[00:00] <laga> yeah, that looks sane (although i'm not sure about that /ltsp/amd64 addition, but it shouldn't cause too much trouble)
[00:00] <aSpastic> it is only the location of the kernel and pxlinux.0
[00:00] <laga> aSpastic: yeah, remove 'qiet' and 'splash' and try rebooting the client..
[00:04] <aSpastic> retrying nbd mount
[00:05] <aSpastic> server closed connection
[00:05] <aSpastic> ./etc/exports?
[00:05] <aSpastic> ./var/lib/mythtv/recordings    *(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
[00:05] <laga> aSpastic: what does it say in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default now?
[00:06] <aSpastic> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img
[00:07] <laga> yeah.. can you add nbdroot=the-address-of-your-server?
[00:07] <laga> the server where inetd lives
[00:08] <aSpastic> just the ip address?
[00:08] <laga> yeah...
[00:09] <laga> you can throw in the port as well ;)
[00:09] <laga> address:port
[00:09] <aSpastic> what is the mbdport?
[00:09] <aSpastic> nbd
[00:10] <laga> 2000
[00:10] <laga> as defined in inetd.conf
[00:13] <aSpastic> still the same
[00:13] <Aquahallic> Evenin' folks
[00:14] <Aquahallic> should a slave backend have mysql-server installed?? or should it have just the client?
[00:14] <laga> evening Aquahallic
[00:14] <aSpastic> EFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nbdroot=192.168.xxx.xxx:2000
[00:14] <laga> aSpastic: i'll need the complete error messages then.
[00:15] <laga> aSpastic: what's in your /etc/exports?
[00:15] <laga> aSpastic: what does exportfs say?
[00:15] <abarbaccia> Aquahallic: just the client
[00:15] <aSpastic> Begin: Retrying nbdmount
[00:15] <Aquahallic> that's what I thought.. it's got samba on it too...
[00:16] <aSpastic> Negotion error: server closed connection
[00:16] <aSpastic> Looping
[00:16] <abarbaccia> Aquahallic: probably not needed either
[00:16] <Aquahallic> but.. that WAS a master and I changed the role...
[00:16] <abarbaccia> ah, from the MMC?
[00:16] <Aquahallic> so it prolly just didn't snatch 'em out
[00:16] <laga> aSpastic: that sounds like it cant connect to the nbdrootd which is handled by inetd.. or /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img does not exist. is inetd runniing?
[00:16] <abarbaccia> did you change the roles from the MMC? file a bug if you did so it can get updated
[00:16] <Aquahallic> saw it on this Hardy upgrade
[00:16] <laga> hey abarbaccia, thanks for those bug reports
[00:17] <aSpastic> diskless/overlay <world>   /var/lib/mythtv/recordings <world>
[00:17] <abarbaccia> laga: trying.
[00:17] <Aquahallic> yeah but on gusty abarbaccia
[00:17] <abarbaccia> laga: i wanna get more involved ya kno. filing bugs is the start but i could probably help with some of the packaging
[00:17] <laga> abarbaccia: that would be great
[00:17] <abarbaccia> laga: I'm switching MonolithMC to using MythBuntu
[00:18] <aSpastic> laga: you get my exportfs above
[00:18] <abarbaccia> laga: should get many more users and more backing to the project - i believe its mature enough now
[00:18] <laga> aSpastic: diskless/overlay/ or /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay/?
[00:18] <laga> abarbaccia: many more users? didn't know mythtv boxen were selling so well ;)
[00:19] <abarbaccia> laga: you'd be surprised. had pretty decent turn out last year - even with all the schedules direct stuff that killed sales for 2 quarters
[00:19] <abarbaccia> laga: its not a primary job, but i'm 22 and its beer money ;-)
[00:19] <aSpastic> laga: /var... bad copy + paste
[00:20] <laga> aSpastic: beer money? let's hope it's not selling too well then or you'll turn into an alcoholic
[00:21] <laga> aSpastic: okay, then i'm stumped.. do you have a firewall?
[00:21] <laga> abarbaccia: i'd have expected that it's a support nightmare
[00:21] <aSpastic> yep...but the 2 machines are behind it
[00:21] <aSpastic> maybe to do with that silly dhcp ting i did
[00:22] <laga> aSpastic: does /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img exist?
[00:23] <aSpastic> yes...but 0 bytes???!!!
[00:23] <aSpastic> -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-03-21 22:00 amd64.img
[00:24] <laga> that might explain a few things..
[00:24] <laga> run sudo ltsp-update-image (or click "commit changes" in MCC)
[00:25] <aSpastic> i think tomorrow i will fresh install, not change the dhcp thing..and hopefulyy apt-getupdate/upgrade, will see you fix that little bug thing i found :p
[00:26] <abarbaccia> laga: eh, not terrible. my build's stabilized over the two years - but everything was still done with compiling from source so no packages, a pain to push upgrades, etc
[00:26] <laga> abarbaccia: ouch
[00:26] <abarbaccia> now, i can tell users "a bug was filed", close the ticket, and move on with it
[00:26] <laga> heh
[00:27] <laga> abarbaccia: i dont think that's gonna change a lot.. the mcc fix probably won't be in apt tomorrow ;)
[00:27] <laga> aSpastic: try ltsp-update-image ;)
[00:27] <abarbaccia> laga: it's a big move - i still have all of mythtv configuration automated through a website which is pretty nice so people don't ever have to touch mythtv-setup
[00:27] <aSpastic> thanks a lot for your help laga....when will you get mcc fixed do you think? so i can have a test at it
[00:27] <laga> abarbaccia: heh.. any plans for selling diskless clients? ;)
[00:27] <abarbaccia> laga: but people are happy if they are part of a community ---- yes.
[00:28] <laga> aSpastic: a few days perhaps.. i don't know when a fixed package will be uploaded.. but you don't really need MCC in the diskless client, eg it's not needed to boot a client
[00:29] <aSpastic> but is it not needed for nvidia drives etc?
[00:29] <laga> abarbaccia: cool.. mythtv configuration through a website? how does that work? does it spit out SQL which is imported into the user's DB?
[00:29] <laga> aSpastic: yeah, it can be useful for that.. but it's not needed to make a client boot ;)
[00:30] <aSpastic> laga: ok :P  thanks anyway...off on hols next week...so maybe when i get back in 7 days
[00:30] <aSpastic> night all, thakns fo rthe help laga
[00:31] <laga> sometimes i wonder if i'm not wasting my time..
[00:31] <laga> anyways
[00:31] <laga> abarbaccia: how did you push updates to people?
[00:36] <abarbaccia> laga: wrote an update script that would download a script from my server nightly and run it
[00:45] <Stemming78> what is the command to check version of mythvideo?
[00:47] <Tuv0k> whats the cmd to install preset ubuntu configs?
[00:47] <Tuv0k> from cli
[01:03] <Stemming78> superml:  I noticed you responded to a thread giving answer to fix w/ editing metadata in MythVideo....  Directed user to update at https://edge.launchpad.net/~rhpot1991/+archive
[01:04] <Stemming78> I am still learning so I am in need of a way to do this...
[01:20] <superm1> Stemming78, you can grab the debs right from there
[01:20] <superm1> or you can add the repository as listed there to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <Stemming78> Basically just add the line deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/rhpot1991/ubuntu hardy main right into the sources.list file.  Then run update?
[01:23] <superm1> not the deb-src
[01:23] <superm1> just the deb line
[01:23] <superm1> and instead of hardy gutsy
[01:24] <Stemming78> Ahh,  thank you...
[01:26] <Stemming78> While I was waiting for a comment to post, I f***ed my remote to the point of it not working any longer...   Long story, how can I reinstall the hardware.conf and lircd.conf after they have been deleted?
[01:26] <Stemming78> Control Center is stalled configuring remote contrl.
[01:27] <superm1> well they get backed up
[01:27] <superm1> when mcc touches them
[01:27] <superm1> they're still in /etc/lirc/
[01:30] <Stemming78> I manually deleted the conf files... checking; no .bak or old files in directory other than lircd.conf.dpkg-old....   Other than that, I have modified files stored as a backup, but they have errors (edited with WinSCP which created the original prob).
[01:32] <superm1> ah
[01:32] <superm1> okay well you can reinstall lirc then
[01:32] <superm1> apt-get remove --purge lirc
[01:32] <superm1> and then apt-get install whatever gets removed
[01:32] <Stemming78> thank you!
[01:36] <Stemming78> Working again, thanks again.
[03:59] <teknojuce> does the gatos package not work with myth?
[04:00] <superm1> i dont think gatos has been updated in a long time..
[04:00] <teknojuce> :/
[04:01] <teknojuce> so theres no way to get it working then?
[04:01] <superm1> well lets put it this way
[04:01] <superm1> the last release was in 2002
[04:02] <superm1> so it hasn't had a new version in ages..
[04:02] <teknojuce> it was in the package list so I was hoping so :(
[04:02] <superm1> well what about it are you looking to do?
[04:02] <superm1> because the tv-input code is in x.org afaik
[04:03] <teknojuce> http://megahurts.dk/rune/tv_output.html so this wouldnt work
[04:05] <superm1> well have you already checked whether those were merged into x.org's git tree?
[04:05] <superm1> it's very possible they did
[04:05] <superm1> but never got updated
[04:05] <teknojuce> i have a ati aiw radeon 32mb the first one and it says the tv in and out are supported by the gatos package so I was hoping i could use those two features with myth
[04:05] <superm1> oh gatos tv-in never worked in myth i thought
[04:05] <superm1> its not a full v4l2 driver that it implements is it?
[04:05] <teknojuce> thats what one of the stop warnings said on the myth site
[04:06] <teknojuce> hoped that it just ment it didnt totally function properly instead of not at all
[04:06] <superm1> no i haven't ever seen any indication that anyone even had it partially working
[04:08] <teknojuce> aye well thanks for the responce anyways
[04:08] <teknojuce> the gatos comment here got my hopes up:
[04:08] <teknojuce> All-in-Wonder Radeon (Radeon)
[04:08] <teknojuce>     Should work fine with 4.1.0 or later drivers. Both XvImage (YUV->RGB overlay and scaling) and TV-in should work fine. There were success reports with NTSC, PAL and SECAM standards. Video capture should work as well. 3d acceleration should work fine.
[04:09] <superm1> well by all means you can try, but i'd not expect much out of it :)
[04:10] <teknojuce> is this what you were asking about x.org: Radeon TV-input code has been merged into X.Org CVS, to appear in release 7.0, this includes support for both original Rage Theatre and Rage Theatre 200 version.
[04:17] <teknojuce> what does myth default use to play dvds
[04:17] <teknojuce> as xine plays it myth crashes
[04:19] <superm1> it defaults to an internal player
[04:19] <teknojuce> okay so it doesnt use xine mplayer or vlc as they all seem to be working maybe I failed to set an option or something
[04:20] <superm1> you can use any of those
[04:20] <superm1> but by default it picks internal
[04:21] <teknojuce> is there a way to see why the internal player is failing
[04:21] <superm1> start it in a terminal
[04:21] <superm1> and see what happens
[04:27] <teknojuce> it seg faults saying that if failed to get recording show list but doesnt do that when started from the applications list
[12:01] <garth> Has anyone had problems with the On Screen Display disappearing with a recent 7.10 update?
[12:09] <laga> garth: let me guess, you upgraded to 0.21?
[12:35] <garth> Yes, I think so. Was that a mistake?
[12:47] <laga> heh
[12:47] <laga> so close to getting an answer..
[13:04] <weiser> I have a problem with my system, sometimes it wants to record a program, witch I have schedulet, on the tuner i'm watching livetv on, even then the other tuner is free, who do I change that?
[13:23] <chrisor1> hey. is there someone who can help me configuring my hauppauge nova-t remote in 8.04?
[13:25] <chrisor1> i've got all i need. hardware.conf, lircd.cond and lircrc. but only a few keys are working.
[13:33] <laga> chrisor1: post in the forums in nobody answers here
[13:39] <chrisor1> @laga: gibts eigentlich nen deutschen myth-irc-channel?
[13:40] <laga> chrisor1: #mythtv-de :)
[14:19] <abarbaccia> morning everyone
[14:19] <laga> morning
[14:20] <abarbaccia> laga: can you explain to me the different repositories briefly? you keep mentioning bzr or something
[14:20] <laga> abarbaccia: we keep our code in bzr repositories at launchpad
[14:20] <laga> https://code.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+branches
[14:23] <abarbaccia> hurmmmm
[14:23] <abarbaccia> so each one of these is a branch?
[14:23] <laga> yeah
[14:24] <abarbaccia> so this is where you do the development for a particular piece of the main dist
[14:25] <abarbaccia> lets say, mythbuntu-control-centre --- this is where the latest in dev for the mythbuntu-control-center
[14:25] <abarbaccia> is
[14:25] <laga> yes
[14:25] <laga> some of these branches contain very incomplete/immature software
[14:25] <abarbaccia> gotcha
[14:25] <laga> and sometimes you have to watch out which branch you use because some of them have very similar names
[14:26] <laga> if you click on a branch, you'll see a "bzr branch [..]" command you can use to get the source
[14:26] <abarbaccia> right
[14:26] <abarbaccia> that was my next questions
[14:26] <laga> and if you're a memeber of the mythbuntu/ubuntu-mythtv team, you can also push new software
[14:26] <abarbaccia> so in each of these branches, is it just one package?
[14:27] <laga> not quite.. there usually is one source package which can produce multiple binary packages
[14:28] <abarbaccia> but one source package only
[14:29] <laga> usually, yes
[14:29] <abarbaccia> so something like mythbuntu-diskless might compile to several packages but its one source
[14:30] <laga> yup
[14:35] <abarbaccia> i want to figure out how the debian packaging system works and how to build them slash update them
[14:38] <laga> abarbaccia: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+branches
[14:38] <laga> these are nsome other branches, partially belonging to the 'mythtv' project in launchpad AFAIK
[14:38] <laga> abarbaccia: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/mythtv-fixes
[14:38] <laga> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/mythplugins-fixes
[14:38] <laga> those should be enough to get you started :)
[14:38] <abarbaccia> btw, who develops the launchpad software?
[14:39] <laga> canonical..
[14:39] <laga> and it's closed source..
[14:40] <abarbaccia> i figured its closed source or else others would be using it - it's phenomineal
[14:41] <laga> unless you try to navgiate it
[14:41]  * laga tends to get lost
[14:41] <abarbaccia> well, its great when you have someone sending you all the links
[14:41] <abarbaccia> haha
[14:41] <laga> ;)
[14:41] <laga> true
[14:41] <laga> it's a bit like sourceforge..
[14:42] <laga> only tightly integrated with ubuntu so it's easier to manage distributions...
[14:42] <laga> and not so slow
[14:42] <abarbaccia> i was going to say sourceforge is great for a project - this is strictly for distributions
[14:42] <abarbaccia> or works best with distributions
[14:42] <laga> you can also use it with 'projects'
[14:42] <laga> although i dont think you get a homepage
[14:43] <laga> or webspace for tarballs
[14:43] <abarbaccia> o gotcha
[14:43] <laga> eg, mythbuntu is registered as a project
[14:43] <abarbaccia> well, either way - for what they're using it for - it fills the space nicely
[14:43] <laga> and not as a distro
[14:43] <laga> yup
[14:43] <laga> a great tool
[14:45] <laga> i'm now running eskil's shoutcast patch. yay.
[14:45] <laga> slightly segfaulty sometimes but it plays music
[14:45] <abarbaccia> nice. i think mythmusic is going to be the most exciting plugin to track over the next few months
[14:45] <abarbaccia> esp after it gets a UI rewrite - possibly some better browsing options, etc
[14:46] <laga> there are many cool things that could be done wrt media management, eg integration of music players
[14:46] <laga> like amarok does
[14:47] <laga> but i can't code so i should shut up ;)
[14:47] <laga> i'm also a bit limited because i only have an old CRT tv, and you are a bit limited at 720x576 ;)
[14:48] <abarbaccia> hahaha agreed
[14:48]  * laga needs to stop doing heavy multitasking in the middle of sentences
[14:49] <abarbaccia> i have an HDTV - an older flatscreen - but it 1. doesn't have hdmi and 2. doesn't play very nice with EDID so getting a good resolution on it takes some effort
[14:52] <abarbaccia> laga: do you use two ir devices? i'm trying to do some testing this afternoon with udev and lirc - they don't play very nice when you have two devices. i'm proposing to drop udev support from lirc for hardy - i just dont think its ready
[14:54] <viciouslime> trying to get mythtv to use XvMC as output, once set to do so, mythtv crashes as soon as I try to watch TV. The frontend log file shows the following: GLVid, Error: Fatal error mythfrontend.real: main/renderbuffer.c:2153: _mesa_reference_renderbuffer: Assertion `oldRb->Magic == 0xaabbccdd' failed.
[14:54] <viciouslime> anyone got any ideas please? :)
[14:59] <laga> viciouslime: file a bug report
[14:59] <abarbaccia> seems like a mythtv bug
[14:59] <laga> hey, no problem
[14:59] <laga> i wonder why people..
[15:00] <laga> yeah, i just wonder 'why people' actually.
[15:00] <laga> abarbaccia: we use apport to catch segfaults.. and then we'll get a backtrace in launchpad
[15:00] <laga> and can submit that to the mythtv developers
[15:01] <viciouslime> damn, ok, thanks :(
[15:02] <laga> viciouslime: aren't you asked ba apport-gtk to file a bug report?
[15:02] <laga> are you using 0.21?
[15:02] <viciouslime> no i'm not asked to file a bug report, it just quits
[15:03] <viciouslime> and yes i am using 0.21 on hardy
[15:04] <viciouslime> i also get: VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'ivtv' not available. codec 'None' makes 'opengl,xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' available, using 'opengl' instead. just before the line above in the log files...
[15:04] <laga> that's odd.. even more interesting is the 'GLVid' part of that error message
[15:04] <laga> viciouslime: your video playback profile is set up incorrectly then.
[15:04] <laga> you told it to use 'ivtv' which is *not* xvmc
[15:05] <laga> it falls back to opengl.. (which is a bad thing to do, so you probably want to file a bug about that beahvior ;))
[15:05] <viciouslime> but i selected xvmc... i also tried via-xvmc as I am using a via epia sp8000 motherboard but that crashes too
[15:06] <viciouslime> oh wait, no that log was from when i tried ivtv... oops
[15:07] <viciouslime> just tried via-xvmc again and got:  VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available. codec 'None' makes 'opengl,xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' available, using 'opengl' instead.
[15:08] <laga> viciouslime: what version of mythtv are you using? dpkg -l mythtv
[15:08] <viciouslime>  mythtv         0.21.0-0ubuntu
[15:09] <viciouslime> laga: thank you so much for trying to help btw :D
[15:10] <laga> viciouslime: what's the number after "ubuntu"?
[15:11] <viciouslime> ...there isn't one
[15:12] <viciouslime> just checked in synaptic, that show ubuntu3
[15:12] <laga> yeah, that's current...
[15:15] <laga> viciouslime: i dont know why xvmc doesn't work, but please a file a bug about the opengl fallback anyways.. and include a refernece to this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4951#comment:3
[15:15] <viciouslime> ok, thanks laga
[15:19] <monteslu> cool, a mythbuntu channel :)
[15:19] <monteslu> looks like it's got some support. I'm about to drop mythdora as it seems that community has stagnated
[15:42] <MythbuntuGuest98> how much processing and memory is used by the diskless server? or is it mostly used on the client? just wondering because my myth server is a little underpowered to start with
[15:43] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: the client does all the work
[15:43] <MythbuntuGuest98> sweet, so it shouldnt bog down the server any at all?
[15:43] <keescook> laga: I recommend "apt-cache policy mythtv" instead of "dpkg -l" since dpkg -l will truncate versions if the terminal isn't wide enough.
[15:43] <laga> no..
[15:43] <laga> keescook: thanks
[15:43] <MythbuntuGuest98> cool thanks
[15:43] <laga> keescook: i usually use dpkg -l mythtv | cat
[15:43] <laga> ;)
[15:44] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: it will probably tax the server a little bit when the client boots, but that shouldn't be an issue unless your server is really underpowered
[15:44] <keescook> laga: yeah, me too.  bdmurray showed me the policy thing, and that's kinda cool too.  :)  /me runs off to breakfast again
[15:45] <monteslu> anyone using an hd-homerun?
[15:45] <monteslu> 160 bucks is a lot, but i might save overall compared to what Im spending for my cable company's dvr
[15:45] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: if you have any problems with -diskless, post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711079&page=6
[15:46] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: even better, read the thread before posting.. with the latest mythbuntu-control-centre upload, it should be mostly painless though
[15:47] <MythbuntuGuest98> ok with the latest mcc just select diskless server and it does the rest?
[15:48] <laga> you'll have to build the image first.. then you need to configure a dhcpd manually or create a USB pen drive for booting
[15:48] <keescook> monteslu: I love my hdhomerun.  totally painless, Just Works.
[15:49] <monteslu> keescook, cool. That's what i was looking for, thanks :)
[15:49] <MythbuntuGuest98> ok so a little more than point and click, i should read up on it i guess, that link is a good start?
[15:50] <laga> keescook: are, you're a mythtv user, too?
[15:51] <keescook> monteslu: the only thing I had to play with was making sure I had reasonable signal strength, but that was only a problem due to how many times I'm splitting my incoming cable.  :)
[15:51] <keescook> monteslu: also note that it's great for _analog_ HD.  I have no idea if/how the "digital cable" stuff works with it.
[15:52] <MythbuntuGuest98> one thing im not sure about, dhcp is assigned by my router, is that acceptable?
[15:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: no, but you'll have to create a bootable pen drive in MCC. that's the easiest thing to do.. in the thread i mentioned above, i described some alternate solutions but they're way more complicated
[15:53] <monteslu> keescook, i think I can get QAM over here
[15:53] <monteslu> but about the same channels as ATSC
[15:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: also make sure that your server always has the same IP address. you can probably set that in your router
[15:54] <keescook> monteslu: okay, cool.  yeah, I'm using it for QAM.
[15:56] <MythbuntuGuest98> are the steps in the wiki good enough to get me started?
[15:57] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: you dont need the manual in the wiki, it's all in MCC now
[16:00] <MythbuntuGuest98> is allow unsigned packages a good idea or bad?
[16:00] <MythbuntuGuest98> under server preperation
[16:00] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:00] <laga> if you want packages from third-party repositories, you should add it
[16:00] <laga> if you never modified sources.list
[16:01] <laga> then you should be fine without it
[16:02] <MythbuntuGuest98> cool thanks
[16:04] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: let me know how it goes
[16:04] <laga> :)
[16:17] <MythbuntuGuest98> ok im working today so im eating and leaving in a few, but the build image script is running
[16:18] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: yeah, it can take a while.. it downloads a lot of data
[16:19] <MythbuntuGuest98> i doubt you guys get thanked enough, but you guys have done a really good job with mythbuntu, and its awsome that you guys are always around willing to help with setting up and stupid questions
[16:20] <laga> heh, thanks :)
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest98> hopefully not too much im only allowed 2g on a seven day rotating period, but ive got about 800 left right now
[16:21] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: hum.. that's gonna be close :/
[16:21] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: i dont know off-hand how much it downloads, but it might as well be over 500M up to 1G
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest98> wow
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest98> well im started now, ill just hope for the best
[16:22] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: maybe you can download our beta alternate disk on a different connection, it has all the needed packages
[16:22] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: heh, good luck then :)
[16:23] <MythbuntuGuest98> really sucks when i go over, they neck me down to dial up or slower
[16:24] <MythbuntuGuest98> i can live with it because its my own fault, but my wife goes balistic when her facebook doesnt load fast enough
[16:24] <laga> hah
[16:24] <laga> 8G per month is not a lot
[16:24] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: if you've got a lot of ubuntu computers, i'd suggest you look into using apt-cacher
[16:25] <laga> (i used it when i was developing the diskless thing and it helped a lot ;))
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest98> no its a satalite connection, im in the middle of alaska, the only way in is by plane, no roads, no power lines, no phone lines, its all satalite and generators
[16:25] <laga> wow
[16:25]  * laga is kind of jealous
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest98> what does it do? share packages?
[16:26] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: it caches packages.. after you downloaded one package once, you'll get it from your local cache the next time a computer requests it
[16:26] <MythbuntuGuest98> its awsome out here, kinda hard on the women, but its a hunting fishing nature lovers dream
[16:27] <MythbuntuGuest98> cool, ill have to take note to look into that, is it pretty easy to set up? im assuming one of the computers would be the cache storage and the others would look there first?
[16:28] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: hard on the women? you're married ;)
[16:28] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: it's very easy to set up.. you just modify the sources.list on the computers after installing it
[16:28] <laga> it's well-documented
[16:29] <MythbuntuGuest98> yeah, and she likes it most of the time, but shes always telling me that were moving, (she grew up surrounded by cities) she's done really well, lasted a year before going to town for shoping, hair, movies, eating out, etc...
[16:30] <MythbuntuGuest98> might be a record for the women that live here, im pretty proud of her
[16:30] <laga> ah
[16:30] <laga> you meant it that way ;)
[16:30] <MythbuntuGuest98> i guess i missed what you though i ment
[16:31] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: i thought you meant there was a shortage of women ;)
[16:32] <MythbuntuGuest98> there is that too, i met my wife on the internet
[16:32] <MythbuntuGuest98> the women in alaska have a saying, "the odds are good, but the goods are odd"
[16:32] <MythbuntuGuest98> means there are plenty of men, but
[16:34] <laga> heh ;)
[16:35] <MythbuntuGuest98> apt-cacher? right? i need to write that down before i forget
[16:35] <laga> yup
[16:35] <laga> if you don't want to have it running all the time, you can run it from inetd. the manual will tell you how to do that
[16:36] <MythbuntuGuest98> well thanks for your help, im off to paint an airplane
[16:36] <MythbuntuGuest98> hopefully ill finish up tonight with bandwith to spare
[16:36] <MythbuntuGuest98> thanks
[16:37] <laga> good luck :)
[17:50] <Cackette> Everything was working perfectly until I updated to .21 via the Update Manager. Once it updated, video playback has been broken. For HD recordings, when tried to playback, the video and audio would start, then the video would freeze 1-2 seconds in. For SD recording playbacks, a rainbow pattern/static would show and audio played. I browsed the forums and tried removing mythdvd and updating mythvideo, but the problems still occu
[17:53] <superm1> check that you have the prop driver installed properly if you need one
[17:53] <superm1> and there are a ton of new settings for changing playback
[18:05] <firekool__> What is a good mixer package that works well that I can adjust the volume on a realtek soundcard.,
[18:44] <weiser_> sdf
[18:50] <laga> firekool__: alsamixer
[18:53] <Tuv0k> pulseaudio mixer
[19:09] <majoridiot> anyone around who knows WTF is wrong with LIRC these days?
[19:09] <laga> um
[19:09] <majoridiot> can't set up a simple MCE remote
[19:10] <laga> i can't be worse than before?
[19:10] <majoridiot> well, the remote worked before.  now only every now and then.
[19:11] <majoridiot> no clue wtf is going on... everything is as it should be with hardware.conf lircd.conf, etc.  no errors starting/restarting lirc but remote is just... dead.  noting via irw.
[19:11] <laga> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc? :)
[19:11] <superm1> majoridiot, hi
[19:11] <superm1> 8.04?
[19:11] <superm1> or 7.10?
[19:11] <majoridiot> hola superm1!
[19:12] <majoridiot> 7.10 upgraded
[19:12] <majoridiot> to new packages
[19:12] <superm1> okay well post your lircd.conf and hardware.conf in a pastebin
[19:12] <majoridiot> i tried waiting until after the update was complete before configing the remote... still no love.  been fighting this for two days now with no clue where to look next.  everything looks good.
[19:13] <majoridiot> sec... lemme move into that box.  it's in another room.
[19:18] <majoridiot> http://paste.uni.cc/18509
[19:18] <majoridiot> http://paste.uni.cc/18510
[19:18] <majoridiot> strange thing is... every now and then it will work- and when it does not, no errors.
[19:18] <majoridiot> have confirmed the remote and receiver are 100% on my main box...
[19:19] <majoridiot> and moved the receiver (same type) from my main box to this build with no love.  never seen anything like this.
[19:20] <majoridiot> superm1: did you get my other email about needing firewire info to help suss that all out?
[19:20] <superm1> bad usb maybe?
[19:20] <superm1> majoridiot, yeah i did but i forgot to reply
[19:20] <superm1> and some three hundred emails came after it :)
[19:20] <majoridiot> no... tried every port and different cables, even.
[19:20] <majoridiot> (i figured)
[19:21] <superm1> well those files both look sane
[19:21] <majoridiot> i know.
[19:21] <superm1> so when it doesnt work no errors though?
[19:21] <superm1> how is that possible..
[19:21] <majoridiot> that's the maddening part
[19:21] <majoridiot> no errors
[19:21] <majoridiot> restart lirc goes just fine.
[19:21] <superm1> you sure the hardware is 100%?
[19:21] <superm1> well no errors restarting lirc, but is lircd running?
[19:21] <superm1> and is the module properly loaded
[19:21] <majoridiot> yes- i even tried the one i use every day on my main box.
[19:21] <superm1> and being used
[19:22] <majoridiot> yes
[19:22] <superm1> well you considered apt-get remove --purge lirc
[19:22] <superm1> and then reinstall it
[19:22] <superm1> choose the remote in the debconf
[19:22] <superm1> and let it go with that
[19:22] <majoridiot> lspci | grep shows lirc_mceusb2, lirc_imon and lirc_dev are loaded
[19:22] <superm1> I doubt it should change anything
[19:22] <superm1> oh!
[19:22] <superm1> you've got an imon huh
[19:22] <superm1> okay well so they are fighting for whom is lirc0 then
[19:23] <majoridiot> dude... i've tried reinstalling this from scratch like 6 times, trying different sequences.  nothing seems to work.
[19:23] <majoridiot> yeah, ideally i'd like both to work... but i'd settle for just mceusb2
[19:23] <superm1> blacklist the lirc_imon then
[19:24] <superm1> either have to do that or explicitly list the order they get loaded somewhere
[19:24] <majoridiot> tried straightening it out with multiple device loads in /etc/init.d/lirc like usual, but still no love.
[19:24] <majoridiot> hm
[19:24] <superm1> well the multiple device stuff is a little more complicated with hardy
[19:24] <majoridiot> wondered about imon.
[19:24] <superm1> i tried to add that into packaging
[19:24] <majoridiot> ok...
[19:25] <majoridiot> i've come up bupkiss trying to find a load order setting.  any pointers?
[19:25] <superm1> well is imon a usb device?
[19:26] <majoridiot> yes
[19:27] <superm1> well it might be autoloaded by udev then
[19:27] <superm1> you can try two things
[19:27] <majoridiot> ah
[19:27] <Cackette> any pros in here? still no resolve on my playback issues
[19:27] <Cackette> described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732020
[19:27] <laga> Cackette: why dont you wait for an answer to your forum posting?
[19:27] <laga> ah ;)
[19:27] <majoridiot> hehe
[19:27] <laga> Cackette: have you tried selecting a different video display profile?
[19:27] <superm1> majoridiot, either add it to the list in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[19:28] <superm1> majoridiot, or explicitly in /etc/modules
[19:28] <Cackette> laga: which one is recommended?
[19:28] <Cackette> everything worked before .21
[19:28] <laga> Cackette: just try them and see what works for you
[19:28] <Cackette> ok
[19:28] <superm1> Cackette, slim is the most like how 0.20.2 was
[19:28] <Cackette> superm1: huh?
[19:28] <superm1> but there are tons of options to tweak
[19:28] <superm1> the slim profile
[19:28] <Cackette> oh, ok
[19:28] <Cackette> thanks, i'll check it
[19:29] <laga> so much for 'even after suggested fixes' ;)
[19:30] <majoridiot> superm1- ok... i blacklisted lirc_irmon and rebooted. i can get irw data now... :D
[19:30] <superm1> majoridiot, see :)
[19:30] <superm1> majoridiot, as for firewire stuff
[19:30] <superm1> need to get those utils on the firewire page to accept port and node as runtime arguments
[19:30] <majoridiot> any recommendations on how to get both modules to play nicely together with lirc?  it's a shame that the volume knob on a $250 htpc case will just sit doing nothing.
[19:31] <superm1> its not detected as a hid device?
[19:31] <laga> majoridiot: antec fusion?
[19:31] <majoridiot> silverstone lc16
[19:31] <majoridiot> similar knob... different params,
[19:31] <laga> ah.. just wondering because the antec fusion has got a IR receiver
[19:32] <superm1> majoridiot, you sure lirc_imon won't read your mceusb2 remote stuff?
[19:32] <majoridiot> this one does too.  remote is for crap, tho.  super-jinky.
[19:32] <laga> majoridiot: maybe you can use the built-in receiver for your MCE remote
[19:32] <majoridiot> hm... never tried getting imon to read the mceusb.  is it rc6 compatible?
[19:32] <laga> dunno
[19:33] <laga> i dont own nifty hardware like that ;)
[19:33] <majoridiot> interesting thought.  will look into that.
[19:33] <majoridiot> me neither laga... building it for a friend.
[19:33] <majoridiot> my htpc case set me back $50... and has no knobs but the owner. ;)
[19:33] <Cackette> laga: none of them work
[19:34] <laga> Cackette: you should append some meaningful snipprts from /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log to your posting then
[19:34] <majoridiot> superm1- is that all that is needed for firewire?  to get both primers to take port and node as an argument?
[19:34] <Cackette> laga: what would some meaningful snippets be
[19:34] <superm1> majoridiot, if you get that part done i can drop them into the mythtv-backend source package
[19:35] <superm1> i've got mythprime already in there
[19:35] <superm1> and firewire_tester already in there
[19:35] <superm1> should be more than 15-30 lines patch to each of them
[19:36] <majoridiot> ok... so both the mythprime c code for the moto 6200 and the mythprime_p2p scripts need port and node added as arguments to pass to them.  that's all?
[19:37] <laga> Cackette: well, try to start playback and then paste what's in the logs
[19:37] <majoridiot> doesn't seem like a big deal.
[19:37] <Cackette> ok
[19:37] <Cackette> i'm pretty sure i have logs of that already
[19:37] <laga> Cackette: in the forums, not in here please :)
[19:37] <Cackette> let me look
[19:37] <Cackette> yeah, i will lol
[19:39] <Cackette> ugh, my log is 25.8MB
[19:39] <Cackette> what part of it should i post
[19:39] <majoridiot> EGADS!
[19:39] <laga> Cackette: anything after you hit "watch tv"?
[19:39] <superm1> majoridiot, why egads?
[19:40] <Cackette> how do i know where it starts watch tv
[19:40] <superm1> 25.8 mb.... i had a 750 mb one when upnp stopped working for me :)
[19:40] <Cackette> shouldnt it be logging everything from startup
[19:40] <superm1> majoridiot, but yeah that's it
[19:40] <laga> Cackette: there are time stamps
[19:40] <Cackette> true
[19:40] <superm1> majoridiot, once you've got that in place let me know, and i'll add them to the source package.  that page of yours will be a lot less daunting then :)
[19:40] <Cackette> but this log is a week old :( i dont remember what time i hit watch tv
[19:41] <laga> Cackette: maybe.. you can do it now?
[19:41] <Cackette> i could
[19:41] <Cackette> whats the command to start a log again
[19:41] <laga> Cackette: sudo rm /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log to delete your old logs, you will have to restart mythfrontend afterwards.
[19:42] <Cackette> ok
[19:42] <Cackette> so it logs by itself?
[19:42] <laga> yes
[19:42] <Cackette> ok
[19:42] <Cackette> brb
[19:42] <Cackette> how long should i let it log after the problem starts
[19:42] <Cackette> before i hit Esc to stop watching a recordin
[19:43] <laga> dunno.. a minute or so
[19:43] <Cackette> ok
[19:43] <Cackette> brb
[19:45] <majoridiot> superm1- there won't be anything to that page, once that is added in.  mainly just troubleshooting stuff.
[19:45] <superm1> :)
[19:46] <majoridiot> superm1- i'll see what i can do about converting them in the next few days.  it's a new area, but i think i can suss it eventually.
[19:47] <majoridiot> it's nice to see so many people on the list in here... much better than the old days when there were less than 10 @ any given time :)
[19:47] <superm1> majoridiot, this project has gotten a lot bigger
[19:47] <superm1> some 140k people have downloaded the iso....
[19:47] <majoridiot> hehe... think so?
[19:47] <laga> superm1: the beta?!
[19:47] <majoridiot> best one going.
[19:47] <superm1> laga, no just in general :)
[19:47] <laga> ah
[19:48] <majoridiot> well, i know that my server doled out 3000+ of the first torrent release. :)
[19:48] <majoridiot> lots of folks dumping mythdora to switch over.
[19:49] <laga> i wonder if mythdora also has these nasty rpm dependency problems.. i'm seeing a lot of postings regarding broken nvidia kernel modules and stuff on mythtv-users
[19:50] <majoridiot> superm1- i'm not using firewire anymore, so i have no clue how it is working @ install... is the firewire bus auto-scanned for port and node or are they user-provided?
[19:51] <superm1> majoridiot, thats done automatically now adays in myth
[19:51] <superm1> the user provided stuff would be in mythprime and such though
[19:51] <superm1> unless you can find a way to scan that too
[19:51] <superm1> rhpot1991_laptop, uses firewire
[19:51] <Cackette> laga: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732020 logs added
[19:51] <superm1> rhpot1991_laptop, meet majoridiot
[19:51] <superm1> majoridiot, meet rhpot1991_laptop
[19:51] <majoridiot> superm1- i don't see why it couldn't be done automatically.
[19:52] <majoridiot> 'lo rhpot
[19:53] <majoridiot> superm1- i'll see if i can't put something together to handle an auto-scan and feed the port and node to the primers.
[19:53] <superm1> okay
[19:53] <superm1> sounds good
[19:54] <majoridiot> will have to be bash or c for now... haven't found time to learn python yet.
[19:54] <superm1> c preferably
[19:54] <majoridiot> agreed.
[19:55] <majoridiot> last question...
[19:56] <majoridiot> i can't find a load order for modules loaded @ boot... any clues?
[19:56] <superm1> like what modules?
[19:56] <majoridiot> (so i can sort out the load order of mceusb before imon)
[19:56] <superm1> oh just explicitly list them
[19:56] <superm1> in /etc/modules
[19:56] <majoridiot> lirc_mceusb lirc_imon
[19:56] <superm1> and hopefully that would handle it
[19:56] <superm1> one line each
[19:56] <majoridiot> ok... i thought that... but-
[19:57] <majoridiot> if you don't stipulate it there, what default load order is used and where is it stored?
[19:57] <majoridiot> (it surprised me lirc_imon and lirc_mceusb2 were being loaded before i even enabled the remote)
[19:58] <superm1> majoridiot, udev figures out what's plugged in
[19:58] <superm1> and there is no static order
[19:58] <majoridiot> or is it just in the order it is detected?
[19:58] <superm1> yup order its detected
[19:58] <majoridiot> ah.  got it.  freekin udev hehe.
[20:00] <majoridiot> ok... i gotta get this build wrapped up so i can get it to him tomorrow.  he's getting antsy to watch some HD movies on his new 50" plasma. LOL
[20:00] <superm1> okay
[20:00] <majoridiot> quite a mythbox... he went quadcore.
[20:00] <superm1> hopefully it works out well
[20:00] <majoridiot> thanks for the help... i'll check in again soon.
[20:00] <superm1> that's overkill
[20:01] <superm1> yup ya
[20:01] <superm1> cya
[20:01] <majoridiot> future-proofing. ;)
[20:01] <majoridiot> laga- nice to see you again!
[20:03] <Cackette> ;/
[20:18] <laga> Cackette: try a different video playback profile which does not use xvmc
[20:41] <Tuv0k> weird
[20:42] <Tuv0k> some recording stream via mythweb
[20:42] <Tuv0k> and some don't
[20:42] <Tuv0k> some are different sizes of the same shot
[20:42] <Tuv0k> show
[20:42] <Tuv0k> I'm trying to put a finger on it
[20:42] <Tuv0k> just trying to get my myth to perform constitently
[21:04] <Cackette> laga: i tried every profile
[21:28] <Tuv0k> where can I find my locale in the format mythweb will like?
[21:28] <Tuv0k> I need to update
[21:31] <MythbuntuGuest72> Hello.
[21:31] <MythbuntuGuest72> I have question, is anyone available to assist?
[21:32] <Tuv0k> !ask
[21:32] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:34] <MythbuntuGuest72> How can I play content on a windows machine from the Mythbuntu machine on the same network?
[21:39] <laga> Cackette: try one that doesn't use xvmc. and show us the logs
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest72> laga, was that aimed at me?
[22:01] <Bojer> hello
[22:01] <Bojer> anyone home? :-)
[22:02] <Tuv0k> !ask
[22:02] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:03] <Tuv0k> :)
[22:09] <Bojer> I just installed a machine as backend, and i am now trying to get another machine to connect to it as a frontend. Both machines are running version 8.04 of mythbuntu and is fully up to date. During the setup i test the connection to the mysql database and it is working fine. The backend is configured to resive remote connection. Then i start the frontend it says the it cant connect to the backend. What have i done wrong?
[22:11] <Tuv0k> I had that problem once
[22:11] <Tuv0k> it could be a number of things
[22:11] <Tuv0k> so your question could be aided by more info
[22:11] <Bojer> i tried nmap and the backend seems to be open for connections
[22:12] <Tuv0k> make sure the frontend is using the correct passwd for the backends database
[22:12] <Tuv0k> then make sure you are connecting to the backends ip address and not the frontends localhost address
[22:12] <Bojer> i checked it more then once and i guess that it i because it test is ok
[22:12] <Tuv0k> then check the mythtv faq
[22:12] <Tuv0k> I would guess the ip address
[22:13] <Bojer> i tried both width the dns name and ip
[22:13] <Tuv0k> its been a while since I ran into that issue
[22:13] <Bojer> and it can ping the backend
[22:13] <Bojer> i tried both width 7.10 and 8.04
[22:13] <Bojer> and i reinstalled several times
[22:14] <Tuv0k> Have you run mythtv-setup on each frontend to set the Master Server IP? First page of the General settings.
[22:14] <Tuv0k> I'm no fan of a reinstall
[22:14] <Tuv0k> if you are doing something wrong, a reinstall won't fix the issue
[22:15] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=611899
[22:15] <Tuv0k> for your reading pleasure
[22:15] <Bojer> the ip is set to 192.168.0.7 and the username and password is the one listed in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[22:16] <Tuv0k> thats a great start
[22:16] <Tuv0k> is there a detailed message the frontend is gving?
[22:16] <Tuv0k> also like in the forum link I posted
[22:16] <Bojer> 2 sec ill get it
[22:17] <Tuv0k> check the myth log
[22:17] <Tuv0k> reconfigure the database
[22:18] <Bojer> where is it located
[22:18] <Bojer> ?
[22:18] <Tuv0k> apt-get install gdebconf
[22:18] <Tuv0k> look for mysql
[22:18] <Tuv0k> then reconfigure
[22:19] <Tuv0k> thats just one way
[22:19] <Tuv0k> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[22:19] <Tuv0k> another
[22:19] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=reconfigure+mythtv+database&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[22:20] <Tuv0k> we need a google bot
[22:20] <Tuv0k> !google
[22:20] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[22:20] <Tuv0k> !mythtv-database
[22:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mythtv-database - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:21] <Tuv0k> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-backports/mythtv-database
[22:22] <Bojer> do i need to do this on the backend or on the frontend?
[22:23] <Tuv0k> you might want to do some more reading on myth
[22:23] <Tuv0k> only the backend has the database
[22:23] <Tuv0k> also read the forum link I posted
[22:23] <tgm4883_laptop> did you run the mysql test in MCC on the frontend?
[22:24] <Tuv0k> he said he did
[22:24] <Tuv0k> checked ok
[22:24] <Tuv0k> I'm betting its his database
[22:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well, actually it appears that he checked it.  But doesn't say if he used MCC on the FE or on the BE
[22:24]  * Tuv0k one to beam up
[22:26] <Bojer> i just tried to test the connection to the backend in MMC and it was successful
[22:26] <Bojer> i we aggre that it isent the database if i can get a mythtv player to connect?
[22:27] <Bojer> can i be because i set a master mysql password?
[22:28] <tgm4883_laptop> when did you do that?
[22:28] <Bojer> going it now :-)
[22:29] <Bojer> it connected
[22:30] <Bojer> ohh did you mean the password or the mythtv player?
[22:31] <tgm4883_laptop> the password
[22:31] <Bojer> during the installation
[22:32] <Bojer> i said that is was a god idear and i have to agree :-)
[22:35] <Alowishus> Have a Feisty MythTV system, about to update to Gutsy and let it pull in 0.21... any pointers?  Have a database backup already... anything special that needs to be done to apt's sources.list other than adding Gutsy repositories?
[22:36] <Tuv0k> why not wait for hardy?
[22:36] <Alowishus> had a free weekend, wanted to get on 0.21
[22:36] <Alowishus> figured Gutsy -> Hardy wouldn't be too bad
[22:37] <Tuv0k> if you have the guts, and feel fiesty, go for hardy
[22:37] <Tuv0k> :-P
[22:38] <Alowishus> ooh hmm... straight from Feisty to Hardy beta huh
[22:39] <tgm4883_laptop> yes if you are feeling gutsy, go for hardy
[22:39] <Alowishus> lol
[22:41] <abarbaccia> just a note - never skip a distro
[22:41] <toorima_> i thought you had to go feisty-gutsy-hardy in that case
[22:41] <abarbaccia> do gutsy -> hardy -> feisty
[22:41] <toorima_> yeah
[22:42] <Alowishus> ok, yeah I figured the distro skipping wasn't as well tested
[22:42] <Alowishus> thought I'd get to Gutsy this weekend, and then Hardy when it's final
[22:42] <abarbaccia> Alowishus: that sounds like a good plan
[22:42] <toorima_> but going from dapper to hardy should work or?
[22:43] <toorima_> i dont have anything dapper but lts to lts should be possible right
[22:43] <abarbaccia> toorima_: no
[22:43] <abarbaccia> toorima_: you never want to skip any distribution
[22:44] <abarbaccia> LTS just means they support it longer and don't kill it off
[22:44] <Alowishus> well a single distro should just be as easy as "sudo do-release-upgrade", eys?
[22:45] <toorima_> oh thought lts to lts was gonna work
[22:45] <toorima_> abarbaccia: thx for the info
[22:46] <abarbaccia> n p
[22:46]  * toorima_ sticks with debian stable for servers
[23:13] <hugolp> Hi, Im getting glitches on the liveTV video and longer locking time on channels since I updated to .21
[23:13] <hugolp> anybody experiencing the same?
[23:13] <hugolp> the turners and the antena are the same