=== Pici` is now known as Pici [01:08] In ubotu, g_m_t_s said: that is fine === nickrud is now known as nikrud [03:14] hi, [03:15] question: is there a plan/interest to certify ubuntu for oracle? [04:30] Daisuke_Ido called the ops in #ubuntu (GeraldBurns) [04:34] People never cease to disappoint... [04:35] buenas [04:35] hello [04:36] i have a querstion [04:36] perenme que quiero hacer algo [04:36] Darksiteevil: we're listening [04:37] nalioth [04:37] i have a big problem [04:37] in ubuntu-es [04:37] this focking bot ban me [04:38] go #ubuntu-es and see this focking bot ban you for anything [04:39] Such as mispelling profanity, for instance? [04:39] [04:39] The op ubuntu are crazy to leave a bot that kick and ban anyone [04:39] Darksiteevil: we don't need the bad language :| [04:40] ok [04:40] ok [04:40] sorry [04:40] Not to mention that this is the wrong channel to raise LoCo questions in. [04:40] ¿? [04:40] #ubuntu-irc is what you want. [04:40] This one is for the primary channels (#ubuntu, #kubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, and such). [04:41] [04:41] Forgiveness is that I have to google as a translator at some things [04:41] tony [04:42] is #ubuntu-es [04:42] Was on that channel that I just banish, was the bot that there [04:43] [04:43] When I set new rules that were only call fmaq and I baneo this bot [04:43] ban me [04:44] Darksiteevil: vaya de #ubuntu-irc, por favor [04:44] ok [04:45] ok [04:45] ya estoy alla [04:45] thx [04:45] i stay in ubuntu-irc [05:02] Wooooot. Finished for the day. [05:03] hello PrinceChild [05:03] :) [05:04] !idle | Darksiteevil [05:04] Darksiteevil: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [05:05] Forgiveness by hail [05:12] good bye i go to my chatroom [05:13] and PrinceChild sorry, forgiveness by hail [05:13] good bye [05:14] All hail PrinceChild!!! [05:15] * mneptok holds his gladius aloft [05:15] * tritium wonders what forgiveness by hail is... [05:16] Perhaps physical punishment, purging one's sins, while being pelted by golf-ball sized hail. [05:16] tritium: i think it's one of those ANGERGOD things [05:16] tritium: ask google (it's what darksiteevil was using to talk to us) [05:16] mneptok, nalioth: :) === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [05:23] Pici: meep [05:25] Fryguy (Bryan Alves) is ban evading. [05:25] mneptok: yeah, wrong channel the first time [05:38] I have a question about creating custom session files for gdm but I seem to be banned from #ubuntu. what's wrong? [05:38] What's wrong with what? Your session file, or ban evading? [05:38] ? [05:38] my session file [05:39] this is not a support channel [05:39] i realize that, I'm asking why I can't get into the support channel [05:40] bryanalves: because you (Fryguy--) were banned previously. [05:40] fryguy--? I have a nickname fryguy that I used to go by. never used -- though. [05:40] is that the problem? [05:41] would it be possible for me to just ask my question in here, since I can't get into the main support channel? [05:41] bryanalves: you obviously have other business in here [05:41] nalioth: no, I really just want to get this session file set up correctly [05:42] bryanalves: you're suggesting you're not this person, who was banned from #ubuntu tonight: [05:42] 23:03 -!- Fryguy-- [n=fryguy@72.93.254.137] [05:42] 23:03 -!- ircname : Bryan Alves [05:42] 23:03 -!- server : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] [05:42] 23:03 -!- : is identified to services [05:42] 23:03 -!- idle : 0 days 0 hours 2 mins 58 secs [signon: Thu Mar 20 22:07:11 2008] [05:42] 23:03 -!- End of WHOIS [05:42] that is a crazy coincidence lol [05:42] isn't it? [05:42] can I just ask my question here, since I can't get into #ubuntu? [05:42] this is not a support channel [05:43] so how am I supposed to get support if I can't get into the support channel? [05:43] you need to talk to tritium [05:43] why him? [05:43] bryanalves: because I banned you [05:44] why did you ban me? I joined the channel and got banned a second later, without saying anything [05:44] bryanalves: for ban evasion. As I said earlier, Fryguy-- (Bryan Alves) was banned earlier for code of conduct issues. [05:45] Now, it's quite a coincidence to have not only used the same nick, but to also have the same name. [05:45] this time I joined #ubuntu was my first time every joining the channel. That's a ridiculous coincidence that this other person has the exact same name as me, but I don't know what to tell you [05:45] I would just like the opportunity to ask this question about my session file I'm trying to create [05:49] Well, I'll ask in here I guess. I installed a window manager that isn't in ubuntu's repositories (called golem), and I need to create a session file for it so that i can load it. I copied one of the existing ones from /usr/share/xsessions and modified it for my needs, but it does not show up in gdm, even after restarting gdm (and in fact the entire xserver). What could be wrong? [05:53] bryanalves: http://ubuntuforums.org/ | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=23788 [05:54] mneptok: thank you for the links. I took the opportunity of browsing the ubuntuforums already, and came across this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=61135 which is what I followed and it didn't seem to work (as I mentioned). As for the golem mailing list, the problem seems to be more with gdm than the window manager itself. I've been looking through the gdm mailing lists and having come across a matching issue yet. [06:02] any other ideas? It seems to be ubuntu related, because I had no problems copying the xsession file on another linux machine (not ubuntu) [06:06] bryanalves: bans often last a day or two. Of course, ban evading can extend that duration. Also, please read the topic, regarding idling. Thanks. [06:07] tritium: so you can not help me with my problem, and you can not provide me access to the support channel so I can ask for help with a wider audience? [06:08] I thought that ubuntu was a friendly community, I just installed it yesterday and that definetely doesn't seem to be the case so far [06:08] bryanalves: it is. [06:10] how am I supposed to believe that it's friendly when I get banned 1 second after joining the main source of live support? [06:11] bryanalves: you've seen the evidence. [06:11] 1) same name [06:11] 2) same nick [06:11] So, it should be easy to understand why you're facing the situation you're in. [06:11] It has no bearing on how friendly the community is. [06:11] yes I have, and I find it awfully hard to believe as well. However, that doesn't really involve me. I would just like access to support so I can ask my question [06:12] i have done nothing wrong, and yet here I am asking for permission to obtain support [06:12] bryanalves: it does involve you, obviously. You are Bryan Alves, yes? [06:12] That is my name, yes. [06:13] I don't know who this other person is though, or why they have (or are using) the same name as me [06:13] Great, then you should understand that the odds of having the same name and nick as somebody just banned this evening are too high to allow you into the channel at this time. [06:13] too low, rather [06:13] Like I said, I joined irc, registered my nick, and tried to join the support channel to ask a question [06:14] bryanalves: Hi Fryguy [06:14] boy, is mneptok not a very friendly admin [06:14] LimCore: you were given ample warning. [06:14] I thought freenode wellcomed open discussion on technical topic. [06:14] LimCore: you were insulting others, violating the code of conduct. [06:14] LimCore: In the proper place, which you were told it was not. And what he said. [06:14] tritium: so what am I supposed to do about my problem, just not use this software? [06:15] tonyyarusso: how come ubuntu+1 is not proper place to discuss possible changes to be placed in next ubuntu version again? [06:15] LimCore: because it is not the proper place [06:16] LimCore: developers don't tend to sit in #ubuntu+1 [06:16] LimCore: #ubuntu+1 is a support, not development channel. and there is a Hardy feature freeze. [06:16] LimCore: a) because that's not what you were really doing, you just used it as a thinly veiled cover, b) because such things would be addressed through the Launchpad blueprints system. [06:16] so what is the proper place to discuss changes to be placed in next ubuntu then [06:16] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ [06:16] and nothing on freenode's irc? [06:16] tritium: if I go and reinstall my system to xubuntu instead of ubuntu, will I be able to get support that way? Or will I get banned from that channel too because of this other person using the same name as me? [06:16] Or, http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/, for the less fleshed out ones. [06:17] I really would like to get support on this topic, as there is some amount of limited timeframe for it (it's related to a project I'm working on) [06:17] Not initially - after some stages of review it becomes more appropriate, but not just thinking out loud, no. (Would get very noisy with everyone's pet wishes, and waste lots of developers' time.) [06:17] bryanalves: the odds of two people with the same info joining within hours of the other NOT being the same person are astronomical [06:17] bryanalves: as was mentioned, most bans disappear within 24 hours [06:17] mneptok: now this makes so much more sense then kick. if ubuntu+1 is support only too, then ok [06:18] who would evade a ban to ask for help in #ubuntu? [06:18] that's just dumb. [06:18] nalioth: I need to be presenting about this project in the next 15 hours, I can't afford to wait because of some other bonehead [06:19] earlmred: can we help you with something? [06:19] nalioth: yes, how do I become an operator in #ubuntu? [06:20] you are asked to be one [06:20] oh, okay [06:21] so are you asking me now? or should I wait a few minutes? [06:21] nalioth: please, I really need assistance with this matter [06:21] cereal | nose > kybd [06:21] ow ow ow [06:22] bryanalves: there are many gnome support channels here [06:22] nalioth: as I mentioned, based on my experience with another operating system, I'm led to believe that it is ubuntu related and not gnome/gdm related [06:22] mneptok: did you have cereal in your nose? [06:22] should I file a bug? [06:23] earlmred: not before you spoke [06:23] mneptok: you can lift the ban now, especially as I need to ask some questions about the blueprints [06:24] LimCore: we're all going to stop discussing this now. [06:24] right? [06:24] LimCore: you don't tell an op when he/she lifts a ban. [06:24] we will move with this, to a blueprint if its a better place [06:26] so can no one assist me? I'm really under some time pressure to figure this out [06:27] bryanalves: nalioth suggested a gnome channel [06:27] tritium: like I mentioned, I have good reason to believe that it is an ubuntu issue, not a gnome issue, based on my experimentation. Should I file a bug [06:28] this is not a support channel [06:28] nalioth: I realize that, I'm asking to be allowed into the live support channel to ask my question [06:28] bryanalves: and we've responded [06:29] why am i getting punished because of the actions of someone else? [06:29] bryanalves: we've responded to your questions. is there anything else we can help you with? [06:30] this other guy must have done some really bad things in order to cause other people to get banned from support :( [06:30] bryanalves: is there anything else? [06:31] nalioth: nah, if I can't get the support I need that's it. Time to go polish off the resume I guess [06:31] thanks for not allowing me into the channel because of the actions of someone else. It's really appreciated. I hope whatever he did was really disruptive :( [06:32] tritium: erm, the ip's are different? [06:32] Hobbsee: yes [06:32] Hobbsee: everything else matches [06:33] nalioth: ie, real name only [06:33] Hobbsee: and nicks [06:34] He admits to going by fryguy in the past [06:34] oh, right [06:34] And neither IP resolved. [06:34] ah right [06:35] * tritium things he was a good actor, though [06:36] Fryguy was very helpful, but condescending and rude. [06:37] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:37] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:38] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:41] Hobbsee: don't you think it's simply too improbably? [06:41] improbable* [06:41] * Hobbsee shrugs [06:42] /msg tritium he's either got the worst luck ever, or is the most boldface liar. [06:43] i'm still wrapping my brain around it [06:43] Me too. [06:57] Good night. [07:39] Hello. I would like to speak to any op in here. On your ubuntu-ops log so that it is recorded for everyone to see. [07:41] * Hobbsee hears echoes [07:42] hello tuxteddy, how may we help you today? [07:42] Will any op please step forward. [07:42] emma: what do you want? [07:42] Myrtti - You are deciding not to speak to me? [07:42] tuxteddy, how can we help you [07:43] Yes .. [07:43] Okay let this Ubuntu ops log show that the ops in here are choosing to not speak to me. [07:44] ompaul are you able to see me? [07:44] emma: you haven't actually brought up anything concretely useful in here yet. Last few times you were in here, you brought up useless rubbish that took up extensive periods of time. are you altogether surprised? [07:44] yes [07:45] ompaul -- I have an issue that I want clarified. [07:45] you can always ask [07:45] I'm having a headache and can't really work out difficult things so I'll just step aside from this one [07:45] tuxteddy: yes? [07:45] emma, we dont read minds [07:45] Ompaul - Is it fair to say that the reason this channel is logged is so that things are done in the open and the behavior of the ops is as much accountable as the behavior of the users? [07:45] tuxteddy are you here as an observer? [07:46] i've seen a clock script, I may not be able to see it..can you tell me how do I set up .. [07:46] tuxteddy: you probably want #ubuntu [07:46] tuxteddy help is on #ubuntu+1 [07:46] something like ubuntu/member/nickname [07:46] nickrud, glad you are here. I know that you would agree with the above statement. [07:46] cloak... aha [07:46] tuxteddy erm, #ubuntu I've been in the wrong channel for me today [07:47] nickrud - It is fair to say that the reason this channel is logged is so that the behavior of the ops is held accountable as much as the behavior of the users. [07:47] emma, it is logged so that logs may be reviewed in the case of a dispute, your phrasing is to put it politely confrontational [07:47] Very well. I don't need it to be confrontational. [07:47] emma, then dont be. [07:47] emma you've heard my view of things. If you have a grievance you need to use the channels provided. [07:47] But my point is that at some level it is important that what the ops do to users is done in the open. [07:47] Alright now here is my concern: [07:48] finally [07:48] ... [07:48] I have a channel that is not an official Ubuntu channel. I do not prevent members of the Ubuntu ops from joining it and participating in it. But now I discover that members of the Ubuntu ops team are recording my channel, and then submiting a report on me. [07:49] tuxteddy: to have ubuntu/member/nickname cloak you need to become a Ubuntu member. However you can get an unaffiliated/nickname -cloak too [07:49] emma, and where is this report you talk of? [07:49] Where is this report? Who is doing that logging? And why can't I see this out in the open as is the policy of the Ubuntu Council? [07:49] tuxteddy: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks [07:49] ompaul -- That is exactly my question. [07:50] emma, you find us proof of this report, and we'll try find it for you, but until then, we have no clue what you're on about [07:50] ompaul -- Look at this -- logged from my channel by an ubuntu op, and then reported on me --- http://rafb.net/p/vY7Pm394.html [07:50] Myrtti, I'm currently an ubuntu Methor in somekind..in local community. [07:50] elkbuntu -- It is right there. Click on it. [07:50] Myrtti, will that help me mask my IP? [07:50] emma: what evidence do you have of it being reported by an ubuntu op? [07:50] emma, that's not a report [07:51] elkbuntu: looks like that could be by anyone. [07:51] tuxteddy: yes. the cloak isn't done by a script, it's a network issue [07:51] Hobbsee, exactly [07:51] emma, it's probably one of the people in the passage [07:51] emma, someone in that channel did that [07:52] it could even be you - you have no way to link that to someone here - only opinion [07:52] emma, we're not going to manage your channel for you. [07:52] Myrtti, I found it difficult to set things up..Can you point the easy way? [07:52] emma, now that we have cleared that up why the pm I have not opened it yet I don't want to put you on ignore [07:52] Myrtti, I'm sorry to be an idiot here [07:52] but either you are in the open or not [07:53] tuxteddy: I'm sorry to have an headache :-/ [07:53] emma, in the history of my time on irc on freenode I have put two people on ignore [07:53] ompaul -- I told you this -- -One of the ops in this channel is lying right now. I don't know what to do. I don't want to get them in trouble. [07:53] tuxteddy: np, #freenode will help you set un an unaffiliated cloak :) [07:53] emma: why do you believe that to be the case? where is your evidence? [07:53] !register | tuxteddy [07:53] tuxteddy: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. [07:53] I could just paste the pm where they TOLD me that it was a report. [07:54] That would really contrast with them telling me that I have no proof. [07:54] emma: but, who's to say that the report was given to them by another op? [07:54] emma, you have only some opinion, not fact or proof [07:54] I do not want the Ubuntu ops to continue to log my channel. Any one of you is welcome to be there. Join it, enjoy it, participate, idle. Whatever. I won't stop you. [07:55] Please do not log the channel and if you are going to report on me, do it in the open. Thank you. [07:55] I'm really confused, someone has pastebined a _short_ extract from your own channel. A) Is that some sort of problem? B) How can you suggest that is an op? [07:55] Myrtti, Daviey thanks for the help [07:55] tuxteddy: np [07:55] tuxteddy: o/ [07:55] emma, you might want to make sure that you let everyone know they cant log their own conversations [07:55] Daviey - Because an Ubuntu op who is in this channel right now, GAVE me that link and TOLD me that it was the report. [07:55] you know, as a rule of the channel [07:56] emma, that doesnt mean it was that op who put it there [07:56] I do not accuse that op of putting it there and I would like it to be noticed and appreciated at some level that I am not naming this op. [07:56] ompaul, Well, I have registered at #freenode [07:56] I am doing that absolutely on purpose. [07:56] emma, you already did accuse that op [07:56] I did not. [07:56] tuxteddy, so then you move down that page until you find nicksetup [07:57] I have a channel that is not an official Ubuntu channel. I do not prevent members of the Ubuntu ops from joining it and participating in it. But now I discover that members of the Ubuntu ops team are recording my channel, and then submiting a report on me. [07:57] tuxteddy, it is not a ubuntu channel [07:57] !member | tuxteddy [07:57] tuxteddy: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [07:57] tuxteddy, and there I am afraid we will have to leave it [07:57] tuxteddy, is there anything else? [07:57] elkbuntu, I did not identify the op who GAVE me the link and TOLD me and this is a quote: " it was reported. the report had an accompanying log." [07:58] emma, you assume the person who gave you that link is an op [07:58] emma: and you failed to enquire WHERE it was reported? [07:58] No. I know they are. They are in this channel right now. [07:58] * Hobbsee did get a report. [07:58] s/gave you/gave the op/ [07:58] ompaul, you need more coffee [07:59] * Hobbsee got a log reported to her, and then queried emma about it, as emma is not doing what she says she would. [07:59] ahh [07:59] I see [07:59] however, that in no way says who the reporter was. [07:59] well it is 8am [07:59] this is getting Officially Too Difficult And Complicated For A Small Finn With A Big Headache To Understand [07:59] nor even implies that it is an op who sent it. [07:59] --> [07:59] if emma wishes to imply that, she wishes to do it completely without proof. [08:00] in which case, it's effectively lies and propaganda. [08:00] emma, do you see the dots that fail to join up [08:00] cos I do [08:00] I'm not implying anything. Until 20 seconds ago everyone in here was telling me I had no proof that there was any report. [08:00] emma, we cant control what other people report to us [08:00] ompaul you started your day here before 8 on a saturday? [08:00] we cant control who reports stuff to us [08:00] emma: you still have not provided proof. [08:00] elkbuntu - So if it is not an op that is 'reporting' it to you then how can you trust that it is accurate or fair? [08:00] now if you can ink in the parts between those dots great if you can't go away [08:00] emma, because other than hobbsee, we didnt know of any report [08:00] emma: i have made the allegation that it was i who received the report, but i may be talking rubbish. [08:01] I have not made any claim other than that I am being 'reported on' and it is not being done in the open. [08:01] emma, as much as we can trust that what you're saying now is accurate and fair [08:01] emma, you said there was a report to ops [08:01] well it appears it went to one [08:01] emma: I'm yet to see a problem, that you have raised. [08:01] so you need to be specific [08:01] oy. [08:01] elkbuntu - Okay not at all then. Good, then why are you concerning yourself with reports you cannot trust? And then holding me accountable for them? [08:01] reallllllllllllllly specific [08:01] nickrud, yes [08:02] ompaul well, it can only get better [08:02] Myrtti, get a cuppa, nice herbal tea [08:02] nickrud, I am going out to breakfast if I get an sms and may go even if I don't ;-) [08:02] I'm going to ask that every single op actually reads this log from the moment I came in here until this moment. Because I think that every sane, reasonable, and intellectually honest person can see that this stinks. [08:02] ops! [08:02] !ops [08:02] emma, same reason that security personnel follow up every hint of a breakin [08:02] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud! [08:02] emma called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [08:02] emma, we can see that [08:02] emma: What's your emergency? [08:02] emma, that is inappropriate use of that factoid [08:03] bang. [08:03] bot abuse == bad. [08:03] * tonyyarusso was about to do the same [08:03] any excuse :) [08:03] tuxteddy, is there anything else, if not please see the topic, part about idlers [08:03] ompaul, thanks for rejuvenated interest, I'm a mentor too.. [08:03] Daviey, yes [08:03] Daviey: no. i just don't appreciate useless highlights. [08:03] agreed [08:03] Especially not when they rouse me from getting close to sleeping. [08:04] jheheh [08:04] either way, she still has absolutely no proof that whoever was actually doing the logging, and passed it to an op, was actually an op, or any of us. [08:04] hehehe [08:04] Daviey, you missed nothing [08:04] ie, lies and propaganda. [08:04] or just paranoia [08:05] hey, we shouldnt slag her [08:05] ubotu lies [08:05] Mostly just statistics, but yeah. [08:05] hehehe [08:05] brb, dinner [08:05] elkbuntu: that was a summary of what just happened, for those who will read, after being triggered by the highlight. apart from that, yes, you're very right. [08:06] Daviey, never say any excuse that is excuse number 71 [08:06] :) [08:11] oh shoot, I've used all my dishes :-< [08:11] oh dear. go wash up. [08:11] or get a dishwasher [08:12] either way, the sound of the dishes clincking each other is making my world explode [08:12] blergh. [08:30] Myrtti, thanks again [08:30] see you all later [08:31] * jussio1 reads the backlog and sighs... [08:31] jussi01, don't bother [08:32] don't waste a good sigh [08:32] hehe [08:32] too late [08:59] i just wish she'd understand how lenient we've been on her [09:01] smart, but not very wise. I've talked with her in pm's, and they are enjoyable until it comes to any disagreement. Others should flex, not her. [09:02] so she has issues [09:02] we all do [09:02] hmm, steve_jobs in #ubuntu looks very trollish, someone may want to keep an eye in there [09:02] very true. [09:02] I've already welcomed him ;) [09:02] :) [09:03] hehe, I just looked in and saw: [10:57:30] All of you should switch to Windows. [09:09] fun [09:48] Jucato: all yours. sigh [10:02] there's a guy in #ubuntu who would like ubotu in -bg , anyone can do that? [10:06] jussi01: all's well [10:06] you might get an apology :) [10:07] nickrud, he needs to ask in a more appropriate place, like -irc [10:07] elkbuntu ok, I will point him there [10:08] there are so many of these, irc , ops-monitor, etc. nearly fractal [10:09] dtRz I was told to tell you #ubuntu-irc [10:09] oh yeah [10:09] sry [10:09] heh. My fault [10:09] nickrud, not really fractal, they all have their purpose [10:09] hahaha [10:09] ;) [10:09] elkbuntu so do fractals [10:09] n [10:09] np [10:09] otherwise this becomes an invariable sloshpit, especially when we have marathons with trolls [10:10] to the outside observer, chaotic but with a pattern to those with eyes ;) [10:10] (fyi, chickbot is not a bot) [10:11] Hobbsee, i'd figured that by her non-bot behaviour [10:11] his [10:11] nickrud maybe now i have 2 wait? [10:11] dtRz wait in #ubuntu-irc , not here [10:11] /part ? [10:11] yes [10:11] Hobbsee, is she aware how her nick makes us wary though? [10:12] elkbuntu: nobblynu is proclaimed male. at least, emma's calling him a male. then again, emma has called both of us males numerous times, so... [10:12] elkbuntu: i doubt it. [10:13]