[01:07] <QuaxEros> hello, X-ubuntu newbie signing on
[01:09] <QuaxEros> I'm a windows admin and i'm looking for my tools under linux....somebody knows some good reading on equivalent tools?
[01:09] <c-ron> what tools?
[01:10] <QuaxEros> remote users on shares, open files..
[01:10] <QuaxEros> aah, what do i use to see my syslog?
[01:13] <QuaxEros> what file do i change if "they" tell me to enable the toshiba-option in the acpi section of my kernel
[01:14] <c-ron> .config
[01:14] <c-ron> have you compiled a kernel before?
[01:15] <QuaxEros> no
[01:15] <QuaxEros> i read before i do, did some reading, did not try yet
[01:16] <c-ron> yeah check out the master kernel thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158&highlight=master+kernel
[01:16] <QuaxEros> thnx, will start there
[01:16] <gerro> um wait
[01:16] <QuaxEros> ok
[01:16] <gerro> there is probably a kernel parameter you pass during boot in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:17] <c-ron> yeah
[01:17] <gerro> ubuntu enables most stuff by default
[01:17] <gerro> don't know much about toshiba model lappy though
[01:18] <gerro> QuaxEros: good luck :)
[01:18] <QuaxEros> yeah, but i read this wasnt default enabled in this distro, so i should change a header (no compiling)
[01:18] <gerro> when was that dated and which version you using?
[01:18] <QuaxEros> xubuntu 7.10
[01:19] <gerro> ah same here
[01:19] <gerro> 6.06 usually has lot of stuff disabled for stability reasons
[01:19] <gerro> so some guides might be off
[01:20] <QuaxEros> it seemes to be right because the toshiba acpi tools gives me the same warning on load
[01:21] <QuaxEros> so where is the .config located? and where do i find the headerfiles that might need changing What is their extension)
[01:22] <c-ron> QuaxEros, before messing with the kernel, try in the console: modprobe toshiba_acpi
[01:24] <QuaxEros> the answer: FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
[01:24] <gerro> yeah that might work
[01:24] <gerro> umm guess not
[01:25] <QuaxEros> the module won't load: make sure you have the toshiba option enabled in the acpi section of your kernel
[01:25] <gerro> QuaxEros: says here you can use apm instead of acpi but newer models only support acpi, want to try that?
[01:25] <QuaxEros> Is also what i read. just dont know which file to edit
[01:26] <gerro> well I'm kinda lost :/
[01:26] <QuaxEros> Need acpi for power control, i'm on solar power but wan't to run my box 24/24
[01:28] <c-ron> you'll have to recompile, which isn't a big deal
[01:30] <c-ron> just make sure you do it in the day, when it's sunny for a few hours ;)
[01:36] <c-ron> QuaxEros, if you're interested in accessing windows shares, you're probably looking for smbclient
[01:39] <QuaxEros> i got smbd running, i just want to look at the connected users and the files they have open in that share.
[01:39] <c-ron> smbstatus should do that for you
[01:40] <QuaxEros> trying staight away ;-)
[01:43] <QuaxEros> nice, i'll find the options. Problem when switching from windows is that i did not find a simple list with commands that do the jobs i did under windows...anyone knows from such a list?
[01:45] <QuaxEros> working from a terminal i did also when windows-admin. but how to find all the available terminal applications
[01:47] <c-ron> probably don't need to concern yourself with *all* of them
[01:47] <c-ron> there's tools for just about everything...
[01:47] <ere4si> if you type in a terminal   $PATH     that will show the files the terminal looks in for executables
[01:48] <QuaxEros> ok, might be a solution
[01:48] <KojiroAK> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/03/05/ubuntu-linux-shell-commands-quick-reference/
[01:48] <KojiroAK> Maybe that's what you search
[01:49] <QuaxEros> i'm not looking for shell-commands but utilities
[01:50] <QuaxEros> i'll go look anyway, all understanding is welcome
[01:51] <c-ron> what kinds of things are you looking to do?
[01:51] <ere4si> QuaxEros: to find out the options for each executable in a terminal type   man "command name" for a manual
[01:51] <c-ron> ...that you were doing in windows?
[01:54] <QuaxEros> on larger networks remote users get blocked because of filelocks or broken connections, i like to have a monitor on those network connections. not on the traffic but on the status and in use files. smbstatus gives this info but is not an updated monitor
[01:56] <QuaxEros> i also want to see my syslog but i don't know how to get it in my terminal..what is the logviewer called
[01:57] <QuaxEros> there is no syslog manpage on my system
[01:58] <c-ron> syslogd
[02:00] <QuaxEros> whit what option to show the syslog?
[02:01] <c-ron> cat /var/log/syslog
[02:01] <c-ron> cat /var/log/syslog | less
[02:02] <QuaxEros> what does the command cat mean (i'll read the shell-commands guide ;-))
[02:03] <KojiroAK> man cat
[02:04] <KojiroAK> | means what cat gives out will be handeld by less
[02:04] <c-ron> cat just prints output to your display
[02:05] <c-ron> | is a pipe, which sends the info to less, a screen pager
[02:05] <QuaxEros> and | pipes it to less?
[02:05] <c-ron> yup
[02:05] <QuaxEros> ok
[02:07] <c-ron> alternatively, you might try tail -n X /var/log/syslog    -tail shows you the last X amount of lines from the file
[02:07] <QuaxEros> will less update automaticaly?
[02:08] <c-ron> no
[02:08] <QuaxEros> i'll try out tail
[02:08] <QuaxEros> so then control-C to quit and reenter command?
[02:09] <QuaxEros> q does the job
[02:09] <c-ron> ya
[02:15] <KojiroAK> tail can update automticly with tail -f /var/log/syslog
[02:16] <c-ron> you might also try xwatch
[02:17] <c-ron> apt-get install xwatch && xwatch /var/log/syslog
[02:20] <c-ron> anyone know how i can remove the ugly ubuntu orange-ish brown-ish background that displays between gdm and xfce loading?
[02:21] <c-ron> nm i got it
[02:22] <c-ron> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080114171050AAf3Tco
[02:22] <c-ron> /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default
[02:22] <c-ron> BACKCOLOR=
[02:22] <c-ron> :-)
[02:24] <c-ron> brb
[02:25] <c-ron> worked like a charm
[02:31] <LokianGOP_> Well I've been trying to connect to the VNC server from windows for like 2 days now, any suggestions?
[02:48] <j1mc> heya maxamillion
[02:48] <maxamillion> hiya j1mc
[02:49] <j1mc> how's things?
[02:50] <maxamillion> j1mc: alright, been busy as all get out lately ... finally have some down time today
[02:50] <j1mc> maxamillion: do you still have your encrypted debian laptop?
[02:51] <maxamillion> j1mc: i never encrypted the laptop, but i did a couple desktops
[02:51] <maxamillion> i don't like the idea of an encrypted laptop because the overhead of the on the fly encrypt and decrypt kills battery life
[02:51] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[02:51] <j1mc> interesting
[02:52] <j1mc> i hadn't really considered the battery life aspect
[02:52] <maxamillion> j1mc: i actually also generally do ext2 on laptops ... also adds battery life because of the lack of journaling
[02:52] <j1mc> is it just the cpu cycles that eats it up?
[02:52] <maxamillion> j1mc: yeah, just the cpu cycles
[02:53] <j1mc> have you done much with powertop?
[02:53] <j1mc> to help with battery life?
[02:54] <maxamillion> no not really, i generally try to buy mobile hardware that's well supported and i actually didn't even buy the laptop i have right now ... it was given to me from work ... all intel, all well supported ... i get more battery from linux than i did with winXP (which only lived on there the first day i got the machine)
[02:56] <j1mc> well, powertop was created by intel
[02:57] <maxamillion> no, i know
[02:57] <j1mc> ah, cool
[02:57] <maxamillion> but i just don't really see what else i could get for battery performance unless i spun down the hdd more than it already does and then turn the backlight down more ... but i already do that quite a bit
[02:58] <j1mc> cool
[02:58] <maxamillion> :)
[02:59] <j1mc> well, it does stuff with noatime and some usb stuff to limit cpu usage.  it's nothing super advanced, people have known about noatime for a long time, but it gets it all in one package.  i like it.  :)
[02:59] <maxamillion> but yeah, not only does ext2 write to the hard drive less, its also faster than ext3 (because it doesn't journal) but since you have a battery in a laptop its pretty rare that you will lose power to the machine ... and therefore you probably won't ever use the journaling features
[02:59] <j1mc> anyway... no biggie.  i was just thinking of encrypting my laptop.
[03:00] <j1mc> hey, check out what cody did on the xubuntu wiki:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:00] <maxamillion> ah, ok ... i know a guy who does it purely for security and i can understand that aspect completely ... i just never liked the idea of killing my battery life
[03:01]  * maxamillion waits for his horribly slow internet to catch up
[03:01] <maxamillion> j1mc: oooo, i like that
[03:01] <maxamillion> *very* nice
[03:01] <j1mc> :)
[03:01] <maxamillion> i like that it gives it that little bit of customization without over doing it
[03:01] <j1mc> yeah
[03:01] <j1mc> me too.
[03:02] <j1mc> those kind of menus are all the rage with the wiki kids
[03:02] <maxamillion> really??
[03:02]  * maxamillion needs to get with the times
[03:02] <j1mc> hehe... well, a lot of the LoCos have them.  yeah, it's kind of new.
[03:04]  * maxamillion will be back in like 10 minutes
[03:04] <j1mc> ok
[03:22]  * maxamillion is "back" but running to the kitchen to get food real quick
[03:26] <maxamillion> annnd back
[03:27] <Twisted64> Good afternoon - I just installed xubuntu, and don't have sound. Nibbles crashes when it tries to play a sound. Where should I start?
[03:27] <maxamillion> Twisted64: make sure alsa is running
[03:28] <maxamillion> Twisted64: hit alt+f2 and then enter the command xfce4-mixer
[03:29] <Twisted64> maxamillion: That brings up volume control, bars look ok
[03:29] <maxamillion> hmmm....
[03:30] <Twisted64> There's just alsa-utils running, that restarts without a problem
[03:30] <maxamillion> Twisted64: do an 'lsmod | grep snd' in the terminal (without the quotes) and see if that returns anything
[03:32] <Twisted64> maxamillion: I get quite a bit from that - snd_hda_intel, snd_pcm_oss, about 20 more
[03:33] <maxamillion> Twisted64: ok good, then the modules are loaded and the system sees your sound card (or atleast thinks it does)
[03:34] <Twisted64> cool
[03:34] <maxamillion> oh ew ... i forgot this box had a via mobo
[03:34] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... back on topic
[03:34] <Twisted64> maxamillion: Should there be a sound icon in the top right?
[03:34] <maxamillion> Twisted64: top right of what?
[03:35] <j1mc> probably the panel
[03:35] <Twisted64> of the screen - yeah
[03:35] <maxamillion> ah
[03:35] <maxamillion> i changed mine around
[03:35] <maxamillion> hmmm...
[03:35] <maxamillion> j1mc: any thoughts on the sound issue?
[03:35] <maxamillion> the modules are there, alsa seems fine, and xfce4-mixer seems to have the levels up
[03:36] <j1mc> Twisted64: left-click on the speaker icon
[03:36] <j1mc> it should bring up a window that has all sort of level options
[03:36] <Twisted64> j1mc: ah, there isn't one
[03:36] <maxamillion> Twisted64: in xfce4-mixer, go to file->options and make sure the settings are for the right device
[03:37] <Twisted64> there are two options - default and hda NVidia
[03:38] <maxamillion> Twisted64: hmmm.... which one was it on?
[03:38] <Twisted64> I've tried both, still crashes when nibbles tries to play a sound
[03:38] <Twisted64> The first time I looked, it was on default
[03:38] <maxamillion> hmm...
[03:38] <Twisted64> Is there an easier way to play a sound?
[03:38] <maxamillion> Twisted64: sure, with xfmedia or some other media player
[03:39]  * maxamillion has no idea what nibbles is
[03:39] <Twisted64> maxamillion: the worm game :)
[03:39] <j1mc> Twisted64: can it play other souns?
[03:39] <maxamillion> ah
[03:39]  * maxamillion doesn't do much games
[03:39] <Twisted64> j1mc: haven't heard any yet
[03:40] <j1mc> Twisted64: what version of xubuntu are you using?
[03:41] <Twisted64> j1mc: 7.10
[03:41] <maxamillion> unfortunately a horrible release because ubuntu-base was borked
[03:41] <maxamillion> >.>
[03:42] <Twisted64> darn
[03:42] <Twisted64> Is there one coming out next month, or was that my imagination?
[03:42] <maxamillion> Twisted64: yes, next month
[03:43] <j1mc> Twisted64: go up into your panel, and right-click and select to add an applet
[03:43] <j1mc> then add the volume control
[03:43] <Twisted64> j1mc: done
[03:44] <j1mc> is there a speaker icon next to the volume control, or no?
[03:45] <j1mc> (i'm being so technical)  :)
[03:45] <Twisted64> It's a bit hard to see (using a TV), but it looks like a volume bar with perhaps a tall speaker on its left
[03:45] <j1mc> ok.  cool
[03:45] <Twisted64> speaker looks like a wiimote
[03:45] <j1mc> left-click on the speaker, and it should bring up a window
[03:46] <j1mc> the "wiimote" the volume control  :)
[03:46] <Twisted64> yep
[03:47] <j1mc> ok... can you adjust some of the volume controls?
[03:47] <j1mc> turn them up?  :)
[03:47] <j1mc> and... is your laptop's own volume turned on?  :)
[03:48] <maxamillion> doesn't the panel volume control just launch xfce4-mixer?
[03:48] <Twisted64> it is the same - alright, I'll turn them all up
[03:48] <Twisted64> going to tryan audio cd instead
[03:48] <j1mc> what ones are shown?
[03:48] <Twisted64> pcm line cd mix capture
[03:49] <Twisted64> pcm line cd ~mic capture
[03:49] <j1mc> ok... select file > options, and make sure that master is checked
[03:49] <maxamillion> master and pcm should be checked
[03:50] <Twisted64> mmm, master is not an option
[03:50] <Twisted64> for either of the devices
[03:50] <maxamillion> o.Ol
[03:50] <maxamillion> wha?
[03:50] <maxamillion> that's not good
[03:50] <Twisted64> :-(
[03:50] <maxamillion> there should be a check box under the selection of either "default" or "nvidia-whatever"
[03:50] <j1mc> is there an option at the bottom that says "show switches"?
[03:51] <Twisted64> yes yes
[03:51] <Twisted64> all checked
[03:51] <j1mc> ok... hmmm...
[03:51] <Twisted64> the checkboxes start with pcm
[03:52] <j1mc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound
[03:52] <j1mc> mebbe try there?
[03:53] <j1mc> sorry i can't be of more help... i'm not sure what to tell you.
[03:53] <Twisted64> fair enough
[03:53]  * maxamillion is unfortunately also all out of ideas
[03:54] <j1mc> the sound troubleshooting page looks pretty good.  :)
[03:54] <maxamillion> sound is one of those massive pains in the hind parts for the *nix world
[03:54] <maxamillion> almost up there with wireless networking
[03:54] <Twisted64> ah crap, that's next on my list
[03:55] <maxamillion> Twisted64: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[03:55] <Twisted64> otherwise I have to route through my eeepc forever :)
[03:55]  * maxamillion has a little more experience in the wifi world
[03:55] <maxamillion> well ... atleast more than i do with sound
[03:56] <Twisted64> had to whip it out to take a look
[03:56] <Twisted64> er, Linksys WMP54G
[03:56] <maxamillion> k, just a sec
[03:57] <j1mc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[03:57] <j1mc>   :)  it has helped me a lot
[03:58] <Twisted64> no probs - hopefully the hardest part should be installing it
[03:59] <Twisted64> some kind of htpc
[04:01] <Twisted64> I meant, installing it physically
[04:01] <Twisted64> silly language
[04:01] <maxamillion> :P
[04:05] <Twisted64> playing a cd works, but I don't know... sound is dodgy
[04:06] <maxamillion> :(
[04:07] <maxamillion> Twisted64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs <--- central wifi goodness, if you can't find what you are looking for there, you probably won't find it anywhere else
[04:13] <Twisted64> thanks guys
[05:02] <ere4si> if I right click xchat I get a menu - I can change the colours in that menu with changes in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 - but synaptic shows I have no themes installed so what theme engine am I using?
[09:25] <simu> any tips to make my xubuntu a little faster? anyone know a howto to change the window manager?
[09:48] <TheSheep> simu: you can try using flubuntu instead
[09:56] <simu> TheSheep: ty
[12:51] <twointo1> trying to boot live-cd 8.04 beta on a via chipset motherboard.  Have used "noapci" ect, but no matter options used I get a squashfs error.  anyone help?
[13:00] <siggjen> did you check the livecd?
[13:08] <elve> Hello :D
[13:09] <elve> need info about compiz + emerald in dd 0804 xubuntu
[13:09] <elve> searching in G was not succesfull
[13:12] <elve> compiz + emerald both versions 0.7.2, also installed fusion-icon
[13:13] <elve> compiz running well through aiglx on nvidia
[13:13] <elve> but without window decorator
[13:13] <elve> nor emerald nor gtk-window-decorator
[13:15] <elve> after entering a command in term "emerald --replace" window decorator is not replaced, nor the command is not executed
[13:16] <elve> do you think might be a bug?
[13:16] <elve> metacity running ok, also xfwm4 ok
[13:17] <elve> compiz without window borders
[13:18] <siggjen> compiz --replace
[13:25] <elve> tried, same result
[13:25] <theunixgeek> What does the little round button in the upper right corner of windows do?
[13:27] <theunixgeek> upper left, excuse me
[13:27] <theunixgeek> What does the little round button in the upper left corner of a window do?
[13:27] <theunixgeek> to the right of the app's icon?
[13:32] <siggjen> sticky i guess
[13:33] <theunixgeek> siggjen: sticky/ :P
[13:33] <theunixgeek> *?
[13:36] <siggjen> a sticky window is on every desktop
[13:37] <theunixgeek> thanks
[13:38] <ere4si> you can right click that
[13:38] <martyn> Hello chaps and ladies. I am having real trouble getting my wireless network card to behave and get an IP address from my router. Could it be the rt2500usb driver? It can find all the Wireless networks in the area - but cannot connect (either with or without security).
[14:12] <elve> look in router settings if you have MAC filtering enabled
[14:40] <elve> hi guys
[14:41] <elve> i solved the problem with compiz  emerald in hh 0804
[14:41] <elve> running in nvidia > must install pckg xserver-xgl
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> Evening/Morning People!
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> Houston, we a slight problem
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> Whenever I try to view any flash movie it renders slowly. Lags and stuff
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> any ideas?
[15:03] <monteslu> if I install the 8.04 beta, can it be easily upgraded to the released version when it comes out?
[15:07] <nikolam> it will upgrade itself, right but 8.04 is still considered unstable
[15:08] <nikolam> if you want cutting edge, that`s it.
[15:09] <monteslu> upgrade itself? you mean if i do an apt-get upgrade after 8.04 is released it will catch up?
[15:17] <nikolam> Well it IS 8.04 :)
[15:18] <monteslu> oh, right
[15:21] <twointo1> siggjen: had to take care of somethng, sorry.  It runs fine on another system.
[16:54] <twointo1> trying to boot live-cd 8.04 beta on a via motherboard.  Have used "noapci" ect, but no matter options used I get a squashfs error.  Works on another system.  Any other options I can try?
[17:15] <rockprincess> hello all! I've got a question regarding the size of swap partitions. I'm currently having an OLD laptop, and was told to put xubuntu on it. unfortunately it has only 256 mb RAM and only a 80gb hard drive. how much would I have to calculate for the swap partition? will xubuntu work on my laptop despite the little amount of RAM?
[17:16] <siggjen> it should work ok, try 512 MB of swap partition
[17:17] <TrioTorus> just checking here, but I was expecting to see a 'add this launcher to panel' option in xfce when right clicking on an item in the Applications menu. Is this functionality available somewhere?
[17:17] <rockprincess> siggjen: thank you very very much for your quick reply! how much do you think will xubuntu use of disk space once it's installed?
[17:18] <siggjen> rockprincess: this vmware install is about 2.2 GB used disk
[17:19] <siggjen> TrioTorus: you should try to add launcher on panel instead
[17:19] <TrioTorus> However much I like Xfce, I'm feeling that adding a simple launcher is a bit cumbersome. It implies you know exactly what command needs to be executed.
[17:20] <siggjen> it should be searchable trough apt-cache or synaptics i guess
[17:20] <TrioTorus> siggjen: indeed I found that. But how can I know what the default icon is for say gnome-terminal?
[17:20] <siggjen> but yes, if you don't like xfce4 there are other possibilities
[17:25] <TrioTorus> newbies wouldn't know how to get the proper command for a new launcher either, right?
[17:25] <TooSad> hi
[17:25] <TrioTorus> Not complaining at all here. Just wondering if there's other people with that opinion.
[17:25] <TooSad> what is the file with the links of program in menu of xfce 7.10?
[17:25] <siggjen> i guess xubuntu is no newbie distro anyway
[17:25] <TooSad> my openoffice in menu opens the generic core
[17:26] <TooSad> ando not speific program
[17:26] <TrioTorus> siggjen: well, in a lot of ways I find xubunte less intimidating than ubuntu. I would love to promote it a bit more actually.
[17:27] <siggjen> TrioTorus: well i went from gnome/kde to fluxbox, now i like xfce4
[17:28] <TrioTorus> If I wanted to put down a proposal like the right button functionality I just mentioned, where do I go?
[17:28] <TrioTorus> file a bug against xubuntu or rather got to xfce?
[17:29] <TooSad> who can help me?
[17:31] <TrioTorus> TooSad: that happens if you choose OpenOffice Word Processor in the xubuntu applications menu?
[17:32] <TooSad> it opens the core
[17:32] <TooSad> the generic
[17:32] <TooSad> end no the writer
[17:32] <TooSad> or other
[17:32] <TooSad> it misses the correct link
[17:33] <TooSad> but if i write /usr/bin/oowriter in terminal it goes
[17:33] <TrioTorus> has it always been like that?
[17:34] <TooSad> i have just installed oo
[17:34] <TrioTorus> from the repositories?
[17:34] <TooSad> yes
[17:35] <TooSad> so i try the file where there are all the link of programs in menu
[17:35] <TooSad> and i edit it
[17:36] <TooSad> with the correct link
[17:36] <TrioTorus> what file did you edit?
[17:36] <TooSad> nothig
[17:37] <TooSad> i don't know the file
[17:37] <TooSad> i ask you
[17:37] <TooSad> do you know the name of thisfile?
[17:38] <TooSad> or i ask you if there is a dir with a link of file in menu
[17:38] <TooSad> i don't know
[17:39] <TrioTorus> You can have a look at the /usr/share/applications/ooo-* files
[17:40] <TrioTorus> in the ooo-writer.desktop file the Exec line should say ooffice -writer %U, but that will probably be the case.
[17:41] <TrioTorus> are u on Gutsy?
[17:41] <TooSad> yes
[17:42] <TooSad> Exec=ooffice -writer %U
[17:43] <TooSad> i must inser the link?
[17:44] <TooSad> Exec=ooffice -/usr/bin/oowriter %U
[17:44] <TooSad> ?
[17:44] <TooSad> so?
[17:44] <TooSad> or
[17:44] <TooSad> i don't know
[17:45] <TrioTorus> if you execute 'ooffice -writer' in a terminal, does it launch the writer?
[17:46] <TooSad> yes
[17:46] <TooSad> and %U
[17:46] <TooSad> ?
[17:46] <TooSad> i must delete it
[17:47] <TooSad> ?
[17:47] <TrioTorus> don't use %U in the terminal.
[17:47] <TooSad> no no
[17:48] <TooSad> but if in Exec i write Exec=/usr/bin/oowriter
[17:48] <TooSad> it's the same?
[17:49] <TooSad> or i make error?
[17:50] <TrioTorus> could work. Try it.
[17:51] <TooSad> nothing
[17:51] <TooSad> the same problem
[17:53] <TooSad> i don't know the problem
[18:02] <axel> hello
[18:02] <axel> how i can get away the menu of the right mouse button ?
[18:04] <axel> and how can i get away every icon from the desktop, i want only the panel
[18:07] <Stroganoff> axel: killall xfdesktop
[18:09] <axel> Stroganoff, ahhh, ok ... there i lose this ... but where xfdesktop is started ?
[18:10] <Stroganoff> somewhere in a certain session file
[18:10] <Stroganoff> most likely the xfce session of xdm
[18:10] <Stroganoff> dunno exactly, i dont use xubuntu
[18:11] <axel> ahh ... ok ... but now i know what im looking for
[18:11] <axel> thanks :)
[18:12] <Stroganoff> btw you can disable the right click menu of the desktop somewhere in the xfce control panel
[18:17] <axel> there i didnt find it, and the xfdesktop isnt ussable for children ;)
[18:17] <axel> ciao
[18:25] <uplink3> anybody home?
[18:29] <Smitty> hey anyone around?
[18:29] <Smitty> new to linux and having issues with a dual boot win xp pro xubuntu 7.10
[18:29] <Smitty> keep getting a grub error 21
[18:30] <Smitty> i reformatted machine thinking it was a windows error
[18:31] <Smitty> and still install goes thru fine and no GUI present
[18:31] <Smitty> no grub error tho
[18:37] <Stroganoff> Smitty: #grub or #ubuntu
[18:37] <Stroganoff> uplink3: yes
[18:38] <Stroganoff> Smitty: and google "grub error 21" and fiddle around. reinstall grub with livecd. change boot priority in bios. change /boot/menu.lst
[18:38] <Smitty> oh ok
[18:38] <Smitty> thanks
[19:15] <nikolam> hello
[19:16] <nikolam> I use Amd motherboard and xubuntu gutsy 64-bit
[19:16] <nikolam> Motherboard uses SB600 chipset and I found info about some bug in it , related to USB disks beahvior
[19:17] <maxamillion> AMD doesn't make motherboards
[19:17] <nikolam> Yes, amd 690g chipset, Biostar board
[19:17] <maxamillion> ah ok
[19:17] <nikolam> anyway, pach is here: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb-devel/2007/12/11/489824
[19:18] <nikolam> How do I apply it or do i need it now?
[19:18] <nikolam> source of info: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8204
[19:20] <maxamillion> nikolam: that patch should be included in the next release which will be out in a month, so you can either patch it yourself or just upgrade to the current beta
[19:21] <nikolam> thanks for the info. Question is what should be propper instructions to patch it now with using current stable kernel. in 7.10
[19:23] <maxamillion> nikolam: you would just need to download the source to the patch, built it, and then install it ... it should then just work for you, but you might have to manually load it into the current runtime at first
[19:24] <nikolam> I have linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2 in /usr/bin/src
[19:24] <maxamillion> nikolam: you need the source for the patch
[19:24] <maxamillion> nikolam: i think what you have is just for the kernel
[19:24] <nikolam> ok, got it. its on http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb-devel/2007/12/11/489824
[19:25] <maxamillion> ah, good good
[19:25] <nikolam> and now after unpacking kernel, i need to apply it
[19:25] <TheSheep> I think the debian-like systems have their own kernel-building ways
[19:26] <TheSheep> but I never tried it myself
[19:26] <nikolam> I will consult debian-reference
[19:27] <nikolam> Goal is to make kernel the same like current default and including just this patch. I am wondering if that would break all fixes included in now using ubuntu kernel
[19:28] <nikolam> i suppose that just using hardy kernel won`t give me any good.
[19:29] <sudobash> if you are who you say you are... a superstar... then have no fear... the camera's here.
[19:32] <zoredache> nikolam: make-kpkg is what you are looking for
[19:32] <nikolam> :) I just found it on file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-customkernel after installing debian-reference
[19:33] <nikolam> only thing is left is how to patch the source
[19:33] <nikolam> without *.dsc file like regular package
[19:36] <zoredache> just use the patch command?
[19:36] <nikolam> :)
[19:37] <zoredache> I believe there are also facilites in make-kpkg to automagically apply patches
[19:38] <nikolam> Will I get the same kernel as i am using now? Including all ubuntu customizations or i need to get separate settings file for ubuntu kernel?
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> when I boot the xubuntu 7.10 CD the toolbars won't load
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> should I install anyway?
[20:38] <nikolam> what toolbars?
[20:38] <alex_mayorga> the top and bottom one
[20:41] <nikolam> i use alternat cd for install, anyway. You could do ctrl+alt+backspace and restart X
[20:43] <j1mc> alex_mayorga: sometimes the live-cd session has trouble with the toolbars, but you should be ok to install anyway
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks on the tips
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> but I guess my PC is way too old
[20:45] <alex_mayorga> only 128 Mb Pentium II 450 :(
[20:56] <alex_mayorga> the GUI install takes forever to run
[20:57] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to fall back to the command line and install from there?
[20:57] <j1mc> alex_mayorga: hmm... which version are you trying to install?
[20:58] <j1mc> 128mb is going to be pretty slow when you get it installed, too.  :(
[20:59] <alex_mayorga> 7.10
[21:00] <cody-somerville> You require 192mb of ram to gun the desktop live installer
[21:00] <alex_mayorga> I guess I-m condemmned to run win95 on this then
[21:01] <c-ron> use the alternate install cd
[21:01] <alex_mayorga> !dsl
[21:01] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> any other options aside from damnsmalllinux
[21:05] <c-ron> Once installed, Xubuntu only requires 64MB of RAM to run.
[21:08] <alex_mayorga> so I guess I need alternate then? there's no way to fallback to a text installer from the normal live cd
[21:08] <j1mc> alex_mayorga: let me search for something
[21:09] <alex_mayorga> j1mc: thanks
[21:09] <j1mc> there's an "onlyubiquity" option that you can do when you first put the cdrom in.  it will only give you the live installer, not the live session
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> j1mc: is there a guide?
[21:12] <alex_mayorga> !onlyubiquity
[21:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about onlyubiquity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:12] <j1mc> looking
[21:12] <j1mc> !only-ubiquity
[21:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about only-ubiquity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <j1mc> alex_mayorga: ok... when the boot menu comes up, and you can select to run the live session, check the cdrom, etc... hover over the option that says to start the live session, but add "only-ubiquity" (w/o the quotes) after the word 'casper'
[21:14] <alex_mayorga> let me give that a try, thanks
[21:14] <j1mc> so it will say "boot=casper only-ubiquity...."
[21:14] <j1mc> you can leave the rest of the line unchanged
[21:32] <alex_mayorga> j1mc: thank you, seem to be loading, but is painfully slow
[21:33] <alex_mayorga> anyhow I guess no one cares to run on a Pentium II these days
[21:34] <cody-somerville> I'd install with the alternative CD
[21:37] <alex_mayorga> yeah! it's downloading as we speak
[21:37] <alex_mayorga> the torrent would take about 4 hours tough
[21:37] <alex_mayorga> in the mean time any other recommendations on light weight linuxes?
[21:39] <cody-somerville> Damn small linux
[21:39] <cody-somerville> 50mb cd
[21:40] <cody-somerville> DSL is fast enough to run on a 486DX with 16MB of Ram
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> cody-somerville: does it have something like apt?
[21:44] <cody-somerville> yup
[21:44] <cody-somerville> http://damnsmalllinux.org/
[21:45] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: it has apt, damn small linux is built on top of a debian based system just as xubuntu is
[21:53] <alex_mayorga> maxamillion: looks like I'll have to look into it
[21:53] <alex_mayorga> the only-ubiquity option helped, but looks like the video is not being detected properly
[21:53] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: i will warn you, its not as "new user friendly"
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> maxamillion: DSL?
[22:01] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: yeah
[22:01] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: its less user friendly than xubuntu
[22:01] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: but still a very good distro once you learn you way around it
[22:01] <maxamillion> alex_mayorga: you would be surprised what you can do with such little hardware
[22:02] <RandyLNX> How do i change from grub to lilo?
[22:22] <miturburu> hi all
[22:23] <miturburu> I've installed a base xfce4 on a gutsy base install. I'm trying to change the language setting to es but I don't have any gui for it. Which is the command to do so, or the app that I have to install?
[22:25] <miturburu> I've found this so far http://grok.lsu.edu/Article.aspx?articleId=5733&printable=y
[22:25] <miturburu> but looks like I don't have that plugin on my settings manager
[22:33] <miturburu> anyone?
[22:35] <j1mc> hi miturburu
[22:35] <miturburu> hi
[22:35] <j1mc> let me see about this :)
[22:35] <miturburu> j1mc: thank you
[22:35] <miturburu> :)
[22:36] <j1mc> ok, miturburu.  go to applications > system > language support
[22:37] <maxamillion> j1mc: he said he doesn't have a gui
[22:37] <miturburu> j1mc: I'm on xfce not gnome
[22:37] <miturburu> j1mc. sorry
[22:37] <maxamillion> miturburu: that is xfce
[22:37] <miturburu> misread
[22:37] <miturburu> I don't have that enty "language support"
[22:37] <j1mc> hm, ok.  one minute
[22:38] <j1mc> miturburu: do you have item towards the end of the list that says, "system"?
[22:38] <j1mc> under the main "applications" menu?
[22:38] <miturburu> yep
[22:39] <j1mc> what's included there?
[22:39] <miturburu> well, the usual stuff, mice, desktop, wm settings, printer settings, etc
[22:39] <miturburu> but not language :S, may be something got broken
[22:40] <miturburu> oh, crap, I have to go. I'll live the session opened so I can read if you have a pointer at me. Thanks anyway
[22:41] <j1mc> miturburu: i think you're looking in the "settings" menu
[22:41] <j1mc> settings is different from "system"
[22:41] <miturburu> j1mc. true:. There is no system entry,
[22:41] <miturburu> sorry again
[22:41] <j1mc> ok... you will need to install the gnome-system-tools package
[22:41]  * miturburu is getting higer his noobish count
[22:41] <j1mc> sudo apt-get install gnome-system-tools
[22:42] <miturburu> ack
[22:42] <j1mc> :)
[22:42] <miturburu> will do that when I'll get back
[22:42] <miturburu> thanks again
[22:42] <miturburu> see you all
[22:42] <j1mc> ok.  good luck!  there should be a language settings app in there.  :)
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> &join #bcm-users
[23:07] <miturburu> hi
[23:08] <miturburu> I was here a while ago complaining about that i can't change the language settings on a base xfce4 on a base gutsy instalation
[23:08] <miturburu> I've been told to install gnome-system-settings and I used the gnome-language selector to set es_AR but everything is in english still
[23:09] <miturburu> and I still don't havea "system" entry on the xfce menu
[23:34] <cody-somerville> miturburu, please file a bugf
[23:35] <miturburu> cody-somerville: hi, I've worked around it. There was a couple of dependencies that wans't been pulled out properly
[23:35] <miturburu> gksu for instance
[23:35] <miturburu> now I've managed to get it working
[23:35] <miturburu> thanks you all
[23:39] <Knightlust> hehe
[23:48] <cody-somerville> hmm...
[23:48] <cody-somerville> weird.
[23:52] <RandyLNX> Anyone here having any knowledge about logmein.com? And why both firefox and opera is showing the controlled host in a crappy javascript?