[00:00] <Raspberry> I'm going to see if booting to an earlier kernel fixes my wireless issues
[00:00] <thompa> nikrud: ive tried on a 2 laptops and this box no usb devices, but in last alpha they were there
[00:00] <bardyr> why is bcm43 in the kernel? or not blacklisted from start?
[00:00] <jimqode> Raspberry, b43 driver loads and works. It has range issues.
[00:00] <teamcobra> bardyr: because it's much better than using ndiswrapper
[00:00] <nikrud> thompa what kind of errors do you see in   tail -f /var/log/syslog  when you plug in a device?
[00:00] <teamcobra> most of the time ;)
[00:01] <jimqode> bardyr, if it works that is :)
[00:01] <bardyr> teamcobra, yea but b43 & co should have replaced it
[00:01] <teamcobra> ohhhh, sorry, I read bcm43 as b43
[00:02] <bardyr> jimqode, but when does it work? all my bcm cards needed ndiswrapper to work properly but with ndiswrapper they also worked great
[00:02] <teamcobra> was jumping between 2 boxes and fired one off ;p
[00:02]  * nikrud has his access points all are within 20 feet of where he sits. Planning :)
[00:02] <jimqode> bardyr, which card do you have? I'm now having trouble with ndis and b4312 rev 2
[00:02] <thompa> nikrud:  NetworkManager: <debug> [1206230512.199264] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_Sony_WALKMAN_491D44613110')
[00:02] <Raspberry> nikrud: it's just odd it skipps over eth0
[00:02] <thompa> nikrud: there is the sony
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, bcm4314 i think
[00:03] <nikrud> thompa that sounds right. But you can't read it with the file manager? how about from the console?
[00:03] <dandel> fglrx now works, and compiz is also runnin without any extra work.
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, i cant remember its and old laptop
[00:03] <jimqode> bardyr, did you get the win driver for it from the support web site of your laptop?
[00:03] <teamcobra> dandel: beautiful, what was it?
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, yea
[00:03] <nikrud> dandel nice, huh? And it's even barely acceptably quick ;)
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, grabbed it from acers hp
[00:03] <jimqode> pfff. why doesn't mine work ;(
[00:03] <drbobb> Raspberry: ok i know, i did try using bcm43xx but it didn't support my chip too well
[00:04] <dandel> removed all the fglrx modules and did a reinstall from the ati tree.
[00:04] <teamcobra> yeah, when using fglrx, remember..... turn off compiz when playing games/using opengl screensavers
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, tried the latest ndiswrapper version?
[00:04] <thompa> nikrud: i need to go back and remove it from fstab, to troubleshoot, thanks jsut a sec
[00:04] <teamcobra> it doesn't play 100% nice with other gl apps yet ;p
[00:04] <jimqode> bardyr, i'm on hardy. is there a better one?
[00:04] <thompa> nikrud: i had a temp fix but its pain
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, yea
[00:04] <Raspberry> nikrud: looks like it could be this issue... bug #180544
[00:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[00:04] <teamcobra> w/ nvidia however, it does ;p amd will probably fix these things now that they're competing w/ intel in the igp arena
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, for some reasons ubuntu only updates ndiswrapper on a really need to basis
[00:04] <nikrud> thompa yes. I've only found one issue, which I could work around.
[00:04] <jimqode> bardyr, is there a ppa for that?
[00:05] <nikrud> Raspberry sounds plausible. I don't know how to check it myself
[00:05] <bardyr> jimqode, no but compiling is painless and it seems like it never breaks with kernel updates
[00:05] <bardyr> jimqode, not that i know of
[00:05] <jimqode> bardyr, hmm i'll try it right away then
[00:05] <drbobb> Raspberry: as in, works for a few minutes then craps out (bcm43xx i mean)
[00:06] <Raspberry> drbobb: strange
[00:06] <thompa> nikrud: no i cant access it
[00:06] <thompa> nikrud: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[00:06] <jimqode> bardyr, ndiswrapper -v says 1.52 . That's also what the ndis website says. are you sure there is a newer version?
[00:07] <Raspberry> nikrud: it looks like my issue is that the dist-upgrade isn't smart enough to install the kernel modules
[00:07] <thompa> nikrud: unless i add it but its not practical, its all my boxes
[00:07] <dandel> hmm... now to fix the package manager to now try and force feed the fglrx modules from the ubuntu repo on me lol.
[00:07] <bardyr> jimqode, O_o, they updated ndiswrapper
[00:07] <nikrud> Raspberry install linux-generic , that will ensure you get restricted modules on a kernel upgrade (goes off to do it himself)
[00:07] <bardyr> jimqode, why wont it load?
[00:07] <Raspberry> nikrud: yeah that's what I'm doing right now :)
[00:08] <thompa> nikrud: -11 in alpha worked
[00:08] <jimqode> bardyr, i have no idea. it seems to load well but iwconfig does not show anything and my led does not light up
[00:08] <jimqode> bardyr, i'm now downloading a different driver to try
[00:08] <drbobb> Raspberry: indeed. starts dumping error messages to dmesg, then connectivity is lost.
[00:08] <bardyr> jimqode, sudo ndiswrapper -l
[00:08] <thompa> nikrud: I still dont understand why x64 automounts
[00:08] <Raspberry> nikrud: it looks like it installed "generic" modules, but not "386"
[00:08] <nikrud> thompa I've been using hardy barely 24 hours, I'm not up on all the bugs yet
[00:08] <nikrud> Raspberry ah. Why have 386?
[00:09] <thompa> nikrud: an upgrade from alpha seems to maybe work, but a claen beta and upgrade kills my usb
[00:09] <nikrud> that's why I'm here, getting ready for next month
[00:09] <Raspberry> nikrud: according to this bug apparently some of the firmware and things were included with one but not the other
[00:10] <Raspberry> nikrud: and the -generic package doesn't include all the 386
[00:10] <thompa> nikrud: im going to try a fresh x64 , thanks for the command tip
[00:10] <jimqode> bardyr, http://pastebin.com/f57c47fe9
[00:10] <thompa> it could be 64 is behind too
[00:10] <nikrud> Raspberry you mean all the modules?
[00:10] <bardyr> jimqode, blacklist bcm43xx and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[00:11] <nikrud> s/modules/same modules/
[00:11] <bardyr> jimqode, then it should work
[00:11] <jessica> how can i find out what sound drivers im using via terminal
[00:11] <jimqode> bardyr, i remember trying it, but i'll try it once more
[00:11] <Raspberry> at least the ipw2200 wireless module .. that bug I sent... #180544 seems to highlight that there's an issue that modules are pointing in the wrong locations
[00:11] <nikrud> jessica  lsmod | grep snd
[00:11] <jessica> thanks
[00:11] <Raspberry> jessica: I found out something that might help your issue since I dist-upgraded another workstation here
[00:11] <jimqode> bardyr, bcm43xx already blacklisted by default
[00:12] <Raspberry> jessica: make sure you have the 386 and generic modules installed... apparently there are some problems with modules not pointing to the right locations
[00:12] <bardyr> jimqode, then modprobing should make it work
[00:12] <jimqode> bardyr, it doesn't
[00:12] <bardyr> jimqode, dmesg?
[00:13] <jessica> my wireless is working gr8 now but thanks i dont know what i did to make it work because ive tryed loads of things and i have put loads of diffrent packages on
[00:13] <jimqode> bardyr, [  597.790240] ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no)
[00:14] <jimqode> bardyr, [  921.915095] usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper
[00:14] <Raspberry> hmm
[00:17] <teamcobra> hrm, I think I found part of my problem.... even though it's blacklisted, somehow ndiswrapper keeps loading at startup :p
[00:17] <teamcobra> wow :p :p :p
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: that did it...
[00:17] <nikrud> Raspberry what?
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: there's some problem with the module paths being hosed up in the .24 kernels
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: read this bug... #128116
[00:17] <nikrud> !bug 128116
[00:17] <Raspberry> bug #128116
[00:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128116 in network-manager "[ipw2200] NM doesn't connect to one particular network" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128116
[00:18] <Raspberry> nikrud: the bug topic isn't exact, but the problem is the same
[00:18] <slavik> I think there is a bad bug relating to wine ...
[00:18] <Raspberry> nikrud: this might give a  more concise explaination... Bug #180544
[00:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[00:19] <slavik> it is very easy for wine to cause a key to be "stuck"
[00:20] <arcticpenguin380> if i have to reinstall hardy should i mount my /home when i upgrade to it from gutsy?
[00:20] <ethana2> we have a mac and XP user over here at our hous
[00:21] <ethana2> anybody got a startup time comparion between hardy and tiger ppc?
[00:21] <slavik> ethana2: did they kill each other yet? :P
[00:21] <slavik> no
[00:21] <ethana2> slavik: it's the same dude
[00:21] <slavik> oh
[00:21] <ethana2> basically he's a linux hater
[00:21] <Flannel> ethana2: If you're doing anything official, you should wait for Hardy to go final (and the development stuff to be taken out)
[00:21] <nikrud> Raspberry are you going to mention what you did? tickling the bug might get some action
[00:21] <slavik> ethana2: as for start up times, when I turn on my computer, it is ready to be used after I grab a snack or a drink or some other
[00:21] <ethana2> ah
[00:21] <jessica> my sound is being really odd
[00:22] <jessica> i just realised
[00:22] <jessica> its making sound its just not making much
[00:22] <teamcobra> jessica: double-click on your volume control, and turn the PCM up ;)
[00:22] <jimqode> jessica, pcm on mixer is kind of turned down by default. i had the same thing on dell m1330
[00:22] <jessica> it is
[00:22] <jessica> its on full
[00:22] <nikrud> ethana2 or, if you have things working well, be proactive in understanding what upgrades actually do
[00:22] <teamcobra> hrmmm
[00:22] <jessica> my what mixer
[00:23] <jimqode> double click the speaker icon
[00:23] <jack|ass> I just installed Hardy on my laptop and I've noticed that the fans seem to keep running full speed unless I have the machine complely idle with the lid closed.  Is there something I can tweak with regards to thermal zones?
[00:23] <ethana2> nikrud: on alpha?  break stuff
[00:24]  * nikrud changes screen brightness with laptop keys, just cuz he can
[00:24] <ethana2> nikrud: but it's beta now, so they changed the way they do that right?
[00:24] <ethana2> heh, yes.
[00:24] <jessica> thanks my sounds working now
[00:24] <jessica> i feel so dumb asking that when it was so simple
[00:24] <nikrud> ethana2 as a user you should treat it the same, don't do production stuff on it, or be absolutely sure about what you're installing. Be prepared to fix/workaround
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i am no lowly user
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i am a ninja
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i survived libc6
[00:25] <nikrud> ethana2 I ran unstable + experimental as my production box for years. Still applies ;)
[00:25] <ethana2> yup
[00:25] <daved> having a problem with 2.6.24-12-generic  .. locks up after saying Please wait, Loading..     2.6.24-12-386 works fine, but im trying to switch to generic since it has the sound module fixes
[00:26] <slavik> daved: 64bit?
[00:26] <daved> slavik, not intentionally? :)
[00:26] <nikrud> ethana2 now me, I wouldn't have installed the libc6 upgrade for a a few days. Let someone else be the guinea pig
[00:26] <slavik> daved: then dunno
[00:26] <daved> slavik, just upgraded gutsy to hardy today, these are the kernels that i gt
[00:26] <nikrud> ethana2 I survived the pam debacle in debian
[00:27] <ethana2> nikrud: what'd they do to pam?
[00:27] <daved> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic              2.6.24-12.22
[00:27] <daved> slavik, were you asking if it was a 64 bit kernel or 64 bit hardware?
[00:27] <jimqode> i'm a lowlife, i couldn't get a bcm4312 v 1.0 to work with ndiswrapper ;^(
[00:28] <slavik> kernel
[00:28] <nikrud> ethana2  A long time ago so I forget the details, but I had my first exposure to a live cd because of it.  lnx-bbc saved my butt. Still have that cd :)
[00:28] <jimqode> i think i'm going to consider another carreer path from now on. like growing tomatoes or something
[00:28] <daved> slavik, i dont believe it is, unless -generic is 64 bit
[00:28] <nikrud> jimqode they'll turn out green or rotted. ;P
[00:29] <slavik> daved: on my 64bit kernel with 64bit hardware, the splashscreen doesn't show, monitor goes black and the system doesn't start ...
[00:29] <slavik> was wondering if it could be the same issue
[00:29] <slavik> try removing 'splash' from the kernel line
[00:29] <jimqode> Waaaaaaaa!
[00:29] <daved> my splashscreen shows but stays in the indeterminate progress bar forever
[00:29] <daved> without splash, it just hangs after Please wait, loading
[00:29] <teamcobra> jimqode: by range issues w/ the b43 driver, I went to their site, and apparently the 802.11a features of the 4312 aren;t supported
[00:29] <teamcobra> but the card is
[00:30] <daved> what's weird is 2.6.24-12-generic has the sound fixes but 2.6.24-12-386 does now
[00:30] <daved> *not
[00:30] <nikrud> jimqode I've always found that when I reach a deadblock, doing something else for a couple hours lets me come back with a fresh perception. Nearly always do better second time around
[00:31] <jack|ass> anyone know how to adjust the thermal zones in Hardy?
[00:31] <jimqode> nikrud, but this is my third comeback. I think i'll just open the laptop's bay and take a look at the card now. If it's a minipci card i'll just change it
[00:31] <jimqode> i've had it with this broadcom nonsense
[00:31] <nikrud> lol
[00:31] <jimqode> i hope it's not a pciex
[00:31] <teamcobra> ralink = good ;)
[00:31] <nikrud> jimqode cutting to the chase is always good
[00:32] <teamcobra> jimqode: I have an alfa though, AWESOME card
[00:32] <teamcobra> worth the 70 bucks, 500mw ;) usb, but it takes 2 usb ports
[00:32] <teamcobra> and packet injection works ;)
[00:32] <teamcobra> broadcom cards are the suck
[00:32] <teamcobra> heh, xchat autocorrects "teh" ;p
[00:33] <mikedep333> hello, what is the recommended way of doing dmraid on 8.04 beta?
[00:33] <slavik> teamcobra: s/the/teh/
[00:33] <slavik> :)
[00:33] <slavik> oh, heh
[00:33] <mikedep333> *fakeraid
[00:33] <teamcobra> heheheh :p :p
[00:33] <mikedep333> still dmraid on the desktop cd?
[00:33] <slavik> mikedep333: dmraid isn't fake ...
[00:33] <jimqode> teamcobra, yah xchat rules!
[00:33] <slavik> software raid is really nice when you want to move your raid array to another system with completely different hardware
[00:34] <teamcobra> yeah, it's a nice client ;) I miss running BX on my dual p133 box 12 years ago
[00:34] <jimqode> teamcobra, what is alfa? can you send me a link?
[00:34] <teamcobra> didn't even have X running on it
[00:34] <teamcobra> yeah, 1 sec, lemme dig it up
[00:34] <jimqode> teamcobra, i started on bitchx on slack also :)
[00:35] <teamcobra> http://rokland.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=294     <---- cheeap, I paid $70 ;p
[00:35] <teamcobra> it rules though, and airoscript/aircrack can break wep in 59s w/ it ;)
[00:36] <jimqode> teamcobra, hmm if it can inject it's da shit :)
[00:37] <teamcobra> jim: yeah, passes all injection tests ;)
[00:37] <teamcobra> and the range is phenomenal
[00:37]  * teamcobra does pentesting as a side job ;)
[00:38] <jimqode> it's weird. i opened the bay and the chip on the wifi card says bcm4311kfbg. but hardy says 4312 in lspci
[00:38] <jimqode> which one is true
[00:38] <jimqode> hmmm
[00:38] <teamcobra> good question ;p
[00:38] <nikrud> teamcobra what kind of range?
[00:38] <jimqode> also i discovered i have two more antennae cables in the slot
[00:39] <orkun> hey there. just formated and installed hardy beta. last time(3 days ago) had installed latest alpha. now i have 1000 fps - before i had 700 - with glxgears. i even played around before with modules. how come my fps did increase so much? and how come at all? nothing should be different :/ had compiz running now and before
[00:39] <orkun> i mean it is good ^^ just wanna know why ^^
[00:39] <teamcobra> nikrud: I'll have to actually keep track next time I go out ;) I hit an ap across an entire apartment complex though (5 buildings away, hilly terrain)
[00:40] <nikrud> good range :)
[00:40] <orkun> hardy surprisingly is doing wonders all over the world :E
[00:41] <jimqode> orkun, new X version maybe?
[00:41] <orkun> both 7.3
[00:41] <orkun> i mean it was just as up to date as now ^^
[00:41] <teamcobra> wow, I just got 3133.615 fps in glxgears... does that round up to 3133.7? :D
[00:41] <orkun> i even encountered the same errors and had to make the same adjustment at xorg.conf
[00:41] <orkun> this time - yeah teamcobra :)
[00:42] <teamcobra> heheheh :D
[00:42] <slavik> 68521 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13704.135 FPS
[00:42] <slavik> :)
[00:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> teamcobra, which card is that?
[00:42] <teamcobra> I figured we could probably fudge it, I have ff open and such, it could've hit it otherwise ;)
[00:42] <teamcobra> Hardy: AMD 780g IGP  (really a radeon hd 3200)
[00:42] <orkun> hey now i feel bad :) stop glxgear-nuking me ^^
[00:42]  * slavik has an 8800gts 640mb
[00:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nice
[00:43] <teamcobra> the mobo was $70, w/ hdmi out and 8 channel sound ;)
[00:43] <slavik> teamcobra: the sound chip is crappy ;)
[00:43] <jimqode> it's pci express mini. i want to cry.
[00:43] <slavik> all on-board sound is crap
[00:43] <teamcobra> slavik: I'm sure it is ;)
[00:43] <teamcobra> slavik: the intel hda in this laptop can handle traktor @ 10ms though
[00:44] <teamcobra> in wine ;)
[00:44] <slavik> traktor?
[00:44] <teamcobra> (other machine, not the 780g, haven't tried on that)
[00:44] <orkun> start using laptops you guys ^^
[00:44] <teamcobra> dj'ing app by native instruments
[00:44] <teamcobra> I also use renoise
[00:45] <slavik> I see
[00:45] <teamcobra> no probs on a totally POS sound card, thanks to jack
[00:45] <teamcobra> I mean, they don't even have asio drivers for these things in windows... but I've gotten *near* audiophile 2496 performance
[00:46] <teamcobra> and now a lot of VIA's onboard sound is actually the same as the 2496, they call it via "vinyl audio," but it's the same envy24 chipset
[00:46] <teamcobra> or ICE chipset or whatever, I haven't actually had a personal desktop to pop my old 2496 in in a while, nor do I care, jack is good enough ;)
[00:47] <teamcobra> (w/ the rt kernel, of course)   brb, smoke
[00:50] <Raspberry> sorry I had to go cook dinner
[00:53] <thompa> with lsusb i have different device numbers between x64 and x386. Also one lists a new lazer pointer?
[00:54] <thompa> i got lazer pointer in x386 but in x64 there is the sony as Bus 001 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp. it works only there
[00:54] <thompa> so devices is all messed up i guess
[00:55] <thompa> how can i change what is listing the devices?
[00:56] <steph_> Did someone here try hardy as a virtualbox guest?
[01:00] <jimqode> Intel 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini PCI Express Adapter <= does anyone use this?
[01:00] <jimqode> steph_, i did.
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mini pci as in laptop?
[01:00] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yes
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> then yes
[01:00] <jimqode> mini pci-ex 3945 intel card
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes
[01:01] <jimqode> does work ok with hardy? does it inject packets with aircrack?
[01:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it works with hardy, but i donno what's aircrack
[01:01] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, with native drivers?
[01:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !aircrack
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <jimqode> !aircrack-ng
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack-ng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, the driver is "built-in" to the kernel
[01:02] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, superb!
[01:02] <jimqode> !package aircrack-ng
[01:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, a crack tool?
[01:03] <jimqode> yes it's a wep and wpa crack tool
[01:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, can it crack any wep keys?
[01:04] <jimqode> yes it can. if your card support packet injection it cracks wep very fast
[01:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so 3945 supports it?
[01:04] <jimqode> if it doesn't the cracking speed depends on the speed of communication going on on that ap
[01:04] <jimqode> i don't know. i'm trying to figure it out:)
[01:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ah..
[01:06] <jimqode> it seems it can inject with ipwraw drivers
[01:06] <jimqode> says so here: http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=12165
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, so how can i tell if i have that driver?
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nvm, it's not
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the one with hardy is iwl
[01:08] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, it's a hacked driver i think: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=ipw3945
[01:08] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, hacked to send raw data that is
[01:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> interesting
[01:09] <jimqode> I decided to buy that card right now :)
[01:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, r u on hardy?
[01:09] <jimqode> my broadcom is no good for nothing
[01:10] <jimqode> i'm on my desktop pc right now. my laptop is hardy
[01:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i c
[01:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im going to try it
[01:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never knew u can crack down wep and wpa
[01:12] <jimqode> wep is easily crackable
[01:12] <jimqode> wpa is more secureish :)
[01:13] <jimqode> if your card can inject it takes 5-10 minutes to crack any wep encrypted ap
[01:13] <jimqode> i'm going to sleep now. i hope i see you tomorrow to learn how it went :)
[01:13] <jimqode> nighty night all
[01:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> night
[01:14] <DarkMageZ> wpa-psk isn't 100% either. if someone sniffs out someone sucessfully authenticating to the ap then they can after a bit of processing power.
[01:15] <tgrundle> i am having some issue with compiz and a "Radeon RV100 QY" graphics card in hardy. i know the card is old, but thought it should be bale to handle normal effects.  anyone interested in helping me out
[01:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DarkMageZ, have u tried aircrack?
[01:17] <DarkMageZ> [Hardy]TuTUXG, nope. never done any of it in practice. reading & understanding the theory was cool tho.
[01:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nice
[01:18] <minx> hello!
[01:19] <adinc> i'm new to ubuntu, i used debian before, i installed hardy onto my relatifly new notebook, i took this version in order to have as much as possible hardware support with the distribution. now i have a wireless device from intel called Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABC NetworkConnection, i can see this device with iwconfig and ifconfig, but the ubuntu tool in the pannel is not able to make a connection ot my wep encrypted network. iwlist scanning also doesn't display my w
[01:20] <Nuke_> upgrading gutsy to hardy... is there more to it than just updating all packages?
[01:20] <astheglorious> keyboard does not work after you install ndiswrapper using the realtek 8187b drivers
[01:21] <nikrud> Nuke_ adding new packages, removing obsolete packages
[01:22] <adrian2002ca> does hardy have fixed broadcom drivers?
[01:23] <Nuke_> ok. anyone know why Xgl might be broken since the hardy upgrade
[01:23] <adinc> is someone using successfuly a Intel Corporation Mobile 965 Graphics gard with hardy?
[01:23] <adrian2002ca> (wireless)\
[01:25] <minx> Have trouble getting screen resolution up from deplorable 640X480 in 8.04 beta alternate. Debian etch 40r3 detects monitor (DELL/Sony ultrascan N990) and video card Gigabyte 7300 GS just fine. Any advice?
[01:25] <Joeb454> hey, any reason tab-complete doesn't work for apt-get aptitude? it works for any other command
[01:27] <ninjapants> can someone help me with some problems with a nfs share?
[01:28] <adrian2002ca> hello, anyone know if broadcom wireless card drivers are included with hardy?
[01:28] <chdst> adrian2002ca: Yes and no :)
[01:28] <nikrud> Nuke_ don't need xgl in hardy
[01:28] <nikrud> Nuke_ erm, for ati that is
[01:29] <adrian2002ca> chdst: wha do u mean, you elusive responder?
[01:29] <chdst> adrian2002ca: I'm typing something a little more useful...a moment...
[01:29] <naught101> hrrm... a week ago, my scanner was working fine. now when I plug it in, it doesn't even get detected
[01:30] <naught101> it's a mustek, USB, was working with sane
[01:30] <nikrud> Joeb454 there's some bash-completion bugs, I've read that using the /etc/bash-completion from gutsy works. They did some changes and haven't worked all the bugs out
[01:30] <naught101> any idea how I might find out what the problem is?
[01:30] <chdst> adrian2002ca: I don't remember exactly how this process works, some someone more helpful might correct me. That said, the gutsy ubuntu installer has always detected and attempted to install drivers for my broadcom based card, but in gutsy it failed to actually make the thing work.
[01:30] <naught101> lsusb still detects it
[01:30] <Joeb454> hmm, well as it's the one command nikrud I should be ok, as long as it gets fixed :)
[01:30] <chdst> adrian2002ca: Hardy, on the other hand, did just fine for me. "You mileage may vary"
[01:30] <nikrud> Joeb454 for me, sudo <tab> fails miserably
[01:31] <nikrud> Joeb454 my attitude exactly. A minor thing really
[01:31] <joe__> hey everyone, I can't get synaptic, update manager, software sessions, or add/remove to pull up since the latest hardy update, anyone have any idea's to help me out?
[01:31] <nikrud> naught101 a lot of people are having problems with broadcom right now
[01:31] <adrian2002ca> chdst: sounds good, it seems this is the long awaited update that fixes everything :D
[01:31] <naught101> nikrud: I didn't mention braodcom...
[01:31] <slavik> joe__: when you try to run sudo apt-get update in terminal, do you get any error messages?
[01:32] <chdst> adrian2002ca: It has been, for me, but it's still beta and I'm not in the false hope business. :)
[01:32] <nikrud> naught101 sorry, wrong nick.
[01:32] <Joeb454> :) thanks anyway nikrud, other than that I'm sure you'll be pleased to know I have 0 issues :D
[01:32] <Joeb454> thanks
[01:33] <joe__> slavik: nope no errors
[01:33] <nikrud> I had broadcom issues, but worked around with wpa_applicant. I tried very hard not to learn it, but it snuck up from behind ;)
[01:33] <slavik> joe__: does it output anything at all?
[01:33] <adrian2002ca> chdst: i know, i saw that coming, but cant help the feeling one gets :P
[01:33] <joe__> slavik: just that it hit all the packages
[01:34]  * nikrud plays again with the screen brightness, simply because he can
[01:34] <adinc> is someone here who could help me setting up ubuntu with my graphic gard which is a intel mobile 965?
[01:35] <ninjapants> so i'm trying to mount my first nfs volume and i'm getting a "permission denied" message
[01:35] <joe__> slavik: when i sudo synaptic i get /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[01:35] <joe__>   warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[01:35] <slavik> joe__: so it runs ... what was the actual problem?
[01:35] <slavik> but does synaptic run?
[01:36] <joe__> slavik: well i can't run it through system>admin and i can't run add/remove or update manager gui wise... just terminal everything
[01:36] <slavik> check the commands that are used ... they should have gksudo in front ...
[01:37] <joe__> slavik: it says gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
[01:37] <slavik> ok, good
[01:37] <joe__> slavik: basically i can run things through terminal but this is my wife's computer and i need to make it as easy as possible for her
[01:37] <slavik> hmm, change it to gksudo
[01:37] <joe__> and i dont know why nothing works unless through term
[01:38] <slavik> see if that works ...
[01:39] <joe__> slavik: still no go, just get the busy cursor and nothing happens
[01:39] <slavik> but it is a weird problem (hopefully, synaptic will use policykit)
[01:39] <slavik> try to run the command in the terminal
[01:39] <joe__> slavik: yeah i have no clue
[01:39] <slavik> also, you have only 1 X session, right?
[01:39] <joe__> what do u mean
[01:40] <slavik> making sure that there aren't 2 x sessions which might cause troubles
[01:41] <syke> hi
[01:41] <syke> during an update some time in the last week, my ndiswrapper-based wireless driver stopped working
[01:41] <joe__> slavik: pretty sure i don't how would i check
[01:41] <syke> is someone actively working on this?
[01:41] <IndyGunFreak> how do you import a bookmarks html file into firefox?.. thats ridiculous, i choose import from the file menu, and there's no option to navigate toa  file..lol
[01:42] <slavik> joe__: just switch to other virtual terminals and make sure there is no X there ... terminals 7 through 12 are of interest here
[01:42] <slavik> IndyGunFreak: you can copy your old profile over ...
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> its already toast.. i've never had to do that before.
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> i just always import the bookmarks.html, and its fine
[01:43] <slavik> hmm, from firefox2 to firefox3?
[01:44] <slavik> on my system it automatically imported firefox2 stuff, you might want to try #firefox ...
[01:44] <joe__> slavik: nope just 1
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> slavik: yes
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> i did a clean install.
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> i had my bookmarks.html file backed up, like i always do.
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> and usualliy, i import it w/o issue..l not this time
[01:44] <slavik> joe__: have you tried to update? maybe there is a bug that is fixed with an update ...
[01:45] <telexicon> speaking of firefox
[01:45] <joe__> yup tried that too
[01:45] <telexicon> whats going to happen with firefox 3?
[01:45] <joe__> its soooo weird
[01:45] <telexicon> apparently it wont be out until june?
[01:45] <slavik> telexicon: interesting ...
[01:45] <slavik> joe__: the last thing to do is try to search for the error message on google and see what you can dig up ...
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> well, thats a pain in the ass..
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> i imported the bookmarks to opera, then started firefox, chose to import, and it would allow me to import from opera... go figure
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> hope that gets fixed, thats annoying
[01:53] <slavik> agreed
[01:56] <zagabog> part
[02:01] <dmakalsky> Hi, I have a thinkpad x60, and I upgraded to hardy.  It seems like the wireless is broken.  Is there a known fix?
[02:05] <jin> http://www.aimersoft.com/dvd-ripper.html
[02:05] <uka> Hello all, I have downloaded the Ubuntu 8.4 iso but am trying to install from the iso file rather than burning it to cd using the instructions from http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html : it starts the ubuntu installation, but it then asks for the cd and fails when I don't provide it... I am noticing it mentioned that there is a separate initrd.img I should download instead that would continue from 
[02:17] <Flannel> uka: Try these instead: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation the "without a CD" section
[02:17] <nikrud> vlc is playing movies pixelated with frglrx (both compiz and metacity) , is this something others are seeing?
[02:18] <uka> tell Flannel: thanks - will try
[02:18] <nikrud> totem also. crappy ati
[02:18] <VanDyke> ati and linux is bad news ahhaha
[02:18] <VanDyke> experienced that first hand
[02:19] <nikrud> I guess I'll checkout the open driver and movies later
[02:30] <naught101> ok, this is a bit strange, but after a recend upgrade, my user was removed from the scanner group, meaning I couldn't access my scanner
[02:30] <naught101> can someone else with a scanner confirm if this has happened to them in the past week?
[02:36] <nikrud> groups
[02:37] <nikrud> doh
[02:51] <naught101> would anyone know why I can access my scanner with kooka or xsane when I run with sudo, but not as a normal user?
[02:51] <naught101> my user is in both the scanner and the saned group
[02:51] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm hello just wondering if vbox allows guest additions when running ubuntu hardy heron?
[02:53] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm hello just wondering if vbox allows guest additions when running ubuntu hardy heron?
[03:01] <Pirate_Hunter> hello...?
[03:10] <frank__> what is the package name for the advanced compiz settings?
[03:12] <frank__> !compiz
[03:12] <dns53> compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[03:12] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[03:12] <frank__> dns53, yeah I think that's it
[03:13] <emet_> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:14] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager (source: compizconfig-settings-manager): Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 599 kB, installed size 3980 kB
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hmm, torrents are cool.
[03:35] <dbmoodb> transmition is being used now no ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:35]  * Hobbsee is playing with transmissioncli
[03:35] <dbmoodb> cli really ? not rtorrent
[03:35] <ethana2> Is there a company that supports Ubuntu on non-x86 archs?
[03:36] <dbmoodb> ethana2: that is hard to find --> which arch ? ... debian supports a lot more than ubuntu these days it seems
[03:36] <ethana2> dmoodb: it is supported /on/ more archs
[03:36]  * Hobbsee watches the network usage spike
[03:36] <ethana2> bmoodb: ...ppc, cell, and sparc
[03:36] <ethana2> heh, sorry
[03:37] <ethana2> slaughtered that name of yours
[03:37] <dbmoodb> cell ? .... what is that ... ppc  / mips ?
[03:37] <ethana2> Cell Broadband Engine
[03:37] <ethana2> ppc + spu's
[03:37] <ethana2> used in the PS3 and stuff
[03:37] <dbmoodb> not the sony "cell"
[03:37] <RAOF> Yes, the sony "cell".
[03:37] <ethana2> The IBM "cell"
[03:38] <dbmoodb> oh linux runs on it .... maybe -- you would need to look it up more
[03:38] <RAOF> For those with a ps3, I'd be interested to see how well gallium works for you :)
[03:38] <ethana2> well of course it runs
[03:38] <ethana2> RAOF: but of course
[03:38]  * dbmoodb wishes there was a firefox keyboard short cut to the next tab along
[03:38] <ethana2> ...but people with ppc macs and ps3's are getting ignored by canonical
[03:38] <ethana2> when there are known bugs
[03:38] <dbmoodb> ... its not netbsd you know
[03:39] <ethana2> i'm just thinking it may be a good idea to start a business
[03:39] <dbmoodb> well i wouldn't call a ps3 a production system
[03:39] <RAOF> dbmoodb: My wish is your command.  I've just added "ctrl-tab" for exactly what you want!
[03:39] <dbmoodb> oh forgot about that ...
[03:39] <ethana2> RAOF: false
[03:39] <dns53> there are ibm servers with cell processors
[03:39] <ethana2> that's the last used tab
[03:39] <xjjk> ethana2: I think they rely on the community to support those platforms
[03:39] <ethana2> dns53: yes there are
[03:39] <xjjk> ethana2: Canonical gets flamed for not supporting KDE either
[03:39] <ethana2> xjjk: we can only do so much
[03:40] <dbmoodb> eh ? don't they ?
[03:40] <dbmoodb> i thought they picked that up..
[03:40] <ethana2> xjjk: they do support kde
[03:40]  * RAOF cycles through all his tabs, one-by-one, in order, with ctrl-tab.
[03:40] <ethana2> kjjk: just not on the same releases
[03:40] <xjjk> dbmoodb: that's debatable
[03:40] <xjjk> while I rather use Kubuntu over Ubuntu, Ubuntu is a lot more "polished" IMHO
[03:40] <RAOF> ethana2: Yes.  PPC is no longer an officially supported arch.
[03:40] <ethana2> yes it is
[03:40] <ethana2> oh sorry, RAOF
[03:40] <ethana2> brb
[03:41] <ethana2> back, and RAOF: that's /exactly/ what I speak of
[03:41] <ethana2> Ubuntu has to replace OSX
[03:41] <ethana2> mac users are great marketing
[03:41] <ethana2> ^_^
[03:42] <RAOF> And it can, on modern hardware.  But very few of the developers actually *have* PPC hardware, which makes it somewhat difficult :)
[03:42] <dbmoodb> why is that ethana2 ? i thought it was steve
[03:42] <ethana2> I think a company that supported Ubuntu on the Cell, PPC, and sparc could match canonical's market share
[03:42] <xjjk> so, question with encrypted partitions: boot has to be non-encrypted?
[03:42] <RAOF> xjjk: _Yes_.
[03:43] <xjjk> RAOF: how "secure" is that... an attacker could replace stuff on /boot with tainted files...
[03:43] <ethana2> RAOF: if someone went out and bought all of them powerbooks, would it change the course of humanity?
[03:43] <xjjk> I am debating whether to do the encrypted disk setup
[03:43] <RAOF> xjjk: Actually... I'm not quite sure.  It's possible that you can have an encrypted /boot.  On the other hand, there's very little reason to encrypt /boot.
[03:43] <xjjk> RAOF: to prevent tampering with kernel/initrds
[03:44] <RAOF> xjjk: Right.  I was more interested in the 'someone takes your laptop, and doesn't have access to all your files' use case, but you're right.
[03:44] <ethana2> Well, I'll just have to see what I can find...
[03:44] <xjjk> RAOF: seems as if this is pointless, especially for the overhead...
[03:44] <xjjk> might as well use some userspace thing like encryptfs or whatever it is
[03:44] <dbmoodb> lets follow the slashdot method here xjjk its linux, mostly thieves will be like wtf is this
[03:45] <dbmoodb> and delete the thing
[03:45] <xjjk> yeh, so not worth doing the encryption..
[03:45] <xjjk> at least not for everything
[03:45] <xjjk> maybe I'll encrypt /home just because I can/should..
[03:45] <dbmoodb> i think that is it a bit silly you should only encrypt what you need to encrypt
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: exactly
[03:46] <xjjk> I want to encrypt everything...
[03:46] <dbmoodb> the rest they can have ;)
[03:46] <dns53> encription is there to stop the average person from reading your files, it does nothing to protect your computer from root kits and other attacks like that
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: errr, sorry, misread what you meant
[03:46]  * [mbm] has everything on an encrypted lvm partition
[03:46] <[mbm]> (let the flamewar begin)
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: the point of encrypting everything is to prevent tampering of those binaries that interact with stuff on the encrypted volumes
[03:46] <dns53> dns53  is an idiot
[03:47] <dbmoodb> ahm, the point is too secure data
[03:47] <xjjk> [mbm]: do you use an encrypted /boot? how do you guarantee security on it
[03:47] <dbmoodb> not encrypt for the sake of encryption
[03:48] <dbmoodb>  ah and is the option in the gui hardy install -- never did it from the cd (upgraded from gutsy)
[03:48] <[mbm]> xjjk: no, I don't have an encrypted boot, but given that it's an eee with a bios password and boot is on an ssd it would be rather difficult to change /boot
[03:48] <xjjk> [mbm]: I see
[03:49] <dbmoodb> if its solid state does that make it different to a hard disk when you turn it off for temporary files ...
[03:50] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: the point I was trying to make is that you'd need to physically unsoder it form the motherboard if you wanted to tamper with /boot
[03:50] <dbmoodb> oh really ? is it that far in...
[03:50] <xjjk> [mbm]: that's pretty hot, actually
[03:50] <dns53> flash has a limited lifetime, i would have thought encryption would mean an awful lot more writes
[03:50] <xjjk> I'm waiting for 9" EeePCs to become commonplace...
[03:50] <xjjk> er, available..
[03:51] <dbmoodb> the eee 701 is becoming rather common
[03:51] <dns53> well i'm happy with my 701
[03:51] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: the "disk" is a set of 4 1g flash chips on the motherboard
[03:51] <[mbm]> the encrypted lvm is on an sd card
[03:53] <RAOF> xjjk: So, in total: you _probably_ can encrypt /boot; it'll get unlocked in the initramfs, so as long as grub can deal with what it unlocks to everything should be fine.
[03:54] <dns53> i don't know from experience but perhaps trucrypt can do this?
[03:54] <[mbm]> apart from some TPM methods I can't think of how you could encrypt /boot
[03:54] <dbmoodb> you can put /boot on a usb drive no :)
[03:55] <xjjk> [mbm]: very good point... didn't think about that...
[03:55] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: sure, but that wouldn't really change the security of it
[03:55] <dbmoodb> mbm i can eat it then
[03:56] <dbmoodb> don't ask how i get it back
[03:58] <[mbm]> I won't ask that, but I will ask you to wash it
[03:58] <dbmoodb> wash ?
[03:58] <[mbm]> clean it
[03:58] <dbmoodb> put it in a plastic bag ?
[04:05] <tgelter> hey all, can someone point me in the right direction as to how to get NetworkManger to play nicely with WPA2 ?
[04:07] <Asa_A> What might cause my Unlock button on Users and groups to be grey? I'm the main user on my computer so I should be able to press"Unlock" and add a user.
[04:07] <dbmoodb> how come it isn't atm
[04:10] <dbmoodb> tgelter what is happening ? is the wifi network going up and down ?
[04:12] <tgelter> dbmoodb: if I try to connect to my home network (router is broadcasting with wpa2), networkmanager will act like it's going to connect, but then just fall back to a local unsecured access point
[04:13] <dbmoodb> ah dhcp configured or is the ip set ?
[04:14] <tgelter> dhcp
[04:14] <dbmoodb> and you are in range - what card / chipset is it ?
[04:14] <tgelter> dbmoodb: yeah, range isn't the issue. it's the iwl4965
[04:15] <dbmoodb> oh .... not familiar with it - was it ever working with wpa2 ?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> so, that was interesting.
[04:16] <tgelter> I just looked through the logs and saw this message: "Error opening supplicant global control interface" (yes, it worked great up until I upgraded to hardy)
[04:16] <dbmoodb> what was ? Hobbsee. is it using the iwlwifi in hardy or the old one
[04:16]  * Hobbsee just used rtorrent, then had her system go unresponsive.
[04:16] <dbmoodb> rtorrent ... rofl
[04:17] <dbmoodb> how did rtorrent crash your system .....- that is interesting
[04:17]  * xjjk burns a Kubuntu Hardy AMD64 CD...
[04:17] <nikrud> correlation is not causation
[04:18] <tgelter> dbmoodb: so no idea as to what I could try? (I can certainly go research, but wondered if this was a common issue)
[04:18] <dbmoodb> check launchpad
[04:19] <spr0k3t_> morning all.
[04:21] <spr0k3t_> anyone having problems with enabling hardware graphics accel on an nvidia card?
[04:50] <macogw> X just died on me...but I know from having this happen randomly for the last couple weeks that GDM will not restart after one of these (have to reboot)...what are the odds it's not X that's crashing, but GDM?
[04:52] <charles__> Gnome apps are giving me "Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument" when I try to play music; I can get sound out of other apps (flash, amarok)
[05:03] <tgelter> so enlighten me...why would we "upgrade" gnome-system-monitor to be all pretty if in order to show the smooth scrolling line graph, 50% cpu is used?
[05:04] <nikrud> tgelter I get negligible cpu
[05:04] <RAOF> tgelter: It only takes so much CPU if your drivers are crap.  Sadly, almost all drivers _are_ crap :/
[05:05] <spr0k3t_> tgelter: htop is your friend.
[05:05] <macogw> or just normal top...
[05:05] <tgelter> spr0k3t: I use and love ntop, but it's nice being able to click the applet and see what's going on quickly
[05:05] <tgelter> RAOF: what drivers are you refering to?
[05:05] <RAOF> tgelter: Video drivers.
[05:05] <tgelter> I'm using nvidia-glx-new
[05:06] <RAOF> Yup; they're crap.
[05:06] <tgelter> and I should be using what? using the newer driver from the manufacturer?
[05:06] <spr0k3t_> yeah, I can't even get twinview working with nvidia-glx-new on hardy right now.
[05:06] <nikrud> probably are using the latest, the ati is
[05:07] <RAOF> Well, you can get negligable CPU usage there with the nouveau drivers, but yeah, there's really nothing better for general use than nvidia-glx-new.
[05:07] <tgelter> I'll see if that's the issue, I'll bbl to report. thanks!
[05:07] <RAOF> That doesn't change the fact that they're crap :)
[05:07] <tgelter> if only nvidia would open them
[05:07] <nikrud> good crap, but crap non the less?
[05:07] <spr0k3t_> tgelter: it depends on what card you have. if it's bleeding edge like the 9 series... then yeah, go with the manufacturers graphics, otherwise, stick to the repos.
[05:08] <tgelter> so wicd is pretty awesome compared to networkmanager
[05:08] <tgelter> spr0k3t_ I just have the NV140 (on a t61 laptop)
[05:09] <spr0k3t_> I'm not sure, but I think the hal for that core is in the glx-new.
[05:09] <tgelter> how would I check?
[05:09] <spr0k3t_> the lenovo t61 has been out for what, two years?
[05:10] <tgelter> no idea...though I don't think quite that long
[05:10] <spr0k3t_> not sure on how to check... I remember working with a t60 using a similar nvidia go reference chip.
[05:11] <spr0k3t_> that system worked flawlessly with the glx-new.
[05:11] <tgelter> I haven't had any issues, though some of you seem to think that the high cpu usage I'm seeing in gnome-system-monitor is due to the the driver
[05:12] <tgelter> I wonder though, why would compiz (even the "advanced stuff") work so flawlessly and at the same time have the problem with gnome-system-monitor?
[05:12] <RAOF> tgelter: So, using nvidia-glx-new I have ~30% CPU usage in Xorg while using gnome-system-monitor.  With nouveau, I have ~2%.
[05:12] <spr0k3t_> not sure... I haven't been able to get compiz working with the dual head setup.
[05:13] <tgelter> !nouveau
[05:13] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[05:13] <tgelter> RAOF: does compiz work under nouveau?
[05:13] <RAOF> It _is_ the driver.  g-s-m is using quite a lot of Cairo stuff, which is only really well accelerated by nouveau at the moment.
[05:13] <RAOF> tgelter: Sadly, no.  Otherwise I'd never use the blob at all.
[05:14] <tgelter> sad, I'd like to get away from the blob as well, though I haven't found a  way...I'm addicted to compiz
[05:14] <spr0k3t_> yeah, but the nouveau is doing damn good for reverse engineering a closed chipset.
[05:15] <tgelter> hopefully it'll keep making progress until it's better than the closed driver, maybe that'd make nvidia consider opening up
[05:15] <RAOF> Well, yes.  2d is pretty much done for < nv5x (and is faster/better quality/more featureful than the blob).
[05:16] <teamcobra> nvidia's going to have to open up eventually, if amd gets their act together
[05:16] <RAOF> And pays for some full-time open-source X hackers, like Intel does.
[05:16] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: what about dual screens for 2d?  I can't even get that working with the blob.
[05:17] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Heh.  It supports XRandR 1.2, so (a) dual screens is really easy, and (b) Ubuntu's new Screen Resolution applet works with it.
[05:17] <teamcobra> RAOF: yup, but they have the hardware that could compete w/ nvidia, where intel really doesn't
[05:17] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: But you should be able to do dual screens really easily with the blob.
[05:18] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: works awesome with my gutsy drive... using twinview like a bomb... but every time I try to configure it for hardy, I have to repair x.
[05:18] <spr0k3t_> same settings.
[05:18] <jimmygoon> my current max volume is remarkably low :(
[05:19] <kebinusan> I keep getting errors trying to launch urls from things like xchat with firefox3, There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location., how do I go about fixing such things
[05:19] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Hm.  Dunno.  Maybe start by trying to just use nvidia-settings to do dynamic twinview first?
[05:20] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: yeah, I've been through all the trials with it.  I've even made a PXE image so I can reinstall the system in two minutes.
[05:20] <tgelter> thanks guys, I'm outta here
[05:20] <tgelter> g'night
[05:20] <spr0k3t_> laterz
[05:21] <teamcobra> hrmm, my laptop sees the smb shares on the server, but the server doesn't see the laptop's shares (smb or nfs, in fact, the laptop can't see the folders inside of the share)
[05:22] <teamcobra> jimmygoon: double-click on the speaker and turn your pcm up
[05:22] <jimmygoon> teamcobra, if I turn it up any more the sound gets distorted
[05:22] <teamcobra> then turn the pcm up, turn the main volume down
[05:23] <teamcobra> and slowly turn the main volume up until it's perfect ;)
[05:23] <gaminggeek> can anyone remember how to get a wacom tablet to go in ubuntu?
[05:23] <jimmygoon> should I leave pcm at high?
[05:23] <nikrud> jimmygoon about 80% is a good starting point
[05:24] <teamcobra> right, don't turn it all the way up, clipping is bad ;)
[05:24] <jimmygoon> nikrud, thats what I used to have it at until i noticed how quiet it got today (presumably after some update)
[05:24] <teamcobra> it does depend on the card though
[05:25] <jimmygoon> as for smb, my windows machine has never willingly seen my ubuntu's shares
[05:25] <nikrud> love those updates :)
[05:25] <jimmygoon> I'm just thrilled that my pc stopped beeping at me
[05:25] <teamcobra> yeah, both of these machines are hardy
[05:26] <jimmygoon> though rhythmbox is still "stopping the policy action from taking place: Playing" which is a strange message when I open/close the lid
[05:26] <macogw> jimmygoon: it's saying "no you cannot *action taken when lid is closed*! i'm busy playing!"
[05:26] <macogw> it told me i wasn't allowed to shut down because it was playing music
[05:27] <SeveredCross> Yeah, Banshee does the same thing.
[05:27] <jimmygoon> but its saying an action that it is already doing? Its preventing itself from doing something ... that it is already doing?
[05:27] <teamcobra> owell, I gave up on the shared folder problem for now, Sirius to the rescue ;)
[05:27] <SeveredCross> jimmygoon: Er, I think it's telling you Rhythmbox is preventing whatever is supposed to happen when the lid closes because it's playing.
[05:28] <jimmygoon> OH
[05:28] <jimmygoon> that would sort of make sense ;D
[05:29] <jesse> !info miro
[05:29] <ubotu> miro (source: miro): GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1908 kB, installed size 7316 kB
[05:30] <jesse> !info miro gutsy
[05:30] <ubotu> miro (source: miro): GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.8.1-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 555 kB, installed size 3012 kB
[05:31] <SeveredCross> Miro has ALWAYS not worked for me.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> And by that, I mea it has never worked.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> SOmetimes it would crash like mad, other times it would actually download stuff but not play anything.
[05:32] <RAOF> Contrast with my experience, which is "always works" :)
[05:33] <Nuke_> Xgl broken in hardy? anyone dealt with this yet?
[05:33] <SeveredCross> In some ways, that's one of the problems with the Linux experience.
[05:33] <SeveredCross> Is that problems can be hard to replicate since not everyone's system works the same.
[05:33] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:33] <SeveredCross> And sometimes it's strange things causing problems.
[05:34] <RAOF> Nuke_: I'm not aware of Xgl being broken.
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Me either, but I don't use Xgl.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> miro needed the icedtea i think - last i used it,
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Miro's not a Java app?
[05:34] <Nuke_> RAOF: i haven't looked into it too deeply, but i get strange errors starting gnome (and compiz) with Xgl running
[05:34] <SeveredCross> I didn't think it was anyway.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> dont ask me why.. but i recall it needign icedtea for somthing.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I though it was the firefox browser - all hackored up and scripted
[05:35] <Nuke_> just did the full upgrade from gutsy this morning, but had been running mostly hardy for a month or two
[05:35] <Dr_willis> similer to what happned with songbird.
[05:35] <RAOF> Yeah; it's a xul app.  But there is/was a fun bug in firefox/java which killed stuff, including miro.
[05:35] <spr0k3t_> Nuke_: having the same problem with xgl here. are you doing single or dual screen?
[05:36] <Nuke_> spr0k3t_: single
[05:36] <Dr_willis> xul app - like songbird. :) i think..  i think that bug killed both of them
[05:36] <spr0k3t_> you get the xserver.log file error dialog?
[05:37] <Nuke_> spr0k3t_: maybe. i get a dialog explaining that my session lasted <10 seconds, but gnome does actually start albeit without a window manager
[05:37] <spr0k3t_> that's the one
[05:38] <Nuke_> guess compiz is dying and it's not defaulting back on metacity
[05:38] <spr0k3t_> I get the errors even when I don't have compiz running.
[05:38] <spr0k3t_> I've even done the AddRGBblahblahblah option to xorg.conf trick.
[05:38] <Nuke_> like it's not able to load a window manager at all with Xgl
[05:39] <tgelter> ok, so installing the latest nvidia driver did nothing to lower cpu usage with gnome-system-monitor open, oh well
[05:39] <RAOF> tgelter: Indeed.  The driver remains crap :)
[05:40] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Of course, practically no xorg.conf options make a difference when you're using Xgl.
[05:40] <tgelter> another question, since I upgraded, the only way I can get the "custom" tag to show up under "Appearance" is by installing compizconfig-simple, but I don't want to use the simple config, I want to use the full-fledged config and be able to click "custom" to change to compiz, what do I need to do?
[05:40] <Nuke_> of course the only reason I need Xgl is to solve the choppy video under nvidia glx
[05:41] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: very true... but it was worth the try after all the hair-pulling trying to make it work.
[05:41] <RAOF> Nuke_: "Choppy video"?
[05:41] <Nuke_> RAOF: compiz effects and video playing under compiz seem to show up choppy... like a lower framerate
[05:43] <RAOF> Nuke_: Oh, right.  You may simply want to install compizconfig-settings-manager, go to System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects options->General Options->Display Options, and uncheck "detect refresh rate" and manually set the correct refresh rate.
[05:45] <Nuke_> RAOF: incredible. my googling skills proven ineffective.
[05:45] <Nuke_> can't believe that was it
[05:46] <RAOF> It's because nvidia (deliberately) mis-report the refresh rate, unless you explicitly disable DynamicTwinview.
[05:46] <nikrud> I've been told nvidia lies
[05:46] <Nuke_> why do they do that?
[05:46] <nikrud> !lies
[05:46] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[05:47] <RAOF> Nuke_: Because the way they do dual-screen requires it, basiacally.
[05:47] <Nuke_> ok so more importantly - what is the real purpose of Xgl?
[05:47] <nikrud> tgelter with the full one installed, you get Advanced Desktop Settings , just above appearance
[05:48] <RAOF> Nuke_: It was, and remains, a proof of concept as to how you can accelerate X with only OpenGL.
[05:48] <tgelter> nikrud: all that shows up is "none, normal, extra"
[05:48] <macogw> i give up
[05:48] <tgelter> err, nm
[05:48] <macogw> i'm rebooting
[05:48] <macogw> X can go f off and die
[05:48] <macogw> oh wait, it already did
[05:48] <macogw> hence the rebooting
[05:48] <nikrud> heh
[05:48] <RAOF> Nuke_: It was also useful because drivers are/were crap, and didn't support all sorts of useful things.  Drivers are generally now slightly less crap.
[05:48] <Nuke_> so Xgl just provides the GL overlay?
[05:49] <macogw> yes
[05:49] <macogw> i think...
[05:49] <tgelter> nikrud: I understand that, and I use that tool to configure, but there used to be a link under "appearance --> Visual Effects" called "custom that I could click the radio button to enable the advanced settings, and click the "custom" button to customize (launches advanced compiz-config)
[05:49] <RAOF> No.  Xgl provides a _whole X server_, using only the GL of an underlying X server.
[05:49] <nikrud> tgelter I guess someone figured that since it was in the menu anyway, that button was superfluous
[05:50] <Nuke_> ah. makes sense, then
[05:50] <nikrud> tgelter a couple less clicks might be the reasoning
[05:50] <tgelter> nikrud: the problem is, now I have to run "compiz --replace" to start it in "advanced" mode (which is ok, I can do that easy enough, but annoying) instead of just clicking the button
[05:51] <RAOF> tgelter, nikrud: You now need the simple-ccsm package, rather than compizconfig-settings-manager to get the "Advanced" option.
[05:51] <nikrud> tgelter ? I don't understand, compiz starts automatically for me
[05:52] <tgelter> RAOF: I have installed that before, and got the tab, but when I click on the customize link (or whatever the button is called), it launches the simple config instead of the advanced one
[05:52] <RAOF> Yes, that's right.
[05:53] <tgelter> RAOF: and I'd like it to open the advanced menu like it did before
[05:53] <macogw> RAOF: he wants the advanced one
[05:53] <nikrud> which is in the menu
[05:53] <RAOF> Oh, right.  Well, it doesn't :)
[05:53] <macogw> what does ata exception mask mean?
[05:53] <tgelter> RAOF: I think it ought to be an option, launch the advanced one, or the simple one...
[05:53] <tgelter> oh well
[05:59] <tgelter> is there any way to use HDAPS with PAM to login? like, some sort of "knock-based-authentication"?
[05:59] <tgelter> it'd make for a cool demo when I teach people how cool linux is =)
[06:06] <Lynoure> tgelter: what kind of use do you have in mind? Drop the laptop in order to log out?
[06:07] <tgelter> lynoure: just tilt it
[06:07] <Lynoure> tgelter: seems mildly unhandy, at least for people who use their laptops on the go
[06:07] <tgelter> lynoure: you can already switch between desktops by tapping it (through metacity/compiz)
[06:07] <tgelter> Lynoure: it's estremely unuseful. I just want to do it to show that it can be done
[06:08] <Lynoure> I bet it could be done... just takes someone's attention and time
[06:08] <Lynoure> tgelter: cool
[06:08] <tgelter> maybe it's time I learn how to write a PAM module
[06:09] <Frydrogen> "Look how cool linux is! I can do completely random things with no imaginable benefit!
[06:09] <Frydrogen> "
[06:09] <Frydrogen> that is why linux is a hobbyists solution
[06:10] <tgelter> Frydrogen: those "completely random things with no imaginable benefit" are often the brain-children for great things
[06:10] <macogw> like the one where you tap the sides of the screen to switch workspaces?
[06:10] <macogw> smack the right side of the screen to the left and it moves to the left workspace
[06:10] <macogw> i think someone did that on a mac with one of the add-on workspace things...Virtue Desktops maybe
[06:10] <tgelter> macogw: who knows, likely not, but who knows what kind of idea someone else would pull from that
[06:11] <Frydrogen> tgelter: which is why compiz has all those amazingly useful plugins now I assume..?
[06:11] <Frydrogen> I mean, wobbly windows, what a great thing to come from such an innovative idea!
[06:11] <tgelter> Frydrogen: there are several pieces of compiz that are quite useful
[06:12] <tgelter> wobbly windows, not so much (at least for most people, for me, they give the desktop a more "real" feel...), but others are
[06:12] <Frydrogen> I'm still waiting to hear what they are..
[06:14] <tgelter> the cube, for example. I had a really hard time getting used to using workspaces because my brain doesn't work well like that. Instead of using them, I'd stick to one or *maybe* two of them. with the cube, it's more three-dimensional, which allows me to more easily recall where I have placed a particular window
[06:14] <macogw> tgelter: agreed
[06:14] <RAOF> _
[06:14] <RAOF> _scale_, aka exposé.
[06:14] <macogw> the wobbly windows also feel more natural...paper bends in teh breeze when you move it
[06:14] <RAOF> That's really, really useful.
[06:14] <ether__c> has anyone else noticed firefox 3 beta 4 being really sluggish?
[06:15] <macogw> not me
[06:15]  * RAOF thinks scale is implemented better than Exposé, actually.
[06:15] <gluer> yeh, i have probs using it with compiz
[06:15] <tgelter> Frydrogen: it's fine if you think that something is useless, don't use it. but don't accuse someone's project as being useless
[06:15] <gluer> freezes
[06:16] <Rodya> anyone here have trouble with rtorrent hashing/opening torrents in heron?
[06:17] <Frydrogen> tgelter: Why can't I call someone elses project useless?
[06:17]  * tgelter uses qbittorrent
[06:17] <Frydrogen> tgelter: They put it out in the public
[06:17] <tgelter> Frydrogen: go ahead and call it useless. just don't expect everyone to agree with you
[06:18] <Frydrogen> tgelter: thats fine, but don't try to change my mind either
[06:18] <tgelter> Frydrogen: you asked me to explain myself, which is what I did
[06:18] <Frydrogen> All the cool things it could do, and instead it goes for eye candy
[06:18]  * Frydrogen sighs
[06:18]  * Frydrogen goes towards bed
[06:18] <Frydrogen> It's late here :/
[06:18] <tgelter> g'night
[06:23] <proximo> hi, if i install ubuntu or kubuntu hardy heron beta today, will i be able to upgrade to full from repos once it is released or will i need to reinstall?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:23] <proximo> thats a yes for upgrade i reckon?
[06:24] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:24] <proximo> cool thanks :)
[06:33] <arvind_> how to run .exe files in ubuntu?
[06:34] <macogw> arvind_: those are windows programs silly!
[06:34] <Gnea> arvind_: install wine
[06:34] <RAOF> arvind_: Not really an #ubuntu+1 question.  Also, the answer is "depends", but starts with "why do you think you can run windows executables on Ubuntu"
[06:35] <macogw> throw a ? into the "" for good measure :P
[06:35] <dbmoodb> i always do ?
[06:37] <arvind_> are there any major developments in HH?
[06:38] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:38] <RAOF> Many.
[06:38] <arvind_> may i know ?
[06:38] <SuperLag> So... what's the verdict on Hardy? Good stuff? :)
[06:39] <DistroJockey> Very :)
[06:39] <dbmoodb> pretty good, broadcom cards are weird -- going to test it some more on that
[06:39] <arvind_> recently i habe downloaded HH beta from ubuntu site. I dont see any changes in UI.
[06:39] <SuperLag> 3% down, 97 to to
[06:39] <SuperLag> to go, that is
[06:39] <dbmoodb> arvind_:  its a lot more document -- tool tip like ( have not figured how to turn it off and now i am used to some of it)
[06:39] <SuperLag> DistroJockey: what's noticeable over Gutsy?
[06:39] <dbmoodb> apparmour settings -- gui
[06:40] <DistroJockey> SuperLag: Speed, xorg.conf works nice
[06:40] <dbmoodb> speed ... ah not yet
[06:40] <tgelter> would someone like to help me fix what should be a simple vlc problem (audio isn't working, I think I have a setting incorrectly specified)
[06:41] <dbmoodb> unless you think otherwise DistroJockey, i consider it to be slower or more resource intensive than gutsy atm
[06:41] <macogw> arvind_: didnt notice any of the Policy Kit stuff in your System tools?
[06:41] <SuperLag> tgelter: delete ~/.vlc and start over?
[06:41] <macogw> arvind_: in the appearances thing there's also a new theme, human-murrine
[06:41] <SuperLag> tgelter: if you can't find your mystery setting, that is
[06:41] <tgelter> SuperLag: good point, I'll try that
[06:42] <DistroJockey> dbmoodb: ok, maybe not speed.
[06:42] <tgelter> yeah, still no go, maybe I need some other package installed
[06:42] <SuperLag> tgelter: that's strange. Does audio work in other apps?
[06:42] <dbmoodb> pulse audio ?
[06:43] <SuperLag> What repos should I use? will Hardy break for me?
[06:43] <arvind_> Macgow: I dont see the human-murrine theme.
[06:43]  * SuperLag hides
[06:43] <tgelter> SuperLag: certainly, check this: http://pastebin.com/d1c7dc19
[06:43] <SuperLag> I'm just kidding, for anyone ready to flame me
[06:44] <dbmoodb> there are no trolls here
[06:44]  * dbmoodb hides
[06:44] <arvind_> macgow: where is the Policy kit stuff? i dont see it.
[06:45] <SuperLag> wtf?
[06:45] <SuperLag> doesn't Ubuntu use ALSA, by default?
[06:45]  * SuperLag could be way out of touch here
[06:45] <RAOF> Yes.  ALSA and pulseaudio are different layers of the stack.
[06:46] <SuperLag> I use Ubie on a box with no sound... so I pay no attention to that part
[06:46] <SuperLag> RAOF: it would seem like something is amiss with tgelter's sound stack. I don't see any attempts to start stuff that looks like it's tied to ALSA
[06:47] <tgelter> RAOF,SuperLag: but every other app works fine...I think I just borked something up with vlc
[06:47] <SuperLag> wow, this is sad. 15 mins, and I'm stuck at 3%
[06:47] <SuperLag> the mirrors are getting hammered, aren't they...
[06:48]  * Hobbsee gives SuperLag the boot
[06:48] <RAOF> tgelter: You may want to run "asoundconf set-pulseaudio" to get the default ALSA output to go through Pulseaudio (and then to ALSA again).
[06:48] <arvind_>  where is the Policy kit stuff?
[06:48] <SuperLag> anyone have a torrent for the beta?
[06:48]  * Hobbsee does
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ubuntu release notes did, too
[06:48] <SuperLag> I didn't read them directly. I got the info via my feed readers.
[06:48] <SuperLag> reader
[06:48] <arvind_> macgow: where is the Policy kit?
[06:48] <dbmoodb> sorry torrent ? oh ah can i join the torrent pool if i get the iso from my isp ?
[06:49] <dbmoodb> (same checksum i think)
[06:49] <tgelter> RAOF: when I ran that, I saw no output, and when I tried vlc, it returned with the same errors as before
[06:49] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: should do, yes.
[06:49] <RAOF> tgelter: Ok.  Eh.
[06:49] <arvind_> hey macgow... are you there? i have been asking questions, but no answer from your side!
[06:50]  * dbmoodb about to try vnc 
[06:50] <dbmoodb> oooo pretty options
[06:51]  * SuperLag starts the torrent
[06:51] <tgelter> so the error is: ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[06:52] <tgelter> so i guess I'm just missing a package
[06:52] <dbmoodb> oh that is so mad, the hardy computer appears under arp to be hostname.local (not the ip)
[06:52] <RAOF> tgelter: Right.  This is useful.  Do you have the libasound2-plugins package installed?
[06:52] <tgelter> nope, installing now
[06:53] <tgelter> hmm...that fixed the problem, but still no sound
[06:53] <tgelter> (and no error output)
[06:53] <SuperLag> damn. that's MUCH better :)
[06:53] <arvind_> macgow,r u there?
[06:53] <dbmoodb> ah .... apparently the old vncviewer doesn't support ubuntu's new server (with encryption or something)
[06:54] <dbmoodb> if you turn that off it works
[06:54] <Hobbsee> arvind_: if macogw hasn't responded by now, probably not
[06:54] <arvind_> Hobbsee: where is the Policy kit?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> arvind_: what do you mean?
[06:55] <arvind_> Hobbsee: policy kit?
[06:55] <tgelter> RAOF: I tried an mp3 instead of a movie, and it works now...so maybe now I just need to install a codec to provide sound to divx/xvid?
[06:55] <telexicon> why is VNC even used when X11 is available?
[06:56] <RAOF> tgelter: VLC doesn't support codec plugins.  If it doesn't work now, it never will.
[06:56] <dbmoodb> because it is easier to set up and does not require root ?
[06:56] <tgelter> RAOF: awesome! =)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> arvind_: vague question
[06:56] <arvind_> tgellter:  is there Policy kit?
[06:56] <tgelter> arvind_: what do you mean?
[06:56] <telexicon> i mean, why didnt somebody implement a remote screen type deal on top of X11 instead of using all the inefficient bitmaps
[06:56] <Dr_willis> vnc is a tool designed for situations where X11 is not suitable.
[06:57] <arvind_> Hobbsee: any new hardy repos?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> use whaever you want. :) dont forget freenx also.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> arvind_: no.
[06:57] <macogw> arvind_: Policy Kit is the reason there are all those "Unlock" buttons in the System stuff
[06:57] <arvind_> tgellter:  Policy kit
[06:57] <tgelter> arvind_: what about it?
[06:57] <arvind_>  tgelter:Policy Kit is the reason there are all those "Unlock" buttons in the System stuff
[06:58] <Hobbsee> arvind_: if you try to behave like a bot, you will be treated as one.
[06:59] <dbmoodb> ah stupid question, how do i know if i am on the beta ? .... do i have to dist-upgrade or ... was it done with the last round of updates i applied yesterday ?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: google that.  that is a stupid question.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> or check the forums
[06:59]  * dbmoodb i don't think it is up on the forums 
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ....
[07:00]  * dbmoodb assumes that moving from alpha to beta on the same 'distro' is probably not requiring the services of dist-upgrade
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it tends to be
[07:01] <dbmoodb> well i expected the jump to be some what larger
[07:02] <macogw> dbmoodb: beta freeeze was last week
[07:02] <macogw> all updates for the beta went through a week ago
[07:02] <macogw> the few days in between were them rolling the iso
[07:02] <dbmoodb> oh ....
[07:02] <Flannel> dbmoodb: apt-get dist-upgrade isn't a "version" upgrade, it just pulls in new packages with the old depends.  Like new kernel packages, and stuff.
[07:03] <telexicon> dbmoodb, cat /etc/lsb-release
[07:03] <dbmoodb> it doesn't say alpha ....
[07:04] <dbmoodb> just says development branch - that is why i was asking the "stupid question"
[07:06] <RAOF> dbmoodb: The "stupid question" part is mainly because the beta doesn't exist.  It's just a societal construct with no underlying reality.
[07:06] <macogw> hahahah
[07:06] <macogw> dbmoodb: dist-upgrade no longer exists in aptitude
[07:07] <dbmoodb> what ? no dist-upgrade
[07:07] <macogw> dbmoodb: they now call it safe-upgrade or full-upgrade
[07:07] <dbmoodb> but ... apt still exists and will be working for some time in ubuntu yeah ?
[07:07] <macogw> yeah
[07:07] <macogw> but aptitude changed the name, probably because its confusing
[07:07] <dbmoodb> eh ...
[07:07] <macogw> since sometimes kernels will be held back until you do a full upgrade even though you arent changing versions
[07:08] <dbmoodb> i find aptitude confusing enough, apt is just nice
[07:08] <dbmoodb> i thought the rule used to be no kernel updates unless asked ;)
[07:08] <macogw> ever notice how after an apt-get upgrade if you look at the gui updater there will sometimes be more packages left?
[07:09] <dbmoodb> no
[07:09] <macogw> well you only get the kernel updates if you do dist-upgrade with apt-get. that's fairly confusing since you're not intending to upgrade your distro, just your kernel, so aptitude renamed it full-upgrade
[07:09] <macogw> its what happens if there's a kernel update
[07:09] <macogw> as you said, no kernel updates unless asked
[07:09] <dbmoodb> apt-get dist-upgrade was for kernels no ?
[07:09] <dbmoodb> (and distro updates)
[07:10] <macogw> see? it did two different thing
[07:10] <macogw> s
[07:10] <macogw> if you're intending up update your kernel, but the command says it's a distro upgrade....
[07:12] <dbmoodb> oh
[07:14] <macogw> that could get confusing...makes you wonder if itll really do just the kernel or if its all gonna change or what
[07:14] <dbmoodb> ooo gstreamer doesn't like mt-daap music shares
[07:26] <kRush> uh, is there an easy way to uninstall nvidias binary driver (not the one from the repos)?
[07:26] <RAOF> kRush: Yes.  Pass --uninstall to the installer.
[07:27] <tnnc> is there anyone else that is having trouble with java running
[07:28] <kRush> well, it says in the readme that --uninstall will only revert to the previous state... so if I had another version before that it's pretty much useless, isn't it?
[07:29] <kRush> guess I'll give it a shot
[07:30] <tnnc> is there anyone else that is having trouble with java running
[07:32] <ysth1> the echo left
[08:05] <matt____> Is there a known issue with the sound support in 8.04? Just installed a bit ago and cannot get sound to work from my emu10k1 based card, never had an issue with past releases.
[08:14] <nikolam> matt____, try to post a bug about that
[08:15] <nikolam> oh, he quit, ah well..
[08:30] <Raspberry> I love how the numberpad on my keyboard quit working since the last set of updates
[08:30] <Raspberry> :)
[08:31] <Raspberry> the number lock key lights up and turns off
[08:31] <Raspberry> but the keys don't work
[08:31] <Raspberry> :P
[08:31] <mesilliac> It's part of hardy's "charm"
[08:32] <Raspberry> it's nice to see it gets more charming the more I know it
[08:33] <macogw> Raspberry: i think that happened after someone complained that turning on numlock on his desktop keyboard turned his letter keys into the numpad like on a laptop
[08:34] <enyc> Hrrrm... I'm getting screen-corruption on Ubuntu Hardy-8.04-Beta livecd with Intel 815 integrated graphics w.r.t. Mousepointer acceleration...
[09:23] <dr_evil> Düsseldorf begrüsst zu Ostersonntag seine Gäste - mit einer Radarfalle am Autobahnende A52 / Ortseingang
[09:25] <gluer> compiz causing 100% cpu, any ideas, was working fine this morning
[09:30] <clusty> grrrr. any ways to run vmware under hardy?
[09:30] <clusty> no tricks works to get the modules compiled with the hardy kernel
[09:35] <Raspberry> clusty: hmmm?
[09:36] <Raspberry> clusty: I had problems with modules using a machine I dist-upgraded today
[09:36] <Raspberry> I used synaptec and installed all generic and 386 module packages for the .24 kernel and that fixed it w/o a reboot even :)
[09:37] <clusty> Raspberry, which packages are those?
[09:37] <Raspberry> clusty: it's not that hard... just look
[09:37] <vistakiller> adept is still very bad programme
[09:37] <vistakiller> is break my system before one minute and after it crash :P
[09:37] <Raspberry> vistakiller: agreed, I had to do the dist-upgrade with update-manager because adept kept crashing
[09:37] <vistakiller> i recovery my system from synaptic
[09:38] <Raspberry> vistakiller: even though I was running KDE
[09:38] <vistakiller> i run kde and i use synaptic
[09:38] <vistakiller> i dont know why they keep it
[09:39] <dbmood1> keep what ?
[09:39] <clusty> Raspberry, how are the module packages called?
[09:40] <dbmood1> adept ... isn't that what we are moving towards ?
[09:42] <vistakiller> dbmood1 they must put a warning for adept
[09:42] <vistakiller> is danger for the system
[09:43] <vistakiller> today it break one package
[09:43]  * DanaG uses aptitude for most stuff.
[09:43] <vistakiller> and the package was very important
[09:43] <vistakiller> if i was a new user
[09:43] <dbmood1> was it apt by any chance ?
[09:43] <vistakiller> no because i recover it from synaptic
[09:44] <vistakiller> and the joke that is crashing after the message that some package is break
[09:50] <_Zandro_> to early to ask questions? seems awfully quiet here :P
[09:52] <_Zandro_> Have anyone in here had problems with widesceen resolutions in Hardy?
[09:52] <Lorvija_> Heya.. i just upgraded to beta and noticed one slight prob... my mouse isnt working.. where could i find some kind of bug db so i could check if it's reported..?
[09:52] <maxxer> hi. why I cannot access anymore my gphoto2 camera?
[09:52] <maxxer> i can only by root
[09:53] <maxxer> but i cannot find the appropriate udev rule
[09:53] <Raspberry> wow all the codecs are screwed up now
[09:53] <maxxer> (i also have problems with nvidia and glx, but that's another story)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: what package, and how did it die?
[09:53] <Raspberry> this beta was more like an alpha
[09:54] <_Zandro_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[09:54] <vistakiller> i dont remember the name was from today update
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: and how many unofficial packages were you using in gutsy?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: try to be more helpful.
[09:54] <vistakiller> nothing :P
[09:54] <vistakiller> sorry i dont rember but it has depence with nvidia driver nv
[09:55] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: hey dingbat ... I'm on Hardy and I've been running Hardy since Alpha2 w/o issue  -- so take your newb attitude somewhere lese
[09:55] <Raspberry> else
[09:55] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: that might be why then.
[09:55] <Raspberry> I'm not running any unofficial packages in Hardy
[09:55] <Raspberry> and everything was working fine for the last 4 weeks
[09:55] <Lorvija_> _Zandro_:  duh i need to login? :/
[09:55] <vistakiller> me too but i have my system upgrade from feisty
[09:56] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: hmm
[09:56] <Raspberry> and they give people ops with your attitude
[09:56] <vistakiller> Come on Raspberry is open source
[09:57] <Hobbsee> funny, insulting people usually *isnt* a good idea.
[09:57] <DarkMageZ> Raspberry, you noticed that the gstreamer packages got updated recently right? that might be a good place to start tracing your problem down.
[09:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, something interesting about that Load Cycle issue: it also happens under OS X (call it a "hackintosh" if you wish).
[09:57] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: i'd be interested in knowing what that was, if you could reproduce it.  it may be important.
[09:57] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: i thought you made the insulting comment first
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: i asked a question.  if you call that insulting, i can't help you.
[09:57] <vistakiller> how can i see the last update was one lib
[09:58] <dns53> i did have some problems now you mention it, i uninstalled the bad and ugly and reinstalled them to fix it
[09:58] <Raspberry> DarkMageZ: I guess I'll run the 51 updates that have been added in the last 12 hrs :P
[09:58] <_Zandro_> no one with widescreens in here?
[09:58] <vistakiller> me
[09:58] <psylem> my upgrade failed due to a bug, how can I be sure that the upgrade has been rolled back before I attempt to reboot?
[09:58] <DarkMageZ> Raspberry, you don't know how often that unofficial crap breaks systems. it's a highly valid question ッ
[09:59] <DarkMageZ> psylem, was it the one with the language pack? just rerun the update. it'll be fine.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: see /var/log/dpkg.log
[09:59] <vistakiller> ok
[09:59] <Hobbsee> psylem: which bug?
[09:59] <psylem> no it was bug #205079
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205079 in glibc "kubuntu Hardy Heron could not install libc6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205079
[09:59] <Raspberry> DarkMageZ: well the whole point of alpha and beta testing is testing within the limitations of the system -- so adding outside packages would defeat the purpose
[09:59] <_Zandro_> 1440x900 doesnt work as it should with the default vesa driver
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: you'd be surprised at how many people do it anyway :(
[10:00] <Raspberry> I know -- but lets' not assume everybody is an idiot first -- I've been in here (until I was kickeD) for about 24hrs solid helping people fix these annoying kernel module issues and wireless issues
[10:00] <Raspberry> ... which makes me a bit testy :P
[10:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: what's the greatest problem with wifi that you've been seeing?
[10:01] <_Zandro_> this is how it looks after 1st boot http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/_Zandro_/DSCF0163.jpg the resolution is correct and all, but if i switch to 1024x768 and back again it looks like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/_Zandro_/DSCF0164.jpg
[10:01] <Hobbsee> psylem: you might want to answer michael, if you can.
[10:01] <_Zandro_> i have to do that every time i boot
[10:02] <Raspberry> either kernel modules aren't loading after a dist-upgrade (but worked fine with live Cd testing, which is why people upgraded) or  broadcom and realtek users needing ndiswrapper
[10:02] <dns53> madwifi does not work with the current kernel version for me on my eeepc but i am not concerned at the moment
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: aren't loading due to no lrm/lum, or?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: ndiswrapper.  bah humbug :)
[10:02] <DarkMageZ> hmm... realtek users shouldn't need ndiswrapper... they're generally good with their opensource drivers.
[10:02] <Raspberry> the dist-upgrade isn't installing the ubuntu-module packages for the kernel
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: damn, so that is hitting again.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: l-u-m or l-r-rm?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> -r
[10:03] <Raspberry> I upgraded my pristine Gutsy box just to test people's problems and my ipw2200 wouldn't work after the dist-upgrade
[10:03] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: I have no idea
[10:03] <dbmoodb> Raspberry: welcome to the club, i learnt the hard way you have to be nice and good when saying anything on any ubuntu channel. you are often representing more than your self -- or can impact on others at least
[10:03] <Belisarivs> Hi. Where can I report bugs in Hardy?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> !bug | Belisarivs
[10:03] <ubotu> Belisarivs: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:04] <DarkMageZ> i'd be surprised if l-r-m didn't fall out of sync atleast once during the alpha/beta stages =D
[10:04] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: that's a two way street -- especially when I get attitude from the people asking me the questions
[10:04] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: it does, but i dont think this is the problem
[10:04] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: I fixed my box right after the dist-upgrade by installing the remaining generic and 386 kernel module packages... nothing else
[10:04] <Belisarivs> Thanks, I'm already registered at launchpad. But I failed to find how to report bugs for Hardy so it isn't confused with gutsy.
[10:05] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: then I could modprobe the ipw2200 package and iwconfig then showed my eth0 was linked to the wireless card
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: i'm wondering why you don't seem to get linux-generic installed.
[10:05] <dbmoodb> put a tag hardy [hardy] ... is probably a good way in the summary
[10:05] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: part of it was and part of it wasn't
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Belisarivs: they don't get separated into distros
[10:05] <vistakiller> i cant find it sorry :(
[10:05] <vistakiller> i dont remember what package was
OK. Thanks.
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: afaik, the upgrader *should* be adding that package while checking for u-d
[10:06] <vistakiller> but i recovery it when i reinstall it from synaptic
[10:08] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: well I don't think it is ... at least not correctly... quite a few (at least 5 or 6 that I remember talking with) people were in here with broken wireless
[10:08] <Raspberry> I'm sure there were more as I was on and off the computer and trying to work :P
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: mmmkay, i'll try to get in touch wiht mvo about it
[10:08] <Hobbsee> (when it's not a public holiday)
[10:09] <Raspberry> well this is the bug I attached my comment to... althought I think it's a bigger issue... Bug #180544
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[10:09] <Raspberry> that reminds me ... the sound card (intel ac'97) wasn't working either
[10:09] <Raspberry> but just installing the module packages fixed that too
[10:10] <Raspberry> lots of UNCLAIMED devices after the dist-upgrade when running lshw
[10:10] <dbmoodb> that's weird my intel ac-97 is working...
[10:10] <Raspberry> mine works now too
[10:11] <dbmoodb> what did you change ?
[10:11] <psy> my connection seems unreliable at the moment, was there a solution for me?
[10:11] <Raspberry> I just had to install the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 package after the dist upgrade
[10:11] <Raspberry> from gutsy to hardy
[10:11] <dbmoodb> oh.... i did that but without realising i had sound problems most likely (one of the first things i did)
[10:11] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: fresh installs of Hardy work fine
[10:12] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: reminding people to install that package should be immediately added to the dist-upgrade web page at least until the problem gets fixed because havign people run that fixed a LOT of issues today
[10:14] <Raspberry> I have 13 broken packages on my system now :P
[10:14] <Raspberry> the new package manager has an attitude
[10:14] <Raspberry> I get a black circle with a dash through it
[10:14] <dbmoodb> well Raspberry i would rather (personally) a note is added but for people to see what happens without it
[10:14] <_Zandro_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs found the bug list for hardy heron
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ...so, fix them, and file bugs about the ones that really are broken?  That's not going to help your system...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> _Zandro_: there are more than that
[10:15] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: they're not getting wireless or sound and they're posting lots of forum questions and coming in here... that's what is happening without it
[10:15] <_Zandro_> more than what 115 bugs?
[10:16] <dbmoodb> dude you don't just add stuff to make the problem vanish you see what the problem is and try to fix it
[10:16] <dbmoodb> -- that is what i think personally
[10:16] <Hobbsee> _Zandro_: yes.  most bugs arent' listed as hardy.
[10:16] <Raspberry> just send more civilians in until we can pinpoint the snipers' location :)
[10:16] <DanaG> anybody else read 'libgomp' as 'libglomp
[10:17] <DanaG> ' like I did?
[10:17] <dbmoodb> these are not civilians, if you come to beta you are no longer a civilian in my view
[10:17] <DanaG> (sorry, I aimed for apostrophe and hit enter instead.)
[10:17] <locomo> omg keyboard layout switching still not work OMFG
[10:17] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: you must know this many commands to install beta :P  we should have a quiz during the installer
[10:18] <_Zandro_> well i know that there are problems from previous releases, and problems that arent tagged to hardy
[10:18] <dbmoodb> well it involves a few to start with so why not ?
[10:18] <dbmoodb> rofl
[10:18] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: like the guy earlier -- he said his stuff was broken and I told him to install the kernel module package for his kernel ... and he said what's that ... and I explained and he asked how and I said synaptec and he said what's that?
[10:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how do you activate language packs?
[10:19] <vistakiller> Raspberry try to reinstall the break packages
[10:20] <Raspberry> ?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: that's the reason i tend to avoid here after the 4th alpha or os.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: just to avoid the silly questions
[10:20] <Hobbsee> like dbmoodb's from earlier.
[10:20] <Raspberry> it was fine until beta was released
[10:20] <vistakiller> you said that you have break package
[10:20] <Raspberry> then that was like somebody fired the starting gun
[10:20] <Raspberry> or something
[10:21] <dbmoodb> oi my question wasn't stupid without remark
[10:21] <Hobbsee> yeah.  i'm still surprised about how many are still downloading.
[10:21] <Raspberry> vistakiller: the language-en -- I forced it
[10:21] <Raspberry> prior to beta it was a pretty good conversation level in here... we could troubleshoot things ... now it's just people screaming stuff is broken and how they needed it fixed yesterday
[10:22] <dbmoodb> --- lets all move to ubuntu+2 then ?
[10:22] <vistakiller> i dont have something break
[10:22] <_Zandro_> well i dont need things fixed, i just need to know if anyone expirienced the same problems that i have had :P
[10:22] <Raspberry> right
[10:22] <Raspberry> which is why I'm in here most of the time
[10:23] <Raspberry> anybody seen <this behavior>?   you have ... ok ... or no?  ok, I'll search and or register a bug
[10:24] <_Zandro_> well or a an alternative way to get around it ;)
[10:24] <Raspberry> I do have to say ... other than these crazy breaks the last week -- I think Hardy is by far more stable and usable than Gutsy
[10:24] <_Zandro_> yeah ive only had 3 problems so far
[10:25] <DanaG> How do you activate language packs?
[10:25] <vistakiller> i have only some small problems with hardy
[10:25] <Raspberry> DanaG: I wish I knew
[10:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, another random note: Firefox 3.0 now only looks good in Linux.
[10:25] <vistakiller> what package you want DanaG?
[10:25] <Raspberry> DanaG: Administration -> Language Packs
[10:26] <Raspberry> ?
[10:26] <DanaG> The Windows and OS X versions have been beaten with the "ugly stick"
[10:26] <DanaG> They're quite ugly.
[10:26] <Raspberry> DanaG: I mean ... System Menu -> Administration -> Language Support
[10:26] <vistakiller> some programmes like adept is not working but that programmes never work :P
[10:26] <DanaG> I installed Japanese (even though I don't actually know the language) for the sake of curiosity.
[10:27] <DanaG> But, I don't know how to switch my user's language settings.
[10:27] <vistakiller>  System Menu -> Administration -> Language Support
[10:27] <DanaG> That's not per-user.
[10:27] <Raspberry> DanaG: install SCIM packages
[10:27] <DanaG> That's only input method.
[10:27] <dns53> in gdm you select the language
[10:27] <DanaG> Right?\
[10:28] <DanaG> Oh, in GDM... I never knew that.  Cool!
[10:28] <DanaG> That admin panel really should note that:
[10:28] <bazhang> for alternate languages I click inside the box I want to type and select input method that does it for most apps
[10:28] <_Zandro_> Problems so far: 1. F-spot is uanble to import images from my fujifilm F40Fd    2. widescreen resolutions with vesa generic driver doesnt work 100% 3. installing video drivers still a pain in the ass.
[10:28] <DanaG> "Once you've installed a new language pack, you can choose to use it by clicking 'language' at the login screen."
[10:28] <bazhang> Chinese, Japanese for example
[10:28] <DanaG> It seriously needs that sort of note.
[10:29] <bazhang> 葉御
[10:29]  * DanaG goes off to try Japanese UI, just for the heck of it.
[10:29] <bazhang> like that
[10:29] <dns53> might be useful
[10:30] <bazhang> tis if you write Japanese and Chinese ;]
[10:31] <_Zandro_> in languages that have several variants just ticking off the main variant doesnt cover all the translations
[10:31] <gaminggeek> hmm flash 9 in epiphany 'causes crashes
[10:31] <Raspberry> ok now I've got a weird problem
[10:32] <_Zandro_> i norwegian you have to tick off both "norwegian" and" norwegian bokmaal" to get all the translations
[10:32] <Raspberry> if I play a video in VLC or Gstreamer ... the audio works, but the video doesn't
[10:32] <_Zandro_> any type of video?
[10:32] <Raspberry> BUT... if I keep playing the video in Totem and then open it in VLC while it's still playing in Totem -- it plays fine in VLC ... and Visa Versa
[10:32] <Raspberry> mpeg video
[10:32] <dns53> you using compiz ?
[10:32] <Raspberry> no
[10:32] <DanaG> Yay, Japanese UI.
[10:33] <DanaG> That's amusing, since I don't KNOW japanese... but that'd be a good way to force myself to use it, once I started learning it for a class.
[10:34] <DanaG> OOOoh, and it's also a good way to discover un-localized things.
[10:34] <DanaG> Examples: pulseaudio apps, SimpleBackup, and some other things.
[10:34] <DanaG> (03時34分26秒) verb3k [n=verb@77.31.162.236] が部屋に入りました。
[10:34] <DanaG> What format is that time in?
[10:35] <verb3k> Is that a Chinese font?
[10:35] <DanaG> Japanese.
[10:36] <DanaG> I don't actually know the language; I'm just having fun with the language pack.
[10:36] <verb3k> artwork :)
[10:36] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: im going to install VLC and try myself
[10:37] <DanaG> Oh hey, the Wiki doesn't have the source for the latest revised wallpaper.
[10:37] <Raspberry> actually seems like the problem is with Windows Media Video
[10:37] <user5> hello wath's up
[10:37] <verb3k> guys Hardy gives me 800x600 while my machine is capable of more than that>>>can anyone help?
[10:37] <user5> today
[10:38] <Raspberry> verb3k: did you upgrade from another version of Ubuntu?
[10:38] <verb3k> Raspberry, no, clean beta install
[10:38] <bazhang> verb3k: what video card
[10:38] <Raspberry> hmmm strange... video card?
[10:39] <verb3k> Raspberry, I have Nvidia graphics card
[10:39] <user5> tray to clean /.kde
[10:39] <Raspberry> ah
[10:39] <bazhang> verb3k: what drivers how isntalled
[10:39] <Raspberry> verb3k: have you installed the restricted driver?
[10:39]  * DanaG is now going to bed.... at 3:39AM.
[10:39] <verb3k> bazhang, The official drivers from "Hardware Drivers" menu
[10:39] <Raspberry> 5:39am here
[10:39] <DanaG> I've been messing around in OS X on my laptop, but I still prefer Ubuntu by far.
[10:39] <KrimZon> will installing the rt kernel improve sound latency without making any other changes?
[10:40] <bazhang> verb3k: did you reconfigure your xerver-xorg?
[10:40] <DanaG> And it's also presented something interesting: even OS X has the "repeatedly load-cycles hard drive" issue!
[10:40] <kebinusan> I dislike totem, it always hangs when opening some of my mkv files
[10:40] <verb3k> bazhang, no, is that the solution?
[10:40] <user5> restart in recovery mode and tray option restartX
[10:40] <bazhang> verb3k: worth a shot; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:41] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: VLC just crashes on me if i try to play anything
[10:41] <verb3k> bazhang, ok, give me a minute to do that
[10:41] <kebinusan> Zandro, I compiled one of the nightly builds yesterday when I found out they had pulseaudio support
[10:41] <DanaG> Odd: look at the tooltip in Japanese for gparted in menu: the tooltip is untranslated.
[10:41] <bazhang> verb3k: then restart to make the changes
[10:41] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: yeah something is going on
[10:41] <verb3k> bazhang, ok
[10:41] <bazhang> verb3k: after making them that is
[10:41] <Raspberry> anyobdy want to recommend a codec package to use with amd64 to play wmv?
[10:42] <verb3k> bazhang, ok :)
[10:42] <bazhang> medibuntu win32codecs dont work Raspberry?
[10:42] <_Zandro_> No wait, WMV files work for me
[10:42] <Raspberry> that's so odd...
[10:42] <kebinusan> xine doesnt seem to play well with PA for me  yet
[10:42] <verb3k> bazhang, should I answer the questions by choosing default answers?
[10:42] <bazhang> verb3k: mostly yes let me find a link
[10:42] <Raspberry> it won't play the video with the first player... no matter what it is .. but if a second player starts playing wmv while another player is playing wmv ... it plays fine
[10:42] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[10:42] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:42] <DanaG> handy site.
[10:43] <Raspberry> medibuntu kinda throws off my testing :)
[10:43] <dns53> i like the commercial fluendo codecs for wmv
[10:43] <bazhang> verb3k: that should do, cant find the link atm; will be back in about a half hour if you need more help
[10:43] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: yes i have managed to simulate the same problem you have
[10:43] <verb3k> bazhang, ok, thanks for your time :)
[10:43] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: isn't that odd
[10:44] <_Zandro_> yes very
[10:44] <bazhang> no worries verb3k ;]
[10:44] <_Zandro_> i have to start up tomtem and play the same file before i start VLC and try it there
[10:45] <kebinusan> you dont get video in vlc unless you start totem first?
[10:45] <_Zandro_> yep
[10:45] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: what package should we register this bug against?  gstreamer?  it's strange
[10:46] <kebinusan> you could try kaffeine or some other player that lets you switch between gstreamer and xine
[10:46] <Raspberry> ok
[10:47] <Raspberry> to narrow it down some more
[10:47] <Raspberry> Windows MEdia Video version 9 seems to work fine in either player
[10:47] <_Zandro_> sounds like an idea
[10:47] <_Zandro_> yeah same here
[10:47] <Raspberry> Version 7 has issues though
[10:48] <Raspberry> divx works fine... mpeg works fine...
[10:48] <Raspberry> Windows MEdia Version 8 works fine
[10:48] <verb3k> bazhang, it worked!
[10:48] <verb3k> bazhang, thanks a lot :)
[10:49] <Raspberry> it's crazy to see the saturation / brightness difference playing the same wmv in Totem and VLC
[10:49] <Raspberry> you'd think the WMV files would contain that kind of metadata
[10:49] <kebinusan> Raspberry: nvidia?
[10:49] <kebinusan> err do you have an nvidia card?
[10:50] <Raspberry> no
[10:50] <Raspberry> intel X3100
[10:50] <Raspberry> I have another machine still running gutsy (one of the 4 ubuntu machines in the office) with an Nvidia card
[10:51] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: do you get sound in VLC wmv that you start after Totem?
[10:51] <kebinusan> ah, there is a setting for xvideo in nvidia-settings.  I had screwed that up somehow made my videos play super dark most of the time
[10:51] <Raspberry> Totem the sound works but the video is screwed up
[10:51] <Raspberry> and VLC I get the video w/o sound
[10:52] <verb3k> Raspberry, try mplayer
[10:52] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: nvrmind ... while the video was playing, I went into Settings, Preferences, Audio, Output Modules, ALSA then clicked SAVE and the sound started
[10:52] <kebinusan> vlc doesnt support pulseaudio so you may need to change some settings to get audio to work
[10:53] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: no i didnt get sound in VLC
[10:53] <_Zandro_> just video
[10:53] <Raspberry> mplayer just crashes about 8 diff ways :P either -vo or -ao issues
[10:53] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: try that "save" of preferences and see if the sound starts back up w/o having to restrt the vid
[10:54] <Raspberry> something else interesting ... as long as I keep swapping videos without letting one stop it keeps playing them fine
[10:54] <Raspberry> in VLC
[10:55] <Raspberry> audio and video
[10:56] <kebinusan> try starting vlc from a command line as 'padsp vlc' and setting the sound output to oss
[10:56] <kebinusan> *shrugs*
[10:57] <[mbm]> its worth noting that vlc uses its own builtin codecs
[10:57] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: no VLC is still palys without sound wjen i try that
[10:57] <_Zandro_> *when
[10:58] <kebinusan> I couldnt get the included version of vlc or any video player to work reliably for me in hardy tbh
[10:59] <[mbm]> and that the color is often applied late in the decoding process, causing some codecs to incorrectly aplly more and more color, increasing the saturation as the file plays
[10:59] <[mbm]> (atleast until a key frame occurs)
[11:01] <Raspberry> i can even open 1 vlc that garbles the video and then open a second windowe that works fine
[11:02] <[mbm]> ah, hardware video acceleration
[11:02] <_Zandro_> isnt intel supposed to have good support in linux?
[11:02] <_Zandro_> stable drivers and all
[11:02] <dns53> it has open souce drivers that can do opengl
[11:03] <Raspberry> the drivers are open... they'trrejust buggy :)
[11:03] <[mbm]> open the vlc prefs, click the advanced checkbox in the bottom corner then go see was the video output is set to
[11:04] <Raspberry> [mbm]: default
[11:04] <[mbm]> video acceleration is somewhat quirky under intel, particularly if you use compiz
[11:04] <dns53> you can have problems playing video and using comiz
[11:05] <Raspberry> compiz is off
[11:05] <[mbm]> Raspberry: play around with the outer values; they will take effect the next time a video is played
[11:05] <[mbm]> er, other values
[11:05] <[mbm]> x
[11:06] <oxigen> oOo, need to download new gcc, any known problems with it? :P
[11:06] <_Zandro_> i catually run VESA for the moment, so no hw acceleration. Thats why i didnt expirience the garbled video
[11:06] <[mbm]> xvideo or gl give the best performance but are the most likely to fail
[11:06] <[mbm]> vesa? ouch
[11:07] <_Zandro_> hehe i know
[11:07] <_Zandro_> but it works
[11:07] <[mbm]> also - hardy has switched the x accel from xaa to exa, breaking some platforms
[11:07] <_Zandro_> having a dual core processor works, AMD Athlon X2 6400+ FTW
[11:08] <_Zandro_> but load is somewhat high :P
[11:08] <[mbm]> if you read the 'man intel' theres a setting for using xaa on intel
[11:11] <[mbm]> typical exa corruption with intel cards moves the scanlines so a picture is in horzontal strips scattered across the screen
[11:13] <[mbm]> </random trivia> :)
[11:16] <_Zandro_> hmm tried to install my ATI card in hardy heron but everything seems to fail
[11:16] <_Zandro_> either white screen or a black one after login
[11:16] <_Zandro_> tried disabeling compiz too, as it seems to be enabled automaticly in hardy heron
[11:17]  * Dr_willis is glad the ATI promises of better linux support is comming along.....
[11:17] <Dr_willis>  /sarcasm off
[11:17] <[mbm]> _Zandro_: check the xorg logs
[11:21] <_Zandro_> by the way i tried envyNG too
[11:21] <Dr_willis> that may of put things in a state that may be hard to recover from.
[11:21] <Dr_willis> A lot will depend on the exact video card also.
[11:22] <_Zandro_> i got a Ati radeon hd2900
[11:22] <_Zandro_> but when envy failed i just uninstalled it from the command line and everything was fine again
[11:25] <evildead> hello all
[11:25] <evildead> since i have upgraded to hardy, my touchpad and usb mouse freez regularly
[11:25] <evildead> Mar 23 11:57:57 evildead-laptop kernel: [  103.114801] psmouse.c: GlidePoint at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away.
[11:25] <evildead> Mar 23 11:58:01 evildead-laptop kernel: [  106.724712] psmouse.c: resync failed, issuing reconnect request
[11:26]  * [mbm] hasn't used an ati card recently - stopped buying them when I noticed hardware acceleration didn't work with highres video and resulted in pink areas
[11:27] <[mbm]> (kind of a problem for someone who works with hdtv streams on a daily basis)
[11:28] <_Zandro_> why cant they just update the ati driver version in the restricted manager?
[11:28] <[mbm]> I'm really curious if they've fixed the glitch in newer hardware or drivers
[11:29] <Dr_willis> _Zandro_,  you could always try installing the ati drivers from ati manually.
[11:29] <zniavre> !launchpad
[11:29] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[11:29] <finalbeta> I'm about to upgrade, any major breakage I should know about?
[11:29] <_Zandro_> hehe i tried that "1000" page long ati installer instrucion at ubuntu forums, a waste of time
[11:31] <_Zandro_> i found out that just downloading the ati drivers and running it in the console does the same thing
[11:31] <Dr_willis> _Zandro_,  its proberly out of date also with 10000+ useless comments like 'works for me' and 'it dident work'
[11:31] <finalbeta> hardly useless :P
[11:32] <_Zandro_> Dr_willis: spot on
[11:33] <dns53> what is the upgrade path from 6.10 to 8.4?
[11:33] <Dr_willis> wow.. My fileserver has 19 days of uptime. :)
[11:33]  * Dr_willis wonders why it says 6 users.
[11:34] <Dr_willis>  07:33:21 up 19 days, 12:13,  6 users,  load average: 0.32, 0.31, 0.38
[11:34] <_Zandro_> hardly something to pop the champagne for :P
[11:34] <Dr_willis> for this machine it is.
[11:34] <_Zandro_> is it a intel 088 or something? ^^
[11:34] <Dr_willis> its just getting old.
[11:35] <Dr_willis> i still wonder where that # of users come from
[11:36] <[mbm]> dns53: officially? go through every LTS or reinstall. upgrading directly isn't recommended
[11:36] <Dr_willis> it seems to be me on pts/0 through pts/6 and tty7
[11:37] <_Zandro_> well im now going to try to install the ati drivers *again* ( not that i think that it will fare better then last time)
[11:47] <HetaUma> any1 else got errors with gcc-base dependencies after latest upgrade?
[11:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Is cdimage.ubuntu.com dead?
[11:51] <HetaUma> it works here
[11:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Even the daily directories? When I click to them the browser just sits and waits
[11:52] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, it just came back
[11:53] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: it's working very hard, i ssupect
[11:53] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, I avoided it when beta was announced for just that reason :)
[11:57] <kebinusan> HetaUma: yeah, I just unchecked the lang pack, installed everything else first and it seemed to work the second time
[11:59] <KalEl> hi, my monitor doesn't sleep anymore since i installed hardy. is this because of the pre-release version of xorg?
[12:03] <telexicon> have they fixed the input auto-configuration issues with hardy?
[12:11] <bazhang> verb3k you get the better resolution you wanted?
[12:15] <stefg> Hi, i've got a small glitch with thumbnails in nautilus not showing for .avi-files. The funny thing is that if i change the extension .avi to something different (like foo.video) suddenly the thumbnail appears, and stays even if i rename the file back to foo.avi. i noticed that the mime-type changes in nautilus' properties dialog. Anyone able to point me to some reading about mime-type...
[12:15] <stefg> ...handling and the nuatilus thumbnailer ?
[12:16] <hetauma> emerald in hardy doesn't download automaticly a collection of themes?
[12:17] <howefield> didn't for me either
[12:18] <gregory> stefg: i just found a switch for that: gconf-editor: -> desktop -> gnome thumbnailers video@x-avi something for the beginning
[12:18] <howefield> had to install `em from a .deb file
[12:18] <stefg> gregory: thy, let me try that ...t
[12:20] <hetauma> howefield: from ubuntu repos or u downloaded it ?
[12:20] <DarphBobo> dun think it's hardy related.. it didn;t install themes in gutsy for me either
[12:21] <howefield> got the link from ubuntu website
[12:21] <hetauma> DarphBobo: but in gutsy it had another tab with repos where you could automaticly download a quite good collection of themes
[12:22] <howefield> http://mirror.x10.com/mirror/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald-themes/
[12:24] <m1r> hello
[12:24] <hetauma> howefield: ty
[12:25] <howefield> another page with more is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald/
[12:26] <stefg> gregory: i already toggled that switch, and emptied the .thumbnail dir... doesn't help. what i observe is that nautilus doesn't even try to thumbnail the .avi's, possibly because of a mime-type misconfiguration. it says application/x-extension-avi for files with the .avi-extender, but video/x-msvideo for files that contain .avi, but aren't called so. So my guess is that it's a typo in some...
[12:26] <stefg> ...conf-file that i need to track down
[12:27] <m1r> i have little problem with wireless adapter, on 7.10 it was working out of the box and on 8.04 it seems that it wroking but after 5 seconds after it conects to network, it drops. apapter is siemens gigaset usb 54 : Bus 001 Device 002: ID 083a:4521 Accton Technology Corp. now, is it posible to put old drivers in from 7.10 or someway to make this thing work again... ?
[12:27] <gregory> stefg: hmm, you already checked launchpad?
[12:27] <hetauma> howefield: ok I installed the themes I can browse them through emerald but can't "activate" them
[12:27] <howefield> try typing in terminal  emerald --replace
[12:28] <stefg> gregory: yup... google had some posts with similar problems in hardy, but the not a real solution ... people just reinstalled and the prob went away for them. I don't want to reinstall :-)
[12:28] <hetauma> oh ty
[12:29] <gregory> stefg: when you first viewed the switch, was it enabled?
[12:30] <jessica> hi i have got my wireless working but only on unsercure networks when the networks are sercure it dose not connect is there any reason why this could be happerning i have a Realtek RTL8187B and im using the windows 98 driver in ndiswrapper
[12:30] <stefg> Yes, thumbnailing was enabled. I switched off, deleted .thumbnails, logged out, logged in, switched back on, logged out, logged in again. So waht i would need is a read about mime-type handling in hardy
[12:31] <stefg> the actual thumbnailer works, it seems nautilus doesn't take an .avi as a 'thumbnailable' file .
[12:38] <jessica> hi i have got my wireless working but only on unsercure networks when the networks are sercure it dose not connect is there any reason why this could be happerning i have a Realtek RTL8187B and im using the windows 98 driver in ndiswrapper
[12:41] <m1r> i got this reply on usb wlan drop : message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get. ---> 1: host_name ; 2: nis_domain ; 3: interface_mtu . and after this i get message wlan0: link is not ready
[12:42] <Ibback> Hi there. I recently upgraded to hardy from gutsy and i encountered a couple of problem, firstly compiz is not working and system->application->software sources is not running ( meaning it will not appeared on screen ) and the update manager is not working properly in that when i run it it say that only partial upgrade is allowed and when i click on it, it then return the error "Cannot not upgrade' can not upgrade from hardy to gutsy using this tool"....can s
[12:45] <Ibback> Helllooooooooo.....can some kind sould pls help.....thank in advance....
[12:47] <howefield> Ibback: can't help much other than suggest a clean install, I am assuming you didn't upgrade in this way ?
[12:51] <jin> how to NOT use pulseaudio?
[12:52] <jessica> i need help wiht my wireless
[12:52] <jessica> i carnt connect to networks with encription
[12:52] <jessica> they have to be open
[12:52] <cwillu> jin, why would you want to do that?
[12:54] <KalEl> my computer's monitor won't sleep... how can i troubleshoot this problem? is there any way to force gpm to make it sleep for troubleshooting?
[12:54] <jin> cwillu: because whenever I do something that's a litle bit cpu intensive, I get weird sound ... "rr"
[12:54] <KalEl> yeah... i get it all the time when i play a 3d game after i installed the graphics card!
[12:55] <jin> KalEl: sound problem?
[12:55] <KalEl> yeah the "rr" sound... not sure where it comes from though
[12:55] <KalEl> definitely from somewhere within the cabinet
[12:56] <jin> I think it's pulseaudio fault...  on Feisty sound works perfect
[12:57] <KalEl> oh for me it was there with gutsy also - only when i started celestia or neverball and the likes
[12:58] <Loevborg> Anyone familiar with the Hibernate/Suspend system in hardy?
[12:59] <KalEl> for some reason, i don't see a Suspend in hardy - only Hibernate
[12:59] <Loevborg> I found out, after much mindless debugging, that /etc/acpi/sleep.sh isn't used any more, when using the "sleep button".
[12:59] <cwillu> jin, turning off sound mixing from the system menu should do it
[13:00] <stefg> gregory: Foe your interest: i found the problem. :-) For some reason there was a ~/.local/share/mime/application/x-extension file which kept nautilus from properly handiing -avi as video. No ideo how it got there, but i simply deleted it, and now it works :-)
[13:01] <gregory> stefg: great, if you dont mind submit an issue in launchpad
[13:01] <cwillu> jin, I'd personally be more inclined to blame alsa; usually pulseaudio glitches sound more like dropped audio, or clips playing half a second late
[13:09] <Ibback> howefield. can you tell me where i can download hardy iso please?
[13:10] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta Ibback
[13:11] <Ibback> bazhang. How come in wiki and not in ubuntu home itself...for yr info, i was there trying to download but the link is dead
[13:11] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ or here Ibback
[13:12] <locomo> where is tracking for nv driver? do you think 8800 GTS support will be in 8.04 release? 8800 GT added a while back
[13:13] <locomo> you=anybody
[13:13] <howefield> Ibback: ubuntu homepage links seem fine
[13:13] <jin> cwillu: now I don't even get sound, parts drop out
[13:14] <jin> I am encoding a video tho. but even so, it should not drop parts of the output
[13:16] <chowder> how do I send error messages?
[13:16] <jindal2> hi guys, a problem .. earlier i remove cupsys from autostart using update-rc.d -f remove ..... cupsys was just upgraded and it was autmatically relinked rc*.d
[13:16] <chowder> cause i know that hardy is still in development and I'm running the beta right now
[13:16] <jindal2> is this a bug?
[13:17] <chowder> I'd just like to contribute, I want to kno if there's a way to send a bug report to canonical
[13:17] <rinaldi_> hi when I try to update an app or create an alias for ndiswrapper by using ndiswrapper -m i get "update modules command is depreciated ubuntu" and I shouldn't use it. is this normal?
[13:17] <Ibback> Howefield. I am using acer laptop running AMD Turion 64 MObile technology so do i download PC ( Intel x86 ) or 64bit PC (AMD64)?
[13:17] <jindal2> chowder, ubuntu bugzilla
 where do I get that?
[13:17] <keltren> hya - can anyone tell me how i can pass the module param "pb_fnmode=2" to the hid module on bootup?
[13:17] <jindal2> on web
[13:18] <chowder> problem is that somtimes apps crash with no error report whatsoever
[13:18] <locomo> !bug
[13:18] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[13:19] <howefield> Ibback: I'd say either would do your system, your choice, I steer clear of the 64 bit to be honest, but ymmv
[13:19] <coz_> any issues with current updates  before i mess things up :)
[13:20] <howefield> Ibback: only from the point of view that it can be difficult getting third party stuff to work
[13:20] <Ibback> Hi there chowder. I am planning on installing hardy...how do u find it friend?
[13:21] <KalEl> 1) Xorg taking up a lot of CPU cycles 2) monitor doesn't go to suspend 3) closing tomboy issues false warning of a crash
[13:21] <KalEl> other than that it's fine
[13:21] <Ibback> howefied. Thank you ...
[13:22] <gluer> when i use firefox and try and open hotmail, sometimes my screen goes blank and i have to power off, any idea??
[13:22] <howefield> use gmail instead :P
[13:23] <J-_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60723/ I just updated to 143 new updates, I just got this update error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60723/ what does it mean?
[13:23] <gluer> lol i use both
[13:23] <J-_> Hopefully no conflict
[13:24] <gluer> another problem which i noticed today since some updates is that my cpu is maxed out at 100% when running compiz
[13:24] <J-_> 5 packages broken
[13:24] <m1r> anyone having problem with upgrading F-spot ?
[13:24] <J-_> we shall see after these install
[13:29] <jin> seems I can't play my music while encoding videos :(
[13:30] <locomo> what is purpoise of gnome system monitor to show cpu load if it show not real cpu load, but cpu load which is derived from gnome system monitor showing cpu load? lol. you know, like 25%
[13:30] <_kavOOr_> ftp://59.96.20.7/hardy%20beta%20error.png please have a look. this happened in hardy beta
[13:31] <bjwebb> i have something very weird
[13:31] <locomo> keep it secret
[13:31] <bjwebb> the arrow keys keep on getting 'stuck'
[13:32] <locomo> keypress stuckage reported since alpha 4 at least
[13:32] <Ibback> May i have the terminal command to edit the software sources please?
[13:32] <bjwebb> hmm, its just started though
[13:32] <bjwebb> locomo: is there any fix/
[13:32] <locomo> lbback: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:32] <bjwebb> or is it just a random freak event that shoukld fix when i restart/
[13:33] <locomo> bjwebb: sorry, i dont know, try launchpad maybe
[13:33] <locomo> i have no stuckage
[13:33] <bjwebb> i didn't
[13:33] <bjwebb> it just started
[13:33] <bjwebb> ill try restarting, see if it carries on
[13:34] <locomo> seriously... it is not acceptable to system monitor tools to monitor itself rather than system
[13:35] <locomo> maybe its video driver?
[13:38] <locomo> that means no one in sane mind will use gnome system monitor to see cpu load, sane ppl will run from gnome system monitor, and use old top
[13:40] <bjwebb_> hmmm
[13:40] <bjwebb> it seems to be okay now
[13:45] <J-_> ahhh, the update manager said there were broken packages. I fire up Synaptic and says nothing is broke.
[13:45] <m1r> J-_ , i had similar problem min ago
[13:46] <J-_> =S
[13:46] <locomo> dialectics in action
[13:46] <J-_> locomo: lol
[13:49] <Unksi> anyone has idea how to remove the default binding from xf86search button? (the search button on the mouse) i cant seem to find any option for that in kde settings or anywhere
[13:53] <jessica> i need to get my wireless working it will only work with open network and i need to sercure mine i carnt leave it open
[13:54] <jessica> i have the Realtek RTL8187B card using ndiswrapper
[13:55] <mildner> anybody with 8.04
[13:56] <gluer> yes :-)
[13:56] <jessica> yes
[13:56] <jessica> this is the hardy channel
[13:56] <jessica> we all help and request help on this channel
[13:56] <Tuv0k> !ask
[13:56] <mildner> I have problems with sound
[13:56] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:57] <mildner> Warning: module config file does not exist
[13:57] <m1r> jessica , tryed to enter manually data into /etc/network/interfaces ?
[13:58] <jessica> i have tryed enterning the data manually
[13:58] <jessica> it still dose not work
[13:58] <KalEl> inconsistency in packages? "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', which is also in package language-pack-gnome-en
[13:58] <KalEl> "
[13:58] <m1r> jessica , does card detects network ?
[13:58] <jessica> yes
[13:59] <m1r> iwlist scan ?
[13:59] <jessica> my card dose not support iwlist scan
[13:59] <_Zandro_> What make is your wlan card?
[13:59] <jessica> Realtek RTL8187B
[14:00] <m1r> shouldnt RTL work without ndiswrapper *?
[14:00] <jessica> yes i am using ndiswrapper
[14:00] <jessica> but it dose not connect to sercure networks
[14:00] <jessica> only open networks
[14:00] <m1r> why u use ndis ?
[14:00] <_Zandro_> and you use the latest driver?
[14:00] <m1r> it dont work without ndis ?
[14:01] <jessica> no you need nidwapper for it to work
[14:01] <gluer> new updates just came through
[14:02] <_Zandro_> i had another realtek card that i used ndiswrapper on (Realtek 8180L) and it worked just fine on WPA networks
[14:03] <jessica> i can not get it working with WPA ether its more promising than WEP as WPA will connect but drop out 1 second after and WEP just rejects it
[14:03] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[14:03] <m1r> jessica wpa-supplicant loaded ?
[14:04] <jessica> yes everything is loaded correctly which is what i dont understand
[14:04] <_Zandro_> what version of ndiswrapper are you using?
[14:04] <jessica> latest one
[14:04] <jessica> latest stable one
[14:06] <_Zandro_> well id might try an older version of the realtek driver, they usually have earlier versions out on the FTP server.
[14:06] <jessica> hold on im going to check something i have just re-installed ndiswrapper and the driver i will see if it has any effect
[14:09] <bjwebb> i can't add new users
[14:10] <bjwebb> is this a known thing?
[14:11] <bjwebb> and what does users-admin come under on launchpad
[14:12] <_Zandro_> sure you can add users, you just forgot to do smoething important
[14:13] <spiderfire> how can i gather information into a file about my system?
[14:13] <bjwebb> _Zandro_: like what?
[14:13] <_Zandro_> do you see a button with a key on it?
[14:13] <jessica_> right i have my wireless working now
[14:13] <jessica_> thankyou
[14:13] <bjwebb> _Zandro_: ive "unlocked" it
[14:13] <bjwebb> it click add user
[14:13] <bjwebb> fill the details in
[14:13] <bjwebb> and it seems to work
[14:14] <bjwebb> but if i close it and reopend it is gone
[14:14] <m1r> resintall fixed jessica ?
[14:14] <bjwebb> and i get errors on the command line
[14:14] <_Zandro_> Jessica: well dont thank us, thank yourself :P
[14:14] <gluer> bjwebb: are you creating users as root?
[14:14] <bjwebb> gluer: i open the app as a non-root user
[14:15] <bjwebb> but the app has the unlock button
[14:15] <bjwebb> which i click and type my password
[14:15] <bjwebb> so it should have root
[14:15] <Tailsfan> Hi There, Will Hardy's Final Alt. Installer have the ability for you to choose your screen resolution again?
[14:15] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012/ -> cli output
[14:15] <gluer> bjwebb: i would try it as root see what happens
[14:16] <bjwebb> well, when i run it with gksu i can't do anything with it
[14:16] <bjwebb> it won't let me add a user or unlock
[14:17] <gluer> what command are u running
[14:17] <bjwebb> users-admin
[14:17] <m1r> hmm, evolution sudendly have send/recive button greyed out, cant send recive anymore
[14:17] <bjwebb> bbiab
[14:18] <gluer> bjwebb: i get the same thing
[14:18] <_Zandro_> hmm works fine here
[14:19] <_Zandro_> reboot brb
[14:22] <spiderfire> is ther an easy way to gather system info for debuggers?
[14:27] <rinaldi_> Hi i just upgraded to hardy. After the restart, before loading the gdm, it asked me to configure my nvidia graphics card, so I selected the nv driver. However it still ran in low resolution. When the desktop loaded it asked me to install the nvidia restricted drivers so I did and restarted. Now when it starts up I get a command prompt for 20 secs and then it asks me again to configure the graphics card, and same with the restriced ones. Is there a
[14:27] <sidelil> excuse me in hardy my auto-completion does work as it did previously. Do you know why? Is it a bug or a choice? Can I set it back? Thanks
[14:27] <sidelil> *doesn't
[14:28] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: whats your vid card?
[14:28] <rinaldi_> nvidia geforce 7600gt. It worked fine in gutsy with restricted drivers
[14:29] <spiderfire> i have 7600gs
[14:29] <spiderfire> i saw this problem myself and with someone else
[14:29] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: did you get a fix?
[14:30] <spiderfire> its fixable
[14:30] <spiderfire> not exactly sure how i did it
[14:30] <gluer> just install envy to figure it out
[14:30] <spiderfire> but you just have to resolve some package problem probably
[14:31] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: you have nvidia-glx-new?
[14:31] <spiderfire> you have the latest generic kernel?
[14:32] <spiderfire> restricted-manager
[14:32] <gluer> rinaldi: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[14:32] <spiderfire> restricted-manager-core?
[14:33] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: nvidia-glx-new is installed restriced manager is, and the kernel, I assume so
[14:34] <spiderfire> try resinstalling linux-restricted-modules-2.6.14-12-generic
[14:34] <spiderfire> dpkg-reconfigure
[14:34] <vox> anyone know why mousekeys activates itself every 2-3 days, even tho it's not ticked?
[14:34] <rinaldi_> ok thanks. gluer is envy safe to use?
[14:34] <spiderfire> so that with the kernel...
[14:34] <spiderfire> also get startup-manager\
[14:34] <spiderfire> to configure your boot loader
[14:34] <gluer> rinaldi: works for me, just get envyng
[14:35] <rinaldi_> ok thanks guys il try it out
[14:36] <spiderfire> you shouldnt need envy. this is something else i think
[14:36] <locomo> how to increase interface font size in blender?
[14:36] <larson999> what are the magic words to unlock the services in the service manager gui?
[14:37] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: i remeber it is the nvidia modules that doesnt load
[14:37] <rinaldi_> ok
[14:37] <larson999> so far hardy looks perty nice.
[14:38] <spiderfire> someone said "instead of reinstallation linux-restricted-modules, just running "sudo
[14:38] <spiderfire> depmod" solved the problem for me."
[14:39] <spiderfire> but youll find the nvidia driver isnt loaded
[14:39] <cyclonut> blast. sound trouble isnt fixed.
[14:39] <cyclonut> anyone else lose sound occasionally after closing a flash movie?
[14:40] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: hmm in synapric there seem to be duplicates of the linux-restricted-modules, might that be it?
[14:41] <spiderfire> i thought so
[14:41] <spiderfire> try removing the old ones
[14:41] <spiderfire> i did
[14:41] <rinaldi_> there are 4, some with ubuntu logos on them
[14:41] <mildner> I get following message after upgrade: E: console-setup: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[14:41] <spiderfire> just keep the -12 386 and generic
[14:44] <rinaldi_> ok il be back in a sec, see how the restart goes
[14:46] <vox> anyone know why update-manager falls in a heap when i click Install Updates? Instead of prompting for my password, it just sits there...
[14:47] <mildner> I have no sound on 8.04 but beside this everything looks fine
[14:47] <coz_> vox,  I dont but have you tried opening sysnaptic package manager  and try updateing from there?
[14:47] <HardyOne> or from terminal
[14:47] <vox> it works from terminal, yes
[14:48] <vox> but update manager doesnt
[14:48] <HardyOne> mildner, same sound issue here. was actually working when I first install then after a couple updates or maybe something I installed sound stopped
[14:48] <vox> which.. i would think would be something to look into? :)
[14:48] <coz_> vox,  sudo apt-get update   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:48] <coz_> vox,  maybe they had a problem with that
[14:49] <vox> coz_: yeah i know how to do it :)  i'm just thinking that if updates-manager isnt working, then a /lot/ of people are going to be affected
[14:49] <larson999> is there a doc somewhere on policy kit?  can't seem to find one.
[14:49] <coz_> vox,  no offense meant I just  wanted to allow that option:)
[14:49] <vox> hmm
[14:49] <vox> synaptic wont start
[14:49] <larson999> think i found one
[14:50] <mildner> HardyOne it stoped right from the beginning
[14:50] <vox> ok this is weird
[14:50] <coz_> ooo
[14:50] <vox> if i select synaptic from system->admin, it wont start
[14:50] <coz_> vox, try it in terminal
[14:50] <coz_> any errors?
[14:50] <vox> if i run 'gksudo synaptic' from terminal within x, it asks for p/w and starts fine
[14:51] <coz_> mm
[14:51] <vox> where are the menu item details located?
[14:51] <rinaldi_> i restarted and still nothing, which packages exactly do you have installed?
[14:52] <HardyOne> mildner, what does lspci show you about sound/audio device?
[14:53] <gluer> rinaldi: did eny work?
[14:53] <rinaldi_> i havn't done it yet, il try if this doesn't work
[14:54] <mildner> HardyOne, I made this:http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aadebug      do you like to read the output?
[14:55] <gluer> has anyone had CPU at 100% when running compiz?
[14:55] <vox> what cpu is it?
[14:56] <larson999> errr, i gonna take a while to figure this policy kit thing out.  is there a way to tell it to act like it did in guts?
[14:56] <gluer> core2 duo
[14:57] <vox> gluer: that's.. different
[14:57] <gluer> vox: says intel core2 duo
[14:58] <vox> no i mean, compiz using 100% cpu
[14:58] <vox> is unusual
[14:58] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: didn't work, what packages exactly do you have installed, im not sure which ones to get rid of and install. If just get rid of them all and start from new itl probably work
[14:58] <jessica> firefox keeps crashing
[14:58] <jessica> is there anyway to stop this
[14:58] <HardyOne> mildner, handy script
[14:58] <spiderfire> rinaldi_:
[14:58] <gunashekar> file a bug report
[14:58] <gluer> jess: im getting heaps of crashes as well
[15:00] <spiderfire> 2.6.24-12 restricted modules
[15:01] <spiderfire> 2.6.24-12 generic and 386 i have...but i use generic fine
[15:02] <spiderfire> modules common
[15:02] <larson999> i got one crash today  but only one.  that's an improvement.  if i don't crash again today, i'll keep heron.  if not, i'll go back to arch.
[15:02] <spiderfire> restricted-manager + -core
[15:02] <spiderfire> ubuntu restricted etc
[15:02] <rinaldi_> ok
[15:03] <mildner> HardyOne, yes but I dont know how   ;-)
[15:03] <HardyOne> dont know how to what?
[15:03] <spiderfire> everything 2.6.24-12
[15:03] <spiderfire> type lsmod to see if you nvidia module is loaded
[15:04] <spiderfire> and if your xorg.conf have nvidia instead of nv
[15:05] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: youll probably also want nvidia-settings to configure your card
[15:05] <Frijolie> I think the new "Network Manager Editor" is messing with my wifi connection...it wont grant access to the keyring so I can connect to my WPA wifi network
[15:05] <locomo> blender crashes, freezes, etc
[15:05] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: and startup-manager makes sure your boot loader is configured how you want
[15:06] <locomo> this is not beta
[15:06] <HardyOne> ok ALSA shows no soundcard but  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) is listed by lspci
[15:06] <larson999> all i want for easter is to be able to use the services gui!
[15:06] <Frijolie> but, I have to say, Hardy got Compiz working out-of-the-box and I gave up on it when running Gutsy
[15:06] <jessica> i need a stable web browser
[15:07] <HardyOne> jessica, try epiphany-browser
[15:07] <_Zandro_> firefox 3 bothering you?
[15:07] <jessica> is there a way i can downgrade my browser to firefox 2
[15:07] <gluer> jess:
[15:07] <gluer> :-)
[15:07] <jessica> i love firefox 3 but i carnt beta test it
[15:07] <larson999> firefox3 seems to be stable for me.  i'm lucky there.  i put it through all the pr0n paces i could think of :)
[15:07] <spiderfire> jessica: you can have both installed
[15:08] <spiderfire> jessica: maybe flash is what is causing the problem
[15:08] <larson999> i'm getting other issues though.
[15:08] <spiderfire> for me flash just takes a long time to load
[15:08] <_Zandro_> firefox works like a charm (for me) even gnash works like it should
[15:09] <spiderfire> but i found out you have to have a flash movie going already, then open another to have the load faster
[15:09] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: you think gnash is better?
[15:09] <locomo> did someone said pron
[15:09] <larson999> locomo, no.  pr0n
[15:10] <locomo> i see
[15:10] <larson999> locomo, i'm so leet
[15:10] <_Zandro_> well i like it better than the official flash plugin
[15:11] <larson999> _Zandro_, i never got gnash to anything whatever.  gave up on it.
[15:11] <bjwebb> im back
[15:11] <_Zandro_> strange
[15:11] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: whys that?
[15:13] <spiderfire> is there a utility that puts your hardware info into a file?
[15:13] <Frijolie> anyone have any ideas on the wifi stuff?
[15:13] <kebinusan> hm, I try to run gitk on hardy and get 'exec: 3: /usr/bin/wish8.5: not found' seems the package is bjorked
[15:15] <locomo> spiderfire: sudo lshw > file
[15:15] <spiderfire> locomo: thanks :)
[15:15] <_Zandro_> Spitfire: why i like gnash better?
[15:15] <_Zandro_> oops
[15:15] <_Zandro_> Sspiderfire :P
[15:16] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: yes just wondering
[15:16] <spiderfire> :)
[15:17] <mildner> anybody know how to write the 3 files:  "Modprobe Conf"    and "Proc Asound" and "Proc Asound"
[15:18] <kebinusan> yeah where would I report that the hardy gitk package depends on 8.4 but actually needs 8.5 the way its built it seems
[15:19] <bjwebb> im having a problem adding users
[15:19] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012/
[15:19] <_Zandro_> spiderfire: well you can configure it to not "autorun" flash players (witch some sites do) and you have the ability to log problems
[15:19] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: cool
[15:20] <Frijolie> guess not...
[15:22] <m1r> how do i get my evolution send/recive button to work ? it just got greyed out and i cant use it ?
[15:24] <_Zandro_> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/release-0.8.2.txt
[15:26] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: im installing
[15:27] <_Zandro_> just remember to remove the adobe flash plugin before you install gnash
[15:28] <tic^> need help with wireless, installed 8.04 and wireless stopped connecting. it worked with 7.10, must have been something from the upgrade. i click on network icon and enter info but still won't connect, help please.
[15:28] <spiderfire> ya
[15:32] <HardyOne> is there an app that can connect to Blogger and allow me to post/upload images and such instead of having to use the web GUI?
[15:33] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: sorry for the delay, restriced-manager-core and restriced-manager won't install because of unresolvable dependecies...
[15:33] <HardyOne> Blogtk does not support the Atom API.
[15:36] <tnnc> is anyone else having any trouble with java running
[15:36] <larson999> well, no lockups yet.
[15:37] <tnnc> i have install java  and it seems to keep asking me to add it any help
[15:37] <larson999> but i still can't enable/disable services.
[15:37] <maccam94> NetworkManager seems to be broken
[15:37] <Frijolie> tic^: I'm having same problem but aren't getting much help
[15:38] <Frijolie> tic^: there seems to be lots of complaints in the forums about the same issue with numerous cards/chipsets
[15:39] <larson999> tic^, guess i'm lucky there, too.  wireless works great for me.  linksys 54g
[15:39] <tic^> maccam94, sane problme here. can't connect to wireless network
[15:39] <Frijolie> wireless was working on Friday for me (the day of install of Hardy) but stopped working this morning
[15:39] <maccam94> it also takes up a large % of the CPU
[15:40] <maccam94> evolution-data-server-2.22 also seems to race the CPU
[15:40] <nonewmsgs> j #kubuntu+1
[15:40] <larson999> i don't even have the issue of needing to type my password into the network manager thing anymore.
[15:40] <vox> is it possible to re-compile ffmpeg so it uses both cores when decoding x264?
[15:40] <maccam94> killing both brings the cpu usage down to nil
[15:40] <maccam94> also manual CLI configuration of wireless works
[15:45] <tnnc> is anyone else having any trouble with java running
[15:45] <tnnc> i have install java  and it seems to keep asking me to add it any help
[15:46] <howefield> tnnc: I was until I installed the icedtea version
[15:48] <tnnc> howefield did you have to unistall the  version 6 and then install it or just install it along with other
[15:48] <spiderfire> _Zandro_: i just see a white box with gnash
[15:48] <howefield> I didn't uninstall
[15:49] <tnnc> ok i will go try thanks
[15:49] <howefield> tnnc:although maybe I should have :) but it worked after the icedtea
[15:49] <m1r> anyone using Evolution mail ?
[15:50] <howefield> mlr:most probably, are you just wondering or is their a question coming ? :)
[15:50] <verb_> guys Hardy gives me 800x600 while my machine is capable of more than that>>>can anyone help?
[15:50] <tnnc> howefield ok when the plugin finder comes up saids it can find icedtea did you have to do it from package manager
[15:51] <m1r> howefield: i lost send/recive button on evolution
[15:51] <locomo> firefox freezes when loading new tabs
[15:51] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: the restricted-manager won't install, something to do with jockey?
[15:51] <m1r> it is greyed out
[15:51] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: hmmm i dont have jockey installed
[15:51] <howefield> tnnc: yes, package manager
[15:52] <verb_> guys Hardy gives me 800x600 while my machine is capable of more than that....can anyone help? I have a Nvidia card and running ubuntu beta.... please help
[15:52] <tnnc> howefield thanks
[15:52] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: min eis, should i get rid of it and use restricted manager?
[15:52] <rinaldi_> verb_: same problem here, trying to resolve
[15:52] <spiderfire> yes cause my system is working
[15:53] <woland> hi. does hardy herron support iwl4965 wireless on the install disk?
[15:54] <woland> ls /lib/firmware/*4965* on the install disk would help a great deal
[15:54] <amx109> verb_, http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[15:55] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: it automatically installs jockey instead anyway
[15:55] <amx109> verb_, you should be able to change resolution via the preferences, but that will install the latest nvidia binary driver.
[15:56] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: which package are you installing?
[15:56] <rinaldi_> restricted-manager-core
[15:56] <verb__> rinaldi_, what do you get when you do this; "glxinfo | grep rendering"
[15:57] <woland> short of downloading the iso - is there any way of telling?
[15:57] <rinaldi_> glx missing on display
[15:58] <rinaldi_> verb__:  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[15:59] <verb__> rinaldi_, that happened to me and it means the nvidia driver isn't installed properly, are you running beta?
[15:59] <maccam94> woland: it's 3945, is there a reason it wouldn't have 4965?
[15:59] <rinaldi_> yes
[15:59] <tnnc> howefield thanks it works
[16:00] <rinaldi_> verb__: il be back in a sec
[16:01] <cyclonut> PSA: anyone using an intel integrated graphics processor should investigate intel_batch="1" workarounds
[16:01] <cyclonut> just gained ~40% more performance with it (yay)
[16:01] <poseidon> Where can I get the wubi installer for ubuntu Hardy Heron?
[16:02] <poseidon> It's not on the wubi installer site.
[16:02] <locomo> after install of nvidia driver, i see everythere 50 Hz (applets, etc) where it should be 60 Hz. so to switch to 60 Hz i applying "50 Hz" value. insanity
[16:02] <Dex-Freudii> I'm trying out the updated alpha-6, wireless did not work out of the box, downloaded all updates, then it picked up "new hardware", and installed b43-fwcutter. It looked like it was gonna work, i could see the networks, i selected mine but it hung on connecting and wouldn't connect.
[16:02] <cyclonut> poseidon, I believe it is included on the CD
[16:02] <gluer> how do i fix this:  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[16:02] <poseidon> cyclonut, thanks
[16:02] <Dex-Freudii> gluer: did you try that on terminal?
[16:02] <gluer> yes
[16:03] <gluer> wont fix
[16:03] <Dex-Freudii> sudo dpkg ... ???
[16:03] <gluer> firefox crashed and froze while i was installing
[16:03] <Turski> how gfxboot should be installed on hardy?
[16:03] <gluer> now i cant get to synaptic
[16:03] <Dex-Freudii> gluer: installing what?
[16:03] <woland> maccam94: licensing perhaps? I'd just like to be sure the module is available before downloading
[16:04] <Dex-Freudii> ok, did you run sudo dpkg --configure -a  ??
[16:04] <maccam94> woland: :-\ they're both intel chipsets, intel is pretty open
[16:04] <maccam94> i'll see if i can find my cd
[16:04] <woland> maccam94: cool, thanks a lot :)
[16:04] <gluer> dex: ok thanks man, i forgot sudo
[16:04] <gluer> fixed
[16:04] <rinaldi_> verb__: when you start up do you get a prompt to login in text?
[16:04] <Dex-Freudii> :)
[16:04] <gluer> :-)
[16:05] <Dex-Freudii> enjoy
[16:05] <gluer> dex: im trying to install the msttcorefonts, any ideas where from?
[16:05]  * cyclonut slaps gluer's forehead for him ;-)
[16:05] <gluer> lol
[16:06] <cyclonut> gluer, ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[16:06] <gluer> cyclo: cheers
[16:06] <Dex-Freudii> heh
[16:06] <gluer> its 3am here come on
[16:06] <Dex-Freudii> did anyone get his wi-fi to work??
[16:06] <gluer> ;-)
[16:07] <woland> Dex-Freudii: which card you having problems with?
[16:07] <Dex-Freudii> gluer: where are you?
[16:07] <gluer> melbourne, australia
[16:07] <Dex-Freudii> b43-fwcutter driver I use
[16:07] <Dex-Freudii> diametral opposite
[16:08] <locomo> it seems switching from 7900 gtx to 8800 gts 512 and to 8.04 beta fixed compiz titlebar corruption https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/compiz/+bug/99508
[16:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:08] <jimmygoon_> Is it possible to adjust my mouse so that it scrolls less at a time
[16:08] <howefield> tnnc:thanks for saying :)
[16:09] <maccam94> woland: was it not on the gutsy CD?
[16:09] <Dex-Freudii> woland: I use b43-fwcutter driver
[16:09] <maccam94> woland: i actually recall setting up a 4965 card for someone with gutsy, and the driver was installed, it just didn't autoload. just had to modprobe iwl4965 and it came right up.
[16:10] <cyclonut> Dex-Freudii, fwiw, I couldnt get b43-fwcutter to do anything for me. I had to use ndiswrapper again
[16:10] <rinaldi_> I think il just have to envy it and see
[16:10] <KalEl> does transmission support DHT?
[16:10] <Dex-Freudii> cyclonut: how to use ndiswrapper?
[16:10] <maccam94> woland: i also see it loaded on my gutsy laptop here, in the /lib/modules/~kernel/ folder
[16:11] <cyclonut> Dex-Freudii, you need a copy of your card's windows drivers
[16:11] <Dex-Freudii> and then?
[16:11] <woland> cool, thanks maccam94
[16:11] <woland> what kernel version does the boot dick use?
[16:11] <locomo> does anybody know why every windows program support "quick erase dvd+rw" and every linux program NOT
[16:11] <maccam94> woland: 2.6.24
[16:11] <larson999> i used ndiswrapper for my card vs b43-fwcutter.  seems to work better.
[16:11] <woland> s/ick/isc/
[16:12] <cyclonut> Dex-Freudii, then, you install ndiswrapper (check synaptic), followed by ndiswrapper -i <yourdriverfilehere.inf>, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[16:12] <woland> cool, should have the intree versions. thanks again maccam94 :)
[16:12] <maccam94> yup no prob
[16:12] <cyclonut> Dex-Freudii, however, there are a thousand better walkthroughs for ndiswrapper
[16:12] <Dex-Freudii> clyclonut thanks a lot!
[16:12] <Dex-Freudii> i'll try it... bbl
[16:12] <cyclonut> Dex-Freudii, if you google the ubuforums for it, you'll find a bunch
[16:12] <cyclonut> gl
[16:13] <cyclonut> hope he can figure that out
[16:13] <syke> hi
[16:13] <cyclonut> howdy
[16:13] <syke> are there any maintainers around? I've been asking about the ndiswrapper breakage for about a week now and have gotten no response whatsoever
[16:14] <syke> I've seen several others in here reporting similar issues
[16:14] <larson999> what's this tracker tool thing?
[16:14] <cyclonut> not a maintainer, but how is it breaking
[16:14] <cyclonut> larson999, its a search helper. it indexes your files.
[16:14] <larson999> cyclonut, like locate?
[16:15] <cyclonut> syke, I had trouble with ndiswrapper and SSB modules being loaded at the same time.
[16:15] <cyclonut> larson999, yeah, but new and shiny
[16:15] <syke> cycl: I have a broadcom-based chipset and I use WPA2, it was working last week and sometime in the last week stopped working
[16:15] <larson999> cyclonut, ok, i think i'll uninstall it.
[16:15] <syke> cycl: how can I check if this is the issue?
[16:15] <locomo> haha i just noticed pidgin 2.4.0 in 8.04 alpha was replaced by 2.3.1 in beta? lol
[16:15] <cyclonut> syke, ah, the issue I was pointing out is a showstopper, card doesnt get recognized, etc
[16:15] <locomo> downgrade
[16:16] <cyclonut> larson999, I did the same
[16:16] <Turski> Anyone using gfxboot?
[16:16] <nathan42100> hey
[16:16] <cyclonut> syke, so, I'd say that is most assuredly not the issue :) sorry
[16:16] <syke> cycl: my card isn't getting recognized any more, either
[16:16] <TobiasTheCommie> just upgraded to the hardy beta... in grub i now have boot entries for the new 2.24.12 kernel, both the 386 and generic versions.. but i can only boot from the 386 kernel, and all the modules(audio etc) are only for the generic kernel...
[16:16] <TobiasTheCommie> me is confused
[16:16] <cyclonut> syke, oh. well then
[16:16] <syke> that is, the little "wireless active" light on my laptop no longer comes on when the driver loads
[16:16] <woland> any obviously subjective comments on the current betas stability?
[16:16] <syke> (it does when I modprobe b43, but I can't use b43 for other reasons)
[16:17] <woland> i tried the alpha and firefox or gtk went tits up after an update
[16:17] <nathan42100> anyone try to install BF2 successfully on the 8.04 beta?
[16:17] <syke> woland: the only issues I have had since alpha 3 has been with wireless
[16:17] <woland> syke: which device?
[16:17] <larson999> oh, i use wpa not wpa2
[16:18] <cyclonut> syke, humm, my solution was to unload  b44, ssb, and ndiswrapper at boot, followed my modprobeing ndiswrapper, then b44 back in (in that order)
[16:19] <MathewC> Hello peoples.
[16:19] <MathewC> might someone help me with the xorg config file?
[16:19] <cyclonut> MathewC, I can try
[16:19] <larson999> hmmm, does miro finally work with the java plugin installed?
[16:20] <woland> or buy a cheapass ralink card and boycott the manufacturer for not providing documentation :o
[16:20] <cyclonut> MathewC, but as a warning, I liken myself to a medieval brain surgeon when it comes to that ;)
[16:20] <syke> cycl: fuck me, that was it!
[16:20] <syke> there's a planned fix, I assume?
[16:20] <cyclonut> syke, glad it worked
[16:20] <cyclonut> syke, dunno
[16:20] <cyclonut> syke, but yeah, I wrestled with that for a long, long time
[16:20] <MathewC> I appriciate any and all help
[16:21] <MathewC> so I upgraded to 8.4
[16:21] <cyclonut> syke, I have a little script for my init.d that does that automagically on boot. you want?
[16:21] <MathewC> and the xorg.conf file is different
[16:21] <Asa_A> has anyone else run updates this morning that broke your system?
[16:21] <larson999> looks like i'm going to keep hardy
[16:21] <cyclonut> MathewC, yep
[16:21] <syke> cycl: sure, thanks! :)
[16:22] <MathewC> I had set default depth at 16 (even though the system does 24) because compiz fusion would not run without it.
[16:22] <MathewC> now that option in the config is gone
[16:22] <MathewC> and I'm at a loss as to how to set it
[16:22] <larson999> though i still need to figure out why everything in the sessions gui is greyed out.
[16:22] <Asa_A> my computer was fine until I ran some updates, and now gnome won't start, i'm in a failsafe terminal where I can't start firefox, so I'm using a SSH X tunel to my wife's computer to get pidgin and firefox working.
[16:22] <MathewC> I think if you set one variable, you have to set them all for that section.
[16:23] <woland> Asa_A: check the Xorg.0.log
[16:23] <MathewC> cyclonut, should I PM you?
[16:23] <cyclonut> MathewC, perhaps you should use the screens gui?
[16:23] <larson999> it's not the deal where you update and get a new kernel and your grub is out of order so a different kernel that doesn't match you nvidia drivers is loaded instead of the right one ,is it?
[16:24] <cyclonut> MathewC, also, will compiz ztill not run without it?
[16:24] <Asa_A> woland: what am I looking for? i've restarted X several times
[16:24] <cyclonut> syke: trying to dcc.... any luck?
[16:24] <syke> cycl: no dice, my NAT doesn't play nice :(
[16:24] <syke> but now that I know what to do, I can handle it
[16:25] <syke> should this issue be added to the topic since ppl keep coming in and asking about it?
[16:25] <syke> "race between ssb and ndiswrapper"
[16:25] <enyc> hrrm vmware-server vmware-player wont compile their modules against hardy kernel source ;-(
[16:25] <Asa_A> I did get a message about my gnome language pack trying to overwrite a file and that I needed to use the broken filter in synaptic tofix it
[16:25] <enyc> virtualbox-ose-modules ok and kqemu module builds ok
[16:26] <cyclonut> syke: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4557894#post4557894
[16:27] <cyclonut> MathewC, also, you CAN use older-style xorg.conf files with new X
[16:28] <cyclonut> MathewC, in fact, you can go completely nekkid and run around without an xorg.conf at all, if that floats your boat
[16:28] <cyclonut> MathewC, everything has just worked for me in that department
[16:29] <syke> cycl: great, thanks!
[16:29] <syke> cycl: you said it's a known showstopper?
[16:30] <cyclonut> syke, well, it is causing trouble, tbh I havent looked to see if there was a bug report yet (okay, im not doing my part. boooo at me)
[16:33] <MathewC> cyclonut: I find that when I set that one option I need it cuts me down to 800x600 and gives me error messages etc.
[16:33] <MathewC> I just need to change that one option
[16:34] <MathewC> compiz-fusion will run in 24 bit with 1024x1024 resolution
[16:34] <MathewC> if I want higher (1600x1200) then I need to run it in 16bit
[16:35] <cyclonut> hrmm
[16:35] <MathewC> the gui tool does not have an option for depth
[16:37] <cyclonut> MathewC, what does your display subsection look like?
[16:37] <cyclonut> MathewC, better yet, can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[16:37] <slipttees> yo
[16:38] <gmazk> Hello. Is the keymap selection bug even worst than it was in Alpha 6 version? Now I can't even change the instalation keymap without having my X restarted...
[16:38] <MathewC> cyclonut: I'll try
[16:38] <slipttees> me too
[16:39] <MathewC> Section "Device"
[16:39] <MathewC> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[16:39] <MathewC> EndSection
[16:39] <MathewC> Section "Monitor"
[16:39] <MathewC> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[16:39] <MathewC> EndSection
[16:39] <MathewC> Section "Screen"
[16:39] <MathewC> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[16:39] <MathewC> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[16:39] <MathewC> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[16:39] <MathewC> EndSection
[16:39] <MathewC> sorry for the flood
[16:39] <woland> gmazk: use setxkbmap ?
[16:39] <cyclonut> MathewC, oops, next time please use pastebin
[16:40] <cyclonut> !pastebin | MathewC
[16:40] <ubotu> MathewC: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[16:40] <MathewC> okay
[16:40] <MathewC> thanks
[16:40] <gmazk> woland: is it a installation option that I have to select in the first instalation screen (other options) ?
[16:40] <woland> oh, sorry. it's a stand alone command you can run on the console
[16:41] <woland> setxkbmap gb, sets X to use a british keymap for example
[16:41] <cyclonut> MathewC, perhaps adding a subsection to "screen" called "Display"
[16:41] <cyclonut> MathewC, and setting the Depth to 16 there?
[16:41] <cyclonut> MathewC, dont forget to backup xorg.conf... and remember that alt + F1-F6 switches sessions :)
[16:41] <MathewC> I think I'll boot live to 7.10 and then copy the xorg.conf from that
[16:41] <slipttees> selected keymap to "br" and it crashed  => Xserver Restart
[16:42] <MathewC> cyclonut: thanks, I knew about those
[16:42] <woland> i've never needed an xorg.conf with xorg 7.3
[16:42] <cyclonut> I need one to get dual monitors working
[16:43] <cyclonut> well, working properly
[16:43] <woland> of course
[16:43] <gmazk> woland: If I use the setxkeymap will the installation process skip the keymap selection step?
[16:43] <woland> no
[16:44] <tux_> anyone have banshee not recognizing their ipod ?
[16:45] <gmazk> Hummm. Let's see... I'll try again with that command, but I think that X will crash again even using the command when the keymap selection step begins.
[16:45] <cyclonut> syke, any luck on bugfinding/filing?
[16:46] <slipttees> arrggg
[16:46] <sroecker> hi
[16:46] <cyclonut> hullo
[16:46] <syke_> cyclo: I chimed in on the forums, but there are several ndiswrapper reports in the bug database that are difficult to figure if they apply to this problem
[16:47] <sroecker> how can I see which packages got updated e.g last week?
[16:47] <cyclonut> syke_, indeed, it is a twisted pile of fail
[16:47] <evand> poseidon: The Wubi installer is on the Hardy CD.  Just pop it in your computer, it should auto run.
[16:47] <evand> ah, someone already mentioned it.  Sorry.
[16:48] <Asa_A> my language-pack-gnome-en or language-pack-en broke my gnome, Does anyone have a suggestion how to fix it?
[16:48] <poseidon> evand, I found it on sourceforge, that way I don't have to download the entire cd
[16:48] <poseidon> :)
[16:48] <cyclonut> now, why in the hell do the beta versions of ubuntu download updates that dont apply to my system?
[16:48] <Tuv0k> Asa_A, simply re-run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:49] <cyclonut> for example, update manager wants to download xserver-xorg-video-nv
[16:49] <macogw> cyclonut: because those packages are installed
[16:49] <Asa_A> Tuv0k: it says I don't have any updates
[16:49] <Tuv0k> so what
[16:49] <poseidon> evand, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=198355
[16:49] <Tuv0k> do it again
[16:49] <cyclonut> macogw, I see, thing is, when I install from final, they dont get installed
[16:49] <macogw> cyclonut: all video drivers are installed so if you switch video cards, itll be automagic
[16:49] <macogw> yes they do
[16:49] <macogw> xerver-xorg is what's installed
[16:49] <macogw> it's a metapackage that includes all the rest
[16:50] <macogw> its just that only one is active
[16:50] <cyclonut> macogw, hrmm okay, I guess I mustve been turning a blind eye before
[16:50] <Tuv0k> macogw is right
[16:50] <gavintlgold> hi, I installed ubuntu with a separate partition for /home in the intent that I could reinstall with a livecd to update without losing data. I believe that I must move all hidden '.' files first, correct? The system might be broken otherwise if i understand correctly. Can someone confirm?
[16:50] <macogw> gavintlgold: no!
[16:50] <gavintlgold> (i'd like to update to the beta)
[16:50] <macogw> gavintlgold: thats how you keep your user's settings
[16:50] <macogw> and if you removed them, youd lose your pidgin buddy list
[16:50] <macogw> and your firefox bookmarks
[16:50] <Tuv0k> right
[16:50] <macogw> and all that stuff
[16:51] <gavintlgold> i understand that, but i heard that it might break the system to leave them there
[16:51] <macogw> keeping that stuff is totally fine
[16:51] <gavintlgold> ok
[16:51] <macogw> its the big system stuff that you dont want to keep
[16:51] <gavintlgold> yup
[16:51] <macogw> the stuff in /etc
[16:51] <wjohnson> I alway nuked out a few of them, to clear out the dropping from the previous verion's .gtk and stuff...
[16:51] <wjohnson> er, versions.
[16:51] <vega--> well, not always so, major problems i had with upgrades have been with old . files, ie. many problems have been solved by doing "rm -rf .gconf*" etc.
[16:51] <gavintlgold> what about compiled programs? should I make uninstall them?
[16:51] <vega--> backwards-compatibility is not always what it should be
[16:51] <macogw> gavintlgold: theyll go away when you reinstall if they're installed in /usr/local/bin
[16:52] <gavintlgold> a few aren't.
[16:52] <macogw> vega--: ok yeah i could see gconf having a seizure
[16:52] <gavintlgold> (sadly)
[16:52] <cyclonut> yay
[16:52] <macogw> normal applications handle that stuff fine usually
[16:52] <wjohnson> Quick poll here, is it something regionally for me, or are us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com dead now?
[16:52] <cyclonut> just learned how to get my home button back in FF3
[16:52] <macogw> cyclonut: didnt it auto-show on the bookmarks toolbar?
[16:53] <Tuv0k> cyclonut, how?
[16:53] <cyclonut> wjohnson, works for me
[16:53] <cyclonut> macogw, yeah, but who uses that?
[16:53] <gavintlgold> but it's still not a very good idea to update with update manager right? That always seems to break for me
[16:53] <macogw> me...
[16:53] <wjohnson> cyclonut, Which coast are you on?
[16:53] <gunashekar> wjohnson: the main server is working
[16:53] <macogw> gavintlgold: update manager is better than command line
[16:53] <cyclonut> Tuv0k, enable both the bookmarks toolbar and the normal toolbar... right click and hit "customize" then you can drag the home button to where it belongs
[16:53] <cyclonut> wjohnson, east coast, USA
[16:53] <wjohnson> Hmmmm
[16:53] <wjohnson> Thanks.
[16:54] <gavintlgold> macogw: what about livecd, completely reinstalling? Isn't that even better?
[16:54] <vega--> gavintlgold: it's the recommended way, don't use the command line if you are not experienced with dpkg/apt-get
[16:54] <macogw> gavintlgold: if you dont mind having to reinstall all your stuff
[16:54] <macogw> gavintlgold: one thing you can do is check out the dpkg manpage for stuff about get-selections and set-selections
[16:54] <macogw> then you can automatically reinstall all the programs you had before
[16:54] <gavintlgold> I'm afraid a few changes I've made (like compiling xorg) will mess it up
[16:54] <Tuv0k> cyclonut, lol, thx
[16:55] <macogw> vega--: psh dont use the command line if you're going to gutsy on a system that once had dapper, period.
[16:55] <cyclonut> Tuv0k, ridiculous, no?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> cyclonut, that was driving me mad
[16:55] <macogw> vega--: the gui gets rid of evms because it's incompatible with gutsy's kernel. the command line leaves it there.  i dont know why that check would only be in the gui....has to really f up servers
[16:56] <vega--> hm ok, didn't not that, though i don't run ubuntu on servers
[16:56] <vega--> not=know
[16:56] <roentgen> orkun: hey
[16:56] <macogw> there's a bug on it, but afaik, the packages havent been marked "conflicts" yet
[16:56] <orkun> roentgen, what video card do you use? i have an intel 945gm
[16:56] <vega--> i prefer debian on servers..
[16:57] <roentgen> I put vga=0x318 on grub directly at boot
[16:57] <smuggle> Hello all!
[16:57] <smuggle> i'm using Ubuntu 8.04
[16:57] <gavintlgold> OK, so what I'm going to try to do, is remove the /usr compiled apps and the changes I made that seem a little drastic, and then try using the update manager. Does that seem like it would work?
[16:57] <orkun> so are most of the users here, smuggle :)
[16:57] <roentgen> orkun: I tested various resolutions. None work after gdm starts
[16:57] <smuggle> I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I have a litte problem with the nvidia driver. i've installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working..
[16:58] <vega--> gavintlgold: there's always the reinstall option after that :)
[16:58] <orkun> roentgen, but before?
[16:58] <jf> Hm, after upgrading to hardy my wireless card is barley working.
[16:58] <roentgen> orkun: It's an Intel card
[16:58] <orkun> roentgen, i have the same problem even before gdm starts - during splash
[16:58] <jf> The signal is way weak.
[16:58] <gavintlgold> vega--: as long as that doesn't delete my data, but I suppose not since I have a separate partition
[16:58] <roentgen> orkun: I disabled splash
[16:58] <smuggle> when the GDM comes on, the message of the low graphics pops up..
[16:58] <macogw> roentgen: vga= is only for framebuffer, not for inside X
[16:58] <volkodav> is there a 64 bit opera?
[16:58] <vega--> gavintlgold: it won't touch your /home if it's on a separate partition
[16:58] <gavintlgold> ook. sounds good. I'll give it a go
[16:58] <orkun> roentgen, we should definitly file a bug report - seems to be a bug with hardy intel driver
[16:58] <dandel> hmm... found another bug... is it me or is Alt+Tab not working 0o
[16:58] <smuggle> the only resolution available is the 800x600
[16:59]  * gavintlgold thanks buddies on #compiz-fusion for that tip
[16:59] <gavintlgold> :)
[16:59] <woland> jf: which card?
[16:59] <macogw> dandel: works for me
[16:59] <roentgen> macogw: the console goes away just about when X starts
[16:59] <dandel> mocogw: i checked gnome settings and it should be working, but it does not.
[16:59] <jf> woland: It's a asus, with rt2500.
[16:59] <gavintlgold> oh, one more question: I just downloaded a livecd. Is there any way to use the packages in there to update (at least partially?) i have slow internet
[16:59] <macogw> roentgen: umm....i dont get it
[16:59] <jf> wl-107g.
[17:00] <orkun> maccam94,
[17:00] <orkun> sry ^^
[17:00]  * slipttees Away - Out to Lunch
[17:00] <orkun> macogw, we talked in #ubuntu before - with hardy we cannot improve console graphics
[17:00] <roentgen> macogw: The console is fine when booting. After X starts the console is blank with a blibking cursor. The fonts are invisible :)
[17:00] <orkun> if we do we get only a blinking cursor
[17:01] <cyclonut> Dandel alt+tab works here. check your compiz configurator to see if you have it disabled
[17:01] <vega--> slipttees: don't use public aways, i think most people here do not care if you go to lunch
[17:01] <macogw> roentgen: oh thats an old bug
[17:01] <smuggle> I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I have a litte problem with the nvidia driver. i've installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working.. when the GDM comes on, the message of the low graphics pops up, and the only resolution available is the 800x600. I've tried to modify the xorg.conf, including the resolution in the Depth modes, but, the issue continues..
[17:01] <orkun> if any1 got help - help both of us at once :)
[17:01] <macogw> the framebuffer module isnt loaded
[17:01] <macogw> so if you have framebuffer enabled, you get blank ttys
[17:01] <dandel> cyclonut: which compiz plugin?
[17:01] <roentgen> macogw: any way to solve it?
[17:02] <orkun> hey thanks - simple modprobe? or apt first?
[17:02] <cyclonut> dandel: I dunno, I dont use compiz. Im sure its there somewhere though.
[17:02] <macogw> roentgen: manually messing with initrd, i think
[17:02] <roentgen> macogw: If I only knew where to start ;(
[17:02] <orkun> but is not framebuffer required to show the splash screen?
[17:03] <roentgen> orkun: I don't think so
[17:03] <orkun> with the progress bar?
[17:03] <orkun> i distinctly remembersth like that while messing around with bootsplash at old debian times ^^
[17:04] <dandel> Cyclonut: got the window switcher working... had to change the Ring switcher settings.
[17:04] <gunashekar> for a change : i am using the latest hardy with ubuntu studio . everything seems to be working fine
[17:04] <macogw> orkun: yes, during startup, but then the running kernel doesnt have it going
[17:05] <orkun> is not hotplug responsible for this later? just asking to solve this the ubuntu way :)
[17:05] <cyclonut> dandel, that'd do it. congrats :)
[17:06] <jwal> Hi.  Does anybody know where I can read about the decision to use Firefox 3 in Hardy (and the risk assessment of Firefox still being in Beta at the end of April)?
[17:06] <macogw> bug #129910
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[17:06] <macogw> roentgen: oh it says fix released...
[17:07] <macogw> :-/ i wonder if there was a fix released in gutsy and then a regression in hardy?
[17:07] <cyclonut> jwal, im not sure, but when you find it, please let me know
[17:07] <orkun> thanks for the time macogw btw :)
[17:08] <m1r> so, still no one having problems with evolution send/recive buttons ?
[17:08] <smuggle> I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I have a litte problem with the nvidia driver. i've installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working.. when the GDM comes on, the message of the low graphics pops up, and the only resolution available is the 800x600. I've tried to modify the xorg.conf, including the resolution in the Depth modes, but, the issue continues..
[17:09] <cyclonut> jwal_, dunno if you saw my last message... I havent seen a risk assessment, but if you can find one, I'd love to read it, if you could pass it along
[17:09] <jwal> cyclonut: I'll keep looking
[17:09] <orkun> roentgen, lsmod | grep fb shows vesafb for you?
[17:09] <smuggle> I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I have a litte problem with the nvidia driver. i've installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working.. when the GDM comes on, the message of the low graphics pops up, and the only resolution available is the 800x600. I've tried to modify the xorg.conf, including the resolution in the Depth modes, but, the issue continues.. anyone here can help me out?
[17:09] <roentgen> macogw: I'll check it out
[17:10] <roentgen> orkun: yeah it shows
[17:10] <cyclonut> smuggle, repeating your question over and over probably will not help. Sadly, I do not have an nvidia based card, and thus have no experience with what you are needing. Perhaps the forums hold an answer with extended searching?
[17:11] <gordonjcp> smuggle: you said that about a minute ago
[17:11] <gordonjcp> at least wait until your question has scrolled off the screen before repeating
[17:11] <orkun> same for me then let's read some further :>
[17:11] <tripmckay> smuggle: i only know this to happen if you connect an external monitor/etc... to your output... downgrading to a 90er version works here...
[17:11] <smuggle> cyclonut, yes.. i'm seeking for a resolution for my problem in forums and etc..
[17:12] <macogw> roentgen: actually that bug links to another bug #201591
[17:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201591 in linux "atyfb regression - screen blank except for blinking cursor after fbcon vtswitch " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201591
[17:12] <macogw> roentgen: and a patch to fix it on bug #204319
[17:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204319 in linux "radeonfb regression: disappearing fonts upon VT switch (dup-of: 201591)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204319
[17:13] <tripmckay> i should add i experienced this on a notebook system...
[17:14] <orkun> roentgen, deal seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 /etc/initramfs-tools/modules seems to be the deal which is responsible to load drivers into the initram - adding vesafb and fbcon would be the first thing i would do
[17:14] <jf> woland: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3366/
[17:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released]
[17:14] <jf> There was the same thing.
[17:14] <gavintlgold> ok, i'm going off pidgin to update :) bye
[17:16] <orkun> aaah roentgen - fb is blacklisted in hardy as they say because it conflicts with suspend/resume and wireless interface
[17:16] <orkun> that could be why suspend/resume seem to work now ^^
[17:17] <svu> where is gtkbuilder in hardy?
[17:17] <roentgen> orkun macogw Thanks, I've got lots to read now ;)
[17:18] <orkun> so i wont use better resolution in that console. do not wanna screw suspend/resume
[17:18] <roentgen> orkun: I don't suspend anyway in Linux
[17:20] <orkun> okay then simply comment the lines at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer for vesafb and fbcon - then it should work. maybe you will have to add them inside /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[17:21] <orkun> roentgen,
[17:21] <orkun> use at your own risk - read the first 2 lines in the blacklist-framebuffer before :)
[17:21] <roentgen> orkun: Oh, thanks. I was just wondering how to un-blacklist things :)
[17:22] <orkun> there seems to be an intelfb as well - but dunno what to do with them :) if intel or vesa is used. thats stuff other people do for me :>
[17:23] <LordDiabolus> Is this the correct channel for a question on Evolution in the Hardy Beta?
[17:24] <HardyOne> can somebody point me to disabling touchpad and using usb mouse?
[17:24] <vox> where does libsensors write its info to?
[17:24] <HardyOne> LordDiabolus, probably not but give it a try
[17:25] <HardyOne> !touchpad
[17:25] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[17:25] <LordDiabolus> Using Google Calendar , i have several meetings scheduled that are recurring every week.  However, in Evolution (Hardy Beta), those appointments don't appear.  Any ideas?
[17:27] <Jordan_U> For some reason I am getting pretty bad audio distortion in Hardy ( possibly clipping? ) I thought my speakers were shot at first but booting in OSX they sound fine
[17:29] <gunashekar> yea that has been so since alpha Jordan_U
[17:29] <Jordan_U> gunashekar, Do you have a link to the bug report?
[17:29] <gunashekar> i guess cleaning up the audio mess is going to take a couple of more releases
[17:30] <gunashekar> yes there is a milestone
[17:32] <vox> Jordan_U: make sure you dont have wave output set to full
[17:33] <nikrud> I'm getting freezing flash in firefox 3 (player linked into local plugin directory). Is there a fix, or is it something we wait for?
[17:36] <Jordan_U> vox, "PCM" ?
[17:40] <vox> Jordan_U: yeah
[17:40] <vox> set it to around 75% max
[17:40] <omar> I'm having a serious problem with my laptop. It started to heat up quickly, and the CPU sensor indicates that CPU0  is full almost all the time, it almost never comes below 100%.
[17:41] <vox> i've found with alot of soundcards, having pcm higher than 75% results in distortion
[17:41] <omar> I'm very sure I'm not doing anything that needs this huge amount of processing power.
[17:42] <gunashekar> omar:  that happened on my laptop too (compaq presario V6000) i updated the bios and it became better
[17:42] <omar> gunashekar: And how do I do that?
[17:42] <gunashekar> what laptop do you have
[17:42] <gunashekar> omar: which laptop
[17:43] <omar> gunashekar: Toshiba Tecra A8.
[17:43] <gunashekar> ok wait
[17:43] <omar> gunashekar: Thanks.
[17:43] <HardyOne> can somebody help me figure out how to disable touchpad and use usb mouse?
[17:44] <ShackJack> Hi all - quick question re: wireless on Hardy...  I can get onto open networks O.K. (though it takes longer than usual to find them), but not onto my WPA2 network - is there some extra config to be done (like in Seahorse or something)
[17:44] <ShackJack> HardyOne: Generally you can just plug the mouse in (though it doesn't disable touchpad)?
[17:45] <gunashekar> omar:  see if this page has your model
[17:45] <jordan_> vox, Thanks, turning down PCM back into the green ( alsamixer ) did it :)
[17:45] <gunashekar> omar:  http://www.notebook-treiber.de/laptop/download-toshiba.php
[17:46] <omar> gunashekar: Okay. :)
[17:47] <vox> jordan_: rad
[17:47] <gunashekar> omar: try this too http://www.driversdown.com/drivers/Toshiba-Tecra-A8(PTA83E)-Satellite-Pro-A120(PSAC1)-BIOS-Update-3.40-WIN_70403.shtml
[17:48] <gunashekar> omar: bios upgrades are risky.. be careful
[17:49] <omar> gunashekar: Oh... umm.. well, I'll see what I can do. :)
[17:49] <cyclonut> i've been scared to do a bios upgrade :-\ no windows to do it with, and I've got 2 upgrades sitting waiting for me
[17:50] <gunashekar> cyclonut: i had to install windows just to upgarde the bios
[17:51] <cyclonut> yeah im not gonna do that
[17:52] <HardyOne> !hardware
[17:52] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[18:00] <m1r> can someone help with evolution send/recive buttons not showing up ? after last night they just stoped working and i can get it back working ?
[18:02] <rinaldi_> Why is it that there is no "custom" setting in appearance settings so I can edit compizconfig settings manager and save it?
[18:03] <gunashekar> rinaldi_: someone is working on compiz profiles
[18:03] <rinaldi_> ok ;-), so it will be included in the final release?
[18:08] <HardyOne> well I have gotten usb mouse working now all I need is sound
[18:12] <HardyOne> I get an error saying " no volume control gstreamer plugins and or device found "
[18:13] <HardyOne> when double clicking volume control
[18:15] <burner> HardyOne: try system -> admin -> sound and picking your sound card?
[18:15] <burner> oops. system-> prefs -> sound
[18:17] <HardyOne> burner, pick my card where?
[18:17] <HardyOne> I dont see that option
[18:18] <burner> as the "default mixer" "device"
[18:21] <HardyOne> burner, there is nothing listed in the box
[18:21] <HardyOne> box is emtpy
[18:21] <HardyOne> Seveas, heya
[18:21] <Seveas> hello HardyOne
[18:21] <HardyOne> lspci does list my sound card
[18:22] <Seveas> lspci lies, don't trust it
[18:22]  * HardyOne shoots lspci
[18:22] <Seveas> it's got some easer eggs
[18:22] <Seveas> don't trust software at easter, halloween, christmas, newyears eve or april fools
[18:22] <HardyOne> lol
[18:22] <Seveas> or friday 13th
[18:22] <HardyOne> it was listed before easter and after newyears
[18:22] <burner> HardyOne: is it a usb sound card?  lsusb :)
[18:23] <HardyOne> burner, ???
[18:23] <burner> HardyOne: is it turned on in your BIOS
[18:23] <Seveas> is it plugged in?
[18:23] <burner> exactly :)
[18:23] <HardyOne> unless hardy can change bios yes it is enabled
[18:23] <Seveas> is the volume set to "OMG WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR RICK FROM 10 BLOCKS AWAY"?
[18:23] <HardyOne> it is onboard
[18:24] <HardyOne> rick? my name is John
[18:24] <HardyOne> and the hell with the neighbors
[18:24] <HardyOne> lol
[18:24] <Seveas> HardyOne, hah, you've obviously not been rickrolled yet :)
[18:24] <burner> well, if it doesn't show as a mixer device and doesn't show even in lspci, I'd dumbfounded
[18:24] <burner> i'm
[18:24] <Seveas> HardyOne, what's the problem, I just dropped in and missed the good bits
[18:25] <HardyOne> sound is not working
[18:25] <finalbeta> !pulseaudio
[18:25] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[18:25] <burner> no sound... doesn't show up in lspci even...  even if there was no kernel module for the card, it should show up in lspci
[18:25] <HardyOne> burner, does show in lspci
 lspci does list my sound card <----
[18:25] <HardyOne> DOES
[18:25] <Seveas> HardyOne, pastebin the output of amixer
[18:25] <Seveas> and lspci for that matter
[18:25] <HardyOne> gimme min
[18:26] <Seveas> oh, and do lsmod just for giggles
[18:26] <Seveas> and pastebin
[18:26]  * burner is diggin the new pulse audio for the most part...  still doesn't adjust volume on just my 'front' ports, but it works well enough
[18:26] <Seveas> pulse sucks here
[18:27] <Seveas> it keeps on (f-bomb)ing up my sound
[18:27] <HardyOne> Seveas, how do I get amixer output?
[18:27] <burner> the only app I have problems with is xlite (voip app that is binary and old old old)
[18:27] <Seveas> HardyOne, open terminal, type amixer
[18:27] <Seveas> select, copy with ctrl+shift+v
[18:27] <burner> ctrl+shift+c rather
[18:27] <burner> v == paste to term
[18:28] <Seveas> or better: (lspci; lsmod; amixer) > /tmp/tempfileforpastebin
[18:28] <Seveas> and paste the contents of /tmp/tempfileforpastebin
[18:28] <HardyOne> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60775/
[18:29] <burner> ooh, HardyOne, i have rev 02 of that same card!
[18:29] <HardyOne> I dont have /tmp/tempfileforpastebin Seveas
[18:29] <Seveas> I've got this one: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[18:29] <Seveas> HardyOne, pastebin the output of lsmod
[18:29] <burner> i know i know!
[18:29] <Devolved> hi all!
[18:30] <burner> i bet you made a new user HardyOne, and didn't add that user to the audio group :)
[18:30] <Devolved> what is the alt. to alsamixer on hardy?
[18:30]  * burner checks scrollback... amixer!
[18:30] <finalbeta> I upgraded from 7.10, changed everything in sound config to pulse audio. How do I get 5.1 sound working again, seems no configuration is included for this at all.
[18:30] <HardyOne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60776/
[18:31] <burner> HardyOne: i think you have a permissions issue... what if you type "sudo amixer"
[18:31] <HardyOne> burner, same output
[18:31] <Devolved> is there an amixer gui?
[18:32] <Seveas> HardyOne, paste the output of 'id' in here
[18:32] <burner> Devolved: ok, amixer isn't like alsamixer at all, my bad.  Did you try aumix?
[18:32] <Devolved> ok
[18:32] <HardyOne> uid=1000(idleone) gid=1000(idleone) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(fuse),108(lpadmin),114(admin),124(vboxusers),1000(idleone)
[18:32] <Seveas> burner, bad guess, he's in the audio group
[18:32]  * burner was wrong
[18:33] <Seveas> HardyOne, pastebin the contents of /var/log/kern.log
[18:33] <Devolved> so i'm using pulseaudio now? as of hardy?
[18:33] <Devolved> i must say, the name is much cooler than "alsa"
[18:33] <HardyOne> Seveas, not a dir.
[18:34] <burner> pulse doesn't replace alsa... pulse replaces esd
[18:34] <Seveas> HardyOne, it's a file, open it in a texteditor and copy the contents to the pastebin
[18:34] <Seveas> alsb should have replaced alsa
[18:34] <Seveas> or maybe alsc
[18:35]  * burner wonders when someone is going to pack miro 1.2 for hardy
[18:36] <Seveas> around the 12th of never :)
[18:36] <HardyOne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60777/ Seveas
[18:36] <orvokki> !info vlc
[18:36] <ubotu> vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.d-0ubuntu6 (hardy), package size 1107 kB, installed size 3220 kB
[18:36] <HardyOne> I heard the 11th but Seveas might know better
[18:36] <gunashekar> Advanced Linux Sound Broken (alsB)   , or alsc - confused
[18:36] <jf> How do I manually set network speed on wlan?
[18:36] <orvokki> We need a newer VLC in hardy!
[18:37] <Devolved> orvokki: you need a newer vlc ;-)
[18:37] <orvokki> 0.8.6.release.e should be the newest one. :)
[18:37] <orvokki> Devolved: I have it, I compiled it myself.
[18:37] <orvokki> The releases have important bugfixes so hardy should get the newest.
[18:37] <Devolved> ah cool
[18:39] <Seveas> HardyOne, try uninstalling virtualbox -- something deep in the plural Z regions of my mind says vbox can interfere with sound
[18:39] <Seveas> but I might be talking utter nonsense :)
[18:39] <HardyOne> Seveas, IIRC that is right around when sound went dead
[18:40]  * burner calls nonsense and listens to rhythmbox while having a virtualbox guest running
[18:40] <Seveas> HardyOne, well, then it might not be nonsense after all :)
[18:40] <Seveas> burner, I said might, not will :p
[18:40] <burner> for sure... worth a shot anyway, i don't have any better ideas :)
[18:40]  * Seveas neither
[18:41] <HardyOne> ok removed
[18:41] <HardyOne> still no sound
[18:42] <Seveas> did you remove the vbox kernel modules as well and reboot?
[18:42] <burner> HardyOne: try "pgrep -l pulse" and see if it returns "pulseaudio"
[18:42] <HardyOne> reboot? omg Seveas said reboot
[18:42] <burner> maybe pulseaudio isn't running
[18:43] <HardyOne> 5458 pulseaudio
[18:43] <HardyOne> Seveas, the kernel modules? not certain what package those are
[18:44] <Seveas> !search virtualbox
[18:44] <ubotu> Found: vbox, virtualizers, virtualbox
[18:44] <Seveas> !search vbox
[18:44] <ubotu> Found: vbox, virtualbox
[18:44] <burner> HardyOne: if you do "sudo apt-get remove virtualbox* --purge" you'll be fine
[18:44] <Seveas> !fund virtualbox
[18:44] <Seveas> !find virtualbox
[18:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fund virtualbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:44] <ubotu> Found: virtualbox-ose, virtualbox-ose-dbg, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-12-386, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-12-generic, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-12-rt (and 20 others)
[18:44] <Seveas> HardyOne, dpkg --get-selections | grep virtualbox
[18:45] <burner> Seveas: you still use freenx?  i remember back in edgy you had freenx packages... i've started using the full nomachine .deb's but just curious if you were still rockin it
[18:45] <Seveas> I don't
[18:45] <Seveas> nomachine is too crappy a company to support
[18:45] <burner> oh yeah?
[18:46] <Seveas> I'll live with vnc-over-openvpn
[18:46] <burner> i'm unfamiliar with their ways, but their remote access software works better than anything i've found
[18:46] <Seveas> burner, NX is one big security hole
[18:46] <Seveas> no fun
[18:46] <HardyOne> Seveas, that returns virtualbox-ose and it is uninstalled
[18:46] <Seveas> HardyOne, try a reboot
[18:46] <HardyOne> k
[18:46] <HardyOne> brb
[18:46] <burner> oh?  guess i'll switch... but i really like logging into a different session using my same user/pass when I login remotely on my 7" laptop to my 22" desktop
[18:47] <burner> i wonder if a reboot will just fix things anyway
[18:47] <Seveas> dunno
[18:49] <HardyOne> Seveas, no joy :/
[18:50] <Seveas> ah well, sucks to be you then :)
[18:50] <HardyOne> lol
[18:51] <HardyOne> the sound worked fine after fresh install then I did the virtualbox thing and the compiz-core thing and no sound
[18:52] <Myrth[home]> hi, is there a mem leak in networkmanager? after a day of running it takes 14% of 1G and i have to restart the service...
[18:52] <Seveas> Myrth[home], you shouldn't irc so much, it clogs up n-m :)
[18:53] <HardyOne> irc is a resource hog
[18:53] <Myrth[home]> Seveas: lol actually last time i've been on irc was a week ago :P
[18:54] <Myrth[home]> but i have ktorrent running, can it affect networkmanager mem load?
[18:54] <Seveas> it shouldn't
[18:54] <Seveas> n-m does not do actual packet mangling, just nic configuration
[18:54] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone here know how to adjust the volume level of the left/right audio channel?
[18:55] <Myrth[home]> so maybe wireless networks change all the time it can loose on each discovery?
[18:55] <hspaans> someone aware when gnome-utils is going to be updated to 2.22?
[18:56] <Myrth[home]> UnNaturalHigh: alsamixer?
[18:56] <UnNaturalHigh> Myrth[home], nothing to adjust left/right volume
[18:57] <hspaans> current gnome-utils package "breaks" gnome by using a different location for .Trash
[18:58] <Seveas> UnNaturalHigh, q and z for left volume, w and x for right
[18:58] <Myrth[home]> UnNaturalHigh: yep
[18:58] <Myrth[home]> k, ttyl
[19:02] <locomo> so anybody know why pidgin was downgraded to 2.3.1?
[19:03] <UnNaturalHigh> Seveas, sorry, is that in alsamixer?
[19:03] <Seveas> UnNaturalHigh, yes
[19:04] <UnNaturalHigh> Seveas, k, strange they don't have a bar for it though
[19:04] <Seveas> UnNaturalHigh, it works on every bar
[19:05] <Seveas> so you can make pci go only to the left and line in only to the right :)
[19:05] <theunixgeek> On booting the live cd, I keep getting a busybox thing. How do I get past this and actually boot?
[19:05] <UnNaturalHigh> Seveas, one of my laptop speakers crapped out, that is why I am asking
[19:06] <UnNaturalHigh> Seveas, thank you kindly!!
[19:06] <Infecto> hi, some one know nice tutorial how to buld own options based kernel? i need to enable PEM to use more than 4g ram
[19:06] <Seveas> Infecto, you need a 64bit kernel
[19:07] <Infecto> Seveas: no i dont
[19:08] <Infecto> i need to enable in kernel higmem 4g
[19:08] <Seveas> 32bit kernel can't support more than 4G
[19:08] <Seveas> pointers aren't big enough :)
[19:08] <LordDiabolus> Infecto, the 32-bit kernel supports up to 4GB, not past it
[19:11] <locomo> probably linux limitation since windows can support up to 32 GB with PAE on 32-bit system
[19:12] <Unksi> locomo: linux can do that as well, with bigmem support turned on from kernel
[19:12] <Infecto> LordDiabolus: and i need 4g
[19:12] <Infecto> LordDiabolus: now i have 3g
[19:12] <Seveas> Infecto, then you have a bad bios that 'hides' a gig
[19:13] <Infecto> hmm
[19:13] <Seveas> iirc there are some boot options to fix that
[19:13] <Unksi> oh there are?
[19:13] <Infecto> how to check that i have enabled pem in kernel right now?
[19:13] <Infecto> Seveas: that can be tru :) its hp pavilion nootebok
[19:13] <Infecto> ;)
[19:13] <Unksi> damn, did i sell that one stick away for nothing :P
[19:14] <Infecto> Seveas: mem=4gb you mean that parameters>
[19:14] <Seveas> Infecto, grep -i highmem /boot/grub/config-`uname -r`
[19:15] <Infecto> # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set
[19:15] <Infecto> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
[19:15] <Infecto> # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
[19:15] <Infecto> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
[19:15] <Infecto> # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
[19:15] <Infecto>  
[19:15] <Seveas> Infecto, could be, I have only 1.5G so I don't need the option :)
[19:15] <Infecto> so so so
[19:16] <Infecto> as we can se i have this option :)
[19:16] <Infecto> so its onlu bios problem
[19:18] <locomo> why you think its bios problem?
[19:19] <Infecto> if i have enabled high mem
[19:19] <Infecto> and i have this 4g in my pc
[19:19] <Infecto> so what can be problem?>
[19:19] <LordDiabolus> Infecto, http://www.brianmadden.com/content/article/The-4GB-Windows-Memory-Limit-What-does-it-really-mean-
[19:19] <LordDiabolus> infecto, pretty good article that explains it
[19:20] <locomo> well, i have seen someone here, his bios was fine, showed 4GB, but still he wasnt able to use all 4gb
[19:20] <locomo> what your bios show?
[19:20] <LordDiabolus> 4GB?  Will anyone ever need more than 640k???  ;)
[19:20] <Infecto> but :) ok ok in bios i see 4g ram :) so
[19:21] <Infecto> LordDiabolus: good point! :)
[19:21] <savvas> a server? :P
[19:24] <Marco> Good day
[19:24] <locomo> night
[19:25] <Infecto> ok
[19:25] <Marco> when I boot the install disk, I always end up in busybox
[19:25] <Marco> I have a SATA dvdrw drive
[19:25] <Marco> on an Intel ICHR-7 controller
[19:26] <Marco> bad axe 2 motherboard
[19:27] <Seveas> biggest server here has 32G :)
[19:27] <Marco> is there a solution?
[19:27] <LordDiabolus> Marco,  did you try the alternate installer CD?
[19:27] <Marco> LordDiabolus, no I've not
[19:27] <Marco> LordDiabolus, I don't see how that would change it though
[19:27] <LordDiabolus> Marco, I've read reports that it's a workaround for that problem.
[19:28] <Marco> it's clearly a kernel level problem
[19:28] <Marco> hmm
[19:28] <Marco> I'll give it a try
[19:28] <LordDiabolus> Marco, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4493344
[19:28] <locomo> omg not only gnome not included new "view" modes in nautilus, but also i cant sort files by extension now. this is freaking amazing
[19:30] <DarphBobo> locomo, sorting by extension is different from "arrange by file types" ?
[19:30] <locomo> yes
[19:31] <burner> you should show the "mime type" and sort by it i suppose
[19:32] <burner> still not what you're after though
[19:32] <locomo> it seems it same as sorting by type
[19:33] <tortho> I used a script to capture digital video before under 7.04 ... now in Hardy it complains that popd and pushd commands is not found... have I missed some package or ... why are these shell commands gone?
[19:36] <XceII> is flash broken?
[19:36] <nikrud> flash seems to freeze for me, then when I move the slider it plays for a few seconds, and freezes
[19:37] <theunixgeek_> I can't get my screen resolution over 800x600. I did the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg thing and enabled restricted drivers, but it won't let me go to 1280x1024.
[19:37] <XceII> same here
[19:37] <theunixgeek_> How do I fix this?
[19:37] <Seveas> buy a bigger monitor
[19:37] <theunixgeek_> Seveas: the resolution was right 5 minutes ago.
[19:38] <Seveas> theunixgeek_, then travel back in time 5 minutes. Just make sure you stay on the same probability coordinates or you might end up on NowWhat
[19:39] <HorizonXP> how do I set up multiple monitors?
[19:39] <HorizonXP> my laptop has a VGA port and a DVI port that I hook up two 22" LCD screens to
[19:39] <Seveas> HorizonXP, system -> prefs -> screen resolution
[19:39] <theunixgeek_> Seveas: well, that's helpful...
[19:40] <HorizonXP> Seveas: nothing shows up except my laptop screen. does it matter that my built-in card is Nvidia, so ie. non-open drivers
[19:40] <Seveas> theunixgeek_, sorry, it's easter, my brain has shut down due to easter egg overdose.
[19:40] <HorizonXP> in Gutsy, I had to use NVidia's setting manager
[19:40] <Seveas> HorizonXP, that matters
[19:40] <theunixgeek_> lol
[19:40] <theunixgeek_> HorizonXP: ooh, good idea!
[19:40] <theunixgeek_> thanks
[19:40] <Seveas> HorizonXP, in hardy you'll need it as well
[19:40] <sto`> Anybody else have problems with images being black?
[19:40] <sto`> in Firefox?
[19:40] <HorizonXP> Seveas: ok, good enough. I was just hoping that had changed
[19:41] <LordDiabolus> sto`, yep, i have that for image auto-fit.  When i click on them, it fixes.  Not sure why yet.
[19:41] <HorizonXP> you know what'd be awesome?
[19:41] <HorizonXP> having all 3 screens on at once
[19:41] <sto`> LordDiabolus: Yes exactly.
[19:41] <LordDiabolus> sto`, do you have a unichrome video chipset too?
[19:42] <sto`> LordDiabolus: No, nvidia
[19:42] <HorizonXP> wait, hold up
[19:42] <LordDiabolus> sto`, hmmm, there goes my theory then...
[19:42] <HorizonXP> nvidia-settings is going to modify my xorg.conf file. is that different in hardy?
[19:42] <HorizonXP> I thought those were obsolete now
[19:44] <scottONanski> Hello..
[19:44] <LordDiabolus> sto`, give me a bit, I'm gonna try checking this out.  (Just went to Hardy yesterday, so still feeling things out here)
[19:45] <scottONanski> I was wondering how I would go about using AIXGL instead of XGL on Ubuntu Hardy? I'm using an Nvidia Card 8600M GT.
[19:45] <sto`> bug 182038
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xorg-server "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[19:46] <scottONanski> The moduel section of my Xorg says load xgl, would I simply change that to AIXGL? :)
[19:46] <scottONanski> Sorry, it's says "glx"
[19:46] <JobsSteveJobs> what would be the same command as dtruss for osx but for ubuntu? I was told to come here and ask?
[19:47] <LordDiabolus> sto` yep, that's the bug
[19:48] <hspaans> JobsSteveJobs: strace
[19:48] <scottONanski> Anyone?
[19:48] <JobsSteveJobs> Much appreciated hspaans. Good day
[19:49] <sto`> LordDiabolus: Reported in January and unfortunately it looks like no fix available yet.
[19:49] <amx109> my 'trash' system in gnome is broken. keeps bringing up error messages about being unable to move files to Deleted Items folder. can anyone shed any light?
[19:50] <LordDiabolus> sto`, in xorg.conf: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"    <--works for some nv driver users
[19:50] <hspaans> amx109: gnome-utils is still 2.20 for example
[19:50] <hspaans> amx109: there now two locations for .Trash
[19:51] <amx109> hspaans, oh!
[19:51] <amx109> hspaans, what are the two locations?
[19:51] <scottONanski> How do I use AIXGL instead of XGL?
[19:52] <hspaans> amx109:  ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ ~/.Trash/
[19:52] <DrHalan> hey guys, does 8.4 work with the eee scripts and how much space does it take on the SDD? :)
[19:53] <amx109> DrHalan, which eee script(s) are you using?
[19:53] <volkodav> How do I tell that I run 64 bit?
[19:54] <hspaans> volkodav: uname -a
[19:54] <LordDiabolus> vokodav, uname-a
[19:54] <volkodav> Linux Core2Duo64bit 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:54] <DrHalan> amx109: im not using any sitill waiting for it
[19:54] <volkodav> does not say
[19:55] <DrHalan> but im looking for the OS im going to use
[19:55] <amx109> DrHalan, ah. im using 8.04 on my eee
[19:55] <LordDiabolus> vokodav, the "i686" part says it's the normal 32-bit one
[19:55] <volkodav> hspaans the line does not say it's 64 bit
[19:55] <hspaans> volkodav: Linux defiant 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:55] <amx109> DrHalan, there are a few scripts for 7.10 avail for tweaking the lil things. i had to break down the script into its components to aply the ones i wanted
[19:56] <DrHalan> ok
[19:56] <hspaans> volkodav: notice the x86_64
[19:56] <volkodav> yes
[19:56] <volkodav> mine does not say that
[19:56] <volkodav> I am on 8.04 though
[19:56] <amx109> DrHalan, as for space, it takes most of the ssd, but i mounted an SD card as /home and with 2GB of mem its pretty good on ssd usage. oh and i dont have swap
[19:56] <DrHalan> hm
[19:56] <volkodav> and i remember I burnt AMD-64 version
[19:57] <DrHalan> im not sure if i should go for it :
[19:57] <DrHalan> but im already pretty used to ubntu
[19:57] <scottONanski> Is it possible to use aixgl, instead of xgl on Hardy?
[19:57] <DrHalan> what about eeeXubuntu? and EeeBuntu?
[19:57] <amx109> i miss the quick boot times of the defalt OS. but ubuntu offers me so much more
[19:57] <DrHalan> scottONanski: isnt that the standart?
[19:57] <DrHalan> what about battery?
[19:58] <scottONanski> DRHalan: I'm not too sure. I thought it was XGL.
[19:58] <scottONanski> DrHalan: Am I mistaken?
[19:58] <volkodav> hspaans - maybe in 8.04 it does not say so? And I have INTEL  too
[19:59] <DrHalan> AIGLX is the default im pretty sure
[19:59] <amx109> DrHalan, battery duration seems fine, though i havent tested it. lesswatts.org has some handy tips to improve things
[19:59] <DrHalan> XGL is only needed on ATI cards and makes 3D apps fucking slow
[19:59] <scottONanski> Okay, thanks.
[20:00] <DrHalan> amx109: what about www.eeebuntu.org the page looks a bit unmaintained
[20:00] <jordan_> DrHalan, scottONanski And in Hardy it's not even needed for ATI cards :)
[20:00] <scottONanski> jordan, Awesome. Thanks. :)
[20:00] <amx109> DrHalan, i think its a fairly recent thing. eeexubuntu is more mature and 'easier' to instal in terms of getting the eee to full functionality quickly
[20:01] <volkodav> anybody else runs Core 2 Duo 64 with 8.04?
[20:01] <volkodav> I am pretty sure I installed 64 bit
[20:01] <volkodav> any other way to check ?
[20:02] <hspaans> volkodav: ls -l /emul
[20:02] <DrHalan> amx109: i never used Xfce either :S hm dunno how it is like
[20:02] <scottONanski> I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting better Compiz performance from my Pentium d 3.40 256 Nvidia AGPx8 Desktop, than my Core 2 duo 1.50 512 Nvidia 8600M GT PCI
[20:02] <volkodav> ls: cannot access /emul: No such file or directory
[20:02] <scottONanski> laptop*
[20:02] <prometheus2> volkodav: uname -r
[20:02] <DrHalan> also is EEEXubuntu containting all the ubuntu apps cause some arent really needed
[20:03] <volkodav> 2.6.24-12-generic
[20:03] <hspaans> volkodav: you got the i386 version and not the amd64
[20:03] <amx109> DrHalan, you can no doubt apt-get install them but then theres a case for installing ubuntu
[20:03] <volkodav> hmm should I upgrade or reinstall?
[20:03] <hspaans> reinstall this isn't Solaris
[20:03] <volkodav> ok
[20:04] <prometheus2> is 64bit linux usable (used 64bit gentoo a year and a half ago)
[20:04] <amx109> DrHalan, eeexbuntu has its own apps. d/l a live cd and try. easiest way
[20:04] <hspaans> prometheus2: yes and no
[20:05] <drhawk> hi
[20:05] <amx109> scottONanski, haveu tried using envyng to get the latest nvidia driver?
[20:05] <jussio1> !envy
[20:05] <hspaans> prometheus2: but for most people 32bit is more then enough
[20:05] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:05] <prometheus2> hspaans: you still need the 32bit libs?
[20:05] <amx109> ta jussi01
[20:05] <jussio1> :)
[20:05] <hspaans> prometheus2: full 64 bit is useless, so yes
[20:06] <scottONanski> amx109: Yes. I used it. For both by Desktop (AGPx8) and my laptop (PCI-e)
[20:06] <prometheus2> hspaans: as long as I can access a full 4 gigs of ram (new intel chipset)
[20:06] <drhawk> i installed 8.04 + kde4, after doing a 'apt-get upgrade' my wlan does not work any more. networkmanager throws exceptions about thread-lib
[20:06] <drhawk> 8.04 beta
[20:06] <drhawk> wlan is working fine before i upgraded
[20:07] <hspaans> prometheus2: having a 64 bit userland is not worth the trouble right now. Solaris has proven that for years now
[20:07] <scottONanski> Ah, I will try the drivers from the ubuntu repo.
[20:08] <DrHalan> also i saw a nice vid of KDE4 on eee :D
[20:09] <prometheus2> hspaans: I just wanted it for support for a full 4 gigs or more of ram
[20:10] <hspaans> prometheus2: in kernelland or userland?
[20:10] <prometheus2> hspaans: userland
[20:11] <prometheus2> poor p0bby
[20:12] <hspaans> prometheus2: then you maybe in for some trouble ahead
[20:13] <burken> i get a sigsegv error when i play a game.. how can i trace what process that caused it?
[20:13] <prometheus2> hspaans: if the kernel is compiled with highmem support and I do not have the bad intel chipset (945; 965 is fine I think) then all is good?
[20:13] <Nuke_> can the kernel be told to avoid sending some app's memory to swap?
[20:14] <hspaans> this reminds me, someone aware of project within ubuntu to implementing and enforcing elfsign?
[20:15] <Infecto> ok, now :) when i install -server kernel i can use mor than 3g ram i see all 4g ram
[20:15] <hspaans> prometheus2: it works, but it was limited to 3G of memory for userland if memory serves me right
[20:16] <Infecto> but on noral kenrle i see that i have enabled 4g ram but i can only see 4 gr ram
[20:16] <Infecto> sry
[20:16] <Infecto> 3 g ram
[20:16] <poseidon> I downloaded the ubuntu ubuntu-8.04-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent, then unrared it.  However, I can't find the wubi installer
[20:16] <prometheus2> hspaans: even with the highmem support (it would be a software issue if you have an updated chipset)
[20:16] <locomo> unrared torrent?
[20:17] <Infecto> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
[20:17] <Infecto> # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
[20:17] <prometheus2> just mount the iso the installer will pop up
[20:17] <Infecto> schould i set 64 too?
[20:17] <burken> you arent supposed to unrar it..
[20:17] <prometheus2> shouldn't need to
[20:17] <poseidon> prometheus2, I can't find the iso
[20:17] <locomo> you even cant unrar .torrent file :P
[20:18] <prometheus2> poseidon: what did you unrar then?
[20:18] <hspaans> prometheus2: you get a performance hit with more then 850MB of ram om a 32bit machine and you can only have 1G for the kernel and  3G for userland (it was 2G/2G)
[20:18] <poseidon> Locomo, aparrently you can unrar an ISO though.  Cuase thats what I did by accident
[20:18] <locomo> poseidon: rar it back :P
[20:19] <poseidon> prometheus2, so I should just burn the cd and stick it in?
[20:19] <jordan_> poseidon, Do you still have the .iso file?
[20:19] <burken> hehe did you erase the .iso?
[20:19] <poseidon> locomo, I still have the iso file
[20:19] <prometheus2> hspaans: better then nothing, I just want it for VM usage
[20:19] <prometheus2> poseidon: that would work
[20:19] <jordan_> poseidon, You can use something to mount it in windows ( daemon tools? )
[20:20] <poseidon> I'll just burn it, that will be easiest.
[20:20] <hspaans> prometheus2: but 64bit gets better and most problems where fixed by Debian years ago with Sparc64, PPC64 and Alpha. most issues nowadays are with third party closed source stuff
[20:20] <poseidon> I have alchohol 120%
[20:20] <jordan_> poseidon, If you just want a VM just point your virtual machine software at the iso
[20:20] <rinaldi_> flash movies are freezing in firefox, I installed the flash with ubuntu restricted extras. anyone else having the same problem?
[20:20] <benanzo> Can I direct non-proxy-aware apps to a socks or http proxy via a firewall?  is it possible?
[20:20] <prometheus2> hspaans: like nvidia and the like?
[20:21] <jordan_> benanzo, You can use something like soxify, not sure if that is what you are trying to do
[20:21] <burken> i get a sigsegv error when i play a game.. how can i trace what is  causing it?
[20:21] <poseidon> jordan_, doesn't virtual machines work slowly though?  I here if you use wubi ubuntu is a lot faster
[20:22] <hspaans> prometheus2: jups, but most FOSS alternatives just work
[20:22] <prometheus2> poseidon: usually about 80% of full
[20:22] <jordan_> poseidon, I thought you were going to use a virtual machine, I misunderstood
[20:22] <prometheus2> hspaans: ok thanks for being my google
[20:22] <nandemonai> rinaldi_, I've had that a couple times, reinstalling the plugin seemed to fix it though.
[20:23] <hspaans> prometheus2: more using 64bit for over 10 years now so I got my share of trouble ;-) but np
[20:24] <benanzo> thnx jordan_ but I'm looking to make an app that doesn't support proxy go through the proxy anyway by redirecting all it's connection attempts through the proxy at the firewall level
[20:24] <rinaldi_> nandemonai: ok thanks il try
[20:24] <prometheus2> hspaans: I tried it out a while back but all it is useful for is for using greater then 4 gigs of ram
[20:25] <hspaans> benanzo: yes with netfilter you can
[20:25] <prometheus2> hspaans: what do you think of ipfw?
[20:26] <sakura> where is framebuffer support in the actual kernel ? i made a grep to the .config and doesnt seems to be there
[20:26] <sakura> s/where/there
[20:27] <benanzo> I've been using ufw in hardy for a bit and really like it but it doesn't support filtering outbound yet (or I can't figure it out) nor does it do port forwarding.  I guess I'll have to dig into the iptables stuff by hand
[20:27] <prometheus2> ya, I meant ufw
[20:28] <Artimus> benanzo: They're looking at rewriting it for Intrepid to add more features...
[20:28] <hspaans> prometheus2: haven't used ufw and desktops shoudl be able to run without
[20:29] <benanzo> 'sudo ufw deny from any to any'
[20:29] <poseidon> prometheus2, I burned the cd, then stuck it in and nothing happened (it said that it couldn't find a program to start it with)
[20:29] <benanzo> should block all outbound but it doesn't
[20:30] <prometheus2> odd
[20:30] <hspaans> prometheus2: things like ufw are going to break when ipv6 comes in to your home
[20:31] <jin> my system is pissing me off today
[20:31] <prometheus2> hspaans: ipv6 isn't happening for awhile unfortunately
[20:31] <Artimus> benanzo: ufw is incoming only
[20:31] <benanzo> ufw supports ipv6
[20:31] <jin> I am encoding a video, but I have set it to nice +20 (very low pirority ) and yet I can't play music smoothly
[20:32] <hspaans> prometheus2: ipv6 is coming faster then you may expect
[20:32] <LordDiabolus> hspaans: not if you live in USA
[20:32] <Artimus> benanzo: ufw deny from any to any blocks all incoming, from what I can see
[20:32] <savvas> jin: then set the music application priority to 1 :)
[20:32] <prometheus2> hspaans: as soon as I can get a block of ips from comcast or verison then I'll jump on it
[20:32] <benanzo> isn't that contrary to normal pf-style syntax though?
[20:33] <benanzo> deny to any from any
[20:33] <benanzo> would block incoming
[20:33] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: I have ipv6 for 4 a 5 years now at home and the usa is not the reason, asia is
[20:33]  * HorizonXP <3 Hardy
[20:33] <jin> savvas: 1? do you mean -20?
[20:33] <HorizonXP> Rhythmbox searches for the codec like it should!!!
[20:33] <savvas> jin: it could be using external commands/applications in order to encode it, check your system monitor, right click on the app and select change priority
[20:33] <jin> nice value -20 is for highest priority
[20:33] <savvas> jin: oops, true :)
[20:34] <LordDiabolus> hsppans: absolutely I agree, but People in the U.S. don't care about Asian addresses running out.  I don't think you'll start seeing major migrations until the next "big thing" is only accessible through it.
[20:34] <prometheus2> I know they implemented some ipv6 root dns servers but they can't do it fast enough
[20:34] <jin> savvas: how do I find that process?
[20:34] <savvas> yeah, People in the U.S. never actually cared to anything outside their borders :p
[20:35] <jin> because with system monitor I already did that
[20:35] <savvas> no offense :)
[20:35] <Artimus> benanzo: There's not a full PF syntax yet.  Look at the syntax.  ufw [--dry-run] [delete]  allow|deny  [proto  protocol]  [from  ADDRESS [port PORT]] [to ADDRESS [port PORT]]
[20:35] <jin> it doesn't help
[20:35] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: the US isn't a factor in this, sorry
[20:35] <LordDiabolus> savvas is correct.  I'm American and I don't care about it at all. :)
[20:35] <savvas> jin: click on the label "CPU", it will show you which process eats up your processor
[20:36] <prometheus2> hspaans: all the businesses using XP would cry foul
[20:36] <LordDiabolus> hsppans, sure it is, because if the Amazons and Myspaces don't switch, there will be nothing that makes the rest of the nation switch, and since we control over 3/4 of the address space...
[20:36] <jin> savvas: yea, I did that
[20:36] <hspaans> prometheus2: root F is ipv6 and google is running an ipv6 experiment to have full ipv6 support in 2010 to get money from asian people
[20:36] <jin> it is HandBrake CLI that eats up all the cpu resources.
[20:36] <jin> but the status indicates that it is sleeping :\
[20:36] <jin> but the cpu usage is 55%
[20:37] <prometheus2> jin: check for mencoder or ffmpeg
[20:37] <savvas> jin: i honestly don't know what that application is, but prometheus2 is right :)
[20:37] <jin> prometheus, nope, none of those is in `ps aux`
[20:38] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: you know over 50% of the people online can't read English? but the US isn't a factor anyymore sorry
[20:38] <prometheus2> it is the app that actually does the encoding
[20:38] <jin> savvas: it is a video encoding software
[20:38] <savvas> jin: try acidrip
[20:38] <jin> savvas: I have tried that yesterday, acidrip couldn't detects the subtitles correctly :\
[20:39] <prometheus2> hspaans: but we are the single largest group
[20:39] <LordDiabolus> hsppans Absolutely I agree, but the fact of the matter is still ownership of the address space.  The U.S. most likely won't switch until it is forced to, same with the E.U.  I think you'll see them run in tandem for a good ten years before ipv4 goes away.  It's sad, but true.  In the meantime, I'll keep running my dump dhcpd :)
[20:39] <hspaans> prometheus2: s/are/where/
[20:40] <savvas> jin: ah ok then, try nice handbrake from the system monitor  change priority, maybe it will obey :P
[20:40] <prometheus2> hspaans: English speakers are the largest group online
[20:41] <jin> savvas: that is what I did. I tried to nice it in System Monitor. :(
[20:41] <DrHalan> do you guys use KDE4 and how is it compared to GNOME?
[20:41] <jin> savvas: how do u nice a process in the command line?
[20:42] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with usb devices? Can't mount them
[20:43] <DrHalan> lime4x4: yes me tooo
[20:43] <savvas> jin: i think it's nice -n=-20 handbrake
[20:43] <hspaans> LordDiabolus:the ipv4 fade out will take a while yes, but ipv6 only content is coming and very soon
[20:43] <lime4x4> find any work arounds?
[20:43] <savvas> jin: oops, -n=20 sorry :)
[20:44] <LordDiabolus> hspaans People have been saying that for 12 years now.  I'll believe it when I see it. :)
[20:44] <hydrogen> hspaans: people have been saying that for years now..
[20:44] <DrHalan> was kinda painful showing my friends the new cool ubuntu and i couldnt use a simpel usb stick (tried like 4)
[20:44] <lime4x4> i have a problem wuth a usc cdrom drive and a camera
[20:44] <prometheus2> they work for me
[20:45] <DrHalan> now that works finde
[20:45] <DrHalan> just the memory ones
[20:45] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: move to Japan ;-)
[20:45] <jin> savvas: solved the problem
[20:45] <jin> I should run nice -n 20 command
[20:46] <LordDiabolus> hspaans Oh please, there's no Internet in Japan! LOL
[20:46] <jin> it seems you can't changethe nice value during the process
[20:46] <ysth1> DrHalan: whenever showing friends things, try it in private first, like R. Feynman and the O ring
[20:46] <Jordan_U> LordDiabolus, I don't know, after Canada finished their National Igloo anything is possible
[20:48] <prometheus2> I do love feynman
[20:48] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: your all American we can tell ;-)
[20:49] <LordDiabolus> hspaans hehehehe Ride 'em Cowboy!
[20:49] <prometheus2> lol
[20:49] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: you know we the Dutch owned your country ;-)
[20:50] <LordDiabolus> hspaans Parts of it yes, you shared it with Spain, the Brits, France, even a few Eskimoes :)
[20:51] <hspaans> LordDiabolus: only with the Brits and not with those garlic eaters ;-)
[20:51] <LordDiabolus> hspaans well Spain owned Florida, but nobody here likes Florida anyway, except for Disney fans. :)
[20:53] <jin> screw this. I'm leave my pc on tonite to encode instead of now
[20:53] <jin> :(
[20:53] <Jaymac> LordDiabolus, the French are the garlic eaters, not the Spanish.  Well at least, it is the French that are stereotyped for it.,
[20:54] <LordDiabolus> jaymac I thought the French just ate croissants and pastries? ;)
[20:55] <ysth1> and frogs.  don't forget the frogs
[20:55] <ysth1> frog croissants
[20:55] <LordDiabolus> Okay, I've pulled this channel OT long enough, later all!
[20:55] <Jaymac> LordDiabolus, what about the onions, snails and frogs' legs?
[20:55] <hspaans> prometheus2: but call comcast and as for ipv6, there network should be ready by now (it was announced on an ipv6 meeting in January if I'm not mistaken)
[20:55] <Jaymac> Anyway, isn't this just ever so slightly off-topic ;)
[20:56] <hspaans> Jaymac: no its localisation of Ubuntu ;-)
[20:56] <prometheus2> kk
[21:00]  * hspaans is not going to be happy with pulseaudio in its current form
[21:04] <poningru> hspaans++
[21:06] <mluser> Can someone tell me if I still have to use the 'Alternate Install CD' in order to have grub installed into another partition other than the first one?
[21:09] <prometheus2> comcast is stupid
[21:09] <burner> lol
[21:11] <prometheus2> on the phone with them
[21:12] <prometheus2> and apparently I'm a woman
[21:13] <ysth1> comcast is ridiculous
[21:13] <prometheus2> YES
[21:13] <mluser> Can I install grub into another partition (sda7 instead of sda) with the Hardy Heron Beta desktop installer?
[21:13] <rinaldi_> hi anyone here play team fortress 2 in wine? after hardy, the graphics have improved but even on the lowest settings I can't get a decent framerate
[21:14] <prometheus2> they do not know what ipv6 is
[21:15] <prometheus2> keep referencing windows vista
[21:15] <prometheus2> this if fun
[21:16] <prometheus2> rinaldi_: I know that you can add a -opengl switch to some steam programs to make it run in opengl
[21:16] <Jordan_U> mluser, You could do it with Feisty so I would assume so
[21:17] <ysth1> worked for an ecommerce site; order-related emails to @comcast addresses were being silently dropped somewhere on their end, and despite enormous effort on our part, they showed no interest in fixing it.  we gave up and told customers thereafter (by phone) to drop comcast.  since then, I've heard other sites or small ISPs who had the same thing happen
[21:17] <mluser> Jordan_U: with Feisty I recall having to use the alternate cd in order to choose where I wanted to install grub
[21:17] <ysth1> if they can't either deliver or refuse email, they are just not worth dealing with
[21:18] <mluser> Jordan_U: what I'm trying to do is chainlink from an existing grub install to the hardy one
[21:18] <prometheus2> they don't want to fix their email filtering QQ
[21:19] <jin> I can't believe this. Even just checking for updates for my system, I get audio drops...  just like Windows :(
[21:19] <rinaldi_> prometheus2: i think it was directx problem, winehq is helping out :)
[21:20] <gew1> hey guy can i still use my mouse while using cli ?
[21:20] <finalbeta> updated my laptop and my desktop today. The laptop no longer boots. Just shows continuous disk access, on terminal one it drops to bussybox and gives me a prompt (initramfs)
[21:20] <finalbeta> any idea's, any general problems going on?
[21:21] <prometheus2> nice
[21:23] <Canaris_> Hey
[21:23] <Canaris_> Is anybody else experiencing Networking/WLAN problems with Ubuntu 8.04 beta after a recent update (yesterday I think) ???
[21:23] <prometheus2> I can't use bcm43xx atm
[21:24] <prometheus2> and comcast makes me cry at night
[21:24] <Canaris_> I'm using rt73 (USB D-Link DWL-G122 rev. C) and it worked in the initial installation
[21:24] <Canaris_> but since the last update ( i think yesterday) it stopped working
[21:25] <gew1> Canaris_: do u have problems with network-manager ?
[21:25] <larson9999> i'm sure there's good reason but seems like all of the admin guis i want to use are all greyed out :(
[21:26] <gew1> i had to remove network-manager and i do my wifi manually
[21:26] <finalbeta> larson9999: there usually is a button to unlock them.
[21:26] <gew1> i am using b43 , and it also stoped workin
[21:26] <Canaris_> gew1, ,  I am not a 100% sure, but I am pretty sure that's where the problem lies, so yes
[21:26] <gew1> Canaris_: sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[21:26] <gew1> then do it manually
[21:26] <gew1> did it for me
[21:26] <Canaris_> gew1, did u get it to work when doing it manually?
[21:26] <gew1> yes
[21:26] <larson9999> finalbeta, there isn't for services
[21:27] <gew1> i am using it right now
[21:27] <larson9999> finalbeta, or the maintain group gui either
[21:27] <gew1> Canaris_: i wasnt able to use WPA2 tho , i went down to WEP
[21:27] <Canaris_> gew1, ok gr8. Gonna have to do the same thing. Nevertheless, any clues as to what the issue in NM might be?
[21:27] <larson9999> i could use wpa
[21:27] <gew1> Canaris_: its libhal1 related
[21:27] <Canaris_> gew1, i think wpa_supplicant should be standard in ubuntu
[21:28] <finalbeta>     hahah, ubuntu detected that my wireless card need an update, so it disabled it, then asks me to download the update. bit hard while it's disabled.
[21:28] <gew1> Canaris_: if u remove it and do it manually should do it bro
[21:28] <Canaris_> gew1, ok will do i guess
[21:28] <Canaris_> gew1, so do other people have similar issues as well?
[21:29] <gew1> Canaris_: yes , major bug
[21:29] <gew1> is not driver related !  so u good to go
[21:29] <gew1> i went extreme , and killed gui :D
[21:30] <Canaris_> gew1, hehe, but hey....it works now! ;-)
[21:30] <gew1> sweet
[21:31] <Canaris_> gew1, how do u configure it using WEP? I only know the wpa_supplicant way. Is it similar to that?
[21:31] <gew1> k
[21:31] <Canaris_> just out of curiosity
[21:31] <gew1> its  ... sudo iwconfig mode managed essid foo key boo
[21:31] <gew1> simple then sudo dhclient eth1
[21:31] <gew1> and voila :D
[21:32] <prometheus2> lets play the phone switch shuffle
[21:32] <larson9999> well printing's not working.  the printer has the same ip address that shows in the printer gui.  the printer gui says the doc is in t he gueue.  but it's not printing
[21:32] <gew1> i have a dell inspiron btw
[21:34] <Canaris_> ok even easiert than using wpa_supplicant
[21:34] <larson9999> gew1, so do i
[21:35] <gew1> larson9999: sweet , b43 can be a pain , buty it works
[21:35] <Canaris_> oh and last thing. any progress in fixing this bug already?
[21:35] <gew1> Canaris_: i checked launchpad and it was critical
[21:35] <gew1> so  a fix should be coming soon
[21:36] <Canaris_> larson9999, i used to have a bcm4312. It was a bit of a mess finding the right firmware, since most the files that are available online are for 4316 or so
[21:36] <Canaris_> but once I had it, it was stable
[21:36] <gew1> Canaris_: thats the reason i am using hardy
[21:36] <gew1> so i can use b43 instead of bcm43xx
[21:37] <gew1> cause of the kernel
[21:37] <Canaris_> gew1, whats the difference?
[21:37] <gew1> hardy uses 2.6.24 , and i can do sniffin and all the good stuff
[21:37] <larson9999> Canaris_, i'm using ndiswrapper and seems to be doing great.
[21:37] <gew1> with bcm not sure it works
[21:38] <Canaris_> gew1, awesome
[21:39] <Canaris_> larson9999, no wonder. ndiswrapper gets u online with just about anything :)
[21:42] <rpedro> is there a page for the latest known issues for the beta?
[21:42] <akaineko> hello there. does anyone has an issue, when ubuntu just freezes up. mouse pointer is moving, but that's it.
[21:42] <Canaris_> launchpad probably
[21:43] <larson9999> akaineko, lots of people have that issue.  for me it seems to be the cup scaling/power management stuff
[21:44] <Canaris_> Can't believe how much feedback they're getting
[21:45] <Canaris_> Good to see that there are that many k/x/edu/ubuntu users
[21:47] <akaineko> larson9999: any way to fix it ?
[21:49] <larson9999> akaineko, on this laptop disabling the cupfrequency daemon seems to have done it.
[21:50] <larson9999> akaineko, but i think there are lots of causes for those symptons
[21:52] <larson9999> guess i'll have to administer the old fashioned way.
[21:53] <noelferreira> my brigthness applet is always increasing and decresasing the brightness randomly. is this a known bug or i have a phisycal problem?
[21:53] <Roey> hello
[21:53] <Roey> hello... question about kubuntu 8.04 and the NVidia Geforce 9600..  Does it work?  At all?  I tried installing NVidia's beta drivers, but the installer reports errors with finding/removing GLX libs
[21:53] <larson9999> noelferreira, are you on a laptop?
[21:54] <Roey> also, for some reason, the scroll wheel evokes a horizontal scroll isntead of a vertical one.
[21:54] <noelferreira> yes larson9999
[21:54] <larson9999> is it when it's on battery power?
[21:55] <noelferreira> both cases. but my battery died! :) so i can't check. it is charging but in fact it doesn't charge. :(
[21:56] <larson9999> noelferreira, when i first installed, mine got real dim when i was in battery mode.  so bad i couldn't see much.  i changed the settings in the power manager but it didn't take effect until i rebooted.  seems to be ok now.
[21:57] <spiderfire> how do i get gnash to work
[21:58] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: why do you want gnash?
[21:58] <spiderfire> cause someone said it was good
[21:58] <RAOF> spiderfire: Install the "mozilla-plugin-gnash" package, and restart Firefox.
[21:58] <spiderfire> you get your vid card to work?
[21:58] <larson9999> spiderfire, i think that guy was smokin' something :)
[21:59] <ethana2> spiderfire: it is not good
[21:59] <ethana2> spiderfire: but it will be the best
[21:59] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: nah i couldn't, i ended up doing a clean install with 8.04. works fine now.  i don't really have the time to mess around with the packages
[21:59] <larson9999> spiderfire, i saw it but i couldn't believe it
[21:59] <spiderfire> RAOF: i tried
[21:59] <ethana2> spiderfire: ...in a fer years
[21:59] <ethana2> few*
[21:59] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: youre better off using flashplugin-nonfree
[21:59] <akaineko> larson9999: how can i disable... that thing... ?
[21:59] <ethana2> unless you're not on x86
[22:00] <RAOF> ethana2: I was surprised.  Gnash plays youtube just fine, now.
[22:01] <larson9999> akaineko, well it's in the services gui.  but all the services are greyed out now.  guess i got to figure that policy kit thing out.
[22:01] <larson9999> RAOF, you mean gnash is getting usable?
[22:02] <larson9999> ROAF i don't believe it.
[22:02] <RAOF> Yes, totally.  Try the 0.8.2 release (our current packages).
[22:02] <akaineko> larson9999:  so a new to linux like me can't really do anything to it ?
[22:02] <ethana2> RAOF: youtube, yes
[22:02] <Jordan_U> RAOF, interface buttons in the correct place and all? How much CPU does it use?
[22:02] <ethana2> newgrounds and homestarrunner?
[22:02] <ethana2> ...no
[22:03] <KalEl> did anybody else see that monitor doesn't go to suspend mode in hardy?
[22:03] <larson9999> akaineko, well maybe a noob shouldn't be installing a beta version of anything :)
[22:03] <RAOF> ethana2: Man, it _almost_ does homestarrunner.com :)
[22:04] <ethana2> RAOF: seriously?
[22:04] <larson9999> RAOF, ok.  i'm gonna try it.
[22:04] <Roey> Hello
[22:04] <Roey> anyone here use kde?
[22:04] <Roey> also, for some reason, the scroll wheel evokes a horizontal scroll isntead of a vertical one.
[22:05] <Roey> ...and a question about kubuntu 8.04 and the NVidia Geforce 9600..  Does it work?  At all?  I tried installing NVidia's beta drivers, but the installer reports errors with finding/removing GLX libs
[22:05] <akaineko> larson9999:  ermmm... am i in the wrong channel ? %) i have ubuntu 7.10
[22:05] <larson9999> akaineko, oh, yeah, you're in the wrong channel.
[22:06] <KalEl> akaineko, #ubuntu, not #ubuntu+1 :)
[22:06] <Armagguedes> hello
[22:06] <Armagguedes> i want to install XP in a VM at some point; which (k)ubuntu do i install? desktop or alternate?
[22:07] <akaineko> sorry
[22:07] <KalEl> akaineko, you might just have to wait about one more month to be safer :)
[22:08] <Armagguedes> also, is sound working again from gutsy (intel hi-def broke in a gutsy regression)?
[22:10] <GuyFromHell> Anyone feel like helping me figure out why network-manager-vpnc doesn't work (hasn't ever actually) for this laptop. I get this in my syslog: http://rafb.net/p/3h98qD76.html but i can get vpn working fine just running `sudo vpnc' (though i want to automate it)
[22:10] <RAOF> ethana2: So, it does most of homestarrunner graphics, but the sound was messed up, and then something decided to eat all my RAM.
[22:11] <larson9999> RAOF, gnash isn't playing youtube here
[22:11] <RAOF> larson9999: Have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg installed?
[22:13] <larson9999> RAOF, i didn't.  now i do.  still not working
[22:14] <RAOF> larson9999: Well, WorksForMe.  It uses gstreamer, so you might need to install all the various codec packages for it.
[22:15] <_Zandro_> well doubt ill try to install the ATI driver again any time soon, not untill someone comes up with a soution for the official ati drivers. Installed the RadeonHD open source drivers, no 3d but i dont care as long as i can run widescreen without trouble.
[22:15] <KalEl> somehow i don't get the suspend option when i click the red button!
[22:17] <Doore> hi
[22:17] <Doore> how can I set the monitor brightness to a fixed value that survives a reboot?
[22:17] <larson9999> RAOF, no worries.  now that some say it's getting usable maybe it will be soon :)
[22:18] <_Zandro_> Jessica loves ro leave/rejoin
[22:18] <_Zandro_> *to
[22:19] <_Zandro_> been doing that all day :P
[22:19] <Adys> Is there a way to reset all the network options to default?
[22:22] <spiderfire> ~/.nvidia-settings-rc
[22:22] <spiderfire> Doore:
[22:22] <spiderfire> maybe your using another card
[22:22] <_Zandro_> maybe an ati card? :P
[22:22] <finalbeta>  anyone else having troubles with bcm43x? Actually, I got a Dell inspiron 8200, the sound card is no longer recognized/bcm43 no longer can connect.
[22:23] <Doore> an Intel X3100 card
[22:23] <finalbeta> if anyone can help a little, thnx
[22:23] <rpedro> hm update-manager is hanging for me in "Preparing to upgrade: checking package manager", the first step
[22:23] <_Zandro_> hmm didnt you ask earlier Doore?
[22:23] <_Zandro_> or was that someone else?
[22:24] <Doore> _Zandro_, nope, I asked in #Ubuntu but I'm running Hardi Heron Beta
[22:25] <Doore> so I came to +1
[22:25] <Picklesworth> Hello!
[22:25] <Picklesworth> Err, is it just me, or is the new Resources tab in System Monitor a resource hog itself?
[22:25] <finalbeta> Picklesworth: indeed :P
[22:25] <rpedro> is the update manager supposed to take a long time in the first step to distupgrade, like, more than 5 min?
[22:26] <HardyOne> lol kinda ironic dont you think
[22:26] <Picklesworth> I didn't notice that when I was running it in Virtualbox. Possibly related to number of CPUs?
[22:26] <iapitus> is there a known reason i somehow missed that upgrading to hardy (kubuntu) would cause my iwl4965 to stop functioning?
[22:26] <Picklesworth> Or maybe I just plain didn't notice until now :P
[22:26] <Picklesworth> ah well, not a bad bug. It's funny, at least!
[22:27] <finalbeta> I've been using the new version for two hours, found so many problems with it. But I need some help with the big ones, getting my sound/network card to work on my dell.
[22:27] <GuyFromHell> iapitus, you have any clues as to what might be causing it? Mine seems to be working fine.
[22:27] <iapitus> not offhand - haven't spent more than ... 20? 30 min on it - figured i'd hunt documentation and check with the guys testing (y'all) before i spent more time on it
[22:28] <_Zandro_> the system monitor is actually to well made (to nice)
[22:28] <jin> hi, is there any utility to remember windows size?
[22:29] <HardyOne> the system log monitor is really sweet
[22:29] <iapitus> it might just be a networkmanager problem, i suppose
[22:33] <KalEl> suspend to ram option does not show up anymore after i installed hardy... not sure if this is a bug?
[22:33] <Jordan_U> KalEl, Did you install using Wubi?
[22:34] <KalEl> no, i upgraded with apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:34] <KalEl> ...i have a separate partition for ubuntu
[22:35] <Jordan_U> KalEl, Next time you should use update-manager or do-release-upgrade :)
[22:35] <KalEl> wait sorry... i used update-manager -d :)
[22:35] <Jordan_U> :)
[22:36] <KalEl> not sure how ubuntu decides whether to show the suspend command... is there any reference that i could look into so that i can try to trace the root?
[22:37] <_Zandro_> well if you got a non laptop, the bios settings have a good deal of impact on the suspend settings
[22:38] <RoAkSoAxX> hello does anyone know if there are bugs related to ipw22200??
[22:38] <KalEl> hmm good idea although this one is not new and it used to work before, let me check it...
[22:38] <billisnice> Is Hardy stable enough to use yet?
[22:38] <Linuturk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205588 << anyone want to help me with a sound regression in a Gutsy to Hardy beta upgrade?
[22:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205588 in ubuntu "VT82C686 Audio Broken: Gutsy to Hardy Beta upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[22:39] <naught101> billisnice: if you don't mind the odd udev issue
[22:39] <billisnice> i tried 7.04 in beta up to the final release and it stinked
[22:39] <billisnice> lol
[22:40] <KalEl> billisnice, several people are using it without any major problems, but the risk is always there as it is not the release version. install it at your own risk... so short answer: no :)
[22:40] <ethana2> yarrrrrr
[22:40] <ethana2> firefox3 is killing itself repeatedly!
[22:40] <RoAkSoAxX> hello does anyone know if there are bugs related to ipw22200 or to network manager???
[22:40] <ethana2> ..i'm running it from the terminal this time
[22:40] <naught101> RoAkSoAxX: look for "ipw2200" on launchpad...
[22:41] <RoAkSoAxX> naught101: i have and no results
[22:41] <naught101> that's because you're spelling it with three 2s
[22:41] <RoAkSoAxX> the thing is i just installed hardy alpha6 and i can't connect to any wireless networks
[22:42] <lemonade> RoAkSoAxX: network manager is broken, install older one
[22:42] <_Zandro_> KalEl: to be sure that all the APM modes are available to ubuntu, turn on ACPI APIC , ACPI 2.0 support and set suspend mode to AUTO or S3
[22:42] <billisnice> i have trouble with 7.04 and wireless
[22:42] <RoAkSoAxX> lemonade: ok thanks
[22:42] <lemonade> or newer.. i guess it's already fixed
[22:42] <KalEl> _Zandro_, aye, let me check
[22:43] <RoAkSoAxX> lemonade: new version is 0.6.6-0ubuntu2
[22:43] <lemonade> RoAkSoAxX: yea, i had that one broken, ubuntu1 works well
[22:44] <RoAkSoAxX> lemonade: ok thanks them :)
[22:45] <Stormx2> Firefox is still locking my sound card
[22:45] <Stormx2> How can I make it output to dmix?
[22:45] <xtknight> it's a known bug that mplayer and vlc will not work by default, until you use the pulse audio driver?
[22:47] <xtknight> anyone know why they use pulseaudio now as well?
[22:47] <_Zandro_> Xtknight: yes vlc/others has issues with hardy
[22:47] <Infecto>     hmm i have problem i build my own kernel and i dont have sound support and and wiifi  Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG
[22:47] <Itaku> wow
[22:47] <Itaku> hardy
[22:47] <Infecto> sound is 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[22:47] <Itaku> <3
[22:48] <Infecto> how to build by module asistan wifi drivers have some body idea?
[22:49] <_Zandro_> hopefully F-spot will work properly in the final release
[22:50] <_Zandro_> it has serious issues with some cameras
[22:50] <_Zandro_> Especially newer fujifilm cams
[22:50] <ToHellWithGA> how can i ssh -X with hardy?
[22:50] <ToHellWithGA> *on the ssh server/x client side
[22:51] <KalEl> when i do ". /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force" it suspends... seems something's wrong with the gnome-power-manager
[22:51] <ToHellWithGA> i'm trying to run a bleeding edge machine near my router, wired, and would like to record a cd on it with k3b
[22:51] <Bruno_> hello. When i boot from the install cd it gives me the menu and then it says "cant find boot cd"
[22:51] <_Zandro_> KalEL what machine do you have?
[22:52] <KalEl> amd 64, but i'm running a 32 bit version of ubuntu
[22:52] <ToHellWithGA> unlike when i was running feisty and gutsy, i can't get ssh -X to find the local X server to forward clients
[22:52] <_Zandro_> and the MB?
[22:53] <Itaku> where can i give suggestions for hardy?
[22:53] <ToHellWithGA> Itaku: it might could be too late
[22:53] <ToHellWithGA> it's beta time about
[22:53] <ToHellWithGA> suggestions seem more like an alpha time thing
[22:53] <_Zandro_> KalEL: what motherboard do you have?
[22:53] <KalEl> kernel 2.6.24-12-generic, motherboard Gigabyte GA-M61SME-S2
[22:53] <Itaku> cuz i kinda found a bug in firefox
[22:54] <prometheus2> anyone know where I can get a bcm43xx driver so I can get support for this wireless card?
[22:55] <KalEl> the suspend option is not shown, ergo somehow the big red button knows that gnome-power-manager does not want to suspend
[22:57] <Itaku> no name script works yay :D
[22:57] <_Zandro_> KalEl: well the big red button might be confused about bios settings, they have changed the way powersaving works in hardy heron
[22:57] <_Zandro_> to put it your way
[22:58] <KalEl> ok... i'll reboot and check what's up with the BIOS :)
[22:58] <KalEl> thanks
[22:59] <Infecto> is this dirver Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG in restricted modules?
[23:01] <prometheus2> I cannot enable the b43 wireless driver
[23:07] <Yahooadam> Hey guys, i have a few hardy packages installed, but i dont remember exactly which, is there a way to work it out?
[23:08] <KalEl> _Zandro_, you are right, tweaking a BIOS setting solved it - i changed the suspend mode from POS (Power On Supply?) to STR (Suspend To RAM) and it suspends beautifully!
[23:09] <KalEl> :)
[23:09] <_Zandro_> just happy i could help
[23:09] <KalEl> thanks!
[23:09] <KalEl> only when it wakes up the network connection stops working...
[23:10] <prometheus2> no one knows how to configure the bcm43xx driver (it worked out of the box in 7.10)
[23:10] <KalEl> but somehow i feel that should be easier to fix... let me look around :)
[23:10] <KalEl> i'm using LAN btw, not wireless
[23:11] <Yahooadam> KalEl - /etc/network/interfaces
[23:11] <Lunks> I used powertop to try to improve my battery performance, but unfortunately now my USBs do not work anymore. What am I missing? How to enable it back?
[23:11] <Yahooadam> you should have auto eth0 and eth0 inet dhcp (or something like that)
[23:11] <Yahooadam> auto eth0
[23:11] <Yahooadam> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:12] <Yahooadam> i suspect your missing auto eth0 KalEl
[23:13] <KalEl> i have auto eth0, but i don't exactly have eth0 inet dhcp...
[23:13] <KalEl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6026/
[23:13] <Yahooadam> that should be ok i think
[23:13] <Yahooadam> unless auto eth0 needs to come before iface eth0
[23:14] <KalEl> ok thanks
[23:14] <symptom> has openoffice been brought over to hardy yet?
[23:15] <KalEl> symptom, openoffice is a part of hardy repository, if that's what you mean?
[23:16] <symptom> ok because i get a 2.3 splash screen and a 2.4 about dialog box
[23:16] <hspaans> symptom: there is a bugid for that
[23:17] <symptom> thanks, is it slated to be fixed by the release date?
[23:17] <Yahooadam> I have hardy packages in feisty (for xmltv) and i want to upgrade to gutsy (for mythtv) - if i do this without getting rid of the hardy packages, is it gonna work?
[23:18] <_Zandro_> symptom yes it will be fixed
[23:18] <sque> If I add a location at new locations place under calendar
[23:18] <symptom> Thanks you guys rock
[23:18] <sque> my gnome session crashes and restarts
[23:18] <sque> gnome panels dissapear and reload
[23:19] <sque> basically it happens with one location only couldn't find another one
[23:19] <sque> can someone confirm this please? Try to add a location named "agrinio" click find agrinio and on OK it booms
[23:20] <_Zandro_> *yawn* nighty guys
[23:20] <KalEl> gnite
[23:20] <willies> anyone have any luck running BIND9 chrooted on Hardy?
[23:20] <KalEl> how can i restart the eth0 device?
[23:20] <KalEl> manually?
[23:20] <hspaans> willies: what is your problem?
[23:21] <Yahooadam> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[23:21] <willies> none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied
[23:21] <KalEl> thanks, let me try suspending once more
[23:21] <willies> seeing this as well
[23:21] <willies>  snubtsrv02 kernel: [ 2944.285050] audit(1206312242.238:12): operation="inode_permission" request_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" name="/var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf" pid=4785 profile="/usr/sbin/named" namespace="default"
[23:23] <willies> tossing 7.10 back on just to make sure nothing weird up..
[23:23] <hspaans> willies: just run bind9 not chrooted it changes euid after it has bound to port 53 or fix apparmor
[23:25] <willies> hmm.. running it open?
[23:26] <hspaans> willies: running it open?
[23:26] <willies> will have to excuse me.. the last time I fooled with setting up server was 6.06 LTS :)
[23:27] <KalEl> Yahooadam, "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" was unable to bring back the eth0 device after i resumed
[23:28] <willies> just trying to make sure that I don't put a server up that becomes fodder for someone with too much time on their hands.. :)
[23:28] <larson9999> well, the doc finished printing after my wife printed something from her computer.
[23:29] <hspaans> willies: just run bind9 non chrooted, there's no extra benefit from putting it in a chroot
[23:29] <willies> will give that a shot..
[23:30] <willies> fix apparmor -- is this something new that I have missed? (pardon is this is really stupid question.. I don't get "out" much these days with other things in life keeping me quiet busy.. )
[23:30] <Yahooadam> KalEl - any error?
[23:30] <KalEl> no error
[23:31] <KalEl> just that ping did not work
[23:31] <hspaans> willies: apparmor is new yes from novell, you can also use selinux instead
[23:31] <Yahooadam> KalEl - what does ifconfig say?
[23:32] <KalEl> moment
[23:32] <hspaans> willies: it tries to mimic solaris rbac but fails for more then one reason
[23:32] <KalEl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6027/
[23:33] <Yahooadam> KalEl - probably some driver issue, but im lost at this point :p
[23:34] <odla> hi, i was curious if anyone else was suffering from fuzzy fonts in gnome-terminal?  and if you were if you were able to fix them?
[23:34] <KalEl> ok thanks... another thing, when i go to System->Administration->Network Tools, if i select eth0 and click Configure it shows a box saying "The interface does not exist"
[23:35] <willies> thanks for the info!
[23:35] <KalEl> this is before suspend, when it is working fine
[23:39] <Itaku> is there an iso for hardy yet?
[23:40] <Infecto> infecto@sraptok:~$ acpi -V
[23:40] <Infecto>      Battery 1: charging, 93%, rate information unavailable.
[23:40] <Infecto> No support for device type: thermal
[23:40] <Infecto>   AC Adapter 1: on-line
[23:40] <Infecto> hmm, any ide to solve this problem?
[23:40] <protonchris> Itaku: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[23:40] <Infecto> hp pavilon dv9790
[23:41] <Itaku> thanks