| psyke83 | _MMA_, ok, we need to use a subset of the treeview widget, as it's including the top part as that | 00:02 |
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| psyke83 | that will fix the gconf "Name" problem | 00:02 |
| _MMA_ | ok | 00:02 |
| _MMA_ | Using Glade might show you. Looks promising but I'm not sure abut some of the things I'm looking at. | 00:07 |
| psyke83 | I'm not sure how to work this thingy | 00:11 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. Kinda odd at 1st. | 00:12 |
| _MMA_ | Pick a "TopLevel" window 1st. | 00:12 |
| psyke83 | I understand, yes | 00:12 |
| _MMA_ | Then at the bottom, under "Control and Display" there's "treview". | 00:13 |
| _MMA_ | If you drop that into the "toplevel" container you made you can see its options on the right. | 00:14 |
| psyke83 | it's GtkLabel | 00:14 |
| _MMA_ | Cool | 00:15 |
| psyke83 | confirmed, that's it... now I need to know precisely what exceptions to make | 00:16 |
| psyke83 | I don't wanna make a GtkLabel exception, I want to make an exception just for the arrow thingies... we need to know name of those | 00:17 |
| _MMA_ | Oh damn. I got dropped. | 00:43 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I had it fixed, then I accidently lost the changes I made... now I can't remember how I fixed it ;( | 00:50 |
| _MMA_ | Oh damn. :P | 00:50 |
| _MMA_ | If you used gedit to edit, there might be a gtkrc~ in there. | 00:51 |
| psyke83 | too late | 00:52 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I'm going nuts trying to figure this out ;) | 01:13 |
| _MMA_ | Sux. Can't retrace your steps? | 01:14 |
| psyke83 | nope, I lost my changes | 01:16 |
| psyke83 | let me get a break... what do you want to change with the metacity title colours? | 01:16 |
| _MMA_ | All of 'em or just the last GtkLabel one? | 01:16 |
| psyke83 | no, the GtkLabel (GtkExpander) changes | 01:16 |
| psyke83 | I saved a backup before tackling the expander problem | 01:17 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Just grey the unfocused window text out. | 01:17 |
| _MMA_ | Something that shows its unfocused. | 01:17 |
| psyke83 | done | 01:21 |
| _MMA_ | \m/ | 01:21 |
| psyke83 | I'll send the current revision | 01:21 |
| _MMA_ | k | 01:21 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: What do you think about the tooltip? | 01:22 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe Ill just go a little lighter gray. | 01:23 |
| psyke83 | we need to fix the problem with gedit, then we can change the tooltip colours | 01:23 |
| psyke83 | well yes, you can also workaround in that way | 01:23 |
| _MMA_ | Well, gedit shows White text now. | 01:24 |
| psyke83 | I changed the tooltip colour, didn't I? | 01:25 |
| psyke83 | tooltips also have white text | 01:25 |
| _MMA_ | Yep. Was different before. | 01:25 |
| psyke83 | updated: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc | 01:25 |
| _MMA_ | One had white, the other had Black. | 01:26 |
| psyke83 | that has the metacity fix, the scrollbar background fix (now darkens relative to the chosen colour), and maybe I'm forgetting more | 01:26 |
| psyke83 | is the metacity inactive text dark enough? pkill metacity just in case it doesn't update | 01:27 |
| _MMA_ | Perfect | 01:27 |
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| psyke83 | _MMA_, do you think macslow will be able to solve the problem with the arrows? | 01:30 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I went with #999999 for the tooltip background. Looks ok here. | 01:30 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, looks kind of washed out to me | 01:31 |
| _MMA_ | MacSlow is a GTK genius. He'll at least be able to give some real answers. | 01:31 |
| psyke83 | I quite liked the way it was, with the white text it seemed much better | 01:31 |
| _MMA_ | Thing is, its the same color as the rest of the UI. Looked bland. | 01:32 |
| psyke83 | well then, swap the colours :) | 01:33 |
| psyke83 | black text on white | 01:33 |
| psyke83 | or at least background colour text on white | 01:33 |
| psyke83 | oops, doesn't work | 01:34 |
| psyke83 | it's not using tooltip_fg_colour, won't work | 01:35 |
| _MMA_ | Wait, did we loose the treeview arrow fix? | 01:37 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, yes, that's what I lost | 01:37 |
| _MMA_ | Oh hell, I thought it was just the label part. | 01:38 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, hmm, let me explain | 01:38 |
| psyke83 | I can fix the arrows, but it breaks the GtkLabel text above | 01:38 |
| psyke83 | so we need to find the name of the arrows and create an exception for those instead | 01:39 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh... | 01:39 |
| _MMA_ | But you still know where to edit it once we have some answers? | 01:40 |
| psyke83 | you can edit the "murrine-treeview" section and enable "fg[NORMAL] = @bg_color", but it is not the right fix | 01:42 |
| psyke83 | we need to find a way to omit the top part o f the treeview (the GtkLabel parts) | 01:42 |
| psyke83 | *of | 01:42 |
| psyke83 | holy crap! I fixed it ;) | 01:43 |
| _MMA_ | ... | 01:43 |
| _MMA_ | Cool. :P | 01:43 |
| psyke83 | let me send it, but I have a feeling that it's a hacky method | 01:43 |
| _MMA_ | Send the new gtkrc. | 01:43 |
| psyke83 | one sec | 01:43 |
| _MMA_ | k | 01:44 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, redownload: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc | 01:46 |
| psyke83 | check to see if anything else got broken in the process, though | 01:46 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Maybe the inactive metacity window text should be a *little* lighter. Im thinking one should at least be able to read it. | 01:46 |
| _MMA_ | What do you think? | 01:46 |
| _MMA_ | (downloading) | 01:46 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I'll agree to that if you darken the tooltip_bg_color some more :) | 01:47 |
| psyke83 | I would say make it a shade darker than the bg_color | 01:47 |
| psyke83 | *lighter | 01:47 |
| psyke83 | not darker | 01:47 |
| _MMA_ | Naa.... nm. It was because I had it on a different theme. | 01:49 |
| _MMA_ | But wow, gconf looks fixed here. | 01:49 |
| psyke83 | ok, I like the inactive colour for metacity at the moment | 01:49 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie look at the the other box. | 01:49 |
| psyke83 | open a nautilus window and change to list view, with lots of files/directories | 01:49 |
| _MMA_ | k | 01:50 |
| _MMA_ | What am I looking for? | 01:50 |
| psyke83 | the arrows *and* GtkLabel (gconf Name widget) | 01:50 |
| psyke83 | it shows both at the same time, like gconf | 01:51 |
| psyke83 | no problem tho, gconf-editor was enough | 01:52 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. Looks great. :) | 01:52 |
| psyke83 | be careful for regressions, and I recommend we ask macslow to look at the gtkrc now | 01:52 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Along with some days of testing before I push it to bzr. | 01:52 |
| psyke83 | so, we need the gedit/tooltip fix and what else? | 01:53 |
| _MMA_ | Well, that's a matter of taste there. :) I'll totally look at what you come up with though. | 01:54 |
| _MMA_ | I jsut don't want it the same #525252 as the rest of the UI. Too bland. | 01:54 |
| _MMA_ | But I really think as far as bugs I had before, you've really done up a bang up job. | 01:55 |
| psyke83 | it's also a bug; that gedit window shouldn't use the tooltip colour like that | 01:55 |
| _MMA_ | Well, as long as we can set a color that works Im fine. Ill look at anything you want to come up with though. | 01:56 |
| psyke83 | I'm thinking we should try to change notebook tabs a bit... it's very difficult to see the division between two inactive tabs | 01:57 |
| psyke83 | I'll see if the spacing can be tweaked | 01:57 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I see that. | 01:58 |
| _MMA_ | On different screens its easier to see. On my laptop its hard but the desktop LCD I see 'em fine. | 01:58 |
| psyke83 | on my laptop it's hard to see | 01:59 |
| psyke83 | the screen is pretty clear, though | 01:59 |
| _MMA_ | I did notice that the size of the slider handles on -Mod is bigger than before. | 02:00 |
| _MMA_ | (my original theme) | 02:00 |
| _MMA_ | You can see by A/B'ing with TheWidgetFactory. | 02:01 |
| psyke83 | hmm, I thought you changed it | 02:01 |
| _MMA_ | I did look, but it didnt seem apparent. | 02:02 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc | 02:04 |
| psyke83 | they're the same as before, but you have to watch carefully, as spacing has shifted other widgets in twf | 02:05 |
| psyke83 | as for the notebook tabs, I'm not sure how to fix the spacing | 02:06 |
| psyke83 | increasing roundness will help to distinguish them a bit | 02:06 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Oh ouch. That changed the scroolbars as well. | 02:06 |
| psyke83 | ah yes, I didn't watch... one sec and I'll fix | 02:06 |
| _MMA_ | k | 02:06 |
| _MMA_ | Just tell me the line to edit. | 02:08 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc | 02:09 |
| psyke83 | well you need to add two lines to "murrine-scale" | 02:09 |
| _MMA_ | k | 02:09 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Im totally moving you name to the top of the list. | 02:10 |
| psyke83 | haha ;) | 02:11 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 02:11 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what's your name, by the way? It's not Andrew Cimitan, I know that for sure | 02:11 |
| _MMA_ | Cory | 02:11 |
| psyke83 | (Cimi hates my Human-Murrine-Mod theme, by the way :)) | 02:12 |
| _MMA_ | So? He doesnt like all these hacks added into sections. | 02:12 |
| psyke83 | he didn't like the aesthetic quality of the theme, not the hacks :) | 02:13 |
| _MMA_ | My take on it is "Why not use options that are there?". ;) | 02:13 |
| _MMA_ | Oh.... | 02:13 |
| psyke83 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530&page=3 | 02:14 |
| _MMA_ | Well, he comes across as kinda snotty. SOme of it is a language barrier but I think he does think he's "too cool" sometimes. :P | 02:14 |
| psyke83 | no, that' not the meat | 02:14 |
| psyke83 | "From my point of view (and I'm the author of both Murrine and new Clearlooks) I prefer 100 times the actual Ubuntulooks theme, when using that colorscheme. | 02:14 |
| psyke83 | Human-Murrine-Mod is a regression, not an improvement. So why don't leave Ubuntulooks?" | 02:14 |
| psyke83 | he's probably a nice guy, but he's got a... forceful opinion ;) | 02:15 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: You know how much shit I get for this theme and the things I do? :) Everyone has an opinion. You just gotta do what you think is best. ;) | 02:15 |
| psyke83 | I did.. hence the 11 pages of that thread, hehe | 02:16 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 02:16 |
| psyke83 | my theme is less enthusiastic, you know? It was designed as a drop-in replacement for Ubuntulooks/Human, and it has "sane" contrast, etc... UbuntuStudio is awesome, but a pain in the ass to adapt other apps :) | 02:17 |
| _MMA_ | hehe | 02:17 |
| psyke83 | this is a recent screenshot: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Murrine-Mod_v0.16.png | 02:18 |
| psyke83 | Ken may get to keep it on the CD if nobody misses the few KBs missing ;) | 02:18 |
| _MMA_ | But yeah, kwwii likes your theme. I think he needed 1 more change and he wants to put it in. Not default but in the installation. | 02:18 |
| psyke83 | yes | 02:18 |
| _MMA_ | You're using that widget offset setting. Its throwing off that + button. | 02:19 |
| psyke83 | I'm not sure what you mean | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | GtkButton ::child-displacement-x = 1 | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | Change that to 0. | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | for X&Y. | 02:20 |
| psyke83 | ah | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | I just commented them out. | 02:20 |
| psyke83 | to be honest, I can't perceive the difference ;) | 02:22 |
| psyke83 | what did it do, is it just the offset of pixels when it's pressed? | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | leave the setting, then look at it vs. UbuntuStudio. | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | It moved it down an.d to the right by 1px each way | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: You gonna be around tomorrow, err... later today? :) | 02:23 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I think so, yes | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | (gotta be like 3am for you) | 02:23 |
| psyke83 | yep, 2:23am | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 02:23 |
| _MMA_ | Well. Im gonna head off here. Thanx so much wor the work. Ill be around tomorrow if you have more ideas. | 02:24 |
| psyke83 | ok, I'll see you later. Nite! | 02:25 |
| _MMA_ | Night. | 02:26 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, the 1px blue line above the scrollbar in nautilus seems to be a bug in nautilus - I see it with every standard theme/engine | 14:47 |
| _MMA_ | Ouch | 14:47 |
| psyke83 | did you find a way to get rid of the 1px gap between the metacity frame and scrollbar? I think it needs to be edited in the metacity-1.xml file | 14:49 |
| _MMA_ | Probably. Though, with today being Sunday, I won't be tinkering with it much. ;) | 14:50 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 14:50 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'll really be working over the next week to tighten it up. If you're around, it would be cool to work together. I'm home all day. | 14:53 |
| psyke83 | ok | 14:53 |
| _MMA_ | At the end of the week (or before if we work everything out) I'll bush to bzr and into Ubuntu Studio. | 14:54 |
| _MMA_ | s/bush/push | 14:54 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I've fixed the spacing problem, want the changed metacity-1.xml file? | 15:13 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Just tinker for the day and send me what you come up with later/tomorrow. | 15:13 |
| psyke83 | ok | 15:14 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Major issue. When you rename/create a file the text is white and unreadable. :( | 19:03 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what about the original UbuntuStudio theme? | 19:03 |
| _MMA_ | Part of the reason for using the gray text. :( Not great, but readable. | 19:06 |
| psyke83 | I'll take a look in a few mins | 19:07 |
| _MMA_ | np. Take your time. It's Sunday. :P | 19:09 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what do you think if we change the input window background to light grey? | 19:21 |
| psyke83 | I think it doesn't look bad, and it kind of reduces the harsh contrast between black/white for input boxes | 19:22 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: That will most likely cause other issues. Test it out but I dont know if it will work. | 19:22 |
| psyke83 | yes, it causes other issues... maybe I'll just try to fix nautilus | 19:23 |
| psyke83 | I'm afraid we may be dealing with a nautilus hardcoded value, because in "listview", this problem doesn't happen | 19:23 |
| _MMA_ | In the end, I don't think changing the background is the best thing. If we can find another fix that only effects this issue that would rock. | 19:25 |
| psyke83 | yep | 19:26 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, while I'm fixing this, another question. Would you like to make the background of progress bars darker or lighter? It may look nice | 19:29 |
| psyke83 | e.g. make it dark to match scrollbar backgrounds | 19:29 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. We can try that out. | 19:29 |
| psyke83 | let me whip up a mod and see how it looks | 19:29 |
| _MMA_ | cool | 19:30 |
| psyke83 | it's nice, but I think we need the same effect for the sliders | 19:31 |
| _MMA_ | Go for it. I'm all for doing stuff like this as long as it doesn't make bugs. | 19:32 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, take a look: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-SliderMod.png | 19:34 |
| psyke83 | this modification only affect progressbars, and the effect is relative to the background color | 19:35 |
| psyke83 | (progressbars and sliders, I mean) | 19:35 |
| psyke83 | it's more consistent with scrollbars | 19:36 |
| psyke83 | I really wish we could colour the slider part, that would be nice | 19:36 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Yeah. Thats great. Any little thing we can do like that is cool. | 19:37 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, hmm, I have an idea... Perhaps we can use grey text by default, right... but (bear with me), we make a custom definition for all the widgets that we want white as "shade 5.0, (@fg_color)". That means that all the buttons, combo box entries, tabs etc, will be white, but "unknown" widgets will be grey, such as Nautilus's rename | 19:43 |
| psyke83 | I'm just afraid there's millions of other problems we haven't exposed yet | 19:43 |
| psyke83 | but I'll try to find an exception before doing that | 19:44 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. See what you can do. | 19:47 |
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