[00:02] <psyke83> _MMA_, ok, we need to use a subset of the treeview widget, as it's including the top part as that
[00:02] <psyke83> that will fix the gconf "Name" problem
[00:02] <_MMA_> ok
[00:07] <_MMA_> Using Glade might show you. Looks promising but I'm not sure abut some of the things I'm looking at.
[00:11] <psyke83> I'm not sure how to work this thingy
[00:12] <_MMA_> Yeah. Kinda odd at 1st.
[00:12] <_MMA_> Pick a "TopLevel" window 1st.
[00:12] <psyke83> I understand, yes
[00:13] <_MMA_> Then at the bottom, under "Control and Display" there's "treview".
[00:14] <_MMA_> If you drop that into the "toplevel" container you made you can see its options on the right.
[00:14] <psyke83> it's GtkLabel
[00:15] <_MMA_> Cool
[00:16] <psyke83> confirmed, that's it... now I need to know precisely what exceptions to make
[00:17] <psyke83> I don't wanna make a GtkLabel exception, I want to make an exception just for the arrow thingies... we need to know name of those
[00:43] <_MMA_> Oh damn. I got dropped.
[00:50] <psyke83> _MMA_, I had it fixed, then I accidently lost the changes I made... now I can't remember how I fixed it ;(
[00:50] <_MMA_> Oh damn. :P
[00:51] <_MMA_> If you used gedit to edit, there might be a gtkrc~ in there.
[00:52] <psyke83> too late
[01:13] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm going nuts trying to figure this out ;)
[01:14] <_MMA_> Sux. Can't retrace your steps?
[01:16] <psyke83> nope, I lost my changes
[01:16] <psyke83> let me get a break... what do you want to change with the metacity title colours?
[01:16] <_MMA_> All of 'em or just the last GtkLabel one?
[01:16] <psyke83> no, the GtkLabel (GtkExpander) changes
[01:17] <psyke83> I saved a backup before tackling the expander problem
[01:17] <_MMA_> psyke83: Just grey the unfocused window text out.
[01:17] <_MMA_> Something that shows its unfocused.
[01:21] <psyke83> done
[01:21] <_MMA_> \m/
[01:21] <psyke83> I'll send the current revision
[01:21] <_MMA_> k
[01:22] <_MMA_> psyke83: What do you think about the tooltip?
[01:23] <_MMA_> Maybe Ill just go a little lighter gray.
[01:23] <psyke83> we need to fix the problem with gedit, then we can change the tooltip colours
[01:23] <psyke83> well yes, you can also workaround in that way
[01:24] <_MMA_> Well, gedit shows White text now.
[01:25] <psyke83> I changed the tooltip colour, didn't I?
[01:25] <psyke83> tooltips also have white text
[01:25] <_MMA_> Yep. Was different before.
[01:25] <psyke83> updated: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[01:26] <_MMA_> One had white, the other had Black.
[01:26] <psyke83> that has the metacity fix, the scrollbar background fix (now darkens relative to the chosen colour), and maybe I'm forgetting more
[01:27] <psyke83> is the metacity inactive text dark enough? pkill metacity just in case it doesn't update
[01:27] <_MMA_> Perfect
[01:30] <psyke83> _MMA_, do you think macslow will be able to solve the problem with the arrows?
[01:30] <_MMA_> psyke83: I went with #999999 for the tooltip background. Looks ok here.
[01:31] <psyke83> _MMA_, looks kind of washed out to me
[01:31] <_MMA_> MacSlow is a GTK genius. He'll at least be able to give some real answers.
[01:31] <psyke83> I quite liked the way it was, with the white text it seemed much better
[01:32] <_MMA_> Thing is, its the same color as the rest of the UI. Looked bland.
[01:33] <psyke83> well then, swap the colours :)
[01:33] <psyke83> black text on white
[01:33] <psyke83> or at least background colour text on white
[01:34] <psyke83> oops, doesn't work
[01:35] <psyke83> it's not using tooltip_fg_colour, won't work
[01:37] <_MMA_> Wait, did we loose the treeview arrow fix?
[01:37] <psyke83> _MMA_, yes, that's what I lost
[01:38] <_MMA_> Oh hell, I thought it was just the label part.
[01:38] <psyke83> _MMA_, hmm, let me explain
[01:38] <psyke83> I can fix the arrows, but it breaks the GtkLabel text above
[01:39] <psyke83> so we need to find the name of the arrows and create an exception for those instead
[01:39] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[01:40] <_MMA_> But you still know where to edit it once we have some answers?
[01:42] <psyke83> you can edit the "murrine-treeview" section and enable "fg[NORMAL] = @bg_color", but it is not the right fix
[01:42] <psyke83> we need to find a way to omit the top part o f the treeview (the GtkLabel parts)
[01:42] <psyke83> *of
[01:43] <psyke83> holy crap! I fixed it ;)
[01:43] <_MMA_> ...
[01:43] <_MMA_> Cool. :P
[01:43] <psyke83> let me send it, but I have a feeling that it's a hacky method
[01:43] <_MMA_> Send the new gtkrc.
[01:43] <psyke83> one sec
[01:44] <_MMA_> k
[01:46] <psyke83> _MMA_, redownload: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[01:46] <psyke83> check to see if anything else got broken in the process, though
[01:46] <_MMA_> psyke83: Maybe the inactive metacity window text should be a *little* lighter. Im thinking one should at least be able to read it.
[01:46] <_MMA_> What do you think?
[01:46] <_MMA_> (downloading)
[01:47] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'll agree to that if you darken the tooltip_bg_color some more :)
[01:47] <psyke83> I would say make it a shade darker than the bg_color
[01:47] <psyke83> *lighter
[01:47] <psyke83> not darker
[01:49] <_MMA_> Naa.... nm. It was because I had it on a different theme.
[01:49] <_MMA_> But wow, gconf looks fixed here.
[01:49] <psyke83> ok, I like the inactive colour for metacity at the moment
[01:49] <_MMA_> Lemmie look at the the other box.
[01:49] <psyke83> open a nautilus window and change to list view, with lots of files/directories
[01:50] <_MMA_> k
[01:50] <_MMA_> What am I looking for?
[01:50] <psyke83> the arrows *and* GtkLabel (gconf Name widget)
[01:51] <psyke83> it shows both at the same time, like gconf
[01:52] <psyke83> no problem tho, gconf-editor was enough
[01:52] <_MMA_> Yeah. Looks great. :)
[01:52] <psyke83> be careful for regressions, and I recommend we ask macslow to look at the gtkrc now
[01:52] <_MMA_> Sure. Along with some days of testing before I push it to bzr.
[01:53] <psyke83> so, we need the gedit/tooltip fix and what else?
[01:54] <_MMA_> Well, that's a matter of taste there. :) I'll totally look at what you come up with though.
[01:54] <_MMA_> I jsut don't want it the same #525252 as the rest of the UI. Too bland.
[01:55] <_MMA_> But I really think as far as bugs I had before, you've really done up a bang up job.
[01:55] <psyke83> it's also a bug; that gedit window shouldn't use the tooltip colour like that
[01:56] <_MMA_> Well, as long as we can set a color that works Im fine. Ill look at anything you want to come up with though.
[01:57] <psyke83> I'm thinking we should try to change notebook tabs a bit... it's very difficult to see the division between two inactive tabs
[01:57] <psyke83> I'll see if the spacing can be tweaked
[01:58] <_MMA_> Yeah. I see that.
[01:58] <_MMA_> On different screens its easier to see. On my laptop its hard but the desktop LCD I see 'em fine.
[01:59] <psyke83> on my laptop it's hard to see
[01:59] <psyke83> the screen is pretty clear, though
[02:00] <_MMA_> I did notice that the size of the slider handles on -Mod is bigger than before.
[02:00] <_MMA_> (my original theme)
[02:01] <_MMA_> You can see by A/B'ing with TheWidgetFactory.
[02:01] <psyke83> hmm, I thought you changed it
[02:02] <_MMA_> I did look, but it didnt seem apparent.
[02:04] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[02:05] <psyke83> they're the same as before, but you have to watch carefully, as spacing has shifted other widgets in twf
[02:06] <psyke83> as for the notebook tabs, I'm not sure how to fix the spacing
[02:06] <psyke83> increasing roundness will help to distinguish them a bit
[02:06] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh ouch. That changed the scroolbars as well.
[02:06] <psyke83> ah yes, I didn't watch... one sec and I'll fix
[02:06] <_MMA_> k
[02:08] <_MMA_> Just tell me the line to edit.
[02:09] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[02:09] <psyke83> well you need to add two lines to "murrine-scale"
[02:09] <_MMA_> k
[02:10] <_MMA_> psyke83: Im totally moving you name to the top of the list.
[02:11] <psyke83> haha ;)
[02:11] <_MMA_> :P
[02:11] <psyke83> _MMA_, what's your name, by the way? It's not Andrew Cimitan, I know that for sure
[02:11] <_MMA_> Cory
[02:12] <psyke83> (Cimi hates my Human-Murrine-Mod theme, by the way :))
[02:12] <_MMA_> So? He doesnt like all these hacks added into sections.
[02:13] <psyke83> he didn't like the aesthetic quality of the theme, not the hacks :)
[02:13] <_MMA_> My take on it is "Why not use options that are there?". ;)
[02:13] <_MMA_> Oh....
[02:14] <psyke83> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530&page=3
[02:14] <_MMA_> Well, he comes across as kinda snotty. SOme of it is a language barrier but I think he does think he's "too cool" sometimes. :P
[02:14] <psyke83> no, that' not the meat
[02:14] <psyke83> "From my point of view (and I'm the author of both Murrine and new Clearlooks) I prefer 100 times the actual Ubuntulooks theme, when using that colorscheme.
[02:14] <psyke83> Human-Murrine-Mod is a regression, not an improvement. So why don't leave Ubuntulooks?"
[02:15] <psyke83> he's probably a nice guy, but he's got a... forceful opinion ;)
[02:15] <_MMA_> psyke83: You know how much shit I get for this theme and the things I do? :) Everyone has an opinion. You just gotta do what you think is best. ;)
[02:16] <psyke83> I did.. hence the 11 pages of that thread, hehe
[02:16] <_MMA_> :)
[02:17] <psyke83> my theme is less enthusiastic, you know? It was designed as a drop-in replacement for Ubuntulooks/Human, and it has "sane" contrast, etc... UbuntuStudio is awesome, but a pain in the ass to adapt other apps :)
[02:17] <_MMA_> hehe
[02:18] <psyke83> this is a recent screenshot: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Murrine-Mod_v0.16.png
[02:18] <psyke83> Ken may get to keep it on the CD if nobody misses the few KBs missing ;)
[02:18] <_MMA_> But yeah, kwwii likes your theme. I think he needed 1 more change and he wants to put it in. Not default but in the installation.
[02:18] <psyke83> yes
[02:19] <_MMA_> You're using that widget offset setting. Its throwing off that + button.
[02:20] <psyke83> I'm not sure what you mean
[02:20] <_MMA_> GtkButton      ::child-displacement-x = 1
[02:20] <_MMA_> Change that to 0.
[02:20] <_MMA_> for X&Y.
[02:20] <psyke83> ah
[02:20] <_MMA_> I just commented them out.
[02:22] <psyke83> to be honest, I can't perceive the difference ;)
[02:22] <psyke83> what did it do, is it just the offset of pixels when it's pressed?
[02:22] <_MMA_> leave the setting, then look at it vs. UbuntuStudio.
[02:23] <_MMA_> It moved it down an.d to the right by 1px each way
[02:23] <_MMA_> psyke83: You gonna be around tomorrow, err... later today? :)
[02:23] <psyke83> _MMA_, I think so, yes
[02:23] <_MMA_> (gotta be like 3am for you)
[02:23] <psyke83> yep, 2:23am
[02:23] <_MMA_> :)
[02:24] <_MMA_> Well. Im gonna head off here. Thanx so much wor the work. Ill be around tomorrow if you have more ideas.
[02:25] <psyke83> ok, I'll see you later. Nite!
[02:26] <_MMA_> Night.
[14:47] <psyke83> _MMA_, the 1px blue line above the scrollbar in nautilus seems to be a bug in nautilus -  I see it with every standard theme/engine
[14:47] <_MMA_> Ouch
[14:49] <psyke83> did you find a way to get rid of the 1px gap between the metacity frame and scrollbar? I think it needs to be edited in the metacity-1.xml file
[14:50] <_MMA_> Probably. Though, with today being Sunday, I won't be tinkering with it much. ;)
[14:50] <psyke83> ;)
[14:53] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'll really be working over the next week to tighten it up. If you're around, it would be cool to work together. I'm home all day.
[14:53] <psyke83> ok
[14:54] <_MMA_> At the end of the week (or before if we work everything out) I'll bush to bzr and into Ubuntu Studio.
[14:54] <_MMA_> s/bush/push
[15:13] <psyke83> _MMA_, I've fixed the spacing problem, want the changed metacity-1.xml file?
[15:13] <_MMA_> psyke83: Just tinker for the day and send me what you come up with later/tomorrow.
[15:14] <psyke83> ok
[19:03] <_MMA_> psyke83: Major issue. When you rename/create a file the text is white and unreadable. :(
[19:03] <psyke83> _MMA_, what about the original UbuntuStudio theme?
[19:06] <_MMA_> Part of the reason for using the gray text. :( Not great, but readable.
[19:07] <psyke83> I'll take a look in a few mins
[19:09] <_MMA_> np. Take your time. It's Sunday. :P
[19:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, what do you think if we change the input window background to light grey?
[19:22] <psyke83> I think it doesn't look bad, and it kind of reduces the harsh contrast between black/white for input boxes
[19:22] <_MMA_> psyke83: That will most likely cause other issues. Test it out but I dont know if it will work.
[19:23] <psyke83> yes, it causes other issues... maybe I'll just try to fix nautilus
[19:23] <psyke83> I'm afraid we may be dealing with a nautilus hardcoded value, because in "listview", this problem doesn't happen
[19:25] <_MMA_> In the end, I don't think changing the background is the best thing. If we can find another fix that only effects this issue that would rock.
[19:26] <psyke83> yep
[19:29] <psyke83> _MMA_, while I'm fixing this, another question. Would you like to make the background of progress bars darker or lighter? It may look nice
[19:29] <psyke83> e.g. make it dark to match scrollbar backgrounds
[19:29] <_MMA_> Sure. We can try that out.
[19:29] <psyke83> let me whip up a mod and see how it looks
[19:30] <_MMA_> cool
[19:31] <psyke83> it's nice, but I think we need the same effect for the sliders
[19:32] <_MMA_> Go for it. I'm all for doing stuff like this as long as it doesn't make bugs.
[19:34] <psyke83> _MMA_, take a look: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/UbuntuStudio-SliderMod.png
[19:35] <psyke83> this modification only affect progressbars, and the effect is relative to the background color
[19:35] <psyke83> (progressbars and sliders, I mean)
[19:36] <psyke83> it's more consistent with scrollbars
[19:36] <psyke83> I really wish we could colour the slider part, that would be nice
[19:37] <_MMA_> psyke83: Yeah. Thats great. Any little thing we can do like that is cool.
[19:43] <psyke83> _MMA_, hmm, I have an idea... Perhaps we can use grey text by default, right... but (bear with me), we make a custom definition for all the widgets that we want white as "shade 5.0, (@fg_color)". That means that all the buttons, combo box entries, tabs etc, will be white, but "unknown" widgets will be grey, such as Nautilus's rename
[19:43] <psyke83> I'm just afraid there's millions of other problems we haven't exposed yet
[19:44] <psyke83> but I'll try to find an exception before doing that
[19:47] <_MMA_> Sure. See what you can do.