[00:14] Going from a standard Feisty install, now to Gutsy, is it subsequently assumed that I should also install the mythbuntu-desktop metapackage to ease upgrades going forward? [00:58] hello all [00:59] hello [01:00] I NEED HELP!!!!!!! [01:12] can anyone help me? [01:13] !ask | adin [01:13] adin: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [01:15] im new to mythbuntu and im not getting sound with mythtv dvd playback, can anyone help me? [01:20] Adin: do you get sound from other stuff in mythtv? like mythvideos or watchTV [01:20] yes [01:20] Adin: what kind of soundout, spdif etc [01:21] onboard stereo [01:23] hmm do you get ac3 sound from other sources? like hdtv or divx movie with ac3 sound? [01:23] is it mono sound on that dvd? is it broken for lots of dvds you own or just for a few? [01:25] laga: lots of movies, i have installed libdvdcss2 --- toorima: i dont have a surround setup (2.1) but i can stream music [01:47] hello i anybody had trouble with mythbuntu setup detecting their cd rom? [01:48] anybody? [01:51] hmm is anyone here? [01:51] !ask [01:51] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [01:52] sorry [01:53] i had trouble installing mythbuntu, it got to the stage where it was trying to detect my cd-rom and said that there was none present. However it go to that stage using a Mythbuntu cd-rom! [01:59] what is the easiest way to stream video's from my library over the web? === porthmeus is now known as porthmeus_ === porthmeus_ is now known as porthmeus [02:12] Logitech has a pretty exiting new remote: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/3898&cl=us,en [02:13] I was wondering if there is support for this and/or a working Lircd.conf that anyone knows about. [02:18] Hello, I've just installed Mythbuntu on an extra computer, and I've got a strange and annoying problem. Am I in the right place? === MythbuntuGuest30 is now known as josh === porthmeus_ is now known as porthmeus === josh is now known as jkl [02:25] Hello, does anyone know how to fix the problem where xfce4-terminal crashes X in a fresh Mythbuntu 7.10 install? [02:26] *Remote in question is the "LOGITECH HARMONY ONE" - anyone have an idea if it is supported by Mythbuntu? [03:15] did anyone answer my previous question? [04:06] ah man I missed majoridiot [07:40] morning all. I'm looking for a stable mythbuntu release, via a popular torrent. can some1 point me in the right direction? [07:41] mutatis: the torrents for 7.10 no longer work IIRC, use the direct download [07:42] the torrents for 8.04 beta should be pretty speedy now though, if you want to go that route [07:43] thanks rhpot [07:50] down in 8 hours!:S [07:53] you are right that the direct download is a better option! down in 18mins. :D === weiser_ is now known as weiser [10:28] QSettings: error creating /home/mythtv/.qt [11:23] I've tried to install a Hardy mythtv backend on a Via Epia system but i can't configure mythtv-setup - it crashes with an "illegal instruction (core dumped)" The system worked fine with gutsy and the .20 mythtv. Have the new packages been optimized to 686? [11:24] works fine on a amd64 [11:24] not sure if that answers your question [11:24] only to say, I'm pretty sure it is [11:25] I can also run it on a vmware install, unfortunately the via C3 processors don't support all of the 686 instructions [11:25] oh [11:26] agm: they've been optimized for i686 with mmx. [11:29] agm: what instruction are you talking about? [11:29] I don't know specifically, I'll upload the crash report to launchpad a little later [11:30] I know that it was one of the reasons for keeping the kernel around i386 [11:31] at least earlier c3 cpus didn't have CMOV which was not mandatory for i686.. [11:31] yeah - I just found it [11:32] how old is that CPU? [11:32] looks like the nehemiah cores have CMOV [11:33] pre-nehemiah - its an ezra [11:33] via cpu? PURGE IT WITH FLAME [11:33] on the early m-10000, m-5000 [11:33] weak processor, but uses very little electricity [11:33] intel cpus are significantly better on power-per-watt, and via know it [11:35] directhex: can you recommend an intel system that uses 50watt at idle [11:36] my intel laptop uses 15W when idle ;) [11:36] idle? anything that takes a mobile cpu. or even the D201GLY2A [11:36] trivially [11:36] 50W is a *lot* [11:37] but 50W.. should be doable with efficient chipsets and PSUs [11:37] directhex: i dont think the D201GLY2A will do 3d accel in linux, though [11:37] look at it this way: not all MHz are equal (and via MHz are largely worthless). 7W gets you a 1ghz c7; 8W gets you a 1.06ghz core 2 duo [11:38] and 2.5W gets you a 1.8GHz dual-core Atom [11:38] a core2 mhz is worth about 5-6x a via one. per core. [11:39] yeah.. and how is that gonna make mythtv run on his c3? :> [11:39] laga: i believe it is the cmov instruction [11:39] yeah, me too. [11:39] highly likely [11:39] i dont think we're gonna remove that.. unless the performance hit is neglible [11:39] They seem to debate this frequently (i386 packages) on ubuntu-devel [11:40] go compile whatever that "optimized" gentoo for epia is called [11:40] neglibile* [11:40] negligible. [11:41] agm: i'd suggest you download the source packages, modify them to remove the cmov stuff and then recompile.. a PPA might be nixe for this [11:41] How has the performance improved in the other builds? I had no problem with the mythbackend on gutsy - and this is with a machine with 256 ram :-) [11:41] some guy actually has a EPIA repo [11:41] * directhex fails to see the point of such a thing [11:41] are all of the myth package optimized? [11:42] i typed "suck" instead of "such" by accident, my subconcious is clued up [11:42] agm: what other packages do we have? ;) [11:43] There could be some bug reports if there are a lot of epia front ends. [11:43] agm: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301 <- somewhere in the forums, someone has a PPA for epia specific builds.. maybe you should talk to him [11:43] Will do, thanks for the help [11:44] * directhex wonders which magical epias are being talked about which are capable of displaying video [11:44] who displays video on a backend? [11:44] agm: yes.. but unless we see some benchamrks (or measure things ourselves) that prove that removing the cmov instruction won't impact performance (negatively), we won't remove it :) [11:44] benchmarks* [11:44] we already got a lot of people complaining that 0.21 is slower :/ [11:44] directhex: xvmc [11:45] laga, yay, xvmc always makes things better. assuming it's supported by the epia in question [11:46] lots of people are using epia as their frontends [11:47] more fool them, IME [11:47] heh [12:44] laga: I'm new to buidling debian packages. Do i need to grab the source for each of the myth debs, change the 686 option in debian/rules and then rebuild? [12:45] agm: you just apt-get source mythtv [12:45] then you have the source for all mythtv packages [12:46] I've got a folder with mythtv-0.21 [12:46] agm: maybe there's also a --disable-cmov option, see ./configure --help [12:46] agm: yeah [12:46] building that builds all of the necessary packages? [12:46] agm: you can either build it on your system, upload it to a PPA or use pbuilder.. [12:46] agm: yes.. but not mythplugins, you will have to rebuild them against your new libmyth* [12:47] agm: you probably want to add a new changelog entry before rebuilding [12:47] cool, thanks for the help [12:47] i use "dch -v" from the devscripts [12:47] can mythbuntu handle blu-ray? [12:48] no [12:49] agm: use 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' to get all the build dependencies for mythtv.. if you choose to build it locally [12:49] thankz [12:51] yotux: it's possible to rip blu ray disks to your hard disks and play them from there, but that's cumbersome and basically circumventing copy protection which is illegal in a lot of countries [12:51] I understand [12:51] most of what we do in linux to watch dvd is in volation of DMCA [12:52] live in the states don't know where your from [12:58] Hi I can't seem to get VNC working, when connecting I get the error that no password has been set even though I have set a password [13:35] Afternoon all. Is it ok to ask for help in this channel? [13:36] Greetings all. I just ran an update on my mythtv server this morning. And now myth is not very happy. It does not start right, just into X with the window manager. And most every tool I try to use breaks with an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)". any pointers help would be appreciated. is this a CPU incompatiability ? server uses a Via C3 Ezra chip. [13:37] *sees* [13:39] Should USB drives auto-mount in Mythbuntu 7.10? [13:39] mutatis: I think so [13:41] mutatis: what seems to be the issue? [13:41] well.. I'm new to Linux... so everything is an issue. :) [13:41] My USB drive doesn't appear [13:42] sp3ct: are you running gutsy or hardy [13:42] and I can't get into root, using 'su root' [13:42] there is no root account in ubuntu [13:42] I originally installed from the mythbuntu 7.10, so guessing gutsy [13:42] is there a default password I missed in the installation? [13:42] yotux: really? aha. [13:43] if you really need root sudo su [13:43] so... I'm already root? [13:43] no you are a administrator with sudo rights [13:43] I would use this command sudo lsusb [13:43] sp3ct: if you updated to .21 they are build with instructions not supported by the ezra [13:44] sp3ct: i got bit by the same thing [13:44] lsusb -- that should list all usb devices connected [13:45] agm: ugh... any easy way to downgrade back ? and I guess from this point on, I can't apply myth updates.. any way to set that in the apt-get config somewhere ? [13:45] Or I just need to upgrade my board...*sigh* [13:47] sp3ct: can you get into synaptic? [13:48] yes [13:49] what repositories do you have enabled? [13:50] yotux: thanks, it's listed under lsusb [13:51] agm, you want me to paste all of them ? [13:51] mutatis: most of the time my flash drive mount its self @ /media/disk [13:51] would of been whatever was per installation + rep that provides restricted/proprietary packages [13:52] yotux: thanks. and how do i add the files to the video library? [13:52] it says no files, presumably it's just looking on main hdd atm [13:52] mutatis: you have video on flash? [13:53] on portable usb harddrive actually [13:53] can i set up a symlink or something? [13:53] mutatis: let me do a little digging [13:55] sp3ct: check repositories and see if you have gutsy-backports enabled [13:55] agm: I do [13:56] 2 of them [13:57] enabling these brings newer updates than in standard Gutsy [13:57] disable these repositories and reload [13:58] reload (refresh) the list in synaptic, don't reboot :-) [13:59] agm: Done [14:00] mutatis: from doing a little digging I think that you want a plugin called mythvideo [14:00] I have not modified my video library yet [14:01] ok. thanks yotux [14:01] will do a little downloading and untarring and let you know how it goes. I'm new to Ubuntu though so it might take a while [14:01] :) [14:02] i'll install it and play around a little bit with it [14:02] sp3ct: do you have a large database of shows or can you lose it and start over? [14:02] I would use apt as much as you can [14:02] apt? [14:02] wp:apt [14:02] apt-get install [package name] [14:02] ah. ok. i'm with you [14:03] agm: Well I was just start using mythtv.. and have about 66 G of recorded shows... So guess I could start fresh... not overly desireable tho [14:05] what recording cards do people rate? I'm going to buy (on payday) and I'd like something well supported and reliable with minimum hassles for a newbie. *asking for moon while he's at it* [14:05] via C3 ezra, wasn't the best of cpus... but i had it laying around... [14:06] sp3ct: you could try to dump the database via phpmyadmin first before reverting the version [14:06] but I am thinking about doing vlc streaming to a mediaMVP, and will prolly need a better cpu [14:06] definitely [14:06] if you're transcoding [14:07] yeah.. so maybe I just start fresh with a new board... *sigh* but really didn't want to spend the $ [14:08] mutatis: are you talking about a capture card? [14:08] if you just want to get up running again, you can uninstall all the mythtv via synaptic and then reinstall (only the 20.2) will be available [14:09] if your database hasn't been modified, it might work. Otherwise drop the database and reconfigure. [14:10] I don't use mythbuntu-control-centre, so I don't know much about that [14:12] yotux: yes, for capture [14:13] Lookjng at SD or HD [14:14] here a link for you http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card [14:15] I bought a Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE has no remote but FM radio instead [14:15] mutatis: that plugin that I told you about will follow sys links also [14:16] hi all - can I get some advice on a prob with my dvb-t card? [14:19] agm: Thank you for your help, and your advice. [14:19] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6014/ [14:20] sp3ct: hope it works out for you [14:21] prolly will just wait until I have a board to upgrade too... now the quest for energy efficient, can ramp up for transcoding, and is quiet... [14:24] here goes: I have 2 twinhan 3020 cards (bttv driver) - these are detected correctly but no matter what i try i can't pick up any signal from either [14:25] does anyone know how to trouble shoot this? [14:30] I had a problem like yours but I found out I was using the wrong input device [14:31] myth correctly detects it - and so do the dvb-utils like 'scan' but no joy.... [14:44] lUrkUr0: can you tune with the scan utility? [14:48] Hi, I am havig some issues getting vncserver to work, it states that it cannot run on screen 0 because a server is already running there, however when trying to kill vncserver on screen 0 it says that it has no record of vncserver running on screen 0 [14:48] anyone have any ideas? [14:55] Is any one of the 61 people here actually awake[? [14:58] Ziroday: no [15:01] laga: oh in that case :) [15:22] wild_oscar: so, what's the problem? [15:22] ;) [15:22] wild_oscar: the mythtv devs dont like it if their channel is cluttered up, so it's better to talk here [15:23] :) [15:23] I am trying to use tv_grab_pt of the xmltv [15:24] the current version in the ubuntu repositories (0.5.49) isn't working, so I got the latest cvs one [15:24] which gave me this error [15:24] Can't locate Unicode/UTF8simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/tv_grab_pt line 88. [15:24] BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/tv_grab_pt line 88. [15:25] I tried to look up for this error, and it had probably been fixed in the ubuntu version: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xmltv/xmltv_0.5.49-1ubuntu1/changelog [15:25] wild_oscar: did you run apt-get build-dep xmltv? [15:25] wild_oscar: if it was fixed in the debian/ubuntu packages, you should try to build the version from hardy on your box instead [15:26] where is that located? [15:27] I used the one from cvs http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/ because it is 2 weeks old [15:27] and latest cvs comment is " Site new date formatting.", which was probably the error I was getting previously [15:28] ah. [15:28] right. [15:28] wild_oscar: i think the best thing you can do is: [15:28] get the source package from packages.ubuntu.com for hardy [15:28] build that and install the packages on hardy [15:29] I was now trying to change the cvs version to include the changes chris made in the ubuntu version [15:29] if tv_grab_pt doesn't work, get the patch from http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/ and apply.. if it works [15:29] file a bug report against xmltv in launchpad and we'll fix it for hardy [15:29] i'm running gutsy though [15:29] yeah, that's why you have to rebuild xmltv.. [15:30] wild_oscar: i'd suggest prevu for that [15:32] will have a look [15:37] taking a while to set prevu up [15:37] yeah.. [15:37] i usually do it the complicated way, but i don't want to clutter my normal box with all those -dev packages [15:38] what's the complicated way? [15:39] well, that is the complicated way [15:39] i was going to try out the diskless server, but ended up not having enough room for the image, the client im going to use has a 4g drive in it, if i moved it to the backend it should be big enough shouldnt it? [15:40] laga: yes, it's a tad complicated...I have no idea about this prevu thing [15:41] MythbuntuGuest98: yes.. you probably need about 1-2GB when creating the image.. and some space for each client [15:41] wild_oscar: there's a wiki page [15:41] it builds packages and makes them available on synaptic for previous versions, is that i? [15:41] reading it [15:41] ok and where should i mount it? [15:41] wild_oscar: it may seem more complicated, but i think it'll help greatly when you need to backport additional packages to satisfy new dependencies [15:42] MythbuntuGuest98: /opt/ltsp/ [15:42] MythbuntuGuest98: the clients put their files in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/, you'll probably need 100-200M there [15:43] can anyone tell me how to view a slideshow of my images? [15:43] right now it'll only be interesting for a couple of weeks, as hardy is almost ready [15:43] wild_oscar: now imagien that tv_grab_pt is broken in hardy as well ;) [15:43] imagine* [15:45] we'll see that in a while! ;) [15:46] im not exactly sure how it works, but would it be better to just mount it in /media and symlink from each of those peices, that way each place can take as much of the pie as they need? [15:46] um i mean /media/drivename [15:47] MythbuntuGuest98: yeah, you can do that.. i wouldn't use symlinks, bind mounts might work better [15:48] ok ill look up bind mounts and see how they work [15:48] sudo mkdir /media/drivename/ltsp && sudo mkdir /media/drivename/overlay && sudo mount -o bind /media/drivename/ltsp/ /opt/ltsp/... [15:48] something like that [15:48] you should add them to fstab, too [15:48] (won't that 4GB drive be noisy as hell?) [15:49] i dont know, havent used it in a while, all my hardware is old and noisy though, so i probably wont notice [15:50] hah, good call :) [15:50] the "plan" is once i get everything working good ill put it them all in a room in the basement and run wires from there, doubt ill ever find the motivation though [15:52] no wife to yell at you for having noisy computers? [15:53] yeah, she complains some [15:53] she has gotten used to it though [15:53] too bad for your motivation [15:54] lol === MythbuntuGuest97 is now known as Trollgaard [16:06] laga: shouldn't prevu solve dependencies in the xmltv package? [16:06] wild_oscar: i hope so [16:07] it's complaining about "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies" [16:08] oh [16:08] it doesnt do it automagically [16:08] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu at the bottom of the page [16:18] aah [16:18] cheers [16:18] all set [16:20] laga: the hardy one is the same as gutsy, I believe [16:20] wild_oscar: the xmltv package? [16:20] sorry, not the package, but the tv_grab_pt file problem [16:22] okay.. so we need you to identify the patch which fixes this so we can put it into hardy :) [16:22] hmm...wait; I see that the cvs version also doesn't have the web change [16:22] ah? [16:22] are you able to run the script in your machine? [16:22] the latest cvs version, preferably [16:22] heh [16:23] you're lucky, i just updated to the latest CVS [16:23] well, i'm in the process of finding out why updating didn't work... [16:23] hehe [16:24] well, when you have the latest tv_grab_pt available for test tell me...I'll try to change the script in the meantim [16:24] *time [16:29] i wish the sourceforge CVs servers were faster [16:38] laga: do you know how to check which cvs revision is on the hardy package? [16:38] wild_oscar: tv_grab_pt --help [16:38] or --version [16:38] plain old --version will do the trick [16:39] well...sort of [16:40] they may have changed some stuff, as the line numbering doesn't match [16:43] perl makes me sad. [16:43] lol [16:43] how come? [16:44] it looks weird, gives me weird error messages i dont understand and so on [16:46] I have no pearl knowledge... [16:46] *perl [16:47] but it looks simple enough so you can play with it, say, when you want xmltv listings on ester sunday [16:47] heh [16:47] i didnt know perl either when in started writing my own grabber last year [16:52] what country do u live in? [16:52] germany [16:52] my grabber is for many european countries, though [16:52] commercial, though :/ [16:53] I'm having a look at ontv [16:57] wild_oscar, I made that mistake too [16:57] sorry was thinking of another app [16:57] ontv was not bad [16:58] it looks nice [16:58] yeah [16:58] I'm trying to find how to add channel logos now [16:58] good luck [16:58] my main goal is to add channel listings to mythtv [16:58] well, after I configure mythtv properly [16:58] there is a guide for that [16:59] wild_oscar: there's a button in mythtv-setup for that :) [16:59] nice, reduced to a button [16:59] but someone needs to be have submitted channel logos before.. or rather some other information [16:59] i think [16:59] but now I just wanted to get a nice app to make me not forget some tv programs! [16:59] laga: channel logos, that is? [16:59] they have a database of channel logos and you need to select the right one, IIRC [16:59] yes [17:00] I'm somewhat behind in mythtv though [17:00] it's only in 0.21 [17:00] I still haven't even made mythv show my tv channels properly [17:00] :p [17:02] good luck :) [17:03] yeah...luck and patience! [17:07] brb [17:27] back [17:33] I was going to try to configure mythv... [17:33] but I opened tvtime and mariah carrey is singing on vh1 [17:34] and suddently I forgot what I was doing [17:53] I used the tv_grab_pt to grab the channel listings in mythtv...and it told me to run mythfilldatabase --manual [17:53] it is now asking me, presumably, for the channel number of all the xml programming it found [17:53] wild_oscar: mythfilldatabase --manual --preset [17:54] how do I know which numbers should go? [17:54] what is the --preset argument for? [17:54] --preset will ask you for numbers for the channels, so if you say channel ABC should be on 5, you can just hit 5 on your remote [17:54] very useful for europe because we have alphanumeric frequency ids.. the US doesnt have that. [17:55] theirs are numeric only. [17:55] wild_oscar: you can use 'scantv' from the xawtv package... [17:55] or go to the website of your cable company [17:56] are they the same numbers as in, say, the tvtime software? [17:56] yeah. [17:56] oh, ok [17:56] i hope so at least :) [17:56] I'll check with that then... [18:06] laga: scantv is great! :D [18:06] how does it find the channel name info? [18:07] oh, it does? ;) from the 'teletext'/'videotext'.. [18:11] the wonders of technology... [18:11] :p [18:23] laga: what's the difference between channel ID and channel preset on fillmydb --preset? [18:24] i think that's the primary key for the channels table in mysql.. at least that's what i says on the german wiki [18:24] id is the alphanumeric code (SE11, E8, 44) you get on the output of scantv? [18:25] i think you just ender a number there [18:25] wild_oscar: no, that's the frequency id [18:25] s/ender/enter/ [18:25] wild_oscar: or check wiki.mythtv.org [18:45] how do you access/change this info after running filldb? [18:45] I presume running filldatabase again will override the previous settings [18:47] what settings? [18:50] channel info (id, name, preset, frequencyid, tv format, icon) [18:50] now [18:50] it's stored in the DB [18:50] well [18:51] it'll override if you run mythfilldatabase --manual again ;() [18:51] IIRC# [18:51] but for minor adjustments, mythweb or mythtv-setup are better [18:53] hey whats up [18:56] hey i have a question about my hdhomerun about 2 days ago i was unable to lock on my local cbs station @ 9.1 so i did a hdhomerun_config scan it found the channel and so manual st and tuned to the channel. but mythtv cant lock on it [18:57] SCANNING: 623000000 (us-bcast:39) LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=74 seq=100) PROGRAM: 9: 9.1 KWTV-1 [18:57] what if it runs mythfilldatabase, as it asks for whenever you run mythsetup? [18:57] won't override these settings? [18:58] wild_oscar: no, mythfilldatabase just fills the DB with EPG data [18:58] ah, cheers [18:59] wild_oscar: do you have a working patch for tv_grab_pt [18:59] ? [19:00] oh, sorry [19:00] I do [19:01] it's the same as in cvs 144 [19:01] 1.44 [19:01] so ... i built a mythbuntu box, and i have a question........ should 2GB of memory be enough to record two live HDTV ota signals at once? I do not do any transcoding on the box, only commerical flagging with low cpu usage [19:01] only the hardy version doesn't match the line numbering of 1.43 [19:01] i sometimes get glitches in my hd recordings =/ [19:02] the diff is http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/tv_grab_pt?view=diff&r1=text&tr1=1.44&r2=text&tr2=1.43&diff_format=h [19:02] wild_oscar: if you could file a bug against xmltv in hardy, we'll fix it there [19:05] in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu ? [19:05] wild_oscar: yeah [19:06] will do that [19:06] I take it that I can add/edit presets afterward in mythv? [19:07] yes [19:11] please help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732020 my box hasnt worked in over a week. [19:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/+bug/205662 [19:13] thanks [19:13]