[00:13] <monolith> If i'm haveing trouble with the Kubuntu 8.04 Beta is this where I should ask about it?
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> monolith: no... #ubuntu+1
[00:15] <monolith> Okay, thanks
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> monolith: if you are running kde4 and they seem to be kde4 specific, you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: have you noticed in the printer applet that if you right click on the systray icon when the main window isn't showing it will show the main window and not the context menu?
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> hmm, let me check that out.
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> hmmm... indeed
[00:45] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: looking at the qt docs, I don't see what we are ment to do differently
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> could it be that on_iconpopupmenu ?
[00:50] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I commented out your else: statement from showMainWindow()
[00:50] <Riddell> which has fixed it
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> oooops :)
[00:51] <Riddell> we can just use show() directly at the bottom for if "--show"
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I did that, but there was some reason that I called that..
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> can't remember though, so yeah, I'll take that out.
[00:53] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: no need!
[00:54] <Riddell> the applet is now maintained in KDE :)
[00:55] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: please test http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/printer-applet/
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> I fixed it... I just changed the else to an elif reason==show
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> awesome :)
[00:56] <Riddell> yeah, we rock
[00:59] <seele> Riddell: i hope youre still this excited about printing halfway through the SoC
[00:59] <seele> Riddell: or you had a *really* good weekend ;-P
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> we should add an "about" to it.
[00:59] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: go ask for an svn account http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account
[01:00] <seele> nosrednaekim: have you seen the wireframes?  they may be out of date now, but they might help you with some parts of the dialog layout
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah, Riddell just pointed them out to me after I asked your advice...
[01:01] <seele> cool
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> so i'll consult them first.
[01:05] <seele> well, whatever is easiet.  i think the priority is to get something working as long as you don't mind fixing the UI later.
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> yep, thats the plan
[03:10] <calc> do bugs against the cd installer belong to ubiquity or something else?
[03:10] <nixternal> if it is installation, then ubiquity
[03:11] <calc> ok
[03:11] <calc> the install (not live cd) version doesn't deactivate the minimize button
[03:11] <nixternal> ooh, that would suck
[03:12] <calc> yea no way to get it back afaict
[03:12] <nixternal> if you didn't know shortcuts, that would minimize it to oblivion :)
[03:12] <calc> i didn't know them but i didn't try it until it started installing so i didn't really need it
[03:13] <nixternal> alright, I will go ahead and work on an ubiquity patch for that
[03:13] <calc> nixternal: i didn't check it for gnome but it might happen on regular ubuntu cd also
[03:13] <calc> the reason i did that type of install was the installer in the live kubuntu cd didn't work
[03:13] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:13] <calc> it would act like it was going to run but did nothing
[03:14]  * calc needed to install kubuntu to check out OOo bugs
[05:23] <r0uzic> Good night
[11:39] <awen_> Riddell: have you had time to look at http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/ ? ... update: I've just been polishing it a little and reuploaded
[11:41] <Riddell> awen_: no, what is it?  I don't have time just now, it'll need to be this evening
[11:42] <awen_> Riddell: it's kde-guidance-powermanager now with helper function to get button-events directly from HAL
[11:56] <ScottK> Riddell and awen_: I can probably look at it today.
[12:00] <awen_> ScottK: sounds good... I'll be online the rest of the day (CET), so if you have any questions while looking at it, just ask
[12:00] <ScottK> awen_: Will do.
[12:27] <Serega> hi all
[12:27] <Serega> Riddell: Jonathan?
[13:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, ok. So, I'm fixing up that "Press Room" view on the left hand sidebar, it'll contain the headlines. Did you also want one called "Latest Updates" or "Latest Package Updates" or something of the sort?
[15:08] <jjesse> mrning
[15:09] <Artemis_Fowl> evning :)
[15:09] <jjesse> :)
[15:11] <awen_> g'afternoon
[15:12] <nixternal> morning
[15:15] <Jucato> nixternal!!!! :)
[15:15] <jjesse> morning
[15:16] <jjesse> must be spring break in chhiago land today
[15:16] <ScottK> I didn't think they allowed Spring in Chicago.
[15:16] <jjesse> its not happening in michigan
[15:16] <jjesse> supposed to get snow this week again
[15:18] <ScottK> Flowers are blooming here.  This weekend is supposed to be the peak bloom time for the cherry blossoms in Washington DC.
[15:22] <awen_> in Denmark it's supposed to be spring... but it's been snowing the last 3 hours (this is the third day with snow in a week)
[15:23] <nixternal> we had flowers bloom last week, and we also had snow kill all those flowers :)
[15:23] <jjesse> same here
[15:27] <Jucato> nixternal: on the same day? :)
[16:20] <jjesse_> ?:
[18:08] <seele> is there anyway to make firefox use the kde file open and print dialogs?
[18:11] <ScottK> seele: I haven't bothered to do this, so I don't know if it actually works or not: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110353
[18:13] <seele> ScottK: i'm more concerned with if it should be done by default
[18:14] <ScottK> seele: Personally I'd prefer it if it were.  I think it would be reasonable to spec this for Ibex and do it.
[18:16] <seele> hmm
[19:05] <nixternal> seele and ScottK: those instructions work, and they work well
[19:05] <nixternal> oh wait, those are the old ones, don't work anymore iirc
[19:06]  * nixternal finds the bug report
[19:08] <nixternal> seele: those instructions work with firefox 2, but I don't know about firefox 3..won't hurt trying them I guess
[19:15] <seele> nixternal: sure, but i'd like to see that as a kubuntu default :)
[19:22] <nixternal> there are a couple people would like to see
[20:06] <Riddell> ScottK: did you look at awen_'s package?
[20:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[20:06] <Riddell> Serega: pong
[20:08] <Serega> Riddell: hey! why do we store install-css.sh in kaffeine package? I propose to remove it
[20:10] <Riddell> Serega: shrug, does it do any harm?
[20:11] <smarter> it's already in libdvdread3
[20:11] <smarter> and medibuntu is better anyway (:
[20:12] <Serega> Riddell: just to cleanup. dvdcss installing is implemented anyway. ok it's minor. another one: please point me to package where also is present localized helper script. I absolutely have no idea what to do with such .pot :(
[20:13] <Riddell> Serega: I don't know of any
[20:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I have not looked at it yet.
[20:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like tomorrow or very late tonight before I have a shot at getting back to Guidance.
[20:14] <Serega> argh...
[20:18] <awen_> ScottK: I have been looking at the guidance bugs regarding powermanger, but on nearly all of them it seems that they needs to be closed, as they are crashes that doesn't occur anymore... do we have anything regarding powermanager that needs fixing?
[20:20] <ScottK> awen_: I'm not sure.  I've been relying on you for that and focusing on displayconfig.  There is a userconfig utf8 bug that looks like it needs fixing.
[20:23] <awen_> ScottK: okay... then that is probably a good sign; I'll go triage some of the older non-prioritized bugs then, and see if they still occur
[20:27]  * ScottK quietly hopes awen_ decides to look into the userconfig thing.
[20:27] <awen_> ScottK: do you have a bug number?
[20:32]  * ScottK looks
[20:36] <ScottK> awen_: Bug #112101 (It shows assigned, but he assigned it for triaging, not fixing, so feel free) and Bug #205487 - Not sure if they are the exact same issue or not.
[20:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112101 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance user management broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112101
[20:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205487 in kde-guidance "Modify and New in userconfig don't work due to unicode errors" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205487
[20:39] <awen_> ScottK: I'll try to take a look at them
[20:40] <ScottK> awen_: Thanks.
[20:55] <awen_> ScottK: I think the problem isn't surprising... two lines above the one where the error occurs it says "# FIXME possible bug here because name is unicode and the str()'s used below might not be able to coerce a unicode group name into what we want"
[20:56] <ScottK> awen_: Heh.  I hadn't had a chance to look at the code yet.
[20:56] <awen_> ScottK: :)
[20:56] <ScottK> awen_: Since supporting users in their own language is an important Kubuntu value, I think this is important.  Any chance you can fix it?
[20:57] <blueyed> The ~kubuntu-members/kdebase/debian bzr branch is from 2008-01-04?!
[20:58] <awen_> ScottK: as the powermanager fixes I've done is the first python I have ever looked at I won't give any guarantees... but I'll give it a try
[20:58]  * awen_ goes hunting for some documentation about python and unicode strings
[20:58] <ScottK> awen_: You're doing excellent so far.  Please go for it.
[20:58] <ScottK> blueyed: We aren't actively using them right now.  It was to painful.
[20:59] <blueyed> ScottK: pity. even with bzr-builddeb?
[20:59] <_StefanS_> evening
[21:00] <ScottK> blueyed: Wasn't my decision, but at a guess, the main kde packages are huge.  I checked that one out just to see if there was anything of interest before my last upload and it took minutes just to get a local copy.
[21:00] <ScottK> It's just to slow.
[21:00] <blueyed> ScottK: well, the kdebase branch is only the debian dir..
[21:01] <ScottK> That's not small either.  Look in the patches dir.
[21:03] <blueyed> well, ~1M there.. branching takes ~30s here.. but ok then..
[21:04] <ScottK> dunno.  Ask Riddell if you really want to know.
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: looks like we are going to have to make the printer applet a bit more KDE-like <_<
[21:28] <awen_> don't we use utf-8 as preferred encoding with all languages?
[21:36] <awen_> ScottK: I believe I have a fix for bug 205487 (but I have no means of testing it, can't really reproduce the problem)
[21:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205487 in kde-guidance "Modify and New in userconfig don't work due to unicode errors" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205487
[21:38] <awen_> ScottK: regarding bug 112101 ... everything seems to be done correctly there; I believe it is an environment problem as noted by the second to last comment on the bug
[21:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112101 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance user management broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112101
[21:38] <ScottK> awen_: Could you upload it to a PPA and then ask the user to check?
[21:38] <ScottK> OK.
[21:39] <awen_> ScottK: I'll upload and ask
[21:39] <ScottK> Thanks
[22:00] <awen_> are we going to solely have kde4 on hardy+1 or will kde 3.x live on?
[22:02] <ScottK> Good question.  I suspect we discuss that at UDS and make a bet based on how we think kde 4.1 will turn out.
[22:03] <nixternal> we will move kde3 to universe more than likely and move kde4 to main
[22:04] <nixternal> I doubt we will release a KDE 3 release though
[22:06] <awen_> okay... so hardy will probably be the last (and long-living kde3) release
[22:06] <nixternal> a good possibility, unless we plan on doing a Kubuntu KDE 3 Remix like we are doing right now for KDE 4
[22:08] <awen_> so "nothing decided yet" is the only liable conclusion :)
[22:12] <nixternal> yup
[22:12] <nixternal> like ScottK said, won't know until after UDS
[22:24] <awen_> nixternal: bug 178356 ... was thinking about looking at it, but you had already tracked the problem?
[22:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178356 in kipi-plugins "[hardy] batch resize generates "error"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178356
[22:26] <nixternal> awen_: hrmm, thought the fix was uploaded already
[22:27] <nixternal> the issue is with the .desktop file for the batch converter...there is a bogus regex in the file
[22:27] <nixternal> I thought that was fixed though
[22:27] <awen_> nixternal: nope... newest version of kipi-plugins is the same as the one i reported against
[22:28] <nixternal> maybe I fixed it upstream then and forget to patch here
[22:30] <nixternal> if you want to work on it, go ahead
[22:30] <nixternal> I am quite busy working upstream this week
[22:31] <awen_> nixternal: I'll go look at it... you've pointed me a long way in the right direction
[22:32] <nixternal> there is a regex iirc that is bogus, or the way the command is run...I fixed like 10 bugs with them stupid menus so I am having a tough time remembering now
[22:34] <awen_> nixternal: I'll try to see if I can find it
[22:35] <awen_> any reason why we don't upgrade to the stable version of kipi-plugins as this is out now?
[22:36]  * awen_ has seen many errors in kipi-plugins as they are now
[22:37] <ScottK> awen_: It's probably needing packaging (if not in Debian) and an FFe.
[22:38] <nixternal> interesting
[22:38] <awen_> ScottK: it needs packaging... the one we have is the newest one in debian; and it is an import from debian experimental :/
[22:39] <nixternal> they have only been out for a week
[22:41] <awen_> nixternal: i know that... but just thought of it as a possibility
[22:41] <awen_> I've only used a limited amount of the plugins, but iirc I've experienced bugs in about half of them