[00:04] <coincoin169> hello
[00:04] <coincoin169> have you any troubleshooting with the sound in hardy heron beta ?
[00:05] <dns53> just hanging around to see what is broken
[00:10] <Tailsfan> Hello, Is this the channel to ask questions about Wubi?
[00:11] <Infecto> ;]
[00:11] <Tailsfan> because there is a Wubi Installer on Hardy and I was wondering if it's safe to use
[00:12] <Tailsfan> because I'm getting tired of using Vbox to run Ubuntu
[00:12] <HardyOne> Tailsfan, yes it is safe to use
[00:12] <Tailsfan> OK, because I was thinking of installing Hardy via Wubi
[00:13] <HardyOne> Tailsfan, give it a shot :)
[00:13] <Tailsfan> OK
[00:16] <dns53> wubi should be safe, it just creates a really large file on your windows partition and creates a menu entry in your windows boot menu
[00:18] <monolith> Hey, I've booted the Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 LiveCD and networking doesn't work. I've had the same problem on the KDE3 versions of the Hardy Alphas. My networking is onboard ethernert on an nforce 680i chipset motherboard. Mynetwork uses DHCP and connects just fine in my 7.10 install. Does anyone have any ideas?
[00:19] <HorizonXP> how can I add more than one Google Calendar to Evolution?
[00:19] <ToHellWithGA> monolith: wired or wireless isn't working?
[00:19] <ToHellWithGA> HorizonXP: that might be an evolution question rather than a +1 question
[00:19] <lime4x4> monolith i think i have your answer
[00:19] <HorizonXP> ToHellWithGA: That channel is so dead...
[00:20] <ToHellWithGA> HorizonXP: yeah but this channel is so not the place for application specific support unless the application's problem is somehow related to the development and release of this revision of ubuntu
[00:20] <ToHellWithGA> #ubuntu-offtopic is decent for random stuff
[00:20] <monolith> Wired
[00:20]  * HorizonXP joins ubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:21] <monolith> And sorry I was brb, I'm here now
[00:21] <lime4x4> Monolith i have the same chipset try this from this thread  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691372
[00:22] <lime4x4> try those commands from a terminal if it works then follow the rest of the thread
[00:22] <monolith> lime4x4, Yea! I have the same mobo exacly. Hold on, I'll try those commands
[00:24] <m11> hi all
[00:24] <monolith> lime4x4, What do you know. It worked! Thanks a bunch!
[00:24] <m11> i have funny problem with evolution mail , it's buttons to send recive just got greyed and i cant use it, anyone had similar problem ?
[00:25] <lime4x4> no problem just follow the rest of the thread to make it permanent and u should be good
[00:28] <ToHellWithGA> say lime4x4 do yall have to build svn modules?
[00:29] <ToHellWithGA> i had to build madwifi for wireless for my macbook from source on gutsy, haven't checked on hardy
[00:31] <lime4x4> i haven't built a svn module
[00:31] <TheInfinity> ToHellWithGA: i have a macbook pro rev3 and i still have no wlan per default
[00:31] <jaebird> any one enjoying the b43 driver! :(
[00:31] <lime4x4> m11 make sure your not working in offline mode
[00:31] <TheInfinity> i already opened a bug report
[00:32] <jaebird> i'm speeding along at 1Mbit on a G connection
[00:32] <ToHellWithGA> TheInfinity: is it a madwifi/atheros chipset?
[00:32] <TheInfinity> yes
[00:33] <TheInfinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/205234
[00:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205234 in linux-meta "[Hardy] Atheros AR5418 chipset not supported" [Undecided,New]
[00:34] <prometheus2> jaebird: I cant even get my b43 driver to work
[00:34] <prometheus2> says I need firmware
[00:34] <jaebird> mine is a BCM4306 rev 03
[00:34] <TheInfinity> prometheus: than it might be this way :)
[00:34] <prometheus2> jaebird: same rev
[00:35] <jaebird> prometheus2: i removed and reinstalled the b43-fwcutter
[00:35] <prometheus2> jaebird: did you need to download the firmware?
[00:35] <jaebird> it automatically is supposed to
[00:35] <prometheus2> k
[00:35] <jaebird> but now there is a network-manager problem
[00:36] <prometheus2> lol
[00:36] <prometheus2> buggy buggy beta
[00:36] <jaebird> u need to install network-manager 0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[00:36] <jaebird> the latest is *ubuntu2...it uses 100% cpu and never comes back
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> TheInfinity: i feel kinda 1337 building my wireless module as soon as i install
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> maybe that's silly
[00:37] <jaebird> ToHell: heh
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> i just keep the source in /home, which i have on its own partition
[00:37] <TheInfinity> ToHellWithGA: svn drivers are not funny, i had too much freezes with wrong versions
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> especially when the last step before i install is cd ~/source/madwifi/ && svn up
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> i've only had two or three revisions that sucked hard
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> the rest have been golden
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> i keep a backup of the current working checkout just in case :)
[00:38] <prometheus2> jaebird: do I still need to restart?
[00:39] <jaebird> prometheus2, i usually do..u can prob modprobe
[00:39] <prometheus2> jaebird: the module named bcm43xx?
[00:40] <ToHellWithGA> prometheus2: it should tab complete
[00:40] <jaebird> no bcm43xx doesn't work anymore
[00:40] <jaebird> b43 is what we have to use
[00:40] <jaebird> something about the new kernel, yada yada
[00:40] <prometheus2> I modprobed bcm43xx and it worked
[00:40] <ToHellWithGA> jaebird: what about ndiswrapper?
[00:41] <jaebird> ToHellWithGA, maybe...i kinda despise it ;)
[00:42] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon i'll be using it on this box by the end of the night
[00:42] <ToHellWithGA> rt2500 driver is bunk, gives me about 20k/s speed within 30 feet of the wireless router
[00:42] <jaebird> yeah...1Mbit is pretty lame
[00:45] <flick> hi, i've noticed that the eth0 fails to resume properly after a suspend to ram - sudo ifup eth0 doesn't bring it back
[00:45] <flick> is this a bug?
[00:45] <prometheus2> eww
[00:45] <ToHellWithGA> flick: suspend to ram is pretty janky in my experience
[00:45] <ToHellWithGA> i've had my laptop wake itself up just for fun and get nice and warm in the bag
[00:46] <ToHellWithGA> sometimes the trackpad acts as if it is being touched
[00:46] <flick> hah
[00:46] <ToHellWithGA> i think boot times are short enough that i don't play with suspend to ram
[00:47] <flick> what about auto suspend after a period of inactivity?
[00:47] <flick> agreed that boot times are short enough...
[00:47] <ToHellWithGA> i let the screen and drives turn off/down
[00:47] <flick> how do you do that?
[00:47] <ToHellWithGA> sudo laptop_mode start is supposed to help save power
[00:47] <flick> ok i see
[00:47] <ToHellWithGA> also, gnome has power saving settings
[00:48] <ToHellWithGA> system->preferences->power management
[00:48] <DanaG> iwl3945 also sucks.
[00:49] <flick> ok i won
[00:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how so?
[00:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, ?
[00:49] <flick> 't bother about this now... let's see if they fix it in the next version
[00:49] <flick> thanks
[00:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, dinner time for me.
[00:50] <DanaG> Will be back later.
[00:50] <DanaG> (To me, "bbl" is "bubble")
[00:54]  * akumar_ be back after 9:30 eastern
[00:55] <prometheus2> jaebird: how do I get the old network-manager?
[00:55] <prometheus2> jaebird: how do I get the old network-manager?
[00:56] <frank23> Windows installer royally screwed up my partition table. Please read here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60815/   I just want to know if rewriting the partition table as I suggest will work and if there is anything I should watch out for.  Right now I'm in a ubuntu livecd.
[00:56] <prometheus2> jaebird: how do I get the old network-manager?
[00:57] <Yahooadam> prometheus2 - he probably wont help if you spam him
[00:57] <prometheus2> didn't think it went through (thought I didn't have a connection
[00:59] <Yahooadam> frank23 - "Is it straight forward to reallocate the partitions while preserving their boundaries."
[00:59] <Yahooadam> what do you mean?
[00:59] <frank23> Yahooadam: well the unalocated space at the end used to be hda4. can I just name it hda4 again?
[01:00] <Yahooadam> ah lol, you have a problem
[01:00] <Yahooadam> you can only have 4 primary partitions
[01:01] <frank23> Yahooadam: I know. but windows shuffled them around
[01:01] <Yahooadam> yeah but the "unallocated" space at the end, if you wanted to allocate it, it would need to be another primary partition (atm)
[01:02] <frank23> Yahooadam: yeah I need to reorganize everything but I don't want to lose the data
[01:02] <Yahooadam> which partitions do you want to preserve data in?
[01:03] <Yahooadam> 1, 4 and the "unusable" one?
[01:04] <frank23> Yahooadam: hda1 still works. the 'empty' space at the end needs to be saved (it was /home)   the rest is expendable but I would still like to keep them if I can
[01:04] <mcquaid> i had a dapper box that was my mythtv box.  i wiped it clean and did a fresh install of the beta and myth .21
[01:05] <mcquaid> on the dapper box, the mythtv user was like any other user, but in hardy beta, the mythtv user doesn't seem to be a normal user
[01:05] <slavik> RAOF: are you around?
[01:05] <Yahooadam> frank23 - hmmm, well, personally, i would drop a primary partition (but make a note of position and stuff)
[01:06] <mcquaid> the mythtv has a home but doesn't appear in the login. and when i do a switch user to mythtv user it just shows $ at the prompt
[01:06] <Yahooadam> then try and assign the /home partition again, and pray that the data is still intact
[01:06] <mcquaid> oh and i can't login with the mythtv user from gdm
[01:06] <mcquaid> anyway, i'm asking about this because i can't seem to get the myth box running and not sure if this is affecting it
[01:06] <frank23> Yahooadam: yeah that's what I was thinking. just afraid to screw up ;-)
[01:06] <mcquaid> anyone run myth on hardy?
[01:07] <burner> can myth work as just a frontend to a directory of videos?
[01:07] <burner> i'd use it for that, but i think elisa is more up my alley
[01:07] <burner> which crashes atm
[01:07] <Yahooadam> frank23 - i cant see what else to do really
[01:07] <Yahooadam> if you do recover the data, you could use gparted to move partitions around
[01:08] <frank23> Yahooadam: yeah...
[01:08] <Yahooadam> so move /home to the second position, 2, then give windows something at the end of the drive (a logical of some sort)
[01:10] <frank23> Yahooadam: I don't have to move it really. I could just do something else with the middle.
[01:13] <jp> Is there A way I can install an nvidia driver so that I can support the advanced graphics mode
[01:14] <frank23> Yahooadam: Yeah I'm gonna try. I'm pretty confident it should work. Thanks for the moral support :)
[01:14] <m1r> jp , restricted driver manager or envy
[01:15] <Yahooadam> frank23 - good luck :)
[01:16] <jp> mlr, I can't find restricted drivers on HH, but I just allowed for all packages to be installed, and when I went to try and set extra features, it installed the driver automaticly.
[01:20] <JohnPhy1>  Is anyone in here having issues iwth how fonts are rendered on an lcd in gnome terminal or qt apps in hardy?  Specifically, they don't seem to follow the sub-pixel hinting rules set through System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts, but other apps (such as gedit, pidgin) do.
[01:21] <leo_rockw> greetings
[01:24] <leo_rockw> does anybody know if there's a solution to the "do not close the laptop lid" problem?
[01:25] <subsume> how can I apt-get hardy? I want to make a chroot thin-client
[01:27] <mcquaid> damnit ok trackerd's gotta go.  this box had 3 gigs free yesterday now it's 0.  where does tracker store the index files?
[01:27] <Armagguedes>   is there any essential functionality missing from 804-beta-KDE4? or does everything pretty much work? is  stuff like the Kontact PIM or KOffice already ported (or at least working)?
[01:27] <subsume> anyone know what the source package is for hardy minimum install???
[01:27] <hspaans> mcquaid: ~/.cache/tracker
[01:28] <leo_rockw> Armagguedes: some apps are not ported yet, altho off the top of my head i can't tell you which ones
[01:28] <mcquaid> damn, i found where it stores it's cache that wasn't it
[01:28] <jaebird> prometheus2: still there?
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> Armagguedes: as far as base functionality goes, vanilla ubuntu 8.04 is decently stable and usable
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> dunno about the kde side
[01:28] <mcquaid> this box had 3 gigs now 0.  i just installed hardy beta on it yesterday
[01:29] <hspaans> mcquaid: where then? your running an old version?
[01:31] <leo_rockw> is anyone having problems w/ kicker freezing when kde loads? (i don't want to report a bug since i'm not sure if this is hardy related)
[01:32] <mcquaid> sorry it wasn't trackerd my mistake. it was mythtv going hog wild with gigs of logs
[01:32] <hspaans> always nice ;-)
[01:34] <JohnPhy1> mcquaid:  I ran into that the other day, my mythbox has been running for years and I never though to check those logs, then I noticed I was losing space!
[01:34] <mcquaid> heh, i just installed it yesterday and it was over 2 gigs! having issues with myth .21 in beta
[01:35] <mcquaid> trying to resolve it now
[01:38] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I'm wondering if myth 0.21 will be backported to dapper, so that I don't haveto try a dapper -> hardy upgrade on that box
[01:41] <mcquaid> i doubt it, well maybe.  it'll piss me off as i went through this for .21 otherwise would have left it dapper
[01:41] <Infecto> hhaah :) i just added finger print reader to kdm works fine!
[01:41] <mcquaid> i had no probs 2 years ago setting up myth, just can't get it working now
[01:44] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I just don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading that older machine
[01:44] <JohnPhy1> and they backported 0.20 to dapper, and then 0.20.2 (schedules direct) to dapper
[01:44] <ethana2> it's not liking something
[01:45] <ethana2> ...i'll try updates again...
[01:45] <ethana2> 5 broken packages
[01:46] <RAOF> slavik: Yeah?  A bit.
[01:46] <slavik> RAOF: you posted a fixed deb for the xorg-core to fix the stuck keys
[01:46] <slavik> basically, any chance for an amd64 version or instructions?
[01:47]  * slavik is a packaging noob
[01:47] <RAOF> No; I posted a debdiff applying that guy's patch; you can build a fixed xserver by applying the debdiff.
[01:47] <RAOF> !debdiff | slavic
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about debdiff - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <RAOF> Really?
[01:47] <slavik> I'll google
[01:47] <poseidon> For somereason I can't get a wireless connection anymore.  When I click on the network manager the wireless netowkrs don't show up anymore.  and when I click on manual configuration wireless networks still doesn't show up as an option.  However if I go to the network editor I can see the last reuter I was on, and it's info
[01:47] <RAOF> slavik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=(debdiff)
[01:48] <slavik> ty
[01:48] <poseidon> I'm in xp right now
[01:52] <Armagguedes> is the sound problem fixed in hardy?
[01:53] <irelinquish> hey everyone, i am loving the beta. Just wondering what the best way to install kde 3.5.9 once i have gnome up and running
[01:53] <Armagguedes> in gutsy a kernel regression broke the sound system (for Intel Hi-Def audio and some others)
[01:53] <slavik> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <irelinquish> thanks
[01:54] <JohnPhy1> irelenquish:  are you using an lcd monitor?  and if so, how do your fonts in qt apps and gnome-terminal look, compared to others?
[01:54] <nonewmsgs> i think hoardy has kde4.0
[01:54] <nonewmsgs> slavik will that insteall kde3 or kde4
[01:54] <JohnPhy1> nonewmsgs:  it has both, and I think kubuntu is still 3.5
[01:56] <DanaG> Odd: my Gnome has lately had the issue of starting slowly (i.e. it takes over a minute for the window-manager to launch).
[01:56] <slavik> kde3 I think
[01:56] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  in what version of ubuntu?  gutsy?
[01:56] <DanaG> Hardy.
[01:57] <JohnPhy1> hmm, I don't think I've encountered that
[01:57] <JohnPhy1> certainly have it on gutsy though
[01:58] <nonewmsgs> so if i want kde4 should i start with kubuntu or ubuntu
[01:58] <JohnPhy1> nonewmsgs I don't think it matters, you can install kde4 by running sudo apt-get install kde4
[01:59] <nonewmsgs> sweet johnphl thanks
[01:59] <JohnPhy1> it throws a ton of stuff into your gnome menus though
[01:59] <JohnPhy1> i was not happy
[02:00] <irelinquish> nonewmsgs, let me know how that goes for you?
[02:02] <nonewmsgs> irelinquish i am still with gutsy but i am trying to get a feel for the problems it has here
[02:04] <irelinquish> nonewmsgs, i dont really notice any bugs, it works better then gutsy for me
[02:04] <bluecake> how to config ubuntu, so i can use wireless card for internet, and config eth0 to be 10.0.1.100 and use both interfaces the same time? when i plug in wired eth0, wirelss turns off automatically
[02:05] <irelinquish> thats an awesome question
[02:05] <DanaG> Odd: when I open brasero and go to burn something, it locks up and then becomes unkillable!
[02:05] <irelinquish> have you done that with any other os?
[02:06] <frank23> Yahooadam: still here?
[02:06] <bluecake> irelinquish, windoze can do that
[02:06] <MFen> how do you change the default dvd player?
[02:06] <JohnPhy1> nonewmsgs:  There are quite a few things I've noticed in hardy that are not as good as gutsy (program crashes), and some things that are better
[02:07] <DanaG> (brasero:28950): BraseroBurn-DEBUG: At burn-medium.c:666: Retrieving speed (Get Performance)
[02:07] <DanaG> <Hangs here>
[02:07] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  run a backtrace and file a bug?
[02:07] <DanaG> It also becomes unkillable.
[02:08] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  even with kill -9?
[02:08] <DanaG> Yup.
[02:08] <JohnPhy1> Dang
[02:08] <DanaG> Oh, and it's a Firewire drive.
[02:08] <JohnPhy1> hmm, no idea
[02:08] <RAOF> Yay, it's hung in the kernel.
[02:08] <DanaG> [ 5414.910216] ieee1394: sbp2: aborting sbp2 command
[02:08] <DanaG> [ 5414.910230] sr 7:0:0:0: [sr1] CDB: Erase(12), Get Performance: ac 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00
[02:08] <RAOF> Huzzah for D state :)
[02:09] <MFen> it's not preferred applications > multimedia
[02:09] <DanaG> It unhangs after a while, though.
[02:09] <frank23> Yahooadam: it worked! I used parted to recreate my /home and have never read an info page with this much intensity before ;-)
[02:09] <Eroick> is it even worth installing the beta right now or should I just wait for the official release?
[02:11] <JohnPhy1> Eroick: if you have a spare partition to set it up, I'd go for it.  It will give you an idea of whether or not it will be "ok" to upgrade when the official release comes out, plus you can help with filing bugs.  Otherwise, I'd wait.
[02:11] <Eroick> well i just picked up a laptop from someone, its older but decent and I want linux on it.
[02:12] <MFen> it's not even under File Management > Preferences.  i see that i cna change what happens, but the only thing i can change it TO is "ask" or "totem" or "nothing"
[02:12] <MFen> i can't change it to another app
[02:12] <JohnPhy1> If it's not your main machine, go for it
[02:12] <MFen> and by the way, why are there 4 different places to configure application preferences?
[02:12] <JohnPhy1> it could suffer breakage at any time though
[02:12] <MFen> not counting the gnome config editor
[02:13] <DG19075> Got one for the trusted brains here: The Firefox beta with 8.04 has a hell of a time installing Java..and the GCJ thingy doesn't seem to work either. Workaround?
[02:14] <MFen> DG19075: try sun-java6-plugin
[02:14] <Nuke_> is azureus acting crashtastic for anyone else
[02:14] <JohnPhy1> Nuke_:  in what version of ubuntu?
[02:15] <Nuke_> hardy
[02:16] <JohnPhy1> Nuke_ : sorry, forgot what channel this was!  I haven't actually tried it in hardy yet, though the gutsy one was pretty buggy until I got it using suns java and installed the backported azureus
[02:16] <DanaG> "Fixating" -- hah, sounds kinda' funny.
[02:17] <DanaG> Lame: brasero ejected the burned disk, and then asked me to insert it for an "integrity check"
[02:17] <Yahooadam> frank23 - gratz :)
[02:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and it said "some files were corrupted" even though the MD5sums were the same, and 'diff' between the two drives returns nothing.
[02:23] <DG19075> Mfen: I installed the java6 plugin with apt-get; the Firefox beta refuses to recognize it. Firefox 2 works fine with it...
[02:24] <leo_rockw> does anyone here have an ATI x1400 mobility?
[02:24] <slavik> I am trying to build xserver-xorg-core with a debdiff but I get errors regarding undeclared identifiers: GL_DEPTH_STENCIL_MESA, GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_15_1_MESA, GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_1_15_REV_MESA, GL_UNSIGNED_INT_24_8_MESA, and GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_24_REV_MESA
[02:24] <slavik> anyone by chance know where they come from?
[02:25] <JohnPhy1> I'm guessing a mesa vid driver?
[02:27] <RAOF> slavik: Have you pulled in all the build-dependencies?
[02:27] <slavik> yes
[02:28] <slavik> by doing apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-core
[02:28] <RAOF> Hm.  Odd.
[02:28] <slavik> is there a way to pull the history, maybe the list of packages could shed some light on this
[02:29] <slavik> any possibility that the amd64 repo doesn't have the package I need?
[02:30] <DanaG> Oh hey, do any Linux games do surround sound?
[02:30] <slavik> should I need libgl1-mesa-glx-dev?
[02:30] <slavik> DanaG: Doom3 should do 5.1
[02:31] <DanaG> Hmm, any other more fun ones?
[02:31] <DanaG> I also want it to work while wrapped through PulseAudio, if possible.
[02:32] <slavik> err ... then I dunno
[02:32] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  I believe Neverwinter Nights has support for 5.1 Surround
[02:32] <slavik> imo, I don't see the point to pulseaudio, wasn't ALSA supposed to fix the sound issue in Linux?
[02:33] <JohnPhy1> speaking of, does anyone now of a good place to read up on the specific differences between ALSA and PulseAudio?  How they compliment each other or how they are different?
[02:33] <DanaG> I do see a point: I use multiple audio devices, and I can do cool things with them.
[02:33] <DanaG> !pulseaudio
[02:33] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[02:34] <slavik> DanaG: something that just using ALSA you couldn't?
[02:34]  * slavik wonders what that could be
[02:34] <DanaG> Yup.
[02:34] <DanaG> ALSA can't move streams between devices on the fly.
[02:35] <slavik> so?
[02:35] <DanaG> PulseAudio can do that.  It can also duplicate the audio to all local devices, or send it to other computers over the network.
[02:35] <Itaku> my wines stuck how do i get it un-stuck?
[02:35] <slavik> so it's for streaming audio ...
[02:35] <slavik> Itaku: err?
[02:35] <Itaku> im using mirc
[02:35] <Itaku> and i cant switch windows
[02:35] <DanaG> Actually, it's more like "airTunes" -- remote speakers, rather than "streaming" as in web radio.
[02:35] <Itaku> or close it
[02:35] <slavik> Itaku: dunno how to help :(
[02:36] <JohnPhy1> so, does pulse work with alsa, or does it not need alsa?
[02:37] <prometheus2> jaebird: you there?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> its a layer on top of alsa - i thought
[02:37] <nikrud> Dr_willis you've changed your mind?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> about what? :)
[02:38] <nikrud> about it being a layer on top of alsa ^^ ;p
[02:38] <Dr_willis> the only time im allowed to change my mind - is if the wife decides i need to...
[02:38] <Dr_willis> I dont recall ever saying myc of anything about pulse befor..
[02:38] <Dr_willis> ive not even used it, :)
[02:38] <Dr_willis> hardware -> kernel -> alsa -> pulse.
[02:39] <nikrud> Dr_willis nm, it was the juxtaposition of I thought and the beginning of your statement. A joke :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> the network sound feature DOES sound like a cool thing.
[02:39] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about Layers. :) Linux is like an Onion..
[02:39] <Dr_willis> Only its more like a cake.
[02:39] <nikrud> yup. Makes you cry when you try to peel them back too :)
[02:40] <DanaG> You can even duplicate audio over the network, but it doesn't sound quite as good (the sync gets off, and then it speeds up or slows down some things to resync).
[02:40] <slavik> RAOF: what about libglew1.5-dev, could that help?
[02:40] <leo_rockw> i have an ati x1400 mobility graphics card and the fglrx drivers. when i close my laptop's lid everything freezes, anyone experiencing anything like it?
[02:40] <nikrud> DanaG sounds like you could do some good effects if you played with that
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Reruning some wires here.. one machine does not seem to be enabling gigibit. If i have 2network cables  conected with an 'adaptor' to make them into 1 longer cable.. might that mess up the gigibit speeds?
[02:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, put a bunch of computers around the room, and move things around to creep people out.
[02:41] <slavik> nikrud: but what purpose does PulseAudio serve? shouldn't everything use gstreamer?
[02:42] <DanaG> gstreamer is an audio/video decoder.  Different type of product.
[02:42] <slavik> then ALSA ...
[02:42] <nikrud> slavik as I understand it, gstreamer used to go directly to alsa, now pulseaudio sits inbetween
[02:43] <slavik> nikrud: but what is it's use?
[02:44] <nikrud> slavik I only know about it by osmosis, and educated guesses. Haven't really investigated. Ask DanaG , he seems to have played with it a lot more than I have
[02:46] <nikrud> slavik but as a guess, it allows you to manipulate the sound before it gets to alsa. Like send it to alsa on different machines, or mix in sources other than gstreamer
[02:46] <DanaG> If you don't use multiple audio devices, or don't want the network features, then it really isn't all that useful.  It can do per-application volume control, but the UI to do anything with PulseAudio is not installed by default.
[02:50] <nikrud> one of the first things I did was install that ui, but I haven't done anything with it yet. the per app sound is something I want to play with. Have my music loud, but not the sound on channel highlight.
[02:58] <DanaG> I have system audio go to my onboard speakers, and music go to my offboard surround speakers (though PulseAudio won't do surround without some manual command line).
[03:05] <DanaG> Odd... gparted won't let me resize one of my partitions.
[03:07] <JohnPhy1> DanaG  which one?
[03:07] <JohnPhy1> DanaG  I guess I mean to ask, what fs type
[03:08] <DanaG> NTFS.
[03:08] <DanaG> A Vista one.
[03:08] <DanaG> I can write to it with ntfs-3g, so it's not 'dirty'.
[03:08] <DanaG> I mean, it's not unsafely unmounted.
[03:08] <DanaG> gparted says something about "unable to read contents"
[03:09] <JohnPhy1> aha
[03:09] <JohnPhy1> yeah
[03:09] <JohnPhy1> I think I've run into that
[03:09] <JohnPhy1> I *think* you need ntfsprogs installed, and then gparted will be all happy
[03:10] <JohnPhy1> interestingly enough, gparted can read/resize ntfs parts on the the feisty live cd, but not the gutsy one
[03:10] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  and you *may* need to run ntfsfix after resizing
[03:13] <icesword> !lol
[03:13] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[03:14] <hydrogen> ~rofl
[03:14] <nikrud> lol > icesword :)
[03:14] <hydrogen> !roflmaololoal
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about roflmaololoal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <icesword> hehehe
[03:14] <icesword> nikrud, welcome back
[03:14] <nikrud> icesword good to see you
[03:15] <icesword> nikrud, it is sunday in there,right ,first day of a week
[03:15] <nikrud> icesword yep. Last day of the week for me
[03:17] <DanaG> Heh, I've installed OS X on this machine, and I still humongously prefer Ubuntu.
[03:18] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  were you able to resize that ntfs part?
[03:18] <Yahooadam> dont blame you :p
[03:18] <DanaG> Nope, gparted wouldn't let me resize it.
[03:18] <Yahooadam> you would need partition magic or something that can resize ntfs
[03:18] <leo_rockw> DanaG: and the best part is that ubuntu is mostly free
[03:18] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  did you try installing ntfsprogs ?
[03:19] <DanaG> (oh yeah, I left the room by alt-sysrq-k'ing Xorg, since something had suddenly devoured all my memory.
[03:19] <DanaG> Another random note: I still want the Aurora appearance!
[03:19] <Yahooadam> isnt OSX sort of free?
[03:19] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[03:19] <JohnPhy1> Yahooadam:  I've resized many an ntfs partition from within Gparted, successfully, so partition magic is not required.
[03:19] <leo_rockw> Yahooadam: ubuntu is freer
[03:19] <DanaG> Not free as in either beer or speech.
[03:19] <cyclonut> beer. good idea.
[03:19] <leo_rockw> DanaG: it's based off bsd, which has an apache licence
[03:22] <leo_rockw> so, i found a solution to the closed lid problem... don't close the lid!
[03:22] <JohnPhy1> leo_rockw:  we need to get that into the repos right away!
[03:22] <JohnPhy1> :)
[03:23] <leo_rockw> JohnPhy1: ;-) it's just that i have been stfw for hours and i can't find anything that works. but i'll keep on trying.
[03:25] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  that is a nice gtk theme, I think a bit better than human-murrine.  and I think gparted needs ntfsprogs installed to be able to do things with ntfs partitions, rather than ntfs-3g.
[03:25] <DanaG> Aah, I didn't have that installed.  Thanks.
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh, a variant of my theme:
[03:25] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[03:28] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  Word of caution though:  After I used a livecd (I think edgy, maybe feisty) to resize my vista part on a brand new laptop ~1 yr ago, vista would not boot (it was *way* unhappy) by any means (regular, safe mode, recovery, recovery disks, etc.).  running ntfsfix on the partition corrected this, and then vista booted right up.  And that is also a nice variant!
[03:28] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  I'll mention that this issue did not occur with WinXP partitions.
[03:28] <DanaG> That's using Fedora's "nodoka" engine, which the creator of Murrine calls a ripoff of his engine.
[03:29] <DanaG> But if the appearance can be replicated with Murrine, then that'd be good.
[03:29] <Dr_willis> i wonder why when i add my laser printer - it alwsy defaults to 300dpi. even tho the printer can do 600dpi. Its not like im gaining anything by it defaultingto the lower setting.. (less toner? i dont thinkso)
[03:30] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  there are some similarities between the two, but enough differences as well.  I also see you use tex!  awesome!  What editor do you use?
[03:30] <DanaG> Oh, SCIM has a Latex table.
[03:30] <DanaG> It lets you hit backslash to get nifty symbols.
[03:30] <DanaG> r∠θ
[03:31] <DanaG> Like that.
[03:31] <JohnPhy1> ......that definitely rules
[03:31] <RoAkSoAx> hello, does anyone of you had a problem with ip2200 in hardy alpha??
[03:31] <jprada> hi there, i just installed ubuntu 8.04 beta, and now im copying some files from a cd to my home folder and everything seems to be set only to access files so i have to change everything to get writing and deleting options
[03:32] <jprada> does anybody know why is that happening?
[03:32] <jprada> it seems like the whole CD get mounted as root
[03:32] <wastrel> hi
[03:33] <RoAkSoAx> hello, does anyone of you had a problem with ip2200 in hardy alpha??
[03:33] <humitos> leo_rockw: what's going on?
[03:34] <JohnPhy1> DanaG: Can you point me somewhere so I can set that up?
[03:34] <leo_rockw> humitos: nm, fighting with my laptop lid... so far the lid is winning
[03:34] <JohnPhy1> RoAkSoAx:  Unfortunately, I don't have that chipset.
[03:34] <DanaG> package: scim-tables-additional
[03:34] <JohnPhy1> DanaG:  it's installed
[03:35] <jprada> is that a bug or is that the way it is suppose to work?
[03:35] <DanaG> I don't remember how to turn on SCIM by default.  Also, be aware that the default bindings are very stupid: shift-space to toggle.
[03:36] <DanaG> The table itself is under "Other"
[03:36] <JohnPhy1> right, I can see that table there, gotta be smarter than the ui now....
[03:38] <Solarion> is there a firefox2 package?
[03:39] <Solarion> turbotax requires ff2
[03:39] <Solarion> stupid turbotax
[03:39] <ysth1> Solarion: did you check?
[03:39] <Solarion> ysth1: I can't find it
[03:39] <Solarion> hmm
[03:39] <ysth1> it's firefox-2
[03:40] <Solarion> how about firefox-2 ftw
[03:40] <Solarion> and Solarion ftl
[03:40] <Solarion> you win again, Murphy
[03:41] <JohnPhy1> Solarion:  TurboTax tip:  If you have insurance through State Farm, log in to the state farm site and follow the link for free turbotax!
[03:41] <DanaG> http://forums.wincustomize.com/164268 -- a theme called Solarion
[03:41] <jprada> has anybody experienced this problem about permissions ??
[03:42] <Solarion> jprada: what permissions?
[03:42] <Solarion> DanaG: yeah, people like my nick
[03:42] <Solarion> wasn't in use so much back in the '99 timeframe, iirc
[03:43] <DanaG> I saw that theme and thought of when I'd used CDE on some lab thin-clients at school.
[03:43] <Solarion> 'course the two are probably totally separate, but one makes me feel good and it's no difference one way or the otehr.  ;)
[03:43] <DanaG> They also had freakishly-old versions of Mozilla.
[03:43] <mcquaid_> my buddy gave me his old radeon 9000.  i put it in an old box thats for mythtv.  it's using the xorg driver.
[03:43] <DanaG> And they used CDE by default.  Luckily, I haven't used that specific lab since then.
[03:43] <Volkodav> when pidgin 2.4.0 will be in repos?
[03:43] <jprada> Solarion: i inserted a CD with some files i copied from an ubuntu 7.10 installation, and now im copying those files back to my home dir in beta, but i get wrong permissions as i only get Access permisions instead of writing and delete as would be the usual
[03:43] <mcquaid_> i'm having some issues and wanted to try the fglrx driver.  however it's not listed in latest in reps
[03:44] <Volkodav> anybody runs deluge?
[03:44] <Solarion> jprada: want the gui or command-line version?
[03:44] <jprada> Solarion: im using nautilus to copy the files, i havent tried using cli
[03:45] <Solarion> jprada: I mean of changing permissions
[03:45] <Solarion> jprada: are you doing it as regular user or root?
[03:45] <Solarion> make sure the ownership isn't being kept
[03:45] <jprada> as a regular user
[03:45] <Solarion> right
[03:45] <Solarion> jprada: so you want the gui or cli way of fixing permissions?
[03:46] <jprada> Solarion: the thing is CD seems to be owned by Root
[03:46] <jprada> Solarion: oh.. i know how to change permissions, i just want to know why are things behaving like that
[03:46] <Solarion> jprada: mainitaining permissions would be my guess, or else umask
[03:47] <DanaG> Heh, "Cabin fever" one is funny:  http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?aid=305000
[03:47] <jprada> Solarion: the files in the cd are owned by root, when i copy them they are owned by the user (me) but only with access permission
[03:47] <Solarion> jprada: sorry, forgot this was #ubuntu+1 not #ubuntuu.  ;)
[03:48] <jprada> its ok ;)
[03:48] <Solarion> jprada: I'd guess that nautilus is tryign t maintain permissions
[03:49] <Solarion> jprada: the guaranteed way to find out would be #nautilus on irc.gnome.org
[03:49] <Solarion> they mmight know a thing or two about nautilus there.  ;)
[03:49] <sean_> My gnome theme isn't running correctly. Just upgraded. Is this a common bug?
[03:51] <jprada> Solarion: well i dont think its a nautilus issue, as i just tried using terminal and cp to copy the files and things behave the same
[03:52] <jprada> can anyone try that and see if things behave the same way to you?
[03:52] <Solarion> try which?
[03:53] <leo_rockw> does anyone know why moodin isn't included in hardy repos?
[03:53] <leo_rockw> wait, nv
[03:53] <leo_rockw> nvm*
[03:54] <jprada> Solarion: well copying files from a cd and see if permissions are not set as they should
[03:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, about that partition resizing: I think I'll wait until I've backed it up on a new hard drive I'll get some time this week.
[03:54] <Solarion> jprada: no CD drive, sorry
[03:54] <jprada> :(
[03:55] <jprada> anyone?
[03:55] <jprada> :D
[03:55] <Solarion> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 701744 2008-03-07 04:27 /bin/bash
[03:55] <Solarion> -rwxr-xr-x 1 solarion solarion 701744 2008-03-23 22:54 bash
[03:55] <Solarion> jprada: what does 'umask' give you?
[03:56] <Randuni> when I boot the beta cd and select the option "try kubuntu without altering your system"..I just get dumped to: Busybox v1.1.3 (initramfs) _
[03:56] <jprada> how do i use umask?...just 'umask' ?
[03:56] <jprada> Solarion: or is there some parameter ?
[03:57] <jprada> Solarion: umask-> 0022
[03:57] <Randuni> has anyone here booted Kubuntu 8.04 beta yet?
[03:57] <Solarion> jprada: what perms do the files have before and after cp?
[04:01] <DanaG> wtf?  pulseaudio dies when I move away from my manually-created sink.
[04:01] <jprada> Solarion: in the CD i get no perms it is owned by root, after copying and checking the files in my home dir i get only Access but no write perm
[04:02] <DanaG> Oh, and it was a segfault in pulseaudio!
[04:02] <Solarion> jprada: choose a file that is giving you problems.  1) run ls -la <file> 2) run ls -la <file copy>
[04:02] <Solarion> jprada: post results
[04:05] <jprada> Solarion: 1) ls -la <files> -> http://pastebin.com/m60b99cde
[04:05] <jprada> Solarion: 2)ls -la <copy-files> ->http://pastebin.com/m43575710
[04:08] <DanaG> What would make pulseaudio segfault when I try to move a stream away from a surround51 device (which, by the way, is NOT used automatically)?   I've tried to backtrace it in GDB, but get no symbols or line numbers.
[04:09] <jprada> pulseaudio is the answer to a question that nobody asked ¬¬
[04:09] <DanaG> All I get is this:
[04:10] <DanaG> #0  0xb7808a48 in ?? ()
[04:10] <DanaG> #1  0x0806eac8 in ?? ()
[04:10] <DanaG> and so on.
[04:10] <jprada> i used fedora 8 for a few months and pulseaudio only gives problems
[04:12] <jprada> Solarion: so did you see something weird on the permissions?
[04:15] <jprada> ok it only happens from the CD as i tried copying from a memory stick and things work fine
[04:16] <jprada> and only happens when copying to any place under /home as i copied from the CD to the memory stick and things worked fine
[04:17] <Volkodav> when the pidgin 2.4.0 will be in the repos
[04:17] <jprada> oh... no sorry... it didnt work either when copying to the memory stick
[04:18] <jprada> Volkodav: is 2.4.0 stable enough? i tried it and i has lots of bugs
[04:18] <Volkodav> did not see any and it is stable
[04:19] <os2mac> Is there anyway to get the default theme in firefox? I rather like it.
[04:19] <jprada> Volkodav: well when i tried it it just kept logging out of my accounts after 10 or so minutes of using it
[04:19] <Solarion> jprada: cp perserves permissions: -r--r--r-- 1 solarion solarion 0 2008-03-23 23:19 foo
[04:19] <Solarion> -r--r--r-- 1 solarion solarion 0 2008-03-23 23:19 bar
[04:20] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg00757.html
[04:20] <DanaG> wow, not documented!
[04:20] <Solarion> bar is a copy of foo.  Your files don't have u+w permission, so the copy doesn't either.
[04:20] <jprada> Solarion: i didnt have that problem un 7.10
[04:22] <jprada> i mean it should be that way.. i copied those files directly from my /home to the cd, and now back i didnt changed anything to get perms wrong
[04:27] <DanaG> wtf?  I can't right-click the padevchooser thingy!
[04:29] <DanaG> Oh, and add-autoload-sink doesn't seem to work.
[04:32] <Syko> whatup y'all?
[04:33] <Volkodav> anybody installed opera 64?
[04:33] <jprada> onether thing, while copying the directory i get has the right permissions it should have (create and delete files) but when it finishes copying it sets it to only Access
[04:38] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/235
[04:39] <tmh__> am I the only one who lost sound capabilities in hardy a few days a go?
[04:39] <Polygon89_> Is there a wiki page or some other piece of information for figuring out why my sound isnt working in hardy beta 1? it worked in gutsy and it appears to detect my sound but i still get no sound when i configure it in 'sound' and set it as default
[04:39] <tmh__> seems like an epidemic
[04:39] <HardyOne> tmh__, I did also
[04:39] <Polygon89_> i just installed it so i have no idea
[04:40] <mcquaid__> what's the name of that meta pkg that gives you the basics for compiling (gives you make etc)
[04:40] <tmh__> mcquaid__: build-essential
[04:40] <Polygon89_> build-essential?
[04:40] <mcquaid__> thx
[04:40] <HardyOne> yes
[04:40] <tmh__> has anyone debugged the sound problem?
[04:40] <Polygon89_> how exactly do you debug it
[04:40] <Polygon89_> ill try..
[04:40] <mcquaid__> tmh__, isn't build-essential only for making debs?
[04:40] <tmh__> I can't seem to find any info on what's the problem or where, but it seems to run as deep as ALSA
[04:40] <HardyOne> mcquaid__, no
[04:40] <Polygon89_> build essential is for compiling programs
[04:40] <tmh__> mcquaid__: nope, that's for all compiling
[04:40] <mcquaid__> k thx
[04:40] <Polygon89_> debs requires some other packages
[04:41] <Polygon89_> fakeroot, dpkg-build package all that fun stuff
[04:41] <tmh__> even if I uninstalled X and pulseaudio, even mpg123 doesn't play stuff through OSS
[04:41] <Polygon89_> a lot of programs are preconfigured to use pulseaudio now
[04:41] <tmh__> so I'm guessing it's an alsa problem. this is probably asked a lot, so why isn't this in the topic?
[04:42] <tmh__> I only use my linux box for shareing and listening music, so it's kind of ironic that doesn't work
[04:42] <Polygon89_> ive googled for an hour but ive only found topics on when the sound card isnt even detected in stuff like .system>prefs>sound...and mine is so i dunno
[04:42] <tmh__> yeah, same here, I have no idea where to look. ALSA seems ok, mixer's unmuted etc,. the card's found
[04:43] <tmh__> I did get some funny gstreamer error at times as well, but I'm really guessing that's just a byproduct
[04:43] <tmh__> and none of the players even give any errors!! they just pretend they're happily playing but nothing comes from the speakers
[04:43] <Syko> reinstall ALSA, worked for me
[04:43] <tmh__> what packages?
[04:43] <Polygon89_> its a pulseaudio problem i think...
[04:43] <Syko> also: blacklisted my other sound cards
[04:43] <Polygon89_> cause i just tried in system>prefs>sound
[04:43] <Polygon89_> and everything but pulseaudio gives errors
[04:44] <TCMC2010> people, I see new ubuntu 8.04 has a 2.6.24 kernel, Will be possible to boot the iso inside a paravirtualized domU virtual machine to install ubuntu ?! where is the .config file for de kernel on boot CD ?
[04:44] <tmh__> well, I've uninstalled alsa and pulseaudio and reinstalled and neither seemed to work
[04:44] <tmh__> Syko: you mean you did this right now with 8.08, after the sound breakage a few days ago?
[04:45] <tmh__> argh, how do I reinstall with apt-get or aptitude?
[04:45] <Syko> tmh__: sorry If i was misleading, this happened to me going from 7.04 to 7.10.  but it sounds like the exact same problem
[04:45] <koko775> hello
[04:46] <koko775> i'm having problems with metacity in a fresh install
[04:46] <Polygon89_> well the fact that the sound server got completely changed is most likely why sound isnt working
[04:46] <koko775> it keeps on crashing
[04:46] <Polygon89_> run it from terminal and see if it spits out an error
[04:46] <Polygon89_> then google it
[04:46] <koko775> tried it
[04:46] <koko775> nothing
[04:46] <tmh__> Polygon89_: yeah it just seems odd because I couldn't get it working even uninstalling all sound software
[04:46] <koko775> just a sec while i get the error
[04:47] <koko775> "Bug in window manager: Unexpected X error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) serial 98 error_code 2 request_code 101 minor_code 0)
[04:47] <DanaG> Okay.... apparently my Audigy2 can't do 24-bit surround!
[04:47] <DanaG> WTF?
[04:48] <koko775> odd how there's a mismatched parantheses, but anyhow
[04:48] <Polygon89_> DanaG, the drivers for creative cards most likely just suck in linux thats all.
[04:48] <Syko>  /nods
[04:48] <TCMC2010> I want to boot new ubuntu-8.04-server-amd64.iso inside a paravirtualized (PVM) XEN domU virtual michine, any one know if the kernel do this iso will be xen domU support enabled ?!
[04:48] <tmh__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:49] <leo_rockw> DanaG: my audigy 2 couldn't do 6.1 (according to XP)
[04:49] <koko775> google hasn't turned anything up, can anyone suggest a fix or a stopgap measure
[04:49] <koko775> please?
[04:50] <Polygon89_> *shrugs* might want to try reinstalling metacity if you can, or maybe report a bug
[04:51] <koko775> well
[04:51] <koko775> i'm only going to be using the GUI for a week until I go back up 400 miles away, and accessing it by SSH
[04:51] <koko775> so reporting a bug probably won't get it solved in time
[04:52] <Polygon89_> try reinstalling metacity
[04:52] <Polygon89_> looks like it got corrupted or something
[04:52] <koko775> i'll try reinstalling metacity but i dunno if that'll work
[04:52] <TCMC2010> :(
[04:52] <Polygon89_> since its like segfaulting
[04:52] <Polygon89_> TCMC2010, i have no idea what your talking about so im not answering :D
[04:52] <koko775> segfaulting?
[04:52] <koko775> it says it's core dumping
[04:52] <Angela_Smith> hi, anyone know if the 64bit 8.04 has the wubi installer? TIA :D
[04:53] <Polygon89_> crashing
[04:53] <tmh__> what soundcards do you have? Polygon89_ ?
[04:53] <Polygon89_> lol
[04:53] <TCMC2010> Polygon89_,  where is a discussion on ubuntu + XEN ?
[04:53] <Polygon89_> TCMC2010, no idea....
[04:53] <tmh__> HardyOne: ?
[04:53] <Polygon89_> tmh__, its a usb headset
[04:53] <tmh__> what's that?
[04:53] <tmh__> is it a soundcard?
[04:53] <koko775> Polygon: he's asking if he can virtualize the latest ubuntu in xen, and tmc: i would think...not yet
[04:53] <DanaG> How can I get PulseAudio to automatically use surround, then?
[04:54] <Polygon89_> DanaG, it would most likely be a channel that you can select
[04:54] <DanaG> What do you mean?
[04:54] <koko775> reinstallation failed
[04:54] <DanaG> The card seems to be refusing PulseAudio's attempts to use surround.
[04:54] <koko775> is it possible to use some other window manager inside gnome instead?
[04:55] <tmh__> koko775: compiz?
[04:55] <tmh__> the special effects WM
[04:55] <koko775> tmh__: gfx card
[04:55] <koko775> and you're thinking of emerald
[04:55] <koko775> i tried installing xfwm4 and putting exec xfwm4 in my .xinitrc, but that didn't start
[04:55] <Polygon89_> DanaG, its most likely cuase the driver for creative sound cards have notoriously been incomplete except for basic sound
[04:55] <koko775> i've only tinkered with linux so i'm no expert
[04:55] <Polygon89_> DanaG, i had a sound blaster live 24 bit and it supposed a bunch of things in windows that 'didnt exist' in linux cuase the drivers had to be reverse engineered
[04:56] <koko775> but putting exec xfwm4 in .xinitrc should've done the trick no?
[04:56] <Polygon89_> DanaG, so try googling or search the forums for your card and if it works in ubuntu to see if anyone else has got it working
[04:56] <DanaG> Odd: if I load upmix devices for 4, 5, and 6 channels, and then play to all through "combine" sink, I get out-of-phase effects.
[04:57] <HardyOne> tmh__, ??
[04:58] <HardyOne>  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:58] <tmh__> HardyOne: what sound card do you have?
[04:58] <HardyOne> ^^
[04:58] <tmh__> same here
[04:58] <TCMC2010> I found #ubuntu-xen ! by!
[04:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Hardy doesnt add user to scanner and saned group by default
[04:58] <Polygon89_> it just labels mine as 'headset'
[04:58] <koko775> thanks for attempting to help
[04:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anyone is aware of that?
[04:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !sane
[04:59] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the GIMP (GNOME), Kooka (KDE). For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[05:00] <Polygon89_> interestering, if you install pavucontrol you can see pulse audio working...but not working
[05:01] <evand> Angela_Smith: yes, it does.  It's on all the Ubuntu and Kubuntu beta CDs.
[05:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nevermind, bug 121082
[05:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121082 in sane-backends "permission problems for sane devices" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121082
[05:02] <DanaG> Oh yeah, why does "add-autoload-module" not make modules load when the corresponding devices appear?
[05:07] <DanaG> Is there a way to make PulseAudio just re-evaluate its config file on hotplug, instead of using the hal module?
[05:08] <DanaG> The hal module sucks at using surround and at not using multiple mappings (i.e. front AND surround) on the same device with 'combine'.
[05:14] <Solarion> window 1
[05:15] <TuTUXG_> anyone has tried aircrack with intel nic?
[05:25] <fr500> will GNS3 and newer dynamips hit hardy?
[05:29] <leo_rockw> what could be a reason that 90% of my games are segfaulting after updating to hardy?
[05:29] <Syko> ATI?
[05:30] <leo_rockw> Syko: that's the answer i was expecting... and i hate you for that, haha
[05:30] <Syko> sadly I run ATI =/
[05:30] <Syko> I know all too well
[05:30] <leo_rockw> Syko: i still can't close the lid of my laptop w/ breaking everything
[05:31] <leo_rockw> w/o*
[05:31]  * leo_rockw sighs...
[05:31] <Syko> wtf?
[05:31] <leo_rockw> when i open the lid the screen stays black
[05:31] <leo_rockw> like, the backlight turns back on, but there's nothing on the screen
[05:32] <leo_rockw> i believe even switching to the terminals breaks everything
[05:32] <leo_rockw> but i don't want to test that again right now
[05:32] <Syko> sounds pretty messed up
[05:32] <leo_rockw> yeah... i wish AMD was reading this. we need better drivers
[05:33] <DanaG> Argh, I got a random hard-lockup.
[05:33] <DanaG> It's really frickin' irritating.
[05:35] <Syko> as long as my MP3s work after the update, i'll be ok
[05:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/160753
[05:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160753 in linux "Random complete lockups related to bad page states" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:39] <TuTUXG__> that's ugly
[05:39] <DanaG> I'm not even running tracker; I'm just playing music from an ntfs partition.
[05:48] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=724932&page=2
[05:48] <DanaG> Something about the lockups.
[05:53] <os2mac> does anyone know how to get the new default skin back on FF 3 beta?
[05:54] <TuTUXG__> new default skin?
[05:55] <os2mac> if you go look at the FF beta 4 on other operating systems they have changed the default skin. on Ubuntu its the same old skin... I rather like the new one and want it back.
[05:56] <TuTUXG__> os2mac, u probably need to dl it from mozilla
[06:01] <DanaG> I think the Windows and OS X skins have been beatin with the 'fugly' stick.
[06:06] <os2mac> DanaG: you don't like the one button approach?
[06:06] <DanaG> One button?
[06:07] <DanaG> Well, the button doesn't even fit in with my Windowblinds theme.
[06:07] <DanaG> buttons, plural.
[06:07] <os2mac> that's the new "thing about it"
[06:07] <DanaG> And the small icons don't sit adjacent to each other.
[06:07] <DanaG> Check "small icons" and look how fugly it is.
[06:08] <DanaG> For example, look at that, combined with this theme:  http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1
[06:09] <DanaG> It clashes quite horribly.  In fact, the Vista version doesn't even match Vista's own button style.
[06:09] <DanaG> And imagine having a big ugly green 'bulge' in that nice theme there.
[06:12] <timboy> hey anyone else noticing some compiz slowdowns? when i run compiz after upgrading from gutsy it seems a lot laggier... also getting this when I run compiz --replace /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: Unable to parse XML metadata from file "ccp.xml"
[06:24] <timboy> anyone?
[06:26] <tsukasa> my tab auto-completion doesnt work for commands when preceded by sudo - anyone know how to fix this?
[06:28] <timboy> tsukasa, use sudo su then run the commands ;P
[06:28] <tsukasa> timboy, =P
[06:28] <tritium> timboy: no, don't recommend sudo su please.  sudo -i is preferable
[06:28] <tsukasa> timboy, it worked fine it gutsy
[06:28] <tsukasa> s/it/in
[06:29] <timboy> tsukasa, sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[06:29] <DanaG> I prefer sudo -i, but what does 'sudo su' do differently?
[06:30] <tsukasa> timboy, doesnt fix the problem
[06:30] <tsukasa> timboy, oh wait let me restart bash
[06:30] <tsukasa> okay, nvm
[06:30] <tsukasa> timboy, thanks
[06:31] <bazhang> heh
[06:31] <timboy> np tsukasa
[06:31] <tsukasa> timboy, why isnt bash-completion installed by default o_0
[06:32] <timboy> tsukasa, is for me... must have been an upgrade glitch... I think I'm going to have to reinstall my system compiz is dang slow after upgrade...
[06:32] <tsukasa> timboy, thing is, i didnt upgrade, i did a fresh install
[06:32] <timboy> huh... beta?
[06:32] <tsukasa> yeah
[06:33] <timboy> that's interesting... i'll have to check it out
[06:33] <tsukasa> i couldnt imagine them taking it out intentionally given its 24kb for immense usability
[06:34] <timboy> lol no
[06:34] <DarphBobo> same for me, fresh install of beta
[06:34] <timboy> tsukasa, should file a bug or see if someone has filed one
[06:35] <tsukasa> timboy, i guess so lol. let me check
[06:37] <tsukasa> timboy, apparently it was fixed 4 days ago
[06:38] <timboy> nice
[06:43] <bazhang> sudo tab-completion works fine here in Hardy no extra installs
[06:45] <Drizzt321> I'm trying to get the media hotkeys to operate xmms2, I have them set to the correct values in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, but except for volume (which operates the system sound app, not xmms2's sound), none of the buttons cause anything to happen. What am I missing?
[06:47] <freddo> hello
[06:48] <freddo> what's the version of perl that comes with 8.04?
[06:48] <freddo> 5.8.x or 5.10?
[06:48] <bazhang> 5.8.8
[06:49] <tritium> !info perl hardy
[06:49] <ubotu> perl (source: perl): Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language. In component main, is standard. Version 5.8.8-12 (hardy), package size 3303 kB, installed size 11440 kB
[06:49] <bazhang> freddo: you can /msg ubotu info packagename hardy for others
[06:49] <freddo> bazhang, ok thanks, is there a way to install 5.10 or does it wreck the whole thing? i heard that on debian it was a no-no...
[06:50] <freddo> bazhang, thanks again for the bot, i should come here more often ;-)
[06:51] <bazhang> freddo: not sure about that; I just know how to /msg the bot ;]
[06:51] <freddo> hehe oki
[06:54] <ysth1> freddo: build it yourself, and install in /usr/local ?
[06:54] <freddo> i downloaded 8.04 yesterday (via bittorrent, because all the mirror are lagging), but i haven't found the time to install it yet... I was hoping for perl 5.10 to make it in :-(
[06:54] <ysth1> fedora's going to have 5.10, but I think it's a little premature
[06:55] <freddo> ysth1, yeah, i've already done that on 7.10 -- i was just hoping that it would be ready for 8.04
[06:55] <freddo> ysth1, i've installed half of cpan, and it doesn't wreck anything
[06:56] <ysth1> there's one major problem (some things being much slower than 5.8.8).
[06:56] <freddo> really?
[06:56] <freddo> i mostly though it was faster?
[06:57] <ysth1> and one of the new features brought in from perl 6 had some design divergence (that is, they changed things substantially in the perl 6 feature, but not in 5.10) that will be corrected in 5.10.1, soon I hope
[06:58] <Drizzt321> I'm trying to get the media hotkeys to operate xmms2, I have them set to the correct values in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, but except for volume (which operates the system sound app, not xmms2's sound), none of the buttons cause anything to happen. What am I missing?
[06:59] <ysth1> it may be faster overall.  the patch is http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse/p/32891 if you want to put in in your 5.10
[07:00] <ysth1> (it will be in Fedora 9's 5.10)
[07:00] <fr500> hello
[07:00] <fr500> how can i enable nvidia binary drivers on hardy?
[07:00] <freddo> even if i compare a simple loop with some math operations in it right now, i've got 2.008 sec (for 5.8) and 1.773 (for 5.10)
[07:00] <freddo> i know i submit patches to 5.10
[07:01] <ysth1> are they built with substantially the same options?
[07:01] <ysth1> there was a ton of work to make structures smaller and more efficient
[07:02] <freddo> nope... well i don't know... :-( i generally compile it with -O3 and with various changes i do on the assembly output
[07:04] <freddo> ysth1, there wasn't so much rework on the pmc, if that's what you are talking about?
[07:04] <ysth1> you can get a big difference if the usemultiplicity option is on (and it's turned on by usethreads, which is in the dpkg'd perl)
[07:05] <ysth1> pmc's are perl 6, not perl 5.
[07:05] <freddo> ow sorry
[07:05] <ysth1> "changes you do on the assembly output"?
[07:05] <ysth1> .oO(have I wandered into #gentoo??)
[07:05] <ysth1> :)
[07:06] <freddo> yeah i use perl to pare the assembly files and i just remove "uninterresting" instructions, i can remove around 20% of gcc output
[07:07] <freddo> s/pare/parse/
[07:07] <freddo> (in good cases, sometimes more than 20%, more often less)
[07:10] <freddo> like who cares about esp being saved of esp at the start of every function? you just need to reindex esp (or another register for that matter), and you save some bytes
[07:10] <Ibback> Hi all. Has any1 installed hardy already/. How is it?
[07:10] <fromport> beta :-)
[07:11] <ysth1> I would assume everyone in this channel except you has installed hardy, lbback
[07:11] <freddo> s/saved of esp/saved of ebp/
[07:11] <Lynoure> Ibback: many have... it's pretty much as expected :)
[07:11] <Ibback> ic
[07:11] <Ibback> Yes, i m downloading it right now. Actually i upgraded last night but it doesn't upgrade wll
[07:12] <Lynoure> alpha was to me a pretty nice alpha... beta... too early to tell.
[07:12] <Ibback> Does it handled faxing well?
[07:12] <bazhang> its a biiig dist-upgrade ;]
[07:12] <Lynoure> Ibback: no landline here, haven't tried
[07:15] <Ibback> I intend to installed vmware immediately after installing hardy. Can i set up vmware to detect my xp which i previously installed in another partition..does any1 know?
[07:16] <Lynoure> You could ask the vmware support... they'll know.
[07:18] <Ibback> I came to know that it is wise to create a separate partition for home ...may i know how to do that when i install hardy after my download finish pls?
[07:19] <Ibback> And do i actually need swap partition or not?
[07:20] <parixa> since yestreday I get this error : "You have 7 broken packages" when I and installing updates
[07:21] <parixa> all broken packages are CPP/GCC related
[07:21] <XceII> i did too, i went to synap and ran the fix broken filter under edit, worked
[07:21] <Lynoure> Ibback: If you have so much memory you'll never be short on memory, and really cannot afford to have swap on your disk, you can be without. In 99.9% cases you probably could use having spam :)
[07:22] <Lynoure> s/spam/swap/
[07:22] <Lynoure> My, that was a weird brainhickup
[07:23] <fr500> did you ppl get nvidia drivers working on hardy
[07:23] <fr500> they are giving me hardtime
[07:23] <Ibback> :) Lynoure
[07:24] <parixa> nvidia drivers worked out-of-box for me, except for one kernel upgrade
[07:25] <fr500> parixa: i broke stuff since i had envy
[07:25] <fr500> i don't know how to go back to "original"
[07:25] <Lynoure> Ibback: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome is a step-by-step for the home move
[07:25] <fr500> and then use restricted driver manager
[07:25] <Ibback> TQ lynoure
[07:27] <parixa> fr500: I guess will involde x.org config hacking.. I am not comfortanble with that, can't help.
[07:29] <fnordarius> high
[07:29] <fnordarius> i have a language-pack-de progel
[07:29] <parixa> Lynoure: the home resizing thing, does it workif I have only one partition? The resize option is grey out for me.
[07:30] <fnordarius> usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LCMESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo
[07:30] <fnordarius> witch is also in package language-oack-gnome.de
[07:37] <aet> is there a reason why 32 bit opengl applications dont seem to work on 64 bit 8.04 ?
[07:38] <aet> with LIBGL_DEBUG=1 set i get "libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)"
[07:39] <aet> and software rendering kicks in
[07:42] <aet> and i have ia32-libs installed
[07:42] <RAOF> aet: Do you have the relevant lib32gl stuff, or whatever?
[07:42] <RAOF> aet: I'd search for lib32, and see if anything jumps out at you.
[07:44] <aet> RAOF: /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 appears to come from ia32-libs
[07:45] <RAOF> Yes, but that's not what you're after, is it.
[07:46] <aet> RAOF: afaik, i only need libgl and driver module to run opengl programs
[07:46] <aet> /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[07:47] <RAOF> That's right.  But you'll want a 32bit driver module for your 32bit libgl.
[07:47] <RAOF> The 32bit libgl is hardly going to be able to load your 64bit driver module, is it (that's what the error is).
[07:47] <OmnipotentEntity> aet, do you have an nvidia card?
[07:48] <aet> RAOF: /usr/lib32/dri/i965_dri.so is in ia32-libs as well
[07:48] <RAOF> OmnipotentEntity: No, he doesn't.
[07:48] <aet> OmnipotentEntity: i965
[07:49] <OmnipotentEntity> oh hai thar, teach me to read.
[07:49] <RAOF> aet: Hm.  Try setting "export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/lib32/dri"
[07:50] <aet> RAOF: that appears to work :)
[07:50] <RAOF> aet:
[07:50] <cana> where i can get this version >
[07:51] <RAOF> aet: Right.  So, I'd file a bug against the ia32-libs.  I presume that the 32bit libgl should be looking in /usr/lib32/dri for it's modules.
[07:54] <aet> RAOF: ok
[07:54] <XceII> RAOF:  is flash broken? it only works for 10 minuits after boot, then stops.
[07:55] <RAOF> XceII: Dunno.  I use gnash.
[07:55] <XceII> of
[07:55] <XceII> oh
[07:57] <aet> i think theres something still wrong with this because couple wine games i tried crash immediately when trying to run
[07:57] <aet> and i think i965 driver should be capable of running these games
[08:02] <XceII> hh
[08:11] <oxigen> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', which is also in package language-pack-gnome-en
[08:11] <oxigen> :/
[08:11] <aet> RAOF: how do i make this change system-wide?
[08:12] <aet> or whats the proper fix for this
[08:14] <fromport> oxigen: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb
[08:14] <DanaG> oooh lar lar:  http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/fujitsu-announces-worlds-first-2-5-inch-320gb-disk-to-spin-at/
[08:14] <DanaG> 7200rpm.
[08:14] <oxigen> fromport: thanks! :)
[08:16] <aet> , RAOF_
[08:16] <bluecake> how to capture all the text displayed on terminal? as in the buffer. i use ssh, and want to capture all out put during that session
[08:18] <[mbm]> bluecake: depends on what you're trying to capture; many cases can be handled by piping a command to a file (or through tee), alternatively you can run everything through screen and use screen's builtin logging
[08:19] <KalEl> when i run the Hardware Testing application, it says "Detecting your network controller(s): Not found.", and probably related to this issue although internet is working fine, after a resume from suspend the lan connection totally stops responding
[08:19] <KalEl> is this a bug?
[08:19] <bluecake> [mbm], i ssh into a router, not ssh into linux box
[08:20] <[mbm]> bluecake: so run screen and then run ssh from within screen
[08:20] <bluecake> [mbm], look more like a application level trick. say konsole, have a way to save the buffer
[08:21] <fromport> bluecake: startup screen (after installing it) and have screen log all output to a logfile
[08:21] <bluecake> fromport, what's the screen option to log output?
[08:21] <fromport> mbm: you beat me to it ;-) sorry
[08:21] <richard__> ssh with nautilus, is anyone else having issues?
[08:22] <fromport> bluecake: man screen
[08:22] <bluecake> crap.... i have to run to other room to boot linux os.
[08:22] <richard__> :P
[08:22]  * bluecake man screen on google
[08:23] <fromport> google and grep are my friend ;-)
[08:23] <spaceaviator> My gdmsetup cant find the theme files after I click add even when the file is right there!
[08:24] <spaceaviator> any ideas?
[08:24] <Dr_willis> some themes are archived with extra cruft. You may need to extract it.
[08:24] <spaceaviator> Dr_willis, I checked that too
[08:24] <spaceaviator> its all fine
[08:24] <Dr_willis> try some other themes.. see if they work
[08:25] <Dr_willis> i tend to grab ones with that gnome-art program
[08:25] <spaceaviator> I trued 5 different themes
[08:25] <spaceaviator> all from gnome-look.org
[08:25] <Dr_willis> Try just drag/dropping it into the gdm config tool?
[08:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:25] <spaceaviator> doesnt work either
[08:25]  * Dr_willis is just guessing... assuming its not a pebkac problem.
[08:26] <Dr_willis> You are runnig the gdm config tool as root?
[08:26] <spaceaviator> ok that does work!
[08:27] <Dr_willis> what does?
[08:27] <spaceaviator> dragging and dropping
[08:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:27] <spaceaviator> but what about Add?
[08:27] <Dr_willis> drag it to the first tab... if i rember right.
[08:27] <spaceaviator> that cant find the file
[08:27] <Dr_willis> No idea on add... I just drag/dropped mine
[08:27] <spaceaviator> whats the pebkac problem?
[08:28] <Dr_willis> 'problem exists between keyboard and chair'        :P
[08:28] <spaceaviator> haha
[08:29] <Dr_willis> you noticed that the gnome-art tool dont work very well? it can download but not install the themes :( unless its beenfixed recently
[08:29] <spaceaviator> I use pekwm Dr_willis
[08:30] <Dr_willis> using jwm right now  on my ubuntu box.
[08:30] <spaceaviator> Dr_willis, I hate when things dont work! Why cant the ruddy thing find a file...
[08:33] <richard__> pekwm/jwm?
[08:33] <spaceaviator> richard__, ?
[08:33] <UbunLin> I am having a hell of a time getting compiz working in Hardy again. Anyone have any experience with integrated ati video in Hardy's beta?
[08:34] <Dr_willis> jwm = very tiny window manager.  i use it for VNC a lot
[08:34] <bluecake> [mbm], fromport , screen's log kicks ass
[08:34] <richard__> ah right
[08:34] <bluecake> [mbm], fromport , screen's log kicks ass!!! "ls -alhR / ", the log file is like 7MB rightnow haha!!!!!!!!
[08:35] <bluecake> looks like i don't need to set a buffer limit for screen
[08:35] <Dr_willis> set it to about 1gb bluecake
[08:35] <UbunLin> I am getting a GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap error that just will get fixed no matter what I do with the thing.
[08:38] <bluecake> Dr_willis, haha... ok, you know off hand, if screen will overwrite my current log? i think probably not. it say screenlog.0
[08:38] <bluecake> 15MB for that ls recursion =)
[08:38] <spaceaviator> what do I apt-get so that I have the option of 'Extract here' in the file menu?
[08:38] <UbunLin> Hm. Does anyone know if the GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap error in compiz is associated with recent updates to mesa?
[08:41] <max_demon> hello
[08:41] <max_demon> i need help
[08:41] <max_demon> regarding 8.04
[08:41] <max_demon> can neone help me?
[08:42] <UbunLin> max_demon: Wubi hasn't worked for me and I've tried it several times
[08:42] <spaceaviator> hardy is getting on my nerves...I am going back to gutsy
[08:42] <max_demon> i tried installing via Wubi
[08:42] <UbunLin> The errors are quite trying, but that is what we get with a beta
[08:42] <max_demon> but in the box where we have to select components
[08:42] <max_demon> of windows xp
[08:43] <max_demon> like firefox my docmunts
[08:43] <UbunLin> I think the thing that has me the most annoyed is the fact the ati driver on laptops was completely blacklisted for compiz.
[08:43] <max_demon> the Forword butten is greyed out
[08:43] <max_demon> help me
[08:43] <max_demon> ?
[08:43] <max_demon> hello?
[08:43] <max_demon> anyone?
[08:44] <UbunLin> max_demon: It is broken.
[08:44] <UbunLin> max_demon: I've yet to get it working myself.
[08:44] <max_demon> i've downloaded via torrents
[08:44] <max_demon> should i redownload it?
[08:45] <max_demon> ...
[08:45] <max_demon> ??
[08:45] <UbunLin> Didn't make a difference for me
[08:45] <max_demon> via FTP or other method
[08:45] <max_demon> ?
[08:45] <UbunLin> I downloaded it from the website
[08:46] <max_demon> ok
[08:46]  * ethana2 tries caps as backspace again....
[08:46] <max_demon> so i have to use windows xp machine?
[08:46] <ethana2> testinG
[08:46] <ethana2> DRAT
[08:46] <ethana2> still broken
[08:46] <max_demon> there is no other way to run?
[08:47] <max_demon> thanks anyways
[08:47] <max_demon> bye
[08:47] <Dr_willis> You could use vmware
[08:47] <Dr_willis> but he has no patience it seems. :)
[08:47]  * ethana2 goes to see if they've added the option correctly yet
[08:47] <UbunLin> Praise be to the Tux. Dr_willis has arrived.
[08:47] <bazhang> UbunLin: what is your question?
[08:47] <ethana2> fail
[08:47] <ethana2> *sigh*
[08:48] <Lynoure> I did not even realize what XP stuff he was wanting to run...
[08:48] <UbunLin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=733672 - The #1 of that post.
[08:48] <Dr_willis> I for one do not do 'wubi' support. :) heh heh.. i dread the idea of it being included officially on the install cd.
[08:49] <Dr_willis> I wonder if there will be a #ubuntu-wubi channel
[08:49] <UbunLin> Mesa's libraries are where they should be and everything is smooth, but compiz still errors out with that blasted error.
[08:49] <UbunLin> Dr_willis: The idea of Windows software gives me chills.
[08:49] <UbunLin> Debugging 3D in Linux is bad enough
[08:50] <Dr_willis> somthing else to add to the list of things i dont give 'support' for. :)
[08:50] <UbunLin> I read the thread about the blacklisting and I can understand the logic to a point, but I absolutely hate the idea of my working hardware being blacklisted along with great unwashed.
[08:50] <Lynoure> it's better to be a bit picky than burn out pointlessly
[08:51] <spaceaviator> UbunLin, what happened?
[08:51] <DanaG> Why not blacklist the bad by NAME?
[08:51] <UbunLin> Updated from Alpha 4 - 6 somewhere in there (I wasn't keeping track) to the Beta only to have the system break in 4 different ways.
[08:52] <spaceaviator> UbunLin, get back to Gutsy
[08:52] <UbunLin> Heck no :)
[08:53] <UbunLin> The new kernel is a godsend compared to the old.
[08:53] <UbunLin> I can give with a few glitches.
[08:53] <UbunLin> ;)
[08:53] <spaceaviator> UbunLin, You can have this new kernel on gutsy too =)
[08:54] <UbunLin> True enough, but from source kernels aren't something I like to toy with unless I am using a product like grsecurity or similar kernel patches.
[08:54] <spaceaviator> UbunLin, if you update gutsy the normal way you will have the same kernel
[08:54] <UbunLin> 2.6.24+ has been released as a kernel update to gutsy?
[08:54] <UbunLin> I wasn't aware of that.
[08:55] <UbunLin> I thought the new kernel was only supported in Hardy due to some changes in the way it handled some hardware
[08:56] <UbunLin> Anyway.. that is another discussion entirely. Did any of you have any ideas about that GLX_EXT error?
[09:08] <spaetz> darn, openoffice.org on PowerPC doesn't install on hardy as the dependencies are wrong..
[09:08] <spaetz> there's a mixture of 2.4 and 2.3.1 packages in the repository, it seems...
[09:09] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta schallstrom
[09:09] <schallstrom> bazhang: cool, thanks!
[09:10] <bazhang> no worries schallstrom ;]
[09:11] <Finnish> Helou
[09:11] <schallstrom> bazhang: did they change that? because until now I always found the beta and final releases under cdimages.ubuntu.com too?
[09:12] <artenius> hmm, I figure the best way I can help ubuntu and linux is to answer questions in help channels, should I consider beta testing hardy?
[09:12] <bazhang> schallstrom: well I think it is because it is still testing perhaps
[09:13] <schallstrom> bazhang: aren't beta rleases always for testing?
[09:13] <bazhang> artenius: seems pretty stable; I just watch this channel for activity and avoid the first update that breaks things
[09:13] <bazhang> and get the one that fixes them ;]
[09:13] <brazil> I just found a recommends on ubuntu-standard that's uninstallable (bug 205911), and I suspect this could be a release blocker - who should I poke?
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205911 in friendly-recovery "friendly-recover (ubuntu-standard) conflicts with upstart-compat-sysv (ubuntu-minimal)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205911
[09:13] <artenius> I have several extra boxes
[09:13] <bazhang> schallstrom: sure, or for people who like the x-games ;]
[09:14] <schallstrom> bazhang: hehe :) I'll go and try the beta now
[09:14] <kebinusan> is power management broken in the hardy beta? my monitor never goes to sleep it seems
[09:15] <bazhang> kebinusan: is this a fresh install or a dist-upgrade? my dist-upgrade is okay in that regard
[09:15] <kebinusan> dist-upgrade
[09:15] <bazhang> that is odd..
[09:18] <kebinusan> yeah, I'll fiddle with it a bit more see if I can figure it out
[09:27] <spaetz> ignore -channels #ubuntu+1 * JOINS PARTS QUITS
[09:27] <spaetz> oops
[09:27] <Dr_willis> spaetz,  :)
[09:27] <spaetz> note to self: put dash at beginning of commands :)
[09:27] <bazhang> haha
[09:29] <orvokki> !info nvidia-glx-new
[09:29] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15228 kB
[09:29] <bazhang> it rocks ;]
[09:29] <orvokki> At least nvidia-glx-new works better than nvidia-glx for me...
[09:35] <zniavre> !bugs
[09:35] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:35] <zniavre> thank you ubotu
[10:21] <LupoBluAlfa> hr4gfow
[10:26] <kjellviz> a little issue with hardy here, i get sound at logon, sound in wine/world of warcraft using ALSA, but no sound in Rhytmbox nor on strems in Firefox/Epiphany
[10:26] <kjellviz> my comp is a laptop with both internal soundcard and a external USB soundcard, i wish to use the internal
[10:34] <nox-Hand> Greetings!
[10:35] <nox-Hand> I was merely curious as to how big, if there still are any, down sides are for running the 64 bit version of Ubuntu now?
[10:35] <nox-Hand> Remember a good few releases back there were issues such as flash, etc
[10:37] <pvandewyngaerde> flash still isn't native 64 bit,  but that is because of Adobe
[10:37] <pvandewyngaerde> but there exist workarounds
[10:37] <pvandewyngaerde> do you have more than 4 GiB of memory ?
[10:38] <pvandewyngaerde> thats the only valid reason to be on 64 bit
[10:38] <RAOF> Well, and speed.
[10:38] <jin> some times vlc doesn't output sound..  while movie player does.. .weird
[10:38] <RAOF> For some things.
[10:39] <ompaul> pcAngel, you need the alternate install disk for that - nothing else will work
[10:39] <nox-Hand> pcAngel: At the moment, 1gb, will upgrade to 4gb soon.
[10:40] <ompaul> pcAngel, without more effort that you need invest
[10:40] <nox-Hand> pvandewyngaerde: ^
[10:40] <nox-Hand> pcAngel: Sorry, that was not for you.
[10:40] <pcAngel> ompaul: for installing on my ICH-R chipset's raid array?
[10:40] <nox-Hand> pvandewyngaerde: So apart from ram support over 4gb, there is no big reason to use 64?
[10:41] <pvandewyngaerde> a little bit op speed improvements
[10:41] <pvandewyngaerde> what processor do you have ?
[10:41] <ompaul> pcAngel, well it has raid support from the start as for the chipset it check the kernel source for it
[10:41] <pcAngel> Thanks ompaul.  I was just double checking that you were responding to the question I asked in the other channel
[10:42] <ompaul> now I got some food
[10:42] <ompaul> cheers
[10:42] <nox-Hand> pvandewyngaerde: 1.7 Core 2 Duo
[10:42] <rayb0t> i have an interesting problem that happened recently, when i switch to a lower resolution like 1024x768 i no longer have a mouse. i suspect nvidia-settings not playing nice with xorg.conf.. anybody got any ideas? i can post my conf if needed
[10:47] <aet> RAOF: how do i make this change system-wide?
[10:47] <aet> or whats the proper fix for this
[10:48] <RAOF> aet: You probably don't want it system-wide.  It'll break all your 64bit OpenGL apps.
[10:48] <RAOF> I don't know what the proper fix is.
[10:48] <aet> i see
[10:49] <aet> im having trouble building 32 bit mesa also
[10:49] <aet> ld cant find lX11 since it doesnt look into /usr/lib32/
[10:50] <RAOF> Or, rather, because there isn't libX11.so there.
[10:52] <aet> hrml. so why libX11.so isnt linked to libX11.so.6?
[10:52] <smurfslover> hi there
[10:52] <smurfslover> i've just upgraded to hardy but i'm having troubles with X
[10:53] <smurfslover> i can't get passed a 800x600 res
[10:53] <smurfslover> with or without nvidia driver
[10:53] <smurfslover> card is geforce fx 5200
[10:53] <user-land> Hi, is the 64bit version recommended ?
[10:55] <aet> RAOF: how come /usr/lib32 isnt in ld.so.conf?
[10:57] <RAOF> aet: Because it's in /etc/ld.conf.d/something.
[10:58] <aet> it aint in ld.so.conf.d
[10:58] <user-land> now that beta is here, could the topic be changed to included apt-beginners ?
[11:02] <aet> added it there but ldconfig doesnt do anything
[11:02]  * aet is confused
[11:17] <bbrazil> I love critical debconf questions
[11:25] <amikrop> Hi. I just upgraded to Hardy and my screen resolution is very low.
[11:25] <amikrop> I can't set it back to high.
[11:25] <amikrop> It seems, the system uses a generic video driver.
[11:25] <amikrop> Any help, please?
[11:28] <Lamego> amikrop, if you need help to switch the Xorg resoution you shouldn't be using Hardy, anyway, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:30] <amikrop> Lamego: OK, done. Now restart X?
[11:31] <Lamego> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:31] <amikrop> Lamego: I did Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[11:31] <amikrop> But again the same.
[11:32] <bjwebb> i still can't add users :S
[11:32] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012/
[11:33] <amikrop> Lamego: So, any other ideas? How can I set nvidia-glx-new to work?
[11:34] <flipstar> bjwebb: whats about adduser? or using the gui ?
[11:34] <bjwebb> well its the gui that im using
[11:35] <smurfslover> amikrop: which gfx card
[11:35] <smurfslover> there's a bug in hardy
[11:36] <smurfslover> it refuses to detect some nvidia cards properly
[11:36] <smurfslover> i have the same problem with my fx5200
[11:36] <amikrop> smurfslover: So, what can I do?
[11:36] <flipstar> bjwebb: which version are you using? it should be fixed in 2.21.5.1-0ubuntu1
[11:37] <bjwebb> how do i get the version?
[11:37] <bjwebb> what package is it in?
[11:37] <flipstar> bjwebb: gnome-system-tools but do your user have a password?
[11:37] <smurfslover> in xorg.conf section device stats "configured device"
[11:38] <smurfslover> add Driver "nv" to that section
[11:38] <bjwebb> yes, my user is a sudoer and has a password
[11:38] <smurfslover> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/173418
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173418 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy] NVIDIA cards using vesa driver and low screen resolutions on livecd" [Medium,Incomplete]
[11:39] <bjwebb> flipstar: 2.22.0-0ubuntu3
[11:39] <smurfslover> thx ubotu
[11:40] <zniavre> smurfslover:  i got this card and works quite well
[11:40] <smurfslover> i having the same problem gonna add it to the bug tracker
[11:40] <amikrop> smurfslover: or, nvidia-glx-new in my case
[11:41] <smurfslover> maybe you can try to add Driver 'nv' first then try to enable the nvidia driver using the gui
[11:42] <amikrop> ok, thanks
[11:44] <bjwebb> flipstar: any ideas?
[11:44] <amikrop> Did not work.
[11:45] <flipstar> bjwebb: seems to be a but
[11:45] <flipstar> *bug
[11:45] <amikrop> I added Driver "nv" to the Device section
[11:45] <bjwebb> yeah
[11:45] <bjwebb> but is it happening to everyone?
[11:45] <amikrop> There are also the Screen section and the Monitor section
[11:45] <flipstar> bjwebb: i dont use gnome at all
[11:45] <bjwebb> or is something special going on in my case?
[11:45] <bjwebb> ah okay
[11:45] <smurfslover> amikrop: same here but there's nothing in it
[11:45] <flipstar> according to lp youre not alone https://launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=users-admin&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[11:46] <flipstar> wow what a url
[11:46] <amikrop> smurfslover: So, what can I do?
[11:46] <amikrop> smurfslover: Did Driver "nv" work for you?
[11:46] <bjwebb> flipstar: ty
[11:46] <smurfslover> didn't try it yet
[11:47] <smurfslover> i just added it to xorg.conf from pclinuxos
[11:47] <smurfslover> i don't feel like rebooting right now
[11:47] <smurfslover> i had enough of hardy for today
[11:49] <amikrop> ok
[11:49] <amikrop> It did not work for me, though :-/
[11:49] <amikrop> So, if anyone could help, I would be glad.
[11:50] <flipstar> amikrop: why dont you use nvidia-settings to set resolution? worked always for me
[11:50] <smurfslover> no more ideas right now amikrop
[11:50] <amikrop> smurfslover: ok, never mind. thanks.
[11:50] <smurfslover> flipstar: because he is dropped down to xvesa instead of xorg
[11:51] <amikrop> flipstar: But it seems that the system does not even use nvidia
[11:53] <smurfslover> amikrop: seems like we'll have to wait for an updated X on hardy
[11:53] <amikrop> smurfslover: ok
[12:02] <bjwebb> none of them seem to be quite what ive got
[12:02] <flipstar> what about 205144	users-admin cannot add groups in hardy beta ?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> so, it appears that torrenting uses lots of bandwidth.
[12:03] <bjwebb> flipstar: well i appear to be able to add groups
[12:04] <bjwebb> actually, i can't
[12:05] <bjwebb> but a group X is created succesfully way I unsuccesfully create user X
[12:06] <bjwebb> so, im going to confirm that one
[12:06] <bjwebb> but should i add a seperate bug report for the adding users problem
[12:06] <hector> Hi, is there anyone using kubuntu with KDE 4.0 ?
[12:06] <flipstar> bjwebb: whats about the command adduser ?
[12:07] <bjwebb> erm, what flags should i use?
[12:08] <flipstar> just "sudo adduser test" for the rest a wizard appears
[12:08] <hector> I cant update my system, cause adept_updater crash, can anyone help ?
[12:08] <bjwebb> flipstar: oh i hadn't realised
[12:09] <bjwebb> that seemed to work
[12:09] <bjwebb> yup, i can su as the new user
[12:09] <flipstar> hm then you at least have a workaround
[12:09] <flipstar> bjwebb: you can report/confirm this bug on lp
[12:09] <bjwebb> yeah
[12:10] <bjwebb> shall i report it as a separate bug?
[12:10] <bjwebb> its probably the same underlying problem i should think
[12:10] <bjwebb> will i be able to log in from gdm as a user created with adduser?
[12:11] <bjwebb> iirc it won't be in all the right groups and stuff
[12:11] <flipstar> hector: try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in a terminal then try again
[12:11] <flipstar> bjwebb: the user you added is a normal user
[12:12] <flipstar> so you can login/do whatever
 It seems like dpkg is blocked
[12:13] <hector> > dpkg: el área de la base de datos de estado está bloqueada por otro proceso
[12:13] <flipstar> !apt-fix | hector
[12:13] <ubotu> hector: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:13] <flipstar> hector: do this if adept and others are closed
[12:15] <hector> ok, thaks Im trying it
[12:15] <rinaldi_> does the new tracker (indexing app) enable you to search inside files as well as their file names?
[12:18] <prometheus> you here jaebird?
[12:20] <J-_> Is there a way to change a sftp folder name to something other than the IP in gconf?
[12:25] <flipstar> anyone else has a low resolution in the virtual terminals ?
[12:34] <jaebird> prometheus, for a bit
[12:35] <darrend> anyone know why my OSX icon theme doesn't work properly?  Stock folders don't get used by nautilus - it falls back to displaying a folder icon from the standard gnome theme
[12:35] <prometheus> jaebird: you know where that old network manager is?
[12:35] <jaebird> yeah
[12:36] <jaebird> just a sec
[12:38] <jaebird> prometheus: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/0.6.6-0ubuntu1/+build/534639
[12:38] <jaebird> or better, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/network-manager-gnome/0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[12:39] <prometheus> thanks jae
[12:39] <bbrazil> what's the equivilent of ubuntu-live for hardy?
[12:39] <prometheus> daily builds?
[12:40] <jaebird> prometheus, it looks like 3 might be out now
[12:40] <jaebird> so maybe 1 isn't needed anymore
[12:40] <prometheus> I'll have to give it a look
[12:44] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[12:44] <Aquahallic> I did the Hardy upgrade... then I had that problem with it booting into 386 kernel us I went and changed it in my menu.lst to boot into generic kernel... now all I can get is BusyBox at top of screen and initramfs prompt... anyone seen this?
[12:50] <bottiger> I upgraded to Hardy but it broke my system. I almost fixed it apart from my dual screen setup. I'm using the binary nvidia-drivers but for some reason there isn't any nvidia-setting app
[12:50] <bottiger> *nvidia-settings
[12:52] <LupoBluAlfa>   YOOOOOOOOOOOO
[12:52] <sourcemaker> I have read that Kubuntu 8.04 Beta has been released... one of the new feature is to use an encrypted file system... Can I also encrypt only my home directory ? I think using a encrypted file system slows down the system.... right?
[12:53] <LupoBluAlfa> AI SFAIN KAINS
[12:53] <Hobbsee> LupoBluAlfa: english only pleased
[12:53] <Hobbsee> -d
[12:53] <bottiger> sourcemaker: not much. Alos, only encrypting your /home isn't secure
[12:53] <LupoBluAlfa> Y NOT SPIK INGLISH GOOD
[12:54] <Hobbsee> !it | LupoBluAlfa
[12:54] <ubotu> LupoBluAlfa: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:54] <sourcemaker> bottiger: why? All my personal data are stored at home... where is the insecure issue only encrypting home?
[12:54] <LupoBluAlfa> SAI PARLARE IN ITALIANO?
[12:54] <Pici> !it | LupoBluAlfa
[12:54] <ubotu> LupoBluAlfa: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Pici: too slow.
[12:54] <LupoBluAlfa> SLOWWW YOU
[12:55] <Pici> Hobbsee: Rather, that I'm not particularly paying attention ;)
[12:55] <bottiger> sourcemaker: because unless you really know what you are doing it will also end up in /var /tmp you swap partition etc
[12:56] <sourcemaker> bottiger: ok...how much performance will a lose... using an complete encrypted file system? Does it make fun to work with an encrypted file system?
[12:58]  * fromport has everything except /boot on encryption on my laptop and it doesn't feel like a slow down of anykind.
[12:59] <sourcemaker> fromport: cool... thanks... I will try
[13:03] <sourcemaker> fromport: are you using your encrypted file system as developer or user? Just say... are there any performance problems compiling something?
[13:06] <fromport> sourcemaker: user. kernel compile on my laptop (xfs) is just under 20 minutes.
[13:06] <fromport> mayby a minute longer than previous on non-encrypted filesystem.
[13:06] <sourcemaker> fromport: ok... thank you
[13:06] <fromport> i have 2 gig's of ram though.
[13:10] <KRF> why is in hardy's apache2.conf "ServerTokens Full"? isnt this a security risk?
[13:14] <HardyOne> KRF, if you believe it is please file a bug on launchpad.net and check the security risk box on the bottom of the page
[13:15] <x1101> hello
[13:18] <x1101> so has anyone started using 8.04 beta yet?
[13:18] <Pici> Probably most of the people in this channel.
[13:18] <chdst>  /nod
[13:19] <x1101> i just wanted to know what people thought, ive been away from my desk most of the weekend, so all ive managed is to get the download, and start an install in a VM
[13:20] <rhs_> how to prevent the update manager to install something without having to tick out boxes every time ?
[13:20] <XceII> is flash broke?, it freezes on start.
[13:21] <chdst> x1101: It's got its beta hiccups, but it's a pretty solid pile'o'software.
[13:21] <flipstar> rhs_: you can pin packages you want to keep
[13:21] <fromport> x1101: in _my_ opinion upgrading from a previous version of ubuntu to hardy is not a good idea
[13:21] <fromport> a fresh install works better
[13:21] <x1101> fromport: ive noticed that with _most_ of the ubuntu releases
[13:22] <x1101> upgrade never works quite right, or rather, none of the newest features seem to show up correctly
[13:23] <finalbeta> x1101: that's probably because most settings don't get overwritten/ detection needed for the new things never happened.
[13:23] <fromport> this weekend i remotely upgraded a machine from feisty -> gutsy and apart from a udev bug, the rest went pretty painless
[13:23] <chdst> fromport: Well, developing the upgrade path is just another part of the process, so I'm hesitant to judge Hardy's ability to cope in that regard. I haven't had great successes with previous version either, though.
[13:23] <finalbeta> personally I would just like an upgrade after which my bcm43xx wireless still worked.
[13:24] <x1101> finalbeta: amen to that
[13:24] <finalbeta> broken every single time. is it a general thing this time?
[13:24] <Vertelemming> 's weird. I've never had a problem with upgrades.
[13:25] <MTecknology> good morning
[13:25] <MTecknology> I need some help
[13:25] <x1101> with ....
[13:25] <MTecknology> X i think
[13:25] <x1101> what seems to be the issue?
[13:25] <MTecknology> I booted up this morning and my screen size is 800x600 in the top left corner of the actual screen
[13:26] <MTecknology> not really sure what I did to cause it
[13:26] <finalbeta> Vertelemming: I habe a dell inspiron 8200. Last update I could no longer boot, libata didn't recognize my cd drive. And wireless broke. This time Hardy no longer recognizes the sound card, and the wireless broke. Since all I use the laptop for is play music over the network, that's a problem :)
[13:26] <MTecknology> compiz still working perfect though - it's just like it doesn't want to be 1280x768 or anything around there
[13:26] <Vertelemming> Strange.
[13:27] <x1101> finalbeta: if all you need to do is play music over the network, why upgrade?
[13:27] <x1101> MTecknology: have you looked at your xorg.config?
[13:27] <chdst> MTecknology: That happened to me...I completely forget how I fixed it, but I saw a bug report for this that might help. I'll be a minute.
[13:27] <MTecknology> x1101, ya, and for whatever reason I don't see any resolutions set in there
[13:27] <finalbeta> x1101: I hoped the new samba would play nice with vista. (samba is how I play the music over the network)
[13:28] <flipstar> MTecknology: did you already reconfigured xorg ?
[13:28] <x1101> finalbeta: that makes sense then
[13:28] <MTecknology> I did with phigh b/c i've been told that's safer
[13:28] <flipstar> btw switching resolution doesnt work ?
[13:28] <MTecknology> flipstar, I can't figure out how to set it hight than what it is now
[13:29] <flipstar> MTecknology: nvidia or ati ?
[13:29] <flipstar> with nvidia just use nvidia-settings
[13:29] <MTecknology> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask me anything about screen res
[13:29] <MTecknology> it's intel
[13:30] <x1101> MTecknology: but it should recognize your hardware
[13:30] <flipstar> but it should write it down in corg.conf
[13:30] <MTecknology> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[13:30] <MTecknology> nope - it's not writing any sizes to xorg.conf
[13:30] <flipstar> so the apps for resizing in gnome doesnt work ?
[13:30] <MTecknology> dang - it was working perfect last night
[13:30] <x1101> i still say hard code it into your xorg.conf and see if that helps (back up your currnt xorg.conf fist of course)
[13:31] <MTecknology> I'll try it out
[13:31] <MTecknology> flipstar, they don't have options for higher res
[13:32] <flipstar> yes this probably would be the best method since drivers seems to run proper
[13:32] <MTecknology> bbiab
[13:32] <MTecknology> nothing w/ this system ever works w/o full restart in relation to X ;)
[13:35] <MTecknology> no go
[13:36] <MTecknology> I'll paste why I put in....
[13:36] <MTecknology>         SubSection "Display"                Modes           "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[13:36] <MTecknology> DefaultDepth    24
[13:36] <x1101> and the X server didnt recognize that?
[13:37] <MTecknology> nope....
[13:37] <MTecknology> doesn't seem to anyway
[13:38] <MTecknology> nome-display-properties
[13:38] <MTecknology> that's what i'm suppsoed to use, right?
[13:39] <MTecknology> It gives me this for options: 640x480 640x400 640x350
[13:40] <MTecknology> reinstalling wouldn't bother me - but I'd much rather not... this isn't windows after all
[13:40] <MTecknology> any other ideas?
[13:40] <MTecknology> I'l pastebin xorg.conf if you want
[13:41] <x1101> does your xorg.config happen to say which driver its using?!
[13:42] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.com/m2fd1937b
[13:42] <MTecknology> nope
[13:43] <flipstar> it seems to not detect your card proper
[13:43] <x1101> it would be somewhere like Section "Device" and then list your vid card
[13:44] <MTecknology> it's weird it was working perfect when I went to sleep - not only that - but compiz is working flawlessly !?
[13:45] <MTecknology> I happened to make a copy of my xorg.conf from 7.10 - i'll try it out
[13:45] <MTecknology> bbiab
[13:45] <x1101> thats the really odd part
[13:46] <Lamego> have you specefied a driver during the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[13:47] <TrioTorus> I have trouble loging in to my xubuntu the first time after startup only. When killing X and loging back in again, everything works.Can't find any logged error except for pam complaining about foreground.so in Xauth.log Could that be related?
[13:47] <MTecknology> still no go
[13:48] <MTecknology> grr
[13:48] <reikalusikka> is there anyway to downgrade from 8.04 to 7.10 or something?
[13:49] <Hobbsee> reikalusikka: reinstall.
[13:49] <reikalusikka> :(
[13:49] <Pici> !downgrade | reikalusikka
[13:49] <ubotu> reikalusikka: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[13:49] <x1101> reikalusikka: not that I know of
[13:49] <reikalusikka> :D
[13:49] <Pici> s/may/will/
[13:49] <reikalusikka> ok
[13:50] <reikalusikka> How can I reset xorg.conf?
[13:50] <Pooh22> how do I get attention for a bug that needs serious fixing sooner rather than later?
[13:51] <Pooh22> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/181129
[13:51] <MTecknology> :@ nothing stands out is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181129 in sane-backends "xsane fails to find scanner (dup-of: 180794)" [Undecided,New]
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180794 in sane-backends "access to usb device denied in latest hardy package" [High,Fix released]
[13:51] <Pooh22> ok, maybe that will help...
[13:51] <Pici> :)
[13:51] <MTecknology> reikalusikka, same issue as me?
[13:51] <reikalusikka> MTecknology: what's your issue
[13:52] <MTecknology> reikalusikka, 640x480 screen res in the top left corner... can't get it to work right
[13:52] <reikalusikka> lol
[13:52] <MTecknology> can't get a full screen w/ 1024x800
[13:52] <MTecknology> is it the same?
[13:52] <reikalusikka> I have only 2 res available
[13:52] <MTecknology> 3
[13:52] <reikalusikka> 640x400 and 800x what ever it was
[13:52] <reikalusikka> lol
[13:52] <MTecknology> 640x480 and 2 lower than that
[13:52] <reikalusikka> ok
[13:53] <MTecknology> o - nvm
[13:53] <reikalusikka> it can't find my video card
[13:53] <MTecknology> ya - we're having the same issue
[13:53] <MTecknology> you make any changes to anything?
[13:53] <reikalusikka> tried resetting xorg.conf
[13:53] <reikalusikka> no use
[13:53] <reikalusikka> and reinstalling drivers
[13:53] <reikalusikka> nothing seems to work tho..
[13:53] <MTecknology> as far as everything acts - there's no issue - i still have compiz working
[13:54] <MTecknology> the screen res is just too small
[13:54] <reikalusikka> and I can't get any games working
[13:54] <reikalusikka> that need a video card
[13:54] <MTecknology> ** (nautilus:5983): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[13:54] <reikalusikka> lol
[13:54] <MTecknology> does that mean anything?
[13:54] <chdst> !lol
[13:54] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[13:55] <reikalusikka> :D
[13:55] <MTecknology> I'd try to grab the xorg.conf from a live cd - but I have a feeling that won't change anything
[13:55] <arvind> good advice ubotu
[13:55] <reikalusikka> MTecknology: I have trying to change xorg.conf and resetting it but it doesn't seem to change anything
[13:55] <reikalusikka> have been*
[13:56] <MTecknology> nope - i even grabbed one from my 7.10 install
[13:56] <MTecknology> I also tried manually entering possible screen sizes
[13:56] <reikalusikka> same here
[13:56] <MTecknology> is screen res not handled by xorg.conf anymore or what?
[13:56] <reikalusikka> are these only 8.04 issues?
[13:57] <arvind> i have HH beta installed and once the final is released should i go for complete installation?
[13:57] <MTecknology> arvind, no
[13:57] <MTecknology> you'll already be tghere
[13:57] <arvind> wat abt the old kernel?
[13:57] <smurfslover> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/173418
[13:57] <Lamego> as long you perform the updates
[13:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173418 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy] NVIDIA cards using vesa driver and low screen resolutions on livecd" [Medium,Incomplete]
[13:57] <arvind> its still there
[13:58] <smurfslover> it's a known bug hardy has with nvidia cards
[13:58] <smurfslover> not yet solved untill now
[13:59] <insomninja> I want to install the latest wine, but winehq does only list debs/sources.list addons for up to gutsy, is adding gutsy packages ok or is there a better method?
[13:59] <arvind> MTecknology,wat abt the old kernel.should i remove it manually?
[13:59] <MTecknology> arvind, I wouldn't worry about it - apt handles all of that pretty well
[14:00] <x1101> insomninja: since HH is still in beta, i doubt very many places have HH debs ready
[14:00] <Lamego> insomninja, you may get depedencies problems
[14:01] <insomninja> fair enough, I guess I'll just have to wait a little while, thanks for the answers
[14:02] <x1101> insomninja: i would wait anyway, since wine 1.0 is well on the way
[14:03] <insomninja> ok
[14:03] <chdst> insomninja: One of the upsides of the beta, though, is we're getting pretty new packages. winhq's latest is 0.9.58 as of Friday, and 0.9.57's what's in the hardy repo.
[14:04] <insomninja> well that's nice
[14:04] <rsk> 0.9.58 is in hardy repo
[14:04] <Syko> one of the downsides is it ruined my sound and compiz =/
[14:04] <chdst> rsk: Yeah. I fail at scrolling up. Thanks for pointing that out.
[14:05] <insomninja> I get no sound though :/ Hardy uses pulseaudio right (?) and it seems to not play well with wine/alsa...
[14:05] <MTecknology> this sucks - I REALLY need a large screen for today
[14:05] <MTecknology> bbiab
[14:05] <insomninja> *no sound in wine*
[14:06] <x1101> insomninja: thats a fairly common problem, have you checked to make sure your wine sound setting are close to correct, ie: driver ect
[14:07] <insomninja> I tried all combinations I could think of to no avail
[14:16] <Leerok> So Ubuntu is now Beta, eh?
[14:16] <flipstar> seems so
[14:16] <Leerok> Seems to work quite well.
[14:16] <Leerok> At least for Firefox and Abiword.
[14:17] <Leerok> We also had fun with VNC.
[14:18] <Leerok> krdc elicited comments such as, "This is better than in Windows!".
[14:18] <flipstar> haha nice
[14:19] <x1101> Leerok: well, it is
[14:19] <Leerok> This is strange.
[14:19] <Leerok> What is this Wubi?
[14:20] <flipstar> the installer for windows
[14:20] <Funky_> I just used the Wubi thing to try 8.04
[14:20] <chdst> Leerok: Well. It's definitely fun to say. :)
[14:20] <Leerok> How is Wubi, anyway?
[14:20] <Funky_> Didn't read my partitions correctly so I had to manually edit my grub list thing :/
[14:20] <flipstar> heard it installs a virtual installation
[14:20] <chdst> Does Wubi only work in Vista?
[14:20] <Leerok> And it boots Ubuntu instead of Windows upon startup?
[14:21] <Leerok> With a menu and everything?
[14:21] <flipstar> no idea but you cant use it without win
[14:21] <Funky_> it has a menu
[14:21] <evand> it's *not* a virual installation
[14:21] <evand> virtual*
[14:21] <flipstar> not..?
[14:21] <Pici> It installs a disk image on the windows parition that Ubuntu is booted off of, a nice idea if you aren't able to reparition for any particular reason.
[14:21] <Leerok> Hmm!
[14:22] <evand> chdst: no, it works in Windows XP and presumably Windows 2000 as well.
[14:22] <flipstar> so this is kind of virtual since it is no real installation..
[14:22] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:22] <flipstar> maybe virtual is the wrong word..
[14:22] <Leerok> I must try it in Vista!
[14:22] <flipstar> but its not a real installation
[14:22] <Leerok> Perhaps after April, though.
[14:22] <omar> Guys, I just transferred some files from one machine to another through my flash dive, but the system now counts it a read-only drive, how can I fix that??
[14:22] <x1101> Leerok: that would be sad, that would mean you had an install of vista to try it on
[14:23] <evand> it is a real installation, it's just a real installation in a loop-mounted root filesystem.
[14:23] <Lamego> flipstar, it is a real installation
[14:23] <flipstar> Lamego: but you cant use it without windows ..
[14:23] <x1101> omar: remount the drive with -rw, that should make it read/write
[14:23] <Lamego> flipstar, yes you can, you just need the boot loader, not windows itself
[14:23] <omar> x1101: How is that done?
[14:23] <Pici> flipstar: It doesnt run *inside* windows, thats just where the disk image lives.
[14:24] <x1101> sudo umount (where your jump drive is mounted)
[14:24] <evand> flipstar: you can completely trash windows and it will still run, provided your NTFS partition is still intact
[14:24] <Pici> You still need to reboot and run it from grub (or whatever bootloader it uses).
[14:24] <Leerok> Interesting.
[14:24] <Jahmon> hi , on hardy beta,  i'm having a graphical issue when i move the upper gnome panel to the bottom.  The place there the panel used to be "freezes" and doesn't show the background correctly is anyone else having the issue?
[14:24] <flipstar> hm okay never tried it anyway..i dont have/use/like windows
[14:24] <x1101> then sudo mount -rw /dev/(your jump drive) (where you want it mounter)
[14:25] <Leerok> Is the installation immutable?
[14:25] <Leerok> Or can one install packages that remain after rebooting?
[14:25] <bazhang> nah just toss it when you want
[14:25] <Hobbsee> but who really listens to the guy who writes the isntaller, anyway?
[14:26] <Leerok> Does it need to be uninstalled or can one just rm c:\windows\disk.image?
[14:27] <x1101> Leerok: from what ive read, your better off uninstalling it through the add/remove programs menu in windows
[14:27] <Hobbsee> but who really listens to the guy who writes the isntaller, anyway?
[14:27] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:28] <omar> x1101: Before I transfer the files, I deleted all the files that are already on it, after copying them to the desktop. But now there's this file nameed "
[14:29] <omar> x1101: Before I transfer the files, I deleted all the files that are already on it, after copying them to the desktop. But now there's this file named "Trash-1000", the system created it, and doesn't allow me to delete it.
[14:31] <Leerok> Quick, delete it before it reforms!
[14:31] <Leerok> Use shred and destroy the past!
[14:33] <bassinboywk> is it possible to squeeze an installation into 1gb?
[14:33] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:33] <Leerok> Wouldn't you like to have swap space?
[14:33] <bazhang> bassinboywk: of ubuntu? no
[14:34] <Jahmon> hi , on hardy beta,  i'm having a graphical issue when i move the upper gnome panel to the bottom.  The place there the panel used to be "freezes" and doesn't show the background correctly is anyone else having the issue?
[14:35] <bassinboywk> hmm, does the thin client version come with x server?
[14:36] <h3sp4wn> So is there something silly I overlooked with regards to my wireless (its on channel 13) - with wpa_supplicant I can access it fine
[14:37] <h3sp4wn> But with my intel wireless I can not even see it (I guess it is something like countrycode for madwifi but don't know the intel equivalent)
[14:42] <kebinusan> the lack of lib32 alsa plugins is somewhat frustrating
[14:43] <finalbeta> hardy just "formatted" an usb disk for me. I didn't ask it to do that though.
[14:45] <tmh__> has anyone reported the Intel HDA soundcard sound breakage?
[14:48] <Sean__> i recently downloaded Ubuntu 8.04 beta and it had a problem after the reboot loading the GUI (i forget the exact message) but it said something like' problem loading server X (my GUI) it may have been configured badly.....'
[14:50] <hwilde> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:51] <bazhang> try that Sean__
[14:51] <Lamego> on the terminal, with sudo
[14:52] <Sean__> huh O_o, lol forgive me im quite new to linux :P    how do i use this 'sudo' ? (i know the terminal at least XD)
[14:52] <bazhang> here its safe to talk about wubi ;]
[14:52] <Lamego> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:52] <TheInfinity> Sean__: you use beta software and you are new to linux? wow.
[14:52] <bazhang> Sean__: sudo that commnad then your password
[14:52] <Lamego> sudo will execute the command with root (admin) privileges
[14:52] <Hobbsee> Sean__: you might want to try ubuntu 7.10, and upgrade later
[14:53] <eva> Hi, just upgraded my laptop from Gutsy to Hardy, and now I can't log into Gnome. Only some letters (like 5 and +) works at all when entering the username and password
[14:53] <Sean__> ahhh, lol alrighty thanbks :),     and (sorry i cant reply with pm's dont want to register) but the reason why im using the newst version is it came with Wubi
[14:53] <Lamego> bazhang, I don't use wubi, I just don't like to see personal oppinions without any tecnhical concern presented as answers
[14:54] <Sean__> thankyou Lamego :), ill give it a shot
[14:54] <bazhang> Lamego: aye I agree but admins are best given a wide berth ;]
[14:55] <eva> The text based terminals works as expected, only the Gnome login box which refuses to accept most of the keys on the keyboard
[14:55] <savvas> Sean__: 8.04 is not done yet, you should stick to running a live cd if you want to :)
[14:55] <bazhang> and the person in question clearly didnt want it discussed Lamego
[14:56] <bazhang> it will be interesting to see wubi supported in a month or so though
[14:56] <Pooh22> could someone tell me how console-kit/hal is supposed to work on (k)ubuntu?
[14:56] <Lamego> well, sometimes discussion is required
[14:56] <Pooh22> I figure console-kit is the one to give me permission to use my scanner...
[14:56] <bazhang> aye no doubt
[14:57] <Sean__> well im off to give this a shot :),
[14:57] <bazhang> Pooh22: you plugged it in? that uses xsane right?
[14:58] <bazhang> sean good luck ;]
[14:58] <h3sp4wn> bassinboywk: If you wanted to squeese an install into 1gb you could use squashfs + unionfs (like the livecd does)
[14:58] <Pooh22> bazhang: xsane only works as root
[14:58] <Pooh22> the permissions are not set correctly
[14:58] <Leerok> What is xsane?
[14:58] <bazhang> Pooh22: that seems strange..you have to sudo to scan stuff?
[14:58] <Pooh22> bazhang: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/180794
[14:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180794 in sane-backends "access to usb device denied in latest hardy package" [High,Fix released]
[14:59] <Pooh22> Leerok: xsane is a scanning application
[14:59] <hwilde> !info xsane | Leerok
[14:59] <eva> No-one?
[14:59] <ubotu> leerok: xsane (source: xsane): featureful graphical frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy). In component main, is optional. Version 0.995-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 299 kB, installed size 824 kB
[14:59] <Leerok> bash: !info: event not found
[14:59] <bassinboywk> h3sp4wn: thanks
[14:59] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:59] <Pici> Leerok: see ubotu's response.
[15:00] <hwilde> eva,  sounds like your keyboard is not setup right.  you could try      sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:00] <Leerok> Oh.
[15:00] <Leerok> Wow, it pipes!
[15:00] <eva> hwilde Yeap, just did. Didn't help :-(
[15:00] <hwilde> eva, is it a usb wireless kb
[15:00] <eva> no, it's the one built in the laptop
[15:01] <hwilde> darn, I had the problem and all I had to do was replace the batteries in my wireless kb
[15:01] <SuperLag> So if you install the Hardy Beta... when it goes gold, should you be able to update? or is it best to install from scratch with the released version?
[15:01] <hwilde> SuperLag, updates should work fine
[15:01] <Pooh22> bazhang: the fix-released bit doesn't fly with me, it's still broken
[15:01] <eva> just tried the usb keyboard and it behaves exactly the same
[15:01] <paule118> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/home?setlang=de
[15:01] <savvas> SuperLag: but if you think you can help out, you should try out the beta and report any bugs at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:01] <h3sp4wn> Should be able to - (I have some wierdness though that I would hope didn't make it to the beta)
[15:01] <Pooh22> one of the comments suggested that the permissions are now handled by console-kit+hal
[15:02] <savvas> SuperLag: sorry http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu :)
[15:02] <bazhang> aha
[15:03] <Pooh22> but I don't know how console-kit works, I don't know what to check in the logs to see why my scanner isn't detected
[15:03] <SuperLag> woo. jet engines on my laptop.
[15:04] <skylive> hey peeps, just wondering, but will i be able to get madwifi or ndiswrapper for 8.04 in the repos?
[15:04] <SuperLag> I'm on a Macbook. I've got XP Pro in one Fusion VM, that's running currently... and Hardy is getting installed in another VM. I was wondering how well the system would handle it. It's doing a good job.
[15:05] <savvas> skylive: I think you already have ndriswrapper and a graphical interface for it: ndisgtk
[15:05] <h3sp4wn> skylive: Madwifi is integrated but it s a pretty old version
[15:05] <savvas> madwifi-tools - tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi
[15:05] <hwilde> !keytouch | eva
[15:05] <ubotu> eva: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[15:05] <hwilde> eva, maybe that stuff is a clue
[15:06] <Finnish> I managed to get a working Hardy-system on my laptop, it has VIA Unichrome video card. It's a bit sluggish, just a bit. Is it normal?
[15:06] <Finnish> But I'm very happy it is working after all
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> Afaik getting working 3d with that is not easy (unless you just pay XiG)
[15:07] <savvas> Finnish: you could try xubuntu, it might be faster :)
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> The issue is with Xorg
[15:08] <eva> ubotu Keytouch seems to be for the extra functional keys, right? In this case, none of the regular letters work at all in the gnome login
[15:08] <Finnish> h3sp4wn: You mean my issue?
[15:08] <eva> hwilde Keytouch seems to be for the extra functional keys, right? In this case, none of the regular letters work at all in the gnome login
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> Finnish: Yeah
[15:08] <Finnish> Is there a cure for it?
[15:09] <h3sp4wn> Finnish: There is 3 drivers I think but only patches for a certain version of mesa
[15:09] <h3sp4wn> for one of them
[15:09] <Finnish> Any link to read about it?
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DStatus
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> The problem is it needs mesa 6.4
[15:12] <h3sp4wn> And downgrading mesa and rebuilding everything is not something I would want to attempt
[15:12] <h3sp4wn> If I did I think I would build a full Xorg in /usr/X11R6
[15:12] <hwilde> !downgrade
[15:12] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[15:13] <h3sp4wn> s/downgrading/Building the working mesa version from source
[15:14] <h3sp4wn> forcing a downgrade just with dpkg would be really stupid
[15:15] <Finnish> yeah, it sounds stupid
[15:15] <Finnish> Well, I'm happy that it works somehow
[15:16] <rinaldi_> hi, i plugged in my sony walkman today and it usually comes up as an external drive in gutsy but now it cant seem to detect it, lsusb shows up with "sony corp"
[15:19] <rinaldi_> i get "usb drive" in ///computer but it says unable to mount
[15:19] <finalbeta> rinaldi_: be glad, it mounted for me, but deleted the partition on it.
[15:19] <Volkodav> what's a better way to install flash and other plugins for Firefox in 64 bit?
[15:19] <finalbeta> I wouldn't use external disks right now
[15:20] <Volkodav> Scripts do not seem to mention Hardy at all
[15:20] <dbmoodb> via the synaptic or apt setup ?
[15:20] <finalbeta> trying to recover it just crashed gnome.
[15:20] <dbmoodb> non-free flash no ?
[15:21] <flipstar> Volkodav: flash sometimes doesnt work as 64bit..you might try with firefox32bit or a 32bit chroot environment
[15:21] <rinaldi_> finalbeta: well i have been trying to recover a deleted file from my usb drive all day, i have tried photorec and magicrescue but only part of the file (maybe a previous version) was found
[15:22] <rinaldi_> probably because it was written over
[15:22] <Lamego> you can try testdisk (I believe that was the name of that recover tool)
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> Finnish: You could try Xfree86 maybe and build mesa 6.4 against that
[15:24] <rinaldi_> Lamego: photorec is a package that testdisk uses, thats how I got it. I have tried every app i could find.
[15:24] <Lamego> ops
[15:24] <dbmoodb> ooo pretty 5 new broken packages
[15:26] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: so, i managed to use 56gb in 24 hours, due to ubuntu torrents
[15:26] <orkun> any1 else having issues with medibuntu hardy?
[15:26] <oxigen> Blender and compiz is now better again, but still not perfect, it goes under bottom panel in gnome :(
[15:27] <flipstar> rinaldi_: there is still foremost but the file might be lost unrecoverable
[15:28] <oxigen> who must fix this? ubuntu, compiz or blender team?
[15:28] <oxigen> ah, or gnome team? :)
[15:29] <dbmoodb> did you report the bug /
[15:29] <oxigen> yes, here, many times! :)
[15:29] <oxigen> that's why i asking, whom to report a bug?
[15:30] <rinaldi_> flipstar: ok thanks il give it a try
[15:30] <HorizonX1> anyone find hardy's laptop lcd screen dimming feature weird/buggy?
[15:30] <dbmoodb> well what crashed ? blender or compiz
[15:30] <HorizonX1> like, it dims my screen when idle, fine, but when I come back, it should undim it
[15:30] <HorizonX1> instead, it dims it more!
[15:30] <oxigen> dbmoodb: nothing crashed, just blender goes under gnome bottom panel
[15:30] <spiderfire> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:30] <dbmoodb> HorizonX1: that is weird i don't get that ....
[15:31] <HorizonX1> dbmoodb: yeah, it's annoying. I like the feature, but not when it doesn't restore my brightness level
[15:32] <dbmoodb> .... weird
[15:32] <HardyOne> what is the code name for the next release anybody know?
[15:32] <oxigen> hardy
[15:32] <rsk> intrepid ibex
[15:32] <HorizonX1> they won't announce that until later
[15:32] <HardyOne> after hardy
[15:32] <rsk> oh
[15:32] <rsk> hardy heron
[15:33] <HardyOne> lmao
[15:33] <HardyOne> yeah I know about the hardy heron
[15:33] <HardyOne> see my nick
[15:33] <Pici> !8.10 | HardyOne
[15:33] <ubotu> HardyOne: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[15:33] <HardyOne> Pici, ty
[15:33] <rsk> yea
[15:33] <rsk> :)
[15:33] <Pici> Np
[15:33] <rsk> as i said
[15:33] <oxigen> Ibex! :)
[15:33]  * Pici nods
[15:34] <oxigen> should be Intro International
[15:35] <bazhang> J will be a challenge ;]
[15:35] <HardyOne> jittery jaguar
[15:35] <HardyOne> lol
[15:35] <bazhang> @apple lawsuits
[15:35] <oxigen> Joy Joker
[15:36] <HardyOne> jovial joey
[15:37] <oxigen> ah, heron is a bird!?
[15:37]  * oxigen didn't know that
[15:37] <HardyOne> oxigen, yes
[15:38] <bazhang> haha check the wallpaper
[15:38] <HardyOne> joey is a baby kangaroo
[15:38] <HardyOne> the mouse pointer could be a little kangaroo hoping around instead of spinning
[15:39] <stefg_> Is ist just me or is gnome 2.22 MUCH faster than 2.20 ? ...
[15:39] <HardyOne> stefg_, I havent notcied
[15:39] <oxigen> dunno how to test it
[15:40] <HardyOne> but then again everything on this laptop is alot faster for me compared to my 133mhz
[15:40] <HardyOne> 192mb 20 gig pc
[15:41] <stefg_> Hmmm ... just my subjective impression. This isn't the fastest machine in the universe, so on lower spec hardware it might be more obvious. and firefox might distort my perception as well, that one became definitely faster
[15:41] <HardyOne> firefox has improved startup speed yeah
[15:41] <dbmoodb> what are we debating here -- the speed of hardy vs gutsy ?
[15:41] <HardyOne> used to take forever to load
[15:41] <HardyOne> no!
[15:42] <HardyOne> gnome 2.20 and 2.22
[15:42] <stefg_> dbmoodb: subjective impressions of hardy speed in the absence of objective benchmarks :-)
[15:42] <bazhang> kde is tons faster too
[15:42] <dbmoodb> well on debian etch, iceweasel doesn't take that long - nor on gutsy ---> firefox beta 3 is faster to load so no real difference
[15:42] <dbmoodb> kde or kde4 bazhang ?
[15:42] <bazhang> dbmoodb: well since I've never tried kde4 prior to hardy just kde3 ;]
[15:43] <dbmoodb> well i am testing hardy on some older hard ware and i can tell you it is a resource monster ish
[15:43] <dbmoodb> (in comparison to debian etch)
[15:43] <dbmoodb> like it might do somethings faster (oo.o faster etc.) but it moans at times --- fan picks up hard disk tisk over etc.
[15:44] <HardyOne> bazhang, is it worth me trying kde4? I mean is it so much better then kde3. I am a gnome user
[15:44] <dbmoodb> HardyOne: kde4 personally i find a joke, kde 3 is nice and a change compared with gnome
[15:45] <dbmoodb> i'm sure others would disagree with me
[15:45] <HardyOne> dbmoodb, kde just reminds me so much of windows
[15:45] <finalbeta> If e2fsck can't repair my volume, what are my other options? I switched on an usb disk, and hardy seemed to have broken it. I can't believe the disk would break just right after I upgraded.
[15:45] <dbmoodb> eh ah no .... yes and no
[15:45] <bazhang> HardyOne: well I really like kde4 but it is a big switch from kde3 so I have both but mostly just kde3 now
[15:45] <stefg_> dbmoodb: xubuntu ... the preferred choice for atticware :-)
[15:46] <dbmoodb> kde3.5 ish looks like kde the start bar is just the thing that looks like windows really
[15:46] <dbmoodb> kde 4 is like vista / mac os x / ?
[15:46] <bazhang> dont really know as I use kbfx ;]
[15:46] <HardyOne> think I might give it a shot
[15:47] <bazhang> kde4 is better than either of those
[15:47] <dbmoodb> i think they shot kclicker in the the foot
[15:47] <dbmoodb> and when you click log out from the menu you then have to go and click it again... wtf is up with that ?
[15:47] <stefg_> #kubuntu will know ... i for one won't touch kde with a 10 feet pole before 4.1 is out. kde 3 was banned from my home 2 years ago
[15:48] <dbmoodb> i suggest you try it, you can always return to the old one
[15:48] <bazhang> actually it is #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 stuff
[15:48] <finalbeta> Anyone knows of ext3 recover programs?
[15:49] <macogw> dbmoodb: my impression of the kmenu is that it's too cluttered
[15:49] <flipstar> finalbeta: i heard of ext3rminator
[15:49] <dbmoodb> well i don't like having to click to do things, i am a keyboard user and so why should i click when i could hover before ?
[15:50] <dbmoodb> oh and the kmenu design i find stupid atm
[15:52] <flipstar> i bet lots of people think the same about the gnome menu
[15:52] <mcquaid> i'm trying to fix this ubuntu box on my lan via the built in vnc
[15:53] <mcquaid> there are problems with the ati on the remote box that's making it crash, so i want to login remote but not show screen updates on the host
[15:53] <mcquaid> or even need be logged in on the host
[15:53] <stefg_> finalbeta: undelete files? that's close to impossible on ext3,
[15:53] <mcquaid> can that be done with the built in gui?
[15:54] <dbmoodb> mcquaid: what vnc viewer are you using -- doing it from a gutsy install -- if so can you click in the vnc once then out then use some compiz fusion then go back in and then do control alt d (go to the desktop)
[15:54] <finalbeta> stefg_: actually, ubuntu just removed the whole partition. I ran an fscheck. it made the partition come back. But it corrupted and doesn't want to mount.
[15:54] <dbmoodb> see if you crash
[15:54] <buttterz> hello
[15:54] <finalbeta> fscheck gives errors when it wants to write to it, looks like hardware errors, but it's too much of a coincidence that I just upgraded ubuntu.
[15:55] <mcquaid> dbmoodb, hmm, no i'm having some random lockups that i believe is due to the host's ati.  it crashes using it locally as well
[15:55] <HardyOne> so the default on hardy will be kde4?
[15:55] <mcquaid> i want to try administering it remotely, but not even being logged in on the host. i want no graphic updates there
[15:55] <rinaldi_> flipstar: foremost gave me the same results as magicrescue . just a previous version I can't do much with. looks like that file is gone. whats annoying is that it was only last week this happened whereas it's recovering files from years ago!
[15:55] <stefg_> finalbeta: if fsck can't fix it, you'll have a hard time. tools like testdisk are more geared towards partition table repair.
[15:56] <bazhang> two versions; one commercially supported kde3; and community supported kde4
[15:56] <stefg_> finalbeta: look on distrowatch for a soecialited rescue distro ... like INSERT or System Rescue
[15:57] <stefg_> finalbeta: http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html is what i use for desaster recovery
[15:57] <Lamego> finalbeta, have you tried dd to read from the device? just to check for hw issues ?
[15:58] <tripmckay> is there an official way to install truetype fonts in hardy? in nautilus fonts:/// is not implemented yet and the button to the Fonts folder in the "appeareance >> fonts >>details" tab has been removed... is a simple copy and paste in the /usr/share/fonts/truetype folder sufficient?
[15:58] <Tuv0k> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  tightvncserver: Depends: vnc-common (>= 3.3.6-1) which is a virtual package.
[15:58] <stefg_> tripmckay: the latter ... if you are a careful person you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig after that to refresh the caches
[15:59] <thiemster> are there any really big bugs in the beta version
[16:00] <finalbeta> Lamego: I have not, how can I from a broken file system?
[16:00] <stefg_> thiemster: of course :-) ... but i haven't encountred one yet
[16:00] <Flanger> Hi all, I'm trying to raise resolution of Hardy in Virtualbox. (yes I installed the vbox drivers). Somehow I can't get better than 800x600 from gfx card. Anyone else has this prob?
[16:00] <thiemster> thanks
[16:00] <Lamego> finalbeta, dd does direct I/O from the device, it doesn't care about the filesystem
[16:00] <tripmckay> ah, thanks
[16:00] <Lamego> dd if=part_device of=/dev/null
[16:01] <Lamego> if it reports a read error, then you have an hw/driver related issue, eventually the corruption cause
[16:01] <rinaldi_> anyone sle know any more recover apps? i've tried foremost, testdisk(photorec), and magicrescue. looks like my deleted file is gone
[16:02] <flipstar> rinaldi_: how did you deleted it ?
[16:02] <rinaldi_> flipstar: well i was working on a windows pc at work and I deleted it off my memory stick by accident (i know its stupid)
[16:03] <flipstar> hm usally files arent deletet..just moved to trash
[16:03] <omar> When I renice a process by executing the command "renice -6 32" for example, does that mean raising its priority in the CPU?
[16:03] <finalbeta> Lamego: thanks, it's running now, no output. I assume it will try to read everything, stop if it's done and report something if an error occurs.
[16:03] <mcquaid> is there a way to disable tracker entirely?
[16:03] <mcquaid> short of removal
[16:03] <flipstar> omar: correct
[16:04] <rinaldi_> flipstar: when you delete off a mem stick in windows it doesn't go to recycle bin, it just disappears
[16:04] <flipstar> finalbeta: it wont stop..it copies the whole disc
[16:04] <Lamego> finalbeta, I believe it will report an error when it reachs the end of the partition, not sure rigt now
[16:04] <omar> flipstar: Does that mean that Unix uses the priority scheduling algorithm?
[16:04] <flipstar> omar: i just will prefered before other apps
[16:05] <flipstar> rinaldi_: might be true..in *ubuntu it does :)
[16:05] <Adys> Should I be worried about apps not being able to use sound when another is already using it, or is pulseaudio still incomplete?
[16:06] <stefg_> !dmix | Adys
[16:06] <ubotu> Adys: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:06] <flipstar> Adys: guess not..just use alsa or so on the other apps
[16:07] <stefg_> Adys: check the DmixPlugin link
[16:07] <rinaldi_> flipstar: i often use vnc from work but this time i didn't because I had to use ms access. damn thing
[16:07] <Adys> Aight :)
[16:07] <Adys> that link is broken btw
[16:07] <Adys> http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin
[16:07] <Adys> is better :)
[16:08] <rinaldi_> speaking of windows. is it possible to install wubi on a memory stick rather on the actual windows pc, so it's portable?
[16:08] <Lamego> rinaldi_, you would need to move the boot.ini also :)
[16:08] <slanning> hello, I find cpp-4.2 package is broken (dependency)
[16:08] <Adys> slanning:  sudo apt-get install -f ?
[16:09] <trip> after "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" the new fonts appear in lists but show only blank squares althoug they look fine with fontviewer. any ideas what the problem might be?
[16:09] <buttterz> slanning , there has been some issues with the new packages like that
[16:09] <rinaldi_> ok then, might do that with my spare flash drive
[16:09] <stefg_> Adys: please mention that to the ops in #ubuntu-ops , so they can update the factoid
[16:09] <buttterz> slanning , also beware gcc 4.3.0
[16:09] <Adys> Alright stefg_
[16:10] <syke>  workbuttterz: 4.3.0 works great for me, most of the time
[16:10] <buttterz> syke, thats good but there are issues with it building kernels as a recent slashdot report said
[16:10] <syke> generates significantly smaller and faster code in many cases
[16:10] <syke> yup, that's a known issue
[16:10] <buttterz> yes thats true i agree and i use it on test systems but not my production systems
[16:11] <syke> I think if you pull the latest 4_3 code from their branch, it should be fixed
[16:11] <buttterz> haha i sometimes think in c so i know my gcc stuff :) seem slike you do too
[16:11] <evand> rinaldi_: you don't need wubi for that.  There are plenty of guides on installing Ubuntu to a memory stick on the Internet: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[16:11] <buttterz> syke , it is but not on ubuntu
[16:12] <rinaldi_> evand: but will i be able to run as an app? I don't have access to bios to change boot sequence
[16:12] <finalbeta> Lamego: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60870/ that means the disk is broken, or I have a controller/driver problem right now?
[16:12] <evand> rinaldi_: Wubi doesn't run as an application either.
[16:12] <omar> flipstar: Can we say that the "renice" command is a " manual " version of "Aging"?
[16:13] <flipstar> omar: im sorry im not that technically advanced to answer your question proberly
[16:13] <Lamego> finalbeta, was that the end of the partion, 1.1 GB ?
[16:13] <omar> flipstar: Oh, it's okay, thanks a lot for your time. :)
[16:13] <finalbeta> Lamego: no, that would have to be 500
[16:14] <Lamego> it seems to be an hw issue
[16:14] <syke> butterz: yea, I was hoping that since gcc-4.3 is released that a new gcc-4.3 pkg would be created
[16:14] <Lamego> is it an usb 2.0 device ?
[16:14] <buttterz> syke, i'm working on it
[16:14] <syke> (and gcc-snapshot would revert back to the gcc 4.4 trunk)
[16:14] <syke> buttters: great!
[16:14] <finalbeta> Lamego: yes, and the controller is usb 2.0 too
[16:14] <buttterz> i've just finished final so i'vebeen swamped
[16:15] <syke> buttterz: I assume you do a profiled bootstrap?
[16:15] <Lamego> that transfer rate is a very low
[16:15] <Lamego> scrap it :)
[16:16] <thiemster> if i install the beta version now, will there be an easy way to upgrade to the stable version when it comes out?
[16:16] <buttterz> syke, i'm working on it now actually
[16:17] <syke> buttterz: let me know when you have something and I can help test
[16:17] <syke> I'm getting a coredump when building a profile-optimized version of kdelibs
[16:18] <captainm> thiemster, the automatic updates will take care of that
[16:18] <finalbeta> Lamego: hmm, on another disk it's more then 30MB. I guess it is broken.
[16:18] <finalbeta> bummer
[16:18] <finalbeta> Lamego: thanks for your help. You probably saved me the rest of the day
[16:18] <Lamego> np :)
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: so it should be easy to upgrade?
[16:19] <captainm> thiemster, just keep up with the updates. Nothing more to it.
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: thanks. it's the same way for kubuntu too, right?
[16:19] <thiemster> captainm: cause i'm pretty sure it is
[16:19] <captainm> thiemster, it is
[16:20] <thiemster> captainm: thanks
[16:20] <murlidhar> i have mounted alternate beta cd and i don't want to write it on cd . however i want to upgrade to hardy beta .
[16:20] <murlidhar> mounted using gmount-iso
[16:21] <pvandewyngaerde> ./cdrom upgrade
[16:21] <pvandewyngaerde> or sth like that
[16:21] <buttterz> syke, well which are you looking for -- i can accomodate if you are looking for my .debs
[16:21] <murlidhar> something like that ??
[16:22] <syke> buttterz: a profiled bootstrap of gcc4.3's latest head would be great, thanks! :)
[16:22] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, Could not find the upgrade application in the archive, exiting
[16:22] <syke> buttterz: oh, for amd64
[16:22] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar: sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade
[16:23] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i have not written it on the media disk.
[16:23] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  then run it from the mounted iso location
[16:24] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i did . i got this error.
[16:24] <thiemster> does kubuntu 8.04 beta (kde4 edition) come with all of the basic applications installed (firefox, openoffice, etc.)
[16:24] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, Could not find the upgrade application in the archive, exiting
[16:24] <pvandewyngaerde> did you mount it to the cdrom location ?
[16:25] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, i mounted in the home folder/xxxx/
[16:25] <buttterz> syke , what exactly are you looking for though -- a .deb correct
[16:25] <syke> buttterz: yes
[16:25] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, /home/xxxx/
[16:26] <buttterz> syke, it may take me a bit of time -- we are doing easter dinner today
[16:27] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  mount to /media/cdrom
[16:27] <buttterz> but i'll get it to you -- do you frequent this channel
[16:27] <syke> buttterz: no rush :) I do hang out in here often these days
[16:28] <buttterz> syke, right and profiled bootstrapped amd -- i'm doing i386 as well
[16:28] <syke> buttterz: awesome, thanks!
[16:28] <buttterz> i'm also going to base it off the trunk
[16:28] <buttterz> not 4.3.2
[16:28] <smurfslover> hi there
[16:28] <buttterz> hi
[16:28] <pvandewyngaerde> murlidhar:  are there by any chance spaces in the current name mounted location ?
[16:28] <smurfslover> how can i get full verbosity while booting
[16:29] <flipstar> just remove splash from grub
[16:29] <buttterz> smurfslover , go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the splash
[16:29] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, yes there was  however i mounted on /media/cdrom0/ and it worked
[16:29] <burner> smurfslover: nosplash boot option?
[16:29] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, thanks
[16:29] <buttterz> flipstar , i mean it doesn't seem like ne knew that
[16:30] <buttterz> smurfslover , and make sure to do it on the default kernel which is annotated earlier in the file
[16:30] <murlidhar> pvandewyngaerde, can i get back to gutsy if problems arises and if so , how?
[16:30] <buttterz> murlidhar , downgrading is harder
[16:30] <buttterz> much harder
[16:30] <smurfslover> gonna change splash into verbose
[16:30] <Lamego> murlidhar, you can't downgrade, just reinstall
[16:30] <buttterz> because you upgrade requisite
[16:31] <Lamego> if you want a stable system, don't upgrade
[16:31] <buttterz> smurfslover no just remove splash from the kernel you are default booting
[16:31] <smurfslover> but gonna change it in from the grub screen itself
[16:31] <buttterz> Lamego , you can downgrade.
[16:31] <smurfslover> k thx
[16:31] <murlidhar> Lamego, can i backup my setting at least?
[16:31] <Lamego> you can't
[16:31] <buttterz> alright.
[16:31] <buttterz> haha
[16:32] <buttterz> Lamego , well let me hear your rational at least
[16:32] <Lamego> buttterz, it is not a tested/certified procedure, it is very likely to break your system
[16:32] <bazhang> downgrade is guaranteed breakage
[16:32] <buttterz> yes -- but that doesn't mean you can't
[16:33] <|rt|> anyone know any tricks to get the b43 drivers to work after upgrading from gusty?
[16:33] <buttterz> all, i agree -- but you CAN in fact DOWNGRADE if you know what you are doing.
[16:33] <bazhang> well cmon this is ubuntu; I dont know what I'm doing ;]
[16:33] <buttterz> it will break -- but thats because of proprietary packages like libc and others that often have several issues
[16:33] <|rt|> wireless previously worked with bcm43xx driver but looks like hardy moved over to the b43 drivers
[16:34] <Lamego> right, you can also hit your PC with an hammer without stopping it, if you know what you are doing
[16:34] <buttterz> bazhang , coming from freebsd -- ubuntu is nice -- don't say that haha -- its a great environment
[16:34] <buttterz> Lamego , ok...now you are just not helping or facilitating thought anywhere
[16:35] <stefg_> buttterz: welcome to working flash, tv-cards and multimedia bling :-)
[16:35] <|rt|> Lamego: hehe in fact with old SGI's SGI used to recommend lifting the computer off the desk a couple inches and dropping them
[16:35] <buttterz> seems to be
[16:35] <|rt|> it would fix some problems believe it or not
[16:35] <syke> |rt|: I use ndiswrappper -- I've never gotten b43 to work very well
[16:35] <buttterz> stefg_ , thanks -- i have been a freebsd dev though since ive been 12 yrs old -- all powerpc based systems
[16:35] <|rt|> syke: upgrade or fresh install?
[16:35] <syke> |rt|: either
[16:35] <bazhang> buttterz: well freebsd is very nice I admit really like the new one, but ubuntu is well, hard to define, a new community, so hard to quantify
[16:35] <|rt|> syke: my next step is going to be to back up my home and try a clean install
[16:35] <buttterz> stefg_ , now all i have is a japanease lets note toughbook haha go figure i love ubuntu and freebsd alike
[16:36] <buttterz> bazhang , i just use it because its like lightning
[16:36] <syke> |rt|: my experience is that upgrading rarely has anythign to do with it
[16:36] <syke> it'll either work, or not
[16:36] <bazhang> there is that too ;]
[16:36] <syke> but
[16:36] <|rt|> syke: well i've had an upgrade break wireless once before
[16:36] <syke> you can try rmmod b43 && rmmod ssb, then reload them in the opposite order
[16:36] <Lamego> buttterz, the downgrade scenario is not covered/tested, it is safer to assume that your system will break than it is to assume it will work, unless you did QA on the downgrade and have no need for assumptions
[16:36] <|rt|> syke: can't remember if it was from fiesty to gusty or warty to fiesty
[16:37] <|rt|> syke: what is the ssb module?
[16:37] <buttterz> Lamego , i have recently downgraded my ubuntu system ... i don't know what you mean but you seem to be cutting at me for no reason -- i have no "beef" so to speak with you haha
[16:37] <syke> |rt|: not sure, but there's a race condition bug right now where it can interfere
[16:38] <buttterz> |rt| , i wouldn't recommend just searching for a version that wireless works on but rather get wireless to work on your current system thats current ;)
[16:38] <|rt|> syke: in my dmesg it looks like eth1 shoudl be my wireless device...but if I do a iwconfig the only device that says it has wireless is something called wlan0_rename
[16:38] <syke> oh, weird
[16:38] <syke> forget my advice, then :)
[16:39] <|rt|> none of the iw commands can interact with either device though
[16:39] <|rt|> I'll try a fresh install tonight when I get home and see if that sorts it out....then debug from there
[16:40] <|rt|> it will be a good excuse to get rid of the XP partition once and for all anyhow
[16:41] <Lamego> buttterz, just because it worked on your case it doesn't mean it will work in general terms, unless you installed the entire universe
[16:41] <syke> heh :)
[16:41] <Lamego> not to mention specific configuration scenarios that you may not have
[16:41] <flipstar> !downgrade > buttterz
[16:41] <syke> rt: wine is getting so good these days, that's probably reasonable. latest wine even defaults to XP as the meulated version
[16:41] <|rt|> syke: well i have my xp pro license running in virtual box now
[16:41] <|rt|> wine is getting better though
[16:42] <flipstar> since google invests in wine .. no wounder
[16:42] <murlidhar> !downgrade > murlidhar
[16:42] <murlidhar> oops
[16:42] <|rt|> I don't use that laptop for anything but web related things anyhow so no real need for windows
[16:43] <|rt|> I have an XP64 workstation for doing things I can't do in linux
[16:43] <buttterz> Lamego , i understand that -- i'm not saying its a standard procedure -- i'm saying it can be done -- in any situation it CAN be done if you are willing to work with it -- i'm not saying it always makes sense though -- lets please drop this -- we are arguing different points now
[16:44] <buttterz> flipstar , please don't do that again -- ever.
[16:44] <|rt|> I did notice that the newtork manager and it's intergration with openvpn has improved with hardy
[16:44] <stefg_> aarrrghhhh ... people have invested billions of manhours to mak unix/linux easy to manage when it comes to migrate settings and data... the invention of /etc and /home must be good for something. Why is everyone so interested in spending 3 hours in downgrade when you can have a fresh install in 20 minutes ?
[16:44] <flipstar> buttterz: whats the problem with that ?
[16:45] <buttterz> i don't want /msg from a bot about something i know -- thats why i don't want that.
[16:45] <syke> flipstar: actually, wine's had a huge turnaround since they've invested more in their automated test suite
[16:45] <flipstar> okay..just wanted you to know the official point of view
[16:45] <syke> flipstar: same with gcc 5 years ago, actually
[16:46] <Lamego> buttterz, I will rewrite my sentence to make you happy, replace "you can't" with  "you should not" or  "is not supported" or "it is likely to break your system"
[16:48] <buttterz> flipstar and Lamego , the reason that that is not a "SUPPORTED" thing -- is because it often does break -- and ubuntu is a distrobution that is supposed to streamline the linux system -- that doesn't mean it cannot be manipulated like a full debian system -- which at its base it is -- lets please drop this for the 3rd time -- im not interested in this conversation anymore ok?
[16:48] <flipstar> when you advanced enough you probably can do anything
[16:48] <Lamego> buttterz, calm down, you will live longer :)
[16:49] <syke> yea, this is sounding like those fuqtards in #debian that I hate :)
[16:49] <Pici> !language | syke
[16:49] <ubotu> syke: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:49] <flipstar> btw has anyone else a low resolution on the virtual terminals ?
[16:49] <syke> sorry, s/fuqtard/fuqmentallyimpaired
[16:50] <flipstar> i tried to change the fb but vesafb seems to not working
[16:50] <buttterz> haha i've tried to let it be!
[16:50] <syke> buttterz: /ignore is your friend ;)
[16:50] <buttterz> flipstar , you mean in tty's
[16:50] <flipstar> yes
[16:50] <buttterz> syke, i don't like to do that -- haha i like to work it out :)
[16:51] <buttterz> flipstar , you can edit this in your grub menu.lst
[16:51] <buttterz> and change fb there with a specific command -- i do not recall since i have kept the same menu.lst for a while
[16:51] <flipstar> when i enter a vga=any then i dont have any tty's ¦ /
[16:52] <flipstar> oh, i'll take a look at this
[16:52] <buttterz> vga=791
[16:52] <buttterz> thats what i recommend
[16:52] <buttterz> 1024x768
[16:52] <flipstar> yes..then i dont have any tty's
[16:52] <flipstar> seems to be an known bug
[16:52] <adinc> is anyone encountering problems with his wireless device iwl3945 and ubuntu hardy?
[16:53] <buttterz> flipstar , thats odd -- i would'nt really do this in another fashion
[16:53] <buttterz> vidcontrol for freebsd ;p
[16:53] <buttterz> sorry, haha
[16:53] <flipstar> i really would like to increase the resolution since mplayer supports fb :)
[16:54] <adinc> is dist-upgrade going to fetch also a new kernel if available?
[16:54] <oxigen> hmm, CinePaint isn't in repository?
[16:55] <Pici> adinc: if theres one in the repositories, yes.
[16:55] <buttterz> flipstar , mplayer is awesome -- but xmms is something special i think
[16:55] <flipstar> oxigen: seems to be in gutsy only
[16:55] <oxigen> flipstar: hmm, ok thanks
[16:56]  * oxigen need to compile again :/
[16:56] <flipstar> only configure then use checkinstall :)
[16:56] <NET||abuse> hmm, bcm 4318,, not getting the little blue indicator light for wifi power i used to get in feisty... do i have to initialize a kernel module or something?
[16:58] <buttterz> how in great gods name is patch not a part of ubuntu core installation
[16:58] <adinc> does someone know how to get the cube plugin for compiz with ubuntu? i'm really new to ubuntu
[16:58] <adinc> or better how to get plugins for compiz at all
[16:59] <flipstar> adinc: you can activate it in ccsm
[16:59] <adinc> ccsm?
[16:59] <flipstar> correct
[16:59] <adinc> flipstar: what is ccsm?
[16:59] <flipstar> 'compizconfig-settings-manager'
[16:59] <Pici> !ccsm
[16:59] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[17:00] <howefield> adinc: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings manager
[17:00] <adinc> howefield: thank you, it is not installed here
[17:00] <adinc> can i also use aptitude install compiz...?
[17:00] <howefield> it is in synaptic package manager
[17:01] <adinc> in synaptic?
[17:01] <adinc> i've installed the compizconfig-settings-manager but it is not in the appearance preferences, do i need to restart gnome?
[17:02] <howefield> prefernces > advanced desktop settings
[17:02] <murlidhar> adinc, it is preferences>compiz
[17:02] <bazhang> its called advanced desktop settings manager
[17:02] <adinc> i see thank you
[17:05] <kebinusan> doesnt metacity have some compositing features now?
[17:06] <solarion> anyone know offhand why my mouse would think that it's needing to double-click?
[17:06] <anolis> i can't get my computer to connect to the internet.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041/
[17:07] <solarion> when I single-click
[17:07] <buttterz> brb
[17:09] <adinc> ohhh my window manager disappeared after installing of compiz configuration manager
[17:09] <anolis> anyone know why that would happen? i even tried running it in the recovery console
[17:10] <adinc> ohh no, it is still there but it is just transparent. how this
[17:10] <solarion> I cannot imagine this upgrading having gone much worse, honestly
[17:10] <solarion> aiside from killing my hard drive
[17:11] <anolis> solarion, well... it could have killed you
[17:11] <hwilde> adinc, you need to run something like   sudo ./metacity --replace
[17:11] <solarion> anolis: that would be difficult
[17:11] <adinc> hwilde: ok, what is it for and where is metacity in order to start it with ./
[17:12] <anolis> adinc run "metacity --replace" or "compiz --replace"
[17:12] <adinc> ahh ok
[17:12] <adinc> systemwide
[17:12] <hwilde> yeah that
[17:12] <adinc> this program doesn't exit i used metacity
[17:14] <hwilde> strong suit your sentence making is not
[17:14] <solarion> time to muck about with xorg again
[17:14] <hwilde> what program, doesn't exit when you do what
[17:15] <adinc> compiz --replace or metacity --replace stay in the console, compiz --replace says that it is unable to parse XML metadata from file ccp.xml
[17:15] <adinc> do i do this as root or a normal user?
[17:16] <anolis> normal
[17:16] <adinc> ok
[17:16] <anolis> press ctrl-z after running it
[17:16] <anolis> then type bg then press enter
[17:16] <adinc> but still the window titles are transparent
[17:16] <oxigen> ubuntu rulez!! \o/
[17:17] <anolis> oxigen, meh.. i guess until you get something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041/
[17:17] <adinc> now i can not even switch between the different applications anymore the windows are fixed
[17:17] <adinc> god whats going wrong here
[17:17] <hwilde> !topic | adinc
[17:17] <ubotu> adinc: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:17] <anolis> adinc.. just restart xserver
[17:18] <Grosso> hello
[17:19] <Grosso> I lost sound at times and I cannot recover it even with: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset
[17:19] <Grosso> how could I recover sound?
[17:19] <hwilde> !sound | Grosso
[17:19] <Grosso> !sound
[17:19] <ubotu> Grosso: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:20] <Grosso> !sound | Grosso
[17:21] <syke> http://wiki.yak.net/894
[17:22] <adinc> unfortunately i still have the problem with the window titles, it is still totally transparent
[17:23] <hwilde> did you mess with the themes?  I think transparent is a setting
[17:23] <adinc> hwilde: no not really
[17:24] <Pici> !offtopic | syke
[17:24] <ubotu> syke: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:24] <syke> pici: how is offering to pay for hardy improvements off-topic?
[17:25] <adinc> hwilde: what i did was making the top pannel transparent , could this have this effect
[17:25] <hwilde> adinc, duh yes  undo it and see
[17:26] <anolis> sigh...
[17:28] <Almindor> hello, since the update qt4 apps have very fuzzy fonts
[17:28] <nextstep> is there a reason the Broadcom wireless drivers are still not included in ubuntu ?
[17:28] <Almindor> any idea if it's some setting? (the appearance normal font setting has no effect on qt4 apps it seems)
[17:29] <adinc> hwilde: do i then need to restart x again?
[17:30] <hwilde> you need to not use beta versions if you can't figure this out
[17:30] <adinc> hwilde: but this should at least work shouldn't it?
[17:31] <buttterz> hwilde , hey this is a help forum man :)
[17:31] <anolis> nextstep, they are included.. they just don't work
[17:31] <buttterz> adinc whatsup
[17:31] <hwilde> of course you have to restartx after you change the configuration
[17:31] <nextstep> anolis ... lol that i fully understand
[17:31] <adinc> and i don't think this has something todo with reprogramming that stuff from beta to a release
[17:31] <nextstep> seems its something major they really need to fix.
[17:32] <anolis> nextstep, yes.. they have 31 days :] dun dun dunnn
[17:32] <hwilde> nextstep, tough to install network drivers without networking drivers huh
[17:32] <adinc> buttterz: thank you very much, i'm only trying to make use of compiz and a plugin called cube, unfortunately since i installed compiz-configuration  my window manager is somehow gone, application do not have a title anymore
[17:32] <ompaul> syke, if you have to ask, this place is for running hardy not altering how it runs - while the work being sponsored might be on your needs list it never made it to spec level within the ubuntu process, furthermore if you feel like a bit of dev join #ubuntu-motu and help make changes happen
[17:32] <nextstep> ohh well basically I am on a broadcom card and I am using the bcm fwcutter driver to get wireless working.  Wireless is locked to 1mb though, no changes I am making seem to fix it.  Can anyone help out?
[17:33] <solarion> any idea why the mouse would double-click instead of single-clicking?
[17:33] <buttterz> adinc , and your WM is?
[17:33] <adinc> buttterz: gnome
[17:33] <Almindor> damn the system monitor is borked
[17:33] <buttterz> ah ah ah thats an Desktop environment
[17:33] <buttterz> now a window manager
[17:33] <buttterz> not*
[17:33] <adinc> buttterz: i then didin't do any changes to the default settings of hardy
[17:34] <adinc> which one is the default window manager
[17:34] <solarion> I could really use some help figuring out what precisely is goign on?
[17:34] <nextstep> hwilde:  lol .. yeah having to use the wired connection stretched across my office to get it working .. lol
[17:34] <solarion> double-clicking instead of single-clicking royally sucks
[17:34] <buttterz> so i assume you are using the default which is metacity
[17:34] <anolis> nextstep, you've got it better than my dads computer, which cannot even get dhcp offers from broadcast
[17:35] <adinc> buttterz: like clearlooks crux etc?
[17:35] <buttterz> adinc , haha no thats the theme :)
[17:35] <moses> Hi, am new to irc. Have just installed HH with kernel 24.14 and can't boot whithout goiong in to recoverymode in kernel 24.12. What to do?
[17:35] <adinc> buttterz: can you navigate me to the windows manger where i could select it?
[17:35] <buttterz> see gnome uses several other components to manage the actual windows in its environment metacity takes on these themes
[17:36] <hwilde> adinc, type in the terminal    "ps -ef | grep -c metacity"
[17:36] <buttterz> adinc , there have been many posts on compiz on the forums
[17:36] <hwilde> what number does it return
[17:36] <buttterz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=531284
[17:36] <buttterz> ^^^^^^^^
[17:36] <adinc> buttterz: it returns 1
[17:36] <buttterz> adinc , that was hwilde but ok
[17:36] <hwilde> ok you are running metacity
[17:36] <adinc> pardon
[17:37] <buttterz> hwilde , i mean it doesn't seem like he would have changed it ;p
[17:37] <adinc> but i have no titles of the windows at all
[17:37] <adinc> i didin't really change that much
[17:37] <adinc> i could even say nothing
 hwilde: what i did was making the top pannel transparent , could this have this effect
[17:37] <buttterz> HAHA :)
[17:37] <solarion> xev shows a single button press causes two button presses followed by two button releases
[17:37] <hwilde> you should definitely undo that
[17:37]  * buttterz agrees with hwilde 
[17:38] <adinc> hwilde: i changed that as you suggested it to solid
[17:38] <adinc> pannel properties and background to None (use system theme)
[17:38] <anolis> hwilde, i think he is trying to say "what he did caused the windows to lose their decorations etc"
[17:38] <adinc> anolis: yes
[17:39] <buttterz> right because thats what transparency essentially does here -- i would reset that and logout and return to the DE
[17:39] <anolis> adinc, it sounds like compiz and or metacity might not be running at gnome-session start time
[17:39] <solarion> interestingly, scroll wheel only does single presses
[17:39] <adinc> anolis: what could i do then?
[17:39] <buttterz> adinc try doing a metacity& in a gnome-term
[17:39] <syke> ompaul: hi :) some of the issues I list are bugs I've run into in hardy, and would like to sponsor the fixing of before release. I'm sure you aren't implying that no more bugfixes will go into hardy before release, right?
[17:39] <syke> I'm aware of the spec process and have things I will be proposing for that
[17:39] <buttterz> with the & mind you
[17:39] <syke> for II
[17:40] <adinc> i did a metacity --replce & and now it is ok
[17:40] <solarion> no help, eh?
[17:40] <buttterz> adinc , alright nice :)
[17:40] <anolis> syke, aren't bugs submitted to launchpad?
[17:40] <adinc> what will happen when i restart the desktop (thank you very much to all of you)
[17:41] <buttterz> adinc, try it ;p
[17:41] <buttterz> and we will go from there
[17:41] <adinc> ok
[17:41] <adinc> no it still is the same, no window decoration after relogin
[17:42] <anolis> adinc you need to add it to your session
[17:42] <adinc> anolis: how can i do this?
[17:42] <anolis> im imagining you want to use compiz?
[17:42] <adinc> anolis: yes
[17:43] <anolis> in the go to system>preferences>sessions
[17:43] <adinc> ok
[17:43] <anolis> then add the command "compiz" to the list
[17:43] <adinc> to the startup programms?
[17:43] <anolis> then try restarting x
[17:43] <anolis> \yes correct
[17:44] <adinc> ok, lets see
[17:44] <adinc> no still the same
[17:45] <hwilde> how attached are you to your profile?   you could just make a new one
[17:45] <adinc> hwilde: i didn't understand
[17:45] <Linuturk> 13:45 < hwilde> how attached are you to your profile?   you could just make a  new one << LOL
[17:45] <hwilde> I bet if you make a new user that user won't have this problem
[17:45] <mcarolan> hi guys, trying to install the hardy beta on a pc, it gets past the splash screen to the point where gdm would normally start and the machine just reboots without displaying an error, is this  a known bug? If not how can I view any errors it produces?
[17:45] <hwilde> which means it is something in your profile
[17:46] <adinc> couln't i then delte his profile and copy a new one to it?
[17:46] <Linuturk> mcarolan: turn off the splash and quiet boot by editing your grub entry before it boots
[17:46] <hwilde> mcarolan, you could try when you boot in grub hit e and edit the command line and put   nosplash
[17:47] <mcarolan> ok cheers, will that fix the problem or just show me the error?
[17:47] <hwilde> that will hide the splash screen so maybe you see an error
[17:47] <buttterz> mcarolan , or boot recover and check the syslogs
[17:47] <hwilde> or just hit ctrl+alt+f1 while it's booting and that should also show you
[17:47] <mcarolan> ok thanks, will give that a go
[17:47] <hwilde> wait you should turn on boot logging
[17:47] <hwilde> it's off by default
[17:48] <mcarolan> is that in the bios?
[17:48] <buttterz> mcarolan , no
[17:48] <hwilde> /etc/default/bootlogd
[17:48] <hwilde> BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No
[17:48] <hwilde> turn that on and then you might be able to catch something in /var/log
[17:48] <anolis> adinc, did my solution fix your problem?
[17:48] <mcarolan> this is on the live cd, it's not installed yet, can i still do that/
[17:48] <buttterz> syke , making headway on i386 first for the trunk and i have a working deb
[17:49] <adinc> anolis: no it didin't actually, after relogin still the same
[17:49] <NET||abuse> !flash
[17:49] <buttterz> mcarolan , no.
[17:49] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:49] <NET||abuse> hmm, no bot to tell me how no? :( bummer
[17:49] <NET||abuse> ah, there he is.
[17:49] <adinc> anolis: i created a new user as suggested, this user hasn't got the problem, but doesn't have compiz at all
[17:50] <buttterz> mcarolan , it doesn't write to the cd -- we were assuming an install had happened
[17:50] <hwilde> adinc, ok so it's something in your profile
[17:50] <buttterz> adinc , i would agree and just recreate a user with the same home directory
[17:50] <mcarolan> buttterz, no, i'm trying to do an install from the live cd, but the computer restarts at the point where gnome would normally start
[17:50] <NET||abuse> hm, they have feisty edgy and dapper,,, no heron?
[17:51] <buttterz> NET||abuse i was hoping for a harlot :(
[17:51] <NET||abuse> haha
[17:51] <NET||abuse> horney harlot
[17:51] <NET||abuse> ahh well
[17:52] <NET||abuse> this is what happens when my drive has mechanical failure
[17:52] <buttterz> what ever happened to the funny unix community haha where you would type quit into your console and it would barf -- does this look like dos to you
[17:52] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[17:52] <mcarolan> buttterz, would trying the alternate install cd help do you think?
[17:52] <adinc> which keycombination activates the 3d cube on a notebook?
[17:53] <buttterz> mcarolan , seems like an esoteric issue so i would say that wouldn't hurt -- it is beta
[17:53] <tgelter> adinc: it'll be the same on a notebook as on a desktop
[17:53] <adinc> tgelter: which ones are these?
[17:55] <adinc> the amount of virutal desktops, where can this be changed?
[17:56] <mcarolan> adinc, try ctrl + alt + left arrow, and the same with the right arrow
[17:56] <grimboy> Hey, I've got a "Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" and have just switched to the intel driver from the i810 driver so I can use this whole xrandr thing for dual head. I don't particularly need video acceleration but I do need a total resolution wider than 2048px (I want 2560px) so I commented out the modules 'GLcore', 'DRI' and 'glx' and put in "Virtual 2560 1024". However, now when Xorg starts, gnome starts load
[17:56] <grimboy> ing then suddenly my laptop panel turns a greenish black then a blackish black a few times (the external monitor does nothing), then I get put in low graphics mode. Is what I want possible with xrandr or would I be better off doing it the old (xinerama) way?
[17:56] <anolis> adinc, ctrl-alt-left click works
[17:56] <anolis> also
[17:56] <adinc> mcarolan: thank you, since i only have two virtual desktops it turns like a page
[17:56] <hwilde> grimboy, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:57] <adinc> anolis: yes, in order to have a cube i would need to have four desktops don't i
[17:57] <captainm> adinc, in compizconfig-setting-manager > general settings > dekstop size
[17:57]  * hwilde stares 
[17:57] <grimboy> hwilde, Ah, I'll try that. Thanks.
[17:57] <anolis> well.. 3
[17:57] <anolis> adinc, nvm that would just be a triangular prism
[17:58] <hwilde> and technically a cube has 6 sides
[17:58] <adinc> ohh i can't change that value, it is 1 here
[17:59] <hwilde> right click in the bottom right desktop switcher,  preferences,  number of desktops
[17:59] <anolis> hwilde, the desktop cube has six sides afaik
[17:59] <hwilde> what did I say
[17:59] <anolis> only 4 usable ones tho lol
[17:59] <adinc> yes, the cube is in the size of my screen so the cube is not visible, can i also readuze the size of it
[18:00] <anolis> oh my...
[18:00] <hwilde> sounds like you are talking about the 3ddesktop package
[18:00] <adinc> hwilde: is this a different package?
[18:01] <hwilde> 3ddesktop zooms out to a cube or various different visualizations of the desktops
[18:01] <adinc> like it is shown in this picturehttp://compiz.org/Image:Cube.jpg
[18:01] <hwilde> but that package hasn't been around for awhile
[18:01] <adinc> i see
[18:02] <hwilde> adinc, http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-get-compiz-cube-to-work-on-multiple-desktop
[18:02] <adinc> hwilde: thank you
[18:02] <poseidon> Anybody got any suggestions of how I could get a wireless connection back up again on ubuntu?
[18:03] <hwilde> poseidon, ifconfig eth1 up
[18:03] <Paddy_EIRE> poseidon: or ath0 eth0
[18:03] <hwilde> ifconfig ?th? up
[18:04] <hwilde> wonder if that works..
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[18:04] <nextstep> can anyone help with wireless setup on hardy using the broadcom fwcutter drivers
[18:04] <hwilde> !broadcom
[18:04] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[18:04] <adinc> hwilde: i had set this already
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> I hate broadcom and belkin too much to help you
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> :D
[18:04] <hwilde> how about dlink lol
[18:04] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm
[18:05] <zorglu_> q. when is the next ubuntu release ?
[18:05] <hwilde> !topic
[18:05] <anolis> zorglu_, 31 days
[18:05] <zorglu_> anolis: ok thanks
[18:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[18:06] <zorglu_> :))
[18:06] <zorglu_> i bet hwilde meant to say that the answer to my question was in the topic :)
[18:07] <hwilde> I guess it's not
[18:07] <hwilde> it used to be
[18:07] <hwilde> !hardy
[18:07] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:07] <hwilde> there you go
[18:07] <pro-rsoft> Is firefox 3.0 pre really going to be included in Hardy? Tell me its not true. It's unstable, and many things do not work such as extensions, and lots of rich text editing controls, etc.
[18:08] <flipstar> having 3.0 doenst mean you cant use 2.0 :)
[18:09] <poseidon> hwilde, what will "poseidon, ifconfig eth1 up" do?  I want to make sure I get it right so that way I don't have to reboot twice to ask you another question :)
[18:09] <pro-rsoft> flipstar, it does mean ubuntu ships by default with unstable and immature software
[18:09] <pro-rsoft> well, at least its a good thing they got rid of gnome-baker and serpentine.
[18:09] <hwilde> poseidon, if the interface is down,      sudo ifconfig [interface] up     will re-enable it
[18:09] <adinc> wobbly plugin is cool
[18:09] <flipstar> just ask in a month again..then we'll know
[18:10] <poseidon> hwilde, thanks
[18:10] <poseidon> I'll try that
[18:10] <hwilde> poseidon, if you're online now it shouldn't hurt
[18:10] <poseidon> hwilde, I dualboot, I'm on xp right now
[18:11] <orkun> hey there - evolution seems to always wanna use the first of my three accounts to send email via smtp - regardless which from setting i choose while composing mail. help
[18:14] <adinc> the whole problem with the window decroation is because of the Reflection plugin, when enabled the decoration gets transparent
[18:15] <hwilde> brilliant!
[18:20] <hwilde> who changed the windows macro on ubuntu
[18:20] <hwilde> that used to be funny about the mental health thing
[18:22] <hwilde> it used to say something about contacting a local mental health practitioner
[18:23] <m1r> hello
[18:28] <adinc> i can't listen to mp3 music, it claims that codecs aare missing, which packages do i have to install for it?
[18:28] <hwilde> !mp3 | adinc
[18:28] <ubotu> adinc: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:29] <adinc> hwilde: ok, thank you
[18:32] <m1r> i have problems with wireless usb adapter. it gets detected but after it conects to network it drops out. it was working on 7.10 corectly. any way how to detect problem ?
[18:34] <oxigen> adinc: install ubuntustudio
[18:34] <adinc> ubuntustudio?
[18:34] <adinc> ahh ok
[18:34] <oxigen> yea, that rocks!
[18:35] <adinc> when talking about packages like ubuntustudio can i always go with aptitude or should i use the graphical package manager?
[18:35] <oxigen> apt is ok
[18:36] <adinc> is someone here who makes use of a iwl3945 intel wireless device?
[18:36] <g-d> just ask your question
[18:37] <oxigen> how to install java plugin for firefox on 64 bit ubuntu? :P
[18:37] <adinc> when i load the kernel module iwl3945.ko it loads ok without errors, but when i configure this device with iwconfig syslog logs messages that the microcode is wrong, although i copied a fresh one from intellinux
[18:37] <hwilde> !java | oxigen
[18:37] <ubotu> oxigen: To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[18:38] <adinc> i suppose this is this bug, but no solution till nowhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185470
[18:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[18:39] <adinc> cool that bot is intelligent
[18:39] <m1r> how can i detect why my wireless usb adapter is droping conection after it conect ? it was working on 7.10 without any problem.
[18:40] <adinc> oxigen: ubuntustudio is a distributino?
[18:41] <oxigen> it's a distribution too, yes
[18:41] <vlt> Hello. What am I doing wrong when `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` only lets me setup kbd settings but not video card?
[18:41] <adinc> i see, but i suppose the tools which are availeable there i could also install on ubuntu itself can't i
[18:42] <BrianG> what is the default location of the Ubuntu splash screen for Gnome? i know i have to use gconf editor blah blah blah but i am looking for the default path to the Hardy splash screen.. my splash_image key is blank and shows the default gnome one
[18:43] <oxigen> adinc: apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[18:44] <sourcemaker2> I have installed the new kubuntu beta using encrypted file system via LVM... because I will test the feature of encrypted file systems... The performance now of my system is not really usable...
[18:44] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: what system you running ?
[18:44] <sourcemaker2> Athlon 3,2 and 2 GB RAM
[18:45] <flipstar> hm not really bad
[18:45] <sourcemaker2> the process kcryptd always requires 50%...
[18:45] <sourcemaker2> i have a sata hard disk with 250GB
[18:45] <flipstar> always..? then something is wrong i guess
[18:46] <sourcemaker2> well... lets say... I am unzipping a 5G file now...
[18:46] <flipstar> what it is in MB/s ? find out with dd or so
[18:46] <sourcemaker2> how can I do this?
[18:46] <oxigen> thanks hwilde!
[18:46] <flipstar> dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/<partition>/testfile
[18:47] <flipstar> then break after 10-15 seconds
[18:47] <sourcemaker2> dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.txt right?
[18:47] <oxigen> but i still didn't find any user who have installed (working) FF java plugin
[18:48] <oxigen> on 64bit
[18:48] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: better give a path
[18:48] <Tailsfan> Hello, I was running Ubuntu Hardy using Wubi, but I can't get my Broadcom Driver to work, is there anyway to fix this
[18:49] <syke> hi!
[18:49] <flipstar> guess there is a better way with 'time' but im not familiar with that
[18:49] <syke> is this the right place to discuss the kde4 for kubuntu hardy?
[18:50] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: 648226+0 records in 648226+0 records out 331891712 bytes (332 MB) copied, 10,9647 s, 30,3 MB/s
[18:50] <flipstar> thats not bad..
[18:50] <evand> Tailsfan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:51] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: so where is the problem of my system?
[18:52] <flipstar> dont know much about the new encyption system..
[18:52] <flipstar> try a lsmod |grep aes
[18:52] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: aes_i586               33536  2
[18:52] <flipstar> maybe you can use aes586 instead of aes
[18:52] <flipstar> oh
[18:54] <vlt> Hello. How can I configure my video card and resolution from shell?
[18:54] <cyclonut> vlt, you can edit xorg.conf
[18:55] <adinc> my notebook has two buttons for brightness, knoppix does make use of it, can i also get ubuntu to have them work
[18:59] <MTecknology> reinstall fixed my issue with X - idk how it'll fair after a restart since I did all the udates
[19:03] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: I have tested the performance with dd between encrypted and plain... encrypted = plain * 2 :-)
[19:03] <TCMC2010> where is xmms package on Hardy ?!
[19:03] <TCMC2010> :-P
[19:03] <cyclonut> MTecknology, yeah, thats the scary part, eh?
[19:04] <fromport> !xmms
[19:04] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[19:04] <fromport> it's been replaced by audacious (a fork i learned this week) or you could try xmms2
[19:05] <MTecknology> cyclonut, ya - i need this system working properly :S perhaps going to 8.04 wasn't the greatest idea - but o well
[19:05] <MTecknology> we'll see
[19:05] <TCMC2010> in xmms2, I can't change alsa default soundboard!
[19:05] <tanner> anyone have problems with VMware and 8.04 loss of keyboard functionality?
[19:05] <TCMC2010> maybe editing .config/xmms2/xmms2.conf !?
[19:05] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: yes../dev/zero are just simple zeros..between two encrypted drives the performance would be whole different
[19:05] <mcquaid__> i need a more full xorg.conf instead of hardy's minimal xorg.conf
[19:05] <cyclonut> MTecknology, I did the same thing. I worked hard at it for a day, and now I have a stable system
[19:06] <cyclonut> MTecknology, but that day was scary.
[19:06] <mcquaid__> can that be generated?
[19:06] <cyclonut> MTecknology, they mean it when they say not to upgrade production machines :-P
[19:06] <mcquaid__> i need to disable aiglx among other things
[19:06] <matjan_work> tanner, i also have that problem with gutsy on my thinkpad
[19:06] <cyclonut> mcquaid__, you can just add in what you need
[19:06] <adinc> the default user which ubuntu created for me had a root terminal on the application->system tools menu, but now after i deleted this because of compiz problem the new user hasn't got this anymore
[19:06] <tanner> matjan_work: t61p?
[19:06] <matjan_work> t61
[19:06] <matjan_work> no p
[19:07] <tanner> close enough; yeah.. its rather annoying having to restart x after using vmware
[19:08] <matjan_work> tanner, ahh... it is not that bad on mine... i only lose the keyboard in the virtual machine sometimes... i do not need to restart x
[19:08] <matjan_work> still annoying though
[19:08] <tanner> on mine i am unable to even activate the caps lock key, no shift key or anything of that sort
[19:09] <matjan_work> i see
[19:09] <cyclonut> has anyone moved to conky 1.5?
[19:10] <matjan_work> tanner, did you look for how to solve this problen?
[19:10] <tanner> i have been unable to find any solutions
[19:11] <matjan_work> ok
[19:11] <tanner> have you?
[19:14] <matjan_work> tanner, no
[19:16] <cyclonut> the onslaught of ignorance in #ubuntu is stunning
[19:17] <Lynoure> cyclonut: you can help them by pointing them to sources of information
[19:17] <tanner> what specifically are you referring to?
[19:18] <nife> Is anyone else seeing that OO won't start giving the error javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!
[19:18] <cyclonut> Lynoure, I can usually handle it, its just I frustrating when people endlessly repeat questions, type like they are 8 years old, or refuse to do some looking on their own.
[19:19] <HardyOne> nife, OO is running stunningly quick here
[19:19] <Grosso> I have Hardy 64 bits and Firefox 32 bits.  what Java plugin should I install to see Java Applets in Firefox?
[19:19] <HardyOne> !java
[19:19] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[19:20] <nife> HardyOne: Darn.  nope I've got sun's java working well as I have eclipse open
[19:20] <graft_> yo, so when I try to do "Settings -> Repositories" in synaptic, it says: "ImportError: No module named softwareproperties.gtk.SoftwarePropertiesGtk
[19:20] <graft_> anyone know how to solve this issue?
[19:21] <graft_> or, instead, some other convenient way to find out the best ubuntu mirror for me?
[19:21] <Lynoure> cyclonut: I know, that's why I decided to take a vacation from it three weeks ago. I recommend the same if it gets too stressful
[19:21] <Neowam> hi all
[19:21] <Neowam> i am n00b here, vista user, first time ubuntu user... having prob with sound device, intel board Intel® Desktop Board DG965SS, only hearing some stuttering, somebody can help me? version 8.04 beta
[19:22] <graft_> Neowam: if you're a first-time ubuntu user, wouldn't you be better off with a stable release rather than an unstable beta?
[19:22] <Neowam> 7.10 was not running at all.. only black screen
[19:22] <Neowam> therefor i installed beta 8.04
[19:22] <graft_> even off the livecd?
[19:22] <vlt> cyclonut: In xorg.conf there's a section "Screen" -> "Configured Monitor", "Configured Video Device". Neither in section "Device" nor in "Monitor" there's any data ... What's wrong here?
[19:23] <Neowam> graft: both mate
[19:23] <cyclonut> vlt: nothing, that is X configuring itself. If you wish to override it's settings, provide your own there.
[19:23] <cyclonut> Lynoure, I think that is brilliant advice.
[19:23] <Neowam> graft_: all is working fine futher... only the sound is not working... when playing, i hear only stuttering...
[19:24] <Neowam> graft_: i tried updates and searching new hardware updates, but that is not working
[19:24] <graft_> Neowam: stuttering like, it's clearly audio, but it's borked, or stuttering like, it might be white noise you're wishing were audio?
[19:24] <vlt> cyclonut: Aah, I see. What should I do to make X work? What's happened to good ol' `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`?
[19:25] <Neowam> graft_: no, only a noise sound... lets say 800khz
[19:25] <Neowam> graft_: continousluy
[19:25] <Lynoure> cyclonut: Thanks. :) And one can always go back, at some point. Post-release help can be quite satisfying, sometimes.
[19:25] <graft_> Neowam: hmm... but clearly something different from when you're not playing
[19:25] <graft_> Neowam: what are you testing audio with?
[19:26] <Neowam> graft_: vlc player, video is playing ok, but sound not...
[19:26] <cyclonut> vlt, thats still there, I havent had to do any fiddling with X in the past 8 months or so, so I am rusty. However, if you have an old X file to work off of, you might take some settings from there.
[19:26] <graft_> Neowam: try something more low-level, like alsaplayer in the shell
[19:27] <vlt> cyclonut: I only have this "empty" one. I don't know where to start.
[19:27] <vlt> Can anyone point me in the rigth direction configuring X?
[19:28] <Neowam> graft_: trying now... hold on... i installed it already now
[19:28] <bluefoxx> will
[19:28] <bluefoxx> a ISA sound card work in hardy?
[19:28] <graft_> wow
[19:29] <Neowam> graft_: dont hear anything... only silence sound...
[19:29] <graft_> is there even ISA kernel support any more?
[19:29] <Neowam> i think playing video is sturbing my sound
[19:29] <flipstar> !hardware | bluefoxx
[19:29] <ubotu> bluefoxx: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[19:29] <graft_> Neowam: see who's using your audio right now, lsof /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <bluefoxx> also, i cannot seem to boot 8.04 off of a scsi hard disk, anything on that?
[19:30] <graft_> Neowam: probably that's the right command, might depend on your system
[19:30] <tmh__> why can't I get apache2 to listen to ipv6?
[19:30] <Neowam> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[19:30] <Neowam> alsaplaye 7129 werner  mem    CHR 116,16      12025 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <Neowam> alsaplaye 7129 werner    4u   CHR 116,16      12025 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[19:30] <tanner> where do the mplayer codecs go for ubuntu?
[19:30] <adinc> how can i get a particular application to appear in Applications->System Tools? I would like to have a root terminal there
[19:30] <cyclonut> vlt, http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[19:31] <graft_> Neowam: urm. that gets you nothing, uh? are you sure your mixer volume is up?
[19:32] <Neowam> graft_: yup mate, at the full 100%
[19:32] <graft_> tanner: /usr/lib/codecs
[19:32] <Neowam> also no red mute icon
[19:32] <graft_> Neowam: and you're sure it recognizes your audio hardware? does aplay -l list your devices?
[19:32] <tanner> graft_: tried that, no go :-\
[19:33] <graft_> Neowam: make sure in alsamixer, sometimes not all of the right channels are on
[19:33] <graft_> tanner: what do you mean, no go?
[19:33] <tanner> graft_: i play all the codec files in there, and i am unable to play the related media
[19:33] <tanner> its as if mplayer is not finding the codecs directory
[19:34] <Infecto> tanner: mplayer will tell you where he search and dont find
[19:35] <Infecto> tanner: you have coddec pack  (all) from mplayer site?
[19:35] <tanner> let me double check
[19:37] <tanner> i have the essentials from mplayerhq, also other *.dll files in the codecs directory
[19:37] <tanner> erm, that may be why
[19:37] <tanner> "enable it at compilation"
[19:38] <graft> the mplayer from the repository should find 'em in /usr/lib/codecs
[19:38] <Neowam> graft_: hi mate, no any sound... i enabled all below... hardware ID: HDA Intel.. is that right?
[19:38] <tanner> http://pastebin.com/m9f785c0
[19:39] <Neowam> graft_: master, PCM all up, without red crosses below the volume slides
[19:40] <Neowam> graft_: weird of all is that I see all the famous things as the same in Vista, like front mic, back mic, so the hardware looks like reconized
[19:41] <graft> yeah there's definitely kernel support for your audio hardware
[19:41] <graft> possible this is software level stuff
[19:42] <graft> something that MIGHT work is trying to play through the alsa OSS wrapper
[19:42] <Neowam> is that going deeply?
[19:44] <graft> nah, it's pretty easy
[19:44] <graft> and it's actually going through another redirection layer... but it might work
[19:44] <HardyOne> are there any blog applets that sit in panel that support uploading images?
[19:44] <graft> with like a 4% probability
[19:45] <graft> Neowam: just install alsa-oss, then try like aoss mplayer -ao oss <your test file>
[19:45] <Neowam> graft: i just installed it
[19:46] <sourcemaker2> how can I mount the encrypted file system manually?
[19:46] <flipstar> sourcemaker2: its probably in /dev/mapper
[19:47] <sourcemaker2> flipstar: does the kernel automatically detects encrypted file systems? Let's say... I create a new encrypted file system... how to configure that there is a /dev/mapper entry?
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: nothing to hear... :(
[19:48] <fromport> /dev/mapper/sda10_crypt
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: /media/Data & Downloads/Mp3/Engelstalig/[M] Hillsong/Live/[2005] God he reigns/04 - Emmanuel.mp3
[19:48] <Neowam> graft: Forced audio codec: mad
[19:48] <Neowam> Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder
[19:48] <Neowam> AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 320.0 kbit/22.68% (ratio: 40000->176400)
[19:48] <Neowam> Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3)
[19:49] <graft> Neowam: pastebin that man
[19:49] <graft> !pastebin > Neowam
[19:49] <flipstar> which encryption method is is using anyway..?
[19:49] <fromport> cryptsetup                   2:1.0.5-2ubuntu9             configures encrypted block devices
[19:50] <Neowam> graft: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60905/
[19:50] <flipstar> luks ?
[19:50] <fromport> Cryptsetup is a command-line interface for configuring encrypted block devices via dm-crypt, a kernel device-mapper target.
[19:51] <flipstar> ..
[19:51] <sourcemaker2> fromport: thanks
[19:51] <Neowam> graft: thanks, handy service that paste :)
[19:51] <fromport> /usr/sbin/luksformat is included in the package ;-)
[19:52] <flipstar> cool :=)
[19:52] <tanner> anyway to use win32 with x86-64?
[19:55] <graft> Neowam: welp, i'm stumped, man
[19:55] <fromport> tanner: with the right cpu you could use hardware virtualisation (kvm/xen) to run windows inside hardy
[19:56] <tanner> fromport: certainly, however thats a tad excessive for a few videos
[19:56] <Neowam> graft: hehe...
[19:56] <Neowam> graft: i dont really no why this is not working, i just rebooted to vista, all is working fine...
[19:56] <sourcemaker2> is there an official date for the kubuntu 8.04 release?
[19:57] <sourcemaker2> not BETA release
[19:57] <Neowam> april 2008
[19:57] <sourcemaker2> Neowam: cool... thanks
[19:57] <Neowam> sourcemaker: yw
[19:57] <fromport> that wasn't in you question ! "anyway to use win32 with x86-64
[19:57] <graft> sourcemaker2: 8.04 means 2008, April (fourth month) - all versions are titled that way
[19:58] <Neowam> ok :)
[19:58] <sourcemaker2> Neowam: when I use the beta... I installed 1 hour ago... then I only have to apt the new packages?
[19:58] <graft> Neowam: yeah seems like it should work fine... can you at least get some audio, if you do something nutty like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp?
[19:58] <Neowam> graft: i give it a try hold on
[19:58] <graft> frankly I've always been appalled by how crappy the whole audio regime is in linux
[19:58] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, to install new things, sure, you can just use apt
[19:58] <graft> Neowam: be prepared to kill it quickly!
[19:59] <TCMC2010> good infos on crypt with luks on ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404346
[19:59] <cyclonut> graft, arent they making headway, though, with pulse?
[19:59] <tanner> fromport: sorry, i was referring to the win32codecs
[19:59] <TCMC2010> another http://johnleach.co.uk/words/archives/2006/12/06/245/
[19:59] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: that's pretty fine... so I can install the beta on my notebook... and when the offical release is out... I only update the software components... reinstall or dist-upgrade is not required?
[19:59] <graft> cyclonut: pulse seems cool... but it's built on top of alsa anyway, so... if the roots are rotten, i dunno
[20:00] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, correct. I personally like to do a fresh install, but it is not necessary.
[20:00] <cyclonut> graft, wise saying
[20:01] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: why do you personally like to do a fresh install? I have then installed the beta or are there big differences between beta and stable release?
[20:01] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, honestly, its because I usually take my 'beta time' to play, and tinker really hard with the install.
[20:02] <tmh__> any news on the sound breakage that's happening on at least Intel HDA soundcards?
[20:02] <graft> sourcemaker2: some packages won't overwrite pre-existing defaults, so an upgrade is not necessarily identical to a fresh install
[20:02] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, I tend to mess things up, and then do a fresh install, and apply only the things that I know work.
[20:02] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, that said, I have NEVER had luck with a dist-upgrade.
[20:03] <graft> sourcemaker2: for example, in the way your panel is organized - if you already have an existing panel config, an upgrade won't change that
[20:03] <graft> sourcemaker2: so you wouldn't see the system "as intended" for the final release
[20:03] <cyclonut> tmh__, i've had no breakage.
[20:04] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: so should create a extra patition for my home data... so that I can always do a fresh install
[20:04] <graft> does anyone know anything about /usr/share/pyshared vs. /usr/share/pycentral?
[20:04] <Neowam> graft: can i try the alsa driver project?
[20:04] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, they say thats always a good idea. Personally, I jsut back up with an external HDD
[20:04] <HardyOne> tmh__, I suspect next kernel upgrade will fix it
[20:05] <adinc> i somehow need to get the root user terminal in application->system tools can someone help me restoring it?
[20:05] <HardyOne> bug 200388
[20:05] <ubotu> Bug 200388 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/200388 is private
[20:05] <sourcemaker2> cyclonut: can I reinstall my current applications I use... without reselect them with apt...
[20:05] <HardyOne> oops bug 200338
[20:05] <tanner> how can i build a 32bit mplayer
[20:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[20:06] <HardyOne> hmmm fix is released
[20:06] <graft> Neowam: how do you mean?
[20:06] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, I think theres a way... hold on
[20:06] <graft> Neowam: you mean installing new alsa drivers?
[20:06] <Neowam> yes
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: yes
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: compile does not work ... mmm
[20:06] <Neowam> graft: sudo ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) does not work
[20:07] <graft> Neowam: you need all them kernel headers, did you install those packages?
[20:07] <Neowam> mmm ok, let met check
[20:07] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, there is a way to do it, but I'm not sure about how
[20:07] <cyclonut> sourcemaker2, sorry
[20:15] <adinc> not possible to have a Terminal as Root again in the Applications menu?
[20:18] <sourcemaker2> I have a harddisk with 250 GB... is it fine to separate this hardisk into 2 patitions? using 200GB for all my data and 50 GB for the os?
[20:18] <eternal_p> g' afternoon all..I am running into a small compile program, (in pastbin in a second):
[20:18] <tmh__> cyclonut: you have Intel HDA soundcard?
[20:18] <tmh__> HardyOne: any background on this?
[20:18] <cyclonut> aye
[20:19] <HardyOne> tmh__, I do have that card but still no sound
[20:19] <cyclonut> I have it, i have sound
[20:19] <eternal_p> pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m5d23f260
[20:19] <tmh__> well damn, I wonder how that's possible
[20:20] <HardyOne> cyclonut, you in the mood for some sound debugging/fixing :)
[20:20] <cyclonut> HardyOne, I can try to do my part
[20:20] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: that is what I do
[20:20] <eternal_p> I have /boot at 100mb, /swap at 2gigs, / as 10 and /home as the rest
[20:21] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p:  for the moment... all my data are stored in one patition... so reinstall kubuntu always takes a long time to restore my personal data from backup :-)
[20:21] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: I will try this
[20:21] <werner_> graft: is works!!!
[20:21] <HardyOne> sound was working fine for me when I first installed . not sure what happened that broke it
[20:21] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: just remember on a new install, just uncheck "format" on your /home partition ;)
[20:22] <graft> werner_: building the new drivers worked? nice!
[20:22] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: year... i should uncheck this ;-)
[20:22] <werner_> huh? i am werner
[20:22] <werner_> not neowam
[20:22] <werner_> lol
[20:22] <werner_> yes, installed 1.16 alsa drivers
[20:22] <eternal_p> anyone have any ideas on my issue? :)
[20:22] <sourcemaker2> eternal_p: when I use the encrypted file system feature... how do I backup the data also encrypted?
[20:23] <werner_> graft: can you send this bug fix to ubuntu development team?
[20:23] <eternal_p> sourcemaker2: I have never tried it so I don't know, sorry
[20:23] <graft> werner_: enh not interested... but you can if you want :)
[20:23] <cyclonut> HardyOne, yeah, mines been working since install
[20:23] <werner_> graft: lol; how i can do that?
[20:24] <graft> werner_: launchpad.net, i'd probably file it against alsa-base
[20:24] <HardyOne> thinking of just doing a fresh install and putting /home on it's own anyway
[20:25] <graft> werner_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/
[20:25] <werner_> cool mate
[20:25] <werner_> graft: thanks for your support
[20:25] <graft> werner_: good on you for filing bugs :)
[20:26] <werner_> graft: hehe... i am beta tester for windows helpdesk software, so i like to discover :)
[20:27] <Neowam> graft_: the new desktop; do you know the shortkeys?
[20:27] <graft> eternal_p: surely you installed libcairo2-dev?
[20:28] <graft> Neowam: for gnome? nope
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: windows tab is working, but i saw the youtube vs aero... wanna try that too :P
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: like 3d cube
[20:28] <graft> not sure what you mean, Neowam
[20:28] <graft> oh ah... cube rotation is i think ctrl+alt+drag mouse on the desktop
[20:28] <Neowam> graft: on youtube you have ubuntu vs aero desktop
[20:29] <sourcemaker2> can I change the passphrase of my encrypted file system?
[20:29] <eternal_p> graft: but of course
[20:29] <cyclonut> HardyOne, if you want me to check anything on my setup, feel free to ask
[20:30] <eternal_p> graft: give me a little credit :)
[20:30] <HardyOne> cyclonut, I am going to do a fresh install
[20:30] <HardyOne> thanks anyway bud
[20:31] <graft> eternal_p: yeah, i'm just stabbing in the dark, since i dunno what you're compiling here... that's the only reference i can find to that variable, tho
[20:31] <eternal_p> graft: Gnusticker
[20:31] <adinc> not possible to have a Terminal as Root again in the Applications menu?
[20:31] <graft> eternal_p: you could try editing that file and just changing ATSUI to QUARTZ, whatever that means
[20:31] <eternal_p> all I ask is for a scrolling, multiple feed desktop RSS ticker ,and I can't find one :)
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: there's a kde4 plasmoid that does that
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: not pretty, but it seems to work
[20:32] <eternal_p> graft: on gnome?
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: kde4
[20:32] <eternal_p> graft: yup, but I'm running gnome
[20:32] <eternal_p> KDE4 lasted about 15mins until I got annoyed and went back to gnome :)
[20:32] <graft> eternal_p: that was your first mistake!
[20:33] <graft> yeah, not quite there yet... but it has tons of promise
[20:33] <graft> seems to be a weird mix of hopelessly broken and incredibly cool
[20:33] <eternal_p> graft: right, but I'm very comfortable in gnome, took me a total of 30mins to get it exactly how I like it, can't ask for more than that
[20:33] <eternal_p> just missing a RSS scrolling news ticker,lol
[20:34] <eternal_p> or at least get google to update google desktop and then I don't have to worry
[20:34] <ulo> hi folks.  my hardy gdm is not using my french keyboard layout but qwerty instead.  where do I go to change this?  everything is fine after login
[20:34] <graft> ulo: isn't there some system preferences for gdm?
[20:35] <ulo> graft: I don't see any that affect the keyboard layout
[20:35] <Lynoure> ulo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf has keyboard section, check that first
[20:35] <ulo> Lynoure: checking...
[20:35] <eternal_p> i'm out...thanks any ways!
[20:35] <Lynoure> I had it behaving very weirdly when I had an unknown variant there last time.
[20:36] <ompaul> ulo, as you go to log in you can choose the keymap for the log in screen
[20:37] <ulo> ompaul: but I don't want to do this every time!
[20:38] <ulo> Lynoure: thanks, I changed xorg.conf, we'll see if it works next time I reboot (or logout)
[20:38] <ompaul> ulo, it locks and loads to a default setting
[20:38] <ulo> ompaul: ok, I'll check it out if Lynoure's solution doesn't work
[20:38] <ulo> thank you all!
[20:38] <ompaul> cheers
[20:38] <ompaul> hers will
[20:39] <ompaul> Lynoure, I found that doing ltsp on a work network ;-)
[20:39] <graft> yeah i just found a launchpad thread saying Lynoure's solution will work
[20:40] <Lynoure> I just tested it myself two weeks ago. Did not ever try changing it from kdm menus, as I use a self-made variant (FI lyndvorak)
[20:40] <graft> you have your own keyboard layout?
[20:40] <nomentero> adinc: open a terminal:sudo alacarte    .......then go to system tools and activate the root terminal
[20:41] <Amaranth> no no no no no no no no no
[20:41] <Amaranth> STOP
[20:41] <Amaranth> _never_ run alacarte as root
[20:42] <adinc> nomentero: so as what then? normal user
[20:42] <Lynoure> ompaul: any idea by the way how to get console-setup to accept a modified xkb layout? it works fine in x, but I guess console-setup uses pre-generated maps and puts them somewhere...
[20:42] <adinc> nomentero: thank you very much
[20:42] <nomentero> :-)
[20:43] <Lynoure> Seems that they keyboard layout stuff always changes ever so slightly between releases.
[20:43] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[20:43] <adinc> Amaranth: i run alcarte as normal user
[20:43] <ompaul> Lynoure, in ubuntu I found that the kb followed the X setup - and I always set it up how I wanted it from scratch
[20:44] <ompaul> Lynoure, moving to gnu/linux broke my gnu/freebsd memories
[20:44] <Lynoure> ompaul: it did not seem to do that in hardy anymore...
[20:44] <ompaul> Lynoure, ack will test /me grabs minimal
[20:45] <ompaul> Lynoure, for (hopefully) obvious reasons I want hardy to work
[20:45] <Lynoure> ompaul: I mean, in the console. I could define the xkb stuff to use in that file, but that only works if it's a pre-existing layout... in gutsy self-modified ones worked fine too.
[20:45] <ompaul> yeap
[20:45] <ompaul> let me go poke
[20:45] <Lynoure> I can live with uk dvorak for console, just missing on ä and ö then
[20:46] <Lynoure> I'm off to sleep soonish, though.
[20:46] <ompaul> ack
[20:47] <ompaul> stupid shuttle bios - no keyboard press F1
[20:47] <Lynoure> that's a classic
[20:48] <graft> anyone know how long this firefox-3 beta cycle is supposed to laste?
[20:51] <Lynoure> graft: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule might be the closest anyone knows
[20:54] <graft> dangit - that's not a schedule, that's a history!
[20:54] <Lynoure> graft: common with open source projects. Closed source ones often have fiction schedules instead
[20:55] <graft> haha
[20:56] <poseidon> So does anyone know how I can get the wireless configuration manager back?
[20:57] <Tuv0k> !NetManager
[20:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netmanager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:57] <Tuv0k> !wifi
[20:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:00] <graft> !NetworkManager
[21:00] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[21:02] <Tuv0k> ty
[21:02] <orkun> hey there - formated hard drive - this time hardy instead of gutsy - before I had in deluge and rhythmbox big icons and no text - now i can only get small icons and adjust the text globally so that evolution gets screwed :) was not there a way to adjust that? apart from that i know i removed plenty of buttons in deluge - how did i do that? ^^
[21:02] <Lynoure> poseidon: if you mean back as in the applet back, and in kde, type knetworkmanager on the command line, something similar probably for gnome, unless things are messed up deeply
[21:03] <Tuv0k> for gnome type NetworkManager at the cli
[21:04] <Lynoure> ompaul: If anything, either way, turns out in the exploring of kb layouts, please let me know. I'm off to sleep but Lynoure: or messages reach me
[21:04] <orkun> hmm nautilus is different too - any place to play around with the toolbars other than preferences > appearance > interface?
[21:04] <poseidon> Lynoure, will that reinstall the network manager module as the network manager module works, just not correctly.  I can open it up, it just doesn't give any options for wireless connections.
[21:05] <Lynoure> poseidon: no, just load it... you just asked how to get it back. Can't troubleshoot now, really need to sleep
[21:06] <Lynoure> poseidon: but, sometimes the problem is as simple as uncommented wlan nic in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:06] <_Angelus_> guys
[21:07] <_Angelus_> does kubuntu beta has the restricted-drivers-manager yet?
[21:07] <_Angelus_> :/
[21:07] <Finnish> I'm on hardy. Firefox is not playing WMV-files
[21:07] <Finnish> What to do
[21:08] <graft> install mozilla-mplayer?
[21:08] <HardyOne> !mplayer
[21:08] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[21:10] <slaytanic> If I install the hardy beta, will I need to dist-upgrade when the final version comes out?
[21:11] <orkun> what do you mean by dist upgrade? there is nothing bad on a dist-upgrade :>
[21:11] <ethana2> slaytanic: probably not
[21:11] <ethana2> partial upgrades perhaps
[21:11] <ethana2> but nothing like a full blown dist upgrade
[21:11] <_Angelus_> so, any response about the resitriced-manager ?
[21:11] <_Angelus_> :/
[21:11] <slaytanic> Great. Thanks.
[21:11] <orkun> id also say probably not as there wont be 500 updates waiting for you
[21:11] <graft> wtf? of course you should dist-upgrade when the final version comes out
[21:12] <orkun> he did not ask whether he should - he asked whether there is one waiting for him :)
[21:12] <ethana2> it's the same distribution though
[21:12] <orkun> but iirc there is one waiting for you after you install the actual beta
[21:12] <ethana2> hmm
[21:12] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: no idea, sorry, I use kubuntu but not closed drivers
[21:12] <orkun> dist upgrade is just packages being held back to be run after you ran upgrade
[21:13] <orkun> nothing to do with huge or not huge - just making upgrading smoother
[21:13] <slaytanic> mmm
[21:13] <orkun> most of the upgrades in there are even unimportant in my experience - the critical ones get updated in ¨upgrade" according to my knowledge :>
[21:14] <orkun> but iirc after installing beta i upgraded maybe a hundred packages via upgrade and maybe 6 via dist upgrade - but i could be wrong as i very fast enable restricted extras and medibuntu and get huge apt-get installs
[21:15] <graft> a few hundred packages is no big deal... just go get a sandwich and it'll be done when you get back, usually
[21:15] <orkun> but dont feel bad to install the beta now slaytanic - as it wont be like an upgrade from win98 to winXP with ubuntu. after upgrading to final u wont know how you got to have the final. there is no difference in a so called "clean" install(or should not according to my knowledge)
[21:16] <_Angelus_> orkun:  if you wanna give it a try its really ease
[21:16] <graft> there is often a difference in a 'clean' install
[21:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, try aptitude -- it does dependencies better.
[21:16] <_Angelus_> orkun:  download the live cd, install it from winxp without any modification to the partitions
[21:16] <_Angelus_> :p
[21:16] <DanaG> Just 'sudo aptitude' in a console.
[21:17] <orkun> yeah like having a kernel more graft  >:)
[21:17] <graft> aptitude does dependencies better?
[21:17] <graft> as far as i understand, aptitude is just a front-end to apt-get
[21:18] <slaytanic> aptitude does things like keeping a list of the packages you explicitly installed.
[21:19] <charles__> when I go to system:preferences:sound and hit test on sound playback I get: gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[21:20] <charles__> I get the same thing with pulseaudio selected
[21:20] <charles__> if I select alsa, I get sound
[21:20] <charles__> and, gnome apps all fail to play sound with the same Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument error
[21:22] <graft> slaytanic: as opposed to stuff that got installed automatically?
[21:23] <slaytanic> graft: Yep. It helps in removing the cruft when you uninstall something afterwards.
[21:26] <vlt> Hello. I installed Hardy and got several issues: Video driver is shoen as
[21:26] <vlt> ooops
[21:26] <flipstar> as ooops ?
[21:27] <vlt> ... VESA generic instead of intel GM965
[21:27] <adinc> during the installation of ubuntu-restricted-extras my terminal crashed. it was downloading some fonts, when i now reinstall this package it doesn't download the fonts anymore, can i have it redownload again?
[21:28] <vlt> I got blurry fonts (maybe that's related) and the wifi chip doesn't work (Atheros AR242x in lspci).
[21:29] <flipstar> adinc: if you want to redownload (which makes no sence to me) you must clean the cache in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:29] <flipstar> vlt: did you already installed the graphic drivers ?
[21:29] <adinc> flipstar: there i did delete thearchive, but i'm talking about a download which the package initiates from a different site
[21:29] <Finnish> I have a Sitecom 112 WLAN-card in my laptop, how do I know it is working?
[21:30] <Stavros> hello
[21:30] <Stavros> how can i install kde 4?
[21:30] <vlt> flipstar: Not explicitly. How should I do this?
[21:30] <Stavros> oops
[21:30] <flipstar> adinc: starting the package again doesnt help ?
[21:30] <flipstar> vlt: use the driver manager
[21:31] <adinc> flipstar: no, unfortunately not. i removed it with aptitutde and then installed it again with aptitude. it installes it but the initial download process which looks like a wget doesn't start again
[21:31] <flipstar> Stavros: tutorial in #kubuntu-kde4 topic
[21:32] <Stavros> oh, thanks
[21:32] <vlt> flipstar: I opened the driver manager. Atheros HAL and 802.11 support are enabled. No video card entry.
[21:32] <flipstar> adinc: maybe you should remove it completly aka purge it
[21:32] <poseidon> I installed hardy heron, and my internet connection worked great, but when I went to reboot it didn't even give me the option to enable wireless networks, nor did it give me the option to manually edit my wireless networks.  however if I went to admin->network info (I think it was that) it showed me the preveus network I used to connect to the interenet.
[21:32] <adinc> flipstar: how, like aptitude remove ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[21:32] <adinc> i did this
[21:33] <flipstar> adinc: i prefer apt.. sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:33] <flipstar> vlt: hm maybe your graphic manufactor offers drivers..
[21:34] <sourcemaker> when I install the new kubuntu beta and use the encrypted file system... then it takes a long time to delete my patition... does it shred the data? And If yes... how does it do?
[21:34] <Finnish> lspci shows this: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI
[21:34] <adinc> flipstar: didin't make any change, still the same
[21:34] <leo_rockw> ahoy!
[21:34] <adinc> can i someohow force a package to be installed
[21:34] <Finnish> Do I need a driver for it, or is it automatically on=
[21:34] <Finnish> ?
[21:35] <vlt> flipstar: `aptitude search xorg | grep -i intel` shows me "i A xserver-xorg-video-intel".
[21:36] <flipstar> Finnish: you can try the driver manager as well
[21:37] <Finnish> flipstar: How?
[21:37] <leo_rockw> hello people. i have a question regarding the ati drivers. i am using fgrlx and i want to change it for the non-restricted ones, how do i go about that?
[21:37] <flipstar> vlt: then use this instead..but im not sure about 3d acceleration with this one..
[21:38] <leo_rockw> i'm guessing i have to edit xorg.conf, change fgrlx for smth else, but i don't know how the other drivers are even called
[21:39] <BusError> I have strange 'lockups' for a few seconds at a time every 10-15 or so using synergy; anyone is aware of that ?
[21:39] <TD-Linux> is hardy in a stable state atm? I'm planning to upgrade now, especially becaues I'm already using the new kernel and several other packages
[21:39] <TD-Linux> it seems to be with mostly good reports
[21:39] <flipstar> leo_rockw: theres ati, radeon, fglrx, vesa and the rest i forgot
[21:40] <Amaranth> Well it shouldn't change too much between now and the final release and ideally nothing would break but you never know
[21:40] <Finnish> Network-window shows Wireless network and roaming is enabled, so I think it is ok
[21:40] <BusError> I just upgraded to Hardy, and adept failed misarably; I had to go and recover the mess using aptitude
[21:40] <hspaans> leo_rockw: which card do you have?
[21:40] <leo_rockw> flipstar: fglrx is the one i'm using, and i'm pretty sure radeon doesn't work for me.
[21:41] <leo_rockw> hspaans: mobility x1400
[21:41] <flipstar> leo_rockw: just try ati for the ati drivers
[21:41] <flipstar> radoen selects automaticly afair
[21:41] <leo_rockw> flipstar: would i need to adjust anything else in xorg.conf?
[21:41] <hspaans> leo_rockw: radeonhd driver is needed
[21:42] <flipstar> you cant but i guess you dont have to
[21:42] <Amaranth> leo_rockw: you can't get acceleration for that card without fglrx
[21:42] <leo_rockw> hspaans: what's the name of the package for radeonhd? i never heard of those drivers
[21:42] <Infecto>  2.6.24.3
[21:42] <Infecto> i buidl my own kernel
[21:42] <vlt> flipstar: Xorg.0.log says "(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: ... 965GM ...", "(--) Chipset 965GM found", then "(WW) intel(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum" and "(WW) intel(0): EXA greedy mode enabled for i965 migration".
[21:42] <flipstar> leo_rockw: i jumped of from ati ages ago
[21:42] <Infecto> but its not the fresh one
[21:42] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: i know, but using fgrxl i can't close my laptop lid
[21:43] <hspaans> leo_rockw: Xorg -configure will genereate a new config file and its part of Xorg
[21:43] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: everything freezes
[21:43] <Infecto> hwo to udpate this?
[21:43] <leo_rockw> hspaans: thank you
[21:43] <Infecto> by apt or i must use git?
[21:43] <Amaranth> leo_rockw: in that case the 'ati' driver does do 2d acceleration
[21:43] <Amaranth> you don't want radeonhd
[21:43] <Amaranth> the ati/radeon driver supports everything radeonhd does
[21:43] <hspaans> leo_rockw: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[21:44] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: ok, i'll try the ati one then. i would like to get 3d acceleration, but right now being able to close the lid is more important
[21:44] <Amaranth> radeonhd == bad stuff
[21:44] <Amaranth> it does not have a reason for existence
[21:44] <leo_rockw> Amaranth: haha, ok
[21:44] <flipstar> vlt: sounds bad..X is not working with that .. ?
[21:45] <leo_rockw> thanks for your help guys
[21:45] <leo_rockw> going to restart X. brb
[21:46] <vlt> flipstar: "System settings" says "VESA (generic)". I got full resolution and GLX running, but blurry fonts. Any idea?
[21:47] <flipstar> vlt: you didnt changed to intel yet ?
[21:48] <gorthaug> hi
[21:48] <flipstar> vlt: change the video driver to intel..as you mentioned it exists
[21:49] <sourcemaker> when I create a new encrypted file system on patition... is shred required before I create the encFS? (to be 100% sure)
[21:50] <vlt> flipstar: Where exactly to do this? Just add "Driver intel" to the "Dvice" section in xorg.conf?
[21:50] <vlt> *Device
[21:50] <nemo> sourcemaker: ... of what? :)
[21:50] <sourcemaker> nemo: that nobody can restore the data
[21:50] <flipstar> vlt: yes in xorg.conf..just replace vesa with intel (i guess its intel, see the package describtion for details)
[21:50] <gorthaug> i'm with the 8.04 beta, and i've a problem with the sound in amsn... i've installed esdound-clients and i've changed to esdplay the player in amsn, but i don't have sound
[21:51] <synic> I just upgraded to hardy, and my sound no longer works.  It says it can't find the device.  The via82cxxx module is loaded... is there anything else it could be?
[21:51] <nemo> sourcemaker: ok. so you're worried that info you are about to move into this encrypted filesystem from an unencrypted home might remain outside it just with inode references removed?
[21:51] <nemo> sourcemaker: in which case, yes :)
[21:51] <vlt> flipstar: Currently there's no vesa entry. It just says "Configured Video Device"
[21:53] <sourcemaker> nemo: let's say... all my harddisk's are unencrypted... and now I all encrypt all my harddisks... should I shred the data... before I use the encrypted file system?
[21:54] <sourcemaker> nemo: sda1 plain -> copy sda1 to sdb1->encrypted...
[21:54]  * leo_rockw is back
[21:54] <sourcemaker> nemo: should I shred /sdb1 before creating the encFS on /dev/sdb1?
[21:55] <leo_rockw> fgrlxinfo says i'm using the Mesa drivers, that's not what i want, is it?
[22:11] <jin> when I click on QUIT, my system just hangs... and doesn't respond to any mouse action.. I have to do alt+ctrl+backspace to restart X. :(
[22:13] <mcquaid_> i'm running vnc like this on a beta hardy box: vnc4server :1 -depth 16 -geometry 1024x768
[22:14] <mcquaid_> i can login remotely, and most things are accessible, like synaptic so gksudo is fine, but i can't for example unlock in add users and groups
[22:16] <syke> hi
[22:17] <RAOF> mcquaid_: Hm.  That's kinda interesting.
[22:17] <syke> I've noticed that my powernowd seems to not be running
[22:17] <syke> I've tried restarting it, but it never comes up
[22:17] <syke> powernow_k8 module is lsited in lsmod
[22:17] <syke> this started a few weeks ago
[22:17] <syke> any ideas?
[22:18] <RAOF> mcquaid_: The policykit stuff requires that you have a DBUS session bus running properly.  You may need to start something different in the vnc session.
[22:18] <mcquaid_> yes it did mention something about that failing when i logged in
[22:19] <Finnish> How do I install Flash?
[22:19] <flipstar> sudo apt-get install -y flashplugin-nonfree
[22:20] <spiderfire> whats -y?
[22:20] <matjan> what would be the best way to install xp on a second physical hard drive?
[22:20] <spiderfire> assume yes
[22:20] <flipstar> correct
[22:20] <leo_rockw> spiderfire: yes :-P
[22:21] <flipstar> matjan: there is no best way to install windows
[22:21] <Finnish> flipstar: Thanks
[22:21] <spiderfire> Maybe you can find a home in linux
[22:21] <spiderfire> instead of travelling back and forth between dimensions
[22:22] <syke> matjan: tricky, the best order is to install windows first and then install ubuntu
[22:22] <syke> and then the windows entry will already be in the grub.conf
[22:22] <matjan> naturally... i run linux only at the moment
[22:22] <nemo> oh. sourcemaker disappeared. oh well.
[22:22] <matjan> syke, not really an option... i do not feel like re-installing ubuntu
[22:22] <spiderfire> ya i got linux and windows..but you have to wipe the mbr to install windows....i think you have to install it on the primary drive as well
[22:23] <syke> matjan: I figured, just throwing it out there :)
[22:23] <matjan> alright
[22:23] <syke> you could set the wnd hard drive to be the primary, install windows on it, and then st it to be the secondary
[22:23] <syke> and then manually point grunb.conf at it
[22:23] <syke> that's how I did is in the olden days, but with lilo :)
[22:24] <matjan> i see
[22:24] <syke> is anyone else having issues with their powernowd not starting correctly?
[22:24] <matjan> when i started switching to linux, i also dual-booted, but then win was installed first
[22:24] <matjan> different situation now
[22:25] <matjan> i just want to do this in order to leave the option open for some games
[22:25] <bhsx> what's the easiest way to get dvd playback in hardy?
[22:26] <bhsx> i see that libdvdread is installed by default
[22:26] <HardyOne> !dvd
[22:26] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:26] <bhsx> and also loved the new mp3 link to synaptic to install the codecs
[22:26] <TCMC2010> bhsx, aptitude install vlc ?!
[22:26] <bhsx> oh duh
[22:26] <TCMC2010> xine-ui, mplayer
[22:26] <leo_rockw> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras says "dvd playback"
[22:26] <bhsx> i forgot all about installing vnc
[22:26] <bhsx> vlc
[22:27] <matjan> medibuntu is also avaialable already for hardy
[22:28] <syke> I see nothign in dmesg or /var/log/messages
[22:32] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:32] <_Angelus_> somebody can tell me why is kubuntu beta faster?
[22:33] <_Angelus_> is it caue im using the NTFS filesystem?
[22:33] <_Angelus_> :s
[22:33] <_Angelus_> *cause
[22:33] <_Angelus_> as faster i mean, faster then gutsy
[22:35] <mcquaid> ok ya somehow my home .dbus dir was owned by root.  i get no complaints about dbus now that I've switched the owner but i still can't unlock in add user groups
[22:36] <jussio1> _Angelus_: its cause you havent installed all your crap yet :P
[22:38] <mcquaid> ok the dbus just died. it said retried to start too many times
[22:38] <_Angelus_> jussi01, i installed it all :p
[22:38] <_Angelus_> i think the NT file system is faster then ext3 and reiser
[22:38] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: XP disagrees ;-)
[22:39] <_Angelus_> what does XP say then leo_rockw ?
[22:39] <_Angelus_> :o
[22:39] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: ntfs gets fragmented really easily
[22:39] <leo_rockw> _Angelus_: and that slows everything down in a couple of days
[22:39] <_Angelus_> yes i know
[22:39] <savvas> _Angelus_: you used wubi? you should experience less speed if you used wubi to install ubuntu hardy on an ntfs
[22:39] <_Angelus_> but on a fresh install
[22:39] <_Angelus_> its much faster then ext3
[22:39] <franz1789> hello
[22:40] <savvas> _Angelus_: keep it running for 30 days with no reboot, then compare results :)
[22:40] <_Angelus_> savvas,  i installed using wubi on an ntfs, but im seeing hard way faster then gutsy
[22:40] <franz1789> when I open Firefox 3.0, it's always in work offline, is there a way to disable this setting?
[22:40] <savvas> _Angelus_: you used gutsy on ntfs too?
[22:40] <_Angelus_> savvas,  nope
[22:40] <savvas> you're comparing two different releases then :P
[22:40] <savvas> hardy is faster, true :)
[22:41] <_Angelus_> thats why im asking if its NTFS or Hardy that is giving me this fast performance
[22:41] <savvas> not thanks to ntfs though :D
[22:41] <franz1789> perhaps I have to change some settings in about:config?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> oh
[22:41] <_Angelus_> so its not cause of ntfs
[22:41] <savvas> franz1789: about:config - search for: offline :)
[22:42] <_Angelus_> tomorrow i'll give it a try on a seperate partition
[22:42] <savvas> franz1789: browser.offline should be false
[22:42] <savvas> franz1789: you can also change that from the menu File -> work offline ;)
[22:43] <franz1789> savvas, it's false, but it's the same
[22:43] <savvas> franz1789: then you have no internet
[22:43] <savvas> i mean.. your browser isn't configured
[22:43] <franz1789> savvas, yes I have, in fact when I go and disable work offline, it works
[22:43] <savvas> franz1789: do you use a proxy?
[22:44] <franz1789> savvas, no, I have a 8Mb ADSL, connected thru a conexant chipset usb modem
[22:45] <savvas> franz1789: um.. hmm, you close your firefox normally?
[22:45] <franz1789> savvas, it's boring everytime I open FF to go and disable work offline
[22:45] <franz1789> savvas, yep, always closed normally, instead some crashes
[22:47] <savvas> franz1789: close firefox, run firefox -ProfileManager and create a new user, see if that helps, or move/backup your .mozilla/ directory in your home directory and start firefox, should clear up any custom settings
[22:47] <franz1789> i'll try
[22:47] <franz1789> thanks
[22:48] <savvas> franz1789: if it doesn't, sudo aptitude reinstall firefox-3.0
[22:48] <savvas> then try to report a bug, explaining your problem, yadda yadda yadda  and that you tried the above steps :)
[22:49] <HardyOne> tmh__, bug 200338
[22:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[22:52] <Leviath> Hi all, I have a problem with Hardy Beta, .mp3-files do not show the default music-icons and also don' t show the preview icons when hovered over (nor does it play a preview). I already tried reinstalling some mime-packages but this did not help, can someone help me?
[22:52] <tahcX> ehh
[22:53] <tahcX> Ubuntu 8 ?
[22:53] <savvas> yes xchat-backwards
[22:53] <savvas> :p
[22:53] <tahcX> lol
[22:53] <tahcX> funny savvas
[22:53] <savvas> 8.04 - 2008.April :)
[22:53] <tahcX> yea..
[22:53] <tahcX> sucks
[22:53] <tahcX> thats far
[22:54] <savvas> great, you're halfway to make it better
[22:54] <HardyOne> in a couple weeks
[22:54] <franz1789> savvas, it seems it works now, I have backed the mozilla folder, now it works fine
[22:54] <savvas> tahcX: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:55] <savvas> franz1789: well if you don't have anything like bookmarks and such, keep it like that :)
[22:55] <franz1789> savvas, no, sorry, doesn't work again
[22:55] <franz1789> :D
[22:55] <savvas> franz1789: what did you do?
[22:56] <savvas> it couldn't have worked the first time and then broke unless you've done something, or there is indeed a bug somewhere there :)
[22:56] <franz1789> When I opened it, it was in the file:// home, the file in Ubuntu, when I put google as home, it went offline again
[22:58] <tahcX> non of you guys are using PPC architecture ehh >
[22:58] <tahcX> ?
[22:58] <savvas> franz1789: edit > preferences > advanced > network > settings > auto-detect proxy settings > ok > close
[22:58] <franz1789> savvas, no it doesn't
[22:59] <flipstar> is someone running kde4 here ?
[23:00] <franz1789> nor the --reinstall worked
[23:00] <flipstar> or kde3 with kde4 apps..?
[23:01] <bhsx> well, i gotta say, i just installed the drivers from the ati website...  and everything is much slower because of beryl/compiz being started automatically
[23:02] <bhsx> that's kinda disappointing
[23:02] <savvas> franz1789: well.. i'm out of ideas..
[23:02] <savvas> franz1789: tried a new user?
[23:03] <leo_rockw> flipstar: i have kde4 (i barely use it, tho)
[23:03] <franz1789> savvas, yep
[23:03] <savvas> franz1789: bug reporting time then :)
[23:03] <franz1789> savvas, is there a channel for firefox beta?
[23:03] <flipstar> leo_rockw: hm youre not running it right now ?
[23:03] <bhsx> well, shutting off visual effects sped things right back up
[23:03] <nemo> franz1789: irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox ? :)
[23:03] <leo_rockw> flipstar: nope, why?
[23:03] <savvas> franz1789: i think.. on server irc.mozilla.org #firefox
[23:04] <leo_rockw> flipstar: i am running 3.5.9
[23:04] <poseidon> Is there a way to give my file browser (the default one for gnome) a address bar?
[23:04] <bhsx> but i dont know that it should be started automatically when you install 3d drivers
[23:04] <Neowam> anybody already newsleecher running correctly with wine?
[23:04] <savvas> nemo 's a frequent flier there :P
[23:04] <flipstar> leo_rockw: nvm then..i think i found a bug in klipper-kde4 ..
[23:04] <poseidon> so I can type in an address and go to it
[23:04] <nemo> savvas: well. #mozillazine more :-p
[23:04] <savvas> :)
[23:05] <leo_rockw> flipstar: pm me and i'll try to reproduce it later
[23:05] <leo_rockw> i'm going to have dinner now :-P
[23:05] <flipstar> okay.. :)
[23:06] <Neowam> hi flipstar
[23:06] <flipstar> hi
[23:06] <Neowam> you have experiences with newsleecher and wine? :)
[23:06] <flipstar> nope
[23:06] <Neowam> ok, thanks
[23:07] <poseidon> So does anyone know how to get an address bar for my file manager?
[23:08] <KrimZon> poseidon: does clicking on the button below the back button work?
[23:08] <Neowam> flipstar; what is a good usenet leecher for linux?
[23:08] <mneptok> Neowam: i like Pan for nntp
[23:08] <Neowam> coool
[23:09] <Neowam> let me take a look
[23:09] <Neowam> and my latest question :P :  the hotkeys for the 3d desktop
[23:09] <Neowam> for getting the cube, etc..
[23:09] <franz1789> anyway, as just said, the advice me to uninstall the Network Manager, because Firefox control that setting for networking
[23:09] <franz1789> now it works fine
[23:11] <mneptok> franz1789: you should not uninstal network-manager
[23:11] <mneptok> franz1789: if Firefox is controlling your network interfaces, we have a problem
[23:11] <franz1789> mneptok, well, I'm not using it, I never tried to configure my usb modem with netmanager
[23:12] <mneptok> franz1789: i think you're confused
[23:12] <franz1789> mneptok, why?
[23:13] <mneptok> franz1789: your modem's configuration and your computer's configuration are separate issues
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, network-manager and network-manager-gnome are tools to configure the network. since I'm not using router, I can't use these tools
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, usb modem cannot be controlled by them.
[23:14] <mneptok> franz1789: that is incorrect
[23:14] <franz1789> mneptok, sure? why?
[23:15] <bbrazil> finally have hardy installed, remind me not to that again
[23:15] <mneptok> franz1789: n-m and n-m-applet configure the network connections of the local machines, whether that machine uses a router, a WAP, a modem, or a stright-up RJ-45 connection
[23:15] <poseidon> krimZon, yes. Thanks
[23:15] <cyclonut> bbrazil, lots of trouble?
[23:16] <bbrazil> yes, upgrade tool didn't work for me - couldn't get it pointing at my local mirror
[23:16] <bbrazil> doing it by hand was most instructive
[23:16] <franz1789> mneptok, have you ever tried to configure the network with a usb modem? a winmodem? and which adress has my modem? I ask you because, if it works, it'd be better
[23:16] <bbrazil> think I've found at least one bug though, need to double check
[23:17] <cyclonut> ah
[23:18] <mneptok> franz1789: n-m isn't necessary for that. just use slmodemdaemon
[23:18] <mneptok> (if it works)
[23:18] <mneptok> Winmodems are notoriously crappy and non-standard
[23:19] <franz1789> mneptok, well, I don't know and I don't give, but when I uninstalled net-manager and other, firefox begin to work correctly
[23:19] <franz1789> mneptok, the problem was not with my modem, I always used it correctly
[23:19] <tahcX> anyone in here using the beta version of Hardy ?
[23:19] <franz1789> everyone
[23:20] <tahcX> how good it is ?
[23:20] <tahcX> any screenshots ?
[23:20] <jin> tahcX: not working very good for me.. but I did a upgrade form Gutsy
[23:20] <jin> from*
[23:20] <franz1789> tahcX, apparently it's feisty, there are a few graphic changes
[23:21] <franz1789> sorry, gutsy
[23:21] <savvas> tahcX: probably everyone in here uses hardy alpha or beta updated :)
[23:21] <jin> tahcX: if you're planning to try it, do a fresh install, that's what I am going to do in the next 2 hours
[23:22] <savvas> jin: what problems?
[23:22] <tahcX> i was going to install in it on a PPC archi
[23:22] <insomninja> I seem to have my own little dependency hell involving stuff around gcc of different versions, is there any fix?
[23:22] <thompa> there are some rather big bugs still, wireless and usb devices are broke
[23:22] <jin> gnome got some great improvement..  not no new eye candy that's noticeable
[23:22] <jin> savvas: I have no sound mixing
[23:22] <cyclonut> tahcX, screenshots are a little irrelevant, no?
[23:23] <savvas> jin: pulseaudio eh? can't help with that topic, sorry :)
[23:23] <jin> savvas: and when I click on Quit, gnome just hangs
[23:23] <cyclonut> aye, the only new eye candy is a better box for file operations
[23:23] <jin> and I have to use ctrl+shift+backspace to restart X
[23:24] <bbrazil> hmm, could someone on Hardy-Xubuntu do: Application->Settings->Settings Manager->Keyboard ?
[23:24] <jin> cyclonut: that's not a eyecandy :\
[23:25] <cyclonut> jin, meh, its a little prettier :-P
[23:25] <savvas> jin: try this: sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-power-manager gnome-session
[23:25] <jin> savvas: nah, I am going to do a reinstall soon.
[23:25] <savvas> ah ok
[23:26] <jin> trying t..
[23:26] <jin> :P
[23:26] <jin> but that won't fix my osund problem tho
[23:26] <jin> sound*
[23:26] <savvas> jin: it works in the live cd?
[23:27] <savvas> i mean when you boot into live cd mode, try play a file
[23:27] <jin> savvas: I am downloading the iso now :-)
[23:27] <savvas> oh
[23:27] <jin> I did a upgrade using update-manager btw
[23:28] <savvas> jin: well if it doesn't work in live mode, don't bother formatting, it probably won't be working then :\
[23:29] <jin> savvas: I am sure it will work ;)
[23:29] <TrioTorus> In Hardy, would there be a mechanism in place that allows me to open a file with gedit over a 'connect with server' ssh share? I can browse that resource, but in file dialog windows inside applications, I can't reach it. What is the recommended solution?
[23:29] <jin> but I will test it in live mode first
[23:29] <insomninja> could somebody have a look a this?: http://www.pastebin.org/25177
[23:31] <jin> gnomebaker
[23:32] <savvas> TrioTorus: that's already available after some alpha upgrades
[23:32] <savvas> isn't it?
[23:32] <TrioTorus> savvas: I'm running a completely updated version. Unless this changed a only hours ago.
[23:33] <jin> trioTorus, did you try sudo apt-get update first?
[23:33] <adinc> is there truecrypt for ubuntu?
[23:34] <savvas> TrioTorus: when you add a "connect to server" check the box "add a bookmark", i think that's what you need
[23:34] <jer132> Does anyone know if Sun Java will work out of the box in Firefox 3 upon final release of hardy?
[23:34] <jer132> Mean, not having to create symlinks?
[23:35] <insomninja> I'm going to try sudo apt-get -f install then
[23:35] <TrioTorus> savvas: I can see the bookmark in Nautilus allright. Just when trying to open a file from within Geanay, that bookmark isn't there.
[23:35] <savvas> jer132: probably, check for a bug report about that
[23:35] <savvas> TrioTorus: how about in gedit?
[23:36] <jer132> savvas: I have, but there's so many about this issue that I can't really find the right one.  The problem that I see is people are doing a workaround with symlinks.  But they'll break every time Java or Firefox upgrades...  eeeek!
[23:37] <savvas> TrioTorus: did you try to open the bookmark in nautilus, browse to your file, right click on the file and open it with the app you want? maybe that way it will work :)
[23:37] <savvas> jer132: sorry, i have amd64, so i don't even have java-enabled firefox :\
[23:38] <TrioTorus> savvas, it seems to work with gedit allright. If I wanted to report it to geany devs, would this have something to do with the new gvfs?
[23:38] <savvas> TrioTorus: no idea, choose geany as the package name in your bug report
[23:39] <TrioTorus> thanks for your time savvas.
[23:39] <savvas> anytime :)
[23:39] <adinc> hardy came with linux kernel 2.6.24-12, can i downgrade it to 2.6.24.4? my wireless won't work with this kernel?
[23:39] <cyclonut> anyone else having trouble with conky crashing nautilus
[23:41] <cyclonut> adinc, broadcom card?
[23:41] <adinc> cyclonut: no a intel iwl3945 build in, in a notebook
[23:41] <adinc> cyclonut: do you know this device?
[23:41] <cyclonut> adinc, ah, nm then, there is an outstanding issue with SSB being forced in the newer kernel. It interferes with whatever proper driver is there
[23:42] <cyclonut> adinc, yeah, I do.... you might try rmmoding all your network modules, modprobe'ing your wireless module first, followed by your wired module
[23:42] <ethana2> adinc: you asked about truecrypt?
[23:42] <adinc> cyclonut: how you mean, i didn't understand SSB?
[23:42] <ethana2> ...they made it, and i filed a bug..
[23:42] <ethana2> so now it works
[23:42] <adinc> ethana2: yes
[23:42] <ethana2> here, just a sec
[23:43] <adinc> cyclonut: i did try this, i found a bug , moment
[23:43] <bbrazil> now here's a fun one - I can't manage to set my keyboard to uk
[23:43] <ethana2> Bug 197919
[23:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197919 in easycrypt "EasyCrypt.py crashed with KeyError in openCrypt()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197919
[23:43] <cyclonut> adinc, ssb is a wireless module that seems to stink.
[23:43] <bbrazil> setxkbmap can't find its files, and neither can xorg by the looks of things
[23:44] <adinc> cyclonut: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185470 this seems to describe my problem
[23:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[23:44] <adinc> ethana2: yes, but i've also a windows which encrypts with truecrypt, so it would be better to use truecrypt also on ubuntu, i don't know easycrypt
[23:45] <ethana2> compatible
[23:45] <cyclonut> adinc, i dont know, but perhaps you should chime in on the bug report?
[23:45] <ethana2> easycrypt is a gui for it that's simple
[23:46] <adinc> ethana2: ahh they are compatible?
[23:46] <tahcX> ikonia ?
[23:46] <adinc> cyclonut: i did file it there aswell
[23:46] <ethana2> adinc: of course
[23:46] <adinc> ethana2: i didin't know. if there aren't any problems and there is a ubuntu package, sure i will makeuse of it then
[23:47] <cyclonut> adinc, I'd just watch that bug report, and search the forums, to see if you get any luck
[23:47] <adinc> ethana2: ahh i see, easycrypt is a gui for truecrypt? but i would also need truecrypt for it, won't i
[23:47] <ethana2> adinc: you should just be able to install everything via repos
[23:47] <adinc> cyclonut: yes, but if i'm not wrong people are watching it for the last two month
[23:48] <cyclonut> ah
[23:48] <adinc> ethana2: which package do i need then? only easycrypt?
[23:48] <ethana2> adinc: yeah, it should install the other stuff automatically
[23:48] <adinc> cyclonut: and nothing changed in that bug report, i think this is an urgent issue but the importance for this is marked as medium
[23:49] <DG19075> any updates on Firefox 3 and Java?
[23:49] <cyclonut> adinc, dunno what tell ya, sorry
[23:49] <cyclonut> brb
[23:50] <adinc> ethana2: you are funny, easycrypt asks me to download truecrypt manually.
[23:50] <ethana2> oh
[23:50] <ethana2> i'm sorry
[23:51] <ethana2> i don't install anything if it's not in repos usually
[23:51] <ethana2> you see that bug?
[23:51] <ethana2> you may want to check version numbers
[23:51] <adinc> ethana2: but easycrypt is in the repo
[23:51] <ethana2> ...truecrypt should be too
[23:51] <adinc> well i couln't find
[23:51] <adinc> is it?
[23:52] <ethana2> i'll check
[23:52] <ethana2> worst case: we have to swing by #ubuntu-motu
[23:53] <adinc> ethana2: where did you get truecrypt 5.0 from? repository?
[23:53] <ethana2> hmmmmm
[23:53] <flipstar> why dont you use luks instead of truecrypt ?
[23:53] <ethana2> does luks work on windows?
[23:53] <flipstar> okay..
[23:53] <Flannel> info truecrypt doesn't seem to be.  Nor does easycrypt depend on it.  Definately bug/motu visit worthy
[23:54] <adinc> there is no package for truecrypt
[23:54] <sakura> hi ... recently i got updates to hardy heron ... network-manager was a packet to be updated
[23:55] <sakura> now, when i second click the network-manager, i cant disable the wi-fi (previous to the update i could)
[23:55] <ethana2> adinc: you wanna come back me up on #ubuntu-motu?
[23:55] <jimmygoon> I still can't connect to my FTP server from hardy but I can from windows :/
[23:55] <WillieDaPimp> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', which is also in package language-pack-gnome-en
[23:55] <sakura> i dont know if this is ok, only want to report that
[23:55] <adinc> ethana2: how you mean?
[23:55] <ethana2> just second my motion
[23:56] <WillieDaPimp> what should i do about that ^^
[23:56] <adinc> ethana2: i don't know ubuntu-motu, what is it
[23:56] <ethana2> #ubuntu-motu
[23:56] <adinc> irc?
[23:56] <ethana2> a channel
[23:56] <ethana2> yes
[23:56] <ethana2> just like this one
[23:56] <Milos_SD> Lirc update is broken :(
[23:56] <adinc> whats up there?
[23:56] <ethana2> the Masters of the Universe
[23:56] <ethana2> they handle stuff like this
[23:56] <adinc> ;)
[23:56] <adinc> if you ask that kind, why not
[23:57] <Milos_SD> !lirc
[23:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:57] <ethana2> adinc: a 'what ethana2 said' will do
[23:57] <ethana2> since you don't see the logs
[23:57] <ethana2> ..or i could pm it to you
[23:57] <poseidon> How do I set u the cube desktop?
[23:57] <ethana2> poseidon: do you have compiz config settings manager?
[23:59] <ethana2> poseidon: Apps -> Add
[23:59] <ethana2> find it and install it, then run it from System -> Prefs
[23:59] <ethana2> it has all those fancy options...  /all/ of them ;)