[02:50] <psyke83> _MMA_, I just sent the latest revision of the theme, although the "rename file" fix isn't done yet
[02:51] <_MMA_> psyke83: ok. Ill most likely look over it tomorrow.
[02:51] <psyke83> sure thing
[02:58] <_MMA_> psyke83: I looked now. :P So besides the metacity/scrollbar fix, that's it?
[02:59] <psyke83> I think so; did I fix any other bugs today? :P
[02:59] <psyke83> I'm sleepy now, so I forget... heh
[03:00] <psyke83> I only changed the spacing in the metacity-1.xml file, nothing else
[03:00] <psyke83> and yep, I think I changed just the progressbar and slider background
[03:00] <_MMA_> Ok. Tomorrow we should work out the white text when renaming files.
[03:00] <_MMA_> But you should sleep. I will be soon. :P
[03:01] <psyke83> I will, just waiting for a scan to finish on my hd before I turn off (problem with SMART)
[03:01] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[03:02] <psyke83> if you catch MacSlow, see if he can help re: the nautilus bug; I tried the gnome, gtk and nautilus channels (here and on irc.gnome.org), and nobody answered
[03:02] <psyke83> I downloaded the source code and found two glade files,  but they don't cover the renaming part of the interface
[03:04] <_MMA_> Ok. Ill try to get him in here tomorrow to talk directly.
[12:39] <nothlit`core> grrr, someone deleted the template attachments about a week ago
[14:23] <_MMA_> psyke83: Found another "white text bug". Edit the prefs on FF3. You'll see it.
[14:32] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: Since you seemed to have dropped off over this cycle I plan on taking things as far as wiki management for Ibex. I however did not mess with the templates.
[14:33] <psyke83> _MMA_, change the input background colour to #888888 and see what you think
[14:33] <psyke83> it introduces other problems, though, e.g. grey users listed in xchat
[14:34] <_MMA_> People are gonna hate that.
[14:35] <nothlit`core> _MMA_: ahh ok, if you see anything missing, just ping me :)
[14:35] <psyke83> _MMA_, well, I'm really afraid that the Firefox problem is hardcoded
[14:35] <_MMA_> Sure. We might need to go back to the gray text.
[14:36] <psyke83> _MMA_, it's possible to set grey text for everything, but then make exceptions, such as button, combobox, tab and frame colours
[14:37] <psyke83> I mean, such as the above being white
[14:37] <psyke83> we can use the shade function within those sections
[14:37] <psyke83> will I give it a try and see how it works?
[14:37] <_MMA_> psyke83: Sure. If you can work on that, that would be great.
[14:38] <nothlit`core> ackt, thats ibex lol, i haven't fleshed out the FAQ yes, but the wiki is pretty set up, have i been lacking in my duties?
[14:38] <_MMA_> I'm trying to work out a xsane issue right now as well. People can't use their scanner as normal users.
[14:39] <nothlit`core> well the first user gets added the the correct groups, but additional users you have to make sure to do that-- or is it just broken?
[14:40] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: Its just broke somehow. sudo xsane works though.
[14:40] <_MMA_> bug 205496
[14:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205496 in xsane "[Hardy]Xsane needs root to operate scanner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205496
[14:45] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: I haven't really seen you active in here on on the ML for some time. I think Ken needs someone a little more active throughout the cycle.
[14:48] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: I still think the wiki needs a major overhaul. I can never figure out where things are.
[14:56] <nothlit`core> ahh, interesting
[14:58] <nothlit`core> The bar is not enough?
[14:58] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: SO at UDS I'll be talking with Ken to see how it can be better structured. It really just might be something that's too complex.
[14:58] <nothlit`core> well i may be going to uds as well, so we can probably lay things out there
[14:59] <_MMA_> nothlit`core: Personally, the bar makes no sense. I dont know how it relates to where Im at or things are half the time.
[14:59] <_MMA_> Sure. That would be cool.
[15:28] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm getting close to fixing the Firefox prob
[15:29] <psyke83> it's a pain in the a$$, I have to edit the theme and put wildcard matches for widgets ;)
[15:30] <psyke83> I know the widget is Gtk*View, heh
[15:31] <psyke83> any sign of macslow?
[15:37] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh sorry. Ill see if he can come in.
[15:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: Looks like he's swamped working on Compiz. Next week might be more free.
[15:41] <psyke83> no prob... I found the name of the widget for Firefox, working on the fix now
[15:42] <_MMA_> k
[15:42] <_MMA_> Maybe that will fix gnome-control-center as well. :)
[16:32] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm a bit stuck. I know the widget that draws the affected background of the firefox Preferences, but not the part that renders text
[16:33] <_MMA_> Weird.
[17:21] <psyke83> _MMA_, I've found where to fix, but it will cause all the text in firefox to change to the text colour we define... do you want it grey?
[17:23] <_MMA_> psyke83: Hmm... I imaging that will be problematic. Can you test different scenarios and get back to me?
[17:23] <psyke83> I've been encouraged to file a bug against Firefox, so it will get fixed there (eventually)
[17:23] <psyke83> it's using GtkInvisible, which is nonstandard
[17:23] <_MMA_> Yeah. Bastards. :P
[17:24] <psyke83> this one may take a firefox patch, from us or upstream
[17:24] <psyke83> what's the problem with gnome-control-center ?
[17:24] <_MMA_> Basically the same deal.
[17:25] <_MMA_> WHite text on white background.
[17:25] <psyke83> hmm on gutsy?
[17:25] <_MMA_> Yep
[17:25] <psyke83> because I see no problem here
[17:25] <_MMA_> ?
[17:25] <psyke83> I'm running Hardy
[17:25] <_MMA_> With you new mods correct?
[17:26] <psyke83> yep, although it's temporarily screwed while I'm debugging the issue
[17:26] <_MMA_> Well wait. Click on a cestion or a icon.
[17:26] <_MMA_> *section
[17:26] <psyke83> hold on while I restore the theme to working order
[17:26] <_MMA_> Or switch the theme to see.
[17:26] <_MMA_> np
[17:28] <psyke83> _MMA_, no, there's no problem on my system
[17:29] <psyke83> it's obeying the proper theme colours
[17:29] <psyke83> do you have a hardy install available?
[17:29] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im looking at it. Might be because of some new mod you did.
[17:30] <_MMA_> I get a screen with lots of icons but invisible text.
[17:30] <psyke83> I don't think that I fixed any bugs there
[17:30] <_MMA_> Until you highlight a section that it.
[17:31] <_MMA_> gnome-contol-center right?
[17:31] <_MMA_> gnome-control-center
[17:31] <_MMA_> Take a screenshot if you can.
[17:32] <psyke83> ah, right :(
[17:32] <psyke83> sorry, I missed that
[17:32] <psyke83> hmm
[17:40] <psyke83> _MMA_, unless I can get the gnome-control-center issue fixed, I think it's better we go back to grey text ;)
[17:40] <psyke83> as for the firefox issue, whatever we change the colour to, almost the entire interface will change as well
[17:41] <psyke83> it's definitely a bug
[17:49] <_MMA_> psyke83: Well If we can keep the "revert to gray text" thing on the back burner and find a solution that would rock. In the end I'm not against reverting.
[17:50] <_MMA_> We have all week until I have to push these changes so we have a little bit of time.
[18:36] <psyke83> _MMA_, bear with me: change the input box background to #BFBFBF and give it ten minutes of use, then tell me what you think
[18:36] <psyke83> keep normal text to white
[18:38] <psyke83> the only problem is green text in terminals... gah, this is difficult ;)
[18:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ill test what you send me. I just cant tinker now. I'm on the phone with the insurance co about my car.
[18:41] <psyke83> ah I won't disturb, don't worry. I'll try to sort out gnome-control-center, we just need to fix that and firefox
[18:41] <_MMA_> No disturbance. I'm sorry I can't give it my full attention ATM.
[18:48] <psyke83> aptoncd uses hardcoded foreground colours, I will make a bug report with patch to launchpad
[18:49] <_MMA_> k
[19:02] <psyke83> firefox3 workaround: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[19:04] <_MMA_> psyke83: And what does it affect if we try to set it to black?
[19:05] <psyke83> in firefox: the bookmarks toolbar, find bar, status bar, all preferences text, inactive menu items
[19:05] <psyke83> as for other apps, it doesn't affect anything
[19:06] <psyke83> basically most of the firefox interface is using gtkinvisible to draw text, which is just wrong
[19:06] <_MMA_> Ahh..... I see. Well, this is fine to me for know. Let's work with this for know. See how it feels.
[19:07] <psyke83> yep
[19:07] <_MMA_> s/know/now
[19:47] <psyke83> _MMA_, gnome-control-center is fixed, but the previous issue with gconf-editor's "Name" is back
[19:47] <psyke83> the problem was with the hack I wanted MacSlow to check
[19:48] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ok. Put it in, but comment it out with some notes so we can talk with him later about it.
[19:49] <psyke83> it changes a lot of other things, let me work on it some more
[19:50] <_MMA_> np
[21:10] <psyke83> _MMA_, it's fixed; a terrible hack, but fixed
[21:12] <_MMA_> Cool.
[21:14] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[21:15] <_MMA_> psyke83: Can you send the meta city again? I think I messed something up here.
[21:15] <_MMA_> *metacity
[21:15] <Cimi> ehich bug?
[21:15] <Cimi> *which
[21:16] <psyke83> http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/metacity-theme-1.xml
[21:16] <_MMA_> Cimi: Something about how FF3 used GTK.
[21:16] <Cimi> which kind of bug you get?
[21:16] <_MMA_> psyke83: Thanx. Ill test now.
[21:17] <psyke83> cimi: we're working around some bugs in applications that display white text on white background with our UbuntuStudio-Mod theme
[21:18] <psyke83> oops, he's gone
[21:18] <psyke83> ah wb
[21:18] <psyke83> cimi: we're working around some bugs in applications that display white text on white background with our UbuntuStudio-Mod theme
[21:18] <_MMA_> Cimi: Looks like they are using gtkinvisible to draw text.
[21:19] <Cimi> one shit application is rhythmbox
[21:19] <Cimi> it has hardcoded colors for the sidebar
[21:20] <_MMA_> Thats mostly what we're running into. Apps that hardcode colors rather than using the gtkrc.
[21:20]  * Cimi hates them
[21:20] <Cimi> gimp for example
[21:21] <Cimi> is hardcoding focus for the buttons
[21:21] <_MMA_> AptOnCD is another.
[21:22] <psyke83> Cimi, can you help me out a little? I need to define exceptions for certain widgets, but I don't know the name
[21:22] <Cimi> psyke83, experience engine can help you
[21:22] <Cimi> from what I know
[21:23] <psyke83> for example, I want to define an exception for the fg[NORMAL] of "Name, Size, Type" in Nautilus and other applications
[21:23] <Cimi> benzea implemented a function to print the widget namings
[21:23] <_MMA_> psyke83: Cool. Though this isn't the optimal solution we can now at least see the text in FF3 and gnome-control-center.
[21:23] <Cimi> but the best solution is to open bugreports
[21:23] <psyke83> _MMA_, I've broken the "expander arrows" again, but I will fix soon
[21:24] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ahh.. I see. Ok. Keep up the killer work. Thanx so far. :)
[21:24]  * _MMA_ goes back to looking at new cars.
[21:28] <psyke83> _MMA_, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/gtkrc
[21:28] <psyke83> that fixes the expander arrows
[21:31] <psyke83> I think I'll call it quits tonight, lest I go completely insane :)
[21:31] <psyke83> but this needs a lot of testing and refinement (I used wildcard matches to isolate the special case classes; we need to identify them properly)
[21:33] <psyke83> Cimi, would you by any chance be able to guess what this is? widget_class "*x*ent*.*men*Label*"
[21:33] <Cimi> ?
[21:33] <Cimi> the only thing I'm sure
[21:33] <psyke83> I'm trying to identify the class for drawing the items in the main window of gnome-control-center, to create a special case
[21:34] <Cimi> is that it is really ugly
[21:34] <psyke83> yes it's awful, and I want to fix it, but I can only do it through trial and error
[21:34] <_MMA_> Well that was helpfull.
[21:34] <Cimi> maybe the best way to do is opening control center source code and read something? :) don't you think?
[21:35] <psyke83> Cimi, yes, but I'm not an expert at reading source for gtk stuff, and there's no glade files to help
[21:35] <Cimi> you should learn
[21:36] <psyke83> ... ok, thanks
[21:36] <_MMA_> Cimi: Really, it was a simple question. People also learn this way.
[21:37] <_MMA_> No need to RTFM.
[21:37] <Cimi> _MMA_, to help him, I need to RTFM
[21:37] <Cimi> I don't know the source code of every application
[21:37] <psyke83> Cimi, if that's necessary, then it's ok. I thought you could guess visually, since you're aware of the common gtk widgets
[21:38] <_MMA_> Cimi: Well not in here. That's not how we do things. We have poked through code. Do not RTFM in here.
[21:41] <_MMA_> Cimi: I do realize that some of it is a language barrier but one could make the argument that "you should learn" English better just as easy as someone should learn how to better read code.
[21:42] <Cimi> unfortunately
[21:42] <psyke83> no it's alright, guys. I just wondered if Cimi could spot the possible class name from looking at the interface, not the code, but it's fine
[21:42] <Cimi> I haven't got an english teacher at school, at least he was not doing her job of teaching students the language
[21:43] <Cimi> everything I know I've learnt from myself
[21:43] <psyke83> I'm checking all the apps installed by default, and I'm not seeing any problems yet, but I hope to clean up the theme properly
[21:43] <Cimi> psyke83, I have to look at the code
[21:43] <psyke83> Cimi, yep, and I don't want you to go to a lot of trouble, so it's fine
[21:43] <Cimi> or printing the widget class trough the engine
[21:43] <psyke83> now that sounds more interesting ;)
[21:44] <Cimi> psyke83, I've already said it
 psyke83, experience engine can help you
 from what I know
[21:44] <psyke83> experience engine, I'll take a look
[21:50] <_MMA_> psyke83: Gah. Now we have a issue with Deluge torrent. Looks like the expander arrow fix is #525252. Or something like that?
[21:51] <psyke83> _MMA_, I'm not finding any expander arrows, do you have a lot of torrents in your list or something?
[21:52] <_MMA_> No. The issue is the text in the "status" column.
[21:52] <_MMA_> The bg is the same color as the text that says "Downloading".
[21:52] <_MMA_> Wait.. Hahaha.
[21:52] <_MMA_> 1 sec.
[21:53] <psyke83> I see
[21:53] <psyke83> was it like that before?
[21:53] <_MMA_> psyke83: Ill get a shot.
[21:53] <_MMA_> I dont think so.
[21:53] <psyke83> I see it
[21:54] <psyke83> I have bad news... the original UbuntuStudio theme is the same
[21:54] <psyke83> hmm no, can u take a screenshot please?
[21:55] <_MMA_> Im looking at it now. Its not. The color before and after the progressbar is different.
[21:55] <_MMA_> Ill take 2.
[21:58] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/OG.png
[21:58] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/MOD.png
[21:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: ^^^
[21:59] <psyke83> ok, let me check this out, although it should be an easy fix
[21:59] <psyke83> *should be* ;)
[22:00] <_MMA_> :P
[22:02] <Cimi> psyke83, EXPERIENCE_PRINT_WIDGET_PATH=true
[22:02] <psyke83> Cimi, thanks; I compiled and installed the engine and an experience theme, but it's not working. I'll try it tomorrow