[00:29] <askand> Can someone please assign bug 196021 ?
[00:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196021 in bash "include bash-completion by default in hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196021
[00:30] <ScottK3> To whom do you think it should be assigned?
[00:30] <ScottK2> askand: ^^^
[00:32] <askand> ScottK2: Good question..I'm not very good at this.. everything I know is that it would be good if this bug was solved and that is always easier if it is assigned to the right people :)
[00:45] <ScottK2> askand: I can understand that feeling, but unless you are someone's boss, assigning them work is generally considered rude.  There are lots of bugs it would be 'good' to solve, but we have more bugs than we have developers.  This is unless a team has a policy about assignments (Kernel team has such a policy, but that's not applicable to this bug).
[00:47] <askand> ScottK2: I see :) Yea I kind of hoped someone else was rude enough ;)
[00:52] <JohnPhy1> is there any talk of delaying hardy in the way dapper was delayed?  there seem to be quite a few bugs left to work out/solve.
[00:55] <ScottK2> askand: That sort of rudeness is actually a pretty good way to ensure a bug won't get fixed.
[00:55] <secretlondon> does anyone know the bug number for today's lang pack bug?
[00:56] <greg-g> secretlondon: bug 205440
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[00:57] <greg-g> and go for it, I already had like 5 of them today :)
[00:58]  * secretlondon thanks greg_g
[00:58] <greg-g> :)
[01:00] <secretlondon> 21 dupes!
[01:02] <greg-g> in 17 hours
[01:04] <secretlondon> so not that bad
[01:04] <secretlondon> prob because it's easter
[01:04] <greg-g> yeah, comparatively speaking I suppose.  I was waiting for more since the beta is out and it brings in everyone
[01:04] <greg-g> good point
[01:06] <greg-g> one more
[01:07] <secretlondon> you beat me to it!
[01:07] <secretlondon> I got the chinese one though ;)
[01:07] <greg-g> ;)
[01:09] <greg-g> I need to ask dholbach about the teams thing in the 5-a-day stats.  some people listed two teams after their name, and one person listed themselves twice but with two different teams.  I know that the first case doesn't work (only the first is recognized, at least for me) but I'm wondering if he wants to support this feature or not.
[01:10] <JohnPhy1> Is anyone in here having issues iwth how fonts are rendered on an lcd in gnome terminal or qt apps in hardy?
[01:10] <greg-g> sorry, that was an out-of-nowhere comment
[01:11] <JohnPhy1> specifically, they don't seem to follow the sub-pixel hinting rules set through System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts, but other apps (such as gedit, pidgin) do.
[01:13]  * secretlondon missed the teams thing
[01:14] <greg-g> JohnPhy1: sorry, not on my hardy install right now
[01:14] <greg-g> secretlondon: yeah, it wasn't announced really, I just noticed the .teams file, and the the stats page now has the teams at the bottom
[01:14] <secretlondon> so I should join a team?
[01:16] <wolfger> yes
[01:16] <wolfger> if you're in a LoCo, represent. :-)
[01:16] <wolfger> nothing like a little good-natured rivalry to keep people working hard
[01:16] <secretlondon> i'm not in a loco
[01:17] <wolfger> find or create a team, then
[01:17] <JohnPhy1> greg-g:  Thanks anyway.  I was able to force the correct rendering with a ~/.fonts.conf file, and tried helping out and commenting on bug #190848 , but it didn't seem to help everyone.
[01:17] <wolfger> Team Unaffiliated. :-)
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[01:17] <greg-g> JohnPhy1: gotcha.
[01:23] <secretlondon> I don't feel any great need to fly the flag
[01:24] <secretlondon> and I'm not sure splitting bug triagers into national teams (rather than say product teams) is helpful
[01:25] <greg-g> secretlondon: I hope it doesn't seem like splitting the triagers up, more of a way for locos to have friendly competition
[01:25] <greg-g> I mean, I was waiting for something to poke the ubuntu-ohio team to try and get some border state competition
[01:25] <secretlondon> well it depends if you are in a loco or not, I left the uk team after sexist crap a few years ago
[01:26] <greg-g> ugh, sorry
[01:26] <greg-g> I had no idea
[01:26] <secretlondon> no prob
[01:26] <secretlondon> i've only recently got back involved in ubuntu again for hardy, I dropped out for ages
[01:27] <secretlondon> loads of women have had issues in loco teams, they tend to be more 'matey' and less technical
[01:27] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:28] <greg-g> yeah, I guess unfortunately that is how -michigan is right now.  it is more of a social group with some techie stuff every now and then.
[01:28] <wolfger> I don't see that as a bad thing, though
[01:28] <wolfger> social ties are important to holding a group together
[01:28] <secretlondon> higher entrance requirement = less jerks
[01:29] <secretlondon> and exclude those as people want to socialise away from their wives etc
[01:29] <greg-g> wolfger: I agree on that point too.  We just need to make sure we continue to be welcoming
[01:31] <secretlondon> my lug is fine, my loco - no way
[01:31] <greg-g> interesting
[01:31] <secretlondon> but then my lug is a bit technical
[01:31] <greg-g> I kinda had opposite experiences with the groups here.  but of course I think highly of the loco ;)
[01:32] <secretlondon> i think it depends on who is leading it, and whether they clamp down on non CoC behaviour
[01:32] <secretlondon> the leader of the loco mocked me, or so it felt like
[01:32] <greg-g> that would be me
[01:32] <greg-g> oh, that is horrible!
[01:32] <secretlondon> (not that they ever did anything tbh)
[01:33] <secretlondon> they were all middle aged small businessmen escaping with their toys away from their wives and families
[01:33] <secretlondon> closed space bonding through sexist humour
[01:33] <greg-g> yuck
[01:33] <wolfger> eww
[01:33] <greg-g> I wouldn't be a part of that group either
[01:34] <secretlondon> i may be over exagerating, I felt very excluded
[01:34] <secretlondon> and i'm not a conservative and they all seemed to be
[01:34] <secretlondon> and generally it wasn't fun
[01:34] <greg-g> well, if they weren't welcoming then they pretty much just failed, no question
[01:34] <secretlondon> but they didn't actually *do* anything!
[01:35] <secretlondon> they didn't build ubuntu in the uk, and they weren
[01:35] <secretlondon> weren't obviously doing anything in ubuntu 9with a few exceptions)
[01:35] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:36] <secretlondon> Jono was crap too, someone I have zero respect for
[01:36]  * secretlondon whinges
[01:36] <secretlondon> it felt like this is how ubuntu really is, if you strip away the marketing
[01:37] <greg-g> a boy's club?
[01:40] <secretlondon> well that it was all for show, that behind the facade ubuntu was more hostile to minorities than a normal tech space
[01:40] <secretlondon> so i got involved upstream :)
[01:40] <greg-g> there ya go
[01:41] <secretlondon> I came back to hardy as I wanted hardy not to suck, as the versions post hardy didn't work as well as dapper 9and I still use dapper on my desktop because of this)
[01:41] <secretlondon> I don't deal with social conservatives at the best of times, and certainly not in a voluntary capacity in my own time
[01:42] <greg-g> haha, I hear ya
[01:42] <secretlondon> upstream is cool, and lug is cool
[01:42] <secretlondon> whether I continue with this after hardy is released I dunno
[01:42] <greg-g> what upstream?
[01:42] <secretlondon> I may end up doing gsoc mentoring
[01:42] <secretlondon> tux4kids
[01:43] <secretlondon> I'm involved in tuxpaint
[01:43] <greg-g> right on
[01:43] <secretlondon> we got google summer of code funding
[01:43] <secretlondon> but we dunno how many places yet
[01:44] <greg-g> cool
[02:11] <secretlondon> is it worth allocating firefox 3 bugs from firefox package to firefox 3 package?
[02:37] <JohnPhy1> anyone have any idea why plugging in a wireless mouse would cause intermittent audio issues in mplayer, but not in totem?
[02:39] <secretlondon> it sounds unconnected tbh. I can't see an obvious connection
[02:40] <secretlondon> totem and mplayer could be using different audio backends, or the mouse could be causing problems with cpu usage or memory which could affect audio play
[02:40] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I thought it was unconnected at first too, which is why it took me over a week to track it down.
[02:40] <JohnPhy1> I have watched the first 30 minutes of "casino royale" so many times trying to troubleshoot this!
[02:41] <secretlondon> have you tried with non video?
[02:41] <secretlondon> as video obviously used more resources
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> yeah, mp3's in listen seemed to have slight skips every once in a while as well, but not as severe as mplayer
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> in mplayer it was a giant drop
[02:41] <secretlondon> mplayer and totem can both play audio
[02:41] <JohnPhy1> funny thing is, I don't observe this issue in my laptop
[02:41] <catterly> secretlondon: regarding firefox -> firefox-3.0, that is a good question, I wish I knew the answer as well
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> only desktop
[02:42] <secretlondon> it could be a lack of ram
[02:42] <secretlondon> I dunno
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> .......maybe.......but it occurs even if it's the first thing I do, and I have a gig of ram
[02:42] <JohnPhy1> I'm just looking for ideas, as I'm fresh out
[02:43] <JohnPhy1> do you know what audio backend totem uses?
[02:43] <JohnPhy1> mplayer uses alsa on my setup, I know
[02:43] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, there is a script you can run on the wiki to help debug audio errors
[02:43] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, it can use gstreamer or xine
[02:44] <secretlondon> many people use totem -xine as it has better support for dvd menus
[02:44] <secretlondon> it'll all use alsa I expect, but hardy has pulse audio too just to add to the mix
[02:44] <secretlondon> audio is a mess ;
[02:44] <secretlondon> ;)
[02:45] <catterly> haha, isn't Pulse supposed to clean it all up?
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> lol I've noticed.  The issue occurs in gutsy and hardy
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon, can you give me the link to that script?
[02:45] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, I'll have a look
[02:45] <JohnPhy1> ty
[02:46] <secretlondon> JohnPhy1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:47] <secretlondon> but you could have a bug in mplayer..
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> well, skips in the audio occurred in listen as well.....can't remember if they also occurred in xmms
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> and it only happens when I plug in that mouse
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> but only on my desktop, not my laptop
[02:48] <JohnPhy1> my mind melted while working on this for a week or so
[02:55] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  thanks for the info
[02:55] <secretlondon> could be kernel, could be anything..
[02:55]  * secretlondon scrapes up your mind
[02:55] <JohnPhy1> lol thanks
[02:56] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  yeah, my only educated guess is either something with a different sound backend, or some goofy conflict between the modules that get loaded for this and my motherboard's chipset (since I cannot reproduce the bug on my laptop with a different chipset).  That, or just a hardware problem.
[02:58] <secretlondon> i'm guessing that playing video is resource hungry and a lack of resources is demonstrating itself as audio skipping
[02:58] <secretlondon> I suspect that mplayer is heavier than totem, and that video stresses your system more
[02:59] <secretlondon> this is why you don't really get it when you play aduio without video
[02:59] <secretlondon> oh - are you playing from a dvd drive or from a rip?
[02:59] <secretlondon> that could be another factor ;)
[03:00] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  yeah, I thought so too, but I didn't see anything obvious in the system monitor.  For a while it looked like there were spikes in network activity during the skips, but that wasn't always the case.  Then again, it's probably something not obvious.  Interestingly enough, it all occurred from rips (xvids and such).  DVD's didn't seem to be affected, though I don't think I went back and double checked.
[03:01] <secretlondon> it could be at the xine/gstreamer level, not as far up as alsa
[03:02] <secretlondon> i'll see what backend mplayer uses
[03:02] <JohnPhy1> the audio driver is alsa, I believe, not sure if that's the same thing as the "backend"
[03:03] <secretlondon> I think it actually uses it's own, although it depends on arts
[03:04]  * secretlondon isn't sure
[03:04] <secretlondon> totem by default uses gstreamer, but can use xine
[03:04] <secretlondon> and xine is still better for dvd menus afaik
[03:05]  * secretlondon is probbaly horribly confused
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I just use the xine-ui for playing dvd's most of the time
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> I really don't like the totem interface
[03:05] <secretlondon> ah so you are running totem xine?
[03:05] <JohnPhy1> I don't think so, is there a way I could check?
[03:06] <secretlondon> synpatic
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> totem-xine is not installed
[03:06] <secretlondon> you'll either have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> yeah, I've got totem-gstreamer
[03:06] <JohnPhy1> I got used to xine-ui back when I used fluxbox on debian, haven't found anything I like better
[03:07] <secretlondon> you may get a better feature set from running totem xine
[03:07] <JohnPhy1> ....never thought about that
[03:08] <calc> er i noticed a bug but don't know what to file it against
[03:08] <JohnPhy1> I just never liked what I saw in the preferences, too little options
[03:08] <secretlondon> calc: bug number?
[03:08] <JohnPhy1> I don't want like, kde level options, but a few more are nice
[03:09] <calc> it might happen in ubuntu as well as kubuntu but in kubuntu if you select install instead of boot it leaves the minimize button active
[03:09] <calc> so you can press it and then lose the installer
[03:09] <calc> secretlondon: haven't filed the bug yet
[03:09] <secretlondon> ok
[03:09] <calc> it might belong to ubiquity but i don't know for certain
[03:10] <secretlondon> calc: if it's the live cd installer then I'd file under ubiquity
[03:10] <secretlondon> if it is in the wrong place they can move (as they know the area the best)
[03:10] <calc> secretlondon: its the installer on the desktop cd but if you select install instead of try out
[03:11] <secretlondon> calc: ubiquity then
[03:12] <calc> ok
[03:14] <juaniv_a> hi
[03:15] <secretlondon> hi
[03:16] <techno_freak> hi
[03:17] <juaniv_a> how are you?
[03:18] <secretlondon> i'm ok
[03:18] <juaniv_a> good
[03:21] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  well I think I'll try "debugging" that issue some more by watching T2 DVD in mplayer :)
[03:22] <juaniv_a> lol
[03:22] <techno_freak> heh
[03:22] <juaniv_a> i have a problem with firefox
[03:22] <juaniv_a> in hardy heron beta
[03:23] <juaniv_a> it start as work offline
[03:23] <juaniv_a> it starts as work offline
[03:23] <juaniv_a> i search for this bug at launchpad
[03:24] <juaniv_a> and it says that as the netkwork managers seems disconnected firefox takes this with dbus
[03:24] <juaniv_a> but i'm connected with pppoe
[03:28] <secretlondon> juaniv_a, known bug
[03:28] <secretlondon> I habe the same connecting with wvdial
[03:29] <juaniv_a> is there a way to fix it ?
[03:30] <secretlondon> I set up a serial connection in network manager which (although it doesn't work) makes nm think i'm online all the time and have manual network configuration
[03:30] <secretlondon> now its gone away (for me)
[03:30] <secretlondon> it's an nm bug tbh, evolution affected to, and epiphany
[03:32] <catterly> Haha I really love all these, 'xxx stops working after resume from suspend' bugs in ubuntu-bugs-announce
[03:33] <catterly> I want to respond to all of them saying "Welcome to Ubuntu!" but that doesn't seem very positive or welcoming at all
[03:33] <secretlondon> they are acpi bugs probably
[03:44] <secretlondon> oh the main bug for the lang pack bug is #205440
[03:45] <secretlondon> oh the main bug for the lang pack bug is bug #205440
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[03:46] <greg-g> secretlondon: isn't that what I gave you before?
[03:46] <secretlondon> yes
[03:47] <secretlondon> but new people are in channel
[03:47] <greg-g> ahh, ok, just making sure
[03:47] <secretlondon> ideally we'd add to /topic
[03:47] <greg-g> I've had a lot of tabs with that bug or duplicate open today, so couldn't copied the wrong one
[03:48] <greg-g> that isn't a bad idea "Dupe-Of-The-Day: 205440"
[03:50] <secretlondon> yep
[03:50] <secretlondon> bug-de-jour
[03:50]  * secretlondon wonders what "select release series" means
[03:54] <greg-g> not sure, all I know is it is time for bed..
[03:55] <JohnPhy1> secretlondon:  that audio bug occurs when watching dvd's with mplayer
[03:55] <secretlondon> ok
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Can anybody make sense of bug #205866?
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205866 in galculator "[Hardy+PPA]:Cannot launch galculator from home screen, but can launch it from console, it doesn't hildonlized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205866
[06:16] <Fujitsu> menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa? Riight.
[06:23] <secretlondon> Fujitsu, it's presumably something to do with the mobile desktop
[06:24] <secretlondon> the rest of it, including where they got the package from I have *no* idea
[06:24] <Fujitsu> From the Hildon references I presume so... but there's no LP user named menlow, and we at any rate don't support PPA packages.
[06:27] <secretlondon> has lpia mention too, I read it as icon doesn't work, but program does run from the console
[06:28] <secretlondon> they originally wrote "Ubuntu HardyPPA image"
[06:28] <secretlondon> I wonder if they actually mean ppa
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Hildon is for mobile devices, so LPIA is pretty much implied... But the PPA bit has me mystified.
[06:28] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[06:28] <secretlondon> maybe lpia=ppa
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> No.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Menlow is one of Intel's mobile platforms.
[06:29] <secretlondon> or mbe (or whatever initials we use for mobile)
[06:29] <Fujitsu> So it's a valid bug.
[06:30] <Fujitsu> That image has been referred to by people in #ubuntu-mobile, so it must be real.
[06:30] <secretlondon> ah ok
[09:26] <bbrazil> how do I mark a bug as affecting hardy?
[10:38] <qense> hello
[10:39] <secretlondon> 2 recent submissions of bug #205440
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205440 in language-pack-en "package language-pack-en 1:8.04+20080308 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, »/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket language-pack-gnome-en ist" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205440
[10:39] <secretlondon> we'll prob get them all day
[10:39] <secretlondon> qense: hi
[10:40] <qense> I'll watch out for them
[11:22] <techno_freak> secretlondon leads today's 5-a-day ;)
[11:23] <secretlondon> mainly on duplicates ;)
[12:55] <catterly_m> so, I am trying to learn about things. Is bug #205728 invalid because it can be updated anyway without the exception?
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205728 in easycrypt "FeatureFreeze Exceptions for easycrypt-0.2.2.9" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205728
[12:58] <secretlondon> catterly_m I don't know, it was set as invalid as it is claimed that bugfix releases don't need an exception
[12:58] <secretlondon> I don't know if that is true or not
[12:58] <catterly_m> okay
[12:59] <catterly_m> secretlondon: and do you know, if a FeatureFreeze Exception was denied, would that be marked 'Won't Fix'?
[12:59] <secretlondon> invalid
[12:59] <catterly_m> that is confusing :[
[12:59] <secretlondon> as its not a proper bug ;)
[13:00] <secretlondon> won't fix is for bugs that are confirmed but we won't do anything about
[13:00] <catterly_m> yes I suppose, but to someone looking through they may not be able to tell whether it made it in or not
[13:00] <catterly_m> oh ok
[13:02] <secretlondon> all this stuff is on the wiki somewhere ;)
[13:02] <Iulian> Hey
[13:03] <secretlondon> hi Iulian
[13:03] <Iulian> Heya secretlondon
[13:07] <catterly_m> oh secretlondon, did you ever get a consensus on if changing ff3 bug packages from firefox to firefox-3.0 was worthwhile?
[13:07] <secretlondon> no-one replied
[13:07] <secretlondon> it's a public holiday..
[13:09] <pedro_> catterly_m: why do yu want to change them?
[13:10] <pedro_> we still have firefox on previous releases
[13:10] <secretlondon> pedro_ I asked, as there are two packages firefox and firefox 3, and some firefox3 bugs are against firefox
[13:11] <catterly_m> yeah pedro_ that is the exact point
[13:12] <catterly_m> firefox 2 is still in previous releases so if someone files a bug against ff3 but marks the package as just 'firefox', that might imply firefox 2
[13:12] <catterly_m> so I was wondering if bugs against ff3 should be marked firefox-3.0 and not firefox
[13:13] <secretlondon> It seems actually to make more sense for firefox3 and firefox to be merged, as we don't have separate packages for other new releases
[13:14] <qense> I agree with that
[13:14] <qense> we don't have gnome2.20
[13:14] <qense> but maybe there should be an option to select the Ubuntu version to make things easier for us and the developers
[13:14] <catterly_m> I guess, firefox 3 is radically different from 2, though
[13:15] <catterly_m> trying to find a ff3 bug in ff2 or vice versa would be silly and most likely a waste of time
[13:15] <pedro_> qense: indeed having version support on LP would be really nice
[13:18] <qense> firefox is quite different, but there are more packages who change a lot
[13:18] <catterly_m> yeah, I am just wondering what the best way to manage it is
[13:19] <qense> it is true that it can work confusing, but that also is the case with ubuntu releases
[13:19] <catterly_m> if a firefox dev wants to say, what are the bugs ubuntu users are experiencing in the hardy beta, can they do that via distro?
[13:19] <catterly_m> or would they need the firefox vs firefox-3.0 distincition
[13:21] <qense> something else. I sent an email to the bugsquad mailing list, but it hasn't come through the filter since I accidentiatly used my dutch email address. But I think it can be discussed here too.
[13:22] <qense> the idea is too send an email to all upstream maintainers to ask what they'd like to have included in bug reports
[13:22] <catterly_m> okay
[13:22] <qense> we can document that on the wiki
[13:22] <pedro_> better to ask to asac about it
[13:22] <pedro_> since he's the maintainer of whole firefox on ubuntu
[13:22] <qense> and have a checklist to check if the bug contains enough information to forward it upstream
[13:22] <pedro_> we may tell us what's the better for his work
[13:22] <pedro_> and how we can help there
[13:23] <pedro_> s/we/he
[13:23] <catterly_m> it just seems like given an upcoming release and package, there should be a way for devs to determine what bugs against that package will apply to the upcoming release and which will be irrelevant (as they are against an old version and not applicable to the new one in some way)
[13:24] <catterly_m> maybe there is already a way, I am new and don't know that much about the process yet :]
[13:24] <pedro_> that would require a lot of magic :-P
[13:25] <qense> bugzilla has a function to select the version
[13:25] <qense> maybe malone would need something like that too
[13:25] <catterly_m> yeah I think it would just require selecting the version of the package
[13:25] <catterly_m> that seems pretty powerful
[13:27] <qense> is there something like Brainstorm for Launchpad?
[13:28] <pedro_> bug 424
[13:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 424 in malone "Bugs have no fields to specify package or product versions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424
[13:28] <qense> quite an old bug
[13:29] <qense> what the heck, bug 1000 is older
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1000 in ubuntu "There are too many bug reports in Malone" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000
[13:29] <qense> bug 10000*
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 10000 in xorg "xserver-common: X crashed (signal 7) while scrolling in Mozilla" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10000
[13:30] <secretlondon> bug 1000 seems always true ;)
[13:30] <qense> :P
[13:30] <Pici> bug 100000 :(
[13:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[13:31] <pedro_> hahaha
[13:31] <pedro_> nice
[13:31] <qense> that's one weird bug report
[13:33] <qense> he was just in time to report it though
[14:06] <secretlondon> hi bddebian
[14:07] <bddebian> Hi secretlondon
[14:09] <hspaans> can someone confirm a bug in baobab in hardy about moving files to the wrong trash location?
[14:09] <qense> what's the bug number?
[14:10] <hspaans> not yet, I'm trying to see if its a real bug
[14:10] <qense> oh
[14:12] <Iulian> bddebian: No boo today?
[14:12] <Iulian> I'm very disappointed.
[14:12] <bddebian> Doh, yeah, forgot that.. :-(
[14:12] <bddebian> BOOOOOO :)
[14:12]  * Iulian m00s!
[14:13] <Iulian> That's better :)
[14:14] <andersja> hi all, I was directed here from the ubuntu-devel chat
[14:14] <andersja> I've got a problem with Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453 and I was wondering if someone could be kind enough to triage it for a start
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:14] <andersja> it's a complete show stopper for many "mom&pop" desktop users
[14:17] <andersja> as a minimum; a quick triage would be great. suggestions for fixing it before Hardy final would be even better :-)
[14:20] <andersja> anyone?
[14:20] <hspaans> qense: #206017
[14:21] <qense> bug 206017
[14:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206017 in gnome-utils "baobab uses wrong trash location" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206017
[14:21] <qense> now we ve got the link :)
[14:22] <hspaans> *g*
[14:22] <secretlondon> andersja, it's confirmed
[14:22] <secretlondon> it doesn't need triaging
[14:23] <qense> hspaans, is it confirmed by other people than you?
[14:24] <hspaans> qense: official no, I heard people complain yesterday on #ubuntu+1 and my OpenSolaris box hasn't 2.22 yet to see if its an error in GNOME
[14:25] <qense> you could look at bugzilla.gnome.org if it is reported there
[14:26] <hspaans> qense: no refs there, I'm still searching code to see if its an issue in gnome
[14:26] <andersja> secretlondon: can't someone set it to "Medium" or something? I set it to Confirmed myself...?
[14:27] <secretlondon> andersja, did you submit it too?
[14:34] <secretlondon> modem died
[14:34] <Pici> my condolences
[14:35] <secretlondon> looking at the bug I don't know what I could do to it. We know skype doesn't work with pulse audio etc
[14:36] <qense> did I exit from this channel?
[14:36] <qense> anyway
[14:36] <qense> hello
[14:37] <hspaans> 15:27 -!- qense [n=qense@ck523187-a.dokku1.fr.home.nl] has left #ubuntu-bugs ["Ik ga weg"]
[14:37] <qense> oh :P
[14:37] <qense> I think I accidentiatly closed it
[15:05] <hspaans> are bugs 180794 and 205496 not covering the same issue?
[15:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180794 in sane-backends "access to usb device denied in latest hardy package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180794
[15:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205496 in xsane "[Hardy]Xsane needs root to operate scanner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205496
[15:06] <qense> I think so
[15:54]  * qense is away: I'm busy
[16:00] <asac> qense: if you have questions about mozilla bugs, please join #ubuntu-mozillateam :) ... we certainly can need more folks helping on ffox bug triage :)
[16:01] <rgrig> meta-bug: i want to report some "package not installable" bugs reported by apt-get. i'm searching (at launchpad.net) for "not installable" (with quotes) and i get about 10000 answers, most of them not mentioning that phrase
[16:01] <rgrig> google does a better job
[16:01] <rgrig> is there a better solution to figure out what was reported already?
[16:03]  * qense is back (gone 00:09:41)
[16:04] <james_w> rgrig: looking at the bug lists for the specific package will be a good start to narrow it down.
[16:09] <rgrig> james_w, is there a way to search for bugs of a particular package (other than adding the name in the simple search)?
[16:12] <james_w> rgrig: go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sourcepackagename
[16:13] <james_w> then search there, you'll see the URL format that you need.
[16:13] <rgrig> james_w, thanks
[16:29] <burner> ok, so I try to double-click a .tar.lzma file in nautilus and it doesn't know to open it with file-roller.  Where do I report this bug?  nautilus?  file-roller?  mime-type-blah-blah?
[16:32] <james_w> file-roller.desktop lists "application/x-lzma-compressed-tar", so perhaps it is at fault. How to know what mimetype is detected for that file?
[16:37] <burner> uhh...  so you're saying it should open that file
[16:37] <burner> it didn't on my machine and on a friend of mine
[16:38] <burner> here's what I did.  1.) right click file, create archive 2.) pick .tar.lzma 3.) try to double-click new .tar.lzma file
[16:38] <james_w> what creates the file? nautilus or file-roller?
[16:39] <james_w> and is the error message that it is an unsupported format, or that the file is corrupt?
[16:40] <burner> file-roller
[16:40] <james_w> it works ok for me.
[16:41] <james_w> when I double click it though it opens it in gthumb (I used an image file), rather than file-roller.
[16:41] <james_w> Open With... file-roller works though
[16:44] <rgrig> should bug reports involving universe/multiverse be filed in launchpad or only bugs related to packages in main?
[16:46] <james_w> all sections are in launchpad, so yes, universe and multiverse as well
[16:49] <burner> no no, the problem is that it doesn't recognize .tar.lzma by default
[16:51] <james_w> ah, sorry, I misread
[16:53] <james_w> so it's either file-roller for not listing the mimetype in its .desktop file, or whatever detects the mimetypes for detecting the wrong one.
[16:53] <james_w> so, I think if you open a bug report against both the right people will see it to decide.
[16:53] <james_w> explain why you have filed it against both.
[16:53] <james_w> do you know how to file against two packages?
[17:05] <rgrig> ok, here's the problem: in main+universe+multiverse+restricted there are about 150 non-installable packages. what's the best way to report it? main by itself is ok. (this is found by a tool we wrote as a side-effect of some research)
[17:07] <rgrig> (that's about 0.5% of the total number of packages)
[17:19] <james_w> is this edos?
[17:20] <rgrig> no
[17:21] <james_w> rgrig: you could either file bugs on all the packages.
[17:21] <james_w> or you could keep an up to date list on a webpage and get people to start fixing the bugs on it
[17:21] <james_w> http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~fujitsu/debcheck/
[17:23] <rgrig> thanks for the pointers. we weren't aware of it.
[17:23] <rgrig> we'll check if our information has anything new compared to that
[17:24] <james_w> checkout the edos-debcheck package as well
[17:40] <qense> I think bug 206031 could be a problem in handling the CD, can anyone tell something more about this?
[17:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206031 in console-tools "package console-tools 1:0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206031
[18:34] <qense> hello
[18:35] <qense>  I think bug 206031 could be a problem in handling the CD, can anyone tell something more about this?
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206031 in console-tools "package console-tools 1:0.2.3dbs-65ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206031
[18:44] <james_w> qense: it looks like it, it might be worth getting them to do the cd integrity check you can do on the boot menu
[18:44] <qense> ok
[18:44] <qense> I hope it isn't an error in the CD program
[20:46] <Nightrose> A
[20:47] <Nightrose> sorry cat on keyboard :P
[20:48] <wolfger> teach the cat to triage :-)
[20:49] <Nightrose> lol I will try to
[20:49]  * Nightrose asks Sully what she thinks about triaging bugs
[20:55] <Iulian> Sully? :P
[20:55] <Iulian> Is that it's name?
[20:55] <Nightrose> it is :P
[20:56] <Iulian> Heh
[22:14] <jussio1> bug day!! :)
[22:22] <Iulian> jussio1: Bug day?
[22:22] <Iulian> Do we have one today?
[22:22] <Iulian> I mean tomorrow.
[22:23] <james_w> Iulian: yep, it was announced late.
[22:23] <james_w> *ubiquity*
[22:23] <jussio1> yes, its today here :)
[22:23] <jussio1> ubiquity
[22:23] <Iulian> Cool
[22:24] <Iulian> I haven't received the message.
[22:24]  * Iulian checks evo
[22:25] <Iulian> Uhmm, that's very strange.
[23:51] <savvas> need a hand with a bug report, i used places > connect to server to connect to an ssh/sftp server, now it seems i can't connect to it or unmount it, I get this error:
[23:51] <savvas> Unable to unmount sftp on example.com
[23:51] <savvas> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[23:53] <savvas> what package should I add in the bug report? and should i include a log of some sort? using sftp from the command line seems to connect fine by the way
[23:58] <savvas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/206267 - if anyone has time, please give it a quick view later, thanks :)
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206267 in ubuntu "Unable to unmount sftp" [Undecided,New]