[00:01] <hmuller> Can anyone explain how or where displayconfig-gtk gets its initial settings?
[00:02] <slangasek> I believe it gets it from the current xserver state
[00:05] <johanbr> hmuller: If you're who I think you are, thank you for the Inspiron 1420 sound instructions. :)
[00:06] <hmuller> johanbr: np, it's nice to have that and the mics working.  props to crimsun (d. chen) for getting that fixed for us.
[00:42] <pwnguin> aha. i found the reason graphical boot stops early for me
[00:42] <pwnguin> bug #203429
[00:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203429 in initramfs-tools "resume script missing functions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203429
[00:53] <Fujitsu> Hmm, should gnome-display-properties let me turn my last screen off?
[01:04] <pwnguin> think of the power savings!
[01:29] <j1mc> hi all - are the build logs for daily ISO builds available to look at?  i wanted to see why xubuntu iso's aren't being generated.
[01:31] <slangasek> they aren't being generated because there are alternate CD test candidates waiting for sign-off from the xubuntu developers as a beta for
[01:32] <slangasek> s/ for//
[01:33] <j1mc> slangasek: are the test images the 3/21 images?
[01:33] <slangasek> 3/22
[01:33] <j1mc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20080322/  hmm
[01:34] <slangasek> oh, well, I guess they failed
[01:34] <slangasek> and I should look into that, thanks :)
[01:34] <j1mc> thank you.  :)
[01:35] <j1mc> i'll keep an eye on the daily folder, and will test when a new image is generated
[01:35] <slangasek> ah, it's that darned not-sure-if-we're-up-to-date-in-universe bug again
[01:36] <j1mc> slangasek: is it anything i should ping cody somerville about, or do you know what needs to be done?
[01:36] <slangasek> if it's the bug I think it is, it's a build environment bug, not a xubuntu bug
[01:36] <slangasek> so, let's see what happens this round
[01:36] <slangasek> sorry, I should've checked for success when I posted them
[01:37] <j1mc> np.  i will check on them tomorrow morning.
[01:37] <j1mc> thanks for your help
[01:40] <slangasek> looks like we're good this time, just by virtue of what time of day it's running
[01:41] <j1mc> hm, ok.
[01:42] <j1mc> thanks again.  i'll try to gather up a few testers, and we'll report our results on the QA site.  it might not be until later tomorrow until we report results there, though.
[01:46] <slangasek> images are up now :)
[01:46] <slangasek> adding to the ISO tracker
[01:50] <j1mc> thanks.  :)
[02:05] <xhaker> slangasek: hi, is there an easy answer for, why wouldn't ubuntu-restricted-extras recommend ttf-liberation instead of msttcorefonts now?
[02:07] <slangasek> xhaker: not one that I know
[02:07] <Fujitsu> xhaker: If you're already wanting a heap of non-free stuff, why not go with the least free option?
[02:08] <slangasek> well, "why not go with the 100% guaranteed compatible option"
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Why is ttf-liberation in multiverse when its description starts with `Free'?
[02:08] <xhaker> Fujitsu: hahaha, that was funny :D
[02:08] <Fujitsu> slangasek: That's sort of what I meant. Why go for the more free option that might not be compatible, if you want non-free stuff in the first place?
[02:09]  * slangasek nods
[02:09] <xhaker> well, the normal use case is for people to install ubuntu-rextricted-extras when they need support for proprietary stuff, when they don't have a choice
[02:10] <xhaker> often flash player and codecs
[02:10] <Fujitsu> The aim of u-r-e is to install a full suite of non-free goodness.
[02:10] <xhaker> Fujitsu: let me explain, you're too fast to respond
[02:11] <xhaker> Fujitsu: one of those items is the java plugin, and the dependency was changed to icedtea-gcjplugin, since java is now very much free with openjdk
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:12] <xhaker> so you already have something free in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:12] <xhaker> but i think it should be there for the upgraders?
[02:13] <xhaker> someone should s/restricted-extras/extras/
[02:14] <slangasek> as long as icedtea-gcjwebplugin is still in universe, that's probably a reasonable place to have the dependency.  Once it can be moved to main (I think the plan is to do this for intrepid), then ubuntu-desktop can probably do the job of pulling it in
[02:14] <j1mc> actually, u-r-e doesn't currently pull in the java or icedtea plugin
[02:14] <slangasek> j1mc: recommends: icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:14] <Fujitsu> slangasek: Java in the default install? Not bad.
[02:15]  * xhaker happy!
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Speaking of Java, somebody needs to upload a new Sun Java to multiverse to fix a heap of security issues.
[02:15] <slangasek> Fujitsu: I'm not speaking with any authority here, just saying that it seems to me that part of the reason to put it in main would be to install it by default :)
[02:15] <Fujitsu> slangasek: Indeed.
[02:16] <johanbr> Why does u-r-e recommend all those packages, rather than depend on them?
[02:16] <ScottK2> johanbr: So you can removed them if you don't want them without removing the metapackage.
[02:16] <xhaker> johanbr: recommends get installed by default anyway, but you might not need all of it :)
[02:16] <ScottK2> metapackage recommends are installed by default.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Doesn't aptitude install all recommends by default?
[02:17] <j1mc> apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras | grep Recommends
[02:17] <j1mc> Recommends: flashplugin-nonfree, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-pitfdll, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, libdvdread3, liblame0, msttcorefonts, unrar
[02:17] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: apt does not for other than metapackages IIRC.
[02:17] <ion_> apt-cache depends ubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't show anything java-related here either. Fresh apt-get update from archive.ubuntu.com.
[02:17] <slangasek> hmm? how does apt know which ones are metapackages?
[02:18] <ion_> From the Section field.
[02:18] <johanbr> Yes. But most metapackages don't use Recommends. If you turn off installing Recommends, installing u-r-e won't do anything.
[02:18] <xhaker> looking at that list, isn't our vision to replace everything there with free counterparts?
[02:18] <slangasek> oh, and apt in Ubuntu keys on that field? interesting
[02:19] <johanbr> slangasek: See /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[02:21] <Fujitsu> Hmm, has the default CFLAGS changed since February?
[02:21] <Fujitsu> mplayer now FTBFS, and unsetting CFLAGS fixes it.
[02:23] <RAOF> We now add -Bsymbolic, don't we?
[02:23] <Fujitsu> THat's LDFLAGS.
[02:23]  * RAOF checks his build mail.
[02:24] <RAOF> Whoops, so it is.  I suck.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Do I get murdered for unsetting CFLAGS in debian/rules?
[02:44] <RAOF> Fujitsu: No, I don't believe so.  I've noticed a couple of packages that unset one or more of CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, or LD
[02:44] <RAOF> LDFLAGS to fix FTBFS.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> I've already unset LDFLAGS in two at the advice of upstream.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> The LDFLAGS changes caused tooooo many issues.
[03:13] <pwnguin> there was a wiki about the flags
[03:17]  * jdong gets frustrated at crappy cflags on Handbrake
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, you trying to get handbrake packaged for interpid?
[03:18] <superm1> intrepid even
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: I will
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, haha
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: I even considerd it partially for Hardy
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, have you looked at it's build process?
[03:18] <superm1> jdong, and all the patching it does to source packages during the builds?
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: but it was 2 wks before FFe and I saw 4 or 5 motumedia packages that'd need upstream versions
[03:18] <jdong> superm1: actually, overall handbrake's build process didn't look terribly bad
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: sure it fetches specific versions of media libs
[03:19] <superm1> jdong, yeah there's probably a good reason for that..
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: but it's not like *cough* gstreamer,vlc,mplayer,*cough* don't do the same
[03:19] <superm1> i won't argue though.
[03:19] <superm1> if you get it in, i'll be happy
[03:19] <jdong> superm1: yeah I'll try to get it in, linked against system libs, doing an update wherever necessary in Intrepid
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: if that fails I plan on forking it again :)
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: its x264 encoding abilities are too good to ignore
[03:20] <superm1> i started to look at it shortly after school got done and started to cry when i saw all the stuff it did
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: oh the build system is out.
[03:20] <superm1> jdong, yeah it's the only way to get stuff "nicely" onto my touch
[03:20] <jdong> superm1: that's without a doubt
[03:29] <pwnguin> hmm
[03:30] <pwnguin> apparently livejournal doens't like images for free
[03:30] <pwnguin> that's gonna make this bootchart blog a challenge ;)
[03:30] <pwnguin> jdong: you happen to have a bootchart image you'd like to brag about?
[03:32] <jdong> pwnguin: http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/macbook/hardy-upstart-defragged.png
[03:32] <pwnguin> <p class="flickr-yourcomment">
[03:32] <jdong> pwnguin: keep in mind my slow laptop hd speed
[03:32] <pwnguin> oops
[03:32] <jdong> but I don't think 19s is bad :)
[03:32] <pwnguin> heh
[03:32] <pwnguin> well, you've only got to beat my 23
[03:33] <jdong> pwnguin: well I win then :)
[03:33] <jdong> pwnguin: go upstart :D
[03:34] <pwnguin> thats the point here
[03:34] <pwnguin> ive documented several easy fixes that will mostly succomb to entropy
[03:34] <jdong> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~uphackers/uphack/uphack-tools I'm starting to work on an auto-upstart converter :)
[03:34] <pwnguin> ah
[03:34] <pwnguin> even more informative ;)
[03:34] <jdong> I've confirmed it to half boot but I need to add the TTY jobs
[03:35] <jdong> meh but first I need to finish my homework :)
[03:36] <pwnguin> ah, the last day of spring break here
[04:02] <emgent> night gang, i go to sleep
[04:12] <poningru> halp
[04:12] <poningru> I think either NetworkManager or NetworkManagerDispatcher cant get my localtime and hence is hanging on connection to an authenticated wifi
[04:12] <poningru> actually come to think of it to anywifi
[04:13] <poningru> and then any connection there after
[04:15] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60824/
[04:16] <poningru> strace of networkmanager
[04:16] <poningru> I attached it when it was starting to connect
[04:17] <poningru> to my wpa2 psk ap
[04:18] <poningru> then the repetition stuff comes in when I pluged in my cat5 and clicked on wired from nm
[04:18] <poningru> the repeater stuff towards the end
[04:19] <poningru> the output from networkmanager dispatcher was similar
[04:19] <poningru> except the end stuff
[04:20] <poningru> I'm running a bcm94311MCG rev 02 card
[04:21] <poningru> oh and nm-applet is like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60827/
[04:22] <poningru> ALWAYS
[04:22] <poningru> so I dont know wtf is going on
[04:22] <poningru> ... I guess that was a bug report...
[04:29] <ScottK> poningru: Make sure you've got the latest hal installed.
[04:29] <poningru> checking
[04:30] <poningru> through the repos or trunk?
[04:30] <poningru> HAL package version: 0.5.11rc2
[04:31] <poningru> I think thats the latest
[04:31] <poningru> ScottK^^^
[04:32] <poningru> dpkgreconfiguring hal
[04:34] <superm1> can anyone think of an init script that properly uses udevsettle at the moment?
[04:34] <poningru> ok trying to reconnect to wifi... or should I restart? I think hald got restarted by the dpkg-reconfigure
[04:34] <superm1> or udevadm better yet
[04:35] <poningru> superm1: iscsi iirc
[04:35] <poningru> hold on
[04:35] <poningru> yes
[04:35] <superm1> would you mind posting it so i dont have to hunt down the source package?
[04:35] <poningru> /etc/init.d/open-iscsi does
[04:35] <poningru> err ok sure
[04:35] <superm1> thanks a bunch :)
[04:35] <poningru> oh pastebin it?
[04:35] <poningru> or to a bug?
[04:35] <superm1> pastebin
[04:35] <poningru> kk
[04:36] <superm1> i'm just trying to fix another package that i think i mis-used it before
[04:36] <superm1> and didn't realize
[04:36] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60828/
[04:37] <superm1> awesome thanks alot
[04:37] <poningru> well obviously udev aswell but... you know
[04:37] <superm1> yeah.
[04:38] <slangasek> poningru: contents of /var/log/syslog are probably going to be more useful than an strace of n-m
[04:38] <poningru> ooh thanks
[04:38] <slangasek> could you also try /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart?
[04:39] <slangasek> (I'm not sure that upgrading hal will fix a network-manager that's gotten itself into a wedged state)
[04:40] <poningru> trying
[04:41] <poningru> hmm hold on
[04:48] <poningru> :( no diff
[04:49] <poningru> I tried dpkg-reconfiguring NetworkManager which restarted it and NetworkManagerDispatcher
[04:49] <poningru> slangasek^^
[04:49] <poningru> oh on an IRC proxy thats why it looked like I didnt disconnect
[04:50] <poningru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60829/
[04:50] <poningru> btw
[04:51] <poningru> from syslog
[04:59] <poningru> the weird thing is after I do a NetworkManager restart I can connect to wired through nm
[05:00] <poningru> but not ANY wifi
[05:00] <poningru> even open ones
[05:00] <Fujitsu> poningru: Have you restarted hal, then NM?
[05:01] <poningru> no let me try
[05:01] <poningru> /etc/init.d/hald right?
[05:01] <slangasek> signal 11
[05:02] <Fujitsu> No d.
[05:02] <slangasek> poningru: you said you have hal 0ubuntu2 installed?
[05:02] <slangasek> oh, you only said 0.5.11~rc2
[05:02] <slangasek> poningru: we need to know the exact Debian version of hal that's installed
[05:03] <poningru> Version: 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2
[05:03] <slangasek> 1ubuntu1 is broken. 1ubuntu2 is supposed to be fixed... ok.
[05:03] <slangasek> hang on a second then, let me dig up a bug
[05:03] <slangasek> bug #204868
[05:03] <poningru> :) thanks
[05:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204868 in network-manager "NM can't use wireless networks" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204868
[05:03] <slangasek> there's a patch in there; can you rebuild NM using that patch and see if that fixes things for you?
[05:04] <slangasek> (if so, I'll raise that bug back to high and re-milestone it)
[05:04] <slangasek> (... and fix it, since Germany's on holiday today)
[05:04] <poningru> ah!! sweet
[05:04] <poningru> yeah doing that now
[05:07] <slangasek> you said your wireless was broadcom?
[05:08] <poningru> yeah
[05:08] <poningru> bcm94311MCG rev02
[05:08] <slangasek> ok
[05:09] <slangasek> which wireless driver do you use, ndiswrapper or bcm43xx?
[05:09] <poningru> err actually b43
[05:09] <slangasek> or that one :-)
[05:09] <slangasek> ok
[05:12] <poningru> yeah getting the build deps
[05:12] <poningru> thanks for helping with this
[05:13] <poningru> could have sworn I searched launchpad
[05:15] <slangasek> well, I seem to have lowered the severity of that bug report in error; sorry, there've been enough false-positive duplicates that it's been hard to sort out what's what
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Anybody know off hand of any recent bugs about the kernel hanging in initramfs?
[05:31] <poningru> w00t slangasek danke
[05:31] <poningru> that worked
[05:34] <slangasek> poningru: thanks, working on getting the fix uploaded
[05:35]  * jdong sets up crackbook64
[05:35] <jdong> and it's exactly what you think it is.
[05:36] <jdong> x86-64 macbook Hardy, pieces of the system loopmounted over HFS+, upstart booted, and otherwise broken beyond all repair :)
[05:36] <jdong> oh yeah, XFS.
[05:36] <jdong> expect lots of whining and bugs soon ;-)
[05:37] <Fujitsu> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[05:38] <jdong> :)
[05:38] <jdong> 55% in 2 minutes
[05:38] <jdong> this is gonna be a fun Hardy box
[05:38] <poningru> lol
[05:39] <poningru> I thought it was this http://www.theinternetnowinhandybookform.com/crackbook/
[05:42] <milli> Fujitsu: I had a corrupted ramdisk error yesterday, with 2.6.24-12-server on my AMD64 box.  Doing a dpkg-reconfigure fixed it, but it was somewhat painful figuring out that needed to happen, given console access was needed to see what it was hanging on boot.
[05:42] <milli> I'm guessing perhaps ran out of disk space the last time update-initramfs ran...  *shrug*
[05:43] <Fujitsu> milli: My initramfs looks fine.
[05:44] <milli> I get this though, which worries me a little...  since I'm using root-RAID...
[05:44] <milli> Done.
[05:44] <milli> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...
[05:44] <milli> [   48.564492] mdadm[2756]: segfault at 4 rip 41751c rsp 7ffffcbf0ca0 error 4
[05:44] <milli> Done.
[05:44] <milli>  * Setting the system clock
[05:45] <milli> but system comes up okay...
[05:45] <Fujitsu> That doesn't look optimal.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> I'm root-on-LVM-on-crypto.
[05:47] <milli> I'm guessing auto-starting all 3 RAID arrays is what saves it.
[05:48] <TheMuso_> 5~/c
[05:49] <TheMuso_> ugh
[08:52] <warp10> Good morning
[10:52] <tbf> hmm... ENOKEYBUK
[11:04] <Company> that almost looked like a real error value
[11:05] <Company> but it's more than 8 letters
[11:05] <Company> EKEYBUK would fit
[11:06] <tbf> Company: well, just need someone to fix my libtool issues....
[11:06] <tbf> Company: and keybuk was such a strong defender of this brokeness called libtool, that he offered me to debug such isses
[11:07] <tbf> issues
[11:07] <tbf> stupid libtool finds /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.la, but still insists in linking in /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so
[11:08] <tbf> i hate libtool
[11:09] <tbf> seems its main problem is to assume the full file name, not just the base name of an .so is significant
[11:48]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:50] <Hobbsee> yay, u-r-e discussions
[13:35] <_MMA_> Can someone take a quick look at Bug #205628? Seems users aren't in the scanner group now. Link to the forum thread might better explain the issue.
[13:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205628 in xsane "[Hardy] xsane reports all devices as busy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205628
[13:36] <james_w> bug #205496 seems perhaps related
[13:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205496 in xsane "[Hardy]Xsane needs root to operate scanner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205496
[13:36] <_MMA_> Ahh... Yeah.
[13:37] <james_w> _MMA_: is the scanner option checked in Users and Groups for your user?
[13:38] <james_w> if so does "scanner" show up in the output of "id"?
[13:38] <_MMA_> Nope. Im reading through the other bug also.
[13:38] <_MMA_> Ill mark mine as a dupe.
[13:38] <james_w> ok
[13:39] <james_w> do you happen to know if that option used to be activated for your user?
[13:40] <_MMA_> I do knot know for sure. All I do know is that it worked.I can look at the alpha6 live disk to see if it was then look at the beta disk.
[13:40] <evand> So this is probably related to a change I made to user-setup a while back (1.16ubuntu2).  According to pitti, we no longer use the scanner group.  pitti is this still the case?
[13:44] <cdr> matthew barrett, are you here? :)
[13:47] <james_w> _MMA_: what's the user:group permissions on your scanner device in /dev?
[13:49] <james_w> the "scanner" group is used in several udev rules on my box at least.
[13:49] <james_w> (non-custom rules)
[13:49] <mjg59> cdr: Do you mean Garrett?
[13:49] <_MMA_> james_w: Sorry. I jumped into the alpha6 live disk to look over things.
[13:49] <james_w> _MMA_: no problem, do you have your scanner plugged in?
[13:49] <cdr> mjg59: unless you spent the past week in the french alps, i don't think so =)
[13:50] <_MMA_> james_w: yep
[13:50] <mjg59> cdr: I did
[13:50] <james_w> _MMA_: i don't know what the scanner node will be called, ls -l /dev/scanner might help
[13:52] <_MMA_> james_w: Hmm... Tells me cannot access /dev/scanner. No such file or dir.
[13:53] <james_w> _MMA_: sorry, the node is named something different then. Is there anything in /dev that looks like your scanner?
[13:54] <james_w> _MMA_: or "find /dev -group scanner"
[13:55] <_MMA_> Ok. That got it. "parport0" Its a USB scanner.
[13:58] <james_w> so it appears as though the scanner group is still used, and so the user-setup change should be backed out.
[13:58] <_MMA_> james_w: "ls -l /dev/parport0" gives me: "crw-rw---- 1 lp scanner 99" This is using the Alpha6 disk. Want me to look at the Beta disk ow an installed system?
[13:58] <_MMA_> s/ow/or
[13:59] <james_w> _MMA_: that should be ok I think. Confirming on the latest version would be nice, but at least we know what the problem is
[13:59] <_MMA_> james_w: Ok. Of there's nothing needed from the alpha Ill go to my installed system.
[14:01] <james_w> I don't see anything in udev's changelog to suggest that it has stopped using the scanner group.
[14:05] <_MMA_> james_w: Not that it means anything to me but "ls -l /dev/parport0" gives me "crw-rw---- 1 lp scanner 99, 0" on an installed system. The "0" is extra vs. the live alpha.
[14:05] <james_w> _MMA_: I'm not sure what that means.
[14:06] <james_w> _MMA_: the scanner group is still used though, so it's the same problem.
[14:06] <_MMA_> Sre.
[14:06] <james_w> Did you see that someone just posted to the bug report saying that there is a fix in Debian we should take?
[14:06] <_MMA_> gah. Sure.
[14:06] <james_w> unfortunately they didn't say which package.
[14:06] <_MMA_> I just got the email but didnt look yet.
[14:08] <_MMA_> james_w: I can only guess the poster means xsane.
[14:09] <james_w> _MMA_: libsane it appears.
[14:11] <andersja> hi all; could someone with triaging-rights on launchpad please take a quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
[14:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio prevents programs relying on ALSA to work correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:12] <andersja> it's a PulseAudio bug currently blocking a number of apps (incl 3rd party apps like skype) from working
[14:12] <andersja> it's a quite high impact usability issue for mom&pop users: the installation of app goes fine, no warning, but when run the machine hangs completely - kernel-panic style
[14:13] <james_w> andersja: if all you are looking for is someone to set the importance then #ubuntu-bugs has people who can do that.
[14:13] <andersja> hard to debug for non-power-users and requires a hard reboot in some cases :-o
[14:13] <james_w> _MMA_: debian/rules: Do not install the udev rules, since hal now provides dynamic ACLs on device nodes. (See hardy-hardware-detection spec.)
[14:13] <andersja> james: if anyone could have a look at it with a view to fix it'd not be bad either: Hardy is supposed to be an LTS release && this is not very user-friendly
[14:13] <james_w> _MMA_: from the sane-backends changelog.
[14:14] <james_w> andersja: I agree, I was just wanting to point you to the best place for your query. If you want to work with someone on fixing it then here is definitely the better place.
[14:14] <james_w> _MMA_: I've got to eat now, I'll keep digging after lunch.
[14:15] <andersja> thanks James, I've now also dropped a line on ubuntu-bugs
[14:15] <_MMA_> james_w: Ok. Odd thing is, add ing myself to the scanner group didnt work here. :(
[14:15] <james_w> _MMA_: ah, that sucks.
[14:17] <_MMA_> james_w: Works strait out with sudo. Get some lunch. Ill be around.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> dear networkmanager, please *don't* be a bitch.  Thankyou.
[14:30] <laga> Hobbsee: many people before you have asked that..
[14:30] <Hobbsee> laga: networkmanager and i have had a good working relationship for multiple releases now.  i'd hate to lose that.
[14:31] <laga> heh :)
[15:19] <butt3rz> goodmorning all
[15:20] <butt3rz> i'm a freebsd developer and am interested in this project now as i use it on the majority of my workstations -- i've read the developer documentation on the site -- where would you recommend i start contributions?
[15:21] <beuno> butt3rz, there is a good mapge about this in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[15:22] <beuno> and some specific information on helping with packaging in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[15:23] <butt3rz> alright, appreciated
[15:23] <beuno> welcome  :)
[15:23] <ScottK> It looks like my kdebase upload yesterday made artigas fall over and die.  I'd appreciate it if a buildd admin would have a look at it.
[15:26] <butt3rz> also, i've been wondering about a few things and wanted to throw it by some other people -- the kernels presented by ubuntu -- those i assume (never used them) are vanilla images -- or they have a few ubuntu patches applied by the overseeing developer -- why not add prepatches and mm patches?  and say for people on the PPC platform -benh patches? -- though benh packages his stuff for everyone really since he uses debian
[15:28] <beuno> butt3rz, that kind of question seems like a better fit in #ubuntu-kernel or in the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[15:28] <mjg59> butt3rz: No, they're nowhere near vanilla
[15:28] <butt3rz> mjg59 , well i have no idea -- like i said ive never used them -- but i appreciate the update :)
[15:28] <mjg59> butt3rz: However, we don't ship anything that's not expected to be stable. -pre and -mm don't fall into that category.
[15:31] <butt3rz> mjg59 , so you don't think this would make sense even as an option?
[15:32] <butt3rz> i suppose if people know about them they can spend the time to patch themselves
[15:32] <mjg59> butt3rz: No, because they'd be out of date before we released
[15:33] <butt3rz> what do you mean? -- a full ubuntu release or release them to apt
[15:34] <butt3rz> mjg59 , should i move this to ubuntu-kernel?
[15:34] <mjg59> butt3rz: Feel free
[15:34] <butt3rz> mjg59 , i appreciate your help :)
[15:34] <butt3rz> have a good one
[15:53] <james_w> _MMA_: I'm getting a little lost down in hal land, so perhaps this needs the touch of someone more experienced in that area.
[15:54] <james_w> however the referenced spec states "Device ownership: Make removable USB devices (scanners, cameras, external hard disks, etc.) accessible to the user on the current foreground console instead of providing static udev rules and using group membership based access control."
[15:54] <james_w> which I think should be happening here.
[15:55] <_MMA_> james_w: OK. Best I can do is help troubleshoot. You have more knowledge here than I. Hopefully it can be fixed. Its like printing being broken.
[15:58] <james_w> _MMA_: hal seems to have consolekit support enabled, which it appears is intended to allow you to access the scanner. I don't know how to debug consolekit to find out why it isn't setting the device to be owned by you though.
[16:00] <_MMA_> james_w: I see.
[16:39] <TomaszD> hello, I'd be glad if someone could point me to the package responsible for the ubuntu-modified logout/shutdown screen. I need to make some fixes in the translation.
[16:41] <_MMA_> TomaszD: The GDM theme?
[16:42] <TomaszD> _MMA_, well I mean the logout screen, where I can shut the computer down, suspend, hibernate, switch user or restart
[16:42] <TomaszD> the big screen with buttons that don't look like buttons at all
[16:43] <_MMA_> Ahh... Sorry. Im unsure if that.
[16:43] <james_w> it might be gnome-panel
[16:45] <TomaszD> might be, looking at it right now
[16:45] <james_w> or gnome-session perhaps
[16:46] <TomaszD> I'd place a bigger bet on.. yes
[16:50] <TomaszD> found it
[16:50] <TomaszD> it's indeed gnome-session
[17:27] <emgent> hello
[17:28]  * _MMA_ waves.
[17:32] <sistpoty> doko: please give back haskell-http on sparc, thanks!
[17:37] <mario_limonciell> keescook, ping
[17:45] <keescook> mario_limonciell: hola
[17:45] <emgent> hi keescook :)
[17:45] <mario_limonciell> hi keescook.  I went through and triaged a majority of the bugs on lirc last night
[17:45] <keescook> heya emgent
[17:46] <mario_limonciell> i rolled up all the fixes into a bzr branch
[17:46] <keescook> mario_limonciell: i saw all the bug mail come through.  nice :)
[17:46] <emgent> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', che si trova anche nel pacchetto language-pack-gnome-en
[17:46] <emgent> argh
[17:46] <keescook> mario_limonciell: cool, you need me to sponsor it in?
[17:47] <mario_limonciell> keescook, there will probably be one or two more bugs that are going to be needing fixes, but I'm not confident that they will get done in time for hardy, so yeah could you sponsor the branch in its current state and if they get done, i'll let you know
[17:47] <keescook> mario_limonciell: bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/lirc/ubuntu/ ?
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> keescook, er no.  looks like i pushed it somewhere new
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> let me get you a url
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> i'll have to get it into a "standard" location sometime soon :)
[17:48] <mario_limonciell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/lirc/hardy
[17:49] <keescook> mario_limonciell: all the other updates appear to be in the other URL, maybe it should be the standard location?  I'll pull yours in...
[17:50] <mario_limonciell> keescook, i lost the info for the old bzr branch so i re-inited this one
[17:50] <keescook> oh, heh
[17:58] <keescook> mario_limonciell: I've pushed to bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu/lirc/ubuntu/ now, uploading in a moment...
[18:03] <mario_limonciell> keescook, okay thanks
[18:04] <keescook> mario_limonciell: np, thanks for all the fixing :)
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> well i'm personally hoping that people start submitting the fixes upstream.  I've put notes in bugs for folks to do it, but we'll see if it really happens.  that number of patches is really starting to grow :)
[18:07] <j^> loading http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown i get a username / password popup for www-admin.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <davmor2> when is release candidate out please.  I got it down as the 17th is that still the case?
[19:00] <lool> soren: I'm pushing misc fixes/features to ~lool/ubuntu-jeos/trunk; could you have a look and perhaps merge them?
[19:01] <lool> soren: I wanted to ask whether you would be interested in adding support for personality setting (linux32 chroot ...) when creating 32-bits chroots from 64-bits hosts
[19:02] <soren> lool: Could you be pursuaded to rebase your patch against the "refactor" branch?
[19:03] <soren> lool: I'll be sending an FFe tomorrow to upload that, so that should really be the focus of development from now on.
[19:03] <soren> lool: About linux32: We should certainly do that.
[19:03] <lool> soren: Ah
[19:05] <soren> lool: The code hasn't changed a whole lot, but it's been restructured quite a bit and a stack of bugs have been fixed.
[19:10] <lool> soren: I never "rebased" with bzr; I only did it with git; do you have any pointer on how this is done in bzr?
[19:10] <lool> "bzr help commands" and "bzr help rebase" didn't help
[19:11] <lool> Hmm google lets me think I need an additional plugin
[19:11] <lool> How a "I'll fix this in 10 minutes" session ends up eating 2 hours
[19:13] <soren> lool: Oh, I was thinking about doing it manually.
[19:14] <soren> lool: automatic rebasing won't do much good when the code has been refactored like that anyway.
[22:16] <hron84> hi! i using reprepro / repository, and i have a problem. I tried to make an own mirror from official mirror, and i started import packages to my repo, but all universe/multiverse package landed in main category. Why? Reprepro cannot handle universe/multiverse categories? In conf/distribution I filled correctly the Components and UDebComponents lines.
[22:21] <LaserJock> hron84: I think it must be a configuration problem
[22:21] <hron84> LaserJock: pls wait, i pastebin my config
[22:23] <hron84> LaserJock: http://pastebin.ca/955911
[22:25] <LaserJock> hron84: did you set up the updates file?
[22:25] <hron84> No, how can i do it? It can be a problem?
[22:26] <hron84> My system isn't an ubuntu
[22:27] <_MMA_> ?
[22:27] <ScottK> hron84: Then you're almost certainly in the wrong place to get help.
[22:28] <hron84> ScottK: and can you recommend me a good channel?
[22:28] <ScottK> hron84: What kind of system are you using?
[22:28] <LaserJock> hron84: I'd suggest reading  the man page or googling. I don't have a current reprepro setup, but when I did it certainly worked right, mirroring main and universe
[22:29] <hron84> ScottK: I using a Gentoo Linux. I installed reprepro with no problem (compiled it from source). I want create a custom ubuntu mirror, because i have a machine somewhere without net
[22:30] <ScottK> Then I'd suggest checking on the web site where you got the source for support information.
[22:32] <hron84> I downloaded it from archives.ubuntu.com... it doesn't contains package-specific support infos. I known and using linux, but I don't have experience with ubuntu distro-specific things
[22:35] <slangasek> but if you built it on gentoo, you didn't use the existing build-dependency support in Debian/Ubuntu to build it, you had to translate that somehow to Gentoo; that's not something that the Ubuntu community is going to provide you with support for, you're going to need to contact the upstream author
[22:39] <hron84> slangasek: I have an enough knowledge to understand the dependencies an one program. I think, if i miss any dependency, it can't work as well. And, it doesn't seems as dependency problem, it seems configuration problem. But, i will find upstream author too, but i hoped, i can give some info about this problem.
[22:40] <LaserJock> hron84: just google around for reprepro configurations and/or look at the man page
[23:27] <jdong> WTF
[23:27] <jdong> "There was an error copying the file into smb://foo/bar"
[23:27] <jdong> Show more details:
[23:27] <jdong> Success.
[23:33] <soren> jdong: heh. I've something like that in evolution before, too.
[23:34] <jdong> soren: Hardy, gvfs copying a file onto smb://
[23:34] <soren> jdong: "Failure while connecting to mail.linux2go.dk: Success." I never knew quite what to make of that.
[23:34]  * jdong grumbles and uses good old scp :)
[23:35] <_MMA_> jdong: I get errors when coping multiple files. It will copy 7 out of 10 files then tell me I dont have permission to the folder. But after I can copy the remaining files fine. Its totally random.
[23:36] <_MMA_> Using samba that is.