/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/24/#ubuntu-ops.txt

* PriceChild is probably back tomorrow00:07
nikrudeveryone have your fun while you can00:11
ubotuIn ubotu, kgoetz said: ubotu thx is reasons to use words when thanking people: http://lumpio.no-ip.com/dont-use-thx-sry-plz.txt01:54
Picieh.. no.02:07
nikrudPici you are overly discriminating I think ;)02:31
Picinikrud: thx02:32
nikrudheh02:32
nikrudyw02:32
ubotuIn #kubuntu, re-align said: ubotu, why is there no Kubuntu version of you?04:49
ubotuRioMerc called the ops in #ubuntu ()05:54
naliothwhat the heck was that?05:58
elkbuntuyou havent put ubotu in #linux have you?05:58
tritiumkindofabuzz was asking how to find out who the ops of a channel are, and RioMerc used the ops trigger05:58
naliothzcat issued a weird weird phrasing05:59
tritiumOh, you mean zcat[1]'s bit.  That was strange05:59
naliothi know about riomerc and kindofabuzz05:59
elkbuntuthen zcat decided to repaste the list list with the channel changed05:59
naliothsays he joined ##linux and /msg'd the bot 'ops'06:01
nalioth?!?!?!?!?06:01
naliothalrighty then06:01
tritiumGood night.06:08
Myrttimorning06:26
tritiumWhat the heck...06:43
DBOping Amaranth 07:23
tonyyarussowhoa, it's a DBO 09:45
DBOit sure is09:46
* Hobbsee has had enough of irc ops crap.12:14
Hobbseemore than enough12:14
MyrttiI'm quite certain Lyn wasn't trolling12:28
Seveasthen what the hell would you call that behaviour?12:29
Myrttispam isn't exactly a clear term since it's closely associated with email spam12:29
MyrttiI know what it means in that factoid only because I've been ... what's the word...12:30
Myrtti/me is shooting blanks12:31
elkbuntubring orvokki in here please12:31
elkbuntuMyrtti, you mean, you're in the know?12:31
ompaulelkbuntu, na lets leave it12:31
Myrttibecause I've been watching and participating in the process12:31
MyrttiI can discuss the matter with him if you want12:32
ompaulif we have to address every person for a lack of common sense then -ot should be shut down12:32
elkbuntuMyrtti, please12:32
ompauland #u kept on topic the whole time12:32
ompaul_no_ social activity on irc12:33
Myrtticould you please unban Lynoure?12:33
MyrttiI don't think the ban is just12:33
Myrttia simple kick would've sufficed12:33
Myrttiand asking her to come here and explain the matter, if necessary12:33
Myrtti*sigh*12:36
Hobbseehm?12:37
MyrttiI'm disagreeing with the banning of Lynoure being necessary and just12:37
HobbseeSeveas: did you speak to her?12:38
elkbuntuMyrtti, have her come explain why she insists on providing an obstacle. it's hard enough to catch emma since she's so sneaky, let alone having to put out lynoure's fires whilst trying to do so.12:38
SeveasHobbsee, haven't had time yet with all the side discussions going on12:38
Hobbseek12:38
Myrttielkbuntu: honestly I don't want to get more mixed up in this since I didn't do the ban and haven't been dealing with the issue of emma and her channel12:40
Myrttiand I'm naturally biased towards Lyn12:40
Myrttias anyone can see.12:40
Myrttioh, never mind. I'll do vacuuming before I do anything irate12:46
elkbuntushe gave seveas some bad attitude, but hobbsee's managed to talk to her. she's unbanned.12:46
ompaulballard is not our friend 12:47
ompaulruining our ban lists like that12:48
ikoniaLjL: are you there at all ?12:58
ikoniamorning ompaul 12:58
ompaulikonia, I am 12:58
LimCorehello12:58
elkbuntuLimCore, can we help?12:59
Piciompaul is not LjL last time I checked.12:59
* Pici checks again12:59
elkbuntuPici, hopefully a satisfactory replacement though12:59
LimCoreyes, it would be so nice if some operators will not place longer bans basing on personall feelings12:59
ompaulPici, morning ompaul was said -0- I did not hit him with a it is afternoon12:59
elkbuntuLimCore, you'll need to be more specific12:59
LimCoredefault ban length is 24 hours isnt it?13:00
ompaulno13:00
PiciThere is no 'default ban length'13:00
LimCorethey dont auto expire?13:00
Hobbseethere is...bah.13:00
ompaulno13:00
* Hobbsee types too slowly.13:01
elkbuntuLimCore, please state your issue fully.13:01
Hobbseei thought there were plans to make an autoexpirer for banning with ubotu, though13:01
Hobbseesometime.13:01
SeveasLimCore, one tip, if you want to get someone to do something for you (in this case the removal of a ban), it's better not to start with verbal abuse...13:01
elkbuntuHobbsee, yeah they um... are still in progress13:01
ompaulHobbsee, feel free to write the code ;-)13:02
* ompaul runs13:02
LimCorewell, mneptok interrupted intereesting conversation with a ban, and keeps it while it is no longer needed13:02
SeveasHobbsee, need to replace ubotu first, need to upgrade my colobox to hardy for that13:02
LimCorewhere I pointed out social related security issue in scponly program in #ubuntu+113:02
Seveasmrt 22 07:13:43 <LimCore>       boy, is ubuntu+1 full of close minded people like mneptok13:03
LimCoreSeveas: that was my reaction to the oryginal ban13:03
SeveasLimCore, it doesn't help your case13:03
elkbuntuLimCore, that line is considered a personal attack.13:03
LimCoreI thought on FREEnode people should be free to say what they trully think. it works usually on other channels13:03
elkbuntu!codeofconduct13:04
ubotuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/13:04
LimCoreelkbuntu: I didnt said "idiot" or something. it was ment like "conservative"13:04
SeveasLimCore, your behaviour in #ubuntu+1 warranted a ban, if you don't know why, read that link ubotu gave13:04
elkbuntuLimCore, that code is linked to from channel topics. it is the Terms of Service for the ubuntu channels.13:04
LimCoreSeveas: ok13:05
Seveasmrt 22 06:30:29 <LimCore>       ubuntu sucks about security, can this be changed?13:05
LimCoreSeveas: and now keeping such ban makes no sense, other then distrupting me for fixing a bug in ubuntu13:05
Seveassure, that's the way to get help13:05
Seveasthe ban stays, trolls are not welcome13:05
HobbseeLimCore: afaik, bugs don't get fixed on irc anyway.  that's why there's a bugtracker.13:05
LimCoreSeveas: it works fully on other top10 channels, some apparently vary in accepted style 13:05
LimCoreHobbsee: I wonder how to make a proper .patch to send to bugtracker13:06
elkbuntuLimCore, read the code of conduct and come back another time13:06
SeveasLimCore, you're lucky I wasn't there when you were trolling. I'd have banned you for that line alone13:06
LimCoreHobbsee: and, who to ask to have it polled in into new version asap13:06
HobbseeLimCore: suggest you ask in #ubuntu-motu, where developers are.13:06
SeveasLimCore, anything else?13:06
HobbseeLimCore: we're in feature freeze.  they'll tell you ther.e13:06
LimCoreSeveas: yes, "trolling" is defined by lack of constructive point, and this is why it's not wellcomed, right?13:07
Seveasmrt 22 06:30:29 <LimCore>       ubuntu sucks about security, can this be changed?13:07
Seveasthat's not constructive13:07
LimCoreSeveas: and I didn't said anything more on this topic, or did I proceed to explain my point13:08
elkbuntuSeveas, agreed. thats an insult with a few words tacked on the end13:08
LimCoreSeveas: it was a bad start yes, sorry13:08
SeveasLimCore, only nonsense came after that13:08
Seveasso bye bye13:08
Hobbsee...13:08
Picisigh13:10
HobbseeSeveas: finger.  trigger.  bad.13:10
SeveasHobbsee, troll. not stopping. worse :)13:11
Seveaslogs from +1 and his 'retaliation' in #ubuntu say enough13:11
HobbseeSeveas: catalysing.13:11
Seveasas does his entrance here13:11
Hobbseeyeah well13:11
elkbuntuit could be worse, he could have been the 'hi can we help you' 'yes i want my ban lifted' 'ban from where' 'i want my ban lifted' guy13:12
ubotuIn ubotu, evand said: wubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.14:27
Pici!wubi14:28
ubotuwubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://wubi-installer.org/14:28
Picihmm14:28
* Pici wonders what other factoids will have to be updated for Hardy's release14:28
ompaul!search gutsy14:28
ubotuFound: studiorepo, links, kde, dolphin, torrents, download, 7.10, virtualbox, rt, gibbon14:28
Hobbsee!no wubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.14:29
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee14:29
Jucatodolphin/d3lphin doesn't need to be changed :)14:29
Jack_SparrowI really hate wubi, have there been some imporvements I have not seen?14:29
Hobbsee!wubi > evand14:29
PiciI meant because of changes to audio, video, etc.. not just name changes.14:29
evandJack_Sparrow: ok, lets continue this here then.14:39
ompaulScunizi, ?14:39
ompaulseamus_ie, ?14:39
ompaulhow can we help you?14:39
evandWubi *is* supported by Ubuntu and you should not turn users away from #ubuntu because they're asking for help using it or installs from it.14:40
ScuniziI'm listening.. debate on Wubi and it's merrits14:40
Jack_Sparrowwubi is unofficial until hardy.. unoffical ..14:41
evandUh, no.14:41
evandSure, you can direct them to #ubuntu+1 as it's only available on Hardy.14:41
evandBut that's not what you were doing at all.14:41
Jack_Sparrowevand, People are always having trouble with it and the simulated partitioning.14:41
evandIt is NOT simulated partitioning.14:41
evandI already explained this to you.14:41
Jack_SparrowIt does not work and can even pose a danger to your ntfs system per one of the last blogs I read and shared with the other ops14:42
evandJack_Sparrow: It does work, if there's a bug in it, it should be filed as such.14:42
* Hobbsee points out the fact that evand is one (or the only, now) guy who works on the ubuntu installer, including wubi, and probably has a clue.14:43
evandThe only changes it makes to the NTFS filesystem is A) creating a file B) adding an option to the Windows bootloader using the Microsoft tool to do it.14:43
evandone of three if you count cjwatson and Ago.14:43
seamus_ieJack_Sparrow: just because people are having trouble with it doesn't mean they should not be helped, quite the opposite. wubi is designed to allow windows users to try linux without partitioning their hard drive and by installing a program in the "normal" manner, I think this should be encouraged14:43
Hobbseeevand: ago?  don't know him.14:44
* ompaul wonders about this idea of running gnu in a file container on an ntfs partition14:44
evandHobbsee: Agostino Russo.  He's the lead Wubi developer, but not an Ubuntu developer yet.14:44
Hobbseeahhh14:44
Jack_SparrowI have not seen any of you in the channel helping with a fairly reoccuring issue with wubi14:45
ompaulevand, does it give a boot loader pointer to the file address?14:45
HobbseeJack_Sparrow: because developers often help out users with their issues all the time, instead of actually developing...14:45
Jack_SparrowHOw much of windowes is running in the background14:45
PiciJack_Sparrow: none. It doesnt run in Windows.14:46
evandJack_Sparrow: The best way for me to handle Wubi issues is via bug reports.  I have too many obligations to fixing bugs in and further developing the installer to sit in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 to handle every user issue.  I have wubi on hilight in both channels and do give what time I can to directing people to the right place.14:46
evandWhich is exactly how I came by your incorrect comments.14:46
jribevand: is there a wubi channel?14:46
evandjrib: No, I don't believe it's necessary.  Wubi is not different enough from a regular Ubuntu install to warrant it.14:47
Jack_SparrowWow...14:47
Picihm?14:48
Jack_SparrowDisbelief in that statement...14:48
jribevand: right, the only difference I can see would be with installation14:48
PiciOnce its up and running, I suppose we may see some differences in fstab, but everything else should be the same.14:48
evandjrib: Even that isn't very different.  It actually uses Ubiquity for about 95% of the install.  In fact, it's very, very similar to a preseeded install.14:49
ompaulhang on - support a filecontainer on ntfs and then MS comes along and nukes your container generation or boot loader creation method {don't think they won't, they don't know how to play fair}  -- and have #ubuntu screaming -- I think we live in interesting times14:50
* Hobbsee smiles. -offtopic has learned.14:50
ompaulthis could be intesting14:50
ompaulinteresting14:50
evandompaul: Yes.  See the Wubi bzr trunk and the lupin source package.14:50
jribwell, as wubi is on the cd, I don't see how we can claim wubi discussion is offtopic, at least once hardy is released.  Does anyone disagree with this?14:51
evandompaul: I think we're safe.  It's a regular file on Windows and the method we use to add it to the bootloader is standard in the Windows world.14:52
Jack_SparrowNope.. But I clearly wont be recommending it.. but I'll leave it for others to address the issues, make their own romm if needed etc14:52
jribevand: wubi project is only for installing ubuntu or does it do other distros as well?14:53
* Hobbsee blinks14:53
ompaulevand, well watch service packs like a hawk would be my advice ;-)  -- the concept that they would not play foul in some way scares me14:53
evandjrib: Ubuntu and Kubuntu currently.14:53
Jack_Sparrowevand, do you have an howto's for the people having installation issues so we can link them14:53
Hobbseeyou know, i *might* even beat Seveas in -offtopic.14:53
ompaulHobbsee, don't try he has a +1 script ;-) infinity is smaller than infinity +114:54
evandJack_Sparrow: for the time being I would point them at the Wubi forum until the wubi-installer.org site is switched to the 8.04 Beta: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=23414:54
Hobbseehehe14:54
evandompaul: :)14:54
jrib!wubi14:55
ubotuwubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.14:55
ompaul!no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta14:57
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul14:57
ompaulPici, ^^ now there is one for hardy upgrade :P14:57
ompaulhmm that does not read too good14:57
ompaul!no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)14:57
jribevand: that result seem reasonable?14:58
evandhttps://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug - anyone mind if that URL gets added to it?14:58
ompaulna14:58
Jack_SparrowNot at all14:58
evand"Please file bugs here" or whatever people think is appropriate14:58
ompaul!no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubu bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)14:59
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul14:59
evandthanks14:59
ompaulevand, please remember the shorter the factoid the more the impact ;-)14:59
jrib!wubi =~ s/wubu/wubi15:00
ubotuMissing end delimiter15:00
jrib!wubi =~ s/wubu/wubi/15:00
ubotuI'll remember that jrib15:00
jrib!wubi15:00
ubotuwubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)15:00
Jack_Sparrowevand, What ab out the file installation/system problems that seem to be popping up, are they covered in the forums15:00
evandJack_Sparrow: If they ask in the forums or file a bug about it, whatever problem they have with installation will get addressed.15:01
Hobbseeubotu: lies15:01
ubotuMostly just statistics, but yeah.15:01
Hobbseelies, damned lies, and propaganda.15:01
evandlol15:02
Jack_Sparrowevand, all sound, video and networking should not be any different as far as support?15:02
Hobbseeompaul: you want the honours?15:02
evandJack_Sparrow: correct, that should be exactly the same15:03
evandthe only thing that's *not* available to Wubi uses is hibernation.15:03
evandusers*15:03
Jack_Sparrowthey dont have that now :)15:03
ompaulHobbsee, ?15:03
Picievand: Is it somehow disabled in the install? or does it just fail?15:03
Hobbseeompaul: see -offtopic.15:04
evandPici: iirc, it's disabled.  But if it's available (which would be a bug), it should be avoided.15:04
* Pici makes a mental note15:05
Jack_Sparrowcome out of hibernation and write all over your ntfs.. ouch15:05
evandwell, it will just fail to hibernate/return.15:05
evandtrashing outside of the wubi file would be quite the feat.15:06
Jack_Sparrowevand, the last blog I read warned of the danger of it crashing out of the file structure and begining to write over windows15:06
ompaulHobbsee, ok humble pie had to be eaten 15:06
Hobbseeompaul: yeah, that's why she's not gone.15:07
evandJack_Sparrow: I'd love a link to that.  The worst you can do is hard reboot a Wubi install which could do damage to your NTFS parition, but it's the same risk posed when you do a hard reboot from Windows.15:07
Jack_Sparrowevand, but ntfs write has improved since then15:07
evandIndeed, ntfs-3g is quite stable.15:07
Jack_Sparrowevand, Is that statement anywhere in your docs about the hard boot.15:08
Jack_Sparrowevbanit may be common knowledge, but knowledge is not common15:09
evandhttp://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#requirements - under "Any Gotcha?"15:10
MrUnagiljl here15:22
PiciHe hasn't been around today yet.15:23
MrUnagiwhat time does he usually roll out of bed15:23
PiciHes usually here by now, so I don't know.15:23
MrUnagithanks15:23
ompaulanything else?15:24
AdysHey there, someone sent me here to ask for an update of the !dmix link to http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin16:10
Pici!dmix16:10
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP316:10
AdysLast one, sorry16:11
Pici!no sound is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP316:12
ubotuI'll remember that Pici16:12
Pici!no dmix is <alias> sound16:12
ubotuYou are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm16:12
Pici!no dmix is <alias> sound16:12
PiciAdys: all fixed16:12
Adyscheers :)16:12
ompauladys does not mince words16:14
MrUnagihas ljl arrived17:00
ompaulnot since you were last here17:02
MrUnagithanks17:02
PiciCan I get an good 'official sounding' repsonse to this: http://wiki.yak.net/89417:27
PiciOr rather, why posting it in #ubuntu+1 would be offtopic.  'because it is' isnt a good enough answer for me.17:28
ompaulbraschahr1a!17:28
ompaulbackports 17:29
ompaulPici, ^^17:29
PiciSo its still on-topic?17:31
ompaulno17:31
ompaulcomposing an answer in channel17:31
ompaulPici, hope that helps17:33
ompaulPici, when replies for something like that is asked for - you can always put a space in there17:34
Piciompaul: thanks, had a bit of writers block whilst composing a repsonse. 17:34
ompaultime heals - instant replies are not good 17:34
ompaulas we know :-/17:34
anthonyj #ubuntu-ops-pvt18:17
=== anthony___ is now known as anthony
livingdaylightis this the channel to speak about one's banned status?19:21
ompaullivingdaylight, ask 19:45
ompaulwhere are you banned from19:45
ompauland if we are slow to talk please allow a couple of minutes as we can be busy19:46
livingdaylightompaul, hi, from #ubuntu and #ubuntu#offtopic19:46
ompaulMark_G, how can we help you?19:46
Mark_GJust lerking.. thanks..19:46
ompaullivingdaylight, a moment please /me runs around 19:46
ompaulMark_G, please see the topic19:46
ompaulas in no lurking19:46
Mark_Gok.. see ya19:47
livingdaylightompaul, sure, thank you19:47
ompaullivingdaylight, are you sure you are banned from -offtopic?19:48
* livingdaylight checks19:48
ompaulin fact are you sure you are banned at all19:48
livingdaylightompaul, yes, on both... its what XChat tell me when i attempt to join19:49
ompaulohh19:49
* ompaul goes to check 19:49
ompaullivingdaylight, given the amount of times you were banned perhaps this may helpyou19:50
ompaul!guidelines19:50
ubotuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:50
ompaulI don't see you are being banned so let me check it out more19:50
livingdaylightompaul, its been months now, if it helps :s I don't know how many times i've been banned, but a permanent ban doesn't seem warranted given my wrangle in ubuntu-offtopic with Pici19:52
ompaulthe kirb step away from 19:53
ompaulthe amount of bans would indicate something19:53
ompaullivingdaylight, I am trying to balance about 5 things19:53
livingdaylightompaul, no worries19:54
ompaulgime a couple of mins19:54
ompaullivingdaylight, please try to join #ubuntu19:58
ompaulI can't see how you are banned19:58
ompaulas for -ot I can see that but give a min on that19:58
livingdaylightompaul, it still says: * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).19:59
* ompaul can't find the ban in question 19:59
ompauleither by IP or by nick19:59
livingdaylightompaul, maybe someone did some voodoo20:00
ompaul 77 101 20:00
ompaulI did and I found that20:00
ompaulbut I want other stuff20:00
ompaulI can't find any  for ubuntu20:00
ompaulthe voodoo was for -ot20:01
livingdaylight-ot?20:01
ompaulofftopic20:01
livingdaylightoh20:01
ompaulso that does not annoy me20:01
ompaulwhat annoys me is I can't find ya in -ot20:01
ompaulsorry20:01
ompaulin -ubuntu20:02
livingdaylightompaul, maybe you can ask Pici` sometime when he's around20:02
ompaulI should be able to find this20:02
ompaullivingdaylight, check your pm20:09
ompaulohh20:23
ompaullivingdaylight, you are sorted 20:31
ompaulcheers20:31
livingdaylightompaul, thank you 20:32
MrUnagiljl returned?20:46
ompaulI think he is gone for today - he ain't shown up at all20:48
ompaulit would be a bit late for him at this stage20:48
MrUnagisigh20:49
MrUnagican someone else review my case and decide whether to remove or when my ban might be removed?20:50
ompaulhe was here most of the rest of the weekend20:50
ompaulhe owns it you need to talk with him 20:50
MrUnagi=/20:56
MrUnagithanks for your help20:56
ubotuerUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (bmw528i)21:42
Garyawww, I was about to test my cmute script21:43
ompaulGary, you need to be faster :)21:57
Garyompaul: well, I always hestitate a bit, due to not like being named on the access list21:58
Garyomg, I am typing essex stylee21:58
ompaulGary, so, like, you like, if you are not named like, not to be too fast, like?21:59
Garyummm22:00
Garywoteva22:00
SeveasGary chav...22:01
Garyhehe22:02
ompaulSeveas, did you get the scroll back in -pvt?22:03
mneptok"essex style"22:35
mneptokoooo! far-off and exotic ESSEX!22:35
mneptokthat's like ... FIVE TOWNS AWAY! it's like another planet!22:36
ompaulmneptok, and don't you forget it, ohh wait you didn't22:48
ompaulyou knew it22:48
Amaranthhttp://www.getautomatix.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=242423:19
Amaranthi'm tempted to call !ops so everyone sees that :)23:20
tomawyou kinda just did23:20
* Gary hurts Amaranth :p23:20
Amaranthhey if everyone highlights on the word itself that's their fault :P23:20
* Pici parties23:21
Garywoo hooo23:21
Amaranth!automatix23:21
ubotuautomatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »23:21
Amaranthhmm, should change that23:22
Amaranth!automatix is <reply>Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »23:22
ubotuBut automatix already means something else!23:22
Amaranth!no automatix is <reply>Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »23:23
ubotuI'll remember that Amaranth23:23
mneptoki *thought* i felt a disturbance in the Force.23:25
* nalioth feels very bad for Pioneer Warrior23:30
naliothArnie, <snip>, currently are too involved in their personal lives  <<< and this is new?23:30
mneptokwho TF steals the name for their new distro from the 1936 edition of "inspiring names for the people that are not insulting to Comrade Stalin?"23:32

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