[01:45] <McEnroe> Oversimplyfied, is edubuntu = ubuntu + ltsp?
[03:06] <kgoetz> yes
[03:06] <kgoetz> ubuntu+ ltsp+ educational apps
[09:30] <manu_ubu> hi
[09:32] <kgoetz> hi
[09:34] <manu_ubu> for testing the beta edubuntu can I do choose the alternat Ubuntu and use option on boot LTSP ?
[09:35] <kgoetz> not sure.
[09:35] <kgoetz> ogra_cmpc: was working on new installing doco
[09:35] <manu_ubu> the beta edubuntu is out or no ?
[09:37] <kgoetz> yeah
[09:38] <manu_ubu> thank I go download and testing Edubuntu 8.04
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> manu_ubu, its not finished yet but should list all steps
[09:45] <manu_ubu> ok thank
[10:23] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: Did you have a look at italc_1.0.7-0ubuntu2 ?
[10:25] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, preparing an upload now, i was afk for the last four days
[10:26] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I'm also working on rewritting the ica-launcher and italc-launcher to use avahi for computers detection
[10:26] <ulysee798> Newbie question, I have Edubuntu 7.10 and Capio 5 thin client. I am booting with PXE and I see the boot screen with Edubuntu loading on the Capio but then just get a command prompt not a login page. Anyone help?
[10:26] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: that way we'll have automatically generated classroom for both LTSP and standard workstation environement
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[10:31] <ogra_cmpc> ulysee798, do you know what kind of graphics card these devices have ?
[10:34] <ulysee798> ogra_cmpc, graphics is onboard. I have opened one up but can't see any identifying chips other that the realtek Lan and a Winbond chip
[10:56] <ogra_cmpc> ulysee798, create an /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file
[10:57] <ogra_cmpc> put in the following lines:
[10:57] <ogra_cmpc> [default]
[10:57] <ogra_cmpc> SCREEN_02=shell
[10:57] <ogra_cmpc> SCREEN_07=ldm
[10:57] <ogra_cmpc> if you then boot a client you have a shell on console 2
[10:58] <ogra_cmpc> that gives you access to tools like lspci to find out about the VGA controller etc
[11:00] <ulysee798> ogra_cmpc, OK will do. Do I have to log in to chroot and do it from a terminal or can I use gedit from the desktop?
[11:01] <ogra_cmpc> you have to boot a terminal after adding that file and hit alt-f2 at the running client
[11:03] <ulysee798> ogra_cmpc, Ok will try that and see what info I can glean from it. thnx
[11:27] <ulysee798> ogra_cmpc, after reboot at the root@ltsp:/# prompt lspci returns a SiS 550 graphics chipset - during the boot there were lots of messages of failed module etc.
[11:55] <ulysee798> ogra_cmpc, many thanks for your help - I deleted SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm and replaced with XSERVER="vesa" and now the boot splash appears and I can login. Is there anything else the lst.conf needs for sound etc on a sis chipset?
[11:56] <ogra_cmpc> if you have a sis 7019 there is no way to make it work with modern kernels yet ... sis didnt release any specs and the old oss driver doesnt really work (choppy sound if you move the mouse etc)
[11:57] <ogra_cmpc> oh, and that oss driver isnt licensed anyhow so it might not even be legal to make it work even if you manage to patch it to compile with newer kernels
[17:03] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I'm getting set to do all my edubuntu stuff this morning
[17:03] <LaserJock> I grabbed the edubuntu-docs translations and will get that uploaded
[17:03] <LaserJock> the squeak stuff is just messy. I've gotten 0 response from the main maintainer
[17:03] <LaserJock> but I think I got a decent solution for Hardy
[17:04] <ogra_cmpc> as long as you get it past pitti :)
[17:05] <LaserJock> well
[17:05] <LaserJock> since Debian is using squeak-vm as the source package name I don't need to go through source NEW ;-)
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> right *g*
[17:06] <LaserJock> I used the debian/copyright from our old package
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> evil guy you :)
[17:06] <LaserJock> since it's the exact same licensing files, etc. in the newer package
[17:06] <LaserJock> so we can't be any worse than our current package
[17:06] <LaserJock> and I think it's better really
[17:06] <LaserJock> there's no way that thing is GPL
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> i dont actually think anyone ever cared about squeak licensing ever ... apart from distributorsx
[17:07] <LaserJock> as Matej and Lex were claiming
[17:07] <LaserJock> the new one is very nice though, MIT and fairly well documented
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> neither apple (who own parts) nor upstream ...
[17:07] <LaserJock> but it just doesn't seem to work very well
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> well, SVN you said
[17:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:08] <LaserJock> it's not released
[17:08] <LaserJock> but when I asked the author he seemed to not remember the GPL/Squeak-L thing
[17:08] <LaserJock> so whatever
[17:09] <LaserJock> but I did the work to register the squeak Firefox plugin with the Ubuntuized browsers
[17:10] <LaserJock> so that it'll hopefully show up in the automatic plugin installer
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> woah
[17:10]  * ogra_cmpc is impressed
[17:10] <LaserJock> asac helped me out
[17:10] <LaserJock> I did quite a bit of work on these packages
[17:10] <LaserJock> I'd rather not throw them away
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:12] <LaserJock> they also added a binfmt thingy
[17:12] <LaserJock> so that supposedly a person can click on a squeak image and it'll open up in the VM
[17:12] <ogra_cmpc> nice
[17:12] <LaserJock> the Debian package just dies if you try to run it with some bash error
[17:12] <ogra_cmpc> OLPC is doing good for squeak users it seems
[17:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:13] <LaserJock> I think that was probably a big push for the licensing
[17:53] <gvy> halo
[17:53] <gvy> ogra_cmpc, ayt?
[17:56] <ogra_cmpc> gvy, i am, but extremely busy, i was planning to come to #ltsp later tonight and write a mail as well if i have time ... sorry for that harsh reaction, it was a bit over the top
[17:56] <gvy> ogra_cmpc, please forgive me
[17:56] <ogra_cmpc> submit your code :)
[17:56] <gvy> ~50% done :)
[17:56] <ogra_cmpc> yay :)
[17:56] <gvy> now reworking the patch part
[17:57] <gvy> ogra_cmpc, vagrantc and warren decided to help merging it, vagrantc has a hard time talking to me w/o you
[17:57] <ogra_cmpc> seriously, i had a bad day and you just were the person to mention it once to much the apology has to come from my side ...
[17:58] <ogra_cmpc> i'll be back, i just need to sort out a lot work stuff that stacked up over easter
[17:58] <gvy> ogra_cmpc, i knew it upon reading the replies -- been in your shoes :(
[17:58] <gvy> yup, thanks!
[17:58] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[17:59] <ogra_cmpc> even scottie called me last night ... i didnt want to cause so much fuss
[18:00] <ogra_cmpc> gvy, thanks for the #, noted down (unregistered user here, cant reply to PM)
[18:07]  * juliux sends ogra_cmpc a glass of wishky
[18:08] <ogra_cmpc> i still have the johnny walker here (didnt drink it last time) :)
[18:18] <cliebow_> ogra:We Love You
[18:21]  * LaserJock gives ogra_cmpc a hug
[18:22] <cliebow_> cliebow does likewise!
[18:23]  * ogra_cmpc hugs everyone back :)
[18:23] <ogra_cmpc> thanks guys :)
[18:26] <cliebow_> 8~)
[19:04] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: \o/ !! I got squeak working on amd64
[19:05] <ogra_cmpc> yay
[19:08] <LaserJock> the plugin seems to crash firefox on amd64 though
[19:08] <LaserJock> but I think it works on i386
[19:08] <LaserJock> the plugin stuff is a bit sketchy
[19:09] <LaserJock> built for old netscape browsers
[19:10] <ogra_cmpc> tried it in a 32bit env for firefox on the amd64 machine ?
[19:11] <ogra_cmpc> i.e. lib32 and nspluginwrapper
[19:12] <LaserJock> I'll try it real quick
[19:12] <LaserJock> I do happen to have a 32bit firefox
[19:15] <calimer> heya LaserJock
[19:16] <LaserJock> hi
[19:16] <calimer> remember how we talked about platinum arts sandbox a while ago?
[19:16] <calimer> well I'm working on a version where all the content is "debian free"
[19:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:17] <calimer> and it is called Lite I have a person who is interested in maintaining the deb package (she asked actually if you'd be interested in being a comaintainer)
[19:17] <calimer> and well it should be all set soon, I actually am sending her a test package for it
[19:18] <calimer> I just wanted to communicate to you about the Lite version since we haven't talked in a bit, and its status
[19:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:20] <LaserJock> well, unfortunately I'm really busy with my dissertation
[19:20] <LaserJock> I don't think I could comaintain it
[19:20] <calimer> wow congrats on being at that level
[19:21] <calimer> and no worries she just wanted me to ask
[19:21] <LaserJock> but I could give advice and help were I could
[19:21] <calimer> awesome, yeah every bit helps
[19:21] <calimer> that's how things get improved
[19:21] <LaserJock> bbiab
[20:10] <LaserJock> bdoin: what's the current gcompris version?
[20:18] <bdoin> Latest stable is 8.4.4
[20:18] <bdoin> why ?
[20:20] <LaserJock> we have 8.4.2 in Hardy
[20:22] <bdoin> LaserJock: not too bad probably but for sure 8.4.4 is better.
[20:23] <LaserJock> are there any specific bug fixes we could backport to 8.4.2?
[20:23] <bdoin> why backport ?
[20:23] <LaserJock> right now we are pretty far along to request a whole new upstream version
[20:24] <bdoin> you can read the ChangeLog in trunk, it's well maintained and accurate
[20:26] <bdoin> the most important is that there is 2 crash cases that where identified and fixed
[20:26] <bdoin> This one is a must : "Fixed many potential crash of GCompris in the key_press activity callback. A crash has be verified in gletters (falling letters) if you enter a key while the bonus is displayed. (commit 3138)"
[20:29] <LaserJock> ok, let me try to get  8.4.4 in
[20:30] <LaserJock> I don't know if it'll be accepted but I'll give it a shot
[20:31] <bdoin> there is also a new voice set (urdu)
[21:03] <lns> Does anyone know how to globally set the firefox homepage for all users?
[21:09] <blue-frog__> lns: the page is in .mozilla/firefox/profile/pref.js
[21:13] <lns> blue-frog__, that doesn't help me for all users...
[21:13] <lns> thanks though
[21:14] <blue-frog__> lns: you change this file and you put what you want for start up page
[21:15] <blue-frog__> as for new user, you put this file in /etc/skel so that new user will have it directly
[21:15] <lns> blue-frog__, let me reform my question
[21:15] <lns> i want to be able to have a mandatory default homepage of google.com for all of my existing users
[21:16] <lns> i have ~200 existing users on my server
[21:19] <blue-frog__> lns a script with find , for loop and sed would change this file for your user quite quickly
[21:20] <lns> I guess that might be the only way
[21:20] <lns> i saw this bug, looks like the 'real' way is broken in gutsy
[21:20] <lns> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/19033
[21:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 19033 in firefox "systemwide default startup homepage ignored" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:20] <blue-frog__> dunno if it's the only way but it won't take long to do
[21:22] <lns> ty blue-frog__
[21:22] <blue-frog__> but then the problem with that is they can change it to what they want
[21:23] <blue-frog__> did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxMandatoryPreferences
[21:24] <lns> blue-frog__, yes
[21:25] <lns> that didn't work for me at all
[21:25] <lns> oh i didn't install obscure-tool or whatever that is
[21:25] <blue-frog__> having a look at it now...
[21:26] <lns> eww..firefox-dev
[21:26] <lns> don't really want to install that on production server
[21:28] <lns> in addition to that, prefs in /usr/lib/firefox will be overwritten upon upgrades
[21:28] <lns> it's supposed to look in /etc/firefox/* but the above mentioned bug causes it not to
[21:29] <lns> :( i find there are many global-configuration tools missing from *buntu..i wish i had the resources to hire a programmer to fill in the gaps
[21:47] <blue-frog__> lns the firefox.cfg lockdown works perfectly...
[21:53] <lns> blue-frog__, i'm sure it does, but i don't feel comfortable installing firefox-dev for production use
[21:53] <laga> lns: why?
[21:53] <lns> unless i'm misunderstanding the concept of -dev packages
[21:53] <laga>  This package contains the development headers, idl files and static libraries
[21:53] <laga>  needed to develop applications using Mozilla Firefox.
[21:54] <lns> laga, oooh wait those are just EXTRAS, it doesn't replace the firefox package installed right?
[21:54] <laga> yeah, basically
[21:54] <lns> gotcah
[21:54] <lns> damn, and i just got done writing my script =p
[21:54] <lns> cool, thanks
[21:55] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: squeak uploaded
[21:56] <lns> laga, blue-frog__, now we still have the issue of firefox.cfg being overwritten when upgrading FF
[21:56] <lns> but i guess it's not that big of a deal
[21:56] <lns> considering it's nice that the user can't change their home dir (even though i could just chmod their user.js)
[21:56] <blue-frog__> lns don't think it will be without asking you
[21:57] <lns> blue-frog__, i remember debian always asked about config files, ubuntu seems to just replace (and possibly back up originals)
[21:57] <lns> when upgrading
[22:03] <lns> cool, the mandatoryprefs work nice
[22:03] <lns> ty laga and blue-frog__
[22:03] <blue-frog__> lns: they can bypass it if they edit their launcher and add a page at the end of the command though...
[22:04] <lns> blue-frog__, well i already have the panels locked down
[22:04] <blue-frog__> :)
[22:04] <lns> ;)
[22:04] <lns> i did find a way to "bypass" the mandatory homepage by setting preferences to start with a blank page instead
[22:04] <blue-frog__> lns: how do you do that by the way, pls?
[22:05] <lns> locking down panels?
[22:05] <blue-frog__> i mean panels lock
[22:05] <lns> here
[22:05] <lns> http://lns.wikidot.com/gconf
[22:06] <lns> i haven't finished all of the content but this should get you started
[22:06] <blue-frog__> ty
[22:07] <lns> yw!
[22:19] <lns> k - if anyone read this conversation and wants a simple method for setting mandatory homepage for all users on a system, look here: http://lns.wikidot.com/firefoxmandatoryhomepage
[23:27] <crazy_bus> I just got given a computer that has 140mb's of ram.  So it probably won't run the regular install.  Is there an install cd that can install on low memory systems?
[23:29] <LaserJock> you might try xubuntu or fluxbuntu
[23:30] <crazy_bus> ok.  I'll try that and install educational packages on top of that
[23:33] <LaserJock> probably the way to go