[00:02] <awen_> nixternal: fixed :) ... what is the best thing to do with the debdiff?
[00:06] <awen_> I've subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors ... but if anyone has the time and sponsoring powers > bug 178356
[00:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178356 in kipi-plugins "[hardy] batch resize generates "error"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178356
[00:15] <awen_> g'night (if anyone is still awake)
[00:18] <CheGuevara> night
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> lol.... http://jaysonrowe.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/still-pleased-with-kde-4/
[01:37] <CheGuevara> At times it seems Ubuntu doesn’t have a KDE Team - just Jonathan Riddell (does that dude ever get to sleep?)
[01:37] <CheGuevara> :P
[01:38] <yuriy> oh, you're quoting
[01:39] <CheGuevara> yeah
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> read Riddell'scomment :)
[01:41] <CheGuevara> yeah i was just laughing at that
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> ah.. :)
[01:43] <yuriy> hmm scim seems to be making my kde4 apps take a long time to start
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> I think we should give nixternal, Hobbsee et. al some more publicity :)
[01:45] <yuriy> wow removing all scim* packages fixed that quite nicely
[01:47] <yuriy> shouldn't kde4 appear on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs ?
[02:04] <ryanakca> lol :)
[02:09] <jjesse> what are we lol about?
[02:14] <jjesse> i love how in 5-a-day stats "ubuntu-chicago" is listed as a team but nixternal is the only one on the team that has delt with 5-a-day bugs
[02:14] <jjesse> it still is the 2nd team in stats
[02:15] <yuriy> i just sent an email to my loco to start participating, but i'm not too confident anything will come of it. chances are you'll see the same thing there
[02:16]  * yuriy nudges n8k99 
[02:16] <CheGuevara> yuriy, am working on your bug about removing the zoom buttons
[02:16] <CheGuevara> do you agree that might as well remove the whole toolbox
[02:17] <CheGuevara> since it doesn't really do anything without the zoom buttons
[02:17] <yuriy> CheGuevara: i do, aseigo wouldn't be too happy
[02:17] <CheGuevara> meh
[02:17]  * n8k99 pops head ot of shell
[02:17] <yuriy> would be neat if we could get the lock widgets button on there
[02:17] <CheGuevara> he said its ok to do it downstream
[02:17] <CheGuevara> :P
[02:17] <yuriy> i think it's there in trunk
[02:19] <nixternal> mmm, pizza and beer
[02:19] <CheGuevara> hmm
[02:19] <jjesse> i need to come to chicago again to get more pizza and beer with you
[02:20] <nixternal> you didn't even have a beer last time
[02:20] <nixternal> either did I though
[02:20] <nixternal> but man, beer is wonderful with pizza
[02:20] <jjesse> i know cause work was paying for it :)
[02:20] <nixternal> bah, time to take the dog for a walk...bbiaf
[02:21]  * n8k99 pokes yuriy with, with, with something cleaver and witty
[02:22]  * yuriy hopes something cleaver and witty == `add-5-a-day`
[02:23] <jjesse> ok 5-a-day is done, time for bed :)
[02:24] <CheGuevara> nn
[02:51] <nixternal> hrmm, how do you get the 'e' key working again in KDE 4?
[03:00] <nixternal> Riddell: for printer-applet, you need to add the includes for KDE4/MacroLibrary in the CMakeLists.txt
[03:47] <nixternal> 22:10:34 [ DrCh4r135] kubuntu has pretty much replaced windows for me, save for the odd game craving.
[03:47] <nixternal> w00t, I finally got the Dr. to get off of Windows!
[10:39] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE4/MacroLibrary ?
[10:50] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I almost managed to create a System Settings module counterpart for KGRUBEditor
[10:50] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: with minor alterations to the initial code
[10:51] <Riddell> oh, nice
[11:31] <rbrunhuber-au> hobbsee: are you here?
[11:38] <Riddell> awen-: why use python-gobject?
[11:40] <awen-> Riddell: receiving dbus signals only work with DBusGMainLoop eg. gobject... the DBusQtMainLoop is broken in some mysterious way
[11:41] <Riddell> awen-: it works with qt 4
[11:41] <Riddell> not qt 3 though
[11:42] <awen-> Riddell: exactly... but is it better to use qt4 then?
[11:42] <Riddell> awen-: margionally, we already have it on the CDs
[11:45] <awen-> Riddell: okay, didn't know it was already there... i can look into changing it later today; unless you will change those three lines yourself :)
[11:46] <Riddell> awen-: ImportError: No module named pcop
[11:51]  * awen- is a bit confused... we use dcop functions in powermanager already, but python-dcop isn't a dependency?
[11:52] <Riddell> awen-: is pcop a typo?
[11:53] <Riddell> awen-: I think there are two python dcop implementations and you might be using the wrong one
[11:53] <Riddell> sebas: true? ^^
[11:55] <awen-> Riddell: there are at least two
[11:56] <awen-> Riddell: looks like I've been looking at two of the "wrong" dcop implementations
[12:04] <sebas> Riddell: Uhm, could be
[12:04] <sebas> I think one comes with PyKDE, one is sort-of standalone
[12:04] <sebas> But it's a long tiem ago I played with it, I might be wrong
[12:05] <awen-> sebas: you are right
[12:05] <sebas> Cool ;-)
[12:05] <awen-> :)
[12:05] <awen-> Riddell: I'll look in to using the build in dcop client and switch to qt-mainloop instead
[12:06] <awen-> install python-dcop if you want to test it as it is now
[12:59] <smarter_> I played a bit with https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk feel free to blame me if it doesn't work anymore ;)
[13:00] <\sh> window 14
[13:00] <\sh> grmpf
[14:01] <ryanov> Any living folks in here?
[14:02] <ryanov> Looking for a little assistance maybe with a busted KDM. Worked a little while after upgrading, but not anymore.
[14:03] <Jucato> ryanov: user support channel is #kubuntu (for Hardy #ubuntu+1 and for KDE 4 #kubuntu-kde4)
[14:05] <ryanov> For Hardy with KDE? Or would it be kubuntu+1?
[14:05] <jussi01> ryanov: no, #ubuntu+1 supports all of hardy
[14:05] <Jucato> ryanov: hardy with KDE 3 #ubuntu+1
[14:05] <ryanov> OK. Sounds good. Thanks for the help!
[14:05] <ryanov> Yeah, that's what I'm using. Thankws.
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm looking at awen's kde-guidance package now.
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK: see his and mine discussion from earlier today, it should use python-qt4-dbus not glib and should use the correct python dcop
[15:18] <Riddell> but testing (and fixes) welcome
[15:20] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll go ahead and focus on my displayconfig stuff and add his on top of that if he updates it.
[15:21] <seele> Riddell: do you know if nosrednaekim has a ppa of the current printing stuff?
[15:25] <Riddell> seele: no, it's in bzr.  bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[15:28] <nixternal> Riddell: I can upload the CMakeLists.txt I edited for printer-applet...but there is also a problem with the create_exe_symlink.cmake file
[15:29] <\sh> hmm..no konversation for kde4?
[15:29]  * Riddell checks to see if he turned over two pages at once
[15:29] <nixternal> what I added to the CMakeLists.txt was 'find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)' \n 'include(KDE4Defaults)' to get the app to build out
[15:30] <nixternal> \sh: no yet there isn't
[15:30] <nixternal> 4.1 I think
[15:30] <Riddell> nixternal: to build out?
[15:30] <\sh> nixternal: damn ;)
[15:30] <nixternal> Riddell: w/o those 2 lines, CMake doesn't know what 'macro_optional_find_package()' is
[15:30] <\sh> but funny ... desktop effects on intel graphics card are much better then on ati with oss drivers
[15:31] <nixternal> \sh: tell me about it...KDE 4 on my lappy rocks, on my desktop with a radeon, using either fglrx or the oss drivers, and building from trunk, my system constanstly freezes
[15:31] <\sh> nixternal: yeah
[15:31] <nixternal> on a 64bit box..but I also believe that happens with distro packages as well
[15:32] <\sh> nixternal: I have only troubles on amd64 + ati radeon x300
[15:32] <\sh> (never tried the fglrx stuff)
[15:32] <nixternal> radeon 9700 which uses the r300 driver here
[15:32] <Riddell> nixternal: 'find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)' is in kdereview/CMakeLists.txt
[15:33] <nixternal> umm, when was it added?
[15:33] <\sh> hmmm
[15:33] <nixternal> oh, never mind
[15:33] <\sh> why can't I set more then 2 virtual desktops?
[15:33] <nixternal> Riddell: I was building printer-applet out by itself
[15:33] <\sh> oh damn..that's user unfriendly
[15:33] <Riddell> nixternal: what's wrong with create_exe_symlink.cmake ?
[15:33] <nixternal> I forgot that is the way it was setup for kdereview
[15:34] <\sh> pager rows and desktops can be misunderstood :(
[15:34] <nixternal> I have no idea, it just crashes out of the build process when running it
[15:34] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe add those with if (NOT KDE4_FOUND) a la step/CMakeLists.txt
[15:34] <nixternal> let me try building from kdereview/
[15:39] <nixternal> Riddell: take back everything I said
[15:39] <nixternal> builds fine from kdereview/
[15:39] <Riddell> nixternal: if you're in a mood for cmake though, feel free to add a tests for python-cups (required) and hal-cups-utils (recommended)
[15:40] <nixternal> k, I am working on the docs for printer-applet
[15:40] <Riddell> nixternal: it needs docs?
[15:40] <nixternal> annma and I are making sure everything that comes out of kdereview has docs
[15:40] <nixternal> it should have docs, yes
[15:41] <Riddell> 13:40 < annma> and you are right that no doc is needed
[15:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:41] <Riddell> I don't know what docs would say
[15:41] <nixternal> groovy, that knocks down one task then :)
[15:42] <nixternal> docs removed
[15:44] <\sh> hmm.icons are missing in the main menu...K->Applications -> no menu icons...known?
[15:49] <\sh> and kopete is crashing with jabber ;)
[15:49] <Riddell> \sh: 3 or 4?
[15:49] <\sh> 4
[15:49] <\sh> I only have kde4 on this desktop
[15:50] <\sh> Riddell: tried to connect against my jabber server
[15:51] <\sh> do we have debug packages for kopete?
[15:51] <Riddell> unlikely
[15:53] <Nightrose> \sh: same happens for me when it is open / does not crash when it is minimized to the tray
[15:53] <Nightrose> when I connect
[15:53] <Nightrose> opening it after that is fine
[15:56] <Riddell> allee: you had something to be uploaded to main, did that happen?
[15:56] <\sh> Nightrose: well, it's not even minimized
[16:01] <nixternal> ooh, 4.4-beta package...you rock Riddell :)
[16:01] <nixternal> no more compiling by hand
[16:07]  * jussi01 sighs at yao_zizuan in #kubuntu :(
[16:19] <nixternal> I love when people want to protest something in Kubuntu, however have not one ioda to back it up, nothing to suggest as an improvement
[16:19] <nixternal> wasting breath and keystrokes, there for consuming more power than is needed :p
[16:21] <awen-> sebas: around?
[16:27] <ScottK> awen-: I'm working on Guidance today.   Will you have your changes updated soon or should I just go ahead when I'm ready?
[16:28] <awen-> ScottK: I'm trying to get the helper app approved; but I'm kind of stuck at the last bit... you shouldn't happen to be an expert in python + Qt?
[16:30] <ScottK> Python I'm decent at.  Qt absolutely hopeless.
[16:30] <ScottK> nixternal knows Qt and a bit of Python.  Maybe he would help?
[16:30] <awen-> ScottK: okay... your know half of the equation, that's more than me ;)
[16:31] <awen-> the gobject mainloop should be replaced with a Qt mainloop, but this just wont work for me: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/gpmhelper.py
[16:31] <awen-> nixternal: any good advice? ^^
[16:33] <Riddell> allee: import dbus.mainloop.qt ?
[16:34] <Riddell> awen- rather
[16:34] <Riddell> dbus.mainloop.qt.DBusQtMainLoop(set_as_default=True)
[16:35] <allee> Riddell: ?   is this about kblue* script?
[16:35] <ScottK> allee: It's about tab completion problems.
[16:35] <allee> lol
[16:36] <Riddell> allee: but I also asked about if you got your upload uploaded from friday
[16:37] <allee> allee: ah, right.  No.   Minutes after I asked you debian upload a new version with the 'my' fix + some other fixes.  So IMHO a merge/sync is better, but didn't find the time yet to look at it
[16:37] <awen-> Riddell: that part I've got :) ... but what should I use instead of gobject as the loop?
[16:37] <allee> ah, tab problem agian  Riddell ^^ :)
[16:38] <Riddell> awen-: app.exec_() is right
[16:38] <Riddell> allee: ok, let us know when you know
[16:39] <awen-> Riddell: and i should do a "app = QApplication(sys.argv)" right?
[16:40] <Riddell> awen-: yes
[16:40] <awen-> Riddell: that gives me this error: "RuntimeError: the qt and PyQt4.QtCore modules both wrap the QObject class"
[16:43] <awen-> Riddell: reuploaded the file
[16:44]  * awen- believes that he is doing a very common error... but just can't see it
[16:44] <Riddell> awen-: oh, it won't work because we're using qt4 (dbus) and qt3 (dcop)
[16:44] <Riddell> oh well
[16:45] <Riddell> awen-: infact does dcop work at all without a qt3 mainloop?
[16:46] <Riddell> if so I guess it just needs to use the glib one
[16:46] <awen-> Riddell: we are only sending dcop events... and that works with the glib mainloop
[16:47] <Riddell> awen-: ok, lets do that then
[16:47] <awen-> Riddell: I've changed it to use the right "dcop" implementation... so I'll just stick with the gobject?
[16:49] <Riddell> awen-: yeah, guess so
[16:50] <ScottK> awen-: Does that mean your change is ready to go?
[16:50] <awen-> ScottK: yeah... I'm just preparing the debdiff for you to merge :)
[16:51] <ScottK> awen-: Great.
[16:54] <awen-> ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu8.debdiff <-- here you go
[16:54] <ScottK> awen-: Getting ...
[16:55] <awen-> ScottK: it doesn't include a fix for the userconfig unicode problem as it didn't seem to work... I hope we get some feedback on the bug soon (and thanks for the correction to my mindslip ;) )
[16:56] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds reasonable.
[16:57] <awen-> ScottK: do we need some bug numbers to the changlog (know they are there, but haven't been looking at them)... or should we just close them afterwards?
[16:58] <ScottK> It's much better to get them in the changelog so people can go back to it later if they need to.
[17:01] <awen-> ScottK: I'll go look for them... can you hold it half an hour
[17:01] <awen-> ?
[17:01] <ScottK> awen-: Yes.  I've got more work to do yet.
[17:06] <Riddell> anyone able to recreate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/206154 ?
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206154 in kdebase "kded goes to 100% when plugging in a pen drive" [Undecided,New]
[17:08] <jussi01> Riddell: not here, goes to 1%
[17:10] <awen-> ScottK: you will also need to upload this together with kde-guidance: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kdeutils_3.5.9-0ubuntu3.debdiff ... or you will have a lot of keypresses interpreted twice
[17:10] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:10] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Would you please look that one over and make sure you're OK with it.
[17:11] <Riddell> ScottK: seen it, fine with me
[17:11] <Riddell> jussi01: me neither
[17:12] <awen-> Riddell: can't reproduce it either
[17:13] <jussi01> Riddell: is that in gutsy or hardy?
[17:15] <Riddell> jussi01: hardy I think
[17:15] <jussi01> Riddell: ok, thats what ive tested on. :)
[17:15] <awen-> Riddell: it has kde*3.5.9* somewhere in the traceback?
[17:15] <awen-> so it is hardy
[17:19] <awen-> ScottK: here is a new changlog entry: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/changelog.gpmhelper
[17:20] <ScottK> awen-: Did you just add the one line.
[17:20] <awen-> ScottK: yeah
[17:41] <kishore> hi all
[17:42] <kishore> I am a KDE enthusiast and would like to build and work with trunk
[17:43] <kishore> riddel suggests that it would be a good idea to have a PPA that updates itself
[17:43] <kishore> what i want to know here is what changes does kubuntu packaging make to KDE sources and
[17:44] <kishore> are there patches available for the debian directories as is used by kubuntu packaging
[17:48] <Riddell> hi kishore
[17:48] <Riddell> you may want to talk to apachelogger, who I believe is working on something similar
[17:49] <Riddell> kishore: our packaging is available with apt-get source, the patches for kubuntu are in debian/patches/kubuntu_*
[17:50] <kishore> oh thanks.. good to hear as i am more instested developing using kde4.1 rather than 4.1 itself
[17:50] <kishore> but consider building 4.1 necessary
[17:52] <kishore> is there a way i can get only patches for the package
[17:52] <kishore> internet is slow around here
[17:54] <Riddell> kishore: you can try the packaging bzr archive, although its often out of date https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[17:56] <kishore> ok thanks
[18:24] <ScottK> So, I've built, installed, and tested the new kde-guidance on one machine.  On another machine at the same time, pbuilder has managed to build a chroot and gather the kdeutils build-deps....
[18:25]  * ScottK just loves these effing huge kde packages
[18:29] <jussi01> ScottK: think of it as "relaxation" time :D
[18:37] <ScottK> jussi01: Not for me.  I'm doing Kubuntu stuff to procrastinate $WORK and so it's taking away my excuse.
[18:40] <jussi01> ScottK: hehe
[18:41] <aboe> can somebody help me with kde4 oxygen theme, font color of the menubar won't change
[19:12] <allee> Riddell: to get kipi-plugins 0.1.5 final into hardy, we need to start with sync libkdcraw 0.1.4 (new version) from debian.   Can you do it with your super-archive-powers?
[19:14] <allee> ^^^ libkdcraw bumps API version
[19:16] <ScottK> awen-: I have brightness again on my old laptop.  Thanks.
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell and awen-: kdeutils and kde-guidance uploaded.
[19:18] <awen-> ScottK: no problem... glad to hear that it works just as it should :)
[19:18] <ScottK> There was enough bugfix goodness I went ahead and uploaded kde-guidance.  I have a couple more things to do in displayconfig, but they're rather more scary, so wanted to get this done first.
[19:23] <awen-> ScottK: thanks
[19:24] <ScottK> awen-: No.  Thank you for your contributions to Kubuntu.
[19:24] <yuriy> afternoon
[19:24] <yuriy> so bugsquad is doing gdm + gnome-screensaver for hug day this thursday
[19:25] <awen-> ScottK: about the userconfig + unicode; i'm pretty stuck with my limited python knowledge, if you wan't to look at it here is the patch i tried with http://awen.dk/packages/kubuntu_20_userconfig_utf8.patch and the best documentation i could find http://docs.python.org/tut/node5.html#SECTION005130000000000000000
[19:25] <yuriy> i looked at kdm bugs -- searching for kdm in kdebase turns up 47, 23 new. doesn't seem that urgent
[19:25] <yuriy> anybody have better ideas?
[19:25] <uga> Riddell: it'd have been nice if the commit stated good reasons to remove ktip.. there's people getting annoyed at the "bwahahaha" kubuntisation
[19:26] <uga> Riddell: just noticing that, no annoyance from me
[19:26] <ScottK> awen-: Thanks.
[19:26] <awen-> ScottK: i will not have time to look at it tomorrow, but i could give it another go on thursday... still, i would appreciate a second pair of eyes at it :)
[19:27] <ScottK> awen-: Depends on how much time I have tomorrow and what displayconfig evil I can manage.
[19:28] <awen-> ScottK: of course... you're doing some solid improvements on that one
[19:32] <awen-> yuriy: what about some of the large kde "metapackages" like kdeutils or the like (last time I looked at some of them they had some large bug counts)
[19:33] <ScottK> Where is kde for kde4?  Ought to include that.
[19:33] <ScottK> kde/kdm
[19:34] <jpatrick> kdm-kde4?
[19:34] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:34]  * ScottK is strictly kde3 still.
[19:34] <jpatrick> !info kdm-kde4 hardy
[19:34]  * jpatrick too
[19:35] <awen-> looks like ubotu is strict kde3 too
[19:36] <jpatrick> ubotu lies
[19:36] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[19:41] <Riddell> allee: yes I can sync that
[19:42]  * awen- cheers allee for packaging the final kipi-plugins for hardy
[19:42] <allee> Riddell: okay, thx.  Fabo will upload fixes for digikam real soon now.  So we can hopefully sync that too tomorrow ;)
[19:43] <Riddell> uga: hmm, seems albert keeps finding reasons to not like what I do :(
[19:43] <allee> awen-: thx, but still 3 bugfixes to backport ;)
[19:44] <uga> Riddell: is there going to be a replacement btw?
[19:44] <Riddell> uga: there's a plasmoid thingy to introduce to KDE
[19:44] <uga> iirc somebody aimed at replacing it a while ago
[19:44] <uga> ahk
[19:45] <awen-> allee: good luck with them... if you need any help, just ask (i was anyway preparing to begin packaging them myself :) )
[19:46] <allee> awen-: pkg is already in my ppa for quite some time but Gilles and Angelo point me to more and more fixes
[19:49] <awen-> allee: okay, i'll go test them out later... /me do really hope they manages hardy
[19:49] <allee> awen-: me too ;)
[19:51] <yuriy> awen-: too large even. a good subsection of a metapackage would work
[19:51] <yuriy> i.e. konqueror bugs
[19:51] <yuriy> or the aforementioned kdm but that seems a bit small
[19:53] <awen-> yuriy: is konqueror bugs already looked at? ... that sound like a good focus to me
[19:53] <yuriy> the other thing i'm thinking is kde4 bugs
[19:53] <yuriy> primarily forwarding them upstream
[19:53] <yuriy> but i don't know how relevant that is for hardy at this point
[19:54] <yuriy> anything like this is going to be annoying to get on a wiki page btw because we don't have a good tagging system
[19:56] <awen-> yuriy: just a note... if we ever have a joint ubuntu+kubuntu bug day i would suggest looking at hal bugs
[19:57] <yuriy> awen-: these are all joint. tuesdays are non-desktop specific, you could suggest to bdmurray to have a hal one
[19:58] <awen-> yuriy: i will do that
[20:14] <mathieu__> Riddell: that qt beta you blogged about today, its only for hardy?
[20:15] <Riddell> mathieu__: yes
[20:16] <mathieu__> thanks
[20:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about che's question on bug #197865
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197865 in kdebase-workspace "Zoom out button in plasma should be removed for hardy" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197865
[20:27] <seele> apachelogger: oi, there was a long painful discussion on the plasma mailing list about that
[20:28] <yuriy> seele: did they decide anything on what they think about downstreams removing it for release?
[20:28] <apachelogger> I honestly don't care
[20:28] <seele> yuriy: i dont see how they could control that and theyre free to be upset if they want
[20:28] <apachelogger> what they think about us removing it
[20:29] <seele> i think one of the final decisions (but i dont konw what got committed) was to keep the toolbox thing in the corner but disable zooming until it is fixed
[20:29] <seele> people were against disabling the toolbox alltogether
[20:29] <seele> ok
[20:29] <seele> (mt)
[20:29] <apachelogger> yeah, I am not sure whether this would be wise all that much
[20:30] <apachelogger> the toolbox thingy makes it more visible
[20:30] <apachelogger> but since we don't install the extragear plasmoids in hardy there is not much point in that either
[20:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a patched amarok for upload?
[20:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: I uploaded my changes to bzr
[20:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, thanks
[20:38] <seaLne> what is the correct status for a bug (that i reported a while ago) that isn't relevant anymore? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/58399
[20:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58399 in koffice "koffice dapper to edgy upgrade problem" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:39] <yuriy> seaLne: invalid
[20:39] <seaLne> k, haven't triaged in a while and couldn't rember
[20:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess the gtk2-engines-qtcurve thingy is too late.. ?
[20:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thinking about Hobbsee's email
[20:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I hereby dislike LUKS
[20:45]  * jpatrick stomps on crap patch
[20:49] <seaLne> jpatrick: in hardy when you plug in a encrypted disk and it prompts to decrypt, is it supposed to mount it or just leave create a /dev/mapper/ device?
[20:50] <jpatrick> seaLne: both
[20:50] <seaLne> hmm in both gutsy and now hardy it dosen't mount it for me wasn't entirely sure if it should
[20:51] <seaLne> is that a known bug? i wasn't sure what it would be a bug against
[20:52] <jpatrick> seaLne: the gusy package is outdated (I think)
[20:53] <seaLne> i wasn't to bothered about it but when i just got it in hardy...
[20:54] <seaLne> jpatrick: i take it it is mounting for you?
[20:55] <apachelogger> someone please try to reproduce bug #199630
[20:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199630 in kdebase-kde4 "Bookmark > Edit Bookmark does not launch bookmark editor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199630
[20:55] <seaLne> jpatrick: btw 3.5.9
[20:56] <jpatrick> seaLne: yeah, ad for buz, who helped test it
[20:57] <seaLne> this is a usb hard disk with no partitions just the raw device ie /dev/sdd encrypted and with an xfs filesystem on it
[20:58] <apachelogger> stdin: please backport kdelibs for kde3 to the ppa in order to fix bug #199505
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199505 in kdebase-kde4 "Duplicate KDE3 and KDE4 entries" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199505
[21:00] <seaLne> is there any know problems with kde4graphics-data from gutsy ppa and ksnapshot-kde4 in hardy conflicting on /usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.ksnapshot.xml ? not sure if its important and strange that no one else seems to have encountered it
[21:01] <seaLne> i guess something changed when the packaging of kde4-graphics became kdegraphics-kde4 or something?
[21:01] <apachelogger> seaLne: please report a bug and assign me
[21:02] <Serega> Riddell: hey, Jon, I have a next patch, please review: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/957204
[21:02] <apachelogger> actually I would appreciate it if someone could make a list with all name changes
[21:06] <seaLne> apachelogger: Bug #206807
[21:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206807 in kdegraphics-kde4 "upgrading gutsy+4.0.2 to hardy fails with conflictions on /usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.ksnapshot.xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206807
[21:07] <apachelogger> seaLne: thanks
[21:10] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: you were working on system-config-printer right?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> hrm.... what am I doing wrong here? is there supposed to be some argument to pyqtSignature in this instance? manually connecting the signal to the function works, but it calls it twice (as normal)
[21:10] <nosrednaekim>     @pyqtSignature("")
[21:10] <nosrednaekim>     def on_cbPrintMode_activated(self,text):
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: I am.... still... trying :)
[21:11] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: bug 206459
[21:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206459 in system-config-printer-kde "print status doesn't update automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206459
[21:13] <awen-> yuriy: i had that bug a week ago or so, but it was gone when i printed yesterday...
[21:13] <yuriy> so maybe fixed
[21:13] <yuriy> i don't have a printer so i can't test
[21:14] <awen-> yuriy: it might be... but the bug misses current package version
[21:14] <ScottK> awen-: The Debian kde-guidance maintainer is trying our updates out on Sid.  Once we get final for Hardy, I plan on pushing all this up to them.
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> awen-: yeah, i've noticed that its updating is rather arbitrary, try running view->reload next time it does that and see if that changes it
[21:15] <seaLne> jpatrick: i think i have found the problem with my encrypted volumes, it works if their is a partition table, but dosen't when their isn't
[21:15] <seaLne> just tested on a spare pendrive
[21:15] <awen-> ScottK: sounds good :) ... what about upstream, is that alive for kde-guidance?
[21:16] <ScottK> awen-: Sort of.  Riddell has svn access there and he'll handle that.
[21:16] <awen-> nosrednaekim: it seemed fixed to me... but rather have you look at the bug ;)
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> awen-: I will, its now assigned to me.
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> away
[21:18] <jpatrick> seaLne: truly odd, why it just stopped working in hardy...
[21:18] <yuriy> yes guidance should be kept updated upstream with fixes
[21:19] <ScottK> yuriy: Once we get what we're doing for Hardy nailed down, we'll get that done too.
[21:19] <seaLne> jpatrick: have you tried with encrypted raw devices rather than a partition?
[21:19] <ScottK> I have two significant patches that I have yet to add.
[21:19] <awen-> ScottK: okay; thought so... but let's push it upstream that way then... maybe a last final release of kde-guidance before kde 3.5 dies
[21:19] <jpatrick> seaLne: not here..
[21:20] <ScottK> awen-: I don't know what else is changed since the last svn snapshot we took.  I'd like to hand something to Debian I'm reasonably confident works.
[21:22] <awen-> ScottK: someone could try a grand merge of it all and see what happens :) ... but if the hardy package with the current patches shouldn't have any trouble on sid; and it probably holds more changes than the svn anyway
[21:23] <awen-> s/but if//1
[21:23] <ScottK> Yes.  My theory is update Debian and upstream with what we have, take a new snapshot as soon as Ibex opens and see where we are.
[21:24] <seaLne> jpatrick: where is the code for the encrypted decrypting/mounting stuff?
[21:24] <jpatrick> seaLne: kdebase - patch kubuntu_*_kiomedialuks.diff
[21:25] <awen-> ScottK: that sounds like a reasonable plan... or if someone has contact with upstream, convince them to release a bugfix version when everything is in the svn
[21:25] <ScottK> awen-: That'd be Riddell.
[21:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, on the test site, did you prefer the story title to be underlined or no?
[21:27] <awen-> ScottK: then no problem... just after the hardy release Riddell will have lots of time for that ;)
[21:29] <yuriy> < yuriy> yes guidance should be kept updated upstream with fixes  <-- sorry i meant that ScottK and awen's fixes should be put upstream, not that i know of any fixes upstream that aren't in hardy
[21:29]  * seaLne just confirms for sanity sake that a formated raw non encrypted devices mounts properly, and it does
[21:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's wrong with luks now?
[21:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: probably none
[21:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[21:31] <Dekans> Riddell: are you aware of a bug with kdm in hardy ?
[21:31] <Dekans> a black screen on logout
[21:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it would be improper, although it shouldn't change the screenshots that she says since it changes one style for another one which looks the same
[21:32] <Riddell> Dekans: no
[21:33] <Dekans> I have this since alpha versions (nvidia-glx on amd64)
[21:33] <Riddell> Serega: this looks like it would also need the strings extracted into a .pot
[21:34] <Serega> Riddell: right. I have a .pot and russian and ukrainian translation but dunno how to package this stuff
[21:37] <seaLne> jpatrick: do you happen to have a spare pendrive or something to confirm that it is the raw device that is causing the problem?
[21:37] <Riddell> Serega: hopefully we put it in the package and launchpad will sort it out
[21:39] <Riddell> Serega: can you send me the .pot file?
[21:39] <jjesse> Riddell: can you reply to my email from debra in regards to kde version for me?
[21:39] <Serega> Riddell: sec, I'll regenerate all files... there are comments in .pot like this "#: ../test.py:47" :(
[21:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I wont use any more time on it :)
[21:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm satisfied that the wallpaper and qtcurve made it !
[21:40] <Riddell> jjesse: the "I need to make sure that I know what.." one?
[21:41] <jjesse> Riddell: yes please
[21:43] <seaLne> how do i ask hal questions similar to libhal_device_get_property_QString(m_halContext, udi, "volume.fsusage") ?
[21:43] <jpatrick> seaLne: no, I don't, and I have to go to sleep :(
[21:43] <seaLne> is there a scripty or comandline like way?
[21:43] <Riddell> seaLne: lshal | grep volume.fsusage
[21:44] <seaLne> jpatrick: i can send you one if you want?
[21:44] <seaLne> Riddell: ta
[21:44] <jpatrick> seaLne: you give out free pendrives? :/
[21:44] <Serega> Riddell: here is the .pot: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/957293
[21:45] <seaLne> jpatrick: not in general but i have a spare if you want it and it would be helpfull?
[21:46]  * Serega waves to jpatrick
[21:46]  * jpatrick waves to Serega :)
[21:47] <_StefanS_> seaLne: hal-get-property
[21:47] <_StefanS_> seaLne: sorry, didnt see it was already answered
[21:47]  * seaLne wonders how to get the udi?
[21:48] <_StefanS_> seaLne: hal-device
[21:48] <_StefanS_> seaLne: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/hal.html
[21:48] <Riddell> seaLne: kde-hal-device-manager may help
[21:49] <Serega> does lanchpad look into packages in search of .pots?
[21:49] <seaLne> unfortunatly i don't have it installed and can't currently install due to breakage but i shall try to remember all this fun hal stuff
[21:49] <Serega> I can't google any info about this
[21:52] <seaLne> jpatrick: if you trust me with your postal address i'll pop a pendrive in the post to you tommorow
[22:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to move all khtml/kcm related libs/desktop files into konqueror-kde4 to remove the deps on -data and -bin
[22:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[22:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: a) because it was that way in KDE 3 as well and b) because it's likely that someone just uses konqueror as webbrowser, so cutting down the deps makes sense I guess
[22:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, ok
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: can't find the svn+ssh command anywhere for the KDE SVN repositories.... could you resend me that link you send me yesterday?
[22:17] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: which one was that?
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> the one for "getting a SVN account" I'm trying to find it myself, but haven't had any luck
[22:18] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> I got a SVN account though, I just need the ssh command...
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> thanks!
[22:22] <blueyed> Riddell: can you please fix bug 206187 in the next upload of kdebase?
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206187 in kdebase "Please drop patch kubuntu_9920_startkde_dash_stupidness.diff" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206187
[22:22] <fdoving> man, using icecream for a build-farm is so simple. can't belive i've never done that before.
[22:22] <blueyed> Riddell: I would have committed the change to the bzr branch, but it does not get used currently (anymore)..
[22:23] <Serega> Riddell: how it's going? can I help you?
[22:23] <seele> nosrednaekim: what is the default screen that shows up with the settings tab?  is that for the currently selected printer?
[22:23]  * apachelogger is afraid something in konqueror-kde4 might be broken now
[22:24] <fdoving> apachelogger: current svn?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> seele: "Server Settings"?
[22:24] <apachelogger> fdoving: no, my current packaging
[22:24] <seele> nosrednaekim: i have whatever is currently in bazaar. when you start system-config-printer-kde there is a screen.  what is that screen for?
[22:25] <fdoving> apachelogger: phew. i'm building trunk. i was close to ctrl-c'ing it.
[22:25] <seele> nosrednaekim: is it for a selected printer?
[22:26] <apachelogger> fdoving: as I stated at the last meeting, only breakage makes using devel versions fun :D
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> seele: does it have options such as "Show Printers shared by other systems" and "Allow Printing from the Internet"  or options like "Printout Mode" and "Orientation"?
[22:26] <Riddell> blueyed: ok
[22:26] <Riddell> Serega: I'll get there, just distracted by other hings
[22:26] <seele> nosrednaekim: that is on the servers page
[22:27] <seele> nosrednaekim: that isnt the default screen that shows though
[22:27] <fdoving> apachelogger: yeah, i could just revert it to a working revision sooner if i knew it would break :)
[22:27] <Serega> Riddell: ok, ok. Just feel free to bother me on need
[22:27] <seele> i'm just trying to figure out what's in the ui, that's all, i know it's not done
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> seele: could I have a screenshot?i'm not sure what you are referring to... or maybe the names of widgets/text
[22:28] <seele> nosrednaekim: three tabs.  Settings Policies Options.  three buttons. Remover Printer, Print Test Page, Clean Print Heads
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> seele: oh... right, yes, thats for the current printer
[22:28] <seele> once you click New Printer or Server Settings, you cant get back to the page
[22:29] <seele> ok
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> you have to select one of the existing printers to get back to that page
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> i'm not sure what happens if you don't have any printers though.
[22:29] <seele> there are no existing printers
[22:29] <seele> lol.. when you dont have any that screen shows up when you run system-config-printer-kde
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ah... that would be a problem... thanks
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> hah... that does look wierd.... just tried it
[22:32] <allee> Riddell: about gwenview: only kubuntu spezific change would be kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff.  But the upstream default: kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot   evaluate to kdepotpath=/usr/include/kde/kde.pot  and this is the hardcoded default of the kubuntu patch
[22:33]  * allee can imagine what kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff is good for
[22:34] <Riddell> allee: it may not be needed then (or it may break in unexpected ways in the buildds)
[22:36] <allee> Riddell: okay.  I'll pbuild a 'sync'.  let's see
[22:41] <yuriy> for lack of other ideas, i'll go with konqueror for thursday
[22:41] <yuriy> hug day on thursday that is
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: kde3 or kde4?
[22:42] <yuriy> 3
[22:49] <allee> Riddell: okay, gwenview 'sync' pbuilds in hardy.  Therefore status is: fabo and me merged/uploaded kubuntu changes back to debian.   After libkdcraw 0.1.4-2 from sid is sync'ed  and _built on all_ ubuntu archs: digikam 0.9.3-2 , gwenview 1.4.2-4, kipi-plugins 0.1.5-1 and kphotoalbum 3.1.1-1 can be synce'ed from sid.
[22:57] <Riddell> Serega: looks great, uploaded, thanks
[22:57] <Riddell> Serega: you should probably check with carlos that it'll get imported into launchpad for hardy, then you can upload your translations to launchpad
[22:58] <Serega> Riddell: it is a music for my ears. thank you, Jonathan!
[22:58] <Serega> Riddell: who is carlos?
[22:59] <Riddell> Serega: carlos developers launchpad translations, doesn't seem to be o irc just now
[22:59] <Riddell> Serega: carlos develops launchpad translations, doesn't seem to be on irc just now
[23:00] <Serega> Riddell:  ah, ok. Good night!
[23:16] <Riddell> allee: why do those packages need to wait for libkdcraw? don't they have versioned build-deps?
[23:17] <allee> Riddell: yeap.   makes backports easier, but one has to wait until lib is build
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> seele: bug-type-thingy fixed :)
[23:33] <seele> nosrednaekim: cool
[23:36] <jjesse>   evening
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> hey jjesse
[23:36] <jjesse> hello nosrednaekim
[23:56] <seele> anyone know where theme icons are stored?
[23:57] <Riddell> seele: /usr/share/icons /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons
[23:57] <seele> Riddell: thanks
[23:58] <Riddell> or kdebase/runtime in svn
[23:59] <seele> huh, i guess i could have searched for "icon" too
[23:59] <seele> i dont mean to ask so many dumb questions :P