[00:05] <bbrazil> how do I track a conffile back to a package?
[00:06] <RAOF> dpkg -S $file_to_search_for, generally.
[00:08] <bbrazil> that doesn't work for conffiles, epsecially if they're created by pre/postinst
[00:08] <bbrazil> and not in this case anyway, neither does poking in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[00:09] <bbrazil> ah, partial search found a related pacakge
[00:11] <bbrazil> hmm, keyboard map is fixed but it restarted X in doing so
[00:13] <mooboo1> everybody got xserver-xorg-core in update manager, or just me?
[00:13] <mooboo1> i got it 10 mins ago
[00:13] <mooboo1> anyone else?
[00:14] <tanner> anyone know how to run a 32bit mplayer on 64bit ubuntu install?
[00:15] <mooboo1> DanaG, you just got xserver-xorg-core update from update manager?
[00:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll look.
[00:16] <Zanth> hi there
[00:16] <mooboo1> hi you :)
[00:16] <Zanth> I'm hving a major conflict between gnome-session-daemon and the xserver-xgl
[00:17] <Zanth> removing the xserver-xgl means I can work in gnome...but of course no compiz
[00:17] <Zanth> I noticed in the hardy forums many have been discussing this issue
[00:17] <Zanth> was wondering if there are any ideas on a fix
[00:17] <DanaG> List of changes isn't available; I don't like to install things until I seea changelog.
[00:18] <mooboo1> oh, but you do got the updatE?
[00:18] <DanaG> It looks like the updated one may be one to fix the key 'stickage'.
[00:18] <mooboo1> indeed it does
[00:18] <bhsx> hi, so after installing the "official" ati drivers update manager now says i can update dpatch, fglrx-kernel-source and xorg-driver-fglrx....   these are incorrect, yes?
[00:18] <mooboo1> i installed the update, and i tried to reproduce "key gets stuck", but i cant
[00:18] <bhsx> can i choose to set those to ignore somehow?
[00:19] <mooboo1> bhsx, i thought fglrx was the official drivers...
[00:19] <bhsx> meaning i downloaded it from ati... didn't do it through synaptic or anything...
[00:19] <poseidon> Are you supposed to be able to play youtube videos with gnash?
[00:20] <bhsx> i used dpkg to rebuild it
[00:20] <poseidon> It doesn't quite work with me
[00:20] <bhsx> gnash is terrible
[00:20] <bhsx> use flash-nonfree
[00:20] <mooboo1> bhsx, i thought "Restricted hardware drivers" would install them for you
[00:20] <mooboo1> poseidon, not sure
[00:20] <bhsx> they might mooboo...  but i installed from ati.com
[00:20] <mooboo1> bhsx, we shouldnt recommend people to use proprietary software :p
[00:20] <bhsx> :P
[00:21] <bhsx> well, gnash wont play youtube
[00:21] <mooboo1> bhsx, i guess its better to let the restricted hardware drivers install them for you...
[00:21] <bhsx> and flash will
[00:21] <mooboo1> i use youtube alot, so i have flash, but i dont want have flash :(
[00:21] <poseidon> You have to pay for the flash player though?
[00:21] <bhsx> i know, but he's asking a question about using gnash with youtube
[00:21] <mooboo1> poseidon, no
[00:21] <bhsx> no it's "free"
[00:22] <bhsx> go to synaptic and search for "flash"
[00:22] <poseidon> moobool, how can I unistall gnash and install flash
[00:22] <mooboo1> hmm... maybe from synaptic
[00:22] <mooboo1> or $ apt-get remove gnash
[00:22] <mooboo1> maybe
[00:22] <bhsx> sudo apt-get remove gnash
[00:22] <mooboo1> ya that
[00:23] <bhsx> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree                      <i think
[00:23] <bhsx> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:24] <mooboo1> i thought if you dont have any flash player installed, firefox will prompt you
[00:24] <bhsx> first enable your universe and prolly multiverse repositories
[00:24] <poseidon> bhsx, that wasn't it
[00:24] <bhsx> first enable your universe and prolly multiverse repositories
[00:24] <bhsx> i have a fresh hardy install and haven't added any repositories by hand
[00:24] <bhsx> i have flash and youtube working fine
[00:25] <nomasteryoda> mooboo1, it should do so
[00:25] <bhsx> but go through System>Administration>Software Sources
[00:25] <bhsx> and click to enable the outter repositories
[00:26] <poseidon> Installing it now.
[00:26] <Syko> having trouble with sound =/
[00:26] <Syko> fun huh?
[00:26] <bhsx> there ya go =)
[00:26] <poseidon> Ubuntu is great once you get your internet going!
[00:26]  * Dr_willis_ crashes the internet
[00:27] <bhsx> hardy is MUCH, MUCH more responsive than 7.10 so far
[00:27] <bhsx> the new scheduler rocks i guess
[00:27] <cyclonut> I havent noticed toooo much of a difference
[00:28] <bhsx> although i still dont like that once i installed my 3d drivers everything SLOWED DOWN....   (default beryl/compiz [turn off visual effects])\
[00:28] <cyclonut> the biggest difference for me is about 60mb greater memory usage on boot
[00:28] <poseidon> I installed flash, but now firefox is acting like it isn't installed.  And when I go to install missing plug-ins it just keeps searching.
[00:28] <cyclonut> buuut that probably equals your responsiveness
[00:28] <bhsx> did you restart firefox?
[00:29] <jin> I have a weird problem... gparted has detected /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 but those 2 don't show up in /dev at all :\
[00:29] <cyclonut> poseidon, restart firefox, if not, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> I dont think one EVER wants to use 'install missing plugins' in firefox
[00:29] <cyclonut> probably not
[00:30] <poseidon> cyclonut, I restarted and it still didn't work.  I'll try the other now
[00:31] <adinc> can someone tell me how i could make a menuentry in ubuntu for an application i installed myself
[00:31] <bhsx> poseidon... did you install it with Synaptic?  or through CLI?
[00:32] <poseidon> bhsx, Install which, I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras through CLI
[00:32] <cyclonut> adinc, system > preferences > main menu
[00:32] <jin> pulseaudio is pissing me off
[00:32] <bhsx> i meant the flashplugin-nonfree....
[00:32] <cyclonut> adinc, you'll be able to add a new item, much like you'd define a launcher
[00:32] <jin> it worked on livecd, but nor after install, I mean audio mixing
[00:32] <larson9999> so far this seems to be the most stable beta of ubuntu i've tried
[00:33] <poseidon> bshx, I used the firefox install missing plug-ins
[00:33] <bhsx> larson9999 i wouldn't use it for production... but so far it feels snappy and solid
[00:33] <crimsun> jin: have you reported a bug?
[00:33] <bhsx> poseidon
[00:33] <bhsx> dont do that
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, I had better hardware recognition with gutsy, but hardy is more stable
[00:33] <larson9999> bhsx, yeah.
[00:33] <poseidon> why?
[00:33] <larson9999> cyclonut, with gutsy at the beta stage?
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, aye
[00:33] <crimsun> jin: (otherwise, you need to provide more details regarding what you mean by "audio mixing".  Start by telling us which apps, what audio hardware, etc.)
[00:33] <poseidon> bhsx, why?
[00:33] <cyclonut> larson9999, everything worked out of the box with gutsy
[00:33] <bhsx> i told you how to do it....  the one that firefox tries to grab wont work
[00:34] <larson9999> cyclonut, oh.  same hw detection here.
[00:34] <poseidon> o, well they should fix that.
[00:34] <cyclonut> larson9999, however, in hardy, I get better acpi support (my avg temp has dropped almost 15 degrees!), aaaaand well, thats about it thus far
[00:34] <bhsx> use the flashplugin-nonfree....  you want it to work as a plugin...
[00:34] <Syko> just you..
[00:34] <cyclonut> larson9999, my only issue this time around was with my network card. The ndiswrapper/ssb issue
[00:34] <bhsx> yeah, but Mozilla and Adobe are out of sync on that
[00:35] <jin> crimsun: it seems I can't use vlc and movie player simultaneously .
[00:35] <bhsx> Ubuntu sort of fixes the problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package
[00:35] <poseidon> bshx, I did what cyclonut told me to do sudo-apt get install ubuntu-restricted-extras, but it is stuck at 99%
[00:35] <larson9999> cyclonut, i don't seem to have that problem.
[00:35] <bhsx> so either search for that package in synaptic or use 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:35] <cyclonut> larson9999, humm, you are lucky :)
[00:35] <poseidon> nm Just finished :)
[00:35] <crimsun> jin: set vlc to use the esd output, or build vlc from svn to get pulseaudio support
[00:36] <bhsx> trust me... i'm on a brand-spanking-new install and it works fine
[00:36] <larson9999> cyclonut, i have a bmc43 card.  ndiswrapper works fine with it
[00:36] <bhsx> after you do that... restart FF and hit youtube to make sure it works
[00:36] <bhsx> then thank me :)
[00:36] <bhsx> and the uber ubuntu dev team
[00:37] <jin> crimsun: that fixed the problem :-)
[00:37] <cyclonut> larson9999, I am on bcm4328, ndiswrapper works fine, but ssb is forced to be loaded by the latest kernels. ssb and ndiswrapper do not play nicely together in my case. I had to write a script to unload b43,b44,ssb,ndiswrapper modules at boot, followed by loading ndiswrapper,b44 modules
[00:37] <NET||abuse> Hey guys..
[00:37] <NET||abuse> got some basic stuff not right with my new beta install
[00:37] <poseidon> It's almost done.
[00:37] <mooboo1> NET||abuse, what?
[00:37] <NET||abuse> 1. compiz task switcher, alt+shift+tab doesn't go reverse
[00:38] <bhsx> anyone know about hardware issues, especially wi-fi, with a lenovo t60?
[00:38] <adinc> cyclonut: thank you very much
[00:38] <cyclonut> adinc, glad I could help :)
[00:38] <adinc> ;)
[00:38] <poseidon> bhsx, it didn't work
[00:38] <mooboo1> NET||abuse, it does go reverse for me
[00:38] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, thats gotta be a compiz plugin issue
[00:38] <NET||abuse> 2.. emm, ok, just sorted second issue :) never mind
[00:38] <bhsx> ok, what did you do, and what's not working?
[00:39] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, try installing compiz-config and checking your switcher settings
[00:39] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, ok, i'll try that
[00:39] <poseidon> bhsx, http://pastebin.com/m371ab24
[00:39] <NET||abuse> i stuck in the awn package and just don't see how to change preferences to stop it acting as a stub below windows
[00:40] <NET||abuse> have big empty gap below my active windows
[00:40] <Devolved> my gdm screen is the wrong resolution, and its causing problems when it switches to my desktop's resolution. how do i set it manually?
[00:40] <bhsx> poseidon: i'm not following the paste....   that's all font issues....
[00:40] <bhsx> nothing to do with flashplugin...
[00:40] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, there is an AWN preferences thing. I think its in preferences. I dont remember if  I had to edit a file to get it to work or if I could do it in the preferences
[00:40] <bhsx> paste the commands you used to install it
[00:41] <cyclonut> BHSx - that has to do with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - which includes the flash plugin
[00:41] <bhsx> oh it includes the mfttcorefonts too?
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - yeah
[00:41] <cyclonut> bhsx - it comes with all sorts of good stuff
[00:42] <MethodOne> when I try to install from the 3/24/08 powerpc live and alternate cds on a power mac g4 agp graphics, they hang when I get to 90%, the part where the files get cleaned up
[00:42] <bhsx> poseidon: you're asking me for advice but following someone else's.... (no offense to cyclonut, who knows what he's doing)....
[00:42] <poseidon> Thats what I got at the end of the install
[00:43] <bhsx> but do this....  "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[00:43] <bhsx> and restart firefox
[00:43] <picard_pwns_kirk> opengl is b0rked for me
[00:43] <bhsx> like i've said since you first asked
[00:43] <bhsx> and it WILL work
[00:43] <jin> mhh, Ubuntu still doesn't mount my memory card automatically
[00:43] <poseidon> bhsx, thats what I did.
[00:44] <DG19075> bhsx: What's the sory with the Java not working in the new Firefox?
[00:44] <cyclonut> poseidon, did you try firefox?
[00:44] <poseidon> bhsx, thats what the error is from
[00:44] <picard_pwns_kirk> my games render like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16699629@N08/2299007958/
[00:44] <bhsx> uninstall the "ubuntu-restricted-extras" for now
[00:44] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, i had the preference in the old awn from gutsy
[00:44] <bhsx> and start again
[00:44] <bhsx> DG19075: i have no idea, sorry
[00:44] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, but i dont' see any setting in the current awn
[00:45] <DG19075> Hopefully that'll get worked out
[00:45] <poseidon> bhsx, yes.  It still asks me if I want to install the missing plugins, and no video shows
[00:45] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, im sorry, I dont use AWN these days, I cant help you.  However, if  you check the AWN forums, I'm sure you will find something
[00:45] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, stupid me... nvm,,
[00:45] <bhsx> you're on a brand new hardy install poseidon?
[00:45] <MethodOne> DG19075, the problem is with java.   install the package icedtea-java7-plugin
[00:45] <NET||abuse> cyclonut, i was missreading the switch names
[00:45] <cyclonut> NET||abuse, join #awn
[00:45] <DG19075> Installed all the Java and GCJ plugins Firefox suggests and the new FF still won't recognize Java
[00:46] <cyclonut> anywho, brb for some dinner.
[00:46] <poseidon> bhsx, yes
[00:46] <bhsx> and what have you done now?  have you done a dist-upgrade?
[00:46] <poseidon> I've only installed compiz manager, xchat, and the updates
[00:46] <bhsx> k
[00:47] <poseidon> bhsx, I used wubi from the install cd
[00:47] <bhsx> oh, hmm
[00:47] <bhsx> i doubt that would be the issue
[00:47] <bhsx> but i've not tried that on any boxes yet
[00:47] <bhsx> you've uninstalled extras?
[00:48] <poseidon> bhsx, what do you mean by xtras, firefox add-ons?
[00:48] <bhsx> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:48] <bhsx> for now
[00:48] <poseidon> bhsx, yes
[00:48] <poseidon> O, remove, OK
[00:48] <bhsx> yeah, do that with flashplugin-nonfree as well
[00:49] <bhsx> and we'll start over
[00:49] <bhsx> brb wifey callin
[00:50] <DG19075> The icedtea-java-plugin doesn't show in synaptic or via CLI
[00:50] <poseidon> bhsx, k I have un-installed everything.
[00:52] <bhsx>  'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:52] <tgrundle> DG19075: i had to remove all java related packages, then install icedtea-gcjwebplugin. finally i had to run 'sudo update-alternatives --auto java' to correct broken links
[00:52] <bhsx> sorry, had to go install a TV :)
[00:53] <poseidon> lol
[00:53] <bhsx> you're welcome
[00:53] <bhsx>  :)
[00:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> I'm having troubles with opengl: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16699629@N08/2299007958/
[00:53] <poseidon> So I uninstalled everything, should I try sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree again?
[00:54] <bhsx>  'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[00:54] <bhsx> ^^^
[00:54] <bhsx> restart FF, go to youtube, yada yada
[00:55] <poseidon> bhsx, no luck
[00:55] <poseidon> I didn't get any errors that I can see that time though
[00:56] <bhsx> oh snap...  i can't imagine what the issue would be... youtube works fine over here with a fresh install/update and those instructions
[00:56] <bhsx> you went to youtube and what?  it just doesn't show anything?
[00:56] <DanaG> Argh, WoW under Wine won't connect.
[00:56] <bhsx> have you tried any other flash sites?
[00:56] <poseidon> Yea, no video
[00:56] <bhsx> cuz youtube and all others are working fine here..
[00:56] <bhsx> damn
[00:56] <bhsx> you have 64-bit?
[00:57] <bhsx> guess i shoulda asked that a long time ago...
[00:57] <poseidon> bhsx, 32 bit, and metacafe doesn't work as well
[00:57] <bhsx> dang
[00:57] <bhsx> is it giving you the missing plugin error in FF?
[00:58] <poseidon> bhsx, FF was on when I installed the plug-in, do you think that could have cuased any problems?
[00:58] <bhsx> shouldn't, no
[00:58] <poseidon> yes
[00:58] <bhsx> can you go into your plugins directory?
[00:59] <DG19075> tgrundle: Thanks! It works!
[00:59] <bhsx>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[00:59] <DG19075> :-D
[00:59] <poseidon> bhsx, it doesn't show any flash plugins
[01:00] <bhsx> what's there?
[01:00] <tgrundle> DG19075: great! i have found some applets that don't work, but for the most part you should be good
[01:01] <DG19075> Got one site I go to, run by NIST= the folks who bring you WWV, the time station. I use it o sync the puter clock
[01:01] <poseidon> vlc media player, windows media player, quicktime, defualt, and some others
[01:01] <bhsx> tgrundle: heh, i actually hadn't installed JRE yet, but thanks... yeah, that seems to work great
[01:02] <bhsx> so poseidon, if you haven't installed anything else yet... uh, WHY is WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[01:02] <DanaG> Anybody here use WoW under Wine?  Logging in just hangs on connecting to the server.
[01:03] <poseidon> idk
[01:04] <poseidon> bhsx, I didn't install those.
[01:04] <bhsx> ok, well, i cant help you if you dont know what you've done to your machine so far...  sorry
[01:05] <poseidon> bhsx, thanks for your time
[01:05] <bhsx> np, good luck
[01:05] <poseidon> I'll probably end up re-installing linux :)
[01:07] <HardyOne> it is official I do not like kde
[01:09] <DanaG> Is there a magic sysrq trigger to go to single-user mode/
[01:11] <bhsx> hey, i asked this earlier, but i'm still having some problems... i have gxine, libdvdnav4 and libdvdread3 installed.... but i still cant seem to get encrypted dvds to play in xine or vlc...
[01:11] <bhsx> any suggestions?
[01:12] <MethodOne> bhsx, you need libdvdcss2. get it from medibuntu.
[01:14] <bhsx> why is it in medibuntu?   =)
[01:14] <bhsx> but thanks, i'll give that a shot
[01:14] <MethodOne> it's there for legal reasons
[01:14] <HardyOne> bug 200238
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200238 in hardening-wrapper "Hardy's hardening-wrapper incorrectly creates symlinks for gcc-4.3 and g++-4.3" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200238
[01:14] <HardyOne> bug 200338
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[01:17] <SpudDogg> has anyone heard anything about a fix for hardy breaking wireless?  ipw3945
[01:18] <mesilliac> SpudDogg: there was a fix for broken wireless in my updates today
[01:19] <SpudDogg> mesilliac:  i just upgraded to hardy via update-manger -d and the wireless card is not even recognized as a wireless card....
[01:19] <mesilliac> network-manager -> 0.6.6-0ubuntu3
[01:19] <mesilliac> I don't use wireless, but I saw it in the changelog :/
[01:20] <MethodOne> download the packages hal and libhal from packages.ubuntu.com and manually install them
[01:20] <SpudDogg> MethodOne:  will do
[01:24] <bhsx> MethodOne: do you think it'd be possible to do with w32codecs and basically the whole medibuntu repository in the same fashion as they've done with mp3 codec?  that's a slick new addition to ubuntu to be sure...
[01:24] <MethodOne> ya
[01:24] <bhsx> went to play mp3, it told me i couldn't and asked if i wanted to download and install the potentially restricted mp3 codec
[01:25] <bhsx> it was slick, and shoulda been done LONG ago on all distributions
[01:26] <bhsx> i think it's perfectly legit that way... you're not distributing the binaries with ubuntu, but making sure they're readily and easily available
[01:26] <bhsx> i think it's a no-brainer
[01:27] <bhsx> i hope Mark S. has his gaggle of lawyers working hard on that problem... because it's a big issue with mainstream adoption
[01:27] <HardyOne> I did not rob the bank your honor I just left the vault open
[01:27] <MethodOne> w32codecs is not in the official repository because they are taken from windows programs having licenses that prohibit redistribution
[01:27] <bhsx> right
[01:28] <bhsx> but "we'd" just be linking to them
[01:28] <bhsx> not distributing them...
[01:28] <MethodOne> ok
[01:28] <bhsx> well, not any more than we are now anyway
[01:28] <bhsx> and i'm obv using "we" on a grand scale
[01:28] <bhsx> i'm NOT a dev
[01:29] <bhsx> and have no affiliation
[01:29] <bhsx> lol package hot-babe has graphic content
[01:29] <MethodOne> yes
[01:29] <bhsx> funny, i gotta check that one out
[01:33] <bhsx> thanks MethodOne, encrypted is working now
[01:33] <bhsx> forgot about libdvdcss
[01:33] <Adys> Ok so lets assume my regular wireless on a laptop doesnt work, my ethernet port doesnt work, and that on neither gutsy nor hh, can I safely assume my network card is dead? :/
[01:34] <bhsx> i haven't done a non-upgrade install for over a year
[01:34] <bhsx> Adys: can you boot into a livecd.. non-ubuntu?
[01:35] <bhsx> even, bart/win32?
[01:35] <MethodOne> looks like the hardy daily snapshot installed successfully on my mac
[01:35] <Capsid> I was wondering if anyone has heard of problems with the integrated Intel wireless card? Under Windows vista the card runs fine at 5mb a sec but under
[01:35] <Adys> bhsx:  er, havent tried
[01:36] <bhsx> see if you can.... it's a laptop... so i hope it hasn't failed on you, as that's a pain in the arse
[01:36] <bhsx> better to exhaust all other possibilities first
[01:37] <bhsx> bbiab, wifey calls
[01:37] <Capsid> I was wondering if anyone has heard of problems with the integrated Intel wireless card? Under Windows vista the card runs fine at 5mb a sec but under Ubuntu 7.10 the card would routinely drop and run a 512k a sec. I'm no running Ubuntu 8.10 and the card no longer drops but stills runs at slower speeds. Any Ideas?
[01:39] <Capsid> I was thinking about disabling the generic driver, then loading ndiswrapper to run a Windows XP driver.....but how would you go about doing something like that?
[01:44] <mooboo1> idk
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, you would use rmmod <modulename> to remove the current driver
[01:44] <mooboo1> i have wired Ethernet, its much better than Wi-Fi
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, followed by modprobe ndiswrapper to get that going
[01:44] <cyclonut> Capsid, the intel wireless card has been the subject of a lot of issues today
[01:46] <Capsid> cyclonut: awesome thank you very much. I'm wondering why they are having so many problems with it? Ralink wrote the the driver for Windows XP and vista...they also have a version for Linux but I think that the built in one that I'm already using.
[01:47] <HardyOne> she wasnt so hot
[01:48] <cyclonut> Capsid, I have no idea...  lately, the kernel has been causing a lot of wifi trouble
[01:48] <cyclonut> I think its a speedbump, I dont believe it will go away for Hardy.
[01:48] <ethana2> cyclonut: we have kernel freeze for a reason
[01:48] <ethana2> cyclonut: more likely than not, it will
[01:49] <jaebird> b43 wifi driver is slow too
[01:50] <jaebird> especially with my BCM4306(03)...getting 1Mbit
[01:50] <jaebird> at least the latest NetworkManager fixed the hanging issue i was having
[01:50] <Capsid> Cyclonut: thats interesting....wish I knew more about the Linux Kernel
[01:51] <cyclonut> ethna2 - true, I lost a little bit of faith with Gutsy, and some issues that remained
[01:51] <cyclonut> ethana2, buuuuut I keep my fingers crossed
[01:51] <cyclonut> Capsid, me too.
[01:55] <mooboo1> 8.04 looks promising
[01:55] <mooboo1> doesnt it? ;)
[01:55] <mooboo1> im using it as my primary os on my production machine and its lovely
[01:55] <mooboo1> they really need to fix mouse button 4 and 5 in xorg though :p
[02:00] <tanner> how can i install a 32bit package on a 64bit system?
[02:00] <bhsx> how do i control compiz?  seems like the manager's not installed?  that's a lil odd
[02:01] <JohnPhys> bhsx:  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings manager
[02:01] <bhsx> yeah i just googled it, but it's odd to install compiz without a way to configure it...
[02:02] <JohnPhys> bhsx:  agreed
[02:02] <bhsx> i know it's a little late to the party, but that should definately be included if you're gonna include compiz
[02:02] <tanner> bhsx: makes it harder for people to screw things up, and thus less support effort
[02:02] <tanner> just a thought
[02:02] <bhsx> i suppose
[02:03] <bhsx> i'd think it would cause more with ppl asking how to fix it :)
[02:03] <bhsx> but i digress
[02:03] <burner> i think there's work on a "simple ccsm"
[02:03] <JohnPhys> I'm quite glad hardy seems to not enable "wobbly windows" by default
[02:04] <JohnPhys> that one always drove me insane
[02:04] <bhsx> totally
[02:04] <tanner> i think its part of the "advanced" or more effects setting
[02:06] <poseidon> bhsx, can I re-install firefox?
[02:06] <leo_rockw> i was wondering... does kubuntu hardy include compiz by default now?
[02:06] <leo_rockw> (i mean, for kde 3.5.9)
[02:07] <bhsx> looking at the packages i'd guess yes
[02:07] <bhsx> there's compiz kicker replacements and stuff
[02:08] <bhsx> and compiz-kde
[02:08] <poseidon> bhsx, was that a yes to me or leo_rockw?
[02:08] <bhsx> to leo_rockw
[02:08] <bhsx> i would think you can sure
[02:09] <leo_rockw> i think it's kinda pointless to include compiz now that kwin for kde4 has all these composite effects...
[02:09] <poseidon> k, I'll try that
[02:09]  * leo_rockw shrugs
[02:10] <bhsx> poseidon: did you by chance use the "check disk" option to very your disk integrity?
[02:11] <Sodamodo> Hows the speed of Heron in general working out for everyone?
[02:11] <bhsx> very snappy
[02:11] <poseidon> bhsx, where is the "check disk" option?
[02:12] <bhsx> on the install disk... i know it's an option when you boot into it.. i'd hope it's an option through the wobi or whatever install
[02:12] <poseidon> No i didn't check that
[02:13] <bhsx> you could probably do it now, but i think you have other issues from installing and playing with crossover office maybe?
[02:13] <bhsx> cause you have some funky things in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:14] <poseidon> bhsx, what plug-ins do you have?
[02:14] <poseidon> bhsx, sorry I only have flash-plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:15] <poseidon> I thought you were talking about under tools->downloads->plugins
[02:15] <bhsx> ah
[02:16] <poseidon> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins I only have flashplugin-alternative.so
[02:16] <bhsx> ok
[02:16] <bhsx> well, try to uninstall/re firefox
[02:17] <bhsx> like i said.. i really dont know how to help you other than what i've already said
[02:17] <bhsx> sorry man
[02:17] <Sodamodo> this whole OS is being a bit slow for me
[02:18] <poseidon> bhsx, I uninstalled firefox via sudo apt-get remove, then re-installed it.  But it still had all the add-ons, custimzations etc.
[02:18] <bhsx> Sodamodo: you have a ext3 install
[02:18] <bhsx> ?
[02:18] <bhsx> delete your home ff folders poseidon
[02:19] <poseidon> k, thanks
[02:19] <bhsx> np
[02:19] <bhsx> brb
[02:22] <ethana2> does alien have a gui?
[02:22] <ethana2> all these companies ship their stuff as .rpm
[02:22] <Sodamodo> hmm
[02:22] <Sodamodo> I do have ext3
[02:22] <Sodamodo> I wonder what that means
[02:23] <Linuturk> so, help with audio regression anyone?
[02:23] <Linuturk> bug has been submitted
[02:24] <Linuturk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/205588
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205588 in linux "VT82C686 Audio Broken: Gutsy to Hardy Beta upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[02:27] <Arenlor> I tried Alpha1 but haven't come back because in that alpha my graphics drivers (FGLRX) had a watermark, does this still occur?
[02:28] <Linuturk> I've got an nvidia chipset, so I couldn't tell you Arenlor
[02:29] <Arenlor> That's the only thing holding me back from trying the beta
[02:29] <Linuturk> try the live cd. Doesn't it show up there?
[02:30] <Arenlor> I haven't tried the live CD yet, didn't think of that, will try it
[02:32] <Random> how do you un-privatize a bug that was filed?
[02:33] <Linuturk> Random: there should be an option there when you submit it
[02:33] <Random> yes, i mean after the fact though
[02:33] <Linuturk> no idea . . .
[02:34] <Linuturk> I did all mine when I submitted them :-/
[02:34] <Random> since, i added a trivial patch  (changed a line or two) to the bug, and nobody has touched it yet...
[02:35] <mooboo1> someone have firefox here? can you open firefox, press Ctrl+F, and move your mouse on the [x] button in lower-left corner?
[02:35] <Linuturk> well, there has to be a way to do it
[02:35] <mooboo1> does it break the graphics?
[02:35] <Linuturk> mooboo1: not for me
[02:36] <JohnPhys> mooboo1:  it does not break anything for me
[02:37] <mooboo1> oh
[02:37] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm getting a soft-lockup error and I want to report the bug (dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/956208) but I can't interpret that dmesg output well enough to know where to report the bug.
[02:37] <mooboo1> i have ff3b4
[02:37] <Linuturk> so do I mooboo1
[02:37] <mooboo1> oh
[02:37] <poseidon> Is there a good object dock for ubuntu? Like the one in Mac?
[02:37] <mooboo1> poseidon, yeseldideldoo
[02:37] <Linuturk> Lunar_Lamp: I say submit it and let the catorgize it. That's all I could do. Someone came by and catorgized it for me
[02:38] <Linuturk> poseidon: AWN
[02:38] <poseidon> thanks
[02:38]  * Linuturk invokes the god of sound troubleshooting, crimsun ;p
[02:39] <charles__> does pulseaudio log errors anywhere?
[02:39] <JohnPhys> anyone apply the hal update from earlier today yet?  they break anything?
[02:39] <Linuturk> JohnPhys: I'm up to date, and nothing new is broken'
[02:39] <nomasteryoda> so far not yet here
[02:40] <nomasteryoda> but have not restarted either
[02:40] <Linuturk> lol, neither have I, actually nomasteryoda JohnPhys
[02:41] <poseidon> Linuturk, I can't find awn, can I get a link please?  Apperently awn is a popular tla :)
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> but could restart hal from init.d
[02:41] <JohnPhys> it's fine, I'll just install them
[02:41] <Linuturk> http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ poseidon
[02:41] <JohnPhys> I usually like to read the "changes" part of the update before applying it, but that hasn't been uploaded yet
[02:42] <poseidon> Thanks
[02:43] <Sodamodo> Does anyone know whats up with ext3 and Heron?
[02:43] <Sonicadvance1> quick question, ever since I got Hardy, the bootsplash hasn't work, anyone have a fix, or know information about it?
[02:44] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance:  can you define "hasn't work"?
[02:44] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, Just a black screen when booting. Monitor is blinking to show It isn't recieving anything
[02:45] <JohnPhys> aha
[02:45] <JohnPhys> sorry, no ideas then
[02:45] <Sonicadvance1> k np
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> check cable?
[02:45] <Sonicadvance1> nomasteryoda, Still get picture when it gets to GDM and during POST ;)
[02:46] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:46] <Sonicadvance1> although, this might be useful, in the xorg log, it says
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> try hitting esc then e and backspace the quiet and splash away... then press b to boot
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> might show something then
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> "Ckuebt 4 rehected frin kicak gist (uid 0)"
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> oh, fingers in wrong place
[02:47] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1: are the res. settings in your /etc/usplash.conf correct?
[02:47] <bod_> hey guys, is this normal (b4 hardy upgrade) grub = Gutsy (kernal no.), Gutsy recovery, memtest - Other os. (after hrady upgrade) hardy (kernal no.) hardy recovery, memtest, hardy (different kernal no.) , hardy recovery, memtest - Other os .        ??
[02:47] <Sonicadvance1> "Client 4 rejected from local host (uid 0)"
[02:48] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, says, 640 and 480, which my monitor supports
[02:48] <JohnPhys> bod_:  sounds like it, but what is your specific concern?
[02:48] <bod_> JohnPhys, 2 different kernals??
[02:49] <bod_> is one on the gutsy kernal and one on the new hardy kernal?
[02:49] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1: maybe try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Fix_Slow_boot.2Ffaulty_splash_screen
[02:50] <JohnPhys> bod_:  nothing wrong with that, 2 kernels probably got installed, use the newer one
[02:51] <bod_> kk ty,.,. just checking,.,. cheers
[02:52] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, I'll try it
[02:53] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  it helped me to correct the res on the usplash screen, though I actually saw a screen to start with, so I don't know if it will help.  Can't hurt though
[02:53] <Sodamodo> Is there any reason Haron would be going slowly, on a fast system?
[02:53] <JohnPhys> anyone in here notice ugly fonts in gnome-terminal and Qt (kde) apps?
[02:53] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, any reso code for 1680x1050? :P
[02:53] <JohnPhys> Sodamodo:  not to my knowledge, unless you have tracker going nuts
[02:53] <bod_> just downloaded 204 updates and just as the install started i got this error. -- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60937/ -- any thoughts?
[02:54] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  not to my knowledge :P
[02:54] <edsiper> is there any known problem regarded with the openoffice packages ?
[02:54] <JohnPhys> bod_:  I got that yesterday (day before?) just run the updates again, you should be fine
[02:55] <bod_> ok willl try,.,. thanks
[02:56] <bod_> ok, it said i have 6 broken packages on my machine, and i should use the Broken filter to find them,.,. is synaptics 'Repair broken packages' button thing the right way to fix that JohnPhys ??
[02:57] <JohnPhys> bod_:  that should work, but you can also do apt-get install --fix-missing I believe
[02:57] <bod_> ok cheers
[02:58] <JohnPhys> anyone in here notice awful fonts in gnome-terminal and qt (kde) apps?
[02:58] <ctimko> hello
[02:59] <cyclonut> bod_, interesting you say that, hardy is the first time I've gotten broken packages in linux
[02:59] <cyclonut> its happened twice in the last three days
[02:59] <bod_> cyclonut, ive only ever used windows and ubuntu,. broken things in both, but fixable things live in ubuntu ;
[02:59] <ctimko> Ok how do I revert back to 7.10...if possible
[02:59] <bod_> ;~_
[02:59] <ctimko> without really losing anything
[02:59] <bod_> ;~)
[02:59] <cyclonut> bod_, indeed
[03:00] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, didn't work, may be because of xorg rejecting it
[03:00] <ctimko> The Beta is running really slow for me, and it is a pain in the arse
[03:00] <ctimko> My XGL doesn't work, the ATI drivers aren't compatible
[03:01] <JohnPhys> ??
[03:01] <ctimko> i meant my ATI drivers
[03:02] <ctimko> My ATI card accelerator drivers crash constantly
[03:04] <ctimko> So, where do i look to find out how to revert to 7.10 without re-installing from scratch
[03:04] <JohnPhys> ctimko:  Unfortunately, I don't know that you can
[03:05] <cyclonut> ctimko, I dont think you'll have much luck with that
[03:08] <snerfu> Anyone else notice an error on soundconverter when it tries to read an mp3 tag?  I was going to file a bug, just making sure I wasn't doing something wrong.
[03:08] <ctimko> JohnPhys: I have disabled my graphics driver, hopefully that will speed this up until the actual release
[03:09] <ctimko> Hopefully the conversion from Beta to the release will be pleasant
[03:10] <ctimko> And do I just keep going to "Upgrade" in apt-get to get the latest in the code?
[03:10] <ctimko> i will be back in a few mins
[03:10] <dredhammer> hello can someone tell me if the lack of XVMC support for hardy is deliberate or not?
[03:11] <RAOF> dredhammer: In what.  Also, XvMC isn't really particularly useful, generally.
[03:11] <dredhammer> well for video playback
[03:11] <dredhammer> i just discovered it was missing
[03:11] <RAOF> Again, in what?
[03:11] <dredhammer> i was just wondering if it was deliberate and will be in the final version
[03:11] <RAOF> It's playback-program dependent.
[03:12] <dredhammer> or a bug somewhere
[03:12] <charles__> does pulseaudio log errors somewhere other than /var/log/messages?
[03:12] <dredhammer> mplayer
[03:12] <DanaG> wtf? brightness hotkeys stop working, completely randomly.
[03:12] <RAOF> DanaG: You'd like a plausibly fixed Xorg, right?  You're running i386?
[03:12] <leo_rockw> woah, i have osd for brightness now, kewl
[03:13] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I downloaded the one linked in the bug report; now I'll try the repo'd one.
[03:15] <ctimko> Hello?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> ctimko: hey
[03:15] <ctimko> Can I report an error?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what's your video card?
[03:16] <ctimko> ATI x1300 Express Mobile
[03:16] <ctimko> 128 MB
[03:16] <ctimko> Radeon
[03:16] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what's the problem? (i have x1400)
[03:16] <ctimko> Well, with the "Restricted" Drivers installed in 7.10, this was lightning fast
[03:16] <ctimko> now it crashes
[03:17] <ctimko> and I think that the main problem lies with a bug in Gnome-Settings-Daemon
[03:17] <leo_rockw> ctimko: with restricted drivers everything was fine on 7.10, now i can't close my laptop. i'm on kde
[03:17] <cyclonut> has anyone gotten dual monitors (via xrandr) with exa rendering? I can only seem to get it to work with xaa
[03:17] <ctimko> (Ubuntu told me so)
[03:17] <ctimko> I see
[03:17] <ctimko> ok
[03:17] <ctimko> Is there a way to repair and install
[03:18] <ctimko> or just need to remove
[03:18] <ctimko> then reinstall?
[03:18] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i'm using the vesa drivers for now
[03:18] <marco> are there plans to include anti-aliasing support in the emacs-snapshot packages
[03:18] <ctimko> I reverted back to the Generic Drivers
[03:18] <ctimko> I am ok now
[03:18] <ctimko> just no 3D...
[03:18] <ctimko> I had XGL running
[03:19] <Sonicadvance1> JohnPhys, Found out the error, looked in to the user privaledges and root had NO access to ANYTHING :D
[03:19] <leo_rockw> ctimko: yup, no 3d, same here
[03:19] <yoandy> hi, is there any guide on installing icedtea-java firefox plugin on hardy?
[03:19] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i can't even use non-restricted drivers besides vesa
[03:19] <ctimko> I see
[03:20] <ctimko> My wireless card currently doesn't work
[03:20] <ctimko> which is a bummer
[03:20] <JohnPhys> Sonicadvance1:  that's quite the error, nice job hunting it down though
[03:20] <ctimko> ndiswrapper is still on Hardy right?
[03:20] <leo_rockw> ctimko: what card is it?
[03:20] <ctimko> Broadcomm BCM43xx (rev 02)
[03:20] <ctimko> Can't use the fw-cutter for bcm
[03:21] <JohnPhys> crazy Broadcomm chipsets
[03:21] <leo_rockw> ctimko: there's a way to solve it. bcm43xx is deprecated
[03:21] <leo_rockw> ctimko: they are using b43 now
[03:21] <ctimko> i see...
[03:21] <ctimko> ok, so how do i get that working?
[03:21] <leo_rockw> leo_rockw: go to leorockway.wordpress.com i explain how to fix this there
[03:21] <ctimko> i see that it says the b43.fw is missing
[03:21]  * leo_rockw is talking to himself now :-P
[03:21] <cyclonut> ctimko, I used ndiswrapper
[03:22] <cyclonut> ctimko, b43 didnt work for me at all
[03:22] <leo_rockw> everytime people use ndiswrapper stallman cries :-P
[03:22] <cyclonut> leo_rockw, he sheds a lot of tears.
[03:22] <yoandy> oh i also have that problem with my b4311, im using b43, installed firmware, i can see wifi with nm but can connect to any one
[03:22] <leo_rockw> cyclonut: unfortunately
[03:22] <ctimko> Does the B43 take better care of WPA now/
[03:22] <leo_rockw> i blogged the steps i took into fixing my problem, it may help you
[03:23] <ctimko> It was a pain with the bcm43xx drivers
[03:23] <leo_rockw> i use wep
[03:23] <cyclonut> ctimko, I had to use ndiswrapper, installed as normal. Then, I wrote a script that, at boot, removes the b43, b44, ssb, and ndiswrapper modules. It then re-adds the ndiswrapper and b44 modules. it works a treat.
[03:23] <yoandy> leo_rockw: let's see
[03:23] <leo_rockw> yoandy: the url is up there ^
[03:24] <ctimko> Ok, i just did this
[03:24] <ctimko> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[03:24] <ctimko> is there anything else i should do
[03:25] <ctimko> besides restart?
[03:25] <ctimko> ok, brb, gonna restart
[03:25] <leo_rockw> ctimko: you have to do smth else... check my post
[03:25] <ctimko> ok
[03:26] <ctimko> and then i have a question on tomcat after I get the wireless working
[03:26] <yoandy> leo_rockw: my situation is some diff from yours ..
[03:26] <cyclonut> tomcat! as in the apache module? been a long time since I heard about that
[03:26] <leo_rockw> yoandy: what's the diff?
[03:26] <cyclonut> first web server I ever put together, back 10 years ago now ran tomcat to interpret java, if I remember correctly
[03:28] <yoandy> leo_rockw: i hav b4311 rev02, i have no problems with device names,
[03:28] <leo_rockw> yoandy: the problem with device names happens after you get b43 running
[03:28] <yoandy> leo_rockw: i have b43 already  running, using nm-applet i can see some wifis
[03:29] <ctimko> leo_rockw: Question about our 5th line in the first part of your code
[03:29] <ctimko> ..(not code..syntax)
[03:29] <naught101> anyone else having problems auto-mounting usb sotrage devices?
[03:29] <naught101> I just hibernated, and now my external hdd won't show
[03:29] <leo_rockw> ctimko: this one? ../../b43-fwcutter-011/b43-fwcutter -w
[03:29] <ctimko> yea
[03:30] <leo_rockw> what about it?
[03:30] <ctimko> what is that supposed to do?
[03:30] <ctimko> i am confused a little
[03:30] <ctimko> i can see wifi now though...
[03:30] <ctimko> one sec...gonna test something
[03:30] <leo_rockw> i got the solution from here http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[03:30] <ctimko> ok, well that didn't work
[03:30] <ctimko> my thought didn't
[03:31] <ctimko> lol
[03:31] <naught101> ctimko: try running "sudo /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh"
[03:31] <ctimko> ok, will do thanks
[03:31] <leo_rockw> ctimko: this is all one line: ../../b43-fwcutter-011/b43-fwcutter -w "$FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR" wl_apsta.o
[03:32] <leo_rockw> wordpress changed the lines
[03:32] <ctimko> i already installed the fw-cutter though..i am past that
[03:32] <ctimko> :- P
[03:32] <naught101> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/182716
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182716 in linux "bcm4306, bcm4309, bcm4311, bcm4312 don't work with b43 / ssb" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:33] <yoandy> leo_rockw: when i try to connect to an AP, my logs says: association took too long, failing activation
[03:33] <yoandy> well, it says a lot more, but the line that sounds evil is that one.
[03:33] <ctimko> what directory should i be in when I run that?
[03:33] <ctimko> because i am in my home directory
[03:34] <leo_rockw> ctimko: i followed each step exactly as it appears in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[03:34] <ctimko> ok
[03:34] <ctimko> oh, ok, you built from the source
[03:34] <ctimko> gotcha
[03:36] <marco> are there plans to include anti-aliasing support in the emacs-snapshot package in hardy?
[03:36] <marco> well, actually, xft support
[03:36] <marco> which consequentially allows anti-aliasing
[03:38] <RAOF> Too fast, marco.  It's already done.
[03:39] <nikrud> ah, finally
[03:40] <yoandy> leo_rockw: at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old says: bcm4311 rev 2 / bcm4312 (needs patches for 2.6.24)
[03:40] <ctimko> does apt-get have an uninstall option?
[03:41] <yoandy> leo_rockw: are those patches already included in hardy's kernel ?
[03:41] <tritium> ctimko: yes, apt-get remove
[03:41] <leo_rockw> ctimko: apt-get remove
[03:41] <ctimko> thoght so
[03:41] <ctimko> thanks
[03:41] <leo_rockw> yoandy: i don't really know
[03:44] <ctimko> what was your wordpress again leo?
[03:44] <leo_rockw> ctimko: leorockway.wordpress.com
[03:44] <ctimko> thanks
[03:44] <leo_rockw> np
[03:48] <DanaG> Argh, brightness control randomly broke!
[03:49] <fismoll9> hey guys, I get this error whenever I try to play audio: W: couldn't connect to HAL, disabling MediaDevices browser followed by *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused. The audio will play, however. What is HAL, and what does the above error mean? I use ubuntu gutsy
[03:51] <leo_rockw> key repetition stops working, booo
[03:51] <mluser> any other madwifi users having problems with hardy when resuming after a suspend?
[03:52] <ctimko> they still didn't fix the WPA issues
[03:53] <mluser> ctimko: I dont think this is a wpa issue.. if I reload ath_pci then network-manager connects just fine.
[03:53] <ctimko> i have to force the connection right away
[03:53] <ctimko> right now it seems fine
[03:53] <ctimko> I have no luck with WPA
[03:53] <snerfu> That apport crash reporter thing is pretty nifty.
[03:54] <ctimko> now WPA2 is a different story
[03:54] <ctimko> Yea, windows has that
[03:54] <ctimko> lol
[03:54]  * ctimko wants to ask another question
[03:55] <ctimko> Ok, so here is my second problem
[03:55] <ctimko> Tomcat
[03:55] <DanaG> Argh, when I switch from AC to battery, my brightness control breaks.
[03:55] <ctimko> use the hotkeys
[03:55] <ctimko> i mean
[03:55] <ctimko> function keys
[03:55] <ctimko> you can still control it
[03:56] <mluser> Also does anyone know if /etc/default/acpi-support is still being used in hardy for suspend/resume?
[03:56] <DanaG> I can't, actually.
[03:56] <ctimko> wow
[03:57] <ctimko> that stinks
[03:57] <DanaG> Brightness hotkeys do nothing once I switch to ACPI.
[03:57] <fismoll9> if you install the hardy heron beta, will it be easy to upgrade to hardy heron from it?
[03:57] <DanaG> In fact, catting the /dev/input device that corresponds to it gives absolutely nothing.
[03:57] <fismoll9> I don't want it to screw up my computer
[03:57] <ctimko> wow
[03:57] <DanaG> acpid isn't getting lid events, either.
[03:58] <ctimko> wow...hmm
[03:58] <JohnPhys> fismoll9:  if you install the beta, you can just keep upgrading through the final release, but if you're worried about screwing up your computer, you should not install the beta
[03:58] <ctimko> i know in gutsy i could not Suspend or Hibernate
[03:58] <eternal_p> JohnPhys: where is the fun in that
[03:58] <JohnPhys> fismoll9:  as the download site notes, it's not for use on production machines
[03:59] <mluser> In Gutsy I could not suspend/resume if I had the ATI fglrx stuff loaded.. without it.. I had no problems resuming.
[03:59] <leo_rockw> anybody has key repetition broken in kubuntu?
[03:59] <mluser> In Hardy fglrx works fine when suspending and resuming, now my only problem is the madwifi stuff
[03:59] <ctimko> i see
[04:00] <leo_rockw> yeah, suspend/resume was working w/ fgrlx
[04:00] <mluser> anybody else using the madwifi drivers?
[04:00] <DanaG> Oh heck, even echoing '0' into no_automatic_changes doesn't work.  Perhaps it's a BIOS bug.
[04:00] <ctimko> ok, what is the point of "tracker"?
[04:00] <leo_rockw> ctimko: faster searches
[04:00] <ctimko> gotcha, just got that
[04:01] <leo_rockw> now, what's the difference between tracker and locate?
[04:01] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  I thought that was teh point of organizing your files in a manner that made sense? :)
[04:01] <leo_rockw> or strigi
[04:02] <leo_rockw> i always used locate, i never used tracker or strigi
[04:02] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  I think locate just caches files, tracker can look in files and cache their contents and metadata I think
[04:02] <ctimko> i don't need to search
[04:02] <ctimko> i know where it is all at
[04:02] <ctimko> hehe
[04:02] <leo_rockw> JohnPhys: ooo, ok, thank you
[04:02] <DanaG> Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[04:02] <DanaG> that was od. odod
[04:02] <DanaG> argh, now I'mg etginggng spammed with my brightness actions from 15 minutes ago.
[04:03] <JohnPhys> leo_rockw:  having never actually *used* tracker, I may be wrong, but it seems plausible
[04:03] <ethana2> hmm..
[04:03] <DanaG> That was REALLY bizarre.
[04:03] <ethana2> is it possible to tell what software a web server is using?
[04:03] <leo_rockw> JohnPhys: no, i recall hearing that before, so you're probably right
[04:03] <ethana2> ..without having to freak it out?
[04:03] <leo_rockw> hey ethana2
[04:03] <ethana2> oh hey Leo
[04:04] <ctimko> ok, how do I kill the tomcat5.5 server?
[04:04] <robc4> is the medibuntu repo up yet?
[04:05] <leo_rockw> robc4: i heard it is
[04:08] <ctimko> Ok, So how do I use tomcat?
[04:08] <ctimko> anyone, any ideaS?
[04:08] <pestilence> is there a way to disable showing of icons on the desktop?
[04:09] <leo_rockw> pestilence: which desktop?
[04:09] <pestilence> gnome
[04:09] <pestilence> is that what you mean?
[04:10] <pestilence> kde has an option to disable showing icons on the desktop.  i don't see anything similar in gnome
[04:11] <leo_rockw> pestilence: yeah, i know how to do it in kde, that's why i asked. i never used gnome
[04:11] <pestilence> me either, until now :-/
[04:11] <pestilence> hardy is working quite well, though.  except for that minor annoyance
[04:12] <pestilence> i suppose i may just rename my Desktop folder to get rid of all the stuff  :)
[04:12] <ctimko> Java and Tomcat...anyone have any idea who I should talk to
[04:13] <ctimko> Eclipse is telling me that the JRE isn't specified, how do I do that?
[04:13] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  which icons?
[04:13] <leo_rockw> pestilence: kubuntu hardy can give you the best of both worlds :-P
[04:13] <pestilence> leo_rockw: well, i thought i'd give ubuntu a shot, since i'm not exactly in love with kubuntu
[04:14] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  what icons do you not want on the desktop?
[04:15] <ubuntu> im having a problem with my keyboard settings -.-, things are not what they should be like my question mark É for instance...., i checked in the `keyboard`settings and its sent to canadian as default and Logitech COrdless Desktop as the keyboard..... but im still having this problem .....
[04:15] <pestilence> JohnPhys: you know when you have files and folders in your ~/Desktop folder, the icons show on your gnome desktop?
[04:15] <pestilence> those ones.
[04:16] <JohnPhys> pestilence: .......so why store them in the ~/Desktop folder unless you want them to show on the desktop?
[04:16] <JohnPhys> I must be missing something
[04:16] <pestilence> JohnPhys: mainly because that's where a lot of things default to saving files
[04:16] <ctimko> Ok, why do I have to do Failsafe GNOME all the time
[04:17] <pestilence> JohnPhys: e.g. firefox
[04:17] <JohnPhys> pestilence;  ah, well I just change the defaults
[04:18] <pestilence> JohnPhys: i'd rather just not show anything.  because then if something does put a file in ~/Desktop, i'll have to move it
[04:19] <JohnPhys> pestilence:  yeah, there might be a way to do it, though I don't know.  it also seems like that's killing the purpose of the desktop, to be able to hold some files/folders if you like.
[04:19] <JohnPhys> ah well
[04:20] <pestilence> for me, the desktop is a place to have a pretty picture, nothing more
[04:20] <pestilence> i don't use the file browser, either.
[04:20] <JohnPhys> sounds like you should use fluxbox or something
[04:20] <pestilence> i probably should
[04:21] <Linuturk> just use screen
[04:21] <pestilence> i have used it in the past.
[04:21] <pestilence> i use screen as well :)
[04:22] <Linuturk> I hear dwm only has 56 lines of code pestilence
[04:23] <pestilence> hey.
[04:25] <tanner> anyone know if 8.04 has 802.11n support built in?
[04:25] <HorizonXP> does anyone have a link for ufw and how to use it?
[04:25] <HorizonXP> !ufw
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <jester7> are there problems with flash and java on the amd64 version of hardy?
[04:30] <pestilence> jester7: i can't tell you if there aren't problems, but i can tell you that flash worked for me when i tried it (have only been in hardy for ~1 hour)
[04:31] <pestilence> jester7: don't know about the java plugin
[04:37] <leo_rockw> if mesa has no 3d acceleration, how com glxgears works?
[04:39] <RAOF> Because mesa has a software OpenGL implementation, too.
[04:40] <leo_rockw> RAOF: thank you
[04:49] <Zoris> is configuring compiz different in 8.04? Because I can't seem to get it to work the same way as in 7.10
[04:50] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Can you give a specific example?
[04:51] <Zoris> Well, I've installed compiz and all the necessary software, advanced desktop effects works, but there is no "custom" option under appearance>visual effects
[04:51] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | Zoris
[04:51] <ubotu> Zoris: To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[04:52] <Zoris> thatś already installed
[04:52] <cyclonut> has anyone tried the latest hal packages in the repos?
[04:52] <Zoris> I can access "advanced desktop effects settings" but I can't activate them
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Someone else was mentioning they had that problem, a while ago, do you have the latest updates?
[04:53] <Zoris> yes, everything except for language-pack-gnome-en, which won't install
[04:54] <Lleumas> I had that problem, but I tried installing it again after it failed and it worked.
[04:54] <Zoris> alright, Iĺl try reinstalling
[04:54] <leo_rockw> eew... impossible to even watch a video with mesa drivers
[04:55] <cyclonut> also, has anyone gotten dual-monitors to work with EXA rendering as opposed to XAA
[04:55] <Lleumas> Umm, would anyone know how to get my videothumbnails back. They aren't working for .avi that I know of -- I'm using Hardy so I figured I could ask in here. Also, I installed xine which was the only recommendation I could find on the forums.
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, can you play them regularly?
[04:56] <Lleumas> yes
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, and if so, check your nautilus settings in gconfeditor
[04:56] <cyclonut> Lleumas, there may be a quicker way, but you should be able to find what you need to specify maximal size to thumbnail for
[04:57] <cyclonut> Lleumas, thats just my guess as to what is wrong/a fix for you
[04:57] <Zoris> okay, that didn work, but installing simple-ccsm did (someone on the forums pointed me to that)
[04:57] <Lleumas> Alright thanks, I'll give it a shot
[04:58] <Jordan_U> Zoris, You should be able to save a configuration in ccsm and load it in simple-ccsm
[04:58] <cyclonut> again, anyone running dual-screens with EXA rendering?
[04:58] <Zoris> neither was installed to begin with
[04:59] <cyclonut> Also, what do the latest HAL updates change/are they going to cripple my delicate wifi/video situation?
[04:59] <Lleumas> cyclonut: thumbnail_limit?
[04:59] <cyclonut> Lleumas, sounds right
[05:00] <Lleumas> Have any idea what I should change it to?
[05:00] <cyclonut> well its probably in bytes
[05:00] <cyclonut> anything over that size will not get a thumbnail
[05:00] <cyclonut> soooo
[05:00] <Lleumas> It's 5242880 right now
[05:01] <Zoris> okay, now my visual effects keep going back to "normal" although I select "custom"
[05:01] <cyclonut> Lleumas, well, thats about 5 megabytes
[05:02] <cyclonut> you've gotta realize this is a performance issue... I bet theres a btter way to make this work
[05:03] <cyclonut> Lleumas, you might search around the forums before changing that to some huge number just yet. Perhaps get a sub-5mb video and see if it generates a thumbnail? or, perhaps the option is turned off somewhere else
[05:03] <Lleumas> I'm thinking it's probably the latter
[05:03] <Lleumas> because this just mentions images. I think the video options are somewhere else/ I don't have them
[05:03] <cyclonut> ah
[05:03] <cyclonut> im sure you have them
[05:04] <cyclonut> they are just somewhere else
[05:04] <cyclonut> sadly, I dont know where. sorry.
[05:04] <cyclonut> for now, its sleep. long day tomorrow!
[05:04] <cyclonut> g'night everyone and good luck
[05:04] <Zoris> okay, compiz is working now
[05:04] <Zoris> but having only two workspaces really messes it up
[05:08] <doofy`> before I file a bug report Ill ask in here. My storage drive (/dev/hda1/) worked just fine in gutsy. I upgraded to hardy and it wont mount. When i try sudo mount -a it returns mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:10] <Lleumas> Think I may have found the answer, and it was a Hardy related issue. Sweet.
[05:10] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, what does "fdisk -l" return when the drive is plugged in?
[05:11] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, its not on that list. Yes the drive is plugged in. This happened with hardy alpha as well. As soon as I reinstalled Gutsy it was mountable again.
[05:11] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, my best guess is that the proper kernel modules arent being added for my ide controller
[05:11] <leftyfb> Has anyone noticed nautilus bookmarks to ssh mounts/directories need to now be mounted in order to copy files to them? Previously in Feisty and Hardy I was able to drag a file to an sshfs bookmark in nautilus without having to first manually mount it and without it creating it's mount point icon on my desktop. Now nautilus complains that it's not mounted and I have to manually mount it which creates the mountpoint icon on the deskt
[05:11] <leftyfb> op.
[05:11] <doofy`> all of SATA drives are showing up
[05:12] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, i'm thinking so also... have you tried insmoding them?
[05:12] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, im not sure what they are :-/
[05:13] <doofy`> havent compiled as kernel since i installed gentoo a while back
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> ah, well i doubt they'd differ from 2.6.1 to 3.6.*
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> oops
[05:13] <tcpdumpgod> 2.6.*... therefore you could probably boot from a gutsy live cd and lsmod to check whats loaded.
[05:14] <doofy`> ill pull down the gutsy live cd now and try it
[05:15] <doofy`> this must be a pretty isolated case as i havent read anything elsewhere about it
[05:15] <Jordan_U> Is flash working for you guys with pulseaudio? ( it has broken recently for me )
[05:18] <Zoris> I'm having trouble playing .ogg in movie player
[05:18] <Zoris> and rhythmbox
[05:19] <Zoris> basically the song just won't start
[05:20] <Zoris> audacity reads;
[05:20] <Zoris> Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate.
[05:20] <Jordan_U> Zoris, Audacity does not work with Pulseaudio
[05:21] <doofy`> what happened to home in ff3???
[05:21] <Zoris> what is pulseaudio?
[05:21] <Zoris> doofy, right-click and then choose "customize"
[05:21] <Zoris> you should be able to move the "home" bookmark and make it a home icon
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Zoris, It' a sound server that is network transparent, allows independent volume control for each application, and beside not working with Audacity is basically pure win :)
[05:22] <doofy`> Zoris, so no home button?
[05:23] <Zoris> there is, you just have to make it basically
[05:23] <doofy`> oh whoops, i had the bm toolbar hidden
[05:24] <leftyfb> any ideas on my nautilus/sshfs issue?
[05:25] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, you think thats the best way to find the module?
[05:25] <doofy`> just compare lsmod on hardy vs gutsy?
[05:25] <tcpdumpgod> Or check what chipset you have on your mobo and look up the correct module.
[05:25] <Zoris> so how do I play any music?
[05:26] <tcpdumpgod> With a music player.
[05:26] <Zoris> well, rhythmbox doesn't work
[05:27] <Zoris> nor does movie player or audacity
[05:27] <tcpdumpgod> Then something is wrong with your sound card, not the player.
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> Or the sound card module.
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> Or your output settings.
[05:28] <Zoris> well, it worked perfectly on Gutsy
[05:28] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, weird thing is my disc drives are working which are ide as well...
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, what kind of connection is the drive that isnt working?
[05:28] <tcpdumpgod> IDE USB PCMCIA?
[05:28] <doofy`> ide
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Okay, and its hooked up to the same channel as the working drive?
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Dude, i dont think its the OS... in all honestly.
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> honesty*
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> I guess it has to be though
[05:29] <doofy`> guaranteed if i go back to gutsy it will work ;)
[05:29] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, thats why I said that.
[05:30] <Zoris> is -my- problem is OSś fault? It sure seems like it to me
[05:31] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, your problem is that you haven't read enough.
[05:32] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, ill try lsmod and compare it with hardys... though im going to have trouble figuring out the differences
[05:32] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, SCP it to a remote location.
[05:32] <tcpdumpgod> "lsmod >> /tmp/modules.txt" then SCP it.
[05:33] <Zoris> I haven't read enough?
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, i've told you your problem.
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Either your sound card is incorrectly configured, or your output settings on your media players are wrong.
[05:33] <tcpdumpgod> Im leaning toward the 1st.
[05:33] <Zoris> and how do I fix this?
[05:34] <tcpdumpgod> I'd suggest you start googling.
[05:35] <Zoris> what command do I use to find out what sound card I have? All I know is itś some integrated one
[05:35] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, wouldnt you think that if the CD drives work that the HDD would too?
[05:35] <tcpdumpgod> Yes doofy` unless there's something wrong with the drives.
[05:35] <tcpdumpgod> Have you dug through the logs doofy` ?
[05:35] <doofy`> dont know where to look
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> Zoris, "sudo lspci |grep -i audio"
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, "tail -n 30 /var/log/messages"
[05:36] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, ill do this real quick and see what I find, be back in a few minutes
[05:36] <tcpdumpgod> ok
[05:43] <Syko> I've had a problem with compiz being disabled after upgrading to 8.04Beta
[05:43] <Syko> is there any topics covering this?
[05:43] <Zoris> I just got compiz working
[05:44] <GhotiPhud> do you have a mobile ati card?
[05:44] <Zoris> I installed simple-ccsm
[05:44] <Zoris> no, I'm afraid not
[05:45] <GhotiPhud> they've decided to disable compiz on those
[05:49] <Syko> GhotiPhud, I have x1950 ati card
[05:49] <Syko> not mobile
[05:50] <omar_> The system crashes on me eventually while doing something.. It turns all black as if I locked the screen, and I can't get it back unless I turn off the machine and turn it back on..
[05:51] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, any easy way to compare these? they aren't sort so a diff isnt very pretty
[05:51] <savvas> omar_: while doing what?
[05:53] <tcpdumpgod> diff file1 file2
[05:53] <omar_> savvas: I'm not sure, I'm surfing the net or playing a game or listening to music.. anything..
[05:53] <doofy`> i know, but they arent in any particular order so the diffs came out as big as the files ;)
[05:55] <savvas> omar_: a lot of info required to file a bug here i think, you can gather some info from the logs in /var/log/ directory - or look in the menu system > administration > system log :)
[05:55] <Jordan_U> doofy`, What are you trying to compare?
[05:55] <doofy`> Jordan_U, two lsmod outputs
[05:56] <Jordan_U> doofy`, use sort
[05:56] <doofy`> yea i just sorted a spread sheet with the modules
[05:59] <omar_> savvas: I found this one: WARNING: Main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[06:01] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, only thing that looks worthwhile is nls_cp437
[06:01] <raidium> why for the love of god is my gmail showing me this "Enema Recipe - AboutColonCleansing.info - Fantastic Enema Recipes Reviewed And Rated For You!"
[06:02]  * raidium sighs
[06:02] <doofy`> well actually take a look if you could... the before file was gutsy after is hardy http://pastebin.ca/956361
[06:02] <tcpdumpgod> doofy`, is it a VFAT partition on that drive?
[06:02] <doofy`> tcpdumpgod, no
[06:03] <doofy`> i cant remember if its ntfs or ext3
[06:03] <omar_> savvas: And that one: "init: tty6 main process (4840) killed by TERM signal. ", and there 5 more entries similar to this but with different numbers.
[06:04] <tcpdumpgod> I duno dude.
[06:04] <tcpdumpgod> you've got me on that one
[06:04] <doofy`> ahh looks like pata_amd :)
[06:04] <doofy`> so insmod pata_amd
[06:05] <doofy`> is that the correct command? and do i need to restart
[06:05] <omar_> savvas: And finally: "gdm [6080]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 "
[06:06] <doofy`> ugh nevermind that is in my hardy... not in gutsy
[06:08] <savvas> omar_: file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - use a descriptive title, such as: hardy system crash while in use - Main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[06:08] <savvas> omar_: explain how you installed hardy (fresh install or upgrade), what where you doing when it happened, attach some logfiles :)
[06:09] <savvas> omar_: also state if it's updated to use the latest software
[06:09] <Jordan_U> doofy`, Have you tried mounting by UUID ?
[06:10] <doofy`> Jordan_U, nope
[06:11] <doofy`> how can i figure out the drives uuid?
[06:11] <savvas> doofy`: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:11] <DanaG> or sudo vol_id -u /dev/sd(whatever)
[06:11] <voidmage> anyone else having trouble connecting to hidden wireless networks as in bug 200950?
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200950 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[iwl3945] network manager not able to associate to hidden SSID (scan_capa = 0x0)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200950
[06:12] <doofy`> drive isnt even showing up :-/
[06:13] <doofy`> it has to be a kernel module i cant think of anything else it could be
[06:13] <doofy`> it doesnt show up under fdisk -l
[06:13] <savvas> doofy`: lspci | grep -i unknown
[06:13] <doofy`> nothing
[06:14] <savvas> sata or ata?
[06:14] <doofy`> ata
[06:14] <doofy`> worked fine in gutsy
[06:14] <doofy`> http://pastebin.ca/956361 thats the diff on the lsmod between gutsy live and hardy
[06:14] <savvas> doofy`: lspci | grep IDE
[06:15] <doofy`> savvas, 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 IDE (rev a5)
[06:15] <savvas> nforce drivers..
[06:15] <savvas> have you installed those?
[06:15] <doofy`> no?
[06:16] <doofy`> how would i go about doing that?
[06:16] <doofy`> from nvidia?
[06:17] <doofy`> im not seeing any nforce 3 ones on their site
[06:18] <savvas> hm..
[06:18] <doofy`> it worked fine in gutsy without drivers
[06:19] <savvas> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html
[06:19] <savvas> maybe tis one
[06:19] <savvas> well.. dunno :)
[06:19] <doofy`> do you know if theyre in the repos?
[06:19] <Jordan_U> doofy`, jocky doesn't work?
[06:20] <doofy`> Jordan_U, whats that?
[06:20] <savvas> the hardware drivers in system > administration
[06:20] <Jordan_U> doofy`, It's the replacement for restricted-driver-manager
[06:20] <doofy`> Jordan_U, nothing related to my chipset is in their, just fglrx
[06:21] <murlidhar> isn't compiz fusion-icon working in hardy?
[06:22] <Jordan_U> doofy`, That's odd, unless you have another card in your computer you should file a bug
[06:22] <savvas> doofy`: well try install it, if it doesn't do the trick, file a bug :)
[06:23] <savvas> check your wires too, if you were messing around in the tower
[06:23] <Jordan_U> fglrx can't be much worse with nvidia cards than it does with ATI cards :)
[06:23] <doofy`> savvas, hasnt moved ;) In that driver package there is only RHEL, Fedora and Suse folders
[06:24] <savvas> darn
[06:24] <doofy`> grrr this is killing me
[06:25] <doofy`> i suppose ill file a bug report
[06:25] <doofy`> any suggestions on what to add to the report log wise?
[06:38] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with networkmanager
[06:39] <AnAnt> it somehow cannot detect that it became connected to a network
[06:39] <AnAnt> it always tries to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless)
[06:40] <AnAnt> for example today it kept trying to connect to the AP, and then it decided that it failed although it was able to get an IP address !
[06:40] <AnAnt> anyone has that problem ?
[06:50] <EruditeHermit> hey has anyone setup google calendar with evolution yet?
[06:51] <bluefoxx> can i report a error im finding in hardy? everytime i try to use tab completion in the terminal with sudo it doesnt work then uses the system bell
[06:52] <bluefoxx> other than this and a bit of trouble booting the livecd[had to choose no splash and no quiet else it hung at intramfs thingy] and having to track down all my programs again, its great
[06:57] <bluefoxx> the newest firefox is pretty sweet
[07:00] <bluefoxx> im loving the new compiz effects, they will probally be even faster with a 512 MB nvidia 6600/6800 i bet
[07:04] <VanDyke> seriously
[07:04] <VanDyke> ubuntu 32 bit 8.04
[07:04] <VanDyke> with gnome
[07:04] <VanDyke> AWESOME
[07:06] <savvas> bluefoxx: apt-get install bash-completion
[07:06] <savvas> there's a bug about it
[07:09] <bluefoxx> savvas: will do
[07:10] <KalEl> when i search for a file through the tracker tool, on the left pane it shows a number of files found, but the main box (where the files should display) is blank
[07:10] <hrlr> Hi there.  I can't seem to find a bug report for the problem that I'm having so I thought that I'd come here to see if anyone else is having the same problem...  My computer is showing up in my router as having the hostname "*"  it used to show up as "ubuntu" or whatever hostname I put in on setup.  Has anyone noticed this at all?
[07:11] <Jordan_U> hrlr, What does the command "hostname" output?
[07:11] <hrlr> ubuntu
[07:12] <savvas> KalEl: run it in terminal, maybe it will popup an error to file a bug :) tracker-search-tool
[07:12] <hrlr> Jordan_U:  I did try that earlier...  But outwardly the hostname is showing as "*"
[07:12] <KalEl> savvas, ran it in terminal, doesn't show anything
[07:13] <KalEl> i mean nothing comes as a message on terminal
[07:13] <savvas> hrlr: you can change it in /etc/hosts
[07:13] <savvas> hrlr: then you use the hostname command to change, but only AFTER you edit /etc/hosts, otherwise you'll get a broken system :)
[07:14] <savvas> KalEl: report it as a bug, or maybe there's one already
[07:14] <hrlr> savvas:  so this is expected behaviour?  In previous version of ubuntu the hostname would be what it was and not "*" as default.
[07:15] <KalEl> ahh... it's already there it seems, this is exactly my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/149300
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149300 in tracker "incomplete or missing search results shown" [Medium,Fix released]
[07:16] <savvas> hrlr: well uh.. file the bug :)
[07:17] <hrlr> Under NetworkManager 0.6.6?
[07:18] <savvas> KalEl: apt-cache policy tracker-search-tool | grep Installed
[07:18] <KalEl> savvas, Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu2
[07:18] <savvas> KalEl: add a comment that you confirm the problem on that version
[07:19] <KalEl> ok will do... also is there any way to set a flag so that the bug is easily noticeable for hardy?
[07:20] <Lynoure> KalEl: you could add Hardy in the title
[07:20] <Lynoure> KalEl: Launchpad cannot split bugs anyway
[07:20] <KalEl> ok thanks
[07:20] <Lynoure> so better keep them separate unless you know they are same
[07:21] <savvas> KalEl: nominate for hardy on the left menu, I've set that bug report back to confirmed
[07:21] <_Angelus_> guys
[07:21] <murlidhar> strange  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60957/
[07:21] <_Angelus_> is wine gonna be updated to newer releases in hardy?
[07:21] <savvas> KalEl: also, try to right click on the tracker tray icon and select reindex, maybe that will fix the problem
[07:21] <_Angelus_> or is it gonna stay 0.9.58 ?
[07:21] <Lynoure> It was a bit frustrating to see a huge partially confirmed closed as Won't Fix no splitting :/
[07:22] <_Angelus_> till the next release
[07:22] <murlidhar> watch the line 16 and 17
[07:23] <KalEl> savvas, ok... also another thing, the tooltip is stuck at "Indexing 1/11 folders" for a long time - even after i've asked it to reindex
[07:25] <murlidhar> what is the problem?
[07:26] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: most probably stay the same
[07:26] <savvas> KalEl: sudo aptitude reinstall tracker tracker-search-tool
[07:26] <nox-Hand> THe insatller just sorta hangs at 66% "Setting up the Partitioner""
[07:26] <nox-Hand> Is this a known bug, or is it just me?
[07:28] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, why doesnt the ubuntu team start updating wine so people won't need to add the wine repisotory themselves :/
[07:29] <savvas> _Angelus_: because they're probably trying to make open source popular, not windows emulators :)
[07:29] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: because they release stable releases every 6 months. It doesn't make sense to keep updating things because you cannot guarantee the stability of everything all the time. If they updated everything continually, things would break
[07:29] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: better to focus on making a stable reliable product once every six months than making an unstable mess
[07:31] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, understood :)
[07:31] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: most peoples needs are for stability over bleeding edge and therefore this is their rationale.
[07:31] <_Angelus_> EruditeHermit, yes i agree. but in the case of wine, it's getting better and better with every release
[07:32] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: that may be so, but it takes time to verify each release and package it and make sure there are no bugs
[07:32] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: by the time that is done, a new release may be out, and you have to do it all over again.
[07:33] <murlidhar> my new kernel given with hardy does wrongly identify my ethernet card which makes me use my old kernel of gutsy.   Is there any way i can configure my ethernet card in the latest kernel.????
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: I understand your desire for bleeding edge, but there is just a trade off
[07:33] <murlidhar> i am not able to use my ethernet card for internet in the new kernel
[07:34] <EruditeHermit> _Angelus_: I think 6 months is a reasonable trade off. MSFT and Apple don't release that frequently
[07:34] <kgoetz> hi all. should i be installing ubuntu-desktop before attempting to upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[07:36] <chris062689> what is the best way to upgrade to Hardy from Gutsy?
[07:37] <bazhang> edit your sources list changing gutsy to hardy, refresh then dist-upgrade
[07:37] <chris062689> there was another way though...
[07:38] <bazhang> kgoetz: from kubuntu xubuntu what?
[07:38] <kgoetz> bazhang: from Ubuntu 6.06
[07:38] <kgoetz> with gnome :)
[07:38] <bazhang> kgoetz: gnome to gnome? then you should be fine ;]
[07:39] <murlidhar> chris062689, download alternate cd iso. mount the image and type   ""    sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade   ""
[07:39] <KalEl> reinstalled tracker, still doesn't work properly
[07:40] <bazhang> best differs around here ;]
[07:40] <bluefoxx> what package did i need to un-rar .rar files again?its been three months since i last installed all my programs and im so used to them just being there...im racking my brain trying to remember but theres too much r/l stuff there now...not to mention todays events[but noone will want to know those lol]
[07:40] <chris062689> there was a command with dist-upgrade I could do without changing my sources.list though
[07:40] <murlidhar> chris062689, if mounted on /media/cdrom/
[07:40] <murlidhar> chris062689, do u have a stable internet connection?
[07:40] <chris062689> yep
[07:41] <murlidhar> then is better to follow bazhang
[07:41] <chris062689> ok
[07:41] <bazhang> big dist-upgrade though; best not be on dialup ;]
[07:44] <kgoetz> bazhang: without the metapackage? cheers :)
[07:46] <savvas> bluefoxx: apt-get install rar unrar :)
[07:46] <bluefoxx> O.o what do the "encript" and "sign" options on the context menu do? i tired them but couldnt figure it out...
[07:46] <bluefoxx> savvas: tyvm^^
[07:47] <savvas> bluefoxx: you can encrypt your files for extra protections, but you need a gnupg key first :)
[07:47] <savvas> but without the key, i don't think you can restore that encrypted file
[07:48] <bluefoxx> savvas: how do i get this key?
[07:48] <vega--> does anyone have a working sun-java6-plugin in hardy? i don't see it in about:plugins after install
[07:49] <bluefoxx> and could i save a backup of it to say, a redundant set of srives[also known as my raid5 external, internal scsi and internal sata]
[07:49] <savvas> bluefoxx: applications > accessories > passwords... > file > create new key
[07:49] <bluefoxx> savvas: ty
[07:49] <savvas> bluefoxx: oops, not file, but key
[07:49] <DistroJockey> vega--: I tried but couldn't get it to work either
[07:50] <DistroJockey> vega--: not tried very hard yet though
[07:50] <vega--> DistroJockey: i've checked update-alternatives and restarted the browser, the basic stuff, but doesn't show up
[07:51] <DistroJockey> vega--: I think I'll try the GCJ
[07:51] <savvas> DistroJockey: your nick would be make a nice domain :)
[07:52] <DistroJockey> vega--: heh, yeah, I have the email rented ;P
[07:52] <bluefoxx> savvas: thanks, im on my way now ^^
[07:53] <DistroJockey> What are your thoughts on GCJ ?
[07:53] <vega--> DistroJockey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/173966
[07:53] <savvas> bluefoxx: if you're going to create a pgp/gpg key, set it to expire in 2-3 years, i think that's good for a fine protection method
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173966 in sun-java6 "java plugin not working in firefox 3 on ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:53] <vega--> so that's it...
[07:53] <DistroJockey> ahh
[07:53] <DistroJockey> Trying GCJ now
[07:54] <bluefoxx> savvas: kk, tyvm
[07:54] <savvas> n/p :)
[07:54] <Finnish> UGh
[07:55] <Finnish> Is bluetooth working ok in hardy?
[07:55] <Finnish> I guess I'm having somekind of problems
[07:56] <DistroJockey> vega--: No luck with GCJ either for the site I'm checking with
[07:56] <Finnish> Terminal gives me this error when launching blueman: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files
[07:57] <hrlr> Is there anyone in here that can help me to confirm and associate a bug report I just created?
[07:59] <hrlr> I'm unsure of what package I should be associating the bug with:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-interbase/+bug/206392
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206392 in php-interbase "can`t instal at ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New]
[07:59] <hrlr> Sorry...  Wrong bug..
[08:00] <hrlr> Here's the proper link.....   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206384
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206384 in ubuntu "hostname is incorrect on LAN" [Undecided,New]
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: The 3 terminal commands listed in that bug report seems to have fixed it for me
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: sudo sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.04/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: cd /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/
[08:03] <DistroJockey> vega--: sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/firefox-3.0-javaplugin.so
[08:05] <hrlr> DistroJockey:  Would an update to Java break your symlink?
[08:05] <DistroJockey> hrlr: *shrugs* Probably
[08:06] <DistroJockey> hrlr: Only got half way throught the responses on the bug report, but decided to give it a go. Not read the rest yet :)
[08:07] <hrlr> DistroJockey:  From what I've read, this bug will not be fixed in Sun Java 6.  Apparently it'll only be fixed in Java 7.  That kinda irked me.
[08:07] <Amaranth> luckily we have openjdk 6 in hardy :)
[08:08] <tanner> anyone know if 802.11n is enabled in hardy?
[08:08] <DistroJockey> hrlr: ahh
[08:09] <clusty> tanner, what do you mean enabled?
[08:09] <tanner> clusty: for the most part 802.11n is not included by default
[08:09] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: Is that what GCJ is?
[08:09] <Amaranth> no
[08:09] <clusty> tanner, i know for a fact that the intel N card words fine
[08:09] <hrlr> Amaranth:  Yeah, but will it be the first selected default for users to install?  Also, is it as compatible?  I tried to use Icedtea java with Mercury and it crashes :(
[08:10] <Amaranth> clusty: afaik the intel one is the only one
[08:10] <tanner> clusty: sure, if you have the code enabled and the kernel configured for it
[08:10] <tanner> however, for example, in gusty with the default kernel, my Intel 4965AGN card is unable to connect to a N only WAP
[08:10] <clusty> i dont have a N card, but a buddy got it working since feisty
[08:11] <clusty> tanner, that I dont know :D
[08:11] <Amaranth> tanner: the driver in gutsy was not certified by intel
[08:11] <clusty> he could just connect somehow :D
[08:11] <Amaranth> because it was not ready yet
[08:11] <Amaranth> it was just a "this is better than nothing" and probably "dell uses intel chips" move :P
[08:12] <clusty> and the iwl driver is any different?
[08:12] <tanner> clusty: perhaps his AP is in mixed mode
[08:12] <Amaranth> the iwl driver was used in gutsy too for the 4965 but it was experimental
[08:12] <tanner> wouldnt know about dell, i only use thinkpads :)
[08:12] <tanner> i see
[08:12] <clusty> i dont like the iwl driver
[08:12] <clusty> my connection drops constantly
[08:12] <tanner> well i know that support is there in 2.6.24, but has to be enabled with a patch last i recall
[08:13] <clusty> and the blinky light of wireless is not shining anymore
[08:13] <clusty> :D
[08:13] <tanner> clusty: i have mixed results, seems dmesg reports firmware failures which require me to reload the module to reconnect
[08:13] <tanner> clusty: supposed to be fixed just not included/enabled by default in 2.6.24
[08:13] <kgoetz> i've dont seem to have an updated update-manager-core available, and when i run do-release-upgrade -d it claims theres no new release found. anyone had this before?
[08:13] <tanner> at least according to #ipw2100
[08:14] <clusty> btw why did they switch from iwp to iwl drivers?
[08:14] <tanner> might be best to ask in the aforementioned channel
[08:15] <kgoetz> stupid upgrade tools :/
[08:15] <clusty> any clue if packet injection works with the iwl?
[08:15] <clusty> :D
[08:15] <tanner> haha
[08:15] <tanner> it would be nice, though probably not?
[08:16] <clusty> i used to have a hacked driver kernel just to fool around
[08:17]  * tanner needs 802.11n enabled and working at full speed so he can stream hi def media over his wireless network
[08:21] <oxigen> huh, i dont see navigation panels any more! HELP! I didn't save some stuff on desktop #3 :( what can i do?
[08:21] <oxigen> i dont want to ctrl+alt+backspace now..
[08:22] <oxigen> any other option?
[08:22] <oxigen> this happen while i was in a toilet :/
[08:23] <kgoetz> ^ alt [left,right] to switch workspaces?
[08:23] <DanaG> gnome panel missing, or window decoration missing?
[08:23] <DanaG> ^?  Caret?  Don'tcha' mean 'ctrl' ?
[08:24] <kgoetz> yes, i mean ctrl. aka ^
[08:24] <oxigen> no, this doesnt help :(
[08:25] <DanaG> Hmm, are the panels missing, or the window manager?
[08:25] <oxigen> aaa! :) ctrl+alt [left,right] do the job! thanks kgoetz!
[08:25] <kgoetz> :)
[08:26] <oxigen> but still why panels missing?
[08:26] <kgoetz> could be a number of reasons. perhaps its running, but died off
[08:27] <kgoetz> press alt+f2, and enter 'xterm' - does it launch?
[08:27] <oxigen> alt+f2 doesnt work
[08:32] <oxigen> hmm, probably was latest upgrade...
[08:32] <oxigen> but ok i have all saved! :)
[08:33] <gluer> Users $HOM/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. Users $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users??
[08:33] <gluer> any ideas?
[08:34] <gluer> $HOME not $HOM
[08:34] <gluer> :-)
[08:34] <kgoetz> gluer: chmod 644 ~/.dmrc
[08:34] <gluer> ok will try now brb
[08:35] <Raspberry> tanner: I can't seem to get my WirelessN card working as a wireless N ... it is stuck @ G
[08:36] <J-_> Does Exaile's EQ work in Hardy?
[08:36]  * J-_ hears no difference
[08:36] <Raspberry> tanner: I've got an Intel 4965 AGN
[08:37] <sbingner> Raspberry, try updating your access point to N
[08:37] <gluer> didnt work..appears everytime i login
[08:37]  * sbingner ducks
[08:37]  * J-_ quacks
[08:37] <Raspberry> wow.
[08:37] <sbingner> lol
[08:37] <sbingner> sorry I couldn't resist
[08:38] <tanner_> erm
[08:38] <tanner_> well this is peachy, vmware causes a system hang
[08:38] <Raspberry> ... being an idiot, yeah, I know
[08:38] <sbingner> Raspberry, you'd be surprised how many times questions like that turn out to be the right answer... but everybody's afraid to ask them :p
[08:38] <J-_> tanner_: Really? What about vbox?
[08:39] <tanner_> J-_: virtualbox?
[08:39] <J-_> Yes
[08:39] <tanner_> havent tried it, not sure windows will like my trying to play it
[08:39] <J-_> Oh you're on windows? nvm
[08:40] <tanner_> no, on linux
[08:40] <tanner_> with a windows guest
[08:41] <Raspberry> oh whoops, I guess sbingner was right -- my wireless router was set to b/g only!
[08:41] <tanner_> 8.04 has many nicieties (mainly the automounting of sata drives, such as my eSATA drives) that are not present in 7.10, but for the majority of what i need seems to be lacking =(
[08:42] <tanner_> Raspberry: if i may ask, what were you trying to accomplish
[08:42] <Raspberry> tanner_: I'm trying to figure out KVM so I can virtualize my windows guest :)
[08:42] <Raspberry> tanner_: accomplish in regards to?
[08:43] <tanner_> your WAP and b/g
[08:44] <Raspberry> ah ... I thought I'd make sbingner feel good about himself
[08:44] <Raspberry> my problem isn't actually fixed
[08:45] <Raspberry> I've got a thinkpad with the 4965 AGN card in it... and I can't seem to connect to the N router in Linux, but can in Windows...
[08:45] <tanner_> haha
[08:45] <tanner_> T61p?
[08:46] <tanner_> well, T61 or T61p is my guess
[08:46] <Raspberry> x61t
[08:46] <J-_> Latest updates alright to install?
[08:46] <tanner_> SuperView or Multitouch?
[08:46] <J-_> I have a R61e
[08:46] <Raspberry> wxga super
[08:46] <J-_> Works awesome
[08:46] <Raspberry> 1400x1050
[08:47] <tanner_> how do you like it Raspberry, battery life and everything?
[08:47] <Raspberry> tanner_: i get about 4hrs in linux and 6.5 in vista
[08:47] <tanner_> J-_: everything on my thinkpad is technically supported, some fall a bit short though :( such as 802.11n
[08:47] <Raspberry> turning everything off in linux only gives me ~20 more minutes
[08:47] <tanner_> Raspberry: thats disappointing to hear
[08:48] <tanner_> although i believe Ubuntu falls very short in regards to laptops and power management (in gnome at least)
[08:48] <J-_> tanner_: hmm, weird. Internet works perfect here. I got a Intel Wireless PRO card though
[08:48] <Raspberry> I'm just about ready to switch to KDE4
[08:49] <Raspberry> I was a kde user until I installed this machine in November
[08:49] <gluer> raspberry: is KDE4 better?
[08:49] <tanner_> J-_: as do i, however, with default kernel and the iwl4965 driver, it will not connect without compiling a special driver
[08:49] <Raspberry> kde4 is really nice except the dual display stuff doesn't work right
[08:49]  * tanner_ much prefers KDE, however, not Kubuntu
[08:49] <Raspberry> it limits the larger monitor to the size of the smaller one
[08:49] <gluer> raspberry: how do i install it?
[08:50] <nox-Hand> I have next to no idea why, but I cannot run the partitioner in the beta CD
[08:50] <Raspberry> tanner_: yeah, that's what turned me off to kde in "ubuntu" kubuntu really mangled the whole thing
[08:50] <nox-Hand> Well, gparted works, but running the installer it fails
[08:50] <tanner_> Raspberry: i would not be suprised if you got better battery life thanks to KLaptop or whatever its called
[08:50] <tanner_> yes agreed, Kubuntu butchers KDE
[08:51] <tanner_> i personally think openSUSE's kde implementation is the best i've seen yet.
[08:51] <bazhang> meh.
[08:51] <Raspberry> less features but working always outweighs more features but broken ...
[08:51] <J-_> tanner_: Ah I see.. This is the first time having wireless, so I'm not really too good with it. All I know is, I had a bit of trouble when I first got the lappy, but it's solved from updates and it works awesome. I just can't use WPA2. But yeah, it's been working good. I just have DSL mind you.
[08:51] <bazhang> but kde + ubuntu = win
[08:52] <tanner_> J-_: why not?
[08:52] <Raspberry> tanner_: I agree I love OpenSuSE's KDE implementation ... definitely the best -- my issue with them is their package management process is horrible... way way way too slow
[08:52] <tanner_> J-_: why no WPA2?
[08:52] <J-_> bazhang: I agree, but I need to use gnome right now, too used to it. I just installed kde4, tried it for a bit, but meh. Back to Gnome for the most part
[08:52] <tanner_> Raspberry: +1, i usually stick to the command line "zypper" instead of the gui, i agree apt-get is nicer
[08:52] <J-_> tanner_: Don't know, I have no option to select it with nm-applet.
[08:53] <bazhang> J-_: not so much responding to you; just someone said Suse was awesome kde, but with rpm is it worth it? ;]
[08:53] <tanner_> weird, in ubuntu it auto detects and asks for the passkey :-\
[08:53] <tanner_> bazhang: as Raspberry said, it is a downfall :( but its implementation is soo wonderful.. wish someone would do that with Debian
[08:54] <bazhang> tanner_: yeah I get that too I'm using wpa2 but nm detects only wpa; still connects fine though
[08:54] <J-_> bazhang: I responded to you, I know you weren't talking to me.
[08:54] <gluer> installing kde4 now, 200+mb?
[08:54] <bazhang> J-_: right, well ubuntu and kubuntu differ by so little that it is really eye candy at this point
[08:54] <Raspberry> I wanted to run OpenSuSE, but I just couldn't after trying to add packages -- it's just confusing and slow
[08:54] <J-_> hehe
[08:55] <Raspberry> but like I was commenting in here earlier... Ubuntu could really learn from OpenSuSE's control panel...
[08:55] <Raspberry> I can configure my tablet using a GUI.
[08:55] <bazhang> J-_: witness the fact that I spend most of time in #ubuntu and can still answer many gui questions there ;]
[08:55] <Raspberry> pen and all with OpenSuSE 11
[08:55] <tanner_> yast2 is wonderful
[08:55] <bazhang> rpm bleh
[08:56] <J-_> bazhang: Yeah, cool.
[08:56] <nox-Hand> Oddly enough, if I select English language, installer works fine
[08:56] <tanner_> bazhang: i disagree; while the foundation (ubuntu) is similar, the polish and effort given to the distro's differ greatly, Ubuntu is extremely polished and smooth, Kubuntu seems slopped together, broken, less polish
[08:57] <tanner_> mind you, yast2 is the gui configuration tools
[08:57] <J-_> Opensuse isn't Ubuntu. There are probably other such channels for that discussion.
[08:57] <bazhang> tanner_: sorry; it takes two coins to click ;]
[08:57] <tanner_> sorry, unfamiliar with that phrase, though i imagine it has something to do with $.02
[08:58] <bazhang> nah it means roughly from the Mandarin it takes two to tango ;]
[09:00] <Raspberry> I'm bummed -- I'm stuck with a couple of bugs that I don't think I'll be fixing tonight
[09:02] <tanner_> Raspberry: such as?
[09:02] <Raspberry> trying to get MythTV to play some MPEG4 XVID AVI files
[09:02] <Raspberry> I can play them on the box, but Myth doesn't like it
[09:02] <Raspberry> and I can see what it says since I have a crappy old TV ... the print is too fine
[09:02] <tanner_> Raspberry: tired the #myth-users channel?
[09:02] <Raspberry> can > can't
[09:03] <Raspberry> they're only helping women :P
[09:03] <tanner_> lol
[09:03] <Raspberry> some guy just went off on a tyrade about it
[09:03] <Raspberry> I asked my question in there, but my handle doesn't have Vanessa in it
[09:03] <Raspberry> so I'm back to poking around
[09:04] <tanner_> lol
[09:05] <Raspberry> I've found a few comments people are making about mythtv 0.21 and xvmc issues
[09:05] <tanner_> iamleanardo is usually helpful
[09:05] <Raspberry> where xvmc is auto-detecting content incorrectly and trying to hardware accellerate video that it can't
[09:06] <Raspberry> iamlindoro?
[09:06] <tanner_> yeah that'd be him
[09:07] <Raspberry> i'll keep an eye out from him
[09:08] <tanner_> brb, have to restart x :-\
[09:09] <tanner> wtf
[09:09] <tanner> xchat is going crazy
[09:09] <tanner> xchat and xorg, eating up my cpu
[09:10] <tanner> weird..
[09:10] <tanner> damn kvm
[09:11] <Raspberry> you're using kvm? or A KVM?
[09:11] <Raspberry> they should have picked a different name for that software
[09:11] <tanner> must have been why vmware was crashing
[09:11] <tanner> kvm the virtualization software
[09:12] <Raspberry> how is that working
[09:12] <tanner> not especially well at the moment
[09:13] <tanner> although neither is vmware since the upgrade to 8.04
[09:17] <tanner> erm so annoying
[09:17] <tanner> vmware is holding my keyboard hostage
[09:21] <Raspberry> it's always nice when the system won't boot properly after a restart
[09:21] <tanner> ;-\
[09:21] <Raspberry> this is a gutsy issue... so I'd better ask the question over in #ubuntu
[09:21] <tanner> its always nice when vmware refuses to release the keyboard
[09:22] <Raspberry> my mythtv box is hanging at "No resume image, doing normal boot..."
[09:22] <tanner> sounds like a hibernation thing
[09:23] <Raspberry> CTRL+ALT+DEL gets it to start booting, but it mounts the drive read-only
[09:23] <Raspberry> this is a desktop machine :)
[09:23] <Raspberry> there shouldn't be any hibernating going on :P
[09:24] <tanner> understandable, however when it talks of a resume image, sounds to me like its expecting a image in swap
[09:24] <Raspberry> tanner: I believe all kernels do that now
[09:24] <Raspberry> they look for an "image" to resume from when starting... my laptop does it
[09:25] <tanner> interesting
[09:25] <Raspberry> it's the second (i think) line that pops up ... when the system boots
[09:26] <Raspberry> the system boots fine into recovery mode
[09:26] <Raspberry> ... or maybe not :P
[09:27] <tanner> erm, have to restart x 888again88
[09:27] <Raspberry> fix your shift key while you're at it
[09:27] <Raspberry> ;)
[09:28] <tanner> meh
[09:28] <tanner> as much as i dont want to i may have to go back to gusty
[09:31] <Raspberry> bah
[09:31] <Raspberry> I've been running hardy for a month
[09:31] <Raspberry> or two now
[09:32] <Raspberry> hmm
[09:32]  * tanner would love to have a myth box (small, discrete) capable of 1080p playback, although id settle for just proper video playback of all formats and high resolution output
[09:32] <Raspberry> this thing seems to be hung up trying to run a disk check on start up
[09:32] <Raspberry> why do i have a compulsion to hit the thing even though I know that won't fix the problem
[09:33] <tanner> well, gusty works great for me.. sans a few things, primarily Intel HD Sound is really only properly supported in 2.6.24, and in Hardy eSATA is much easier to mount and manage
[09:33] <tanner> Raspberry: its how we humans have been fixing things for the last 5,000 years :D
[09:33] <Raspberry> it works on a lot of things
[09:34] <Raspberry> but I'm finding that as stuff is more intricate and made out of cheaper materials ... that approach doesn't work as well anymore
[09:34] <Raspberry> i'm tempted to just leave it sit @ the "loading" screen and see if it fixes itself
[09:34] <tanner> so it seems
[09:34] <Raspberry> yup
[09:34] <Raspberry> there it goes
[09:35] <Raspberry> heh
[09:36] <Raspberry> and now VNC works
[09:37] <Raspberry> i'm testing out the dynamic remote control key assignments too
[09:37] <Raspberry> which amazingly seem to work
[09:38] <tanner> what is your setup for this box?
[09:38] <Raspberry> and of course they work... because the control centre utility never updated them :p
[09:39] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. i'm on hardy, and i plugin a usb drive, but i get nothing, i'm tailing /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog while doing this but there's no messages coming up?
[09:39] <Raspberry> it's just a desktop PC with an Athlon64X2 3800+ and 1gb of memory ... with 1 320gb hdd for the OS / Records and 1 320gb drive for all my music and any videos I convert from recordings... DVD rips... et al
[09:40] <tanner> nice
[09:40] <buz> i'm fighting with lm-sensors-3 in hardy
[09:41] <tanner> NET||abuse: what does dmesg report
[09:41] <buz> fan divisor settings are being ignored
[09:41] <NET||abuse> tanner, yeh, see some messages there now,, hm, why not any under syslog or messages files?
[09:41] <Raspberry> i've got a pair of the PC-HD cards cx8800 driver cards that do analog and digital recording
[09:42] <Raspberry> and a cheap FX series Nvidia Card with an S-VIDEO out to the TV
[09:42] <tanner> NET||abuse: not sure why the system logs wouldnt pick it up, however all device messages will show under dmesg or /var/logs/dmesg*, as long as your device is registering and you see it in dmesg, try going to places -> and seeing if it shows up there
[09:42] <NET||abuse> tanner, the messages are "hub 5-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?\n ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: port 1 reset error -110\n  hub 5-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)"
[09:43] <NET||abuse> tanner, nothing under places had already checked that
[09:43] <NET||abuse> the cable isn't bad, it's been in use on other pc's thismorning already
[09:43] <tanner> Raspberry: sounds like a good setup, i'm looking to build a slim profile set top box with essentially the same functionality
[09:44] <tanner> NET||abuse: i'm afraid i have no idea what the problem may be, you may get lucky searching google using those dmesg messages in the search query
[09:44] <Raspberry> tanner: if I did it again, I'd get a faster processor ... that seems to be the bottleneck
[09:44] <NET||abuse> tanner, are you looking to basically setup a linux based apple tv/tivo appliance?
[09:44] <tanner> Raspberry: in regards to what? hi def playback? or general use?
[09:44] <Raspberry> both
[09:45] <Raspberry> hd playback and commercial flagging
[09:45] <tanner> NET||abuse: sorta, i dont really need it to have a capture card though
[09:45] <NET||abuse> heard a review of something called the popcorn A100 or something.. one sec
[09:45] <Raspberry> it's very slow to transcode shows too
[09:45] <NET||abuse> i'll get a link
[09:45] <tanner> for the most part, i just want something i can send my files *avi, mpg, mkv, etc etc etc to and have it play on my big screen
[09:45] <Raspberry> 4+hrs for a 2hr hockey game
[09:46] <NET||abuse> http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/
[09:46] <Raspberry> tanner: than, up until 0.21 that would work
[09:46] <tanner> Raspberry: if i was going all out, i'd have a dedicated super server as the backend
[09:46] <Raspberry> seems like some funny stuff is going on here with 0.21
[09:46] <tanner> NET||abuse: wow, looks interesting
[09:46] <NET||abuse> yup
[09:46] <NET||abuse> thought so
[09:46] <Raspberry> I think I'm going to build a second box as a front-end and move this backend to the basement right to where the line comes in
[09:47] <Raspberry> then I can slimline my "front-end" upstairs machine
[09:48] <ccooke> Raspberry: heh. I did that this weekend :-)
[09:48] <tanner> NET||abuse: sadly i still want to do it myself :( but this seems rather.. ideal
[09:48] <NET||abuse> tanner, the os that the popcorn thing is all built on is some linux breed, i'm not sure, but it sounds like they support user land tinkering
[09:48] <Raspberry> I guess ... to sum it all up - - Ubuntu had the easiest install of MythTV .. that actually worked :)  and the whole process of tracking, recording and playing back video is a lot more resource intensive then I first anticipated...  I'd think faster processor (2ghz minimum) and at least 2gb of ram
[09:49] <Raspberry> ccooke: better?
[09:49] <NET||abuse> tanner, well, maybe double check that, but the way I heard about it it might be open for re-working parts of it.
[09:49] <ccooke> Raspberry: not as much an improvement as 0.21 was!
[09:49] <Raspberry> yeah 0.21 had lots of nice features
[09:49] <Raspberry> ccooke: are you running off of packages or from source?
[09:49] <tanner> seems interesting
[09:49] <ccooke> packages.
[09:50] <Raspberry> ccooke: the streams package doesn't seem to be updated to .21
[09:50] <ccooke> From source is all very well if you're the only person *using* the system...
[09:50] <Raspberry> my g/f likes the fact that now she can get movie listings and times for local theaters in about 4 -6 button pushes
[09:50] <tanner> I can imagine
[09:50] <ccooke> Raspberry: that doesn't work outside the US, though, which is annoying
[09:51] <ccooke> (it should actually *say* so)
[09:51] <Raspberry> heh
[09:51] <tanner> NET||abuse: seems availability is rather limited
[09:51] <ccooke> Raspberry: My apt sources containst this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu gutsy main
[09:51] <Raspberry> that's where I get mine from too
[09:51] <ccooke> (not running hardy on anything that anyone else depends on, yet)
[09:51] <NET||abuse> tanner, that's the one issue, you gotta get on a waiting list
[09:51] <Smegzor> I want to force a distribution upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04  What do I type in console?
[09:52] <NET||abuse> tanner, just a really interesting looking product, i hope it gets more traction, it's like apple tv, only not drm'd and evil
[09:52] <NET||abuse> i like the fact that they bundle a http,ftp and torrent client in the firmware :)
[09:53] <Raspberry> it'd be nice if MythTV had torrent capabilities
[09:53] <NET||abuse> you know the market they're trying to appeal to...
[09:53] <Raspberry> to share your shows and download others
[09:53] <Raspberry> if I had more time I'd write something like that :)
[09:53] <tanner> NET||abuse: certainly, i'd like to create an integrated solution similar to that, perhaps using one of those small, mini itx boards
[09:53] <NET||abuse> Raspberry, well have a look at the command line torrent clients and some addon app's for myth tv, i'm sure there's a gui page that can be inserted to myth
[09:53] <tanner> no MythTorrent Raspberry?
[09:55] <tanner> someone should build a PCI "encoder" card (for lack of better wording, basically hardware decoding of hi def media and such)
[09:55] <Raspberry> that's a pretty wrap app atm :)
[09:56] <Raspberry> hd isn't encoded
[09:56] <Raspberry> digital tv is raw
[09:56]  * tanner is thinking more along the lines of HDDVD/BluRay
[09:56] <Raspberry> it's the storage that makes it go crazy
[09:57] <tanner> basically i'm talking about a hardware video accelerator
[09:57] <Raspberry> ccooke: since you upgraded to 0.21... are your hd recordings choopy?
[09:57] <Raspberry> choppy
[09:59] <ccooke> Raspberry: No hd recordings :-)
[10:01] <Raspberry> I know it's with MythTV playback because I can play it back over the wire on another PC and it plays fine
[10:02]  * tanner wonders if there are more solutions like the popcorn thingy
[10:05] <rafael> aloha
[10:07] <rafael> i just upgraded to hardy from gutsy. now i get some strange gnome errors and also have no sound "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[10:08] <shemgp> where can i find the hardy-dvd-i386.iso.torrent file for hardy beta?
[10:09] <tanner> rafael: it is almost best to install hardy from scratch until all the bugs are worked out
[10:09] <tanner> shemgp: on the download page
[10:09] <rafael> tanner: but i want to stay with my system
[10:09] <tanner> shemgp: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/  bottom of the page
[10:10] <Raspberry>  tanner: there are other options i think
[10:10] <fromport> "hardy torrent ubuntu.com " in google and feel lucky
[10:10] <tanner> rafael: i understand, just saying that a clean install is less likely to have complications
[10:11] <shemgp> thanks but those are the CDs.. not DVDs
[10:11] <tanner> rafael: also, understand Hardy is still beta software, distro upgrade may produce more bugs than features :)
[10:12] <tanner> shemgp: ? what are you looking for then
[10:12] <shemgp> i found this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ but i don't think it's the beta..
[10:12] <shemgp> tanner: the hardy-dvd-i386.torrent which is for the Beta
[10:12] <tanner> shemgp: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ is the offical page relating the Hardy
[10:12] <tanner> as far as i know there is no dvd specific release...
[10:13] <tanner> what do you think the DVD is going to gain you?
[10:13] <rafael> tanner: i know but i thought this channel is not existing for just telling those phrases to me. i heard that often and i'm clear about the risk. but here i want to ask if someone had the same experience and maybe fixed it already in his system
[10:13] <tanner> nvm
[10:13] <tanner> shemgp: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hardy-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[10:13] <shemgp> tanner: i don't think that's for the beta
[10:13] <TheInfinity> rafael: syslog / alsa log / etc will help
[10:14] <shemgp> the files inside that iso are dated before the beta release.. Jan 8, 2008
[10:16] <shemgp> i'm trying to test whether it's more bandwidth efficient to download the beta DVD using bittorrent when i already had the alpha6 DVD
[10:17] <tanner> shemgp: hard to say
[10:17] <Lynoure> shemgp: not going to be more bandwidth efficient, unless you somehow manage to tell it what parts you have already...
[10:18] <Lynoure> I'm not a torrent expert, so maybe there is some way to say "I have these files, compare them against the torrent and get me what I'm missing", but sounds more like rsync to me :)
[10:18] <tanner> shemgp: i'm still not sure why you need the DVD specific release, is it for the extra packages or?
[10:19] <shemgp> tanner: yes
[10:20] <shemgp> internet is slow here
[10:20] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. i have some issues with ff 3 beta that is default in this ubuntu business :) Can't get foxmarks or firebug for it
[10:20] <shemgp> Lynoure: that's why i'm "testing" it :)
[10:21] <NET||abuse> i've signed up to the foxmarks beta, but even for now, i'd just like to import my foxmarks file into this current firefox instance?
[10:21] <warrendae> hello
[10:21] <tanner> shemgp: hard to really say what will save the you the most bandwidth. however i would imagine that getting the most recent CD iso, and adding packages as needed would be the most efficient
[10:22] <warrendae> i would like to know if in ubuntu we can compare the dev version of ubuntu (in this case hardy) to lenny in debian?
[10:22] <NET||abuse> warrendae, emm, that's rather a massively unspecific question?
[10:23] <warrendae> yeah maybe
[10:23] <warrendae> well lenny is quite stable, is it the case of hardy?
[10:23] <kmaxtor> what new in the new version of ubuntu
[10:23] <shemgp> tanner: yes, but i install it in different computers in different locations
[10:23] <jussi01> kmaxtor: go read the beta release notes in the topic
[10:24] <Lynoure> shemgp: what saves most bandwidth is getting the dvd, burning it, handing it to the person :)
[10:24] <kmaxtor> k im sorry
[10:24] <tanner> shemgp: then get the CD, and carry a flash drive with all the deb packages on it;
[10:24] <kmaxtor> any repositories to update my videocard
[10:25] <tanner> or better yet, get one larger flash drive, install the ubuntu cd to it, and also have the package son the same flash drive
[10:25] <shemgp> anyway, thanks guys.. i thought a developer was here that could fix the torrent file in the site to point to the beta DVD iso
[10:25] <kmaxtor> my video card is nvidia i can't enabled
[10:25] <shemgp> Lynoure: :)
[10:25] <kmaxtor> what i can do to enabled my video card in order to run my compiz
[10:26] <shemgp> tanner: or use aptoncd.. i think the DVDs easier
[10:26] <tanner> kmaxtor: "Envy" can be useful for installing the nvidia drivers
[10:27] <NET||abuse> ok, used firebug alpha, the 1.2 release
[10:27] <NET||abuse> problem is that won't autoupdate for me from mozilla repository no?
[10:27] <NET||abuse> well, that's not a huge issue
[10:28] <NET||abuse> ok,, fox marks,, anyone know how i can download a backup file from foxmarks site without having foxmarks installed?
[10:28] <tanner> know the url to the file?
[10:28] <tanner> ;)
[10:29] <tanner> brb
[10:30] <NET||abuse> there's a url to the foxmarks file for your account?? why is there no bloody link to downoad it from the my.foxmarks.com pag?
[10:32] <tanner_> damn, 3:30 already =(
[10:34] <shockhead> hi folks, anyone know if apt-get has been changed recently to NOT ask for confirmation on upgrades? mine didn't ask... :-(
[10:35] <DistroJockey> shockhead: was it a single package or an upgrade?
[10:35] <shockhead> DistroJockey: an upgrade
[10:35] <shockhead> with ~20 packages to do
[10:35] <DistroJockey> hmm
[10:35] <shockhead> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/733 if it helps
[10:36] <DistroJockey> shockhead: I think I have noticed it randomly decide to ask
[10:37] <shockhead> DistroJockey: hmmm... not good! :-)
[10:37] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not played with it for long yet though
[10:37] <DistroJockey> shockhead: no
[10:38] <shockhead> DistroJockey: what should I do, raise a bug?
[10:39] <KRF> shockhead, use aptitude instead ;)
[10:39] <KRF> its better anyway
[10:39] <DistroJockey> shockhead: I've mostly stuck to Synaptic, only really went to apt-get when it broke, and when I asked apt-get to install a single package with no dependecies, it just did it without asking
[10:40] <DistroJockey> apt-get install gnome-mud   as an example
[10:40] <shockhead> afaik apt-get doesn't ask for packages that are specified, but for dependencies and upgrades it should
[10:41]  * tanner_ seconds shockhead
[10:41] <shockhead> even if aptitude is better ;-) apt-get should still work
[10:43] <kmaxtor> any repositories to update my kubuntu 7 to beta 8
[10:43] <Infecto> hmm can some one tell my why i cant set 32bit on my sda?
[10:43] <Infecto> /dev/sda: IO_support    =  0 (default 16-bit)
[10:43] <Infecto> /dev/sda: setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1 HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument IO_support    =  0 (default 16-bit)
[10:44] <kmaxtor> alpha edition
[10:44] <kmaxtor> how to update into alpha editon
[10:44] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not sure what you mean by: "afaik apt-get doesn't ask for packages that are specified"
[10:45] <shockhead> DistroJockey: if you specify, for example, "apt-get install konqueror" and you dont need any dependencies, then it doesn't ask, since you specified it
[10:45] <shockhead> but if it does need dependencies, then it asks you to confirm the install
[10:45] <shockhead> same for upgrades, usually
[10:45] <jin> I have a problem. My system can't see sda1 and sda2 while gparted can
[10:45] <DistroJockey> shockhead: ahh, I see
[10:46] <tanner_> jin: what do you mean by your system cant see it
[10:46] <shockhead> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/181843
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181843 in apt "[hardy] apt-get doenst ask confirmation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:46] <shockhead> already in the bug database
[10:46] <DistroJockey> shockhead: but what if I typed it wrong and realised too late :) It should ask unless I do maybe a -y
[10:47] <jin> tanner_:  means no sda1 and sda2 in /dev but there is /dev/sda
[10:47] <shockhead> DistroJockey: yeah you have that option
[10:47] <DistroJockey> shockhead: ahh, *nods* :)
[10:47] <tanner_> jin: sounds like a partition issue, does the issue exist in gusty?
[10:47] <shockhead> DistroJockey: you could always do an alias in your .bashrc
[10:47] <jin> tanner_: in gutsy they worked fine
[10:48] <jin> tanner_: they are both ntfs partitions btw
[10:48] <tanner_> interesting
[10:49] <DistroJockey> shockhead: True, but as you said it is a listed bug
[10:49] <shockhead> you think it should *always* confirm?
[10:49] <shockhead> fair enough... better safe than sorry
[10:49] <DistroJockey> shockhead: for newbies sake I do, yes
[10:50] <DistroJockey> shockhead: for me, don't care either way :)
[10:50] <shockhead> i agree though, yeah, makes sense to achieve consistency
[10:50] <tanner_> perhpas the best solution should be a configuration flag in a conf file that determines if it always ask or not
[10:51] <DistroJockey> shockhead: but I also agree that having to confirm is very Windows esc
[10:51] <DistroJockey> shockhead: not that you said that, but...
[10:51] <shockhead> lol
[10:52] <tanner_> the general rule is software should NEVER *assume* what you want..
[10:52] <DistroJockey> default sould be confirm, turn it off if you work out how to :)
[10:52] <DistroJockey> should^
[10:52] <Ng> software assumes what you want all the time ;)
[10:52] <tanner_> indeed
[10:52] <DistroJockey> yep, bad software bad
[10:53]  * tanner_ rolls up news paper
[10:53]  * tanner_ should sleep before we wakes up at 2pm
[10:54] <DistroJockey> but it is good in a known stable predictable senario I guess
[10:54] <shockhead> i think for single package installs though it's not too much of a problem though... it's hard to misspell nautilus so that it reads konqueror!
[10:54] <tanner_> nah, software should never assume something, you should however be able to tell it to stop nagging you =)
[10:54] <shockhead> and if you get the name slightly wrong, it won't work anyway
[10:55] <shockhead> tanner_: true
[10:55] <Lynoure> tanner_: if it never assumed anything, you would not get any kind of UI layout or any keybindings ever
[10:55] <Lynoure> But I'm all for assumptions being easily changed.
[10:55] <shockhead> but you should always be able to change it, right?
[10:55] <DistroJockey> I agree, as per my apt-get install gnome-mud  installing without prompting, if could easily be removed, but when a package installs dependancies anlong with it, those dependancies can't be easily removed
[10:56] <tanner_> Lynoure: there is no assumptions about what keyboard layout you have *set*
[10:56] <jin> tanner_: the hd is ata drive and yet it appears as a sata because it is called sda istead oh hda :\
[10:56] <Lynoure> tanner_: I'd go nuts if I had to specify every layout and keybinding for every app...
[10:56] <tanner_> jin: thats not uncommon as i recall with newer kernel
[10:56] <gluer> if ive installed kde4 on ubuntu how do i select to use it?
[10:57] <tanner_> Lynoure: certainly, however, those keybindings are specifically defined, no assumptions are made
[10:57] <DistroJockey> gluer: At the login screen select Options or Session?
[10:58] <Lynoure> tanner_: not parsing that sentence... layout does not decide the bindings in apps, someone assumes what the average user with that layout will want...
[10:58] <gluer> cheers DJ
[10:58] <DistroJockey> gluer: np
[10:58] <tanner_> Lynoure: however thats not the same as assuming you wish to upgrade a certain package or not.
[10:59] <Lynoure> tanner_: No, I was reacting to your general statement, not a specific case
[10:59] <tanner_> besides, with UI layouts, you get what they decide to give you :-\
[11:00] <tanner_> anyway Lynoure, applications should never assume you want to do something, if that wording makes you feel better.
[11:01] <Lynoure> tanner_: neither of them affected how I felt :)
[11:01] <DistroJockey> tanner_: what if they know better? ;P
[11:02] <tanner_> DistroJockey: then you should unplug your machine ;)
[11:02] <tanner_> before it wont let you ;P
[11:02] <Lynoure> tanner_: But, yes, I find that more agreeable, but some assumptions are still beneficial. Maybe we need universal prompting levels =)
[11:03] <DistroJockey> tanner_: heh, some times they do know better
[11:03] <tanner_> Lynoure: indeed
[11:04] <DistroJockey> sky-net here we come!
[11:04] <tanner_> DistroJockey: of course, however, in such a case where you specify something and the program "knows better" and is sure you wanted something else, it should then prompt to you confirm/offer what it thinks you want to do as a suggestion
[11:04] <DistroJockey> tanner_: agreed
[11:04] <DistroJockey> tanner_: but that's what Vista did
[11:05] <tanner_> now of course, saying something like, apt-get install kde should only install the kde package (and not any dependencies), this is true in a general sense, however as a convince it should install them
[11:05] <DistroJockey> very hard to balance
[11:06] <tanner_> yes indeed
[11:06] <tanner_> it obviously cannot be black and white
[11:06] <DistroJockey> nope
[11:07] <DistroJockey> Linux is way better at it though :)
[11:07] <DistroJockey> balancing that is :)
[11:07] <tanner_> hmm, depends how you look at it i suppose
[11:09] <DistroJockey> the linux community is much better/faster at reacting, which is what is needed to balance IMO :)
[11:09] <tanner_> reacting to what?
[11:09] <DistroJockey> everything
[11:09] <tanner_> well i wouldnt go that far..
[11:10] <tanner_> the community would love for VV support in pidgin, but i have yet to see that actually implemented (in the main branch) ;)
[11:10] <tanner_> i agree in the sense of security patches and vulnerabilities and such
[11:10] <DistroJockey> I don't even know what that is, hehe
[11:11] <tanner_> however, 802.11n support in linux is vastly inferior to that of Windows atm
[11:11] <DistroJockey> agreed
[11:11] <tanner_> VV is voice and video (webcam, calls, etc)
[11:11] <DistroJockey> ahh
[11:12] <tanner_> i mean.. i have a webcam thats just burning a hole through the floor... oh well, no half naked girls for me :(
[11:13] <tanner_> features tend to be more slowly adopted in linux than Windows, depending on what sort of feature it is of course..
[11:14] <DistroJockey> I think that is changing for the better
[11:14] <DistroJockey> With the release of Hardy soon, Linux is going to be very popular
[11:15] <DistroJockey> and the developers are growing all the time
[11:15] <Amaranth> tanner_: that's stubbornness from the pidgin side, from what i can tell
[11:15] <tanner_> there is no widely adopted perfect solution though, so its a trade off at times. for example, my wonderful Canon 600F scanner will likely never work in linux (boycott canon!), even though i knew this buying the device
[11:15] <Amaranth> they are their own little world, not involved with GNOME or Ubuntu or anything else
[11:15] <tanner_> Amaranth: entirely, the code has been around since 2005 with gaim-vv
[11:16] <Amaranth> telepathy seems to be the obvious path to getting support for this
[11:16] <tanner_> DistroJockey: why do you think it will change with Hardy?
[11:16] <DistroJockey> HP are definately the more supported supplier
[11:16] <Amaranth> and hey, it even supports voice for gtalk and i think yahoo
[11:16] <Amaranth> and video for one of them but that's experimental
[11:16] <tanner_> DistroJockey: tell that to my unsuported HP scanner ;) granted now its 4+ years old.. but still...
[11:17] <Amaranth> all printer manufacturers suck :P
[11:17] <DistroJockey> tanner_: I think Hardy is the most polished of the distro's to date (even the beta) and it works very well
[11:17] <Amaranth> brother claims to have open source drivers but it's an open source bit on top of a closed source x86-only bit
[11:17] <tanner_> Amaranth: i disagree, Xerox is highly unix/linux friendly, and my samsung driver cd included all the files required for cups, even an installer. i was very impressed
[11:17] <Amaranth> a _small_ open source bit on top of a _large_ closed source x86-only bit
[11:18] <Amaranth> tanner_: I don't want drivers, I want specs or code
[11:18] <DistroJockey> tanner_: and lots of people have no money now thanks to petrol prices and interest rates
[11:18] <tanner_> Amaranth: ppd and a script which is text readable. nothing more is needed. the specs would be nice for reference but not relevant to linux/unix users
[11:18] <Amaranth> tanner_: with specs or code we can keep it running forever (or at least until no one cares enough to watch over it anymore)
[11:18] <tanner_> specs would be great for say.. me, when it comes time to write custom drives from my custom os :D
[11:19] <Amaranth> tanner_: ah, right, xerox makes real printers that you just feed postscript to
[11:19] <Amaranth> for brother it's a ppd file that uses an lpr driver to communicate with the printer
[11:19] <jin> omg, I have 5 broken package
[11:20] <tanner_> my Samsung CLP-610ND has a ppd and a filter script. and all is well, full color/duplex support =)
[11:20] <Amaranth> jin: welcome to hardy, upgrade again
[11:20] <DistroJockey> If only I could get my Compro T750 DVB to work with Linux.
[11:20] <jin> and it is a fresh install
[11:20] <Amaranth> expect more little blips up until the RC release
[11:20] <tanner_> DistroJockey: most people do not switch to linux as a result of finances
[11:21] <Amaranth> DistroJockey: they can just get windows for free from their nephew
[11:21] <DistroJockey> lol
[11:21] <tanner_> (except typically in SOHO cases)
[11:21] <jin> this beta release is a bit disappointing :(
[11:21] <DistroJockey> tanner_: why do they switch?
[11:21] <DistroJockey> jin: How so?
[11:22] <DistroJockey> ohh
[11:22] <DistroJockey> the broken packages
[11:22] <tanner_> DistroJockey: you'd have to ask them, i imagine some people just get tired of the Windows games (not the actual games mind you)
[11:22] <jin> DistroJockey: when updating system, I get sound drops
[11:22] <DistroJockey> just wait half a day and try again
[11:22] <jin> and yea, broken package after a fresh istall
[11:22] <tanner_> perhaps some are just into trying new things, curiosity, etc
[11:23] <Amaranth> jin: this is still in development, expect more little blips up until the RC release
[11:23] <tanner_> jin, sometimes "broken" packages can be fixed with a "-f" flag to apt-get :)
[11:23] <jin> and it can't detect my two ntfs partitions
[11:23] <DistroJockey> tanner_: Games are all I need Windows for now unfortunately
[11:23] <Amaranth> although the sound thing is tricky, it won't be properly fixed until the next major release of pulseaudio
[11:23] <tanner_> DistroJockey: thats what my console is for =)
[11:23] <DistroJockey> tanner_: heh, don't have one of those ;p
[11:23] <Amaranth> Wii ftw
[11:23] <jin> Amaranth: I definitly will disable pulseaudio when Hardy is released
[11:24] <DistroJockey> tanner_: then again I mostly MUD
[11:24] <tanner_> i enjoy my wii, i however, enjoy my xbox360 a great deal more
[11:24] <Amaranth> oh, and portal but that plays in wine
[11:24] <DistroJockey> tanner_: so I'll live
[11:24] <tanner_> portal on xbox ;) awesome, awesome game
[11:24] <tanner_> DistroJockey: no luck with wine?
[11:25] <DistroJockey> Portal is the MUD client I use on Windows :)
[11:25] <DistroJockey> tanner_: never really tried
[11:25] <jin> I wonder why Ubuntu has included pulseaudio in this (LTS ?) release.
[11:25] <Amaranth> portal on xbox would...suck
[11:25] <jin> pulseaudio is far form stable
[11:25] <Amaranth> do you get the commentary?
[11:25] <jin> from*
[11:26] <Amaranth> jin: pulseaudio is very useful
[11:26] <tanner_> we are speaking of Portal from The Orange Box yes?
[11:26] <Amaranth> tanner_: yes
[11:26] <jin> Amaranth: useful but not ready
[11:26] <tanner_> Amaranth: not sure what you mean by commentary..
[11:26] <Amaranth> tanner_: the PC version has developer commentary after you beat the game
[11:26] <tanner_> jin: even with time it will improve
[11:27] <Amaranth> tanner_: you can go back through the levels and there are little icons you activate and they explain stuff
[11:27] <tanner_> jin: dont forget, improvements can always be added later to the same LTS release
[11:27] <jin> tanner_: yea I'm sure it will but it should not be included in a LTS release
[11:27] <Amaranth> they certainly won't put the next major release of pulseaudio in an LTS update
[11:28] <jin> tanner_: but if ppl read that Hardy is a LTS release, they expect quality , stability
[11:28] <tanner_> i dont see why they shouldnt include it, by doing so, they can test, debug, improve much quicker
[11:28] <J-_> hey Amaranth =)
[11:28] <Amaranth> tanner_: because stable means "doesn't change"
[11:28] <Amaranth> it doesn't mean "works perfectly"
[11:28] <tanner_> jin, with no disrespect to ubuntu, if you really want something stable, Ubuntu should not be your distro of choice
[11:28] <jin> you can't test a software in a LTS release
[11:29] <Amaranth> jin: we've flipped the pulseaudio switch before
[11:29] <Amaranth> backed out because it wasn't ready
[11:29] <jin> and it still isn't
[11:29] <tanner_> Amaranth: there will always be updates, its not as if once 8.04 hits there will be no upgrades/patches/etc till 8.10
[11:29] <Amaranth> but now fedora is using it (probably because redhat employs the developer)
[11:29] <Amaranth> tanner_: critical bugs and security updates
[11:30] <Amaranth> tanner_: no new versions of stuff
[11:30] <jin> yea, but the user expects everything to work fine out of the box :\
[11:30] <Amaranth> least intrusive changes necessary to fix data loss and security bugs
[11:30] <DistroJockey> but if they include it by default, and the next major release is better, why not?
[11:31] <jin> or Ubuntu can include an option not to use pulseaudio..
[11:31] <jin> and a guide how to disable it
[11:31] <tanner_> even if pulse audio has bugs now, they will be patched and included in the LTS eventually. ;/
[11:31] <Amaranth> The only time an older release has every gotten a major new version of an app was when firefox had a big security problem that was really hard to backport
[11:31] <Amaranth> tanner_: not likely
[11:31] <Amaranth> tanner_: the big problem now is fixed by increasing the buffer size
[11:31] <Amaranth> then it works fine for desktop audio but recording and such get broken
[11:32] <jin> tanner_: erm, Hardy will be released in April, not much time left to patch and test
[11:32] <Amaranth> and it'll stay broken for the entire time hardy exists
[11:32] <tanner_> perhaps so.
[11:32] <jin> and I also wonder if Firefox 3 will make it in time for Hardy :\
[11:32] <Amaranth> because the fix requires a change in the alsa API (although that might already be in the hardy kernel) and a major change to the core of the pulseaudio engine
[11:32] <Amaranth> jin: that will be updated later
[11:33] <Amaranth> I love rules that change/bend for random reasons
[11:33] <tanner_> heh
[11:33] <nacer> hi
[11:33] <tanner_> hello
[11:34] <Amaranth> although we're nearly to the point where all firefox 3 releases will be bug fixing, no new features or major changes
[11:34] <nacer> someone have a tips for restaure the default gnome ubuntu theme ?
[11:34] <Amaranth> so i guess it makes sense since we don't want to have a beta for 3 years
[11:34] <Amaranth> nacer: choose the Human theme in the theme picker
[11:34] <tanner_> Konqueror ftw!
[11:34] <tanner_> ;)
[11:34]  * tanner_ hides
[11:34] <Amaranth> konq blows :P
[11:35] <Amaranth> it'll be decent when they finally switch to webkit
[11:35] <nacer> Amaranth, a think its not the official theme
[11:35] <nacer> i am from a upgrade off gusty to hardy
[11:35] <Amaranth> nacer: the theme only changed a little bit
[11:35] <nacer> so i think i have the old one
[11:35] <Amaranth> different wallpaper, small tweaks to the widgets
[11:35] <tanner_> konquerors biggest downfail is the UI, which would benefit from taking cue's from firefox, however konq has always rendered faster with less memory whoring
[11:36] <nacer> ok
[11:36] <nacer> tks
[11:36] <Amaranth> tanner_: have you used firefox 3?
[11:36] <zoli2k> Anyone noticed, that after 2x"CTRL-ALT-D"  sometimes some of the windows simply disappears from desktop if compiz is enabled? After "metacity --replace" the windows are back.
[11:36] <tanner_> Amaranth: i am now, its a nice improvement for sure =)
[11:36] <Amaranth> faster than safari (which is faster than konq)
[11:36] <Lynoure> Which is based on khtml... nice circle
[11:37] <tanner_> indeed
[11:37] <Amaranth> but khtml doesn't do as much and is slower :P
[11:38] <DistroJockey> zoli2k: maybe this is a GART issue?
[11:38] <tanner_> hmm
[11:38] <Amaranth> zoli2k: this sounds like a gutsy issue
[11:39] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to get my usb ports working here, http://www.pastebin.org/25237 that's my dmesg output, the only place where any messages are appearing , ther's nothing seemingly relevant in /var/log/messages||syslog||dmesg||dmesg.0   so i'm not sure what i should do at this point,
[11:39] <Amaranth> you're using the showdesktop plugin so it looks like OS X and windows sometimes disappear, right?
[11:39] <DistroJockey> Amaranth: was thinking that too :)
[11:39] <NET||abuse> that log is from plugging in various usb devices, i've confirmed that one is definately working
[11:39] <Amaranth> that was a problem in gutsy but i've been using the showdesktop plugin since i closed that bug report and haven't been able to reproduce once
[11:40] <Amaranth> and iirc upstream says they fixed it
[11:40] <NET||abuse> the other is a 2.5" that's giving trouble (it corrupted my gutsy install) i'm trying a usb sata/ide adaptor cable to try and recover data from that drive
[11:40] <zoli2k> Amaranth: I had the same problem on Gutsy, but I am experiencing the same problem on Hardy.
[11:40] <tanner_> NET||abuse: if the issue is not present in gusty and you can confirm that, it is likely the driver, else its the hub
[11:40] <Amaranth> zoli2k: then i guess it's a good thing we don't have showdesktop by default :)
[11:40] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i had pretty similar issues with my usb hub under gutsy also
[11:40] <tanner_> and if its none of those its the device itself
[11:41] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i think it maybe the driver, as others reporting similar problems
[11:41] <jin> is there gonna be another beta release of Hardy?
[11:41] <Amaranth> no
[11:41] <Amaranth> next release is RC
[11:41] <tanner_> NET||abuse: it is unlikely the driver would break significantly. its likely the device
[11:41] <DistroJockey> zoli2k: Might be worth looking in the BIOS and increasing the AGP aperture a bit
[11:42] <jin> Can I use the Hardy kernel in Gutsy?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i remember getting a suggestion to remove a certain driver from the kernel modules to get a usb device running, an ipod was in question, i think it was to remove ehci-hcd
[11:42] <tanner_> NET||abuse: perhaps unloading all the usb modules and reloading them
[11:42] <jin> my wireless wrks perfect in Hardy but not Gutsy
[11:42] <tanner_> jin: what card?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> or something, i run modprobe -l | grep usb/host and get a series. of uhci-hcd|ehci-hcd|ohci-hcd and stuff, where can i find information on what these module are for?
[11:42] <jin> tanner_: duunno, it is based on the RT61 ralink chip
[11:43] <mrtimdog> Got a (probably) really silly problem here. If I set my PATH to "/home/user/bin:/usr/bin:/bin" and /home/user/bin contains a executable script which also exists in /usr/bin, the one in /home/tjones/bin should be found and not the one in /usr/bin. But it's only finding the one in /usr/bin. All permissions are correct...?
[11:43] <NET||abuse> tanner_, what method should i use for unloading/reloading the modules?
[11:43] <jin> tanner_: 04:08.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
[11:43] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: did you open a new terminal after setting this? bash caches path info for performance reasons
[11:43] <tanner_> NET||abuse: from kernel source, should be readme's and such relating to each driver at various places, also if you look at the module in make menuconfig it should give you a small description
[11:43] <jin> NET||abuse: rmmod and modprobe
[11:44] <tanner_> NET||abuse: rmmod <module>; modprobe <module>
[11:44] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: open a new terminal if you set it permanently or run 'bash' to get a new instance if you set it for the current session only
[11:44] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: Hi. Yes, I've even restarted to try make sure all is fresh.
[11:44] <Amaranth> weird
[11:44] <jin> any chance to use the Hardy kernel with Gutsy?
[11:44] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: whereis <binary>
[11:45] <Amaranth> jin: it might work but you're completely on your own there
[11:45]  * tanner_ seconds Amaranth
[11:45] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: That's what I was using to find out which one it was using. It always shows the one in /usr/bin only.
[11:45] <NET||abuse> jin, tanner_: when i run sudo rmmod uhci-hcd; modprobe -l | grep /usb/host; i still get the uchi-hcd module listed, it isn't being removed
[11:45] <jin> the crackling sound is pissing me off
[11:46] <tanner_> jin: you could, though support may be flaky; you'd be better off grabbing a kernel from kernel.org, or the kernel source from the repos for hardy and compiling it on the gusty system
[11:46] <mrtimdog> Amaranth: I have other scripts in the same bin dir, and only there, and they're found no probs.
[11:46] <NET||abuse> jin, tanner_: i've also tried "sudo modprobe -r uhci-hcd;"
[11:46] <tanner_> NET||abuse: rmmod -f uhci-hcd
[11:46] <mrtimdog> Is there a bash cache which is persistent anywhere?
[11:46] <tanner_> *warning* forced module unloading may hang system :)
[11:46] <NET||abuse> tanner_, then to re-add the module is just modprobe -i uhci-hcd ?
[11:46] <Amaranth> mrtimdog: no
[11:47] <tanner_> NET||abuse: just modprobe will suffice
[11:47] <NET||abuse> tanner_, yeh, rmmod -f uhci-hcd; says no such file or dir.
[11:47] <tanner_> NET||abuse: then the module isnt loaded
[11:47] <tanner_> confirm with lsmod
[11:48] <evan_> hey who can help me my alsa wont get to work i installed both deb and source all those go without error but i cant get any sound but systemsound..... i cant open programs like volume-management and alsamixer.... lspci detects my card but aplay -l wont ... anyone any options?
[11:48] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: There is a Terminal cache somewhere though
[11:48] <mrtimdog> DistroJockey: Terminal cache?
[11:48] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: Gnome Terminal
[11:48] <tanner_> mrtimdog: you mean scrollback buffer?
[11:48] <jin> evan_: look like our sound works, just go the volume control and play with the settings
[11:49] <evan_> Jin no i wont detect my card
[11:49] <jin> evan_: what card u got/
[11:49] <jin> ?
[11:49] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: close the terminal and reopen it and it remembers what you typed last time
[11:49] <mrtimdog> No, same problem in xterm. Seems to be with my shell.
[11:49] <evan_> Jin --> Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
[11:49] <mrtimdog> DistroJockey: No, it's nothing to do with the shell history.
[11:49] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ok,, i've done that, still no joy getting it to work, http://www.pastebin.org/25238 this is when i plug in my usb mouse,
[11:50] <jin> evan_: and you installed alsa form source?
[11:50] <jin> from*
[11:50] <DistroJockey> mrtimdog: k, sorry that's all I know there
[11:50] <tanner_> NET||abuse: i think your usb controller hub is faulty
[11:50] <jin> evan_: I happen to have the same card 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[11:50] <evan_> Jin both sorces in repo and from the alsa site
[11:50] <jin> almost :D
[11:51] <NET||abuse> tanner_, really,, damnit.. i'm really up a creek then i guess
[11:51] <evan_> :P
[11:51] <tanner_> NET||abuse: perhaps not "faulty" in a hardware sense
[11:51] <jin> evan_: fresh install or upgrade from gutsy?
[11:51] <evan_> Jin install
[11:51] <evan_> it worked yesterday
[11:51] <tanner_> however it may be out of spec requiring a special work around, no way to really tell
[11:51] <NET||abuse> tanner_, oh? how do you mean?
[11:51] <jin> evan, okay, open the volume control
[11:52] <jin> then Edit -> Preferences
[11:52] <jin> check surround , duplicate front , pcm
[11:52] <tanner_> NET||abuse: if it works in gusty but not hardy then there could be any number of reasons why, including possible changes to the usb architecture and or drivers
[11:53] <tanner_> NET||abuse: what is your machine?
[11:53] <jin> evan_: after that, go to the Switches tab on the volume control window and check Duplicate Front
[11:53] <evan_> Jin it isnt there anymore
[11:53] <NET||abuse> tanner_, it's a hp nx6110 laptop
[11:53] <jin> evan_: the duplicate front option?
[11:53] <tanner_> NET||abuse: amd or intel?
[11:53] <NET||abuse> tanner_, intel celeron 1.4Ghz
[11:53] <evan_> Jin no the whole volume controll
[11:53] <tanner_> damn, was hoping you'd say amd ;)
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, hehe, why?
[11:54] <tanner_> no particular reason, just to be an ass :D
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, my desktop at home which is 1 years and 3 months old and is having faulty issues is amd 3800+
[11:54] <jin> evan_: you mean the volume icon on the panel?
[11:54] <tanner_> it could be the controller then, i recall my thinkpad t40 having a similar issue
[11:54] <evan_> yeah
[11:54] <NET||abuse> tanner_, x64 dual core
[11:54] <evan_> Jin ill install the deb first thenn ill have it again
[11:55] <NET||abuse> tanner_, controller? in what sense is it the possible cause? a driver controller or is this a real hardware balls up?
[11:55] <jin> evan_: you can add it by righ clicking on the panel and add to panel
[11:55] <jin> or run gnome-volume-control
[11:55] <tanner_> NET||abuse: does it work in windows that you are aware of recently? could be either or, or both hardware and software.
[11:56] <evan_> Jin i get an error while opening it
[11:56] <tanner_> NET||abuse: what is the output of lsusb -vv with the mouse plugged in
[11:56] <jin> evan_: do so, and fater that,, check duplicate front and make sure allthe under volume bars are set at full and not muted
[11:56] <jin> evan_: what error?
[11:57] <evan_> it says translated into english "no volume rules and/or machines for gstreamer found"
[11:57] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i don't have a windows install, no space on the disk, i need all 120GB for linux :) one sec i'll do the lsusb -vv
[11:58] <jin> evan_: go to System -> Preferences -> SOund
[11:58] <tanner_> NET||abuse: hell it could be a bios bug :-\ does the issue exist after a reboot?
[11:58] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ok, here's the sudo lssub -vv output, only the mouse is plugged in at present.. http://www.pastebin.org/25240
[11:58] <jin> on the SOunds tab, is Enable Software sound mixing checked
[11:58] <jin> ?
[11:58] <jin> NET||abuse: what is the problem?
[11:59] <evan_> Jin yes its checked
[11:59] <jin> evan_: run lsmod | grep snd  does that give anything back?
[12:00] <NET||abuse> tanner_, ;i was having usb failures during use with gutsy before, and it would just stop working after a short while, a reboot often fixed the issue,
[12:00] <jin> it should give you a lit of modules
[12:00] <evan_> jin nothing
[12:00] <elmoj> hi
[12:00] <tanner_> NET||abuse: lsusb does not show any entrys for your mouse?
[12:00] <jin> evan_: so no sound modules loaded it seems
[12:00] <NET||abuse> tanner_, jin: for a short while before and since my drive swap/hardy beta install (had a mechanical spindel failure in the previous 160GB drive) I havn't had any luck with usb connection at all now.. i must reboot and test a bit..
[12:00] <tanner_> NET||abuse: i would guess at a BIOS and/or driver issue
[12:00] <jin> evan_: reinstall alsa via synaptic
[12:01] <evan_> Jin i already did that for like 5 times :P
[12:01] <NET||abuse> tanner_, basically what modules, your usb host controllers are in lsmod list at the moment?
[12:01] <jin> evan_: after reinstall, just restart and check the duplicate front thing. should work
[12:01] <tanner_> NET||abuse: sorry i am unable to assist you further, however i must pass out now =)
[12:02] <elmoj> has someone problems with guidance-backend and python-gobject packets in hardy?
[12:02] <tanner_> NET||abuse: uhci-hcd, ehci-hcd are the host controller modules i believe
[12:02] <evan_> Jin must i restart my pc?
[12:02] <NET||abuse> tanner_, hehe, ok
[12:02] <jin> evan_: to be sure, yes
[12:02] <NET||abuse> tanner_, i see ohci-hcd in my modprobe -l | grep usb/host
[12:02] <evan_> that can be it !
[12:03] <tanner_> NET||abuse: ohci as i recall is the original along with uhci
[12:03] <tanner_> NET||abuse: google the modules and im sure you can find otu specifically what they pretain to
[12:04] <jin> NET||abuse: does it work on windows?
[12:04] <jin> looks like a hardware problem
[12:04] <NET||abuse> jin, unfortunately i've no windows installation to compare with
[12:05] <NET||abuse> jin, i'm a little frustrated with linux hardware support, i really was hoping it would be as good or better than windows by now :(
[12:05]  * tanner_ is out
[12:05] <tanner_> night all.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> tanner_, thanks for your help
[12:05] <NET||abuse> tanner_, have a good sleep :)
[12:05] <elkbuntu> NET||abuse, has your usb been like this for a while?
[12:05] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, yes absolutely, months
[12:06] <jin> NET||abuse: try to google for your mobo model + ubuntu ot Linux ;)
[12:06] <tanner_> NET||abuse: the issue isnt about linux hardware support, it is more likely the the controller hardware is faulty that require a workaround driver (produced specifically by the vendor)
[12:06] <jin> some one probably has had this problem before
[12:06] <evan_> Hey Jin it works after restarting !
[12:06] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, well, i had a previous machine which had motherboard death (my mother spilled a pint of water over it and then tried to boot it up repeatedly,, dang it)
[12:06] <jin> evan_: glad it does :)
[12:06] <evan_> :D
[12:06] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:06] <evan_> Jin do you know mtpfs?
[12:06] <jin> evan_: nope
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, so i took the drive and stuck it into this laptop,, a hp nx6110,
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, have been having intermittent usb issues ever since.
[12:07] <evan_> Jin then i hope someone else does :D
[12:07] <evan_> who works with mtpfs?
[12:07] <NET||abuse> elkbuntu, and now haven't had any usb access for a while,
[12:07] <elkbuntu> NET||abuse, damn. no idea then, sorry
[12:07] <NET||abuse> jin, elkbuntu, tanner_: ok, i'm gonna reboot and see if i get my mouse to work even momentarily.. #
[12:08] <jin> g'luck
[12:08] <evan_> succes
[12:08] <NET||abuse> cheers ;)
[12:11] <jin> I can't stand the crackling sound any more
[12:11] <jin> I'm gonna install Gutsy
[12:11] <Infecto> by sie zrobilo tak ze czlowieka by ciagali bo podejzenai ze wyludza :) /
[12:11] <Infecto> sry
[12:11] <Infecto> jin: ke?
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: what for
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: upgrade alsa
[12:12] <Infecto> jin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[12:14] <blackest> Hi I have problems with the new Xorg my screen isn't detected and its resolution isnt available to set manually
[12:18] <gatestone> What is the best way to read kernel documentation? Install the source? Browse somewhere like http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/kernel-docs.txt? Read which book?
[12:19] <Infecto> gatestone: what you wana to do?
[12:19] <gatestone> Start kernel hacking, and general Linux develoment work...
[12:19] <nox-Hand> Is there  a way to get a colour variation on the human-murrine theme?
[12:19] <gatestone> Infecto: I want to start kernel hacking, and general Linux develoment work...
[12:20] <gatestone> Right now, I want to understand the process system
[12:20] <Infecto> i`m not a kernel hacker, but if i will be on your place i will read change log of this part source tree
[12:21] <Infecto> and se how it grow
[12:21] <evan_> Jin lol youve got sound problems too?
[12:21] <Infecto> yep, dl the src and try to read it.
[12:21] <Infecto> evan_: i paste solution for many problems.
[12:23] <oxigen> what do i need to install to play audio CD in Totem?
[12:23] <evan_> Infecto, ?
[12:23] <oxigen> The playback of this movie requires a Audio CD source plugin which is not installed.
[12:23] <gatestone> Infecto, should you not start with docs, only then go to source?
[12:24] <HardyOne> is alsa-base the correct package to install if alsa is not installed on my system?
[12:24] <gatestone> Infecto, Reading the kernel source without reading documentation first seems like hard work to me ;-)
[12:24] <HardyOne> apt-cache policy alsa
[12:24] <HardyOne> alsa:
[12:24] <HardyOne>   Installed: (none)
[12:24] <HardyOne>   Candidate: (none)
[12:25] <Infecto> gatestone: doc read is normal :) ofc.
[12:25] <oxigen> why this totem doesn't thing play by default? why is it here then?
[12:25] <oxigen> lame :)
[12:25] <HardyOne> oxigen, what does it not play?
[12:25] <oxigen> audio cd
[12:26] <HardyOne> you need to install w32codecs
[12:26] <oxigen> in on 64bit
[12:26] <HardyOne> !w32codecs
[12:26] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:26] <HardyOne> ok w64codecs
[12:26] <Infecto> HardyOne: 64bit :)
[12:26] <HardyOne> !w64codecs
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <HardyOne> it is in medibuntu repo
[12:26] <oxigen> hmm
[12:26] <HardyOne> !medibuntu
[12:26] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[12:27] <oxigen> doh
[12:29]  * oxigen hate this copyright crap
[12:29] <zumi> hi
[12:30] <oxigen> i mean i buy all this cd's to hide them now? c'mon
[12:30] <HardyOne> hide them?
[12:30] <oxigen> or why i cant play them FREE?
[12:31] <NET||abuse> Hey guyys, back now, rebooted, logged in, immediately tails syslog, messages, dmesg, dmesg.0 and opened second console tab to hit dmesg command (i find other stuff in there that's not in /var/log/dmesg|dmesg.0, it's weird) anyway, took a bog standard usb stick, checked it works on a working windows laptop here, then plugged into my laptop,, here's the outputs from syslog and the dmesg command output, http://www.pastebin.org/25244
[12:31] <NET||abuse> can anyone suggest any other course of action or is my drivers/firmware/hardware just fried? am i up a creek for sure?
[12:31] <HardyOne> oxigen, because the codecs needed to play them are not free . they are part of windows programs that are not allowed to be redistributed. blame microsoft and the software companies who make programs for windows only
[12:32] <zumi> I hope you can give me some pointers: I'm trying to upgrade to Hardy, but I seems to get unresolvable dependency:
[12:32] <zumi> libgnomekbd1: Depends: libgnomekbd-common (= 2.20.0-1) but 2.22.0-1 is to be installed.
[12:32] <zumi> and as I see, there's no 2.22.x package from libgnomekbd1 in hardy
[12:32] <HardyOne> zumi, install that depend and try again
[12:33] <HardyOne> ahhh
[12:33] <oxigen> HardyOne: yes, i know, i'm just pissed & tired of this 'laws'.. :/
[12:34] <remu> hey guys, i just installed the beta last night, and opened an mp3 to play, it tells me to download the codecs, and i installed both of them, it however does not play, and does not give me an error, the slider just doesnt move, and the time doesnt change, i was going to report this is a bug, but i wanted to make sure that that is what it was before i reported it, and incase someone knows how i can fix this issue
[12:34] <HardyOne> oxigen, you can always go back to windows where mp3's just play
[12:34] <oxigen> :)
[12:34] <oxigen> HardyOne: i was on VAX before
[12:34] <HardyOne> !mp3 | remu
[12:34] <ubotu> remu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:35] <remu> !mp3
[12:35] <remu> i installed the restricted extras
[12:35] <remu> still same problem though, so thats why i came here
[12:37] <remu> anyideas?
[12:39] <HardyOne> !w32codecs | remu
[12:39] <ubotu> remu: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:39] <Infecto> remu: sound work? in other aplications?
[12:39] <remu> installed those, aptitude couldn't find them
[12:39] <remu> yea, i can play the mp3 in vlc
[12:39] <marlun> What is the best way to have 2-way sync with Evolution and Google Calendar?
[12:39] <remu> im on amd64
[12:40] <HardyOne> !medibuntu | remu go here and install w64codecs
[12:40] <ubotu> remu go here and install w64codecs: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[12:40] <HardyOne> remu, did you install ubuntu 32 bit or 64 bit?
[12:41] <remu> rythmbox recognizes all the mp3s, as does movie player, however when i click play, it says playing, but the slider and timer count dont move at all, and theres no sound
[12:42] <remu> i installed the 64bit
[12:42] <remu> i tried installed w64codecs, it said it couldnt find the package
[12:43] <HardyOne> remu, from the medibuntu repos?
[12:43] <HardyOne> you need to go to that site and follow the instructions
[12:43] <remu> for medibuntu, i should just use the gutsy version?
[12:43] <HardyOne> remu, yes
[12:43] <remu> thanks
[12:45] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm.. no matter what I seem to do my keyboard layout stays at the US layout...  must check launchpad
[12:46] <luddite> i have a ubuntu gusty to ubuntu heron lan working. they can ping each other and can see each others apache webpages. But the PC without the USB cable connection(heron) cant get onto the internet.
[12:46] <luddite> do i have to had default routes?
[12:46] <Infecto> strange
[12:47] <Infecto> my cd rom from time to time open
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> free coffee holder
[12:47] <Infecto> by him self
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[12:47] <Paddy_EIRE> Infecto: do you still perhaps use the cd-rom as a repo??
[12:48] <remu> HardyOne: I followed the medibuntu instructions, still running into the same problem
[12:48] <Infecto> no i dont
[12:48] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm.. that is odd
[12:49] <Paddy_EIRE> googled it
[12:49] <remu> HardyOne: I followed the medibuntu instructions, still running the same problem
[12:49] <HardyOne> remu, dont know what to tell you. I am having major sound issues myself here :/
[12:50] <remu> sorry to hear that
[12:50] <HardyOne> thanks
[12:50] <remu> my sound issues were solved from gutsy were solved in hardy, but now mp3 playback is giving me heck, haha
[12:50] <oxigen> where is hardy sources list on medibuntu.org?
[12:50] <_Angelus_> guys
[12:51] <_Angelus_> somebody had problems burning the kubuntu-alternate cd image?
[12:51] <_Angelus_> of hard
[12:51] <_Angelus_> *hardy
[12:51] <remu> i could always just convert the mp3s to an open standard
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> Ha! nice one, GPU throttling works great with an ati xpress 1100... I now get about 35-45 extra mins!!!
[12:51] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, yes told me the iso file was not compliant or some such
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> brightness down and cou freq scaling also mind
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> *cpu
[12:51] <_Angelus_> hte md5sum is good
[12:52] <_Angelus_> but i  just throwed 5 cds away
[12:52] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, the kde4 mix correct?
[12:52] <_Angelus_> i dunno if its the cds, the burner, or hardy
[12:52] <_Angelus_> nope
[12:52] <_Angelus_> kde3
[12:52] <luddite> hi - i cant get my heron box(latest alpha) to connect to internet via my gusty box.
[12:52] <luddite> any help would be appreciated
[12:53] <HardyOne> _Angelus_, try #kubuntu see if they know
[12:54] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, :) happy for ya
[12:56] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: none of the nvidia drivers support GPU throttling on linux at all... so I suppose thats something
[12:56] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, indeed. but is it really worth the hassle for 45 minutes
[12:56] <HardyOne> guess it is yeah
[12:57] <Paddy_EIRE> err... HardyOne yes and zero hassle :P
[12:57] <remu> HardyOne: so I converted one mp3 to ogg and still the same issue, makes me thing that the problem is with gstreamer....i think
[12:57] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: I take it you're not a laptop owner/user
[12:57]  * HardyOne doesnt use the battery much on this laptop so it  does not make a difference to me 
[12:57] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE,  I am just keep it plugged in
[12:58] <HardyOne> dont have wireless working on it so I cant go far lol
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: also prolongs the life of the chipset.. reduced heat is always a good thing... I would have jumped hoops for this anyhow :)
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: killing your battery I take it
[12:58] <HardyOne> is it?
[12:58] <Paddy_EIRE> 1 sec
[12:59] <oxigen> where is hardy sources list on medibuntu.org?
[12:59] <HardyOne> oxigen, use gutsy
[12:59] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: hmm.. there are several hundreds of pages on the subject
[12:59] <HardyOne> there is no hardy source yet
[12:59] <oxigen> HardyOne: ok, thanks
[13:00] <Paddy_EIRE> HardyOne: although I cant find the ubuntu forum sticky
[13:00] <HardyOne> Paddy_EIRE, ok will take your word for it and unplug for a while :)
[13:00] <Infecto> [ 1852.896693] wlan0: switched to long barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)
[13:00] <Infecto> [ 1854.811124] wlan0: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)
[13:00] <HardyOne> on battery now
[13:00] <Infecto> i have a loot of this in my dmesg
[13:00] <Infecto> i have a loot of this in my dmesg any idesa?
[13:00] <HardyOne> 96%
[13:01] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah whats your capacity stand at?
[13:01] <HardyOne> hmm dont know
[13:02] <HardyOne> I am new to laptops
[13:03] <HardyOne> well I have to get to work
[13:03] <HardyOne> have a good day
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: What do you mean about not supporting gpu throttling - powermizer works fine on my laptop
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: not natively within the nvidia drivers though ;)
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: er it does
[13:04] <h3sp4wn> its part of them
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> must be very new :/
[13:04] <Paddy_EIRE> well I suppose it is.. :P
[13:05] <Paddy_EIRE> +1
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> PowerMizer Information - adaptive clocking
[13:05] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: yours is adaptive..
[13:05] <Finnish> Is anyone running bluetooth succesfully in beta?
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> Finnish: bluetooth has never worked for me on this lappy
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> :(
[13:06] <Paddy_EIRE> although it shows an icon on the sys tray
[13:07] <Finnish> Paddy_EIRE: My lappy refused to work with BT-USB-dongle, I couldn't get even the icon to appear. Same dongle is working fine in this 7.10-desktop
[13:08] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: you seem to be unique... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290363
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> That post is from say 1.5 years ago
[13:10] <Paddy_EIRE> I had a more modern one... damn del.icio.us
[13:10] <Paddy_EIRE> duplicates galore
[13:10] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why its enabled for me when I am on AC though
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> same with cpu frequency scaling - its as if the hardware is not even designed to run on full speed anymore
[13:11] <Paddy_EIRE> ahh.. perhaps your cpu frequency scaling governs have a say on how gpu throttling is handled h3sp4wn
[13:11] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> I know how to enable it
[13:12] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to the network even when it is connected
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> (and change the settings)
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> don't know anything more about powermizer than is in nvidia-settings
[13:13] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: if you add the freq scaling applet to your panel on gnome then you will need to execute 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets' in order for permissions to work correctly
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> No it doesn't affect it at all (totally seperate)
[13:14] <Paddy_EIRE> IMO kde handles that much better.... OTB
[13:15] <Davo_Dinkum> Will the latest hardy iso be on a local mirror or should I download it from Ubuntu's mirror?
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> the latest daily build i mean
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: I would get the beta from a fast mirror
[13:16] <Hobbsee> dailies don't tend to get mirrored
[13:16] <Hobbsee> but, dailies probably won't work, either
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> im just using it to dist-upgrade from dapper and file bug reports
[13:16] <Davo_Dinkum> presuming i can dist-upgrade from a CD
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> only with the alternative
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> and presuming you don't have anything not on the cd to break igt
[13:17] <AnAnt> where can I get linux-image-2.6.24-11 deb files ?
[13:17] <Davo_Dinkum> oh so if i use the desktop cd i cant do dist-upgrade?
[13:17] <Davo_Dinkum> *from a cd
[13:18] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: How are you intending to do it ? just with apt-get by itself ?
[13:18] <Davo_Dinkum> yeah probably apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:18] <h3sp4wn> There is (nearly) no deb's on the desktop cd
[13:19] <Davo_Dinkum> unless i can stick in a hardy cd and tell it to dist-upgrade from that
[13:19] <h3sp4wn> Actually get the server cd
[13:19] <Davo_Dinkum> really?
[13:19] <Paddy_EIRE> or the alternate
[13:19] <m1r> hello
[13:19] <Paddy_EIRE> cake
[13:20] <h3sp4wn> Davo_Dinkum: I guess thats the only on that really needs to work
[13:20] <Davo_Dinkum> what is?
[13:20] <Davo_Dinkum> but the server cd is different from the desktop cd, so wouldnt it produce different bugs?
[13:21] <m1r> is there any list where i can see what MFP printers HH supports fully ?
[13:21] <h3sp4wn> Possibly but who on a desktop would be upgrading direct from dapper -> hardy
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> someone might
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> thus testing and bug reporting is required
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> seeing as both are LTS releases
[13:21] <Paddy_EIRE> lts to lts makes perfect sense h3sp4wn
[13:21] <Davo_Dinkum> nod
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> In theory in practice I think its unlikely
[13:22] <Davo_Dinkum> so with the desktop cd, i cant dist-upgrade to hardy from a hardy cd?
[13:23] <Paddy_EIRE> that does not bode well for canonical then h3sp4wn given its the principal of the operation
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> And with a full network of people - it would be just reimaged
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> No one would actually do the upgrade on all of them
[13:24] <Davo_Dinkum> so with the desktop cd, i cant dist-upgrade to hardy from a hardy cd? <- anyone?
[13:24] <m1r> Davo_Dinkum: u need alternate cd
[13:24] <Davo_Dinkum> ok
[13:24] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: but I guess that could be very true... also dell only officially support LTS releases
[13:25] <Davo_Dinkum> dell is shipping dapper? heh
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: On servers ?
[13:25] <h3sp4wn> (There was someone in here with a dell supplied gutsy a few weeks ago)
[13:26] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: across any dell comp server or not its lts only
[13:26] <Paddy_EIRE> so If you paid for the Dell/canonical deal you loose big time if you are unable to LTS to LTS
[13:27] <Davo_Dinkum> is dell only selling ubuntu boxes to the US?
[13:27] <Paddy_EIRE> Davo_Dinkum: nope over here to
[13:27] <Davo_Dinkum> here is canada?
[13:28] <Paddy_EIRE> here is EIRE (Ireland) :)
[13:28] <Davo_Dinkum> lol ok
[13:28] <Davo_Dinkum> then why are you in #ubuntu-uk? :p
[13:30] <Paddy_EIRE> Davo_Dinkum: north of Ireland
[13:33] <jamalf> I'm confused... the back button on FF3 on Hardy Heron is not there... Is there a way to enable it?
[13:33] <Paddy_EIRE> jamalf: ahh yes it is.. did you remove it...
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> right click any toolbar icon in firefox and choose customise
[13:34] <jamalf> Paddy_EIRE, I don't think I did... I had 7.10 and upgraded to the Hardy beta using the update-manager.
[13:34] <jamalf> Paddy_EIRE, OH RIGHT. Thanks :)
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> sure
[13:34] <jamalf> I forgot about that... Haha thx
[13:34] <Paddy_EIRE> no probs man
[13:35] <Peter-> Hi !
[13:35] <Peter-> Does anyone know what is the problem. I launched urban terror (game). I played for while. It crashed. I shutted pc down. Now i launch it, it doesnt have any sounds. I have Ubuntu Hardy.
[13:35] <h3sp4wn> jamalf: You can reset it again also to the defaults
[13:36] <jamalf> h3sp4wn, yeah i saw that... thanks :)
[13:36] <h3sp4wn> Its wierd because I dunno if those actually are the defaults anymore
[13:36] <h3sp4wn> (At least on Windows Firefox 3 the defaults are very different)
[13:37] <Peter-> Does anyone have any idea? ;S
[13:37] <jamalf> h3sp4wn, haha really? interesting
[13:38] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=733754&highlight=dell+lts
[13:41] <h3sp4wn> Paddy_EIRE: Why believe anything written on there ? So much bad advice
[13:41] <jin> what is the command to wait X seconds before executing another command?
[13:41] <Paddy_EIRE> h3sp4wn: as its just a poll the facts still remain
[13:41] <Paddy_EIRE> :/
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> All I know is someone said to me in here dell provided them with gutsy
[13:42] <h3sp4wn> No reason to think they lied to me
[13:42] <Pici> jin: sleep
[13:43] <Lamego> jin, sleep ?
[13:44] <jin> sleep 5 & cmd  ?
[13:44] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[13:44] <jin> wait 5 seconds then execute cmd?
[13:44] <Peter-> Does anyone know what is the problem. I launched urban terror (game). I played for while. It crashed. I shutted pc down. Now i launch it, it doesnt have any sounds. I have Ubuntu Hardy.
[13:45] <jin> Peter-: try to exit all other programs that are using your sound card
[13:45] <Peter-> jin: Okay.
[13:54] <hwilde> pretty quiet in here
[13:54] <hwilde> do we have to wait 30 days?
[13:54] <hwilde> 8.04 is good to go :)
[13:54] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah... guess everyone's either filling bug reports or getting drunk... Hurray for drunken bug reports!!!
[13:55] <hwilde> are you irish?
[13:56] <jin> hwilde: no, hardy is far from ready . not for me :(
[14:00] <spiderfire> lol
[14:01] <spiderfire> drunken bug reports
[14:01] <hwilde> what's irish and sit's out on hte porch ALL NIGHT
[14:01] <W8TAH> i just installed heron on my laptop last night -- is there a way that i can help the development? ive not hit any unknown bugs yet
[14:01] <spiderfire> may i suggest pina colloda inspired bug reports. mmmmm
[14:01] <hwilde> see I tolja its ready :)  no bugs yet
[14:02] <W8TAH> notice i said no UNKNOWN bugs -- LOL
[14:03] <rinaldi_> man, 5 broken packages?
[14:04] <TheInfinity> rinaldi_: betas are also known as "welcome to dependency hell" ;)
[14:04] <rinaldi_> TheInfinity: yep, can see that
[14:05] <buttterz> adinc , hello i have an update
[14:05] <adinc> buttterz: cool
[14:06] <adinc> buttterz: i'm unfortunately at work, so i'll only be able to make use of your package when i'm at home
[14:06] <buttterz> adinc , well there is some weird licenseing stuff
[14:06] <adinc> buttterz: i thank you in the name of all truecrypt users
[14:06] <buttterz> adinc , were you talking with a dev about this?
[14:06] <buttterz> or another dev i should say -- so i can refer back to that
[14:07] <ryanov> Anyone else using BioAPI and KDM and having it crash KDM now?
[14:07] <adinc> buttterz: no, some users were aasking about truecrypt yesterday
[14:07] <ryanov> After the upgrade, things worked OK. Come to think of it, a lot of bitching in the syslog caused me to install scim, and I think it stopped working right after that.
[14:07] <adinc> not yet, but i wouldn't even know where to ask for it at ubuntu
[14:08] <ryanov> But now I hit enter as normal to bring up the fingerprint prompt, and KDM crashes to a text mode screen. Does not restart itself.
[14:08] <rinaldi_> TheInfinity: there is also a 404 with the mplayer update dammit
[14:09] <mindframe-> im running 7.10 and whenever i update-manager --devel-release / check, it doesn't give the option to upgrade to 8.04
[14:09] <Hobbsee> mindframe-: did you enable -proposed?
[14:10] <bhsx> hi, i just installed hardy on a t60 and need some help setting up WEP....  i dont see where to enter the key....
[14:10] <rinaldi_> bhsx, are you using nm applet to enter the wep?
[14:10] <mindframe-> i thought i had that enabled, lemme check
[14:11] <mindframe-> Hobbsee, yes it's enabled
[14:11] <bhsx> seems that way
[14:11] <ryanov> I did not need to enable any proposed, that flag took care of it all for me.
[14:11] <mindframe-> do i need to disable 3rd party software repos?
[14:11] <ryanov> I didn't.
[14:11] <bhsx>  nm?  this is my first time ever trying to get wifi working in linux (used linux on/off since RH 5.2)....  so i'm not familiar with the tools
[14:11] <Paddy_EIRE> yes hwilde .. yes indeedy
[14:12] <ryanov> What program is this though?
[14:12] <buttterz> adinc , well in any event it is supported and i have it ready for you
[14:12] <mindframe-> also i have a feisty source so i can install openssl 0.9.7
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[14:12] <hwilde> Paddy_EIRE,   what's irish and sit's out on hte porch ALL NIGHT  :)
[14:12] <ryanov> I was using kubuntu.
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> hwilde: what :)
[14:12] <hwilde> Paddy_EIRE,   Paddy O'Furniture    haahahahahaaaa
[14:12] <Paddy_EIRE> lol
[14:12] <hwilde> !offtopic | hwilde
[14:12] <hwilde> I know I know
[14:13] <adinc> buttterz: how are you going to manage it, are you committing it to the rep, or would like to send it to me?
[14:13] <buttterz> adinc , i have not decided yet.
[14:13] <bhsx> rinaldi_: which tools should i use to set WEP?  what's nm?
[14:13] <Animazing> Is there anybody here I can bother with a freezing update-manager when trying to install hardy beta?
[14:13] <adinc> buttterz: i would appreciate if you could send to to me untill your decision is open so i could make use of it
[14:13] <Paddy_EIRE> brb.. I'm making some to eat.. offtopic makes me hungry
[14:13] <hwilde> Animazing, get all the updates for gutsy before trying to upgrade tothe beta
[14:14] <rinaldi_> bhsx: are you using the app on the top right of yuor screen?
[14:14] <Animazing> hwilde: I did that :)
[14:14] <hwilde> bhsx, iwconfig [interface] essid [yourssid] key [yourkey]
[14:14] <bhsx> i was trying to use the admin>network settings
[14:14] <W8TAH> can someone point me to the fix for broadcom wifi cards on hardy?
[14:14] <hwilde> !broadcom | W8TAH
[14:14] <ubotu> W8TAH: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[14:14] <bhsx> hwilde thanks
[14:14] <W8TAH> perfect - thatnks
[14:15] <Animazing> hwilde: Or is it normal that he asks me to update 689 packages but that not all software will work with the normal update manager?
[14:15] <rinaldi_> bhsx: or you could use "applications > internet > network manager editor"
[14:15] <hwilde> Animazing, I dunno I don't trust the gui.  apt-get
[14:15] <bhsx> k thanks a bunch
[14:15] <W8TAH> hwilde, that goes up through gusty -- the release notes on hardy Beta 4 mentioned something about additional stuff for hardy
[14:16] <Animazing> hwilde: Could you tell me which apt-get command I can use to upgrade from 7.10 to hardy?
[14:16] <mindframe-> i simply cant get the option to upgrade
[14:16] <nikrud> W8TAH the latest networkmanager fixed it for me, 0.6.6-0ubuntu3 (yesterday)
[14:16] <W8TAH> ok --
[14:16] <cyclonut> can anyone enlighten me on icedtea and the hardy java situation?
[14:16] <W8TAH> nikrud, did that come in with the latest round of updates?
[14:16] <cyclonut> I havent tried anything yet, but I'd rather do it properly from the get-go
[14:17] <nikrud> W8TAH it wasn't available day before, but it was yesterday
[14:17] <hwilde> !upgrade | Animazing
[14:17] <ubotu> Animazing: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[14:17] <W8TAH> ok - i just installed last night -- so i probably got it lat night or this morning
[14:17] <W8TAH> im looking into the jockey issue too
[14:18] <nikrud> W8TAH   apt-cache policy network=manager
[14:18] <nikrud> *network-manager that is
[14:18] <adinc> buttterz: what did you decide?
[14:18] <W8TAH> nikrud, looks like its up to date
[14:18] <W8TAH> thanks
[14:18] <rinaldi_> W8TAH: yeh jockey messed my install up, I had to reinstall
[14:19] <W8TAH> it looks ok here - this is a spare hdd for my laptop so i can fiddle
[14:19] <W8TAH> :D
[14:19] <W8TAH> without wiping out my dual boot production setup
[14:20] <ryanov> Also, anyone know about a bug with kernel-generic that causes it to hang at "waiting for root filesystem?"
[14:20] <ryanov> This is not -8, it is the latest one... -12 maybe?
[14:28] <cyclonut> lol
[14:28] <cyclonut> the ubuntu Hardware Test just crashed on me
[14:29] <cyclonut> ironically, my first crash in Hardy
[14:29] <ryanov> Basically nothing works since I upgraded.
[14:29] <savvas> cyclonut: if you can reach the phone, call 911 and say it has crashed on you
[14:29] <savvas> :P
[14:29] <ryanov> So I think this machine has been through one too many upgrades.
[14:29] <cyclonut> ryanov, I had essentially the same situation. I went for the clean install
[14:30] <ryanov> What ticks me off though is I was going to deal with the upgrade and wait to do a clean install with the final.
[14:30] <ryanov> So I gotta do it twice now I guess.
[14:30] <cyclonut> yeah, im in the same boat
[14:30] <ryanov> But there are worse things I suppose.
[14:30] <ryanov> Incidentally, how is upgrading while in X at all safe? I would expect any number of problems to result from that.
[14:32] <bhsx> ryanov: somehow they have separated that out.... i have always thought the same thing, but never had a problem
[14:32] <bhsx> even when doing video drivers
[14:32] <ryanov> Wow, I'm actually getting 400something KB to download the ISO. I kinda expected this to take hours.
[14:33] <ryanov> I guess I'm going to have to document my install this time... that's part of the problem with having a new machine with this stuff... you end up with 200 kludges after 5 releases, and they probably will cause problems for something else down the line.
[14:33] <ctimko> hello/
[14:34] <ryanov> Anyone else know what the deal with wlan0_rename is?
[14:34] <cyclonut> dag nabbit
[14:34] <cyclonut> now things are crashing readily
[14:34] <cyclonut> checkgmail now
[14:34] <ctimko> So far my WPA is great...suprisingly, but there is an issue with the "Edit Wireless Networks"
[14:35] <ctimko> What is the url for the bug submissions?
[14:36] <ctimko> I have 2 bugs i need to submit
[14:36] <ctimko> unless the coders are here
[14:36] <ctimko> then I will just tell you all
[14:36] <cyclonut> check launchpad.net
[14:36] <Lynoure> ctimko: best to submit them anyway
[14:36] <ctimko> thanks
[14:37] <ctimko> right, I just needed the url
[14:37] <buttterz> ctimko , i'm working on that now.
[14:37] <hippychick> i upgraded to hardy about a month ago, and i keep getting a really long pause during boot up im running it on an eeepc
[14:37] <ctimko> got it
[14:37] <ctimko> thanks
[14:38] <ctimko> cyclonut helped with that
[14:38] <ryanov> I actually get that too.
[14:38] <buttterz> indeed, its kinda my job away from school haha
[14:38] <ryanov> Mine is not an eee though, it's a Latitude.
[14:38] <hippychick> mine hangs for about 3 minutes
[14:38] <buttterz> ctimko , please submit those bugs officially though / in your opinion
[14:38] <ryanov> Ah, mine's not so long.
[14:38] <ryanov> Maybe 20 seconds.
[14:39] <ctimko> Here, let me ask this before I submit this
[14:39] <ctimko> Did anyone get XGL to work in Hardy
[14:39] <buttterz> there are also kernel issues so we are ironing them out haha
[14:40] <ryanov> On mine, generic waits for root filesystem forever.
[14:40] <ryanov> But -rt does not.
[14:40] <ryanov> ...though I apparently managed to boot -generic once -- don't think I did anything differently.
[14:40] <ryanov> I had first thought that turning off quiet/splash seemed to fix it, but I'm not sure that panned out.
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> i have a Hardy graphics issue
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> can anyone help
[14:42] <ctimko> Is "Confirmed" what I do?
[14:42] <ctimko> Add a confirm that I am getting the issue as well?
[14:42] <buttterz> invaderB-laptop , well that depends haha
[14:42] <invaderB-laptop> well i have a dell latitude c600
[14:42] <ryanov> No. Confirmed is generally for folks who have tried it in "the lab" and confirmed it.
[14:42] <ryanov> AFAIK
[14:42] <kasi> hi, i cant get wireless or sound working. it was working fine on gutsy, can anyone help? im using a hp dv6500
[14:43] <ctimko> ok, so then it is submitted, and I don't need to worry about it until they fix it
[14:43] <invaderB-laptop> and i tried to load 8beta on it and the hardware drivers failed
[14:43] <adinc> has anyone a iwl3945 intel wireless device running?
[14:44] <komputes> how can I quicly list what video driver is being used?
[14:44] <ryanov> adinc: I did briefly.
[14:44] <ryanov> adinc: Why do you ask?
[14:45] <sodoku> any idea how to use this  http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Low-pass_filter_for_subwoofer_channel_(HOWTO) with pulseaudio?
[14:45] <Ng> ryanov: it's fine to confirm a bug if you can sanely reproduce it
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: since it doesn't work here
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: do you use it with hardy?
[14:45] <ctimko> ok, does anyone know anything about Eclipse and Tomcat/
[14:45] <ctimko> ?
[14:45] <adinc> ryanov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/185470 this shows a bug which describes my problem, how did it work for you?
[14:45] <buttterz> adinc , i do because in my package i want binaries -- and that would not be kosher -- you dig?
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress]
[14:45] <ryanov> adinc: I will look.
[14:46] <invaderB-laptop> is the Mobility M3 video driver supported in 8beta
[14:46] <ryanov> The stupid LED still doesn't work, which sucks.
[14:46] <adinc> buttterz: sure
[14:46] <ryanov> Oh, no, I didn't get that error.
[14:46] <ryanov> I did get the lame _rename name though.
[14:46] <buttterz> adinc , did you actually follow that or are you just saying that...
[14:46] <adinc> ryanov: strange
[14:46] <adinc> buttterz: what?
[14:46] <buttterz> haha nevermind -- do you want the 5.0 binaries when i finish them today?
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: obviously if you let your package download and compile you have less trouble with licensing
[14:47] <buttterz> adinc ^^^^
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: yes please i would love to have them
[14:47] <buttterz> alright thats what i'm hoping for as well -- but this should suffice if you need it later -- i'll probably have both committed soon.
[14:47] <adinc> buttterz: thank you very much
[14:48] <buttterz> yep
[14:48] <buttterz> i gg
[14:48] <buttterz> p
[14:48] <adinc> ryanov: are you running an intel wireless with hardy?
[14:48] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is being used?
[14:48] <ryanov> I'm not running anything right now as my X is screwed up... lots of other stuff too...
[14:48] <ryanov> But I did briefly run it and it did work.
[14:48] <adinc> ryanov: than you might be the only one
[14:49] <ryanov> I was using just WEP128 though.
[14:49] <ryanov> Were you using something more interesting?
[14:49] <ryanov> I never got WPA to work with iwl for example... I only was able to get that to work with ipw.
[14:49] <adinc> no, the problem is more deeper, when the kernel module loads the firmware microcode then an error occurs
[14:50] <adinc> i would use wep128 aswell
[14:50] <ryanov> Yeah, I do not have that problem. Let me try to associate now, since I can still use text mode anyway.
[14:50] <adinc> but the problem is when you define the name for example like iwconfig wlan0 essid MYNET then you get that error
[14:50] <invaderB-laptop> is the Mobility M3 video driver supported in 8beta??? i need help pleasee
[14:51] <adinc> ryanov: that would ben enough, look into your syslog and watch what happens when you call iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURWLAN
[14:51] <ryanov> Nothing nasty.
[14:51] <nugz1212> hey what version of ndiswrapper works
[14:51] <choward__> is the issue with no sound after upgrade from 7.10 fixed?
[14:52] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is in used?
[14:52] <nugz1212> with 8.04
[14:52] <adinc> ryanov: can you do a uname -a
[14:52] <ryanov> Last line is wmaster0: Selected rate control alorith 'iwl-3945-rs'
[14:52] <ryanov> 2.6.24-12-rt
[14:52] <scientist-> when 8.04 hits stable and final, will just going to software update from a beta install upgrade it to the final version?
[14:52] <adinc> ryanov: strange, so can you scan for a wireless network?
[14:52] <ryanov> -generic is all screwed up for me... won't boot.
[14:52] <ryanov> Yeah, scanning worked fine.
[14:52] <adinc> and you get the results?
[14:53] <orvokki> Btw, does nvidia-glx-new work with -rt kernels in Hardy?
[14:53] <ryanov> Found 3 cells.
[14:53] <adinc> can you please tell me what lspci says which hardware you have
[14:53] <ryanov> What specifically are you looking for, the name?
[14:53] <nugz1212> does the latest ndiswrapper work on 8.04?
[14:53] <adinc> ryanov: the hardwarename of your wireless
[14:53] <adinc> ryanov: unbelievable
[14:54] <bazhang> nugz1212: what card you got?
[14:54] <ryanov> "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)"
[14:54] <adinc> ryanov: unbelievable
[14:54] <adinc> same as mine
[14:54] <ryanov> What's the machine?
[14:54] <bazhang> same here works great
[14:54] <adinc> could you do a md5sum for the file /lib/firmware/..../should be called iwl3945 ucode
[14:55] <adinc> somehow
[14:55] <nugz1212> any got a wmp300n working?
[14:55] <adinc> bazhang: you have the same card?
[14:55] <bazhang> usb dongle?
[14:55] <bazhang> adinc aye
[14:55] <adinc> cool, with hardy?
[14:55] <nugz1212> ....
[14:55] <bazhang> adinc of course ;]
[14:55] <bhsx> what's the equivalent of 'pump' these days?
[14:55] <ryanov> Ends in 00cb2
[14:55] <ryanov> But that's for the -rt kernel.
[14:56] <adinc> but many people have problems with this device see the bug
[14:56] <bazhang> that is weird it works very well here
[14:56] <adinc> ryanov: can you paste it please here, i would liek to compare it with mine at home
[14:56] <ryanov> I am not using that machine for IRC.
[14:56] <adinc> i see
[14:56] <ryanov> Because I have various other problems. :)
[14:56] <ryanov> I'm going to do a reinstall of fresh Hardy in a little while.
[14:56] <adinc> can't you go to pastebin with this machine
[14:57] <nugz1212> is This new release going to be better for things like gaming
[14:57] <ryanov> In a couple of mins.
[14:57] <bhsx> i tried 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid slovar key [my WEP key]' and that didn't seem to do anything
[14:57] <adinc> ryanov: please keep me updated if this still works with your new installation
[14:57] <bazhang> nugz1212: that is mostly a wine issue not ubuntu
[14:57] <ryanov> I just don't have a good way of getting the value off there, since it is not on any network at the moment.
[14:57] <nugz1212> what?
[14:57] <bicyclist> Hello,
[14:58] <adinc> ryanov: ok, but maybe you guys should follow the bug report aswell
[14:58] <bicyclist> does anyone else have those weird pink shadows in compiz when running Hardy Heron ?
[14:58] <bicyclist> Seems to be NVidia Card related.
[14:58] <nugz1212> when did I say wine?
[14:58] <bazhang> nugz1212: hardy will not change how good wine is; if you mean native gaming then who knows
[14:59] <bhsx> how do i restart the network after using the iwconfig? /been a while
[14:59] <nugz1212> I'm talking all aspects
[14:59] <komputes> how can I list what video driver is currently in use?
[14:59] <nugz1212> like performance and what not
[14:59] <nugz1212> dams
[14:59] <nugz1212> iPhone keyboard is hard
[14:59] <ryanov> adinc: going to be around awhile?
[15:00] <adinc> yes
[15:00] <komputes> bhsx: killall NetworkManager, and then NetworkManager
[15:00] <ryanov> OK, just burning the disc for a fresh install.
[15:00] <adinc> ryanov: yes, i'll be here later on aswell
[15:00] <bazhang> nugz1212: I have enjoyed sauerbrten so far; you should try it when it hits final and see
[15:00] <adinc> ryanov: good luck
[15:00] <ryanov> Sort of appears I'll need it, eh? ;)
[15:01] <ryanov> It has been a little discouraging for me to work with bugs and Ubuntu actually...
[15:01] <bhsx> ty
[15:01] <bazhang> komputes what card do you have?
[15:01] <nugz1212> I had that on 7.10 but my friend tried to edit a module and corrupted the kernel
[15:01] <ryanov> Because I'll report something that makes the system unusable, and it will not be fixed or even really looked at sometimes for 2 release cylces.
[15:01] <ryanov> A year for a blocking bug? <shrug>
[15:01] <nugz1212> also had ETQW
[15:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, where can i get some details on the virtual machine facilities new in 8.04?
[15:02] <ryanov> adinc: PS, does ipw3945 work?
[15:02] <NET||abuse> curious about what it can get up to.
[15:02] <bazhang> I;m actually thinking of trying wow for the first time
[15:02] <ryanov> I always preferred that one anyhow. If I've got an LED on my case, I want it to work.
[15:02] <adinc> ryanov: i didin't use it and is it implemented?
[15:02] <nugz1212> thought I'd beta test an OS
[15:02] <adinc> ryanov: it is replaced actually if i'm not wrong
[15:03] <ryanov> adinc: They've both been in there for a couple of releases.
[15:03] <ryanov> If it was removed in this one, I am not aware so far.
[15:03] <komputes> bazhang: why would it matter, I want to prompt the computer for what driver is in use - anyhow I found this command: xdriinfo
[15:03] <bazhang> komputes excuse me? I thought you were looking for some info--my bad
[15:03] <ryanov> adinc: Yeah, I see, it's gone.
[15:05] <adinc> ryanov: the developers have replaced this driver with the iwlwifi set
[15:06] <ryanov> Pity, since it sucks.
[15:07] <bhsx> i cannot get wireless working....   the drivers seem to be fine... it just wont connect... what could i be doing wrong?  (i'm a noob at wifi on linux, please help)
[15:07] <ryanov> I tried it a couple of times on gutsy and went right back.
[15:08] <bhsx> is there a gui for "finding" wireless nets?
[15:08] <hwilde> bhsx, wavemon is pretty cool
[15:08] <bazhang> nm-applet does that
[15:08] <ryanov> bhsx: You say what distro?
[15:08] <bhsx> hardy
[15:09] <nugz1212> networkmanager does that automaticlly
[15:09] <ryanov> Yes, what window manager?
[15:09] <komputes> bazhang: I am looking for info, how to get the name of the video driver in use, let's say I have 10, 000 computers, I want a command that will tell me what video driver is in use, what would giving you the make and model of my hardware help you. I am not looking to associate the correct driver to my hardware but to find out how to find out what driver is currently in use
[15:09] <bhsx> bazhang: where's the "finder"?
[15:09] <ryanov> komputes: for X?
[15:09] <nugz1212> what are you doing with a beta and 10000 computers?
[15:10] <bhsx> maybe i have a hosed install of network manager?  cuz i dont see any options for searching for nets
[15:10] <komputes> ryanov: yes for X
[15:10] <ryanov> komputes: Couldn't you look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[15:10] <bhsx> where there's the "Networks" box there's only a 'remove' button
[15:10] <bazhang> komputes sorry I forgot my telepathy hat today; that was not in your initial question ;]
[15:10] <komputes> nugz1212: testing
[15:10] <nugz1212> bhsx: make sure your net card has the drivers for it
[15:10] <bhsx> and no networks are showing-up there
[15:10] <nugz1212> wow
[15:11] <Ng> ryanov: lots of new xorg.conf's won't list a driver
[15:11] <komputes> ryanov: no I could not, since hardy no video drivers have been set in xorg.conf, the file just says "configured device"
[15:11] <komputes> Ng: correct, so whats the work around
[15:11] <nugz1212> bhsx: are you using a Linux native card or ndiswrapper?
[15:11] <Ng> komputes: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the output of the running X server, although I'm not sure if you'll find a consistent way to get the information
[15:12] <komputes> Ng: crummy
[15:12] <bhsx> native
[15:12] <nugz1212> ah
[15:12] <bhsx> lenovo t60
[15:12] <bhsx> i'm pretty sure it's supported, but i'm lookin it up now
[15:12] <nugz1212> I don't know much about
[15:12] <nugz1212> native
[15:12] <nugz1212> but make sure the driver is
[15:12] <nugz1212> initializes
[15:13] <Ng> komputes: you could use the same method that X uses, which is to compare PCI IDs with /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*.ids
[15:14] <Ng> there may be a proper way of querying the running X server for its driver, but I don't know what it is
[15:14] <bazhang> but for 10K computers that is alot of checking ;]
[15:14] <komputes> Ng: my goodness, why can't they leave xorg untouched, how is this "simplified"
[15:14] <Ng> komputes: how do you mean?
[15:14] <Ng> xorg.conf shouldn't be replaced on upgrade
[15:15] <bhsx> lsmod shows iwlwifi_mac80211 so i think it's loaded
[15:15] <Ng> but new ones are generated with much much less in than they used to, because Xorg is getting very good at choosing the right things itself
[15:15] <ryanov> adinc: Going to be slower than I thought. I have to back up my machine -- was not thinking.
[15:15] <ryanov> My machine is unfortuantely one partition.
[15:15] <komputes> Ng: well the new xorg doen't allow you to reconfigure anything, dpkg-reconfigure skips over the video, it's almost impossible to get the driver name which is in use
[15:15] <adinc> ryanov: no problem
[15:15] <bazhang> hmm no problems getting the driver name here
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: good? think again, it's crummy and theres no way to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserverxorg to manually configure xorg.conf, people now have to change the file manually which is not good and prone to errors
[15:16] <Ng> komputes: is it choosing the wrong driver?
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: It has yes, but that is not the issue at hand
[15:16] <Ng> komputes: yes it is
[15:16] <komputes> Ng: no it isn't
[15:16] <Ng> dpkg-reconfigure is a workaround - Xorg should be getting this right
[15:16] <komputes> look at the question
[15:17] <komputes> we see it differently. I think the dpkg-reconfigure should be kept as a last resort
[15:17] <chdst> komputes: Not to be passing the buck, but do you know how to do this in a non ubuntu Xorg 7.3?
[15:17] <chdst> If not, I'd say that the Xorg docs are the place to be.
[15:18] <Lamego> Ng, that is arguable, calling a manual configuration a workaround
[15:18] <komputes> komputes: no idea, i'm just frustrated that features have been removed making life |<------->| that much harder
[15:18] <komputes> chdst:^
[15:19] <chdst> komputes: Figured :)
[15:19] <Ng> Lamego: the point is that Xorg is moving away from the explicit configurations of old. displays, input devices and most of the other things it cares about can be added/removed/resized/rotated far more than ever before, so it has to be more dynamic. If it's not getting something right, there should be a bug filed against it
[15:19] <Lamego> the issue is not about the Xorg ability to select the driver, but about the user's ability to check which driver is in use/setup a specific driver
[15:20] <Ng> Lamego: again - why would they be changing driver? only if the original choice was incorrect. ergo, the choice should be fixed.
[15:20] <komputes> Ng: which is a good goal, but they should leave the old tools until it has been thoroughly tested  - here we are that I need a driver name, before I could just open xorg.conf
[15:20] <Ng> komputes: no you couldn't
[15:20] <Ng> komputes: xorg.conf may have had a driver, but there's no guarantee X was actually using it because we have the bulletproof X stuff, so it may have failed to use the driver you think it's using and is actually using VESA
[15:21] <komputes> right
[15:21] <bicyclis1> Has anyone any idea why camorama states it cannot open /dev/video0 yet Camera Monitor informs me that the cam has been activated  Everything works fine with cheese.
[15:21] <komputes> Ng: so xorg wasn't the BEST indication of the driver in use, but then what is an efficient way to find which video driver is loaded?
[15:22] <Ng> komputes: I would look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:22] <komputes> Ng: non existent (new OS install)
[15:23] <komputes> oh wait
[15:23] <komputes> strike that
[15:23] <amran> having problems with sound; i get the drum roll at the login screen, but once logged in theres no sound avail to apps
[15:24] <komputes> Ng: well it's not very efficient (or scaleable), but it may be more reliable than looking at an old xorg.conf file
[15:25] <komputes> thanks
[15:27] <Ng> komputes: you could drop by #ubuntu-x to see if they have any bright ideas about a programmatic way of doing it
[15:28] <ctimko> is there anyway to change the B43 from using 9 MB/s to 54
[15:28] <gregcha117>  i have no sound although my sound devices appear to be configured fine and they worked fine before any ideas
[15:29] <komputes> Ng: will do
[15:32] <kpanic> I'm upgrading to beta, let's try
[15:34] <Jaymac> vivek3, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[15:34] <vivek3> thanks
[15:35] <Jaymac> vivek3, specifically, this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[15:35] <Jaymac> vivek3, remember it's beta software :)
[15:35] <vivek3> thats okay, my data is safe on another hddd, i just want to mess around, exams over and im bored :)
[15:35] <bazhang> will break ;]
[15:36] <Jaymac> vivek3, then go ahead, and have fun :)
[15:36] <vivek3> btw will it change and/or delete all my compiz settings, installed s/w and all???
[15:36] <kpanic> is there a risk to lose data?
[15:36] <amran> why would sound fail after login? ie it works in login screen but not within gnome
[15:36] <Jaymac> kpanic, with any pre-release software, there is always a risk.
[15:36] <bazhang> kpanic: of course you should back up ;]
[15:36] <kpanic> uhmpf
[15:37] <Jaymac> vivek3, i shouldn't imagine so, but you'll have to find out :)
[15:37] <kpanic> ok, on this machine I'll wait then
[15:37] <bazhang> vivek3: dist-upgrade of fresh install?
[15:37] <vivek3> upgrade from 7.10
[15:37] <bazhang> err or
[15:38] <vivek3> oh no
[15:39] <vivek3> have been using for quite a while its completely customized in almost every way
[15:39] <vivek3> ithink thats what u mean to ask
[15:39] <NET||abuse> i wanted to start working with the virt-manager stuff in hardy, so i figured i should get a copy of dsl and run as a web server and just test that as a way to road test virt-manager with xen,, however i've never used any virtual machien stuff beyond installing virtualbox
[15:40] <NET||abuse> what do i need to do to run xen on hardy?
[15:40] <NET||abuse> i'm reading, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen at the moment, but how much of this willl be outdated and not applicaable to hardy heron now?
[15:40] <eMaX_> hey all
[15:41] <eMaX_> what's the upgrade path from 7.04 to 8.04? do I have to go through 7.10?
[15:41] <Ng> yes
[15:41] <darx> when i set font sizes in system setting under kubuntu, firefox beta 4 isn't honoring the settings. what up with that? what should I do to fix this?
[15:41] <NET||abuse> should i just install "ubuntu-xen-server" and some other tools?
[15:42] <eMaX_> gsd
[15:42] <darx> can someone confirm this please?
[15:42] <eMaX_> darx: did you try gnome settings daemon?
[15:43] <Jaymac> eMaX_: he is on kubuntu, not ubuntu.
[15:43] <darx> no
[15:43] <bazhang> kubuntu with gnome? ;]
[15:43] <orvokki> Why not?
[15:43] <Jaymac> is ther
[15:44] <darx> what?
[15:44] <Jaymac> oops... is there a kubuntu+1 support channel? or is that this room?
[15:44] <ryanov> SAme room.
[15:44] <bazhang> all of us kde lovers are here ;]
[15:45] <eMaX_> anyway
[15:45] <darx> can someone confirm this please
[15:45] <darx> ?
[15:45] <bazhang> darx you mean beta 3? that is all I have atm
[15:45] <darx> yeah
[15:45] <darx> if you update it, it'll be beta 4
[15:45] <bazhang> darx what font size
[15:47] <darx> I went to system settings > appearance> fonts then i hit adjust all fonts, then I checked the size box and set it to a lower size.. everything except firefox honors the new size
[15:47] <darx> bazhang: ^^
[15:47] <vivek3> this might be a silly question but is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 to kubuntu 8.04???
[15:48] <nugz1212> hmm
[15:48] <Jaymac> vivek3: you will have to update to ubuntu 8.04 and then install kubuntu-desktop
[15:48] <bazhang> darx just to be scientific you want to give me a target? or just wing it ;]
[15:48] <nugz1212> good question
[15:48] <bazhang> vivek3: sure
[15:48] <nugz1212> is 8.04 kubuntu going to use KDE 4?
[15:48] <darx> bazhang: try 6 if you have a good eye. :-P
[15:48] <vivek3> Jaymac: i heard thats messy and makes a lot of unnecessary menus and stuff
[15:49] <bazhang> darx okay hold on a sec ;]
[15:49] <Jaymac> vivek3: well it's the only way to do it without just doing a fresh install
[15:49] <darx> beware it might be too small for you
[15:49] <darx> bazhang:^^
[15:49] <vivek3> Jaymac: ohok thanks :)
[15:49] <Jaymac> nugz1212: there will be two versions of kubuntu 8.04
[15:50] <Jaymac> nugz1212: Kubuntu 8.04 (using KDE 3.5.9) and Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 (using KDE 4.0.3)
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> Is kde4 working pretty well now (I like konq 4)
[15:51] <darx> hesp4wn: nope
[15:51] <darx> h3sp4wn: ^^
[15:51] <nugz1212> nice
[15:51] <darx> crashes left and right.. for me at least
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> I guess if I want kde4 I am better with mandriva cooker
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> (or another distro that puts kde first)
[15:51] <darx> possibly. i was seduced by opensuse live kde4
[15:52] <h3sp4wn> or at least doesn't neglect it
[15:52] <darx> as it stands now, kde4 is a lie
[15:52] <bazhang> darx firefox can only be set to 9 from within firefox preferences; whoa this 6 pixel font is tiny ;]
[15:52] <darx> :-P
[15:52] <darx> bazhang: yeah but thats the document font size.
[15:52] <bazhang> best get compiz zoom on there fast darx ;]
[15:53] <darx> I'm fine with 6.. i need a lot of room.
[15:53] <darx> :-P
[15:53] <bazhang> hahaha
[15:53] <darx> i've a good eye too.
[15:53] <bazhang> waaay to small for me
[15:53]  * bazhang sets it back to 24
[15:53] <darx> i warned ya
[15:53] <darx> :-D
[15:54] <benanzo> Do screen brightness controls not work for anyone else in Hardy?
[15:54] <benanzo> they broke a few days ago
[15:54] <darx> benanzo: whats you hardware?
[15:54] <benanzo> MacBook 1,1
[15:55] <darx> don't know.
[15:55] <h3sp4wn> Been broken for me all along (as soon as gnome-power-manager is running)
[15:55] <benanzo> The brightness meter appears but the meter wont go above zero
[15:56] <benanzo> brightness is 100%
[15:56] <darx> bazhang: firefox doesn't honor sizes > 9 pt too.
[15:56] <hyperair> hello there
[15:56] <bazhang> darn those firefoxites!
[15:56] <darx> bazhang: why could that be
[15:57] <hyperair> anyone here gotten pulseaudio and dmix working together?
[15:57] <hyperair> =\
[15:57] <darx> bazhang: whats your browser?
[15:58] <bazhang> darx firefox 3 beta4 now
[15:58] <darx> hmm.. why then swear at firefoxites? :-P
[15:58] <Arand> Does anybody else get brightness stuck at dimmed when that option is enabled?
[15:59] <bazhang> darn is now swearing? ;]
[15:59] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Why would you want to do that
[16:00] <darx> bazhang: :-)
[16:00] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: for skype
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> dmix is terrible for sound quality
[16:00] <hyperair> i know it is
[16:00] <hyperair> =\
[16:00] <hyperair> but when i managed to get it up, the sound quality... i didn't notice much problems with it
[16:00] <hyperair> sounded the same to me
[16:01] <hyperair> dmix + pulseaudio that is
[16:01] <hyperair> however, i had some issue with assertions
[16:01] <hyperair> if module-suspend-idle was loaded, some assertion kept failing
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just use the alsa wrapper for pulseaudio
[16:01] <hyperair> skype doesn't like it
[16:02] <h3sp4wn> or the oss wrapper (and the oss skype)
[16:02] <hyperair> latency issues
[16:02] <hyperair> my network isn't very good
[16:02] <hyperair> couple that with the latency introduced by padsp...
[16:02] <hyperair> you get crackly sounds
[16:02] <darx> has someone anyclue as to why firefox doesn't honor global font settings?
[16:02] <hyperair> darx: does for me
[16:03] <darx> um? what did you do?
[16:03] <bazhang> not developed by debian/ubuntu most likely
[16:03] <darx> hyperair: ^^
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: um i don't know? default installation?
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: i also managed to get it to work with the latest build of minefield
[16:03] <Ng> darx: do you mean font settings for its interface, or for rendering pages themselves?
[16:03] <darx> just a sec.. there is a gtk styles and fonts options
[16:03] <hyperair> darx: seems automatic for me =\
[16:03] <darx> maybe that
[16:04] <darx> darn..
[16:04] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: any idea?
[16:04] <yao_ziyuan> i call for all kubuntu users to protest kubuntu 8.04 beta's ugly wallpaper and style/window decoration!
[16:05] <hyperair> yao_ziyuan: just change it. i never liked ubuntu (GNOME)'s theme anyway
[16:05] <darx> yup.. that was it.. firefox is GTK..
[16:06] <darx> who would have thunk?
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: um what desktop environment are you using?
[16:06] <darx> kubuntu
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: it's thought not thunk
[16:06] <darx> KDE
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: there's a setting somewhere inside the systemsettings thing
[16:06] <darx> hyperair: thunk is a joke word
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: i thought you were using gnome.. sorry i tend to assume things
[16:06] <hyperair> darx: ._. oh
[16:06] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: No idea - I have one box using OSS4 and it bypasses most of these issues
[16:07] <balamurugan> i have both kde and gnome in my ubuntu 7.10.. now if i upgrade to 8.04 beta using the auto update tool in gnome, will kde3 also be upgraded to kde 4??
[16:07] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: OSS4? what's good about it anyway?
[16:07] <darx> thanks folks..
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: mxing handled in the kernel - just works no layer upon layer of abstraction
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> Can emulate alsa well enough (for eg flash)
[16:08] <balamurugan> i have both kde and gnome in my ubuntu 7.10.. now if i upgrade to 8.04 beta using the auto update tool in gnome, will kde3 also be upgraded to kde 4??
[16:08] <hyperair> but i still do like pulseaudio =\
[16:08] <hyperair> got some rather cool features
[16:09] <h3sp4wn> You could rebuild pulseaudio against OSS4
[16:09] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: what? but i'd first need to get oss4 installed right? any way to go about without recompiling every thing on my system?
[16:09] <h3sp4wn> But then it becomes a pita - (I have done it before but dealing with rebuilding it)
[16:10] <hyperair> pita?
[16:10] <h3sp4wn> pain in the ...
[16:10] <h3sp4wn> http://www.opensound.com/
[16:11] <hyperair> ah
[16:11] <jng> any dell latitude 410 users with an external monitor?
[16:11] <evan_> hey i installed steam under wine and i get shotcuts with an ink extention but hardy isnt understanding that extention
[16:11] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: any hint to when oss4 is coming to ubuntu?
[16:12] <Jaymac> evan_: that is probably because they are Windows shortcuts.
[16:12] <evan_> Jaymac but on gutsy that where just icons
[16:13] <Jaymac> oh..
[16:13] <BadRobot> hi there,so has someone already tried Firefox 3 Beta 5 ?
[16:13] <evan_> nope not me
[16:14] <eMaX_> what's the upgrade path from 7.04 to 8.04? do I have to go through 7.10?
[16:14] <Pici> eMaX_: Yes.
[16:14] <Pici> Upgrade paths to 8.04 are either from 7.10 or from 6.06.
[16:15] <eMaX_> hmm. that basically would mean wiping the machine and reinstall as 7.10 is reported not to work on that box.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Maybe never - not my choice (I would offer the option)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> depending on which card depends on which I prefer
[16:17] <Jaymac> eMaX_: in that case, you might as well wait until 8.04 is released.  Back-up everything in the mean time :)
[16:17] <evan_> how can i make compiz place the seamless virtualbox in the 3th viewport?
[16:17] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/10/get-better-sound-in-ubuntu-with-brand.html <-- there's a deb here
[16:18] <hyperair> it doesn't say anything about recompiling applications though =\
[16:18] <BadRobot> why don't you install 8.04 strait ?eMax
[16:18] <BadRobot> i think it would much easier and simple a fresh install of 8.04
[16:20] <bc229> is there a known issue with hardy and synergy?
[16:22] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: There is a deb on the oss site
[16:22] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You don't have to recompile applications to use them
[16:23] <BadRobot> is there anyway to update FF3 Beta 4 to Beta 5?
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> (If they support the old oss or libsalsa works with them) - but if you do you get the new features of OSS4
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> (Pulse would be better like that)
[16:23] <eMaX_> BadRobot: as I have 7.04 already
[16:24] <Jaymac> BadRobot: it isn't in the repos yet, but you could compile it yourself...
[16:24] <Jaymac> eMaX_: wait until 8.04 is released, then do a fresh install, if it is known that 7.10 doesn't work properly on that hardware.
[16:25] <eMaX_> ok
[16:25] <eMaX_> tnx
[16:28] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: then what was that about recompiling pulseaudio to use ossv4?
[16:28] <Jaymac> eMaX_: of course, you should probably try running a Live CD of 8.04 first to verify that it works on your hardware.
[16:28] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: It works better if you do
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You get a seperate entry in the vmix
[16:29] <hyperair> vmix? what's that
[16:29] <nox-Hand> Is anyone but me of the opinion that Hardy is slower and less responsive than Gutsy? Compiz Fusion for example laggs more
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: Like oss4's dmix
[16:29] <BadRobot> how do i compile it?Jaymac
[16:29] <h3sp4wn> hyperair: You don't have to you only can
[16:30] <Jaymac> BadRobot: I just had a look on the mozilla site and it isn't there - has it even been released?
[16:30] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: that's interesting. so i could use skype-oss without padsp in that case..
[16:30] <hyperair> and have pulseaudio mixing audio from other apps which actually support it
[16:30] <h3sp4wn> Yep
[16:31] <BadRobot> yep.They are using it on Fedora 9 Beta
[16:31] <hyperair> h3sp4wn: sounds interesting, i'll try that when i have time
[16:31] <h3sp4wn> and such as xine or gstreamer they could output straight to oss (if you don't need any of the pulseaudio features)
[16:31] <hyperair> hmmm =\
[16:31] <hyperair> sounds darn tempting
[16:32] <hyperair> i'll try it sometime
[16:32] <hyperair> thanks for the info
[16:32] <BadRobot> what is a good download manager?
[16:32] <BadRobot> if does someone knows...
[16:33] <frank_> BadRobot: kget, d4x
[16:34] <frank_> BadRobot: maybe others too
[16:34] <hyperair> pulseaudio: pulsecore/source.c:278: pa_source_post: Assertion `PA_SOURCE_OPENED(s->thread_info.state)' failed.
[16:34] <hyperair> Aborted
[16:34] <hyperair> anyone knows what this means? =\
[16:34] <hyperair> happens when i try get pulseaudio to use dmix
[16:34] <hyperair> and have module-suspend-idle
[16:35] <hyperair> BadRobot: go get downloadthemall for firefox
[16:36] <frank_> hyperair: BadRobot as I remember downloadthemall is very cpu intensive as it's a firefox extension
[16:36] <hyperair> isn't for me
[16:36] <hyperair> i'm on a single core 2.66GHz
[16:36] <frank_> hyperair: maybe it changed. I haven't used it in a long time
[16:37] <BadRobot> i know kget,but i would like something for Gnome
[16:38] <Leerok> Axel?
[16:38] <Pici> BadRobot: I know gwget exists, I've never used it though
[16:39] <hyperair> BadRobot: what features do you need?
[16:41] <savvas> BadRobot: gwget :) easy and user friendly, very basic
[16:43] <axisys> i am failing to pass make test for POE http://rafb.net/p/h9RzFa90.html
[16:43] <axisys> any suggestion for workaround?
[16:44] <ryanpg> hi all... I seem to have lost the ability to access gphoto2 file systems recently
[16:44] <ryanpg> anyone else experience this?
[16:47] <ryanpg> hrm... perhaps related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gphoto2/+bug/206627
[16:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206627 in gphoto2 "need 'sudo gphoto' to read camera (canon SD850)" [Undecided,New]
[16:49] <NET||abuse> morning all, i'm trying to get xen to work on my laptop for figureing things out, where should i go to read up on using xen on hardy?
[16:49] <NET||abuse> i want to work with the virt-manager and see what is possible with it,
[16:50] <NET||abuse> going to setup a virtual cluster on my laptop for testing, db server, web load balancer etc.. use some nicely cut down linux distro to do this on, that only needs 100MB ram per image
[16:50] <NET||abuse> so with even 5 images i still have 700MB for my desktops own consumption
[16:54] <Klanticus> hi ppl... how do I update a Hardy beta to the release version when it's launched?
[16:55] <agmishra> Klanticus, it would be updated through regular daily updates by itself
[16:55] <bazhang> just keep updating Klanticus
[16:55] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: If you want to do that why not use the xensource distro @?
[16:55] <Klanticus> ok... thank you guys
[16:55] <evan_> hey is it possible to install gutsy's virtualbox closedsource at hardy?
[16:55] <ks> where's mkinitrd in hardy ?
[16:55] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: Or RHEL/Fedora / Solaris
[16:56] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: because i'm an ubuntu user
[16:56] <h3sp4wn> virt-manager doesn't work for deb based distros
[16:56] <hein_> Hello, did anybody understand this:
[16:56] <hein_>  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start
[16:56] <hein_>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[16:56] <hein_>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[16:56] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: then why is it bundled and highlighted as a feature of hardy
[16:56] <hein_>  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start
[16:56] <hein_>  * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[16:56] <hein_>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[16:57] <evan_> hein google it i remember reading something about it
[16:57] <ks> fighting with running Xen domu in hardy
[16:57] <evan_> and maybe you could use pastebin next time
[16:57] <hein_> Thanks evan
[16:57] <NET||abuse> ks :) i'm just getting going with xen on hardy, do you have a good article to read with the foundation level running xen docs?
[16:58] <hischild> hein_, do you get any other errors? and what does lsmod | grep vbox give you?
[16:58] <ks> NET||abuse:  it is pretty straightforward :)
[16:58] <NET||abuse> ks: i'm trying to setup ubuntu-xen-server, it's has issues with some of my networking,,
[16:58] <ks> NET||abuse:  what specifically ?
[16:59] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: There is no point in virt-install for deb based anyway as you can use xen-tools
[16:59] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: wel ok, that's fine, i just want to do some virtualization on ubuntu :)
[16:59] <ks> uh nm found it initrd-tools
[16:59] <NET||abuse> h3sp4wn: what is the deal with them publicising the virt-manager and libvirt stuff in hardy though?
[16:59] <hein_> hischild: lsmod |grep vbox give no result. vboxdrv ist not started already.
[17:00] <hischild> hein_, i see. Does modprobe give you any errors when probing for it?
[17:00] <h3sp4wn> NET||abuse: I dunno I guess if they patched it very recently
[17:00] <NET||abuse> ks: basically it doesn't like eth0, and creates something called peth0
[17:01] <ks> NET||abuse:  it create a bridge for domus
[17:01] <hein_> hischild: modprobe vboxdrv gives: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
[17:01] <ks> creates
[17:01] <NET||abuse> ks: and then it dosen't find the route out of the lan... pinging even the local gatway ip says no route to host
[17:01] <h3sp4wn> virt-install is very easy to use if they set it up so ubuntu could be installed like that then fine but it would be noticable
[17:01] <NET||abuse> ks: oddly though the ifconfig output shows the ip having being caught from dhcp
[17:01] <hischild> hein_, sounds like vbox didn't install properly. can you try to reinstall and pastebin it back?
[17:02] <evan_> now i remember! i had the same... i needed to do a sudo apt-get -f install
[17:02] <evan_> hein_,
[17:03] <hein_> evan I'll try it. Thanks
[17:03] <loa> hello i found that my 3945abg intel wi-fi slow down sometimes... what it can be?
[17:03] <Phoul> Hey all, I was just curious how ubuntu is doing, I havent looked much at it lately.
[17:03] <ks> NET||abuse:  you should wait until I come up to this point :)
[17:03] <loa> i use iwl3945
[17:03] <hischild> loa, can be a whole list of reasons. Most common one is a bad signal strength.
[17:04] <Raspberry> hmm ... so what's this firefox-2 update happening today?
[17:04] <loa> hischild, nop, i start ping from two computers
[17:05] <Jaymac> Raspberry: on Ubuntu-QA? It's a test-build.  If you're running Hardy, you're using version 3 of Firefox, so it doesn't apply to you.
[17:05] <hischild> loa, you'll have to define your slowing down then. If you're talking about transfer speed slowing down, that is related to signal strenth
[17:05] <hischild> *strength
[17:05] <hein_> evan: Didn't work. The deinstallation and installation works fine. Then starting teh virtual host network works fine.
[17:05] <NET||abuse> ks: i got very scared when i rebooted, there's no graphical ubuntu loader when the xen kernel boots,
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: but it came across in my hardy updates today
[17:06] <Jaymac> Raspberry: Firefox version 2???
[17:06] <hein_> And then I got the error: No suitable module for running kernel.
[17:06] <loa> hischild, nop tcp connections for example slows down to zero speed =)
[17:06] <NET||abuse> ks: and i thought it had removed the grub boot menu (i just looked away at the wrong moment) and so i was panicing thinking "oh crap, i can't boot to my standard i386 kernel
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: firefox-2
[17:06] <Jaymac> Raspberry: no idea then
[17:06] <hischild> hein_, use tabcompletion. It makes the line red and stand out. Type part of the name and hit tap. Also, did you reinstall yet?
[17:06] <Raspberry> Jaymac: Version 2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu1:
[17:07] <ks> NET||abuse:  no panick :)
[17:07] <Raspberry> Jaymac: nvrmind :)  I guess I have TWO and THREE installed :p
[17:07] <hein_> Seems, that the kernel  ( 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux) is to new. It's the current 8.04 beta. So I'll hae to wait some time.
[17:07] <Jaymac> Raspberry: I didn't think firefox2 was in hardy
[17:07] <Raspberry> Jaymac: apparently it is :)  I didn't think it was either ... I don't remember it being an option before
[17:07] <hein_> In hardy FF 3 Beta is standard
[17:08] <hischild> hein_, i'm running  2.6.24-12-generic which runs fine on this end with vbox
[17:08] <evan_> same here
[17:08] <hein_> hischild: Could it be, that an old vbox directory in my homedirectory ist the problem?
[17:09] <hischild> hein_, shouldn't matter. You can remove them if you want to be sure, yet i doubt any difference. Can you run it from command line and pastebin the entire output?
[17:10] <Raspberry> Is there a way to have Ubuntu detect and configure external displays (VGA) on connect and disconnect?   Because THAT would be awesome
[17:10] <hein_> hischild: Normally it shoult work. The error indicates, that the vboxdrv and the kernel are incompatible.
[17:10] <amx109> Raspberry, thru acpi maybe?
[17:10] <hischild> Raspberry, if you're talking about enabling/disabling screens, it does for me. (without rebooting x)
[17:10] <hischild> hein_, that's odd.
[17:11] <Raspberry> because an xrandr --output VGA -off   or xrandr --output VGA --auto   works fine, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to click on my scripts
[17:11] <Raspberry> hischild: I can do it without restarting X ... but I have to run xrandr myself
[17:11] <Raspberry> hischild: Vista does it -- so I know the hardware sends some sort of signal
[17:12] <hischild> Raspberry, i use nvidia-settings for that. You can probably use dmesg for it as well
[17:12] <hein_> Yep. But ist my computer at home, there it's not so critical. It was a first test with hardy, before I upgrade my Laptop, whch I need for work.
[17:12] <hein_> Thanks hischild. I'll report when I'll get it runing.
[17:12] <hischild> hein_, please do. let me know what was the problem.
[17:12] <Raspberry> hischild: apparently there's a command ddcprobe?
[17:13] <hackeron> does anyone one how I can provide live stream audio from a microphone? -- i.e. go to an address and be able to hear a live feed of the microphone on the other end
[17:13] <hischild> Raspberry, never heard of it, let me check that
[17:13] <Raspberry> hischild: has to be run as root / sudo ... bummer
[17:13] <Raspberry> hischild: I suppose I can give my regular user account permission to /dev/mem :
[17:13] <hischild> hmm ...
[17:14] <hischild> Raspberry, i can't seem to find that command
[17:14] <Raspberry> hischild: it's part of the standard install
[17:14] <Raspberry> hischild: ddcprobe
[17:14] <hischild> Raspberry, seems like i'm missing out again on that standard install. I found it now.
[17:16] <Ng> hackeron: icecast
[17:17] <hackeron> Ng: how would I stream from microphone with icecast?
[17:19] <Ng> hackeron: you'd install icecast on a webserver and then run some kind of icecast client that would collect sound from your microphone and send it to the server
[17:19] <napalmfred> i am having trouble installing Ubuntu 8.04 - the Hardy Heron. it always freezes up
[17:19] <hackeron> Ng: hmm, sounds complicated, lol -- I'll give it a try
[17:20] <napalmfred> i am currently running it off the DVD right now
[17:20] <savvas> The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.
[17:20] <savvas> --Walt Disney :)
[17:21] <hackeron> Ng: it seems icecast would require a player like VLC or winamp to play the stream? -- is there anything more compatible that will work with quicktime and/or wmp?
[17:21] <poseidon> How do I portwforward in bittorrent to make downlaods faster.  I'm using azuerus
[17:21] <Leerok> Wow, quicktime?
[17:21] <Leerok> In Ubuntu?
[17:22] <hackeron> Leerok: quicktime compatible encoding in ubuntu, sure
[17:22] <napalmfred> poseidon you need to configure your router
[17:22] <savvas> poseidon: www.portforward.com
[17:22] <Ng> hackeron: I'm not sure, but I reckon quicktime and wmp could both play an icecast stream, it's just mp3/ogg/whatever via http
[17:22] <poseidon> savvas, thanks
[17:23] <evan_> does anyone know mtpfs?
[17:23] <hackeron> Ng: according to icecast.org they don't :) - I think they need RTP or some other type of streaming - I guess I could use vlc to stream out the data in a more compatible way
[17:23] <evan_> an does anyone know how to mount mtpfs?
[17:23] <evan_> and*
[17:24] <evan_> automaticly
[17:24] <hischild> evan_, use fstab
[17:24] <bazhang> darx: the firefox 6 pixel fonts finally kicked in after messing with language encoding
[17:25] <schwagner> has anyone here had any luck with a bluetooth mouse in hardy beta?
[17:28] <amx109> schwagner, im slowly starting to think no one has had much luck with anything in hardy
[17:28] <schwagner> amx109, ha
[17:28] <Leerok> Hmm.
[17:28] <schwagner> amx109, the only thing i can't get is the stupid mouse
[17:28] <Leerok> I just use Firefox and Abiword.
[17:28] <Leerok> They work quite well.
[17:29] <os2mac> having problems with my sound card after the upgrade it's a SiS AC'97 sound controller. Any Ideas?
[17:30] <os2mac> I can see it in LSPCI -v but aplay -l shows no module loaded.
[17:30] <amx109> schwagner, im afraid im uinable to be of any help to you ref your problem
[17:31] <amx109> os2mac, im havin a v.similar prob. even the alsa snd modules get loaded but alsa refuses to accept its existance
[17:31] <schwagner> amx109, no problem, good luck with your hardy issues  - sounds like you have a few :(
[17:32] <os2mac> amx109: I am in #alsa right now as well
[17:32] <amx109> schallstrom, heh ta.
[17:32] <Raspberry> guys -- if you're having sound issues... do this for me...  run "sudo lshw | more"
[17:32] <hischild> did they fix the issue yet where the battery notification wasn't updated unless acpi was being run/
[17:32] <Raspberry> look for your sound device and see if it has UNCLAIMED next to it
[17:32] <Raspberry> hischild: my battery notification works
[17:32] <poseidon> Is there a program to detect what type of reuter I am connected to?
[17:32] <darx> bazhang: I fixed it by setting the gtk font options. Is that what you did?
[17:33] <hischild> Raspberry, alright tnx
[17:33] <Raspberry> os2mac, amx109: I've seen the issue of missing module packages after upgrading to hardy ... did you do a dist-upgrade or was the sound already working in hardy?
[17:34] <Raspberry> schwagner: my bluetooth mouse has been working fine since Alpha2
[17:34] <hischild> ok here's a nice one ... what could cause any networked file transfer protocol to freeze after some megs have been transmitted? sftp and nfs have been tried so far, both failed. Ssh connections remain possible and those which are open during transfer don't close.
[17:34] <amx109> Raspberry, been using hardy since alpha 5, it seems one of the many updates has broken sound. i get the drum beat at the login screen, but nothing within gnome
[17:34] <bazhang> darx just happened by accident here ;]
[17:35] <Raspberry> amx109: ah -- probably the change to pulseaudio... right click on your sound mixer applet and make sure that PCM isn't turn off
[17:35] <chdst> Raspberry/os2mac: I was having the same issue and about to ask for some help, but noticed that I somehow didn't get the "linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic" package when I made the jump from 2.6.24-11.
[17:35] <Raspberry> amx109: right click... preferences... make sure your soundcard is selected and the proper channel is running the volume slider... PCM or master
[17:36] <amx109> Raspberry, im unable to. volume control says it cannot find any devices to control
[17:36] <Raspberry> chdst: yup -- exactly... I've seen that with at least a dozen people and the box I dist-upgraded from gutsy
[17:36] <Raspberry> amx109: make sure the pulseaudio packages are installed
[17:36] <os2mac> Raspberry: I did a dist upgrade and it was working before... I am showing my sound card as unclaimed in sudo lshw | more
[17:37] <Raspberry> os2mac: so ... go into Synaptec package manager and search for ubuntu-modules
[17:37] <amx109> Raspberry, ah yes, to add my soundcard *isnt* being shown as unclaimed. i shall check pulseaudio now
[17:37] <schwagner> Raspberry, any tips?  i can get the bluetooth applet to see it, but i can't add it in the input section, and hidd is gone now, so i'm kinda out of ideas
[17:37] <Raspberry> os2mac: select ( to install ) all module packages for generic ... and your hardware platform (typically 386)
[17:39] <Raspberry> schwagner: yes... it's a common problem -- there's a gnome bluetooth module that needs to installed ...  basically read this and make sure you have all these packages installed
[17:39] <Raspberry> schwagner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=468467
[17:39] <amx109> Raspberry, i seem to have all the appropriate pulseaudio packages installed
[17:40] <os2mac> Raspberry: I don't see any packages in Synaptic that are labelled generic I do see some Linux modules marked with an ubuntu symbol that are NOT loaded
[17:40] <Raspberry> os2mac: after you install the module packages you can do a modprobe if you know how to do that ... otherwise rebootign will get the sound working
[17:40] <Raspberry> os2mac: what are the package names/
[17:41] <hwilde> is there any significant advantage to compiling the kernel?
[17:41] <chdst> Raspberry: I modprobed, the devices are showing up on the mixer and all, but still no sound. Any pointers/docs?
[17:41] <CarlFK> where can I see how well a wifi nic is supported?  lspci: 168c:001c  Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express
[17:41] <amx109> hwilde, would depend on ure needs. do you have any in particular?#
[17:41] <Raspberry> chdst: force a reinstall of your current kernel and module packages in synaptic
[17:42] <Raspberry> chdst: I found that it's looking for the modules in the wrong library path
[17:42] <hwilde> amx109, will it be faster, use less memory, take up less space,  I dunno.  if everything works is there any reason to compile
[17:42] <hwilde> CarlFK, the ath_pci module supports the atheros chipset.
[17:42] <amx109> hwilde, short answer, no
[17:43] <chdst> Raspberry: I hate synaptic, but I'll do the reinstall. Thanks for the help. :)
[17:43] <os2mac> Raspberry: I think I got it. but  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic is already installed, however the -386 version isn't ... .lemme try this.
[17:43] <Raspberry> os2mac: make sure linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic is installed
[17:43] <amx109> hwilde, are you using ubuntu on fairly modern hardware?
[17:43] <Raspberry> os2mac: yeah make sure you install the 386 packages
[17:43] <Raspberry> the generic pacakges are just fake / meta wrappers for the real packages
[17:43] <Raspberry> or maybe it's the other way around :P
[17:43] <CarlFK> I enabled Atheros in the restricted driver dialog, but nothing (iwconfig, ifconfig, dmesg) sees it
[17:43] <hwilde> amx109, it ranges, I have some old laptops, some middl of the line desktops, and some brand new stuff too
[17:44] <os2mac> loading packages right now... please stand by
[17:44] <hwilde> CarlFK, soundslike a hardware problem to me.  did you google for other users with the same issue?
[17:45] <hwilde> amx109, there are so other factons here that want to go with gentoo and compile everything, or linux from scratch and build it piece by piece...  but as far as i'm concerned ubuntu works so I see no reason
[17:45] <jin> CarlFK: restart your system first?
[17:45] <Raspberry> anybody else have really poor performance out of Thunderbird over th elast few days?
[17:45] <CarlFK> hwilde: not yet.  lsmod|grep ath does show it being loaded - I'll poke at it some more
[17:45] <amx109> hwilde, you might be able to tune certain options to make the kernel work 'better' on older hardware. but even on my eee (slow, tho not old) i havent felt the need to roll my own kernel
[17:45] <hwilde> CarlFK, modprobe ath_pci
[17:45] <vivek3> how do i free up space in /boot !!
[17:46] <jin> vivek3: you can't +
[17:46] <vivek3> The upgrade aborts now. The upgrade needs a total of 52.4M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 12.9M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[17:46] <vivek3> now what??
[17:46] <fromport> remove unused kernel (if available)
[17:46] <hwilde> amx109, I like the eee pc interface tho
[17:46] <macogw> vivek3: if you uninstall some old kernels, thatll free space in /boot
[17:46] <vivek3> i dont know how to do that
[17:46] <Jaymac> vivek3: yeah, i have about 10 old kernels in /boot
[17:47] <CarlFK> hwilde: [54691.507105] wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[17:47] <amx109> hwilde, mee toooo. tho sound isbroken on hardy atm. well. semi broken. and prob only for me, such is my luck
[17:47] <fromport> aptitude purge linux-image-[version]
[17:47] <CarlFK> %d looks like its own bug.
[17:47] <vivek3> how do i remove them then???
[17:47] <hwilde> vivek3,   sudo du -a --max-depth=1 /boot | sort -k1 -n              look at the bottom of the list for the biggest files.  probably some .baks you can delete
[17:47] <vivek3> okay doing that now
[17:48] <hwilde> CarlFK, there is a new hal coming out - openhal
[17:48] <amx109> Raspberry, t-bird is running fine for me
[17:48] <hwilde> CarlFK, you could try asking in #madwifi they are shmart
[17:48] <CarlFK> hwilde: will openhal be part of Hardy?
[17:48] <CarlFK> hwilde: will do
[17:48] <vivek3> okay i really dont understand the output, can someone help me with that?? should i paste it here?
[17:49] <fromport> !pastebin
[17:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[17:50] <vivek3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61035/
[17:50] <vivek3> there
[17:50] <CarlFK> how do I figure out what package ath_pci is in?
[17:51] <vivek3> now what?
[17:51] <Raspberry> amx109: I restarted it and it's working fine ... I wonder if it has a memory leak since I leave it open for days on end
[17:53] <amx109> CarlFK, erm 'sudo aptitude search ath' ?
[17:53] <amx109> vivek3, are you familiar with using apt-get or aptitude on the command line?
[17:54] <vivek3> yes use apt-get all the time
[17:54] <CarlFK> look like it is  http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:54] <amx109> vivek3, sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:54] <amx109> or whatever hte appropriate package name is
[17:54] <CarlFK> so is that teh package I file the wifi%d against ?
[17:54] <savvas> CarlFK: dpkg -S file
[17:55] <amx109> vivek3, i think using aptitude, it figures out the related/dependant packages to remove also
[17:55] <vivek3> did that, its working, should that free u enough space???
[17:55] <savvas> CarlFK: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/madwifi/ath_pci.ko
[17:55] <CarlFK> savvas: thanks: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[17:55] <savvas> ;)
[17:55] <amx109> vivek3, you should be ok to remove -14 and -15
[17:55] <hischild> ok here's a nice one ... what could cause any networked file transfer protocol to freeze after some megs have been transmitted? sftp and nfs have been tried so far, both failed. Ssh connections remain possible and those which are open during transfer don't close.
[17:56] <amx109> vivek3, df -h will tell u
[17:56] <vivek3> u mean sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-15-generic too
[17:56] <amx109> vivek3, yea. im assuming your using -16 (uname -r to tell)
[17:56] <savvas> hischild: you used connect to server from the places menu?
[17:57] <hischild> savvas, i used manual connection via nautilus when using sftp, and nfs was via fstab
[17:57] <vivek3> sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:57] <vivek3> oops sorry
[17:58] <vivek3> uname -r
[17:58] <vivek3> 2.6.22-14-generic
[17:58] <vivek3> errr.....that means im using 14 right??? and i just asked it to remove that
[17:58] <amx109> vivek3, yikes!
[17:58] <vivek3> now what!!!
[17:58] <hischild> vivek3, reinstall it
[17:58] <hischild> and DONT REBOOT
[17:59] <amx109> vivek3, is there any reason your using -14 and not -16?
[17:59] <vivek3> i dont know
[18:00] <vivek3> i didnt really select or ask it to pick a particular one
[18:00] <os2mac> Raspberry: can you refresh my memory on how to do a modprobe?
[18:00] <savvas> os2mac: sudo modprobe mod
[18:00] <savvas> :)
[18:00] <savvas> lsmod to pick a mod
[18:01] <amx109> savvas, quick draw there my friend
[18:01] <vivek3> but man, now what??? should i close the remove window?? im sure it has caused some damage atleast,so now what
[18:01] <savvas> hischild: my sftp connections time out, is that the same case with yours?
[18:01] <amx109> vivek3, hav you apt installed -14?
[18:01] <vivek3> nope
[18:02] <amx109> vivek3, did -14 get removed?
[18:02] <savvas> amx109: busy hands, I've been translating a book all day :)
[18:02] <hischild> savvas, during active transfer of >2mbps?
[18:02] <apollo13> hi, I installed ubuntu 8.04 and I am wondering why the Desktop is showing ~ instead of ~/Desktop; any ideas?
[18:02] <vivek3> noe its still working on removing it
[18:02] <savvas> hischild: um no, while reading the /home/user directory of the remote location :\
[18:02] <amx109> vivek3, let it remove. once its finished, apt install it back
[18:02] <vivek3> hehe, okay
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, then u shud be ok. what id do then, is reboot, selecting -16. make sure everything works then remove -14
[18:03] <vivek3> or if i just upgrade to 8.04 it will reinstall right?
[18:03] <vivek3> oh, i guess i can do taht
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, 8.04 will install a new kernel
[18:03] <_moro_bana_> how is hardy coming up fellow linuxers*
[18:03] <amx109> vivek3, infact, if ure plannin on upgradin to hardy anytime soon i wouldnt bother with my last suggestion
[18:03] <vivek3> so i dont have to bother installing 14 again
[18:04] <amx109> _moro_bana_, muy bueno
[18:04] <vivek3> yes i was upgrading right now, it was hardy that told me i didnt have enought space in /boot to upgrade
[18:04] <amx109> vivek3,oh! then no ure prob ok
[18:04] <vivek3> :D sweet
[18:05] <amx109> vivek3, well...
[18:05] <hischild> savvas, mine appears to freeze during mid transfer of transfers of >2mbps
[18:05] <_moro_bana_> amx109: english please, im interested in testing hardy now, just wanna know how well brewed it is at the moment
[18:05] <hischild> which is why i'm wondering why it does that
[18:05] <amx109> vivek3, how much free space does df -h show for /boot?
[18:05] <savvas> hischild: no timeout error popping up?
[18:05] <amx109> _moro_bana_, aplologies. its been quite stable and trouble free (apart from the libc6 mixup)
[18:05] <savvas> hischild: something about a freedesktop dbus
[18:06] <hischild> savvas, no error
[18:06] <hischild> savvas, it just, freezes
[18:06] <savvas> hischild: ah ok then, try report yours as well
[18:06] <amx109> _moro_bana_, my desktop is running brilliantly, from a fresh install of alpha5. beta is fairly rounded i think
[18:06] <vivek3> /dev/hda6              92M   49M   38M  57% /boot
[18:07] <hischild> savvas, alright will do once i get back later tonight ... have to survive first aid recourse tonight first when playing victim ...
[18:07] <amx109> vivek3, reinstall -14. remove -16. that shud be more than enough room
[18:07] <savvas> hischild: play dead and get kissed, my favourite part :P
[18:07] <vivek3> okay :D
[18:07] <amx109> savvas, lol
[18:08] <hischild> savvas, hahah ... already had that part i'm afraid ... tonight it's scaring some first aid ppl and trying to avoid them helping my sister
[18:08] <_moro_bana_> amx109: that is good news, i will upgrade my second install to give it a shot, i loved the graphics the first time i saw em months ago, what does lib6 do  exactly
[18:08] <vivek3> i dont know what this guy is doing, its downloading some 70mb to REMOVE 14!!!
[18:08] <vivek3> how weird
[18:09] <amx109> _moro_bana_, libc6 is a bunch of core c libraries used by alot of things. it breaks, everything built on top of it breaks
[18:10] <hischild> good luck folks, i'm out ... bb
[18:10] <savvas> hischild: wait till you get into med school, you'll play dead more often, while dodging aroused nurses :p
[18:11] <ubuntunoob> hello all
[18:11] <ubuntunoob> i need help
[18:12] <jin> !flash
[18:12] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:12] <_moro_bana_> amx109: got that, i ll be back when i have i problem.thanks
[18:12] <ubuntunoob> will ubuntu install side by side with windows so i can choose which OS i want to run when i start?
[18:13] <amx109> ubuntulog, yes
[18:14] <Ng> ubuntunoob: you get several options during the install, either to take over the entire disk for ubuntu, or to resize windows and have the two together, or do figure it out manually
[18:14] <ubuntunoob> interesting cool ty
[18:14] <ubuntunoob> tigerdirect praises ubuntu so i said i will try it... i like the open source end
[18:17] <CarlFK> how do I report a bug against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:17] <omar> Can I access the trash bin from the terminal??
[18:18] <Lnxmad> I was wondering if anyone could give me a heads up on major bugs before i install
[18:18] <Raspberry> omar: ~/.Trash
[18:18] <Raspberry> omar: but as I understand it -- that's only the "local" trash and each drive has it's own trash
[18:18] <Lnxmad> So there are no bugs
[18:18] <Lnxmad> ok sweet
[18:18] <Raspberry> in Linux  ... no way
[18:18] <ks> question: do I need to put options (like  --with=ext3 --preload=ext3 --with=xennet --builtin=aic7xxx --builtin=serverworks --preload=xenblk ) into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d  ?
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: yes there are bugs
[18:19] <Ng> CarlFK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+filebug
[18:19] <amx109> Lnxmad, a full bug list is avail on launchpad
[18:19] <ks> if I wanna create optional initrd image ?
[18:19] <Lnxmad> but i mean are there any real noticable onea
[18:19] <Lnxmad> ones
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[18:19] <Lnxmad> thx
[18:19] <Raspberry> Lnxmad: there's one bug right now that sends your browser history to Ubuntu
[18:20] <CarlFK> Ng: how did you find that?
[18:20] <Raspberry> but I think they're calling it a feature
[18:20] <CarlFK> Ng: (thanks btw)
[18:20] <Raspberry> and they marked it "Invalid" "Won't Fix"
[18:20] <omar> Raspberry: Yes but I just have some folders in the trash that the system does not allow me to delete normally 'coz it claim that they are protected and need a permission.
[18:20] <Ng> CarlFK: start off at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and search for the name of the package, then go into the Bugs tab and Report Bug
[18:20] <omar> claimss*
[18:20] <omar> claims*** ><
[18:21] <Raspberry> and there's another bug that tracks the document you work on the most and longest and then deletes it after the system (through a complex mathmatical formula) determines that the work you've done is irreplaceable
[18:21] <Raspberry> but that should be fixed by RC1
[18:21] <amx109> Raspberry, isnt that murphys law?
[18:21] <CarlFK> Ng: some how all the pages I found the 'bugs tab' were disabled
[18:21] <Lnxmad> thatts retarded
[18:22] <Ng> CarlFK: it depends what you're looking at - e.g. if it relates to a specific binary package rather than the source package it came from
[18:22] <Raspberry> that's they're going to fix it?  yeah, I think they should leave it in... it'll teach people to make frequent backups
[18:22]  * cyclonut throws bugs @ Raspberry 
[18:22] <cyclonut> thatll teach him
[18:23] <xopher> hi, why is transmission, and not eg. deluge included in hardy by default? Is the focus on ease to use, or performance or why?
[18:23] <Raspberry> I think the best thing about linux is the fact that I never get told "this file is in use" -- no more trying to figure out what whacked out background system process is holding my drive or document hostage even though I haven't run it in 3 days
[18:24] <cyclonut> xopher, I believe that it is due to ease of use and reliability
[18:25] <cyclonut> xopher, personally, deluge crashed on me daily. Azureus is bloated, and the old bit torrent software stunk
[18:25] <cyclonut> my only real gripe w/transmission is the lack of a peerblocking module
[18:26] <xopher> well what's bothering me with deluge atm, is the incredibly slow 'file checking' which seems to happen each time I start the app nowadays, so Im trying transmission now, works fine on os x, so why wouldn't it work just fine here too.. ツ
[18:26] <xopher> oh.. :/
[18:27] <omar> Guys I have two files in the Trash bin that can not be deleted normally, because the system claims the are protected and need a permission, how do I delete them??
[18:27] <omar> they*
[18:27] <vivek3> nothing beats utorrent, pity its not cross platform
[18:27] <cyclonut> xopher, deluge does do that horrible file check, but azureus does as well. Granted, I havent really used transmission enough to see if it has the same feature.
[18:27] <cyclonut> omar, go through terminal and use sudo?
[18:28] <vivek3> deluge takes longer than any other client
[18:28] <Tuv0k> not for me
[18:28] <Tuv0k> transmission is the worst
[18:28] <cyclonut> again, I love deluge, but it crashes ALL the time
[18:28] <cyclonut> and when it crashes, it wont start up again without deleting the config files
[18:29] <Tuv0k> deluge used to crash all the time, but it stopped
[18:29] <cyclonut> no kiddin. since when?
[18:29] <omar> cyclonut: Yes, when I used cd `/.Trash command, it took me to different trash, and I didn't find the files I want there.
[18:29] <Tuv0k> its the plugins that make it crash
[18:29] <Lnxmad> so how buggy is this for everyday use>?
[18:29] <cyclonut> omar, try cd /home/omar/.Trash
[18:30] <cyclonut> bicyclist, road or mountain? :)
[18:30] <omar> vivek3:  I believe Azureus is the best torrent downloader ever. :)
[18:30] <cyclonut> omar, it is bloated beyond belief.
[18:30] <vivek3> omar: too slw, i got only 512mb ram :(
[18:30] <bicyclist> cyclonut: Every day bicyclist. But using a trekking bike ;)
[18:30] <Lnxmad> utorrent
[18:31] <vivek3> im running utorrent on wine
[18:31] <Lnxmad> how buggy is 8.04 for everyday use?
[18:31] <cyclonut> bicyclist, touring is quite nice, my every day rider is a cyclocross-turned-tourer-turned-singlespeed :)
[18:31] <peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:31] <omar> cyclonut: Okay, thanks, but I one more problem, the names of the files contain spaces.
[18:31] <bicyclist> Lnxmad i am running it on my all day machine but then i am a bit of a freak too.
[18:32] <cyclonut> omar, when you are specifying a file with spaces, put a backslash before the space
[18:32] <Lnxmad> so its not to bad?
[18:32] <cyclonut> Lnxmad, I get better stability than with gutsy, personally
[18:32] <cyclonut> that said
[18:32] <omar> cyclonut: Okay, thanks a lot.
[18:32] <bicyclist> It is quiet stable in my opinion yet it is NOT, repeat NOT recommended for teh machine you depend upon.
[18:32] <cyclonut> you will have to work thrhough a few bugs.
[18:32] <peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:32] <bicyclist> but finding bugs can be rewarding and you help making a already great os even better !
[18:32] <peter-> Sry of spamming
[18:32] <Lnxmad> well for some reason i am unable to install gusty
[18:32] <bicyclist> And there is always this great community
[18:33] <Lnxmad> I use to be able to
[18:33] <Lnxmad> it gets stuck at loading grub
[18:33] <cyclonut> Peter-, thanks for apolgizing  :) unfortunately, I cannot help you
[18:33] <cyclonut> Peter-, perhaps someone else here may be able to.
[18:34] <Peter-> cyclonut: I hope so.
[18:34] <mib_t3v1a82d> Hey guys. I just wanna make sure before I file it as a bug. I have Dell D830 with Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M. After installing nvidia driver, X loads with low resolution. Everything was up-to-date
[18:34] <_moro_bana_> anyone know of any gui builder
[18:34] <_moro_bana_> c++
[18:34] <xopher> anyone here who knows why my ALC850 sndcard gives me sound to only the front speakers? (And that too only when duplicate front is ticked .. )
[18:34] <amx109> _moro_bana_, bluefish?
[18:35] <_moro_bana_> amx109: have you ever used borland c++  on windows, i want something like that
[18:35] <amx109> _moro_bana_, fraid not. im a java man myself
[18:35] <os2mac> Raspberry: that seems to have fixed the issue.
[18:36]  * cyclonut is frightened to install HAL and video-intel updates
[18:36] <amx109> _moro_bana_, sorry, i meant to say anjuta
[18:36] <_moro_bana_> amx109: i see, im always trying new things, i think i should take jave for a ride
[18:37] <amx109> _moro_bana_, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanjuta.sourceforge.net%2F&ei=QkbpR9-HM4-A0wT2tqmWBw&usg=AFQjCNErvx0mKRvyz_Xz4kx9l9vDAfSMNg&sig2=bsV4DG5HbPQExSsZ-eEeQQ
[18:37] <_moro_bana_> amx109: anjunta, tried it, ddint go well wth me, whats does the url have for me
[18:37] <amx109> _moro_bana_, sf.net project page, mangled by google search results
[18:38] <amx109> _moro_bana_, alot of ppl i know who program in linux use things like vim. simple yet powerful tools
[18:38] <vivek3> vim has weird controls.....
[18:39] <cyclonut> I never took the leap into vim
[18:39] <cyclonut> personally, I use eclipse
[18:39] <os2mac> VI forever!
[18:39] <os2mac> :)
[18:39] <UnNaturalHigh> medit
[18:39] <amx109> oh no. ive started a flame war
[18:39] <UnNaturalHigh> simple elegant gui
[18:39] <_moro_bana_> amx109: i will have to try em all
[18:39] <vivek3> vi and vim the same?
[18:40] <os2mac> amx109: nope just the current battle this war has been around for a LONG time.
[18:40] <amx109> os2mac, indeed
[18:40] <mib_t3v1a82d> Can someone help me installing nvidia driver?
[18:40] <amx109> !envyng
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envyng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:40] <amx109> bugger
[18:40] <gew1> thank you for fixing network-manager :X
[18:41] <amx109> !envy
[18:41] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[18:41] <mib_t3v1a82d> I did install envyng, used it, and now X doesn't start.
[18:41] <vivek3> just go to administration and click on restricted drivers
[18:41] <vivek3> and elable nvidia
[18:41] <vivek3> enable* :)
[18:41] <_moro_bana_> amx109: what about you, do you work on linux, one of them developers?
[18:41] <mib_t3v1a82d> I tried enabling nvidia from the restricted modules, and it gives me the same result
[18:41] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, what does ure xorg log say in terms of errors?
[18:41] <monolith> I had a 7.10 install, and as my /home is on a seperate partion I just did a clean install of the kubuntu-kde4 beta. At first it was okay, but KDE4 was too unstable so I installed kubuntu-desktop to get kde3 too. However, sound no-longer works. Can anyone help?
[18:42] <amx109> _moro_bana_, noooo not me. i just hav an avg amount of linux knowledge. was usin debian before ubuntu came abt. i also hav a few issues with hardy, hence me beig here
[18:43] <vivek3> is there anyway i can know what all application are using how much of my internet bandwidth at a given point of time???
[18:44] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx, how do I view my xorg log?
[18:44] <Raspberry> os2mac strange isn't it
[18:44] <vivek3> my internet i working real slowly and the upgrade is crawling, was wondering if any application was eating my bandwidth
[18:45] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <Raspberry> i think there are just a lot of people upgrading
[18:45] <vivek3> possible i guess
[18:46] <Raspberry> my downloads have been about 40-110kbps from ubuntu and I have a 320kbps pipe
[18:46] <vivek3> mine have stopped now!!
[18:46] <_moro_bana_> amx109:how id ubuntu compared to debian, only tried mandriva then threw it away
[18:46] <vivek3> started again 37b/s LOL
[18:47] <amx109> _moro_bana_, ubuntu 'just worked'. much slicker user experience. more polished
[18:47] <bicyclist> Raspberry well, maybe related to the broken cable in the northatlantic connecting europe with the united states
[18:47] <bicyclist> some servers for me are extremely slow too some just fine but overall i found a decrease of speed.
[18:48] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, interestingly, I don't see any error. It says that everything is loaded and enabled .. etc.
[18:48] <amx109> no (WW) or (EE) lines?
[18:49] <vivek3> stopped again!! this is going to take forever, can i leave it on for the night and trust it to complete the upgrade or will it ask for password and all every once in a while??
[18:50] <os2mac> Raspberry: what's that?
[18:50] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx, there is only one WW that says "the EDID for display device DFP-0 is invalid: that checksum for EDID version 1 is invalid"
[18:50] <doofy_> shouldnt the real install be identical to what the live cd is? My ide drive is accesible on the live cd but not on the install (it doesnt even show up in fdisk -l)
[18:51] <amx109> hmm
[18:51] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, based on that there is another WW that says "Unable to gt display device DFP-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI from DFP-0's EDID
[18:52] <amx109> its the EE's that are important i think
[18:52] <vivek3> good night everybody i am off :)
[18:52] <_moro_bana_> amx109:  got any java links, advice on where to start?
[18:52] <Leerok> java.sun.com
[18:53] <Pici`> !java
[18:53] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[18:53] <mib_t3v1a82d> Well, there is no EEs at all. I have the II and **
[18:53] <amx109> _moro_bana_, the online tuts are a good place to start. java trails etc
[18:53] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, would you put the error log into pastebin for me?
[18:54] <_moro_bana_> thanks to everyone
[18:55] <amx109> _moro_bana_, java is split into three main areas. j2me for mobile type stuff, j2se for desktop, and j2ee for server-side. i specialise i nthe latter
[18:55] <Peter-> I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[18:55] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I'll try to do that. I am not sure that I can because the computer isn't loaded
[18:55] <mib_t3v1a82d> I am using another computer for the IRC
[18:55] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you could scp the file?
[18:56] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, yes I can
[18:57] <_moro_bana_> amx109: cool! how long did it take you  to come to that level
[18:57] <amx109> _moro_bana_, erm. years
[18:59] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, is it possible to scp the file to pastebin?
[18:59] <bhsx> ok, here's a new one...   after wiping my windows and repartitioning, installing ubuntu, then windows.....   windows will only boot to safe mode :/
[18:59] <stoffer_> join #mybookworld
[18:59] <nDuff> I'm running Hardy with the nvidia-new driver and a TwinView configuration, and one of my screens occasionally flashes blank for a half-second or so. Known issue, or is there a better-supported dual-head configuration I should be using?
[18:59] <bhsx> when i try regular mode it just reboots back out to POST\
[19:00] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, erm dont think so
[19:00] <doofy_> anyone know why a disk would be visible on the hardy live cd, but wont show up with fdisk -l on the hardy install?
[19:00] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, how can I show you the file then :S?
[19:00] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, copy it to ure local machien then upload to pastebin?
[19:01] <sourcemaker> how do I mount a crypto_LUKS filesystem?
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, I think there's an available "pastebin" command which will post it directly. Not sure what package it's in.
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, looks like the package is "pastebinit".
[19:01] <sourcemaker> I installed the new kubuntu beta yesterday and now I try to copy my home data to the encrypted file system? how ?
[19:01] <nDuff> mib_t3v1a82d, ...though there's another, "webboard".
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, Amm .. this is kinda tricky in here. :) .. but we will see. I have another question.
[19:02] <bardyr> Hey
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> There is a file called Xorg.9.log?
[19:02] <mib_t3v1a82d> Thanks a lot nDuff
[19:02] <amx109> 0
[19:02] <amx109> i think the log files are cycled
[19:03] <fr500> hello
[19:03] <nDuff> amx109, that number is typically a reference to the X display number, not to log cycling
[19:03] <fr500> i installed hardy everything goes fine but direct rendering
[19:03] <amx109> nDuff, oh. learn somet new everyday
[19:03] <mib_t3v1a82d> gotcha
[19:03] <nDuff> amx109, ...but yes, they are regularly overwritten.
[19:04] <fr500> i can't read video card related nodes like /dev/nvidia0 as user
[19:04] <fr500> i could do that in gutsy
[19:04] <adinc> are those guys still here who were successfuly using a iwl3945 driver with there intel wireless device?
[19:08] <elliotjhug> Hi all, Just about to get hardy, but I've been running 32bit ubuntu since breezy - I'm considering going for 64bit now, any compelling applications I'm going to miss out on, or are they pretty much all available now?
[19:11] <nDuff> elliotjhug, I'm running native 64-bit, and not missing anything that I notice.
[19:11] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, here is the log file http://pastebin.com/f38b7fc26
[19:11] <elliotjhug> nDuff: Thanks - I won't be doing anything too outlandish on it - I'll go for it
[19:12] <nDuff> elliotjhug, the only thing I can recall being a real PITA was Dell's VNC-in-a-browser-plugin implementation for controlling DRACs; I ended up using WINE to run Internet Explorer for that.
[19:12] <elliotjhug> great
[19:13] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, hmm
[19:14] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, what does a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart get you?
[19:14] <Peter->  I got a problem. Its called for urban terror sound problem. In terminal i get http://paste.arkku.net/index.php?id=107941580847e9442479d88 this.
[19:15] <Smegzor> I started upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 last night and found the computer frozen this morning.  Its rebooted fine and its still 7.10.  Whats the best way to resume the update from here?  Its reporting a large number of updates available but saying I can only do a partial update from those.
[19:15] <Peter-> Smegzor: Do you want to hear easiest way to upgrade?
[19:15] <Smegzor> I have /home in its own partition and I do have a spare partition the same size as /
[19:16] <Peter-> Smegzor: Download Hardy, burn it to cd. Install it from cd. Voilá
[19:16] <brianski> am i the only one experiencing periodic freezups from thunderbird on an upgrade from gutsy?
[19:16] <sourcemaker> I try to mount an encrypted file system with kubuntu gusty... the following message occurred: Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping.
[19:17] <elliotjhug> sourcemaker: try #ubuntu
[19:17] <Smegzor> I'm wondering if it would be easy to install 8.04 to the empty partion and still have /home in the current /home partition with zero lose of data?
[19:17] <mib_t3v1a82d> For the stopping it says OK, for the starting it says OK. When it loads, it gives me the weird screen, nothing in there. It is as if a wrong driver is installed.
[19:18] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, weird screen?
[19:18] <Smegzor> I also have almost a terrabyte of backup storage so I could back up home before trying to make it belong to 8.04 (I know I can migrate /home to a new install but I've never done it)
[19:18] <mib_t3v1a82d> It is in X, but it is like when you choose a different driver, so the screen is screwed and you can't see the mouse pointer or anything.
[19:20] <Smegzor> Is there a guide somewhere on preserving /home after a reinstall upgrade?
[19:20] <marlun> What could be the reason for the screen to go into sleep mode when gnome is opened? I want to install ubuntu on it. I see the progress bar but when gnome is about to be opened the monitor gets black and the light turns orange.
[19:20] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you have a quadro card?
[19:20] <mib_t3v1a82d> Yes
[19:21] <amx109> are the drivers installed by envy the correct ones??
[19:21] <mib_t3v1a82d> Yes
[19:21] <mib_t3v1a82d> I tried to install the default ones from Ubuntu, but it gives me the EXACT same result
[19:21] <Infecto> hmm
[19:22] <Infecto> i have big problems with therma l support under linux :)
[19:22] <Infecto> in hp
[19:22] <Infecto> pavilion
[19:22] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, im not sure. at a guess, could it be to do with vert/horizontal refresh or pixel clock setting for your display?
[19:22] <Infecto> windows isfrom 20 10 celcius lover than under linux
[19:23] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I am almost sure it is the reason. Do you know how can I fix that?
[19:23] <TobiasTheCommie> could anyone verify that evdev on hardy is broken?
[19:23] <mib_t3v1a82d> Because I remembered now, 4 years ago I had the same problem and it was with the refresh rate .. etc.
[19:23] <TobiasTheCommie> i get a lot of "null" errors for my mouse when using, hardy, and X crashes whenever i press a mouse button except button 1
[19:24] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, I think the WW lines refer to that too. (Not sure)
[19:24] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, you can specify the refreshrates explicity in ure xorg conf
[19:25] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, yea, i think the EDID info contains that info
[19:25] <mib_t3v1a82d> amx109, do you have an example on how to write them explicity in /etc/X11/xorg.cong?
[19:25] <mib_t3v1a82d> *conf
[19:25] <amx109> mib_t3v1a82d, google your display make/model with ref to xorg and see if anyone has had similar problems. no doubt they have
[19:28] <tapoxi> Hi all, I had to uninstall xserver-xgl because of compatibility issues after upgrading to hardy. After that, I attempted to use Compiz with Xorg, but it won't work "The composite extension is not available.". I'm using a FireGL 5200 with the fglrx driver. Ideas?
[19:29] <ks> how do I create initrd file in hardy ?
[19:33] <Infecto> can some one help me with building a kenrle on my own? i can build kernel, thats no problem
[19:33] <Infecto> but
[19:33] <Infecto> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[19:33] <Infecto> i want to name it
[19:33] <Infecto> and when i add
[19:33] <Infecto> custom-binary-FLAVOUR
[19:33] <Infecto>  it dotn work, call an error
[19:34] <doofy_> would there be a reason that the hardy live cd picks up an IDE hdd but the actual install doesnt?
[19:35] <brianski> doofy_: can you be a little more specific?
[19:35] <brianski> is it your boot hd?
[19:35] <doofy_> brianski, the drive is mountable under the live cd (and gutsy) but it doesnt even show up under fdisk -l on the actual hardy install
[19:36] <doofy_> brianski, no it is not my boot hd
[19:36] <brianski> tapoxi: see if there is a bug report. if not, file one ?
[19:37] <brianski> doofy_: anything interesting in dmesg?
[19:37] <doofy_> brianski, after boot?
[19:39] <Raspberry> In KDE4, I can't seen to change my display settings in the Display settings of the System Settings app... the OK button just stays grayed out
[19:39] <Eroick> hey, the LTS upgrade is the upgrade from the last LTS version to hardy, right?
[19:39] <doofy_> when i try to mount it i get mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist the device node isnt in /dev either
[19:40] <brianski> doofy_: dmesg | grep sd[a-z]
[19:40] <Flannel> Eroick: 6.06 to 8.04, yes
[19:40] <doofy_> brianski, do you mean dmesg | grep hd[a-z]
[19:41] <Eroick> Flannel: ok, I've got 7.10 so I can just do update-manager with the devel release flag.
[19:41] <Flannel> Eroick: correct.
[19:41] <doofy_> brianski, there is for sd http://pastebin.ca/957093
[19:44] <JediMaster> Hi, I've just installed Hardy Heron beta (4?), and I'm happy to say no problems with the install and setup (other than the very fast moving map in the timezone selector), and seems to be working nicely, the only issue I've come across is that I can only select 640x480 and 800x600 @ 60Hz, and it says it's not actually using the nvidia_new driver even though it's enabled. Any ideas how I can enable higher resolutions? (it's an older CRT t
[19:45] <JediMaster> seeing as the xorg.conf is now *extremely* slim, I wasn't sure where to start, enabling the nvidia_new driver and the resolutions...
[19:45] <doofy_> brianski, the only thing i can think of is that a kernel module is not being installed... but i tried digging that up last night and had no luck
[19:48] <bhsx> does anyone know of a way to playback iTunes-purchased music (my daughter's) in ubuntu?
[19:49] <Sodamodo> Hello
[19:50] <Sodamodo> bhsx , What were you saying about ext3?
[19:50] <bhsx> think you got the wrong guy...
[19:50] <Sodamodo> ok
[19:51] <Sodamodo> I said Heron was slow and you asked if I had ext3
[19:51] <JediMaster> anyone know of any config programs for xorg to change the driver/screen res in hardy heron?
[19:52] <Sodamodo> bhsx , no bells?
[19:52] <bhsx> oh yeah
[19:53] <bhsx> or if you were running on ntfs on a virtual drive
[19:53] <amx109> JediMaster, gnome-randr-applet
[19:53] <Sodamodo> Its a straight up ext3, I looked at Gparted
[19:53] <bhsx> gotcha
[19:53] <bhsx> i actually figured out the answer after some other things you had said
[19:54] <bhsx> which is why i didn't pursue it
[19:54] <JediMaster> amx109: thanks, couldn't find anything but announcements for hardy heron as it says about the resolution app!
[19:54] <JediMaster> from google
[19:54] <Sodamodo> any reason for sluggishness, besides beta-ness that is
[19:54] <bhsx> i'm sure there's SOME reason for it... but i'm not seeing it here....   this is easily the best-responding desktop i've ever used (in linux)
[19:54] <Sodamodo> Hmm.
[19:55] <JediMaster> amx109: doesn't appear to be installed and can't find it with apt-get search
[19:56] <amx109> JediMaster, sudo aptitude install gnome-randr-applet
[19:56] <bhsx> no suggestions for playback of FairPlay aacs files?
[19:56] <amx109> JediMaster, also, use randr for the search term
[19:57] <JediMaster> doesn't help that I've just installed it and not connected it to teh network yet lol
[19:58] <Sodamodo> bhsx , im going to reinstall, this pushing murderously slow.
[19:58] <Sodamodo> this is*
[19:59] <bhsx> good luck
[19:59] <bhsx> i'm still having problems with my lappy & XP
[19:59] <bhsx> i think Gpartd in hardy may be buggy
[20:01] <bhsx> hey how do i brighten my display in hardy?  (i dont have a brightness wheel)
[20:02] <fromport> bhsx: laptop ?
[20:03] <bhsx> aye
[20:03] <fromport> system -> prefences -> screen resolution
[20:04] <fromport> hmmm it _used_ to  be there... looks different ... sorry
[20:04] <bhsx> np
[20:04] <bhsx> i looked there :)
[20:05] <fromport> did you look under "power management" ?
[20:05] <bhsx> hang on a sec... i actually am installing windows atm
[20:06] <flackblag> bhsx: many laptops use Fn+F9/F10
[20:06] <flackblag> or Fn plus other function keys
[20:06] <flackblag> I don't think hardy has a software setting in the GUI
[20:06] <bhsx> oh lol, i never noticed that :)
[20:07] <bhsx> yup fm +f9
[20:07] <bhsx> fn
[20:07] <flackblag> :)
[20:10] <flackblag> I would like to track down a sudden sound issue and have a hard time locating where the actual breakage occurred. It seems like a bug to me. Any help would be appreciated:
[20:10] <flackblag> Sound always worked fine for me, also in Hardy
[20:10] <bhsx> flackblag: you mean where you have sound with all applications... then it seems to just stop working?
[20:10] <flackblag> Yesterday, after installing lots of updates from the weekend, sound in totem-gstreamer stopped working
[20:10] <bhsx> i came across that yesterday on this desktop
[20:11] <flackblag> Sound elsewhere is fine
[20:11] <bhsx> maybe the new totem forgot to setup as pulseaudio?
[20:11] <flackblag> gstreamer-properties is set to PulseAudio, as it has been for a while (when it worked)
[20:11] <flackblag> when I reun the test in gstreamer-properties, I get: "PulseAudio Sound Server: Failed to connect: Connection refused"
[20:12] <bhsx> bbiab, gotta go paint a wall (doing 1000 things at once today)
[20:12] <jimmygoon> Firefox is crashing every time I try to access live.xbox.com
[20:12] <flackblag> But even if I set it to Alsa, I have no sound in totem
[20:12] <jimmygoon> and how can I reinstall Human theme because I'm not on the new murrine theme....
[20:12] <flackblag> All the while, vlc etc works
[20:13] <flackblag> Seems like an issue in PulseAudio in any case, but I couldn't find a report in Launchpad, so I wonder
[20:14] <sarah____> anyone here use hardy haron?
[20:14] <flackblag> And it's weird that totem seems to have no sound with whatever setting I choose
[20:14] <jimmygoon> !pastebin
[20:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:15] <amx109> sarah____, im guessing most of us do, yes
[20:15] <flackblag> sarah: it's the Hardy channel, so I would hope so :)
[20:15] <jimmygoon> firefox crashes on this link. every. single. time. http://live.xbox.com/member/stripclubdj
[20:15] <jimmygoon> with this error. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61046/
[20:15] <sarah____> :) cool
[20:15] <sarah____> im deciding if i should upgrade... or wait for the release
[20:15] <sarah____> any input?
[20:15] <mkarnicki> hi guys. I want to help translating ubuntu hardy, where do i start?
[20:15] <flackblag> jimmygoon: works for me
[20:16] <amx109> sarah____, upgrade upgrade upgrade
[20:16] <jimmygoon> flackblag, are you logged in? like do you actually see the gamer info?
[20:16] <flackblag> sarah: if you need to ask, don't upgrade
[20:16] <amx109> jimmygoon, links ok for me
[20:16] <sarah____> :) but i have some documents i need, anyone i can upgrade without backing them up?
[20:16] <jimmygoon> :( its okay until I login
[20:16] <sarah____> anyway*
[20:16] <jimmygoon> and it happens on every page I go to
[20:16] <flackblag> sarah: see the topic of the channel :)
[20:16] <tanner_> sarah____: is there any pressing reason you *need* to upgrade?
[20:17] <flackblag> jimmygoon: sorry, I have no accoutn, so i cannot test that
[20:17] <sarah____> well i really like ubuntu!
[20:17] <tanner_> sarah____: does everything on your computer work properly?
[20:17]  * JediMaster loves Hardy Heron =)
[20:17] <jimmygoon> flackblag, well, thanks anyway
[20:17] <bhsx> sarah____: can you use gmail or something like mybloop.com to backup before you install?
[20:17] <mkarnicki> guys and gals, where can I start helping to translate hardy?
[20:17] <flackblag> sarah: it is ALWAYS a good idea to have a backup when upgrading. Things _can go wrong. I know, I once lost 300 GB through user error (I was drunk, but still :)
[20:17] <sarah____> it did until i tried to install AWN, messed with the sources.list and i have some broken links hehe
[20:18] <tanner_> !translating
[20:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translating - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:18] <bhsx> mkarnicki: i'm not sure that this would be where to ask....
[20:18] <sarah____> yeah i already added my docs to gmail
[20:18] <tanner_> erm
[20:18] <orvokki> flackblag: Heh, you don't really even *need* a version upgrade for that...
[20:18] <flackblag> nope
[20:18] <mkarnicki> well i'm sorry, but I don't know where to start. /community/participate isn't much informative..
[20:19] <tanner_> mkarnicki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu
[20:19] <mkarnicki> thank you!
[20:19] <mkarnicki> have a good day ^-^ ! cheers
[20:19] <bhsx> =)
[20:19] <ks> i am frustrated with hardy :(
[20:19] <sarah____> how does hardy compare to gusty?
[20:19] <tanner_> arent we all
[20:20] <KRF> why is that guidance thing still untranslated? :S
[20:20] <KRF> or partly translated
[20:20] <bhsx> ks: i think it feels a lot more responsive
[20:21] <KRF> i'm happy with hardy. suspend/resume finally works ;)
[20:21] <bhsx> and of course you can install Brasero on 7.10, but it's a nice integration into hardy
[20:21] <sarah____> KRF: what computer specs do you have?
[20:21] <flackblag> bhsx: did I understand you correctly that you saw the sound issue, too?
[20:21] <sarah____> CPU/graphic card i mean.
[20:21] <bhsx> everything feels very quick and solid
[20:22] <bhsx> flackblag: i had a small glitch with sound last night
[20:22] <KRF> sarah____, intel T7250, and a nv gf 9800 gt
[20:22] <bhsx> not the same as you though
[20:22] <KRF> errm, gf 8600 gt :P
[20:22] <bhsx> and mine "fixed itself" with a bit of fiddling
[20:22] <flackblag> ok, thanks. Seems not widespread, I guess. Good for Ubuntu, bad for me ...
[20:22] <sarah____> KRF does amd/radeon have good support with linux, specifically ubuntu?
[20:22] <theunixgeek> How do I downgrade to Gutsy?
[20:22] <sarah____> i read they dont have great support
[20:22] <bhsx> that's always the case, isn't it?
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> sarah____: hardy will probably solve all your problems (but just create different ones)
[20:23] <KRF> sarah____, nv is better
[20:23] <bhsx> and i found an answer to my wifi dilmna too
[20:23] <sarah____> you think nv is better? i read radeon in about 10 yrs will over take nv.
[20:23] <sarah____> you agree?
[20:23] <flackblag> theunixgeek: by reinstalling
[20:24] <orvokki> sarah____: That's the life span of several computers...
[20:24] <Raspberry> anybody else have an empty / missing gnome desktop  since the last round of updates?
[20:24] <bhsx> it's the intel 3945abg, which has some nice drivers in universe, apparently
[20:24] <sarah____> :P
[20:24] <bhsx> as soon as i'm done installing win32 i'll check it out
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: creating a new user ?
[20:24] <Raspberry> I can see the Wireless N SSID now :)  But I still can't connect to it
[20:24] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: no, existing user
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> Something got totally mangled for me with network manager
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> so I just moved the home dir away - now seems ok
[20:25] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: yeah I could only connect to a single network
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> but loads of the default stuff is missing
[20:25] <Raspberry> heh I hate reconfiguring everything over and over again :P  I guess I can drop some of the configs back in like .mozilla and what-not
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> I do - using stuff like gconf is annoying for that
[20:26] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: I was playing around with KDE4 ... I had logged in just fine, but wanted to see what the fresh install was like since the latest updates...
[20:26] <Raspberry> so I deleted .kde4 and then I couldn't login to KDE4... so I went to log back in to gnome... and I can log back in but no Desktop
[20:27] <Raspberry> I hadn't logged out for 2-3 days
[20:27] <JediMaster> sarah____: generally a machine really needs to be upgraded/replaced every 2-3 years, let alone 10, unfortunately, Intel/Nvidia combination outperforms AMD/ATI in most cases, which sucks, as I'm an AMD fan myself
[20:27] <sarah____> me too
[20:28] <Raspberry> I'm a big AMD fan, but wow is there a huge difference in performance between Intel and AMD
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> JediMaster: Depends on the quality of components
[20:28] <sarah____> my pc is 10 yrs old, its in dier need of an update!
[20:28] <Raspberry> my Intel 1.6Ghz laptop out performs my Athlon64X2 4800+ desktop
[20:29] <tanner_> Raspberry: you need the development kernel to get N to work properly
[20:29] <orvokki> Raspberry: Core 2 Duo?
[20:29] <Raspberry> tanner_: :)  hmm is it available in package form?  Or will the N stuff be put into the regular kernel soon?
[20:29] <Raspberry> orvokki: yeah
[20:29] <orvokki> Figures.
[20:29] <ks> how do I specify --with=xennet --preload=xenblk options for initrd image ?
[20:29] <Raspberry> orvokki: the new Santa Rosa
[20:30] <ks> fucking hardy doesn't have mkinitrd
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> ks: I would just edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[20:30] <tanner_> Raspberry: perhaps in time for 8.10. if ever manage to get the kernel AND nvidia drivers there after to work ill let you know
[20:30] <orvokki> Raspberry: Core 2 Duo >> Athlon64X2
[20:30] <sarah____> anyone know the next code name for the next release?
[20:30] <Raspberry> orvokki: yeah ... I've learned that
[20:31] <orvokki> sarah____: One after Hardy?
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: Is there any drivers for N working in ap mode
[20:31] <Raspberry> orvokki: there's nothing in the AMD family that performs at the same level for the $$$ which is a big disappointment
[20:31] <nikrud> sarah____  intrepid ibex
[20:31] <sarah____> orvokki yes
[20:31] <sarah____> intrepid ibex? really?
[20:32] <nikrud> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-February/025136.html  sarah____
[20:32] <orvokki> Raspberry: Well, Core 2 Duo was a success. A bit of an unexpected one too outperforming everything AMD had to offer like that.
[20:32] <sarah____> thanks nickrud
[20:32] <Raspberry> brb... gonna reboot and see if this new stuff fixes my desktop
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> My athlon x2 6400 seems to outperform my 2.4 ghz laptop
[20:33] <Raspberry> orvokki: and I get ~6hrs of battery life out of my laptop in Windows ... and only 2.5 to 3hrs in Linux
[20:33] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: Clock frequencies have mattered little for maybe half a decade.
[20:33] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: what's the spec on your laptop?
[20:33] <orvokki> That's really saying nothing unless you say the exact brand of the CPU.
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was presumed it was a recent core 2
[20:33] <sarah____> what type of repository do you guys have enabled?
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> seen as that is what is in discussion
[20:33] <sarah____> for your sources.list
[20:34] <orvokki> h3sp4wn: Maybe it's Core 2 instead of Core 2 Duo?
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7700  @ 2.40GHz
[20:34] <Raspberry> I will say that I could see that being possible as the 6400 black edition machines I've built for engineering shops just scream
[20:34] <orvokki> Hmm, odd then.
[20:34] <Raspberry> they are dual core with 1mb of L2 on each core
[20:34] <fromport> raspberry: that's relative: are you doing the same ? if i leave my laptop idle and consume all power "idle" there's lesse then 10% in battery time between xp and hardy
[20:34] <Raspberry> which is a big deal for AMD
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> This Core 2 duo has 4mb per core afaik
[20:35] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: and by ap mode you mean..to act as an accesspoint?
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: Yeah (ideally with WDS etc)
[20:35] <sarah____> Raspberry: what do you mean 6400 "black edition machines" you'be built for engineering shopes?
[20:35] <Raspberry> fromport: no, I'm surfing the web, writing notes (tablet) and SSH'd into a couple of servers things of that nature in Vista and in Linux, I'm surfing, and coding
[20:36] <ks> h3sp4wn:  is this correct to use modules for --preload=xenblk ?
[20:36] <sarah____> can you build me a black edition machine raspberry? :P
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> ks: given you are using initramfs-tools
[20:36] <Raspberry> sarah____: there's a "black edition" of the 6000 and 6400 series AMD AM2 Athlon64x2 processors that have their timing unlocked for overclocking (although I'm not overclocking them)
[20:36] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: i believe i recall seeing something a while about about some WAP models (linksys or d-link perhaps?) 802.11n capable that used linux as its base
[20:36] <sarah____> just a list of spec, i can do the shopping
[20:37] <sarah____> oh i see
[20:37] <Raspberry> tanner_: I have one of them
[20:37] <sarah____> you a fan of the macbook air?
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: binary only kernel modules
[20:37] <ks> h3sp4wn:  i've edited the said file and ran update-initramfs -u
[20:37] <Raspberry> tanner_: the Linksys WRT-600n ... I just bought it last week ... and Linksys has released the source... it's a dual-band 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz router
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> ks: have a look inside to see if it worked then
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> ks: its a cpio.gz
[20:38] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: not 100% sure on that, though i believe work is being made to madwifi
[20:38] <tanner_> Raspberry: i have the WRT330N model which i also believe has the source out
[20:38] <ks> h3sp4wn:  here is output of boot http://pastebin.ca/957176
[20:39] <DanaG> Argh, why does gparted use ntfsclone instead of dd?
[20:39] <Raspberry> tanner_: yup I think so
[20:39] <ks> h3sp4wn:  see lines 31-32 and 40-43
[20:39] <Raspberry> tanner_: I had a NetGear before but it was horrible -- I got tired of restarting it a couple times a week ... or whenever pidgin on linux (?!?!?! why??!) would make it's initial connection
[20:40] <tanner_> Raspberry: i generally try to avoid netgear :D
[20:40] <ks> h3sp4wn:  i think modules directive loads it too late
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> ks: Is it your custom kernel ?
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> If it is why do you need an initramfs at all ?
[20:41] <Raspberry> tanner_: they used to be good
[20:42] <tanner_> Raspberry: ah i see which one you got.. i think the only difference between ours is the NAS
[20:42] <tanner_> I suppose, i prefer linksys myself
[20:42] <Raspberry> tanner_: really? the 350 is dual-channel? MIMO
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> Best router I have is gateway
[20:42] <sarah____> linksys is good, but they need to make their products look better
[20:42] <sarah____> i like mac's airport extreme wireless
[20:42] <DanaG> Argh, why does gparted use ntfsclone instead of dd?  It's so much slower than dd.
[20:42] <sarah____> and g-techs wireless
[20:43]  * DanaG uses a Buffalo router with dd-wrt firmware.
[20:43] <DanaG> Viva la QoS!
[20:43] <Raspberry> I wanted to get a Buffalo but they're kinda "unavailable" here in the US
[20:43] <DanaG> I wish I could've been the judge in that case.  I would've told the plaintiffs this:
[20:43] <sarah____> i thought KFC had them no? hehe
[20:44] <DanaG> "Hey, it's unfair to pick on only one company.  If you want to sue one, you must sue ALL of them!"
[20:44] <tanner_> Raspberry: i know it supports both b/g and N at the same time (if thats what you are referring to as dual-band) and yes MIMO
[20:44] <DanaG> Muhahahaha.
[20:44] <tanner_> erm, not "and yes"
[20:44] <Raspberry> tanner_: no, this one has two channels... so you can connect to 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz at the same time... and / or keep them separate completely ... with different security and everything
[20:44] <ks> h3sp4wn:  yes it is
[20:45] <sarah____> Raspberry im in dier need of a computer grade. Mine is almost 9 years old.... had it since 99'-00' good old HP still kicking.
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> My router has 2 mini-pci's seperate (b/g and a)
[20:45] <sarah____> any input on building a neat pc?
[20:46] <tanner_> Raspberry: not 100% on that, the AP actually isnt plugged in yet.. not until i get 11n working
[20:46] <Raspberry> sarah____: https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6671346&WishListTitle=MCE+Order+Sept25th
[20:46] <blizzkid> lo all. how can I use the cd after installation? When trying to use apt-get from cd, it fails to mount the cd
[20:46] <DanaG> good site for notebooks: notebookreview.com
[20:46] <sarah____> newegg or directiger cheaper?
[20:47] <Raspberry> tanner_: as far as I know the WRT600N is one of the only (and the only from Linksys) Dual-Band router
[20:47] <ks> anyone knows load precedence of initramfs configs ?
[20:47] <Raspberry> if you've got a newer N card ... it'll hop on the 2.4Ghz and the 5Ghz spectrums at the same time and give you more throughput
[20:47] <sarah____> Raspberry: i think i need this, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=34-220-189-18.jpg&Image=34-220-189-18.jpg%2c34-220-189-03.jpg%2c34-220-189-04.jpg%2c34-220-189-05.jpg%2c34-220-189-06.jpg%2c34-220-189-07.jpg%2c34-220-189-08.jpg%2c34-220-189-09.jpg%2c34-220-189-19.jpg%2c34-220-189-13.jpg%2c34-220-189-10.jpg%2c34-220-189-15.jpg%2c34-220-189-11.jpg%2c34-220-189-12.jpg%2c34-220-189-16.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Wa
[20:47] <sarah____> terMark=1&Item=N82E16834220189&Depa=3&Description=ASUS+R2H-BH059T-3+7%22+Ultra+Mobile+PC
[20:47] <sarah____> ultra portable!
[20:48] <ks> as i see /scripts/init-premount  is being loaded before /scripts/local-top
[20:48] <sarah____> its like the one Dr Makay uses in Stargate Atlantis
[20:48] <sarah____> you seen that show?
[20:48] <Raspberry> heh yeah
[20:48] <Athaki> I am very impressed with Hardy so far. It's looking to be a great release.
[20:49] <Raspberry> sarah____: there's a version of Ubuntu that is specifically made for the UMPC systems
[20:49] <Raspberry> sarah____: it's in development through a partnership w/ intel -- so maybe it'll have good power mgmt
[20:49] <blizzkid> Athaki: I have to disagree: I'm stuck with an install without nic/wlan drivers, and it fails to use the cd for apt-get
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> You seen the price of those things total rip off
[20:49] <sarah____> isn't Intrepid Ibex for UMPC too?
[20:50] <Athaki> blizzkid: I'm running it in virtualbox
[20:50] <Raspberry> sarah____: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[20:51] <sarah____> thanks
[20:51] <orvokki> *sigh*
[20:51] <tanner_> Raspberry: interesting.
[20:51] <orvokki> This looks the start of a happy debug session.
[20:51] <DanaG> I've built a desktop once, but if I ever get a desktop again, it'll be an OEM.  YOu know why?  WARRANTYY.
[20:51] <Raspberry> blizzkid: so download the nic / wlan packages and then install them via USB drive or something like that ... what machine do you have ?
[20:51] <DanaG> (don't mean to be yelling, but I can't do bold or italics.)
[20:51] <sarah____> Raspberry what do you think about the ultra light Macbook air?
[20:52] <sarah____> worth the buy or not
[20:52] <tanner_> sarah____: crap
[20:52] <tanner_> sarah____: if your going to waste a lot of money on a ultraportable, you should get a Thinkpad X300 instead :)
[20:52] <blizzkid> Raspberry: nice idea, but the only driver is a patched madwifi, that needs build-essential, and that one has too much dependencies to download all of them by hand. Can I put a directory on my harddrive in sources.list?
[20:52] <DanaG> Ugh, another bad thing about ntfsclone: it runs sched_normal and thus bogs down the whole system quite horribly.
[20:53] <sarah____> Thinkpad X300 isnt that ultraportable is it?
[20:53] <Raspberry> blizzkid: yes if you do it right :P
[20:53] <Raspberry> sarah____: no
[20:53] <DanaG> HP 2510p is also nice and light, with up to 9 hours battery life on the 9-cell.
[20:53] <Raspberry> sarah____: too expensive yet ... I have a thinkpad X61t
[20:53] <blizzkid> Raspberry: can you help me there? (or even better: point to a mounted iso)
[20:53] <tanner_> whats not ultraportable about the X300 sarah____
[20:54] <sarah____> wow "thinkpad X61t" i like that rotating screen. very neat
[20:54] <Raspberry> blizzkid: that'd probably be the best thing to do ... mount the install ISO and point to that
[20:54] <sarah____> X300 sarah still looks bulky from the picture
[20:54] <sarah____> tanner_
[20:54] <Raspberry> blizzkid: again though... what model machine?
[20:54] <tanner_> x61t is very nice :) along with X61 and X61s
[20:54] <blizzkid> Raspberry: and how exactly would I do that? (machine is Asus F5RL)
[20:54] <h3sp4wn> Well thinkpads actually have a semi decent keyboard
[20:54] <tanner_> sarah____: less than an inch at its thickest
[20:55] <Raspberry> and the thinkpads look the same after 5 years ... not like a cracked and scuffed piece of plastic
[20:55] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: thinkpads have the BEST keyboards. period
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> And don't break easily
[20:55] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: fixed that for you ;)
[20:55] <tanner_> my T41 can attest to Raspberry's statement
[20:55] <Raspberry> my grandma is running XP on my 10yr old THinkpad T21 ... works great
[20:55] <tanner_> erm, T40*
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: I prefer a sun keyboard (UNIX layout)
[20:55] <Raspberry> the only thing I've had to fix with it is replaced the hard drive after it died 3 years ago
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> cannot have that with a laptop though :/
[20:56] <tanner_> heh
[20:56] <sarah____> macbook air is good, a little expensive, biggest negative factor is only 1 usb port
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> I like my X31 though (much better designed than this Compaq)
[20:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, if you like the IBM / Lenovo keyboards, you can actually get them for desktops, too.
[20:57] <blizzkid> Raspberry: how can I point sources.list to a mounted iso?
[20:57] <Raspberry> I've owned 3 thinkpads and 1 toshiba and 1 compaq ...  the compaq was an insult ... their customer service was worse...  the toshiba (M200 tablet) was ok, but crappy design ... had to replace the keyboard... case was cracked... dust under the protective screen that can't be removed w/o taking it all apart...  Nothing to complain about with the thinkpads...  The only thing I miss on my X61t is the "ThinkLight" that would light up the
[20:57] <Raspberry> keyboard in the dark
[20:58] <DanaG> http://lenovoblogs.com/designmatters/?p=58
[20:59] <sarah____> is it possible to setup my own pop3 email account on ubuntu?
[20:59] <Raspberry> blizzkid: google much? http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/2007/01/06/handy-hack-how-to-install-the-ubuntu-install-cd-onto-the-hard-disk/
[20:59] <Raspberry> DanaG: I have one of those :)
[21:00] <Raspberry> $100!!
[21:00]  * tanner_ loves his thinkpad "nipple" trackpoint
[21:00] <blizzkid> sorry Raspberry, I must have overlooked that one (or was looking for wrong keywords ;))
[21:00] <U-Dinlow> I'd like to get my geforce4 card to output to tv - any help?
[21:01] <Scunizi> sarah____, do you want ot access a pop3 account or setup a pop3 server
[21:01] <DanaG> If I were to get a desktop again, I'd definitely want a keyboard with a touchpad.  Much less RSI-inducing than my MX700 mouse.
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> This hp has a nipple and a touchpad but I use an external mouse
[21:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, the HP 2510p laptop:  http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3905
[21:01] <sarah____> scunizi setup a pop3 server
[21:02] <sarah____> like ally@myisp
[21:02] <SeveredCross> I've heard terrible things about HP laptops.
[21:02]  * DanaG goes to point at the XKCD comic about the "eraser mice" -- in fact, they left out the term "eraser"
[21:02] <sarah____> i can use apache2 for that right?
[21:02] <Scunizi> sarah____, probably can.. that one I don't know how to do.. might try in #ubuntu-server
[21:02] <DanaG> This is a business one, not a consumer one.
[21:02] <jfm> Hi, on news.gnome.org, (FootNotes), it says the new version of Totem included in Gnome 2.22 has VLC support.  I would more information about this feature.   Thanks a lot.
[21:02] <SeveredCross> sarah____: Er, Apache isn't for POP3.
[21:02] <sarah____> oh yeah..
[21:02] <sarah____> i know a few pop3 apps though
[21:02] <sarah____> just havn't tried any yet
[21:02] <Scunizi> SeveredCross, sarah____  oops.. wrong spot..
[21:03] <KalEl> stuck with a tracker-search-tool bug
[21:03] <KalEl> unfortunately cannot even compile it myself for some reason :(
[21:04] <sarah____> dovecot might be good
[21:04]  * tanner_ waits until a Thinkpad X series has: widescreen, expresscard, outdoor capable screen, and 6 hours battery life
[21:05] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: Is there an X series with a quadro ?
[21:05] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: nVidia?
[21:05] <tanner_> i believe all the X series use integrated graphics
[21:05] <tanner_> ill check though..
[21:05] <cyclonut> howdy folks
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> My X series uses a radeon mobility (pretty old)
[21:06]  * DanaG wants something 14" or 15" with an upper-midrange GPU.
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> with xig's x server its cool though
[21:06] <DanaG> xig?
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> xig.com
[21:06] <DanaG> Zig, for great justice.
[21:06] <sarah____> hey Raspberry take a look at this
[21:06] <sarah____> http://laptops.webhostingoverview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/158.jpg
[21:06] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[21:06] <sarah____> now that is neat
[21:06] <cyclonut> so, the newest intel driver fixes troubles with exa. However, I have xaa forced in xorg.conf. I have been seeing performance decreases that indicate EXA may be working, instead of xaa. how might I check whether xaa or exa rendering is in action?
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> cyclonut: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:07] <cyclonut> ty
[21:07] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: i'm pretty sure the integrated intel graphics are superior to the older radeons :P
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: perhaps technically - I guess with xig's intel driver would be much better
[21:08] <cyclonut> xig's driver?
[21:08] <cyclonut> are there custom intel drivers written?
[21:08] <e\ectro_> sarah____: what kinda laptop is that?
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> xig has one you can have if you pay for it
[21:09] <cyclonut> hrmm
[21:09] <h3sp4wn> (you can get a demo)
[21:09] <cyclonut> h3sp4wn, how do I get in touch with this xig?
[21:09] <h3sp4wn> xig.com
[21:09] <sarah____> i think its a new "concept" by IBm e\ectro_
[21:09] <e\ectro_> sarah____: looks very nice
[21:09] <tanner_> h3sp4wn: i'm not sure how relevant it is anymore given the full specs to intels graphics cards are now open :-\
[21:09] <sarah____> indeed
[21:10] <sarah____> i want ti!
[21:10] <sarah____> want it*
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> tanner_: Well the full specs for those ati chips were also open
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> still the ati drivers suck/sucked whilst xig's did not
[21:10] <oxigen> is Ubuntu Brainstorm available for download like is MediaWiki?
[21:10]  * DanaG now really does want an ATI for next time around.
[21:11] <DanaG> I'm sick of nvidia, and I'm willing to take a temporary performance (or even reliability) hit for the sake of being free of nvidia blob.
[21:11] <sarah____> e\ectro_ "In addition, Lenovo company has shown photographs of a new concept laptop Thinkpad Reserve Edition. According to the web resource Notebook Italia it will be a powerful laptop (probably will be built on the platform Santa Rosa). Most likely it will be similar to Lenovo Super Sexy “Yoga”, which won the award Red Dot Award for design."
[21:12] <oxigen> DanaG: what's wrong with nvidia?
[21:12] <Adys> a lot of things
[21:12] <Peter-> Hi, could someone help me with Urban Terror?
[21:12] <e\ectro_> sarah____: hopefully equipped with SSD :)
[21:13] <DanaG> HP one offers SSD.
[21:13] <sarah____> haha
[21:13] <sarah____> would be nice
[21:13] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now there ARE 5400rpm 1.8" drives.
[21:13] <bhsx> is there a app to fix grub in the livecd?
[21:13] <e\ectro_> rpms are a thing of the past
[21:13] <gaminggeek> anyone else finding that flash doesnt like sharing sound anymore?
[21:14] <e\ectro_> gaminggeek: I know that firefox 3.0 doesnt really care for youtube that much]
[21:14]  * DanaG thinks it's stupid having PulseAudio installed and enabled by default WITHOUT any of the supporting packages (such as libflashsupport).
[21:14] <sarah____> i dont know if i want thinkpad x300 or macbook air!
[21:14] <DanaG> Watch me perform an impression of Flash:
[21:14] <DanaG> *segfault*
[21:14] <gaminggeek> I dont see why we even need pulse
[21:15] <DanaG> *segfault*
[21:15] <oxigen> is Ubuntu Brainstorm available for download like is MediaWiki?
[21:15] <e\ectro_> sarah____: the macbook air is so sexy though
[21:15] <tanner_> sarah____: you just have to decide if you want looks, or functionality
[21:15] <gaminggeek> all it does atm is add problems
[21:15] <mneptok> move xig. for great justice.
[21:15] <gaminggeek> not ready for prime time IMHO
[21:15] <sarah____> right, the air is sexy, but with only 1 USB port, i cant have my ipod or my mouse at the same time
[21:15] <DanaG> Pulse is sweet if you have multiple audio devices.
[21:15] <sarah____> and only a 60gb harddrive, thats too small
[21:15] <RAOF> DanaG: I thought libflashsupport was now a dependency of flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:15] <e\ectro_> sarah____: USB hub
[21:15] <sarah____> but i think you can get an external harddrive
[21:15] <Peter-> No-one cant help me on Urban Terror problem?
[21:16] <sarah____> USB hub?
[21:16] <tanner_> sarah____: dont forget, the air's port is obfuscated, so you may have problems connecting devices
[21:16] <poseidon> How do I edit the appearance of the menus, etc?  I don't want everything to be brownish orange, I prefer more of a blue.  Is there a way I can do this?
[21:16] <DanaG> Hmm, maybe it is, but the GUI tools are missing.
[21:16] <tanner_> e\ectro_: defeats the point of mobility having to carry a hub ;)
[21:16] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, that's true.
[21:16] <sarah____> e\ectro_ good idea, totally forgot about the hub
[21:16] <e\ectro_> sarah____: yeah, http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatSectionView.process?Section_Id=205966
[21:16] <RAOF> Or you could just have a bluetooth mouse, of course.
[21:16] <e\ectro_> ;)
[21:16] <mneptok> sarah____: are you looking for a nicely portable laptop? or specifically a UMPC?
[21:16] <DanaG> And if PulseAudio crashes, then it can make media player apps start to rapidly DESTROY ALL MEMORY.
[21:17] <DanaG> s/DESTROY/eat/
[21:17] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, _that's_ what causes it?
[21:17] <RAOF> :)
[21:17] <sarah____> lightly portable, and functional
[21:17] <sarah____> and dont forget about looks! :)
[21:17] <gaminggeek> ok I have libflashplayer
[21:17] <e\ectro_> sarah____: macbook air it is ;)
[21:17] <DanaG> I think HP looks cool.
[21:17] <sarah____> haha
[21:17] <sarah____> although, it will set me back a few weeks paycheck!
[21:17] <DanaG> I'm going to get the 15" DTR HP business one.
[21:17] <mneptok> sarah____: i can higly recommend the Lenovo V200. i have one, and love it. and i know a thing or two about Ubuntu and hardware. :)
[21:17] <DanaG> And I'll get a case sticker of the Heron!
[21:18] <e\ectro_> sarah____: thats what boyfriends / husbands are for
[21:18] <sarah____> haha lol
[21:18] <gaminggeek> but flash/paulse doesnt like it if I have banshee open at the same time as a flash video is playing
[21:18] <sarah____> e\ectro_ wanna pay for mine? jk
[21:18] <e\ectro_> sarah____: my wife is the same way, just shoes and bags
[21:18] <tanner_> O.o @ e\ectro_
[21:18] <sarah____> e\ectro_ do you know if the air will be replaced by a newer one anytime soon? kinda like with all those ipods/iphones each were replaced with a better model
[21:19] <Adys> What's the difference between uninterruptile and running status for processes?
[21:19] <e\ectro_> sarah____: its inevitable
[21:19] <sarah____> true
[21:19] <e\ectro_> sarah____: only question is when..
[21:19] <sarah____> yup
[21:19] <sarah____> i remmber the iphone
[21:19] <RAOF> Adys: Uninterruptible often means "blocking in the kernel", IE: it's not possible for this process to recieve a signal.
[21:19] <e\ectro_> sarah____: right now I'd rather have the android
[21:19] <Adys> aight
[21:19] <sarah____> was around $4-500 and then, it dropped around $200?
[21:20] <Assid> heya
[21:22]  * DanaG admits: he does like HP a little bit too much (minorly fanboyish, but not like the "omg they can do no wrong" Apple fanboys).
[21:23] <tanner_> haha
[21:24] <orvokki> Hmm, I suppose I could've checked for nvidia-glx-new bugs before trying out Hardy. ;>
[21:24] <tanner_> its always interesting seeing the apple fanboys go crazy on places like.. digg.com, engadget, etc
[21:26] <Gupp> hrm i have a problem that i cant enable eth0 for some weird reason
[21:26] <DanaG> I'm more like just somebody who goes "hey, look at this!  hey, look at this!  hey, look at this!  hey, look at this!  " (pointing to different things) perhaps a big annoyingly much.
[21:26] <marlun> How can I disable the use of proprietary grpahics (ATI) drivers from console? I enabled it and now as soon as I come into gnome the screen turns white.
[21:27] <DanaG> Heh, anybody else think this looks like an RROD'd xbox 360?  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8355585&type=product&id=1177112314432
[21:28] <buttterz> hello
[21:29] <mneptok> marlun: switch to another virtual console and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[21:29] <caesa1> help! I changed my screen resolution to 1280*1024 upsidedown, and now all I can see is the mouse. How do I change the resolution in a different init?
[21:29] <buttterz> adinc , ping!
[21:32] <buttterz> caesa1 , i don't understand in a different init
[21:33] <Gupp> someone knows how to change mac address so eth0 will be recognized?
[21:33] <Gupp> becouse now it is different from  te .vmx
[21:33] <Gupp> or is the change generated to static enough?
[21:33] <buttterz> caesa1, in xorg.conf you can change your screen resolution if it isn't booting -- otherwise you can run a xconfig type program to reset the configuration
[21:35] <caesa1> buttterz, are you sure? I looked in xorg.conf, but I found nothing related to the resolution, like I usually do
[21:35] <buttterz> thats where it resides -- it has to be there
[21:35] <DanaG> Did you change it just as a user?  Does the login screen work?
[21:35] <DanaG> If so, it's more likely a user preference.
[21:36] <caesa1> here, let me pull it up
[21:36] <buttterz> caesa1 , its in the screen section.....
[21:36] <xopher> How do I like, completely reset my sound / sound card configuration? Cause I can't get my surround/LFE working at all.
[21:36] <caesa1> Section "Screen"
[21:36] <caesa1> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[21:36] <caesa1> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[21:36] <caesa1> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[21:36] <caesa1> EndSection
[21:37] <caesa1> that's all that's in the screen section.
[21:37] <caesa1> um, DanaG. I did change it as a user. The login screen does work. I did it through preferences.
[21:38] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll look where it's stored in gconf.
[21:39] <orvokki> Hmm, I seriously hope RC and final will be compatible with nvidia glob even though it's not officially supported by Ubuntu...
[21:40] <buttterz> orvokki , it should be considering its not part of a distrobution
[21:40] <DanaG> this is one place I found some preferences about screen resolution:  /desktop/gnome/screen/
[21:40] <buttterz> you have to authorize their installation and use.
[21:40] <caesa1> thanks, let me check that out.
[21:40] <DanaG> so, gconftool --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/screen/
[21:41] <DanaG> (not root!)
[21:41] <caesa1> wait, not /desktop.
[21:41] <caesa1> can you tell me the full path?
[21:41] <caesa1> because ~/Desktop doesn't make sense. Why would there be a gnome folder on my desktop?
[21:41] <DanaG> That's the path in gconf.
[21:41] <caesa1> or do you mean ~/gnome/screen
[21:41] <caesa1> oh ok
[21:42] <buttterz> caesa1 , it should be there and change that with a known working resolution
[21:42] <buttterz> default/0/%gconf
[21:42] <buttterz> i mean you have to do this in your flavor of editor
[21:43] <caesa1> ok.
[21:43] <DanaG> gconftool will unset it for you.
[21:43] <DanaG> That'll let it go to defaults.
[21:43] <buttterz> i would set what you know
[21:44] <buttterz> to be known good.
[21:44] <DanaG> yeah, default/0/%gconf is the deepest file.
[21:44] <caesa1> ok, I think I understand your solution DanaG. I need to ask a few questions buttters
[21:45] <caesa1> what exactly is this default/0/%gconf ?
[21:45] <caesa1> is it a file directory, or gconftool directory?
[21:45] <caesa1> or a value to set something
[21:45] <Assid> hey dana
[21:45] <rectec794613> I need help upgrading to hardy
[21:45] <robinson> just did a clean install of unbuntu hardy beta.. Seems as though the HD is not responding. Like the OS stalls a lot..
[21:45] <caesa1> or what?
[21:46] <DanaG> IO scheduler in Hardy seems laggy -- especially when doing gparted.
[21:46] <robinson> running dmesg, i have a lot of segfaults
[21:46] <DanaG> I'm copying an NTFS partition somewhere, and it's majorly bogging down the rest of the system.
[21:46] <robinson> possibly just a bad installatin?
[21:46] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: switch to another then
[21:46] <rectec794613> I NEED HELP WITH UPGRADING TO HARDY
[21:46] <caesa1> well, I'm going to try that. I'll be back.
[21:46] <buttterz> rectec794613 , then i would say you shouldn't my friend
[21:46] <h3sp4wn> If you have working ncq then deadline is pretty good
[21:46] <buttterz> please don't yell.
[21:47] <DanaG> Switch to another?  IO scheduler?  How?
[21:47] <rectec794613> ?
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> Its in /sys
[21:47] <DanaG> My 7k200-200 has NCQ, I believe.
[21:47] <DanaG> The USB Fujitsu.... I haven't a clue.
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> /sys/block/sd?/queue/scheduler
[21:48] <h3sp4wn> the file has the choices in
[21:48] <rectec794613> i cant get thru the upgrade
[21:48] <rectec794613> its stuck
[21:48] <h3sp4wn> If you have a high quality scsi or fc setup then noop is the best
[21:48] <DanaG> noop anticipatory deadline [cfq]  -- default on both.
[21:48] <buttterz> rectec794613 , ok -- whats the deal...
[21:49] <DanaG> What are the other choices?
[21:49] <lime4x4> anyone here running kde4 on hardy? Does it still use a xorg file yet for screen positions and such?
[21:49] <rectec794613> its stuck on installing this program called "unzip"
[21:50] <sourcemaker>  will the next kubuntu release support more than one encrypted partitions?
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: Well you are using cfq
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: You can use noop, anticipatory or deadline
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't use anticipatory (drops throughput alot)
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> noop probably not good except on high end disks
[21:51] <DanaG> Heh, one of my instances of folding@home was still running.
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> deadline maybe
[21:51] <DanaG> Another thing that helped was schedtool-ing ntfsclone to SCHED_BULK or SCHED_IDLEPRIO
[21:52] <rectec794613> its stuck on installing this program called "unzip"
[21:52] <buttterz> rectec794613 , ok -- i mean i need more information than that
[21:52] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like stopping that may have been enough already.
[21:52] <buttterz> rectec794613 , is this an important system that hasn't been backed up??
[21:52] <rectec794613> it hasnt benn backed up
[21:52] <rectec794613> *been
[21:52] <buttterz> rectec794613 , and i'm assuming this is your main computer at home as well...
[21:53] <rectec794613> yes
[21:53] <buttterz> well first you shouldn't have installed a beta then haha -- but can you crap the upgrade and start over with it?
[21:53] <buttterz> or is it hardlocked
[21:53] <sourcemaker> can I use a encrypted file system for more then 1 partition? How does it work when starting kubuntu? Will I be asked for 2 or more passphrase?
[21:53] <buttterz> sourcemaker , what? are you using truecrypt
[21:53] <rectec794613> i can restart the copm but it will probably mess it up
[21:54] <rectec794613> *comp
[21:54] <buttterz> rectec794613 , it certainly will -- you need to try to restart the upgrade within now with the live cd in -- there is no real way to do this except halt the current if you are SURE its not moving anymore and restart the upgrade...
[21:54] <sourcemaker> buttterz: no... luks...
[21:55] <sourcemaker> buttterz: I have installed the kubuntu beta for testing
[21:56] <buttterz> sourcemaker , ok i don't understand what you are asking right now
[21:56] <rectec794613> I'm not so sure about this...
[21:57] <Dr_willis> Im not paranoid enough to use an encrypted filesystem. :)
[21:57] <buttterz> rectec794613 , then let it sit and your computer will stay the way it is -- this is just a bad situation for you -- there is no way really to resolve it without breaking the install process if its halted entirely
[21:57]  * DanaG wonders how large of a drive he would need to keep at least two or three snapshots of a 200GB hard drive.
[21:58] <rectec794613> ok
[21:58] <DanaG> I'd be using OS-specific backup things for each of Windows, Linux, and OS ("10, not X").
[21:58] <rectec794613> i'll see what i can do
[21:58] <rectec794613> btw its already halfway through
[21:58] <DanaG> One big thing I'd want in a backup drive: firewire.
[21:58] <DanaG> USB is like this:  "DMA?  Durrrh, never heard of it."
[21:59] <sourcemaker> buttterz: the new installer of the kubuntu supports to use an encrypted file system... but I use different patitions for my user data... and os data... how does this work? I have then 1 passphrase for each patition? right?
[21:59] <buttterz> sourcemaker , yes.
[21:59] <buttterz> you can make them the same though
[22:00] <buttterz> are you in the NSA haha
[22:00] <robinson> lime4x4: anyone answer you yet? stepped away for a minute
[22:00] <sourcemaker> buttterz: sure :-)
[22:00] <buttterz> i'm just kidding
[22:02] <buttterz> sourcemaker , then it would seem if you are NSA the more passwords the better encrypt away!!!
[22:06] <bluefoxx> 8.04 is sweet!
[22:07] <buttterz> haha you guys should start messing with andrew morton kernels not just new versions of ubuntu
[22:08] <sourcemaker> buttterz: Well... NSA guys won't ask my questions... i think :-)
[22:11] <buttterz> sourcemaker , actually i'm trying to get an internship with them from union college (where i attend)
[22:12] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:12] <_Angelus_> why does hardy recocnize my hard drive as sata? :o
[22:12] <DanaG> Ooh, deadline scheduler helps quite a lot!  Thanks, h3sp4wn.
[22:13] <jin> _Angelus_: that's how the new kernel works it seems
[22:13] <_Angelus_> :/
[22:13] <_Angelus_> reeding any drive as sata? LoL
[22:13] <jin> _Angelus_: it's just the naming I think
[22:14] <_Angelus_> nope
[22:14] <_Angelus_> when i went to configure LVM during install
[22:14] <_Angelus_> it said something like
[22:14] <_Angelus_> SATA bla bla bla ATA bla bla
[22:14] <_Angelus_> :/
[22:15] <AzureSkies> lol
[22:15] <lime4x4> Robinson no
[22:16] <bluefoxx> has anyone had luck booting from a SCSI drive using an adaptec adaptor?
[22:16] <_Angelus_> bluefoxx,  no , but i had a (luck?) getting my ATA recocnizze as SCSI or SATA
[22:16] <_Angelus_> lol
[22:17] <bluefoxx> lol
[22:17] <bluefoxx> brb[booting friends comp into winblows]
[22:17] <h3sp4wn> bluefoxx: What is the issue
[22:18] <orvokki> Now, that was interesting.
[22:18] <caesa1> hurrah, it works! Thanks DanaG and buttterz. There are still some bugs, so I may ask you questions later. But at least I can function.
[22:18] <bluefoxx> my second computer wont boot off of the 50 pin scsi drive
[22:19] <orvokki> Any ideas on how to get Gnome bars back except killing X session?
[22:19] <orvokki> I seem to have slightly crashed this.
[22:19] <bluefoxx> it boots partly then hangs saying "grub" and lights the floppy  light
[22:19] <bluefoxx> brb
[22:20] <orvokki> Ah, whatever. I can afford killing it, I think.
[22:27] <nextstep> Hello everyone I am having an issue with my wireless network being locked to 1mb ... can anyone help ?
[22:30] <DanaG> All ATA drivers are now using the SCSI subsystem.
[22:32] <dirk__> exit
[22:33] <axisys> is there a way I can get tv listing in cli ?
[22:34] <axisys> instead of visiting lets say tv.yahoo.com
[22:40] <nextstep> can anyone help with a wireless issue in hardy ?
[22:43] <robinson> hey. I was here just a bit ago whining about Kubuntu Hardy Beta w/KDE4 running VERY slow. I had segfaults for scim-ridge showing under dmesg.
[22:43] <robinson> Fixed it by installing "scim"
[22:43] <robinson> not sure what that does, but it is runny smooth as silk now
[22:44] <robinson> Hope this helps someone
[22:44] <AnswerGuy> scim is the "simple Chinese input method"
[22:44] <robinson> freaky.. So, really, nothing scim needs to even be installed?
[22:45] <robinson> wonder why scim-bridge was segfaulting in the first place
[22:45] <AnswerGuy> Use for i18n of Chinese (and other Asian languages such as Korean, and Japanese)
[22:45] <DanaG> simple _common_
[22:45] <DanaG> not just Chinese.
[22:45] <SilverDawn> Hey all, Ive had this issue a billion times but i just dont remember how to fix it, With compiz i have no boarders on the windows and i cant use my terminal (Nvidia gfxcard)
[22:45] <robinson> whatever the case may be, works now
[22:45] <DanaG> IT can also do Latex:
[22:45] <AnswerGuy> Oops, sorry, my bad.  "common"
[22:45] <DanaG> r∠θ    jωL   ℜ + ℑ
[22:45] <DanaG> See?  Nifty.
[22:46] <SilverDawn> Its like the window decorator isnt starting
[22:46] <robinson> any idea why this package was causing my system to creep like the dead?
[22:46] <robinson> in Alpha 6 release, by default, some scim keyboard icon was in the taskbar, and it worked fine. IN Beta 1, this icon is not present. Whatever package i installed place the icon back, and now the laptop works
[22:47] <AnswerGuy> Well, if the "scim-ridge" was depending on talking to the scim process (server/daemon) ...
[22:47] <AnswerGuy> Then it stands to reason that its constant efforts to connect to it (via some UNIX domain socket, for example) might make input very choppy
[22:48] <AnswerGuy> Since it's a keyboard input processor that would be very bad.
[22:48] <SilverDawn> Anyone at all
[22:48] <nextstep> wtb wireless that works in Hardy ..lol
[22:48] <SilverDawn> Having a window decorator is definitly nice....
[22:48] <robinson> understand.
[22:48] <clusty> hey
[22:49] <AnswerGuy> Apparently it's "smart common input method" BTW
[22:49] <cyclonut> nextstep, intel or broadcom wifi?
[22:49] <robinson> nother question, then: in KDE4, how do i open a root file manager?
[22:49] <clusty> i am having problems with my webcam in hardy. it used to work with the uvcvideo driver
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> robinson: kdesudo dolphin from a krunner will do
[22:49] <clusty> now not even the self compiled mod wont work
[22:49] <clusty> anyone got it running?
[22:50] <robinson> mosrednaekim: i get an error that says "command not found!"
[22:50] <robinson> it worked fine in KDE 3.5.9
[22:50] <robinson> may just be something broken... it is a beta. afterall
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> robinson: ah... kdesudo seems to be kde3 only.... try kdesu dolphin
[22:51] <robinson> same thing
[22:51] <robinson> in the package manager, kdesudo-kde4 is installed, though
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> robinson: run a "dpkg -L kdesudo-kde4" to see what files that package installs
[22:52] <robinson> kdesudo is listed as a binary
[22:52] <robinson> go figure
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> robinson: whats the path to it?
[22:53] <nosrednaekim>  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdesudo?
[22:53] <robinson> yes
[22:54] <robinson> let me try with the full path and see what happens
[22:54] <dandel> hmm is it me or is firefox2 package not working right... it keeps launching firefox 3.0 only.
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> robinson: try running "kdesudo dolphin" from a konsole instead of a krunner
[22:55] <robinson> from konsole, i get a GUI popup that states "command not found!" No extra output in the konsole
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> robinson: whats full path do? same thing?
[22:56] <robinson> yes
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> robinson: what about "kdesudo konqueror"
[22:57] <robinson> same thing with konqueror
[22:58] <robinson> side note: command to make a symbolic link for /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b4 pointing to location /usr/lib/mozilla/pugins
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> ln -sf source destination
[22:59] <robinson> thank you
[23:03] <robinson> has there been any progress on getting GTK applications "pretty" in KDE4 yet?
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> robinson: yeah... we are working on it
[23:05] <robinson> You're a dev?
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> yep
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> though I'm not working on that specific thing
[23:05] <robinson> boy, do i feel special! Thank you for working with me on the dolphin thing!
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> huh... not like I helped any <_<
[23:06] <robinson> what is your area of expertise?
[23:06] <robinson> hey, much better response that i would have gotten from microsoft :)
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> I work on configuration apps... working on the printer config app right now.
[23:06] <robinson> do you have any information on why i cannot adjust the time and date?
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> robinson: BTW... its not reccomended... but if you must run dolphin as root, give it a shot with sudo.
[23:07] <robinson> I already moved the files i wanted using the konsole, but thanks
[23:07] <robinson> Actually, using the tip you gave me for the sym link
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> robinson: and file a bug on that too.
[23:08] <robinson> I wanted to map firefox 3 plugins to another location where the plugins seem to be installing. works fine
[23:08] <robinson> will do, gimme a few seconds
[23:10] <robinson> what do i need to put as the package name, or shall i just put "i dont know"
[23:10] <robinson> dolphin-kde4, i assume
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo-kde4
[23:10] <robinson> oops, thanks
[23:12] <twb> Hi, is there an ETA for new desktop-i386.iso in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/ ?  If so, what is it?
[23:12] <twb> (The alpha images have disappeared.)
[23:12] <robinson> got it:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo-kde4/+bug/206863
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206863 in kdesudo-kde4 "Kubuntu Hardy KDE4 - unable to open a root file manager" [Undecided,New]
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> robinson: great
[23:16] <marlun> How come it is so slow when controlling a computer through Vinagre even though I'm using it locally on a fast line? Window's Remote Desktop is a lot faster.
[23:18] <twb> What is vinagre?  An RFB/VNC client?
[23:18] <marlun> twb: yeah it's the new vnc client in HH.
[23:19] <DanaG> ugh, ntfsclone seems to be taking a ludicrously long time.  It's getting quite horrible (1-digit MB/sec) throughput.
[23:19] <DanaG> dd_rescue (for the sake of not having to choose block size as with dd) gets at least 22 megabytes per second.
[23:19] <googlah> Hi, was told to change to 2.6.24-11 to get the sound to work. anyone know where I could find this package?
[23:20] <DanaG> -12 has been fixed for sound, actually.  You just need the corresponding linux-ubuntu-modules package.
[23:20] <twb> marlun: try enabling JPEG compression.
[23:20] <robinson> in KDE4 systemsettings, where is the "Administrator" button so things can be chagned?
[23:21] <googlah> Oh, I see. Well, I have the Intel HDA HD Audio on my motherboard. what could the corresponding ubuntu-module package name be_
[23:21] <DanaG> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[23:21] <marlun> twb: how? can't find any settings dialog in Vinagre...
[23:21] <twb> marlun: I don't know; I don't use GUIs.
[23:21] <googlah> could try it
[23:21] <googlah> thanks DanaG.
[23:21] <twb> marlun: I think it's a choice the (VNC) client requests, rather than being set on the server.
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> robinson: to tell you the truth, I don't know.
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> robinson: what are you trying to change?
[23:22] <googlah> DanaG: Was already installed.. but doesn't seem to work anyway.
[23:23] <DanaG> Odd.  Anything in dmesg relating to sound?
[23:23] <Agrajag-> g'day, i'm having trouble with my keypad, i've got a standard US 105 key keyboard which is selected in keyboard prefs, but the keypad doesn't seem to work in any apps. xev reports the keypresses and has the KeyPress/KeyRelease events, and gives "XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (39) "9"" which looks correct (when i press the keypad 9)
[23:24] <TuTUXG_> sweet, suspend finally works on my t61p
[23:25] <googlah> DanaG: Looks good there.
[23:25] <DanaG> Hmm.  Are the sound modules at least loaded?
[23:26] <googlah> I guess so, any clue how to check it out?
[23:27] <robinson> nosrednaekim: sorry , got distracted and found a related bug report that may also help with the kdesudo issue.. Check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/184491
[23:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184491 in kdebase-workspace "[KDE 4] Cannot get admin privileges in KDE4.0 System settings (Date/Time, Login Manager)" [Low,Confirmed]
[23:28] <DanaG> Hmm, lsmod | grep snd   -- don't paste it; just look if anything seemse relevant.
[23:28] <jessica_> hi dose anyone know how to control my fan speed sins putting hardy on my fans running at low speed and my laptop is getting very hot
[23:28] <mneptok> Agrajag-: numlock?
[23:29] <googlah> Yeah, all is there DanaG. The sound control says HDA Intel too, just that I have no sound
[23:30] <DanaG> Odd.  Try running alsamixer in the console and experimenting with the various sliders.  Gnome's volume control hides most controls by default.
[23:30] <Agrajag-> mneptok: what about it? was that a question?
[23:31] <Ng> what should I be doing if acpi-support's sleep.sh works, but pm-suspend doesn't?
[23:31] <mneptok> Agrajag-: yes, is numlock on?
[23:31] <jessica_> how can i control my fan speed
[23:31] <jessica_> ?
[23:32] <mneptok> Agrajag-: if not, that's why the numpad does not output Arabic numerals
[23:32] <googlah> DanaG: Okay, I will try do so. That layout was cool, btw. :)
[23:32] <Agrajag-> mneptok: clearly it is on, as xev reports the XLookupString, as i already said.
[23:32] <DanaG> Layout?
[23:34] <googlah> The command line design/layout for alsa-mixer.
[23:34] <DanaG> aah.
[23:36] <Agrajag-> eh.. i figured it out. "Allow to control the pointer using the keyboard" was ticked. i wouldn't have ticked it, something must've happened during the dist-upgrade i guess.. weird.
[23:36] <Agrajag`> Agrajag-, so numlock works like normal and all the other keys are non-functional?
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> robinson: apparently, its a upstream bug
[23:38] <jessica_> how can i change my fan speed
[23:39] <SilverDawn> can anyone here name a good audio player
[23:39] <SilverDawn> I dont know much about graphical ones i always just used mpd and xmms2, But now im trying desktops out :P
[23:40] <TuTUXG_> !mp3
[23:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:40] <SilverDawn> No issues
[23:40] <TuTUXG_> !xmms
[23:40] <SilverDawn> Just lookin a nice player
[23:40] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[23:40] <jessica_> dose anyone know about chaning my fan speed
[23:40] <rexy_> fancontrol
[23:40] <jessica_> ok thanks
[23:40] <rexy_> warning though
[23:40] <rexy_> know what you are doing, it will happily shutdown your fan if you configure it wrong
[23:41] <jessica_> ok thanks
[23:41] <jessica_> ill be cearful
[23:42] <DanaG> Laptop fans actually rarely are controllable.
[23:42] <DanaG> What brand laptop?
[23:42] <rexy_> hmm yeah laptops are a different matter, my dell does it automaticly
[23:43] <rexy_> whats the advantage of pulseaudio(vs using just alsa or esd/arts
[23:45] <RAOF> rexy_: I get to stream whatever audio I like over to my server connected to a stereo, rather than the anaemic lappy speakers.
[23:46] <rexy_> heu that's not new r unique to pulse though
[23:47] <RAOF> True.  You could _kinda_ do that with ESD.
[23:47] <DanaG> Ugh, ntfsclone is giving me only 6 megabytes per second.  What's up with that?  It's pathetic!
[23:50] <hischild> could i please get a hand in getting my atheros 5007EG working?
[23:51] <DanaG> 60GB / (4 MB/sec) = 4.3 hours.  Ridiculous.
[23:51] <hischild> scrap that request, it's fixed
[23:51] <DanaG> And ntfsclone doesn't even give an indication of progress.
[23:54] <plus_M> Hi, I'm trying out Kubuntu KDE 4.0 8.04 beta in virtualbox, but I can't seem to get the resolution above 800x600.  I explicitly gave some available resolutions in xorg.conf, but it doesn't seem to be accepting them
[23:54] <bhsx> i have everything set in power management for brightest display, but i still can barely read my laptop screen....  anyone know how to go in and 'manually' up the brightness?
[23:54] <bhsx> fn +f9/10 doesn't work
[23:54] <drsalton> i have a similar problem.. my brightness gets darker as I turn it up, and brighter as I turn it down
[23:55] <bhsx> i have to use the ati-supplied driver settings in windows
[23:57] <hmuller> Where does gnome-mouse-properties store it's settings?