[08:38] <kraut> moin
[11:21] <BenC> Good morning kernel folks
[11:27] <cking> Morning BenC
[11:27] <amitk> Morning BenC 
[12:06] <tjaalton> BenC: hey, could you drop the commit mentioned on bug 197929?
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197929 in linux "Backlight adjustment no longer works on Thinkpad X61s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197929
[12:08] <BenC> tjaalton: We have a fix in git for that, I believe
[12:08] <tjaalton> BenC: oh cool
[12:09] <BenC> mjg59: The backlight patch you sent to kernel-team@ a few days ago, does it fix 197929?
[12:11] <mjg59> No
[12:12] <mjg59> Completey unrelated. The one mentioned in 197929 should be reverted.
[12:13] <BenC> mjg59: Ok, thanks
[13:16] <mjg59> BenC: Based on the comment that #201591 is causing freezes when changing to X, I think we want that for hardy
[13:29] <mjg59> BenC: If another l-u-m upload is going to happen, #147087 would be nice to fix instead of having to direct people to some wiki page
[13:32] <BenC> mjg59: 201591 is already milestoned for release
[13:32] <buttterz> morning
[13:33] <BenC> mjg59: Added 147087
[13:33] <mjg59> BenC: Thanks
[13:36] <BenC> amitk, smb: These are the bugs we should be looking at (filter to the ones assigned to kernel team) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04
[13:37] <smb> BenC: ok
[13:40] <buttterz> hello, i am interested in helping on the kernel side of the house -- i'm new to ubuntu and have read some of your documentation concerning contributions -- any recommendations
[13:41] <BenC> buttterz: The URL I pasted above is most interesting at this point
[13:41] <buttterz> BenC , i figured as much :) so i was going to look into that anyways for giggles
[13:43] <BenC> hmm, I'm not sure what to do with this ralink driver problem
[13:44] <BenC> disabling the in-kernel drivers and moving the serial monkey stuff to lum seems like the right approach
[13:47] <buttterz> BenC , there has also been a few rumblings about wireless in +1 
[13:47] <buttterz> i was considering looking into that today -- i'm off for the week so i have some time
[13:48] <BenC> in +1?
[13:48] <buttterz> the testing channel
[13:48] <buttterz> for heron
[14:55] <tjaalton> hmm, something between -8 -> -10 broke hibernate on thinkpad X61, the laptop is not powered off
[14:58] <buttterz> tjaalton , i heard that too -- my buddy has been working on that because he has one i have a toughbook though so its not been an issue
[14:59] <tjaalton> buttterz: cool.. the hibernation itself works, ie. it resumes correctly etc
[14:59] <buttterz> but you are referring to the physical state of the machine correct?
[15:00] <tjaalton> yes
[15:01] <mjg59> tjaalton: And it works if you revert to -8?
[15:01] <tjaalton> mjg59: yes. I wonder if the drm changes broke it
[15:02] <tjaalton> I don't have -9 around
[15:02] <mjg59> Hm. Possible. Easiest way to tell would be to move i915 out of the way
[15:02] <tjaalton> cool, I'll try
[15:02] <mjg59> X will start without it, and that avoids DRM being an issue
[15:08] <tjaalton> yep, that did it
[15:09] <mjg59> Ok, cool
[15:09] <mjg59> Can you boot with the kernel option no_console_suspend
[15:09] <mjg59> And without quiet
[15:10] <mjg59> And see whether you get any interesting kernel output when it hangs?
[15:10] <smb> BenC: call?
[15:11] <tjaalton> mjg59: sure, one sec
[15:18] <tjaalton> mjg59: 2x "[ xxx ] drm_sysfs_suspend" is all I see
[15:20] <tjaalton> hmm, seems that bug 197064 is related
[15:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197064 in linux "Hibernate fails on Centrino-laptop" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197064
[15:29] <mjg59> tjaalton: Hm. Ok, interesting. Is the machine hard frozen at that point?
[15:30] <tjaalton> yep, feels like it
[15:31] <mjg59> tjaalton: Ah, hang on. Might have something
[15:31] <tjaalton> also, there's a patch upstream: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/23/269
[15:31] <mjg59> Yeah, that's what I was just looking at
[15:33] <mjg59> Could you give it a go with that?
[15:33] <tjaalton> yeah, I'll build a new kernel from git
[15:33] <mjg59> Sweet
[15:34] <BenC> tjaalton, mjg59: if that works, I'll target it for release
[15:35] <johanbr> Is there any chance the one-line patch from bug #39414 could be applied? Without it, headsets will be unusable for many people.
[15:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 39414 in linux-source-2.6.15 "syslog is flooded with messages after connecting bluetooth usb dongle" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39414
[15:36] <BenC> johanbr: For dapper or hardy?
[15:36] <johanbr> Hardy.
[15:36] <alex_joni> sounds assigned wrong (2.6.15..)
[15:37] <BenC> johanbr: That patch looks a little scary
[15:37] <BenC> johanbr: Is that in upstream kernel?
[15:37] <johanbr> Really? It's just a one-liner that turns off eSCO.
[15:38] <BenC> johanbr: it hardcodes SCO_LINK for everything, which to me is pretty scary :)
[15:38] <johanbr> No, it's not upstream yet. Marcel Holtmann had a patch, but the fix is buggy. No proper fix exists.
[15:38] <BenC> if there isn't a proper fix, I don't want to apply one that may be buggier than the original code
[15:39] <mjg59> BenC: It's disabling a feature which is buggy
[15:39] <johanbr> Right now, SCO does not work at all when talking to devices without eSCO support. I can't see how the patch could be buggier than that.
[15:39] <BenC> mayeb I'd feel better if I knew the difference between SCO/ESCO
[15:39] <mjg59> So the choice is really whether we support the buggy feature, or disable it
[15:40] <BenC> do ESCO devices support being used as SCO-only?
[15:40] <johanbr> Basically, eSCO allows retransmission of lost packets.
[15:40] <mjg59> Yes, esco is supposed to be backwards compatible
[15:40] <BenC> ah, then that's less scary
[15:40] <johanbr> BenC: There is also another patch in the bug that reverts the state to exactly what was there before, if you prefer that.
[15:41] <BenC> the one-liner is preferred at this point (beta/release)
[15:41] <johanbr> See also http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9871
[15:41] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 9871 in Network "hci0 SCO packet for unknown connection handle 1" [Normal,New] 
[15:41] <BenC> marked for release now
[15:42] <johanbr> Wonderful. Thank you.
[15:54] <elmargol> Hi, BenC do you have a minute?
[15:55] <elmargol> You changes bug #183928 to fix commited... somehow I don't see how you fixed this :/
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183928 in network-manager "update iwlwifi to latest version" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183928
[15:59] <BenC> elmargol: How do you now see how I updated iwlwifi to the latest version?
[15:59] <BenC> *not
[16:00] <elmargol> BenC: last version is from 03/11
[16:01] <BenC> elmargol: Latest iwlwifi is 1.2.25 from 02/04
[16:12] <BenC> amitk, cking, smb: ping
[16:12] <smb> BenC: ack
[16:15] <amitk> ack
[16:19] <BenC> Well, let's get started
[16:19] <smb> ok
[16:19] <BenC> Not much to discuss other than wanted to make sure we focus on release milestoned bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04
[16:21] <BenC> Final kernel upload is scheduled for 4-7/4-10, but I think we want to make sure to hit that on the early side (that's the latest)
[16:21] <BenC> smb, amitk: Anything you've come across that you think is extremely important for release?
[16:22] <BenC> mjg59: Same question for you ^^
[16:22] <mjg59> Nothing further I'm aware of
[16:22] <BenC> So far, all the bugs I've seen are "let's try to get it fixed for release", but none should really hold up the release
[16:22] <smb> BenC: Nothing in that category. 
[16:22] <amitk> BenC: bug 197929, haven't had a chance to revert the patch though
[16:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197929 in linux "Backlight adjustment no longer works on Thinkpad X61s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197929
[16:23] <BenC> amitk: Right, that one is milestoned for release, so should be on the list
[16:24] <BenC> 197929 seems to be the most important
[16:24] <BenC> anyone had a chance to look at ralink wireless drivers yet?
[16:24] <smb> The fix (but thats sauce) to 140511 might be "nice to have" and it should not be intrusive
[16:24] <smb> no not yet
[16:25] <BenC> bug #140511
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140511 in linux "Belkin USB bluetooth device loads wrong module" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140511
[16:26] <BenC> smb: If you think it's could be done for release, and is warranted, milestone it
[16:27] <smb> BenC: ok
[16:27] <BenC> Ok, anything else from anyone?
[16:29] <BenC> Great, thanks everyone
[18:58] <tjaalton> BenC, mjg59: the patch worked fine, my laptop powers down again when hibernating :)
[19:07] <tjaalton> I wanted to try the wlan-led patch as well, but that should be applied on top of lum?
[19:16] <mjg59> tjaalton: Sweet. Can you attach it to the bug if it's not there already?
[19:17] <tjaalton> mjg59: sure
[19:19] <mjg59> tjaalton: Winning, thanks
[19:21] <tjaalton> that commit was already mentioned, but it needs a patch to fix a compile error
[22:00] <JanC> hm, do I understand correctly that Ralink wireless is finally supposed to be fixed after 4 years ?  or will it only be "less bad" in hardy ?
[22:06] <buttterz> hey all, is there a real reason we don't supply seperatly patched kernels? say prepatches and andrew morton patches -- i know this is a release base OS but as an option?
[22:10] <adinc> is someone involved to the bug 185470 regarding the iwl3945 kernel module for intels wireless 3945 device ?
[22:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185470
[22:12] <adinc> there are many some people using this device, specially with notebooks, since hardy comes with this kernel module and has problems with microcode SW error i would like to ask if this can be expected to be solved with the release of hardy?
[22:14] <tjaalton> adinc: you mentioned that you are willing to test any fixes if needed, so add those upstream patches to the current version and build it. the wiki-page has all the instructions
[22:14] <adinc> yes
[22:15] <adinc> i'm new to ubuntu, if you can point me to the said wiki page i can do the testing
[22:16] <adinc> and which patches are we talking about?
[22:16] <tjaalton> adinc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[22:16] <tjaalton> adinc: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185470/comments/25
[22:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress] 
[22:17] <adinc> tjaalton: i see, but i'm not familiar with the term upstream patch
[22:17] <tjaalton> adinc: ok, in that case just wait for someone to test it
[22:18] <adinc> tjaalton: but this can not be that complicated, aren't there patches available? applying the patches and compiling it is not that difficult
[22:19] <tjaalton> adinc: you'd need to dig them up from git.kernel.org
[22:19] <adinc> ok
[22:20] <adinc> with upstream patch, you were trying to say patches from the developer below ubuntu, the kernel patches
[22:20] <adinc> ok, thank you very much so far
[22:21] <tjaalton> ah, right