[01:59] <tritium> Hmm, the !es trigger is nonsensical.
[02:05] <Amaranth> !es
[02:05] <ubotu> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:06] <Amaranth> what does it say?
[02:06] <tritium> In the channel where the only permit (mis-spelled) English.
[02:07] <Amaranth> eh?
[02:07] <tritium> If you are looking for help in Spanish, please enter the channels #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es, there you will obtain more help.
[02:07] <tritium> In that first sentence, s/the only/they only
[02:08] <Amaranth> oh, the first sentence is making fun of us
[02:08] <Amaranth> !-es
[02:08] <ubotu> es aliases: spanish, espanol - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:16:12
[02:08] <Amaranth> hrm
[02:08] <Amaranth> oh, maybe not, i misunderstood you
[02:08] <tritium> I would change it to "En este canal, solamente hablamos ingles."
[02:09] <Amaranth> if you tell me what to make it say i can set it, otherwise i have no idea
[02:09] <tritium> The second sentence is okay.
[02:09] <Amaranth> En este canal, solamente hablamos ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:09] <Amaranth> that?
[02:09] <tritium> Yes.
[02:09] <Amaranth> !no es is <reply>En este canal, solamente hablamos ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[02:09] <tritium> I don't think ubotu listens to me ;)
[02:10] <tritium> Thanks, Amaranth.
[02:26] <mneptok> En este canal, todos los hombres chupa mi culo.
[02:28] <nalioth> mneptok: please don't do that again
[02:56] <mneptok> nalioth: we're now moderating -ops?
[02:57] <nalioth> mneptok: that was uncalled for
[02:57] <mneptok> nalioth: i'm just trying to understand. i have seen far worse, in english, from others in the past.
[02:58] <nalioth> mneptok: you are far from being the same as the "others" 
[02:59] <nalioth> i'm not even gonna translate that for the others, it was so nasty
[02:59] <mneptok> OK, "Seveas"
[02:59] <nalioth> so when someone checks out the logs of this time, they are gonna assume they can speak like that in #ubuntu channels because we talk like that in here
[03:12] <mneptok> so then the answer is "yes." we are now moderating this channel for any speech not allowed in official channels. which is fine, as long as i know.
[04:07] <ubotu> In ubotu, teddy said: !AskTheBot what is ubuntu
[08:31] <jussi01> @btlogin
[10:27] <Gary> mneptok: lol
[10:29] <Mez> Gary, done (-uk)
[10:30] <Gary> yay
[10:31] <jussi01> hello all
[10:31] <Gary> I do like a tidy banlist, with only required bans there
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: oh, what a tragedy
[11:41] <Amaranth> ?
[11:42] <Amaranth> oh, automatix
[11:42] <Amaranth> well, i've been saying it's dead for some time now but no one believed me :P
[11:42] <elkbuntu> indeed
[11:42] <Amaranth> i have inside knowledge :P
[11:42] <Gary> I cannot believe I thought it was a good thing - once
[11:42] <elkbuntu> and their faq still blame us for their crappiness
[11:42]  * Gary holds his head in shame
[12:16] <Mez> Dave2, I thought staff were able to dodge Excess Floods ?
[13:22] <ubotu> Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu (jojojo)
[13:22] <jpatrick> I remember that guy..
[13:56] <Hobbsee> [00:46] <bazhang> [21:40] <mooz2> #TheLinuxers & #Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.\
[13:56] <Hobbsee> evand got that too, last night
[13:56] <Hobbsee> !staff | see above
[13:56] <ubotu> see above: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:57] <Pici> Hobbsee: they're aware, see #freenode :)
[13:57]  * Hobbsee isn't there
[13:57] <Pici> Well, they're aware :)
[13:57] <Hobbsee> cool
[13:57] <evand> Hobbsee: indeed, I believe that was the same channel I was pestered about.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> looks like it
[13:58] <Pici> Anyway, I reported it again in #freenode about a half an hour ago anyway.
[14:02]  * Mez is always getting that one
[14:03] <jussi01> does anyone else get often ones in turkish?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> not recently
[14:06]  * jussi01 gets them quite often
[14:16] <Hobbsee> traitor!
[14:16] <Hobbsee> Pricey: What do you expect, I'm just on vista for a few minutes.
[14:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: why're you running Vista?!
[14:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i'm not.  you are.
[14:21] <PriceChild> but you just told me above that you were?
[14:21] <Pici> Reverse psychology perhaps?
[14:22] <PriceChild> Pici: hmmm that's a tricksy Hobbsee.
[14:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you're sounding like emma.
[14:22] <Hobbsee> you should stop.
[14:22] <nikrud> ohh, coc :)
[14:22] <jussi01> hehe
[14:32] <Mez> o_O
[15:27] <ubotu> jussi01 called the ops in #ubuntu (neos857)
[15:27] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (neos857)
[15:28] <ubotu> ArmedKing called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[15:28] <ubotu> neos857 called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[15:30] <Hobbsee> jussi01: has he said anything useful at all?
[15:30] <jussi01> no
[15:30] <jussi01> not that ive seen
[15:30] <Hobbsee> apart from claling ops on himself.  how wise.
[15:31] <jussi01> yeah, check out his lastlog... sigh
[15:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:31]  * Hobbsee wasn't there, but is seeing it here
[15:44] <jussi01> wow, I just love it when someone just starts pm'ing you and pasting in pm...
[15:58] <Pici> Hrm, that guy did something kickworthy the other day too, I remember a hilight about it, I wasnt around to take care of it though.
[15:59] <jussi01> Pici: yeah. I looked at his last log as I havent left, and wow... 
[17:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Fellow ops and other interested parties.  I have decided to go back to teaching for at least another year.  I will still try to contribute to the channel, but my available time will be much more limited than it has been over the last year.  I will find other ways in which to promote and contribute to the project(s)..  Jack Sparrow...
[17:46] <tonyyarusso> Jack_Sparrow: good luck in your endeavors, as usual!
[17:56] <jpatrick> Jack_Sparrow: good luck, mate, and take care! :)
[18:27]  * jpatrick hugs Pici` and his doomed connection
[18:29] <Pici`> I think its my neighbors
[18:31] <Seveas> Pici`, EMP cannon does wonders
[18:31] <Pici`> Seveas: I dont have one of those, perhaps I'll tape a degausser to the ceiling
[18:32] <Seveas> hammer through the bathroom window when they're taking a shower on a cold winter day 
[18:36] <Pici`> arggg
[18:37] <jpatrick> Pici`: nice to see you too, thanks
[18:37] <Seveas> jpatrick, :D
[20:58] <Seveas> ick
[20:58] <Seveas> ubotu's package info lookup is broken 
[20:58] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[20:58] <Seveas> argh
[20:58] <ompaul> hahaha
[20:58] <Seveas> !forget 's package info lookup
[20:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about 's package info lookup yet, Seveas
[20:58] <ompaul> ambushed by your own bot - not really nice
[20:58] <Seveas> !forget s package info lookup
[20:58] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Seveas
[20:59] <ompaul> the amount of times I have done that - nice to know I am not the only one
[20:59] <Seveas> anyway, it's broken
[20:59] <Seveas> ompaul, newbotu has only edit-on-the-web
[20:59] <ompaul> ack
[20:59] <ompaul> lame location?
[20:59] <ompaul> woops
[21:00] <ompaul> same location as the other bot?
[21:00] <Seveas> the s and l are miles apart, even on an irish keyboard
[21:01] <ompaul> Seveas, this is a good point you make I can't type very well this evening
[21:01] <ompaul> Seveas, in fact lets make that any evening
[21:01] <Seveas> no comment
[21:02] <ompaul> Seveas, that was too much of a comment ;-0
[21:03] <ompaul> that was supposed to be a :-)   (4th attempt at the smiley)
[21:03] <Seveas> ye can't even type smilies prop'ly 
[21:15] <Seveas> who banned ubotu2 in -offtopic?
[21:15] <Seveas> and WHY?
[21:18] <ompaul> was it me
[21:18] <ompaul> ?
[21:18] <ompaul> or not
[21:18]  * mneptok siphons some raw fury off of Seveas for future use
[21:19] <Seveas> mneptok, I'm not furious
[21:19] <Seveas> merely curious
[21:19]  * mneptok dumps the vial into ##windows
[21:19] <mneptok> *those* people need some curiosity
[21:26] <ompaul> mneptok, no they need software
[21:34] <ryanakca> What do you do when someone is asking for help to hack an ftp server? -offtopic?
[21:34] <LjL> !illegal | ryanakca
[21:34] <ubotu> ryanakca: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[21:35] <ryanakca> LjL: thanks :)
[21:37] <ryanakca> LjL: Can you look at it please? It looks like he wants to test the safety of "his" server. No clue what one would do in a situation like that...
[22:21] <LjL> ryanakca, that's likely illegal in many a jurisdiction no matter how much it's his server
[22:38] <emma> Hello dear friends.
[22:39] <LjL> emma, thanks for joining... i just have to ask you once again to not use #ubuntu-offtopic as a place to recruit people for your channel. it is not acceptable, and will not be accepted. you understand how i do need to state this publicly once more
[22:42] <emma> I do not spam for any channels, ever. And I do not mention my channels in #ubuntu-offtopic. So we should probably clarify that your statement reminds me of the judge who asked the plantif how long it had been since they stopped beating their wife. 
[22:43] <elky_work> LjL never said you mentioned your channels in -offtopic.
[22:43] <LjL> emma, you PM users, and the fact that you now (after our first requests) ask them if they "feel like being spammed" first -- means nothing
[22:43] <LjL> emma: PM'ing new users arbitrarily to promote channels is simply not acceptable, no matter how you twist it
[22:44] <emma> You are talking about events happening in a counter-factual world. I have no problem with that as a philosophical exercise but let's not confuse it with the world we are living in.
[22:44] <LjL> emma: and note how i said to "not use #ubuntu-offtopic as a place to recruit people", while you replied that you "do not spam for any channels". you denied a different thing. but anyway, enough with the semantics: you know what we don't want you to do, and that's using #ubuntu-offtopic as the place to pick new users and introduce them arbitrarily to your channel.
[22:45] <LjL> emma, sorry, i have trouble parsing that last sentence...
[22:45] <LjL> are you saying that you do *not* PM new users arbitrarily to promote channels?
[22:46] <emma> Right -- It is common in philosophy to talk about hypotheticals as happening in a 'possible world'. A counter-factual is a discussion about events in a possible world. For example we might want to talk about a world in which Al Gore won the 2000 election.
[22:47] <PriceChild> emma: LjL is referring to what you have done in 'this' world.
[22:47] <emma> In a similar vein you might want to talk about a world in which I do any of the things you are scolding me for.
[22:47] <LjL> emma: i am indeed.
[22:47] <PriceChild> emma: if you have been referring to a different world till now, I suggest you say so and correct your statements so that we can continue.
[22:47] <LjL> emma: do you, or do you not PM new users who join #ubuntu-offtopic arbitrary, in order to promote channels?
[22:47] <emma> No. I never arbitrarily pm people.
[22:47] <emma> I do not do that.
[22:47] <LjL> emma, what is your definition of "arbitrarily"? just in case we're using different terms
[22:48] <LjL> emma, because you see, some people *
[22:48] <LjL> emma, because you see, some people *have* reported to me (again) that you do PM them
[22:48] <emma> Arbitrary suggests that there neither a reason, nor a desire to speak to the particular person being pmed.
[22:49] <LjL> emma, ah, i see - no, that's not what i meant by "arbitrary" here
[22:49] <emma> Lot's of people pm me, I just never report them because I don't find it offensive.
[22:49] <emma> Oh what does arbitrary mean to you?
[22:49] <LjL> emma, by "arbitrarily" i mean that you are not familiar with the people you PM, and there is no particular reason why you'd tell them (as opposed as someone else who join #ubuntu-offtopic - but then i fear that you do that with EVERYONE who joins it!) about your channel
[22:49] <elky_work> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3Aarbitrary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[22:50] <LjL> emma, but really, what i'm saying is, i think, pretty clear to anyone who's listening: I do NOT want you to private message users in the Ubuntu channels (specifically #ubuntu-offtopic) for the purpose of promoting your channels, when you do not know such users and have no particular reason to suspect they'd be interested in your channels
[22:51] <LjL> do you understand my request?
[22:51] <emma> No I don't.
[22:51] <LjL> emma, do you not *understand* it, or do you not want to *accept* it?
[22:51] <LjL> those are two different things.
[22:52] <LjL> if you don't understand it, then i'm afraid i don't know how to make it any clearer
[22:52] <emma> I do not understand it. I do not understand this entire discussion unless it is a philosophical discussion involving counter-factuals. 
[22:52] <elky_work> emma, is there any junk mail you ever receive that have nothing to do with anything you've ever bought, or would necessarily seek out to buy?
[22:52] <LjL> emma, so you're still denying that you do what i described?
[22:52] <emma> I never pm anyone arbitrarily. 
[22:52] <PriceChild> emma: You do not understand it because you have no been PMing random people?
[22:52] <PriceChild> *not
[22:52] <LjL> emma, you're a liar.
[22:52] <emma> I don't pm people at random. 
[22:53] <LjL> emma, look at this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61067/
[22:53] <emma> LjL - I feel that's an extremely bold claim and very offensive. I think your comment is not respectful and violates the CoC.
[22:53] <LjL> that shows pretty clearly how you PM'd an arbitrary user, who had just joined #ubuntu-offtopic and who had no knowledge of you (and you had no knowledge of them), with the clear purpose of advertizing your channel.
[22:54] <LjL> i am aware that it is a bold claim, however it is one that i can back up.
[22:54] <LjL> and don't waste your time restarting the semantics play, because you know what i stated above is perfectly clear.
[22:56] <emma> Nope. You violate the CoC at many levels and ought to be ashamed of yourself.
[22:56] <emma> The very log of a private conversation which you have just put in the Ubuntu pastebin actually vindicates me.
[22:56] <LjL> emma, since you aren't willing to comply with the request to stop advertizing your channel using #ubuntu-offtopic as a platform (and actually you won't even admit that you do, despite clear proof), i am forced to ban you from #ubuntu-offtopic again after the ban had provisionally been lifted.
[22:57] <elky_work> emma, you cant seriously believe that the logs vindicate you? on what grounds could you possibly believe that?
[22:58] <LjL> emma, i have every right to log that private conversation, because it shows that you are systematically abusive in the way i described. by the way, "Ertyle", this user that you've talked to, is myself.
[22:58] <PriceChild> emma: Perhaps saying "You are not telling us the truth" would have been better received, but I am afraid that unless you can argue those logs are not true, you have been 'lying'.
[22:58] <emma> To me it looks like two new Ubuntu users were talking about Ubuntu and Freenode and then one of them asked me what my channel is.
[22:59] <elky_work> emma, the first mention of another channel was <emma> would you feel like i was spamming you if I told you about another channel on Freenode?
[22:59] <elky_work> this means that you sought out to recruit him to there, and that you have been lying to us every time you say you do not do that.
[22:59] <emma> Not only did I not spam, the other person (notice how I am protecting their identity, unlike you who shamefully take a private message and publish it on the internet) actually asks me to tell them about my channel.
[23:00] <elky_work> emma, that person, ertyle *IS* LjL
[23:00] <LjL> emma, you are, once again, LYING
[23:00] <emma> And calling me a liar is very offensive, and it is exactly this kind of behavior which leads to strife. I feel that the Ubuntu Council should re-evaluate the people that it chooses to become Ubuntu ops. A very small number of your team has made all of you look bad. 
[23:01] <LjL> emma,
 To me it looks like two new Ubuntu users were talking about Ubuntu and Freenode and then one of them asked me what my channel is.
[23:01] <LjL> that user never asked.
[23:01] <emma> I see, so LJL was masquerading and lying. And then calling me a liar.
[23:01] <LjL> that user had never joined #ubuntu-offtopic before.
[23:01] <LjL> that user only greeted the people in there when he joined.
[23:01] <LjL> that user was me.
[23:01] <LjL> and you have been lying for too long.
[23:01] <elky_work> emma, no, LjL was what you know as an undercover officer.
 well i'm way newer :D
[23:02] <emma> So LjL was lying and then he called me a liar.
[23:02] <emma> This is very bad behavior for an Ubuntu op. I am going to have to ask that this be taken up by the Ubuntu council.
[23:02] <elky_work> emma, go for it.
[23:02] <PriceChild> emma: there is no 'ubuntu council'
[23:03] <emma> The irony is that even in your deceptive and malicious manipulation of me, you still only wound up with a private message which shows me being respectful and kind with someone I thought was a friend.
[23:03] <LjL> emma, you didn't think he was a friend. he was someone you had never talked to before, he merely said "hi" and "happy easter" in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:03] <emma> I believe the great irony to come out of all of this, is that this channel is full of people who violate the CoC on a daily basis in every way, while I am busy building a community.
[23:03] <elky_work> emma, you're the deceptive malicious one here. you decieved us into thinking you would stop this. you maliciously continued recruiting.
[23:04] <emma> Nope. I consider people friends. Your deception and manipulation not-withstanding, I felt I was speaking to a friend, and as you see, I treated you as one. Not forcing anything upon you, and only telling you anything after YOU ASKED ME TO TELL YOU
[23:05] <elky_work> emma, you forced that channel upon us. you forced your behaviour on our users.
 ok what is it, now i look better there are afew i can see but anyway is this like a secret?? :D
[23:05] <LjL> emma: additionally, i would strongly encourage you to act upon malicious behaviors happening in your channel. i'm not saying that this happened, nor that it didn't happen... but IF someone happened to, say, threaten DoS attacks on people, and/or announce they would be going to evade a ban set in Ubuntu channels, and that happened WHILE you were actively looking at the channel, well, i don't see how your channel wouldn't qualify as a harbor for trolls.
[23:05] <emma> Note for everyone reading this log that LjL was deceptive and malicious. Even as these people are calling me a liar, they are pretending to be friends in a PM and then baiting me to violate rules that I have never broken.
[23:05] <LjL> "topical" channels on freenode are not intended for that purpose, and you should discourage that sort of thing, and NOT by telling people daily that
[23:06] <LjL> "It is important for everyone to remember that just like we value our liberty and do not want to be hurt, the Ubuntu ops team, as a whole, is filled with bright, generous, human beings who also should not be hurt."
[23:06] <emma> This channel is full of people who break the CoC every single day. 
[23:06] <LjL> this kind of daily warning is ridiculous, and actually points to the fact that your channel *does* harbor trolls.
[23:06] <emma> Note for everyone reading this log that LjL, even as he was being deceptive and malicious and baiting me in a PM to get me to break rules I have never broken failed to do so.
[23:06] <emma> Even with his deception and malicious behavior all they could muster was a PM of me in which I'm being friendly and social and not forcing anything on anyone.
[23:07] <LjL> emma, can you stop repeating yourself please?
[23:07] <emma> I did not even tell LjL (who was being deceptive and malicious) about my channel until HE ASKED ME TO TELL HIM
[23:07] <emma> As you can see right here:
 ok what is it, now i look better there are afew i can see but anyway is this like a secret?? :D
[23:07] <ompaul> emma, you were asked not to pm people - you did - you can write it anyway on a whiteboard in red marker any way you like and it still turns out the same - you contacted the user first 
[23:07] <LjL> emma, everyone can see our query in the pastebin.
[23:08] <emma> Note for everyone reading this log:  LJL was maliciously and deceptively pretending to be a new user and a friend to me in a private conversation. He was using the name Ertyle and I did not tell him about my channel until HE ASKED ME TO TELL HIM
[23:08] <LjL> emma, now if you don't have anything else aside from unfounded accusations of violating the CoC, please leave this channel.
[23:08] <emma> As you can see here:
 ok what is it, now i look better there are afew i can see but anyway is this like a secret?? :D
[23:08] <LjL> emma, i need to force you to stop spamming this channel by repeating the same message, now.
[23:11] <nikrud> anyone with half a brain can see that the segue from <emma> Have you been on Freenode a while? to <emma> would you feel like i was spamming you if I told you about another channel on Freenode? shows the intent of the pm. Asking about spamming is nothing more than a fig leaf
[23:11]  * mneptok comes out from under the couch
[23:11] <PriceChild> Hello christel :)
[23:11] <elky_work> nikrud, pretty much
[23:11] <mneptok>  /m christel asl?
[23:11] <mneptok> oops
[23:12] <nikrud> just wanted it logged.
[23:12] <elky_work> christel, to what do we owe the pleasure?
[23:12] <christel> hi PriceChild :)
[23:12] <mneptok> nalioth: "I'm cofiguring OpenBox for good Emma. *GOOD* Emma!"
[23:13]  * nalioth sees christel and jumps behind the couch
[23:13] <tonyyarusso> wow, that was a special backlog to walk in on
[23:13] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, indeed
[23:14] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: i just vacated the spot under the couch, if you'd rather not read it.
[23:15] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: too late :(
[23:16] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, it still smells like mneptok anyway
[23:16] <ompaul> mneptok, did not know they still made hi karate ;-)
[23:17] <mneptok> ompaul: "Hai Karate" ;)
[23:17] <ompaul> was it?
[23:17]  * ompaul can't remember
[23:17] <ompaul> that and brut 
[23:17] <ompaul> hehe
[23:17] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwh3nQP5Uo
[23:17] <ompaul> bring back the seventies when computers were computers
[23:18] <ompaul> haha
[23:19] <mneptok> and moving forward from Darren and Samantha era to shag carpeted tables and cheap cocaine ...
[23:19] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbLM0piFIc8
[23:21] <ompaul> mneptok, that advert was based on the original thomas crown affair
[23:21] <elky_work> mneptok, not quite sure the drug reference was necessary
[23:30] <LjL> for your information, i've been muted from ##ubuntu-uncensored (before saying anything). just, so much for the irony. however, i'd like to explain once again what i did with "Ertyle", because it seems that emma may be trying to misrepresent that.
[23:30] <LjL> Ertyle join #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic, greeted the folks in #ubuntu-offtopic, and then was immediately PM'd by emma.
[23:30] <LjL> the contents of the private conversation can be seen in the pastebin i gave to emma.
[23:30] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Of course she's trying - we can all plainly see what happened though, and it confirms the earlier suspicions and reports anyway.
[23:31] <LjL> emma did NOT have any other private or public conversation with Ertyle before.
[23:31] <LjL> tonyyarusso, the fact that we can plainly see it, however, doesn't mean she cannot try to convince other of her made-up version of the facts, and since i have already urged the population of her channel to check *this* channel's logs, i'm concerned about making very clear what happened with Ertyle.
[23:32] <LjL> maybe people have logs of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic and here, so it should really be trivial to check out what actually happened, if one bothers to actually check instead of believing emma.
[23:33] <LjL> so i also suggest that any complains from other people who might join here and try to act as emma's "attorneys" be disregarded (i mention this, because it's already happened), and these people pointed to the logs instead.
[23:34] <mneptok> i hate lawyers
[23:34] <ompaul> mneptok, shhh jenda_ will hear you
[23:34] <LjL> this matter has lasted long enough, the fact that emma's channel exists in its current incarnation alone is sad, but we really shouldn't worry about any of this again. emma is permanently banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, and we should be able to conern ourselves with regular channel issues now, thankfully.
[23:35]  * nikrud plans a class action suit against mneptok on behalf of lawyers
[23:35] <mneptok> ompaul: pffft ... who cares? what can Jenda do? it's not like i'll be anywhere near ... uh oh.
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> What about our other channels?
[23:35] <ompaul> hehehe
[23:35] <mneptok> LjL: what Tony said.
[23:35] <mneptok> LjL: is she on a "last strike" on the other channels? or ... ?
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> I have absolutely no reason to believe that this won't spread to anywhere else, given the behavior we've seen so far.
[23:35] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, if she does the same thing there, it will be much swifter. she will not get all the chances for redemption she had this time.
[23:36] <tonyyarusso> elky_work: It takes us a long time to even find out she's doing it though.
[23:36] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, we take each channel as it comes
[23:36] <elky_work> tonyyarusso, which is why we need people to let us know when they're being spammed.
[23:37] <elky_work> someone please add 'Please report PM spam to the ops'
[23:37] <elky_work> to #ubuntu's topic
[23:38] <LjL> tonyyarusso, mneptok: i tend to avoid banning in multiple channels unless there's misbehavior in multiple channels - however, feel free to consider the possibility if a need arises
[23:38] <ompaul> if you are spammed in pm please report it with logs to #ubuntu-ops ??
[23:38] <ompaul> elkbuntu, LjL ^^
[23:38] <elky_work> ompaul, yep
[23:38] <LjL> i don't like that, it's kind of an invitation to actually do it in order to make a mess
[23:38] <ompaul> ack
[23:38] <mneptok> elky_work: done
[23:39] <LjL> like emma says in her channel "Respect the Ubuntu ops" is an invitation to do the opposite (why would any sane channel have such a statement? it's implicit).
[23:39] <ompaul> ahh lets to it more subtly
[23:39] <elky_work> LjL, alot of new users, the type she was targetting, may not actually understand that they dont have to ignore it.
[23:54] <elky_work> i actually feel sorry for those users in her channel, since the law of 'bird of a feather' indicates that they could potentially be mistaken as someone like her
[23:57] <nalioth> some of the newer, more naive users, sure
[23:57] <elky_work> yep, those are the ones i mean