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gNewPoweranyone here?00:44
zoredache!anyone00:44
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?00:44
gNewPowerok. lemme try this differently: any xubuntu developer here?00:45
zoredacheyou might want to try #xubuntu-devel00:45
gNewPowerok. I will.  I just wanted to thank the people who developed this superb distro. that's all.00:45
zoredacheah,  I suspect I would send an email to the maillist or something00:47
gNewPowerok, I might, cheers!00:48
billisnicehow do i update my xubuntu 7.10 to beta 8.04?01:19
ere4si!hardy | billisnice01:20
ubotubillisnice: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu01:20
Damionhowdy04:57
ere4si!hi04:59
ubotuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!04:59
DamionHow's it going?04:59
ere4siwatching the new daniel day-lewis movie atm :)05:02
ere4siit's slow :)05:03
DamionNo Country For Old Men?05:04
DamionStill haven't seen that.05:04
ere4siseen that - it's good :)05:05
Damionexcellent05:07
Damionargh05:07
ere4si!05:07
Damiontrying to upgrade to xubuntu (from windows 98, hur hur) but the disk image I downloaded via torrent doesn't seem to be a live CD05:07
Damionit doesn't boot and when I try and just click on the exec while the computer is running it stops halfway through and says it doesn't have the necessary files05:08
ere4sithe alternate cd? - it installs the same system just does it text based for "lesser" machines05:08
Damionwhich was odd because I burned it from what should have been a working image05:08
ere4sithere should be a md5 check for the cd05:09
ere4si!md505:09
ubotuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows05:09
Damionand to confirm, it was a desktop copy05:11
Damiondo you have to checksum a image05:12
Damionor can you checksum the CD you downloaded from that image05:12
Damioner, that you burnt05:12
ere4siI md5 the iso - then burn it - then md5 the cd05:13
Damionthe iso is on the external hard drive05:15
Damionwhich is currently connected to the laptop05:15
ere4siyou can md5 it05:15
Damionbecause I was just about ready to start the switch before I realized my CD didn't work05:15
Damionlaptop isn't connected to the internet because I only have one cord and no wireless05:15
ere4siahh05:16
DamionI figured out how to make it run in msdos prompt and it spat a wall of text at me05:22
ere4siwindows doesn't like linux05:23
ere4sihehe05:23
Damionthere appears to be a lot of no such file or directory's05:24
Damionin the last 9 or so results I can read :V05:24
ere4siwindows can't/won/t read linux file systems05:24
Damionthe file I got in http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows supposedly was designed for windows05:25
Damionhmmm05:25
ere4sihaven't used windows for years - how slow did you burn the cd?05:26
Damion40x05:27
ere4sios's need to be burnt slow - 4x is what I use05:30
Damionwhat makes burning an os cd different than any other sort?05:31
ere4sithe thousands of files05:31
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zoredacheI love all the stuff people make up to explain varations in the quality of optical drives...05:32
ere4sitell us more zoredache05:32
zoredachehow would the number of files make any difference when writing an iso?  It isn't dealing with the image as a filesystem it ist just writing one block at a time05:33
zoredachethe number of files should be irrelavent...05:33
ARZiany ideas for a good dock on xfce - like awn & cairo05:34
ere4sibut each file isn't made to correspond to block sizes zoredache05:35
ere4siARZi: I use a second  panel on the bottom for a dock05:35
zoredacheere4si: still what does that have to do with burning an iso...  The empty bits are already calculated when you built the iso... or are you suggesting cd-writers have problems burning zeros?05:38
ere4sizoredache: you're right - keep burning those iso's fast if you want - I don't care05:39
Damionwhile I'm contemplating the more important stuff, here's another question I've been turning over for a few days05:39
Damionhow do you pronounce xubuntu05:39
ARZiere4si: not a plane panel, but more like avant window navigator (is that the best choice, heard it wasn't compatible)05:40
ere4siARZi: you need compiz or similar for awn - one min and I'll find one05:40
ARZiDamion: xubuntu [eks-buntu]05:41
ARZiere4si: ok, i found guides to install compiz but their usually for GNOME05:42
Damionis the u always silent?05:42
ere4siARZi: gdesklets has he starterbar which is a good dock - has many other widgets as well05:43
ere4siecksuhhbuntu05:43
zoredacheARZi: do you have a link from another source showing the pronounciation?05:44
zoredacheit seems like it would make more sence to say zoobunto (like xylophone).05:44
ARZiere4si: thx, gonna give it a look05:45
ARZilet me check a online dictionary  :b05:45
ere4siARZi: I use it on my ubuntu box - weather, starterbar, etho inf, cpu etc :)05:46
ere4siARZi: the install from the gdesklets website is more up to date05:46
ARZiere4si: ok. this looks great. its got so many stuff05:48
ARZihttp://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/so-how-exactly-do-you-pronounce-xubuntu/05:48
ere4siARZi: just beware some is outdated05:48
ere4sirhythmbox stuff is one I found05:49
ARZiinstall from source, i forget how  :p05:52
ere4siARZi: it should be a .tat.gz file or similar?05:53
ARZiere4si: yeah, its tar.bz205:54
ere4simy typing is bad today - a .tar.z file05:54
ere4siagain!05:55
ere4siARZi: are you ok in a terminal?05:55
ARZiere4si: i'll be ok i guess05:56
ere4siARZi: you need to change to the dir that the .tar.bz2 file is in -   cd /path/to/file05:57
ARZiere4si: yeah i got that, now i type .configure .. right ?05:58
ere4siARZi: nope -    tar -xvjf ./filename      - where filename = the filename of the .tar.bz206:00
ARZiere4si: i used ->  tar xvjf filename.tar.bz206:03
ARZiere4si: ok now it created the folder06:03
ere4siARZi: open that folder and look for a readme06:04
ARZiere4si: there06:05
ere4siARZi: there...?06:05
ARZiere4si: yeah, i opened it06:06
ere4siARZi: what did it say?06:06
ARZiere4si: it says in order to compile gdesklets i have to install python & other lib stuff06:07
ere4siARZi: most likely that is installed - does it give version numbers for them - and a step after that?06:09
Damiondun dunnn06:10
ARZiere4si: pythin 2.3 or higher06:11
Damionmy cd's checksum does not match the one on the ubuntu wiki06:11
ere4siARZi: you have that06:11
ARZiere4si: yeah06:11
Damionso that's probably broken if I've checked it correctly06:11
ere4siARZi: cd into the folder that was made06:11
ARZiere4si: then it says to type in06:11
Damionnow checking the iso to see if it's problem was similar06:11
ARZi   $ ./configure06:11
ARZi   $ make06:11
ARZi   $ su -c "make install06:11
ere4sik06:11
ere4siARZi: going ok?06:14
Damionugh06:14
DamionNEITHER hash matches the one on the ubuntu wiki06:14
Damionbut neither hash matches eachother06:14
ARZihmmm i got a error on ./configure ..06:15
ARZiconfigure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables06:15
ere4siDamion: the .iso is the one you need to get right first06:15
ere4siARZi: what was the error?06:15
ARZiere4si: terminal showed this -> configure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables06:16
ARZithen it stop06:16
ere4siARZi: you need to install build-essentials to configure packages06:16
ere4siARZi: it is in synaptics06:16
ARZiere4si: ok, gonna find it06:17
ere4sik06:17
ARZiere4si: synaptics wont find anything under -> build-essentials06:20
ere4sione min06:20
ere4siARZi: are you using gutsy xubuntu?06:23
ARZiere4si: yes06:24
ere4siARZi: the package name is   build-essential06:24
ARZiere4si: ok found it   :]06:25
ere4sik06:25
ere4siARZi: install it and do the steps again :)06:26
ARZiere4si: oh wait, i also need python dev files too06:28
ARZiere4si: thx for the help, got it running06:49
ere4sigood on you  - I'll post the reply :)06:50
livingdaylighthi07:30
livingdaylightanyone know whether gnome-do runs on zoobuntu?07:30
ere4si!info gnome-do07:35
ubotuPackage gnome-do does not exist in gutsy07:35
livingdaylightere4si, it will from 8.0407:36
livingdaylightthere is a tutorial for 7.10 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/03/05/how-to-install-gnome-do/07:36
ere4siI've never heard of it - what is it supposed to do?07:37
livingdaylightits a bit like kde's Katapult07:37
livingdaylighthttp://do.davebsd.com/07:37
ere4sia prog launcher then ?07:37
livingdaylightyes... but more...07:37
livingdaylightclick a title of a song and presto07:37
ere4siwell xubuntu uses xfce - so it will need lots of dependencies I s'pect07:38
livingdaylightdeskbar+launcher?07:38
ere4sik07:38
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livingdaylightis there support here for zoobuntu on eeepc available here?07:40
ere4si!eeepc07:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about eeepc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:42
ere4sithere is an eeepc channel if that helps... :)07:42
livingdaylighti'm still wondering to remove xandros from eeepc and replace it with zoobuntu or not07:42
livingdaylightmaybe wait till 8.04 release07:43
ere4siI would - 3 yrs support and all07:43
livingdaylighti just wondered whether there would be advantages in size of installation with xubuntu vs xandros07:45
livingdaylightalthough xubuntu is nicer to look at, the xandros install on eeepc was designed for that machine in mind, so wonder if its more optimal in that regard07:46
ere4siI would not know - never seen xandros -   what does    df -h   in a terminal tell you about it ?07:46
livingdaylightthe install is about 2gb i think... don't have it in front of me now07:47
ere4sihttp://digg.com/linux_unix/eeeXubuntu_Ubuntu_for_the_Asus_EeePC07:48
livingdaylightty07:49
ere4sinp :)07:51
gynterkxserver-xorg 1:7.2-5ubuntu13, ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (mobile, laptop). Can't get fglrx working. After aticonfig --initial and X restart it'll give only black screen. I only know so much that under Windows I can't use Catalyst drivers, Xpress 200M works only with Omega 3.8.x.07:55
ere4si!ati07:59
ubotuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:59
gynterkaticonfig --initial returns, http://pastebin.com/d13323edf08:30
gynterkat last09:41
gynterkgot my ati radeon xpress 200m working09:41
Ven]nwhere do i set default browser?10:12
noclueanyone had issues with artifacts during video playback with nvidia-glx? http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badvideoea6.png10:22
gynterkWhy I can't play WMA files ?10:54
TheSheep!wma | gynterk10:54
ubotugynterk: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:54
gynterkthanks10:56
sweedahello!11:03
sweedacan anybody kindly help me about some problem during the installation of rt73 driver?11:03
ere4sihttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless - is a good guide11:08
sweedamany thanks.. i'm having a look11:10
ere4sior an ubuntu specific one sweeda  - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40023611:12
sweedai'm already following a guide but i have a problem with the command "make", it doesn't work. But it is not explained in rt73 guides11:13
ere4siyou need to install build-essential11:14
ere4siit will let you make stuff11:14
sweedaalready done11:14
ere4siwhat is the error then11:14
sweedacan i show you the log?11:14
ere4si!paste | sweeda11:15
ubotusweeda: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)11:15
sweedamake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'11:16
sweedamake[1]: *** No rule to make target `temp/rt73/Module'.  Stop.11:16
sweedamake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'11:16
sweedart73.ko failed to build!11:17
ere4sisweeda: did you d/load and open the file in /usr/src?11:18
ere4sisweeda: look here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40023611:18
sweedaok.. thanks11:21
sweedai do my trials and i'll let you know11:22
ere4sik good luck11:22
killownhi, how I do to purge xfce conf files?11:40
KingOfDosis it possible to hide the mousecursor after login?13:23
TheSheepKingOfDos: you could maybe make a mouse theme with an invisible cursor and select it as the default for that user...13:31
KingOfDosthat's possable true. but i want to do it from the console (with a bash script, or based on file content)13:32
KingOfDoson that way my puppet-master can manage all the "information kiosks"13:33
TheSheepno idea13:34
KingOfDosso i can setup a basic ubuntu server installation, and the puppet master forces all applications to be installed. after this make the changes to all the files.13:34
KingOfDosthen it's possible to maintain a couple of screens / computers that are sending "company information TV" to the internal coax (tv)13:35
KingOfDosit seems that xsetroot can do this based on scripts :)13:43
KingOfDoshttp://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=55567&cid=541516913:43
ubuntuhi, I'm using Xubuntu 8.04 beta and encountered a problem with the fonts. I changed the font, using xfce's font selector. but the size is not used correctly in most places.13:51
ubuntufor example the logout menu is correct, the settings manager itself is correct13:52
ubuntubut the taskbar, desktop, xchat, firefox, terminal,... they all have big and ugly fonts13:53
ubuntualthough it seems like they are using the font I picked "Tahoma", but not the size13:53
narothepharohhow do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10?14:00
KingOfDosto bad. the xsetroot -cursor option only works "outside" all applications.14:08
KingOfDosi've got firefox running at fullscreen, so the xsetroot -cursor is not an option14:08
s_artsKingOfDos: that is not completely true, it works outside RUNNING applications.14:10
s_artsyou are trying to reset the cursor-theme, right?14:10
s_artssorry, i will shut up14:13
KingOfDosi'm currently trying it with unclutter14:13
KingOfDosand i need to constantly hide the mouse. it's not needed at that device, never needed.14:14
KingOfDosxubuntu is just the base for a fullscreen firefox ;)14:14
KingOfDosunclutter -d :0 -idle 0 -jitter 400014:18
KingOfDosthat's working for me :)14:19
narothepharohhow do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10?14:26
luigisparapaneciao15:13
luigisparapaneho un brobllema15:13
luigisparapaneil gestore delle finestre nn funziona +15:13
luigisparapaneche fare????15:13
qawsHi, is possible to run Xubuntu with full XFCE on PC with only 128MB of RAM and 500MHz CPU please? I still cannot understand requirements on xubuntu.org/get15:32
ablomenqaws, yep you can, you just need to use the alternate install cd15:33
qawsablomen: thx, so can I ignore this sentence? Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.15:35
ablomenwell yeah it wont be super fast but you can ignore it15:35
qawsok, thanks a lot15:36
ablomennp, good luck15:36
luisbghey feckers16:06
zoredachepardon?16:07
luisbgzoredache, sorry16:59
luisbgwrong channel16:59
zoredacheah17:00
foncused1guten afternoon chan17:24
foncused1anyone here managed to get xub working with broadcom wireless devices17:25
foncused1builtin laptop broadcom devices17:25
zoredacheit depends on what chipset... There are lots of different broadcom devices...  I know my coworker managed tget his going17:38
zoredachevia ndiswrapper anyway...17:38
zoredachehave you see the wifi page in the wiki17:38
zoredache!wifi17:38
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs17:38
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JerenGood afternoon21:28
maxamillionhi hi21:30
JerenI can't say I'm sure if this is a question for here or not, but I'm assuming its a Xubuntu issue... but in any case, I'm attempting to use the exec() command in PHP to get a directory listing outside of the apache webroot without success21:30
ere4siJeren: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-server21:31
JerenI'll have a look in there, then.21:31
JerenThank you21:31
ere4sinp :)21:31
Ark1_hello, i am a newer user to linux and am trying to get my linksys wireless g usb adapter (WUSB54GC) to work with xubuntu. It shows up in the network manager but i cannot connect to my wifi network, using WEP 64. I also tried iwconfig and still it failed. can some1 please help me21:32
maxamillion!wifi21:32
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs21:33
maxamillionArk1_: ^^^^^ that link is a good place to start, there should be a listing of supported wireless cards with documentation of how to get them working21:33
Ark1_well i know it works21:33
Ark1_i can see my neighbors network21:33
maxamillionoh21:33
Ark1_but it wont work with mine21:33
Ark1_and i no i works with ubuntu cuz i have it working with kubuntu21:34
maxamillionArk1_: what application are you using as your wifi manager?21:34
Ark1_the netapp that came with it21:34
Ark1_applications->system->network21:34
maxamillionArk1_: ah, ok ... we will need to get you network-manager-gnome (i know the name says gnome, but gnome isn't required ... it just uses some gnome libraries)21:35
Ark1_okay, ill do that brb21:36
Ark1_o btw does apt-get work with xubuntu?21:36
maxamillionArk1_: do 'sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome' and then you will need to add 'nm-applet' to the auto started applications21:36
ere4siyep21:36
maxamillionyes21:36
maxamillionArk1_: nm-applet is the panel applet that comes with the network-manager-gnome package, and that will show you the surrounding wifi networks as well as handle the encryption negotiation for you21:37
Ark1_okay done21:38
Ark1_i see the applet21:38
maxamillionArk1_: awesome, now you just be able to click on the applet and go from there21:38
maxamillionArk1_: if you see the applet already without adding it to auto start then you probably don't need to add it to auto-start, the packager of the application probably set it to modify that setting on install21:39
Ark1_what is the diff between a shared or open key?21:39
Ark1_err open system and shared key21:40
zoredachean 'open system' has no encryption21:40
maxamillionopen system doesn't have en.... nvm21:40
Ark1_okay testing it21:42
Ark1_didnt work21:42
Ark1_it just closed and reverted to my wired connection21:43
maxamillionreally?21:43
maxamillionstrange21:43
Ark1_ya21:43
zoredachedisconnect your wire21:43
Ark1_hold then ill have to reconnect here21:43
zoredacheI believe network-manager will prefer an ethernet conection if it is available21:43
Ark1okay21:44
Ark1ill test it now21:44
Ark1it failed21:50
Ark1could not connect21:50
zoredachewith the network cable disconnected did you try clicking on the icon in the tray?21:51
Ark1yes21:52
zoredachehave you done anything on your access point to hide things?21:52
Ark1i entered all the info it asked for21:52
Ark1the network never shows up when you are roaming for it21:52
zoredacheif it detects your network properly you shouldn't have to enter anything other then the key21:52
Ark1you always have to know the essid before it will even show up for some reason21:52
zoredacheif you have blocked SSID broadcasting on your access point then you are just making your life difficult21:53
zoredachethere should be a checkbox somewhere to broadcast the ssid21:53
Ark1i no but i have no idea how to change it and its worked so far for kubunu21:53
Ark1where21:53
zoredacheYou would probably have to check the docs for the access point...21:54
Ark1is there anyway to do it without doing all that21:55
zoredacheprobably, I don't know how21:56
zoredacheI usually take the time to make the access point broadcast because it also makes your connection more reliable21:56
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SKShi at all...22:06
maxamillionhello22:06
SKSi have a pc with celeron 1133mhz ad 400mb ram... i have installed xubuntu from live cd and it is damn slow...22:07
maxamillionSKS: really?22:07
SKSfrom top my cpu is used 4.3222:07
maxamillionSKS: i've run it on much less hardware than that and its awesome22:07
maxamillionSKS: what about it is slow/22:08
maxamillion?*22:08
SKSit is more than ubuntu or kubuntu... my cpu is always over 3.0022:08
SKS<maxamillion>: from top22:09
maxamillionSKS: that doesn't tell me anything22:09
maxamillionSKS: what is slow? is it an application? is your mouse laggy? etc...22:09
SKSit uses about 70% for xorg...22:10
maxamillionSKS: yeah, you probably have the wrong driver in xorg22:10
maxamillionSKS: what graphics card do you have?22:10
SKSi have a intel built in chip (notebook) and i have installed the driver fron intallation cd...22:10
SKSthis pc is used only as router and emule...22:11
SKSand i'm not interested in graphic performance...22:12
zoredachewhy install a gui at all?22:12
zoredacheand why use a livecd for a router?  don't you want something a bit more permanent?22:13
SKSi ahve to use emule from wine... (windows version find more resources.. i have tried amuled for 2 month)22:13
SKSno, xubuntu is installed on the hard disk from live cd...22:13
zoredacheah, my mistake22:14
SKSit is strange... ubuntu is faster, but create problem on the ram (400mb is to small and paging a lot)22:14
SKSxubuntu is good for ram, but cpu is always at 300%22:15
SKSthere is a way to make xorg more light?22:15
zoredacheyeah, get rid of the windows manager all together and22:16
zoredachebut xorg by itself shouldn't be taking up 70% of the cpu...22:16
zoredacheI have seen other people mention a few bugs related to intel and xorg memory leaks though22:17
SKSi see it from "top"...22:17
zoredachehave you tried with a vesa driver22:17
SKSis the most cpu using process...22:17
SKShow i can change it?22:17
SKSchange to vesa driver (i mean)22:18
zoredachedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg22:18
zoredacheput an sudo in there if you aren't at a root shell by the way22:18
SKSok i'm tring22:20
SKS<zoredache>: i have to restart to make modifications active?22:37
zoredacheyes22:38
SKSthere is a way for restart only xorg?22:39
SKSnot the pc...22:39
zoredachejust log out and then press ctrl-alt-backspace22:39
SKSok thanks i try...22:41
crazy_busI have a older computer which has trouble loading all the livecd's I've tried.  Should I download the xubuntu livecd to try or will it probably just work if I install it off the alternate cd.  (there is 140mbs of ram)23:44
jdk1976hello fellow 'nix-ers. I am looking for a colorful init script for ubuntu, but haven't found very good information in google yet. I want the old kind that knoppix and mandrake used instead of a bootsplash screen23:45
zoredachethe install should complete from the alternatecd...  140 is on the lean side though if you want to actually use stuff23:45
crazy_busis there a better distro for 140mbs?23:46
zoredachewell it is less about 'distro' and more about which windows manager and applicationss you install23:47
TMNxubuntu on my 128mb computer is pretty sluggish23:47
zoredachecrazy_bus: there is a section on the wiki about installing a gui on low memory systems... I believe the suggest some of the lower-footprint window managers23:49
jdk1976runs pretty good on this one (same ram)23:49
jdk1976i use openbox when i run google earth or celestia23:49
zoredachehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems23:50
crazy_busthanks everyone.  I'll probably try fluxbuntu and see if that works23:52

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