[00:44] <gNewPower> anyone here?
[00:44] <zoredache> !anyone
[00:44] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:45] <gNewPower> ok. lemme try this differently: any xubuntu developer here?
[00:45] <zoredache> you might want to try #xubuntu-devel
[00:45] <gNewPower> ok. I will.  I just wanted to thank the people who developed this superb distro. that's all.
[00:47] <zoredache> ah,  I suspect I would send an email to the maillist or something
[00:48] <gNewPower> ok, I might, cheers!
[01:19] <billisnice> how do i update my xubuntu 7.10 to beta 8.04?
[01:20] <ere4si> !hardy | billisnice
[01:20] <ubotu> billisnice: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[04:57] <Damion> howdy
[04:59] <ere4si> !hi
[04:59] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[04:59] <Damion> How's it going?
[05:02] <ere4si> watching the new daniel day-lewis movie atm :)
[05:03] <ere4si> it's slow :)
[05:04] <Damion> No Country For Old Men?
[05:04] <Damion> Still haven't seen that.
[05:05] <ere4si> seen that - it's good :)
[05:07] <Damion> excellent
[05:07] <Damion> argh
[05:07] <ere4si> !
[05:07] <Damion> trying to upgrade to xubuntu (from windows 98, hur hur) but the disk image I downloaded via torrent doesn't seem to be a live CD
[05:08] <Damion> it doesn't boot and when I try and just click on the exec while the computer is running it stops halfway through and says it doesn't have the necessary files
[05:08] <ere4si> the alternate cd? - it installs the same system just does it text based for "lesser" machines
[05:08] <Damion> which was odd because I burned it from what should have been a working image
[05:09] <ere4si> there should be a md5 check for the cd
[05:09] <ere4si> !md5
[05:09] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[05:11] <Damion> and to confirm, it was a desktop copy
[05:12] <Damion> do you have to checksum a image
[05:12] <Damion> or can you checksum the CD you downloaded from that image
[05:12] <Damion> er, that you burnt
[05:13] <ere4si> I md5 the iso - then burn it - then md5 the cd
[05:15] <Damion> the iso is on the external hard drive
[05:15] <Damion> which is currently connected to the laptop
[05:15] <ere4si> you can md5 it
[05:15] <Damion> because I was just about ready to start the switch before I realized my CD didn't work
[05:15] <Damion> laptop isn't connected to the internet because I only have one cord and no wireless
[05:16] <ere4si> ahh
[05:22] <Damion> I figured out how to make it run in msdos prompt and it spat a wall of text at me
[05:23] <ere4si> windows doesn't like linux
[05:23] <ere4si> hehe
[05:24] <Damion> there appears to be a lot of no such file or directory's
[05:24] <Damion> in the last 9 or so results I can read :V
[05:24] <ere4si> windows can't/won/t read linux file systems
[05:25] <Damion> the file I got in http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows supposedly was designed for windows
[05:25] <Damion> hmmm
[05:26] <ere4si> haven't used windows for years - how slow did you burn the cd?
[05:27] <Damion> 40x
[05:30] <ere4si> os's need to be burnt slow - 4x is what I use
[05:31] <Damion> what makes burning an os cd different than any other sort?
[05:31] <ere4si> the thousands of files
[05:32] <zoredache> I love all the stuff people make up to explain varations in the quality of optical drives...
[05:32] <ere4si> tell us more zoredache
[05:33] <zoredache> how would the number of files make any difference when writing an iso?  It isn't dealing with the image as a filesystem it ist just writing one block at a time
[05:33] <zoredache> the number of files should be irrelavent...
[05:34] <ARZi> any ideas for a good dock on xfce - like awn & cairo
[05:35] <ere4si> but each file isn't made to correspond to block sizes zoredache
[05:35] <ere4si> ARZi: I use a second  panel on the bottom for a dock
[05:38] <zoredache> ere4si: still what does that have to do with burning an iso...  The empty bits are already calculated when you built the iso... or are you suggesting cd-writers have problems burning zeros?
[05:39] <ere4si> zoredache: you're right - keep burning those iso's fast if you want - I don't care
[05:39] <Damion> while I'm contemplating the more important stuff, here's another question I've been turning over for a few days
[05:39] <Damion> how do you pronounce xubuntu
[05:40] <ARZi> ere4si: not a plane panel, but more like avant window navigator (is that the best choice, heard it wasn't compatible)
[05:40] <ere4si> ARZi: you need compiz or similar for awn - one min and I'll find one
[05:41] <ARZi> Damion: xubuntu [eks-buntu]
[05:42] <ARZi> ere4si: ok, i found guides to install compiz but their usually for GNOME
[05:42] <Damion> is the u always silent?
[05:43] <ere4si> ARZi: gdesklets has he starterbar which is a good dock - has many other widgets as well
[05:43] <ere4si> ecksuhhbuntu
[05:44] <zoredache> ARZi: do you have a link from another source showing the pronounciation?
[05:44] <zoredache> it seems like it would make more sence to say zoobunto (like xylophone).
[05:45] <ARZi> ere4si: thx, gonna give it a look
[05:45] <ARZi> let me check a online dictionary  :b
[05:46] <ere4si> ARZi: I use it on my ubuntu box - weather, starterbar, etho inf, cpu etc :)
[05:46] <ere4si> ARZi: the install from the gdesklets website is more up to date
[05:48] <ARZi> ere4si: ok. this looks great. its got so many stuff
[05:48] <ARZi> http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/so-how-exactly-do-you-pronounce-xubuntu/
[05:48] <ere4si> ARZi: just beware some is outdated
[05:49] <ere4si> rhythmbox stuff is one I found
[05:52] <ARZi> install from source, i forget how  :p
[05:53] <ere4si> ARZi: it should be a .tat.gz file or similar?
[05:54] <ARZi> ere4si: yeah, its tar.bz2
[05:54] <ere4si> my typing is bad today - a .tar.z file
[05:55] <ere4si> again!
[05:55] <ere4si> ARZi: are you ok in a terminal?
[05:56] <ARZi> ere4si: i'll be ok i guess
[05:57] <ere4si> ARZi: you need to change to the dir that the .tar.bz2 file is in -   cd /path/to/file
[05:58] <ARZi> ere4si: yeah i got that, now i type .configure .. right ?
[06:00] <ere4si> ARZi: nope -    tar -xvjf ./filename      - where filename = the filename of the .tar.bz2
[06:03] <ARZi> ere4si: i used ->  tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2
[06:03] <ARZi> ere4si: ok now it created the folder
[06:04] <ere4si> ARZi: open that folder and look for a readme
[06:05] <ARZi> ere4si: there
[06:05] <ere4si> ARZi: there...?
[06:06] <ARZi> ere4si: yeah, i opened it
[06:06] <ere4si> ARZi: what did it say?
[06:07] <ARZi> ere4si: it says in order to compile gdesklets i have to install python & other lib stuff
[06:09] <ere4si> ARZi: most likely that is installed - does it give version numbers for them - and a step after that?
[06:10] <Damion> dun dunnn
[06:11] <ARZi> ere4si: pythin 2.3 or higher
[06:11] <Damion> my cd's checksum does not match the one on the ubuntu wiki
[06:11] <ere4si> ARZi: you have that
[06:11] <ARZi> ere4si: yeah
[06:11] <Damion> so that's probably broken if I've checked it correctly
[06:11] <ere4si> ARZi: cd into the folder that was made
[06:11] <ARZi> ere4si: then it says to type in
[06:11] <Damion> now checking the iso to see if it's problem was similar
[06:11] <ARZi>    $ ./configure
[06:11] <ARZi>    $ make
[06:11] <ARZi>    $ su -c "make install
[06:11] <ere4si> k
[06:14] <ere4si> ARZi: going ok?
[06:14] <Damion> ugh
[06:14] <Damion> NEITHER hash matches the one on the ubuntu wiki
[06:14] <Damion> but neither hash matches eachother
[06:15] <ARZi> hmmm i got a error on ./configure ..
[06:15] <ARZi> configure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables
[06:15] <ere4si> Damion: the .iso is the one you need to get right first
[06:15] <ere4si> ARZi: what was the error?
[06:16] <ARZi> ere4si: terminal showed this -> configure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables
[06:16] <ARZi> then it stop
[06:16] <ere4si> ARZi: you need to install build-essentials to configure packages
[06:16] <ere4si> ARZi: it is in synaptics
[06:17] <ARZi> ere4si: ok, gonna find it
[06:17] <ere4si> k
[06:20] <ARZi> ere4si: synaptics wont find anything under -> build-essentials
[06:20] <ere4si> one min
[06:23] <ere4si> ARZi: are you using gutsy xubuntu?
[06:24] <ARZi> ere4si: yes
[06:24] <ere4si> ARZi: the package name is   build-essential
[06:25] <ARZi> ere4si: ok found it   :]
[06:25] <ere4si> k
[06:26] <ere4si> ARZi: install it and do the steps again :)
[06:28] <ARZi> ere4si: oh wait, i also need python dev files too
[06:49] <ARZi> ere4si: thx for the help, got it running
[06:50] <ere4si> good on you  - I'll post the reply :)
[07:30] <livingdaylight> hi
[07:30] <livingdaylight> anyone know whether gnome-do runs on zoobuntu?
[07:35] <ere4si> !info gnome-do
[07:35] <ubotu> Package gnome-do does not exist in gutsy
[07:36] <livingdaylight> ere4si, it will from 8.04
[07:36] <livingdaylight> there is a tutorial for 7.10 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/03/05/how-to-install-gnome-do/
[07:37] <ere4si> I've never heard of it - what is it supposed to do?
[07:37] <livingdaylight> its a bit like kde's Katapult
[07:37] <livingdaylight> http://do.davebsd.com/
[07:37] <ere4si> a prog launcher then ?
[07:37] <livingdaylight> yes... but more...
[07:37] <livingdaylight> click a title of a song and presto
[07:38] <ere4si> well xubuntu uses xfce - so it will need lots of dependencies I s'pect
[07:38] <livingdaylight> deskbar+launcher?
[07:38] <ere4si> k
[07:40] <livingdaylight> is there support here for zoobuntu on eeepc available here?
[07:42] <ere4si> !eeepc
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eeepc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <ere4si> there is an eeepc channel if that helps... :)
[07:42] <livingdaylight> i'm still wondering to remove xandros from eeepc and replace it with zoobuntu or not
[07:43] <livingdaylight> maybe wait till 8.04 release
[07:43] <ere4si> I would - 3 yrs support and all
[07:45] <livingdaylight> i just wondered whether there would be advantages in size of installation with xubuntu vs xandros
[07:46] <livingdaylight> although xubuntu is nicer to look at, the xandros install on eeepc was designed for that machine in mind, so wonder if its more optimal in that regard
[07:46] <ere4si> I would not know - never seen xandros -   what does    df -h   in a terminal tell you about it ?
[07:47] <livingdaylight> the install is about 2gb i think... don't have it in front of me now
[07:48] <ere4si> http://digg.com/linux_unix/eeeXubuntu_Ubuntu_for_the_Asus_EeePC
[07:49] <livingdaylight> ty
[07:51] <ere4si> np :)
[07:55] <gynterk> xserver-xorg 1:7.2-5ubuntu13, ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (mobile, laptop). Can't get fglrx working. After aticonfig --initial and X restart it'll give only black screen. I only know so much that under Windows I can't use Catalyst drivers, Xpress 200M works only with Omega 3.8.x.
[07:59] <ere4si> !ati
[07:59] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:30] <gynterk> aticonfig --initial returns, http://pastebin.com/d13323edf
[09:41] <gynterk> at last
[09:41] <gynterk> got my ati radeon xpress 200m working
[10:12] <Ven]n> where do i set default browser?
[10:22] <noclue> anyone had issues with artifacts during video playback with nvidia-glx? http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badvideoea6.png
[10:54] <gynterk> Why I can't play WMA files ?
[10:54] <TheSheep> !wma | gynterk
[10:54] <ubotu> gynterk: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <gynterk> thanks
[11:03] <sweeda> hello!
[11:03] <sweeda> can anybody kindly help me about some problem during the installation of rt73 driver?
[11:08] <ere4si> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless - is a good guide
[11:10] <sweeda> many thanks.. i'm having a look
[11:12] <ere4si> or an ubuntu specific one sweeda  - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[11:13] <sweeda> i'm already following a guide but i have a problem with the command "make", it doesn't work. But it is not explained in rt73 guides
[11:14] <ere4si> you need to install build-essential
[11:14] <ere4si> it will let you make stuff
[11:14] <sweeda> already done
[11:14] <ere4si> what is the error then
[11:14] <sweeda> can i show you the log?
[11:15] <ere4si> !paste | sweeda
[11:15] <ubotu> sweeda: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:16] <sweeda> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'
[11:16] <sweeda> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `temp/rt73/Module'.  Stop.
[11:16] <sweeda> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'
[11:17] <sweeda> rt73.ko failed to build!
[11:18] <ere4si> sweeda: did you d/load and open the file in /usr/src?
[11:18] <ere4si> sweeda: look here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236
[11:21] <sweeda> ok.. thanks
[11:22] <sweeda> i do my trials and i'll let you know
[11:22] <ere4si> k good luck
[11:40] <killown> hi, how I do to purge xfce conf files?
[13:23] <KingOfDos> is it possible to hide the mousecursor after login?
[13:31] <TheSheep> KingOfDos: you could maybe make a mouse theme with an invisible cursor and select it as the default for that user...
[13:32] <KingOfDos> that's possable true. but i want to do it from the console (with a bash script, or based on file content)
[13:33] <KingOfDos> on that way my puppet-master can manage all the "information kiosks"
[13:34] <TheSheep> no idea
[13:34] <KingOfDos> so i can setup a basic ubuntu server installation, and the puppet master forces all applications to be installed. after this make the changes to all the files.
[13:35] <KingOfDos> then it's possible to maintain a couple of screens / computers that are sending "company information TV" to the internal coax (tv)
[13:43] <KingOfDos> it seems that xsetroot can do this based on scripts :)
[13:43] <KingOfDos> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=55567&cid=5415169
[13:51] <ubuntu> hi, I'm using Xubuntu 8.04 beta and encountered a problem with the fonts. I changed the font, using xfce's font selector. but the size is not used correctly in most places.
[13:52] <ubuntu> for example the logout menu is correct, the settings manager itself is correct
[13:53] <ubuntu> but the taskbar, desktop, xchat, firefox, terminal,... they all have big and ugly fonts
[13:53] <ubuntu> although it seems like they are using the font I picked "Tahoma", but not the size
[14:00] <narothepharoh> how do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10?
[14:08] <KingOfDos> to bad. the xsetroot -cursor option only works "outside" all applications.
[14:08] <KingOfDos> i've got firefox running at fullscreen, so the xsetroot -cursor is not an option
[14:10] <s_arts> KingOfDos: that is not completely true, it works outside RUNNING applications.
[14:10] <s_arts> you are trying to reset the cursor-theme, right?
[14:13] <s_arts> sorry, i will shut up
[14:13] <KingOfDos> i'm currently trying it with unclutter
[14:14] <KingOfDos> and i need to constantly hide the mouse. it's not needed at that device, never needed.
[14:14] <KingOfDos> xubuntu is just the base for a fullscreen firefox ;)
[14:18] <KingOfDos> unclutter -d :0 -idle 0 -jitter 4000
[14:19] <KingOfDos> that's working for me :)
[14:26] <narothepharoh> how do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10?
[15:13] <luigisparapane> ciao
[15:13] <luigisparapane> ho un brobllema
[15:13] <luigisparapane> il gestore delle finestre nn funziona +
[15:13] <luigisparapane> che fare????
[15:32] <qaws> Hi, is possible to run Xubuntu with full XFCE on PC with only 128MB of RAM and 500MHz CPU please? I still cannot understand requirements on xubuntu.org/get
[15:33] <ablomen> qaws, yep you can, you just need to use the alternate install cd
[15:35] <qaws> ablomen: thx, so can I ignore this sentence? Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[15:35] <ablomen> well yeah it wont be super fast but you can ignore it
[15:36] <qaws> ok, thanks a lot
[15:36] <ablomen> np, good luck
[16:06] <luisbg> hey feckers
[16:07] <zoredache> pardon?
[16:59] <luisbg> zoredache, sorry
[16:59] <luisbg> wrong channel
[17:00] <zoredache> ah
[17:24] <foncused1> guten afternoon chan
[17:25] <foncused1> anyone here managed to get xub working with broadcom wireless devices
[17:25] <foncused1> builtin laptop broadcom devices
[17:38] <zoredache> it depends on what chipset... There are lots of different broadcom devices...  I know my coworker managed tget his going
[17:38] <zoredache> via ndiswrapper anyway...
[17:38] <zoredache> have you see the wifi page in the wiki
[17:38] <zoredache> !wifi
[17:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:28] <Jeren> Good afternoon
[21:30] <maxamillion> hi hi
[21:30] <Jeren> I can't say I'm sure if this is a question for here or not, but I'm assuming its a Xubuntu issue... but in any case, I'm attempting to use the exec() command in PHP to get a directory listing outside of the apache webroot without success
[21:31] <ere4si> Jeren: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-server
[21:31] <Jeren> I'll have a look in there, then.
[21:31] <Jeren> Thank you
[21:31] <ere4si> np :)
[21:32] <Ark1_> hello, i am a newer user to linux and am trying to get my linksys wireless g usb adapter (WUSB54GC) to work with xubuntu. It shows up in the network manager but i cannot connect to my wifi network, using WEP 64. I also tried iwconfig and still it failed. can some1 please help me
[21:32] <maxamillion> !wifi
[21:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:33] <maxamillion> Ark1_: ^^^^^ that link is a good place to start, there should be a listing of supported wireless cards with documentation of how to get them working
[21:33] <Ark1_> well i know it works
[21:33] <Ark1_> i can see my neighbors network
[21:33] <maxamillion> oh
[21:33] <Ark1_> but it wont work with mine
[21:34] <Ark1_> and i no i works with ubuntu cuz i have it working with kubuntu
[21:34] <maxamillion> Ark1_: what application are you using as your wifi manager?
[21:34] <Ark1_> the netapp that came with it
[21:34] <Ark1_> applications->system->network
[21:35] <maxamillion> Ark1_: ah, ok ... we will need to get you network-manager-gnome (i know the name says gnome, but gnome isn't required ... it just uses some gnome libraries)
[21:36] <Ark1_> okay, ill do that brb
[21:36] <Ark1_> o btw does apt-get work with xubuntu?
[21:36] <maxamillion> Ark1_: do 'sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome' and then you will need to add 'nm-applet' to the auto started applications
[21:36] <ere4si> yep
[21:36] <maxamillion> yes
[21:37] <maxamillion> Ark1_: nm-applet is the panel applet that comes with the network-manager-gnome package, and that will show you the surrounding wifi networks as well as handle the encryption negotiation for you
[21:38] <Ark1_> okay done
[21:38] <Ark1_> i see the applet
[21:38] <maxamillion> Ark1_: awesome, now you just be able to click on the applet and go from there
[21:39] <maxamillion> Ark1_: if you see the applet already without adding it to auto start then you probably don't need to add it to auto-start, the packager of the application probably set it to modify that setting on install
[21:39] <Ark1_> what is the diff between a shared or open key?
[21:40] <Ark1_> err open system and shared key
[21:40] <zoredache> an 'open system' has no encryption
[21:40] <maxamillion> open system doesn't have en.... nvm
[21:42] <Ark1_> okay testing it
[21:42] <Ark1_> didnt work
[21:43] <Ark1_> it just closed and reverted to my wired connection
[21:43] <maxamillion> really?
[21:43] <maxamillion> strange
[21:43] <Ark1_> ya
[21:43] <zoredache> disconnect your wire
[21:43] <Ark1_> hold then ill have to reconnect here
[21:43] <zoredache> I believe network-manager will prefer an ethernet conection if it is available
[21:44] <Ark1> okay
[21:44] <Ark1> ill test it now
[21:50] <Ark1> it failed
[21:50] <Ark1> could not connect
[21:51] <zoredache> with the network cable disconnected did you try clicking on the icon in the tray?
[21:52] <Ark1> yes
[21:52] <zoredache> have you done anything on your access point to hide things?
[21:52] <Ark1> i entered all the info it asked for
[21:52] <Ark1> the network never shows up when you are roaming for it
[21:52] <zoredache> if it detects your network properly you shouldn't have to enter anything other then the key
[21:52] <Ark1> you always have to know the essid before it will even show up for some reason
[21:53] <zoredache> if you have blocked SSID broadcasting on your access point then you are just making your life difficult
[21:53] <zoredache> there should be a checkbox somewhere to broadcast the ssid
[21:53] <Ark1> i no but i have no idea how to change it and its worked so far for kubunu
[21:53] <Ark1> where
[21:54] <zoredache> You would probably have to check the docs for the access point...
[21:55] <Ark1> is there anyway to do it without doing all that
[21:56] <zoredache> probably, I don't know how
[21:56] <zoredache> I usually take the time to make the access point broadcast because it also makes your connection more reliable
[22:06] <SKS> hi at all...
[22:06] <maxamillion> hello
[22:07] <SKS> i have a pc with celeron 1133mhz ad 400mb ram... i have installed xubuntu from live cd and it is damn slow...
[22:07] <maxamillion> SKS: really?
[22:07] <SKS> from top my cpu is used 4.32
[22:07] <maxamillion> SKS: i've run it on much less hardware than that and its awesome
[22:08] <maxamillion> SKS: what about it is slow/
[22:08] <maxamillion> ?*
[22:08] <SKS> it is more than ubuntu or kubuntu... my cpu is always over 3.00
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[22:09] <maxamillion> SKS: that doesn't tell me anything
[22:09] <maxamillion> SKS: what is slow? is it an application? is your mouse laggy? etc...
[22:10] <SKS> it uses about 70% for xorg...
[22:10] <maxamillion> SKS: yeah, you probably have the wrong driver in xorg
[22:10] <maxamillion> SKS: what graphics card do you have?
[22:10] <SKS> i have a intel built in chip (notebook) and i have installed the driver fron intallation cd...
[22:11] <SKS> this pc is used only as router and emule...
[22:12] <SKS> and i'm not interested in graphic performance...
[22:12] <zoredache> why install a gui at all?
[22:13] <zoredache> and why use a livecd for a router?  don't you want something a bit more permanent?
[22:13] <SKS> i ahve to use emule from wine... (windows version find more resources.. i have tried amuled for 2 month)
[22:13] <SKS> no, xubuntu is installed on the hard disk from live cd...
[22:14] <zoredache> ah, my mistake
[22:14] <SKS> it is strange... ubuntu is faster, but create problem on the ram (400mb is to small and paging a lot)
[22:15] <SKS> xubuntu is good for ram, but cpu is always at 300%
[22:15] <SKS> there is a way to make xorg more light?
[22:16] <zoredache> yeah, get rid of the windows manager all together and
[22:16] <zoredache> but xorg by itself shouldn't be taking up 70% of the cpu...
[22:17] <zoredache> I have seen other people mention a few bugs related to intel and xorg memory leaks though
[22:17] <SKS> i see it from "top"...
[22:17] <zoredache> have you tried with a vesa driver
[22:17] <SKS> is the most cpu using process...
[22:17] <SKS> how i can change it?
[22:18] <SKS> change to vesa driver (i mean)
[22:18] <zoredache> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:18] <zoredache> put an sudo in there if you aren't at a root shell by the way
[22:20] <SKS> ok i'm tring
 i have to restart to make modifications active?
[22:38] <zoredache> yes
[22:39] <SKS> there is a way for restart only xorg?
[22:39] <SKS> not the pc...
[22:39] <zoredache> just log out and then press ctrl-alt-backspace
[22:41] <SKS> ok thanks i try...
[23:44] <crazy_bus> I have a older computer which has trouble loading all the livecd's I've tried.  Should I download the xubuntu livecd to try or will it probably just work if I install it off the alternate cd.  (there is 140mbs of ram)
[23:45] <jdk1976> hello fellow 'nix-ers. I am looking for a colorful init script for ubuntu, but haven't found very good information in google yet. I want the old kind that knoppix and mandrake used instead of a bootsplash screen
[23:45] <zoredache> the install should complete from the alternatecd...  140 is on the lean side though if you want to actually use stuff
[23:46] <crazy_bus> is there a better distro for 140mbs?
[23:47] <zoredache> well it is less about 'distro' and more about which windows manager and applicationss you install
[23:47] <TMN> xubuntu on my 128mb computer is pretty sluggish
[23:49] <zoredache> crazy_bus: there is a section on the wiki about installing a gui on low memory systems... I believe the suggest some of the lower-footprint window managers
[23:49] <jdk1976> runs pretty good on this one (same ram)
[23:49] <jdk1976> i use openbox when i run google earth or celestia
[23:50] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[23:52] <crazy_bus> thanks everyone.  I'll probably try fluxbuntu and see if that works