[00:44] anyone here? [00:44] !anyone [00:44] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [00:45] ok. lemme try this differently: any xubuntu developer here? [00:45] you might want to try #xubuntu-devel [00:45] ok. I will. I just wanted to thank the people who developed this superb distro. that's all. [00:47] ah, I suspect I would send an email to the maillist or something [00:48] ok, I might, cheers! [01:19] how do i update my xubuntu 7.10 to beta 8.04? [01:20] !hardy | billisnice [01:20] billisnice: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [04:57] howdy [04:59] !hi [04:59] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [04:59] How's it going? [05:02] watching the new daniel day-lewis movie atm :) [05:03] it's slow :) [05:04] No Country For Old Men? [05:04] Still haven't seen that. [05:05] seen that - it's good :) [05:07] excellent [05:07] argh [05:07] ! [05:07] trying to upgrade to xubuntu (from windows 98, hur hur) but the disk image I downloaded via torrent doesn't seem to be a live CD [05:08] it doesn't boot and when I try and just click on the exec while the computer is running it stops halfway through and says it doesn't have the necessary files [05:08] the alternate cd? - it installs the same system just does it text based for "lesser" machines [05:08] which was odd because I burned it from what should have been a working image [05:09] there should be a md5 check for the cd [05:09] !md5 [05:09] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [05:11] and to confirm, it was a desktop copy [05:12] do you have to checksum a image [05:12] or can you checksum the CD you downloaded from that image [05:12] er, that you burnt [05:13] I md5 the iso - then burn it - then md5 the cd [05:15] the iso is on the external hard drive [05:15] which is currently connected to the laptop [05:15] you can md5 it [05:15] because I was just about ready to start the switch before I realized my CD didn't work [05:15] laptop isn't connected to the internet because I only have one cord and no wireless [05:16] ahh [05:22] I figured out how to make it run in msdos prompt and it spat a wall of text at me [05:23] windows doesn't like linux [05:23] hehe [05:24] there appears to be a lot of no such file or directory's [05:24] in the last 9 or so results I can read :V [05:24] windows can't/won/t read linux file systems [05:25] the file I got in http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows supposedly was designed for windows [05:25] hmmm [05:26] haven't used windows for years - how slow did you burn the cd? [05:27] 40x [05:30] os's need to be burnt slow - 4x is what I use [05:31] what makes burning an os cd different than any other sort? [05:31] the thousands of files === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [05:32] I love all the stuff people make up to explain varations in the quality of optical drives... [05:32] tell us more zoredache [05:33] how would the number of files make any difference when writing an iso? It isn't dealing with the image as a filesystem it ist just writing one block at a time [05:33] the number of files should be irrelavent... [05:34] any ideas for a good dock on xfce - like awn & cairo [05:35] but each file isn't made to correspond to block sizes zoredache [05:35] ARZi: I use a second panel on the bottom for a dock [05:38] ere4si: still what does that have to do with burning an iso... The empty bits are already calculated when you built the iso... or are you suggesting cd-writers have problems burning zeros? [05:39] zoredache: you're right - keep burning those iso's fast if you want - I don't care [05:39] while I'm contemplating the more important stuff, here's another question I've been turning over for a few days [05:39] how do you pronounce xubuntu [05:40] ere4si: not a plane panel, but more like avant window navigator (is that the best choice, heard it wasn't compatible) [05:40] ARZi: you need compiz or similar for awn - one min and I'll find one [05:41] Damion: xubuntu [eks-buntu] [05:42] ere4si: ok, i found guides to install compiz but their usually for GNOME [05:42] is the u always silent? [05:43] ARZi: gdesklets has he starterbar which is a good dock - has many other widgets as well [05:43] ecksuhhbuntu [05:44] ARZi: do you have a link from another source showing the pronounciation? [05:44] it seems like it would make more sence to say zoobunto (like xylophone). [05:45] ere4si: thx, gonna give it a look [05:45] let me check a online dictionary :b [05:46] ARZi: I use it on my ubuntu box - weather, starterbar, etho inf, cpu etc :) [05:46] ARZi: the install from the gdesklets website is more up to date [05:48] ere4si: ok. this looks great. its got so many stuff [05:48] http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/so-how-exactly-do-you-pronounce-xubuntu/ [05:48] ARZi: just beware some is outdated [05:49] rhythmbox stuff is one I found [05:52] install from source, i forget how :p [05:53] ARZi: it should be a .tat.gz file or similar? [05:54] ere4si: yeah, its tar.bz2 [05:54] my typing is bad today - a .tar.z file [05:55] again! [05:55] ARZi: are you ok in a terminal? [05:56] ere4si: i'll be ok i guess [05:57] ARZi: you need to change to the dir that the .tar.bz2 file is in - cd /path/to/file [05:58] ere4si: yeah i got that, now i type .configure .. right ? [06:00] ARZi: nope - tar -xvjf ./filename - where filename = the filename of the .tar.bz2 [06:03] ere4si: i used -> tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2 [06:03] ere4si: ok now it created the folder [06:04] ARZi: open that folder and look for a readme [06:05] ere4si: there [06:05] ARZi: there...? [06:06] ere4si: yeah, i opened it [06:06] ARZi: what did it say? [06:07] ere4si: it says in order to compile gdesklets i have to install python & other lib stuff [06:09] ARZi: most likely that is installed - does it give version numbers for them - and a step after that? [06:10] dun dunnn [06:11] ere4si: pythin 2.3 or higher [06:11] my cd's checksum does not match the one on the ubuntu wiki [06:11] ARZi: you have that [06:11] ere4si: yeah [06:11] so that's probably broken if I've checked it correctly [06:11] ARZi: cd into the folder that was made [06:11] ere4si: then it says to type in [06:11] now checking the iso to see if it's problem was similar [06:11] $ ./configure [06:11] $ make [06:11] $ su -c "make install [06:11] k [06:14] ARZi: going ok? [06:14] ugh [06:14] NEITHER hash matches the one on the ubuntu wiki [06:14] but neither hash matches eachother [06:15] hmmm i got a error on ./configure .. [06:15] configure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables [06:15] Damion: the .iso is the one you need to get right first [06:15] ARZi: what was the error? [06:16] ere4si: terminal showed this -> configure: error: C compiler cannot creat executables [06:16] then it stop [06:16] ARZi: you need to install build-essentials to configure packages [06:16] ARZi: it is in synaptics [06:17] ere4si: ok, gonna find it [06:17] k [06:20] ere4si: synaptics wont find anything under -> build-essentials [06:20] one min [06:23] ARZi: are you using gutsy xubuntu? [06:24] ere4si: yes [06:24] ARZi: the package name is build-essential [06:25] ere4si: ok found it :] [06:25] k [06:26] ARZi: install it and do the steps again :) [06:28] ere4si: oh wait, i also need python dev files too [06:49] ere4si: thx for the help, got it running [06:50] good on you - I'll post the reply :) [07:30] hi [07:30] anyone know whether gnome-do runs on zoobuntu? [07:35] !info gnome-do [07:35] Package gnome-do does not exist in gutsy [07:36] ere4si, it will from 8.04 [07:36] there is a tutorial for 7.10 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/03/05/how-to-install-gnome-do/ [07:37] I've never heard of it - what is it supposed to do? [07:37] its a bit like kde's Katapult [07:37] http://do.davebsd.com/ [07:37] a prog launcher then ? [07:37] yes... but more... [07:37] click a title of a song and presto [07:38] well xubuntu uses xfce - so it will need lots of dependencies I s'pect [07:38] deskbar+launcher? [07:38] k === HACKhalo2_ is now known as HACKhalo2 [07:40] is there support here for zoobuntu on eeepc available here? [07:42] !eeepc [07:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about eeepc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [07:42] there is an eeepc channel if that helps... :) [07:42] i'm still wondering to remove xandros from eeepc and replace it with zoobuntu or not [07:43] maybe wait till 8.04 release [07:43] I would - 3 yrs support and all [07:45] i just wondered whether there would be advantages in size of installation with xubuntu vs xandros [07:46] although xubuntu is nicer to look at, the xandros install on eeepc was designed for that machine in mind, so wonder if its more optimal in that regard [07:46] I would not know - never seen xandros - what does df -h in a terminal tell you about it ? [07:47] the install is about 2gb i think... don't have it in front of me now [07:48] http://digg.com/linux_unix/eeeXubuntu_Ubuntu_for_the_Asus_EeePC [07:49] ty [07:51] np :) [07:55] xserver-xorg 1:7.2-5ubuntu13, ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (mobile, laptop). Can't get fglrx working. After aticonfig --initial and X restart it'll give only black screen. I only know so much that under Windows I can't use Catalyst drivers, Xpress 200M works only with Omega 3.8.x. [07:59] !ati [07:59] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [08:30] aticonfig --initial returns, http://pastebin.com/d13323edf [09:41] at last [09:41] got my ati radeon xpress 200m working [10:12] where do i set default browser? [10:22] anyone had issues with artifacts during video playback with nvidia-glx? http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badvideoea6.png [10:54] Why I can't play WMA files ? [10:54] !wma | gynterk [10:54] gynterk: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [10:56] thanks [11:03] hello! [11:03] can anybody kindly help me about some problem during the installation of rt73 driver? [11:08] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless - is a good guide [11:10] many thanks.. i'm having a look [11:12] or an ubuntu specific one sweeda - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236 [11:13] i'm already following a guide but i have a problem with the command "make", it doesn't work. But it is not explained in rt73 guides [11:14] you need to install build-essential [11:14] it will let you make stuff [11:14] already done [11:14] what is the error then [11:14] can i show you the log? [11:15] !paste | sweeda [11:15] sweeda: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [11:16] make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic' [11:16] make[1]: *** No rule to make target `temp/rt73/Module'. Stop. [11:16] make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic' [11:17] rt73.ko failed to build! [11:18] sweeda: did you d/load and open the file in /usr/src? [11:18] sweeda: look here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236 [11:21] ok.. thanks [11:22] i do my trials and i'll let you know [11:22] k good luck [11:40] hi, how I do to purge xfce conf files? [13:23] is it possible to hide the mousecursor after login? [13:31] KingOfDos: you could maybe make a mouse theme with an invisible cursor and select it as the default for that user... [13:32] that's possable true. but i want to do it from the console (with a bash script, or based on file content) [13:33] on that way my puppet-master can manage all the "information kiosks" [13:34] no idea [13:34] so i can setup a basic ubuntu server installation, and the puppet master forces all applications to be installed. after this make the changes to all the files. [13:35] then it's possible to maintain a couple of screens / computers that are sending "company information TV" to the internal coax (tv) [13:43] it seems that xsetroot can do this based on scripts :) [13:43] http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=55567&cid=5415169 [13:51] hi, I'm using Xubuntu 8.04 beta and encountered a problem with the fonts. I changed the font, using xfce's font selector. but the size is not used correctly in most places. [13:52] for example the logout menu is correct, the settings manager itself is correct [13:53] but the taskbar, desktop, xchat, firefox, terminal,... they all have big and ugly fonts [13:53] although it seems like they are using the font I picked "Tahoma", but not the size [14:00] how do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10? [14:08] to bad. the xsetroot -cursor option only works "outside" all applications. [14:08] i've got firefox running at fullscreen, so the xsetroot -cursor is not an option [14:10] KingOfDos: that is not completely true, it works outside RUNNING applications. [14:10] you are trying to reset the cursor-theme, right? [14:13] sorry, i will shut up [14:13] i'm currently trying it with unclutter [14:14] and i need to constantly hide the mouse. it's not needed at that device, never needed. [14:14] xubuntu is just the base for a fullscreen firefox ;) [14:18] unclutter -d :0 -idle 0 -jitter 4000 [14:19] that's working for me :) [14:26] how do i get a webcam to work in xubuntu 7.10? [15:13] ciao [15:13] ho un brobllema [15:13] il gestore delle finestre nn funziona + [15:13] che fare???? [15:32] Hi, is possible to run Xubuntu with full XFCE on PC with only 128MB of RAM and 500MHz CPU please? I still cannot understand requirements on xubuntu.org/get [15:33] qaws, yep you can, you just need to use the alternate install cd [15:35] ablomen: thx, so can I ignore this sentence? Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM. [15:35] well yeah it wont be super fast but you can ignore it [15:36] ok, thanks a lot [15:36] np, good luck [16:06] hey feckers [16:07] pardon? [16:59] zoredache, sorry [16:59] wrong channel [17:00] ah [17:24] guten afternoon chan [17:25] anyone here managed to get xub working with broadcom wireless devices [17:25] builtin laptop broadcom devices [17:38] it depends on what chipset... There are lots of different broadcom devices... I know my coworker managed tget his going [17:38] via ndiswrapper anyway... [17:38] have you see the wifi page in the wiki [17:38] !wifi [17:38] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs === maxamillion is now known as notMax [21:28] Good afternoon [21:30] hi hi [21:30] I can't say I'm sure if this is a question for here or not, but I'm assuming its a Xubuntu issue... but in any case, I'm attempting to use the exec() command in PHP to get a directory listing outside of the apache webroot without success [21:31] Jeren: you might have more luck in #ubuntu-server [21:31] I'll have a look in there, then. [21:31] Thank you [21:31] np :) [21:32] hello, i am a newer user to linux and am trying to get my linksys wireless g usb adapter (WUSB54GC) to work with xubuntu. It shows up in the network manager but i cannot connect to my wifi network, using WEP 64. I also tried iwconfig and still it failed. can some1 please help me [21:32] !wifi [21:33] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [21:33] Ark1_: ^^^^^ that link is a good place to start, there should be a listing of supported wireless cards with documentation of how to get them working [21:33] well i know it works [21:33] i can see my neighbors network [21:33] oh [21:33] but it wont work with mine [21:34] and i no i works with ubuntu cuz i have it working with kubuntu [21:34] Ark1_: what application are you using as your wifi manager? [21:34] the netapp that came with it [21:34] applications->system->network [21:35] Ark1_: ah, ok ... we will need to get you network-manager-gnome (i know the name says gnome, but gnome isn't required ... it just uses some gnome libraries) [21:36] okay, ill do that brb [21:36] o btw does apt-get work with xubuntu? [21:36] Ark1_: do 'sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome' and then you will need to add 'nm-applet' to the auto started applications [21:36] yep [21:36] yes [21:37] Ark1_: nm-applet is the panel applet that comes with the network-manager-gnome package, and that will show you the surrounding wifi networks as well as handle the encryption negotiation for you [21:38] okay done [21:38] i see the applet [21:38] Ark1_: awesome, now you just be able to click on the applet and go from there [21:39] Ark1_: if you see the applet already without adding it to auto start then you probably don't need to add it to auto-start, the packager of the application probably set it to modify that setting on install [21:39] what is the diff between a shared or open key? [21:40] err open system and shared key [21:40] an 'open system' has no encryption [21:40] open system doesn't have en.... nvm [21:42] okay testing it [21:42] didnt work [21:43] it just closed and reverted to my wired connection [21:43] really? [21:43] strange [21:43] ya [21:43] disconnect your wire [21:43] hold then ill have to reconnect here [21:43] I believe network-manager will prefer an ethernet conection if it is available [21:44] okay [21:44] ill test it now [21:50] it failed [21:50] could not connect [21:51] with the network cable disconnected did you try clicking on the icon in the tray? [21:52] yes [21:52] have you done anything on your access point to hide things? [21:52] i entered all the info it asked for [21:52] the network never shows up when you are roaming for it [21:52] if it detects your network properly you shouldn't have to enter anything other then the key [21:52] you always have to know the essid before it will even show up for some reason [21:53] if you have blocked SSID broadcasting on your access point then you are just making your life difficult [21:53] there should be a checkbox somewhere to broadcast the ssid [21:53] i no but i have no idea how to change it and its worked so far for kubunu [21:53] where [21:54] You would probably have to check the docs for the access point... [21:55] is there anyway to do it without doing all that [21:56] probably, I don't know how [21:56] I usually take the time to make the access point broadcast because it also makes your connection more reliable === notMax is now known as maxamillion [22:06] hi at all... [22:06] hello [22:07] i have a pc with celeron 1133mhz ad 400mb ram... i have installed xubuntu from live cd and it is damn slow... [22:07] SKS: really? [22:07] from top my cpu is used 4.32 [22:07] SKS: i've run it on much less hardware than that and its awesome [22:08] SKS: what about it is slow/ [22:08] ?* [22:08] it is more than ubuntu or kubuntu... my cpu is always over 3.00 [22:09] : from top [22:09] SKS: that doesn't tell me anything [22:09] SKS: what is slow? is it an application? is your mouse laggy? etc... [22:10] it uses about 70% for xorg... [22:10] SKS: yeah, you probably have the wrong driver in xorg [22:10] SKS: what graphics card do you have? [22:10] i have a intel built in chip (notebook) and i have installed the driver fron intallation cd... [22:11] this pc is used only as router and emule... [22:12] and i'm not interested in graphic performance... [22:12] why install a gui at all? [22:13] and why use a livecd for a router? don't you want something a bit more permanent? [22:13] i ahve to use emule from wine... (windows version find more resources.. i have tried amuled for 2 month) [22:13] no, xubuntu is installed on the hard disk from live cd... [22:14] ah, my mistake [22:14] it is strange... ubuntu is faster, but create problem on the ram (400mb is to small and paging a lot) [22:15] xubuntu is good for ram, but cpu is always at 300% [22:15] there is a way to make xorg more light? [22:16] yeah, get rid of the windows manager all together and [22:16] but xorg by itself shouldn't be taking up 70% of the cpu... [22:17] I have seen other people mention a few bugs related to intel and xorg memory leaks though [22:17] i see it from "top"... [22:17] have you tried with a vesa driver [22:17] is the most cpu using process... [22:17] how i can change it? [22:18] change to vesa driver (i mean) [22:18] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [22:18] put an sudo in there if you aren't at a root shell by the way [22:20] ok i'm tring [22:37] : i have to restart to make modifications active? [22:38] yes [22:39] there is a way for restart only xorg? [22:39] not the pc... [22:39] just log out and then press ctrl-alt-backspace [22:41] ok thanks i try... [23:44] I have a older computer which has trouble loading all the livecd's I've tried. Should I download the xubuntu livecd to try or will it probably just work if I install it off the alternate cd. (there is 140mbs of ram) [23:45] hello fellow 'nix-ers. I am looking for a colorful init script for ubuntu, but haven't found very good information in google yet. I want the old kind that knoppix and mandrake used instead of a bootsplash screen [23:45] the install should complete from the alternatecd... 140 is on the lean side though if you want to actually use stuff [23:46] is there a better distro for 140mbs? [23:47] well it is less about 'distro' and more about which windows manager and applicationss you install [23:47] xubuntu on my 128mb computer is pretty sluggish [23:49] crazy_bus: there is a section on the wiki about installing a gui on low memory systems... I believe the suggest some of the lower-footprint window managers [23:49] runs pretty good on this one (same ram) [23:49] i use openbox when i run google earth or celestia [23:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems [23:52] thanks everyone. I'll probably try fluxbuntu and see if that works