[00:38] <oxtub> exit
[12:01] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: ping
[12:03] <stgraber> RichEd: Is it an early or a late meeting today ?
[12:03] <RichEd> early ... looking for ogra_cmpc now
[12:03] <RichEd> i have a manic day :(
[12:04] <RichEd> anyone else here for the education meeting ???
[12:06]  * gvy leaves for #ltsp
[12:09] <stgraber> RichEd: looks like we'll be the usual 3, maybe 2 if ogra doesn't show up :)
[12:10] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc is in #canonical ... he should pop across now
[12:15]  * ogra_cmpcng waves
[12:50] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: are you there?
[12:51] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpcng: does it look anything like this? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/intels-netbook-revealed-as-the-2go-pc/
[12:54] <ogra_cmpcng> highvoltage, i'm not registered, no PM for me
[12:59] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpcng: ah, of course
[12:59] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpcng: I guess the ng would look something similar to this? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/intels-netbook-revealed-as-the-2go-pc/
[13:00] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpcng: when I first saw that, I thought it looked very cmpc'y :)
[13:00] <ogra_cmpcng> well, i waont say anything :)
[13:00] <ogra_cmpcng> *wont
[13:11] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpcng: ok :)
[13:11] <ogra_cmpcng> but the cmpcng here looks very cmpc'y ;)
[13:12] <ogra_cmpcng> bah, the touchpad isnt great ... way to sensitive and the buttons somehow get you to tap while clicking
[13:12] <ogra_cmpcng> not very ergonomic
[15:18] <RichEd> stgraber / ogra_cmpc : intel just asked for some guidance iTalc
[15:19] <RichEd> if either of you have a chance could you pop a mail reply to them ?
[15:19] <RichEd> thanks
[15:21] <stgraber> RichEd: AFAIK italc-client should currently be installed on the classmates, though italc-master (the teacher interface) isn't
[15:22] <stgraber> it was planned to have italc-master running on a non-classmate machine
[15:22] <RichEd> is it possible to let them know what is needed on the teacher desktop & how to connect them ?
[15:23] <RichEd> no need for a full explanation ... pointing to the page in the iTacl doc manual is fine
[15:23] <dtrask> as an italc user....italc master is a bit more intensive and the cmpc would probably have a hard time running it
[15:23] <RichEd> with perhaps a comment on what is different about our implementation
[15:23] <RichEd> and then point them to dtrask for free user support ;)
[15:23] <RichEd> hi dtrask
[15:23] <RichEd> ^ joke
[15:24] <dtrask> LOL
[15:24] <dtrask> :-)
[15:26] <dtrask> I agree with stgraber though....when trying to look at and demo all those screens I think the cmpc would choke on its own vomit ;-)
[15:27] <stgraber> RichEd: http://paste.stgraber.org/1987
[15:27] <stgraber> dtrask: did you try 1.0.7 from Hardy ?
[15:27] <dtrask> not yet
[15:27] <stgraber> dtrask: we did quite a bit of optimization for low-resolution screen (resizing the image from the teacher, using MMX, ...)
[15:29] <stgraber> RichEd: the "add classroom and computer" part will be automated with my avahi scripts, but that won't be in Hardy and I'm still thinking of an easy way to solve the "copy keys from teacher computer" part
[15:30] <RichEd> thanks ... i am multi tasking ... on a conference call, adding moodle users, sending emails ... and trying to get out of here to an appointment in 20 mins
[15:31] <RichEd> if you could pop me some info via email i could forward on that would make my day
[15:31]  * RichEd asks nicely
[15:31] <stgraber> I have 30min before the QA meeting, so I have time to answer your mail :)
[15:33] <dtrask> stgraber: very cool....I look forward to trying it out
[15:35] <dtrask> stgraber: hey for the keys part...take a look at an old project called "fanout" http://www.stearns.org/fanout   I've used this to do a lot of stuff with my own network here at school....looks relatively simple and there may be parts you can rip out and use....just FYI
[15:37]  * dtrask is away: Lunch time...leave a msg
[15:46] <LaserJock> hmm, did a meeting already take place today?
[15:48] <stgraber> RichEd: mail answered
[15:48] <stgraber> LaserJock: yep, it was an early one
[15:48] <RichEd> thanks
[15:48] <RichEd> stgraber: thanks
[15:48] <LaserJock> darn, missed it
[15:49] <LaserJock> I'm -----| |------ close to having edubuntu-docs uploaded
[15:49] <LaserJock> just had to do some sed "fixing" of translations
[15:50]  * RichEd measure the -|   |- with his micrometer
[15:51] <RichEd> ahhh ... about 10 mins is that ?
[15:51] <LaserJock> well, you need the right conversion factor to get it into time
[15:51] <LaserJock> but something like that
[15:55]  * ogra_cmpc cries ...
[15:55] <ogra_cmpc> my build server just imploded
[15:56] <LaserJock> uh oh
[15:59]  * ogra_cmpc starts another try to get todays classmate image building
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> funnily it only fails after 3-4h of work ...
[16:00] <ogra_cmpc> well, rather not funny
[16:25]  * dtrask-away is away: I'm back!
[16:25]  * dtrask-away is back.
[16:25] <dtrask> I'm back!
[16:25] <laga> wow
[16:25] <laga> *four* lines to tell people that you're back
[16:25] <stgraber> ouch, four lines to say you're back .)
[16:25] <ogra_cmpc> we couldnt ignore that :)
[16:25] <stgraber> bah, laga was fater
[16:25] <stgraber> s/fater/faster/
[16:26] <laga> stgraber: dude, my BMI is below 25 so you have no right to say that
[16:26] <stgraber> :)
[16:32] <LaserJock> hi dtrask
[16:33] <dtrask> LaserJock: hi!
[16:34] <dtrask> i screwed up....typed away instead of back
[16:34] <dtrask> doh!
[16:36] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: did you see I managed to get a little work done yesterday :-)
[16:41]  * ogra_cmpc hugs LaserJock madly
[16:41] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i saw that
[16:46] <LaserJock> and edubuntu-docs is off!!!
[16:46] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I am a little confused about why formats like MP3 are called restricted formats. Would someone please explain it to me in simple words? I have searched at google but did not find something that explains this.
[16:47] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: it means in that in some countries (like the US and Japan) those formats are patented and so they can not be freely used without paying the patent holder, or something along those lines
[16:49] <Muhammad_Saad> you mean that in those countries I cannot even record a sound in MP3 format without paying the patent holders?
[16:49] <LaserJock> basically yes
[16:50] <Muhammad_Saad> that is weird.
[16:50] <LaserJock> yes, but that's the way it works
[16:51] <LaserJock> many countries don't allow software patents and so it's not an issue for them, as I understand it
[16:51] <Muhammad_Saad> so that is why I did not know much about that. :)
[16:52] <LaserJock> Ubuntu would prefer to use completely free (both in prices and in license) formats because of things like that
[16:52] <Muhammad_Saad> So if I send an audio file to someone who lives in a country which allows software patents, I am doing something illegal?
[16:53] <LaserJock> no
[16:53] <LaserJock> but they may not be able to legally play it
[16:54] <Muhammad_Saad> so it does not affect me?
[16:55] <LaserJock> as far as sending files?
[16:55] <Muhammad_Saad> what about receiving?
[16:55] <LaserJock> it depends on the country
[16:55] <Muhammad_Saad> ok
[16:56] <LaserJock> and I don't know enough about it to know which countries it's ok in
[16:56] <LaserJock> the US and Japan are the big ones I think that *do* have software patents
[16:56] <Muhammad_Saad> if someone does not pay those companies, how do they know it?
[16:57] <LaserJock> they don't :-)
[16:58] <Muhammad_Saad> so one will only pay if that person's conscience is alive and awake. :)
[16:58] <Muhammad_Saad> am I right?
[16:58] <LaserJock> basically yes
[16:58] <Muhammad_Saad> does it only affect software companies or end users too?
[16:59] <Muhammad_Saad> I mean who really have to pay?
[16:59] <LaserJock> end users
[16:59] <Muhammad_Saad> according to the law?
[16:59] <LaserJock> unless companies pay for the end users
[16:59] <Muhammad_Saad> and big companies?
[16:59] <LaserJock> that's how Microsoft, etc. do it
[16:59] <Muhammad_Saad> ok
[16:59] <LaserJock> it's something like $100,000 USD
[17:00] <LaserJock> for companies
[17:00] <Muhammad_Saad> so if someone installs VLC media player in US, he is doing something illegal?
[17:01] <LaserJock> depending on the codecs installed they could be yes
[17:01] <Muhammad_Saad> ok
[17:01] <dtrask> Apple is an example of a company who pays for the end users...the bundle MP3 capability in itunes
[17:01] <dtrask> all that and he just left?
[17:01] <dtrask> hmmm
[17:02] <dtrask> does he work for the RIAA
[17:02] <drue> cheers - is there any content filtering built into edubuntu?  (sorry if it's an FAQ, i've been looking..)
[17:02] <LaserJock> not by default no
[17:03] <drue> LaserJock: any brief tutorial available?  or just go dansguardian + iptables?
[17:03] <dtrask> # apt-get install dansguardian
[17:03] <drue> excellent.. thanks!
[17:03] <ogra_cmpc> either that or take a look at willowng
[17:03] <LaserJock> dansguardian is probably the way to go at the moment
[17:03] <ogra_cmpc> if you want something lighter that doesnt need a full server
[17:04] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: Amaranth told me that it's not in working shape
[17:04] <dtrask> drue: what are you trying to do....filter one machine or a whole network?
[17:04] <ogra_cmpc> the bayesian learning doesnt
[17:04] <LaserJock> wish we could get it fixed up
[17:04] <ogra_cmpc> but black/whitelisting does
[17:04] <LaserJock> would be great if we had SoC
[17:04] <drue> dtrask: just a desktop locally, yup
[17:04] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: ah, and can it be easily defeated like before?
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, finishing a SoC project with another SoC project ? :)
[17:05] <LaserJock> i.e. just change the proxy setting
[17:05] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: isn't that what SoC is about? perpetual projects ;-)
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> you can set up an iptable rule that redirects all traffic towards port 80 to willow
[17:05] <dtrask> another one is squidguard which is simply a URL filter   #apt-get install squidguard
[17:05] <ogra_cmpc> thats actually something i wanted to add to the postinst
[17:06] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: we should write a little HowTo and stick it on edubuntu.org
[17:06] <LaserJock> Filtering Solutions or something
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:06] <drue> ogra_cmpc: that's what i had in mind, yeah.  local iptables redirect through a dansguardian proxy
[17:06] <LaserJock> it's a fairly common question and if we can at least point people in the right direction it'd help
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> and advertise willow to attract someone to finish the missing bits :)
[17:06] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: agreed, it really is a nice app to work with
[17:06] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:07] <dtrask> what makes wilow better than DG?
[17:07] <dtrask> willow
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> and i'm not gfond of running a heaviweight like squid for just doing some url filtering
[17:07] <dtrask> good point
[17:07] <LaserJock> dtrask: have you ever tried willow?
[17:07] <ogra_cmpc> dtrask, have a look at willow
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> every teacher can understand it within minutes
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> it has a nice gui to cinfigure it etc
[17:08] <dtrask> no I haven't....that's why I'm asking....I use DG here for the school network
[17:08] <ogra_cmpc> its just not complete
[17:08] <LaserJock> if the Bayesian filter was working it'd be the killer filtering app
[17:08] <dtrask> running on SME server and another on IPCop
[17:08] <dtrask> LaserJock: yes it sounds like it would
[17:08] <LaserJock> dtrask: with willowng you just install it and basically say "start filtering"
[17:09] <LaserJock> it's all GUI
[17:09] <dtrask> do they have a web site other than just the Launchpad page?
[17:09] <ogra_cmpc> its integrated in the gnome desktop
[17:09] <dtrask> screenshots?
[17:09] <ogra_cmpc> they ?
[17:09] <dtrask> ool
[17:09] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[17:09] <dtrask> cool
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> thats actually us :)
[17:10] <dtrask> oh...I didn't realize it was you....cool...so any screenshots anywhere?
[17:10]  * dtrask is intrigued
[17:10] <LaserJock> dtrask: just install the darn thing ;-)
[17:10] <ogra_cmpc> i dug it up as "willow" and specced something based on this ... Amaranth then took that spec for a SoC
[17:11] <dtrask> LaserJock: is it ready for hardy?  I have a hardy install in Virtualbox
[17:11] <dtrask> what I mean by ready is "installable"
[17:12] <dtrask> #apt-get install willowng?
[17:12] <LaserJock> dtrask: let me see, I just installed it here
[17:12] <LaserJock> do willowng-config-gnome
[17:13] <LaserJock> there's also a KDE frontend
[17:13] <dtrask> after installing?
[17:13] <ogra_cmpc> sudo apt-get install willowng-config-gnome
[17:13] <dtrask> got it
[17:13] <ogra_cmpc> just copy paste
[17:13] <LaserJock> it seems to crash here
[17:14] <LaserJock> since it was written during dapper I think it's not a big surprise :-)
[17:14] <ogra_cmpc> yeah :(
[17:14] <ogra_cmpc> so much dead code in the archive
[17:14] <LaserJock> ah
[17:15] <LaserJock> it seems dbus has changed since it was made
[17:15] <ogra_cmpc> thats likely
[17:15] <LaserJock> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files
[17:17] <LaserJock> anyway
[17:18] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I've uploaded squeak and friends, edubuntu-menus (thought I had already fixed that), and edubuntu-docs
[17:18] <ogra_cmpc> right, nothing to fix for hardy
[17:18] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, oyu rock
[17:18] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: do you have any time to look into a gcompris FFe?
[17:18] <ogra_cmpc> its so sad you wont come to prague
[17:18] <LaserJock> yes it is :(
[17:19] <ogra_cmpc> assign it to me  aned milestone it if its important enough, then slangasek will hunt me down until its done
[17:19] <LaserJock> bdoin says there are some important crasher bugs fixed
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> i didnt see any crashers during my classmate tests yet
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> and i tested it a lot
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> tuxpaint is da evil
[17:20] <LaserJock> in the mosaic activity if you click on grey target button it crashes
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> i still havent found out why it locks the cmpc if that thing doesnt run at full CPU speed
[17:21] <LaserJock> "Fixed many potential crash of GCompris in the key_press activity callback."
[17:22] <LaserJock> what I can do is file a wishlist bug with the changelog entry, etc.
[17:22] <dtrask> One issue I have with Tuxpaint in Gcompris in  the version I'm using (on Feisty) is that it launches in full screen which my monitors don't like at that resolution.  I have config'd all my menu items and launchers to fire up Tuxpaint in windowed mode
[17:22] <ogra_cmpc> yeah i will have to reproduce that
[17:22] <LaserJock> but I think I must be done with Edubuntu for Hardy
[17:22] <ogra_cmpc> it defaults to windowed in hardy
[17:22] <dtrask> cool
[17:22] <LaserJock> my dissertation has really fallen behind in the last couple weeks
[17:23] <ogra_cmpc> which is merely annoying on the classmate
[17:23] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, take off then ... do your paperwork
[17:23] <LaserJock> stupid school :-)
[17:24] <LaserJock> I should have figured out how to get a PhD out of working on Edubuntu
[17:24]  * dtrask is fondly remembering the lyrics to Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall"
[17:25]  * ogra_cmpc needs to do some errands ... bbl
[17:26]  * dtrask is away: One of my users is exclaiming "I can't do email!"
[17:41] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: btw, right after you left dtrask said:
[17:41] <LaserJock> Apple is an example of a company who pays for the end users...the bundle MP3 capability in itunes
[17:42] <Muhammad_Saad> Thanks.
[17:43] <laga> i think fluendo gives out a lib for mp3 playback for free.
[17:45] <Muhammad_Saad> who is fluendo?
[17:45] <stgraber> Muhammad_Saad: a company working on gstreamer and a streaming application
[17:46] <Muhammad_Saad> how do they manage to provide a lib for free?
[17:57] <Muhammad_Saad> I found something that is a little relevant to our discussion: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/hello_world_patent.html :-D
[18:34] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: well, actually I just decided to merge gcompris and file a FFe and see if it flys
[18:35] <ogra_cmpc> subscribe me to it
[18:36] <LaserJock> doko did a lot of patching in the source tree which was fun :/
[18:37] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: the new version does fix one LP bug though, and probably saves us some more
[18:39] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: bdoin and at least one other person I think are working more on OLPC support for gcompris
[18:39] <LaserJock> I think some of that may help the OLPC
[18:40] <LaserJock> s/OLPC/CMPC/
[18:41] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[18:41] <ogra_cmpc> yay freud
[18:42] <LaserJock> they are working on a skin that will work better on smaller screens I think
[18:47] <ogra_cmpc> wide would be good
[18:47] <ogra_cmpc> small is fine already
[18:48] <ogra_cmpc> i find it quite good as it is in fullscreen on the classmate ... would just be cool to not have the black bars on the sides
[18:56] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[18:56] <LaserJock> I noticed on my widescreen laptop it does some funky stuff when I open it in fullscreen
[18:59] <LaserJock> the only thing I dislike about working with gcompris is the size of the .orig.tar.gz
[19:00] <LaserJock> still waiting on the current ubuntu package to download so I can do a diffstat
[19:20]  * LaserJock hugs highvoltage 
[19:20] <LaserJock> in a purely platonic way
[19:20]  * highvoltage is ok with any kind of hug on IRC
[19:21] <highvoltage> (as long as it stays on IRC)
[19:21] <ogra_cmpc> what happens on IRC stays on IRC
[19:21] <LaserJock> we hope
[19:21] <ogra_cmpc> (and in the logs ... on google etc etc)
[19:23] <LaserJock> alright, gotta run
[19:23] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I'll sub you to the FFe request when I'm done
[19:23] <LaserJock> just gotta put the paperwork together ;-)
[19:23] <ogra_cmpc> thanks :)
[21:12] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: ok, I got the bug done and you sub'd, just need to wait for Ubuntu Release
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> i womnder if i should hide the admin menuitem on cmpc
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> its actually quite pointless for a student
[21:17] <LaserJock> good point