[00:01] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: this has been bothering me for like 2 hours: why doesn't this work? if I manually specify a signal and slot it works (but it gets called twice)
[00:01] <nosrednaekim>     @pyqtSignature("")
[00:01] <nosrednaekim>     def on_cbPrintMode_activated(self,text):
[00:03] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: try   @pyqtSignature("QString text")  ?
[00:05] <nosrednaekim> nothing.... I'm not familiar with these @ functions., and I can't seem to be able to find any documentation on them <_<
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> ah.... fixed it @pyqtSignature("int"),
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> looks like the signal returning the text isn't the one being called.
[00:09] <nosrednaekim> thanks for the hint :)
[00:10]  * Riddell not familiar with them either
[00:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Thank you VERY much for taking touched it last back on kdebase.
[00:52] <blueyed> Riddell: well, the bugfix for kdebase was not really worth an upload on its own IMHO, but thanks for fixing it.. :)
[00:52] <Riddell> blueyed: no pointing waiting either
[00:53] <blueyed> Riddell: well.. I don't like getting a whole lot of new binary packages because of such changes..
[00:54] <Riddell> then you shouldn't ask for changes :)
[00:54] <blueyed> That's no option :)
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: don't you ever sleep ;P ... BTW, system-config-printer-kde should be good for a package update right now.
[00:58] <jjesse> i read it on blog that he never sleeps
[00:58] <jjesse> so it has to be true
[00:59]  * nosrednaekim read the same blog :)
[01:03] <seele> he sleeps with his laptop.  anything after midnight is an automatic response system
[01:05] <jjesse> lol
[01:05] <seele> you know how people sleep with books under their pillow to try and absorb knowledge?  Riddell sleeps with his laptop under his pillow so he can sync his brain every night
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> I know people listen to their prof's lectures while they are sleeping
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> seems to help them
[01:08] <seele> see?  it works for them.  how else could Riddell be our omniscient leader?
[01:08] <seele> ..or he just works 60 hour weeks and really doesn't sleep.
[01:16] <jjesse> i thought Riddell cloned himself
[01:26] <seele> wow if that's true, where's my copy? there needs to be a Riddel-EST/EDT for us americans
[01:26] <jjesse> additioanl plasmoids are inthe extragears package right?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: should be
[01:26] <jjesse> whats' the exact name of that package?
[01:27] <stdin> extragear-plasma
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> seele: thank you! I thought I was the only one who knew that there was a difference between EDT and EST!
[01:27] <jjesse> hey i understand the different :)
[02:35] <jjesse> yay i can now lock my screen
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: in kde4?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> how did you manage that?
[02:38] <stdin> you need kdm-kde4 installed to lock the session
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ah!
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> I'll try that later.... by guys
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[06:21] <Serega> morning all
[06:22] <nixternal> 01:22, yup it sure is mornin' :p
[06:22] <nixternal> good morning Serega
[06:22] <Serega> :)
[07:06]  * apachelogger gives nixternal a cookie
[07:07] <nixternal> for what?
[07:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: being around at this time :)
[07:08] <nixternal> ahh, it is only 02:08 :)
[07:09] <apachelogger> considering today is wednesday that is fairly late IMO :P
[07:11] <nixternal> I am a luser, so I have nothing else better to do
[07:53] <jussi01> Riddell: Can I get clarifiaction of the correctness of the !khardy factoid please.
[07:53] <jussi01> !khardy
[07:53] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported.
[08:02] <jussi01> Riddell: as https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu says somewhat differently.
[10:23] <Riddell> jussi01: KDE 3 on shipit now
[10:35] <smarter> I've done some changes to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk if anyone is interested ;)
[10:37] <Riddell> smarter: anything that needs an upload?
[10:38] <smarter> Riddell: it's mostly packaging change, but feel free to upload it, it works
[11:13] <allee> Riddell: alls builds say (done) for libkdcraw.  So one can sync from sid now: digikam (0.9.3-2), gwenview (1.4.2-4), kphotoalbum (3.1.1-1) and kipi-plugins (0.1.5-1)
[11:14] <Riddell> allee: I don't think they're all in the archive
[11:17] <allee> hmm, all are accepted. Ah, pkgs page shows only:  gwenview 1.4.2-4 as latest version http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gwenview.html.   So we have to wait for next britney(?) run
[11:17] <\sh> Riddell: what are we doing about the missing icons in the K menu for the menu subfolders under applications tree?
[11:17] <jussi01> !khardy is <reply> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[11:17] <ubotu> But khardy already means something else!
[11:17] <jussi01> Riddell: are you happy with that?
[11:19] <Riddell> allee: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libk/libkdcraw/ no amd64
[11:20] <Riddell> jussi01: looks good
[11:20] <jussi01> !no, khardy is <reply> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[11:20] <ubotu> I'll remember that jussi01
[11:20] <jussi01> Riddell: :)
[11:29] <Riddell> \sh: I see no missing icons
[11:33] <\sh> Riddell: yesterday I installed kde4 and there were no icons in the applications folder
[11:34] <\sh> Riddell: only the "?" icons
[11:35] <\sh> no kde3 installed that is
[11:43] <Riddell> \sh: example?
[11:44] <\sh> Riddell: I can create a screenshot...give a few mins to do that...
[11:55] <\sh> Riddell: http://www.sourcecode.de/content/kde4-without-icons-kmenu-applications
[11:55] <seele> does adept remind you to reboot your computer when you install somethign that requires a reboot such as a new kernel?
[11:56] <txwikinger> Is system-printer-config ours or KDEs?
[11:57] <Riddell> seele: yes
[11:59] <\sh> Riddell: and another flaw...I set the panel to tiny or small and the kmenu icons and all taskbar stuff is really not fitting in it...looks like it's not scaling correctly
[12:00] <Riddell> \sh: upstream
[12:00] <Riddell> \sh: dunno what you've done to your icons there
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: just installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop :)
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: the same is on my other desktop at home (installed kde3 + kde4)
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: but this desktop is a virgin regarding kde4 :)
[12:04] <\sh> Riddell: but as I said...only the menu folder icons are missing...all applications inside those menu folders have icons :)
[12:06] <seele> Riddell: has it always done that or just recently?
[12:06] <Riddell> seele: done which?
[12:06] <seele> remind you to reboot your computer
[12:06] <Riddell> txwikinger: not always, since gutsy I think
[12:07] <Riddell> txwikinger: ours with the applet going into KDE
[12:07] <\sh> oh wow
[12:07] <\sh> and now crashed
[12:07] <Riddell> seele: not always, since gutsy I think
[12:07] <txwikinger> Riddell: which one would you find in system menu in KDE4 at the moment?
[12:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: system-printer-config-kde
[12:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: There is no special KDE4 version?
[12:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: no, it's a qt 4 app
[12:10] <txwikinger> thanks Riddell
[12:11] <seaLne> apachelogger: thanks for the kdegraphics-kde4 fix all fine now
[12:13] <Riddell> seaLne: were you and jpatrick trying the encrypted drive stuff?
[12:14] <seaLne> it works unless the encrypted device is a raw device rather than a partition i'm looking into it i think i know where its going wrong, the use of raw devices is probably less common than partitions but worth fixing
[12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: do you know if that's changed from past releases? (or did it work at all in the past?)
[12:18] <seaLne> didn't work in gutsy+3.5.9 the auto stuff wasn't available before 359 was it?
[12:22] <seaLne> well the patch wasn't added anyway afaik
[12:23] <Riddell> no, so we havn't lost anything at least
[13:12] <CheGuevara> ping apachelogger
[13:25] <dvoid> hello
[13:26] <dvoid> am i the only one having problems with the "disk & partition" thing in kubuntu, seems like 8.04 beta has the exact same problem as 7.10
[13:26] <dvoid> filesystems is shown on the same line
[13:26] <dvoid> its really anoying
[13:26] <dvoid> if a add a say NFS filesystem it will be shown at the same line as my dvd burner
[13:43] <Riddell> dvoid: yes, it has bitrotted somewhat
[13:43] <Riddell> nobody is working on it currently I'm afraid
[13:43] <Riddell> monthly team report due! any volunteers?
[13:45] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: pong
[13:46] <ScottK2> Sorry, to busy fixing bugs to write reports ....
[13:46] <ScottK2> ;-)
[13:48] <ScottK2> awen_: See dvoid's comments about the disk management situation (IIRC that's also Guidance) ^^^^
[13:48] <Hobbsee> must be another kubuntu meeting at some point, too
[13:48]  * Hobbsee should step down from the council during it
[13:49] <Riddell> don't love us any more?
[13:50] <awen_> ScottK2: sounds like something I've seen somewhere in the guidance source...
[13:50] <awen_> dvoid: do you have a bug report about it?
[13:51] <ScottK2> dvoid: ^^^ Here's your chance to get it fixed.
[13:51]  * Serega dreams about membership :)
[13:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not using the distro anymore.  can't really justify being on the council
[13:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course i love you guys, though.  you're a good bunch.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: means my ideas about how kubuntu should go are always somewhat obsolete.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> i'll try 4.1, obviously, but...
[13:56]  * Hobbsee --> bed
[14:02] <Riddell> Serega: you're not a member?  we should fix that
[14:02] <Serega> Riddell: wow, really?
[14:03]  * Serega is stunt
[14:03] <Riddell> Serega: write yourself a wiki page, next meeting Saturday 5th 11:00UTC
[14:04] <Serega> Riddell: cool, Saturday is my birthday :) lol
[14:05] <Riddell> Serega: now you've done kaffeine installer, if you're looking for exciting related developments, gdebi-kde could do with having its konsole widget replaces with a text edit same as the dist upgrade tool had
[14:06] <Serega> Riddell: no problem :)
[14:06] <apachelogger> LP needs a birthday (notification) feature IMO
[14:07] <Serega> Riddell: another thing about gdebi - why does it wait for pressing "Close" button event with -n (automatic mode) key? I would like to fix this too
[14:08] <Riddell> Serega: that's just how mhb programmed it, I'm fine with changing it
[14:08] <Serega> superior
[14:09] <Serega> Riddell: is the own wiki page mandatory for member candidates? can I just specify N/A in that field?
[14:09] <Riddell> Serega: yes it's needed
[14:10] <Riddell> just some bullet points about what you've done and what you're interested in
[14:10] <stdin> Serega: just put a bit about you and what you do
[14:10] <Serega> ok
[14:13] <Riddell> Serega: see 849, 850 and 851 for what should happen to gdebi-kde http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/changes/michael.vogt%40ubuntu.com-20080314140616-nov93vpgwrcezwvv?start_revid=michael.vogt%40ubuntu.com-20080322214955-r11kxlk8z1m6ehyn
[14:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there some magic trick to generate a somewhat usable list of copyrights/licenses for KDE modules' copyright files?
[14:17]  * Serega sees a tendention to reduce KDE-dependencies in pyqt utilities
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: I tend to grep for KAboutData
[14:18] <apachelogger> k, thanks
[14:19] <Riddell> Serega: that embedded konsole widget is pretty broken, it uses large amounts of memory
[14:40] <allee> Riddell: apt-get source in sid chroot downloads the versions to sync for: digikam kipi-plugins gwenview kphotoalbum
[14:41] <allee> digikam_0.9.3-2.dsc gwenview_1.4.2-4.dsc kipi-plugins_0.1.5-1.dsc kphotoalbum_3.1.1-1.dsc
[14:41] <Riddell> ok, let's do it
[14:46] <Riddell> flushed
[14:46] <Riddell> thanks allee
[14:47] <awen_> ScottK2: got to leave now... if dvoid get's back with a bug number I trust you to hold tight to it, or simply assign it to me
[14:47] <allee> Riddell: i've to thk you
[14:47] <dvoid> huma
[14:47] <dvoid> ^_^
[14:47] <dvoid> awen_, no bug report
[14:48] <dvoid> dont even know where to report it
[14:48]  * dvoid dont do much of bug reporting, 
[14:48]  * dvoid mostly complains ;)
[14:49] <awen_> dvoid: then it's time to learn that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login :)
[14:50] <dvoid> ^_^
[14:52] <awen_> dvoid: remember to include what versions you use, how to reproduce it and maybe a screenshot... just catch me or ScottK2 here with a bug number
[14:54] <dvoid> does the "disk & filesystem" thing have another name?
[14:54] <Riddell> kde-guidance package
[14:54] <awen_> package: kde-guidance
[14:55]  * awen_ really has to leave now... see you all
[14:57] <apachelogger> hm
[14:57] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099/
[14:58] <apachelogger> I think it is time to write a get-me-a-list-of-copyrights script
[15:04] <dvoid> ScottK2, bug number 207145
[15:05] <ScottK2> dvoid: Hoperfully awen comes back.  He's the one that thought he might look into it.
[15:05] <dvoid> k
[15:05] <ScottK2> Hoperfully/Hopefully
[15:05] <dvoid> maybe i shuld continue doing som bugreporting, found some bugs on my travels ^_^
[15:07] <ScottK> Yes
[15:15] <dvoid> the gdebi-kde memmory bug is wellknown ?
[15:15] <smarter> too well known :/
[15:16] <dvoid> ^_^  then i dont have to report that hehe
[15:17] <dvoid> i had some problems with the network manager , but cant put them into words
[15:17] <smarter> everybody had problem with it :p
[15:17] <dvoid> fedora had i think two good network managers
[15:18] <dvoid> strange kubuntu cant have one ;)
[15:18] <smarter> they use networkmanager too
[15:18] <smarter> and knetworkmanager
[15:18] <dvoid> yea possible. but it worked alot better
[15:19] <dvoid> been using fedora the last 3 years or so , finaly switched from my fedora 5 installation to kubuntu 7.10 like a week ago
[15:19] <smarter> I think they're using networkmanager 0.7 even if it's not release atm
[15:20] <dvoid> i think its kind of funny how many distributions kind of dont develop, they just keep reinventing old features
[15:21] <smarter> many thing are shared too
[15:22] <paule118> Nintendo 64 Kid Remix
[15:22] <smarter> dvoid: like networkmanager or system-config-printer
[15:23] <dvoid> smarter, yea thats what they shuld be. its ridiculus when every distribution creates its own configuration tool for X
[15:23] <dvoid> we just end up with 10 different applications that do the same thing, and non is very good at it :D
[15:25] <dvoid> where shuld i put feature requests?
[15:26] <ScottK2> Big features or small additions to existing packages?
[15:26] <dvoid> hum dont know, atm i was thinking about a better boot "gui"
[15:26] <dvoid> the current one ...just shows a progressbar...its bad
[15:28] <dvoid> the fedora boot gui at least gives you a mouse cursor, and the possibility to view the boot progress in a terminal window
[15:29] <ScottK> dvoid: I'd call that major.
[15:29] <dvoid> i guess
[15:29] <Riddell> it's also something which gets discussed a lot
[15:29] <Riddell> the current behaviour is largely intentional
[15:29]  * ScottK hands dvoid https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[15:30] <dvoid> something about "keep it simple" ?
[15:30] <dvoid> or what? i truly doubt adding the possibility to show the boot progress in detail hurts anyone
[15:32] <Riddell> you can, alt-f8
[15:32] <Riddell> or boot without a splash
[15:32] <dvoid> hum, but thats not the "boot gui" ;)
[15:32] <dvoid> so thats not my point
[15:33] <ScottK2> Maybe a config option for complicated boot.  Dunno.
[15:33] <dvoid> i think fedora use an X server for the boot splash
[15:34] <dvoid> ubuntu use usplash wichs uses framebuffer thing
[15:36] <dvoid> using X is a much cleaner aproach i think
[15:37] <Riddell> ug
[15:40]  * Serega believes X is too heavy for bootsplash :(
[15:41] <\sh> dvoid: they don't
[15:42] <dvoid> \sh, u sure?
[15:42] <\sh> dvoid: if they do, they invented something really cool...what they could use is qt-embedded + framebuffer kernel device
[15:44] <\sh> dvoid: ratioonal behind not to use X is the size of the initramfs / initrd you have to use to give a fullfledged X server
[15:44] <\sh> the boottime will increase into something which isn't good for linux
[15:44] <dvoid> yea i guess having X start early is the problem
[15:45] <\sh> what you use normally is a kernel framebuffer device and an widget set which runs without X (like qt-embedded or other stuff)
[15:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: apt-get install devscripts and use the licensecheck script, works great
[15:45] <nixternal> licensecheck --copyright *
[15:47] <dvoid> :( theres no vmware player .debs
[15:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: doesn't work all that well, especially for big modules grepping makes much more sense IMO
[15:59] <xRaich[o]2x> I've been thinking : wouldn't it be useful to have a qt4 package which is 686 optimized since a lot a graphics foo is happening there? There is already a i686 optimized libc.
[15:59] <apachelogger> dvoid: there was for gutsy, so there should be some for hardy
[16:00] <dvoid> \sh, http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:pp2QD7-KdTQJ:dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php%3F/archives/65-Wednesday-Why-rhgb-Graphical-Boot-Screen.html+rhgb+use+X+server&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera
[16:00] <dvoid> arg
[16:00] <dvoid> short one ;)
[16:00] <dvoid> "During most of the time that Fedora is booting, a graphical boot screen is displayed, showing the boot progress on a sliding indicator. Unlike some other Linux distributions, this display is managed by a full-blown X server."
[16:01] <Serega> omg
[16:01] <\sh> dvoid: bah...
[16:01] <dvoid> its called RHGB
[16:01] <\sh> dvoid: they did it :(
[16:01] <Serega> Red Hat Graphic Boot?
[16:01] <dvoid> i think there has been some requests for ubuntu to switch to it
[16:01] <Serega> :)
[16:01] <dvoid> Serega, yea
[16:02] <Serega> interesting to test bootup time of that fedora...
[16:02] <dvoid> starting the x server is harly notable
[16:02] <apachelogger> hm
[16:02] <dvoid> like 1sec or something
[16:02] <Serega> let's run kdm?! =)
[16:02] <apachelogger> a unified graphical boot thingy would be good IMO
[16:03] <dvoid> i think my old fedora 5 system booted faster then my current 7.10
[16:03] <dvoid> or at least as fast
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I create one libkross0 or 2 seperated packages for ruby and python?
[16:03] <\sh> dvoid: well, it would be a good idea to determine which Xserver they are using...and how it's working with cards like older ati cards ;)
[16:04] <dvoid> i think they are using some VGAish thing
[16:04] <dvoid> so it shuld work on just about everything
[16:05] <dvoid> it does not use your regular x setup at least
[16:05] <\sh> dvoid: that's for sure...
[16:05]  * \sh needs to install a fedora9 to his vmware 
[16:06] <dvoid> some things are nice in fedora, some things are nice in ubuntu/kubuntu
[16:06] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: [17:04:45] <thiemster> how do i add widgets?
[16:06] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: now you have my ok to remove the toolbox completely
[16:06] <dvoid> kubuntu is a better package for a kde user like me ;
[16:09] <apachelogger> so, who wants to decide on a release date for amarok 1.4.9?
[16:09] <\sh> apachelogger: you?
[16:10] <nixternal> apachelogger: licensecheck works fairly well for me...just have to manipulate it a bit with large packages
[16:10] <\sh> apachelogger: I did it in the past :)
[16:10] <\sh> apachelogger: http://www.sourcecode.de/node/125 :)
[16:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: as I pointed out various times today: computers should make thinking unnecessary :P
[16:11] <apachelogger> hm
[16:11] <apachelogger> \sh: what do you think is a good release day for 1.4.9 then? ;-)
[16:12] <dvoid> apachelogger, are you a amarok developer?
[16:13] <\sh> apachelogger: I don't know..in the past it was like that: new version came out, I tested it, and many people with me...some were seeing some memory leaks etc. so I decided against the update during the last day of breezy
[16:13] <apachelogger> no, just the manager dood
[16:13] <\sh> apachelogger: but we have the very same situation with wine now...0.9.59 comes on the 11th april, while hard freeze is on the 10th :)
[16:13] <dvoid> ok :P
[16:14] <\sh> apachelogger: oh you mean the release date of amarok in general...I would say then " now "
[16:14] <apachelogger> now isn't a good date because l10n would beat me to death
[16:15] <apachelogger> besides, I promised 1 or 2 week(s) string freeze for stable releases
[16:15] <\sh> apachelogger: so tomorrow ;)
[16:16] <apachelogger> hm
[16:16]  * apachelogger notes that \sh would be one awful release dood :P
[16:17] <\sh> apachelogger: harhar...good to know that I'm already a release dood ;)
[16:18] <\sh> just tell me what I need to do to tell recordmydesktop to capture sound from PA
[16:18] <\sh> or alsa
[16:18] <apachelogger> rtfm I guess
[16:18] <apachelogger> oh mon dieu, my calendar is exploding -.-
[16:18] <\sh> harhar
[16:18] <apachelogger> literally, so many notes
[16:19] <apachelogger> hm
[16:19] <apachelogger> technically
[16:20] <apachelogger> we could fix the remaining 3 bugs from the bug hunt and go in string freeze on monday
[16:21] <apachelogger> and pull 1.4.9 before finalfreeze
[16:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: separate i think
[16:22] <apachelogger> ok
[16:24] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: Would it be useful to offer an i686 optimized version of the qt4 lib?
[16:24] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: not terribly
[16:25] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: Dunno, maybe it could speed up Arthur a little bit. Ubuntu is already offering an optmized libc and optimized mesa.
[16:25] <nixternal> Riddell: doin' the team report, anything you think needs adding?
[16:25] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: It's just a thougt anyway.
[16:26] <Riddell> nixternal: beta beta!
[16:26] <nixternal> got it
[16:26] <nixternal> already
[16:27] <Serega> "string freeze"?
[16:27] <nixternal> Beta, kubuntu-docs ready for translations, hug days, KDE 4 k-d-s approved upstream...
[16:29] <nixternal> time to take my Python + LP skillz and write a few scripts for Kubuntu
[16:29] <allee> nixternal: ... gfx apps update (with merged changes back into debian) :)
[16:31] <nixternal> gfx?
[16:31] <nixternal> *gfx apps*
[16:31] <nixternal> rather
[16:31] <ScottK> nixternal: If you could make a python script that would give LP a proposed bug title and get back a list of possible dupes, that'd be really kewl.  It's the one bug chunk I'm missing to teach reportbug to talk to LP.
[16:32] <Riddell> ScottK: bughelper?
[16:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I took a look at it and it seemed like it'd take some severe bending to fit the need.  Maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
[16:33] <nixternal> was just going to say that, but I am somewhat of a bughelper dummy
[16:33] <nixternal> one of Chicago's biggest newbs knows bughelper by the back of his hand, and I actually send him after dups for me :)
[16:34] <nixternal> of all of the things to get someone into contributing, it was bughelper for him...weird dude, but hey, he is contributing :)
[16:35] <ScottK> All I really want is something like the dupe check LP gives you before filing a bug via the web form.
[16:35] <nixternal> Jucato: so I hear it is 'Manny Pacquiao' day there :)  Or should I say 'Datu Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao' day
[16:51] <nixternal> Kubuntu team report complete
[16:53] <jpatrick> why did I just read: Linux for Christmas?
[16:55] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[16:55] <nixternal> there was an Ubuntu Christmas edition in 2006 that was pretty nice actually
[17:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: kross is working now :D http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot92.png
[17:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: goodness, what's that?
[17:24] <apachelogger> superkaramba
[17:24] <apachelogger> only theme that does not work is liquidweather which doesn't render for some reason
[17:25] <nixternal> that is getting fixed and should be released shortly though
[17:25] <apachelogger> oh and one theme which access Qt3, which is an invald action
[17:25] <apachelogger> but besides that it works pretty good
[17:25] <apachelogger> nice
[17:25] <apachelogger> well, I'll polish the packaging and create a debdiff
[17:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: is that kross from trunk?
[17:27] <apachelogger> no, 4.0.2
[17:27] <nixternal> groovy
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: please revu my changes http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kdebindings-kde4/
[17:50]  * nixternal kicks konqi in the shins...when I click on a link in Yakuake you must open up that link, don't me click it twice
[17:59]  * nixternal wonders how Ana is listed in the copyright when this package was never merged according to the changelog
[18:01] <nixternal> needs a watch file
[18:04] <apachelogger> stdin: ^
[18:25] <Riddell> apachelogger, you're a genius
[18:28] <Riddell>  `Depends' field, invalid package name `#': must start with an alphanumeric
[18:28] <Riddell> well nearly :)
[18:33] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:33] <Riddell> /home/jr/src/kdebindings/kdebindings-kde4-4.0.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/qt/x_14.cpp: In member function ‘void x_QSslSocket::x_35(Smoke::StackItem*) const’:
[18:33] <Riddell> /home/jr/src/kdebindings/kdebindings-kde4-4.0.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/qt/x_14.cpp:4858: error: variable ‘QSslConfiguration xret’ has initialiser but incomplete type
[18:33] <Riddell> /home/jr/src/kdebindings/kdebindings-kde4-4.0.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/qt/x_14.cpp:4858: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘struct QSslConfiguration’
[18:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you fix the build-depends properly?
[18:34] <Riddell> I removed the lines with # at the start
[18:35] <apachelogger> oh
[18:35] <apachelogger> noes :D
[18:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: you should have read the comment ;-)
[18:35] <Riddell> "SMOKE doesn't build with: libqwt5-qt4-dev"?
[18:35] <Riddell> I don't have libqwt5-qt4-dev
[18:37] <apachelogger> oh
[18:37] <apachelogger> hm
[18:38] <Riddell> let me try a pbuilder
[18:38]  * apachelogger just had a nasty cpu usage bug in kwin -.-
[18:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have your qt 4.4 installed? ;-)
[18:38] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I do
[18:38] <Riddell> why, yes
[18:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: I uploaded a fixed control file
[18:49] <Riddell> pbuilder doing its thing now
[18:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: I see you got as confused about bug 132228 as I am
[18:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132228 in amarok "Amarok mixes up po-files (ku and ko)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132228
[18:49] <Riddell> I can't see any problem anywhere
[18:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: does amarok's upstream include translations from launchpad?
[18:52] <apachelogger> no
[18:52] <apachelogger> the problem is, I can't remove languages from the tarball
[18:52] <apachelogger> since the general policy for translations in extragear is that there is no policy
[18:53] <Riddell> amarok-1.4.8/po/ku/amarok.po says its from Rosetta
[18:53] <apachelogger> hm
[18:53] <apachelogger> maybe someone uploaded it there
[18:53] <Riddell> there's nothing in http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde3/ku/messages/extragear-multimedia/
[18:54] <Riddell> although I see there is http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/ku/messages/extragear-multimedia/amarok.po?revision=790431&view=markup
[18:54] <Riddell> which comes from Rosetta
[18:54] <apachelogger> yeah, it got removed now
[18:54] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:54] <apachelogger> my theory is:
[18:54] <apachelogger> someone from ko's ubuntu team wanted to "up-port" the translations but uploaded to the wrong translation
[18:55] <apachelogger> we rolled 1.4.8
[18:55] <apachelogger> it's l10n got imported in LP
[18:55] <apachelogger> and this resulted in the current mess
[18:55] <apachelogger> s/it's/its
[18:55] <Riddell> seems probably
[18:56] <Riddell> however it also seems to be fixed everywhere now as far as I can see
[18:56] <Riddell> so I can close the bug
[18:56] <_StefanS_> is it just me, or is archive.ubuntu.com kinda overloaded ? :)
[18:56] <_StefanS_> 114kb/s.. thats a new low record
[18:57] <apachelogger> it's like that since the weekend before beta for me
[18:58] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.. guess its already taking some serious fire :)
[19:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you do anything to change Qt to Qt4 in ruby?
[19:30] <apachelogger> nope
[19:31] <Riddell> seems like upstream changed it without updating the examples then
[19:31] <apachelogger> a ruby require on Qt will still use Qt 3 by default
[19:31] <apachelogger> since I didn't include Qt.rb in the .install
[19:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, they probably will not work due to this
[19:31] <apachelogger> I will have to do some testing if ruby will find the libs when I place them in /usr/lib/kde4
[19:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: is rbrcc packaged?
[19:35] <nixternal> Could not connect to host ktown.kde.org.
[19:35] <nixternal> Reason: 550 Denying login due to EXCESSIVE LOAD. Please try again later..
[19:35] <nixternal> come on people, stop excessifying the load already, I have watch files to make here :p
[19:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope, thanks
[19:37]  * apachelogger is wondering why list-missing doesn't kick in
[19:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: korundum doesn't seem to work
[19:40] <apachelogger> hm, it might be the defaulting to Qt3
[19:40]  * apachelogger investigates
[19:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have a patch to disable moodin cache...
[19:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12905793/disable_cache.diff
[19:43] <jpatrick> too late for hardy?
[19:44] <smarter> jpatrick: why the cache should be disabled?
[19:44] <jpatrick> bug #129126
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129126 in ksplash-engine-moodin "moodin caches themes in user directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129126
[19:46] <ScottK2> jpatrick: I don't think it's to late.
[19:46] <smarter> jpatrick: ooohhh
[19:46] <ScottK2> Have you tested this?
[19:46] <smarter> that's why I still have the old wallpaper with ksplash
[19:46] <jpatrick> ScottK2: no but it just came up
[19:46] <jpatrick> "Is moodin still necessary to kubuntu? AFAIR the dependency was removed from kubuntu-desktop"
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: uisampler.rb works for me .. what makes you belive korundum is not working?
[19:47] <ScottK2> jpatrick: I'd say yes because of upgrades
[19:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, so it does
[19:48] <ScottK2> It's still un Gutsy's kubuntu-desktop, so anyone upgrading from Gutsy will have it.
[19:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: how about systray.rb ?
[19:48] <ScottK2> un/in
[19:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: groovy
[19:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: that wasn't ported
[19:50] <apachelogger> the module is Korundum4 not Korundum
[19:50] <nixternal> vorian: did you get keurocalc fixed up?
[19:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok but if I change that..
[19:51] <vorian> nixternal: aye
[19:51] <nixternal> did it get uploaded yet?
[19:51] <vorian> nope
[19:52] <vorian> still sitting in queue
[19:52] <nixternal> does it have a watch file by chance?
[19:52] <vorian> nope
[19:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually lower case k
[19:52] <apachelogger> but then it craps out
[19:52] <Riddell> yeah, strange
[19:52] <Riddell> I'd split out the examples into different packages
[19:53] <nixternal> vorian: add a watch file to it, re-debdiff it and sling me the link so we can get that fixed asap
[19:53] <Riddell> also compatre the existing libqt4-ruby1.8
[19:53] <vorian> kk
[19:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: k, will do
[19:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: compatre?
[19:56] <vorian> nixternal: it does have a watch file, my bad
[19:57] <vorian> bug 206278
[19:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206278 in keurocalc-kde4 "keurocalc-kde4 needs strict versioned dependency on keurocalc-kde4-data" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206278
[19:57] <nixternal> groovy, thanks
[19:57] <vorian> yw
[19:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: compare, look at the differences
[19:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, ok :)
[19:59]  * Riddell out
[20:15] <CheGuevara> ping apachelogger
[20:15] <apachelogger> pong CheGuevara
[20:15] <CheGuevara> so remove the toolbox it is then?
[20:15] <apachelogger> yes
[20:16] <CheGuevara> its a one liner as well :P
[20:22] <nixternal> vorian: fyi, watch file doesn't work, I fixed it though
[20:23] <vorian> danke
[20:24] <vorian> hmm
[20:24] <vorian> that's weird
[20:24] <nixternal> there is already a keurocalc 1.0.1
[20:24] <nixternal> yet there is no changelog for it
[20:27] <vorian> it's not on their homepage
[20:27] <vorian> how odd
[20:29] <jpatrick> ScottK2: test moodin package at https://edge.launchpad.net/~jpatrick/+archive
[20:30] <ScottK2> jpatrick: You test it and I'll sponsor it.
[20:30] <jpatrick> ScottK2: it's in universe so I can upload, just don't have a hardy system
[20:30] <ScottK2> A.
[20:30] <ScottK2> Ah.
[20:30] <ScottK2> OK.
[20:31] <jpatrick> :)
[20:35] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: bug 207169
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207169 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "kubuntu KDE4 shutdown requires too many steps (dup-of: 187450)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207169
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187450 in kdebase-kde4 "When logging out of KDE4, you have to click "logout" in two different dialog boxes" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187450
[20:35] <yuriy> oops wrong one
[20:35] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: bug 204174
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204174 in bzr-eclipse "stale name used after renaming project" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204174
[20:35] <yuriy> dammit suck at typing today
[20:35] <yuriy> bug 207174
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207174 in system-config-printer-kde "printer icon in system tray" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207174
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: lookin
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> internet is slow today <_<
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> wait... so is it a bug in kjobviewer or in system-config-printer?
[20:41] <nixternal> vorian: the update make keurocalc even worse...going to play around with the package
[20:41] <vorian> lol
[20:41] <vorian> is it to late to nuke it?
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: it seems to be the same as bug 206459 ... cups isn't updating it correctly
[20:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206459 in system-config-printer-kde "print status doesn't update automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206459
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> or its not catching the signals
[20:49] <mornfall> If you see Tonio by any chance, tell him, that it might be worth trying to set KDEDIRS=$KDEDIRS:$HOME/.kde/ and KDEHOME=something_empty for kdesudo to have the app read user's profile but not write to it. Or something akin to that, anyway.
[21:00] <nixternal> wow, some messy -kde4 packages
[21:00] <nixternal> need to start doing some lintian overrides
[21:01] <Jucato> nixternal: oh..  I haven't read the news yet... but wouldn't be surprised :)
[21:01] <nixternal> Pacquiao is da man!
[21:02] <Jucato> heheh :)
[21:42] <allee> eh, after todays hal update, g-p-m told me (as usual) that I have no battery.  Restarting g-p-m fixes it (as usual).  Is someone working on it?
[21:46] <claydoh> Jucato: you goes?
[21:46] <claydoh> err how goes?
[21:46] <jpatrick> hehe
[21:47]  * claydoh apologizes for being out of the loop and generally away from stuff th past few weeks
[21:52] <claydoh> how are you j?
[21:52] <allee> sebas: ^^^ g-p-m ?
[21:52] <claydoh> jpatrick:
[21:52] <claydoh> umm
[21:58] <jpatrick> claydoh: not bad thanks, yourself?
[21:59] <claydoh> tired, sore but otherwise fine :)
[22:00] <ScottK2> allee: awen has been working on g-p-m.
[22:00]  * nixternal bangs head super hard into the desk
[22:00] <nixternal> debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink
[22:01] <nixternal> this is driving me nuts
[22:01] <allee> ScottK2: k thx.
[22:01] <smarter> nixternal: this is "normal" with CDBS iirc
[22:01] <ScottK2> nixternal: It's an Ubuntu space saving hack.
[22:01] <nixternal> well, if that is the case, then someone needs to stop filing bugs against this issue
[22:02] <allee> nixternal: as softlink is only okay is pkg depend on the pkg that has the read file
[22:03] <allee> nixternal: if dep -> report is invalid, if not depends -> fix it ;)
[22:52] <sebas> allee: Nobody's working on it atm
[22:53] <sebas> But it's a known problem I've been unable to fix (tried a year or so ago(
[22:53] <allee> sebas: I'll ping awen, if he has plans for it
[22:53] <allee> sebas: oh, if you had no idea how to fix it, then it makes no sense that I try at all
[22:53] <sebas> The connection to the dbus is lost and I can't get it back
[22:54] <sebas> Well, I've tried, but apparently the dbus bindings weren't so nicee ... that might've changed.
[22:54] <allee> sebas: k
[22:54] <sebas> Catching the exception, then reconnecting might work now (it didn't work a year ago)
[23:11] <xRaich[o]2x> I want to help out. Any Coders needed?
[23:12] <TheInfinity> xRaich[o]2x: ask Riddell, he's our master of (kubuntu) universe :)
[23:13] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: ping
[23:29] <yuriy> xRaich[o]2x: it's post beta, so bug fixing time. you could find one that requires some coding
[23:30] <xRaich[o]2x> yuriy: I need some work for next week Friday. Until then I'm busy.
[23:33] <Riddell> hi xRaich[o]2x
[23:33] <xRaich[o]2x> hi Riddell
[23:33] <xRaich[o]2x> Though you were already gone ^^
[23:33] <xRaich[o]2x> Thought
[23:34] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: know python?
[23:35] <xRaich[o]2x> I bit, I've been coding C++ for a couple of Years. But i downloaded an Openbook about Python. Looks learnable to me.
[23:36] <Riddell> main thing that needs coding right now is the printer config app
[23:36] <xRaich[o]2x> In fact i wrote a Pythonprogramm years ago just to find out that it has been debianized ^^. That was a weird feeling ^^
[23:37] <xRaich[o]2x> Ok sounds cool, I'm intrested in coding frontends for the enduser.
[23:40] <xRaich[o]2x> I just need to get used to coding for a big project and get familiar with the kde4-python bindings.
[23:40] <xRaich[o]2x> Any IDE recommendations?
[23:48] <nixternal> Riddell: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath  <- is that because we aren't use the RPATH stuff in kde.mk?
[23:49] <nixternal> s/use/using/
[23:50] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: kate works for me
[23:51] <Riddell> nixternal: rpath is not a bad thing whatever debian say, for kde 4 its essential
[23:51] <nixternal> xRaich[o]2x: if you use Eclipse, there is a PyDev plugin that is great, or check out Komodo Edit 4.3, it is now open source and is a great python editor, with code completion
[23:52] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[23:52] <Riddell> is the code
[23:52] <nixternal> Riddell: so we could override those lintian errors then for rpath?
[23:52] <Riddell> it's a port of the gtk system-config-printer
[23:52] <Riddell> nixternal: we could (or we could just ignore them)
[23:52] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: Ok, i'm quite busy til next Friday. So give me a lot of Links please so i can prepare myself ^^
[23:53] <nixternal> ya, but there are people on the lintian warning bug bandwagon, so I am just tidying up some of my packages before they attack them :)
[23:54] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: You have an Tutorial for bazaar?
[23:54] <xRaich[o]2x> nixternal: I took a look a eric. Looks cool to.
[23:54] <Riddell> bzr branch http://.. as it says
[23:55] <xRaich[o]2x> at,too. dang too late for typing -_-
[23:55] <Riddell> bzr diff;  bzr commit
[23:55] <xRaich[o]2x> So it's basically like svn?
[23:55] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: yes, except you can branch it outside the main repository
[23:56] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows gives you an idea of the power, but don't scare yourself, it can be used exactly like svn
[23:57] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: you push the branch to launchpad.net to publish it
[23:57] <xRaich[o]2x> Ah ok, i don't get scared that easily ^^ I want to know my tools ^^