[00:00] <hellhound> I am having trouble with samba i am able to view my shares but for some reason i do not have write access.  i have pasted my smb.conf at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61075/
[00:05] <zylstra555> Hello. I am just curious, is the Kubuntu 8.10 BETA going to be the next version at the same time as Ubuntu 8.10?
[00:06] <mado> oy guys ... hello there ...
[00:06] <Daisuke_Ido> zylstra555, um...  what?
[00:06] <mado> do you think it is wise to install kde4 yet? ... or schould i install kubuntu 7.10 with kde 3.5*?
[00:07] <zylstra555> Daisuke_Ido: Ubuntu 8.10 is being released in 30 days, is this the same for Kubuntu?
[00:07] <Daisuke_Ido> 8.10 isn't being released for another 7 months...
[00:07] <zylstra555> mado: Definitely not on a production machine. I tried out 8.10 with KDE4, VERY unstable.
[00:07] <zylstra555> Homepage of www.ubuntu.com says:
[00:07] <ere4si> !hardy
[00:07] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:07] <mado> 8.10 ??
[00:08] <Daisuke_Ido> 8.04 is being released in 30 days (or so), and yes, kubuntu will release the same time
[00:08] <hellhound> can anyone help with samba i am able to view my shares but for some reason i do not have write access.  i have pasted my smb.conf at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61075/
[00:08] <zylstra555> "The new Ubuntu, 30 days to go"
[00:08] <mado> i thought 8.04 would be the next ?
[00:08] <Daisuke_Ido> mado, it is
[00:08] <mado> so ... was "8.10" a typo?
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i would imagine
[00:09] <zylstra555> Ah, it is 8.4... thought it was 10 for some strange strange reason
[00:09] <mado> ok *smiling*
[00:09] <mado> erm ...
[00:09] <nosrednaekim> its 8.04
[00:10] <mado> i want to run linux on my computer and the system should be stable ... i guess that means i should install 7.10 ?
[00:10] <mado> and would it be a problem if i reinstall my computer in some weeks to install 8.04?
[00:11] <zylstra555> mado: I tried out 8.4 Kubuntu with KDE4, it had quite a few bugs that needed to be worked out. I cant say if 8.4 without KDE4 is very stable or not.. But, from my experience, dont get KDE4 and 8.4 quite yet.
[00:11] <mado> ok ... thanks zylstra555
[00:12] <mado> now i have think about the partitions and the size of them
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> mado: of course, there is still a kde3 version of 8.04
[00:12] <mado> there is?
[00:12] <mado> good
[00:12] <[Relic]> 64bit version good and stable?
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> !khardy
[00:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported.
[00:13] <SlimeyPete> [Relic]: yeah
[00:13] <[Relic]> then I can go quad with 8G ram  :)
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> I really have never had any stability issues with 64 bit
[00:13] <Daisuke_Ido> unless of course you like doing things without hassle -_-
[00:13] <mado> when is it wise to use a 64bit-version?
[00:14] <[Relic]> when you have more than 4G  :)
[00:14] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not ubuntu's fault though, the only issues are with 3rd-party software
[00:14]  * zylstra555 over and out...
[00:14] <mado> last week i finally got a new computer ... a laptop ... of do you call it "notebook" ? ... :) ... it has a dual-core-processor :)
[00:14] <mado> well ... i just have 3 gb ram
[00:15] <[Relic]> got my quad core guts with a decent cooler under $720 with shipping so far, still working on finalizing it
[00:15] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: true :)
[00:15] <mado> quad-core? ... nice
[00:16] <[Relic]> with 8G  :)    I have a tad bit of a problem with blender and 1G of ram  :)
[00:16] <dwidmann> [Relic]: I just ordered mine today .... cost me $1084 though
[00:16] <[Relic]> what spiffy cooler did you get?  :)
[00:17] <dwidmann> [Relic]: umm, let me dig up the link
[00:17] <mado> well ... nothing beats the old "liquid-nitrogen-cooling-system" :)
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> compusa has an amazing sale on a quad core phenome for 400
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> *phenom
[00:17] <dwidmann> [Relic]: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106102
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> with HD, RAM, etc
[00:18] <dwidmann> mado: sounds expensive
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> and explosive..lol
[00:18] <dwidmann> explosives = fun
[00:18] <mado> dwidmann: don't know ... it was just a joke ... i once just thought about how "cool" it was :)
[00:18] <mado> *laughing*
[00:19] <dwidmann> mado: expensive, but that doesn't mean I don't want one :D
[00:20] <[Relic]> no HD or DVD-RW right now I will use the case, hd, and dvd-rw I have for a while  :)
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> heh.... this reminds me of a UserFriendly comic strip :)
[00:20] <eix> my installation was interrupted during the update-grub stage (or right after it) because of power down. What installation steps am I missing now? :( please help me
[00:20] <mado> dwidmann: ... well ... i am happy just to have a new laptop now ... it took me years to finance this thing ... but ok ... i'm currently just a student with very little money
[00:20] <[Relic]> dwidmann, http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5980945   <-   so far   :)
[00:21] <JasonWard> Hi. how do I upgrade specific applications through the command-line? or if its possible with gui how do I make it only update specific programs?
[00:21] <[Relic]> they sell HDs and DVD-RWs for so cheap these days, the quad and 8G is more important right now  :)
[00:21] <U_Dinlow> so... I reinstalled gutsy, got restricted drivers for my geforce4 mx460 (sh1tty) card - now what was needed to get tv-out? I only want this for my nippers pc
[00:21] <mado> one thing more about the "liquid-nitrogen"-cooling-system ... what is more effective / explosive -> nitrogen or hydrogen?
[00:23] <U_Dinlow> !tv-out | idiot
[00:23] <ubotu> idiot: For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[00:23] <vijay> wht is the name of the music application in thhis screenshot??? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Underworld+theme?content=36554
[00:24] <[Relic]> amarok
[00:24] <[Relic]> says so right on the bottom of the screen  :)
[00:25] <sudobash> thats a nice looking linux customization
[00:25] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be the ugliest theme i've ever seen
[00:25] <sudobash> yeah i dont like the theme but the visual style is nice
[00:25] <Daisuke_Ido> and right there, that's why it's nice that it's infinitely customizable
[00:25] <sudobash> but it looks to much like vista and XP
[00:26] <mado> are you talking about the wallpaper or did i get this wrong?
[00:27] <mado> i'm sorry ... maybe i'm a bit too tired ;)
[00:27] <JasonWard> Hi. how do I upgrade specific applications through the command-line? or if its possible with gui how do I make it only update specific programs?
[00:28] <nosrednaekim> JasonWard: yes, it is possible in adept, click on any package that needs updating and it will have the option to do so
[00:28] <mado> did i frighten you off guys?
[00:29] <sudobash> haha
[00:29] <mado> or did you just not answer my question because it is a question you don't "support" ? :)
[00:29] <Jucato> only Kheops can frighten me...
[00:29] <Jucato> or not...
[00:30] <dwidmann> [Relic]: one sec, I'll pull out my wishlist
[00:30] <mado> kheops?
[00:30] <Jucato> some annoying git
[00:30] <dwidmann> [Relic]: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4729729
[00:30] <eix> is there anything else after the update-grub install stage?
[00:31] <kuohyou> hi, how do i play rmvb files in kaffeine on kubuntu?
[00:31] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... well guys ... i will be back in some minutes ... i guess
[00:32] <urli> hi
[00:32] <Jucato> !w32codecs | kuohyou
[00:32] <ubotu> kuohyou: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[00:32] <urli> holaaaaaaaa
[00:32] <Jucato> kuohyou: that's usually all I need
[00:32] <urli> alguien puede decirme por q no puedo bajar la web cam a linux??
[00:33] <Jucato> !es | urli
[00:33] <ubotu> urli: En este canal, solamente hablamos ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:33] <urli> all right
[00:33] <urli>  no problem
[00:33] <kuohyou>  /msg ubotu medibuntu
[00:34] <mado> erm ... do you guys know a software which runs under 7.10 where i can play a piano and maybe compose something?
[00:34] <frida> hola
[00:34] <[Relic]> :)
[00:34] <frida> buenas tardes
[00:34] <urli> holaaa
[00:34] <urli> bvuenas tardes
[00:34] <Jucato> English only in here please
[00:35] <Jucato> !info rosegarden | mado
[00:35] <sudobash> hey LJL you around?
[00:35] <urli> yes no problem
[00:35] <Jucato> mado: though not really a piano
[00:35] <urli> hi everybodi
[00:35] <LjL> sudobash: yes
[00:35] <Jucato> hm... bot's lagging...
[00:35] <sudobash> is Prot a bot?
[00:35] <[Relic]> dwidmann, ewww!  a q9300!
[00:35] <mado> rosegarden ... hmm *thinking*
[00:36] <LjL> sudobash: hm?
[00:36] <mado> is it easy to use ... and what did you mean by saying "though not really a piano" ?
[00:36] <Jucato> mado: you need to have MIDI working though (playign .mid files, etc)
[00:36] <Jucato> mado: it's a music composer thing... you know, notes and staves...
[00:36] <[Relic]> dwidmann, should have waited for the 9450  :)
[00:36] <Jucato> no keyboard
[00:36] <Jucato> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[00:36] <mado> uhuu ... well ... i guess that is complicated ...
[00:37] <sudobash> nvm... would you consider letting me back in to Ubuntu?
[00:37] <mado> because ... i don't really know much about notes and some stuff
[00:38] <mado> i just thought it would be nice if there was a software ... kind of virtual piano ... so that i can just press some keys ... like on a real piano
[00:39] <mado> if it wasn't so expensive and if i had the time i would learn it at the local music school :)
[00:39] <sudobash> thats pretty funny mado... I have seen Guitar Hero mods for pressing Function keys but not piano... there are virtual piano's though
[00:39] <Jucato> online pianos...
[00:40] <Darkrift2> is there somewhere i could find a list of some usefull 3rd party sources for apt?
[00:41] <Darkrift2> i know i found a few on my last install i used a lot (wine and cant remember what else)
[00:41] <Jucato> !source-o-matic
[00:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[00:41] <Jucato> oh... hm...
[00:41] <Darkrift2> lol
[00:41] <mado> is anyone of you able to play a music instrument?
[00:42] <U_Dinlow> i play the herdygurdy
[00:42] <mado> pardon?
[00:42] <mado> what is that?
[00:43] <dwidmann> [Relic]: why so?
[00:43] <dwidmann> [Relic]: waiting isn't my strong point
[00:43] <mado> my dictionary and wikipedia doesn't tell me what this was
[00:43] <dwidmann> [Relic]: nothing stopping me from upgrading later either :)
[00:44] <mado> uuuh ... now i found it
[00:44] <U_Dinlow> you like?
[00:45] <Darkrift2> i tried to isntall build essentials but it wasnt found. I think i have almost everything enabled in my source list
[00:45] <Darkrift2> what could i be missing
[00:45] <[Relic]> dwidmann, the 9300 will perform a bit lower than the q6600 due to the 6M cache vs 8M
[00:45] <mado> well ... i haven't heard of this music instrument before ... i'm sorry ... so i can't tell you if i would like it
[00:46] <mado> it could be that i heard the sound of it in some songs but i'm not sure
[00:47] <U_Dinlow> mado: it's rare
[00:47] <mado> yeah ... i guess so
[00:48] <dwidmann> [Relic]: though, the fsb is a fair bit faster
[00:48] <dwidmann> [Relic]: total system performance should be a bit better, I would think
[00:48] <[Relic]> dwidmann, the multiplier is lower
[00:49] <[Relic]> been  reading overclockers stuff lately to figure out what is good  :)
[00:49] <[Relic]> bet you will have better temps though
[00:49] <mado> one more thing ... before i install linux on my computer ... is it safe (will there be data loss) when i resize "ntfs"- / "ext3"- / "fat32"-partitions ?
[00:50] <mado> because i thought i will install windows on a 10 gb partition ... and if i need more than that ... i will resize it
[00:50] <mado> i would also do that with the other partitions like "/" "/home" ...
[00:50] <mado> what do you guys think?
[00:51] <roozbeh> Hello everyone! I use Kontact KMail 1.2.6 and when typing a text, it does not do viewing word wrap by itself. If I set word wrap column, it also sends the text in the exact columns cut. Do you have any suggestions for this?
[00:51] <dwidmann> [Relic]: ah, I haven't been keeping up in the last couple years
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> mado: its good to have a separate /home
[00:52] <mado> a seperate? ... you mean "/home" on a seperate partition?
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> yes
[00:53] <mado> oh shame on me ... two typos :)
[00:54] <mado> well nosrednaekim ... this are some of the partitions i thought of ...
[00:54] <mado> "/media/windows" ... 10 gb -> if i need more i would resize it
[00:54] <mado> ntfs
[00:55] <mado> "/" ... 15 ... ext3 ... i would also resize it if i need more
[00:55] <mado> "/home" ... ? gb ... ext3 ... i would also resize this partition
[00:56] <mado> and one fat32-partition so that i can save some files there which should be accessible for linux and windows
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> how much space do you have total?
[00:56] <mado> erm ... 146 gb
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> windows can look at ext3, and linux can read Windows file systems
[00:57] <mado> windows and "ext3" ? ... that's some news for me
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> !et3
[00:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about et3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> !ext3
[00:57] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> mado: then I would personally do it like this. 20GB for windows, 1 GB for swap, 25GB for / and the rest for /home... unless you have alot of windows games
[01:00] <mado> i will install it on my laptop ... i have not much games but i will play those on my brothers pc ;)
[01:00] <mado> why would i need so much for "/" ?
[01:00] <mado> and why should i use the rest for "/home" ?
[01:01] <nosrednaekim>  /home is where all of your personal files are stored
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> you can probably get by with less on /  it all depends on what you are loading
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> more programs == larger /
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> more personal files (videos, pictures,music) == larger /home
[01:02] <roozbeh> I have a qiuestion about KMail. Can anybody help me?
[01:02] <mado> well ... i don't think i would need that much space for personal files :)
[01:02] <mado> i don't have much pictures / songs
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> mado: then give more to windows
[01:03] <mado> so ... you say i should use the whole space i can use
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> of course :)
[01:03] <mado> and resizing a partition is not wise?
[01:04] <mado> i thought that if i let some space left i can resize the partition :)
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> if you have an empty disc right now, its far better to make a partition you like the first time around... resizing CAN be danguerous
[01:04] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... i didn't know that
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> you can't extend a partition
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> on shrink it
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> *only
[01:05] <dwidmann> [Relic]: this is actually my first intel build .. any recommended (internet) reading material?
[01:05] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... hmm *thinking*
[01:06] <mado> so ... the program you showed me ... via the link ...
[01:07] <mado> if i install it under windows i can access my linux-partitions?
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> mado: yes
[01:07] <_dennister> k, having a perms problem: sql-ledger's faq says my webserver (owner is usually apache or www-data) has to have write permissions to the sql-ledger/users directory, which I see is currently owned by root:root, but i also see that sql-ledger/users directory is a "locked folder" and linked to /var/lib/sql-ledger/users
[01:07] <mado> that makes the "fat32"-partition unnecessary
[01:08] <_dennister> so my question is, do i change ownership of /var/lib/sql-ledger/users? and to what? apache or www-data?
[01:08] <_dennister> if i'm to change /usr/share/sql-ledger/users' ownership, how do i do that with a locked folder?
[01:09] <JasonWard> Hi. is ntfs writing stable? apt-get automatically downloads sometimes, how do I make it ask me everytime? coz sometimes I want to check the filesize
[01:10] <mado> one more thing nosrednaekim ... does it quite stand out that english isn't my mother-tongue?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> mado: nope :)
[01:10] <mado> :) ... thank you
[01:11] <mado> if talking in english would be as easy as writing it :)
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> JasonWard: yes, its stable
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> mado: hehe... yes that is the tough part I can write spanish decently... but I couldn't speak it for my life
[01:12] <mado> :)
[01:12] <mado> my problem is that i am quite nervous at school when we have to talk in english ...
[01:13] <mado> of course i can pronounce most of the words correctly but i feel a bit ... i think ... edgy is the word i'm looking for :)
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> yep....
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> english is supposedly a hard language.
[01:14] <lopov> hey guys, im having issues with my nvidia driver... ive installed the packages required and everything seems to work fine, but when i do glxinfo it outputs dri no and my diplay is set to 2???
[01:15] <mado> my dictionary also said i could use the word "jumpy" or "tingly" but i guess those two words are only used when you are in love with someone aren't they?
[01:15] <JasonWard> apt-get automatically downloads sometimes, how do I make it ask me everytime? coz sometimes I want to check the filesize
[01:15] <lopov> but when i set the display path to 0 everything seems to work fine
[01:15] <_dennister> anyone wanna tackle my webserver's ownership & perms problem?
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> nah....
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> JasonWard: do man apt-get ... there should be a command line witch
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> *switch
[01:16] <mado> ok ... sorry ... i know ... "off topic"
[01:16] <waynrdude> is there a cli like cat /proc/cpuinfo for finding out info about my memory?
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> waynrdude: free -m should do it
[01:16] <JasonWard> nosrednaekim: thanks. How do I remove entries from my kmenu?
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> JasonWard: right click->edit kmenu
[01:17] <waynrdude> nosrednaekim: is there a reason why my machine has 512 megs with only 60 free? does kubuntu take that much to run?\
[01:18] <stdin> waynrdude: look at how much in the the cache, add that to the "free" amount to see how much is available
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> waynrdude: check out the second line... the first line doesn't really count
[01:20] <dwidmann> [Relic]: http://lly316.blogspot.com/2008/02/core-2-quad-q9300-vs-q6600-benchmark.html
[01:20] <Jucato> !ram | waynrdude
[01:20] <ubotu> waynrdude: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[01:20] <waynrdude> -/+ buffers/cache:        215        287 = 256mb?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> waynrdude: sounds about right
[01:21] <mado> i am not an expert but i guess that can't be ... because kubuntu ran on my eight year old computer which only had 256 mb ram
[01:21] <waynrdude> that make more sense to how this machine acts
[01:21] <waynrdude> thanks nosrednaekim stdin
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> i'm using 538... <_<
[01:22]  * stdin has you beat
[01:22] <stdin> -/+ buffers/cache:        708        293
[01:23] <eix> can somebody please give me sources.list for Kubuntu 7.10?
[01:23] <stdin> eix: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[01:23] <mado> nosrednaekim: ... can i show you my new list of partitions when i'm ready ... currently i'm chewing over it
[01:23]  * Jucato thinks a new sources.list can be generated if the Software Properties thingy is used
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> stdin: what are you running!?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> mado sure
[01:24]  * Jucato is scared of mado... partition-chewer...
[01:24] <mado> Jucato: ... don't be afraid ... i'm not eating any partitions :)
[01:24] <eix> any idea why smbfs package can't be installed?
[01:24] <eix> stdin: ok, thnks
[01:24] <stdin> nosrednaekim: hardy, this is my development box/laptop.
[01:25] <stdin> nosrednaekim: 01:24:10 up 21 days, 21:04,  3 users,  load average: 0.63, 0.52, 0.54 ;)
[01:25] <Jucato> mado: the fact that you're just chewing on them is scary enough :P
[01:25] <Erickj92> when i try to play Runescape, i get the "Error loading applet" message. anyone know whats up?
[01:25] <mado> i'm vegetarian ... i know that i'm eating your food's food but hopefully you understand :)
[01:25] <dthacker> eix: not unless you give us error messages
[01:25] <Jucato> eix: try installing using apt-get to see the error messages
[01:25] <eix> Jucato: already doing that
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ah yeah.... what would happen over time
[01:25] <mado> runescape? *laughing*
[01:25] <[Relic]> dwidmann, still think you would have been better off waiting for the q9450  :)
[01:26] <eix> dthacker: it says that the package is obsolete or something like that
[01:26] <mado> sorry but ... nearly everywhere i went the last few days i heard someone mention "runescape"
[01:26] <mado> i guess it is a curse or something ... it follows me around :)
[01:26] <Jucato> Erickj92: you might need java or something.. maybe there's a #runescape channel you can ask in
[01:26] <Erickj92> Jucato, i have java, but the java website says it out of date. how would i get the new one?
[01:27] <mado> isn't a new one in the repositories?
[01:27] <Jucato> Erickj92: install sun-java6-plugin?
[01:27] <_dennister> hey guys :) 2 of my fav helpers :)
[01:27] <Jucato> or just install Kubuntu Restricted Extras
[01:27] <dthacker> eix: apt-get and friends will *try* to do the right thing.  Maybe you should pastebin the error?
[01:27] <Erickj92> Jucato, no i think i got some odd one off apt-get
[01:27] <mado> and erm ... jucato ... why is it scarry that i am chewing on partitions?
[01:28] <_dennister> anyone know which system owner should own httpd? apache2 isn't a valid user, apparently
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> mado: chewing == eating
[01:28] <eix> dthacker: ok..but it might not be English
[01:29] <mado> yeah ... so?
[01:29] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you eat gum? :P
[01:29] <Jucato> anyway.. offtopic heheh
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> ha
[01:29] <mado> ok ok
[01:29] <mado> ;)
[01:29] <mado> everyone who wants some bubble or chewing gum :) come and follow me :)
[01:30] <dwidmann> [Relic]: probably, but I was half impatient, 1/4 nervous wreck, 1/4 nervous, and 100% impulsive
[01:30] <mado> oops ... i guess "anyone" is the correct "*one"-word?
[01:30] <dthacker> _dennister: www-data
[01:30] <stdin> mado: both work there
[01:30] <[Relic]> dwidmann, in that case you want to impulsively buy my wishlist and send it here  :)
[01:30] <mado> thank goodness! .9
[01:30] <mado> :)
[01:31] <dwidmann> [Relic]: I'm impulsively broke
[01:31] <dwidmann> [Relic]: I just ordered my list at about 4am
[01:32] <_dennister> dthacker: ty...i just tried that, but confirmation i'm on the right track helps
[01:32] <[Relic]> dwidmann, ok, reroute it here and buy your self a nice new one with better parts   :)
[01:33] <[Relic]> dwidmann, have fun with it  :)
[01:33] <dthacker> _dennister: what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:33] <martin_> hello good evening!
[01:35] <Erickj92> Jucato, still having issues with runescape loading even after updating Java plugin
[01:35] <yovan> hi
[01:35] <yovan> i'm just testing
[01:35] <Jucato> Erickj92: hm.. what browser are you using?
[01:35] <mado> nosrednaekim: ... do you use the program you showed me yourself?
[01:35] <Erickj92> Jucato, FireFox 2
[01:35] <dthacker> yovan: seems to be working :)
[01:35] <mado> http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[01:36] <yovan> i'm french
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> mado: no I do not.... I have not used windows in 5 years
[01:36] <_dennister> dthacker: i'm having real probs installing sql-ledger on what will be a headless server
[01:36] <yovan> and new to kubuntu
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[01:36] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:36] <sle> when i installed kubuntu i didnt have it co nnected to the internet now adept installer greys everything out how do i turn i ton
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> sle: go to Manage repositories in the adept menu and enable them all
[01:37] <sle> thanks nosrednaekim
[01:38] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... well ... unfortunately i have to use it on my notebook ... i need it at school
[01:38] <yovan> hey guys can anybody help me about installing shockwave on kubuntu gutsy?
[01:38] <mado> shockwave?
[01:38] <mado> for linux?
[01:38] <dthacker> _dennister: good luck! I've just verified that www-data is the stock apache user.
[01:38] <_dennister> dthacker: no matter what i do, tho, i can't login as the superuser; all i ever get is error! users/members problem, and the sql-ledger faq says this about write permissions
[01:38] <mado> since when? *big eyes*
[01:39] <yovan> i don't know if it is possible
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> yovan: install the package "flashplugin-nonfree"
[01:39] <dthacker> _dennister: do you mean the superuser of sql-ledger, the super user of mysql, or the super user of the OS?
[01:39] <yovan> i did
[01:39] <yovan> it works
[01:39] <mado> yovan: i am not an expert but i heard there wasn't shockwave for linux
[01:39] <_dennister> it seems lots of other people have trouble with sql-ledger...i mean the superuser of sql-ledger
[01:40] <yovan> but on some sites it needs shockwave
[01:40] <mado> flash works ... but shockwave?
[01:40] <Erickj92> Jucato, any ideas why its not working? I had issues with Java on Gentoo also
[01:40] <_dennister> i need to get in somehow to get the first database setup, but i can't if the su i created is denied all access
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> whats the difference?
[01:40] <Jucato> Erickj92: not really. sorry... might be some firefox-java setup
[01:41] <mado> yovan: ...
[01:41] <mado> Unlike Flash, the Shockwave browser plugin is not available for Linux or Solaris despite vocal lobbying efforts
[01:41] <dthacker> _dennister: can you access mysql at the command line?
[01:41] <Erickj92> is there a firefox channel i might ask in? or a java channel?
[01:41] <mado> quoting wikipedia
[01:41] <dwidmann> [Relic]: I hope I will. I hope the !@#$!@#$ thing works when all is said and done too
[01:41] <yovan> thanks man
[01:41] <_dennister> dthacker: yes, i can, but sql-ledger actually uses postgres
[01:41] <mado> yovan: ... wait!
[01:41] <mado> However, the Shockwave Player can be installed on Linux with CrossOver or by running a Windows version of a supported browser in Wine
[01:41] <Jucato> Erickj92: #firefox I thik
[01:42] <Jucato> think*
[01:42] <Erickj92> ok
[01:42] <Erickj92> thanks
[01:42] <dthacker> _dennister: you've just left the boundaries of my expertise. sorry :)
[01:42] <sonoftheclayr> Hello all I just recieved a wireless mouse and am trying to set it up. Does anybody know how to does this and if so could they please help out
[01:42] <yovan> yes i herad of that
[01:42] <dthacker> I *want* to play with Postgres, but haven't had time
[01:42] <yovan> but it is not linux...
[01:42] <yovan> i don't like wine
[01:43]  * dthacker must....resist...bad...beer....joke....
[01:43] <gtt> my kcontrol applet for disks and filesystem doesntwork
[01:43] <_dennister> dthacker: i know what u mean...i've been wanting to try this sql-ledger for a long time, but there were probs with an out-of-date postgres dependency in the repositories...now i really need swl-ledger's inventory module
[01:44] <yovan> a,d one more thing guys . i want to put all my downloads on a windows partition.
[01:44] <mado> dthacker: ... that sounds like the guy in "anger managment" ... the guy who curses when his favorite sports team loses a game
[01:44] <gtt> I get this error : the module Disks and Filesystem could not be loaded
[01:44] <yovan> i use ntfs-config
[01:45] <dthacker> _dennister: sorry I can't help, stop by offtopic and ping me if you get it going.  I'm married to this window's loving accountant.....
[01:45] <ere4si> seems I can't run konsole without any border...
[01:45] <_dennister> the other inventory programs available seem to be way too huge, enterprise-level, and i need to keep track of hardware components in the used-pc-building.............ok i will, not a great accountant here
[01:49] <dthacker> ere4si: I agree, you can't
[01:49] <ere4si> dthacker: just been googling it and there's alot of people asking for it...
[01:50]  * dthacker hugs his Konsole. Tabs are cool!
[01:50] <_dennister> dthacker: OMG...think i'm finally past the ownership/users problem...onto more configs :)...maybe i'll have a successful sql-ledger installation soon :) yayyyyyy!
[01:51] <dthacker> \o/
[01:51] <dwidmann> dthacker: yakuake ftw
[01:51] <Erickj92> am I able to update Kubuntu to 8.1 through terminal?
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> Erickj92: you mean 8.04?
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> Erickj92: yes
[01:52] <Erickj92> umm yeah
[01:52] <Erickj92> lol
[01:52] <Erickj92> sorry my bad
[01:52]  * dthacker runs off to look at yakuake
[01:52] <Erickj92> nosrednaekim, so it can be done without formatting my hard drive and everything?
[01:53] <turkeyNeck> anyone running ubuntu on virtualbox?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> Erickj92: sure
[01:53] <dwidmann> Erickj92: sudo -s; sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e "s/gutsy/hardy/g"; apt-get dist-upgrade; ............ or some such
[01:53] <Erickj92> cool
[01:53] <Erickj92> lol dwidmann, right over my head
[01:53] <turkeyNeck> got a question regarding screen resolution with kubuntu and virtualbox
[01:54] <stdin> Erickj92: hardy is still in development, do don't expect a fully working system (or even a working system)
[01:55] <Erickj92> stdin, i was mainly waiting for the final release. i was just wondering if it could be done
[01:55] <mado> a pity one of my friends isn't here turkeyNeck ... but i guess the other guys can help you too
[01:55] <stdin> Erickj92: then there will be one command "sudo do-release-upgrade" (when it's out)
[01:55] <Erickj92> ok, sweet
[01:55] <Erickj92> thanks
[01:56] <Erickj92> oh BTW Jucato, i got Runescape to work. i selected another signed aplet at the detail page.
[01:56] <turkeyNeck> the kde display manager doesn't show any higher resolution than 800x600. can anyone shed light into this? i have the VBox guest additions installed
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> turkeyNeck: just ask
[01:56] <Erickj92> turkeyNeck, could it be outdated drivers, or no drivers?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> turkeyNeck: do you have it set to auto set resultion or whatever?
[01:58] <turkeyNeck> nosrednaekim: auto set resolution hasn't been set
[01:58] <johan> hi, is there a way to disable eth0 so it will not show up in "ifconfig" ?
[01:58] <mado> erm guys ... i heard there was function ... i don't know what it is called but ... if you choose this function the notebook will not shutdown but write some files (from ram?) on your hard-disk so that you can continue your work if you forgot to charge the battery ...
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> turkeyNeck: its somethere in the Vbox menu.. but I can't remember where.... you may also have to set kubuntuto use the Vbox x driver.... in any case, the best place to ask is 3vbox
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> mado: suspend
[01:59] <mado> what is the function called? / and does it write the files on swap?
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> or hibernate
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> hibernate writes files to swap, suspends writes them to RAM
[01:59] <mado> which files does hibernate write to swap?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> mado: the contents of the RAM
[02:00] <turkeyNeck> nosrednaekim: k. thx for the info
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> #vbox, sorry
[02:00] <turkeyNeck> heh, yeah i figured
[02:00] <mado> so ok ... i guess that means i should use at least as much swap as i have ram?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> mado: correct, the standard amount is about 1.5 times your RAM
[02:01] <mado> hmmm ok ... then i will use 5 gb swap
[02:01] <mado> because i have 3 gb ram
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> mado: dang.. thats a ton of ram :)
[02:02] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: is that still applicable? I mean, imho it's indirectly proportional to RAM
[02:02] <mado> well ... yeah ... my notebook is a newer than my pc
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: for hibernate? certainly....you can't hibernate if you have less swap then ram
[02:02] <mado> darn ... the 'a' shouldn't be there ... sorry
[02:03] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: really? oh...
[02:03]  * Jucato didn't know that about hibernate
[02:03] <Jucato> although I couldn't suspend in hardy either (last I tried0
[02:05] <nonewmsgs> shouldnt hibranate work if most of ram is empty?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: i'm not sure actually.... but all I know is that you do that to be safe
[02:06] <nonewmsgs> nosrednaekim, it does make a lot of sense
[02:06] <mado> erm ... when "hibernate" writes files from ram to your "swap"-partition in kubuntu ... what kind of files does "suspend" write?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> mado: suspend is entirely different.... that just freezes the contents of your ram.
[02:07] <nonewmsgs> an RITer! one of my best friends in college did a year in RIT
[02:07] <pyro17> nonewmsgs what about rit
[02:07] <nonewmsgs> pyro17, it just brings back pleasant college memories
[02:08] <pyro17> look at my hostname
[02:08] <ejm> augh..whenever I need help, #ubuntu has way too many users, while #kubuntu has the right amount of traffic and brains.
[02:08] <nonewmsgs> ejm agreed
[02:08] <ejm> anyway, I have a compaq laptop with an atheros wifi NIC.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> ejm: oooo atheros... my favorite :)
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> not
[02:09] <ejm> I'd like to get it working. would it work automatically after I install? or not?
[02:09] <nonewmsgs> usually ejm
[02:09] <ejm> or do I have to ndiswrapp it?
[02:09] <nonewmsgs> ejm sometimes you have to but most of them work fine out-of-the-box or with a few madwifi commands
[02:09] <ejm> because I can live w/o wifi on it.
[02:09] <ejm> ok
[02:10] <nonewmsgs> see if it works with the livecd
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ejm: depends on the model.... usually, if atheros'don't work right away,they won't work at all.
[02:10] <ejm> ugh...
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> (except with ndiswrapper)
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> they work VERY well with ndiswrapper
[02:10] <ejm> best buy needs a bit more selection if I get one from them again.
[02:10] <ejm> maybe an IBM, or leveno
[02:10] <nonewmsgs> i buy a lot of netgear cards all with atheros and i have had good luck with them
[02:11] <ejm> sweet
[02:11] <ejm> I'll try it then..this is going to take a while as vista is preinstalled..maybe I should dump the trial software before I partiiton everything.
[02:11] <ejm> that'd take a while.
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I researched the card I got for my desktop and it works perfectly
[02:12] <mado> nosrednaekim: i'm nearly ready
[02:12] <Strogol> ubuntu br
[02:12] <ejm> which card is it?
[02:12] <Strogol> ubuntu pt-br??
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> !pt
[02:12] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[02:12] <Strogol> tks
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ejm: netgear I think... TL221 or seomthing like that
[02:13] <ejm> dang...they probably have that one there!
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> I got this one off of Newegg for like $15
[02:13] <ejm> If only I was in boise and not twin falls. idaho.
[02:14] <ejm> ok, I'll go start partitioning. thanks for the input.
[02:15] <nonewmsgs> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Netgear
[02:16] <nonewmsgs> what kind of chipset do you recomend?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> Atheros
[02:17] <nonewmsgs> smile
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> or INtel
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> just make sure you get the right one
[02:17] <nonewmsgs> oh yes intel but they only deal with built-ins
[02:23] <mado> nosrednaekim: ... do you know how good the tool works you showed me?
[02:23] <mado> or does any other one know more about it?
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> mado: I have heard that it works perfectly fine
[02:24] <mado> ok :)
[02:25] <ejm> dang it! HP disabled overclocking the AMD cpu!
[02:25] <ejm> That's like 1/2 the reason I got it!
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> !?!?!
[02:26] <ejm> I went into the bios, and there's no options for overclocking, or doing anything except for some virtuilization crap that I'll never use.
[02:26] <kgoetz> you seem supprised
[02:26] <kgoetz> desktop or server?
[02:26] <ejm> yes and no.
[02:26] <ejm> it's a laptop
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> oh... you can't overclock laptops normally!
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> onless you get like an ASUS
[02:27] <kgoetz> heh. not sure overclocking a laptop is a good move *grin*
[02:27] <ejm> I'm not suprised because HP and compaq could get sued by a lot of people. but it'd be nice for us who like to live on the linux side.
[02:27] <mado> and erm ... i heard it was possible to read / write / delete / alter / ... files on NTFS-partitions with kubuntu 7.10 ... is this true?
[02:27] <ejm> yeah, I'd only do it for a few minutes, then probably go back to what it was.
[02:28] <ejm> i'm not sure
[02:28] <ejm> I know you can read
[02:28] <ejm> that sounded just plain mean
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> mado: yep... this is true
[02:28] <mado> mean?
[02:28] <ejm> you can read an NTFS partition, but I've never tried writing.
[02:29] <kgoetz> you can write
[02:29] <mado> why mean?
[02:29] <kgoetz> !ntfs-3g
[02:29] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:29] <mado> thanks nosrednaekim ... kgoetz
[02:29] <ejm> I said I know you can read. If there was some brainless person, they'd think I was saying you could read, like read a book or read a sign.
[02:30] <ejm> ok, time to get the partitioning started.
[02:30] <ejm> brb
[02:30] <jhutchins> If you bought a system that can be overclocked significantly, chances are you paid more then you would have paid for a system that runs at the "overclocked" speed in the first place.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins: LOL...++
[02:32] <mado> is it allowed to use this symbol '_' in the middle of two words when you create a partition?
[02:33] <kgoetz> mado: not sure. in the label perhaps
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> mado: for the mount point?
[02:34] <mado> well ... /media/abc_xyz ... for example
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> mado: thats fine
[02:34] <mado> and when isn't it allowed?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> it always is...
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> just wasn't sure what you were askin
[02:35] <mado> well ... i want to create "/media/abc_xyz" when i install linux
[02:35] <ejm> yeah, when I overclock my sempron, it seems to go slower than when it's at normal speed
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> mado: yeah, thats fine
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> mado:  I have to go.... good luck :)
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> mado: oh, and install windows before you install linux, it makes things easier
[02:37] <mado> can you wait just a sec ...
[02:37] <ejm> firefox is at version 2.0.0.13 now.
[02:37] <mado> i have it ready now ...
[02:37] <mado> the sizes
[02:37] <mado> finally
[02:38] <mado> or is anybody in here too who can help me to tell me if this was a good idea?
[02:40] <kgoetz> mado: if you need to ask about something, simply ask about it ;)
[02:40] <ejm> for wat?
[02:40] <kgoetz> if you need to paste usea pastebin
[02:40] <ejm> what? not wat
[02:40] <mado> ok ... well ... here we go ...
[02:40] <ejm> you guys ever get an email from Randy white?
[02:42] <mado> the hard disk's size is 146 gb totally
[02:42] <frida> hola buenas noches
[02:42] <frida> alguien habla español
[02:42] <frida> no o creo cierto
[02:42] <mado> and i thought about some partitions ...
[02:42] <mado> 15	gb	15360	mb		NTFS	/media/windows
[02:42] <mado> 16	gb	16384	mb		ext3	/
[02:42] <mado> 5	gb	5120	mb		swap	swap
[02:43] <ejm> good
[02:43] <mado> 80	gb	81920	mb		FAT32	/media/windows_programs
[02:43] <ejm> how much ram do you have?
[02:43] <mado> 17,5	gb	17920	mb		ext3	/home
[02:43] <mado> 12,5	gb	12800	mb		NTFS	/media/windows_my_documents
[02:43] <mado> erm ... 3 gb
[02:43] <mado> ram
[02:43] <ejm> any more partitions?
[02:43] <ejm> cause it sounds good
[02:43] <mado> no
[02:43] <ejm> looks great
[02:44] <mado> well ... it took me about an hour to think about it :)
[02:44] <ejm> what are you doing? just setting it up for linux the first time?
[02:44] <ejm> it took me longer when I first dual-booted.
[02:44] <mado> because i thought about all the programs i need at school ... they only run under windows
[02:45] <ejm> yeah, that looks good.
[02:45] <kgoetz> mado: please dont paste in here
[02:45] <kgoetz> !es | frida
[02:45] <ubotu> frida: En este canal, solamente hablamos ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:45] <ejm> pending on the distro, I'd go with 20gb or bigger, but that's just with other linuxes.
[02:46] <mado> well ... it is my first time i install a dual-boot system on my own computer ... some months ago i installed linux for my father too because he wanted to see it ... but i didn't think so much about it then
[02:46] <mado> well ... i wanted to use kubuntu 7.10 ...
[02:46] <_dennister> man this sql-ledger is a bia**ch!
[02:46] <mado> maybe 8.04 with the old kde when it is out ...
[02:46] <ejm> 16gb should be enough for / .
[02:46] <Y-Town> is there a way t make the number pad turn on during boot?  before kde fires up?  I have it enabled to be on when KDE comes up but im looking for earlier....
[02:46] <ejm> hit next or whatever lol
[02:47] <_dennister> <----is thinking of writing a howto to install this thing.....
[02:47] <ejm> hit shift and num lock
[02:47] <ejm> oh wait!
[02:47] <mado> well ejm ... first of all i have to finish the windows-installation
[02:47] <ejm> yeah there's a way
[02:47] <mado> pardon me ejm ?
[02:47] <ejm> i was talking to someone else about the shift and num lock thing
[02:47] <ejm> you're fine mando
[02:47] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... sorry
[02:47] <Y-Town> <--- someone else   :o)
[02:48] <ejm> ok...that makes your keypad become a mouse...lol
[02:48] <mado> *smiling* nice to meet you Y-Town alias someone else :)
[02:48] <ejm> it's really easy to do, and I can't remember how to do it.
[02:48] <Y-Town> mado: dito
[02:48] <mado> erm ... guys ...
[02:48] <ejm> google will be useful in a sec
[02:49] <ejm> Y-Town, check your BIOS settings.
[02:49] <ejm> that's the way I know of right off my head.
[02:50] <mado> who of you learned english as mother-tongue? ... (i'm sorry i can't phrase this sentence correctly)
[02:50] <Y-Town> ejm: Ok.. I will check into it
[02:50] <ejm> native?
[02:50] <ejm> me.
[02:50] <mado> yeah ... ok ...
[02:50] <mado> erm ... when you read my nickname here ... mado ...
[02:50] <ejm> brb
[02:50] <mado> do you read it like "mad o" ?
[02:51] <mado> ok :)
[02:51] <ejm> yeah, I read it like mad o or "mad uh"
[02:52] <mado> maybe this was the correct sentence ... who of you is a native english speaker? ... ejm ?
[02:52] <ejm> Yes, I am.
[02:52] <mado> nah ... i wanted to know if this was the correct saying
[02:53] <mado> if you ask somebody what his mother-tongue was
[02:53] <mado> how do you ask somebody this question?
[02:53] <pyro_17> what is your native language
[02:53] <ejm> yeah!
[02:53] <mado> thanks pyro_17 !
[02:53] <pyro_17> np
[02:53] <ejm> going brain dead..need to jump to #gentoo for a bit. that'll make me feel like a little fish in hot water.
[02:54] <mado> well ... as you now can see ... english isn't my mother-tongue
[02:54] <mado> ejm: ... why?
[02:54] <pyro_17> indeed not
[02:54] <Alucard_Hellsing> sorry to interupt. but i was wondering if anyone here knew some who goes by the name of StateofTrance
[02:54] <mado> pyro_17: ??
[02:55] <mado> can you explain that to me why you said "indeed not"?
[02:55] <pyro_17> you said "well ... as you now can see ... english isn't my mother-tongue"
[02:55] <pyro_17> i agreed
[02:56] <mado> ok :) thank you
[02:56] <ejm> I sit too much in front of a computer. that's why mado
[02:57] <mado> uhuu ... i know this habit but i'm not telling you why *whistling* :)
[02:58] <mado> and one more thing ejm ... and you other guys out there ... i don't know how mado could be pronounced correctly ... but mado stands for "mario do***" ... my name :)
[02:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> i guess not....  well then could any one here help me to conect to the morpheus irc server
[02:59] <mado> Alucard_Hellsing: ... i am sorry ... i am new around here ... when i see this person you were talking about i tell her / him that you wanted to talk to her / him
[03:00] <Alucard_Hellsing> ty
[03:01] <ejm> sweet name mado
[03:01] <ejm> ok you atheros nuts! I rebooted, and it's not finding a wireless signal, much less a wlan0
[03:01] <mado> well thank you ... :)
[03:01] <ejm> can I kick and screen like the people that call dell?
[03:02] <mado> Alucard_Hellsing: ...
[03:02] <mado> i found a website ...
[03:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> yes
[03:02] <mado> it says this room morpheus ...
[03:02] <mado> it's in "P2PChat"
[03:02] <ejm> sneeze
[03:02] <mado> bless you!
[03:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> yes ty
[03:03] <orehon> I using Kubuntu 7.10 and I have a problem with bluetooth... I can send a file from my laptop to my cellphone... but I can not send a file from my celphone to my laptop or browser the cellphone files... How can help me?
[03:03] <mado> no problem ... i don't know what it is but i hope you find what you are looking for
[03:04] <mado> Alucard_Hellsing: ...
[03:04] <mado> http://irc.netsplit.de/webchat/?net=P2PChat&room=%23Morpheus ... here!
[03:04] <mado> there is a web-applet!
[03:04] <Alucard_Hellsing> ty vm
[03:08] <krodolfo> http://subefotos.com/ver/?c8a94d02c21329a34480190d8d3987afo.jpg
[03:16] <mado> oh dear guys ... i am very sorry but i have to go now
[03:17] <mado> i hope to see you soon
[03:18] <mado> good bye
[03:18] <mado> and thank you very much for your help
[03:19] <orehon> I using Kubuntu 7.10 and I have a problem with bluetooth... I can send a file from my laptop to my cellphone... but I can not send a file from my celphone to my laptop or browser the cellphone files... Anyone can help me?
[03:23] <_dennister> kgoetz: hey there :) making some progress on this thing...:)
[03:24] <dek> how can I make OpenSSH server not start at startup (that it has to be started manually after booting)?
[03:26] <kgoetz> _dennister: :)
[03:27] <_dennister> i think i have to write-up a howto for this bia**ch of a sql-ledger tho, 'cuz the documentation sucks
[03:30] <urli> hi
[03:39] <foibles> hi there
[03:39] <foibles> can someone help me mount my /dev/hda1?
[03:39] <foibles> its not doing it
[03:39] <K`zan> Anyone know what is going on with k3b?  Thought my DVD/RW had gone bad and ordered another only to find out that they both work fine with nero under wincrap :-(.
[03:39] <foibles> http://pastebin.com/m18dab21c
[03:39] <foibles> thats my fstab
[03:40] <_dennister> K`zan: i've been having probs with k3b myself, and the underlying cdrdao...i think it's a bug with the latest updates
[03:40] <_dennister> but i haven't looked it up yet
[03:41] <K`zan> _dennister: Something def wrong with some element, tried google and it was a ZOO :-(.
[03:41] <K`zan> Apparently going on for a while now :(
[03:42] <K`zan> One solution is to make and iso on a wincrap partition and use nero to burn it.  Sucks, but is better than making tgz files and sending those over.
[03:43] <_dennister> luckily i don't have to burn dvd's very often...busy working on this headless fileserver :) almost done...if i can get the bi*ch of a sql-ledger finished installing
[03:44] <K`zan> LOL, heard good things about that sql_ledger.
[03:44] <K`zan> I just use it for backups mostly.
[03:45] <_dennister> foibles: i took a look at the pastebin...does it mount at bootup?
[03:45] <K`zan> Not sure what to do, someone said the entertainment mafia paid them to screw it up, not sure I believe that though.
[03:45] <foibles> _dennister, no
[03:45] <foibles> _dennister, i have to do it manually
[03:45] <foibles> the uuid is correct
[03:45] <foibles> i just think i don't have the commands right
[03:45] <_dennister> K`zan: u heard "good" thiings"? about using it, or installing it?
[03:46] <K`zan> I always replace that uuid crap with the dev entry, works for me...
[03:46] <compilerwriter> Help Opera keeps complaining that it can't find the java plugin I have tried several things I have found online and not gotten the issue fixed.
[03:46] <K`zan> _dennister: Using it.  Got a friend down under that runs his business off it, or at least was from what I gathered.
[03:47] <K`zan> He didn't indicate a problem installing it IIRC.
[03:47] <_dennister> foibles: i see u have 'user' as an option...but uid and gid specifies you, 1000, instead of root, and root needs to mount it at bootup, but isn't allowed
[03:47] <_dennister> K`zan: who installed it for ur friend?
[03:47] <foibles> _dennister, won't that just make the whole drive only root accessable?
[03:48] <K`zan> He did, considering where he is (a million miles from anywhere :-).
[03:48] <_dennister> foibles: not quite, not if u use 'users' as the fstab option, and make sure that you have a group called users with yourself and root as part of that group
[03:49] <K`zan> Well, sigh, I guess I need to create a huge wincrap partition for creating ISOs on so I can burn them using nero :-(.
[03:49] <_dennister> K`zan: we need some better documentation than what exists for it...which distro does he use?
[03:49] <K`zan> My backups are as old as I am comfortable with them being.
[03:49] <K`zan> _dennister: gentoo last I heard.
[03:50] <dek> how can I edit the list of daemons that run at startup?
[03:50] <foibles> _dennister, isn't that default?
[03:51] <foibles> whats default uid for root again?
[03:51] <_dennister> i c...i have a working gentoo installation on my htpc upstairs, but installation, maintenance, and compilation take sooooooo long with gentoo, my isntallation hasn't had much luvin' lately
[03:51] <K`zan> foibles: 0:0
[03:52] <dwidmann> wow, so fewer interupts in hardy x86_64 ... I have it down to 135/s
[03:52] <_dennister> K`zan: could u help foibles here? i'm not the best helper in the world...i sometimes give users a bum steer, so i try to write things down rather than give live help...i forget what default is in relation to fstab options
[03:53] <untumu> hi
[03:53] <foibles> _dennister, thanks none the less
[03:54] <K`zan> _dennister: foibles: OK, what I would do is use one of the lines there hacked to the partition I want and once it mounts on boot, hack to suit...
[03:54] <K`zan> less /etc/fstab
[03:54] <foibles> K`zan, http://pastebin.com/m18dab21c
[03:55] <foibles> thats my fstab
[03:55] <dbrick> Could one of you guys tell when what i need to edit so kde wont load on start up?
[03:55] <_dennister> lol @ K`zan i don't even follow that... and i think foibles might be newbier than I :-)
[03:56] <K`zan> foibles: This is what I use for my vmware partiton, it works:  /dev/sda6               /home/vmware            ext3    defaults        0 2
[03:57] <K`zan> I own everything on that partition (me the user, not me root :-).
[03:57] <_dennister> that's better :)
[03:58] <foibles> K`zan, so just put default?
[03:58] <foibles> and the 2 option
[03:58] <foibles> _dennister, i concur with your statements
[03:58] <dbrick> anyone?
[03:58] <K`zan> Be aware that there is something strange with ubuntu where sometimes it will not mount on boot and other times it appears not to mount, but it is actually mounted.
[03:58] <K`zan> Yes.  Confusing :).
[03:59] <K`zan> defaults works fine for me and the 0 2 is just the sequence to check the drive.
[03:59] <K`zan> IIRC :)
[03:59] <foibles> K`zan, ill try it
[04:00] <K`zan> Good luck with it, make sure you mod it to what partition and type you want to mount.
[04:00] <foibles> K`zan, what exactly do you mean by "mod"
[04:01] <K`zan> change the /dev/sda6 and ext3 to whatever partition and type you have.
[04:01] <foibles> K`zan, ah, right
[04:01] <K`zan>   /dev/hda1               /media/hda1            ext3    defaults        0 2
[04:02] <K`zan> I think :-)
[04:02] <K`zan> make sure /media/hda1 exists...
[04:03] <Frederick> folks have anyone here ever used hibernate relational persistence for java in ubuntu? isnt there a package for it?
[04:05] <MrJoey> Where do I find the list for the major and minor to supply for mknod ?
[04:06] <K`zan> I always look at those values in /dev :-)
[04:06] <foibles> K`zan, it exists
[04:06] <K`zan> after you put it in fstab and save it, try: mount /media/hda1 and see what happens
[04:07] <Frederick> folks is it my impression or tghe last kubuntu is releasing a lot of new packages updates everyday?
[04:07] <Frederick> I have like 98 ackages to updare and ive update like 4 days ago
[04:08] <K`zan> Frederick: Sometimes it happens like that...
[04:09] <pleasethankyou> how can i install nvidia driver in ubuntu from the offcial and latest one?
[04:10] <TeslaTony>  pleasethankyou: NVidia usually has them available for download off their website
[04:11] <K`zan> Night folks!
[04:12] <pleasethankyou> TeslaTony yes but it tells me excuses like i have to log into terminal 3 or soemthing and no x allowed while insalling
[04:17] <lanoxx> whats the name of that handy tool to view diskpsace usage on ubuntu, can i install it on kubuntu?
[04:18] <ere4si> I just use   df -h   in konsole
[04:18] <foibles> df -h is very handy indeed
[04:18] <foibles> as is locate
[04:18] <foibles> something i didn't know existed for the longest time
[04:18] <lanoxx> df -h |sort -n is better
[04:18] <foibles> anyone else have any handy commands they want to confess to?
[04:18] <lanoxx> still sometimes a gui makes things a bit handier
[04:28]  * DOOM_NX good morning all! :)
[04:29] <pleasethankyou> i want to isntall latest nivdia but it tells me excuses like i have to log into terminal 3 or something and no x allowed while installing
[04:36] <Woxdee> I have a directory on an NTFS partiton I have write permission to, named "Torrent downloaded from demonoid.com.txt", which I can't delete nor rename, I just get "no such file/directory" when I try.  How can I get it deleted?
[04:37] <pat5star> Woxdee: are you escaping the spaces?
[04:38] <Woxdee> Yessir, even tried 'rm -Rf *' both within and outside the directory it resides in.
[04:38] <Woxdee> Equally undoable from a GUI file commander.
[04:39] <pat5star> Woxdee: I'm not sure then, I don't work with ntfs much, hopefully someone else can help
[04:40] <Woxdee> hai
[04:41] <ere4si> Woxdee: in that dir do   ls    then copy/paste the file as ls shows it, put quotes around it, then   sudo rm -f it
[04:42] <foibles> hah
[04:42] <foibles> "Mac: the worlds most advanced operating system is here!"
[04:42] <foibles> good jeezus, lets all get a mac, it must be true!
[04:43] <Woxdee> ere4si: Already tried that, just gives "no such file or directory"
[04:44] <TeslaTony> foibles: Are they backing that statement up with anything?
[04:44] <Woxdee> hehe.  Mac even outdoes microsoft when it comes to hyping it's products.
[04:44] <foibles> TeslaTony, only the "hi im a pc, im a mac" advertisement
[04:44] <foibles> i can't stand mac
[04:44] <foibles> its very hard for me to use
[04:44] <TeslaTony> foibles: Because right now I'm seeing the first episode of Space Invader Zim: "It's advanced!"
[04:45] <pat5star> foibles: I love those commercials tho, they were brilliant :)
[04:45] <foibles> TeslaTony, heh
[04:46] <Woxdee> haha
[04:46] <TeslaTony> I rather like Macintosh. Apple has yet to make a claim (directly) that wasn't completely untrue. Their fanbase, on the other hand...
[04:46] <foibles> to the non-technical person ill bet all the flash really does make it amazing
[04:46] <TeslaTony> My problem with Mac is that their computers don't do what I need them to
[04:46] <Woxdee> hmm...  I should correct my statement; they're the king of creating a hyped-up fanbase.
[04:46] <TeslaTony> Hyped-up? That's all?
[04:47] <TeslaTony> I was thinking "Foaming at the mouth and probably rabid"
[04:47] <pat5star> I'm afraid to buy a mac. everyone I know that owns one has become diehard obsessive about them, I don't want to turn into an apple zombie :)
[04:48]  * pat5star is the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to linux
[04:49] <TeslaTony> Yeah...scary thing about Linux users and being fanatics is that they frequently have facts to back them up...
[04:52] <Woxdee> What I hear more than anything fromt the macnatics is that they're 1) pretty, and 2) streamlined and tend to do everything for you.
[04:52] <TeslaTony> Which works for my parents rather nicely
[04:54] <Woxdee> Well, ever since they switched to posix-based OSX I have to admit they've become slightly alluring...
[04:55] <TeslaTony> I'm a huge fan of having lots of available choices
[04:55] <Woxdee> Yeah.
[04:55] <family> hey
[04:55] <TeslaTony> Know your application, then apply the right hardware/software solution
[04:56] <TeslaTony> family: Jo
[04:56] <family> hey
[04:56] <Woxdee> hey
[04:56] <family> how is everybody doing  tonight?
[04:56] <Woxdee> Goooood.
[04:57] <Woxdee> As far as this segment of everyone goes.
[04:57] <TeslaTony> We were about to have our ritual sacrifice of a goat to the great god Foss
[04:57] <TeslaTony> Care to join?
[04:57] <family> this unduntu had to be the easiest install i have ever done.
[04:57] <Woxdee> The goat food gawd.
[04:57] <TeslaTony> we're having goatburgers afterwards
[04:57] <family> nice - lol
[04:57]  * TeslaTony laughs
[04:57] <Woxdee> goat-cheese goat burgers
[04:58] <TeslaTony> I was having a lot of fun looking stuff up and talking to people while installing my OS...the LiveCD is fantastic
[04:58] <family> wooly burgers - lol
[04:59] <family> what distro are you running - kunbuntu ? unbuntu?
[04:59] <TeslaTony> Hrm...goat patty...feta cheese...yoghurt..cucumber...olives...this may be a smash hit!
[04:59] <family> lol
[05:00] <TeslaTony> I'm running Ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package installed (so, essentially, a chimera)
[05:00] <Woxdee> Odd as it may seem, it does sound good.
[05:00] <family> yep sure does.
[05:01] <family> is  it the gutsy gibbon?
[05:01] <family> WTF  man remove your nick - your just asking for issues
[05:01] <TeslaTony> You know what one of the big things that got me hooked on Linux was? Krecipes. It is hands down the best recipe manager I have ever run across...including a few that you have to pay a good amount of money for
[05:02] <Woxdee> whot..
[05:02] <family> lol
[05:02] <family> so we have a chef
[05:02] <Woxdee> I thought I knew all the cool kde-applications there was to know for me.
[05:02] <Woxdee> I have to see this.
[05:02] <TeslaTony> If you like cooking, try it
[05:02] <family> hey chef how many primary elements are there?
[05:03] <TeslaTony> I used it to manage catering a wedding
[05:03] <Woxdee> Already installing it.
[05:03] <family> oh no man my suse distro has these apps beat hands down - but  this seems to be pretty clean i noticed the amarok is back - dont like  that sound app.
[05:04] <Woxdee> Oooo
[05:04] <Woxdee> Nutrient info import function.
[05:05] <TeslaTony> One part that's really nice is if you want to make a particular menu--say chicken soup, ceasar salad, rice pudding, eggplant parmesan and fruit punch--you can tell it to make a shopping list
[05:05] <pleaseandthankyo> can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?
[05:05] <Woxdee> pleaseandthankyo: You could have them all on the same machine, but installing them simultaneously might be very tricky ;)
[05:06] <TeslaTony> Before you export the list, though, you tell it which ingredients you already have, and it lets you remove them from the list
[05:06] <matt1728> does anyone know how to make the K-Menu transparent?
[05:06] <Woxdee> nice.
[05:06] <Daisuke_Ido> not tricky, just install each -desktop package
[05:06] <Daisuke_Ido> xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, etc
[05:06] <family> not usually a good idea to install o/s 's at same time but if your actually asking about a dual boot - it should work but you might run into issues.
[05:06] <Woxdee> Oh, I thought he meant installing them as seperate os'es.
[05:07] <pleaseandthankyo> why doesn't everyone do that
[05:07] <TeslaTony> pleasedanthankyou: Yes you can, I've done it, but xfce has some issues with gnome because of using different video rendering engines. If you want to keep it to KDE/Gnome, that seems to be OK, because that's what I have now
[05:07] <family> anyone know how to init the samba service on the gutsy gibbon  7.10   to see a  win partition ?
[05:08] <pleaseandthankyo> TeslaTony so installed xbuntu and edubuntu how can both use kde?
[05:08] <Odd-rationale> Could someone help me with dynamic dns? I have an account at dyndns.com but I'm not sure I know how to use it...
[05:09] <family> sure man all you need to do is to  put in the IP of  the machine where your putting up your web server.
[05:09] <family> night all have to crash - peace out - later!
[05:09] <Woxdee> matt1728: Go to System Settings, click Appearance, go to Style and enter the 'Effects' tab.  From there you can choose 'Menu Effect' and set it to 'make translucent'.
[05:09] <Woxdee> nite family
[05:10] <Odd-rationale> family: I thought you were going to help me... :( J/K!
[05:10] <michael> anyone have experience with wine + gecko?
[05:11] <Woxdee> matt1728: Not that Compiz has a better way of making menus transparent, so if you're going to use that you should disable KDE's way of doing it.
[05:11] <Woxdee> michael: Some with wine.
[05:11] <michael> There seems to be some recent problem, where once you run wine gecko www.whatever.com
[05:12] <michael> it leaves the gecko window up, blank, doing nothing, it's frozen
[05:12] <michael> So when I either run the command again, or use Steam (which depends on gecko for emulated browsing capabilities) I get blank pages/crashing
[05:12] <TeslaTony> Woxdee: I'm using the KDE menu transparencies with Compiz with little to no trouble right now...although getting Compiz to behave last night was a headache...
[05:12] <Woxdee> heh, tell me about headache..  I have an ATI card :p
[05:13] <TeslaTony> Owwwww...
[05:13] <tomahasamoot> I'm expirmenting with CrossOver Games, and it tells me that my nVidia driver is out of date... but there's no newer driver in apt-get
[05:13] <tomahasamoot> should I try to get an update from nVidia?
[05:13] <michael> I never use apt-get for nvidia drivers
[05:13] <Woxdee> michael: Really hard to say what the issue is, as I don't use Gecko.  But when it comes to wine, functionality is still a bit of a gamble.
[05:13] <michael> you have to use the nvidia blob from their website
[05:14] <tomahasamoot> michael: so what do you sugest?
[05:14] <ubuntu> hello, everybody
[05:14] <Woxdee> 'lo ubuntu
[05:14] <tomahasamoot> michael: does it work well?
[05:14] <michael> @toma, you need a bit of experience, but using the binary blob from Nvidia, you can run just about anything
[05:14] <Woxdee> TeslaTony: Thanks for pointing it out to me, this program is a bulls-eye.
[05:14] <ubuntu> I am installing kubuntu8.04 from disk now.
[05:14] <michael> I personally need it to run Team Fortress 2, and things that require REAL 3D acceleration
[05:15] <michael> @toma, It works perfect, but it's not problem free :\
[05:15] <michael> , once you get it working
[05:15] <ubuntu> and it's 87% now , I'm execting.
[05:15] <Woxdee> ..you can get Steam working in Wine now?
[05:15] <michael> Steam works 100%
[05:15] <TeslaTony> I've been hearing about steam for a while now
[05:16] <michael> I'm having problems with Gecko (needed to use Steam's built in browser"
[05:16] <michael> )*
[05:16] <michael> The winehq channel doesn't have anyone active currently...
[05:17] <michael> I take that back, steam doesn't work perfectly, it always detects your pointer about 8 to 10 pixels above where it actually is
[05:17] <michael> making navigating steam a huge headache
[05:17] <Woxdee> hehe
[05:17] <michael> It's a piece of rubbish as it is, this just makes it worse. :\
[05:17] <Woxdee> hahaha
[05:17] <Woxdee> So we've gone from 100% to "rubbish" ;p
[05:18] <michael> Hahaha...
[05:18] <michael> well
[05:18] <michael> Workability
[05:18] <michael> 80%
[05:18] <michael> Program design and speed
[05:18] <michael> rubbish'
[05:18] <Woxdee> hm, yeah
[05:18] <Woxdee> It's slow even in Windows for me.
[05:18] <TeslaTony> Quick question: Does anyone have a quick link or suggestion for upnp?
[05:19] <TeslaTony> I want to get upnp up and running for my xbox and archos 605
[05:19] <Woxdee> er.. lemme see, I was doing read-up on upnp a while back.
[05:19] <TeslaTony> Bonus points if it includes something that lets me access it over the internet, but that might be a different problem
[05:19] <Woxdee> meh, I obviously left that bookmark folder on my trashed partition.
[05:20] <ubuntu> year, it's 98% now, later I will have kubuntu8.04 beta.
[05:20] <michael> That's what I wanted to ask
[05:20] <michael> if ... Hardy Heron? is out
[05:20] <michael> or what it's final release date is?
[05:21] <ubuntu> soon
[05:21] <ere4si> late april
[05:21] <ubuntu> I install from disk, not from CD.
[05:21] <michael> apt-get dist-upgrade, I assume?
[05:21] <TeslaTony> Sweet. How's 8.04 looking so far?
[05:21] <ubuntu> No, I download a iso file
[05:22] <ubuntu> bye, I reboot now.
[05:23] <michael> Anyone else use KDE 4 yet?
[05:23] <jujimufu> hello
[05:24] <Woxdee> michael: I've tried ;)
[05:24] <jujimufu> I have Gutsy installed, how do I upgrade to the beta version of Hurdy without re-installing kubuntu?
[05:24] <michael> I hated KDE4, it was really wonky
[05:24] <michael> I didn't use it more than like twice, but I didn't like it while I did
[05:25] <Odd-rationale> michael: I holding on to kde3. But kde4 does look promising. maybe in 8.10 or 9.04 the latest.
[05:25] <Woxdee> heh
[05:25] <Woxdee> yeah
[05:26] <michael> @Odd, I have high hopes for it, but it seemed equally as confusing as vista to use
[05:26] <Woxdee> I know the arguments for it are good, but I still think it was a mistake to call it 4.0
[05:26] <Woxdee> It's not stable or finished.
[05:26] <michael> Yeah
[05:26] <michael> I didn't like how it behaved
[05:26] <michael> it still felt unusable
[05:26] <Woxdee> And a lot of basic stuff, like simple configuration settings for heaps of things, was missing last I checked.
[05:26] <Odd-rationale> michael: or unused to it... ;)
[05:26] <Woxdee> Looks very promising, though, I'll say that.
[05:27] <Woxdee> I haven't used it since the first two weeks after the 4.0 release, though.  Perhaps it's come ahead since.
[05:27] <michael> @Odd, indeed, like all good interfaces, things take getting used to
[05:27] <Odd-rationale> I still like kde better than gnome. But that is my opinion. I've heard of people swithing de because of kde4.
[05:28] <TeslaTony> How much of the trouble with KDE4 comes from a) interface changes, and b) software not being up to speed just yet?
[05:28] <michael> @Odd, gah, sounds like Windows Vista all over again. Blech
[05:28] <michael> @Tony 80% from interface changes
[05:28] <michael> I remember I couldn't figure how to delete things from the desktop
[05:28] <michael> it would like remove the icon
[05:28] <michael> but it would be back on reboot
[05:29] <michael> and it had this ridiculous looking box around it
[05:29] <Woxdee> My biggest problem with the interfaces wasn't that they'd changed, but that they weren't near finished and basic things simply couldn't be used on anything but a curious basis (konqueror, the panel, etc.).
[05:29] <Odd-rationale> phonon, solid, akonadi, and all those other goods stuff do seem quite an imrpovement.
[05:30] <michael> @Odd, KDE is still one of my favorite interfaces of all time, it's really easy.
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> And I really like that I can (will be) able to use my favorite kde apps on any OS - Mac, Windows, etc
[05:30] <michael> when I got 7.10 here working in Kubby, Dolphin blwe my mind, I love it to death
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> michael: I still liked konq...
[05:31] <michael> @Odd, Konq felt a bit... Explorerish, to me
[05:31] <michael> With Dolphin, all the places I go the most are on the side, and I LOVE that relevant options are on the right
[05:32] <matt1728> do dolphins bookmarks crash for you?
[05:32] <michael> Absoutely
[05:32] <michael> fixed by doing
[05:32] <michael> sudo chmod 777 -R /home/whatever/.k3........
[05:32] <matt1728> ahh nice
[05:32] <michael> and making the bookmark location accessible
[05:33] <michael> I see something about permissions that's harmless, I change it
[05:33] <michael> Starting with slackware teaches you a lot : \
[05:33] <matt1728> nice'
[05:33] <matt1728> is it hard to use?
[05:33] <michael> Weird, since it JUST started happening to me, I had no idea why, but I slapped it in it's crashing face.
[05:33] <michael> Slackware, from what I hear, is a veteran linux
[05:34] <michael> I spent most of my time in the command lnie
[05:34] <michael> line*
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> michael: I used arch linux for a while.
[05:34] <michael> @Odd, is arch tough?  I've only seen the name.
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> With slackware, do you have to find all the deps yourself?
[05:34] <michael> You
[05:34] <michael> Bet.
[05:35] <michael> Dependency hell, I ate that for breakfast, lunch and dinner
[05:35] <TeslaTony> Isn't Gentoo pretty bad about that, too?
[05:36] <michael> @Tesla for the most part, Gentoo blew up my computer every time I tried
[05:36] <Odd-rationale> michael: Not hard to use at all. It has a nice package manager (pacman) which is why I chose to use it over slackware. It is very fast and small. And has a nice community.
[05:36] <jujimufu> pacman is pretty nice
[05:36] <michael> @Odd, that's awesome, Kubby is still my favorite by far.
[05:36] <jujimufu> gentoo takes ages to install big packages (try kde), since emerge compiles everything from scratch
[05:36] <jujimufu> I've tried a LOT of distros, but not Slackware
[05:36] <Odd-rationale> michael: arch also have their own kde called kdemod
[05:36] <michael> Yeah, gentoo... I like that everything is from scratch
[05:37] <jujimufu> but it takes ages
[05:37] <michael> Hold on, gotta test out TF2 real quick
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> aptitude > pacman, imo
[05:37] <jujimufu> and too much time editing config files and configuring everything to your system
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> One of these days I'll try LFS
[05:37] <jujimufu> haha :P
[05:37] <jujimufu> LFS seems like a hell of a difficult thing to do
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> when i have plenty of time to kill....
[05:37] <jujimufu> and takes a lot of knowledge and time
[05:38] <jujimufu> heh, yeah
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> jujimufu: Yeah. Might spend more time actually reading the manuals.
[05:38] <TeslaTony> Yeah. I wanted to try Gentoo out, because it sounds like a great system for a server or a workstation, but I'm constantly installing new packages and trying stuff out on my system, and I don't need THAT much performance (2gb corsair ram, 2ghz core 2 duo and GeForce 8800...to surf the web)
[05:39] <jujimufu> Odd-rationale: I sure did, when I was installing Gentoo a few years ago
[05:39] <jujimufu> Odd-rationale: it was a period I was going for optimisation, and I initially wanted to head for LFS, but after finally managing to install Gentoo, I said "no. way." and after having gentoo for a few months, I switched to something less hardcore
[05:40] <Odd-rationale> jujimufu: Have you tried sabayon. It is suppose to be to Gentoo what Ubuntu is to Debain.
[05:41] <kgoetz> much bloatier? :p
[05:41] <Odd-rationale> kgoetz: That part of it...
[05:44] <Woxdee> Sabayon is pretty good.
[05:44] <Woxdee> Used to be my favourite.
[05:44] <Woxdee> But yeah... bloated.
[05:45] <Odd-rationale> My top three distros are k/Ubuntu, Arch Linux, and Puppy Linux. In that order.
[05:45] <Woxdee> And much though I loved the idea of compiling binaries from source for optimized performance, I think that'll be for any server I set up.  On a desktop it just gets really cumbersome when you want to try out lots of software.
[05:47] <TeslaTony> My complaint exactly
[05:47] <TeslaTony> Any system that you set up and leave, though, it sounds great
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> anyways. I gotta go to sleep. see you all later!
[05:48] <kgoetz> later
[05:53] <Woxdee> Me too.
[05:53] <Woxdee> Peace unto ye, folks.
[05:54] <cpk1> anyone know how to configure dhcpd to hand out two different netblocks on one interface so I can have trusted IP's and untrusted IP's? would I simply just have 192.168.1.2-30 be one zone and 192.168.1.40-60 be another zone
[05:54] <Darkrift2> anyone know if any really unique looking themes? I want something that is really different and ive been browsing kde-look for a while now without finding anything
[05:56] <kgoetz> cpk1: yes
[05:56] <cpk1> compiling everything like gentoo doesnt really add all that much iirc...
[05:56] <cpk1> kgoetz: ok thanks, thats simple enough =)
[05:57] <kgoetz> cpk1: at worst you'll have to add a virtual interface :) but i doubt it will come to that
[05:57] <cpk1> now I need to see if I can make a disallowed list and assign ips based on that, I dont want to block people trying to steal my net, just mess with them =P
[05:58] <kgoetz> cpk1: you'd have static asignments for people you know (by mac addy) and then 'other'
[05:58] <calcmandan> hey yall
[05:58] <Firefishe> Hello, everyone.  Good evening :)
[05:59] <calcmandan> hi firefishe
[05:59] <ritalin> hai2u
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[05:59] <ritalin> in the x11 display manager should be an option
[05:59] <Firefishe> hi calcmandan
[05:59] <ritalin> when you login
[05:59] <calcmandan> oh riddell is here
[06:00] <pleaseandthankyo> ritalin only qubuntu and gnome option
[06:00] <ritalin> hmm no clue then
[06:00] <ritalin> you can manually add them though
[06:01] <cpk1> kgoetz: well ideally I would want 3 "zones" statically assigned people who are always allowed to use the network, then guests with limited access and then people I want to mess with
[06:01] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: you wont see a 'gobuntu' option.
[06:01] <pleaseandthankyo> kgoetz so how do i load goubuntu?
[06:01] <kgoetz> cpk1: you seperate full access/partial access via firewall rules :)
[06:01] <ritalin> its probally just a package of mobile tools
[06:01] <ritalin> you dont "run"
[06:02] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: you dont. its a metapackage.
[06:02] <kgoetz> ritalin: actually its the 'free' ubuntu
[06:02] <ritalin> o
[06:02] <Firefishe> I'm running Feisty Fawn, 2.6.20-15-generic kernel.  I'm having kind of an annoying issue with my Broadcom 4306 chipset in my laptop.  I keep having to remove the bcm43xx-fwcutter package, reinstall it, then reload the firmware drivers from the winXX files to get the card to work.  Is there any way around this?
[06:02] <ritalin> heh
[06:02] <ritalin> its all free!
[06:02] <ritalin> free beer style
[06:02] <kgoetz> !gobuntu | ritalin
[06:02] <ubotu> ritalin: gobuntu is a freedom-focused flavour of Ubuntu intended for experienced Linux enthusiasts. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/gobuntu for more information and download mirrors..
[06:02] <kgoetz> oh nice. not even "GNU/Linux" in the factoid *heh*
[06:03] <cpk1> kgoetz: yes, but wouldnt it make my job easier if I could just tell iptables what to do with each range?
[06:03] <Firefishe> ritalin?  obscure a.d.d. reference? ) hee
[06:03] <kgoetz> cpk1: sure.
[06:03] <ritalin> heh not so obscure but yeah
[06:03] <kgoetz> cpk1: you can have (aiui) as many ranges as you want. its just where you stick the ip address and mac thats the question :)
[06:03] <ritalin> i used to take it as a kid
[06:04] <kgoetz> cpk1: i suggest doing something like putting each ranges macs in their own file (eg # list of laptops
[06:04] <kgoetz> include "/etc/ltsp/laptopList";
[06:04] <kgoetz> )
[06:04] <cpk1> ohhh, didnt know I could do that
[06:05] <cpk1> that would clean up dhcpd.conf a bit
[06:05] <kgoetz> mneptok: wb... didnt know you lurked here
[06:05] <kgoetz> cpk1: its awsome :D
[06:05] <ritalin> kde4 rocks
[06:05]  * ritalin plays with it
[06:05] <mneptok> kgoetz: wait ... where am i?!
[06:05] <kgoetz> mneptok: hehe. kubuntu
[06:06] <kgoetz> ritalin: its interesting seeing different peoples reactions to kde4
[06:06] <mneptok> kgoetz: THREE OR FOUR?! *panic*
[06:06]  * kgoetz grin
[06:06] <kgoetz> mneptok: 3.67!
[06:06] <mneptok> ohno. the future again.
[06:06] <mneptok> i hope i'm not a woman in this one.
[06:07] <kgoetz> heh. just gota  terrible pain in all the diodes down your left side?
[06:07] <ritalin> lol
[06:07] <ritalin> ziggy says theres a 2.4% chance you could be hit by a car mneptok
[06:08] <ritalin> i bet ziggy ran kubuntu
[06:08] <cpk1> kgoetz: and the include just needs to be thrown into dhcpd.conf and only includes the host arguments for each client?
[06:09] <kgoetz> cpk1: if i understand your question correctly, ye :)
[06:09] <mneptok> ritalin: "could be?"
[06:12] <TeslaTony> How do I find my own IP address?
[06:12] <kgoetz> ifconfig
[06:16] <TeslaTony> anyone here familiar with gnump3d?
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> a little bit
[06:18] <TeslaTony> It will make my collection available over the internet, correct?
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> as far as finding your own *external* ip, check something like whatismyip.com (ifconfig will show your internal IP)
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> TeslaTony, if configured to, yes
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> though honestly, you're better with something like fish, if you're just accessing your music from elsewhere
[06:22] <TeslaTony> Why fish over gnump3d?
[06:22] <martinjh99> Allo
[06:22] <nixternal> TeslaTony: mt-daapd
[06:23] <martinjh99> Does anyone have a way of setting up Thunderbird to run Firefox when clicking on links in a mail message?
[06:23] <nixternal> that is what I use...it is the same type of server that iTunes uses for sharing...pretty easy to setup and configure
[06:23]  * Daisuke_Ido raises an eyebrow
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to have to check that out
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought gnump3d was just awful
[06:23] <nixternal> I can't live w/o my mt-daapd server
[06:23] <nixternal> and even iTunes machines see it
[06:23] <nixternal> and I think Rythmbox does as well...Amarok works fine with it
[06:27] <TeslaTony> Does mt-daapd have support for upnp within the same network?
[06:27] <TeslaTony> I.e. can I use my xbox on it?
[06:27] <nixternal> if you X-Box can see an iTunes setup, than yes
[06:27] <peter__> hello
[06:27] <nixternal> TeslaTony: http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/
[06:27] <nixternal> more info there on it
[06:27] <TeslaTony> Hrm...good question
[06:28] <martinjh99> Nix will daapd go from a normal linux server to a xbox360 without having Itunes?
[06:28] <nixternal> I am not familiar with upnp at all
[06:28] <peter__> what is a good dvd back up
[06:29] <TeslaTony> Y'know, iTunes can stream to a 360
[06:29] <nixternal> Firefly == mt-daapd btw..so you can easily apt-get install mt-daapd
[06:29] <Daisuke_Ido> as i understand it, if the 360 can pick up an itunes server, it should pick this up
[06:30] <Erickj92> what is a good uptime meter for kubuntu?
[06:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Erickj92, go to a terminal and type "uptime"
[06:30] <Erickj92> ahh that works even better
[06:30] <martinjh99> Just wondering actually as one of these days I'll get enough disc space in the server at home to put some music on it...
[06:30] <Erickj92> thanks
[06:30] <martinjh99> Does anyone have a way of setting up Thunderbird to run Firefox when clicking on links in a mail message?
[06:30] <Daisuke_Ido> nearly 50 days right now -_-
[06:30] <nixternal> quote from Firefly forums:  "I connect to mt-daapd on several boxes, ranging from a XP pc, a PPC G4 Mac (iBook G4/Quicsilver) and an xbox with XBMC.
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> XBMC isn't quite the same thing though
[06:31] <nixternal> martinjh99: is it launching konqueror now?
[06:32] <martinjh99> Nix it's not launching anything at all.  I set the preferred apps to Thunderbird for mail and Firefox  for the web but nothing seems to be happening
[06:33] <nixternal> hrmm, that is what I was going to have you look at, but since you have been there done that, I really don't know...I don't use any Mozilla products, so I won't be of much help
[06:33] <martinjh99> :) Hey no worries I'll have to do some googling or go back to Gnome where it all just works!  I'd prefer KDE though
[06:34] <nixternal> you prefer thunderbird over Kontact/KMail?
[06:34] <nixternal> last I tried Thunderbird it was as bloated as its browser counterpart
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm just guessing you're NOT a fan of flock :P
[06:35] <lanoxx__> what means this error: sh: /sbin/lrm-video: not found
[06:35] <lanoxx__> its from modprobe nvidia
[06:35] <martinjh99> Yup - To be honest never tried KMail - Only thing is having to recreate a load of email filters...  Is there a way to take Thunderbird filters and translate them into KMail filters?
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> why are you manually loading the nvidia driver?
[06:35] <nixternal> martinjh99: found something
[06:35] <nixternal> add this -> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox");
[06:36] <martinjh99> To Thunderbird where?
[06:36] <nixternal> to this -> ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ whatever that weird string is in the file 'user.js'
[06:36] <nixternal> after that, restart tbird if it is open
[06:37] <martinjh99> If its not there I create the file yes?
[06:37] <nixternal> should look something like ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/A903AE580.default
[06:37] <nixternal> martinjh99: yes, create the user.js
[06:38] <nixternal> and if you are using Firefox 3, then the location should be /usr/bin/firefox-3.0
[06:38] <nixternal> if you are on hardy, don't think ff3 has been backported to gutsy at all
[06:40] <martinjh99> Not on Hardy yet... ;)  Will probably be when its released...
[06:41] <martinjh99> Didn't work - Closed and restarted TB and its not doing anything...
[06:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:41] <fl4sh> .
[06:41] <martinjh99> Yeah my thoughts exactly... ;) I'll google it I think bound to be a page out there...
[06:42] <nixternal> martinjh99: is Firefox at /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox or /usr/bin/firefox?
[06:42] <martinjh99> Neither - just checked.
[06:43] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:43] <mangla> hi dudes
[06:43] <nixternal> well, you need to find out where your firefox executable is and change the location in urser.js accordingly
[06:44] <kgoetz> martinjh99: type 'fire' and press tab a few times
[06:44] <kgoetz> (in konsole)
[06:44] <kgoetz> does it complete?
[06:44] <martinjh99> Actually there is a firefox in /usr/bin which points to the same file in /usr/lib/firefox
[06:45] <martinjh99> and it does complete...
[06:45] <kgoetz> martinjh99: now put 'which' in front of it and run the command
[06:46] <martinjh99> v /usr/bin/firefox is what comes back
[06:47] <martinjh99> Had to put the v in front as Konversation tried to run it...
[07:47] <apparle> Is the KDE4 not going to be shipped in hardy CDs
[07:48] <jussi01> !khardy
[07:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 4 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported.
[07:49] <apparle> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu
[07:49] <apparle> jussi01: release for KDE4 is not available through CD
[07:49] <apparle> jussi01: release for KDE4 is not available through shipit CD
[07:50] <jussi01> apparle: Im reading...
[07:50] <jussi01> apparle: I will check it with Riddell
[07:50] <apparle> who is Riddell
[07:52] <jussi01> apparle: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr
[07:52] <jussi01> He is the Kubuntu lead.
[07:52] <hellhound> how would i configure my xorg.conf for two monitors and two graphics cards?
[07:53] <jussi01> !dualhead | hellhound
[07:53] <ubotu> hellhound: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[07:54] <apparle> jussi01: Release available through CDs for groups who need it (ie. LoCo teams, conference teams, etc.) What does it mean
[07:56] <hellhound> jussi01: ok that is great I know know what it is called but that link or the Xinerama link did not provide any how to information or xorg.conf examples
[07:58] <jussi01> hellhound: this one is much better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[07:59] <jussi01> apparle: I can read. :) Just that it is a wiki, and the person writing it is not always correct, so I will see clarification.
[08:02] <hellhound> jussi01: thank you ... it mentions that if I have nVidia than I should use TwinView but it also seems that TwinView is for one card split across two monitors.... but it does not mention what to do with two graphics cards and its examples only refer to one card
[08:03] <apparle> jussi01: I am asking what does that line mean, not that you have not read it
[08:03] <jussi01> hellhound: ok, Ive never done it with 2 cards, so Im not sure how to help you with that.
[08:04] <jussi01> apparle: whats written in the wiki means that certain groups will have cd's made for them. I local teams and so on
[08:07] <DarkriftX>  01:07:06 up 23:51, load average: 0.27, 0.15, 0.10
[08:07] <DarkriftX> lol, not bad for a handheld :S
[08:07] <apparle> jussi01: thanks, I'm so worried about shipit because I don't have net at home and am waiting for hardy to try out KDE4. Anyways I will come to know when Hardy is released. It will be released next month, isn't it??
[08:08] <jussi01> apparle: yes, on the 24th is the schedule
[08:09] <apparle> jussi01:  :( My exams will start from 21st. Which will be the next version after Hardy, I mean 8.xx??
[08:09] <jussi01> !intrepid
[08:09] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[08:10] <emilsedgh> oh
[08:11] <apparle> Can I upgrade from a shipit CD??
[08:11] <Darkrift2> how do i set firefox as my default browser so links clicked open in firefox and not konq?
[08:11] <emilsedgh> DarkriftX: System Settings->Advanced->Default Applications (i think)
[08:12] <emilsedgh> ah!
[08:12] <emilsedgh> Darkrift2: ^
[08:12] <emilsedgh> Kubuntu Interpid will really rock! with KDE 4.1.2 probably
[08:14] <Darkrift2> nice, ty
[08:14] <apparle> Can I upgrade from a shipit CD??.
[08:14] <Jucato> emilsedgh: or 4.2?
[08:14] <emilsedgh> apparle: no, you could upgrade from a alternate disc
[08:14] <Jucato> emilsedgh: ah nvm
[08:15]  * Jucato isn't sane
[08:15] <emilsedgh> Jucato: 4.2? no i dont think so, how much time we have until Interpid? about 7 months, right?
[08:15] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I was thinking Intrepid = 9.04 :P
[08:15] <emilsedgh> 4.2 will come in about a year
[08:15] <emilsedgh> oh
[08:15] <emilsedgh> hehe
[08:16] <emilsedgh> 4.1->4.2 will be more than 6 months, between 7-9 months is planned i think
[08:16] <jussi01> Jucato: go to bed!
[08:17] <Jucato> just woke up...
[08:17] <Jucato> emilsedgh: the plan is a 4.x release every 6 months, and a 4.x.x every month... let's see if this happens :)
[08:18] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no no, 4.x is planned for 7-9 months, with just 4,1 as exception of 6 months iirc
[08:18] <apparle> Can I get an alternate CD from shpit
[08:19] <Jucato> apparle: nope
[08:20] <apparle> So I don't have any other option to update other than by downloading a CD image
[08:20] <emilsedgh> isnt there any plan to ship DVD's through shipit? that would be awesome
[08:21] <apparle> emilsedgh: ya that would be AWESOME 8-)
[08:22] <Jucato> that would be... but c'mon guys.. don't get spoiled :P
[08:22] <emilsedgh> apparle: btw i think you could order DVD's from stores...
[08:22] <apparle> I can't afford DVDs every 6 months
[08:23] <apparle> and I don't like OLD version
[08:23] <emilsedgh> apparle: their cheap, a few dollars
[08:23] <neville> Aren't they like $8AUD?
[08:23] <neville> Even I can afford that :P
[08:23] <apparle> I am student and I don't earn money
[08:24] <neville> Yes, so am I
[08:24] <emilsedgh> i prefer the money that goes to shipit, goes to some good advertisement (but not on ubuntu, just on kubuntu) :P
[08:24] <neville> :P
[08:26] <apparle> bye guys. Will talk to you later
[08:30] <windows_was> hello
[08:32] <jussi01> !nickspam > windows_was
[08:32] <neville> What is nickspam
[08:33] <Jucato> neville: /msg ubotu to see
[08:33] <jussi01> !nickspam > neville
[08:33] <jussi01> :)
[08:33] <neville> Ahh
[08:33] <needhelp> hi i've got a lzh file..how to uncompress in kubuntu?
[08:33] <neville> Ta ;)
[08:36] <drif> needhelp: tried installing lha first, then using context menu of kde?
[08:39] <needhelp> ohhhhh lha
[08:39] <needhelp> can its uncompressed thanks
[08:40] <needhelp> any .dbf viewers for kubuntu?
[08:40] <needhelp> !dbf
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dbf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <drif> needhelp: dbase?
[08:41] <jussi01> !info dbview
[08:42] <jussi01> !info dbview
[08:42] <jussi01> hrm
[08:48] <cladera> Hi ALL
[08:49] <cladera> I have a problem on my Kubuntu server..
[08:49] <cladera> The keyboard is delay when I type of press the keY.
[08:50] <cladera> May can have a advice from all here.
[08:53] <Jd0gg> aside from Konversation is there any other irc client worth using, i'm on XChat right now, i don't really like BitchX.
[08:54] <cpk1> kopete does irc if you already use that for other protocols
[08:54] <Jucato> depends on what you consider "worth using". there's KSirc (unmaintained...), KVirc, Kopete, Pidgin, etc
[08:54] <cpk1> gaim also does irc
[08:55] <Jucato> cpk1: pidgin == gaim
[08:55] <drif> irssi ;)
[08:55] <jussi01> irssi ftw!
[08:55] <cpk1> oh, oops
[08:55] <Jucato> any problem you're having with konversation?
[08:56] <Jd0gg> just looking for a client that can manage multiple server connections and multiple channels real well, decent color scheme, and notifications
[08:56] <cpk1> pretty sure konversation fits that bill...
[08:57] <Jucato> very much
[08:57] <Jd0gg> Jucato, no problems was just testing the waves with other programs seeing what was out there
[08:57] <jussi01> when it comes out properly, quassel will be really nice.
[08:58] <Jucato> well, you can rule irssi out for the "decent color schemes" and "notifications" :P
[08:58] <Jucato> maaaybe :P
[08:58] <jussi01> Jucato: rubbish, you can get notifications with irssi
[08:58] <Jd0gg> cpkl, yeah i wasn't disappointed... only thing i was confused on was on another network i'm playing idlerpg and when i level up, konversation doesn't give me the notification "you found this weapon, luck is with you, etc..."
[08:58] <Jucato> jussi01: built-in?
[08:58] <jussi01> and my irssi looks good :)
[08:59] <Jucato> Jd0gg: you can set custom highlights/notifications
[08:59] <anton__> hello all
[08:59] <jussi01> Jucato: you need to install a few packages or something, cant remember, jdong was telling me about it.
[08:59] <jussi01> libnotify iirc
[08:59] <Jucato> jussi01: I'm talking about built-in of course :P
[08:59] <anton__> i'm from USA
[08:59] <anton__> ^-)
[09:00] <Jucato> hm?
[09:00] <Jd0gg> Jucato, i understand what you're saying, but it wasn't displaying in the channel window, i was displaying in the server window instead, i didn't know if there was a way to make it display in the channel window as well... sorry i know i'm a newb to the *nix environment.
[09:01] <anton__> \etc\bin  hello
[09:01] <Jucato> anton__: this isn't a social chat channel
[09:02] <anton__> ok, i understund
[09:02] <cpk1> Jd0gg: I guess it depends what notices, chanserv notices show up on the channel I am currently viewing
[09:03] <Jd0gg> cpk1, that makes sense... i'll check into it later and see what i can't turn up, just didn't know if that was something someone knew off hand.
[09:04] <cpk1> still the tab that the notice comes from should highlight itself if your name is in the message
[09:05] <Jd0gg> right, and the channel tab highlighted for the level up message, but i failed to recieve the 2nd message that comes up when you find an item lol... idk if you're familiar with idlerpg or not... game people play on irc when they are bored.
[09:06] <Jd0gg> cpkl ^^^
[09:06] <Jucato> Jd0gg: you can even set Konvi to play a sound for a specific highlight... so you can record yourself saying "You found this weapon..." and hear it everytime :P
[09:07] <Jd0gg> Jucato, lol that's cool... yeah i'm really liking the linux environment alot, i've been meaning to give it a test drive for a while now just didn't know i could resize partition tables without losing data, bad experience with partition magic on windows, but i found another editor to do the job.
[09:09] <Jd0gg> also was glad to hear that mounting ntfs volumes has become easier over the years, and i knew you could mount them and read, but i love the fact they have something that allows you to write to NTFS... made things much easier to convert to *nix.
[09:11] <Jd0gg> i think kubuntu will convert alot of windows users over time, can't wait to master it to the best of my abilities, and it'll also help me get A+ certified sense CompTIA is requiring basic Linux knowledge i do believe.
[09:18] <Kheops> hi
[09:18] <Kheops> somebody can help me to mount a ntfs partition with read-write-execute access ?
[09:19] <Kheops> Jucato: ?
[09:19] <Jucato> I don't do NTFS stuff
[09:19] <llutz> !ntfs-3g | Kheops
[09:19] <ubotu> Kheops: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:20] <Jd0gg> Kheops, i can try to point you in the right direction, i haven't done this yet... if you goto the K-menu then Add-Remove Programs
[09:20] <Jd0gg> at the top in the search box type NTFS hit enter
[09:20] <Kheops> i have the driver
[09:20] <Kheops> for ntfs
[09:20] <Kheops> i just want to mount !
[09:21] <prince_jammys> Kheops: do you have a line in  /etc/fstab>
[09:21] <prince_jammys> Kheops: so that it automounts later?
[09:21] <Kheops> hmm i think so
[09:21] <Kheops> i added
[09:21] <Kheops> by myself
[09:21] <prince_jammys> paste the line here
[09:22] <Kheops>  /dev/hdb1       /media/hdd40    ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222  0 0
[09:22] <Kheops> look if he is correct
[09:22] <Kheops> i don't understand what means nls ?
[09:22] <Kheops> and utf8
[09:22] <prince_jammys> it mounts, but not with the permission you want, correct?
[09:22] <Kheops> yep
[09:22] <Kheops> u understood well
[09:22] <Kheops> :)
[09:23] <Kheops> please explain to me what means nls=utf8
[09:23] <prince_jammys> i don't know
[09:23] <Kheops> :||\
[09:23] <Kheops> but u can help me to give permision that i want ?
[09:23] <prince_jammys> but umask should be 000
[09:23] <prince_jammys> if you want EVERYONE to rwx
[09:23] <Kheops> ky 10x
[09:23] <Kheops> :)
[09:23] <Kheops> i will try
[09:24] <Kheops> that's it ?
[09:24] <llutz> Kheops: nls= National Language Support
[09:24] <prince_jammys> right now it's 222  read execute, no write
[09:24] <Kheops> llutz: 10x
[09:24] <Kheops> and utf8 ?
[09:24] <Kheops> ky prince_jammys i will do
[09:24] <prince_jammys> character set
[09:24] <llutz> utf8=encoding
[09:24] <Jucato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8
[09:24] <Kheops> encoding what llutz ?
[09:24] <llutz> character
[09:24] <Kheops> ky Jucato
[09:24] <prince_jammys> that's it, encoding
[09:24] <Kheops> 10q
[09:24] <Kheops> hmm prince_jammys i can do it manualy without rebooting
[09:24] <sonoftheclayr> Does anyone use Opera and know how I can disable the menu that comes up when I double click?
[09:24] <prince_jammys> yes
[09:24] <Kheops> please if u know paste me the command
[09:25] <prince_jammys> sudo umount /media/hdd40 && sudo mount /media/hdd40
[09:25] <prince_jammys> there's a way with "remount" but i forget
[09:26] <Jucato> "mount -a"?
[09:26] <Kheops> hmm
[09:26] <Jucato> no not that...
[09:26] <Jd0gg> god i love the knowledge in this room... fyi i will be asking alot of questions so for future knowledge, sorry if i become annoying, it's going to take me a while to get used to this stuff.
[09:27] <prince_jammys> unmounting and remounting should do it
[09:27] <Kheops> prince_jammys: the command must mount it directly with access and all stuff
[09:27] <Kheops> :)
[09:27] <prince_jammys> Kheops: once you change fstab, it will
[09:27] <Kheops> hmm realy ?
[09:27] <Kheops> it's a good tip
[09:27] <prince_jammys> it should
[09:27] <Kheops> 10x
[09:27] <Kheops> wait to modify
[09:27] <prince_jammys> it reads the mount options from fstab
[09:28] <Kheops> umask=000
[09:28] <Kheops> ?
[09:28] <prince_jammys> that would do it
[09:28] <Kheops> 3 zero
[09:28] <Kheops> k
[09:29] <Kheops> done
[09:29] <Kheops> and now ?
[09:29] <prince_jammys> try remounting with the above commands
[09:29] <Kheops> i did
[09:29] <Kheops> and ?
[09:29] <needhelp> i know this shouldn't be here but, is it possible to uncompile a dos .com file to see its source code?
[09:29] <prince_jammys> see if you can create a file there
[09:29] <Kheops> as root ?
[09:30] <prince_jammys> mmm. try without
[09:30] <martalli> For some reason, my keyboard shortcuts don't seem to be working.  alt-spacew doesn't bring up katapault, but alt-F2 doesn't work either.  I checked ps aux and katapault is running
[09:30] <Jucato> needhelp: ##windows (and the term, I believe, is "decompile")
[09:30] <Kheops> read only
[09:30] <Kheops> :)
[09:30] <prince_jammys>   /dev/sda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=227     0       0
[09:30] <martalli> Where can I look to fix it?  I'm sure that some setting is mis-set somewhere
[09:30] <prince_jammys> that's mine
[09:31] <prince_jammys> but mine is not writable. you need to change to 000
[09:31] <Kheops> hmmm
[09:31] <Jucato> martalli: in ps aux, see if kded or kdesktop is running?
[09:31] <prince_jammys> Kheops: or 027
[09:31] <Kheops> what sould i do ?
[09:31] <Kheops> modify again ?
[09:31] <Kheops> with 027 ?
[09:31] <Kheops> where i can find the umak access
[09:31] <Kheops> ?
[09:31] <prince_jammys> that will make it rwxr-x---
[09:31] <Kheops> a list
[09:31] <martalli> Jucato: Both appear to be running
[09:32] <Kheops> or something
[09:32] <prince_jammys> Kheops: are you the main user?
[09:32] <Kheops> prince_jammys: can u tell me a list with all access of umask ?
[09:32] <Jucato> martalli: are you  using Compiz?
[09:32] <Kheops> yep
[09:32] <Kheops> but i want all users
[09:32] <martalli> Jucato: no
[09:32] <Kheops> to write and read
[09:32] <prince_jammys> Kheops: then 000
[09:32] <Kheops> the information on that partition
[09:32] <blackwaltz> Wow ....... I've got my laptop down to using ~13.5 watts on idle ... I could probably get 7 hours on battery off a full charge :D
[09:32] <Kheops> it is 000 man
[09:33] <Kheops> cannot create directory `sasd': Read-only file system
[09:33] <martalli> compiz not installed (I had it installed in thepast)
[09:33] <Kheops> pfff pfff pfff
[09:33] <Jucato> martalli: logging out doesn't fix it?
[09:33] <martalli> No, it hasbeen like this for weeks.
[09:34] <Kheops> so can anyone knows what to do ?
[09:34] <Jucato> hm... sorry no idea martalli :(
[09:34] <Jd0gg> i know i'm not much help but maybe dismounting and remounting will do the trick Kheops?
[09:34] <prince_jammys> Kheops: /dev/hdb1       /media/hdd40    ntfs-3g    nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000  0 0
[09:34] <martalli> no problem Jucato
[09:34] <lopov> anyone know why my display driver is set to display :1 ??
[09:34] <martalli> Thanks for the thoughts, though
[09:34] <prince_jammys> Kheops: try that
[09:34] <Kheops> why ntfs-3g ?
[09:35] <Kheops> i don't have that
[09:35] <prince_jammys> Kheops: you can comment out the old one by putting # at the beginning of the old line
[09:35] <Kheops> i know
[09:35] <Kheops> :)
[09:35] <lopov> ive been trying to install the nvidia driver in hardy but no luck :(
[09:35] <prince_jammys> Kheops: if you don't have it, install it
[09:35] <Kheops> nop
[09:35] <prince_jammys> !info ntfs-3g
[09:35] <Kheops> not necesary
[09:35] <Kheops> i have another
[09:35] <Kheops> utility
[09:35] <Kheops> :)
[09:35] <Kheops> and driver
[09:35] <prince_jammys> ah
[09:35] <Kheops> not necesary to install all ntfs
[09:35] <Kheops> :)
[09:35] <Kheops> in the world
[09:35] <lopov> if the diplay is set to 0 it looks like its working fine
[09:36] <Kheops> to make a good mount is't it ?
[09:36] <lopov> but not sure how to hard code it to use display :0
[09:36] <Kheops> man
[09:36] <Kheops> i will change only with nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000  0 0
[09:36] <Kheops> ky ?
[09:36] <prince_jammys> Kheops: see what happens
[09:37] <Kheops> ky
[09:37] <Kheops> wait
[09:37] <prince_jammys> Kheops: i don't know about drivers other than ntfs-3g
[09:37] <Kheops> same
[09:37] <llutz> ntfs-3g is the recommended way for writing-access on ntfs-partitions
[09:38] <Kheops> llutz: i made it with other drivers
[09:38] <Kheops> from kubuntu repository
[09:38] <Kheops> ;)
[09:38] <llutz> Kheops: but root only
[09:38] <Kheops> hmm ?
[09:38] <Kheops> what root only ?
[09:39] <llutz> Kheops: there are only 2 ways: 1. is kernel-driver called "ntfs" 2. is 3rd party-driver "ntfs-3g"
[09:39] <Kheops> prince_jammys: don't work
[09:39] <Kheops> yes kernet driver
[09:39] <llutz> Kheops: with ntfs-kernel driver only root may write
[09:39] <Kheops> kernel
[09:39] <Kheops> *
[09:39] <Kheops> no no :)
[09:39] <prince_jammys> Kheops: it must have to do with the drivers
[09:39] <Kheops> i can't even write as root man
[09:39] <Kheops> :)
[09:39] <Kheops> that's the problem
[09:39] <Kheops> yep
[09:40] <prince_jammys> any reason why you don't want ntfs-3g?
[09:40] <cpk1> Kheops: is it mounted rw or ro?
[09:40] <Kheops> i think ro
[09:40] <Kheops> how do i can change ?
[09:40] <llutz> Kheops: better so, writing with ntfs may break your filesystem, it's buggy
[09:40] <prince_jammys> it's mounted with umask=000
[09:40] <cpk1> remount it rw
[09:40] <Kheops> llutz: the partition is single :)
[09:40] <Kheops> how to break my system ?
[09:40] <Kheops> i don't have any system on it
[09:40] <Kheops> :)
[09:41] <Jd0gg> Kheops, he said filesystem, you may end up losing data or corrupting the file table/indexes on the NTFS hard drive.
[09:41] <Kheops> so good ppl in this channel what should i do to mount my ntfs partition and write read and do what i want on it ?
[09:41] <Kheops> aha
[09:41] <prince_jammys> install ntfs-3g
[09:41] <Kheops> hmm hmmm for ?
[09:42] <Kheops> mounting ?
[09:42] <prince_jammys> so you can WRITE
[09:42] <Kheops> ky :)
[09:42] <Kheops> tell me the steps
[09:42] <prince_jammys> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[09:42] <llutz> !ntfs-3g | Kheops  read this
[09:42] <ubotu> Kheops  read this: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:42] <Kheops> i read
[09:42] <Kheops> it from ntfs-3g official site
[09:42] <Kheops> it is nice program
[09:42] <Kheops> free
[09:42] <llutz> then follow instructions
[09:43] <Kheops> E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g
[09:43] <prince_jammys> insteresting. i show it
[09:43] <llutz> it's in main
[09:43] <prince_jammys> !info ntfs-3g
[09:43] <prince_jammys> what's up with the bot?
[09:43] <prince_jammys> !info kaffeine
[09:44] <prince_jammys> !info kivio
[09:44] <Kheops> he is sleepy :)
[09:44] <llutz> wake up bot!
[09:44] <drif> yeah, yelling will do the trick ;)
[09:44] <Kheops> llutz: i want to know how i can mount with my driver
[09:44] <Kheops> and i can write with root only
[09:44] <Kheops> show me how
[09:45] <llutz> !ntfs | Kheops  and read this
[09:45] <ubotu> Kheops  and read this: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[09:46] <jussi01> the bot is sick :(
[09:46] <prince_jammys> i don't understand how you don't show that package
[09:47] <prince_jammys> i thought it was in the main repository
[09:47] <drif> it is
[09:47] <SlimeyPete> old version of kubuntu, perhaps?
[09:47] <prince_jammys> you wouldn't perchance be using a another distro?
[09:47] <blackwaltz> ubotu must be on strike
[09:47] <prince_jammys> ah, older version maybe
[09:49] <drif> actually it's on the universe
[09:49] <drif> I missed that
[09:49] <Jd0gg> i got a question regarding dosemu , when trying to play quake (first person shooter) i can't do 360 degree turns cause the mouse comes off the window i'm playing in, how can i make the mouse 'snap' to the window and not move?
[09:49] <drif> 'main' word in your sentence earlier
[09:51] <Jd0gg> (or DOS emulator whatever you want to refer to it as.)
[09:51] <prince_jammys> Kheops: enable the universe repository to install ntfs-3g
[09:51] <prince_jammys> drif: makes sense
[09:52] <prince_jammys> i've come to rely on the bot too much
[09:52] <prince_jammys> ubotu!
[09:52] <Jucato> (ntfs 3g should be in main though, since it's installed by default since 7.10)
[09:52] <llutz> ntfs-3g - :500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages             main, not universe
[09:52] <prince_jammys> Kheops: forget that last message
[09:52] <drif> llutz: Section: universe/otherosfs
[09:53] <Jucato> drif: what version of *buntu are you using?
[09:53] <prince_jammys> Kheops: UNLESS you have an older kubuntu
[09:53] <llutz> drif: gutsy?
[09:54] <drif> llutz: I checked it from my kitchen comp, which runs feisty
 (ntfs 3g should be in main though, since it's installed by default since 7.10)
[09:54] <llutz> drif: we're talking of gutsy... 7.10
[09:54] <drif> I wasn't aware which version the person in questio nwas using
[09:54] <drif> +n
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:54] <drif> llutz: well, if he's using gutsy, and it should be installed by default...?
[09:55] <drif> didn't make sense, so I thought it was feisty
[09:55] <llutz> drif: he only needs to use it after reading documentation
[09:55] <prince_jammys> he left us to discuss this among ourselves
[09:55] <llutz> drif: he only wanted to use kernel-ntfs
[09:56] <prince_jammys> yeah, hopefully he's reading the directions
[09:56] <Jucato> prince_jammys: don't be surprised. his typical behavior
[09:56] <drif> llutz: well, I catched the conversation on ntfs-3g..
[09:56] <prince_jammys> Jucato: ah, there's a history
[09:56] <llutz> drif: that's what we recommend, but he ....
[09:56] <Strangelet> I use Konqueror as my file manager (love it), though I prefer to have the tree view. Everytime I try and chane the view, it resets back to the normal view when I next start up Konqueror. How do I finalize my view?
[09:57] <prince_jammys> llutz: that's when the CAPS started coming out over here
[09:57] <Kheops> hmmmm
[09:57] <Kheops> i i read
[09:57] <prince_jammys> he's back!
[09:58] <Kheops> nothing usefull
[09:58] <prince_jammys> ha
[09:58] <prince_jammys> Kheops: what version kubuntu do you run?
[09:58] <Kheops> i have the good driver and i just want to mount with access
[09:58] <Kheops> hmm wait
[09:58] <Kheops> to see
[09:58] <jussi01> Strangelet: change it, then save view profile from settings
[10:00] <llutz> jussi01: that won't work
[10:00] <Kheops> Linux version 2.6.15-28-386
[10:00] <Strangelet> jussi01: oh! it works! thank you! :D
[10:00] <llutz> Strangelet: you have to change embedded directory properties in konq-settings to tree-view
[10:00] <Kheops> prince_jammys: Linux version 2.6.15-28-386
[10:01] <drif> kheops: mount -t ntfs (or ntfs-3g) /dev/sdXY /mountpoint -o uid=0,gid=0 - was it the syntax you were after or..?
[10:01] <llutz> Strangelet: it works until you open a picture in konq :(
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> hi jussi01
[10:02] <Kheops> hmm i just want a command to mount corectly my ntfs and give write read and execute rights
[10:02] <Kheops> that's all i need
[10:02] <prince_jammys> Kheops: lsb_release -a
[10:02] <prince_jammys> Kheops: what does that give/
[10:02] <Kheops> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[10:02] <Kheops> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[10:02] <Kheops> Release:        6.06
[10:02] <Kheops> Codename:       dapper
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: then ntfs-3g is what you'll need
[10:02] <Kheops> nop
[10:02] <Kheops> i have what i need
[10:02] <prince_jammys> Kheops: enable universe repositories and install ntfs-3g.
[10:02] <llutz> he still resists...
[10:02] <Kheops> i want the command
[10:03] <Kheops> i have the driver ppl
[10:03] <prince_jammys> bye
[10:03] <Kheops> ?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
 E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g <--- so how did you get the driver?
[10:04] <Kheops> not this one Jucato
[10:04] <Kheops> ;)
[10:04] <Kheops> another but it is good
[10:04] <Kheops> do same think
[10:04] <prince_jammys> apparently not
[10:04] <llutz> Kheops: it won't, how often should we tell you
[10:04] <Kheops> I DON'T NEED ANY DRIVER just a correct syntax to mount dam NTFS partition
[10:04] <llutz> manmount
[10:04] <llutz> man mount
[10:04] <Jucato> Kheops: do not shout
[10:04] <Kheops> it is so hard to do it ?
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: it was pasted before by Jussi
[10:04] <Kheops> lol Jucato i can't shout
[10:04] <Kheops> :))))))
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> mount -t ntfs (or ntfs-3g) /dev/sdXY /mountpoint -o uid=0,gid=0
[10:05] <Jucato> !caps | Kheops
[10:05] <ubotu> Kheops: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:05] <prince_jammys> it's already mounted
[10:05] <Kheops> k
[10:05] <prince_jammys> but he can't write
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: best way is to have a shared fat32 partition or have an FTP server like me :)
[10:05] <Kheops> ActionParsnip: with that command i can write read or execute on that partition ?
[10:05] <prince_jammys> Kheops: i gave you the correct command, and the fstab line. you can't write because of driver issues
[10:06] <drif> kheops: I already you gave you the syntax you were shouting for..
[10:06] <Kheops> ky
[10:06] <Kheops> drif: i can write read or execute with that command that u gave me ?
[10:06] <drif> kheops: if you use ntfs-3g
[10:07] <drif> kheops: also add (just in case) rw to -o options
[10:07] <Kheops> ky
[10:07] <Kheops> i run
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: you should try man mount too. Gives a lot of info there
[10:07] <drif> kheops: although if you use 0 as id you give permissions to root
[10:07] <Kheops> could not enter that partition...
[10:08] <Kheops> i want all users to have access to w r and x
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> Could it be a group membership thing
[10:08] <Kheops> to that partition
[10:08] <prince_jammys> spam
[10:08] <drif> kheops: did you just use /dev/sdXY? X and Y you need to know yourself..X is from a-> and Y from 1->
[10:09] <Kheops> that command don't do anything
[10:09] <drif> sd if you use scsi/sata-devices
[10:09] <Kheops> so how can i mount it ?
[10:09] <drif> do you know which device you need to mount?
[10:09] <Kheops> can u know how ?
[10:09] <Kheops> yes
[10:09] <drif> tell us
[10:09] <Kheops> hdb1
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: did you google this any or did you just come straight here?
[10:10] <drif> and you used that in the mount-command?
[10:10] <prince_jammys>  /dev/hdb1 is his device
[10:10] <Kheops> I SEARCH for 4 days
[10:10] <Kheops> an answer and still no
[10:10] <Kheops> yes
[10:10] <Kheops> and nothing happened
[10:10] <drif> kheops: and came across pages like this? http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.ntfs-3g
[10:10] <Kheops> yes
[10:10] <Kheops> all
[10:10] <Kheops> i read all !
[10:11] <llutz> troll
[10:11] <Kheops> all about ntfs
[10:11] <prince_jammys> you did not install ntfs-3g
[10:11] <Kheops> llutz: u want to help ?
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: add this to your /etc/fstab:  /dev/hdb1  /mnt/win  ntfs  nls=iso8859-1,ro,umask=0  0  0
[10:11] <Kheops> yes because i have the right driver
[10:11] <prince_jammys> you are spamming now
[10:11] <Kheops> so no need another
[10:11] <drif> what do you mean nothing happened? if mount command doesn't give you any anything (errors etc.) then it's _succesful_
[10:11] <llutz> Kheops: you refuse any help, so why should i?
[10:11] <Kheops> lol?
[10:12] <Kheops> drif: dosen't matter if your command syntax it is good
[10:12] <Kheops> it matters if can do anything for my partition
[10:12] <Kheops> u got it ?
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: have you tried adding that line to /etc/fstab ?
[10:12] <prince_jammys> yes
[10:12] <Kheops> ActionParsnip: what means nls=iso8859-1 ?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: back it up first. You'll need gksudo to edit ti
[10:13] <Kheops> ActionParsnip: what means nls=iso8859-1 ?
[10:13] <prince_jammys> why are you changing his fstab to ro?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: no idea I just googled it.
[10:13] <Kheops> loool
[10:13] <prince_jammys> he's just a troll.
[10:13] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: gksudo is for GNOME
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: give it a go, you can always roll back
[10:13] <Kheops> u paste me here command that u can even know ?
[10:13] <Jucato> (gksu/gksudo, kdesu/kdesudo)
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> or kdesu, Kheops do not use sudo kate or whatever, it breaks things
[10:13] <prince_jammys> Kheops: try this: /part
[10:14] <llutz> ActionParsnip: he wants writing-access, so mounting "ro" won't help
[10:14] <llutz> prince_jammys: +1
[10:14] <Kheops> prince_jammys: try don't flame here or u will break the rulles of the channel
[10:14] <Kheops> ;)
[10:14] <Kheops> +2 :)
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> llutz: hopefuly he'd use his loaf and change it
[10:15] <ubuntu> quick Q if anyone can try to answer
[10:15] <Kheops> so any usefull help ?
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: shoot
[10:15] <Kheops> hmmm seems usefull channel...
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: who cares if its known. it was on a forum with a successful story
[10:15] <Kheops> lol ?
[10:15] <ubuntu> i have wireless card on my laptop but i did something and cant connect to router so i need to reinstall KNetworkManager but cant without internet...but i got it runing from Live CD
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: if it doesnt work just roll back the file. Its a 3 second test
[10:16] <Kheops> someone know How can i mount a dam NTFS partition or no ?
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: we've all told you lots of solutions
[10:16] <Kheops> because i waste 3 days on this "Usefull" channel and still no answer
[10:17] <Kheops> u told me nothing it is still as the begining
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu rename you /etc/network/interfaces file and reboot
[10:17] <prince_jammys> Jucato: are you an op?
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> I remember you were on here last night, Kheops.
[10:17] <wonderful> anyone who knows how to install sphinx4 ?
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> Oh, well there we go.
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> Kheops: sudo kate /etc/fstab
[10:17] <ubuntu> i dont understand
[10:17] <prince_jammys> Jucato: thanks
[10:17] <llutz> 3 cheers to Jucato
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> Annoying bitch.
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> Anyway...
[10:17] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: didn't you just say not to use sudo kate? :)
[10:18] <Sir_Corgi> Does Kubuntu have a program similar to Vista's Gadget thing?
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu you rename your network config file and reboot. When you rerun network config you will be able to set it up again.
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu are you running on LiveCD
[10:18] <Jucato> !superkaramba | Sir_Corgi
[10:18] <ubotu> Sir_Corgi: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:18] <ubuntu> Kubuntu
[10:19] <Sir_Corgi> Okay. Thank you.
[10:19] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: the question should have been "does Windows have a program similar to Mac OS X's Dashboard or KDE's Superkaramba or GNOME's gDesklets?" :D
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu, yes but is it on your hard drive or are you running from the live cd?
[10:19] <Sir_Corgi> ...
[10:19] <ubuntu> its on the HD and currently im on LIVECD
[10:19] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: nvm
[10:20] <SlimeyPete> Sir_Corgi: Jucato means "yes" ;)
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> I understand the humor.
[10:20] <SlimeyPete> it's called Superkaramba
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> I'm not retarded, Slimey.
[10:20] <Jucato> :P
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> Gawd.
[10:20] <Jucato> easy now. don't be like Kheops :)
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> Jucato: it should be. "Im sick of vista being garbage but like a particular feature. Can I please have it or something similar in a much better operating system"
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> No, I asked a question, recieved an answer and then said thank you.
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> I didn't say NOOOOO a hundred million times.
[10:21] <Jucato> hehehe
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> Sir_Corgi: "..." usually means "I don't get you" ;p
[10:21] <Jucato> right... on with the show :)
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> I use "..." to convey the emotion of being annoyed.
[10:21]  * Jucato looks away for a while... IRC can be... addictive...
[10:21] <Jucato> works both ways :)
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu, boot to your hard drive and rename the file with omething like: sudo mv /etc/netork/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.old
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu, then reboot
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> Now, how do I get SuperKarama?  Is it just something I can install from Adept or Synaptic?
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> Karamba*
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[10:22] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: yep
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> Sweet.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I like when things are that simple.
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> !superkaramba | Sir_Corgi
[10:23] <ubotu> Sir_Corgi: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:23] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: done that already :)
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> ...
[10:23] <Jucato> (scroll up a bit)
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> I don't like when people do that.
[10:23] <ubuntu> thankyou! ill try it
[10:23] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: don't get annoyed too much. sometimes with heavy traffic, people don't see lines
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> I understand it's easier, but it makes me feel retarded.
[10:23] <Jucato> it happens. no one's perfect
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> LilJon: np dude
[10:24] <LilJon> ill be back if it dont work!
[10:24] <Jucato> (this is relatively low to medium traffic even... wait till a new release is out... all /dev/null breaks loose)
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> HAHA
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> yes > /dev/null :)
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> I think I'm going to pass on Hardy for a while.
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> Yes!
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> It worked. Thank you. :)
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: cool, welcome to cli installs
[10:25] <Jucato> a wise strategy is to wait about a month after a release... to observe what problems creep up
[10:26] <applehypnosis> ActionParsnip? Good name
[10:26] <Sir_Corgi> I won't even be in the United States when the new release comes out.
[10:26] <applehypnosis> :)
[10:26] <Jucato> (*if* you absolutely need stable. otherwise, we need testers too :)
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> applehypnosis: its a harry hill joke
[10:26] <Sir_Corgi> No way.  I tried to update to the beta.  Uh uh...
[10:26] <Sir_Corgi> Nope.
[10:26] <Sir_Corgi> Never doing that again.
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> Jucato: i'm getting it now for a virtualbox for me to play with when work is dead
[10:28] <Sir_Corgi> Backing up.. what does cli stand for?
[10:28] <Sir_Corgi> Or is it even an acronym...?
[10:29] <tysine> hello, please have some help with knetworkmanager?
[10:29] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: Command Line Interface
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: command line interface (or interpreter)
[10:30] <Sir_Corgi> I figured the cl stood for command line.
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: basically you type commands instead of clicking stuff
[10:30] <Sir_Corgi> I just didn't know what the i stood for.
[10:30] <Sir_Corgi> Right.
[10:30] <Sir_Corgi> I understand.
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: cool :)
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: you may want to type sudo apt-get clean too :)
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> Learning Linux is an interesting process, but it results in remembering how to do things much more easily than it is with Windows.
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> I think I've done that once.
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> But I forgot what it does.
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: deletes all the old packages you have downloaded from temporry storage
[10:32]  * Sir_Corgi nods head.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> Lovin' it.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> Lovin' it.
[10:32]  * ActionParsnip cheers for Sir_Corgi
[10:32] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: that, of course, depends on how you're trying to do things. modern Linux desktops are as easy to use as Windows (point and click?). It's just that some people prefer to give answers/help with commands
[10:33] <Jucato> because they're easier to convey.. doesn't mean they can't be done using the GUI method...
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: plus you can copy/paste :)
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> Yes. There is that.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> And drag and drop.
[10:34] <Jucato> (there's always the danger, though, that the command might not be correct and might do more harm than good...)
[10:34] <robbie> Whoever it was just a few minutes ago that helped with NetowrkManager...Thx and your a Pimp
[10:34] <Jucato> O.o
[10:34] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah... but... in Windows you can screw something up just by looking at it funny.
[10:35] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: you can screw something up just by booting into it or logging in :P
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> robbie: think it was me dude :)
[10:35] <Sir_Corgi> Hey!  That kind of looks like... Oh my dear lord!
[10:35] <robbie> Yea thanks!
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> robbie: you basically wiped the config to zero. then you can set up a new one.
[10:35]  * Jucato hopes that robbie didn't mean "a Pimp" in an offending way :)
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> robbie: if you go to you ~/ and type ls -a yu will see all configs for lot of other apps
[10:36] <Sir_Corgi> I've screwed up enough times in Linux that I've needed to reinstall it.
[10:36] <Sir_Corgi> But I haven't had to in a while, so... :D
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Sir_Corgi: best way to learn
[10:36] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: ouch.. :)
[10:36] <Sir_Corgi> Not when you use unetbootin to install it.
[10:36]  * Jucato has probably been lucky never to had to reinstall because of a screw up
[10:36] <Sir_Corgi> Which takes FOREVER
[10:36] <robbie> ok thanks, and no i didnt mean it offensively
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> robbie: not taken as :)
[10:38] <tysine> hello, please have some help with knetworkmanager?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> i believe robbie can ;)
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> tysine: wassup?
[10:40] <tysine> my wifi setup is a mess
[10:40] <tysine> i think it has something to do with my interfaces file
[10:40] <Jucato> pesky interfaces file :)
[10:41] <tysine> essentially, i want to connect to my wifi router, however, when i right click the knetworkmanager icon near the clock, no wireless networks are listed, when i know there are at least 5
[10:41] <robbie> :D for the KNetworkManager Problem try Sudo mv /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.old
[10:41] <robbie> then reboot and ur off :D
[10:42] <robbie> i just used that and it detects wireless routers and works now :D
[10:42] <Jucato> "sudo" (not Sudo)
[10:42] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah.  Case sensitive.
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> robbie: Linux is very CaSe SEsiTiVe
[10:43] <Sir_Corgi> Which is strange.
[10:43] <robbie> oops sry
[10:43] <Sir_Corgi> But whatever.
[10:43] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: inherited from Unix
[10:43] <Jucato> (it does make it flexible to have Foo and foo and foO and fOo... :P)
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> I wonder what the original reason for it is
[10:43]  * Jucato doesn't know that one...
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> SlimeyPete: gives you mre file names :)
[10:44] <Jucato> though I don't really mind, since I do programming, and in most languages, identifiers are case sensitive too
[10:44] <SlimeyPete> if your files/apps are differentiated only by case then you need to figure out a better naming scheme ;)
[10:45] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> SlimeyPete: agreesd but thats what it gives you
[10:45] <drif> kheops is definitely a) mental patient b) totally without a clue c) sick bastard d) all of the above
[10:45] <Jucato> drif: that's over already
[10:46] <drif> Jucato: not really..
[10:46] <Jucato> at least here it is
[10:46] <kmaxtor> please help me to install nvidia driver's my video can't activate
[10:47] <kmaxtor> my video card is nvidia
[10:47] <Jucato> !nvidia | kmaxtor
[10:47] <ubotu> kmaxtor: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:47] <Jucato> kmaxtor: you can also try going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[10:48] <Jucato> (if you're on Gutys only)
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> kmaxtor: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:48] <Sir_Corgi> Gutys. lol
[10:48] <Jucato> I used to spell it Gusty :)
[10:48] <Jucato> soon I'll have to learn to fast-type Intrepid and not Interpid :)
[10:48] <Sir_Corgi> Pronounced "goo-tees"
[10:49] <Jucato> or "gut-tees" :)
[10:49] <Jucato> (or "gut-ties"... whatever :P)
[10:49] <Sir_Corgi> I just immediately think "goo-tees."  Probably because I'm learning Russian right now.
[10:49] <LilSarg> LilSarge  =  Robbie
[10:50] <Sir_Corgi> It's nice having this week off from it, though. :)
[10:51] <kmaxtor> K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager can't activate
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> kmaxtor: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> kmaxtor: uncomment the restricted repos and run sudo apt-get update
[10:54] <kmaxtor> k
[10:59] <Sir_Corgi> brb
[11:01] <jermain> hi everyone
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> hi jermain
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> !hi | jermain
[11:02] <ubotu> jermain: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:02] <jermain> can i ask something about VIM?
[11:02] <jermain> :)
[11:02] <Sir_Corgi> o.O
[11:02] <Dr_willis> You just did. :)
[11:02] <Dr_willis> What about it.
[11:02] <Sir_Corgi> Whachootalkin'bout Willis?
[11:02]  * Dr_willis is slowly upping his vim-fu-skills
[11:02] <jermain> i want to set auto indent
[11:02] <jermain> the command is supposed to be "set ai"
[11:02] <Sir_Corgi> I feel ashamed for making that joke. lol
[11:03] <jermain> but when i hit the s, it goes to insert mode
[11:03] <jermain> and the joke wasnt that bad ^^
[11:03] <SlimeyPete> type :
[11:03] <SlimeyPete> that'll bring up the vim command prompt
[11:03] <Sir_Corgi> I'm going to make a wild guess here... SuperKaramba shouldn't be used with Compiz running?
[11:03] <jermain> -.- the evil : again
[11:03] <jermain> it haunts me
[11:03] <SlimeyPete> heh
[11:03] <jermain> thanks :)
[11:03] <Dr_willis> jermain,  yes it is.. or use :set noautoindent   :set autoindent
[11:03] <Dr_willis> jermain,  vi basics here man. :)
[11:04] <Dr_willis> how eles ya going to set it on the fly...
[11:04] <Sir_Corgi> Wait. Scratch that.
[11:04] <Sir_Corgi> Nevermind.
[11:04] <Sir_Corgi> I was doing something retarded.
[11:04] <Dr_willis> You could put it in your .vimrc or other config files
[11:04] <Dr_willis> !info vimtutor
[11:04] <jermain> yay it works!, ty :)
[11:04] <jermain> !info vimtutor
[11:05] <Dr_willis> theres a few gui variants that have pull down menus.. helps ya learn some of the commands also.
[11:05] <Dr_willis> theres a vimtutor command for a basic tutorial.
[11:05] <Dr_willis> !find vimtutor
[11:05] <ubotu> Found: sh:
[11:05] <Dr_willis> but the bot seems tobe brain dead today
[11:05] <jermain> cool, for once i can be smarter than the bot
[11:05] <Jucato> it seems !find doesn't work
[11:05] <Sir_Corgi> Time to pull the feeding tube.
[11:06] <jermain> lol
[11:06]  * Dr_willis resists doing a !find find
[11:07] <jermain> i feel so pro now that i can do stuff in vim
[11:07] <jermain> when i grow up i wil master VI!
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> What is this vim...?
[11:08] <Dr_willis> Vi IMproved
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> ... that doesn't help me much, but thank you for de-acrynomizing it. :)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> type vim and seee....
[11:09] <jermain> its notepad in the terminal
[11:09] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_(text_editor)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> comparing it to notepad is like comparing a  unicicle to the spaceshuttle.
[11:09] <Jucato> jermain: comparing it to notepad is...
[11:09] <Sir_Corgi> Oh... okay.
[11:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:09] <Jucato> bah.. Dr_willis is too fast :)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> Lol.
[11:09] <Sir_Corgi> HAHA
[11:09] <jermain> so the space shuttle has some more wheels, what of it?
[11:09]  * Dr_willis envisions an astronaut on a unicicle.
[11:09] <Jucato> O.o
[11:09] <jermain> :)
[11:10] <jermain> rofl
[11:10]  * Jucato envisions going to the moon in a unicycle
[11:10] <Dr_willis> its amazing that windows can still ship such a crippled text editor.. .. but it fits the rest of the os i guess. :) /rant off..
[11:10]  * Sir_Corgi imagines the astronaut crash landing on the moon because he died from his oxygen running out in the first few hours.
[11:10] <Sir_Corgi> o.O
[11:10] <Sir_Corgi> But that's just me...
[11:11] <Jucato> Dr_willis: the point is that you don't do much text editing there the way we use editors here
[11:11] <jermain> lol, where is your <rant>
[11:11] <jermain> you cant \rant without a <rant>
[11:11] <Jucato> [/offtopic]
[11:11] <Jucato> :D
[11:11]  * jussi01 envisions #kubuntu as a support channel :)
[11:11] <Dr_willis> :set offtopic
[11:11] <jermain> no, you need an [offtopic]
[11:11] <jermain> i hate you!
[11:11]  * Sir_Corgi sets out to destroy your vision.
[11:11] <jermain> :(
[11:11] <Sir_Corgi> With flames.
[11:11] <jermain> hehe
[11:11] <Sir_Corgi> And... unicycles.
[11:11] <Sir_Corgi> Flaming unicycles. That's it!
[11:11] <jermain> i got go afk, thanks agin for the help guys
[11:11] <Dr_willis>  /blink Wow /blinkoff
[11:13] <Sir_Corgi> I love being able to stay up all night and then sleep all day without having to worry about the things I normally have to worry about.
[11:14] <Sir_Corgi> Class break is awesome.
[11:17]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the various computer news sites..
[11:18] <Sir_Corgi> Damn.  I just got internetz challenged.
[11:19] <Sir_Corgi> I correctly identified the lady in that animated gif that says "Internet" as the mother from the newer Carrie movie, but now I have to identify what she is really saying.
[11:21] <jussi01> !away > Jaikao|away
[11:23] <Jaikao|away> mkay i think about it :D
[11:32] <Dr_willis> Hay! you are not really away!
[11:42] <jermain> i have returned: awe in my presence!
[11:43] <Sir_Corgi> How about no.
[11:43] <Jaikao|away> my "konversation" starts to blink when somebody says my name...
[11:44] <Jaikao|away> or when somebody querys me (in this case ubotu)
[11:44] <Jaikao|away> im not shure...
[11:44] <Sir_Corgi> I'm watching every part of the 2002 version of Carrie to freakin find out what that lady in that picture is really saying.
[11:44] <Sir_Corgi> Guh.
[11:45]  * Dr_willis thinks Sir_Corgi  has a bit TOO much free time.
[11:47] <clau30_> Jaikao|away: it's default behaviour, you can change that
[11:47] <Sir_Corgi> But if I answer the question correctly I get ten free internets!
[11:47] <Sir_Corgi> Come on!
[11:47] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[11:48] <Dr_willis> Shes saying "Eat more popcorn!"
[11:48] <Dr_willis> Oh wait - that was the Subliminal message in the  intermission
[11:49] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[11:50]  * Dr_willis goes to the lobby, to gets himself a snack.
[11:50] <Dr_willis> bye all
[11:54] <azuki> kde runs really unstable her
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> bit quiet
[12:09] <mangla> hello
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> !hi | mangla
[12:10] <ubotu> mangla: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:10] <drif> ActionParsnip: all quiet in the western front..
[12:10] <mangla> :-)
[12:11] <mangla> does anybody run ubuntu on an acer 5720z?
[12:11] <drif> acer is a tricky thing :-\
[12:11] <mangla> no good?
[12:11] <drif> well, haven't had much success with three different models
[12:11] <jussi01> mangla: please be a little more specific in your question
[12:12] <mangla> jussi01: sound aint working
[12:13] <jussi01> mangla: whcih versin of ubuntu/kubuntu (gutsy, feaisty etc) and which sound card?
[12:13] <mangla> the kubuntu beta
[12:13] <mangla> with kde4
[12:14] <jussi01> mangla: #kubuntu-kde4 then. :)
[12:14] <mangla> great help jussi. thanks anyway
[12:15] <jussi01> mangla: if you head over there, Ill try to continue helping :)
[12:15] <mangla> no. i am staying
[12:15] <mangla> hi jermain
[12:16] <jermain> hi mangla ^^
[12:16] <jussi01> mangla: then please constrain your questions to kde3 stuff. thanks :)
[12:16] <mangla> get a life jussi01
[12:16]  * jermain is overwhelmed by the love in here
[12:16] <jermain> :)
[12:17] <mangla> we love each other jermain, we just arent acting as if
[12:17] <jermain> can someone tell me how to add a user in the console?
[12:17] <jermain> i tried sudo adduser
[12:17] <LadyNikon> uh..
[12:18] <mangla> jussi01 knows how - i bet
[12:18]  * jermain stares at jussi01
[12:18] <jussi01> jermain: try adding a name after that. ;)
[12:18] <jermain> hehe
[12:19] <LadyNikon> "sudo useradd -d /home/testuser -m testuser"
[12:19] <jermain> :o
[12:19] <jermain> what does the -m do?
[12:19] <LadyNikon> check out useradd help
[12:19] <jermain> nvm i'll use
[12:19] <jermain> yes i was gonna say man
[12:19] <jermain> :)
[12:19] <LadyNikon> jermain: never use a command without finding that it does
[12:19] <jermain> ty ladynikon
[12:19] <LadyNikon> :p
[12:20] <LadyNikon> np
[12:20] <Jd0gg> i got a question regarding DOS Emulator (dosemu) , when trying to play quake (first person shooter) i can't do 360 degree turns cause the mouse comes off the window i'm playing in, how can i make the mouse 'snap' to the window and not move?
[12:22] <Sir_Corgi> Dear Lord.
[12:22] <Sir_Corgi> I figured it out.
[12:22] <Sir_Corgi> She is actually saying "Internet"
[12:22] <Sir_Corgi> I cannot believe that.
[12:22] <LadyNikon> o.o
[12:22] <Jd0gg> The interweb is quite tangled
[12:22] <Sir_Corgi> Whoa.  Different people in here.
[12:23] <Sir_Corgi> o.O
[12:23] <jermain> no its just one guy running between many many computers ;)
[12:23] <jermain> and i'm out of breath
[12:23] <jermain> ><
[12:23] <Jd0gg> yeah, i'm Jdogg / Jeff ; i recently got on to Kubuntu as my pick to 'test the waves' with the *nix environment, i like it alot
[12:24] <LadyNikon> kde is awesome
[12:24] <LadyNikon> fluxbox is better.. but kde is still awesome ;)
[12:24] <SlimeyPete> Jd0gg: ctrl-alt-home?
[12:24] <Jd0gg> LadyNikon, i love it too.
[12:24] <Jd0gg> i have no idea what that does but i smell a noob-trick :P
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> Jd0gg: no, I just googled and that's the only suggestion I can find
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> Jd0gg: apparently it jails the mouse inside dosemu
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> ymmv.
[12:25] <Jd0gg> ooh, you're answering my question. i'll have to try it, do i hit the same hotkey to 'release' it
[12:25] <Jd0gg> and fluxbox, interesting i'll have to look that one up LadyNikon
[12:26] <SlimeyPete> dunno... doesn't say, and I don't have dosemu to hand
[12:26] <jussi01> Jd0gg: there is a fluxbuntu :)
[12:26] <Jd0gg> i like KDE cause it's got the 'windows' feel to it, and i grew up on windows, so it's not /quite/ as intimidating to learn the new environment
[12:26] <jermain> ladynikon, i read the man page and i dont think i get it. -d specifies the homedir and basedir, why is -m still needed to specify the basedir again?
[12:27] <Jd0gg> is there any major differences between fluxbox (fluxbuntu) and kde (kubuntu) that is worth point out?
[12:27] <Sir_Corgi> Same here, jd0gg
[12:27] <jussi01> Jd0gg: the memory usage, the de lots
[12:27] <Sir_Corgi> And I like compiz because it has that "WindowBlinds" feel to it.
[12:28] <jussi01> jermain: you are just trying to simply add a new user, correct?
[12:28] <jermain> yeah
[12:28] <jussi01> jermain: sudo adduser newusername
[12:28] <Jd0gg> jussi01, "the de lots"? are you saying kde uses more then flux?
[12:29] <jermain> so for me it would be sudo useradd -d /home/quincy -m quincy
[12:29] <jussi01> Jd0gg: sorry, no, I meant the DE, Lots of stuff
[12:29] <Jd0gg> ooh that's a good question, what filesystems are you all running here
[12:29] <Jd0gg> DE = ?
[12:29] <jussi01> Jd0gg: this isnt just a general chat area, please use #kubuntu-offtopic for that :)
[12:29] <jussi01> Desktop Environment
[12:30] <jussi01> jermain: no, just: sudo adduser quincy
[12:31] <jermain> jussi, i did that, but i need him to have a hom dir aswell ^^
[12:31] <jermain> *home
[12:31] <jussi01> jermain: it should automatically create one
[12:31] <jermain> argh..
[12:31] <jermain> ty :)
[12:32] <jermain> it worked!
[12:33] <jermain> now to add a pass (don't say, i want to see if i can find out)
[12:33] <jussi01> jermain: did it not prompt you for that?
[12:33] <jermain> nvm it prompted
[12:33] <jermain> :)
[12:34] <jussi01> :)
[12:34] <jermain> its not supposed to do that according to the book, but the book has a suse cd in the back
[12:34] <jussi01> hehe
[12:35] <LadyNikon> suse >.<
[12:36] <jermain> i'm too much of a linux newb to understand the difference between flavours
[12:36] <jermain> i just know i like ubuntu
[12:36] <jussi01> great. now Im off home, so Ill see you all later
[12:37] <LadyNikon> adios
[12:37] <jermain> safe trip jussi
[12:37] <_Angelus_> later jussi01  , peace
[12:37] <_Angelus_> dont shoot too much people :p
[12:37] <Sir_Corgi> When I was first introduced to linux, it was suggested to me to try Linux Mint.
[12:37] <Sir_Corgi> I tried, but couldn't get it to install.
[12:37] <jermain> *too many people (heil grammar!)
[12:37] <Sir_Corgi> And then I was like o hai, Kubuntu!
[12:43] <modepol> if i have an ircd. can i hide the ip of servers by which users connect to the network?
[12:48] <ethan> !addon
[12:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about addon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <jermain> the useradd is driving me nuts
[12:53] <SlimeyPete> jermain: what're you trying to do?
[12:54] <jermain> im trying to learn to work with linux from a book
[12:54] <jermain> im supposed to make some useraccounts
[12:54] <jermain> i made one using sudo useradd quincy
[12:54] <jermain> it failed
[12:54] <jermain> i tried other stuff
[12:54] <jermain> deleted it
[12:54] <jermain> tried the same thing again
[12:54] <jermain> and then it worked
[12:54] <jermain> now i need to make another one
[12:55] <jermain> and i get no confirmation or error
[12:55] <jermain> but no prompt for password and stuff either
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> hrm, I didn't even know kubuntu *had* useradd
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> "adduser" is the one that's most frequently used
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> it does the same sort of thing
[12:55] <jermain> uhm not in kubuntu itself but in the console
[12:56] <SlimeyPete> jermain: yeah
[12:56] <SlimeyPete> use adduser.
[12:56] <SlimeyPete> useradd is the complicated version.
[12:56] <jermain> okay
[12:56] <jermain> ><
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> (run "man adduser" for instructions)
[12:57]  * SlimeyPete wanders off, good luck :)
[12:59] <jermain> it worked ty
[12:59] <modepol> if i have an ircd. can i hide the ip of servers by which users connect to the network?
[13:26] <BunnyRevolution> where is the place to change the monitor/display in kubuntu kde4 version?
[13:27] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 questions (though I think displayconfig hasn't been ported to KDE 4 yet...)
[13:27] <Jucato> probably System Settings -> Display as usual
[13:28] <lopov> has anyone had issues with nvidia driver? such as xserver defaulting to display 1.0?
[13:44] <bambach> hi
[14:07] <sigma_1234> synce
[14:09] <sigma_1234> any chance kde4 hardy will have amarok2 and the kde4 kontact?
[14:09] <ethan> !addon
[14:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about addon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:09] <neville_> Amarok 2?
[14:09] <neville_> How much better can Amarok get? :P
[14:10] <stdin> sigma_1234: 1) it does, 2) when kdepim comes otu
[14:10] <stdin> *out
[14:12] <sigma_1234> neville_: if it could play video that would be great
[14:13] <stdin> an audio player that plays video? but that's media player surely ;)
[14:13] <Sir_Corgi> VLC FTW
[14:14] <sigma_1234> stdin: are the other kubuntu apps like k3b and kaffeine going to be ported?
[14:15] <sigma_1234> stdin: id prefer having one program to play everything. like win media player
[14:15] <stdin> sigma_1234: they aren't "kubuntu apps" they are kde apps, but probably yes. dragonplayer is a replacement to kaffeine for now
[14:15] <stdin> sigma_1234: that's when you get bloatware
[14:15] <sigma_1234> sorry meant kde apps
[14:15] <sigma_1234> lol
[14:16] <sigma_1234> true i dont ever recall using amarok and kaffeine at the same time
[14:21] <eslam> hi
[14:21] <jussio1> hi
[14:21] <eslam> im eslam
[14:21] <romunov_> where in kubuntu do i set pretty little icons for different documents?
[14:21] <romunov_> for example, OO.o documents look like "generic" with no special icons
[14:21] <azuki> so I guess kde4 would be more stable?
[14:22] <jussio1> romunov_: right click doc, click permissions, click spanner, click icon
[14:22] <jussio1> azuki: no
[14:23] <azuki> jussio1: I was actually shocked how unstable it is,, I am back to gnome now..
[14:23] <azuki> jussio1: which sucks.. 'cause the optionality was pretty cool
[14:24] <jussio1> azuki: kde4 stuff really belongs in #kubuntu-kde4 but it is still a 4.0 release, wait for 4.1 for stability
[14:24] <romunov_> jussio1: much obliged, as always!
[14:25] <jussio1> romunov_: no probs :)
[14:29] <francesco_> !it
[14:29] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:29] <simula_> i'm having the toughest time getting a drive mounted via fstab that a normal user can write to :/
[14:30] <simula_> i put this into fstab:
[14:30] <simula_>   /dev/sdb1 /archive ext3 user,noauto,noatime 0 2
[14:30] <simula_> i first used fdisk and got it set up as an ext3 partition /dev/sdb
[14:31] <simula_> i do a mount /archive
[14:31] <simula_> and i can add stuff to it as root, but not as a user :/
[14:31] <simula_> normal user i mean
[14:32] <jussio1> simula_: unmount it, and then make sure the permissions on the folder are available for the user to write to
[14:33] <simula_> ok jussio1, i'll give that a shot.. thanks!
[14:36] <simula_> jussio1, i chmod 666 /archive
[14:37] <simula_> unmounted, remounted (both as su and normal user)
[14:37] <simula_> and i can enter the directory and get a listing
[14:37] <simula_> but i can't mkdir
[14:39] <romunov_> i had to install Vista today
[14:39] <romunov_> because ubuntu/kubuntu wouldn't boot for some reason. i tried three different cds and versions
[14:39] <romunov_> i kept falling into the busybox
[14:45] <maroo> hey folks, is it safe to perform a "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" atm?
[14:47] <maroo> or what I would prefer a "do-release-upgrade --devel-release" ?
[14:49] <Darkrift2> my cursor is gone :(
[14:49] <Darkrift2> i restarted x and its still gone
[14:50] <Darkrift2> when i move the mouse, i get mouseover tips and stuff, but no cursor
[14:51] <nitin> why does kopete crash when trying to use msn?
[14:52] <maroo> Darkrift2: hmm maybe try to set another cursor theme? alt+f2 -> kcontrol -> search mouse and tab around -> Cursor Theme?
[14:54] <Angelus> !adept-fix
[14:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:54] <Angelus> !adept
[14:54] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[14:54] <Angelus> !apt-fix
[14:54] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:54] <Darkrift2> didnt work
[14:55] <maroo> Darkrift2: hmm have you changed anything on you system?
[14:55] <Darkrift2> no, i went to bed
[14:55] <cuznt> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:55] <cuznt> try just that
[14:56] <cuznt> i use that when my apt front end crashes
[14:57] <cuznt> if you restart your desk top <alt> + <ctrl> + backspace and restart in safe mode the terminal there worked best for me, as nothing is up
[14:57] <Bauldrick> whats the best way to convert my .m4p's to mp3?
[14:58] <Angelus> Bauldrick,  lame?
[14:58] <maroo> Bauldrick: best or easiest? :). best for me: mencoder + lame
[14:59] <cuznt> friends dont let friends make mp3's
[15:00] <Bauldrick> easiest then!!!
[15:00] <maroo> for i in *.m4; do mencoder "$i" -o "${i/m4a/mp3}" -oac mp3lame ; done
[15:01] <maroo> *.m4a or what ever .)
[15:01] <maroo> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Audio_conversion <- there are more scripts google just revealed
[15:01] <Bauldrick> cheers
[15:02] <maroo> also m4a to ogg to make cuznt happy :)
[15:02] <cuznt> ;)
[15:04] <jussio1> Bauldrick: I think soundkonverter does that graphically if you prefer
[15:04] <matt1728> !adesklets
[15:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adesklets - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:05] <jussio1> !desklets
[15:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desklets - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:05] <matt1728> does anyone know how to use adesklets?
[15:06] <Jucato> I've heard about it. haven't tried it yet. have you tried superkaramba?
[15:06] <matt1728> no. have you used it?
[15:06] <Jucato> superkaramba? before yes
[15:06] <matt1728> is it easy to use?
[15:06] <Jucato> yep
[15:06] <Jucato> !superkaramba
[15:07] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[15:07] <yao_ziyuan> i have a question
[15:07] <matt1728> cool
[15:07] <Jucato> website is http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
[15:07] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in china, and my home uses a cable connection to the internet
[15:08] <yao_ziyuan> there is a hardware router attached to the cable line
[15:08] <yao_ziyuan> the router is a required thing installed by the local government ISP
[15:08] <yao_ziyuan> its purpose is to filter political keywords
[15:08] <matt1728> lol
[15:09] <matt1728> hahahaha
[15:09] <yao_ziyuan> this implementation can relieve the server load of the Great Firewall
[15:09] <matt1728> your goverment filters the internet?
[15:09] <yao_ziyuan> of course
[15:09] <matt1728> so what cant you go to?
[15:09] <maroo> many goverment do.. not as extreme as china, but they do
[15:10] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder, whether the government can use this router to see or manipulate data in my computer?
[15:10] <matt1728> probably
[15:10] <matt1728> if you're on their network
[15:10] <yao_ziyuan> how?
[15:10] <matt1728> network
[15:10] <yao_ziyuan> i use kubuntu now
[15:10] <yao_ziyuan> and in the "Remote Places",
[15:10] <yao_ziyuan> i don't see anything suspicious
[15:10] <matt1728> hmm lol
[15:11] <maroo> yao_ziyuan:  use tor and make sure your computer is secure from a local network..
[15:11] <blindfish> i don't think they _want to_ manipulate your data
[15:11] <yao_ziyuan> how to make sure i'm secure from a LAN?
[15:11] <maroo> i.e. don't run unnecessary services on the network
[15:11] <yao_ziyuan> i don't
[15:11] <maroo> you should be pretty safe then ..
[15:12] <yao_ziyuan> and i have no special ethernet card drivers
[15:12] <yao_ziyuan> all drivers are provided by ubuntu
[15:12] <maroo> i just would recommend using vpn or tor to make sure your traffic isn't logged
[15:13] <yao_ziyuan> i know that
[15:13] <maroo> still nuts to filter the net with a provided router.. :) would be interesting to hack it and publish the list of keywords etc.
[15:13] <yao_ziyuan> someone proposed to "paralyze the Great Firewall",
[15:13] <maroo> but i guess this is getting OT :)
[15:13] <yao_ziyuan> but when i consider this hardware router,
[15:14] <yao_ziyuan> i don't think the GFW can be paralyzed...
[15:15] <maroo> yao_ziyuan well you can atleast dig tunnels or drill holes :)
[15:15] <blindfish> yao_ziyuan: i don't think anybody knows how intelligent the "GFW" is
[15:16] <blindfish> so if you don't have anythink you should worry about (abc-weapon plans? ^^), just try it out
[15:16] <matt1728> !superkaramba
[15:16] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[15:16] <blindfish> freenet / entropy can tunnel their communication through standard-protocols by default
[15:17] <yao_ziyuan> man, mentioning this word (fri:net) can draw their attention
[15:17] <maroo> blindfish: i guess you don't need abc weapons for that i bet a little tibet is enough :P
[15:17] <yao_ziyuan> what exactly is abc weapons?
[15:18] <yao_ziyuan> yeah. to paralyze china, you just start the HAARP machine and make a little snowstorm
[15:18] <blindfish> yao_ziyuan: thermonuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons ;)
[15:19] <blindfish> maroo: well i think you're right
[15:20] <yao_ziyuan> it's actually interesting to see that during the recent tibet events, there has been a flamewar at youtube about whether 'tibet is, was and will always be part of china',
[15:20] <yao_ziyuan> and china blocks youtube these days,
[15:20] <lars_> hello! i have a question about the virtual desktops of kubuntu. how can i manage, that a application ist only displayed on one virtual desktop an not on everyone?
[15:21] <yao_ziyuan> and some pro-communist guys are calling for people to "go to youtube and help the flamewar"
[15:21] <yao_ziyuan> but how could people "go to youtube"? these pro-communist guys are giving away tools like tor, freeg@te, ultr@surf now
[15:22] <yao_ziyuan> to them, tibet has a higher strategic value than online censorship
[15:22] <blindfish> china doesn't just block youtube in china. i read there were some german, who were pro tibet, aggressivly hacked from china. seems that they want to block the whole world
[15:23] <flipstar> lars_: on kwin? right click on the title and then see
[15:23] <Sir_Corgi> yao_ziyuan: Do you speak English as a first language?  If not, you speak it flawlessly.
[15:25] <yao_ziyuan> this is another story... i exposed to english information more than my peers since childhood, and i have researched linguistics
[15:26] <lars_> yes i can choose on which desktop the app will be displayed, but even if  i just chooese desk 1, it is also displayed in the taskbar of desk 2 for example
[15:26] <Sir_Corgi> I'm always amazed to meet people that learn English so well from things like television or the internet, rather than from a class.
[15:26] <yao_ziyuan> Sir_Corgi: it has to be learnt that way
[15:27] <_Shade_> hi
[15:27] <_Shade_> i have recently changed the host name by hostname command and since then i am unable to use sudo command
[15:27] <ghostcube> hi guys
[15:27] <_Shade_> i got "sudo: unable to resolve host linux-desk"
[15:28] <ghostcube> is kde updating kde3 if i install it or will it be installed side by side ?
[15:28] <ghostcube> *kde4
[15:29] <Nyad> is there a standard repository of kde wallpapers that I can download?
[15:30] <flipstar> lars_: yes..this is typical.. a workaround would probably enable 'show only minimized windows' in kicker (the taskbar)
[15:31] <flipstar> ghostcube: it will be installed beside kde3
[15:31] <flipstar> !themes > Nyad
[15:32] <ghostcube> flipstar: so i need to set the session to kde4 then correct ?
[15:32] <flipstar> in kdm, correct
[15:32] <ghostcube> any howto for installing korrekt into gutsy ? or just kde4-desktop
[15:32] <lars_> hm, i now recognized, that the apps dont appear on the wrong desktops, but are always in the taskbar
[15:33] <flipstar> ghostcube: theres a good tutorial..see the topic in #kubuntu-kde4 for details
[15:33] <ghostcube> oh thx :) flipstar
[15:33] <lars_> i woult like, that only the app of the desktop i use  appears in the taskbar
[15:33] <Darkrift2> anyone have any idea why sometimes i need acpi=off to boot and sometimes i dont?
[15:34] <matt1728> is there a way to run an application from the terminal but  have it run on its own?
[15:34] <lars_> i found a way  to fix that! thank you anyway1
[15:34] <lars_> !
[15:34] <flipstar> matt1728: add "&" at the end of the command
[15:34] <matt1728> thanks
[15:35] <flipstar> lars_: how .. ?
[15:35] <Darkrift2> normally when i boot without it, i get odd graphical problems and it wont finish booting, but someone told me to use noapic and nolapic to fix my wifi which worked and I booted without apci=off, but its not working now and i am unable to boot without that option (which causes my wifi to not work)
[15:35] <ghostcube> flipstar: thx found it :) btw is there any news for the "module couldnt be found for ..." in admin sessions kcontrol
[15:35] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: Go to "Comfigure Panels..."
[15:35] <flipstar> ghostcube: on hardy .. ?
[15:35] <ghostcube> no gutsy
[15:36] <ghostcube> kde 3.5.9 started in 3.5.8 with an update the is an bugtracker  about i thought maybe any news
[15:36] <Odd-rationale> *configure taskbar...
[15:36] <ghostcube> u cant get to system admin mode in kcontrol or systemsettings  it doesnt find the modules
[15:36] <ghostcube> :|
[15:36] <lars_> i am from germany so i can just discribe how i dit it: right click on the taskbar --> Kontrollleiste einrichten --> Fensterleiste --> bei "die Fenster sämtlicher Arbeitsflächen anzeigen" den Haken entfernen
[15:37] <ghostcube> so still sudo kcontrol ?
[15:38] <lars_> translation in english: right click on the taskbar -->konfigure control bar --> window list --> remove the x at  "show the window of every desktop"
[15:45] <nick_> hi
[15:45] <nick_> i try to install gaim-xfire but i got a message libssl0.9.7 dependency is not satisfiable
[15:47] <BluesKaj> nick, check this out http://gfire.sourceforge.net/snapshots/
[15:51] <_Shade_> i have added a public file server applet to my kicker. How can i access it?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> _Shade_, that's a result of your using the share option on a folder. I think if you right click on the icon you can quit it.
[15:55] <randomLongWorkab> Hi. I have a dual boot with kubuntu and windows, now if I intall another distro and I tell it not to install another bootloader since I already have grub. will my grub pick it up?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> _Shade_, unless you intend to share the folder on the internet or network.
[15:55] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: not automagicly
[15:56] <randomLongWorkab> will it be difficult to modify?
[15:56] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: nope, let the next linux-installations write their grub into partition, then add a chainloader into your present grub/menu.lst
[15:57] <_Shade_> BluesKaj: i think i diidn't get what you mean... all i wanted was to open up konqueror, type in the ip and browse what i share
[16:00] <BluesKaj> _Shade_, sharing on a network ..type if you have samba installed type smb:/ into the konq addressbar .It will show your network shares.
[16:03] <_Shade_> BluesKaj: i am going to share it over the net... there's an applet thingy that seems to does so. I've set it to wait for connections on port 80 but it came to nothing
[16:04] <thiemster> how do i add widgets in kde4?
[16:04] <llutz> _Shade_: ask in  #kubuntu-kde4
[16:04] <BluesKaj> hmm , port 80 ... is that safe llutz ?
[16:05] <llutz> thiemster: : ask in  #kubuntu-kde4
[16:05] <thiemster> llutz:ok
[16:05] <llutz> sorry _Shade_, didn't mean you
[16:05] <_Shade_> llutz: why should i bother kde4 folks... it's 3.5
[16:06] <_Shade_> llutz: ah ok :)
[16:06] <llutz> BluesKaj: safety isn't port-dependent
[16:06] <randomLongWorkab> llutz: How do I add a chainloader into the grub/menu.lst?
[16:07] <randomLongWorkab> what is that?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> ahh, hard for me to get rid of the windows mindset
[16:07] <crookshanks> hey guys, is there a script i can put somewhere that KDE will execute when i logout?
[16:07] <crookshanks> similar to .kde/Autostart, except for logging out
[16:07] <randomLongWorkab> crookshanks: are those scripts python scripts? I haven't heard of this before, or is it a shell script?
[16:08] <crookshanks> shell script
[16:08] <randomLongWorkab> tnx
[16:08] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: it's a way to load a 2nd bootloader. just add 2 lines to your exisiting menu.lst: "title new-linux"  and "chainloader(hdX,Y)+1"   <- XYpartition for new installation
[16:08] <crookshanks> AFAIK, you can put any executable file in .kde/Autostart and it will run when you login
[16:08] <crookshanks> i was wondering if there was a logout equivalent
[16:09] <llutz> randomLongWorkab:  e.g. if you install the new linux into /dev/sda5, it's "chainloader(hd0,4)+1"
[16:10] <Vermux> I downloaded samba doc. how do I search and open the documentation?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Vermux, open konq and type locate:samba in the addressbar , you'll get a few hits :)
[16:12] <FSHero> Hi eveyone: can I ask for help on using OpenOffice here?
[16:12] <randomLongWorkab> llutz: so. "title suse10.2" and "chanloader(sda2,0)+1".  I don't get what you mean about install it into "/dev/sda5" because don't I install it into a new partition and not there?
[16:13] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: nope, grub calls disk/partitions different then kernel does. so /dev/sda2 = (hd0,1)
[16:13] <llutz> than
[16:14] <randomLongWorkab> so 0=a  and the 2= 1+1
[16:15] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: yes, sda2=1 because grub begins counting at 0
[16:16] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: just make sure that opensuse writes grub into it's own partition, not into MBR.
[16:16] <randomLongWorkab> will do. thanks
[16:17] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: then you need to reboot into your kubuntu to modify menu.lst once before you can boot suse
[16:17] <llutz> sounds more complicated as it is :)
[16:20] <Dark-Alien-Core> hi guys
[16:21] <Dark-Alien-Core> can the programm ffmpeg convert a flv file into a wmv?
[16:21] <randomLongWorkab> if ogg is the mp3 of linux. what is the avi of linux?
[16:22] <llutz> avi is a container, not a format
[16:22] <Dark-Alien-Core> no its flv file i have kubuntu
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> ogg vorbis is the mp3 of linux. xvid is the divx of linux.
[16:22] <Dark-Alien-Core> and i have an pda with windows
[16:22] <llutz> ogg-theora is a free format
[16:22] <Dark-Alien-Core> i wanted to confert the flv to an wmv file so that the pda play it
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> ogm is the avi of linux, I guess, but it's not used much.
[16:23] <Minnozz> Hi, I have a problem with my audio. Recently, I tried to install the official driver from my (Asus) motherboard sound chip, and a script ruined my sound. Music and normal sounds still work, but when I launch Unreal Tournament 2004, only a bunch of noise/cracks/etc comes from my speakers. How can I fix this?
[16:23] <Dark-Alien-Core> but on  the pda is not linux its windows
[16:23] <Dark-Alien-Core> it can only plays wmv
[16:23] <randomLongWorkab> Dark-Alien-Core: you can play flv with vlc and kaffeine
[16:24] <Dark-Alien-Core> yes with linux i can but i have downloaded a video file in flv,so and i have transfer to my Pocket Pc Pda but it doesnt can play flv why its windows
[16:25] <Dark-Alien-Core> it only can play wmv files
[16:25] <randomLongWorkab> whats a Pocket Pc Pda?
[16:26] <Dark-Alien-Core> its like a mobile telefon
[16:27] <Dark-Alien-Core> in german like pda
[16:27] <Dark-Alien-Core> the os is windows mobile 6
[16:28] <llutz> Dark-Alien-Core:  try  ffmpeg -y -i video.flv  -vcodec msmpeg4 -vtag MP43 -acodec mp3  2pda.wmv
[16:28] <Dark-Alien-Core> öh
[16:29] <brother-> good ideas anyone? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61133/
[16:29] <brother-> aptitude wasn't able to remove it and I, as SU, was neither.
[16:32] <compilerwriter> How is the beta working for you folks?
[16:33] <|Dreams|> can some help me i cant create a key with kgpg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61134/ is the error
[16:35] <stdin> |Dreams|: check the permissions of /home/dreamcoder/.gnupg
[16:35] <|Dreams|> ok
[16:36] <|Dreams|> it says it belongs to root
[16:36] <|Dreams|> so i change by writing "sudo chown dreamcoder" ?
[16:37] <jpatrick> yes
[16:37] <SlimeyPete> sudo chown dreamcoder .gnupg
[16:37] <jpatrick> remember to backup .gnupg regularly..
[16:37] <|Dreams|> ok thanks i wasnt far wrong bad for a newbie haha
[16:37] <stdin> sudo chown -r dreamcoder:dreamcoder ~/.gnupg
[16:37] <|Dreams|> not bad sorry
[16:38] <|Dreams|> it says -r is an invalid argument
[16:38] <|Dreams|> invalid option sorry
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> might be -R
[16:39] <jpatrick> -R
[16:39] <|Dreams|> oki
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> yeah, it is
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> |Dreams|: if you type "man chown" you'll see a manual
[16:39] <|Dreams|> yeah it was -R
[16:39] <Minnozz> Hi, I have a problem with my audio. Recently, I tried to install the official driver from my (Asus) motherboard sound chip, and a script ruined my sound. Music and normal sounds still work, but when I launch Unreal Tournament 2004, only a bunch of noise/cracks/etc comes from my speakers. How can I fix this? (repost :x)
[16:39] <jpatrick> |Dreams|: it's for recursive, so folders inside the folder, will change permissionss too
[16:40] <|Dreams|> ah i see
[16:40] <|Dreams|> what size would you reccomend
[16:40] <|Dreams|> key size
[16:41] <jpatrick> for a key? 1024 has always worked fine for me
[16:41] <|Dreams|> ok
[16:41] <|Dreams|> 12months for expiry
[16:41]  * jpatrick never sets an expiry date, but it's your choice :)
[16:43] <tico> hello yesterday i successfully installed compiz fusion in my machine but when i tried to do the cube and those fancy effects my keyboard suddenly got blocked so i can't type anything
[16:43] <tico> is there a way to prevent compiz to load automatically?
[16:43] <jpatrick> tico: remove the autostart script?
[16:44] <jpatrick> |Dreams|: I suggest you read the gnupg miniguide: http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html
[16:45] <sigma_> how do i delete a entire folder and all the contents inside it via konsole??
[16:45] <llutz> sigma_: rm -rf folder/
[16:45] <jpatrick> sigma_: "rm -r" - warning
[16:46] <sigma_> jpatrick: whats the difference between your command and llutz's command?
[16:46] <drif> f=force
[16:46] <jpatrick> sigma_: his will delete all without question
[16:46] <flipstar> rm -r also ..
[16:46] <llutz> sigma_: it does what you want
[16:46] <flipstar> only rm -ir not
[16:47] <tico> jpatrick: that's what i thought i did but it still loads
[16:47] <jpatrick> tico: kwin --replace removes it?
[16:48] <tico> jpatrick: i can't type anything in X
[16:49] <sigma_> um guys i ran that command and it seems to have deleted half my operating system
[16:49] <jpatrick> tico: hmm, well sorry, don't know
[16:49] <jpatrick> sigma_: I did say "warning"
[16:49] <flipstar> sigma_: what did you set as <folder> ..?
[16:49] <jpatrick> poor guy
[16:49] <tico> what i did was to mv ~/autostart/startcompiz.sh ~/Desktop/
[16:50] <jpatrick> tico: KDE autostart scripts are in ~/.kde/Autostart
[16:50] <flipstar> tico: you probably missed to install/start an window decorator - like emerald
[16:51] <|Dreams|> right thanks for your help got it sorted
[16:51] <|Dreams|> appreciate it
[16:51] <jpatrick> |Dreams|: you're most welcome
[16:52] <|Dreams|> :
[16:52] <|Dreams|> :) byee
[16:54] <tico> flipstar: i have emerald running
[16:54] <tico> its in my startcompiz.sh file
[16:54] <tico> 31892002454026
[16:55] <jpatrick> tico: then remove it
[16:56] <tico> jpatrick: thats what i did but compiz still loads
[16:57] <flipstar> tico: ls $HOME/.kde/Autostart doesnt list it anymore ?
[16:58] <techbw> hi, all.
[16:58] <flipstar> hi techbw
[16:58] <techbw> how can one specify service name for a pppoe connection.  I have search config files, with no success.
[16:59] <tico> flipstar no
[16:59] <techbw> I read that it should be in pppoe.conf in /etc/ppp/ but no such file exists on kubuntu
[16:59] <techbw> the info was for fedora i think
[16:59] <flipstar> tico: did you run 'kwin --replace' before reboot ? maybe its still loaded due saved session
[17:03] <flipstar> techbw: maybe its /etc/ppp/options
[17:03] <techbw> thanks flipstar going to check
[17:04] <flipstar> i dont know much about ppp since i dont use it
[17:05] <techbw> just running home quick
[17:07] <vijay> for some reason amarock is unable to display albumart ; when as the same files work perfectly on audacious / rhythmbox (sys specs : ubunut hardy beta , kde4-desktop installed on gnome-ubuntu )
[17:12] <squixl> hi
[17:12] <SlimeyPete> hi
[17:13] <squixl> slimey pete ;)
[17:14] <squixl> do you know iptraf?
[17:15] <techbw> flipstar --> I don't see any option to enable in options file. if I add in the options file, what is the syntax to use?
[17:15] <squixl> does someone know iptraf?
[17:16] <flipstar> yep.. whats up with that squixl ?
[17:18] <techbw> flipstar...was that directed at me? if you mean -->that is to show that i am speaking to u
[17:20] <flipstar> techbw: as i said i dont know any about ppp try man ppp or so or wait until a expert for this appears :)
[17:21] <squixl> @flipstar i like this tool
[17:21] <squixl> its so cool
[17:22] <squixl> do you know if there is a tool collection with such security tools,
[17:22] <flipstar> i like iftop more..since it its more human readable :)
[17:22] <squixl> i'm interested in it, and i only found this tool...
[17:22] <squixl> iftop?
[17:22] <squixl> i have to try ;)
[17:22] <kemal> hi, i've such a strange problem here, I've been connect to internet via dial-up using kppp, everything seems fine, i can ping throug www.google.com, i can connect other web sites with w3m (console web browser), and i can also connect to IRC with konversation, but i cannot connect to web with konqueror or i cannot connect to msn network with kopete, any suggestions?
[17:22] <squixl> is it in the repo?
[17:23] <squixl> i got it ;)
[17:23] <squixl> i gonna try ;)
[17:23] <flipstar> squixl: iptraf is no security tool at .. it only lists the net traffic..search in adept for security .. :)
[17:23] <squixl> okie ;)
[17:23] <techbw> flipstar: thanks for trying though! I have been looking for the past 2 months on and off...but going to internet cafe each time i want to connect is a little too much now..especially since i am paying for internet at home as well
[17:23] <techbw> just don't know where to look any more
[17:24] <flipstar> techbw: hm normally kppp should detect it ..
[17:24] <techbw> kppp does not detect my config... or at least don't know how to configure it. ;-P
[17:25] <flipstar> it has a wizard i think
[17:25] <randomLongWorkab> testing 1
[17:25] <squixl> @techbw
[17:25] <squixl> whats your problem?
[17:25] <squixl> with ppp?
[17:25] <techbw> need to specify ppp service name.
[17:25] <techbw> in ppp config
[17:26] <squixl> try pppoeconfig
[17:26] <squixl> in shell
[17:26] <squixl> there you can configure your "ppp" connection with user and password, in kubuntu
[17:26] <squixl> in other distributions you have to install ppp support
[17:26] <techbw> it does not work as there are more than one service name on the network, it detects the wrong service, and does not authenticate
[17:26] <squixl> than you can start pppoeconf
[17:27] <techbw> yes, I can...but authentication failure usernam pass not working
[17:27] <techbw> 'brb
[17:27] <algyz> techbw:  sudo ifconfig "good device" up
[17:27] <squixl> in /etc/ppp/ you find the configuration files
[17:27] <algyz> techbw:  sudo ifconfig "bad device" down
[17:28] <squixl> in /etc/ppp/peers there are you're provider
[17:28] <squixl> providers
[17:28] <squixl> perhaps you have to configure the files manually, for example the right eth device
[17:28] <squixl> and a good advice would be to
[17:28] <squixl> make ifconfig ethX down for all devices,
[17:29] <randomLongWorkab> would there be any sound quality benefits if I convert my mp3 files to ogg files?
[17:29] <squixl> and only use one eth device,
[17:29] <squixl> and configure it,
[17:29] <squixl> because if you use more network cards,
[17:29] <squixl> you have to configure the right path for your connection
[17:29] <squixl> like routing ... ;)
[17:29] <squixl> i think
[17:30] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: no but it won't sound better because mp3 already uses lossy compression, so information is lost
[17:33] <squixl> @flipstar ;) iftop is also cool ;)
[17:33] <llutz> squixl: try whireshark
[17:34] <squixl> but how can i see the values ?
[17:34] <llutz> squixl:  wireshark
[17:34] <squixl> i installed iftop, but no values are there
[17:34] <squixl> wireshark -> tcpdump ;) or?
[17:35] <flipstar> squixl: you ran iftop with sudo .. ?
[17:35] <squixl> how would you run iftop?
[17:36] <flipstar> just sudo iftop
[17:36] <squixl> it can't open eth1?
[17:36] <flipstar> iftop -i eth1 then
[17:37] <squixl> no flowrate is detected ;)
[17:37] <squixl> :/
[17:37] <squixl> i mean
[17:37] <squixl> ahhh i see
[17:37] <squixl> i got it,
[17:38] <squixl> does iftop also list udp packages in screen?
[17:38] <squixl> and others?
[17:38] <elvin> Hi, is there a way to see a list of installed files for a package through the console?
[17:38] <squixl> linke icmp, pings ;)
[17:38] <squixl> and so on
[17:38] <flipstar> elvin: dpkg -l
[17:38] <elvin> hey thanks
[17:39] <slow-motion> hi
[17:39] <squixl> hi slow-motion
[17:39] <flipstar> squixl: man iftop :)
[17:40] <squixl> okie ;)
[17:40] <squixl> flip ;)
[17:40] <squixl> but iftop was a fine advice ;)
[17:40] <slow-motion> hi squixl
[17:41] <flipstar> squixl: tiger is also an good security tool .. it analyze your system and shows you prossible security issues
[17:41] <randomLongWorkab> llutz: but if I convert from my music cd straight to ogg would it be better than the mp3?
[17:42] <llutz> randomLongWorkab: yes, ogg at same bitrate sound better than mp3 (imho)
[17:42] <squixl> what fs you prefer?
[17:42] <squixl> ext2 or ext3 ?
[17:42] <flipstar> between these..ext3
[17:42] <jpatrick> squixl: ext3 is ext2 with jornualing
[17:42] <randomLongWorkab> what is journaling?
[17:42] <squixl> yes journaling means that the filenames are more often on your hdd disk
[17:42] <squixl> or?
[17:42] <squixl> data is once?
[17:43] <squixl> if you do not use raid
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> !info kgrubeditor hardy
[17:43] <randomLongWorkab> !info kgrubeditor hardy
[17:43] <llutz> randomLongWorkab  squixl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[17:44] <squixl> commit?
[17:44] <squixl> is it like a DB?
[17:44] <flipstar> squixl: with journaling its usally easier to recover
[17:44] <squixl> so it seems to be more secure?
[17:45] <randomLongWorkab> isn't ext2 much _faster_?
[17:45] <squixl> if you can recover ;)
[17:45] <flipstar> squixl: thats what fsck is for :)
[17:45] <squixl> i always asked myself how i can read out the fat from a fat fs
[17:45] <squixl> is there a tool ?
[17:46] <squixl> if i would create a device like
[17:46] <jpatrick> !enter | squixl
[17:46] <ubotu> squixl: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[17:46] <squixl> dd if=/dev/zero of=fsfat && mkfs -t vfat fsfat
[17:47] <squixl> and copy some files there,
[17:47] <squixl> is it possible to show which files are there, without mounting the fs?
[17:47] <randomLongWorkab>  isn't ext2 much _faster_ than ext3?
[17:47] <squixl> @randomLongWorkab i also think that
[17:47] <squixl> because i heard ext3 needs more performance cause of this redundancy
[17:48] <flipstar> yes..but it is very configureable
[17:48] <randomLongWorkab> flipstar: the filesystem/
[17:48] <randomLongWorkab> ?
[17:48] <squixl> zfs should also be nice i heard
[17:48] <squixl> ;)
[17:48] <squixl> its also a journaling fs
[17:48] <jpatrick> randomLongWorkab: I suppose, but less easier to recover thanks to no journaling
[17:49] <randomLongWorkab> I read this from the link that llutz sent me. Such file systems are less likely to become corrupted in the event of power failure or system crash.
[17:49] <flipstar> squixl: it depends very on your needs..ask google for an comparison
[17:49] <randomLongWorkab> that is ext3 with its journaling
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> bots dead <_<
[17:49] <squixl> ahhh my digitalfriend google, oke ;)
[17:49] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: no !info
[17:50] <flipstar> he's alive in privat query
[17:50] <flipstar> maybe he was banned or so..
[17:50] <randomLongWorkab> I have a lot of power failures so I don't want stuff to just go missing, unless this means if I was in the middle of a download or a copy from one device to another and not for normal browsing on my HD
[17:50] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: isn't !info the bot?
[17:50] <squixl> than its better for u 2 use a journaling fs
[17:51] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: must have cleared it's apt cache
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> ah
[17:57] <ksal> hi, is there something like Vmware Workstation for Linux, but free of course ?
[17:57] <muesli> vmware player
[17:57] <jussio1> !virtualbox
[17:57] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[17:57] <vitok> Hallo Leute! Kann mir mal wer sagen, wie ich bei dem Acer Aspire mit Kubuntu 7.10 das Bild an einen Beamer schicken kann?
[17:58] <muesli> ksal: oh, that kind of free, sorry :)
[17:58] <jussio1> !de | vitok
[17:58] <ubotu> vitok: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> virtualbox beats the pants off any vmware product
[17:58] <vitok> Heißen Dank!
[17:58] <vitok> Hallo Leute! Kann mir mal wer sagen, wie ich bei dem Acer Aspire mit Kubuntu 7.10 das Bild an einen Beamer schicken kann?
[17:58] <jpatrick> vitok: /join #kubuntu-de
[17:59] <ksal> thanks :)
[17:59] <ksal> is it available in repo?
[18:14] <flipstar> yes..in the universe repos
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> too late
[18:15] <flipstar> oh
[18:15] <flipstar> but virtualbox cant play vmx images..or ?
[18:15] <nosrednaekim> hey does anyone here have a Ubuntu Dell?
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> does the 1GB version use two 512 sticks or 1 1GB stick?
[18:18] <flipstar> google says [2 x 512]
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: thanks!   (and for making me look lazy <_<)
[18:19] <flipstar> :)
[18:37]  * genii sips some cough syrup
[18:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: i do have an ubuntu dell, 2x1gb :)
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah, I think thats what i'm going to get....(I might be getting a new comp)
[18:51] <squixl> @flip ;) hexedit is also a nice security tool ;)
[18:51] <squixl> (: you can watch files in hexformat ;)
[18:51] <llutz> squixl: it isn't a security-tool at all
[18:51] <squixl> not really a security tool
[18:52] <squixl> yeah you're right,
[18:52] <squixl> but i mean a nice tool, ;)
[18:52] <squixl> its a better editing tool i've seem
[18:52] <squixl> ever
[18:52] <squixl> cause you can do all things you want,
[18:53] <squixl> search ascii/hex save/ or exit
[18:53] <St4rd0g> so... amarok tends to hang after first start...... everytime....... anyone?
[18:53] <squixl> install mplayer?
[18:53] <squixl> apt-get install mplayer
[18:53] <St4rd0g> got it...
[18:53] <squixl> and?
[18:53] <ere4si> St4rd0g: changed where you're files are?
[18:54] <squixl> i want to learn something about security ,
[18:54] <squixl> but i dont know where to learn ?
[18:54] <St4rd0g> i don't know... cant remember doing anything... it just startert to act strange out of the blue
[18:54] <squixl> more about it,
[18:55] <flipstar> squixl: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
[18:57] <St4rd0g> it hangs, when trying to start a melody.... and on the second start everything works
[18:57] <venik> I was transferring a 4.7 gb file from my hard drive to a USB hard drive, when it STALLED.  How do I restart it?
[18:58] <ere4si> St4rd0g: try removing where it looks for files and reloading it
[18:58] <St4rd0g> ere4si: ok... will do... thx for now
[18:59] <ere4si> St4rd0g: good luck
[18:59] <genii> venik: What file system is on the USB drive, FAT/VFAT?
[18:59] <Kr|ptiX> can someone help me fix my sound it was workn but when i woke up its not workn now
[19:00] <flipstar> squixl: try tiger..install it and then run "sudo tiger -e" and see at the log file when it is finished
[19:02] <Kr|ptiX> !sound
[19:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[19:06] <genii> venik: Because for instance 4Gb is the largest file size that you could put on that kind of filesystem.
[19:09] <Kr|ptiX> genii: u kno anything bout sound
[19:10] <genii> Kr|ptiX: I have a problemmatic intel HDA adapter which required recompiling ALSA. But generally no
[19:10]  * genii hands BluesKaj a coffee
[19:11] <Kr|ptiX> genii: :(
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> genii: can't wait for hardy so we don't have to deal with those IntelHDA's anymore
[19:12] <kaminix> Anyone here know how to create a winrar archive with file1 and file2?
[19:13] <kaminix> Then split it up in 8192kb parts, but I think I can solve that part myself.
[19:13] <siso> noob here....quick question...trying to get the bcm43xx-fwcutter with apt-get on Feisty, and dpkg is returning an error. Ideas?
[19:13] <genii> siso: What error, exactly?
[19:14] <Kr|ptiX> genii: how do i kno wat soundcard i have
[19:14] <Frederick> folks which packages do I need for latex in kubuntu?
[19:15] <siso> "subprocess post installation script returned error exit status (1)
[19:15] <siso> "
[19:16] <siso> It's sending an HTTP request and getting a 404 error, as well
[19:17] <kelsa|martalli> Frederick: In adept, find latex...click the about and it will show you which packages latex depends on
[19:18] <siso> Any help? Or is there more that I can find out?
[19:18] <flipstar> siso: youre on 64bit ?
[19:19] <genii> Kr|ptiX: If the system recognised it, then: asoundconf list                   if it didn't see it then: lspci | grep Audio
[19:19] <siso> flipstar: no, PPC
[19:19] <flipstar> hm the 404 then probably means no ppc package availible
[19:20] <siso> I know that it will work...i have seen it work , just not sure what I'm doing wrong...
[19:20] <Kr|ptiX> genii : i guess this is wat i got Names of available sound cards: Intel
[19:20] <siso> it downloaded the package just fine, it's the install script that's getting the 404
[19:20] <flipstar> siso: maybe you'll get more output with aptitude
[19:20] <genii> flipstar: I suspect "post install" means it downloaded. But likely the firmware isnt around possibly
[19:21] <siso> flipstar: yeah, I'll check that out
[19:21] <siso> genii: it offered to fetch the firmware for me, I selected yes
[19:21] <genii> Kr|ptiX: What does the: lspci |grep Audio             report? Some HDA adapter?
[19:22] <Kr|ptiX> genii: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[19:23] <genii> Kr|ptiX: I would suggest then to follow the instructions to recompile the ALSA stuff
[19:23] <Kr|ptiX> where i get instructions?
[19:23] <genii> !intelhda | Kr|ptiX they are found here. But use most recent ALSA
[19:23] <ubotu> Kr|ptiX they are found here. But use most recent ALSA: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[19:24] <genii> Kr|ptiX: The ALSA download page, to get latest: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download
[19:25] <squizl> @flipstar ?
[19:25] <squizl> which antivirus do you use for linux?
[19:25] <squizl> or which should i use for kubuntu
[19:25] <flipstar> i dont need an antivirus for my linux
[19:27] <squizl> why,
[19:27] <squizl> i heard there is a scanner for linux?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> !antivrus | squizl
[19:27] <flipstar> sure..klamav for e.g
[19:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about antivrus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:27] <BluesKaj> !virus
[19:28] <flipstar> squizl antivirus on linux usally just search for windows viruses
[19:28] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[19:28] <algyz> squizl:  antivirus in linux is used to scan windows partitions
[19:28] <flipstar> since they are no linux viruses in the wild
[19:28] <squizl> cause the updates are faster?
[19:29] <algyz> squizl:  no, cause of different architecture
[19:29] <BluesKaj> squizl, read this http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[19:30] <flipstar> squizl i have a script that searches for changes/rootkits http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61149/
[19:30] <flipstar> of corse you'll need all apps listed there, then
[19:31] <squizl> @flipstar -> there is a tool called chrootkit or so
[19:31] <squizl> for scanning
[19:31] <flipstar> chkrootkit, right..just look at the link above
[19:32] <flipstar> it never detects any..but im kind of paranoid
[19:32] <farzad56> colors = on
[19:33] <genii> siso:You might find some info here on what firmware to get, where from and so on http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[19:34] <Kr|ptiX> genii: now my sound is workn an i didnt even do shit lol
[19:34] <jpatrick> !ohmy | Kr|ptiX
[19:34] <ubotu> Kr|ptiX: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:35] <Kr|ptiX> srry
[19:35] <genii> Kr|ptiX: Well, if you find later the microphone input for instance isn't working, follow the instructions from the link
[19:35] <siso> genii: I think I may have found the problem... you were correct, BTW...the page that the install script was linking to in order to get the firmware is gone. I just have to find it and use the fwcutter manually
[19:40] <ubuntu> Andrew Doades, are you here?
[19:41] <ubuntu> also, hi everybody!
[19:41] <jpatrick> !hi | ubuntu
[19:41] <ubotu> ubuntu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:41] <ubuntu> :-)
[19:42] <maxnorld> hi there
[19:42] <siso> Gotta reboot and try this....thanks for the help genii and flipstar
[19:42] <ubuntu> I'm new to Kubuntu though I have had openSUSE on KDE before, what's IRC?
[19:43] <flipstar> IRC=Internet Relay Chat, the chat you just entered ;)
[19:43] <jpatrick> !irc
[19:43] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[19:43] <maxnorld> i already install kubuntu feisty ... and i need upgrade to kubuntu 7.10 .... what do i need to do?   just change the sources.list?
[19:43] <jpatrick> ubotu: welcome :)
[19:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:44] <smokeIT> I just started up my pc and my screen resolution was only 640x480 and i cant get it back to normal
[19:44] <jpatrick> ubuntu*
[19:44] <smokeIT> how come?
[19:44] <tzanger> good afternoon everyone
[19:44] <blublu> anyone tried grub and truecrypt to combine to boot a encrypted win drive?
[19:44] <blublu> is this possible?
[19:44] <tzanger> with openoffice, there used to be a program called spadmin to configure the printers with openoffice... I can't find this with Kubuntu 7.10, and openoffice printers do not match the kprinter printers (obviously) -- is there something simple I'm missing
[19:45] <flipstar> blublu: this is quit difficult..better use LUKS/cryptsetup
[19:45] <blublu> hm have u tried this?
[19:45] <blublu> i just killed the TC mbr
[19:45] <Darkrift2> ere4si, are you around?
[19:45] <flipstar> no i'm afraid of tc
[19:45] <blublu> backed it up before
[19:45] <blublu> lol
[19:45] <enby> hello kubuntu masters! i can't get my monitor to go higher than 60Hz, using nv driver. If i change to nvidia, then i get smth like "no monitors detected" :(
[19:45] <ere4si> Darkrift2: one min pls
[19:45] <flipstar> blublu: luks is much better for linux i found out
[19:45] <blublu> why?
[19:46] <blublu> is it complicated?
[19:46] <flipstar> its just faster
[19:46] <blublu> oh i dont need it for linux, i need it for windows, because i got some sensible data on it :/
[19:46] <blublu> and i need windows because some software we bought is written for windows
[19:46] <blublu> thats the only reason why i installed truecrypt...
[19:46] <ubuntu> Merci beacoup flipstar
[19:46] <ubuntu> beaucoup**
[19:46] <flipstar> blublu: you dont need to crypt the whole drive..you can make a crypted partition then
[19:47] <maxnorld> i need to upgrade feisty to kubuntu 7.10 .... what codename use this version?
[19:47] <blublu> hm yes or i could use container...
[19:47] <flipstar> gutsy
[19:47] <maxnorld> thanks!
[19:47] <blublu> so i think i have to try to revert my oeh actions?
[19:47] <flipstar> maxnorld but better use apt..
[19:47] <blublu> sry my english is not the best
[19:47] <maxnorld> so.... just change   feisty by gutsy in sources.list ?
[19:47] <flipstar> maxnorld this would be one method..
[19:48] <flipstar> !upgrade | maxnorld
[19:48] <ubotu> maxnorld: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:48] <ere4si> Darkrift2: hi, what's up
[19:48] <maxnorld> thanks again
[19:48] <Darkrift2> sorry to keep bothering you but you are the one who always solves my problem
[19:49] <ere4si> Darkrift2: use my nic pls - doing lots atm
[19:49] <flipstar> smokeIT: you could just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh or edit the xorg.conf
[19:49] <Darkrift2> ere4si,  you had me add "noapic nolapic"and remove apci=off
[19:49] <ere4si> Darkrift2: yep
[19:49] <Darkrift2> ere4si, it booted that one time and everything was perfect, but after a reboot, it wouldnt boot, i got the graphics error again that acpi=off fixes
[19:50] <Baulders> soundkonverter doesnt support m4p, how do i remove drm from m4p so they are m4a (then convert to mp3)
[19:50] <tzanger> ahh it is still spadmin
[19:50] <tzanger> it's just not in the path
[19:51] <ere4si> Darkrift2: if I remember right you had the acpi=off before noapic etc so try it with acpi=off at the end and reboot
[19:52] <smokeIT> flipstar: the shell command didn't work, where do i find the xorg.conf
[19:52] <azuki> what is kubuntu's text-editor called?
[19:52] <tzanger> vi? :-)
[19:52] <tzanger> kate works
[19:53] <flipstar> !editor | azuki
[19:53] <ubotu> azuki: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code
[19:53] <flipstar> !xorg | smokeIT
[19:53] <ubotu> smokeIT: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[19:53] <azuki> kate!.. that was it.. thanks :)
[19:54] <tzanger> :-) np
[19:54] <Frederick> folks I have the folowing error in kile Undenined control sequence \includegraphics but ive installed texlive-latex-extra any ideas?
[19:54] <flipstar> smokeIT: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:54] <ubuntu> Utilisateurs Bonjour! Quelqu'un ici parler français?
[19:54] <ubuntu> Je suis de Paris et à besoin d'un peu de
[19:55] <flipstar> #kubuntu-fr
[19:55] <ubuntu>  Conseils sur la Kubuntu
[19:55] <ubuntu> Merci, au revoir!
[19:55] <ubuntu> :-)
[19:55] <npurciful> what is the kubuntu hardy channel
[19:55] <flipstar> Frederick: you might try in #latex
[19:55] <flipstar> npurciful: #ubuntu+1
[19:55] <npurciful> okay
[19:56] <Darkrift2> ere4si, so i added acpi=off again and now wifi (and other stuff) isnt working again
[19:56] <Darkrift2> i was wondering what could have changed to make that happen
[19:56] <Darkrift2> ere4si, ive installed lots of dev apps (openembedded and soem other stuff) and did upgrade on all my packages, but i dont think i did anythign that messes with boot
[19:57] <Darkrift2> sorry ere4si the computer im leeching internet off shutdown :(
[19:58] <ubuntu>   Hola gente. Mi nombre es Pedro y me hablan español, ¿hay alguien aquí que hable mi idioma? Muy apreciado!
[19:58] <ere4si> Darkrift2: hmmm
[19:58] <Darkrift2> did you get all that i said?
[19:58] <ere4si> Darkrift2: 3 entries?
[19:58] <Darkrift2> i dont understand
[19:59] <Pedro-spain>   Hola gente. Mi nombre es Pedro y me hablan español, ¿hay alguien aquí que hable mi idioma? Muy apreciado!
[19:59] <Darkrift2> Pedro-spain, try #kubuntu-es
[19:59] <Darkrift2> i think
[19:59] <genii> !es | Pedro-spain
[19:59] <ubotu> Pedro-spain: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:00] <ere4si> Darkrift2: what is the notebook model pls?
[20:00] <Darkrift2> v6210us
[20:00] <Darkrift2> compaq presario
[20:00] <Pedro-spain> gracias!
[20:02] <Pedro-spain> I was just messing about, my name is Peter and 'm English!
[20:02] <Pedro-spain> desole!
[20:02] <Pedro-spain> Sorry lol
[20:02] <Darkrift2> basically i need to know what apci=off does that fixes my video because that conflicts with my wifi/audio/power management/cpu scaling, but without it booting gives me a plasma like display with white/black/grey lines that swirl around (its not just x because ctrl-alt-bkspc doesnt give me a prompt)
[20:06] <Pedro-spain> auf weirdessen
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> Pedro-spain: please stop
[20:06] <Pedro-spain> mye germen isnot verry good
[20:07] <Pedro-spain> pouur-qui?
[20:07] <Pedro-spain> why?
[20:07] <jussio1> Pedro-spain: this is a support channel, if you just want to mess around/chat, please go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:07] <Pedro-spain> Why should I stop?
[20:07] <genii> Because it's irritating, for one reason
[20:07] <Pedro-spain> lo;l
[20:07] <Pedro-spain> You lot are so easy to annoy!
[20:07] <Darkrift2> no, you are just good at it
[20:08] <Darkrift2> years of practice i bet
[20:08] <Pedro-spain> Yes
[20:08] <Pedro-spain> correct! lol
[20:08] <Pedro-spain> erm, well I will go in a min, just completing the live cd install of kubuntu!
[20:08] <Pedro-spain> tthen I will be out of yor hair!
[20:08] <Pedro-spain> I am on a macintosh
[20:10] <Pedro-spain> I'm in Offtopic now|! so if anybody wishes to be annoyed an irritated, get in there lol!
[20:10] <ritalin> moin
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> hey ritalin
[20:10] <genii> Darkrift2: By chance do you have some intel based chipset?
[20:11] <ubuntu2776> yes I do
[20:11] <Darkrift2> i htink its a nvidia chipset
[20:12] <ubuntu2776> lol
[20:12] <jhutchins_wk> Darkrift2: acpi is the Advanced Configuration and Power Interface - so mostly power management.
[20:12] <jhutchins_wk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[20:13] <Darkrift2> have yuo ever heard of my video problem before?
[20:13] <Darkrift2> its a very odd thing to watch
[20:13] <Darkrift2> the first time i saw it, i was almost scared I had fried something because its so abnormal
[20:14] <genii> Darkrift2: There is another kernel option which sometimes works when you get odd things between the mouse/pointer and keyboard/sound/wifinot working, which is usb-handoff
[20:15] <Darkrift2> well as it is, with acpi=off its just hte odd display (as far as i can tell, that stops me from seeing what happens), but yesterday i booted just fine without acpi=off and everything worked
[20:15] <Darkrift2> erm, i think i said that wrong
[20:15] <Darkrift2> acpi=off boots, but nothing works, without it i cant boot *(except once yesterday, and everything worked perfectly)
[20:16] <Darkrift2> also i get an error during boot about bios problems
[20:16] <Darkrift2> lemme get a dmesg
[20:16] <Darkrift2> [   51.877671] PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "pnpbios=off" option to operate stably
[20:16] <Darkrift2> coudl that possibly be an issue?
[20:17] <Darkrift2> i didnt want to just start changing things without knowing what they did
[20:17] <Darkrift2> and since ere4si told me to remove acpi=off yesterday and it worked (just once though) im figureing that setting should work, but something else changed
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift2: its not going to blow up your computer ;)
[20:19] <jhutchins_wk> Darkrift2: Is there an update available for your BIOS?
[20:19] <Darkrift2> yeah, but if i change too many things i might not remember all i changed if it messes something else up
[20:19] <Darkrift2> im not sure, but i can check
[20:19]  * Kr|ptiX Is Now-[Away] Reason-[its a nice day so im outside need me call 740-821-7977 after 7 though lol :)] [modified]
[20:19] <jhutchins_wk> Keep notes.
[20:19] <Darkrift2> will i be able to update from linux? arent most bios updates from windows?
[20:19] <jhutchins_wk> Change one thing at a time and keep notes.
[20:19] <jhutchins_wk> Darkrift2: You may need a dos boot disk to run the updater.
[20:20] <Darkrift2> ack
[20:20] <jhutchins_wk> Darkrift2: Good manufacturers will offer a link on their update page.
[20:22] <Darkrift2> doesnt seem to fix anything important cept for fan issues
[20:22] <Darkrift2> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-56284-1&lc=en&cc=us&os=228&dlc=en&product=3340118
[20:22] <jermain> does anyone have here experience with virtualbox?
[20:22] <Darkrift2> if thats even newer then what i have
[20:22] <Darkrift2> but ill try it
[20:23] <DarkriftX> and i ahve my handheld in here so i can stay connected :S
[20:23] <Darkrift2> wait, its a windows only exe :(
[20:23] <Darkrift2> and i wiped my vista partitions yesterday
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> jermain: a little
[20:25] <jermain> all help is welcome ^^; i can't get around the no bootable found
[20:25] <jermain> and i want to boot from cd
[20:25] <Darkrift2> ok, extracted all the files from the exe with cabextract and it appears its almost all dos batch files... ill try to find a dos boot cd or an image i can boot from a usb key
[20:25] <jermain> i unmounted my cd in my gutsy host
[20:25] <milo> hi all
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> jermain: are you trying to boot an iso file, or from a actual cd?
[20:25] <jermain> and checkd the mount drive box in the vb settings
[20:25] <milo> sorry for kubuntu italian???
[20:25] <jermain> an actual cd
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> !it
[20:26] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[20:26] <Darkrift2> nevermind, all the utils that do the flashing are win32 exe's :(
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> jermain: so you checked that... and its still not working?
[20:26] <jermain> yes
[20:26] <jermain> i even tried it again and checked the passthrough thing
[20:26] <jermain> didn't work either
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> does the liveCD boot in the actual computer>
[20:27] <jermain> hmm.. havent tried that..
[20:27] <peppelorum> I'm having a hard time to login in to my newly installed kde4-session, I get a message that says "call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) check your installation", if I check /var/log/kdm.log I see http://paste-it.net/7604
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> you may have burned it wrong
[20:28] <peppelorum> someone with a solution to this problem?
[20:28] <jermain> I'll try it on my pther comp
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> peppelorum: oh... I saw that before.... but I forget the fix
[20:28] <peppelorum> nosrednaekim: someone mentioned deleting .kde and .kde4, which I'm not gonna do..
[20:29] <jermain> nvm, the other comp is occupied, i'll try it tomorrow and if it doesnt work i'll boot from an iso
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> peppelorum: you can try temorarily moving them
[20:29] <jermain> its betty by time anyway hehe
[20:29] <jermain> thank you for help norednaekim
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> jermain: :)
[20:29] <jermain> ^^
[20:30] <peppelorum> nosrednaekim: of course, but the log says the error is in some permissions in /tmp
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> peppelorum: ok... seems you don't have write permission to /tmp which is odd
[20:31] <peppelorum> nosrednaekim: I have, but /tmp/1324085555/ is owned by root and not by my user
[20:32] <azuki> when switching to KDE it kinda made my original GNOME desktop disapear..
[20:32] <azuki> anybody know if it's totally gone?
[20:32] <DarkriftX> ok, i found the problem
[20:32] <DarkriftX> my /boot/grub/menu.lst keeps getting overwritten
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> peppelorum: try sudo chown -R yourusername.yourusername /tmp/thatlongnumber
[20:33] <DarkriftX> i had typo's in th eother one (i put noapci nolapci instead of *apic) and its getting changed back each time
[20:33] <DarkriftX> editing the menu.list file only seems to work for one boot
[20:34] <peppelorum> nosrednaekim: the number gets regenrated every time I try to login so I'm not quite sure that would work, but it is one way around it
[20:34] <genii> DarkriftX: Remember it's noacpi  and NOT noapci
[20:34] <DarkriftX> i know
[20:34] <DarkriftX> actually no
[20:35] <DarkriftX> its no APIC and nolAPIC
[20:35] <DarkriftX> but the first time i tried it, i typed it wrong
[20:35] <DarkriftX> and every time i reboot, it reverts to that
[20:35] <coggz> where do i ask hardware questions?
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> peppelorum: oh right... didn't think of that
[20:35] <Darkrift2> everything is working perfect again
[20:35] <Darkrift2> but if i reboot, it wont work again
[20:36] <Darkrift2> what would be causing menu.lst to be restored each boot?
[20:36] <genii> Do you have some separate /boot partition?
[20:36] <Darkrift2> nope
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> coggz: here
[20:36] <Darkrift2> ext2 and swap
[20:37] <Darkrift2> im editing the menu.lst~ hoping thats what its restored from
[20:37] <Darkrift2> so if it does restore, it restores from a good copy :)
[20:37] <genii> Darkrift2: You're editing with admin rights, hopefully
[20:37] <Darkrift2> sudo
[20:39] <Darkrift2> how do i compare 2 files?
[20:39] <Darkrift2> to see all differences
[20:39] <coggz> ok... i have to choose between buying a motherboard and fitting it into my box, or buying the board in a case with PSU, and a cd-rw. It needs a sata drive either way, and just the board needs a heat sink... what is better?
[20:40] <Darkrift2> nevermind
[20:40] <Darkrift2> they seem to be the same now
[20:40] <Darkrift2> im almost afraid to reboot
[20:40] <Darkrift2> here goes nothing
[20:40] <genii> It should only be overwritten when you have a kernel upgrade
[20:40] <DarkriftX> it gets overwritten every boot
[20:41] <DarkriftX> ive changed it 3 times now (last 2 were tests)
[20:41] <DarkriftX> so now the backup is identical to the orig
[20:41] <DarkriftX> so it shouldnt matter , unless there is another backup i dont see
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> coggz: go iwth whats cheapest
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> DarkriftX: menu.lst~ is a backup file.
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> DarkriftX: You can just remove it.
[20:42] <DarkriftX> w00t, works
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> DarkriftX: Really?
[20:42] <DarkriftX> yes
[20:42] <coggz> ok, both are 3ghz, 512mb, and the board is £50 £3.99 for heat sink, in case is £99 need sata for appr. £30
[20:42] <DarkriftX> so it was some sort of auto restore causing it
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> Where were you editing it before?
[20:42] <genii> DarkriftX: Maybe make sure your changes are not between the lines: ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[20:42] <DarkriftX> because ere4si told me to add "noapic nolapic" to mny kernel boot (which fixed my wifi problems)
[20:42] <coggz> or... i could go for a rm tablet pc for £45 and have to find a digitizer pen...
[20:43] <DarkriftX> i did, but i spelled it wrong
[20:43] <DarkriftX> after i fixed the spelling error, it worked great, then i rebooted and nothing worked....
[20:43] <DarkriftX> because after the reboot it was rewritten
[20:44] <andybleaden> Hi kubuntu newbie
[20:44] <coggz> what are tablets like on linux?
[20:45] <peppelorum> In what package should I find kde4-config for gutsy?
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> hi andybleaden
[20:45] <xenol> hello, can some help me plz and tell me where does kubuntu store colour schemes?
[20:45] <genii> coggz: The default xorg.conf setup supports wacom tablets pretty much "out-of-box"
[20:45] <MacTaylor> is 8.3GB a lot for kubuntu?
[20:45] <Agent_bob> what's that konqueror command to open an ssh connection ?
[20:46] <coggz> not graphic tablets, i mean tablet pcs
[20:46] <DrakeJustice> xenol: /home/user/.kde/share/*...
[20:46] <Agent_bob> MacTaylor for system yes
[20:46] <xenol> DrakeJustice: ty
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> MacTaylor: if you have plenty of programs installed, no
[20:46] <Agent_bob> anyone   what's that konqueror command to open an ssh connection ?
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> xenol: .kde/share/config/kdeglobals to be precise
[20:47] <genii> Agent_bob: ssh -l username -p port# url/IP
[20:47] <MacTaylor> ive used 5.1GB all ready.
[20:47] <genii> Sorry, terminal/console
[20:47] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim you have installed that much ???
[20:47] <MacTaylor> so say around 6GB then?
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: fish:/ or ssh:/
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: I'm using about 5 right now, and I don't have any games or such installed
[20:49] <genii> Agent_bob: ssh://name@place:port                 but it just opens up Konsole anyhow
[20:49] <Agent_bob> genii no the one that lets konq browse the ssh connection
[20:51] <genii> Agent_bob: Then    sftp://name@placename/directory/to/open:port
[20:52] <andybleaden> People here had any joy trying the kde 4
[20:53] <coggz> what are tablets like on linux?
[20:53] <jpatrick> andybleaden: we hang out in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:53] <andybleaden> oh
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> andybleaden: I've been using it for 3 months or so
[20:53] <andybleaden> sorry- has it been problematic
[20:53] <matt1728> !amule
[20:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amule - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:53] <andybleaden> cool cheers for that
[20:53] <Agent_bob> genii   konqueror address bar >>  fish://user@ip
[20:54] <matt1728> is there anyway to make a command begin on startup
[20:54] <Agent_bob> matt1728 several ways
[20:54] <MacTaylor> will switching to jfs Make my computer load faster?
[20:54] <andybleaden> put a bash command script in the kde folder
[20:54] <Agent_bob> !autostart
[20:54] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[20:54] <andybleaden> ha beat me to it
[20:54] <andybleaden> I have it for my wireless connection
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> andybleaden: not really, some of the features are missing..but you can supplement them with kde3 apps
[20:54] <matt1728> k thanks
[20:55] <trappist> MacTaylor: maybe a little faster, maybe a little slower, but almost certainly not noticeably different
[20:55] <andybleaden> ah right....will join the chat room later
[20:55] <MacTaylor> talking miliseconds if speed difference?
[20:55] <andybleaden> Have any of you had a play about with conky
[20:55] <Darkrift2> thanks for the help everyone, I decided to post my problems/solution to the forums so that maybe someone else might be able to fix thier issues with my solution. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4592489#post4592489
[20:56] <Darkrift2> if it worked for me, might be some other poor fool out there with the same issue who will get stuck with vista because he cant figure it out
[20:56] <trappist> MacTaylor: probably something like that.  jfs is fast, but it has more journaling overhead, generally, than ext3.  reiserfs might make more of a difference, but I've had too many stability problems with it to recommend it.  xfs is also fast, but grub hates it.
[20:56] <MacTaylor> so just stick with ext3?
[20:56] <ere4si> Darkrift2: glad you got it sorted pal :)
[20:57] <trappist> MacTaylor: I've tried most of what's available over the years, and now I'm back on ext3.  that's my recommendation.
[20:57] <MacTaylor> ok
[20:58] <trappist> MacTaylor: ext3 has one other bonus - it's the only one with decent recovery tools if you, say, accidentally delete something and your, um, backups fail for some reason
[20:59] <MacTaylor> ok i will stick with ext3 then.
[21:00] <pleaseandthankyo> do you have to respect and let them know that you respect others beliefs? what if someone hurt you for not respecting?
[21:02] <Darkrift2> me too ere4si, windows is unreliable even when your not booting from it (i was using a crossover and ICS to get internet on my linux laptop from windows when wifi wasnt working)
[21:02] <andybleaden> Anyone here got any new tricks with conky...got a normal set up but want it to tell me more
[21:03] <genii> pleaseandthankyo: This channel is for technical assistance with kubuntu. If there's an answer to your (non technical support) question it's unlikely to be found here.
[21:03] <Jucato> genii: you need coffee :)
[21:04] <jpatrick> genii: troll :(
[21:04] <genii> Jucato: Probably, I've been on the flu medication all day
[21:04] <Vermux> how do I list processes that are running. I have few of them I want to kill
[21:04] <ere4si> andybleaden: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=171 is good for tricks
[21:04] <Jucato> genii: aw.. hope you get better :)
[21:04] <Jucato> jpatrick: botroll :)
[21:05] <genii> Jucato: Heh, thanks.
[21:06] <Vermux> everything is stuck here
[21:06] <genii> Jucato: I see now I really must need caffeine. They left before
[21:06] <andybleaden> thanks ere4si
[21:06] <ere4si> k
[21:06] <Vermux> kds not responding
[21:06] <ere4si> Vermux: top    in konsole
[21:07] <genii> Also ps ax     or such
[21:07] <Darkrift2> whats the best way to get a root console?
[21:07] <ere4si> !root
[21:07] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:08] <Darkrift2> lol!
[21:08] <ere4si> hehe
[21:08] <Darkrift2> i mean from an icon
[21:08] <Darkrift2> i want an icon on my desktop/menu that opens a root console
[21:08] <Darkrift2> i have soemthing that im building in a platform that needs root or fails (yes, i know thats stupid but i cant fix it)
[21:09] <Darkrift2> and i want to make a way to open it from my quicklaunch
[21:09] <ere4si> Darkrift2: that could be a security risk...
[21:09] <Darkrift2> i thought there was something like gksudo konsole
[21:09] <genii> Darkrift2: kdesu konsole
[21:09] <ere4si> Darkrift2: kdesudo konsole
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> or just sudo -i
[21:09] <ere4si> still asks for password
[21:10] <ere4si> tho
[21:10] <Darkrift2> thats good
[21:10] <Darkrift2> and can i pass export commands to the console while its opening?
[21:10] <Darkrift2> from the icon i mean
[21:10] <Darkrift2> .desktop file (i think thats how ill have to do it)
[21:12] <pleaseandthankyo>  why don't you kill people who are on good situations than people who are on bad and make them suffer like you did? i know i have
[21:12] <peppelorum> nosrednaekim: seems to be some bug/error/thingie with libqt4-core, so I reinstalled it and now I can run kde4-apps in my kde3-session, lets see if I can login to the kde4-session as well, wish me luck=)
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> peters__: ok
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift2: yes... just drop the export I think
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> eg "export KDEHOME=/home/user/.kde" should be entered as "KDEHOME=/home/user/.kde"
[21:15] <Darkrift2> does this look liek it will work in the .desktop file?
[21:15] <Darkrift2> Exec=kdesudo konsole  --workdir /stuff export PATH=/stuff/bitbake/bin:$PATH | export BBPATH=/stuff/build:/stuff/org.openembedded.dev
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> take out the exports
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> just the words
[21:17] <Darkrift2> i c
[21:17] <Darkrift2> i got an error about not finding /bin/sh :S
[21:17] <Vermux> a window :kdesudo open but it froze
[21:17] <Darkrift2> should i simlink it to bash?
[21:18] <genii> Darkrift2: It should already be a symlink to dash
[21:18] <Darkrift2> actually, siad "kdeinit could not launch '/bin/sh'"
[21:18] <Darkrift2> ok
[21:19] <Vermux> I have no idea what to do. everything is stuck here. I want to kill kdesudo window and another window which is called information - kdesudo
[21:21] <genii> Vermux: ctrl-alt-esc    then put the X on the offending window and click. Or esc to abort
[21:23] <Alucard_Hellsing> any one know where i can get a working debian qtparted
[21:23] <maxnorld> i need download mplayer from SVN ..... but i cant find the SVN client under kubuntu?  does have a metapackage ?
[21:26] <genii> !info qtparted
[21:28] <Darkrift2> ok, im adding my usb drives to my fstab, and was wondering if anyone could let me know if you see anything wrong with the entries before i save it
[21:28] <Darkrift2> /dev/sdc1       /usb            auto    user,rw,sync    0       0
[21:28] <Darkrift2> /dev/sdb1       /storage        auto    user,rw,sync    0       0
[21:28] <Darkrift2> /dev/sdb3       /storage2       auto    user,rw,sync    0       0
[21:28] <Vermux> genii: it doesnt do anything
[21:28] <Vermux> genii: the alt ctrl esc doesnt do anything
[21:29] <Alucard_Hellsing> !info qtparted
[21:29] <Darkrift2> maxnorld, in terminal type 'sudo apt-get install svn' (worked for me)
[21:29] <Alucard_Hellsing> ???
[21:30] <genii> Alucard_Hellsing: qtparted is available to install in kubuntu, just use your Add/Remove Programs
[21:30] <azzco> After following a tutorial on how to setup a xbox controller modprobe is exitting with abnormal status. Could it be a certain module I tried to load?
[21:30] <Alucard_Hellsing> no my iso was curopt
[21:31] <Alucard_Hellsing> i didnt get the install package
[21:32] <genii> Vermux: Likely then because it's running with admin/sudo privelege. In a konsole find the PID by something like: ps ax|grep kdesudo            then kill it with: sudo kill <PID>        PID = leftmost number next to processname
[21:33] <Alucard_Hellsing> the name is in add/remove but it is shaded out
[21:34] <Alucard_Hellsing> i also need a video driver for ATI Radeon 9250
[21:35] <genii> Alucard_Hellsing: Perhaps from commandline: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install qtparted
[21:35] <Vermux> genii: I killed it but the small windows still running. kde is stuck
[21:36] <Alucard_Hellsing> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[21:36] <Alucard_Hellsing> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[21:36] <Alucard_Hellsing> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:36] <Alucard_Hellsing> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it
[21:36] <Vermux> genii: ok one is dead
[21:37] <Alucard_Hellsing> was my answer
[21:37] <ere4si> Alucard_Hellsing: you need toshut add/remove
[21:37] <Vermux> genii: ok, I killed them both but the kde is still stuck
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> Reading package lists... Done
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> Building dependency tree
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> Reading state information... Done
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> Package qtparted is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> is only available from another source
[21:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> E: Package qtparted has no installation candidate
[21:38] <flipstar> Vermux: use top/htop to find out whats blocking
[21:38] <ere4si> !paste | Alucard_Hellsing
[21:38] <ubotu> Alucard_Hellsing: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:39] <ere4si> !repos | Alucard_Hellsing
[21:39] <ubotu> Alucard_Hellsing: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[21:39] <Agent_bob> ok from fish://* is it possable to drag/drop to local ?
[21:39] <genii> Vermux: Then you just have to try and figure from the results of ps ax    which might be the offending process. the command: top        might show you the resource-heavy things running right now (q to exit it)
[21:39] <Agent_bob> cause i'm not seeing any way to drop to local
[21:39] <Agent_bob> wait.   let me recheck.
[21:40] <Vermux> flipstar: and how do I recognize a blocking process?
[21:40] <flipstar> its probably this one that uses most cpu resourses
[21:43] <Alucard_Hellsing> k thx  but now i still need a ati driver
[21:43] <flipstar> !ati > Alucard_Hellsing
[21:43] <Alucard_Hellsing> thx
[21:43] <Vermux> genii: rebooting
[21:44] <genii> Vermux: OK
[21:45] <Agent_bob> ok sorry for the brain fart.    it was a permissions locally that kept me from dropping.
[21:46] <Agent_bob> i was like "duh"   root@remote* != root@localhost  ...
[21:46] <ere4si> hehe
[21:47] <_Vermux> back
[21:47] <_Vermux> the old methode works also with Linux! rebooting!!
[21:47] <_Vermux> hehe
[21:47] <Agent_bob> Q does fish:// drag and drop preserve owner/perms  ?
[21:48] <_Vermux> something is still wrong
[21:48] <_Vermux> when Im using the mouse wheel it switched tabs in konversation. help
[21:49] <Agent_bob> umm  reboot doesn't fix things in linux.  it only resets them  (some of them)
[21:49] <genii> Thats normal
[21:49] <_Vermux> genii: it is not normal. even when I move the mouse it switches tabs in Konversation
[21:50] <flipstar> Sysinfo for 'CraY': Linux 2.6.24-12-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz at 2398 MHz (4796 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 972/1011MB, 141 proc's, 6.39h up
[21:51] <genii> _Vermux: When the cursor is on the tabs, rolling the mouse or scrolling cycles through the tabs
[21:51] <Agent_bob> hmmm short A, no fish:/* does not preserve owner
[21:53] <dave11> !KDE
[21:53] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[21:53] <flipstar> ups did i posted that ? :S
[21:54] <_Vermux> now, cant minimize the window
[21:54] <_Vermux> stuck again
[21:55] <Angelus> guys
[21:55] <Angelus> adept crashed and im getting this error when i try to update
[21:55] <Angelus>  http://rafb.net/p/flHPVd16.html
[21:57] <jlazaridis> !vim
[21:57] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code
[21:58] <genii> _Vermux: I'd suggest disabling session saving and logout/login
[21:59] <_Vermux> how do I do that?
[22:01] <genii> _Vermux: System Settings...Advanced Tab...Session Manager               Check off "Start with an empty session"
[22:01] <genii> bah
[22:14] <utrange> Доброй ночи:)
[22:14] <^u^> utrange: english please
[22:14] <SmrtSkoso> utrange: good night
[22:15] <utrange> ok^)
[22:15] <Angelus> !apt-fix
[22:15] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:17] <utrange> please help. i can'n uderstand how to patch files:( i have a *.diff file & driver for patch. what i must do?
[22:18] <confrey> hi everybody
[22:19] <^u^> utrange: was there a readme file with the patch?
[22:19] <confrey> I've just installed kubuntu hardy beta, I'm using vesa driver in xorg, because ati driver is not working on my laptop
[22:19] <confrey> is there a configuration utility for using fglrx, as in gnome?
[22:19] <^u^> !hardy | confrey
[22:19] <ubotu> confrey: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> confrey: go to #ubuntu+1 for hardy problems
[22:20] <confrey> nosrednaekim: I've no hardy problem
[22:20] <confrey> I'm asking about kubuntu, not hardy
[22:21] <^u^> confrey: "I've just installed kubuntu hardy beta"
[22:21] <confrey> in ubuntu-gnome is a restricted-manager utlity, is there one in kubuntu?
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> confrey: kubuntu hardy support is in #ubuntu+1 as well
[22:21] <genii> restricted-manager-kde
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> confrey: try systemsettings->advanced
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> genii: that was replaced in hardy
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> with jokey-kde I believe
[22:22] <genii> nosrednaekim: Ah, OK
[22:22] <waynrdude> !server
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> *jockey
[22:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> !info jockey-kde (hardy)
[22:23] <confrey> nosrednaekim: I can't see anything about in advanced
[22:23] <flipstar> confrey: kmenu->sytem>driver manager
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> restricted drivers?
[22:25] <waynrdude> nosrednaekim: any idea if hibernation will be fixed in hardy?
[22:25] <confrey> nosrednaekim: no, I can't see restricted drivers in advanced, may be something is missing
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> waynrdude: it all depends on your hardware
[22:27] <confrey> nosrednaekim: I found it, as flipstar said
[22:27] <confrey> I'll reboot now, thanks
[22:27] <flipstar> confrey: anyway..goto #ubuntu+1 for further questions
[22:28] <confrey> ok
[22:28] <confrey> bye
[22:30] <Tristam_Green> hello, i have a question on behalf of my father i need answered; he's kinda panicking
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ask :)
[22:31] <Tristam_Green> he dual-boots Kubuntu 7.10 and Vista Home Premium, and while Windows was loaded today, his house experienced a power surge
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> ouch....
[22:32] <Tristam_Green> now, when he boots the machine, instead of the GRUB boot menu, all he gets is a a screen with the word "GRUB" all over it
[22:32] <Tristam_Green> he's asking me for assistance, but i've never heard of anything like it...and i don't know or cannot remember the commands to fix it
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> Tristam_Green: ok
[22:32] <crimsun> (he can recover by using the desktop cd)
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> Tristam_Green: can he boot a liveCD?
[22:32] <Tristam_Green> i have him booted into the desktop CD right now
[22:33] <crimsun> (or the alternate cd, for that matter)
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> Tristam_Green: ok, its fairly simple then... is there only one hard drive on the computer? and is it sata or IDE
[22:34] <Tristam_Green> There is one SATA HDD and one USB hard drive hooked to the computer
[22:34] <Tristam_Green> he has reason to believe that Kubuntu somehow installed onto the USB drive (i am unsure of this, as I did not perform the install)
[22:37] <Tristam_Green> how could i check the installed location of the filesystem by using the liveCD?
[22:37] <Tristam_Green> although; i know the MBR is located on the SATA drive
[22:37] <Erickj92> what is the command to start or restart apache?
[22:38] <^u^> Tristam_Green: in konsole type   sudo grub
[22:38] <flipstar> Tristam_Green: you probably could find out by looking at the filesystem type
[22:38] <flipstar> "sudo fdisk -l"
[22:38] <^u^> Tristam_Green: then   find /boot/grub/stage1
[22:41] <^u^> Tristam_Green: there yet?
[22:41] <Tristam_Green> ^u^ yes; after a little confusion:  (hd1,1)
[22:42] <^u^> Tristam_Green: then type  root (hd1,1)
[22:42] <Erickj92> anyone help with with a restart of apache?
[22:42] <Tristam_Green> ^u^ error 23: error while parsing number
[22:43] <^u^> Tristam_Green: then type   setup (hd0)
[22:43] <Tristam_Green> sorry ^u^ he screwed the command up
[22:44] <^u^> k
[22:44] <flipstar> Erickj92: in systemsetting>advanced>services or sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart probably
[22:45] <Erickj92> ok thanks flipstar
[22:45] <Tristam_Green> ok ^u^: checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists . . . yes
[22:45] <Tristam_Green> checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists . . . yes
[22:47] <Tristam_Green> checking if "/boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists . . . yes
[22:48] <Tristam_Green> running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)" . . . 17 sectors are embedded.
[22:48] <Tristam_Green> succeeded
[22:49] <^u^> Tristam_Green: if it is done type   quit   close konsole reboot and check
[22:50] <ubuntu__> im on a live cd, and trying to mount a harddrive, but when i mount it says i dont have permission to access it, because i mounted it as root, but i cant mount it under any user but root, how can i mount it and it be accessed by all users?
[22:51] <Tristam_Green> awesome ^u^ thank you
[22:51] <^u^> Tristam_Green: it is all ok? - great
[22:51] <Tristam_Green> an old man in south florida who doesn't know squat about linux or ubuntu thanks you very much
[22:51] <^u^> :)
[22:51] <Tristam_Green> and a much-younger man who is his son who knows not enough about linux thanks you as well :)
[22:51] <^u^> Tristam_Green: tell him it was my pleasure to help :)
[22:52] <Tristam_Green> heh, i'm saving the transcript for future use ^^
[22:52] <^u^> Tristam_Green: I wrote it down ages ago
[22:59] <Alucard_Hellsing> ubuntu i can help
[22:59] <Alucard_Hellsing> open terminal
[23:00] <Alucard_Hellsing> ps this is assuming that it is not ntfs fileing system
[23:00] <Alucard_Hellsing> first find the dir name of the hd
[23:00] <Alucard_Hellsing> prob it is /mnt/hda1
[23:02] <Erickj92> how do i reinstall Apache2
[23:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> u have to set the read and right priv so   type      chmod 664 /mnt/hda1
[23:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> that should alow u read and wright
[23:02] <Erickj92> Alucard_Hellsing, you talking to me?
[23:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> no
[23:03] <Erickj92> ok
[23:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> wht did u need
[23:03] <Erickj92> was just wondering how reinstall apache2
[23:04] <algyz> Erickj92:  sudo aptitude reinstall apache2
[23:04] <Erickj92> ok, thanks
[23:07] <Erickj92> i am about to cry... stupid apache will not work
[23:08] <algyz> Erickj92:  why so?
[23:08] <Erickj92> i cannot access my server though my ecternal IP
[23:08] <Erickj92> only my internal
[23:08] <chrisn2323> hey
[23:08] <chrisn2323> I installed kubuntu, how do I set up the internet to work with my wireless card?
[23:08] <algyz> Erickj92:  if you use a router, you must do port forward
[23:08] <Erickj92> i did
[23:09] <Erickj92> followed the guide at portforard.com
[23:09] <flipstar> !wifi > chrisn2323
[23:09] <Erickj92> set up the port 80 and 443
[23:09] <chrisn2323> ? flipstar?
[23:10] <flipstar> chrisn2323: look at your private messages
[23:10] <algyz> chrisn2323:  try to clear up chipset of your wireless card and search for a driver, or use windows driver
[23:10] <chrisn2323> thanks
[23:11] <chrisn2323> how do I set it up if it has WPA?
[23:11] <chrisn2323> it says it isn't supported in GUI
[23:12] <chrisn2323> neverming
[23:12] <chrisn2323> d
[23:14] <Erickj92> anyone have any idea why apache2 wont work? i have done port forwarding and everything
[23:14] <algyz> did you start it?
[23:14] <Erickj92> yeah
[23:14] <flipstar> Erickj92: maybe try in #ubuntu-server
[23:15] <algyz> Erickj92:  try sudo nmap -v, if you don't have the package, install it
[23:15] <algyz> oops, sudo nmap -v 127.0.0.1 :)
[23:16] <flipstar> no need for sudo ..
[23:16] <Erickj92> algyz, now what?
[23:16] <algyz> does it show port 80 open?
[23:17] <Erickj92> ywa
[23:17] <Erickj92> yeah*
[23:17] <algyz> something wrong with installation of apache then, i guess
[23:18] <Erickj92> algyz, i just reinstalled it
[23:19] <ere4si> Erickj92: try        apt-get purge apache      then install
[23:19] <Erickj92> ok
[23:20] <Alchera> i get an interesting (actually annoying) Grub error when i plug a sata drive in .... Hard Disk Error .... that's it! any clues as to why grub is insisting on trying to boot from a blank sata?
[23:21] <ubuntu__> how can i mount a harddrive to be used by a user that isnt root (im on a live cd)
[23:21] <now3d> Alchera: is your BIOS set to boot from that drive?
[23:21] <Alchera> nope
[23:22] <now3d> ubuntu_: mount is fine as user
[23:22] <Alchera> it does get altered when plugged in .... i swap the order back .. same
[23:22] <now3d> ubuntu_: just add to fstab, as user mountable
[23:22] <now3d> Alchera: what is the boot order in your BIOS?
[23:22] <ubuntu__> now3d: what would that line look like? the device, then the folder to mount it to?
[23:23] <Alchera> in linux terms ... hda, hdb, sda
[23:23] <Alchera> 40Gb ide is the primary .. 80Gb ide is the secondary
[23:23] <algyz> Alchera:  try to look into grub.conf. kate /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:23] <Alchera> it's perfect
[23:23] <algyz> tpfu
[23:24] <algyz> kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:24] <Alchera> i pull out the sata and all boots perfectly
[23:24] <now3d> ubuntu_: yes, just copy an existing line, and add "user", without the quotes! and a comma after!
[23:24] <ubuntu__> there is no existing line
[23:24] <ubuntu__> it dosnt show up in the fstab
[23:25] <Alchera> ok algyz .. which bit you want pasted
[23:25] <algyz> Alchera:  paste all file somewhere
[23:26] <Alchera> okey dokey
[23:26] <flipstar> in the topic is a url
[23:26] <flipstar> for pastebin
[23:26] <Alchera> got it
[23:28] <Alchera> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61179/
[23:28] <Alchera> delayed because i was "spamming" .. apparently .. lol
[23:29] <algyz> Alchera:  everything seems ok  :)
[23:29] <Alchera> :)
[23:29] <Erickj92> no one in ubuntu server is answering me. i am stumped completely
[23:29] <Alchera> i reinstalled grub from a live cd with the sata plugged in too many times to count
[23:29] <algyz> Alchera:  maybe try to format this blank drive?
[23:30] <Alchera> livecd & knoppix can access the sata
[23:30] <Alchera> algyz: i got the same error when it was bare (when i got it home) ... and then after using gparted tp partion & format (ext3) it
[23:31] <Alchera> the bios detects it perfectly .. a tech at the shop where i bout the sata is even confused
[23:31] <Erickj92> is there anyone that is really good with apache2
[23:31] <Erickj92> ?
[23:32] <flipstar> Erickj92: in #ubuntu-server maybe
[23:32] <algyz> Erickj92:  maybe try to look here, at the end about network configuration, hope, it will help http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-lamp-server-setup.html
[23:32] <Erickj92> flipstar, went there
[23:32] <Erickj92> thanks algyz
[23:33] <Alchera> bout /bought
[23:33] <Erickj92> well would you recomend me install a server version of ubuntu?
[23:35] <flipstar> configuration of apache is probably the same
[23:36] <Erickj92> what about installing webmin?
[23:36] <Alchera> algyz: tech has had a brainstorm ... he has the drive atm .... he's wiping it clean and going to format in ntfs ... his latest theory is that grub doesn't like the file system.
[23:37] <flipstar> Erickj92: did you looked at the link above ? maybe it helps you solve the prob
[23:37] <Erickj92> flipstar, i looked
[23:37] <Erickj92> but i dont see anything about network condig
[23:37] <Erickj92> config*
[23:39] <flipstar> Erickj92: stupid question maybe but did you disabled/configured the firewall ?
[23:39] <Erickj92> flipstar, i was told Kubuntu didnt have a firewall enabled by default
[23:39] <flipstar> so the port is reachable from external ?
[23:39] <algyz> Erickj92:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61180/
[23:40] <Erickj92> flipstar, i didnt do anything with a firewall
[23:41] <ubuntu__> how can i mount a harddrive to be used by a user that isnt root (im on a live cd)
[23:42] <flipstar> ubuntu__: adding "user" to fstab didnt helped ?
[23:42] <algyz> Erickj92:  your port 80 is closed
[23:42] <ubuntu__> the drive isnt in fstab
[23:42] <Erickj92> algyz, then is there a firewall?
[23:42] <algyz> Erickj92:  maybe install firestarter and open it?
[23:42] <Erickj92> ok
[23:43] <Erickj92> one sec
[23:43] <devilsadvocate> hi. I just installed 8.04, did a full upgrade, and my sound stopped woring. I've got Intel HDA (probably the sigmatel chipset)
[23:43] <flipstar> !intelhda > devilsadvocate
[23:43] <devilsadvocate> any help to figure otu whats wrong would be appreciated :)
[23:43] <flipstar> !hardy > devilsadvocate
[23:43] <algyz> devilsadvocate:  had the same problem with alpha 5 :)
[23:43] <devilsadvocate> ah, my apologies
[23:44] <devilsadvocate> 7.10
[23:44] <devilsadvocate> gutsy gibbon, i am on now
[23:44] <Erickj92> algyz, ok installed
[23:44] <flipstar> !sound > devilsadvocate
[23:44] <algyz> devilsadvocate:  one of the best guides - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[23:45] <Erickj92> algyz, i have it running, but im unsure of how to do the settings
[23:45] <algyz> Erickj92:  open port 80
[23:46] <Erickj92> algyz, i meant he initial set up
[23:46] <Erickj92> the*
[23:46] <flipstar> just click ok several times :)
[23:46] <Erickj92> lol
[23:46] <flipstar> the default is probably ok
[23:46] <Erickj92> that is what i normally do
[23:47] <flipstar> if you worried you can still read what it suggest :)
[23:49] <_dennister> ok guys...how do you change the port something's listening on again? i did it the other day and forgot it :(
[23:49] <flipstar> _dennister: for which application ?
[23:50] <SlimeyPete> depends which app
[23:50] <SlimeyPete> you have to change the configuration file (or use the preferences menu if there is one) for the application in question
[23:50] <_dennister> postgres...right now it's on the loopback, but i want it on my static ip address
[23:50] <SlimeyPete> there'll be a file in /etc/postgres I imagine
[23:51] <_dennister> i already edited that one, and used my fwdn in the listen_addresses line
[23:52] <_dennister> heck, i even rebooted
[23:52] <SlimeyPete> you probably just need to restart postgres then
[23:52] <SlimeyPete> might be best to ask in #postgres
[23:52] <SlimeyPete> or #postgresql ... not sure of the channel name
[23:52] <Erickj92> algyz, what am i supposed to do now?
[23:53] <algyz> Erickj92:  I guess you made mistake in port forwarding, you have only 21, 23 and 443 ports open
[23:53] <kgoetz> _dennister: listening on your FQDN wfor listen_addresses will only work if you have a valid dns IP for that hFQDN
[23:53] <kgoetz> so make sure the FQDN resolves if youw ant to listen on it
[23:53] <_dennister> but it's a simple thing...i did it a day or two ago
[23:54] <Erickj92> algyz, what is the protocol supposed to be?
[23:54] <flipstar> _dennister: in a shell ?
[23:54] <flipstar> _dennister: if so then try history | grep post (or any part of the command)
[23:54] <_dennister> i can't remember how i did it...i check the ports with netstat in a shell
[23:54] <algyz> Erickj92:  you must have 80 port open for apache to work
[23:54] <Erickj92> i know
[23:54] <Erickj92> but the protocol
[23:54] <Erickj92> coz thats the only thing that could be messed up
[23:55] <_dennister> ah yes,...forgot about history :)
[23:55] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[23:55] <algyz> Erickj92:  Protocol is http I think
[23:55] <Erickj92> i have to choose between TCp or UDP or BOTH
[23:56] <flipstar> tcp
[23:57] <Erickj92> ok algyz, does it say port 80 is open now?
[23:59] <algyz> Erickj92:  seems that no :(
[23:59] <Erickj92> err
[23:59] <Erickj92> darn
[23:59] <Erickj92> port 443 is working, then port 80 should be working