thumperFujitsu: what would be more useful?00:21
thumperFujitsu: it does provide google something to crawl over though00:21
Fujitsuthumper: Something covering more than the start of a*.00:21
thumperFujitsu: well, there is a "more..."00:22
thumperFujitsu: the purpose of the tag cloud on the front page (for now at least) is to provide an initial sample with an indicator to more00:22
thumperFujitsu: do you think it would be better to show the X number of projects that have most branches?00:23
thumperFujitsu: or should it be random?00:23
Fujitsuthumper: I would suggest the former.00:25
FujitsuIt'd still be a tag cloud, but lots of projects with fewer branches would be omitted.00:25
thumperFujitsu: my issue with always showing the same projects on the home page is that someone new might think "gee, is that all they have?"00:25
thumperFujitsu: and that is why if we just show the first branches alphabetically, then it's fairly obvious that there is more00:26
FujitsuThat's a good point.00:26
spivOh the other hand, having a cloud with only an arbitrary fraction of the projects isn't particularly useful.  So maybe the default cloud should have the projects with the most branches, and a prominent "Showing 200 most active project out of NNNN registered" caption would be better.00:29
thumperspiv: yeah, good point00:30
spivI guess it depends on what the front page is for.00:30
Fujitsuspiv: Adding that caption would work. Good idea.00:30
thumperI think the front page is to give the new user some idea of what it's all for00:30
spivIs it just to make people go "ooh, there's stuff here", or it is also "and I can start exploring that stuff usefully from this page"00:30
thumperspiv: I'll make sure to raise this with mpt when he is here tomorrow00:31
thumpermpt is also of the opinion that it might be better for most active00:31
spivAlthough the prominent "Find a Project" search box is good :)00:31
thumperwhich I'm coming around to00:31
FujitsuOn the Launchpad /, the featured projects are listed, not the first X alphabetically.00:32
spivI think for me, a cloud is sort of impressive, but a cloud of names of significant projects I recognise (i.e. most active rather than alphabetical) is more impressive, and more likely to interest me.00:32
jameshspiv: that way people will have to game the system by faking activity rather than picking a project name starting with "a"00:57
spivjamesh: :)00:58
spivjamesh: or just buy thumper enough beers that he'll special case your project ;)00:59
jameshspiv: I think it'd be cheaper to write a script to generate commits and new branches01:00
spivjamesh: obviously the solution is to filter out commits by people with low karma ;)01:02
jameshspiv: so I'd need to write a bug filing bot too?01:02
FujitsuIs there such thing as a committer with low karma now?01:03
thumperFujitsu: yes :(01:03
FujitsuI registered a branch and got 500 karma, so even a few commits should give a fair bit of karma.01:03
jameshthe code karma would even out if we issued karma for commits rather than just creating branches01:03
FujitsuAh, so no karma for commits?01:03
jameshnot yet01:04
FujitsuAnybody around who can look at OOPS-816CEMAIL1?01:54
FujitsuIs LP trying to put all my text attachments in the description again, making it too epic?01:55
jameshFujitsu: looks that way: there is a big arse patch in there.01:59
FujitsuI thought that bug was fixed.02:00
FujitsuI attached them. It shouldn't be trying to put them inline.02:00
mptIn the "Is the bug you’re reporting one of these" list, what does "Closed" mean?02:04
Hobbseenow, there's a good idea02:06
Hobbseewe should get LP karma for seeding iso's :P02:06
FujitsuThe torrent tracker falls over enough at release without being part of LP.02:07
* Hobbsee goes to look for something to clean off her screen with02:07
FujitsuOh, Thunderbird is stupid, but LP should probably be more intelligent.02:09
jameshFujitsu: did the patch get sent with "Content-Disposition: inline" or something?02:13
Fujitsujamesh: Thunderbird seems to do that for all attachments. Mozilla irks me more and more.02:14
* Hobbsee eyes this bug02:15
HobbseeAfter installing "ubuntu-restricted-extras", I perceived that the package "sun-java6-bin" was not installed.02:16
HobbseeIn synaptic, I saw that "sun-java6-bin" was not listed as a dependency of "ubuntu-restricted-extras".02:16
Hobbseeyes.  this is intentional.02:16
FujitsuHobbsee: -ECHAN02:16
Hobbseeoh, oops02:17
Hobbseemy channel order is strange.02:17
ubotuNew bug: #206917 in launchpad "Bugs/Blueprints/Questions counts are odd on "related projects" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20691702:20
pooliewhy does https://edge.launchpad.net/~jdobrien show "no public email" even when i'm logged in?03:36
pooliei thought it was shown to logged-in users and all users must have one?03:37
spivpoolie: in a user's "Change details" page they can check a "Hide my email addresses from other Launchpad users" option03:39
pooliewhy is that not on the "email settings" page then?03:42
poolieoh well03:42
pooliespiv: welcome back btw03:42
spivpoolie: thanks :)03:42
mptDoes anyone know what the Timezone in your "Change account details" page is used for?03:48
lifelessI thought it was time displays03:51
Fujitsumpt: It's very useful for working out when to catch people, and it's used to change the timezone in timestamp tooltips.04:12
ubotuNew bug: #206954 in launchpad "'wants to join' email contains invalid link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20695404:16
pleaseandthankyocan i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?05:05
kgoetzpleaseandthankyo: ask #ubuntu #kubuntu or #xubuntu05:09
pleaseandthankyook installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?05:59
kgoetzpleaseandthankyo: ask in #xubuntu, and dont ask in multiple irrelevent channels at the same time06:00
Hobbseepoolie: replied to your mail06:25
FujitsuWow. Bug #164276 is special. A team commented on the bug.06:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164276 in iceape "Please sponsor iceape for gutsy-security" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16427606:26
HobbseeFujitsu: i wonder if that was by email, sent from the team email address.06:28
FujitsuHobbsee: Must have been.06:29
Hobbseeunless you can login as a team now06:29
FujitsuI can't see any other way it could have happened.06:29
HobbseeFujitsu: yeah, because teams don't get passwords.  Unless you can log in as a team, *and* do a recover password.06:31
FujitsuI see somebody fixed the bug that made me get ~5x the bug karma I was meant to.06:32
FujitsuChanging one Ubuntu task in a multi-task bug used to apparently also give the same karma for all the other Ubuntu tasks.06:33
FujitsuHah, commenting still does.06:35
* Fujitsu stabs bug #162411.06:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 162411 in malone "Cannot target a task to a release if another task already targetted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16241106:38
* Fujitsu dares to try the email interface.06:39
FujitsuOh, it crashes now. 06:44
FujitsuSo there's no way at all to properly represent the status of that bug, and get it off the Hardy lists.06:45
FujitsuHave I really generated all three email OOPSes today, or is the OOPS ID more cryptic than that?06:45
Hobbseeouch.  that looks...interesting06:48
Hobbseeit also looks like a corner case06:48
FujitsuIt is, but it shouldn't be, as I say in the bug.06:49
FujitsuThere's another infuriating bug which makes it a corner case.06:49
Hobbseeoh, yeah, that bug.06:50
Hobbseei dont' understand the first bug, though06:51
Hobbseeare you meaning that it affects 2 packages?06:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 58169 in pike7.4 "CVE-2006-4041: Pike Unspecified SQL Injection Vulnerability" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:51
FujitsuSee that bug.06:51
Fujitsupike7.[24] only exist in Dapper.06:51
FujitsuWe need to keep them open in Dapper.06:51
FujitsuTry to nominate them for Dapper.06:51
Hobbseeah yes, i see06:52
Hobbseeyou might want to add that bug to the original06:52
FujitsuI shall.06:52
* Hobbsee suspects it will get marked as a corner case06:53
HobbseeFujitsu: unless you can get laserjock to tag it with the magic stick06:54
FujitsuIt probably will be. But it shouldn't be a corner case :(06:54
HobbseeFujitsu: why do you think that this stuff doesn't get used for RM?06:55
HobbseeFujitsu: why do you think we use targets instead?  (apart from mark's ideals about this stuff)06:55
Hobbseeer, milestones06:55
FujitsuThe release management stuff works well other than the few bugs I've filed about it.06:56
HobbseeFujitsu: presumably the ideal is that you file a bug about each of the packages06:56
Hobbseenot one that affects all of them06:56
pooliehello Hobbsee 07:05
Hobbseehey poolie, how's it going?  Hope my message was slightly helpful to you07:07
poolieyes, it's going well, i had a good 5day weekend07:09
pooliei thought that would be it but thanks07:09
poolieanother instance of "people don't read dialog text"07:09
jameshwe have a 49 hour long week end in Perth this week07:10
jameshnot as long as some, but longer than normal07:10
kgoetzdoes administering a team in LP gain karma, or is it a 'goodness of your heart' thing?07:19
Fujitsukgoetz: The latter.07:20
kgoetzFujitsu: cheers07:20
Hobbseepoolie: yeah.  i've not actually found a way to make them do so.07:22
Hobbseekgoetz: it means you get to smite users with a big declined stamp, when they don't read.07:23
FujitsuOnly a few random people try to join motuscience and motu-swat.07:23
* Fujitsu had fun with the big declined stamp earlier today.07:23
kgoetzHobbsee: :)07:24
HobbseeFujitsu: id' get at least 3 people a week trying for u-u-s07:25
* kgoetz goes to subscribe to the bug about being unable to track down users with hidden email addresses07:25
Hobbseeoh yes, those are fun too07:26
* Hobbsee automatically gives them the great big "declined" button07:26
* kgoetz updates group front page to explain no-email subscribing == bad idea07:28
kgoetzheh. tagged 'fix-it-friday'07:34
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Fujitsutjaalton: I believe the admins configure it per import.11:00
tjaaltonFujitsu: ok..11:01
tjaaltonthe question was; how often are vcs-imports supposed to be updated11:01
tjaaltonnm-applet is old enough to not work against current nm :)11:02
tjaaltonFujitsu: by admins did you mean the vcs-imports team?11:12
tjaaltonso please, if anyone can sync network-manager-applet trunk with current upstream, I'd appreciate it11:21
Fujitsutjaalton: That is what I meant, yes.11:22
* Fujitsu witnesses the Great Soyuz Deferral of
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HobbseeFujitsu: unsubscribe.  it's less depressing.11:45
HobbseeFujitsu: i haven't had the enjoyment of that for a good...2 months now.  and i haven't missed it.11:46
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Hobbseei think there was only stuff i cared about in 1.2.4, anyway, iirc11:46
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ubotuNew bug: #207075 in malone "Confirmation step on +choose-affected-product is no longer necessary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20707512:16
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ubotuNew bug: #207080 in launchpad "Bad mailing list subscription link offered" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20708012:41
ubotuNew bug: #207082 in malone "Add List-* headers to bugmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20708212:41
Hobbseedupe * 8012:42
Hobbseeer, @ 8012:42
* Hobbsee wonders if there's a way to unsubscribe from all of soyuz's bugs, with one click, if you're not a bug contact.12:44
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thekornHobbsee, I think there is no way in the LP UI, but python-launchpad-bugs can do it for you13:01
Hobbseethekorn: oh, neat.  i didn't even think of that.  Thanks, i'll look into it13:03
thekornHobbsee, untested, but it should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096/13:04
Hobbseethekorn: excellent...thanks :)13:04
FujitsuI think /soyuz/+bugs?field.bug_subscriber=hobbsee13:06
FujitsuOr is it just field.subscriber? It's very inconsistent.13:06
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ubotuNew bug: #207110 in launchpad "cannot unsubscribe from bug report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20711013:50
matsubaraHobbsee: https://help.launchpad.net/BugSubscriptions14:09
matsubaraHobbsee: oh, unsubscribe. I misread it as subscribe14:09
timlinuxI have a strange (to me) problem when my packages compile on the build server: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12895482/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:47
timlinuxThe error is only under 64 bit build14:48
timlinuxsame package built fine under i38614:48
timlinuxis there a different version of gcc on amd64 server14:48
timlinuxthe offending c++ line is simply doing this: 145       va_list marker = NULL;14:49
ubotuNew bug: #207130 in malone "Refactoring of externalbugtrackers has broken RT" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20713014:51
ubotuNew bug: #207136 in rosetta "Few more issues blocking XPIPO export" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20713614:55
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warrenAnyone know how to upgrade the repository format of my repo in launchpad?  bzr get FOO; bzr upgrade --pack-0.92; bzr push (doesn't work)15:44
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ubotuNew bug: #207182 in launchpad "zopless.send_email should be true in staging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20718216:21
warrenhttp://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bzrcrash.txt  bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/ failed.  #bzr advised me to try a newer bzr version.  Can an admin help me by reverting the repository to pre-upgrade?16:31
oly-hi, i just commited some code to my project and uploaded some files that should not be there, can i undo the commit or remove them ?16:37
warrenOTOH, bzr check says it is OK, so maybe I don't need a reversion16:39
oly-just found uncommit, luckly16:40
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rexbronjkakar: I would be happy to work with you to get autoPPA into shape. Will you be attending UDS prague?17:12
jkakarrexbron: Hey!  I won't be at UDS unfortunately, but I would be happy to work with you to make AutoPPA work in your environment.17:12
rexbronjkakar: That is too bad17:13
rexbronjkakar: Would you mind moving this discussion to #ubuntu-bleedingedge?17:13
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warrenAny launchpad admin here?  bzr crashed during "bzr upgrade" and we need an admin to fix it.18:59
kikowarren, really?19:05
ubotuNew bug: #207277 in launchpad "cannot import gpg key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20727719:06
warrenkiko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/20721119:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 207211 in bzr "upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp:// failed (but worked...)" [Undecided,New] 19:06
warrenkiko, if you could blow away .bzr and move .bzr.backup into place it would be appreciated.19:06
kikoI can't do that19:06
warrenkiko, do you have a recommendation of a better way to upgrade the repo format?19:06
warrenkiko, err.... then how can we recover from this?19:07
kikoand I actually have no idea of whether it's doable19:07
kikopush a new branch?19:07
warrenthis branch is forever garbage now?19:07
kikowarren, you'll need to ask on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar19:07
warrenkiko, so I don't screw our other repos, is there a better way to upgrade our repo format?19:08
warrenkiko, someone in #bzr said to use bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp://.... but this seems like a really bad idea to me.19:09
kikoit probably won't make things any worse as they are right now :)19:09
warrenkiko, no, I mean for our other repos19:10
warrenis there a better way to upgrade their format?19:10
kikoprobably not, but you can run those on local branches first and see if it works.19:10
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brucealdridgeI had a problem upgrading to hardy ... some sort of python bug, i reported it to launchpad, but it was marked as a dup (it wasn't as far as i could find) and i don't have access to the "original" bug so i can't see what the problem is, how to fix, etc etc .... is this how launchpad works?19:31
Fujitsubrucealdridge: Why don't you have access?19:33
stgraberbrucealdridge: what's the bugnumber ?19:33
emgenthello some launchpad admin here'19:34
emgentsomeone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?19:35
brucealdridgeFujitsu: unkown19:37
brucealdridgestgrabber: 20688819:37
Fujitsubrucealdridge: OK, it's private.19:38
FujitsuBecause it's a crash.19:38
Fujitsubrucealdridge: I've made it public as there is no confidential information in there.19:39
FujitsuCrashes are by default private, as they could well contain confidential data in coredumps.19:39
brucealdridgeFujitsu: thanks :)19:39
stgraberbrucealdridge: it has been automatically marked as a dupe by apport19:40
brucealdridgestgraber: makes sense, but a little frustrating19:41
stgraberbah, apport is right, your bug is a dupe :)19:41
brucealdridgestgrabber: yes ... but it might have been easier if i could have decided that (in the search stage) 19:44
brucealdridgethanks for your help though :)19:46
kikobarry, how do we rename teams that have mailing lists?19:51
barrykiko: it has to be done manually because the mailing list rename is not easy19:54
Fujitsukiko: The mailing list should probably die; it was replaced with a private one on l.u.c just a few minutes ago.19:55
kikobarry, can you do that one for emgent, then?19:55
barryemgent is the team name?19:55
kiko<emgent> someone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?19:56
barryare we killing the mailing list or renaming that too?19:56
Fujitsubarry: I'll check in the meeting, wait a sec.19:56
NafalloFujitsu: jabber fail again ;-)19:57
barryFujitsu: cool.  we'll have to get lp admin help to do this currently, but i'll coordinate with folks to make it happen19:57
emgentrename if it's possible19:57
emgentbtw, hi19:57
barryemgent: hi.  so, rename the team and mailing list19:57
FujitsuNafallo: No, I just got up too early (ie. 0550) and forgot to start Gajim.19:57
emgentbarry: thanks19:58
NafalloFujitsu: FAIL :-)19:58
barryemgent: okay, this may take a little while.  i'll let you know when it's done20:00
emgentok thanks i have to go20:00
emgentfeel free to send mail to me20:00
emgentthanks for all20:00
barryemgent: which email address should i use?20:07
* compbrain files https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/20733320:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 207333 in launchpad-buildd "RSS/Atom/Whatever status feeds" [Undecided,New] 20:21
compbrainMay be need to directed to Soyuz or some other PPA centric queue20:22
kikoyeah, compbrain -- that is /not/ buildd :)20:27
compbrainkiko: There's not a good 'PPA Wishlist' category ;)20:34
rexbronIs there a page with a definition on what a "build score" is?20:38
rexbronHmm, I just had a build fail with this error:20:40
rexbronFailed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bleedingedge/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-lpia/Packages.gz  404 Not Found20:40
rexbronany ideas?20:40
compbrainrexbron: Give it a minute or two, and try again?20:41
compbrainI had that for the first hardy package I built for an arch20:41
compbrainthen it magically worked an hour later20:41
rexbroncompbrain: do you mean re-upload? Or just create a new revision ie ubuntu2 or something and reupload 20:42
compbrainTry the former, if that fails, go for the latter20:43
Fujitsurexbron, compbrain: Just hit the `Retry build' button.20:44
FujitsuUnfortunately, the bug on that was untargetted last night.20:44
rexbron:( at least there is a work around 20:44
FujitsuI'm not sure how making PPA break confusingly on every first use is a low priority...20:45
compbrainFujitsu: That didn't work immediatly, had to let it cool down.20:46
rexbron"Capn, she can't take the pressure"20:46
Fujitsucompbrain: Right, it will work after the first 0, 20, or 40 minutes past the hour that occurs after your upload.20:47
compbrain.. Is that a feature or a bugg ;)20:48
FujitsuIt's a bug. It was meant to be fixed this release, but is no longer targetted to any release.20:49
ubotuNew bug: #207345 in rosetta "Download now link on inkscape.org is downloading the .45.1 version of inkscape." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20734520:51
kikocompbrain, there's a ppa tag for soyuz20:54
FujitsuThat's a very Rosettaish bug.20:56
FujitsuI have to say that that's the first bug I've seen filed on Launchpad about an upstream project's website.20:57
kikoFujitsu, auto-retrying failed builds?20:57
Fujitsukiko: The untargetted bug to which I was referring was bug #196782.20:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196782 in soyuz "First build in a new PPA fails" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19678220:58
rexbronFYI, This looks like it should be trivial to fix. bug 20735521:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20735521:05
ubotuNew bug: #207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20735521:10
RainCTCan someone please check if http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~freevial/freevial/trunk/files is working for him?21:23
RainCToh now it works21:30
ubotuNew bug: #207365 in launchpad "Display of SSH Key Name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20736521:30
ubotuNew bug: #207373 in soyuz "[wishlist] should be possible to report bugs from a package page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20737321:40
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owhHi all. I'm trying to download the Ubuntu Server Guide from bazaar.launchpad.net. I'm getting 500 Internal error on this link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/download/svn-v3-trunk0%3A1e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3A4485/2104%401e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3Ageneric%252Fserverguide%252FC/C22:26
spivowh: yeah, that does look broken.22:30
spivowh: please file a bug on launchpad-bazaar about that.22:30
spivowh: mwhudson will probably be the guy to fix it, but he doesn't seem to be around right at this moment.22:31
ftacouldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?22:31
owhspiv: It seems to be intermittent. If I go into the directory, I can download some individual files, but most do the same.22:32
* owh hunts for the bug page.22:33
spivowh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+filebug22:33
* owh found it.22:34
spivowh: thanks for the report22:34
* spiv loses another race :)22:34
owhHmm, there are several of these kinds of bugs.22:34
owhAh, all closed - yum.22:34
spivowh: I don't see one specifically about downloads from codebrowse, so I think a fresh report is worthwhile22:35
owhBug #20741722:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20741722:36
spivowh: thanks!22:37
owhspiv: If only I could check out the 448kb in the 20 xml files and not have to download 88Mb via a two-way satellite link, I'd be all warm and fuzzy.22:38
spivowh: there are bzr features in development to let you do just that.22:39
owhspiv: Unfortunately I need these documents before release so I can proof them :(22:39
spivowh: You want the /generic/serverguide/C directory?22:40
owhspiv: Yup22:40
spivowh: ok, I can quickly make a tarball of that for you.22:40
* owh hugs spiv22:40
* Fujitsu pokes drescher's ftpd.22:42
* owh has no idea what Fujitsu means.22:42
Fujitsudrescher's ftpd isn't accepting connections.22:43
elmoFujitsu: fixed, thanks22:43
Fujitsuelmo: Thanks for the quick service.22:43
ubotuNew bug: #207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20741722:45
spivowh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~andrew/generic-serverguide-C.tar.gz22:49
owhspiv: Tah muchly. I owe you one.22:49
owhspiv: You can remove that now.22:50
* owh waves bye and thanks.22:50
spivowh: you're welcome22:51
mptGooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!23:00
ftarhenium says 'timed out'23:00
FujitsuHi mpt.23:00
Fujitsumpt: Do you always appear seconds after midday just so you can do that?23:00
ftathat's midnight for me23:02
mptFujitsu, no :-) Normally I start work at an o'clock, but today I was travelling so it was a coincidence23:08
fta<fta> couldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?23:11
ftano one interested by this ?23:12
matsubarawhat do you mean, fta?23:12
matsubarawe only try to build packages once -- retries are manual.23:12
Fujitsumatsubara: Not for buggy Soyuz depwait.23:13
ftathat kdelibs has been retrying several times a day since november23:14
ftaand there are many more packages like that sucking precious builder time23:15
FujitsuIt's a problem in the depwait logic. I reported a similar bug about the primary archive some months ago, and it was fixed.23:16
matsubaraFujitsu: odd, because it's exactly the same code.23:17
Fujitsumatsubara: I would have thought so, but it might be doing crazy stuff like looking for stuff in other archives. That's the only way I can explain the PPA behaviour I've seen.23:17
matsubara^ that was kiko btw23:41
FujitsuI thought it looked kikoesque.23:44
kikono it didn't!23:44
kikoit was polite and noncommital!!23:45
Fujitsukiko is so impolite, yep.23:45
Fujitsukiko: Do you want a bug filed about that strange depwait giving-back?23:47
kikoFujitsu, yeah, I think that's what we need to figure that one out. I think cprov will want details on the specific build and how it's being retried23:49
compbrainwell crap.23:49
FujitsuOoh, nice.23:50
compbrainWhen you do ~10 builds a day at least with the ppa, your sure to find at least a bug a day23:50
FujitsuBug #57464?23:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 57464 in soyuz "Soyuz screws up in horrible ways if the Librarian is down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5746423:50
kikoyeah, sure looks like it -- or the connection dropped :-(23:51
cprovwell, it beeps when you mention PPA/cprov/etc ... it's waken me up23:52
cprovFujitsu: how can I help you tonight ? :)23:52
Fujitsucprov: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+build/450236 gets retried regularly (it's been happening for some months, as you can see), even though the build-depends were never in the PPA.23:52
cprovFujitsu: yes, libsoprano-dev (>= 1.97.0~beta4-1)  seem to be satisfiable from Soyuz PoV23:53
FujitsuIs it looking in PPAs other than kubuntu-members, then?23:54
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cprovFujitsu: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/1.95.0~beta2-1ubuntu123:57
Fujitsucprov: ... it's looking in Hardy?23:57
FujitsuI see.23:57
FujitsuThe PPA is pinned higher?23:58
FujitsuWait, no, I'm confused.23:58
elmodear lord, we don't use pinning23:58
elmothat would be i.n.s.a.n.e.23:58
FujitsuI misread the version number.23:58
Fujitsucprov: Why would that satisfy >= 1.97 in Soyuz's eyes.23:59
Fujitsuelmo: My misreading indicated that you must have been using it.23:59
cprovFujitsu: something is wrong in the version check we do.23:59

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