[00:21] <thumper> Fujitsu: what would be more useful?
[00:21] <thumper> Fujitsu: it does provide google something to crawl over though
[00:21] <Fujitsu> thumper: Something covering more than the start of a*.
[00:22] <thumper> Fujitsu: well, there is a "more..."
[00:22] <thumper> Fujitsu: the purpose of the tag cloud on the front page (for now at least) is to provide an initial sample with an indicator to more
[00:22] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[00:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: do you think it would be better to show the X number of projects that have most branches?
[00:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: or should it be random?
[00:25] <Fujitsu> thumper: I would suggest the former.
[00:25] <Fujitsu> It'd still be a tag cloud, but lots of projects with fewer branches would be omitted.
[00:25] <thumper> Fujitsu: my issue with always showing the same projects on the home page is that someone new might think "gee, is that all they have?"
[00:26] <thumper> Fujitsu: and that is why if we just show the first branches alphabetically, then it's fairly obvious that there is more
[00:26] <Fujitsu> That's a good point.
[00:29] <spiv> Oh the other hand, having a cloud with only an arbitrary fraction of the projects isn't particularly useful.  So maybe the default cloud should have the projects with the most branches, and a prominent "Showing 200 most active project out of NNNN registered" caption would be better.
[00:30] <thumper> spiv: yeah, good point
[00:30] <spiv> I guess it depends on what the front page is for.
[00:30] <Fujitsu> spiv: Adding that caption would work. Good idea.
[00:30] <thumper> I think the front page is to give the new user some idea of what it's all for
[00:30] <spiv> Is it just to make people go "ooh, there's stuff here", or it is also "and I can start exploring that stuff usefully from this page"
[00:31] <thumper> spiv: I'll make sure to raise this with mpt when he is here tomorrow
[00:31] <thumper> mpt is also of the opinion that it might be better for most active
[00:31] <spiv> Although the prominent "Find a Project" search box is good :)
[00:31] <thumper> which I'm coming around to
[00:32] <Fujitsu> On the Launchpad /, the featured projects are listed, not the first X alphabetically.
[00:32] <spiv> I think for me, a cloud is sort of impressive, but a cloud of names of significant projects I recognise (i.e. most active rather than alphabetical) is more impressive, and more likely to interest me.
[00:57] <jamesh> spiv: that way people will have to game the system by faking activity rather than picking a project name starting with "a"
[00:58] <spiv> jamesh: :)
[00:59] <spiv> jamesh: or just buy thumper enough beers that he'll special case your project ;)
[00:59] <thumper> :-]
[01:00] <jamesh> spiv: I think it'd be cheaper to write a script to generate commits and new branches
[01:02] <spiv> jamesh: obviously the solution is to filter out commits by people with low karma ;)
[01:02] <jamesh> spiv: so I'd need to write a bug filing bot too?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Is there such thing as a committer with low karma now?
[01:03] <thumper> Fujitsu: yes :(
[01:03] <Fujitsu> I registered a branch and got 500 karma, so even a few commits should give a fair bit of karma.
[01:03] <jamesh> the code karma would even out if we issued karma for commits rather than just creating branches
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Ah, so no karma for commits?
[01:04] <jamesh> not yet
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Anybody around who can look at OOPS-816CEMAIL1?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Is LP trying to put all my text attachments in the description again, making it too epic?
[01:59] <jamesh> Fujitsu: looks that way: there is a big arse patch in there.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> I thought that bug was fixed.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> I attached them. It shouldn't be trying to put them inline.
[02:04] <mpt> In the "Is the bug you’re reporting one of these" list, what does "Closed" mean?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> now, there's a good idea
[02:06] <Hobbsee> we should get LP karma for seeding iso's :P
[02:07] <Fujitsu> The torrent tracker falls over enough at release without being part of LP.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> oy!
[02:07]  * Hobbsee goes to look for something to clean off her screen with
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Oh, Thunderbird is stupid, but LP should probably be more intelligent.
[02:13] <jamesh> Fujitsu: did the patch get sent with "Content-Disposition: inline" or something?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> jamesh: Thunderbird seems to do that for all attachments. Mozilla irks me more and more.
[02:15]  * Hobbsee eyes this bug
[02:16] <Hobbsee> After installing "ubuntu-restricted-extras", I perceived that the package "sun-java6-bin" was not installed.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> In synaptic, I saw that "sun-java6-bin" was not listed as a dependency of "ubuntu-restricted-extras".
[02:16] <Hobbsee> yes.  this is intentional.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: -ECHAN
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh, oops
[02:17] <Hobbsee> my channel order is strange.
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #206917 in launchpad "Bugs/Blueprints/Questions counts are odd on "related projects" page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206917
[03:36] <poolie> hi
[03:36] <poolie> why does https://edge.launchpad.net/~jdobrien show "no public email" even when i'm logged in?
[03:37] <poolie> i thought it was shown to logged-in users and all users must have one?
[03:39] <spiv> poolie: in a user's "Change details" page they can check a "Hide my email addresses from other Launchpad users" option
[03:41] <poolie> oh
[03:42] <poolie> why is that not on the "email settings" page then?
[03:42] <poolie> oh well
[03:42] <poolie> spiv: welcome back btw
[03:42] <spiv> poolie: thanks :)
[03:48] <mpt> Does anyone know what the Timezone in your "Change account details" page is used for?
[03:51] <lifeless> I thought it was time displays
[04:12] <Fujitsu> mpt: It's very useful for working out when to catch people, and it's used to change the timezone in timestamp tooltips.
[04:13] <mpt> ok
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #206954 in launchpad "'wants to join' email contains invalid link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206954
[05:05] <pleaseandthankyo> can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?
[05:09] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: ask #ubuntu #kubuntu or #xubuntu
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[06:00] <kgoetz> pleaseandthankyo: ask in #xubuntu, and dont ask in multiple irrelevent channels at the same time
[06:25] <Hobbsee> poolie: replied to your mail
[06:26] <Fujitsu> Wow. Bug #164276 is special. A team commented on the bug.
[06:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164276 in iceape "Please sponsor iceape for gutsy-security" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164276
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i wonder if that was by email, sent from the team email address.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Must have been.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> unless you can login as a team now
[06:29] <Fujitsu> I can't see any other way it could have happened.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, because teams don't get passwords.  Unless you can log in as a team, *and* do a recover password.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> I see somebody fixed the bug that made me get ~5x the bug karma I was meant to.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:33] <Fujitsu> Changing one Ubuntu task in a multi-task bug used to apparently also give the same karma for all the other Ubuntu tasks.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> tasty.
[06:35] <Fujitsu> Hah, commenting still does.
[06:38]  * Fujitsu stabs bug #162411.
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162411 in malone "Cannot target a task to a release if another task already targetted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162411
[06:39]  * Fujitsu dares to try the email interface.
[06:44] <Fujitsu> Oh, it crashes now. 
[06:44] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> So there's no way at all to properly represent the status of that bug, and get it off the Hardy lists.
[06:45] <Fujitsu> Have I really generated all three email OOPSes today, or is the OOPS ID more cryptic than that?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ouch.  that looks...interesting
[06:48] <Hobbsee> it also looks like a corner case
[06:49] <Fujitsu> It is, but it shouldn't be, as I say in the bug.
[06:49] <Fujitsu> There's another infuriating bug which makes it a corner case.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah, that bug.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i dont' understand the first bug, though
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Which?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> are you meaning that it affects 2 packages?
[06:51] <Fujitsu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pike7.2/+bug/58169
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58169 in pike7.4 "CVE-2006-4041: Pike Unspecified SQL Injection Vulnerability" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:51] <Fujitsu> See that bug.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> pike7.[24] only exist in Dapper.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> We need to keep them open in Dapper.
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Try to nominate them for Dapper.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i see
[06:52] <Hobbsee> you might want to add that bug to the original
[06:52] <Fujitsu> I shall.
[06:53]  * Hobbsee suspects it will get marked as a corner case
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: unless you can get laserjock to tag it with the magic stick
[06:54] <Fujitsu> It probably will be. But it shouldn't be a corner case :(
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: why do you think that this stuff doesn't get used for RM?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: why do you think we use targets instead?  (apart from mark's ideals about this stuff)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> er, milestones
[06:56] <Fujitsu> The release management stuff works well other than the few bugs I've filed about it.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: presumably the ideal is that you file a bug about each of the packages
[06:56] <Hobbsee> not one that affects all of them
[07:05] <poolie> hello Hobbsee 
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hey poolie, how's it going?  Hope my message was slightly helpful to you
[07:09] <poolie> yes, it's going well, i had a good 5day weekend
[07:09] <poolie> i thought that would be it but thanks
[07:09] <poolie> another instance of "people don't read dialog text"
[07:10] <jamesh> we have a 49 hour long week end in Perth this week
[07:10] <jamesh> not as long as some, but longer than normal
[07:19] <kgoetz> does administering a team in LP gain karma, or is it a 'goodness of your heart' thing?
[07:20] <Fujitsu> kgoetz: The latter.
[07:20] <kgoetz> Fujitsu: cheers
[07:22] <Hobbsee> poolie: yeah.  i've not actually found a way to make them do so.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> kgoetz: it means you get to smite users with a big declined stamp, when they don't read.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Only a few random people try to join motuscience and motu-swat.
[07:23]  * Fujitsu had fun with the big declined stamp earlier today.
[07:24] <kgoetz> Hobbsee: :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: id' get at least 3 people a week trying for u-u-s
[07:25]  * kgoetz goes to subscribe to the bug about being unable to track down users with hidden email addresses
[07:26] <Hobbsee> oh yes, those are fun too
[07:26]  * Hobbsee automatically gives them the great big "declined" button
[07:28]  * kgoetz updates group front page to explain no-email subscribing == bad idea
[07:34] <kgoetz> heh. tagged 'fix-it-friday'
[11:00] <Fujitsu> tjaalton: I believe the admins configure it per import.
[11:01] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: ok..
[11:01] <tjaalton> the question was; how often are vcs-imports supposed to be updated
[11:02] <tjaalton> nm-applet is old enough to not work against current nm :)
[11:12] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: by admins did you mean the vcs-imports team?
[11:21] <tjaalton> so please, if anyone can sync network-manager-applet trunk with current upstream, I'd appreciate it
[11:21] <tjaalton> *someone
[11:22] <Fujitsu> tjaalton: That is what I meant, yes.
[11:26]  * Fujitsu witnesses the Great Soyuz Deferral of 1.2.3.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: unsubscribe.  it's less depressing.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i haven't had the enjoyment of that for a good...2 months now.  and i haven't missed it.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> i think there was only stuff i cared about in 1.2.4, anyway, iirc
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #207075 in malone "Confirmation step on +choose-affected-product is no longer necessary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207075
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #207080 in launchpad "Bad mailing list subscription link offered" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207080
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #207082 in malone "Add List-* headers to bugmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207082
[12:42] <Hobbsee> dupe * 80
[12:42] <Hobbsee> er, @ 80
[12:44]  * Hobbsee wonders if there's a way to unsubscribe from all of  soyuz's bugs, with one click, if you're not a bug contact.
[13:01] <thekorn> Hobbsee, I think there is no way in the LP UI, but python-launchpad-bugs can do it for you
[13:03] <Hobbsee> thekorn: oh, neat.  i didn't even think of that.  Thanks, i'll look into it
[13:04] <thekorn> Hobbsee, untested, but it should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096/
[13:04] <Hobbsee> thekorn: excellent...thanks :)
[13:06] <Fujitsu> I think /soyuz/+bugs?field.bug_subscriber=hobbsee
[13:06] <Fujitsu> Or is it just field.subscriber? It's very inconsistent.
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #207110 in launchpad "cannot unsubscribe from bug report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207110
[13:55] <Hobbsee> dupe
[14:09] <matsubara> Hobbsee: https://help.launchpad.net/BugSubscriptions
[14:09] <matsubara> Hobbsee: oh, unsubscribe. I misread it as subscribe
[14:45] <timlinux> hi
[14:47] <timlinux> I have a strange (to me) problem when my packages compile on the build server: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12895482/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.libopenmodeller_0.5.3-pre7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:48] <timlinux> The error is only under 64 bit build
[14:48] <timlinux> same package built fine under i386
[14:48] <timlinux> is there a different version of gcc on amd64 server
[14:49] <timlinux> the offending c++ line is simply doing this: 145       va_list marker = NULL;
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #207130 in malone "Refactoring of externalbugtrackers has broken RT" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207130
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #207136 in rosetta "Few more issues blocking XPIPO export" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207136
[15:44] <warren> Anyone know how to upgrade the repository format of my repo in launchpad?  bzr get FOO; bzr upgrade --pack-0.92; bzr push (doesn't work)
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #207182 in launchpad "zopless.send_email should be true in staging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207182
[16:31] <warren> http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bzrcrash.txt  bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/ failed.  #bzr advised me to try a newer bzr version.  Can an admin help me by reverting the repository to pre-upgrade?
[16:37] <oly-> hi, i just commited some code to my project and uploaded some files that should not be there, can i undo the commit or remove them ?
[16:39] <warren> OTOH, bzr check says it is OK, so maybe I don't need a reversion
[16:40] <oly-> just found uncommit, luckly
[17:12] <rexbron> jkakar: I would be happy to work with you to get autoPPA into shape. Will you be attending UDS prague?
[17:12] <jkakar> rexbron: Hey!  I won't be at UDS unfortunately, but I would be happy to work with you to make AutoPPA work in your environment.
[17:13] <rexbron> jkakar: That is too bad
[17:13] <rexbron> jkakar: Would you mind moving this discussion to #ubuntu-bleedingedge?
[18:59] <warren> Any launchpad admin here?  bzr crashed during "bzr upgrade" and we need an admin to fix it.
[19:05] <kiko> warren, really?
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #207277 in launchpad "cannot import gpg key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207277
[19:06] <warren> kiko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/207211
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207211 in bzr "upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp:// failed (but worked...)" [Undecided,New] 
[19:06] <warren> kiko, if you could blow away .bzr and move .bzr.backup into place it would be appreciated.
[19:06] <kiko> I can't do that
[19:06] <warren> kiko, do you have a recommendation of a better way to upgrade the repo format?
[19:07] <warren> kiko, err.... then how can we recover from this?
[19:07] <kiko> and I actually have no idea of whether it's doable
[19:07] <kiko> push a new branch?
[19:07] <warren> this branch is forever garbage now?
[19:07] <kiko> warren, you'll need to ask on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[19:08] <warren> kiko, so I don't screw our other repos, is there a better way to upgrade our repo format?
[19:09] <warren> kiko, someone in #bzr said to use bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 sftp://.... but this seems like a really bad idea to me.
[19:09] <kiko> it probably won't make things any worse as they are right now :)
[19:10] <warren> kiko, no, I mean for our other repos
[19:10] <kiko> oh.
[19:10] <warren> is there a better way to upgrade their format?
[19:10] <kiko> probably not, but you can run those on local branches first and see if it works.
[19:31] <brucealdridge> I had a problem upgrading to hardy ... some sort of python bug, i reported it to launchpad, but it was marked as a dup (it wasn't as far as i could find) and i don't have access to the "original" bug so i can't see what the problem is, how to fix, etc etc .... is this how launchpad works?
[19:33] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: Why don't you have access?
[19:33] <stgraber> brucealdridge: what's the bugnumber ?
[19:34] <emgent> hello some launchpad admin here'
[19:34] <emgent> ?
[19:35] <emgent> someone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?
[19:37] <brucealdridge> Fujitsu: unkown
[19:37] <brucealdridge> stgrabber: 206888
[19:38] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: OK, it's private.
[19:38] <Fujitsu> Because it's a crash.
[19:39] <Fujitsu> brucealdridge: I've made it public as there is no confidential information in there.
[19:39] <Fujitsu> Crashes are by default private, as they could well contain confidential data in coredumps.
[19:39] <brucealdridge> Fujitsu: thanks :)
[19:40] <Fujitsu> np
[19:40] <stgraber> brucealdridge: it has been automatically marked as a dupe by apport
[19:41] <brucealdridge> stgraber: makes sense, but a little frustrating
[19:41] <stgraber> bah, apport is right, your bug is a dupe :)
[19:44] <brucealdridge> stgrabber: yes ... but it might have been easier if i could have decided that (in the search stage) 
[19:46] <brucealdridge> thanks for your help though :)
[19:51] <kiko> barry, how do we rename teams that have mailing lists?
[19:54] <barry> kiko: it has to be done manually because the mailing list rename is not easy
[19:55] <Fujitsu> kiko: The mailing list should probably die; it was replaced with a private one on l.u.c just a few minutes ago.
[19:55] <kiko> barry, can you do that one for emgent, then?
[19:55] <kiko> !
[19:55] <barry> emgent is the team name?
[19:55] <kiko> nope
 someone can rename https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pentest to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat ?
[19:56] <barry> are we killing the mailing list or renaming that too?
[19:56] <Fujitsu> barry: I'll check in the meeting, wait a sec.
[19:57] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: jabber fail again ;-)
[19:57] <barry> Fujitsu: cool.  we'll have to get lp admin help to do this currently, but i'll coordinate with folks to make it happen
[19:57] <emgent> rename if it's possible
[19:57] <emgent> btw, hi
[19:57] <barry> emgent: hi.  so, rename the team and mailing list
[19:57] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: No, I just got up too early (ie. 0550) and forgot to start Gajim.
[19:58] <emgent> barry: thanks
[19:58] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: FAIL :-)
[20:00] <barry> emgent: okay, this may take a little while.  i'll let you know when it's done
[20:00] <emgent> ok thanks i have to go
[20:00] <emgent> feel free to send mail to me
[20:00] <emgent> thanks for all
[20:07] <barry> emgent: which email address should i use?
[20:21]  * compbrain files https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/207333
[20:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207333 in launchpad-buildd "RSS/Atom/Whatever status feeds" [Undecided,New] 
[20:22] <compbrain> May be need to directed to Soyuz or some other PPA centric queue
[20:27] <kiko> yeah, compbrain -- that is /not/ buildd :)
[20:34] <compbrain> kiko: There's not a good 'PPA Wishlist' category ;)
[20:38] <rexbron> Is there a page with a definition on what a "build score" is?
[20:40] <rexbron> Hmm, I just had a build fail with this error:
[20:40] <rexbron> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bleedingedge/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-lpia/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[20:40] <rexbron> any ideas?
[20:41] <compbrain> rexbron: Give it a minute or two, and try again?
[20:41] <compbrain> I had that for the first hardy package I built for an arch
[20:41] <compbrain> then it magically worked an hour later
[20:42] <rexbron> compbrain: do you mean re-upload? Or just create a new revision ie ubuntu2 or something and reupload 
[20:43] <compbrain> Try the former, if that fails, go for the latter
[20:44] <Fujitsu> rexbron, compbrain: Just hit the `Retry build' button.
[20:44] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, the bug on that was untargetted last night.
[20:44] <rexbron> :( at least there is a work around 
[20:45] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure how making PPA break confusingly on every first use is a low priority...
[20:46] <compbrain> Fujitsu: That didn't work immediatly, had to let it cool down.
[20:46] <rexbron> "Capn, she can't take the pressure"
[20:47] <Fujitsu> compbrain: Right, it will work after the first 0, 20, or 40 minutes past the hour that occurs after your upload.
[20:48] <compbrain> heh.
[20:48] <compbrain> .. Is that a feature or a bugg ;)
[20:49] <Fujitsu> It's a bug. It was meant to be fixed this release, but is no longer targetted to any release.
[20:51] <ubotu> New bug: #207345 in rosetta "Download now link on inkscape.org is downloading the .45.1 version of inkscape." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207345
[20:54] <kiko> compbrain, there's a ppa tag for soyuz
[20:56] <Fujitsu> That's a very Rosettaish bug.
[20:57] <Fujitsu> I have to say that that's the first bug I've seen filed on Launchpad about an upstream project's website.
[20:57] <kiko> Fujitsu, auto-retrying failed builds?
[20:58] <Fujitsu> kiko: The untargetted bug to which I was referring was bug #196782.
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196782 in soyuz "First build in a new PPA fails" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196782
[21:05] <rexbron> FYI, This looks like it should be trivial to fix. bug 207355
[21:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207355
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #207355 in launchpad "Other wiki name links on hompage have a malformed url" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207355
[21:23] <RainCT> Hi
[21:23] <RainCT> Can someone please check if http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~freevial/freevial/trunk/files is working for him?
[21:30] <RainCT> oh now it works
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #207365 in launchpad "Display of SSH Key Name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207365
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #207373 in soyuz "[wishlist] should be possible to report bugs from a package page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207373
[22:26] <owh> Hi all. I'm trying to download the Ubuntu Server Guide from bazaar.launchpad.net. I'm getting 500 Internal error on this link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/download/svn-v3-trunk0%3A1e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3A4485/2104%401e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3Ageneric%252Fserverguide%252FC/C
[22:30] <spiv> owh: yeah, that does look broken.
[22:30] <spiv> owh: please file a bug on launchpad-bazaar about that.
[22:31] <spiv> owh: mwhudson will probably be the guy to fix it, but he doesn't seem to be around right at this moment.
[22:31] <fta> couldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?
[22:32] <owh> spiv: It seems to be intermittent. If I go into the directory, I can download some individual files, but most do the same.
[22:33]  * owh hunts for the bug page.
[22:33] <spiv> owh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+filebug
[22:34]  * owh found it.
[22:34] <spiv> owh: thanks for the report
[22:34]  * spiv loses another race :)
[22:34] <owh> Hmm, there are several of these kinds of bugs.
[22:34] <owh> Ah, all closed - yum.
[22:35] <spiv> owh: I don't see one specifically about downloads from codebrowse, so I think a fresh report is worthwhile
[22:35] <owh> Yup
[22:36] <owh> Bug #207417
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207417
[22:37] <spiv> owh: thanks!
[22:38] <owh> spiv: If only I could check out the 448kb in the 20 xml files and not have to download 88Mb via a two-way satellite link, I'd be all warm and fuzzy.
[22:39] <spiv> owh: there are bzr features in development to let you do just that.
[22:39] <owh> spiv: Unfortunately I need these documents before release so I can proof them :(
[22:40] <spiv> owh: You want the /generic/serverguide/C directory?
[22:40] <owh> spiv: Yup
[22:40] <spiv> owh: ok, I can quickly make a tarball of that for you.
[22:40]  * owh hugs spiv
[22:40] <owh> onno@itmaze.com.au
[22:42]  * Fujitsu pokes drescher's ftpd.
[22:42]  * owh has no idea what Fujitsu means.
[22:43] <Fujitsu> drescher's ftpd isn't accepting connections.
[22:43] <elmo> Fujitsu: fixed, thanks
[22:43] <Fujitsu> elmo: Thanks for the quick service.
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #207417 in launchpad-bazaar "500 Internal Server error on download link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207417
[22:49] <spiv> owh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~andrew/generic-serverguide-C.tar.gz
[22:49] <owh> spiv: Tah muchly. I owe you one.
[22:50] <owh> spiv: You can remove that now.
[22:50]  * owh waves bye and thanks.
[22:51] <spiv> owh: you're welcome
[23:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[23:00] <fta> rhenium says 'timed out'
[23:00] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[23:00] <Fujitsu> mpt: Do you always appear seconds after midday just so you can do that?
[23:02] <fta> that's midnight for me
[23:08] <mpt> Fujitsu, no :-) Normally I start work at an o'clock, but today I was travelling so it was a coincidence
 couldn't ppa builders stop to try building the same thing forever while the user obviously don't care to fix the problem after months ?
[23:12] <fta> no one interested by this ?
[23:12] <matsubara> what do you mean, fta?
[23:12] <matsubara> we only try to build packages once -- retries are manual.
[23:13] <Fujitsu> matsubara: Not for buggy Soyuz depwait.
[23:13] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[23:14] <fta> that kdelibs has been retrying several times a day since november
[23:15] <fta> and there are many more packages like that sucking precious builder time
[23:16] <Fujitsu> It's a problem in the depwait logic. I reported a similar bug about the primary archive some months ago, and it was fixed.
[23:17] <matsubara> Fujitsu: odd, because it's exactly the same code.
[23:17] <Fujitsu> matsubara: I would have thought so, but it might be doing crazy stuff like looking for stuff in other archives. That's the only way I can explain the PPA behaviour I've seen.
[23:41] <matsubara> ^ that was kiko btw
[23:44] <Fujitsu> I thought it looked kikoesque.
[23:44] <kiko> no it didn't!
[23:45] <kiko> it was polite and noncommital!!
[23:45] <Fujitsu> kiko is so impolite, yep.
[23:47] <kiko> ;)
[23:47] <Fujitsu> kiko: Do you want a bug filed about that strange depwait giving-back?
[23:49] <kiko> Fujitsu, yeah, I think that's what we need to figure that one out. I think cprov will want details on the specific build and how it's being retried
[23:49] <compbrain> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12909867/9dAR4qJKRnhiMVfyJ7jHUIBNsi.txt
[23:49] <compbrain> well crap.
[23:50] <Fujitsu> Ooh, nice.
[23:50] <compbrain> When you do ~10 builds a day at least with the ppa, your sure to find at least a bug a day
[23:50] <Fujitsu> Bug #57464?
[23:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57464 in soyuz "Soyuz screws up in horrible ways if the Librarian is down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57464
[23:51] <kiko> yeah, sure looks like it -- or the connection dropped :-(
[23:52] <cprov> well, it beeps when you mention PPA/cprov/etc ... it's waken me up
[23:52] <cprov> Fujitsu: how can I help you tonight ? :)
[23:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+build/450236 gets retried regularly (it's been happening for some months, as you can see), even though the build-depends were never in the PPA.
[23:53] <cprov> Fujitsu: yes, libsoprano-dev (>= 1.97.0~beta4-1)  seem to be satisfiable from Soyuz PoV
[23:54] <Fujitsu> Is it looking in PPAs other than kubuntu-members, then?
[23:57] <cprov> Fujitsu: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/1.95.0~beta2-1ubuntu1
[23:57] <Fujitsu> cprov: ... it's looking in Hardy?
[23:57] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[23:57] <Fujitsu> I see.
[23:58] <Fujitsu> The PPA is pinned higher?
[23:58] <Fujitsu> Wait, no, I'm confused.
[23:58] <elmo> dear lord, we don't use pinning
[23:58] <elmo> that would be i.n.s.a.n.e.
[23:58] <Fujitsu> I misread the version number.
[23:59] <Fujitsu> cprov: Why would that satisfy >= 1.97 in Soyuz's eyes.
[23:59] <Fujitsu> elmo: My misreading indicated that you must have been using it.
[23:59] <cprov> Fujitsu: something is wrong in the version check we do.