[00:00] <gpm> is there a "status of hardy"-esque page?
[00:00] <gpm> not sure if i want to upgrade yet
[00:01] <plus_M> Then don't
[00:01] <gpm> ok
[00:03] <tanner_> lmao
[00:03] <tanner_> well, that was easy
[00:03] <plus_M> Do people not understand the concept of beta?
[00:04] <tanner_> I'm sure they do, some just have pressing reasons to upgrade, others do not
[00:04] <viator> has there been any inroads on broadcom problem
[00:04] <plus_M> And some people like gpm come here to ask whether they should upgrade when they have no good reason to
[00:04] <irelinquish> my broadcam works fine
[00:05] <tanner_> indeed
[00:05] <viator> that wasnt the question posed lol
[00:05] <mneptok> viator: ask Broadcom
[00:06] <hischild> how can i make ndiswrapper automatically be probed instead of manually probing it every reboot?
[00:06] <viator> whats the next comment RTFM or
[00:06] <viator> howabout
[00:06] <viator> google is your friend
[00:06] <viator> lol
[00:06] <tanner_> or justfuckinggoogleit.com
[00:07] <viator> haha
[00:07] <hischild> Scrap that request as well, figured that one out as wel
[00:07] <plus_M> Anyway, regarding my problem, how are you supposed to modify the resolutions available to a system when xorg.conf no longer defines available resolutions?
[00:08] <viator> i think the answer here today for that may be ask xorg
[00:09] <plus_M> Makes sense
[00:09] <tanner_> yes, you're likely to have better luck asking them
[00:09] <viator> or my xorg works great
[00:09] <hischild> plus_M, as far as i know, xorg can function with a minimal xorg.conf now instead of a full file ... that would also mean you could overwrite values ... you tried it?
[00:09] <plus_M> hischild, I put in an entry for Modes "1280x1024" etc yes
[00:09] <plus_M> And it didn't show up
[00:09] <viator> its like microsoft
[00:09] <viator> they always blame the hardware vendors
[00:10] <hischild> lol
[00:10] <viator> and the hardware vendors blame ms software which it usually is
[00:10] <viator> but you as a customer are screwed
[00:10] <hischild> viator, unless you're smart enough to use linux
[00:11] <viator> true
[00:11] <hischild> so far all questions i had have been answered before you got  a chance to answer them ...
[00:11] <hischild> imo pretty gd score
[00:14] <martalli> My 2.6.24-12 kernel won't boot.  I am still using 2.6.22.  Here are two screenshots: http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60/martalli/img_4652.jpg and http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60/martalli/img_4651.jpg
[00:14] <martalli> I took photos because I couldn't figure out how to take a regular screenshot of those =)
[00:16] <martalli> I have been doing regular updates since upgrading from feisty with update-manager -d last week or so
[00:20] <poseidon01> I want to set up dual screens, but when I go to configure them, it doesn't give me the option.
[00:22] <martalli> poseidon01: I have done that with nvidia-settings before, but of course I think that only works with the proprietary driver
[00:24] <bhsx> bah, i've read that the only way to get gamma corrected is to install xfce/xubuntu....    what's the metapackage for xubuntu?
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> xubuntu-desktop
[00:24] <bhsx> thanks
[00:25] <jk-> hey folks
[00:25] <bhsx> that's weak....  the gamma is broken in kde and gnome, but the xubuntu folks got it fixed?
[00:25] <jk-> is to possible to get the do-release-upgrade script to use a different mirror site ?
[00:30] <poseidon01> bhsx, xubuntu guys have a lot less code to sift through, and a lot less contingencies.
[00:30] <bhsx> true dat
[00:30] <bhsx> but gamma?
[00:30] <bhsx> that's a fairly gaping hole
[00:32] <jer132> Is there anyone here that can help me determine the cause of a bug related to network issues?
[00:32] <jer132> Within Hardy...
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> jer132: state what it is and we shall see;)
[00:33] <jer132> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206384
[00:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206384 in ubuntu "hostname is incorrect on LAN" [Undecided,New]
[00:34] <jer132> I'm unsure as to what is the root cause here.
[00:35] <earl> hey guys. so network manager is some kind of broken.
[00:36] <jer132> Can anyone at least confirm the bug I posted?
[00:36] <earl> i'm running hardy on a dell inspiron 1501
[00:37] <earl>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[00:37] <earl> spent the last few days going nuts because the driver i got from jockey wasn't getting me online wirelessly.
[00:38] <jer132> Did jockey crash on you?
[00:38] <earl> or so i thought was the case. basically, i would start up my computer, and go to network manager to pick a wireless network,
[00:38] <bhsx> earl: you're now getting a jockey crash?
[00:38] <earl> nononono not that
[00:38] <earl> the networks would show up fine at first on the list
[00:38] <earl> but if i clicked on one
[00:38] <bhsx> well, you're a step ahead of everyone else then :)
[00:38] <earl> it would show the omg-trying-to-connect animation ad infinitum
[00:38] <earl> and, as i just recently noticed
[00:38] <earl> as soon as i did this
[00:38] <earl> CPU usage for one of my cores shot to 100%
[00:39] <earl> and remained at such until i reboot
[00:39] <bhsx> i'm still getting the laptop setup... i'll attempt wireless in about 20 minutes
[00:39] <bhsx> ouch
[00:39] <earl> even if i killall nm-applet cpu usage stays at 100 with the other core hovering at like 30
[00:39] <earl> and the system monitor process page can't figure out why - all the processes are labeled as being near 0 as usual
[00:40] <earl> again, this would only be solved with a reboot, and if i try to connect again, the cycle repeats
[00:40] <earl> so when i noticed this cpu usage thing, i wired in and sudo apt-get installed wifi-radar
[00:40] <earl> and here i am, online.
[00:40] <earl> i'm not good at filing bug reports or anything...
[00:40] <poseidon01> Is there a program to tell you what kind of reutor your using judging from your wireless connection alone?
[00:40] <earl> but let the record show that network manager is not working correctly.
[00:41] <earl> poseidon01: is that question directed at me?
[00:42] <jessica_> how can i control my fan speed
[00:42] <poseidon01> earl, no.  What made you think that?
[00:42] <poseidon01> O, I see, because I interupted your ongoing million+ posts :)
[00:43] <poseidon01> =P
[00:43] <earl> well that, and i'm assuming you are asking about a "router", which pertains to wireless intarwebs, which is what i was talking about. =)
[00:44] <jin> any one uses stardict?
[00:45] <jessica_> i need to control my fan speed manually is there some software that will do that
[00:46] <Tuv0k> depends
[00:46] <Tuv0k> I guess if you use gnoem
[00:46] <Tuv0k> the cpu scaler will change the speed of the cpu which will change the speed of the cpu fan
[00:46] <poseidon01> How can I find the MAC address of my reutor from my computer?
[00:46] <Tuv0k> but if you mean the case fan? Good luck with that
[00:47] <Tuv0k> poseidon01, login to it?
[00:47] <poseidon01> Tuv0k, I just scan my network usually.  I don't know the specs.
[00:47] <poseidon01> I am connected right now
[00:48] <Tuv0k> you are not the admin for your router?
[00:48] <drsalton> poseidon01: if it's wireless, iwconfig should show you the mac of whatever you're connected to
[00:48] <Tuv0k> do you have physical assess to it?
[00:48] <jessica_> my laptop is getting very hot and i need to make my fan faster
[00:48] <poseidon01> Tuv0k, no
[00:48] <Tuv0k> !saptop
[00:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about saptop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:48] <Tuv0k> !laptop
[00:48] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[00:49] <Tuv0k> poseidon01, if you don't have access to it and not the admin, and its not wireless, your in the dark
[00:50] <gunashekar> jessica_: laptop model?
[00:50] <jessica_> toshiba equium V200
[00:51] <earl> can someone advise me about filing a bug report about this? i would like to do it (in the hopes that networkmanager one day becomes a usable, useful program) but have never done it before
[00:51] <earl> should i even? or should i just stick with wifi-radar
[00:51] <Tuv0k> wifi-radar?
[00:51] <Tuv0k> NetworkManager works fine here
[00:52] <earl> Tuv0k: you would be the first person i've heard that from
[00:52] <earl> although to be honest, i haven't asked that many people their opinion on it. =)
[00:53] <drsalton> mine works fine too.  perhaps it's possible to run networkmanager from the command line to see the output?
[00:53] <Tuv0k> wifi-radar looks cool
[00:53] <Tuv0k> and yes NM is a PITA sometimes
[00:54] <Tuv0k> but it works
[00:54] <earl> bash: networkmanager: command not found
[00:54] <Tuv0k> thats because thats the wrong syntax
[00:54] <Tuv0k> its NetworkManager
[00:54] <earl> well
[00:55] <earl> i was going to tell you that sudo NetworkManager just brought me back to another prompt without any output
[00:55] <earl> and then i got a message saying something crashed.
[00:55] <earl> ...
[00:55] <drsalton> maybe because it's already running?
[00:56] <earl> guess it's not anymore!
[00:56] <earl> lol
[00:56] <Tuv0k> it appears in the upper panel
[00:56] <Tuv0k> if its running its hard to miss
[00:56] <earl> Tuv0k: that's nm-applet
[00:56] <drsalton> try ps -ef | grep NetworkManager
[00:56] <Meshezabeel> I just installed hardy and it seems much faster than gutsy. Is it really faster or is it just in my mind? Or is it because I am now using 64bit instead of 32bit?
[00:57] <earl> drsalton: what's that mean
[00:57] <Tuv0k> Meshezabeel, take your pick
[00:57] <decherdt> earl, maybe  network-admin
[00:57] <drsalton> earl: ps is a command to show running processes
[00:57] <earl> ah
[00:57] <Meshezabeel> Tuv0k: that does not seem logical
[00:57] <Tuv0k> earl, what do you think the nm in nm-applet stands for?
[00:57] <dresman> hi all i just upgraded and my sound seemed to stop working
[00:57] <Tuv0k> Meshezabeel, nor was the query
[00:57] <Tuv0k> garbage in, garbe out
[00:58] <dresman> HELP
[00:58] <earl> Tuv0k: yeah, i know, but i'm just saying. I killall'ed nm-applet earlier, but as I understood it it's just a GUI for networkmanager, so killing it shouldn't necessarily kill networkmanager
[00:58] <Tuv0k> help in CAPS will not make it come faster
[00:58] <dresman> please help?
[00:59] <Tuv0k> dresman, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[00:59] <earl> Meshezabeel: I get it, a star trek joke. clever.
[00:59] <earl> drsalton: want me to pastebin the output from that command?
[01:00] <Meshezabeel> earl ;)
[01:00] <drsalton> earl: if anything shows up, it means that nm is running. you can probably stop it using system/preferences/session
[01:01] <earl> http://pastebin.com/m1a97f9e9
[01:01] <earl> drsalton: are you suggesting i disable it?
[01:01] <Tuv0k> earl, what is your specifc issue with it?
[01:01] <drsalton> earl: that's what i would do, then try running it from the command line to see the output
[01:01] <Tuv0k> earl, what are you attempting to accomplish?
[01:02] <earl> oh there's a listing at the bottom of the "current session" tab saying "nm-applet --sm-disable"
[01:02] <earl> which is strange, i didn't think nm-applet was running
[01:02] <earl> Tuv0k: not sure if you missed it. I thought I was having problems with my wireless drivers because I could see the local wireless ap's in nm-applet. but when i click on one to connect it, it loops in that animation forever
[01:02] <bhsx> seems to me hardy is missing a gui for getting your WEP key entered
[01:02] <bhsx> i dont see one anywhere
[01:03] <Tuv0k> its there
[01:03] <Tuv0k> earl, sometimes it will do that if the signal is weak
[01:03] <earl> Tuv0k: this coincides with CPU usage shooting to 100% for one of my cores, and aruond 30% for the other. permanently, until i reboot
[01:03] <poseidon01> Tuv0k, I am connected to a wireless network now.  How do I get it's mac address again?
[01:03] <dresman> Im running ubuntu 8.04 beta with a soundblaster:audigy card and of which when i start a game or something my output is something like :sound init failiure(SDL_mixer)no audio device found
[01:03] <drsalton> it should prompt you for the key when you select the network in NetworkManager
[01:03] <Tuv0k> earl, iwconfig eth1 will show you more detail about the connection its attempting to lock on to
[01:03] <earl> Tuv0k: any further attempts to interact with the wireless chip (for example iwlist scan) are fruitless
[01:03] <dresman> in other words sound doesnt work anymore
[01:03] <Tuv0k> poseidon01, iwconfig
[01:04] <bhsx> if it showed up in network manager, or if nm-applet gave me a way to scan...
[01:04] <earl> it's like nm-applet not only crashes itself but crashes the chip. and again, it only becomes responsive again upon reboot.
[01:04] <DanaG> iwl3945 sucks.
[01:05] <Tuv0k> dresman, what steps have you taken to resolve said issue? Have you checked google, the forums, creative site etc?
[01:05] <DanaG> I get broken scanning on resume sometimes, and then if I try to rmmod it, it hangs and eats CPU and becomes unkillable -- I've tried killing it with every signal.
[01:05] <DanaG> SDL?  Probably a PulseAudio issue.
[01:05] <earl> drsalton: i clicked "remove" on that nm-applet entry in sessions. then i sudo NetworkManager'ed and again, nothing happened.
[01:06] <poseidon01> Tuv0k: "Access Point: 00:18:39:EF:F9:A7" so my mac address would be 00:18:39:EF:F9:A7 correct
[01:07] <rockz> how i add this (http://lwn.net/images/ns/netmgrconn.png) network manager in hardy heron? Because I  added the network manager applet and it isn't this applet from image.
[01:07] <earl> Poseidon01: i'm pretty sure iwconfig is telling you the mac address of what you're trying to connect to.
[01:07] <numus> tut you in here?
[01:07] <drsalton> earl: well, it was worth a try.  probably best to file a bug, but I wouldn't be much help there
[01:07] <earl> lots of networking problems today huh
[01:08] <bhsx> well, i got setup with wifi-radar in about 2 seconds
[01:08] <earl> yeah man
[01:08] <earl> wifiradar was great
[01:08] <bhsx> so, i'd have to concur that nm-applet is busted currently
[01:08] <TuTUXG_> numus, so hows things going?
[01:08] <earl> just... it doesn't run in the tray. and firefox thinks i'm permanently offline.
[01:08] <numus> tutuxg_ when i type update-manager -d i get warning: could not initiate dbus
[01:08] <numus> nevermind
[01:08] <numus> found the option
[01:09] <TuTUXG_> numus, ?
[01:09] <fyrmedic> What's the command to get packages to upgrade when they are held back by apt? I tried apt-get -f install
[01:09] <earl> rockz: unless you are talking about that bar, that's what networkmanager looks like when it's -trying- to connect to something
[01:09] <numus> tutuxg_ this is going to be interesting running the upgrade in wubi
[01:09] <bhsx> i mean, i'm connected to the thing through wifi-radar and nm-applet still doesn't even SEE the router
[01:09] <TuTUXG_> numus, ur upgrade to hardy now?
[01:09] <numus> tutuxg_ if you said it will make the intel card work.. yes
[01:09] <drsalton> strange.. i'm running hardy on 2 different laptops and have never had a problem with NetworkManager
[01:10] <TuTUXG_> numus, ok..
[01:10] <numus> tutuxg_ gave me a message saying i dont have enough room
[01:10] <earl> drsalton: do you have to use proprietary drivers
[01:10] <jer132> Can anyone help me confirm this bug?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206384/
[01:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206384 in ubuntu "hostname is incorrect on LAN" [Undecided,New]
[01:10] <TuTUXG_> numus, so maybe not a good idea to upgrade now
[01:10] <drsalton> earl: not on this laptop.. it's a Lenovo Y510
[01:10] <numus> tutuxg_ i have 6 gigs dedicated to ubuntu.. probably should have made it 8
[01:10] <earl> that could have to do with your success
[01:11] <TuTUXG_> numus, i will try to help u with the wireless card without upgrading
[01:11] <bhsx> this one's a lenovo t60
[01:11] <Tuv0k> poseidon01, right
[01:11] <numus> tutuxg_ i am going to reinstall wubi
[01:11] <Tuv0k> sorry in between 3 channels
[01:11] <numus> and give myself 8 gigs instead of 6
[01:11] <TuTUXG_> numus, ok..
[01:11] <DanaG> Intel wifi doesn't seem to be "all it's cracked up to be" for me.
[01:11] <numus> tutuxg_ because everything is messed up now
[01:11] <TuTUXG_> numus, then y dont u install hardy this time?
[01:11] <tanner_> DanaG: how so
[01:11] <numus> tutuxg_ because wubi 8.04 is highly unstable and didnt work the last time i tried it
[01:12] <TuTUXG_> numus, it's much better now
[01:12] <TuTUXG_> numus, when did u try it last time?
[01:12] <numus> tutuxg_ brb.. going to log irc in on my server.. but i tried it yesterday
[01:12] <earl> drsalton: any idea how i would find out what version of nm i am running?
[01:13] <DanaG> I sometimes get breakage if the killswitch is set to "wifi off" on suspend.
[01:13] <DanaG> Other times, the card will mysteriously hang, and NetworkManager will fail to update again -- even if I restart it.
[01:13] <drsalton> earl: i think it would show you in synaptic
[01:13] <DanaG> Then iwlist will show nothing at all.
[01:14] <earl> drsalton: that's a very good point
[01:14] <DanaG> If I try to modprobe -r iwl3945, modprobe will hang, eat cpu, and become unkillable.  (I've tried to kill it with all 15 valid signals.)
[01:14] <numus> Tutuxg_ k i logged into irc on my server.. so this way i can mess with teh laptop without worrying
[01:14] <earl> interesting
[01:14] <TuTUXG_> numus, nice, so u tried hardy yesterday and it didnt work well?
[01:14] <earl> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager/0.6.6-0ubuntu3
[01:15] <earl> synaptic reports that my version is 6.6ubuntu2
[01:15] <jer132> Does anyone know if it's possible to have two computers with the same hostname on a LAN?
[01:15] <earl> do you think it's worth upgrading and seeing if that helps?
[01:15] <numus> tutuxg_ with fiesty and hardy when i log into ubuntu it goes straight to busybox.. instead of into ubuntu.. no idea why
[01:16] <TuTUXG_> numus, hum, probably becuz ur video card, what card is it?
[01:16] <TuTUXG_> numus, i forgot it
[01:17] <drsalton> earl: i don't know.. it doesn't would like nm is segfaulting.. it seems to be stuck in a loop
[01:17] <drsalton> would=look
[01:17] <numus> tutuxg_ sorry had to walk the dog.. it is a ati radeon x1400.. you think i should use the dell iso of hardy for wubi?
[01:17] <avgJoe> How would I find the reutor I am using wirelessly?
[01:17] <TuTUXG_> numus, let me have a check for that card
[01:18] <numus> kkl
[01:19] <drsalton> has anyone heard of this bug?  my brightness controls are reversed, so at maximum brightness the screen is dark, and at zero brightness it's, well, bright.
[01:19] <TuTUXG_> numus, u have a dell lappy? which one is it?
[01:20] <numus> e1505 or 6400
[01:20] <earl> drsalton: do you mean to imply that it's not likely to have been fixed
[01:20] <TuTUXG_> numus, if dell supports ubuntu on it, ya, use the dell iso
[01:20] <TuTUXG_> numus, which iso did u use last time for hardy? the normal one?
[01:21] <drsalton> earl: i wouldn't know that.  however it can't hurt to upgrade to the latest version if the current one isn't working
[01:21] <numus> yua
[01:22] <earl> k
[01:22] <savvas> drsalton: if it's not working, how are you going to upgrade? :\
[01:22] <numus> tutxg_ there is no iso for my dell or hardy.. so i will try the normal one again
[01:22] <TuTUXG_> numus, as far as i can tell, ur graphic card should be ok to install hardy (i maybe wrong)
[01:22] <jer132> anyone here willing to help me address this?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/206384/
[01:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206384 in ubuntu "hostname is incorrect on LAN" [Undecided,New]
[01:22] <numus> tutuxg_ i used hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:22] <TuTUXG_> numus, but with wubi, it maybe different
[01:22] <TuTUXG_> numus, what cpu? intel?
[01:23] <numus> yes
[01:23] <savvas> jer132: try #ubuntu-bugs it was ubuntu hug day yesterday :)
[01:23] <drsalton> savvas: i was only referring to the NetworkManager package, which apparently has a patch released to fix certain issues
[01:23] <TuTUXG_> ya, it's the right one
[01:23] <savvas> drsalton: ah ok
[01:23] <numus> you  know what.. i might have gotten it off a torrent becuase the server was so slow
[01:23] <numus> because it is only downloading 200kb/s
[01:23] <TuTUXG_> sure
[01:24] <numus> i probably shouldnt have done that
[01:24] <TuTUXG_> 200kb/s is not too bad tho
[01:24] <numus> i am use to 1 mb/s or higher
[01:24] <savvas> if you compare it to my max 52kb/s :)
[01:24] <numus> savvas i feel sorry for you...
[01:24] <savvas> so do I :p
[01:25] <TuTUXG_> i got average 400kb/s when dl from ubuntu server
[01:25] <numus> im plugging it into ethernet..
[01:25] <jer132> "savvas: thanks!
[01:26] <numus> of course.. now it wont download
[01:26] <drsalton> i was told by someone here that the reversed brightness controls was a known issue in hal, but i could not find a bug report for it anywhere
[01:26] <numus> 250 kb/s a little better
[01:27] <savvas> jer132: n/p, and i think the package should be hostname - but I'm not sure, better get help from the experts in that channel :)
[01:27] <jer132> savvas: I'm trying.  But I'm thinkin they might all be asleep  lol
[01:29] <savvas> numus: you could always choose a server in your country http://us...
[01:30] <savvas> oh and rsync sometimes proves faster
[01:30] <spiderfire> is firefox broken now?
[01:30] <tanner_> seems to work fine for me
[01:30] <Itaku> tight.c:29:21: error: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory
[01:30] <Itaku> there do i get that?
[01:30] <spiderfire> tanner_: are you using 2 or 3?
[01:30] <tanner_> 3b4
[01:31] <taggie> anybody have issues with usb connection to canon cameras in hardy? getting [  245.204576] usb 5-2: device not accepting address 16, error -71
[01:32] <savvas> taggie: maybe bug #180794
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180794 in sane-backends "access to usb device denied in latest hardy package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180794
[01:33] <savvas> Itaku: what are you trying to do? :)
[01:34] <taggie> savvas, thank you
[01:35] <savvas> Itaku: not sure, but maybe you need the package libjpeg62-dev
[01:36] <SilverDawn> Hey guys, I just had the strangeist issue, I went to type into pidgin after bein afk while a few hours, When i hit enter i got the noise it makes by default then it started repeating the noise, Then stuff stopped working, I couldnt even start a terminal. I tried resetting alsa but that didnt help, I ended up doing a full reboot to fix it, Any ideas on what could cause that?
[01:36] <fyrmedic> I tried to do apt-get upgrade today and it is persistently holding back serpentine and splashy. I have already done dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install. Any other ideas
[01:37] <numus> savvas it is a site that only has 1 server
[01:38] <DanaG> hmm, interesting.  http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/   -- perhaps a new 'ati' driver might render blacklists unnecessary.
[01:38] <savvas> fyrmedic: sudo apt-get install serpentine splashy
[01:38] <DanaG> Splashy is not good, in my opinion.
[01:39] <DanaG> Does it even work?
[01:39] <SilverDawn> anyone have any ideas on that?
[01:39] <DanaG> I really wish Ubuntu would use fbsplash.
[01:39] <savvas> DanaG: he asked to install it :)
[01:39] <fyrmedic> savvas: leave to me to forget the easy stuff. Thanks I'll get back to you if I have any problems.
[01:39] <fyrmedic> DanaG: I don't know I don't even know what it is.
[01:40] <DanaG> It's an alternate bootsplash mechanism.
[01:40] <savvas> SilverDawn: it could be anything, but without the logs in /var/log/ you can't see what caused it
[01:40] <fyrmedic> If I just uninstall it do I have to replace it with something else?
[01:41]  * mneptok wishes we could just get rid of graphical splash candy
[01:41]  * DanaG wishes consoles weren't broken.
[01:41] <mneptok> but then, i'm one of theose old Unix farts
[01:41] <mneptok> *those
[01:42] <DanaG> If you use vga=anything, the fonts are exactly the same color as the background.
[01:42] <aHappyJenny86> will upgrading to hardy heron from gutsy change my display settings? backgrounds themes fonts icons etc etc....
[01:42] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: no
[01:42] <aHappyJenny86> what about my font settings
[01:42] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: unless you wipe the drive/partition clean
[01:42] <DanaG> Try it some time, and you'll notice that consoles are blank.  Log in blindly and run setupcon, and they'll become visible.
[01:42] <aHappyJenny86> mscorefonts and such
[01:42] <aHappyJenny86> cool
[01:42] <taggie> savvas, sorry, not the same thing, this is a camera, no sane involved, looks like a more basic usb problem
[01:43] <SilverDawn> Has anyone got mpd working using pulseaudio
[01:43] <DanaG> Lame: right-clicking on padevchooser does absolutely nothing at all.  You have to left-click.
[01:43] <aHappyJenny86> how much extra space is nessecary for hardy heron?
[01:43] <numus> this download is taking forever
[01:43] <savvas> aHappyJenny86: it probably won't change anything that's in /home/user/ directory, and won't remove a package/application unless it's clashing with another one
[01:43] <earl__> new version of NetworkManager did the trick
[01:44] <earl__> i'm pretty sure it required me to enable more repositories
[01:44] <earl__> but it did the trick
[01:44] <numus> anyone heard anything abotu the xbmc-linux project?
[01:44] <aHappyJenny86> and whats the coolest thing about the new version?
[01:44] <aHappyJenny86> i use XBMC
[01:44] <burner> numus: it sounds promising, but i don't think there's any real progress
[01:44] <burner> xbmc on my xbox was sweet
[01:45] <HardyOne> how do i switch to -generic kernel?
[01:45]  * burner sold the tv though
[01:45] <savvas> aHappyJenny86: www.ubuntu.com/testing/ - each release new stuff are explained
[01:45] <SilverDawn> anyone at all.
[01:45] <Bugson> maybe someone knows how to disable automounting samba directories on my desktop?
[01:45] <aHappyJenny86> i was looking into xbmc on pc and on lnx
[01:45] <aHappyJenny86> it seems like development has stalled
[01:46] <aHappyJenny86> xbmc is hands down the best media center software ive ever tried
[01:46] <aHappyJenny86> its a real shame noone is working on the pc or lnx port
[01:46]  * mneptok uses MediaTomb in conjunction with his PS3
[01:47]  * DanaG thinks mediatomb is poorly documented.
[01:47] <DanaG> For example, nowhere does it say how to set what folders it scans.
[01:47] <DanaG> It has some web interface, but I have no idea if it's bound to only loopback.
[01:48] <aHappyJenny86> mediatomb to complicated
[01:48] <burner> elisa is coming along
[01:48] <HardyOne> aHappyJenny86, sounds like you found yourself a project
[01:48] <aHappyJenny86> ha i couldnt code my way out of a paperbag
[01:48] <Bugson> any idea with that automounting?
[01:48] <fyrmedic> If I follow one of the many tutorials for installing fglrx on gutsy does that pose a problem or is there one for hardy. The default restricted one doesn't work right'
[01:49] <Bugson> fyrmedic, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/197639
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197639 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] fglrx xv output not available for video playback" [High,Confirmed]
[01:49] <icanhasadmin> fyrmedic: imhe, 8.3 caty build/dpkg works just fine. but don't take my word for it
[01:50] <fyrmedic> thanks
[01:50] <savvas> hm.. they added amr support for mplayer?
[01:51] <mneptok> DanaG: uhhh ... it's in the config file
[01:52] <HardyOne> how do i use the -generic kernel instead of 386?
[01:52] <niocholas_jones> does anyone know a program that would allow you to do...control + alt + 1 = copy_buffer_1 , control + alt + 2 = copy_buffer_2 and to paste them you do control + 1, control + 2 , or something similar? anyone?
[01:52] <Itaku> when i go to prefs>remote desktop it doesnt open whats wrong with it and how do i fix it?
[01:52] <Bugson> please any sugestion with automounting smb directories?
[01:52] <tim> рш
[01:52] <tim> Hi
[01:52] <savvas> HardyOne: apt-get install linux-generic
[01:52] <tim> How do I enable spell checking for another language in Xchat ?
[01:53] <Bugson> tim install another language
[01:53] <Bugson> and change it in system
[01:53] <HardyOne> savvas, 0 packages
[01:53] <savvas> HardyOne: then you reboot, hit Esc key several times, choose to boot to the -generic kernel, then when you're back you remove the -386
[01:53] <savvas> hm..
[01:54] <tim> I have already done it
[01:54] <icanhasadmin> Bugson: Oh, interesting, that explains why my fglrx works. I have Option "TexturedVideo" "on" in my xorg on my hardy test box. i guess that's why i didn't have that issue.
[01:54] <savvas> HardyOne: 0 packages what? you already have it installed you mean?
[01:54] <tim> My AGP 2600xt is not SUPPORTED YET by the way !!
[01:55] <Itaku> when i go to prefs>remote desktop it doesnt open whats wrong with it and how do i fix it?
[01:55] <HardyOne> savvas, I am not certain
[01:55] <Bugson> icanhasadmin: I know I was looking for that for quite long ;)
[01:55] <Eroick> is it possible to get monodevelop 1.0 in 8.04 without compiling?
[01:55] <savvas> tim: report a bug, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:55] <HardyOne> savvas, let me reboot and see if it is there
[01:55] <savvas> HardyOne: no need
[01:56] <tim> it is allready their
[01:56] <Itaku> when i go to prefs>remote desktop it doesnt open whats wrong with it and how do i fix it???
[01:56] <SilverDawn> Anyone got pulseaudio working with mpd
[01:56] <tim> non of the Linux distros support my Video Card at the moment !
[01:56] <Bugson> tim Xchat's spellcheck is using your system language, that and only that one
[01:56] <icanhasadmin> tim:  what card?
[01:56] <tim> **AGP** Radeon 2600xt
[01:57] <savvas> apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic would do the trick :\
[01:57] <savvas> I just told him no need, heh
[01:57] <Bugson> savvas maybe you know how to disable the automounting samba directories?
[01:59] <savvas> Bugson: not exactly.. tried /etc/samba/smb.conf or /etc/fstab ?
[01:59] <savvas> HardyOne: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic
[01:59] <Bugson> savvas I don't think that it is mounted by samba
[01:59] <HardyOne> savvas, ty it was already installed
[01:59] <savvas> HardyOne: ah ok then
[01:59] <HardyOne> I am running it now
[02:00] <Bugson> savvas it's more like mounting new network directories
[02:00] <Bugson> it's like mounting Pendrive or somethink like that
[02:00] <tanner_> ugh, stupid pidgin
[02:00] <HardyOne> YAY! got sound back
[02:00] <HardyOne> :))))
[02:00] <tanner_> apparently block doesnt mean they cant talk to you..erm
[02:00] <Eroick> hardy is looking good so far. the only problem is that auto detection on broadcom wireless cards still doesn't work, but that was fixed by blacklisting the driver and using ndiswrapper. Not preferable, but it works.
[02:01] <SilverDawn> Cmon no one here uses mpd?
[02:02] <compbrain> SilverDawn: What about MPD?
[02:02] <SilverDawn> pulse audio doesnt seem to like it
[02:02] <Flannel> SilverDawn: check bugs against it
[02:02] <savvas> HardyOne: you can remove the -386 using synaptic, search for -386 :)
[02:03] <HardyOne> will do but do I not want to keep it incase?
[02:03] <martalli> I use mpd!
[02:03] <savvas> HardyOne: sure
[02:03] <compbrain> SilverDawn: Are you using the config guide fro mmpd.wikia.com?
[02:03] <savvas> whatever bakes your cookie :P
[02:03] <SilverDawn> compbrain, no
[02:03] <HardyOne> I mean I have no sound with 386 but besides that it works fine
[02:03] <martalli> Oh, well, I left that machine on ubuntu 7.10....it's just a minimal server anyway
[02:03] <SilverDawn> I added mpd to the three groups and changed my mpd config to use my sink w
[02:03] <Bugson> savvas maybe you know what soft is mounting pendrives, cds, dvds and so on?
[02:04] <Itaku> (vino-preferences:2992): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[02:04] <Itaku> how do i fix that?
[02:04] <savvas> Bugson: no idea
[02:04] <compbrain> SilverDawn: mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio
[02:05] <savvas> Bugson: gnome-mount ? :)
[02:05] <nikrud> now that network-manager is working again, this is one smooth beta.
[02:05] <niocholas_jones> does anyone know a program that would allow you to do...control + alt + 1 = copy_buffer_1 , control + alt + 2 = copy_buffer_2 and to paste them you do control + 1, control + 2 , or something similar? anyone?
[02:05] <nikrud> Itaku you trying to run it as root?
[02:05] <Bugson> savvas and the directory to the config file ;) ?
[02:06] <Itaku> no
[02:06] <Itaku> even as root same result
[02:07] <martalli> Is anyone having problems booting into 2.6.24-12-generic?  It fails every time for me, and I end up having to boot through 2.6.22-14 ... which I think is dimply left over from feisty (I ran upgrade-manager -d)
[02:07] <Itaku> how do i fix that?
[02:07] <nemo> martalli: various dev kernels have caused issues for me. try one of the older versions?
[02:07] <nemo> fortunately 2.6.24-12-generic is working right now.
[02:08] <nikrud> Itaku I only mentioned it since it's a common error running as root; I don't use vino so any reason it has I don't know
[02:08] <martalli> Hmm...maybe I should just try reinstalling it
[02:08] <Bugson> savvas I think that will be gconf-editor?
[02:08] <Itaku> how do i reinstall it?
[02:09] <nikrud> Itaku sudo apt-get install --reinstall vino
[02:09] <HardyOne> it is so great to have sound back :)
[02:10] <nemo> martalli: and of course file a bug noting your machine make/model blah blah :)
[02:10] <HardyOne> nikrud, you changed the spelling of your nick
[02:10] <nikrud> HardyOne yeah, a change of pace
[02:11] <HardyOne> yeah same here
[02:11] <HardyOne> got tired of being Idle lol
[02:11] <savvas> no idea Bugson :\
[02:11] <HardyOne> although being Idlelized isnt bad
[02:11] <nikrud> idleone!! Hello
[02:11] <martalli> nemo: Yeha, this is a Dell 530, one of the Dell ubuntu machines
[02:12] <martalli> I was going through the dell wiki looking for clue =)
[02:12] <chris062689> I hear this new filesystem later (GVFS?) is really unstable, and files are lost all of the time, is this true?  Or is it just FUD?
[02:12] <DanaG> Safety measure: always use copy, not move.
[02:13] <nemo> martalli: interesting. I've got a dell ubuntu machine too
[02:13] <chris062689> But other than that, it's pretty stable?
[02:13] <IdleOne> heya nickrud
[02:13] <nemo> Dimension E520 though
[02:13] <nemo> martalli: guess you got the later model
[02:13] <martalli> chris062689: Maybe you heard about the windows home server: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Infrastructure/Microsoft-Admits-to-Home-Server-Data-Corruption-Problem/
[02:13] <burner> i have the e520 :)
[02:13] <nemo> burner: http://m8y.org/tmp/newdell.html - was my first dell purchase
[02:13] <nemo> burner: just wanted to support 'em in their linux experiment :)
[02:14] <nemo> hell. was my first computer purchase
[02:14] <martalli> I guess so, but at least I still got a c2d...this one is for my son.  The ones we got at the office were dual pentium
[02:14] <chris062689> So by this point, it's pretty safe to use Hardy.
[02:14] <burner> nemo: i'm with ya... i did the same
[02:14] <burner> ooh, i got the intel graphics to begin with
[02:15] <chris062689> Can I use UbuntuEee scripts with Xubuntu 8.04?
[02:15] <burner> i've upgraded since to a 256 7300LE exactly :)
[02:15] <burner> nemo: we have the exact same pc :)
[02:15] <martalli> chris062689: I would check with the eee sites.
[02:15] <SilverDawn> k im getting a connection refused from mpd, could it be that i dont have a user named 'mpd' and yet in the config file i do? according to my 'user manager' its just me and root
[02:15] <martalli> The scripts probably will need updating with 8.04
[02:15] <chris062689> They don't report anything about it.
[02:15] <SilverDawn> I have no clue why its doin this... i can pastebin the exact error if you like
[02:15] <chris062689> I might as well try it out...
[02:16] <martalli> SilverDawn: I don't think mpd actually needs a user named mpd
[02:16] <SilverDawn> http://pastebin.ca/957619
[02:16] <SilverDawn> Thats the error im getting
[02:16] <nemo> burner: nifty. :) depending on when you bought it, you probably got a better deal than me
[02:16] <burner> nemo:  http://buranen.info/?p=126
[02:16] <martalli> I set up my 7.10 box with an mpd user, but I am not certain such a thing is necessary
[02:16] <nemo> burner: I did disable every "extra" that I could find cheaper on newegg/pricewatch
[02:17] <burner> me too... bad ass machine though
[02:17] <nemo> hm. you got it a bit later, so you probably made out better. they cut down the price a bit after people noted it wasn't much of a linux discount :)
[02:17] <burner> i wrote a blog about it... it was my greatest digg story ever :)
[02:18] <burner> 3000+ even
[02:18] <SilverDawn> Anyone know?
[02:19]  * burner doesn't use mpd and shrugs
[02:19] <SilverDawn> I wish i knew something better then mpd
[02:19] <SilverDawn> lol
[02:19] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Have you tried checking LP?
[02:19] <SilverDawn> LP?
[02:19] <martalli> I have been using mpd to play the music on hold at the office for months
[02:20] <Flannel> SilverDawn: launchpad  also, does mpd work without an X client? (I see an X error in there)
[02:20] <martalli> Once set up, its utterly reliable.  Of course, it is a devil to set up...
[02:20] <SilverDawn> Flannel, yes it does
[02:20] <martalli> Flannel: avsolutely
[02:20] <martalli> I run it on a headless server
[02:20] <SilverDawn> it works i just want it to work with pulse
[02:21] <Flannel> SilverDawn: oh, is pulse audio a graphical client?
[02:21] <martalli> SilverDawn: In the link above (http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio), you problem looks like the section titled "For Distros where PulseAudio access rights are broken"
[02:22] <martalli> Flannel: I think it is merely a backend
[02:22] <SilverDawn> Yes... i did all of those
[02:22] <SilverDawn> Added them to groups and still no worky
[02:22] <SilverDawn> ran that command in a prompt
[02:23] <Flannel> SilverDawn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpd/+bug/192735
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192735 in mpd "mpd no access to soundcard using pulseaudio" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:23] <Flannel> SilverDawn: perhaps you can provide more imput to that
[02:24] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Or rather, there looks like a workaround at the end.
[02:24] <martalli> SilverDawn: Maybe you just need to restart the sounds system (or reboot to be completely sure
[02:24] <martalli> Did you access the mpd remotely to get it started?
[02:25] <SilverDawn> no its all local
[02:25] <martalli> did you turn up the volume with alsamixer (easily overlooked on a headless server, for example =)
[02:25] <martalli> oh, well, you probably have that down , then
[02:26] <martalli> SilverDawn: You said you don't have a user mpd?
[02:27] <SilverDawn> Not that im aware of
[02:27] <martalli> Then, in that mpd.wikia.com link above, you need to add the user that is running mpd to the groups as listed
[02:27] <martalli> not mpd, snice there is no such user
[02:27] <chris062689> Does anyone here own an EeePC?
[02:28] <martalli> eg, [sudo usermod -a -G pulse-access myaccount], instead of [sudo usermod -a -G pulse-access mpd]
[02:28] <martalli> just a thought, but maybe that was the problem?
[02:29] <SilverDawn> brb
[02:29] <SilverDawn> ima try a reboot
[02:29] <SilverDawn> now root and my user are in those groups
[02:30] <numus> ok i got a problem
[02:30] <numus> i am at the install where it says migrate documents and settings
[02:31] <numus> and says there were no users or operating systems suitable for importing from
[02:31] <numus> and i should be able to hit foward to make a new one.. but only cancel is clickable.. foward is not
[02:32]  * DanaG uses adduser instead of usermod.
[02:32] <numus> tutugx_ you here?
[02:32] <SilverDawn> i feel like im hitting my head against a wall here
[02:32] <SilverDawn> That didnt work either
[02:32] <aHappyJenny86> well hardy just broke my computer
[02:32] <aHappyJenny86> the whole thing is bugging out
[02:32] <SilverDawn> If i ran it under the user root it should work
[02:33] <aHappyJenny86> can someone help me, i think its got something to do with nautilus... it wont let me browse my hard drives... and for some reason my desktop background is gone and it wont let me change it
[02:33] <numus> Anyone have any idea?
[02:34] <aHappyJenny86> when i 1st restarted basically every program crashed... and i had to close the error reports from system monitor
[02:36] <numus> burner
[02:36] <aHappyJenny86> great so im on my own, awesome...
[02:37] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: rm -r ~/.gconf
[02:37] <DanaG> hold on
[02:37] <DanaG> that's overkill.
[02:37] <aHappyJenny86> what is that
[02:37] <SilverDawn> anyone got anymore ideas on the sound issue
[02:37] <DanaG> Removes almost all gnome preferences.
[02:37] <aHappyJenny86> well i just did it
[02:38] <mneptok> DanaG: feel free to search that haystack. i'll stick with a lighter.
[02:38] <aHappyJenny86> in terminal is something supposed to happen?
[02:38] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: no
[02:38] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: try logging in now
[02:38] <aHappyJenny86> k
[02:38] <DanaG> Another way to fix gnome login: as yourself (not root!) remove everything you own under /tmp
[02:39] <aHappyJenny86> umm that didnt help
[02:39] <aHappyJenny86> just lost all my cool settings
[02:39] <mneptok> then you have a really borked GNOME
[02:39] <SilverDawn> http://pastebin.ca/957632 <--- any ideas
[02:40] <aHappyJenny86> im alot more concerned with being able to access my drives
[02:40] <DanaG> Another way to fix gnome login: as yourself (NOT ROOT!!!) remove everything you own under /tmp
[02:40] <DanaG> hint for rm: try -rfi (i for interactive -- asks for every file)
[02:40] <aHappyJenny86> i cant even right click the desktop
[02:40] <rexy_> SilverDawn, is the pulseaudio server running?
[02:40] <SilverDawn> Yep
[02:41] <aHappyJenny86> i cant deal with linux anymore, everyday its something else this would be my second complete reinstall in 1 wk
[02:41] <SilverDawn> And i get playback from paman
[02:41] <SilverDawn> aHappyJenny86, then dont run beta
[02:41] <numus> hardy install is stuck at 15% detecting file systems
[02:42] <aHappyJenny86> i thought it was stable
[02:42] <SilverDawn> Hardy is beta
[02:42] <aHappyJenny86> isnt it being released in like 15 days?
[02:42] <SilverDawn> hense ubuntu+1
[02:42]  * mneptok blinks
[02:42] <SilverDawn> 30 days
[02:42] <SilverDawn> and thats alot of time for updates
[02:42] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: if you want stable, install a released version
[02:42] <SilverDawn> personally i can deal with the bugs, and i could figure this one out too if i knew a thing about mpd or pulse audio
[02:43] <SilverDawn> i just like mpd and have never used pulse audio
[02:44] <aHappyJenny86> well i just figured out that its defintely nautilus... Thunar works fine. Any suggestions? Is there a way i can set Thunar to be my default file manager
[02:44] <mneptok> aHappyJenny86: are you using Compiz?
[02:44] <aHappyJenny86> yes
[02:44] <mneptok> try disabling it
[02:44] <aHappyJenny86> whats the best way to do that
[02:45] <mneptok> can you runt he GUI at all?
[02:45] <mneptok> *run the
[02:45] <aHappyJenny86> im in the gui
[02:45] <mneptok> System > Prefs > Appearance > Desktop Effects
[02:45] <aHappyJenny86> it seems fine except my desktop background is gone and i cannot right click
[02:46] <aHappyJenny86> ok im in desktop effects
[02:46] <aHappyJenny86> how do i switch them off
[02:47] <mneptok> System > Prefs > Appearance > Desktop Effects > None
[02:48] <aHappyJenny86> oh ok
[03:02] <aHappyJenny86> nautilus is totally broken in my install of hardy, anyone have similar problems?
[03:03] <awalton__> define "totally broken"
[03:04] <aHappyJenny86> wen i log in, the file manager flashes and crashes 3 or 4 times then when i try to browse any folders it wont open.
[03:04] <aHappyJenny86> no response to gksudo nautilus
[03:04] <aHappyJenny86> thunar works fine tho
[03:04] <awalton__> try running it in a debugger and seeing why it crashes
[03:04] <awalton__> gdb nautilus
[03:07] <aHappyJenny86> never used debugger before
[03:07] <aHappyJenny86> how does it work
[03:08] <axisys> anyidea why I cannot play wav file using play?
[03:08] <axisys> play soxio: Failed reading `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/falling.wav': unknown file type `auto'
[03:09] <axisys> plays just fine with mplayer
[03:09] <axisys> as a user
[03:09] <axisys> and as root
[03:10] <poseidon> How do I change the color of the menus in ubuntu?  I want them to be blue when I open them and scroll over them (instead of brown)
[03:11] <wastrel> poseidon: that's controlled by the gtk theme
[03:11] <wastrel> "controls"
[03:12] <wastrel> system  > preferences> appearance > themes > customize > controls
[03:12] <wastrel> you either have to find or install a gtk (controls) theme that looks like what you want, or you have to edit the gtkrc file to change the colors you want.
[03:13] <zcat[1]> Are there any users that actually use orca .. I haven't been able to do jack with it ever, and it seems in hardy it's still about as bad as ever.
[03:13] <wastrel> that's not really a hardy question tho hrm.
[03:15] <zcat[1]> I can't imagine ubuntu including an app that's not just buggy but utterly, completely useless .. yet I can't imagine a blind user actually being able to use orca as it is now, unless there's some trick I don't know about that makes it work properly and reliably.
[03:15] <axisys> play soxio: Failed reading `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/falling.wav': unknown file type `auto'
[03:15] <zcat[1]> anyone know?
[03:15] <axisys> any idea why i cant play using play but mplayer?
[03:18] <irelinquish> hey, i have the ubuntu beta installed but whats the easiest way to install kde4.0.2 desktop from gnome?
[03:23] <mneptok> irelinquish: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[03:23] <irelinquish> ahh, thanks i just installed kde4-core
[03:23] <irelinquish> ill remove that and do that
[03:23] <irelinquish> thanks
[03:24] <mneptok> rawk awn
[03:24] <irelinquish> ?
[03:25] <axisys> any taker?
[03:25] <axisys> play soxio: Failed
[03:25] <axisys> play soxio: Failed reading `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/falling.wav': unknown file type `auto'
[03:27] <axisys> !sox
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <DanaG> !find sox
[03:28] <ubotu> Found: sh:
[03:28] <DanaG> wtf?
[03:28] <axisys> i have to downgrade sox
[03:28] <axisys> i bet this version with hardy is broken
[03:28] <DanaG> What is 'sox', besides an article of clothing?
[03:29] <DanaG> (and names of sports teams)
[03:29] <axisys> DanaG: hehe
[03:29] <mneptok> axisys: did you install the Sox playback libs for the filetypes you want?
[03:29] <mneptok> axisys: in this case "libsox-fmt-ao"
[03:29] <axisys> mneptok: not yet
[03:30] <mneptok> apt0cache search libsox-fmt
[03:30] <mneptok> grrr
[03:30] <mneptok> apt-cache search libsox-fmt
[03:30] <axisys> mneptok: all these were recommended when i reintsalled sox right now
[03:30] <axisys> libsox-fmt-base libsox-fmt-alsa libsox-fmt-ao libsox-fmt-oss
[03:30] <axisys> should i just get that one?
[03:30] <axisys> mneptok: what u say?
[03:31] <mneptok> get whatever filters you need for the media you want Sox to play
[03:31] <axisys> mneptok: gotcha
[03:31] <DanaG> What exactly is sox, anyway?
[03:31] <mneptok> but -ao is what you want for .wav
[03:31] <axisys> mneptok: in that case I am just installing libsox-fmt-all
[03:31] <mneptok> DanaG: http://sox.sf.net
[03:32] <axisys> mneptok: getting busy error.. http://rafb.net/p/jCHZMG13.html
[03:33] <Syko> oh no! i just realized that my Keyboard buttons lost functionality with the upgrade (volume control)
[03:33] <axisys> mneptok: how do I tell it to use pulseaudio?
[03:33] <DanaG> random thought.... /me wonders which is better: Seagate's "FreeAgent Pro" or WD's "My Book Home" external hard drive.  Both have firewire, and probably have comparable performance, but nowhere does anybody quantify noise.
[03:34] <tritium> DanaG: the Seagate spins down, and is a pain in some respects
[03:35] <tritium> DanaG: although, there is a fix: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent
[03:35] <woodwizzle> Is there a GUI for xorg.conf now?
[03:35] <woodwizzle> how do I change my video card driver in the GUI? or do I still need to edit my xorg.conf?
[03:36]  * DanaG must go now.  Will be back tomorrow.
[03:36] <axisys> woodwizzle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:38] <woodwizzle> axisys: I'm familiar with that program. I'd prefer to manually edit my xorg.conf since I have hardware that needs to be set up very specifically and I've been doing is since dapper drake. I just thought there was a GUI tool now, and I wanted to beta test it on my troublesome laptop
[03:40] <Tuv0k> !bulletproof
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulletproof - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <Tuv0k> there was bulletproof
[03:40] <Tuv0k> but if you can get to desktop there are plenty of gui tools for video configuration
[03:41] <woodwizzle> AFAIK Bulletproof X loads up if no working driver can be fond. My install is working by default with the vesa drivers at 800x600.
[03:44] <Tuv0k> I have not seen bulletproof since gutsy
[03:46] <woodwizzle> looks like displayconfig-gtk was the program I was looking for. I couldn't find it in the menus though
[03:50] <JohnPhys> Does anyone in here notice fonts in gnome-terminal or Qt apps (kde3, such as kile or kopete) that don't follow the sub-pixel hintings given in System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> Fonts?
[03:54] <poseidon> How do I install kiba-dock?
[03:57] <segfault> hi, how can i remove the Ubuntu logo, from gnome panel?, i want to have the old-school gnome foot (lol), in hardy beta
[04:07] <CarlFK> does hardy use the ath5k wifi drivers? (open source Atheros, takes the place of madwifi)
[04:09] <JohnPhys> Does anyone in here notice fonts in gnome-terminal or Qt apps (kde3, such as kile or kopete) that don't follow the sub-pixel hintings given in System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> Fonts?
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Why is Picard freakin' retarded.
[04:10] <JohnPhys> .....he had borg components implanted directly in his brain?  I have no idea.
[04:10] <SeveredCross> No, not that Picard, the Musicbrainz tagger.
[04:11] <JohnPhys> .........that makes so much more sense now!  sorry
[04:11] <JohnPhys> and how is it retarded?
[04:13] <gunashekar> anyone compared fedora 9 beta with hardy beta?
[04:15] <JohnPhys> nope
[04:21] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
[04:22] <BHSPitMonkey> gunashekar, http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/track-linux.ars
[04:29] <Zoris> hey is there any way I can get xchat to minimize to the system tray when I close it?
[04:29] <Zoris> in Hardy Heron, of course
[04:30] <Tuv0k> just click the big X on the panel?
[04:30] <Tuv0k> its like magic
[04:32] <Zoris> yeah, but that just closes
[04:32] <Zoris> I want it to go to the system try like Amarok or Pidgin
[04:32] <Zoris> tray*
[04:33] <SilverDawn> Anyone here gnome a nice icon set for GNOME
[04:33] <SilverDawn> Im not saying human isnt nice, Im just not a huge fan of the color orange
[04:37] <Zoris> I'm using "Gion" Icons with GNOME, and I like it well enough
[04:40] <DanaG> Argh, ipw3945 can't join hidden-ssid wpa.
[04:42] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  ......that sucks
[04:42] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  WPA personal or enterprise?
[04:42] <Polygon89> has anyone gotten audio in flash to work? it shows up in the pulseaudio volume control thing but i still dont hear sound in like, youtube for example.
[04:43] <DanaG> WPA.
[04:43] <DanaG> Personal.
[04:43] <DanaG> s/ipw/iwl/
[04:43] <DanaG> Oh, and b43 has broken symbols.
[04:43] <ChaosParser> Polygon89: When it first boots, yes.  Audio randomly dies every now and then for me.
[04:43] <Polygon89> hmm.
[04:44] <Polygon89> I dont think pulseaudio is like completely working for me, according to the pulseaudio volume control program, it doesnt detect banshee when its playing music
[04:45] <JohnPhys> Polygon89:  How can I find the pulseaudio control panel?
[04:45] <SilverDawn> has anyone else noticed that the cube doesnt quite work
[04:46] <SilverDawn> Its like... a square lol just flat
[04:46] <Polygon89> i actually found it using add/remove programs, i dont know the package names
[04:46] <JohnPhys> ah ok
[04:46] <Polygon89> but there is a device chooser that can sit in your systray that basically controls everything
[04:46] <Polygon89> volume control, manager, and volume meters
[04:46] <JohnPhys> is pulseaudio installed and used by default?  if so, I have sound in flash using it in ff3b4
[04:46] <Polygon89> just search 'pulseaudio' in add/remove
[04:47] <Polygon89> none of this config stuff is installed by default which i think is a mistake...
[04:47] <SilverDawn> anyone know about the cube thing? Thats the only thing now that i need to figure out before bed
[04:47] <SilverDawn> :)
[04:48] <JohnPhys> there's a volume meter, manager, and volume control
[04:48] <SilverDawn> padevchooser - PulseAudio Device Chooser
[04:48] <SilverDawn> paman - PulseAudio Manager
[04:48] <SilverDawn> paprefs - PulseAudio Preferences
[04:48] <SilverDawn> pavucontrol - PulseAudio Volume Control
[04:48] <SilverDawn> pavumeter - PulseAudio Volume Meter
[04:48] <SilverDawn> Sorry for the spam, just thought it'd be helpful
[04:49] <JohnPhys> it's ok, I'm just wondering which one/ones Polygon89 had installed and is referring to
[04:49] <Polygon89> well
[04:49] <Polygon89> pavucontrol shows what 'streams' are playing
[04:49] <Polygon89> and im currently playing music with banshee and its not showing up there, but i do hear the music
[04:49] <Polygon89> so its working...but not?
[04:50] <JohnPhys> odd
[04:50] <Polygon89> and when i play youtube videos it does show up as a stream but i dont hear sound
[04:50] <charles__> in add/remove applications, what does it mean when a package's checkbox is greyed out?
[04:50] <charles__> (specifically ardour GTK2)
[04:51] <Polygon89> means you cant install it cuase it has dependency problems...
[04:51] <Polygon89> at least that what it means when it shows up in update-manager
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh heck, it gets even better: repeatedly trying to join a hidden-ssid WPA access point with iwl3945 actually CRASHES NetworkManager.
[04:53] <DanaG> Last thing I saw was me saying broken symbols.
[04:53] <DanaG> Now I'm on bcm43xx.  So much for Intel being "better for Linux" -- hah!
[04:53] <DanaG> Actually, I think Ralink may be one of the better ones I've used, perhaps.
[04:54] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I tried to join the same access point with the same Broadcom card under OS X, and that failed, too.  So, perhaps it's partly the access point's fault.
[04:54] <DanaG> I wish people had never thought of hiding SSIDs; all it does is make things a pain in the ___.
[04:54] <[Neurotic]> heya, i'm using vmware workstation on hardy, and occasionally my ctrl, shift and alt keys refuse to work for me, but work fine in my vm.  is there anyway you guys know of to reset my keyboard, or something similiar to make this stop.  normally i have to reboot my machine, or logoff
[04:55] <rexy_> DanaG, well even hidden ones are still easy to spot
[04:55] <tritium> DanaG: it has it's usefulness
[04:55] <[Neurotic]> any help will be greatly appreciated in lowercase - grin -
[04:56] <SilverDawn> anyone know why the cube effect for compiz isnt working for me
[04:56] <SilverDawn> Im just getting a square that flips around
[04:57] <Lunks> I have to do "ifup eth0" every reboot if using static IP address. Is this known?
[04:57] <JohnPhys> did you check the number of sides on the cube?
[04:57] <[Neurotic]> silver - sound likeyou have the wall rather than the cube enabled
[04:57] <[Neurotic]> silver - either that, or try increasing the number of sides/dekstops to 4 or more
[04:58] <ChaosParser> [Neurotic]: dpkg-reconfigure console-data ?
[04:58] <SilverDawn> where would i increase the # of desktops to 4?
[04:58] <SilverDawn> is there some sorta workspace config for gnome im unaware of
[04:58] <ChaosParser> SilverDawn: Right click on the workspace switcher.
[04:58] <SilverDawn> lol
[04:58] <DanaG> [ 1625.257838] b43: Unknown symbol ieee80211_free_hw
[04:58] <ChaosParser> SilverDawn: left click on preferences.
[04:58] <[Neurotic]> chaos tah.. will try
[04:58] <DanaG> There are many missing symbols.
[04:59] <SilverDawn> its set to be 2c 2r
[04:59] <SilverDawn> so im not sure whats up
[04:59] <[Neurotic]> hahah now terminal is crashing
[04:59] <ChaosParser> [Neurotic]: Whoops.
[04:59] <[Neurotic]> i can't even type in it
[05:00] <[Neurotic]> chaos - is okay, not your fault, won't even let me type that in it
[05:00] <ChaosParser> [Neurotic]: Try alt F2?
[05:00] <[Neurotic]> alt doesn't work
[05:00] <[Neurotic]> ;0
[05:00] <ChaosParser> [Neurotic]: lol Damnit.  haha
[05:01] <DanaG> How can I teach that hidden SSIDs don't add any security?
[05:01] <SilverDawn> wow
[05:01] <SilverDawn> i prefer desktop wall
[05:01] <SilverDawn> lol
[05:01] <ChaosParser> [Neurotic]: Gotta love betas?
[05:01] <rexy_> DanaG, yelling loudly sometimes helps, using an experimental driver? had the same problems when tinkering with an acx driver
[05:01] <ChaosParser> DanaG: Do unlocked cars in unlocked garages still get stolen?
[05:01] <tritium> DanaG: there are plenty of users that can't even find an SSID if it's hidden
[05:02] <DanaG> What do unlocked cars have to do with anything?
[05:02] <rexy_> tritium, well they arent ussually the kind of people you want to keep out either
[05:02] <[Neurotic]> bugger
[05:02] <[Neurotic]> reboot time
[05:02] <tritium> rexy_: true
[05:02] <ChaosParser> DanaG: An unsecured wireless network is like an unlocked car.  A garage hides it. (as does turning off SSID broadcast), but it adds no real security if the garage is unlocked.
[05:03] <DanaG> It's locked, though.
[05:03] <tritium> ChaosParser: nice analogy
[05:03] <DanaG> But that's a good analogy.
[05:03] <rexy_> well not entirely, an ap only stays hidden if it's unused
[05:04] <DanaG> It's more like a cloaking field.
[05:04] <DanaG> You can still see people walking up to it.
[05:04] <[Neurotic]> i wish i could work this out.. i do a lot of work in vmware
[05:04] <ChaosParser> tritium: Thanks :)
[05:04] <ChaosParser> DanaG: So its a secured, non broadcasting SSID?
[05:05] <pleaseandthankyo> can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?
[05:05] <Polygon89> you can install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and all that sure.
[05:05] <Polygon89> they are just meta packages that pull in the standard installation so you will get the unique packages from each
[05:05] <ChaosParser> pleaseandthankyo: Pick one, then open a terminal and sudo apt-get install nameofothers-desktop
[05:06] <pleaseandthankyo> ChaosParser i want to isntall all at the same time
[05:06] <ChaosParser> pleaseandthankyo: Yeah.  That's what that does.
[05:06] <Polygon89> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop edubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <DanaG> Yup, secured and non-broadcasting.
[05:06] <pleaseandthankyo> ogre why doesn't everyone do that
[05:06] <pleaseandthankyo> why doesn't everyone do that
[05:06] <Polygon89> why would we need to?
[05:07] <ChaosParser> DanaG: Well, it does make it less tempting to script kiddies with packet injection.
[05:07] <Polygon89> i dont need KDE or xfce things on my machine...
[05:07] <DanaG> I like what the Intel Windows utility (sometimes) does:  it shows that there's an AP, but says it's <Hidden SSID>
[05:08] <ChaosParser> pleaseandthankyo: For the same reason you probably don't have a more than one microwave?  They all do the same things ultimately, the differences are ultimately aesthetic.
[05:11] <DanaG> Desktop environments come down to personal preference.
[05:12] <DanaG> But it still bugs me that the supposedly better-because-it's-open-source iwl3945 seems inferior to bcm43xx in some ways.
[05:16] <DanaG> One of these days I'll try ndiswrapper with my Intel.  If it works better than iwl3945, I'm going to laugh.
[05:18] <DanaG> !myself
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <woodwizzle> where is my gdm startup script?
[05:23] <Prometheus> I just updated gstreamer, is stuff not working right?
[05:24] <DanaG> what the hell?  I go 'ls' in my Downloads directory, and 'ls' SEGFAULTS!
[05:24] <DanaG> that's majorly screwed up.
[05:24] <Prometheus> I had that error in fedora 4 earlier today
[05:25] <Prometheus> reinstalled
[05:25] <eklof> fedora 4 ?
[05:25] <Prometheus> <--- does not like trixbox
[05:25] <Prometheus> yes
[05:25] <eklof> isn't that like, really really old ?
[05:25] <Prometheus> an old asterisk box
[05:25] <Prometheus> yes
[05:26] <DanaG> And I got an oops in ndiswrapper.
[05:27] <DanaG> I'm rebooting now.
[05:43] <DanaG> Well, I discovered what you get when you try to ndiswrapper Intel's Windows drivers:
[05:44] <DanaG> Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!
[05:44] <DanaG> Or rather,
[05:44] <DanaG> Segfaults and OOPSes and PANICs, Oh My!
[05:44] <DanaG> I had to pull out the card temporarily to get back to a bootable state.
[05:45] <DanaG> Oh, and this time, b43 loaded.  I wonder why it wouldn't load last time.
[05:46] <jk_> <3 b43
[05:46] <cyclonut> </3 b43.
[05:47] <cyclonut> that bugger broke my heart.
[05:47] <RAOF> DanaG: Um.  Why would you want to ndiswrapper Intel's windows driver?
[05:47] <ethana2> !tux
[05:47] <ubotu> tux is the Linux Mascot - http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/
[05:48] <ethana2> oh, ok..  good thing it knows that...  how about..
[05:48] <ethana2> !beastie
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beastie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <DanaG> Well, the iwl3945 can't join hidden-ssid WPA.
[05:49] <DanaG> And what's the difference between b43 and b43legacy?
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, iwl3945 also won't do 54 megabits on my access point.
[05:50] <vivek3> hey, so i was upgrading to 8.04 from 7.10 when elecrticity went off, 80% was done, so will it resume the updates now??
[05:50] <vivek3> do i start it the same way again?
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, I see... somehow, loading iwl3945 broke loading b43.
[05:51] <DanaG> Hah, Intel wireless better for Linux?  Well, maybe as far as morals go, but not for functionality.
[05:52] <cyclonut> well, iwl3945 and b43 are intrinsically enemies, no?
[05:52] <cyclonut> both try to run your wifi
[05:52] <tanner_> odd, minus 802.11n my Intel wifi card works perfectly
[05:52] <DanaG> Different cards, though.
[05:52] <DanaG> iwl3945+networkmanager also sucks at roaming between APs of the same SSID.
[05:53] <tanner_> networkmanager sucks period
[05:53] <DanaG> It'll think it's still connected to one, when it's in range of another but out of range of the first.
[05:53] <tanner_> please understand your speaking strictly of a software issue, not related to the intel drivers
[05:53] <cyclonut> tanner_, NM works a LOT better for me now
[05:53] <cyclonut> tanner_, it will detect new networks, switch per location
[05:54] <tanner_> and DanaG if you are having a lot of driver issues, join #ipw2100 and ask for assistance or tell them, they are in the power to fix it.
[05:54] <DanaG> I also do get breakage in the drivers, where even iwlist scan won't work.
[05:54] <tanner_> iwlist scan doesnt work at times either
[05:55] <DanaG> And I'll try to modprobe -r iwl3945, and modprobe will hang, eat CPU, and not die no matter what signal you try to kill it with.
[05:55] <tanner_> also understand, iwlwifi is still considered experimental
[05:55] <DanaG> s/you/I/
[05:55] <DanaG> I can ride the bus through town, going through areas A (lots of networks),  B (zero),  C (a few), and D (lots)
[05:56] <woodwizzle> what does the compiz section of the appearance dialog box check for to allow you to run compiz?
[05:56] <DanaG> I'll see A's networks all the way through B, and lack of networks in B will be seen in C. Then in D, I'll either see those from C, or nothing.
[05:56] <woodwizzle> if I turn compiz on from that dialog it fails, but I can run compiz.real --replace and compiz turns on
[05:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out the b43-iwl3945 conflict: they depend on different versions of mac80211 and iee80211.
[05:57] <DanaG> The two are mutually exclusive.
[05:58] <DanaG> aah:  "looks like iwlwifi ships its own mac80211 module, which hasn't received the scan_capa patch yet. "
[05:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/200950
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200950 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[iwl3945] network manager not able to associate to hidden SSID (scan_capa = 0x0)" [High,Fix committed]
[05:58] <DanaG> So, apparently iwlwifi evilly demands its own version of mac80211 modules.
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[05:59] <tanner_> pleaseandthankyo: does this pretain to hardy?
[06:00] <DanaG> Why the heck does iwl3945 demand its own versions of such modules?  That seems pretty ugly to me.
[06:00] <pleaseandthankyo> tanner_ huh?
[06:00] <hrlr> Sweet deal!  Sun Java now works properly in Firefox out-of-the-box!
[06:00]  * hrlr jumps around
[06:01] <tanner_> DanaG: you apparently do not understand software development. Specific features required to have the drivers working require those versions of the modules
[06:01] <tanner_> as i recall, they have modified the framework in order to implement better drivers/features.
[06:02] <tanner_> however you really should take your issues up to #ipw2100 or the intelinuxwireless mailing list
[06:02] <DanaG> Then couldn't they submit those changes upstream?  Or at least, couldn't the packages replace the in-kernel ones with those, and then buld b43 against those?
[06:02] <cyclonut> is there a way to get extended-back and forward buttons in firefox?
[06:02] <tanner_> DanaG: i assume that adds an unnecessarily complex layer to ubuntu (thinking support here)
[06:02] <cyclonut> i.e. the dropdown that lets you go back/forward multiple jumps in history
[06:03] <tanner_> cyclonut: yes, it is there, next to the forward button
[06:03] <DanaG> I guess there should be a note somewhere that iwlXXXX and b43 are mutually exclusive.
[06:03] <DanaG> bcm43xx works fine with iwl3945.
[06:03]  * cyclonut slaps self
[06:04] <cyclonut> tanner_, thank you, I have turned in my crown as king of obvious :)
[06:04] <tanner_> DanaG: i'm sure that note would get lost in the sea of other notes in that same list
[06:04] <tanner_> cyclonut: no worries, the interface is somewhat different than 2.x series and previous
[06:04] <Smegzor> If I upgrade using the cd and tell it not to format my /home partition, does it still ask for user accounts or does it import my existing accounts?
[06:05] <cyclonut> tanner_, quite. I honestly was pleased when I got the home button back to the 'right' place
[06:05] <tanner_> Smegzor: as i recall it will import them
[06:05] <tanner_> Smegzor: however, as always, please backup your data first :)
[06:06] <Smegzor> i thought it would, just being cautious.  I have backed up everything I'd want to keep and a fair chunk I probably don't need
[06:07] <Smegzor> i have a spare partition and if the smoke escapes, I can install to that and get it to a point where I can do my work (in virtualbox running XP)
[06:07] <Smegzor> all of my winderz stuff is backed up twice :D
[06:07] <tanner_> thats good
[06:11] <Smegzor> so, assuming there are no problems replacing my 7.10 with 8.04 via the cd, will I notice any losses (ie. programs missing)?  I've also been running an automated backup which grabs a number of important directories (but not home - its massive).
[06:13] <tanner_> Smegzor: i cant say for sure.
[06:14] <Smegzor> hmm..  i've run out of things to backup.  time to run the install cd and see what awaits.
[06:14] <tanner_> Smegzor: good luck
[06:15] <Smegzor> i've got a linux guru next door, i'll check with him first.  bye! :O
[06:23] <hrlr> When I type "java -version" I get the error message "java: command not found".  But I currently have Java 6 installed and the pluggin works in FF3.
[06:23] <hrlr> And I'm using Sun Java.
[06:24] <cyclonut> hrlr: sudo ln -s /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/
[06:25] <cyclonut> oh whoops
[06:25] <cyclonut> im sorry
[06:25] <cyclonut> I was giving you a line to make it work in ff3.
[06:25] <hrlr> my plugin works fine though.
[06:25] <hrlr> hehe...  I used to have to do that....  It works without that now.
[06:26] <hrlr> But for some reason when I switched back from Icedtea Java to Sun Java I can
[06:26] <hrlr> I can't get "java -version" to work
[06:28] <jk_> did you install from a package?
[06:29] <hrlr> jk_: I installed sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin via synaptic
[06:30] <hrlr> I then tried: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:31] <hrlr> and that said: There is only 1 program which provides java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java)
[06:31] <jk-> ok
[06:31] <hrlr> seems like there's a conflict somewhere.
[06:32] <jk-> that's ok, update-alternatives is jsut telling you that there are no alternatives :)
[06:32] <jk-> you should see the link in /etc/alternatives/ , yeah?
[06:33] <jk-> (ls -l /etc/alternatives/java)
[06:35] <hrlr> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/bin/java
[06:35] <hrlr> jk: /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/jre/bin/java
[06:35] <jk-> ok, maybe: sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[06:36] <hrlr> ah!  That worked!  :)
[06:36] <hrlr> Interesting that the install wouldn't set that.
[06:37] <jk-> yeah :/
[06:39] <hrlr> jk - Does the install typically set that?  I've never used anything but the proprietary Sun Java.
[06:40] <jk-> it should add it to the list of alternatives, alongside any currently-installed ones.
[06:43] <jk-> (then it's up to you to choose the alternative)
[06:44] <hrlr> right...  well I'll see if anyone who is more knowledgeable writes a bug.  If they don't, I might :)
[06:59] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone help me with network manager problem ? It keeps trying to connect the network even after I get an ip address
[07:00] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: The most recent version is borked.  Revert to an older one, and place updates on hold.
[07:01] <chrionix> Hi all, probably stupid question, but when I boot my new hardy dvd I get to the menu and nothing works, can't press up or down etc, any suggestions?
[07:01] <ChaosParser> chrionix: Desktop or notebook?
[07:01] <chrionix> ChaosParser: notebook
[07:02] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: which one is working ? 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 ?
[07:02] <ChaosParser> chrionix: And if you let it sit does it not automatically start booting?
[07:02] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Hold on, lemme see which one I'm using. :)
[07:02] <chrionix> ChaosParser: Actually, I'm not sure I tried that :P
[07:03] <ChaosParser> chrionix: There you go then.  There's a 15 second timeout, I believe.  Might be more or less.
[07:03] <chrionix> ChaosParser: I'll give it a bash, never even thought of it, thanks very much
[07:03] <ChaosParser> chrionix: No problem :)
[07:05] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: That's the one, ues.
[07:05] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: where can I get it ?
[07:07] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: it's noton the repositories
[07:07] <AnAnt> s/noton/not on
[07:08] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Gimme a second to find where I got it.
[07:08]  * Lunks gives ChaosParser
[07:08] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: thanks for help
[07:11] <chrionix> ChaosParser: doesn't seem there is a timeout mate
[07:12] <ChaosParser> chrionix: Odd.  There was on previous releases.  Try a USB keyboard?
[07:13] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Still looking.
[07:13] <chrionix> ChaosParser: it's weird, cause ctrl+alt+del still works to reboot, just can't use the menu at all
[07:14] <ChaosParser> chrionix: Does the CD keep spinning?
[07:15] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: ok
[07:15] <chrionix> ChaosParser: yeah, keeps going, I burnt a second copy, and checked the md5, still happens
[07:16] <ElTimo> is avant-window-navigator supported here?
[07:17] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/network-manager/download
[07:17] <ChaosParser> ElTimo: I don't see why not.  Its in the repos.
[07:17] <ElTimo> is it?
[07:17] <ElTimo> what version?
[07:17] <ElTimo> so it is
[07:17] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: I was there, those sites only have the ubuntu3 not ubuntu2 version
[07:18] <ElTimo> id like to have a more up-to-date version though, the repo version is 0.2.1 and id like 0.2.6
[07:18] <ChaosParser> 0.2.1
[07:19] <ElTimo> and plus, I just like compiling things from source
[07:19] <ElTimo> I got it to install, but I keep getting an error when it tries to run
[07:19] <ElTimo> avant-window-navigator: error while loading shared libraries: libawn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:20] <ElTimo> any ideas?
[07:21] <RAOF> ElTimo: Oh, you've installed that from source?  I'd suggest asking in an awn irc channel, or using the awn-core PPA packages.  Or the Universe packages, of course :)
[07:21] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/network-manager/0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[07:21] <ElTimo> RAOF: do you have a link for the ppa repo? im kinda too stupid to find that on my own :P
[07:22] <ChaosParser> ElTimo: I've found that such errors with AWN are often resolved by creating what its looking for.
[07:22] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: thanks
[07:22] <ElTimo> ChaosParser: I would, but it's a *.so file, and those are usually important if im not mistaken
[07:22] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: only network-manager or also libnm & so ?
[07:23] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Grab the deb, remove what you currently have via Synaptic, then install it.  You should have all the dependancies already.
[07:25] <RAOF> ElTimo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~awn-testing/+archive
[07:25] <ElTimo> sweet thanks
[07:27] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: I mean, should all dependcies be downgraded ?
[07:30] <Nergar> hello
[07:32] <tanner_> oh dear god
[07:32] <ElTimo> yes?
[07:32] <tanner_> $5.40 per gallon in california
[07:33] <ElTimo> 0.0
[07:33] <ElTimo> jfc
[07:33] <tanner_> my sentiments exactly
[07:33] <ElTimo> its only like $3~ here
[07:34] <tanner_> its $3.50 here :-\
[07:34] <ElTimo> where are you, hydrogen cars?!
[07:34] <ElTimo> we need you NOW!!
[07:34] <ElTimo> lol
[07:34] <tanner_> last i recall hydrogen cars were less fuel efficient
[07:35] <ElTimo> but they use h2
[07:35] <ElTimo> which is cheap
[07:35] <ElTimo> incredibly so
[07:35] <tanner_> not the extracting and storing of it
[07:35] <ElTimo> true
[07:35] <tanner_> liquid hydrogen is very dangerous
[07:35] <ElTimo> you mean fun ;)
[07:35] <tanner_> fun^2!
[07:35] <ElTimo> rofl
[07:36] <lzzz> if i run 3dmark 2001 with desktop set to native 1680x1050 then 3dmark quit with "window lost focus" error, if i run with 1024x768, it run ok for 1st test, but quit with same error for 2nd test, and with quitting i found desktop set to 1680x1050. it seems ubuntu switching video modes without asking. how to prohibit any resolutions but 1024x768 to prevent mode switching?
[07:36]  * tanner_ was unaware 3dmark was also a linux application
[07:37] <lzzz> it dosnt need to be linux app to be run
[07:37] <tanner_> lzzz: so you are using wine?
[07:37] <lzzz> and no its not linux app
[07:37] <lzzz> i use crossover
[07:37] <lzzz> trial
[07:37] <tanner_> please direct all questions to #wine or their respective channels
[07:37] <tanner_> and/or mailing lists
[07:37] <lzzz> why you think its wine problem?
[07:37] <oxigen> tanner_ his question is ok, i guess
[07:38] <tanner_> because its not a native linux application, we could spend hours troubleshooting an emulation problem
[07:38] <oxigen> how to prohibit any resolutions but 1024x768 to prevent mode switching?
[07:38] <oxigen> is linux q
[07:38] <lzzz> i set my desktop to 1024x768 and found it set to 1680x1050, do you think WINE setting desktop resolution?
[07:38] <lzzz> !
[07:38] <tanner_> no, you apparently just stated you set them :)
[07:39] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: is there a bug on launchpad regarding the problem in network manager ?
[07:39] <lzzz> so any idea how prohibit any resolutions but 1024x768 for xorg
[07:40] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/204931
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204931 in network-manager "NetworkManager 100% cpu usage on WiFi (dup-of: 204868)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204868 in hal "NM 0.6.6-0ubuntu2 segfaults w/ hal 0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu2 and b43 wireless driver" [Low,Confirmed]
[07:40] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: that's not my problem at all
[07:40] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Yeah, I know.
[07:40] <tanner_> lzzz: perhaps in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:40] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Thats not the only problem.
[07:41] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: no wonder reverting to old version of network manager did not help
[07:41] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: my problem is on a wired network
[07:41] <lzzz> tanner_:  good, what i should write to that file?
[07:42] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: Network manager has a couple bugs open right now.  It doesn't associate with SSIDs properly, it doesn't report connectivity properly, it crashes and it uses 100 CPU.
[07:44] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: What's yours doing?
[07:44] <tanner_> lzzz: good question, perhaps someone in #xorg would know XD
[07:45] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: keeps trying to connect, even after i get an IP address it is still trying to connect (only one green led is on, and that blue thing keeps rolling),
[07:46] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: even with old version of network manager it keeps doing so
[07:47] <ChaosParser> Are you able to browse when its doing that after you get the ip?
[07:47] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: yup
[07:48] <ChaosParser> AnAnt: So... your issue is that Network-manager's animation doesn't stop onces its connected.
[07:49] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: no, its not just that, it also tries to reconnect
[07:49] <AnAnt> ChaosParser: ie. after some time I will lose the IP address
[07:55] <tanner_> AnAnt: *could* be a driver issue
[07:57] <AnAnt> dunno
[07:57] <AnAnt> I updated stuff including hal, let me reboot & see
[07:58] <ChaosParser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/188766
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188766 in network-manager "nm-applet won't stop spinning for wired connection" [Low,Incomplete]
[07:58] <ChaosParser> i knew there was a bug for it.
[08:00] <tanner_> perhaps a dhcp issue inside networkmanager
[08:00] <ChaosParser> I wonder if the issue would occur if it was setup manually.
[08:03] <a7p> hi everyone. Does anyone have Miro 1.2 running under hardy?
[08:04] <ChaosParser> Not I, said the fly.
[08:07] <Smegzor> !clone
[08:07] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[08:07] <ChaosParser> Meh.  Or you could just use Remastersys.
[08:08] <ChaosParser> Which is 20million times more amazing.
[08:08] <ChaosParser> http://www.remastersys.klikit.org/
[08:09] <Smegzor> heh  it might be a bit late for me to use remastersys ^^
[08:11] <ChaosParser> Unfortunatey.
[08:13] <Smegzor> I need to recreate 4 user accounts (I upgraded while preserving my home partition).  Does it matter what order I recreate them in?
[08:14] <fromport> !automate
[08:14] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[08:15] <Smegzor> hmm..  so it doesn't matter then?  I'm about to recreate them now.
[08:16] <Smegzor> they already exist in my home partition of course.
[08:16] <tanner_> Smegzor: biggest problem i could think of could be a UID mismatch, no idea the ramifications however, probably nothing to be concerned about
[08:17] <Smegzor> only 1 user had anything installed and I highly doubt that program's going to care about that.
[08:17] <tanner_> as i said.. probably nothing to worry about
[08:17] <fromport> all files are stored with a userid, if you know the sequence how you made them in the old situation you might get them right here. otherwise you'll have to chown the directories again
[08:17] <Smegzor> Is there no way to find out what UID those accounts used previously?
[08:18] <fromport> if you have the /etc/passwd file from the oldsetup: yes
[08:18] <Smegzor> oh.  chowning is not too tricky.  cool.
[08:18] <Smegzor> yes I do
[08:18]  * tanner_ seconds fromport
[08:24]  * tanner_ does not enjoy spring break
[08:24]  * orvokki does not have a Spring break
[08:25] <hrlr> I have an encrypted swap and / under LVM.  And the show up on my desktop.  If there any way I can stop that from happening?
[08:25] <tanner_> orvokki: in class?
[08:26] <orvokki> tanner_: Actually I don't even know what you're talking about. :)
[08:26] <tanner_> orvokki: spring break, a time of no class between terms (college/university)
[08:26] <tanner_> (that happens to be in the spring..))
[08:41] <tanner_> bleh this is so boring =(
[08:42] <BlackEyes> hi at rus
[08:43] <BlackEyes> hi thekorn
[08:47] <deebo> so, release date estimates? (gonna redo my server) :P
[08:48] <zniavre> 28 april
[08:48] <deebo> mmh
[08:48] <deebo> does the "beta" turn into the final release seamlessly/effortlessly just by updating packages
[08:48] <bazhang> yes
[08:49] <deebo> well guess ill isntall the beta then when i get my hardware
[08:59] <cpk1> just curious, is the kernel in hardy going to have ath5k, anyone know?
[09:02] <tanner_> well, i suppose its time to go back to 32bit :(
[09:09] <pen> I have a question about dd
[09:09] <pen> I use live cd to use dd to copy the partition to another partition
[09:10] <pen> but I accidentally cancel the first one and I did it again
[09:10] <pen> now when I go to partition manager, the data is twice the size
[09:10] <pen> but I see no duplicates in the folders
[09:11] <pen> why?
[09:12] <DistroJockey> pen: it counting the mounted partition as well?
[09:12] <pen> DistroJockey: what do you mean?
[09:12] <pen> DistroJockey: I used it in live cd
[09:12] <pen> both are not mounted
[09:13] <pen> very strangly that in disk usage analyzer the size is correct
[09:13] <pen> but it's not in partition manager
[09:13] <DistroJockey> pen: I just thought that maybe the partition you copied may be also mounted in the destination
[09:14] <pen> they have different names
[09:14] <pen> like sdc1 or sda1
[09:14] <pen> I double checked it when I issue the command
[09:14] <DistroJockey> pen: On the system I am running now, I used gparted to copy the whole partition into an extended partition
[09:15] <pen> actually that's what I was doing
[09:15] <pen> but in reverse
[09:15] <pen> I used dd to copy the external to internal
[09:15] <pen> but I did it twice
[09:15] <pen> now the size is duplicated
[09:16] <DistroJockey> I tried to copy back after deleting the original and if wouldn't fit (was .1MB bigger :()
[09:16] <DistroJockey> or 1MB bigger
[09:16] <DistroJockey> not too sure there sorry
[09:16] <dns53> how about using the split command?
[09:17] <pen> how? and what does it do?
[09:17] <dns53> it can split a file into even parts
[09:18] <pen> well, I use dd twice and copy the files twice, how to split the ones I merged by dd?
[09:18] <dns53> well you have a big file that is twice the size it should be?
[09:18] <dns53> split -b 1/2 current size?
[09:19] <pen> kind of
[09:19] <pen> but I don't know which files shoudl I split
[09:20] <pen> and I should toss the junk off after split right?
[09:20] <DistroJockey> pen: You still have the original partion you copied?
[09:20] <DistroJockey> partition^
[09:21] <pen> DistroJockey: yes
[09:21] <pen> DistroJockey: dd won't delete the source partition would it?
[09:22] <dns53> not unless you tell it to
[09:22] <DistroJockey> pen: might be easier to use gparted to copy the partition rather than dd.
[09:22] <tanner_> erm, wth happened to the system manager :-\
[09:23] <DistroJockey> pen: copy it to free space in an extended partition is what worked best for me
[09:23] <pen> DistroJockey: how do you copy that?
[09:23] <pen> DistroJockey: and without messing up the permission and studd
[09:24] <pen> DistroJockey: because I'm copying the distro
[09:24] <pen> DistroJockey: my whole system
[09:24] <dns53> gparted can copy partitions, i think it will use dd internally
[09:25] <dns53> you could also just tar everything and extract in the new location
[09:25] <DistroJockey> pen: I successfully copied both Debian and Ubuntu into a free space in an extended partition using a live CD with gparted
[09:26] <DistroJockey> pen: the only issue I had was that after deleting the first partition and trying to copy it back, it was .1GB bigger
[09:29]  * tanner_ cant wait until quad core thinkpads
[09:30] <pen> DistroJockey: well
[09:30] <pen> DistroJockey: I still don't know how to copy the partition with gparted
[09:30] <DistroJockey> I the notebooks are anything like thier desktops tanner, I would get something else
[09:31] <tanner_> huh?
[09:31] <DistroJockey> pen: you will need to do it with a live cd (e.g. not the same system you are trying to copy) and the menu options should list Copy as an otion when you select a partition
[09:32] <pen> DistroJockey: I see
[09:32] <pen> DistroJockey: that's cool
[09:32] <pen> DistroJockey: thx for the tip :)
[09:32] <dns53> i prefer the gparted live cd myself
[09:32] <DistroJockey> pen: np, give it a go, I'' be here for a bit
[09:32] <pen> DistroJockey: k
[09:33] <DistroJockey> tanner, the IBM Thinkcentre's I see at work are crap
[09:34] <tanner_> thats nice, my Thinkpads are quite wonderful.
[09:34] <Smegzor> Every time I try to use sudo I get this..  sudo: unable to resolve host Beast   What can I do to fix it?
[09:35] <tanner_> Smegzor: is Beast your local machine?
[09:35] <DistroJockey> tanner, glad to hear
[09:35] <Smegzor> yeah
[09:35] <tanner_> Smegzor: add this line to /etc/hosts
[09:36] <tanner_> 127.0.0.1 <tab><tab>Beast
[09:36] <Smegzor> hmm!  I hope it lets me edit that :P
[09:36] <Smegzor> thanks
[09:36] <tanner_> thats a good point.. haha
[09:36] <Smegzor> i'll be able to from the live cd if necessary
[09:36] <tanner_> mmhmm
[09:38] <Smegzor> Its already there but its 127.0.1.1 Beast.Majellan
[09:38]  * tanner_ could actually forgo a quadcore laptop if he could build a super server, then he could have an ultraportable and the server to do all the hard work :)
[09:39] <tanner_> Smegzor: did you at any point specify Beast.Majellan?
[09:39] <Smegzor> when I did the install I called it Beast, when I set up the network I entered the workgroup there.
[09:40] <Smegzor> I've never joined them like that by hand
[09:40] <tanner_> interesting, i have no idea
[09:41] <Smegzor> I can enter my pass when ubuntu asks for it (to unlock things), but in console it gives the can't resolve error
[09:41] <tanner_> Smegzor: i wonder, will gksu gnome-terminal work?
[09:42] <DistroJockey> Smegzor: try:  127.0.1.1 Beast.Majellan Beast
[09:42] <DistroJockey> in hosts
[09:42] <Smegzor> that gksu command had a long think then did nothing
[09:42] <DistroJockey> or comment out 127.0.1.1 and just leave 127.0.01
[09:42] <Smegzor> ok
[09:43] <Smegzor> heh  can't save changes XD
[09:43] <DistroJockey> sudo :)
[09:43] <Smegzor> doesn't work :P
[09:43] <DistroJockey> ohh!?
[09:43] <Smegzor> sudo: unable to resolve host Beast
[09:43] <Smegzor> I get that
[09:44] <DistroJockey> ahh
[09:44] <Smegzor> time for the live cd fix of DOOM?
[09:44] <DistroJockey> or single user mode / recover mode
[09:44] <DistroJockey> but yeah, looks like it
[09:45] <Smegzor> um.. how do I get into that mode? is that one of the safe boot options?
[09:45] <DistroJockey> somewhere in grub
[09:46] <Smegzor> brb  rebooting and stuffage
[09:46] <DistroJockey> may need to put s or single on the end of the kernel line? (not sure)
[09:57] <loa> hello, can someone say what pcmcia card i can buy for my somsung notebook
[09:58] <spikeb> loa, http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html
[09:59] <loa> All cards will be best choice?
[09:59] <spikeb> yeah basically.
[10:25] <dbmood1> !dfd
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dfd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <tehknow> I am getting a "could not initiate dbus" error from update-manager when I try to upgrade to 8.04
[10:37] <tehknow> can someone help me?
[10:38] <tehknow> and when update-manager loads up it tells me I can only do a partial upgrade
[10:40] <lordleemo> how would you guys and girls recommend updating? should i  sudo update-manager -d  or another way ??
[10:40] <spikeb> that's how i did it
[10:41] <tehknow> I get a dbus error when I try that
[10:41] <tehknow> can someone help me?
[10:41] <lordleemo> spikeb: thanks my friend
[10:41] <tehknow> I asked in #ubuntu and they send me here
[10:41] <spikeb> tehknow, i seem to be the only one around so sorry
[10:42] <tehknow> ok
[10:46] <KenSentMe> My network and audio dont work anymore after an upgrade from gutsy to hardy. The intel wlan device is listed in lspci, but there is no interface connected to it. Anyone have an idea how to solve this?
[10:46] <waylandbill> I experienced a lockup after printing to a remote printer from firefox. Is there some log or anything helpful that would be of use for finding the cause?
[10:47] <Ng> tehknow: the dbus error and the partial upgrade error are very unlikely to be connected. the partial upgrade is more likely to be something is wrong with your package setup
[10:47] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: see if the kernel module is loaded.
[10:47] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, how do i do that?
[10:47] <Ng> tehknow: fire up synaptic, get it to reload the package lists and see if you have any gutsy updates waiting
[10:47] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: lsmod
[10:48] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, what should it be called?
[10:49] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: depends on your hardware.
[10:49] <Ng> KenSentMe: try ls|grep iw
[10:49] <Ng> I think most of the intel wireless drivers have "iw" in them
[10:49] <Ng> hmm, except the old onces are ipw. bah.
[10:49] <waylandbill> What's the device in lspci?
[10:51] <Ng> yeah that's probably a better option, lspci|grep Network
[10:51] <KenSentMe> lsmod|grep iw gave no results, in lspci the device is named 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Coorporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection _rev 02)
[10:52] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: I think it should be ipw3945
[10:53] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, that' s isnt in the lsmod list
[10:54] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: ok. attempt to modprobe it (assuming it's included with the kernel) 'sudo modprobe ipw3945'
[10:54] <scobby> i have a problem with the file dialog under gnome, it takes 5-8 seconds to open any open file dialog. anybody can help me?
[10:54] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, module not found
[10:55] <bicyclis1> Will there be HBCI support in the Hardy Heron version of Gnucash ? In the moment, hbci won't work
[10:55] <NET||abuse> Hey guys. i'm working on my laptop and i was hoping to experiment with the hardy heron beta virtual server facilities,, i've looked briefly at the xen docs, but is xen the best way to go with running virtualisation?
[10:56] <tehknow> Ng, will do, was AFK there sorry
[10:56] <Ng> NET||abuse: the easiest/quickest way is KVM
[10:57] <Ng> should work on the standard kernel and lets you run graphical OSes easily
[10:57] <NET||abuse> KVM ?
[10:57] <Ng> Kernel virtual machine, I think
[10:57] <Ng> it uses the VT extension in recent CPUs
[10:57] <NET||abuse> Ng, got any articles on it?
[10:57] <DistroJockey> thinking KVM also, maybe this will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684233
[10:58] <NET||abuse> Ng, well, my laptop is only a 2/3 year old celeron m 1.4Ghz
[10:58] <Ng> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is a little old perhaps
[10:58] <Ng> NET||abuse: then you may be better with xen, but I have no idea how xen does graphical OSes
[10:58] <NET||abuse> Ng, actually, i'm interested in non graphical os's
[10:58] <NET||abuse> Ng, i want to experiment with running database/ web server load balancing for starters
[10:59] <NET||abuse> also then want to test some unusual
[10:59] <NET||abuse> stuff
[10:59] <NET||abuse> hhe,, sorry
[10:59] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: if you do a 'locate ipw3945' does the kernel module exist?
[10:59] <NET||abuse> I really wanted to just get a start in learning how to run virtualized solutions for office servers also, linux and MS servers
[10:59] <Ng> NET||abuse: then xen is probably the way to go :)
[11:00] <Ng> pretty sure windows won't run in xen though
[11:00] <NET||abuse> really?
[11:00] <NET||abuse> oh dang,, that's a problem
[11:00] <tehknow> Ng its stuck downloading package info, some have failed others hit etc...
[11:00] <NET||abuse> i need to be able to run windows server 2008/2003
[11:01] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, have to run updatedb first, one sec
[11:01] <Ng> tehknow: sounds like that may be the problem. Perhaps change the repository preferences to use a different mirror?
[11:01] <DistroJockey> NET||abuse: I would say it would be better to run Windows Server on it's own box
[11:01] <tehknow> ok
[11:01] <Ng> NET||abuse: vmware server and player are free to use I think
[11:02] <NET||abuse>  hmm, I want to use what i will eventually use when i buy in the seriously high end servers, nice 8 core(2 quad core duo's) machines, and a san box
[11:03] <DistroJockey> NET||abuse: for one thing, MS won't support you if you VM it
[11:03] <NET||abuse> this is an idea to virtually host office servers for a managed office site
[11:03] <DistroJockey> NET||abuse: well, I'm pretty sure they won't
[11:03] <NET||abuse> maybe unless you use windows server 2008 and their new hypervisor module
[11:04] <NET||abuse> dang,, i really want to run a mix of servers off the same system,
[11:04] <Ng> who uses microsoft support anyway?
[11:04] <NET||abuse> Ng, heh, that's a point..
[11:04] <NET||abuse> Ng, if you get support it's always through an agent
[11:05] <DistroJockey> NET||abuse: Virtual PC doesn't like Linux much and I'm sure Windows Server wouldn't like being in a VM
[11:05] <Ng> DistroJockey: lots of people run windows server in vmware
[11:05] <waylandbill> don't know if 2008 is like Vista, but running in a VM may require another license as it is considered another machine. Guess it depends on the EULA.
[11:05] <DistroJockey> Ng: Well?
[11:06] <NET||abuse> waylandbill, but 2003 and xp don't require more licences for more instances on the same hardware?
[11:06] <orvokki> waylandbill: Heh, luckily EULA's here are considered legally invalid...
[11:06] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, there seems to be a module for ipw3945, but i googled some and it seems like iwlwifi and iwl3945 should work too. However, modprobe ipw3945 doesnt work
[11:06] <tehknow> ng http://tinyurl.com/396wa3 all of them are ie
[11:07] <tehknow> what should I change them to?
[11:07] <orvokki> waylandbill: That is, EULA would need to be on package exterior and readable before buying the product to be valid.
[11:07] <orvokki> So sayeth lawyers here.
[11:08] <waylandbill> orvokki: that would be the smallest fine print I've ever seen.
[11:08] <dns53> i have heard that a eula has never been tested in court
[11:09] <orvokki> waylandbill: Well, I rather meant that since it's impossible to read the EULA without buying the product, you're not bound by the EULA. It wasn't part of the original contract.
[11:09] <waylandbill> orvokki: if you go to a box store and buy a copy, it does say on the outside of the package that you argee to the EULA when you open the box, but not what the EULA says.
[11:09] <orvokki> Then it's not valid.
[11:09] <waylandbill> I wouldn
[11:09] <DistroJockey> It is an End User agreement, what if it's installed by on OEM?
[11:09] <waylandbill> I wouldn't agree to it anyway. :)
[11:09] <orvokki> The EULA would be illegal here.
[11:09] <orvokki> And you don't need to follow it.
[11:10] <Ng> tehknow: my recommendations would be to ditch backports and ppa sources, then change the rest to plain archive.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[11:11] <tehknow> ng ok, thanks
[11:12] <MilhousePunkRock> I just upgraded my Kubuntu laptop from Gutsy to Hardy Beta... Now my wireless card (Atheros AR5212) does not work anymore...
[11:12] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: I'm not sure what you need to do, but the answer lies in getting a kernel module loaded. You could try loading one of the other modules you mentioned
[11:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Basically ath0 has disappeared, the restricted driver manager says there are no restricted drivers in use...
[11:13] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, the other modules dont load either, same as ipw3945
[11:13] <waylandbill> MilhousePunkRock: it seems like this is going around. I imagine the kernel module isn't loaded for your wireless.
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> waylandbill: That's very likely... I remember madwifi being part of linux-restricted-modules in Gutsy...
[11:15] <rpedro> hey, has anyone noticed bad performance compared to gutsy, when doing cpu intensive stuff, like installing updates?
[11:15] <waylandbill> I knew mine was bcm43xx, but after upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy, it was no longer in restricted drivers, so I added to /etc/modules manually.
[11:16] <rpedro> like when playing music, it skips and the buttons on the taskbar take a while to highlight, and apps just feel slow...
[11:16] <lopov> hey guys, anyone having issues with the nvidia driver?? the drivers working but for some reason its using different drivers for direct rendering and it uses the display :1... any ideas??
[11:17] <yid> lots of bugs to report
[11:17] <yid> anyone on worth reporting to?
[11:17] <rpedro> it was just fine in gutsy, everything was snappy before
[11:18] <yid> yeah everything is a bit laggy
[11:18] <spikeb> reporting bugs on launchpad is pretty easy
[11:18] <waylandbill> rpedro: you could use 'top' or an equivalent to see if one of the apps is out of hand
[11:18] <yid> all my gnome apps crashed when i tried to load a youtube vid
[11:18] <dns53> it always seems that they recompile more optomised packages closer to release
[11:18] <yid> lets hope so
[11:19] <dns53> crashbugs are not recorded in the same way after release so that would be slowing things down
[11:20] <rpedro> waylandbill: hmm, your right! :P a bug in gimmie after I removed it from the panel made my pc work all night, it's up 7.00 load average! :-o  time to report a bug I guess
[11:21] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: hmm.. none load... do they match the running kernel? probably 2.6.22-14-generic
[11:23] <tehknow> Ng, got all that working, tis updating now. 1244 files to download in just over an hour, cheers ;)
[11:23] <KenSentMe> waylandbill, could it be that the restricted modules package isnt installed, because i have the 24-12 kernel running (according to uname -r), but the modules arent listed in that kernel
[11:25] <Ng> tehknow: cool :)
[11:26] <clarezoe> anyone has problem of installing texlive in hardy?
[11:32] <KRF> clarezoe, none her
[11:32] <KRF> clarezoe, none here
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: Looks like it...
[11:34] <jussi01> clarezoe: it would help if you told us what issue you had with installingit
[11:34] <KenSentMe> MilhousePunkRock, yeah, i have to wait until i find a wired connection to test it, but that might do the trick
[11:34] <waylandbill> KenSentMe: could be. I have the restricted modules installed.
[11:35] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: I just booted into the Gutsy kernel, hoping I can install l-r-m for 2.6.24 this way
[11:36] <KenSentMe> MilhousePunkRock, i dont think the gutsy kernel is still available in grub, is there another way to boot it?
[11:36] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: It is stll there on my laptop, and it comes with the modules, wireless works just fine here now...
[11:38] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: A dirty workaround would be to aquire the deb package some way (another machine, live CD)... I am lucky that the .22 kernel is still there...
[11:38] <waylandbill> I don't see the Gutsy kernel in /boot. Only 2.6.22 which is running. Unless it's 2.6.24.
[11:39] <MilhousePunkRock> waylandbill: Isn't .22 the Gutsy kernel?
[11:39] <MilhousePunkRock> uname -r
[11:39] <MilhousePunkRock> 2.6.22-14-generic
[11:39] <MilhousePunkRock> On the Gutsy machine I am on typing this...
[11:40] <Ng> yes, gutsy is 2.6.22, hardy is 2.6.24
[11:40] <KenSentMe> Booting 2.6.22 now
[11:41] <waylandbill> My uname shows 2.6.22-14.
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: l-r-m for that should still be there and your wifi will probably work... Wireless joy in Hardy is just a "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-generic" away...
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> KenSentMe: I might be wrong with the actual package name, but you get the point...
[11:42] <KenSentMe> MilhousePunkRock, well, my wlan seems to work in the gutsy kernel, but it wont connect to any network
[11:42] <waylandbill> Does this mean I am running the wrong kernel?
[11:43] <asad786> hi
[11:43] <waylandbill> Looking at my menu.lst, it shows 7.10. Hmmm.
[11:43] <MilhousePunkRock> waylandbill: You are running the Gutsy kernel... Ng is right about the versioning...
[11:44] <dmacnutt> how to add *.asc keys for package verification?
[11:44] <asad786> hey, im very new to using ubuntu 7.10 and i can connect to my wireless network when it is not encryted but when it is encryted i cannot connect with the wep key
[11:45] <waylandbill> I bet it is because I changed it manually to remove quiet and splash. I bet it asked and I selected the wrong option... easy enough... just will make a new entry
[11:45] <waylandbill> probably explains why my wifi wasn't in the hardware drivers maybe.
[11:45] <MilhousePunkRock> asad786: This is the channel for 8.04, you might get better assistance in #ubuntu (without the +1). Besides, using wep encryption is almost like using no encryption
[11:46] <asad786> ok thx milhouse for your help
[11:48] <waylandbill> alrighty... let see how this works..
[11:51] <clarezoe> jussi01, I install texlive from synatic and said some dependency errors, and then I tried to install it from the CD mirror, not I missed them up all the settings
[11:52] <clarezoe> jussi01, could you tell me how to uninstall it completely and then I can try to install it again to see if any problems
[11:53] <jussi01> clarezoe: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[11:55] <clarezoe> thanks, jussi01, I also installed it from the iso cd mirror, can I just remove the folders to purge all texlive settings?
[11:56] <Ng> asad786: how are you trying to connect? with the network list applet on the panel?
[11:57] <asad786> Ng, yes
[11:58] <vivek3> the upgrade is asking me what i want to do with my smb.conf file, what should i do?
[11:58] <vivek3> upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04
[11:58] <Ng> vivek3: have you previously customised samba/filesharing?
[11:58] <Ng> asad786: does it just keep asking for the password? or does it connect and then fail to work?
[11:58] <vivek3> i dont think so
[11:59] <asad786> it keeps asking for the password
[11:59] <Ng> vivek3: then it's probably best to ask it to replace the one you have now with the new version
[12:00] <vivek3> that means "install the package maintainer's version"
[12:00] <vivek3> thanksw :)
[12:00] <Ng> vivek3: yes
[12:00] <Ng> asad786: could you run "gedit /var/log/syslog", then go Edit->SelectAll, Edit->Copy and paste it into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ please?
[12:01] <asad786> i will do that now
[12:04] <asad786> Ng, i have done that
[12:04] <vivek3>   /etc/ntp.conf, how aobut that file?? should i replace it??
[12:09] <Ng> asad786: hmm, strange log. do you have multiple APs with the same ESSID?
[12:10] <asad786> Ng, my set up is that i have 2 routers i can not connect to either one when it is wep enabled therefore i disabled one to test if i could connect and it worked fine
[12:11] <W8TAH> Good morning everyone
[12:11] <vivek3> good evening :D
[12:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  it's Ng
[12:13] <Hobbsee> what's broken?  :P
[12:14] <vivek3> yay!! finally its done, its upgraded to 8.04!! :D
[12:14] <Ng> asad786: I'm wondering if it's because it's hopping between them during the negotiation
[12:14]  * orvokki grumbles
[12:14] <Ng> Hobbsee: ;p
[12:14] <dandel> gcc is missing the sse3 headers.
[12:14] <spiderfire> during update my screensaver kicked in... while i was using the computer and it asked for my password
[12:15] <asad786> Ng, shall i turn one off and try connecting wirelessly to the other 1
[12:15] <dandel> namely, tmmintrin.h
[12:15] <Ng> asad786: yeah
[12:15] <asad786> ok ill brb
[12:18] <asad786> is there a way to refresh to see new wireless networks available
[12:18] <asad786> is there a way to refresh to see new wireless networks available
[12:18] <TheInfinity> asad786: wayting a few secs :p
[12:19] <asad786> thx theInfinity
[12:19] <TheInfinity> *waitingg
[12:19] <TheInfinity> uh.
[12:22] <waylandbill> looks like wireless with new b43 module starts the wireless card but can't connect to any networks. Gutsy kernel for now.
[12:23] <rexy_> asad786, network manager refreshes after awhile
[12:24] <Ng> hey vlowther
[12:25] <Ng> vlowther: you may have noticed that there's a new pm-utils on the way with a couple of your fixes in :)
[12:26] <asad_> Ng, i still can not connect afetr a while it keeps asking for the password again
[12:26] <asad_> and currently i am using the wired connection
[12:27] <asad_> Ng, i still can not connect afetr a while it keeps asking for the password again
[12:27] <asad_> and currently i am using the wired connection
[12:27] <Ng> asad_: that's very strange. I'm wondering if it's worth configuring the wireless bit manually
[12:28] <asad_> Ng, do you think it would make a differecne if i changed the encryption type eg WPA
[12:29] <Ng> asad_: only if the network is actually WPA
[12:29] <Ng> asad_: for what it's worth, WEP is pretty much useless, so if you can make the access points do WPA, I would do so, or just turn WEP off
[12:29] <Ng> you can crack WEP keys in under a minute ;)
[12:31] <TheInfinity> Ng: but several windows user cant do this
[12:31] <asad_> Ng, so you suggest i change to WPA, shall i do that now and then try connecting, however when it asks for the key i do not think there is a WPA option
[12:31] <TheInfinity> so its better to have wep instead of nothing
[12:31] <TheInfinity> but wpa is much better, of course
[12:31] <Ng> asad_: network manager should detect which type it is and offer that type
[12:32] <asad_> ohh ok thx
[12:32] <asad_> let me try that now
[12:34] <asad_> Ng, which one should i use WPA-PSK or WPA-802.1x
[12:34] <Ng> PSK
[12:36] <rexy_> TheInfinity, well, what class of users has the knowledge to snoop your traffic, but cant crack your ap?
[12:37] <yann2> hello!
[12:37] <yann2> I am looking for Ubuntu 8.04 beta server.. has there been a release?
[12:37] <rexy_> look at the topic
[12:39] <jpatrick> yann2: here it is: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[12:39] <yann2> well I know it is beta, but I really want to install it anyway... Can't find any release for servers there: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta  .. or is the normal  Ubuntu CD doing the server install as well now?
[12:40] <yann2> ah thank you very much :)
[12:40] <rexy_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta -> releases -> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[12:40] <DistroJockey> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[12:40] <DistroJockey> Australia though :)
[12:41] <yann2> It's for my new monitoring server which should be on air next month, so beta should be fine :)
[12:42] <DistroJockey> the beta is pretty stable
[12:42] <vivek3> i just upgraded to hardy, but the sound isnt working
[12:43] <DistroJockey> vivek3: I've heard that a bit, there is probably a bug report (with a posible workaround)
[12:44] <vivek3> DistroJockey: so how do i solve it??? :)
[12:44] <DistroJockey> vivek3: no idea sorry
[12:45] <DistroJockey> vivek3: probably due to Pulse Audio being introduced
[12:45] <vivek3> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[12:46] <vivek3> thats what it says
[12:47] <DistroJockey> vivek3:  only thing I can think of is changing the backend back to ALSA (but that's a wild guess)
[12:47] <vivek3> worth a shot i guess, so how do i do that?
[12:48] <DistroJockey> vivek3: I'm sure google or the bug database is more help than me atm. Sorry
[12:48] <vivek3> okay thanks anyway, will google :)
[12:48] <DistroJockey> good luck
[12:49] <vivek3> thanks :D
[12:50] <DistroJockey> 19 hrs IT support is enough for me today, I'm out :)
[12:54] <Ng> vivek3: which kernel are you using?
[12:54] <Ng> if it's generic, make sure you have "linux-generic" installed
[12:55] <_Angelus_> guyz
[12:55] <vivek3> Ng: i dont know, just booted, is there a way to check?
[12:55] <Ng> vivek3: uname -a
[12:55] <_Angelus_> what is the third option in Desktop Effects?
[12:55] <_Angelus_> can it read from ccsm?
[12:55] <vivek3>  2.6.24-12-386 that one :)
[12:56] <Ng> vivek3: interesting. are you deliberately using the 386 one?
[12:56] <_Angelus_> ?!
[12:56] <vivek3> no, its just using the default one i think
[12:56] <Ng> _Angelus_: I used to get a 4th entry called Custom which linked to ccsm, but that doesn't seem to appear anymore, my ccsm customised settings don't cause any of the three Desktop Effects options to get selected
[12:57] <Ng> vivek3: -generic should be the default. My suggestion would be to apt-get install linux-generic and reboot into that kernel and see if everything still works
[12:57] <_Angelus_> so extra effects will not read from ccsm?
[12:58] <Ng> _Angelus_: they will, the changes I've made in ccsm work just fine
[12:58] <Ng> the Desktop Effects UI just doesn't know how to express that I have them on
[12:59] <_Angelus_> oh
[12:59] <vivek3> okay ill brb then thanks ng :)
[12:59] <asad__> Ng, thx alot for your help and any one else that helped
[12:59] <Ng> _Angelus_: I'll check with the desktop team in a bit and find out if that is deliberate. it seems rather odd to me
[12:59] <asad__> problem resolved
[13:00] <Ng> asad__: awesome :)
[13:00] <_Angelus_> Ng, i think its cause the Desktop Effects UI doesnt use the compiz windows manager because its not even installed, it just uses parts of compiz to make some effects
[13:00] <Ng> _Angelus_: indeed, but if ccsm is installed it used to have a 4th option, Custom
[13:00] <_Angelus_> i see
[13:01] <_Angelus_> well want i want is shadows
[13:01] <_Angelus_> i have shadows in kmenu and kicker
[13:01] <_Angelus_> but on normal windows, no shadows
[13:02] <_Angelus_> but i think to have shadows in windows, i must use the emerald window manager
[13:02] <_Angelus_> not normal kde window manager
[13:03] <_Angelus_> Adys,  are you being flooded ? :o
[13:08] <poseidon> When I go to play 3d chess it says no Python GTKGLExt support.  How do I get this?
[13:10] <rexy_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427997 ?
[13:11] <rexy_> poseidon,
[13:16] <DanaG> I've been having quite severe login delays, where not even my window manager will load for a long time.
[13:18] <Hobbsee> DanaG: welcome to compiz
[13:19] <W8TAH> what is the appropriate wireless software to use with a broadcom 43xx card and heron?
[13:22] <Ng> W8TAH: if it's not supported by the linux drivers then you may need to use ndiswrapper
[13:23] <waylandbill> W8TAH: I haven't been able to get the b43 driver to find any networks
[13:23] <W8TAH> ok
[13:23] <waylandbill> but it's the one that is supposed to be used.
[13:23] <W8TAH> thanks -- i'll fiddle with it some
[13:23] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[13:24] <ulisse> are your monitors going to sleep, sometimes? mine stopped with Hardy...
[13:24] <ulisse> I get just a blank screen, but in never turns off
[13:24] <_Angelus_> mine sleeps
[13:25] <waylandbill> W8TAH: bcm43xx that was used in gutsy is becoming legacy.
[13:25] <W8TAH> i wish mine would quit - -its highly annoying to have it keep turning off when i need to see it
[13:25] <W8TAH> ok
[13:26] <rexy_> W8TAH, power-manager plays with the screen as well
[13:26] <W8TAH> ahhh -- ok
[13:26] <W8TAH> bbias - -reboot
[13:28] <RainCT> Hi
[13:28] <RainCT> Somehow my desktop messed up badly yesterday (it doens't show  anything in my home nor in the desktop, but it shows the  stuff inside the trash instead :S)... Any idea how to fix it?
[13:31] <lopov> hallo
[13:31] <RainCT> hi
[13:31] <lopov> is anyone having nvidia issues with xserver defaulting to display 1.0?
[13:32] <lopov> its killing me lol, ive spent hours just re-installing drivers and playing around with xorg.conf
[13:33] <lopov> it seems like im the only one with the prob :(
[13:33] <lopov> ive searched and searched but nothing
[13:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lopov, what prob?
[13:33] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[13:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> morning Aquahallic
[13:33] <Aquahallic> I've run into the 386 kernel problem
[13:34] <lopov> [Hardy]TuTUXG: with my xserver, it defaults to display 1
[13:34] <Aquahallic> I've found some docs out there about runnin' an initramfs command
[13:34] <bicyclist> Will Gnucash with hbci be in the hard repos ?
[13:34] <Aquahallic> can I do that right at the busybox prompt?
[13:34] <Aquahallic> cause I can't boot into any kernel at this point
[13:38] <W8TAH> its pretty obvious that heron is using compiz or something similar -- where is the control panel for it?
[13:39] <Ng> W8TAH: by default there's just three options in System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual Effects, but if you install simple-ccsm you can customise compiz some more
[13:39]  * lopov notes to self to remove xserver-xgl
[13:39] <W8TAH> thanks ng
[13:39] <Aquahallic> anyone else seen this "busybox prompt" issue with hard upgrade??
[13:40] <W8TAH> if any of the devs are around -- heron looks great -- only problem im hitting so far is the broadcom driver and i havent messed with that enough yet to call it a problem
[13:40] <komputes> whats with the <tab> not being able to autocomplete - bug #207106 reported
[13:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207106 in ubuntu "[Hardy] gnome-terminal - Tab not auto-completing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207106
[13:41] <Ng> komputes: I think the bash programmable autocompletion may have been turned off, but apt-get at least should still have completed
[13:42] <komputes> Ng: I wish it would but nope, have you tried it on your end?
[13:42] <jamalf> What's scrollkeeper-up?
[13:42] <jamalf> It was making my computer almost unusable :(
[13:42] <RainCT> komputes: afaik some of bash's autocompletion has been moved to a separate package which isn't installed by default
[13:42] <Ng> RainCT: oh yeah, good point, it's bash-completion
[13:42] <W8TAH> dang -- wow
[13:42] <komputes> RainCT: why would they go and do something like that and what is the package name?
[13:42] <komputes> bash-completion?
[13:43] <Ng> I think it's changed from a depends to a recommends
[13:43] <RainCT> yes
[13:43] <RainCT> If I remember right the rationale for that was that bash-completion has no active upstream and that Ubuntu was the only distribution including it in the main bash package or something like that
[13:44] <RainCT> :P
[13:44] <komputes> They shouldn't have changed, that, xorg and the new VNC client, jeez, 30 days left to make all this work together
[13:44] <RainCT> W8TAH: you can also install compizconfig-settings-manager for advanced configuration of all individual plugins
[13:45] <W8TAH> that was my next question :)
[13:45] <W8TAH> thanks
[13:45] <RainCT> you're welcome :)
[13:51] <Ng> RainCT: the interesting thing is how it happened.. was this previously in bash and has been split out into a Recommends? or was it a depends previously?
[13:52] <RainCT> Ng: it was in bash
[13:52] <RainCT> and now it's a recommends as main packages can't depend on universe packages
[13:53] <JediMaster> hey guys, is there a cd label for heron yet? Just wanted to print an 8.04 label on the beta disc
[13:53] <Ng> ok, so that explains why it disappears :)
[13:56] <joakim-> has there been any big problems reported upgrading to 8.04 from 7.10? bigger than usual that is
[13:57] <joakim-> JediMaster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/DVD_Cover_(Fela_Kuti_Chocolate)
[13:58] <joakim-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734187
[13:58] <joakim-> google is your friend
[13:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joakim-, somebody's sound card has problem under hardy afaik
[13:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joakim-, mine is alright tho, not perfect, but good enough
[14:00] <joakim-> any specific chipset?
[14:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no idea ;P
[14:00] <joakim-> alright
[14:01] <JediMaster> joakim-: tried google, only came up with the ubuntu marketing wiki page with the 7.04 and older stuff
[14:01] <JediMaster> joakim-: but thanks =)
[14:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya, pulseaudio is the only thing bugs ppl
[14:02] <JediMaster> joakim-: that page doesn't exist
[14:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> other than flash and java
[14:02] <JediMaster> but got the one on the forum, ta
[14:09]  * JediMaster prints a hardy heron cd label on to his freshly burnt beta cd =)
[14:11] <JediMaster> I'd just like to thank all the developers for all their hard work on heron, it's working like a charm, no instalation problems at all, was quite suprised as it was on a pretty new nvidia motherboard and everything just worked out of the box =)
[14:16] <nubbe> I had trouble with switching back to original user in gutsy(gnome froze but consoles alive and well) when running compiz, no problem without the bling. Is that probably fixed in heron?
[14:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, should be
[14:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, if it's a know bug, check the bug report first on launchpad
[14:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> known*
[14:18] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yeah, never had much luck there, but that's good advice, maybe
[14:30] <dmacnutt> upgraded to 8.04 and now nautilus refuses to start
[14:33] <nubbe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/78470
[14:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78470 in gdm "switching to current logged in user freezes gdm" [Undecided,New]
[14:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dmacnutt, try to run it from a terminal and see what error it gives u
[14:34] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, is that still unfixed?
[14:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, that's a bug on feisty...
[14:35] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, oki
[14:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, i dont think u need to worry about ti
[14:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it*
[14:40] <Teuflehunden> If I install the beta now, will I be able to seamlessly upgrade when the final release comes out?  Or will I have to do a complete install?
[14:40] <Leerok> Seamless upgrade.
[14:40] <Leerok> sudo apt-get update
[14:40] <Leerok> sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:41] <Teuflehunden> Great, thanks :)
[14:41] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, I hope so :)
[14:41] <numus> anyone have any experience with emerald and hardy?
[14:41] <Leerok> Get Compiz fusion.
[14:41] <Leerok> I think it's the same thing.
[14:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, it's an old gdm bug, and it's already fixed by gnome dev
[14:42] <tehknow> can someone help me with my firefox install. I am stuck on 3b2 and I can't upgrade to 3b4, and flash isn't working
[14:42] <Leerok> Emerald is related to Beryl, if I'm not mistaken?
[14:42] <tehknow> I just upgraded to 8.04
[14:42] <numus> leerok it is a windows decorator but it doesn't seem to really work anymore
[14:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Leerok, beryl was a fork of compiz
[14:42] <Leerok> Ah, I didn't know that.
[14:42] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, how did u find that out?
[14:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, there was a related gnome bug
[14:43] <tehknow> anyone?
[14:44] <anaoum> were can i download the latest snapshot iso of hardy?
[14:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> tehknow, the update manager is not working?
[14:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !daily
[14:44] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[14:44] <tehknow> the one in firefox itself?
[14:44] <DanaG> Yay, bzr NetworkManager fixes hidden-SSID issues.
[14:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> tehknow, no..
[14:44] <tehknow> well it lists no update
[14:44] <tehknow> in update-manager
[14:45] <anaoum> is there anything ubotu doesnt know!
[14:46] <anaoum> !ubotu
[14:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[14:46] <tehknow> [Hardy]TuTUXG, I did a custom install of 3b2 over firefox 2 back in gutsy
[14:46] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG, where?, how ?  link? please?
[14:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nubbe, on the page u gave me
[14:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i closed it already :(
[14:47] <tehknow> [Hardy]TuTUXG, any ideas?
[14:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k guys g2g
[14:47] <nubbe> [Hardy]TuTUXG,  gnome-bugs #376315?
[14:47] <DanaG> !myself
[14:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:48] <anaoum> !debian
[14:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[14:49] <h3sp4wn> Network Manager still randomly messing up for anyone else ?
[14:49] <edgy> hi, when I connect my laptop with nvidia card to an external memory, there used to be a clone option to make both screens work, now in hardy the option is no longer available
[14:49] <h3sp4wn> external monitor ?
[14:49] <h3sp4wn> tried nvidia-settings ?
[14:49] <anaoum> this bug must be fixed! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204908
[14:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204908 in libgweather "World clock applet lacks country Iraq" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:50] <anaoum> i dont get how they could just miss a country in the world time applet
[14:50] <anaoum> its a pretty big insult to all Iraqis
[14:50] <h3sp4wn> Do you think you could fix it ?
[14:50] <h3sp4wn> have a look
[14:50] <anaoum> probably
[14:51] <anaoum> where do i get source for packages
[14:51] <anaoum> i dont think ive ever tried
[14:51] <h3sp4wn> apt-get source
[14:52] <h3sp4wn> grep around until you find what you need to change - make a backup of the unchanged file
[14:52] <h3sp4wn> diff -Naur source/file.orig source/file > foo.patch
[14:52] <h3sp4wn> attach the patch then hopefully someone should fix it
[14:53] <DanaG> argh, load cycling again, after suspend.
[14:53] <anaoum> when i apt-get source, where does the source download to?
[14:53] <rexy_> read
[14:53] <h3sp4wn> current directory
[14:53] <rexy_> downloads to current directory
[14:53] <anaoum> thanks
[14:53] <DanaG> make a new directory and 'cd' there for safety, or you can end up with unintended files inside the deb.
[14:56] <h3sp4wn> Maybe whatever the internationalisation teams room is can help
[14:57] <anaoum> so theres just an XML file with all the locations
[14:57] <numus> anyone use hamachi with hardy and experience a problem of it installing but not running?
[14:57] <DanaG> Hmm, I seem to remember hearing that the hamachi binary was compressed with 'upx'
[14:58] <numus> DanaG ya it isnt running.. installed fine
[14:58] <DanaG> install upx (package) and then sudo upx -d `which hamachi`
[14:59] <rexy_> thought upx packed stuff was self extracting?
[14:59] <numus> DanaG thank you.. that worked perfect
[15:00] <anaoum> arghhh too much to translate
[15:00] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder if there's a 'factoid' about hamachi...
[15:00] <DanaG> !hamachi
[15:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hamachi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:00] <DanaG> That'd be something useful to add -- a note about upx, and a link to a how-to.
[15:01] <numus> DanaG it would be useful because hamachi is a very useful VPN since it crosses platforms very easily actually... and then wine with radmin works great
[15:01] <numus> now how to install a network printer via hamachi to my home network
[15:02] <numus> ok that was actually suprisingly easy
[15:02] <DanaG> Hmm, I think Avahi works over Hamachi.
[15:03] <numus> DanaG the samba setup works very well i think
[15:03] <numus> now any idea how to edit login and logoff theme in hardy.. emerald USE to do it
[15:04] <numus> !wubi
[15:04] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[15:04] <numus> if anyone has a problem with wubi 8.04 giving a migration error just exit out and run through terminal ubiquity --automatic .. that is how i did it
[15:06] <evand> numus: if you're speaking of the migrate documents and setting page showing up, it's a known issue that I hope to have fixed soon.
[15:07] <numus> evand ahh you are the one who ago refered me to... ya that is the one.. i ran ubiquity --automatic in terminal and it ran the installation fine.. i posted my log files from the error on the ubuntuforums if you want them
[15:08] <savvas> does anyone know how to disable the link between ftp "connect to server" and firefox?
[15:10] <evand> numus: thanks
[15:10] <savvas> "There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location."
[15:11] <numus> evand great product though.. love the ability to not have to partition off my small drive just incase...
[15:12] <numus> When i attempt to log into my windows xp server through the network workgroup it asks me for a username and password and domain.. and wont let me load any files.. i dont have a username or password setup on teh file share on my server...
[15:21] <levander> Has anyone played with opensync under Hardy?  I've been dying to be able to sync my contacts on my RAZR with Ubuntu...
[15:22] <Ng> levander; I used it briefly to sync my n95 with evolution
[15:22] <Ng> it did contacts ok, but duplicated all my calendar entries, so I stopped
[15:22] <levander> Yeah, I think the opensync project is really into nokia phones for some reason.
[15:22] <FliesLikeABrick_>  does anyone here have an ASUS Eee and an external CD-ROM drive?  I have found a few bugs in ubuntu+1 that I want to test out with someone.  Highlight or PM me if you have said hardware and are willing to test something
[15:22] <Ng> opensync is definitely not ready for primetime yet
[15:23] <bazhang> FliesLikeABrick_: they have a channel and a wiki you know?
[15:23] <levander> bleh, story of my life with Linux it seems
[15:23] <bicyclist> I am using multisync to sync my sony ericsson W610 with evolution and evolution with google Calendar
[15:23] <bicyclist> works very well.
[15:23] <FliesLikeABrick_> bazhang this isn't about the Eee as much as it is about confirming a bug in Hardy
[15:23] <bicyclist> Haven't tried opensync yet.
[15:24] <bazhang> FliesLikeABrick_: the likelihood of finding someone with a eeepc *and* willing to try something on their machine are much higher there imo
[15:24] <FliesLikeABrick_> I just know that I encountered the bug on an Eee while booting the installer CD, and I want to have someone else try and track it down to take a step towards finding the cause
[15:24] <levander> bicyclist: I'm googling multisync now to see if it works with RAZR's.
[15:24] <FliesLikeABrick_> fair enough
[15:24] <FliesLikeABrick_> bazhang what channel might you be talking about?
[15:25] <bazhang> #eeepc and www.eeeuser.com with a link to the wiki
[15:25] <bicyclist> Well with multisync it just worked great, only had to choose IrMC and then let the plugin search for my mobile phone.
[15:25] <bicyclist> But a colleague of mine still is dreaming of syncing windows mobile 6 with evolution.
[15:25] <FliesLikeABrick_> yeah I know about the site(s), just wasn't sure of the channel
[15:25] <FliesLikeABrick_> thanks bazhang
[15:25] <bazhang> no worries ;]
[15:25] <numus> ok i disabled the system beep.. but when i restarted x with ctrl-alt-backspace it beeped.. any idea?
[15:27] <FliesLikeABrick_> numus scrolling up really quickly I don't see any other discussion about this, so maybe I'm missing something, but is your sound card correctly configured?
[15:28] <numus> flieslikeabrick yes i had asked how to disable it.. i went to sound and disabled system beep.. but it still beeps when i reset X
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> but does your sound card work normally, e.g. can you hear music/video audio tracks when you play it?
[15:29] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ yes wheni have the sound turned on.. now i have it all the way down and muted
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok
[15:29] <levander> bicyclist: Is it only Evolution that multisync supports on the desktop?  I'd rather use mozilla software...
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> does the system beep only occur when you have it all the way down/muted?
[15:29] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ it only occurs when i restart x
[15:30] <bicyclist> Well multisync has the ximian evolution plugin.
[15:30] <FliesLikeABrick_> right, that's not what I'm asking
[15:30] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ no it beeps when the sound is turned on too.. only when x restarts
[15:30] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok
[15:31] <joakim`> just upgraded to hardy, everything seems to be working perfect!
[15:31] <rexy_> hmm my hardy install still holds some packages back, why does it do that?
[15:31] <FliesLikeABrick_> numus  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy/TipsAndTricks#How_to_force_GDM_to_system_beep_when_login_screen_ready
[15:31] <FliesLikeABrick_> do the opposite of what that says, it tells you where to find the setting for that
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> System -> Administration -> Login Window -> Accessibility
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> check the settings in there
[15:32] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ thank you
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> it sounds like your login window might be configured to play a sound that doesn't exist
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> so it system beeps instead
[15:32] <numus> yup that sound was checked flieslikeabrick_
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> because what those instructions are doing to make it system beep is having someone point that setting to a non-existent sound
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> let me open mine up and see what it should actually be set to
[15:33] <numus> lol i just unchecked it
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok, or that
[15:33] <J-_> How can I restart cups?
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> er
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[15:34] <J-_> thanks
[15:34] <J-_> I tried cups, and cupsd =P
[15:35] <rexy_> hmm the update of hal fails because it cant find /var/run/hal, shouldnt that be hald?
[15:35] <evand> numus: thanks, though most of the credit goes to Ago :)
[15:35] <omar> Guys I've been using the radio screenlet for a while, but I'm wondering why 9
[15:35] <numus> evand i know... it still is an great concept.. runing a ext3 mount ontop of an ntfs drive
[15:35] <omar> Guys I've been using the radio screenlet for a while, but I'm wondering why almost none the radio stations work, except for a couple of them... ?
[15:36] <omar> none *of* the radio stations work
[15:38] <komputes> what are the packages needed for tsclient to connect to XDMCP and ICA?
[15:38] <evand> numus: indeed, I'm very excited for its 8.04 release.  I think it's going to seriously lower the bar to adoption and bring a lot of new users to Ubuntu.
[15:39] <numus> evand i use it because i only have an 80 gig harddrive on my vista laptop.. cant afford to partition it
[15:40] <edgy> hi, when I connect my laptop with nvidia card to an external memory, there used to be a clone option to make both screens work, now in hardy the option is no longer available, any hint?
[15:41] <numus> anyone know why when it tries t omount my windows network.. it requires a password and username although the server has none
[15:42] <yann2> any known bug with hardy and LVM?
[15:43] <Lunar_Lamp> Are there known issues with burning isos at the moment?
[15:45] <Ng> komputes: looks like you win on bash-completion, pitti just promoted it to main
[15:48] <komputes> Ng: party time
[15:48]  * komputes dancing
[15:48] <bazhang> haha
[15:50] <numus> im having a flickering video problem in hardy with my ati-radeon x1400
[15:51] <komputes> Ng: now just to convince the devs that using the old xorg user-interactive functionality is awesome as well VNC with F8 Menu and scaling and it's hardy FTW!!!
[15:51] <Ng> komputes: old xorg user-interactive functionality?
[15:51] <numus> !ati | Numus
[15:51] <Ng> also, vnc scaling?
[15:51] <komputes> Ng: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:51] <bazhang> numus you can /msg ubotu ati for that link
[15:52] <komputes> Ng: in hardy it skips over user interactive configuration
[15:52] <numus> bazhang ya i forgot the command
[15:52] <Ng> komputes: oh yeah that. I don't want that back, but I would love vnc scaling to work somewhere. I've never seen it on any system though
[15:52] <komputes> Ng: Scaling as in you can control a remote 1024x768 on your 800x600
[15:53] <Ng> yeah, but which clients do that?
[15:53] <Ng> I use vncviewer and vinagre and neither offer it afaics
[15:53] <numus> ok.. hardy has the built in fglrx drivers BUT i am getting a horrible video flickering.. any idea what i can do to fix this?
[15:54] <komputes> Ng: concerning X, why don't want that back? the auto-config is buggy
[15:54] <komputes> Ng: ReadVNC does that
[15:54] <JediMaster> Hey guys, can anyone recommend a quick, easy to setup, secure cross-platform VPN? (yes a lot to ask for), just finding openvpn a real headache to setup
[15:54] <Ng> komputes: because I want the autoconfig as fixed as it can be :)
[15:55] <komputes> Ng: I agree, but not at the price of taking away the manual tools
[15:55] <rexy_> hmm is pulseaudio configured by default in hardy or do you have to set it up yourself?
[15:55] <komputes> Ng: check it out 12 replies and over 300 views in just 24 hours - kind of shows theres an issue there. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=735118
[15:57] <JohnPhys> does anyone in here notice their fonts in gnome-terminal and qt (kde3) apps not obeying the subpixel hinting settings set in System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> fonts ?
[15:58] <JohnPhys> any replies (yes or no!) would be appreciated
[15:58] <JohnPhys> on hardy, of course
[15:58] <bazhang> JohnPhys: not so much in main system but in firefox; it is very haphazard at the moment
[15:58] <bazhang> using kde3 hardy ;]
[15:59] <JohnPhys> bazhang:  Odd, everything else *but* gnome-terminal and qt apps seem to be working, but I use gnome hardy
[15:59] <Ng> JohnPhys: pretty sure it's right for me
[15:59] <bazhang> JohnPhys: there was another user; darx who had the similar issue yesterday fyi
[16:00] <komputes> Ng: for the automated way to work and the manual way to be removed you'll have to tell me that xorg will never run into any misconfiguration issues - ever, which just isn't possible, because xorg cannot autodetect all cards and all resolutions. This why i think the use should be able to reconfigure xserver without having to change the xorg.conf file directly.
[16:00] <JohnPhys> Ng:  you can check by opening a gnome terminal, and going to Edit -> Current Profile -> Uncheck "use system fixed width font" -> clicking on the font selector, and comparing the preview font with what you actually see in the terminal.  If you could check that I would appreciate it.
[16:01] <Ng> komputes: well ideally it would fall back into the bulletproof vesa config and the user could fix it from there, but the displayconfig-gtk tool has been removed for being too buggy, afaik :/
[16:01] <komputes> Ng: vesa is not bulletproof
[16:02] <komputes> Ng: there are certain circumstances where user could not fix it from there without manually writing an xorg.conf file
[16:03] <Ng> JohnPhys: it's not a straight comparison because of colour differences, but it does look ok to me
[16:03] <nemo> Ok. I'm sick of wireless being screwed up on this laptop.  If anyone here has any advice for how I might have broken it, and steps to reset, I'd appreciate it.  Basically, the laptop is using iwl3945 now (including the oh-so-unpleasant bug #176090) and needs to connect to WPA networks
[16:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176090 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176090
[16:03] <JohnPhys> bazhang:  I found a workaround (that worked for me at least) and posted it in Bug #190848, but it doesn't seem to work for everyone, and other fixes that worked for other people don't work for me.
[16:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[16:03] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Can you try how Monospace 10 looks/compares?
[16:03] <bazhang> JohnPhys: thanks for the info
[16:04] <nemo> Right now, though, I can't seem to connect. using wpa_supplicant directly, wifi-radar or network-admin
[16:04] <Ng> JohnPhys: I'm using the correct DPI for my screen rather than the default 96, so "10" doesn't mean the same here as anywhere else
[16:05] <nemo> And actually, hardcoding networks in wpa_supplicant.conf is far from ideal, I'm wondering if there's something I should do to make entering it in network-admin work...
[16:05] <JohnPhys> Ng:  ah ok.  Can you check to see if you have a ~/.fonts.conf file?
[16:06] <Ng> JohnPhys: I don't, this is a fresh hardy install
[16:06] <rexy_> nemo, well i used that approach for awhile, it's not to bad considering it will just try any option that works and fail otherwise, just doesnt play nicely with networkmanager
[16:06] <Ng> I did have one on gutsy, but I've not tried it out here yet because it all looks fine
[16:07] <nemo> rexy_: soooo what do you use right now for WPA?
[16:07] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Thanks for the info.  Somehow I ended up with one when I installed (not upgraded to) Hardy Alpha 5.  I reintsalled from Hardy beta and now I don't have one.  *so confused*
[16:07] <Ng> JohnPhys: the only way you'd have a ~/.fonts.conf would be if you'd manually created it, I think
[16:08] <nemo> rexy_: I keep getting ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready   :-/
[16:10] <JohnPhys> Ng:  I didn't even know that ~/.fonts.conf existed until a ran a "locate font", so I don't think I created it manually.  I had to guess at how to modify the xml in there.  Also, I don't have one on my gutsy installs.
[16:10] <Ng> hmm
[16:10] <Ng> how odd
[16:11] <rexy_> nemo, i got an atheros based card , havent had any problems
[16:11] <nemo> rexy_: so. you just use network manager in gnome, and it connects to arbitrary WPA networks fine?
[16:11] <techknow> I have made a bit of a cock up in my video driver settings. When I updated to gutsy I told ubuntu to use a different one, and know that I have restarted my computer nothing is displayed
[16:11] <rexy_> i had a acx before which i configured through wpa_supplicant.conf, but it was a paion and impractical
[16:11] <rexy_> nemo, correct
[16:12] <nemo> rexy_: I'm wondering. should I disable wpa_supplicant in some fashion?
[16:12] <techknow> I can't connect over a network due to the fact that its wireless and it isn't connected yet
[16:12] <rexy_> nemo, no, networkmanager uses it i think
[16:12] <techknow> does anyone have any suggestions?
[16:12] <nemo> rexy_:  hm. so. it sets up wpa_supplicant.conf itself?
[16:12] <savvas> :P
[16:12] <rexy_> which is probably why configuring wpa supplicant yourself or through nm is mutually exclusive
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: 'cause, I tried setting a network, and it wouldn't take in network manager
[16:13] <rexy_> nemo, no, it stores the network information in your home directory
[16:13] <nemo> oh really
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: when I checked running processes I saw this:
[16:13] <rexy_> nemo, try unsecured/wep first, then wpa , not all drivers support the latter
[16:13] <techknow> anyone?
[16:13] <nemo> root      4261  0.0  0.0   3880   880 ?        S<s  07:57   0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.eth1.pid -i eth1 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -C /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[16:13] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Yeah, I've run in to quite a few "odd" issues while using hardy, it's definitely making me think twice about upgrading if it actually comes out in april.  It makes me wish I knew C code so I could start taking things apart and trying to fix them!
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: well, unfortunately WPA *has* to work :-/
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: and heck. it did work until lately
[16:14] <rexy_> nemo, you can configure wpa_supplicant dynamicly as well
[16:14] <Ng> JohnPhys: filing good bugs and talking to the developers about them is just as useful
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: what puzzles me about the above is that even though I didn't launch that process (I imagine it was network manager) it is using the manual config file
[16:14] <rexy_> which is why the Networkmanager backend part runs as root i suppose
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: and it does so even when the manual config is, well, wrong.
[16:14] <rexy_> nemo, yeah but by default it's pretty much empty
[16:14] <Ng> JohnPhys: I've helped at least 3 bugs get squashed today without touching a line of code :)
[16:14] <rexy_> and/or does not exist
[16:15] <nemo> rexy_: ok. so. where does the info from the network manager frontend get passed to wpa?
[16:15] <rexy_> default hardy install has no wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:15] <nemo> rexy_: hm. so if I removed wpa_supplicant.conf it might help with the gui config...
[16:15] <rexy_> nm-applet -> networkmanager -> wpa_supplicant
[16:15] <nemo> mebbe?
[16:15] <rexy_> nemo yeah, or your network config
[16:16] <rexy_> nemo, if you have configurations in /etc/network/interfaces networkmanager will skip those
[16:16] <JohnPhys> Ng:  lol well you're far luckier than I, most of the bugs I find I can't get other ppl to confirm, or I can't see any progess the devs might be making (not that they need to say "working on it", it's just frustrating being out of the loop and seeing the bug report go untouched for a few days)
[16:17] <techknow> is anyone able to help me?
[16:17] <nemo> rexy_: ok. I'm just trying to figure out if my problems are A) due to manual config I did long ago or B) due to the new iwl3945 driver and WPA
[16:17] <rexy_> nemo, yeah
[16:18] <nemo> rexy_: I'd like to clobber (A) so it sounds like you're saying I should hide that file for now, and also check out this /etc/network/interfaces
[16:18] <rexy_> hmm, not good, starting firefox crashed my X :|
[16:18] <nemo> ouchy
[16:18] <rexy_> nemo,  yeah
[16:18] <Ng> JohnPhys: sure, which is why I draw attention to talking to the developers about bugs. the volume of new bugs is pretty huge and at this point in the cycle they are getting focussed on the things they have time to fix, so if something is important or easy, it's worth mentioning I think
[16:18] <rexy_> afaik networks should just contain configuration for the loopback
[16:18] <Ng> JohnPhys: too many people file a bug saying "Foo doesn't work" and think that is enough :/
[16:19] <JohnPhys> Ng:  How do you contact the devs without being rude and "shortcutting" the entire process?  I would *love* to talk directly with some inkscape devs, but if everyone did that, they'd be pretty pissed at the volume of crappy complaints
[16:19] <Ng> JohnPhys: find out where they hang out, probably a #inkscape or a mailing list, and go and be nice to them :)
[16:20] <Ng> JohnPhys: you could talk to QA Team people instead and see if you can persuade them to escalate the bugs to developers
[16:20] <JohnPhys> Ng:  hehe ok thanks.  If you'd like to help confirm a bug, install inkscape, go Effects->Render->Gears, and then try using the 3d/perspective box.  That crashes my stuff hard (on updated hardy)
[16:21] <techknow> can someone help me, I am trying to join a WPA network from the command line
[16:21] <nemo> techknow: funny. same prob I'm having :-/
[16:21] <techknow> I have joined it before when the x server was working, but I am trying to fix it atm and I can't get net access
[16:21] <nemo> techknow: you can create a wpa_supplicant.conf like I'm doing, I guess :-/
[16:22] <nemo> or actually like I'm *removing*
[16:22] <techknow> surely there must be an easier way
[16:22] <rexy_> well you can punch it in manually in wpa_cli
[16:23] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 here is a complete howto for cli networking techknow
[16:23] <Ng> JohnPhys: yep, that crashed inkscape here
[16:23] <rexy_> doing the config is not really hard though, search the forums, there are quite extensive threads about it
[16:23] <techknow> thanks
[16:25] <Ng> JohnPhys: fwiw, the crash handler has filed it as bug #207191, which will become visible once it's been retraced
[16:25] <ubotu> Bug 207191 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/207191 is private
[16:25] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Thanks!  If you can manage to get apport to generate a report, or complete a backtrace (I couldn't, though not for lack of trying), I'd appreciate the info being added to Bug #205667
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205667 in inkscape "Inkscape crashes when using 3d box after attempting to render latex, gears, tree, barcode, maybe others." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205667
[16:25] <JohnPhys> htanks!
[16:25] <numus> 26 12:17:28.125 [   0] [ 6275] tap: connect() failed 2 (No such file or directory)
[16:25] <numus> err
[16:26] <numus> anyone have the guide to install ati catalyst
[16:26] <Ng> JohnPhys: when it's retraced I'll mark it as duplicate of yours
[16:26] <Ng> JohnPhys: fwiw, when it crashed I was left with a broken mouse pointer. i dropped to a console, logged in, killed inkscape and then went back to X. all normal again and apport fired up
[16:26] <nemo> sooo anyone else in here by any chance using an IBM wireless card?
[16:26] <Ng> X sucks at getting blocked with broken cursors
[16:26] <nemo> ideally iwl3945 ?
[16:26] <Ng> nemo: yes, but 4965
[16:27] <nemo> Ng: well. might be similar
[16:27] <nemo> Ng: WPA works for you in hardy?
[16:27] <bazhang> nemo the very same
[16:27] <nemo> bazhang: sweet!
[16:27] <nemo> bazhang: WPA works?
[16:27] <JohnPhys> Ng:  thanks.  I couldn't get apport to pick it up, which was odd.  I did the same thing (pop up a terminal with in a tty or with my keyboard shortcut), kill inkscape, but apport enver picked it up.  I wonder if that's because I installed the debugging symbols?
[16:27] <Ng> not sure
[16:27] <bazhang> nemo: yes, though wpa2 is recognized as wpa currently; still works though ;]
[16:27] <Ng> nemo: yep
[16:27] <nemo> hm
[16:27] <nemo> must be something I did then
[16:28] <savvas> you broke it :P
[16:28] <nemo> I really will have to wipe out any possible changes I made
[16:28] <nemo> wah
[16:29] <bazhang> on the bright side when configured correctly it is rock solid
[16:29] <nemo> bazhang: bleah :-/
[16:29] <nemo> bazhang: I'm pretty sure this is just WPA, not WPA2 - at least the web gui on their router doesn't mention WPA2.
[16:29] <bazhang> so you have that to look forward to nemo, sorry its not working now
[16:30] <nemo> Anyway, at least this gives me hope
[16:30] <nemo> heh
[16:30] <nemo> bazhang: oh. one more thing - you configure in the network manager?
[16:30] <bazhang> didnt mean to sound gloaty
[16:30] <bazhang> nemo yes in the nm-applet
[16:30] <nemo> aight
[16:31] <mi> can some1 know reason when i reboot hardy i wait 30 s....warnning in /etc/rc.local ?
[16:32] <nemo> what are you doing in rc.local? :)
[16:32] <mi> nothing
[16:33] <mi> i just upgrade from GG
[16:33] <nemo> mine waits for 2m in rc.local since that's how long my sleep is :-p
[16:33] <nemo> er. 1m
[16:33] <nemo> sleep 1m;echo "search foo.bar baz.bleah" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[16:33] <nemo> stupid !@#$ network that only does windows domain...
[16:34] <techknow_> is there anyway to simply set the video driver from the root terminal?
[16:34] <nemo> I can't figure out how to tell an ubuntu machine to add certain networks in dhcpcd - gentoo, there I can figure it out :)
[16:34] <savvas> nemo: have you tried with the windows drivers and ndisgtk ?
[16:35] <nemo> savvas: erm. this isn't about wireless or anything.  just a stupid network. so I imagine probably some samba thing would solve too. but hardcoding the search domains is just as easy
[16:35] <nemo> savvas: plus, that way I get to specify my own :)
[16:36] <ola1> hey guys, im having a problem with gnome suddenly disappearing, and the only thing left is the console saying a few lines, like "battery level check [OK]"
[16:36] <savvas> oh ok
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: X crashed?
[16:36] <ola1> presumably
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: check your X log and xsession error log?
[16:36] <ola1> music player continues
[16:36] <savvas> I'm really not a samba person :P I never connected windows with this machine
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: oh really. but there is nothing on alt-f7 or alt-f8 or whatever?
[16:37] <nemo> savvas: me either if I can help it. but is necessary on this network :-/
[16:37] <ola1> nope
[16:37] <nemo> ola1: ps auwx | grep X   ? :)
[16:37] <ola1> and its completely random, or feels that way
[16:37] <nemo> ola1: nothing in the log files?
[16:37] <ola1> how do i access those ?
[16:38] <nemo>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:38] <Lunar_Lamp> The
[16:38] <nemo>  ~/.xsession-errors
[16:38] <techknow__> can someone explain to me how I can set the video driver from the root terminal?
[16:38] <nemesis> hi
[16:38] <techknow__> I changed it and restarted the box and now x won't start
[16:38] <nemo> techknow__: kernel or X?
[16:38] <nemo> ah
[16:38] <techknow__> X
[16:38] <nemo> X
[16:38] <nemesis> i had a question?? on the new hardy
[16:39] <nemo> techknow__: edit your Xorg.conf
[16:39] <tehknow> nemo: ok
[16:39] <nemo> oops
[16:39] <nemo> stupid tab complete
[16:39] <Jaymac> !ask | nemesis
[16:39] <ubotu> nemesis: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[16:39] <nemesis> if i download the beta version and install it .. should I download and install the final release once again??? or I just can download the updates and have the final release???
[16:40] <bazhang> nemesis: just keep updating ;]
[16:40] <Jaymac> nemesis: if you download and install the beta, as long as you do all of the updates required, you will end up with the final product, on release day.
[16:40] <nemesis> oh .. tnx
[16:40] <nemesis> bye
[16:40] <nemo> techknow_: anyway, might just want to try generic vesa
[16:40] <nemo> techknow_: and the dpkg-reconfigure of course
[16:41] <ola1> It seems I dont have permission too access the logs
[16:41] <bicyclist> Can anyone tell me where i best can place a small script that resets my bluetooth device (it should be run on startup and with root permissions)
[16:41] <nemo> techknow_: ... even though that is mostly all autodetect these days.
[16:41] <ola1> sorry im pretty new too linux
[16:41] <RyanPrior> When I middle-click something in Firefox 3, it sometimes seems to double-click twice, opening two tabs with the same contents or closing two tabs instead of one. How can I fix that?
[16:41] <tehknow> nemo: I changed it to an old one I had on feisty, it no workey
[16:42] <nemo> ola1: the Xorg logs are usually world readable.
[16:42] <RyanPrior> bicyclist: You'll want to add it as a sysv init script. There are a bunch of examples on your computer already, and probably a google search will turn up some documentation.
[16:42] <nemo> ola1: can always switch to root and look at 'em I guess
[16:43] <nemo> tehknow: well. that's not terribly surprising. hey are you nvidia or ati?
[16:43] <RyanPrior> ola1: Do you know what the root ("superuser") account is?
[16:43] <tehknow> nvidia
[16:43] <tehknow> I had added a second screen since
[16:43] <nemo> tehknow: hm. lemme check my nvidia settings at home
[16:43] <tehknow> I don't think the old config had that
[16:43] <nemo> I don't have a second screen, but...
[16:43] <tehknow> would that make a difference?
[16:43] <nemo> dunno :)
[16:43] <nemo> depends on what you changed :-p
[16:43] <tehknow> like I said the one that gutsy was using before I changed it worked.
[16:44] <tehknow> I changed the driver in use
[16:44] <tehknow> is there a way to change it back from the CLI?
[16:44] <nemo> tehknow: would you like my xorg.conf?
[16:44] <nemo> for reference?
[16:44] <nemo> I'm not sure what generated it - probably the nvidia cli tool
[16:44] <tehknow> ok
[16:44] <tehknow> hold it for a sec
[16:44] <nemo> nvidia-xconfig I think it is called...
[16:44] <tehknow> I'll see if I can change it back first
[16:45] <ola1> yes
[16:45] <ola1> in theory I know what the root account is
[16:45] <nemo> tehknow: yep. says at the top. generated by nvidia-xconfig
[16:45] <nemo> tehknow:
[16:45] <nemo>     
[16:45] <tehknow> I saw that
[16:45] <tehknow> I tried running that just there
[16:46] <tehknow> no luck
[16:46] <ola1> I do now however know how to access it from the command line
[16:46] <nemo> tehknow: http://m8y.org/xorg.conf
[16:46] <seanet> I have just installed 8.04 and my networking seems to not work.  I have put in a statuc ip address and when I try to ping any external addresses i get "Network is unreachable"
[16:46] <RyanPrior> !sudo | ola1
[16:46] <ubotu> ola1: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[16:46] <nemo> tehknow: which nvidia driver are you using?
[16:46] <seanet> when i do ifdown tho0 i get the message interfaceeth0 not configured, and am able to ping localhost
[16:46] <ola1> Thank you
[16:46] <RyanPrior> You're welcome.
[16:46] <tehknow> I can't remember
[16:46] <ola1> ill look at some basic traning first
[16:46] <tehknow> I used envy to install on feisty
[16:46] <tehknow> and it worked perfectly
[16:46] <bazhang> !training | ola1
[16:46] <ubotu> ola1: A desktop course manual for Ubuntu 7.10 can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[16:47] <co0lingFir3> adblock plus is not able to add a new filter via right-click. has someone else this problem?
[16:47] <tehknow> nemo: are you using a wacom tablet?
[16:48] <nemo> tehknow: dpkg -l nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[16:48] <nemo> tehknow: nope. that's just some default config if that's in there :)
[16:48] <tehknow> ok
[16:48] <nemo> I can't afford one yet :-/
[16:48] <seanet> Any other information I can give to get some help on my networking problem?
[16:48] <tehknow> they look nice
[16:49] <nemo> tehknow: anyway. what is the output for those two on your system?
[16:49] <nemo> I appear to be using nvidia-glx-new 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31
[16:50] <tehknow> I have 169.12+2.6.24. and I can't see the rest
[16:50] <nemo> hum
[16:50] <tehknow> surely there must be a way to restore the default
[16:50] <savvas> co0lingFir3: where do you right click / what do you do?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: does it work with vesa ?
[16:51] <tehknow> vesa?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: and... anything in your Xorg log? like, any nvidia error messages?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: vesa - the boring ol' standard VGA driver with no acceleration and probably low res :)
[16:51] <tehknow> ah ok
[16:52] <co0lingFir3> savvas: i right click on an image in order to block it...
[16:52] <seanet> I have just installed ubuntu and cannot get networking to work with static configuration.  Where can I start to give you all information to help me troubleshoot?]
[16:52] <tehknow> doesn't seem to be anything apparent in the logs
[16:53] <tehknow> I have a geforce 6200
[16:53] <savvas> co0lingFir3: true, it doesn't automatically fill up the "add filter" part :)
[16:53] <MrBojangles> Im currently running Hardy, I'd like to use KVM
[16:53] <MrBojangles> How do I go about getting started?
[16:53] <seanet> I do an ifconfig and I have an inet6 addr but no inet addr for eth0
[16:54] <numus> i am getting an error trying to install some drivers of dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol XauFileName used by debian/xorg-driver-fglrx/usr/sbin/atieventsd found in none of the libraries.
[16:54] <savvas> MrBojangles: sudo aptitude install kvm
[16:54] <numus> dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512
[16:54] <co0lingFir3> savvas: so is that a adblock plus bug?
[16:54] <savvas> co0lingFir3: no idea, report it if you can
[16:55] <seanet> grepping the dmesg for eth shows me it used the reverse engineered nforce driver and the ifname is eth0
[16:55] <co0lingFir3> savvas: on which os and ff version does the prob appear?
[16:56] <nemo> *sigh* running dbus stuff remotely is annoying :-/
[16:56] <MrBojangles> savvas: I did that. But it's talking about hardware acceration
[16:56] <nemo> nm-applet in this case
[16:56] <MrBojangles> Is this something I can install or this computer simply won't support it?
[16:56] <nemo> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service.  dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.1240" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[16:56] <nemo> bah
[16:57] <tehknow> nemo: I plugged out the second monitor and let xorg reconfigure, its working with one now
[16:57] <nemo> cool
[16:57] <nemo> well. that's improvement :)
[16:58] <tehknow> yeah, now I can do it in a GUI, thank god
[16:58] <seanet> no ideas?  I have given all the outputs of my troubleshooting
[16:58] <nemo> tehknow: ATI - I'll say this for them, has actually released their Catalyst Control Centre for linux...
[16:58] <nemo> tehknow: makes setting up multiple monitors a lot easier
[16:58] <tehknow> :o
[16:58] <tehknow> too late now I suppose ;)
[16:58] <nemo> meh. they have other flaws :)
[17:00] <seanet> When I do route -n I get nothing for the Kernal IP routing table and with ifconfig there is no inet addr....any suggestions?  sigh
[17:00] <hwilde> seanet, ifconfig eth0 [ipaddresshere] netmask [netmaskhere]
[17:00] <MrBojangles> Does anyone have information about CPU Hardware acceleration for Virtulization
[17:01] <hwilde> seanet,  /sbin/route add default gw [gatewayehere] eth0
[17:02] <seanet> thank you hwilde you are a master!  Is this a known bug?  Works now
[17:03] <hwilde> seanet, I dunno I never use the gui.  command line rulez
[17:03] <seanet> I agree used windows all my life now am becoming a convert
[17:03] <wastrel> command line <3
[17:04] <hwilde> some people like the network-manager gui, some people don't
[17:04] <wastrel> i don't like network manager
[17:04] <hwilde> personally I work on systems without monitors so I know the ifconfig commands by heart
[17:04] <tehknow> nemo: back working again, thanks for all the help
[17:04] <wastrel> that ifconfig won't be saved between boot
[17:04] <Skiessi> why i can't move my mouse when I press a key on the keyboard?
[17:04] <wastrel> you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[17:04] <nemo> tehknow: well. tried anyway :)
[17:04] <seanet> ok so how can i save that ifconfig to last between boots...k ill see what i can do
[17:04] <Skiessi> *I
[17:05] <nemo> I think the major linux advantage is package management systems
[17:05] <seanet> because all the info is already there in my network interfaces, showed up there but not with ifconfig
[17:05] <hwilde> seanet, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[17:05] <nemo> soooo awesome to have thousands upon thousands of trusty software for my mom to install
[17:05] <nemo> not having to obsess about the provenance of every .exe she wants
[17:05] <Skiessi> should I go find that usb -> ps2 adapter thing?
[17:06] <hwilde> nemo, lol my mom also like synaptic.  she installs all kinds of stuff and it just works
[17:06] <keithclark> I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 beta, and I get to the Update Manager, New distribution is available, I select that, then a warning message comes up.  I acknowledge this and then nothing happens?  What am I missing?
[17:06] <nemo> hwilde: mom is using this web image download thinger . webilder or something like that. that was first one she installed on her own
[17:06] <nemo> hwilde: (now, I *had* added the server to her source tree, but she didn't know that ;) )
[17:07] <nemo> last I checked she had added a bunch of games too. that surprised me.
[17:07] <seanet> hwilde paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61136
[17:07] <hwilde> nemo, the best part is I can ssh into it and fix stuff.  for the first couple weeks she had no idea it was linux because she just used firefox.  then she asked why it was so fast
[17:07] <hwilde> seanet, add "auto eth0"  right above the iface line and it will come up automatically
[17:08] <hwilde> seanet, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61138/
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: yeah. I've been doing a lot of that.
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: BTW, if your mom uses a lot of web apps - I've been checking out the Prism project on mozilla dev network - kinda nifty
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: she might enjoy it for web apps she uses a lot
[17:09] <nemo> hwilde: they are on 0.9 these days - you can find that in the package dir.
[17:09] <seanet> got it thanks a lot hwilde will restart to see if it holds
[17:09] <hwilde> nemo, she does the google picasa thing for pictures, and hotmail, and instant messgner,  that's about it.  with windows it's a struggle for her to even get online.  linux just works so she doesn't care
[17:11] <Svish> how can I convert 60°09′59″N 10°15′24″E into decimal numbers so I can use them in the clock preferences to add a location?
[17:12] <ks> is there analog to centos /etc/modprobe.conf in hardy ?
[17:12] <nemo> hwilde: I just finished installing nxserver on my mom's machine
[17:12] <nemo> hwilde: was too much of a pain to use nm-applet otherwise :)
[17:13] <hwilde> !info nxserver
[17:15] <nemo> hwilde: basically like remote desktop for linux - X to forward individual apps is fine and all, but so many gnome things require a complete desktop these days :-/
[17:15] <nemo> I would pay for it if they charged. is lightning fast and I love that my session stays up
[17:16] <oskude> hi, is the "hot corners" removed from compiz in ubuntu8.04 ? (i cant find it anywhere)
[17:16] <Skiessi> why can't I move my mouse while pressing a key? is this some stupid accessibility feature?
[17:18] <keithclark>  I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 beta, and I get to the Update Manager, New distribution is available, I select that, then a warning message comes up.  I acknowledge this and then nothing happens?  What am I missing?
[17:20] <kristian42> I just switched from 32 bit hardy to 64 bit hardy. I cannot get the java plugin to work in firefox 3. Is this a hardy/firefox 3 issue or am I just missing something on 64 bit java plugin ?
[17:21] <Lattyware> Hey all. I'm not getting any sound (Intel HDA audio) inside ubuntu, the mixer gives me an error - but I get the noise when I login.
[17:21] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, You can do that with a fancy touchpad thing...  (starts with s forgot what it was called)..sndamon?)
[17:21] <Lattyware> So the sound is working, just not inside ubuntu
[17:21] <keithclark> Maybe because I was using a proxy server?
[17:22] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Are you on a desktop or laptop?
[17:22] <Skiessi> desktop
[17:22] <Skiessi> I have some microsoft usb keyboard and logitech mx518
[17:22] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Whats the mouse section of your Xorg.conf say?
[17:23] <kristian42> lattyware_: Tried the control panel sound preferences ?
[17:23] <kristian42> lattyware: Change "sound playback device"
[17:23] <Skiessi> I have never really needed to edit the xorg.conf, what's the path?
[17:24] <Lattyware> or rather, not once logged in
[17:24] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:24] <Lattyware> kristian42: Control Panel?
[17:24] <kristian42> lattyware: System | preferences | Sound Preferences
[17:24] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, seems empty
[17:24] <kristian42> lattyware: sorry about the windows reference ;)
[17:25] <Svish> how can I backup all my so far set up settings in ubuntu 8.04 beta? im afraid I am going to mess something up soon. and would be nice to not having to reinstall the system...
[17:25] <Lattyware> heh
[17:25] <Lattyware> oh right, There is nothing that seems appliable. Everything is set to ALSA
[17:26] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Sorry no capi x in xorg /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:26] <Lattyware> kristian42: Any other ideas?
[17:26] <kristian42> lattyware: Under "sound playback" i tried all the different options on HDA. It worked for me
[17:27] <kristian42> lattyware: You have no options ?
[17:27] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, "Configured Mouse"?
[17:27] <Skiessi> what does it need to say?
[17:28] <Skiessi> >:| "    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"" wtf
[17:28] <Gokee2_Laptop> It should have very few lines...  Why don`t you paste it on pastebin and let me have a look?  :)
[17:29] <Skiessi> I'll paste the whole file
[17:29] <Lattyware> kristian42: There are lots of options (and lots of 'sound playback'
[17:29] <Lattyware> nothing works.
[17:29] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, If you click both your buttions at the same time you get a 3rd.  Same at clicking your mouse weel (if you have one)
[17:30] <kristian42> system | preferences | sound | devices | Sound Events - Use the "test" button for each of the options
[17:30] <Skiessi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61140/
[17:30] <Gokee2_Laptop> Ok
[17:30] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, but I don't need emulating
[17:31] <kristian42> lattyware: I was running on hda a few months ago and had to do what I described. But I dont have HDA any more....
[17:31] <Lattyware> yeah, it worked for me a few months ago
[17:31] <Svish> is there any known bugs with the Screen and Graphics Preferences?
[17:31] <Lattyware> I'll chuck in a soundblaster card I have lying around
[17:31] <Lattyware> it'll be easier
[17:31] <Svish> why does it say None for Driver for example... =/
[17:32] <Skiessi> mx518 has 8 buttons if you count the wheel button too
[17:32] <Skiessi> aka middle button
[17:33] <numus> anyone use hamachi
[17:34] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Go ahead and take out that line then :)  You can also take out stylus eraser and cursor sections...  But I don`t see anything that would make the mouse stop while typeing
[17:35] <Gokee2_Laptop> Looks like a nice computer
[17:35] <Gokee2_Laptop> three moniters and dual video cards...  :)
[17:36] <Skiessi> :| except I have only one of each at the moment
[17:36] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Hmm  why do you have them all in your xorg then?
[17:37] <Skiessi> don't ask me
[17:38] <numus> anyone know how to switch output devices to X11 to help with my video flickering?
[17:38]  * Gokee2_Laptop notices only the Moniter0 is on for the default screen
[17:40] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, Hmm? You have two outputs on your video card and want to use a 2nd one?  Or?
[17:40] <ScislaC> is there any way to get older debs for libraries from earlier in the hardy dev cycle?
[17:40] <numus> gokee2_laptop i have a single laptop but when i load up such programs as google earth on the flgrx drivers i get a screen refresh flicker
[17:41] <Skiessi> let's see what setting the emulating to false will do
[17:42] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, Sorry I am not understanding what you want...  You want to know how to switch drivers?
[17:42] <numus> gekoo2_laptop i guess so...
[17:43] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, What video card do you have/
[17:43] <Gokee2_Laptop> ?*
[17:43] <numus> gekoo2_laptop, ati radeon x1400
[17:43]  * Gokee2_Laptop has never had a radaon
[17:44] <Gokee2_Laptop> Is flgrx from the radeon people?  In other words is it the restricted driver or is it a free alternitive?
[17:45] <ScislaC> Gokee2_Laptop: fglrx is the binary driver from AMD/ATI (restricted driver)
[17:47] <Skiessi> hi
[17:47] <Skiessi> it didn't work
[17:48] <numus> anyone know how to install the ati catalyst 8.2 ?
[17:48] <Tamale> can I upgrade from the beta to 'release' hardy when it comes out?
[17:48] <Lynoure> from?
[17:49] <Lynoure> oh.
[17:49] <Lynoure> yes, of course
[17:49] <Tamale> sweet
[17:49] <Tamale> thanks
[17:49] <Tamale> will there be a lot to change?
[17:49] <Gokee2_Laptop> My laptopsxserver froze :/
[17:49] <Lynoure> Who knows yet... Lots of change within the beta so far, some more changes to rc
[17:49] <Lamego> if you keep doing the updates, you will get into the release
[17:50] <Svish> is it possible to rerun the automatic hardware configuration that ubuntu does under the system installation? like choosing correct graphic card driver and resolution, etc...
[17:50] <ryancr> I am trying to install the beta, but the partitioner can't find any of my drives, I tried GParted and it says No devices detected
[17:50] <ryancr> I have Gutsy on this drive, so I know it is there, any ideas?
[17:58] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. using vlc on hardy and i'm getting no sound from the video...
[17:58]  * Gokee2 `s laptop ran out of power
[17:59] <NET||abuse> is this new fandangled pulse audio thingamebob gonna cause me headaches
[17:59] <NET||abuse> ?
[17:59] <nemo> NET||abuse: does it work if you switch to alsa instead of auto? if so, yeah, probably :-p
[17:59] <NET||abuse> how do i switch?
[17:59] <NET||abuse> in vlc?
[18:00] <Stormx2> Firefox is *still* locking my sound card
[18:00] <Stormx2> any ideas how to fix?
[18:00] <selinuxium> Any bluetooth gurus in the house?  Got a Belkin PCMCIA converter and a Belkin F8T020 bluetooth card that reports but does not work... Hardy, It didn't work in previous dists...
[18:01] <NET||abuse> switched vlc audio output module to forced alsaa,, nothing yet
[18:01] <fargiolas> does anybody know how to disable firefox 3 gtk forms?
[18:01] <fargiolas> it's totally broken with dark themes
[18:02] <fargiolas> and it also affects epiphany.. even if i try to change form colors with custom user style sheet
[18:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, not working,,,,
[18:03] <NET||abuse> ok,, anyone else have sound with VLC here?
[18:04] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, have sound?
[18:04] <tmh__>  NET||abuse what soundcard do you have?
[18:04] <tmh__> do you get sound with totem or rhythmbox
[18:04] <NET||abuse> think it's a intel thingamabober
[18:04] <Skiessi> vlc works great
[18:04] <NET||abuse> i have sound with system sounds, pidgin,
[18:05] <NET||abuse> i've tried 5 different video's in vlc, no sound yet
[18:05] <tmh__> well the intel thing is broken for most users now
[18:05] <tmh__> some get no sound whatsoever, some some sound, etc
[18:06] <fargiolas> no way to disable gtk native widget rendering in firefox 3?
[18:06] <NET||abuse> i can't play much,, infact i've gotten nothing to play in totem due to codecs.. havn't gotten round to adding codecs to my system
[18:06] <NET||abuse> here is the lspci output "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 0"
[18:06] <NET||abuse> that ends with (rev 03)
[18:06] <ryancr> Ok so that beta live cd will not detect my hard drive, I have tried the installer, gparted, fdisk and nothing
[18:07] <ryancr> its just a standard 160gig sata drive
[18:07] <Stormx2> I need to change gnome's default keyboard layout. How can I do this?
[18:08] <h3sp4wn> Is iced tea java mostly working yet ?
[18:09] <tmh__> NET||abuse: yep, that among others
[18:09] <tmh__> you're screwed, just like I am
[18:09] <tmh__> hey - I can't get no sound whatsoever, even booting to older systems
[18:09] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, while you're playing the video, press ctrl-i and check the codecs
[18:09] <NET||abuse> fookk,, well just updating the gstreamer codecs so maybe "Movie Player" will do stuff
[18:10] <Skiessi> are you there? :|
[18:10] <NET||abuse> yeup,, sorry phone call just happened
[18:12] <Skiessi> what codecs it uses?
[18:13] <h3sp4wn> Dunno why people don't just use mplayer and have done with it
[18:13] <h3sp4wn> I don't even bother with the 32 bit codecs and it just plays everything fine
[18:14] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, still on phone?
[18:15] <NET||abuse> sorry, yeh
[18:15] <NET||abuse> just friend asking about my holiday to venice... be a second
[18:16] <NET||abuse> finished..
[18:16] <NET||abuse> ok, vlc, ctrl+i
[18:16] <NET||abuse> ok, what bit do i look at?
[18:16] <NET||abuse> codec:mpga
[18:17] <NET||abuse> stream0:Codec:XVId, stream1:codec:mpga
[18:18] <NET||abuse> ooh, have audio with totem
[18:19] <napalmfred> so i have a HP DV9000 and i have been having troubles with the installer locking up my computer. i finally got to go by disabling acpi but now i have been waiting for the installer to finish for 10 min on 100% copying installation logs...
[18:24] <napalmfred> so i have a HP DV9000 and i have been having troubles with the installer locking up my computer. i finally got to go by disabling acpi but now i have been waiting for the installer to finish for 10 min on 100% copying installation logs...
[18:29] <seanet> Is anyone familiar with how to get Apple Cinema Displays to work with ubuntu?  I am using a DVI to ADC adapter and basically what happens, when I have the restricted drivers enabled the screen sleeps right before the login screen
[18:29] <seanet> The screen comes back to life on the logout screen.  I think this is because ubuntu cannot read the EDID properly, have tried configuring modelines and havent got it working yet
[18:31] <seanet> I have tried envy among other things as well.
[18:34] <hwilde> nemo, you don't like vino?   vnc is pretty fast
[18:35] <SilverDawn> Hey, Is there a way to disable evolutions server, When i booted and for about 10 minuits it was using 100% cpu till i did a kill -9 on it
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: vnc only does the desktop.
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: which means I need to share the session with my mom
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: it also doesn't have native controls, so can have paint issues and is a bit slower
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: nxclient/nxserver is a lot smoother, and gives me my own session I don't have to share
[18:38] <SilverDawn> anyone?
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: you're not wondering why it went wild?
[18:38] <mcquaid> i did a fresh install of hardy beta on a box that had dapper.  as dapper it was pretty solid.  but since installing hardy.  i've had a lockup or two each day
[18:38] <mcquaid> can't ping or ssh into it
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: anyway, evolution-data-server shouldn't start at boot
[18:38] <SilverDawn> nemo, i dont use evolution so i dont really care, If i knew why it would be nice but its not my biggest concern
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: is a user-owned process
[18:38] <mcquaid> i'm not seeing much in the logs,
[18:39] <SilverDawn> Hrm
[18:39] <nemo> SilverDawn: starts when you log in as a user
[18:39] <SilverDawn> So why'd it start and use all my resources =\
[18:39] <nemo> SilverDawn: there are various evolution bugs - you could look around :)
[18:39] <nemo> I had some in past with it
[18:39] <SilverDawn> is there a way to just stop it from starting?
[18:39] <nemo> irc://irc.gimp.net/evolution might know more
[18:40] <SilverDawn> Cuz i really dont use evolution
[18:40] <nemo> SilverDawn: uncheck Evolution Alarm Notifier in your user startup programs?
[18:41] <SilverDawn> Thanks
[18:41] <SilverDawn> ohh by the way, does anyone have a screenshot of their system? Its been ages since ive used gnome and im trying to prittify it
[18:41] <SilverDawn> :P
[18:42] <nemo> I bet there are tons of those on gnome-look.org
[18:42] <SilverDawn> Yeah... im just wonderin from ubuntu users :P
[18:42] <SilverDawn> http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2336/screenshotcu8.png <-- thats mine at the moment
[18:43] <ks> what do you recommend to install xen properly on hardy ?
[18:43] <ks> is is just apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server ?
[18:51] <fromport> ks: that should you the (basic) trick
[18:51] <ks> thanks
[18:52] <fromport> btw: #ubuntu-virt of #ubuntu-server is a better place (/me thinks)
[18:56] <oxigen> hi, how can i set rw all permissions for /dev/raw1394?
[18:56] <oxigen> is set forbidden now :(
[18:56] <oxigen> by default
[18:56] <cwillu> oxigen, what group owns it?
[18:56] <bhsx> hey, is gdmsetup hosed? gksudo gdmsetup is just hanging, and it wont start from the System menu either....
[18:57] <oxigen> hmm... moment
[18:58] <numus> any idea when the fglrx drivers will be updated to work with all opengl and directx applications?
[18:58] <bhsx> same thing happens on my laptop... so i think it's officially hosed...
[18:58] <bhsx> anyone else confirm?
[18:58] <oxigen> cwillu: root-disk
[18:58] <oxigen> group is disk
[19:00] <bhsx> oh WOW... looks like it started finally... after sitting idle for like 4 minutes...  that's not good
[19:03] <mcquaid> i'm getting hard lockups on a fresh install of hardy beta, a couple a day.  i'm not seeing much in the logs. any suggestions on what i can check?
[19:05] <nemo> !@#$
[19:05] <cwillu> oxigen, could just add yourself to that group (or whichever users need it), otherwise, the scripts that create and set permissions on /dev/* are in /etc/udev.d/rules
[19:05] <nemo> stupid !@#$ polkit thing makes it impossible for me to use network-admin under nxserver it seems
[19:05] <nemo> ** (network-admin:10634): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '10634'
[19:05] <cwillu> mcquaid, caps, numlock or scrolllock still work?
[19:05] <loa_> people who use. iwl3945
[19:06] <nemo> loa_: oh. you're having issues too? :)
[19:06] <mcquaid> cwillu, nope, can't ping it, ssh nothing
[19:06] <loa_> nemo, describe your problem/
[19:06] <nemo> loa_: getting WPA to work. might be my fault though. busy resetting custom config to see if that helps
[19:06] <nemo> there is also the kill switch led bug
[19:06] <nemo> but that one at least has been fixed
[19:07] <loa_> nemo, my connections speed goes to zero. I use wpa2.
[19:07] <axisys> !visio
[19:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:07] <axisys> any visio like tool out there?
[19:07] <axisys> i need to draw a network diagram
[19:08] <nemo> loa_: ah. well. there certainly are plenty of iwl3945 bugs out there :-/
[19:08] <nemo> but since I can't even *get* my connection working
[19:08] <nemo> nor debug it.
[19:09] <oxigen> cwillu: thanks, i'll try
[19:09] <loa_> nemo, =(
[19:09] <nemo> this polkit thing is super-buggy
[19:11] <hwilde> axisys, dia
[19:13] <rexy_> still no luck nemo ?
[19:13] <oxigen> cwillu: you mean in: /etc/udev/rules.d?
[19:13] <cwillu> oxigen, give or take a .d :p
[19:14] <nemo> rexy_: well. just as soon as I figure out how to run network-admin maybe
[19:14] <oxigen> hmm, mystical answer.. :)
[19:14] <cwillu> oxigen, you must find the silver monkey before the blue light falls
[19:15] <axisys> hwilde: thnx
[19:15] <oxigen> cwillu: haha!
[19:16] <evan_> my computer has eaten my cd how can i get it out? i did a umount and and remount but it wont give it back
[19:16] <cwillu> evan_, paperclip, tiny hole on the front of it
[19:16] <hwilde> stick a paper clip in the little ejecter hole
[19:17] <evan_> cwillu ok thanx
[19:24] <brucealdridge> I had a problem upgrading to hardy ... some sort of python bug, i reported it to launchpad, but it was marked as a dup (it wasn't as far as i could find) and i don't have access to the "original" bug so i can't see what the problem is, how to fix, etc etc .... is this how launchpad works?
[19:24] <oxigen> cwillu, did you write this: http://pastebin.ca/958477 and what do you mean by: "...but it's not going to be group "video", okay?" :)
[19:25] <alteroo> Hello
[19:25] <alteroo> X went nuts
[19:25] <alteroo> Taking up 98% of my CPu
[19:25] <alteroo> what do I do?
[19:25] <alteroo> It ignores SIGTERM
[19:26] <axisys> anyone know how to import a jpg in dia ?
[19:26] <axisys> hwilde: would you?
[19:27] <alteroo> X sucks in Hardy :(
[19:28] <alteroo> at least it's better than in Gutsy :)
[19:28] <alteroo> So any ideas on how to stop a rampaging X process?
[19:28] <nemo> alteroo: kill it or renice it?
[19:28] <alteroo> nemo: Ignores kill
[19:28] <nemo> ignores kill -9?
[19:29] <m1r> why ?
[19:29] <m1r> works perfect on 2 of my pc's
[19:29] <alteroo> nemo: If by still running it's ignoring it then yes
[19:29] <nemo> alteroo: what is the process state?
[19:29] <alteroo> on the upside it's memory usage has dropped from 20% to 0.0%
[19:29] <alteroo> Running
[19:29] <nemo> alteroo: only thing that should ignore kill -9 is uninterruptible sleep
[19:29] <nemo> alteroo: "running" is not helpful :-p
[19:30] <alteroo> Under top there is a column giving the processes state
[19:30] <alteroo> S for sleep Z for zombie etc
[19:30] <alteroo>  Xorg is always R
[19:30] <alteroo> for running
[19:30] <nemo> *sob*
[19:31] <nemo> hate gnome. hate it hate it hate it hate it
[19:31] <alteroo> nemo: use sawfish :)
[19:31] <nemo> I can't run network-admin with ssh -YC (unlock button greyed out)
[19:31] <alteroo> or KDE4
[19:31] <nemo> I can't run network-admin in nxserver
[19:31] <nemo> how the !@#$ am I suppose to use that !@#$ tool
[19:31] <nemo> I've added myself to group polkituser
[19:31] <alteroo> Network transparency is a good thing :)
[19:32] <nemo> alteroo: unfortunately I need to use network-admin to reproduce what my mom needs to do from day to day
[19:32] <nemo> and she is not leaving gnome
[19:32] <emilis_info> firefox-2 fails to be configured or something... I get errors from Update Manager
[19:32] <emilis_info> is this a known problem?
[19:32] <alteroo> nemo: script it?
[19:32] <KalEl> is the ubuntu artwork out yet?
[19:32] <ryancr> Just tried to install Hardy, when it comes time to partitioning it does not see my harddrive, I even tried GParted and it says 'No Devices Found'. But I know its there, as I am using Gutsy on it right now.  Its a standard 160gig sata
[19:32] <alteroo> ryancr: daily?
[19:32] <ryancr> alteroo: beta
[19:32] <nemo> alteroo: how is that supposed to help me reproduce what she's going to do?
[19:32] <nemo> *sigh*
[19:33] <alteroo> nemo: Ah computers aren't that great at reproducing humans
[19:33] <alteroo> nemo: Yep ignoring kill -9
[19:34] <asorbus> I just upgraded to Hardy and it seems that subpixel smoothing  is not working on my fonts in the terminal.  Also, the fonts  in Firefox are very small and hard to read.  I tried  installing msttcorefonts but that did not help.  Any  suggestions?
[19:34] <alteroo> ryancr: Ah I know the installer had some issues I don't know if they are sorted yet
[19:34] <nemo> alteroo: so it ignored it, and didn't just respawn with new PID?
[19:34] <nemo> that seems odd
[19:34] <alteroo> nemo: Same PID
[19:34] <nemo> alteroo: you did run the kill as root right? :)
[19:34] <cwillu> oxigen, ping
[19:34] <oxigen> pong
[19:35] <alteroo> nemo: sure did :)
[19:35] <emilis_info> duh
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: erm. that shouldn't happen
[19:35] <cwillu> what was that?
[19:35] <emilis_info> no way to copy out text from UpdateManager... :(
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: I mean, kill -9 doesn't ask the process...
[19:35] <alteroo> I ran top as root and issued a kill from there with a 15 then with a 9
[19:35] <alteroo> then I exted and did a sudo kill pid
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: and only uninterruptible sleep should allow an ignore
[19:35] <alteroo> then a sudo kill -9 pid
[19:36] <alteroo> it is still taking up 98% of the CPU and still with the same PID
[19:36] <alteroo> nemo: Tell me about it :)
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: that's permissions rules in /rules.d
[19:36] <nemo> alteroo: you're running security enhanced or something?
[19:36] <nemo> SElinux magic?
[19:36] <alteroo> and nothing on my machine works anymore Keyboard NumLock light doesn't work reset button doesn't work
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: but now i'm confused if there need to be group video or not :/
[19:36] <alteroo> only if that's been turned on in Hardy
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: i mean why is set to disk?
[19:36] <alteroo> I didn't turn it on
[19:37] <cwillu> oxigen, back up a couple sets, what are you doing?
[19:37] <nextstep> is there a fix for the broadcom wireless locking to 1mb in hardy yet ?
[19:37] <cwillu> oxigen, upgrade from gutsy?  they may have changed the group used
[19:37] <alteroo> nemo: I'm assuming that's a kernel flag?
[19:37] <oxigen> cwillu: not its 8.04 alpha 5
[19:37] <cwillu> nextstep, haven't had any problems in hardy
[19:37] <nemo> alteroo: don't know much about it. I've never really messed with it
[19:38] <alteroo> well do you know if it's turned on in Hardy? I recall they had some enhanced security kick
[19:38] <nextstep> cwillu:  the wireless card for the xps m1710 will only go to 1mb for all connections. there is a bug posted about it but I do not understand the fix (basically manually updating the f/w for the card) ... can anyone help with that ?
[19:38] <cwillu> oxigen, looks like a security fix
[19:38] <oxigen> hmm
[19:39] <cwillu> oxigen, read /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions
[19:39] <emilis_info> http://pastebin.com/m4789cca8
[19:39] <cwillu> line 22 or so
[19:39] <oxigen> cwillu: that was from that file
[19:39] <cwillu> nextstep, something about b43-fwcutter?
[19:40] <nextstep> yes
[19:40] <cwillu> oxigen, yep
[19:40] <cwillu> oxigen, I thought it explained what happened fairly clearly :)
[19:40]  * alteroo chuckles
[19:40] <alteroo> I can play music though
[19:41] <cwillu> oxigen, (adding that firewire devices having root access == good ol' days of virii spread via floppy disks and the like)
[19:41] <cwillu> nextstep, do you know what chipset it is?
[19:41] <oxigen> cwillu: good :) so, is it ok if i set it to 'video' group instead of 'disk'?
[19:41] <alteroo> while I'm on it how do I set my resolution in Hardy?
[19:41] <oxigen> cwillu: i'll use it for DV
[19:41] <oxigen> video
[19:41] <alteroo> I can only get like 1560x 886 which is pretty sickening
[19:41] <cwillu> nextstep, ya, just install b43-fwcutter, and then run the driver-manager
[19:42] <cwillu> oxigen, then you're asking for trouble, just don't
[19:42] <alteroo> nemo: did you try sudo networkadmin
[19:42] <oxigen> cwillu: hmm, even if i'm the only user on that computer?
[19:42] <cwillu> oxigen,  add people to the group disk if they need it
[19:42] <cwillu> yes, even then
[19:42] <cwillu> because you're not
[19:43] <cwillu> you're the only desktop-user, not the only user-user
[19:43] <oxigen> cwillu: ah, ok , thanks!
[19:43] <nemo> alteroo: yep
[19:43] <nextstep> cwillu:  yes that is where I am now... that part is done but the bug is that the wlan0 will only go to 1mb
[19:43] <nemo> alteroo: no matter what I do that damn unlock button is greyed out
[19:43] <alteroo> maybe it's already unlocked?
[19:43] <cwillu> nextstep, okay?  so what did they say to do next?
[19:44] <nextstep> cwillu:  the firmware being used is the wrong version and I have the correct one downloaded I think, but no instructions on how to replace one with the other
[19:45] <alteroo> Shift+backspace is the devil
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, uncheck the firmware in the driver manager, reboot, recheck it, it should give you a prompt to select where to download from
[19:45] <SilverDawn> Hey all
[19:45] <cwillu> alteroo, only if you type ctrl with them :p
[19:45] <SilverDawn> I have a .bz2 im tyring to extract that refuses to extract
[19:45] <alteroo> cwillu: Old Compiz bug
[19:45] <SilverDawn> I checked it against an md5 and it checks out fine
[19:45] <SilverDawn> What could it be
[19:45] <nextstep> cwillu:   you mean "Hardware Drivers ?
[19:45] <alteroo> cwillu: what's ^+Shift+BkSpc do?
[19:46] <cwillu> don't press it, just google it
[19:46] <alteroo> :-)
[19:46] <alteroo> in anycase I still can't type or move the mouse or do anything except play music
[19:46] <alteroo> No way to kill the Xprocess without pulling the plug?
[19:47] <cwillu> ctrl+alt+backspace (which is actually what I meant)
[19:47] <cwillu> will kill the xserver
[19:47] <alteroo> cwillu: Ah that I know but the keyboard doesn't work
[19:48] <alteroo> and the X process is ignoring all nice ways of asking to stop
[19:48] <cwillu> sigh:  "don't hit this key:  <some keys>";  foo has quit; bar has quit; baz has quit
[19:48] <cwillu> alteroo, ctrl+alt+f1
[19:49] <alteroo> cwillu: Keyboard doesn't work. I think X killed it
[19:49] <cwillu> alteroo, did you try it?
[19:49] <alteroo> Mouse worked for like a minute and then it died as well
[19:49] <cwillu> ssh in, that's about all you could do
[19:49] <alteroo> cwillu: I was banging on that for like 3 mnutes before I came over here to ssh in to see what was going on
[19:50] <alteroo> Xorg is using 98% of the CPU
[19:50] <alteroo> and ignores SIGTERM
[19:50] <J-_> !dvd
[19:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:50] <SilverDawn> Anyone know?
[19:50] <SilverDawn> Its important that this thing extracts
[19:50] <alteroo> as in it prints a messge that it is ignoring SIGTERM
[19:51] <SilverDawn> I ran bunzip2 -v filename.gz2 & It seems to just hang
[19:51] <SilverDawn> Graphically it does nothing
[19:51] <cwillu> alteroo, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[19:51] <alteroo> cwillu: it's also ignoring SIGKILL it seems
[19:51] <cwillu> SilverDawn, what about just running tar -xv filename.gz2?
[19:51] <SilverDawn> its a bz2 file
[19:52] <SilverDawn> grrr.....
[19:52] <cwillu> SilverDawn, tar has some logic in there to figure that out automatically
[19:52] <alteroo> Bunch of warnings about 3D visuals
[19:53] <SilverDawn> well tar -xv does nothing anyways
[19:53] <SilverDawn> i tried it
[19:53] <SilverDawn> it just wont extact
[19:53] <SilverDawn> I can view the files in the bz2
[19:53] <alteroo> SilverDawn: You need the f
[19:53] <SilverDawn> But i need to burn the iso thats in it
[19:53] <alteroo> f means from file
[19:53] <orvokki> Anyone gotten a working nvidia-glx-new setup?
[19:53] <cwillu> oh, right;  tar -xvf <filename>
[19:53] <SilverDawn> just seems to hang
[19:53] <cwillu> orvokki, I do, but I didn't do anything special to make it work
[19:53] <SilverDawn> Nothing appears on the desktop which is where the bz2 is
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how big is it?
[19:54] <alteroo> SilverDawn: bz2 or gz ?
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 235mb
[19:54] <bicyclist> orvokki what do you mean by working. Using nvidia here with no probs.
[19:54] <SilverDawn> bz2
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how many files?
[19:54] <alteroo> tar -xjf filename
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 1
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how much ram?
[19:54] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, odd. My nvidia 6600 can't start at all with the beta.
[19:54] <bicyclist> Just did a distribution upgrade and everything still works fine
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 1.2gb
[19:54] <alteroo> cwillu: He's missing the j flag
[19:54] <orvokki> That is, with nvidia-glx-new. It can only start with nv open driver.
[19:54] <alteroo> SilverDawn: that command I gave you will work
[19:54] <bicyclist> Mine works just fine. How did you install the nvidia drivers ?
[19:55] <alteroo> mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[19:55] <alteroo> tossed event which came in late
[19:55] <SilverDawn> alteroo, im trying it and its just hanging
[19:55] <alteroo> SilverDawn: Big file?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> 250mb
[19:55] <SilverDawn> ive extracted bigger
[19:55] <alteroo> did you do a test on it ?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> yes
[19:55] <orvokki> Ehm, I installed them back in Gutsy and I suppose the graphical upgrade interface updated them when going from Gutsy -> Hardy beta.
[19:55] <SilverDawn> it passed the md5 summing
[19:55] <bicyclist> Did you select the proprietary drivers via the new hardware drivers menu ?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> my cpu is was 100% for some reason aswell
[19:55] <alteroo> SilverDawn: ok tar -xjvf filename
[19:56] <alteroo> cwillu: my log is filled with mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[19:56] <alteroo> tossed event which came in late
[19:56] <SilverDawn> it just hangs there =(
[19:56] <SilverDawn> I need this ISO
[19:57] <orvokki> bicyclist: I did.
[19:57] <alteroo> SilverDawn: I'm guessing you have no gui :)
[19:57] <SilverDawn> i tried the gui one
[19:57] <SilverDawn> It did nothing
[19:57] <SilverDawn> But when i opened the file the bz2 the file i want is there
[19:57] <SilverDawn> it just wont come out
[19:57] <bicyclist> Hmm, weird, the graphic driver to me was the only thing that never made any probs.
[19:57] <alteroo> Hold on
[19:57] <alteroo> when you opened what file?
[19:57] <SilverDawn> the bz2
[19:58] <npurciful> Okay i did a clean install of kubuntu hardy beta (encrypted) now when i login and go to Storage Media there is my encrpyted drive for kubuntu listed if go to say cdrom it puts a icon on my desktop for cdrom and the encrpyted drive
[19:58] <alteroo> SilverDawn: What's the name of the file?
[19:58] <SilverDawn> mgl-devel-20080322.iso.bz2
[19:59] <alteroo> SilverDawn: :-P
[19:59] <alteroo> why are you using tar?
[19:59] <SilverDawn> ?
[19:59] <SilverDawn> ...
[19:59] <SilverDawn> Because you guys said too
[19:59] <SilverDawn> i WAS using bunzip
[19:59]  * alteroo sighs
[19:59] <SilverDawn> but then i was told not too
[20:00] <alteroo> bunzip2 file
[20:00] <orvokki> bicyclist: X fails to start after that. I have to change to nv to get a graphical interface at all.
[20:00] <SilverDawn> which also hangs, It extracts 5.7mb then stops
[20:01] <alteroo> that is strange then
[20:01] <bicyclist> Hmm, how about envy ? Did you try to install with envy ?
[20:01] <alteroo> bzip2 -d filename
[20:01] <alteroo> cwillu, nemo: I'm just going to pull the plug
[20:01] <bicyclist> There is an envy-ng version availabel expecially for hardy heron 1
[20:02] <SilverDawn> if i do a -vv i get alot of this
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [29: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [30: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [31: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [32: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <alteroo> hm
[20:02] <alteroo> try bzip2 -t filename
[20:02] <alteroo> it will do a test on it
[20:02] <SilverDawn> how long should the test take
[20:03] <alteroo> A bit I think
[20:04] <orvokki> bicyclist: Not, not yet. Can't find a package for envy though.
[20:06] <J-_> Is there any reason why I can't play DVD's?
[20:06] <bicyclist> Have a look at: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See the table and select GetEnvyNG
[20:06] <bicyclist> Hope that helps.
[20:06] <alteroo> Wheee earthquake
[20:07] <cwillu> !dvd
[20:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:08] <J-_> cwillu: Yeah. I followed the first URL, and installed libdvdcss2.
[20:08] <J-_> I just couldn't sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[20:08] <alteroo> Well that's mildly interesting
[20:09] <alteroo> I can't play music unless I'm logged into the GUI
[20:09] <cwillu> J-_, drop the examples
[20:09] <bluefoxx> i think i found a issue to report...im trying to run a program in WINE and every now and then w/e key on the keyboard im pressing will lock up and screw the entire system up, forcing me to do a hard reboot[aka the reset button/pulling the plug] namely the "w" key. and no, it is not just the keyboard as i tried two different ones
[20:09] <cwillu> it's just in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh on mine
[20:10] <J-_> that worked =P Now I have to see if it'll play now
[20:10] <bluefoxx> i was also wondering how i can get numlocks to stay on at all times and how to replace capslocks with compose
[20:11] <cwillu> bluefoxx, -> launchpad.net for bugreports;  alteroo might be having the same issue (I'm doubting it's wine, unless it's a buggy windows app freezing while holding the mouse;  winecfg has options to disallow that)
[20:11] <marko-_-> i got sound in hardy and today i don't have it anymore. any suggestions, please ?
[20:11] <cwillu> bluefoxx, prefs, keyboard options (or something like that)
[20:11] <alteroo> marko-_-: Hmm?
[20:11] <marko-_-> what hmm ? i didn't had sound then i got it by installing linux-module386 (i think... someting like that) and today just again no sound
[20:12] <cwillu> J-_, future reference, locate install-css.sh would work too :p (although it might have needed an updatedb first)
[20:12] <cwillu> marko-_-, probably a kernel update?
[20:12] <J-_> I get too many packets in the buffer it says
[20:12] <bluefoxx> i cant even ctrl-alt-backspce once a key locks up. the program in question is half life two
[20:12] <J-_> the video is all crazy like
[20:12] <marko-_-> cwillu, i don't know... i updated stuff today but i didn't chek it what was i updating
[20:12] <bluefoxx> and its usually the 'w' key locking
[20:12] <cwillu> bluefoxx, that's nice, but check the stuff I mentioned :p
[20:12] <bicyclist> bluefoxx does reisub work ?
[20:13] <bluefoxx> bicyclist, nope, not even that fixed it
[20:13] <bicyclist> Wow, that is extreme. Normally reisub should override everything..
[20:14] <bluefoxx> bicyclist, the key just keeps repeating, doesnt let me do anything else
[20:14] <cwillu> marko-_-, dangerous thing to do on an unreleased os :)
[20:14] <marko-_-> i think i will just install gutsy back
[20:15] <cwillu> marko-_-, give hardy a shot again once its been released;  there's still large amounts of changes going through, things still break (mostly from bugfixes gone awry now, but still)
[20:16] <marko-_-> cwillu, i know, i know ofcourse i will give it a shot
[20:16] <marko-_-> and i understand what's going on
[20:16] <marko-_-> but for now i can't live 30 days (or how many till hardy will be released) without sound
[20:16] <marko-_-> :D
[20:16] <alteroo> marko-_-: it will probably b fixed by toorrow
[20:17] <bluefoxx> the annoying part is it sets off the system bell if i change windows which then causes compiz to throw out a water effect tidal wave from the window title bar and it does it very rapidly which quickly locks up the computer and crashes it[fork-bomb anyone?]
[20:17] <marko-_-> it's not only that
[20:17] <marko-_-> compiz doesn't work 100% too
[20:17] <marko-_-> and stuff
[20:17] <marko-_-> but the most anoying thing is the sound
[20:17] <alteroo> Compiz doesn't work 100% Full stop
[20:17] <marko-_-> it doesn't work ok
[20:18] <Svish> is RythmBox player broken in 8.04?
[20:18] <Svish> I get Couldn't start playback - Unknown playback error when I try to start one of the pre added radio channels..
[20:18] <bicyclis1> Svish, to me it seems to work just fine
[20:19] <cwillu> bluefoxx, did turn on the water plugin accidently did you?
[20:19] <bluefoxx> i removed my system speaker inside the computer as it annoyed everyone in the vicinity[loud little bugger]
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: no, i turned on the compiz plugins
[20:19] <cwillu> bluefoxx, which ones?
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: i use it cause like i said, i removed the sys speaker
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: err, one sec
[20:19] <alteroo> Bah
[20:20] <alteroo> KDE 4.1 is 4 days after Hardy ships
[20:20] <alteroo> Dang you KDE!
[20:20] <Itaku> uh for some reason none of my apps open
[20:21] <alteroo> Itaku: Even from Command line?
[20:21] <Itaku> calculator doesnt
[20:21] <Itaku> uh whats command line for calculator?
[20:21] <alteroo> which calculator
[20:21] <ethana2> qalculate FTW
[20:21] <Itaku> applications accessories...
[20:21] <ethana2> ;)
[20:21] <alteroo> gnome? xcalc ?
[20:21] <Itaku> gnome?
[20:21] <Itaku> i tihnk
[20:22] <alteroo> gomne-calculator
[20:22] <alteroo> Spelt correctly of course
[20:22] <bicyclis1> gnome-calculator
[20:22] <Itaku> itaku@itaku-desktop:~/Unreal3.2.7$ gnome-calculator
[20:22] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:10422): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[20:22] <Itaku> itaku@itaku-desktop:~/Unreal3.2.7$
[20:22] <bicyclis1> hmm let me check on that too.
[20:22] <alteroo> Ah your xhosts is messed up maybe
[20:22] <bluefoxx> cwillu: add helper, enhanced desktop zoom, opacify, show mouse, brightness and saturation, desktop cube, rotate cube, expo, widget layer, pretty much all effects except minimize effect, blur windows, motion blur and trailfocus, annotate, splash,image loading plugins,
[20:23] <Itaku> how do i un-mess it?
[20:23] <Itaku> restart windows server?
[20:24] <wastrel> i like inkscape
[20:24] <alteroo> wastrel: That's ... informative :)
[20:24] <bluefoxx> cwillu: and more[srry, xchat crashed after i disabled system bell and water plugin]
[20:26] <wangfg> who know why the kde window menus don't work?
[20:26] <mydoghasworms> Anyone unsuccessfully tried the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 Beta? Have problems because local mirrors in South Africa not synced properly and using other mirrors taking forever.
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> mydoghasworms: How fast can you download the dvd ?
[20:28] <wangfg> i have little problem..
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> you can probably dist-upgrade with that quite fast
[20:28] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Depends from where. Locally (South Africa) should be speedy.
[20:29] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: And how big it is?
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> 4GB
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> or so
[20:30] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Will just have to wait for release and download the CD ISO :-( Thanks for the advice though.
[20:30] <bluefoxx> why is it that even though i manually mounted my extra drives to other folders by editing /etc/fstab they still show up on my desktop rather than invisibly merging with the system?i mounted them with fstab and they still show up on the desktop, cluttering it and annoying me -.-"
[20:30] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Almost reached my bandwidth limit for month.
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> mydoghasworms: Then what happens they just reduce the speed ? or cut you off or charge ?
[20:31] <bluefoxx> and now rhythmbox wont die -.-"
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> Depends where its mounted
[20:31] <alteroo> mydoghasworms: get that taken care of
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> iirc anything outside /media should be ok
[20:31] <bluefoxx> there...fixed it for now with a sleep script >>
[20:32] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Limit me to local sites. Will maybe try at end of month. 4GB is quite a bit...
[20:32] <mydoghasworms> alteroo: Indeed :-D
[20:32] <bluefoxx> while true; do sleep 2 && killall rhythmbox ; done
[20:32] <kRush> WTF? pink compiz window shadows... who came up with that? =x
[20:33] <bicyclis1> kRush it seems to be a well know bug with nvidia mine are either pink or yellow.
[20:33] <bluefoxx> wewt! it stayed dead after i ended the script!!
[20:33] <alteroo> kRush: Have you seen fluffy bunny for KDE4 ?
[20:33] <kRush> nope, but sounds fun ^^
[20:33] <bluefoxx> but why would rhythmbox keep trying to open itself after i closed it i wonder??...
[20:33] <alteroo> kRush: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=807
[20:34] <coz_> any news on the wacom tablet driver issue yet?
[20:34] <bluefoxx> well, another bug for them to iron out
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> kRush: http://ilovetallwoman.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/captura_da_tela-3.jpg perhaps the people behind that project
[20:35] <SilverDawn> anyone know how to get opengl to work with wine
[20:35] <kRush> urgh, reminds me of the hello kitty WoW interface
[20:35] <alteroo> SilverDawn: Prayer :-)
[20:35] <alteroo> SilverDawn: #winehq
[20:35] <coz_> h3sp4wn, that is some ugly butterfly :)
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> coz_: I never liked tux
[20:36] <coz_> h3sp4wn, no offense    It just shocked me when I first looked at the picture :)
[20:37] <coz_> h3sp4wn, one of the really nice things about linux is the constant surprise for me when I see the amount of creativity in themes and background
[20:37] <coz_> h3sp4wn,  so I really am not trying to be offensive
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> Didn't offend me
[20:38] <orvokki> bicyclis1: No workie.
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> I like black (even vista is not so bad)
[20:38] <alteroo> Vista is the secondary devil
[20:38] <nemo> my desktop background is an svg
[20:39] <nemo> every minute I write new system info to it, then refresh the gconf key :)
[20:39] <unenough> is there a way to install a dev package and all dependencies that are needed for apps that use that dev package?
[20:39] <orvokki> You who have working nvidia-glx-new: could you tell me which version of nvidia-glx-new and kernel image package you have?
[20:39] <poseidon> I want to be able to play chess, but it says that it doesn't have support for python GTKExt, how do I install it?
[20:39] <unenough> or is it supposed to already depend on them?
[20:39] <poseidon> I installed the python openGL
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> alteroo: I wouldn't use the os but I think it looks nicer than the &*$£ brown default theme
[20:39] <bluefoxx> firefox 3 is pretty sweet!
[20:39] <nemo> I suppose I could do the same thing with the desktop cube cap - if I was using the desktop cube
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> unenough: there is apt-get build-dep
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> but thats not exactly what you asked for (I don't think that exists)
[20:41] <bicyclis1> So: My nvidia-glx-new is version 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31
[20:41] <orvokki> What about the kernel package?
[20:41] <oxigen> i would like to use root-tail for desktop background. is this possible in new gnome?
[20:41] <unenough> h3sp4wn, yes I know
[20:41] <orvokki> Oh, right.
[20:41] <unenough> I think the dev package should directly depend on anything you might need for using it
[20:41] <orvokki> Sorry, didn't notice it had that. :)
[20:41] <oxigen> probably question for #gnome, but anyway..
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> unenough: It does
[20:42] <orvokki> Mine shows 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31 too.
[20:42] <bicyclis1> And the kernel module is 169.12.-0ubuntu3+2.6.22-14.52
[20:42] <unenough> h3sp4wn, i'm having aproblem with libgstreamer0.10-dev
[20:42] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Are you using -generic kernel?
[20:42] <marsje> I just installed Hardy beta and I can't seem to set my network to a fixed IP address with the network settings applet. DHCP works fine. Is this a known problem?
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> unenough: what are you trying to do
[20:42] <unenough> build a program that uses gstreamer
[20:43] <unenough> h3sp4wn, never mind i found it. it was my mistake.
[20:43] <bicyclis1> Yes nvidia kernel generic
[20:43] <bicyclis1> installed via envy
[20:43] <coz_> ooo
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> !ency
[20:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ency - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> !envy
[20:43] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> but in this case it provides exactly the same versions
[20:44] <coz_> bicyclis1, 6 months ago I would have supported your use of envy but it can mess things up
[20:44] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Hmm, I meant rather Linux kernel.
[20:45] <bicyclis1> well normally i stick with the ubuntu originals but i tried envy cause my new sony notebook had problems with brightness support and still has.
[20:45] <orvokki> But right...
[20:45] <coz_> bicyclis1,  ah ok if it works then ok :)
[20:45] <bicyclis1> nope the drivers work but i still can not adjust brightness. Hoping for the final release.
[20:46] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Which nvidia card did you have again?
[20:46] <bicyclis1> jup generic kernel
[20:46] <orvokki> Hmm, right...
[20:47] <bicyclis1> GeForce 8600M GS
[20:47] <orvokki> So 2.6.22-14-generic.
[20:47] <poseidon> Does the update package go really slow for you guys when downloading?  I get a download rate of "unknown" a lot of times (hence it's not downloading anything).
[20:47] <bicyclis1> nope rather fast, where are you located.
[20:48] <poseidon> But everything else that is connected to the internet works fine.
[20:48] <bicyclis1> it seems there is a problem with a undersea cable in the north sea in the moment slowing the traffic between europe and us
[20:48] <SilverDawn> is there a package that will add syntax highlighting to vim
[20:49] <tanner_> the internet does seem rather... slow at the moment
[20:49] <tretl1> hi, anyone having problems with nautilus?
[20:49] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Once you have the full vim ('vim' package), just turn syntax highlighting on
[20:49] <tretl1> tanner_ having trouble accessing ubuntu forums and google?
[20:50] <tanner_> tretl1: no, however access to some of my online services is rather slow
[20:50] <SilverDawn> where do you turn syntax highlighting on?
[20:51] <poseidon> bicyclisl, I'm in Va, U.S.A. ..... unfortunately :)
[20:51] <bicyclis1> Maybe that is the reason. I myself have problems accessing certain american web sites.
[20:51] <bicyclis1> hopefully they wil fix it soon.
[20:52] <tretl1> where are ye from, maybe its the isp, ireland here?
[20:52] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Easiest place is in vimrc, you can do it globally or locally.  globally is in /etc/vim/vimrc, uncomment the "syntax on", a personal rc is similar
[20:52] <bicyclis1> I am from germany.
[20:53] <oxigen> can i set gnome to skip backround printing?
[20:53] <J-_> Does anyone have any problems playing dvds?
[20:53] <tanner_> usa here
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> J-_: Nope
[20:53] <J-_> weird
[20:54] <h3sp4wn> J-_: you can run the script in libdvdread or get the medibuntu package
[20:54] <SilverDawn> pulse audio is so cool lol
[20:54] <bicyclis1> I have ping times of about 50 ms for german sites but for example ping times of 300ms for yahoo.com
[20:54] <tretl1> pulse will be cooler when the pulse settings are included
[20:54] <J-_> h3sp4wn: I installed the medibuntu package.
[20:55] <J-_> h3sp4wn: maybe I haven't, what do I need to install?
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> pule would be cooler if it worked better
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> libdvdcss2
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> *pulse
[20:56] <stefg> bicyclis1: you might want to join #ubuntu-de , to rule out that 1&1 is your problem
[20:56] <J-_> h3sp4wn: Hmm, yeah, I have that installed.
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> can you vobcopy from a dvd ?
[20:57] <h3sp4wn> (encrypted) if you can libdvdcss2 is working
[20:59] <J-_> I got a few errors
[20:59] <J-_> write error, not sure why since I have a dvd in there that I want to watch
[21:00] <nemo> god that was embarassing
[21:00] <J-_> maybe it's the dvd, brb
[21:00] <tanner_> J-_: what dvd?
[21:00] <nemo> !@#$ network-admin forced me to ask my mom to share her session over vnc
[21:00] <J-_> Orange County
[21:00] <nemo> well. more like !@#$ polkit
[21:01] <poseidon> Is there a batch like language for linux?
[21:02] <bicyclis1> poseidon: There are several. You can do shell scripting with php, python, basic shell programming and of course perl
[21:02] <J-_> hehehehe it was the dvd, weird!
[21:02] <ethana2> Yarr
[21:02] <ethana2> I don't know what package to file this bug against
[21:03] <ethana2> somebody who knows how gnome and X handles keyboards and layouts, could you have a look at this?
[21:03] <J-_> Kinda sucks =( Orange County is an awesome movie, and I want to watch it while I go to sleep =\
[21:03] <ethana2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/188308
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:03] <tanner_> J-_: try mplayer?
[21:03] <J-_> oh I have =)\
[21:03] <tanner_> J-_: how recently did you purchase the dvd
[21:04] <kRush> uhm, I guess there's still no gnome setting for home much scrollwheel movement translates into how many lines get actually scrolled, is there?
[21:05] <nemo> heh. ubotu pinged me for no good reason :)
[21:05] <nemo> something I said must have set it off
[21:05] <tanner_> it likes you nemo
[21:06] <nemo> tanner_: well, it certainly was deferential
[21:07] <ulisse> my screen never goes off with powermanager, I tried to issue the xset command by hand and it works. any clue?
[21:10] <Infecto> i`m borred
[21:10] <Infecto> kmail is so stupid
[21:11] <Infecto> he ask me 20 times to store password, i answer yes and he didnt store this password
[21:11] <tanner_> french?
[21:15] <tanner_> Infecto: curious, what is your native language?
[21:15] <Infecto> polish
[21:15] <Infecto> but i use english
[21:15] <tanner_> ah, wonderful
[21:16] <Infecto> its in english
[21:16] <tanner_> i only ask because you refer to the program as a "he"
[21:16] <Infecto> ;]
[21:16] <tanner_> normally you would refer to it as "it"
[21:16] <tanner_> :)
[21:17] <Infecto> yes, i treat him personaly :)
[21:18] <tanner_> spring break is a drag :(
[21:18] <tanner_> i'm tempted to reread all my cisco books out of pure boredom
[21:18] <marsje> tanner_: read them upside down as an extra challenge
[21:19] <marsje> tanner_: or you could try to set your network card to a fixed IP address with the gnome network settings applet and see if it works...
[21:19] <tanner_> lol
[21:19] <tanner_> having problems with network manager ?
[21:20] <marsje> tanner_: yes
[21:20] <tanner_> "what else is new"
[21:20]  * tanner_ is not a huge network manager fan
[21:20] <marsje> tanner_: when I set it to fixed ip and I do a ifconfig afterwards I see my card has only a ipv6 address, not a ipv4 address
[21:21] <SilverDawn> hey guys, im having a problem with my soundcard. Its a C-Media CMI8738, Its soposed to be surround sound 5.1 but im not getting audio from my center speaker
[21:21] <SilverDawn> =\
[21:21] <SilverDawn> any ideas
[21:21] <JediMaster> anyone here know anything about setting up custom repositories? I've got one setup, but I need to authenticate the custom packages now
[21:22] <kRush> SilverDawn, pulseaudio messed my surround sound up, check the config
[21:22] <tanner_> marsje: perhaps you should blacklist the ipv6 module and restart
[21:22] <SilverDawn> which config kRush
[21:23] <marsje> tanner_: it would also solve my delayed apt-get... but actually I wanted to try ipv6
[21:23] <marsje> tanner_: I have a tunnel... somewhere
[21:23] <tanner_> marsje: then it appears ipv6 is working
[21:24] <kRush> SilverDawn, /etc/pulse/.. daemon thingy - I have not yet completely wrapped my head around it either
[21:24] <marsje> not sure if it is working, but my first concern was ipv4
[21:25] <clusty> i know its blasphemy asking for such a thing, but still. Any clues on how to get susopend to disk working in hardy?
[21:25] <clusty> worked reasonably well in gutsy
[21:25] <SilverDawn> kRush,  how did you fix it?
[21:26] <tanner_> marsje: i believe if you choose to use ipv6, thats all you get
[21:26] <kRush> SilverDawn, $ cat /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |grep channel
[21:26] <kRush> ; default-sample-channels = 2
[21:26] <kRush> default-sample-channels = 6
[21:26] <marsje> tanner_: I think ipv6 is enabled by default in ubuntu
[21:27] <SilverDawn> kRush, how do you restart pulse?
[21:27] <tanner_> marsje: it is
[21:27] <SilverDawn> just restart alsa?
[21:27] <SilverDawn> or pulse
[21:27] <marsje> tanner_: so, what does the fact that ipv6 is enabled have to do with the fact I can't set an ipv4 address in network manager?
[21:28] <marsje> tanner_: I'm not getting your point
[21:28] <marsje> if I set the IP address to 10.0.0.3 and I press ok, I expect it to be 10.0.0.3
[21:28] <kRush> SilverDawn, would have to look it up, I wasn't in a hurry so I waited for my next reboot
[21:29] <tanner_> marsje: because your trying to set an ipv4 address into a system thats using ipv6
[21:29] <marsje> tanner_: since when are ipv4 and ipv6 mutually exclusive?
[21:29] <tretl1> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$ nautilus
[21:29] <tretl1> seahorse nautilus module initialized
[21:29] <tretl1> ** (nautilus:11791): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[21:29] <tretl1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:29] <tretl1> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$
[21:30] <tanner_> tretl1: pastebin please.
[21:30] <tretl1> could someone help me solve this?
[21:30] <tanner_> marsje: stranger things have happened :)
[21:30] <blueyed> Can somebody please check if "ls /sys/bus/{ide,scsi}/devices/*/block" outputs anything on Hardy, especially with IDE devices, please?
[21:31] <marsje> tanner_: do you use ipv6?
[21:33] <adinc> can someone please tell me if there is a new kernel package released for hardy?
[21:33] <tanner_> marsje: no, i have it blacklisted
[21:34] <Luckrider> Hey everyone, I was sent here from the regular ubuntu chan, and I was wondering if anyone can help me with x-chat. I have a fresh install of Hardy Heron, and I installed x-chat using add/remove. I was wondering if anyone knows how to show the user list in the side bar with this version of x-chat, I have used the fiesty version, and x-chat 2 for window. Any help is appreciated.
[21:34] <tretl1> how do I switch of samba sharing in the terminal?
[21:35] <marsje> tanner_: can I see your /etc/network/interfaces? (pm me)
[21:36] <tanner_> marsje: auto lo (\n) iface lo inet loopback
[21:37] <kRush> Luckrider, you installed xchat or xchat-gnome?
[21:37] <marsje> tanner_: weird..
[21:37] <Luckrider> umm.
[21:37] <Luckrider> x-chat gnome
[21:37] <Luckrider> btw thanks in advance
[21:37] <tanner_> Luckrider: you want the regular xchat it seems
[21:37] <Luckrider> ok
[21:37] <Luckrider> let me try that
[21:37] <Angelus> guys what am i gonna do about this error of virtual box ?
[21:38] <Angelus> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:38] <Angelus> wait not that
[21:38] <tanner_> however Luckrider, in reality support for xchat should be addressed in #xchat
[21:38] <ulisse> hmm... I found this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ#head-ce2bda3ffecec2f2534eab3a0d58bb89a16df04b
[21:38] <Luckrider> hmm. I am gonna have to download it from the site because it is not in the add/remove
[21:38] <Luckrider> oh
[21:38] <Luckrider> thanks Tanner_
[21:38] <Angelus> * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[21:38] <Angelus>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[21:38] <kRush> should be there
[21:38] <Angelus> why am i getting that? :s
[21:39] <tanner_> that was odd
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> Luckrider: Just do - sudo apt-get install xchat in the terminal
[21:39] <Luckrider> oh
[21:39] <Luckrider> duh
[21:39] <Luckrider> I forgot about that
[21:39] <ulisse> in the link they says to change a couple of options in /apps/gnome-power-manager , but I don't have those options in my gconf... is it the same for you?
[21:39] <marsje> another thing: anyone has a Intel G965 graphics chip? it makes my gnome hang when desktop effects are turned on (which was the default)
[21:39] <tanner_> Angelus: you didnt install the module package
[21:39] <mrtimdog> Angelus: try: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[21:40] <tanner_> wtf. i'm getting the chat in blocks O.o
[21:41] <Luckrider> tanner_, you are the best, that was the version I used to have, thank you very much
[21:41] <tanner_> anytime.
[21:41] <blueyed> Angelus: you need to install the modules.. e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[21:42] <tanner_> Angelus: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[21:42] <tanner_> you need that package if you dont already have it
[21:42] <blueyed> tanner_, Angelus: better use the meta package
[21:42] <kRush> little OT: anybody knows which bittorrent client identifies itself as some random hex-string (0xd3blagarbl)?
[21:42] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:11384): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[21:42] <Itaku> XEE
[21:42] <Itaku> help
[21:42] <tanner_> blueyed: i suppose.
[21:42] <Itaku> fix how?
[21:42] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:11384): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[21:43] <blueyed> Itaku: are you running gnome-calculator from inside Gnome? Is $DISPLAY set?
[21:43] <AaronMT> Anyone have installation instructions for a broadcom bcm43xg wireless device, I have no idea how to get wireless up and runnign in 8.04 beta
[21:43] <blueyed> Itaku: woops.. should be set to :0.0
[21:43] <npurciful> okay I have a 'Encrypted Filesystem' but kubuntu is put a link on my desktop like it does with usb removable drives, anyone know why or how to remove it
[21:43] <tanner_> Itaku: are you trying to run it through a root console
[21:44] <ulisse> AaronMT: connect your pc with a cable and let the restricted-manager do its thing
[21:46] <AaronMT> I dont have a physical way to connect the router.
[21:46] <AaronMT> ^to the router
[21:46] <ulisse> AaronMT: hmm... you'll have to download some packages and install them by hand, in that case
[21:46] <Matthew> how is the Heron ?
[21:47] <Angelus> :/
[21:47] <ulisse> AaronMT: I think you need the bcm-fwcutter and the firmware for your card
[21:47]  * tanner_ is hungry =(
[21:50] <ulisse> AaronMT: here is the fwcutter: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ#head-ce2bda3ffecec2f2534eab3a0d58bb89a16df04b
[21:51] <ulisse> AaronMT: for the firmware, look at the link that the restricted manager will provide, and download the file from there
[21:51] <adinc> i've my ubuntu machine not here, can someone tell me if today there has been a new kernel released for hardy?
[21:52] <ulisse> nope, adinc
[21:52] <adinc> ulisse: thank you
[21:52] <ulisse> np
[21:52] <AaronMT> Im going to try this offline install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy#head-60c0dd48972d93f123f836302cc92fc54ba66408
[21:53] <ulisse> AaronMT: the packages linked there are for Gutsy, use the Hardy package I linked above instead
[21:53] <AaronMT> You linked me a faq
[21:54] <ulisse> uhm... sorry :P
[21:54] <ulisse> wrong paste
[21:54] <tanner_> mmm a meatball sub sounds good
[21:55] <ulisse> AaronMT: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/bcm43xx-fwcutter
[21:57] <tanner_> dear god the internet is crawling
[21:58] <AaronMT> no deb package there?
[21:59] <ulisse> AaronMT: click on the correct architecture i at the bottom of the page (probably i386)
[21:59] <ulisse> AaronMT: you'll be redirected to a mirror list, just select one
[21:59] <AaronMT> oh there it is
[22:00] <pestilence> when i play videos in totem on my external monitor, the aspect ratio is wrong
[22:01] <pestilence> i also get an incorrect aspect ratio with tecplot
[22:01] <pestilence> what could be causing this?  i am using the same Xorg as in gutsy, where tecplot worked fine
[22:01] <pestilence> the main difference that I see is the addition of compiz (i didn't use that before)
[22:03] <pestilence> actually, it's not specific to my external monitor.  it has the same problem on my laptop lcd
[22:03] <AaronMT> ulisse is the firmware the same as gutsy's
[22:03] <ulisse> AaronMT: yep, the firmware is distro-agnostic :)
[22:08] <tanner_> bahaha, "Notice: Undefined index: zip in d:\wwwsites\wienerschnitzelcom\www\restaurants.php on line 54"
[22:09] <sa2> Just wanted to say.. the Heron is beautiful
[22:16] <nemo> ok !@#$ it
[22:17] <nemo> I was able to connect briefly using iwl3945
[22:17] <tanner_> um, this is creepy :-\
[22:17] <nemo> then I got the kind of annoying !@#$ intermittent errors that are referenced in bug #176602
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176602 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Unable to connect to WEP encrypted network when using iwl3945 module (but success when using ipw3945)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176602
[22:17] <nemo> sooo screw it
[22:17] <nemo> how do I switch back from iwl3945 to ipw3945? at least that one worked
[22:19] <tanner_> nemo, iwlwifi is still considered experimental, please voice any issues with the driver at #ipw2100 or their mailing list
[22:21] <AaronMT> where is restricted driver manager in hardy
[22:22] <crd1b> AaronMT: it has been renamed
[22:23] <AaronMT> what is it now
[22:23] <crd1b> "Device Drivers" if I rememeber correctly
[22:23] <crd1b> it's still in the Administration menu
[22:23] <AaronMT> hardware drivers?
[22:24] <crd1b> bingo
[22:24] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i see no reason to break my previous record...  i've done beta for edgy, feisty, and gutsy, might as well bite the bullet and go for it now :D
[22:25] <AaronMT> I am trying to install the bcm43xx-fwcutter but its not listing the firmware in hardware drivers
[22:25] <AaronMT> I already installed the deb package for hardy
[22:25] <poseidon> How do I install python-gtkgltext?
[22:26] <poseidon> I need it to get the 3d version of chess.
[22:28] <nemo> poseidon: apt-get install python-gtkglext1 ?
[22:28] <nemo> oh. gl text?
[22:28] <nemo> what is gl text?
[22:29] <AaronMT> bah how I get the firmware listed in hardware drivers
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, i think i'll upgrade the laptop first, maybe that will fix the problems i've been having in gutsy with removable media...
[22:29] <poseidon> nemo, if I go to try and play the 3d version of chess, it says it needs support from it.
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> You have to download a total of 2019M
[22:29]  * Daisuke_Laptop cries
[22:30] <poseidon> nemo, osrry is glext
[22:30] <poseidon> I was forgetting the 'l' when doing sudo-apt :)
[22:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, i suppose i'll just let this run for a looong time
[22:31] <marko-_-> what happened to #ubuntu channel ?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> what do you mean what happened to it?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's there
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> 1300+ users
[22:32] <marko-_-> -ChanServ- [##unavailable] You've tried to join an unavailable channel.
[22:32] <marko-_-> when i wanna join ubuntu
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> weird
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> try again, i suppose
[22:32] <marko-_-> i tryed
[22:32] <marko-_-> many times
[22:32] <crd1b> you've probably been banforwarded
[22:32] <crd1b> check with #ubuntu-ops
[22:33] <marko-_-> whan means that ?
[22:33] <marko-_-> i never did anything
[22:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's with ##unavailable?
[22:35] <confrey> hi everybody
[22:36] <confrey> I've installed kubuntu-hardy
[22:36] <confrey> how can I active restricted drivers?
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> probably something in system settings
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> advanced, maybe
[22:47] <poseidon> How do I take a screenshot in ubuntu?
[22:50] <Laney> Hit the print screen key
[22:50] <clarezoe> my firefox crashes when I print the page into a pdf file, is that a bug? anyone gets the problem?
[22:52] <confrey> is there anybody using kubuntu?
[22:52] <clarezoe> poseidon, if you use compiz, you can hold super key and move your mouse to quote wherever you want and the screenshot will be saved in the desktop
[22:52] <confrey> I can't use dolphin, because of an error about amarok
[22:53] <Smygis> How do i change the system time? If i try to change it by rightklicking om the clock and change it there X.org freezes when i klick the 'change system time' button.
[22:54] <Smygis> I have chosen the right timezone but ubuntu apparantly thinks its +1 hour than it realy is.
[22:55] <Smygis> if i go the route of system - Admin* - Time and date it works for a while but resets the time to +1 time after a while.
[22:56] <naught101> how do I find out what changed on my last upgrade?
[22:58] <tiax> Is there no debootstrap script for hardy yet? I checked 1.0.8 both tarball and .deb
[22:58] <Smygis> nevermind
[23:03] <loa_> nemo, i found my problem =)
[23:04] <loa_> nemo, NetworkManager initiate scan for new wireless points and network goes down for few seconds =)))
[23:07] <AnswerGuy> What area of the wiki is actively maintained/monitored for enhancement requests (post Hardy)?
[23:08] <naught101> AnswerGuy: launchpad is used for feature requests...
[23:08] <renfrew> I'm having trouble setting up static ip's in hardy.. anyone got any suggestions?  tried using network manager, but, well, maybe I should call it network mangler.. ;)
[23:10] <tanner_> anyone here have Comcast as their isp?
[23:10] <AnswerGuy> Is that https://launchpad.net/ ?
[23:10] <renfrew> not me tanner_ ... rogers is my ISP
[23:11] <gew1> tanner_: nope , but whats with comcast
[23:11] <gew1> i always read about them on dslreports
[23:11] <tanner_> my torrents are completely dead, uploading works though. and my connection is dog slow lately
[23:12] <AnswerGuy> tanner_: you think they are doing content blocking?
[23:12] <gew1> tanner_: they block torrents
[23:12] <tanner_> AnswerGuy: would not surprise me
[23:13] <renfrew> I've read that they traffic shape, amongst other dastardly deeds.. comcast been getting bad press lately,.. not to turn this into a flame war or anything
[23:13] <AnswerGuy> I've heard that they do this.
[23:13] <tanner_> gew1: "throttle", no reports of completely blocking them
[23:13] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, violating 'net neutrality principle.
[23:13] <gew1> tanner_: have you d/l lots lately
[23:13] <tanner_> no, comcast doesnt deserve anything less than faming
[23:13] <gew1> that might be one of the reason why you slow ( connection)
[23:14] <tanner_> gew1: i dont pay $80 a month to not download a lot :)
[23:14] <gew1> tanner_: like i isad http://dslreport.com
[23:14] <tanner_> no, i know of the reports
[23:14] <gew1> and you can find tons of stories about comcast
[23:14] <tanner_> this is a first its happened though and i am unsure if its entirely their fault
[23:14] <renfrew> so, like, am I the only one using static Ip's?  DHCP works great but I want to have my home net static...
[23:14] <renfrew> tanner_:  have you tried changing ports?
[23:15] <gew1> tanner_: are u using public torrents or private
[23:15]  * AnswerGuy wonders if one could use a tunnel to a linode or other VPS --- run the torrent on the VPS and stream it across your own VPN link?
[23:15] <tbf> is my perciption right, that only 2 of hardy's packages depend on gtk-sharp!?
[23:15] <tanner_> public, and no havent tried chaning ports
[23:16] <tbf> i'd expect much more packages
[23:16] <AnswerGuy> In other words you could create your own private proxy (over ssh, IPSec, CIPE, VTun, whatever)
[23:16] <bluefoxx-alt-com> ok, so im on my at computer using the live cd and trying to boot off the scsi hdd i have in the system, which is a 4.4 gig ona 50 pin adapter. the problem is that when i boot off of it it just says grub and hangs indefinately, whilst lighting the fdd activity and IDE actvity lights. im thinking grub is misconfigured, and i would try the super grub boot floppy but have no floppies left[they all got ruined] anyone  got some hel
[23:17] <tanner_> AnswerGuy: in theory if that was the case, i could setup torrent to use TOR network which would "theoretically" bypass comcasts content filtering, if that is what it is happening
[23:17] <bluefoxx-alt-com> anyone got some ideas**
[23:17] <AnswerGuy> Of course this cuts down on efficiency a bit (both for the encryption and because all the data is routed to your VPS and then back over your VPN
[23:17] <bluefoxx-alt-com> [my friend hit enter for me<whacks teyr head>]
[23:17] <AnswerGuy> Does TOR support torrents?
[23:17]  * AnswerGuy things that sounds funny: torrents over TOR
[23:18] <renfrew> azureus has support for TOr, so I'm thinking yeah.. TOr can torrent
[23:18] <tanner_> well, tor is a proxy type network.. so i imagine so
[23:18] <tbf> ah!  libgtk2.0-cil is the proper package name
[23:18] <prometheuss> but it the other end is on comcasts network you are still screwed
[23:18] <tanner_> its just odd upstream works but i am unable to find any peers on any of my torrents
[23:18] <AnswerGuy> tanner_ ... try it.
[23:19] <prometheuss> tanner_ it is supposed to work the opposite way
[23:19] <tanner_> prometheuss: i know :\
[23:20] <renfrew> grr.. back to google... and/or DHCP... good luck with the torrents tanner_
[23:20] <tanner_> and magically it works
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> `bluefoxx
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> oop
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> wrong keyboard[two computers here]
[23:21] <prometheuss> I wish georgia had fios
[23:21] <tanner_> the fbi/nsa/cia watching my connection must have told comcast to stop as it was interfering with their investigation ;)
[23:21] <prometheuss> lol
[23:22] <prometheuss> rogers makes me cry at night
[23:22] <tanner_> lol
[23:23] <prometheuss> shaw and comcast during the day
[23:24] <prometheuss> savvas how you get it to forge your ip and dns info when you connect
[23:24] <bluefoxx-alt-com> annyone got a clue?
[23:25] <gew1> tanner_: why $80 .. do u have business acc
[23:25] <prometheuss> you don't need a business account to run a server
[23:30] <tanner_> gew1: no, i have the most expensive package they offer, 8Mbps
[23:30] <watchme> hi all
[23:30] <tanner_> prometheuss: i think comcast does not support running a server on residential accounts
[23:31] <savvas> prometheuss: you can cloak it and set it to say unaffiliated, ask in #freenode
[23:31] <romulo> hi there =)
[23:32] <watchme> I have a huge problem: my System dowsnt work anymore. It tells me, it is in read-only mode. But nowwhere (/etc/fstab for example) is said, that it should take RO
[23:32] <poseidon> If I find a program on the net (their usually .tar.gz) how do I download and install them (in general) if I can't sudo apt-get install them
[23:32] <tanner_> poseidon: you have to compile them if they have no packages
[23:32] <watchme> poseidon: untar; ./configure &&make && make install
[23:32] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: if your trying to setup a server then http://damon.zapto.org/forum/ may help you
[23:32] <watchme> does anyone know something for my prob?
[23:33] <tanner_> bluefoxx-alt-com: eh?
[23:33] <poseidon> watchme, thanks
[23:33] <prometheuss> I haven't cloaked it, they seem to not care
[23:34] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: as i recall, the kid that made/owns/runs the site made his own server and hosts it from his house or something of that sort
[23:34] <tanner_> bluefoxx-alt-com: i'm curious why you recommended me the link =)
[23:34] <prometheuss> for fedora/redhat but linuxhomenetworking.com has good stuff
[23:34] <watchme> wonderful.... no one helps ...
[23:35] <noodlesgc> is there anywhere i can see screenshots of a default install of the latest hardy release?
[23:35] <tanner_> watchme: people cannot help when they know not the answer you seek.
[23:35] <tanner_> watchme: what is the output of dmesg
[23:36] <watchme> tanner_: nothing important... no error, nothing
[23:36] <tanner_> thats more useless than the output of dmesg..
[23:36] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: ithe screen and computer this is running on is at my back while im playing half life on my main, and i glanced up and from what i could see i am guessing someone is having trouble with making a server/website or something
[23:36] <watchme> there really is NO error, NOTHING that says: " hey Im going into RO mode"
[23:37] <tanner_> watchme: pastebin the dmesg output please.
[23:37] <tanner_> also, what filesystem are you using
[23:37] <watchme> (Im only on console now, and the damn pastbins only work with X )
[23:37] <tanner_> bluefoxx|gaming: understandable, carry on :)
[23:37] <watchme> ext3
[23:37] <tanner_> watchme: have you rebooted into single user mode and ran fsck on your drives?
[23:38] <watchme> yes , no errors occurred
[23:38] <corevette> will hardy ship firefox 3 even if it is still in beta? http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/03/firefox-3-expected-for-june/
[23:38] <watchme> fsck ran through without any error
[23:38] <bluefoxx|gaming> tanner_: basically its forums for the webhosting he offers
[23:38] <tanner_> corevette: possibly
[23:39] <tanner_> bluefoxx|gaming: well given his site is still loading i dont think id trust it for much ;)
[23:39] <prometheuss> firefox 3 will come out after hardy
[23:39] <tanner_> watchme: drive failure?
[23:39] <Tuv0k> anyone use liferea?
[23:39] <watchme> smart says no
[23:39] <bluefoxx|gaming> tanner_: its being hosted from his home, and his ISP is giving him heck i think, i had trouble loading all the elements today too
[23:39] <watchme> S.m.a.r.t.
[23:39] <tanner_> i know what your talking about watchme, hmm
[23:40] <Adys> Has anyone had problems when using a launcher going to trash:/// ?
[23:40] <tanner_> watchme: have a livecd anywhere you can boot into?
[23:40] <Adys> aka, it hangs out when opening (not always), and after that gedit tries to open it
[23:40] <watchme> yes
[23:40] <tanner_> watchme: boot into the live cd, rerun fsck and check for drive integrity
[23:41] <tanner_> watchme: most common reason a filesystem forces a RO mount is drive/filesystem failure
[23:41] <watchme> rgr
[23:41] <watchme> afair I did it yesterday, but I will try :)
[23:41] <bluefoxx|gaming> watchme: you can get a full S.M.A.R.T. report on your drives with smartmonutils, using the command smartctl -a /dev/<device>
[23:42] <watchme> I can not install anything :(
[23:42] <watchme> and smartctl I used from the liveCD
[23:43] <bluefoxx|gaming> watchme: boot the live cd, enable all repos and update them , then install it
[23:44] <watchme> ok.. then Ill reboot
[23:48] <zylstra555> Hello. I am running Hardy on my server and a few times I have gotten the message that apt-get was unable to lock the download directory. How would I prevent this from happening in the future?
[23:49] <watchme> check that no  apt is running, while updating/upgrading
[23:49] <zylstra555> watchme: There are no other apts or synaptics running
[23:50] <zylstra555> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a fixes the problem effectively, but, it doesnt seem to be very... lasting
[23:51] <zylstra555> Actually,  now that command isnt working either..
[23:51] <clarezoe> anyone understand French?
[23:51] <nemo> oui
[23:52] <watchme> so... I checked smartctl and fsck.ext3 .. no errors at all