[00:42] <pochu> Amaranth: hi, could you explain to me why you reassigned bug 206809 to gnome-system-tools? It sounds more to me like a compiz bug or gnome-control-conter
[00:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206809 in compiz "Setting "Visual effects" to "None" is ignored when logging in again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206809
[00:43] <Amaranth> pochu: wrong package, i guess
[00:43] <Amaranth> pochu: whatever package has that UI in it (not compiz)
[00:43] <pochu> Amaranth: right, gnome-control-center
[00:43] <pochu> it's /usr/bin/gnome-appearance-properties
[00:43]  * pochu reassigns
[00:44] <Amaranth> arg, you moved it back to compiz
[00:44] <pochu> I didn't see you moved it to g-s-t until I got the mail few minutes after the new bug one :)
[00:45] <pochu> and +activity didn't show anything
[00:45] <pochu> it still doesn't... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/206809/+activity
[00:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206809 in gnome-control-center "Setting "Visual effects" to "None" is ignored when logging in again" [Undecided,New]
[00:45] <pochu> with 3 reassignments :P
[08:15] <seb128> Amaranth, vuntz: hey, any comment on the patch there, bug #204350?
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204350 in gnome-menus "Cannot change layout using applications-merged" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204350
[08:15] <crevette> salut seb128
[08:15] <seb128> lut crevette
[08:15] <seb128> crevette: t'as retrouvé ton splash ? ;-)
[08:15] <crevette> non
[08:16] <crevette> il apparait au debutn qd la bar pulse
[08:16] <crevette> mais apres il disparaiut et j'ai le texte
[08:18] <seb128> c'est que t'as un truc qui dure assez pour faire un timeout on dirait
[10:41] <vuntz> seb128: mmh, interesting
[10:46] <vuntz> seb128: there might be some side-effects
[10:46] <vuntz> would need to be careful about this
[10:46] <seb128> vuntz: which ones?
[10:46] <seb128> vuntz: could you comment on the bug maybe? ;-)
[10:48] <vuntz> seb128: well, I don't know. I'd need to read the spec closely to be sure
[10:49] <seb128> vuntz: ok
[10:49] <vuntz> seb128: but you can upstream the bug
[10:49] <seb128> vuntz: ok, will do, thanks
[11:40] <shabz> Hai
[11:41] <shabz> anybody please tell me the objective of this channel
[11:49] <shabz> Hello
[11:49] <seb128> hi shabz
[11:49] <seb128> shabz: the chan is to discuss the work done on the ubuntu desktop packages
[11:50] <shabz> gnome or Kde /
[11:50] <seb128> ubuntu
[11:50] <seb128> so GNOME
[11:53] <shabz> I have problem with Beryl package
[11:53] <shabz> it is not working on my machine
[11:54] <shabz> is there any troubleshoot info pls give the links
[11:56] <Hobbsee> shabz: beryl support in #beryl
[11:56] <shabz> okay thanks
[13:20] <kwwii> seb128: making the symlinks is easy but as hit uses makefiles I don't know how to do the packaging :-(
[13:21] <Ng> is the Visual Effects tab in the Appearance preferences not support to show the Custom option and a button to launch CCSM?
[13:21] <Ng> atm I just have the regular 3 options, none of which are selected because I've customised the settings
[13:23] <pochu> Ng: I think it was supposed to show the option if you had ccsm installed
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ugh
[13:23] <Hobbsee> why is it now mandatory that my usb contains the documents, music, pictures, video, etc folders
[13:24] <Hobbsee> i thought the dirs stuff was only supposed to happen for /home
[13:24] <Ng> pochu: yeah it used to do that, but not so much anymore
[13:24] <Ng> I'm wondering if a patch got dropped or something
[13:26] <seb128> Ng: install simple-ccsm
[13:26] <seb128> Ng: no, it got switched to the simple version
[13:26] <Ng> ah
[13:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: you have a weird definition of mandatory
[13:27] <pochu> gnome-control-center (1:2.21.90-0ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low
[13:27] <pochu> * replace ccsm with simple-ccsm
[13:27] <seb128> kwwii: what do you mean?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: it won't let me remove it.
[13:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: ???
[13:27] <Hobbsee> in nautilus.
[13:27] <pochu> seb128: perhaps it should have an upgrade path?
[13:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: there is nothing preventing you to remove folders in nautilus
[13:27] <pochu> (if that feature was in Gutsy)
[13:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: except errors saying "permission denied"
[13:28] <seb128> pochu: dunno, we didn't install ccsm before and it's still available
[13:28] <seb128> Hobbsee: what are the permissions on those directories?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> seb128: they were owned by the local user
[13:28] <kwwii> seb128: I mean I have no idea how to change the makefile or whatever else I need to do to get the symlinks in the package
[13:28] <Hobbsee> hmm, it hasn't come back
[13:28]  * Hobbsee has no idea then
[13:28] <seb128> Hobbsee: can you try to gvfs-rm it?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> seb128: i've already sudo rm -rf'd it
[13:29] <seb128> Hobbsee: I never had those created on a removable disk and nautilus doesn't special case those
[13:29] <Hobbsee> hm, OK
[13:29] <seb128> Hobbsee: so you are just basically complaining ;-)
[13:29]  * Hobbsee sigh.
[13:29] <seb128> Hobbsee: please complain before applying a workaround next time :-p
[13:29] <Hobbsee> i thougth i wasnt' supposed to complain at all.
[13:29] <seb128> why did you use sudo if they were user removable btw?
[13:30] <Hobbsee> good question.
[13:30] <seb128> kwwii: the package only does a make install, just do the change the way it would be done for upstream and that's it
[13:30] <seb128> kwwii: or use debian/binary.links to create symlinks if you want to do it in the package specifically
[13:31] <seb128> Hobbsee: isn't it? ;-)
[13:31] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah.  and i don't know the answer.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> oh well, if i can reproduce it somehow (may involve the evil 'doze), then i'll come back
[13:31] <Hobbsee> thought it was some new feature or something
[13:32] <seb128> Hobbsee: alright ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> and no, it's supposed to be in the user directory only and those are not special directories, you can remove them if you want
[13:35] <kwwii> seb128: yeah, that is the problem - I've no idea how :p all the other packages use the python stuff...I'll bring it up at the meeting tomorrow, I am sure someone can help ;-)
[13:37] <Hobbsee> seb128: that's what i thought.  they only came into kde after i stopped using it, so...
[13:38] <seb128> kwwii: what package are you changing?
[13:39] <kwwii> human icon theme
[13:46] <seb128> kwwii: easy way is what gartoon is doing
[13:46] <seb128> kwwii: debian/gnome-icon-theme-gartoon.links
[13:47] <seb128> usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/filesystems/network-workgroup.svg
[13:47] <seb128> ups
[13:47] <seb128> usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/filesystems/gnome-fs-network.svg usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/filesystems/network-workgroup.svg
[13:47] <seb128> kwwii: create a debian/human-icon-theme.links and write "source link" lines
[13:48] <seb128> kwwii: the symlinks will be created during the build automatically
[13:49] <seb128> kwwii: sould be trivial enough to do
[13:50] <kwwii> seb128: cool, I'll look into that, thanks
[13:51] <seb128> you are welcome
[14:00] <andreasn> seb128: gnome-icon-theme does that as well, right?
[14:00] <seb128> andreasn: I though but apparently not the current package
[14:01] <seb128> andreasn: the right way is to change the makefiles or use icon-naming-utils I think, but I've other thing to do and that's a detail
[14:01] <andreasn> yeah
[14:01] <andreasn> the right thing to do is to fix nautilus etc. to use proper names
[14:02] <andreasn> I'll see if I can find someone interested in doing that
[14:02] <andreasn> (for 2.24 obviosly)
[14:03] <andreasn> if I do it myself I'm just going to end up breaking the whole thing...
[14:03] <andreasn> :)
[14:04] <seb128> andreasn: well, those are the new gvfs names, so that's rather the icon themes that need to be updated, no?
[14:04] <seb128> andreasn: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532
[14:04] <ubotu> Gnome bug 506532 in general "icons needed for gvfs" [Normal,New]
[14:05] <andreasn> ah, that one
[14:31] <MacSlow> kwwii, see qry-msg
[14:43] <lmanul> crevette: ping?
[14:43] <crevette> lmanul, salut
[14:44] <lmanul> crevette: Salut :)
[14:44] <lmanul> crevette: about the "(copy)" patch
[14:44] <lmanul> crevette: what do you need reworked? Is it only that it doesn't apply to the newest files?
[14:44] <crevette> hmmm
[14:44] <crevette> what are you talking about ?
[14:45] <crevette> ah I was talking to you
[14:45] <lmanul> You made a comment on a bug concerning file duplication
[14:45] <lmanul> When you duplicate a file, where to place the "(copy)" string
[14:45] <lmanul> I think I had written a patch for this a long time ago
[14:45] <lmanul> And your comment requested that I rework it :)
[14:45] <crevette> ah in Nautilus ?
[14:46] <lmanul> crevette: yes, Nautilus sorry
[14:46] <crevette> ouch, long time I didn't look at this bug
[14:46]  * crevette fires it CCed bug list
[14:46] <crevette> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351290 ?
[14:46] <ubotu> Gnome bug 351290 in File and Folder Operations "Misplaced (copy) text with copy/paste file duplication" [Trivial,New]
[14:47] <lmanul> crevette: Right, well you left a comment 4 days ago, is that such a long time? :-)
[14:47] <crevette> ah not so long ago
[14:47] <crevette> :)
[14:47] <crevette> yeah I remember having pinged you
[14:48] <crevette> I overlooked over the bug and Martin didn't seems to be completely happy with you patch, so I just pinged you
[14:48] <crevette> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351290#c5 has an interesting comment
[14:49] <lmanul> Hmm, the one from Christian?
[14:49] <lmanul> crevette: I guess I could do that
[14:50] <crevette> perhaps you should talk with Martin and Christian
[14:50] <lmanul> crevette: I was just unsure what the decision would be on this, the patch is easy to write, it just needs a good decision
[14:50] <lmanul> crevette: right
[14:50] <crevette> yeah
[15:05] <pochu> slomo_: I assume we can sync gst-plugins-good0.10, right? we have -2 but there's -3 in unstable, which backports a patch from trunk
[15:05] <slomo_> yes
[15:06] <pochu> great, I'll test build and install and ask for a sync then :)
[15:07] <crevette> lmanul, on my opinion, I'm thinking Copy of would be better
[15:07] <crevette> and I think easier to implement :)
[15:07] <lmanul> crevette: Start the new name with "Copy of" ?
[15:07] <crevette> yep
[15:07] <lmanul> crevette: but then the alphabetization is screwed
[15:07] <crevette> yeah
[15:07] <crevette> perhaps I'm too biaised due to my Windows habits at work
[15:08] <lmanul> crevette: well, you can leave a comment :)
[15:08] <crevette> sometime I would liek to have a brainwash
[15:08] <crevette> no non
[15:10] <crevette> Good luck Mr Phelps :)
[15:22] <pochu> seb128: ^-- can you sync gst-plugins-good0.10 from unstable? it backports a change from upstream CVS
[15:22] <pochu> we have no local changes
[15:26] <seb128> pochu: synced
[15:26] <seb128> pochu: wants to write a mir page for libarchive? ;-)
[15:26] <pochu> hmm, right click on a folder -> share folder -> install smb and nfs -> ok -> ...installing... -> install nfs and smb?? -> ok -> install nfs and smb??
[15:26] <pochu> seb128: ^-- known issue?
[15:27] <pochu> seb128: sounds good, is it already useful (to test it)
[15:27] <pochu> ?
[15:28] <seb128> pochu: there is a bug about the install thing not working correctly
[15:28] <pochu> ok, I won't report it again then ;)
[15:29] <seb128> pochu: but pitti just approved nautilus-share for main so I'm going to remove shares-admin today I think
[15:29] <pochu> ah, ok
[15:29] <pochu> libarchive is for the gvfs archive backend, right?
[15:29] <crevette> seb128, really ? cool
[15:29] <seb128> yes
[15:29] <pochu> ok
[15:29] <crevette> seb128, nautilus-share ? ah I read gnome-user-share ?
[15:30] <crevette> there a lot of *-share aroung G world
[15:30] <seb128> crevette: yes, nautilus-share
[15:30] <crevette> not really consistent
[15:30] <seb128> crevette: gnome-user-share is the suck, webdav sharing has a poor win integration
[15:30] <crevette> the thing is the developer is always a GNOME core developper
[15:30] <crevette> seb128, yeah :/
[15:31] <crevette> but for Unix LAN is it awesome
[15:31] <seb128> right
[15:31] <seb128> but the world is not all unix
[15:31] <crevette> youp
[15:31] <pochu> seb128: it installed it, but didn't detected it, so kept asking for installing it. I've cancelled, it wasn't detected as installed, so I closed it. When clicking on share folder again, everything went fine (samba and nfs were there as options)
[15:31] <seb128> and we have quite some user sharing over samba
[15:31] <seb128> pochu: right, it needs a restart to list understand that something has been installed
[15:32] <seb128> pochu: that's what the open bug states rather
[15:32] <seb128> I didn't try
[15:32] <pochu> so I can confirm it then :)
[15:32] <seb128> pochu: and yes, libarchive is for the gvfs archive backend
[15:35] <pochu> seb128: ah, it's even milestoned for hardy
[15:36] <pochu> I guess you will unmilestone it once nautilus-share is the default
[15:36] <seb128> yes, I'll close it
[15:41] <crevette> I would dream about an unified capplet for file-sharing for desktop
[15:44] <seb128> crevette: good idea, you should start working on that ;-)
[15:44] <crevette> yeah :/
[15:45] <crevette> but GNOME HIG doesn't fit well with multi tab on several level; Apple HIG has the necessary widgetery
[15:45] <crevette> It would allow to just incorporate the glade into a top level glade :)
[15:56] <Amaranth> seb128: you should not be changing <Layout> of existing menus from applications-merged
[15:57] <Amaranth> seb128: because you have no idea what order things in application-merged will be loaded so you have no guarantee you'll 'win' and get your layout honored
[15:57] <seb128> Amaranth: can you write that on the bug? ;-)
[15:58] <Amaranth> hehe, alright
[16:03] <seb128> Amaranth: thanks
[16:56] <seb128> pitti: I'm not sure to understand your comment on bug #51255
[16:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 51255 in gnome-panel "No 12-hour clock available in spanish language" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51255
[16:57] <seb128> pitti: the clock applet has a 12 or 24 hours option which is available when the locale definition supports that
[16:58] <pitti> seb128: hm, seems to be a chicken-egg problem then
[16:58] <pitti> because, if I add the AM/PM definition to the locale, people can't use 24 hour any more
[16:59] <pitti> and since upstream also advised against it, I reverted the aptch
[17:01] <seb128> pitti: how can't they?
[17:02] <seb128> pitti: using french (and I think it's the same in de locale) my clock applet has the 12 or 24 options
[17:03] <pitti> seb128: de_DE has an empty am_pm defintion, and if I try to use 12 hour, it still uses 24 hours
[17:03] <pitti> seb128: fr_FR has the same
[17:03] <pitti> seb128: does it actually work for you?
[17:04] <seb128> no
[17:04] <seb128> but I think it used to work previous cycles
[17:04] <seb128> maybe the new clock applet is broken in that regard
[17:04] <seb128> but this bug is not new
[17:43] <pochu> slomo_: there's a liferea RFS at bug 201226, will you be able to look at it?
[17:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201226 in liferea "Please sponsor liferea 1.4.14 (main) into Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201226
[18:06] <slomo_> pochu: is the freeze exception stuff already done and it only needs to be uploaded?
[18:07] <pochu> slomo_: it's a bug fix release, so it doesn't need any exception
[18:07] <pochu> so yes, just uploading :)
[18:08] <slomo_> ok
[18:18] <pochu> slomo_: thank you
[18:18] <slomo_> np :)
[20:35] <crevette> hello
[20:43] <seb128> re crevette