[00:01] hi everyone [00:01] hello [00:01] heya [00:02] alrighty, so how many people are here for the marketing team meeting? [00:03] 3? =D [00:03] :) [00:04] i hope the DST change didn't confuse people, emmajane was patient enough to wait an hour [00:04] Huh? [00:04] I'm not sure how long I can stay though. :/ [00:05] hello [00:05] * xnox 's clock bangs midnight [00:05] xnox: she came at 7pm EST when it's really 8pm EST now that daylight savings time is over [00:05] Ahhhh now it makes sence [00:06] :) [00:06] here's the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-03-26 [00:06] it's short but i'm sure well have more to talk about [00:07] i gotta run soon [00:07] so let me mention the gerry carr thing [00:07] we might get a heads up on the 8.04 press release [00:07] minus the official canonical quotes [00:08] so we can pass them out to locos to translate as needed [00:08] awesome [00:08] or stick them in press kits or whatever [00:08] so will we get an email when that happens? [00:09] yeah, I'll email the marketing and loco-contacts lists [00:09] if gerry doesn't do it himself [00:09] great [00:09] do you have any idea when this will happen? [00:09] 23 April 23:59 UTC? =D [00:10] hah [00:10] yeah, I'll start bugging him in a couple of weeks [00:10] but yeah, I want to get it as soon as possible too [00:11] thats all I got [00:11] alright. and since it seems like a couple people are having to leave early, is this time generally bad or is it just today? would it help to have meetings one hour earlier? [00:11] time is fine [00:11] okay [00:11] but [00:11] an hour earlier would have been great :) [00:12] an hour earlier as well would be better [00:12] yeah, think its tough for people in Europe to make it [00:12] emmajane: today, or for future meetings? [00:12] okay i'll make it an hour earlier [00:12] 7PM is good for me because it gives me time to get to the gym afterwards :) [00:12] Cool =D [00:12] and the reminder was great [00:12] and is it okay with everyone that i've made meeting monthly now instead of every two weeks? [00:12] EST/DST thing did screw me up. I nver think about the difference. [00:13] DPic: 1 a month is plenty? Isn't it? [00:13] should we have meetings before hardy? [00:13] i think so [00:14] hmm maybe a special meeting two weeks from now just because of the Hardy release? [00:15] sure [00:15] works for me [00:15] fine [00:15] alright then [00:15] now, first thing on the agenda is to talk about fliers [00:15] we have a few here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials [00:16] but i would definitely like to see more. any ideas on who else we can contact? [00:17] most of the people who used to do that stuff arent' that active in -marketing anymore [00:18] i sent an email to the loco-contacts list which included a link to that page and we got one person to add their work [00:18] would it be worth contacting the artwork team? [00:18] don't see the old DIY page on the Materials page [00:19] I will try to come with something. Although I'm not great artist =D [00:19] no wait [00:19] its there [00:19] the materials page has all of the work from the DIY page i think [00:19] cool [00:19] no it doesn't https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?highlight=%28DIY%29 [00:19] could someone contact the artwork ream? [00:20] xnox: alright i'll work on copying stuff over [00:21] I'll contact artwork team :P [00:21] xnox: thanks [00:22] is there anything else we should do as far as fliers go? [00:23] 2 weeks before hardy send links to all Loco teams to remind them there is something to use =D [00:23] yeah, i'll be reminded to do that at our next meeting [00:23] i gotta head out, will read the backlog later [00:23] okay thanks for coming [00:23] bye! [00:24] * xnox still here though [00:24] i got an email from someone asking if there were any big events planned for the hardy release [00:24] i told them that i didn't know but i'd ask here if there were and if not, who to contact about making arrangements [00:25] * xnox is in UK and it seems dead [00:25] DPic: well there are parties everywhere [00:26] yes, but i'm pretty sure he meant like a BIG event [00:26] * johnc4510 sorry late [00:26] * xnox most of the LUG's anyway around where I live are dead [00:27] johnc4510: no problem. did you read up on what you missed? [00:27] I've heard of BIG events in China =D [00:27] doing that now [00:27] but I'm never gonna get there =( [00:27] johnc4510: okay cool, if you have anything to add, please do [00:27] xnox: well, are there any people who would be able to set up such an event? [00:28] not really [00:28] alright i'll let him know [00:28] my reply is already like a month late :/ [00:29] I think that 50 parties arround the world is a BIG event... [00:29] L1pe: yeah but he's looking for one big event [00:29] DPic: we should get the link to the teams as soon as possible for the flyer, so they can start printing and handing them out [00:30] johnc4510: the fliers that exist now talk about hardy as if it's already been released [00:30] k [00:30] hmm [00:30] i don't think we'll have any to talk about it's upcoming release in time although that would have been nice [00:32] next thing on the agenda is ubuntu demos. I added this a few weeks ago and thinking about it now it doesn't seem like the best idea but my thinking was to just try to get more people to SEE ubuntu but having demos on the streets. It might be better to ask teams to request having a demo at a computer show or something (not sure how they would pull that off). something similar is mentioned under friendly contact here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GainIndus [00:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GainIndustrySupport ? [00:33] ....? [00:33] i fail to understand your question [00:33] Page does not exists [00:34] the one you send [00:34] okay it works for me but here's the quote, "Everyone should be able to get in touch with companies and just say what you want. For example, you could go to a computer retail store and ask them about supporting Ubuntu, then show off your own computer running it. They'll like the spinning cube :)" [00:34] works for me [00:35] DPic: sounds great unless they will think it's hidden camera show ;) [00:36] haha [00:36] well how could we get LoCo teams to do this? [00:36] maybe add it to this page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HitTheStreets ? [00:37] I think we should do a hidden camera show and put it on youtube [00:37] with something like that [00:37] xnox: that's actually a great idea [00:37] a) loco's will see it [00:37] b) people will see [00:37] c) employees will see it as well [00:37] c) the internets will see it! [00:37] oh. [00:37] :P [00:38] DPic: internerds =D [00:38] we would be able to catch a lot of people's reactions on camera [00:39] it could make for a good promotional video [00:39] which Ubuntu and free software in general needs more of [00:39] I personally like the firefoxflicks.com idea [00:40] it's simple yet attractive [00:40] I don't think that's a good idea... [00:40] L1pe: why not? [00:41] well, maybe only in the "first world". because in many many countries people walking in the streents doesn't even have computers... [00:41] Good point [00:41] L1pe: well with that we'd be targeting the "first world" but i think it's a good idea for that [00:42] and in my opinion you just can't make somebody in the street to change there OSes [00:42] that is true but i think some promotional videos could help a lot if they served to educate consumers [00:43] sure [00:43] "Regular mum stripping DRM while cooking breakfast?" =D from ubuntuforums i think [00:43] hah [00:44] last on the agenda is team jobs [00:44] "Ubuntu - Linux for human beings; Unable your Medibuntu repository =D" [00:44] maybe some crazzy promotional videos, (I really like that kind of marketing) [00:44] what kind of "crazzy" do you mean? [00:45] Walk into dell store and boot all computer [00:45] s into ubuntu live cd [00:45] catch on camera reaction of people =D [00:45] Oh dell stores are shut down aren't they [00:45] yeah, but it'd be hard to pull off [00:46] like 100 loco members runing in the streets of dubai with live cds :) [00:46] ROLF [00:46] rolling on laughing floor? [00:47] * xnox I knew I never knew chatspeak [00:47] it's RLOF isn't it? [00:48] but yeah close enough =D [00:48] * xnox is Russian [00:48] xnox: it's ROFL --> rolling on the floor laughing :) [00:48] ahhh that's the one [00:49] haha anyways, team jobs. is anyone here interested in being the meeting manager? if not i'll email the list about it [00:49] anyone? [00:49] going once [00:50] going twice [00:50] going [00:50] going [00:50] gone [00:50] close but no cigar [00:50] whats the job spec? [00:51] take meetimg minutes, contact the fridge to let them know about upcoming meetings, update the claendar and wiki (for meetings) [00:52] I can do that if you want [00:52] it's not a lot of work, it's just a little but you have to do at regular intarvals [00:52] L1pe, that would be great [00:52] can i talk to you after the meeting about what to do? [00:53] ok [00:53] great [00:54] are there any other jobs that this team needs? [00:54] i think a person or two to act as a team contact would be good [00:54] so people can contact them instead of the list for certain things [00:56] alright, well is there anything to add before we finish? [00:57] * xnox "Hakuna Matata" [00:57] +1 [00:58] alright, i guess that's it [00:58] Meeting adjourned. [00:58] see ya [00:58] not the most popular meeting ever :) [02:46] eh === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 26 Mar 19:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 02 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 09 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 16 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team [05:05] can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time? [05:59] ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them? [06:31] hi [06:39] good evening calc [06:39] evening ? tsk... [06:40] morning [06:40] .oO(mummble,mumble ....middleofthenigth.... mumble) [06:40] 01:40 Chicago Standard Time :) [06:40] mumble mumble almost 3am mumble :) [06:40] 7:40 CEST [06:41] *yawn* [06:41] not sure which I'd dislike more [06:41] ihad3amones ... and i use to go to bed around 4am anyway ... so that was perfect [06:41] hmm [06:42] spacebar morning-weakness [06:42] its only 1:42am here [06:42] its still early ;-) [06:42] or late [06:42] * calc is glad his mother in law watches his son on meeting nights [06:43] * nixternal is glad his mother-in-law is no where near him on any night [06:43] he seems to think 6:30am is a good time to wake up [06:43] heh [06:43] so 3am-6:30am would really suck for sleep [06:44] btw the OOo graph is finally pretty :) [06:44] only 10 new bugs [06:46] heya guys [06:47] ArneGoetje: thanks for the bug testing :) [06:47] * asac waves [06:47] since when does the meeting start at 0630 UTC? [06:48] :-P [06:48] heh [06:48] morning all [06:48] * ogra_cmpc waves [06:49] asac: oh i thought it ended at 0700 UTC ;-) [06:49] ogra_cmpc: you already yawmed ... no need to wave ;) [06:49] ... andtriestogetridofthe sesame seedunder thespacebargrrr [06:49] ah, better [06:50] what are you doing ogra_cmpc ;) ... hopefully you are at least properly dressed :) [06:50] haha [06:51] not at that time of day, no ... but i wont go into details :) [06:51] lol [06:53] thank goodness :p [06:53] asac, did you get many agenda items for the meeting? I suppose there are plenty of milestone bugs we can talk about. [06:54] bryyce: no additions, no. [06:55] calc: welcome. took me a few seconds. :) [06:56] ArneGoetje: i'll have to get you to show me how to do that kind of thing on my laptop at UDS, thanks for taking care of it for me though :) [06:56] calc: sure. no problem. [06:57] any trick to get a hardy blocker list from launchpad _with_ the assignee in the list? [06:57] not afaik [06:57] i remeber that we had such lists in the past ... but i cant get it by just using advanced search [06:57] getting high/crit milestones are pretty easy - http://tinyurl.com/2vtt6u [06:58] asac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04 [06:58] slangasek: thanks [06:58] trade-off is that you can't hide the fix-released bugs :) [06:58] slangasek: how comes that that list is about 208 bugs, while the hardy tagged list is just 138? [06:58] oh [06:59] i see [06:59] I've been browsing through the high priority milestones, and noted a few that looked relevant to us... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61106/ [07:00] the network-manager issues should to be fixed on a branch. if anyone still experiences issues connecting with NM, please talk to me [07:00] ok ... maybe start? [07:01] yep [07:01] slangasek: for beta wrap-up: are there are any _new_ issues that came up after beta? [07:01] oh, sure, there were the regressions that people uploaded to the archive the day after the beta freeze ended :) [07:02] haha [07:03] if people don't know what I'm talking about - hal/network-manager started giving problems with wireless, and language packs started having errors with overlapping files, and then Germany went on a four-day weekend ;) [07:03] slangasek: i thought that was all of europe [07:03] calc, not all of us [07:04] calc: Australia also. [07:04] but most [07:04] sure made for a quiet couple of days for us in usa ;-) [07:04] i worked the whole weekend :) ... though on security backports [07:04] so thankfully, I think everyone's out of four-day weekends between now and release, so I'm optimistic that we won't have any repeats of /that/... [07:04] * ogra_cmpc hacked on classmate the whole time [07:04] ,e actually got away from the computer. [07:04] * TheMuso actually got away from the computer. [07:04] yummy bug 159893 sounds like it would fix my biggest gripe with compiz and its targeted for hardy [07:04] Launchpad bug 159893 in compiz "Windows only snap to outside edges" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159893 [07:04] TheMuso: heresy! [07:05] as for problems with the beta itself, things look pretty good. Still waiting for Xubuntu to give me the thumbs-up for a set of alternate CDs to release as a beta for them, but otherwise we're on the final stretch to release now [07:07] so it looks like we have until April 10th, Final Freeze, and then RC on the 17th and final release a week after that on the 24th. [07:07] correct [07:08] * ArneGoetje still needs to check some scim and fonts issues... :( [07:08] please use this time wisely to work on those milestoned bugs - if anyone's worried about running out, let me know, and if anyone's worried that they have too many assigned, let me know that too [07:08] ArneGoetje, do you want to give a status on that? [07:08] about bug #174002, you probably can avoid the reboot question if using noifiers to ask for a reboot of the system, but at least for server, the update notifiers are not installed by default [07:08] Launchpad bug 174002 in glibc "asks termnal question on dapper->hardy upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174002 [07:08] hmm final freeze is the day after i fly off to prague [07:09] you're going to prague a month early? [07:09] calc: so it's one day earlier for you =) [07:09] slangasek: yea GoOOCon [07:09] doko: yea [07:09] ah [07:09] slangasek: doko as well but on friday (i think) [07:09] doko, show a debconf note if there is no DISPLAY set [07:09] bryyce: I don't have an overview right now, as those bugs seem to be individual problems, some of them on KDE... so I would need to replicate them first [07:10] or just echo to the console [07:10] calc: ohwell, that gives you extra padding so that OOo can be uploaded /and built/ before the freeze then :-) [07:10] ogra_cmpc: it is shown now, but only for the case when debconf is installed [07:10] slangasek: heh yea [07:10] doko, if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ];then echo "please reboot" fi [07:11] :) [07:11] calc: I'd like to to an OOo -l10n language export test for -4. Could you make a preliminary -4 build available somewhere? [07:12] doko: ok, just the same as -3 but with some language stuff done differently? [07:12] doko: i am uploading 2.4.0-1ubuntu1 later this week [07:12] doko: probably tomorrow or so, whenever the official announcement goes out [07:13] calc: fine, just tell me where I can grab it before your upload [07:13] doko: ok, do you need just the orig/diff/dsc or the debs as well? [07:14] slangasek: are there particular bugs you've noticed as important, that aren't getting sufficient attention or progress on them so far? [07:15] calc: source only [07:15] doko: ok [07:15] ok, i think i assigned all unassigned ffox and network manager blocker bugs now. [07:15] (to me) [07:16] bryyce: I haven't noticed that yet, no; with less than a week since beta and Easter weekend intervening, there's insufficient data yet, but I'll certainly be tagging people if I think it's necessary [07:16] slangasek: ok well always good news that the sky is not falling ;-) [07:16] yes. i wondered why i haven't received the expected bug flood yet, but maybe its really because of easter [07:17] it's because no one could connect to the Internet to send their bugs :-) [07:17] slangasek: you can poke me about odds and ends as I don't have an area of my own yet. [07:17] i would expect more testers because of that, not less [07:17] * bryyce snorts [07:17] slangasek: hehe :) [07:17] yeah. thats another point [07:17] james_w: sounds great, thanks :) [07:17] yes, I've been noticing mutterings about wireless issues in some xorg bug reports lately. [07:18] "Can you ssh in and attach gdb to Xorg to see why it's crashed?" "Nope, wireless is broke." ;-) [07:18] fwiw, we *should* have those wireless regressions sorted in the archive now [07:19] asac, btw, heise held back the beta announcement until yesterday (to put it in the news aside with the fedora one) [07:19] it took a little longer than it ought to have, mainly because there were two overlapping regressions in two different packages [07:19] excellent, yeah sounds like the issues are already past [07:19] also for IPW2200? [07:19] ogra_cmpc: which ubuntu beta? [07:19] yup [07:19] but I expect we'll still have to handhold a few users through getting their wireless back up, for a few more days [07:19] ArneGoetje: ipw2200 hidden ssid is fixed on my branch ... otherwise it should work [07:20] ArneGoetje: testing appreciated [07:20] asac: will do tonight [07:21] for Xorg, things seem to be pretty stable - the usual level of issues. Mostly we're catching secondary and tertiary side effects from various fixes that went in around beta [07:22] I learned today that the compiz folks have blacklisted all ATI laptops, which is disappointing, but looks like it was the right call. A lot of users are going to complain about it though. [07:23] anyone can confirm that dpkg-buildpackage -S -si is broken (it always includes the orig.tar.gz in changes for me) [07:23] well dpkg-genchanges that is [07:24] (i had to create the changes in a gutsy chroot for the firefox security update) [07:24] asac: I never use -si, I just use dpkg-buildpackage -S and no orig is included. [07:25] it still includes the orig for me [07:25] $ dpkg-genchanges -S -si [07:25] dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload [07:25] same without -si [07:25] whats going on :( [07:25] what's your version number? [07:25] asac: did you want to look at the Blackdown java1.4 packages, or can we remove them from the distro now? [07:26] 2.0.0.13+0nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.4 [07:26] (does that mean the meeting's over, if we're talking about dpkg-genchanges commandline options?) [07:26] in the past it just auto did that for -1 [07:26] (like in debian) [07:26] slangasek: well ... not sure. if its broken its certainly a blocker ;) [07:26] maybe the heuristic has been changed to <= -1 [07:26] heh [07:26] slangasek: anyway ... it should honour the -si [07:27] agreed? [07:27] well, yes :) [07:27] should happen for all -0ubuntuX things if its really <= -1 now [07:29] ill test and file a bug. anything else? [07:30] asac: is ubufox getting up to the top of your list yet? It would be nice to have confirmation that java now works by default for 64-bit users [07:30] slangasek: yes. I will push it so it gets done by end of this week for sure. [07:30] ok [07:30] it should work for everything but LiveConnect [07:30] but the comments in bug looked good (except the wizard) [07:31] doko: "by default" -> ubufox still doesn't know to install icedtea-gcjwebplugin [07:31] why is that a problem? [07:31] is there no transitional package? [07:31] so we don't really get full user testing right now :) [07:31] asac: there is not, no [07:32] why not? (sorry if i miss the obvious) [07:32] asac: if there were a transitional package, users would get two options in the plugin list where they should get one...? [07:32] they will only get the package that had the Npp- headers in their control when ubufox database was updated the last time [07:32] well, I can build an empty package from the icedtea-gcjwebplugin source [07:32] so for now it would work [07:32] and once i run the datbase batch it would automatically suggest -gcjwebplugin [07:33] instead of the old one [07:33] (given that the Npp- headers are dropped from the transitional package control) [07:33] doko: an easy push through NEW from my POV if you want to do that [07:33] doko: empty? without transition? [07:33] empty -> dummy -> transition [07:33] ok [07:34] doko: please do that. i think users that installed the icedtea plugin want to be auto upgraded anyway [07:34] ok, will do [07:34] great [07:34] doko: have you gotten an answer to your inittab question yet? [07:35] slangasek: no, and not that high priority. I'll have to look later [07:35] I'm interested in knowing the answer, since I can't figure it out myself, guess it needs picking Scott's brain [07:37] fedora will surely soon have a fix now that they switched to upstart :P [07:38] ok, i guess meeting is over ;) [07:38] ok, thanks all :) [07:39] thanks [07:39] * asac goes back to work [07:39] thanks [07:39] thanks [07:39] thanks all [07:39] thanks [07:39] minutes will be out tomorrow my time. [07:39] goodnight [07:41] thanks all [07:44] thanks === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === \sh_away is now known as \sh === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey === asac_ is now known as asac === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [12:16] ok, so we have RichEd and ogra_cmpcng :) anyone else ? [12:16] unlikely :) [12:16] highvoltage, ? [12:16] juliux, ? [12:16] anyone ? [12:16] i've got a packed day with bad internet [12:16] i'll lurk and respond if pinged by name [12:16] i'm fiddling with the next gen classmate atm [12:16] ogra_cmpc, i am half here [12:17] * juliux is fighting with a lotus notes and domino server [12:17] and i dont have anything to report ... four days of easter and all remaining workdays went into classmate [12:17] beta was good though [12:19] there were three slightly critical bugs discovered in beta, one is moodle (not fixed yet), one in ltsp (amd64 dhcpd.conf handling (there is a fix on teh bug)) and italc not being installable in a netinstall (fixed by stephane, sorry for not having it uploaded yet) [12:20] beyond that we have two categories in g-a-i that i have to remove since they are empty [12:20] and there is one upstream ldm security bug that needs fixing [12:21] thats about it from my side === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [12:21] any questions anyone ? [12:22] sounds good and not too hard to fix for RC [12:22] oh, i forgot, laser has uploaded a new and fixed squeak [12:22] and apparently he builds the squeak vm for all arches so you can have it on ppc and amd64 as well [12:23] i will have to test how good it behaves on the classmate, since i suspect it will be used a lot [12:23] how better is the new classmate ? do you have L2 cache on this one ? :) [12:23] its a typical OLPC app so i assume kids will want it on the classmate [12:23] nope [12:23] and the device i have here is a total fake :) [12:23] but real HDD right ? [12:24] ok :) [12:24] 512M and 30G HDD [12:24] both wont be the default afaik [12:24] but that might still change depending on prices ... the device i have here isnt supposed to come out before Q3 or so [12:25] it has a 9" screen and a right shift key though :) [12:25] and a neat case that looks a bit more modern [12:25]