[00:01] <Laney> yep
[00:02] <Laney> wrong window
[00:05] <LaserJock> ScottK2: seriously dude, I find git a lot more user friendly :/
[00:07] <ScottK2> Heh.
[00:07] <ScottK2> svn does the job for me.  It's shortcomings don't really impact on the work I do.
[00:07] <LaserJock> well, that's what I was using, but no longer have that option
[00:08] <LaserJock> must conform to the bzr world order ;-)
[00:09] <ScottK2> Bah.  I have yet to run into it outside Ubuntu.
[00:11] <LaserJock> ScottK2: emacs :-)
[00:12] <LaserJock> the only thing I've used outside of Ubuntu is CVS and SVN
[00:12] <LaserJock> although I use git-{cvs,svn} and bzr-svn to get practice
[00:15] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: I'd like to see vlc 0.8.6e in Hardy, as the diffs between releases are somewhat massive, there are lots of security issues, and backporting patches is painful due to the code changes. This release appears to be mostly bugfixes (it fixes at least 6 security issues), but the diff is... very very large.
[00:15] <Fujitsu> Any chance of a FFe?
[00:15] <Fujitsu> Or shall I try to find the patches that they can't be bothered releasing?
[00:15] <emgent> Fujitsu: +1
[00:15] <candrews> Hi all - would someone mind helping me with a package?
[00:15] <ScottK2> Is vlc main or universe?
[00:15] <candrews> I've uploaded my progress to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/204005
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204005 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtcnative" [Wishlist,New]
[00:16] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: multiverse, I believe.
[00:16] <candrews> The package works and all, but I want to make it ready for inclusion in Ubuntu and/or Debian
[00:16] <ScottK2> Fujitsu: Given the volume of bugmail I see on it, I'd say bring on the crack.
[00:16] <Fujitsu> ScottK2: I'll file a FFe then. Thanks.
[00:16] <Fujitsu> Hmm, it's universe. How strange.
[00:27] <Riddell> LaserJock: ping
[00:27] <Riddell> LaserJock: what is SqueakPlugin.image?
[00:28] <LaserJock> Riddell: it's a squeak image for the browser plugin
[00:28] <LaserJock> Riddell: looking at NEW?
[00:28] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes
[00:29] <LaserJock> I'm sorry for you
[00:29] <LaserJock> ;-)
[00:29] <Riddell> LaserJock: so it's just a binary blob?
[00:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: yes, I believe so
[00:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: belive so?  didn't you package it?
[00:30] <LaserJock> yes
[00:30] <LaserJock> but with smalltalk I have a hard time distinguishing binary from source
[00:31] <LaserJock> it has to be run with the VM
[00:31] <Riddell> multiverse it is then
[00:31] <LaserJock> so I guess it'd be like a .jar file in Java perhaps
[00:31] <LaserJock> oh yes
[00:31] <LaserJock> all the squeak stuff should go in Muliverse
[00:31] <LaserJock> *Multiverse
[00:36] <Riddell> New Queue Zero!
[00:37] <protonchris> Hello
[00:37] <candrews> so..
[00:37] <candrews> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/204005 is anyone interested in helping me finish this?
[00:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204005 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtcnative" [Wishlist,New]
[00:37] <candrews> I've already package it - just needs some checking by someone
[00:37] <LaserJock> Riddell: thank you
[00:39] <Riddell> candrews: put it on revu
[00:40] <candrews> I shall do that
[00:40] <candrews> this may take a while :-)
[00:44] <protonchris> Riddell: if an empty queue bothers you ;) .... Bug 190744
[00:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190744 in libgdamm3.0 "please sync libgdamm3.0 (3.0.0-2) from unstable/main to universe" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190744
[00:51] <Fujitsu> superm1: Why on earth does vlc download its own copies of the faad and x264 source packages? That sounds very very wrong.
[00:51] <superm1> Fujitsu, it did that before I came into the picture
[00:52] <superm1> i just wrote a nice rule for it
[00:52] <Fujitsu> I was wondering if you knew the reason.
[00:52] <superm1> crimsun should
[00:52] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Why does vlc need its own copies of the faad and x264 source packages?
[00:52] <Riddell> protonchris: ok
[00:52] <Fujitsu> superm1: Thanks.
[00:53] <superm1> Fujitsu, i'll be interested to find out too once it's sorted out
[01:01] <Fujitsu> superm1: Feel like updating it to 0.8.6e? You know it better than I, though I can probably work it out.
[01:01] <superm1> Fujitsu, doesn't it need an FFe for that?
[01:01] <Fujitsu> It fixes 6 CVEs, and ScottK has already said he's probably OK with it.
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Seems to be bugfixes mostly.
[01:02] <superm1> well i'll do the packaging if you do the documentation necessary for it :)
[01:02] <Fujitsu> That's what I was planning.
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:03] <protonchris> Riddell: thanks.
[01:03] <emgent> cool
[01:05] <Amaranth> so what do you guys think about removing xserver-xgl?
[01:05] <superm1> +4^10
[01:05] <superm1> Amaranth, ^
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Isn't Xgl still useful for some cards?
[01:06] <Amaranth> no, not really
[01:06] <Amaranth> fglrx and nvidia both support running compiz without it
[01:06] <Fujitsu> Ah, right, fglrx does Composite now. Forgot that.
[01:06] <Amaranth> and nothing else has the horsepower and/or driver features to run Xgl
[01:07] <Amaranth> and xgl is effectively unmaintained both upstream and in ubuntu
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Kill kill kill!
[01:10] <Fujitsu> superm1: Can you also give the upstream version some extra bit that indicates it's modified? It had me very confused for a while, as diffstat showed hundreds of thousands of lines vanishing silently.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> .release. isn't particularly indicative of changes.
[01:11] <superm1> Fujitsu, sure
[01:12] <superm1> how'd this :
[01:12] <superm1> vlc (0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low
[01:14] <Fujitsu> That'd be nice, but is unfortunately long... maybe just +ubuntu1? Ideally we wouldn't need it in the first place :(
[01:14] <superm1> well doing it this way w/ a long string would make it easy to know what version though.
[01:14] <superm1> and until this x264/faad inclusion stuff is sorted
[01:15] <Fujitsu> I guess so. It'd be even better to have the full Ubuntu version string in there, but that won't work, and would be inconvenient for security updates (there always are a lot).
[01:17] <superm1> well i'll leave it with the whole thing for now.  it will give visibility that this static linking business needs resolution anyhow
[01:17] <Fujitsu> Thinking about it again, horrific version numbers are a good incentive to fix it!
[01:17] <superm1> :)
[01:18] <Fujitsu> I don't think it's as bad as Dapper mplayer's 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8.2. That's got three upstream versions of the same project, plus an epoch.
[01:19] <superm1> haha
[01:19] <superm1> that's crazy
[01:29] <mdomsch> superm1, ubuntu can carry US-patent-encumbered stuff like x264?
[01:29] <mdomsch> must be nice being incorporated in the Isle of Man
[01:30] <superm1> mdomsch, i'm not sure the history of what happened on the VLC package
[01:30] <Fujitsu> superm1: Hm, I've just noticed bug #204050.
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204050 in vlc "[FFe] PulseAudio output plugin support" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204050
[01:30] <superm1> how it came to be included directly in it like this
[01:30] <Fujitsu> superm1: I've just noticed that vlc pulls multiverse sources.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> And vlc is in universe.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> This is what we call a Big Problem.
[01:30] <superm1> so it needs to be downgraded to multiverse
[01:30] <superm1> we'll ask an archive admin to do that with this upload
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Preferably in all releases, but that's not going to happen.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> This is why we don't commit evils like pulling x264 sources in.
[01:31] <superm1> well hopefully there is a good reason why it has to be done this way
[01:31] <superm1> like i said, i just wrote a pretty rule to make it easier to do :)
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I know.
[01:32] <superm1> Fujitsu, i'll cancel my test build and add that patch too
[01:32] <Fujitsu> superm1: Great.
[01:32] <superm1> look what you convinced me into working on.  this is how mplayer started out too some time back.  one patch here, one there, next thing i know, i'm investing a few hours into debugging a build :)
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Mhm.
[01:33] <Fujitsu> I got mplayer to build again in Hardy.
[01:36] <superm1> it broke?
[01:36] <Fujitsu> It did.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> It even builds on all archs, which it hasn't before in Hardy.
[01:37] <Fujitsu> (it only built on i386 and amd64 because added libsvga1-dev to the build-depends, when it only exists on x86 archs)
[01:37] <Fujitsu> But the reason for its FTBFS was due to some CFLAGS changes, I believe.
[01:37] <Fujitsu> s/because/because you/
[01:39] <superm1> some changes I made to CFLAGS?
[01:39] <Fujitsu> Not yours, no.
[01:39] <superm1> i was gonna say, i dont remember touching them
[01:40] <Fujitsu> You added the build-dependency on libsvga1-dev.
[01:40] <superm1> oh.
[01:40] <superm1> yeah i remember doing that a long time ago
[01:41] <emgent> night people
[01:42] <Fujitsu> Night emgent.
[01:44] <superm1> Fujitsu, any others that I should roll up into this before queuing a build?
[01:44] <superm1> obj bug 196417 which is referenced from bug 204050
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196417 in vlc "vlc pulseaudio support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196417
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204050 in vlc "[FFe] PulseAudio output plugin support" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204050
[01:45] <Fujitsu> superm1: Not that I know of, but I don't know vlc well.
[01:46] <superm1> glancing through the bug reports, looks like a tun of crashy bugs
[01:46] <superm1> oh yeah this was the package i worked on that pre-empted my asking when LP will learn to send these all upstream
[01:46] <superm1> and just hearing "its in the pipeline"
[01:47] <Fujitsu> That's what one hears about LP bugs, unfortunately.
[01:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:54] <protonchris> Hey bddebian
[01:55] <bddebian> Hello protonchris
[01:55] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[01:55] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[02:26] <Fujitsu> superm1: Bug #206918 is the FFe.
[02:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206918 in vlc "[FFe] vlc 0.8.6e" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206918
[02:31] <superm1> thanks Fujitsu
[02:34] <Fujitsu> superm1: Just needs a bild and install log now, I believe.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> *build
[02:35] <superm1> yeah build is failing atm.
[02:35] <superm1> so will take some bit
[02:35] <superm1> i'm going to look at it after i eat
[02:37] <Fujitsu> A MOTU can never eat!
[02:47] <mneptok> ... another MOTU.
[02:47] <mneptok> (Bylaw 27 s. 12)
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Oh no! It's mneptok!
[02:47] <Fujitsu> ... without cause.
[02:47] <Fujitsu> (Ammendment 2)
[02:48] <StevenK> s/cause/just cause/
[02:48] <StevenK> (Ammendment 3a)
[02:48] <mneptok> "Why are you chewing my leg?"  "Just 'cause."
[02:51] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I was turning it into an Animal Farm-esque modified commandment.
[02:55]  * jdong contemplates ubuntu'ing this eeepc
[02:56] <jdong> the stock xandros works so decently I don't feel like changing it
[03:07] <ScottK> The last Xandros machine I used was shipped configured to automatically keep old conffiles without bothering the user.
[03:08] <ScottK> Not a hallmark of thoughtful design IMO.
[03:08] <jdong> ScottK: oh don't get me wrong, Xandros is hacked Debian beyond belief
[03:09] <jdong> ScottK: but as a tuxtype/supertux/firefox/mplayer machine for my little sister, it'll do just fine
[03:09] <jdong> I don't feel like spending 2 hrs getting Ubuntu up on it, then having to be the source of support when things start breaking a few weeks later :)
[03:10] <ScottK> The other bit I'll point out is that now that I see how many security updates Ubuntu pumps out, I'd have to classify Xandros security support (this was Xandros 3) as virtually non-existent.  Dunno if it's better now.
[03:10] <superm1> ScottK, would you care to comment on the pulse audio FFe for VLC.  I'm planning on rolling it up with the FFe for the newer version at the same time
[03:11] <jdong> ScottK: Asus and the EEE community has to cover xandros's behind on that.
[03:11] <ScottK> As long as you're going to fix it, it's probably OK superm1, but I haven't looked yet.
[03:11] <superm1> ScottK, let me give you some bug numbers.  sec
[03:12] <ScottK> superm1: I'm going to bed soon.
[03:12] <superm1> oh okay
[03:12] <superm1> no worries
[03:19] <jdong> ScottK: yeah just throwing in my 2c the pulseaudio patch for vlc looks okay, though I insisted they get a FFe because technically it is a feature addition.
[03:21] <ScottK> jdong: Makes sense.  Please comment in the relevant bug if you haven't.
[03:23] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Universe security support is virtually non-existent, too.
[03:25] <ScottK> Fujitsu: I wouldn't go that far.  Even in Universe we do way better than IME Xandros did.
[03:25] <Fujitsu> And for hardy we should do very well indeed.
[03:26] <jdong> Fujitsu: Xandros still doesn't have distribution patches for the Samba root exploit
[03:26] <Fujitsu> jdong: Hahaha.
[03:26] <jdong> Fujitsu: that's how bad it is.
[03:27]  * Fujitsu tries to get Xen working on Hardy.
[03:27] <jdong> Fujitsu: Asus has updates in their eeepc repo for it, a month late.
[03:27] <jdong> Fujitsu: meanwhile the eee user community provided 0-day updated debs
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Lovely.
[03:27] <jdong> no kidding
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Does the EeePC have an obvious updating feature?
[03:27] <jdong> so... I'd personally trust Ubuntu support :)
[03:27]  * ScottK wonders about 'security' fixes provided by the kindness of stranders.
[03:28] <jdong> Fujitsu: not particularly.....
[03:28] <jdong> Fujitsu: the update tool is labeled "add/remove software"
[03:28] <ScottK> stranders/strangers
[03:28] <jdong> Fujitsu: and it only shows updates to select apps shown on the simple launcher.
[03:28] <jdong> Fujitsu: interestingly the critical Samba update was not shown
[03:28] <jdong> Fujitsu: it was synaptic/apt-get that revealed it :)
[03:39] <txwikinger> Fujitsu: How do I patch a package that is included in form of a tar.gz?
[03:42] <ScottK> txwikinger: Tarball inside a Tarball?
[03:42] <txwikinger> yes ScottK
[03:42] <txwikinger> the inside tarball needs a patch
[03:42] <ScottK> Painfully.
[03:42] <txwikinger> Should really be fixed upstream .. I know
[03:42] <ScottK> I gave it up as not worth the trouble the one time I've run into it.
[03:43] <ScottK> Maybe Fujitsu will have a useful suggestion.
[03:43] <skwashd> hi all
[03:43] <txwikinger> It is a build-error so would be nice to be fixed
[03:43] <skwashd> how do i relate a bug report to motu-release?
[03:44] <ScottK> subscribe them
[03:44] <jdong> txwikinger: probably the patch target should depend on the rule that extracts the inner tarball
[03:44] <jdong> txwikinger: see firefox-3.0's build system
[03:44] <skwashd> schweeb: motu-release@ubuntu.com ?
[03:45] <txwikinger> jdong: thanks I will have a look
[03:45] <jdong> of course as a SRU this is all a pain in the *** and you should just find a sack of bricks to hit the packager with :D
[03:45] <skwashd> s/schweeb/ScottK
[03:45] <skwashd> damn auto complete
[03:45] <jdong> skwashd: oh I've done worse, I've tab-completed the punchline to an offense joke to a freenode staffer before :)
[03:46] <jdong> oops.
[03:46] <skwashd> jdong: when i am trying to offend people i make sure i have the right person :)
[03:48] <skwashd> i think i have done it right now ... well i hope anyway
[03:49] <skwashd> i think canonical could make more money offering LP training than ubuntu support
[03:49] <skwashd> maybe that is their long term plan
[03:53] <Fujitsu> txwikinger: You'll need to somehow patch it after the build extracts it. I don't know of any packages that do it, but there are a number.
[03:54] <Fujitsu> I'd look, but I'm a bit busy trying to get kernel oopses over netconsole.
[03:54] <txwikinger> Fujitsu: no problem
[03:54] <txwikinger> I will tinker a little
[03:56] <RAOF> Um.  The last comment on bug #194214.  What.  The.  Hell?
[03:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[03:58] <StevenK> RAOF: Errrr. Agreed.
[03:58] <jdong> RAOF: ROFL. nice.
[03:58] <jdong> I believe that's a case of TMI.
[03:58] <StevenK> Utterly
[03:58] <jdong> RAOF: but two posts back he says you're his hero
[03:58] <jdong> RAOF: aren't you proud?
[03:59] <RAOF> As punch!
[04:09] <Fujitsu> RAOF: You never know, it could be useful information. X may have a porn detector and change behaviour.
[04:11] <RAOF> Some sort of "autoscroll", maybe.
[04:11] <RAOF> Or possibly a safe-input mode.  Who knows!
[04:12] <Fujitsu> Anybody know how I can get kernel oopses written to disk? I can't get netconsole working.
[04:13] <RAOF> I seem to remember a LKML flamefest about a logging framework that would let you save such things to disc.
[04:13] <skwashd> ScottK: i am happy to discuss bug #206948 here if need more info
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206948 in phpgroupware "phpGroupWare should be included in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206948
[04:15] <superm1> Fujitsu, kdump
[05:05] <pleaseandthankyo> can i install ubuntu edubun xunbu kubuntu at the same time?
[05:06] <nxvl> pleaseandthankyo: yes, if you have a hard drive with a lot of free space
[05:07] <nxvl> pleaseandthankyo: but that's a question that you need to ask on #ubuntu, not here
[05:59] <pleaseandthankyo> ok installed xubuntu and and goubuntu  on top of edubuntu where are they now? and how do i load them?
[06:00] <Fujitsu> pleaseandthankyo: #ubuntu, please.
[06:23] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Can you please give bug #66206 your magical motu-tagging touch?
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66206 in malone "No advanced search option to search by bug privacy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66206
[06:23] <LaserJock> looking
[06:26] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, that's a bit unfortunate for trying to do SWAT work
[06:26] <nixternal> tell them to open source malone and we will add it :p
[06:26] <LaserJock> pfft, yeah right
[06:26] <nixternal> haha
[06:26] <Fujitsu> nixternal: I wish.
[06:26] <nixternal> I know, that is exactly the reason I said it
[06:27] <nixternal> I like to throw in LP and Free when either you or ScottK is around..it is fun :)
[06:27] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's particularly bad as toggling the security tag doesn't toggle the ubuntu-security subscription.
[06:27]  * Fujitsu is a rehabilitated version of ScottK.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Thanks for the vlc ack.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: y/w
[06:43] <superm1> too bad i still didn't get it to properly build :(
[06:43] <superm1> faad2 from within has the better of me right now.
[06:43] <superm1> i'm going to have to defer this until tomorrow evening
[06:44] <Fujitsu> superm1: The lack of quality of media players (ie. mplayer, vlc) is insane. So many security flaws, so delicate...
[06:45] <superm1> rather unfortunate that's the way it is too
[06:46] <Fujitsu> Indeed.
[06:48] <RAOF> I don't see such problems with Totem, Rhythmbox, Banshee, etc.  Is gstreamer better written, or do all these problems merely appear further down the stack, in gst?
[06:48] <Fujitsu> I think GStreamer just manages to not suck horribly.
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Although it also doesn't seem to play as much.
[06:48] <Fujitsu> And has sane devs.
[06:49] <nixternal> I am in 'playing video' hell...mplayer, vlc..none of them want to work for me lately
[06:49] <nixternal> got to the point that all vlc did was crash, so I uninstalled it
[06:49] <Fujitsu> nixternal: Try the new mplayer that I finally got built yesterday.
[06:49] <RAOF> I haven't encountered anything I couldn't play in quite a while.  On the other hand, I also don't aquire random samples of video in random containers with random codecs from teh intarwebs very much.
[06:49] <nixternal> Fujitsu: have you uploaded it yet?
[06:50] <Fujitsu> nixternal: I have. Just security fixes, but it now builds everywhere... more importantly it hasn't built in a while, and I want people to test it's not more broken :P
[06:51] <nixternal> ok, must have updated earlier w/o me noticing it
[07:35]  * StevenK found a HD video that he didn't have a codec for yesterday
[09:39] <\sh> moins
[09:43] <\sh> cody-somerville: dude, what do you need to get xubuntu rolling again?
[09:44]  * cody-somerville rubs his eyes.
[09:44]  * cody-somerville just woke up.
[09:45] <cody-somerville> Gotta get ready for work. Chat with you later \sh?
[09:46] <\sh> cody-somerville: ok :)
[09:46] <\sh> cody-somerville: see you this evening at the meeting
[09:46] <cody-somerville> :D
[09:47] <cody-somerville> Awesome. Chow! :)
[09:49] <Fujitsu> Any motu-release members around?
[09:49] <Fujitsu> Does the following count as a feature?
[09:49] <Fujitsu> * Patch to allow non-ASCII characters in notifications, etc.
[09:51] <\sh> Fujitsu: I would say no..but it's just me...not a motu-release dude
[09:51] <Fujitsu> It's part of Nagios 2.11, which has a security fix and several other bugfixes.
[09:52] <\sh> well, I would say, that when notifications were not there , and they were added, then it's a new feature...but changing notificiations to show non-ascii chars...is not a new feature, more a fix for an annoying bug ;)
[09:57] <\sh> waaaaa.....all seasons of southpark are online
[09:57] <\sh> for free at least
[09:58] <\sh> http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/ :) now I need an FLV downloader for it
[10:05] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: ^^
[10:10] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Do you think I need a FFe for the above?
[10:11] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I wouldn't think so, but others may see it differently.
[10:11] <TheMuso> It sounds more like a bug to me.
[10:11] <Fujitsu> It could be, right.
[10:29] <\sh> Fujitsu: upload ;)
[10:36] <txwikinger> Fujitsu: I think I figured it out :)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i would say no
[11:44] <Hobbsee> to your first qn
[11:44] <Hobbsee> oh, they're the same qn
[11:48] <mok0> Fujitsu: I can't grok this petsc problem...
[11:52] <Fujitsu> mok0: Can you see the difference in the configure.log?
[11:52]  * mok0 thinks
[11:53] <mok0> Fujitsu: Just to recap: I gave up on your suggestion of installing the older petsc version in my SID builder, because it gave a whole cascade of required packages.
[11:54] <ScottK> Fujitsu: Re Nagios I wouldn't call that a feature.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Lovely.
[11:54] <mok0> Fujitsu: I am now trying to build the newest SID version of petsc, but even that is giving me troubles
[11:54] <Fujitsu> ScottK: That seemed to be the general opinion. I filed a sync request some time ago.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> ScottK: Thanks.
[11:55] <ScottK> OK.  It's just starting the day here.
[11:55] <ScottK> So I'm torn....
[11:55] <mok0> ScottK: lovely sunshine here...
[11:56] <ScottK> SPE (Stani's Python Editor) had a new release yesterday which is in Debian and I've got a sync request in for (bugfix release).
[11:56] <ScottK> Today there's a new bug filed in Ubuntu against spe that says, oh BTW, I'm using the svn version.
[11:56]  * Fujitsu has evaded 3 FFes today.
[11:57] <mok0> Fujitsu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6090/
[11:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i doubt anyone's checking them or not anyway.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: of course, fi the turn out to be crack, then you will get yelled at, but...
[11:57] <ScottK> So do I mark it invalid because they aren't using the Ubuntu package or leave it since the svn version he's using is probably the same as what'll be in Hardy.
[11:57] <mok0> Fujitsu: Trying to build the merged 2.3.3-9
[11:58] <Fujitsu> They were all security fixes, or security fixes + other fixes.
[11:58] <mok0> You're in demand, Fujitsu, I'll just wait
[11:58] <Fujitsu> mok0: Looking.
[11:58] <Fujitsu> Debian bug #403078.
[11:58] <ubotu> Debian bug 403078 in petsc "petsc: doesn't build as root" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/403078
[11:59] <Fujitsu> The solution is to just not build it as root...
[11:59] <Fujitsu> How're you trying to build it?
[11:59] <bobbo> effie_jayx; are you still working on Bug #182049?
[11:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182049 in clustalw "man page -help vms reference wrongbi" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182049
[11:59] <mok0> fakeroot debian/rules build
[11:59] <mok0> Fujitsu: I can't even make a source package
[12:00] <Fujitsu> mok0: Does debuild -S not work/
[12:00] <mok0> Fujitsu: No
[12:00] <Fujitsu> What dies?
[12:00] <mok0> Fujitsu: oh, hang on
[12:02] <mok0> Fujitsu: it seems to work, but I get a bunch of [: 7: ==: unexpected operator
[12:02] <Fujitsu> mok0: It still seems to work OK.
[12:03] <mok0> Fujitsu: it's building now... hang on
[12:04] <mok0> ydrk, what an ugly build system...
[12:05] <mok0> Fujitsu: those unexpected operators warnings are usually due to a null variable
[12:10] <mok0> Fujitsu: ok, libpetsc2.3.3_2.3.3-9ubuntu1_amd64.deb was built
[12:11] <mok0> Fujitsu: (just a crude merge using "grab_merge")
[12:11] <Fujitsu> mok0: Great, I guess you should now try to build illuminator with it... hopefully it'll work.
[12:11] <mok0> I'll do that next
[12:13] <mok0> Fujitsu: arrg, I didn't remove all instances of the libspooles dep
[12:13] <mok0> :(
[12:16] <mok0> Fujitsu: No, I still get the "checking for PetscPrintf in -lpetsc... no" error
[12:22] <mok0> Fujitsu: Hmm, it has to do with the mpi component
[12:24] <Fujitsu> mok0: There was something in debian about LAM vs. OpenMPI or so. I forget.
[12:24] <mok0> Fujitsu: yeah, that's part of it
[12:28] <mok0> Fujitsu: I get this in config.log: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmpi
[12:28] <Fujitsu> mok0: Sounds like libpetsc-dev might want to depend on libopenmpi-dev.
[12:29] <mok0> yes
[12:32] <mok0> A lot of ScottK clones around here today :-)
[12:32] <ScottK2> Not as many as yesterday which is why this one got to three.
[12:33] <mok0> ScottK: :-) ...  thanks for taking serpentine off my hands btw. I was stressed out and fed up with not-applicaple upstream patches
[12:33] <RainCT> Hi
[12:36] <ScottK2> mok0: No problem.  I mostly got lucky as Debian took care of it and I could sync.
[12:36] <mok0> ScottK2: oh, good
[12:36] <ScottK2> mok0: Feel free to work on Bug #204895 as penance.
[12:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204895 in harvestman "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895
[12:40] <mok0> ScottK: The idea is that packages should use python-central instead of python-support, is that right?
[12:42] <ScottK2> mok0: No.  The idea is that some packages that use python-central hard coded stuff into debian/rules that now breaks the packages since python-central changed.
[12:42] <mok0> ScottK2: ok
[12:42] <ScottK2> mok0: You have to look at the build log and see why the package died.  About half these died for other reasons.
[12:46] <ScottK2> mok0: Feel free to fix the other reasons too ...
[12:47] <mok0> ScottK2: I will see if I can do something
[12:47] <ScottK2> mok0: Great.  Thanks.
[12:47] <mok0> atm I am working on the gfortran transistion
[12:48] <mok0> which is almost done
[12:53] <mok0> ScottK: I am not sure I like the new policy that you have to be an Ubuntu Member before you can join the MOTUs. There are 920 proposed members in that group, and that number is constantly rising.
[12:54] <ScottK2> mok0: Well the key point is that the MOTU Council also gets the ability to make people a member, so you don't get caught in the general backlog.
[12:54] <ScottK2> mok0: It's actually a reinstatement of an old requirement.
[12:54]  * ScottK2 had to go to the CC to get member status before I could apply to MOTU.
[12:55] <mok0> ScottK2: OK, the backlog concerned me. I can't see how 900 applications can ever get handled
[12:55] <ScottK2> IIRC, you can still get them at the same time.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> must be a motu meeting still
[12:55] <ScottK2> Yes.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> er, soon
[12:55] <ScottK2> Thursday/Friday depending on where you live.
[13:07] <mok0> Fujitsu: illumators build system is inconsistent in the way it understands the variable PETSC_DIR
[13:07] <Fujitsu> mok0: Oh goody.
[13:08] <mok0> Fujitsu: first it uses it to find a program called petscarch, where the variable needs to be set to "/usr"
[13:08] <Fujitsu> mok0: I'll be off to bed shortly; there's a security team meeting in a bit under 6 hours.
[13:08] <mok0> Fujitsu: another place it needs to be /usr/lib/petscdir/2.3.3
[13:09] <mok0> Fujitsu: Ok, I'll struggle with this stuff. I am annoyed that I can't figure out why the package builds on SID but not on hardy
[13:10] <mok0> Fujitsu: Probably some stupid little thing
[13:20] <mok0> Fujitsu: are you still here?
[13:21] <mok0> Fujitsu: one problem is that /usr/lib/libmpi.so -> /etc/alternatives/libmpi.so ->  /usr/lib/openmpi/lib/libmpi.so, which does not exist
[13:23] <ScottK2> mok0: Do you build-dep on libopenmpi-dev?
[13:24] <mok0> ScottK2: yes
[13:24] <ScottK2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libmpi.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=hardy&arch=any
[13:24] <ScottK2> claims that package provides that file.
[13:32] <mok0> Scott, yes, but the alternative links to lbimpi.so.0 which is not there
[13:33] <mok0> ScottK: the alternate link is wrong, it should point to libmpi.so instead
[13:33] <ScottK2> I see.
[13:33] <mok0> ScottK2: I don't know if that has happened on my local machine only when setting up the alternates
[13:34] <mok0> ScottK2: ... and I haven't grokked the alternate system yet
[13:34] <ScottK2> I guess have a look at the package and see.  It's a bit complex to write debian/rules for alternatives, but I think they are reasonable clear to read.
[13:35] <mok0> ScottK2: but is there a utility to manipulate them?
[13:35] <mok0> ah, update-alternatives
[13:36] <ScottK2> Yes.
[13:39] <mok0> Arrrrghh a cascading bug...
[13:40] <ScottK2> mok0: The good news is that you're finding the real root cause and dealing with it and not just papering over it.
[13:41] <mok0> ScottK: I guess...
[13:42] <ScottK2> I reasonable fraction of the Main uploads I've done since I got core-dev have been unpapering over and fixing problems, so I may be a bit sensitive on the matter.
[13:42] <ScottK2> I/A
[13:46] <mok0> I need to figure out how and where /etc/alternatives/libmpi.so is being set
[13:51] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Would you please ack Bug 207101?
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207101 in xml2rfc "Please sync xml2rfc 1.33.dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207101
[13:53] <mok0> I would like a pointer on how to fix this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098/
[13:55] <mok0> Ah got it
[13:55] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: done
[13:56] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[13:57]  * persia emerges from senescence to comment that update-alternatives is usually handled by postinst and prerm before submerging again
[13:57] <mok0> persia: thanks. Yes I found the culprit in libopenmpi-dev.postinst
[13:57] <mok0> now trying to see how I can fix it
[13:58] <mok0> .. and how update-alternative works in general
[14:00] <mok0> ... of course sudo ln -s -f works just fine :-)
[14:01] <\sh> grmpf
[14:01] <\sh> xvidcap segfaults
[14:02] <\sh> and recordmydesktop doesn't work with pulseaudio :(
[14:02] <\sh> or alsa somehow
[14:05] <\sh> jdong: ping...you touched xvidcap the last time..did you see any segfaults?
[14:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:07] <\sh> moins barry
[14:07] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[14:13] <ScottK2> mok0: If you need something sponsored so you can keep pressing forward, feel free to ping me.
[14:13] <mok0> ScottK2: Thanks. I've nailed the openmpi bug
[14:13]  * cody-somerville needs something sponsored :P
[14:14]  * mok0 though cody-somerville was already a MOTU!
[14:14] <mok0> cody-somerville: perhaps you didn't get your light saber yet?
[14:15] <cody-somerville> I'm waiting for it in the mail :)
[14:16] <cody-somerville> mok0, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-March/000953.html
[14:16] <mok0> cody-somerville: hmm. Beware of your light saber swinging postman...
[14:17] <mok0> cody-somerville: heh, yeah I saw that, and I also saw all the positive testimonials
[14:17] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:17] <cody-somerville> People are really just too kind ;]
[14:34] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:34] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[14:35] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[14:35] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:35] <cody-somerville> sistpoty|work, bddebian: Thanks for the kind words :)
[14:36] <bddebian> cody-somerville: NP :)
[14:36] <sistpoty|work> thanks for your work cody-somerville ;)
[14:36] <jdong> \sh: I didn't test it very thoroughly, it was a straight sync from debian-multimedia
[14:36] <cody-somerville> Heya \sh  :)
[14:37] <jdong> \sh: though the previous uploads for the past like 2 years never built
[14:37] <jdong> :)
[14:38] <mok0> Hmm. How can I quickly see if a package belongs to main or universe?
[14:38] <mok0> In LP
[14:39] <soren> mok0: You can't.
[14:39] <soren> afaik
[14:39] <mok0> soren: great (notI)
[14:39] <\sh> jdong: and now it segfaults ;)
[14:40] <\sh> hey cody-somerville
[14:41] <sistpoty|work> mok0: lp.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/<packagename> details thingy on the left, see component
[14:41] <james_w> mok0: it says on the left
[14:41] <cody-somerville> \sh, Did you want to talk shop? :)
[14:41]  * mok0 looks
[14:42] <durapraxis> Hi. can anyone tell me how to specify an apt source referring to an ssh server not running on port 22? I am able to use a server with the documented syntax, but I was not able to specify other port successfully (tried user@host:port and user@host::port, no luck).
[14:42] <mok0> james_w: huh? Don't see it
[14:42] <mok0> ah
[14:43] <soren> That's just the source package, though.
[14:44] <mok0> Typical of the confusing LP interface. In https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmpi/ you don't see that info, but in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy//+source/openmpi/ you do...
[14:44] <sistpoty|work> (I prefer packages.ubuntu.com/<package> or packages.ubuntu.com/src:<sourcepackage> though *g*)
[14:45] <mok0> sistpoty|work: yeah, another of the plethora of webpages you have to browse to get at the info you want. Grrrr
[14:45] <broonie> mok0: tbf, a package could move between releases.
[14:45] <mok0> broonie: sure, but there could still be links
[14:46] <soren> mok0: Er.. You *do* see it on the first page, too.
[14:46] <soren> mok0: At the top.
[14:46] <soren> mok0: but it's still just the source package.
[14:46]  * mok0 looks
[14:46] <soren> mok0: In the table there.
[14:46] <mok0> *blush*
[14:47] <mok0> ooops. over-reacting there..
[14:47]  * mok0 appologizes
[14:47] <\sh> cody-somerville: just tell me what you guys need to get xubuntu get rolling again for ibex?
[14:48] <mok0> cody-somerville: is this a bribe?
[14:48] <ScottK> mok0: There's a publishing history page for the package that shows Main/Universe
[14:48] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:48] <cody-somerville> \sh, Most man power :)
[14:48] <mok0> ScottK: Yes, very embarrassing.
[14:48] <ScottK> mok0: You aren't over-reacting IMO.  LP is painful IMO.
[14:49] <\sh> cody-somerville: what especially...packaging dudes, development dudes etc?
[14:49] <ScottK> mok0: I had a long IRC argument with SABDFL over that and lost.  It used to be on the main package page.
[14:49] <emgent> heya
[14:49] <mok0> ScottK2: It's what you expect, so when you don't see things immediately, things come to a boil :-)
[14:49] <soren> ScottK: Which page is "the main package page"?
[14:50] <mok0> The problem is that there are too many "views" in LP.
[14:50] <sistpoty|work> soren: oh nice... the component isn't there yet in stable though
[14:50] <mok0> ... and not enough links between them
[14:51] <soren> sistpoty|work: Oh, I see.
[14:51] <emgent> ScottK: CVE-2007-6341 will be published shortly :)
[14:51] <ubotu> Net/DNS/RR/A.pm in Net::DNS 0.60 build 654, as used in packages such as SpamAssassin and OTRS, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (program "croak") via a crafted DNS response. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6341)
[14:51] <mok0> For example, you cannot report a bug from a package page which is really dumb. (disclaimer: at least I can't see one)
[14:51] <ScottK> emgent: Great.  Thanks for your work on that.
[14:52] <cody-somerville> \sh, Well, packaging isn't too bad because mr_pouit has continued to be committed to helping with the xfce4 related packages and gauvain helps out here and there too
[14:52] <cody-somerville> \sh, But there is a distinction between packaging and development
[14:52] <cody-somerville> \sh, I'm currently the only individual helping "develop" Xubuntu.
[14:53] <ScottK> soren: Actually looking on edge, it's made it's way back on.  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix
[14:53] <cody-somerville> \sh, The testing department is also lacking
[14:54] <ScottK> mok0: I'm not the right person to talk to.  It's been explained to me by senior launchpad developers that because I do not agree that the current user interface is better than the old (pre-beta) interface my opinions on Launchpad are not credible.
[14:54] <cody-somerville> \sh, and I think you can also deduct that I intend to give Xubuntu more structure then my predecessors have. So advice, tips, and ideas on how to turb-charge Xubuntu and the Xubuntu community would be greatly appreciated.
[14:55] <\sh> cody-somerville: so...you will discuss this in todays meeting, right? I hope to get home early so I can attend the meeting...let's see what I can do :)
[14:55] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: it's at least much better than when we started using malone *g*
[14:55] <cody-somerville> \sh, Most certainly.
[14:55] <mok0> ScottK: Ah, so the interface is good _by_ _definition_ ;-)
[14:55] <tbf> broonie: ?
[14:56] <cody-somerville> \sh, There are three main objectives to the meeting:
[14:56] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: I get in trouble because I think it's declining.  IMO It peaked just before they cut over to the beta U/I.
[14:56] <mok0> Gotta run, see you guys later...
[14:56] <cody-somerville> 1) Discuss and find consensus for an Xubuntu mission statement
[14:56] <broonie> tbf: Oops, sorry - I was saying 'tbf' as sort for to be fair rather than trying to address you.
[14:56] <cody-somerville> 2) Determine the core objectives of Xubuntu
[14:56] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: Apparently because I can't see the inherent superiority of CSS over tables, I don't understand.
[14:57] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: So apparently in the Launchpad world things that are invisible to the user define the quality of the user interface.
[14:57] <cody-somerville> 3) and create a strategy for achieving those goals
[14:57] <cody-somerville> \sh, I'm hoping at the end of the meeting, myself and the other key contributors will have something concrete to show to the world.
[15:17] <sistpoty|work> jdong: mind looking at bug #204928
[15:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204928 in amule "[FeatureFreeze Exception] New aMule 2.2.0 pre-release snapshot and build with uPnP " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204928
[15:17] <sistpoty|work> ?
[15:19] <\sh> 3/window 15
[15:19] <\sh> blah
[15:19]  * Iulian smiles
[15:19] <Iulian> Oh no!
[15:26] <cody-somerville> persia, I'm a tiny bit confused about the e-mail I just got.
[15:26] <cody-somerville> persia, Does the MOTU Council plan to reschedule or just wait until the next regularly scheduled call to deal with those issue issues?
[15:26] <persia> cody-somerville: Not enough of us were present to have a real meeting.  The items listed were those items that ought to have been discussed, but weren't./
[15:27] <persia> I don't have an answer yet.  It's too soon after not enough of us were present to know if enough of us can get together to have this call at a new time.
[15:29] <cody-somerville> oh :(
[15:38] <juliank> bug #199696: I attached a debdiff to fix the problem, but it needs to be uploaded.
[15:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199696 in aria2 "Won't Install - tries to overwrite /usr/share/locale/locale.alias" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199696
[15:43] <jdong> sistpoty|work: I don't think I have anything useful to say about amule, I don't know much about it except people get VERY ANGRY when it's not the latest snapshot +/- 1 hour.
[15:43] <jdong> :D
[15:43] <sistpoty|work> heh
[15:44] <sistpoty|work> thanks jdong
[15:44] <jdong> sure, sorry I can't be of more help
[15:44] <mario_limonciell> jdong, that's the same way people get about myth :)
[15:44] <sistpoty|work> well, that was quite some help to me, actually ;)
[15:44] <jdong> wow this is the morning for learning things the hard way
[15:44] <jdong> (1) Fn-F2 does literally what one'd expect  it to do in the Eeepc
[15:44] <jdong> when "toggling" the wifi, the BIOS actually detaches it from the PCI bus.
[15:45] <jdong> (2) FreeBSD gets VERY VERY MAD when PCI devices suddenly go poof.
[15:45] <jdong> so mad that it decided to tell me about it enough times to overflow /var
[15:48] <rockstar_> I went to the class meeting yesterday and learned about fixing FTBFS packages.  I'm looking at one right now that has an error that "<dependency package> (still installed)"  Does that mean the package needs to be removed from its dependencies?
[15:55] <sebner> sistpoty|work: what do you think about http://incoming.debian.org/audacious_1.5.0-2_i386.changes ?
[15:55] <persia> rockstar_: Can you point to a build log?  More context might be helpful to understand your question.
[15:56] <rockstar_> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12784304/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.gtk-doc_1.10-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:56] <sistpoty|work> sebner: currently I'm thinking a) it's a link to a changes file b) I should stop reading mailing lists and c) I should get back to work ;)
[15:56] <sebner> sistpoty|work: ^^
[15:56] <sistpoty|work> damn, I'm procrastinating again *g*
[15:57] <durapraxis> Hi. can anyone tell me how to specify an apt source referring to an _SSH_ server _NOT_ running on port 22?
[15:57] <jdong> APT works over SSH?
[15:58] <sistpoty|work> sebner: yes, we should bring this in. is your sync request still open?
[15:58] <sebner> sistpoty|work: not synced yet, yes. Just change it + leave a message?
[15:59] <sistpoty|work> sebner: yes, update version and such (and set it to incomplete, until audacious source landed in unstable, should happen somewhen tonight iirc)
[15:59] <sebner> sistpoty|work: great. :)
[16:03] <persia> rockstar_: Best to find out why openjade was added to build-conflicts, and what is providing openjade now.  It may no longer be needed, or there may be something more subtly wrong with the dependency tree.
[16:04] <rockstar_> persia, yea, that's what I figured.  I just wanted to make sure before I went ahead with research.
[16:10] <sebner> sistpoty|work: test-build was fine. there shouldn't be any problems :)
[16:10] <sistpoty|work> sebner: great
[16:34] <tbf> sistpoty|work: what do you think? anything i can do for helping the FFe request to succeed?
[16:34] <sistpoty|work> tbf: which one are you referring to?
[16:35] <tbf> sistpoty|work: gnome-lirc-properties
[16:35] <tbf> let me grab the lp id
[16:36] <tbf> sistpoty|work: LP #192368
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192368 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please add gnome-lirc-properties" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192368
[16:36] <sistpoty|work> slangasek: would there be time for the archive admins to walk gnome-lirc-properties walk through source-new? (FFe for new ubuntu package, see above)
[16:40] <slangasek> sistpoty|work: I expect so, but can't really promise it
[16:41] <sistpoty|work> thanks slangasek
[16:41] <sistpoty|work> tbf: now you'll only need to find another motu-release member to approve it, e.g. ScottK ;)
[16:42] <amenado> a request, kindly include or modify these documents for 7.10 and the upcoming 8.04 please  https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/index.html  currently they are not available for these versions
[16:42] <tbf> sistpoty|work: ah, ok. thank you.
[16:42] <sistpoty|work> np
[16:43] <ScottK2> amenado: This isn't the right channel for such a request.
[16:44] <ScottK2> amenado: Is there an #ubuntu-doc channel?
[16:44] <ScottK2> tbf: Is the package ready for upload?
[16:44] <amenado> ScottK2->  i dont know, but some here knows the right contacts.. i dont
[16:45] <ScottK2> amenado: There is an #ubuntu-doc channel and that's the place to discuss it.
[16:45] <tbf> ScottK2: i have the source package, that's uploaded to revu, and i have built packages in the openismus ppa
[16:45] <tbf> ScottK2: guess a binary package is needed for upload?
[16:46] <ScottK2> tbf: No.  Source, but it needs two MOTUs to advocate for it.
[16:46] <ScottK2> sistpoty|work: I think the package ought to be advocated and ready for upload before we approve the FFe.
[16:46] <sistpoty|work> ScottK2: it used to be... are there new comments?
[16:47] <tbf> ScottK2: in revu the package is advocated by sistpoty and superm1: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2181
[16:47] <ScottK2> Ah.
[16:47] <ScottK2> OK.
[16:48] <ScottK2> tbf: Approved.
[16:49] <ScottK2> sistpoty|work or superm1: Would you please upload it.
[16:49] <tbf> ScottK2: thanks alot!
[16:49] <sistpoty|work> ScottK2: unless superm1 is faster, I'll do so once I'm home
[16:50] <ScottK2> mario_limonciell: ^^^
[16:50] <mario_limonciell> yeah I can handle that :)
[16:51] <ScottK2> It's a bad day when fixing a bug has to start with fixing the test driver to stimulate the bug ....
[16:51] <bddebian> heh
[16:52] <mario_limonciell> tbf, it's uploaded.  Thanks! :)
[16:54] <tbf> mario_limonciell: groovy! i have to thank you guys for reviewing and supporting it!
[16:57] <nixternal> hey mario lemonsquare...think your nick could be any longer there? how many times have we told ya, size doesn't matter :p
[16:59] <mario_limonciell> nixternal, actually it doesn't even fit my whole last name
[17:01] <nixternal> its that whole size thing :p
[17:12] <sistpoty|work> size does matter... at least when speaking of ints and pointers on amd64 *g*
[17:13] <ScottK2> True, but nixternal seems very focused on the size question.  It seems to come up regularly.  I wonder why ...
[17:13] <sistpoty|work> heh
[17:14] <jpatrick> ScottK2: jealousy
[17:22] <nixternal> haha, your heads are in the gutter
[17:23] <broonie> looking at the stars
[17:23] <nixternal> hehe
[17:25] <mok0> ScottK: I need a sponsor for Bug #207125
[17:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207125 in openmpi "[hardy] libopenmpi-dev creates dangling symlink in /etc/alternatives" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207125
[17:39] <ScottK2> mok0: Looking
[17:46]  * tsmithe pokes slomo_; you around?
[17:50] <effie_jayx> cody-somerville, I am willing tocontribute in whatever I can.. I can't come to the meeting I have to run to work
[17:50] <effie_jayx> cody-somerville, I shall keep an eye out for the log
[17:50] <cody-somerville> effie_jayx, okay, thanks :)
[17:51]  * effie_jayx loves xubuntu...
[17:51] <effie_jayx> I still have the first computer I ever bough with my own salary. and I owe that to xubuntu
[17:54] <cody-somerville> :)
[17:57]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[17:59] <maeldur> hi
[18:04] <norsetto> mok0: are you working on meep?
[18:05] <mok0> norsetto: I am looking at it as we speak :-)
[18:05] <ScottK2> Hell norsetto.
[18:05] <ScottK2> err
[18:05] <ScottK2>  Hello ....
[18:05] <ScottK2> Sorry
[18:05] <sebner> buona sera norsetto :) Nice to see you here again
[18:05] <norsetto> mok0: I just uploaded fftw, which should fix the ftbfs
[18:05] <ScottK2> norsetto: You have to push mok0 to apply for MOTU so he can be oldest.
[18:05] <mok0> :-)
[18:05] <norsetto> scottk2: is he THAT old ;-)
[18:06] <norsetto> sebner: hi there
[18:06] <mok0> I'm young at heart :-)
[18:06] <ScottK2> norsetto: Practically ancient.
[18:06] <broonie> Do you have any parent & child combos yet?
[18:06] <mok0> I have both :-)
[18:07] <broonie> I mean involved in Ubuntu.
[18:07] <mok0> None of my kids are geeks though :-(
[18:07]  * ScottK2 has kids that are sufficiently not into computers that when I switched them from Windows to Linux they didn't notice.
[18:07] <norsetto> mok0: ok, so your parents are :-)
[18:07] <sebner> ScottK: rofl. Hmm new ubuntu contributors. :P
[18:08] <mok0> norsetto: I'm afraid I'm the only one in my family. A disgrace it is
[18:08] <ScottK2> I've tried to interest them, but no luck so far.
[18:08] <mok0> ScottK2: You need to interest them in programming
[18:09] <ScottK2> One of them has done a little Python, but didn't stick with it.
[18:09] <ScottK2> My wife is learning shell scripting though.  She's the most likey candidate.
[18:09] <mok0> Ah!
[18:09] <sebner> xD
[18:09] <mok0> My wife writes HTML :-)
[18:09] <mok0> ... and a bit of PHP
[18:10] <norsetto> my wife cooks :P
[18:10] <sebner> yeah. new members for ubuntu women
[18:10] <sebner> norsetto: that's the best of all ^^
[18:10] <norsetto> sebner: yeah, my belly can witness :-(
[18:10] <mok0> Unfortunately my Ubuntu box here at home is dead.
[18:11] <sebner> ^^
[18:11] <mok0> norsetto: it's better getting a belly from good food, than from the traditional geek menu
[18:11] <sebner> or beer :P
[18:15] <ScottK2> mok0: openmpi uploaded
[18:15] <mok0> ScottK2: cool! Thanks!
[18:21] <pochu> from bug 207103 it looks like amulegui is linked against libbfd, but it isn't on my system... does anyone have an idea on why he gets that error?
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207103 in amule "amulegui doesn't start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207103
[18:29] <cody-somerville> jono_, You're still good for the meeting in 30 mins?
[18:30] <jono_> cody-somerville: yep
[18:30] <jono_> which channel?
[18:30] <cody-somerville> #ubuntu-meeting
[18:31] <jono_> ok cool
[18:35] <milli> ScottK2: any requests to pull in postgresql 8.2.7 and  backport to Feisty?
[18:35] <milli> some critical bug fixes there
[18:35]  * milli is pulling source from sid and compiling for now...
[18:35] <ScottK2> Looking
[18:36] <milli> looks like it's in Hardy/universe already...
[18:36] <milli> just not built
[18:37] <milli> (source)
[18:37] <ScottK2> It's built.
[18:37] <ScottK2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/postgresql-8.2/8.2.7-1
[18:37]  * milli is looking on wrong machine...  k
[18:38] <milli> well, I'm building it on Feisty... will report.
[18:38]  * ScottK2 hands milli https://launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug
[18:39] <ScottK2> Please include in the bug report a statement to the effect that it build, installs, and runs.
[18:42] <leonel> milli: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2008-March/008877.html    it's comming ..
[18:43] <milli> ah, ok.
[18:43] <ScottK2> milli: So nevermind about the backport, just enable feisty-proposed and be a tester.
[18:43] <milli> figured someone was on top it all... ;-)
[18:43] <ScottK2> leonel: Thanks.
[18:43]  * milli kills build
[18:44] <leonel> ScottK2:  hello ScottK2 !
[18:44] <ScottK2> leonel: Hello.
[18:48] <cody-somerville> There is an Xubuntu community meeting taking place in #ubuntu-meeting in roughly 15 minutes. If you're interested in getting involved in Xubuntu or are interested in the future direction of the project, please feel free to join us. For background information, please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-March/005242.html
[18:48] <milli> ty ScottK2 .  Is installed and running, no problems so far.  Web site front-end worky.  ;-)
[18:53] <ScottK2> milli: Great.  There should be a bug mentioning that update.  It's worth you commenting that it works.
[19:00] <emgent> ScottK2: ubuntu security meeting in #ubuntu-hardened
[19:04]  * norsetto <- dinner
[19:04] <LaserJock> is a diffstat (for a FFe) done on the .orig.tar.gz
[19:04] <LaserJock> or on a debdiff?
[19:05] <ScottK> LaserJock: Unpacked tarball without a debian dir in it.
[19:07] <LaserJock> 591 files changed, 48876 insertions(+), 52259 deletions(-)
[19:08] <LaserJock> I suppose that's not awesome for a microrelease
[19:08] <ScottK2> Wahoo.
[19:08] <ScottK2> Depens on what they are.
[19:08] <geser> LaserJock: was configure{,.in} also changed?
[19:09] <LaserJock> aclocal.m4
[19:09] <LaserJock> that's 6169 of it
[19:10] <geser> LaserJock: how big is the package?
[19:10] <LaserJock> 80+MB
[19:10] <nixternal> OK you regex gurus, need a little help with a funky watch file
[19:11] <ScottK2> Moving stuff can also cause misleading results LaserJock.
[19:11] <sebner> buona sera DktrKranz
[19:11] <geser> LaserJock: and the other 590 files are all code or also documentation
[19:11] <LaserJock> it's a lot of translation work it looks like
[19:11] <nixternal> pkg name:  foo-1.0~alpha2
[19:11] <nixternal> upstream is foo-1.0-alpha2
[19:11] <geser> and 590 changed files on a 80+MB package doesn't look that big
[19:11] <nixternal> how do I get my watch file to ignore that -alpha2
[19:12] <geser> nixternal: how does the watch file look currently?
[19:13] <nixternal> http://kblogger.pwsp.net/files/kblogger-(.*).tar.bz2
[19:14] <LaserJock> ok, so 40 files are Makefile.in, 9 are .po, 350 are .ogg, and 15 are .pngs
[19:14] <DktrKranz> hey sebner
[19:15] <Laney> Is there a page on the wiki or elsewhere that explains how the archives work? I'm thinking about NEW here
[19:16] <geser> Laney: what do you want to know about NEW?
[19:17] <Laney> Well I've seen people talking about it a few times, and a sync request I'm interested in has "(NEW)" next to it on Launchpad. I was just wondering what that means as I guess that's what's holding it back from the mirrors.
[19:20] <geser> nixternal: what about mangling the version in the watch file?
[19:21] <nixternal> hrmm, mangling might help
[19:21] <geser> nixternal: uversionmangle=s/-/~/
[19:23] <geser> or dversionmangle=s/~/-/
[19:23] <nixternal> uversionmangle worked
[19:40] <ScottK> mok0: Please let me know when you want sponsorship for an upload to fix the openmpi build failures.
[19:55] <Laney> james_w: ping
[19:55] <james_w> Hi Laney
[19:55] <Laney> james_w: Hey, was it you that proposed a packaking jam on ubuntu-uk?
[19:55] <james_w> yep
[19:55] <Laney> james_w: Ah, cool. Well I've added it to the meeting agenda for today at 2030 if you're interested in coming along
[19:56] <james_w> #ubuntu-uk?
[19:56]  * Laney nods
[19:56] <james_w> I missed the announcement. I'll be there after eating. Thanks for the heads up.
[19:56] <Laney> np :)
[20:09] <mok0> ScottK: ok, will do. I now need to wait for other library dependencies to update.
[20:09] <ScottK2> Sure thng.
[20:09] <ScottK2> Just let me know.
[20:59] <StevenHarperUK> Hi can anyone tell me if I have missed anything on my new candidate : bug #205984
[20:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205984 in easycrypt "Candidate revision easycrypt_0.2.2.10-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205984
[21:00] <StevenHarperUK> it is subscribed to : ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[21:00] <\sh> another bugfix=?
[21:00] <\sh> I'll do it :)
[21:00] <StevenHarperUK> \sh: yes I missed the revsion number in the about page
[21:01] <StevenHarperUK> \sh: thanks a lot : its the last one : promise :P
[21:03] <RAOF_> StevenHarperUK: I _hate_ doing that.  I now try to define the version _once_ (in autofoo) and use that everywhere :)
[21:06] <\sh> StevenHarperUK: uploading
[21:07] <\sh> StevenHarperUK: done
[21:08] <\sh> persia: thanks for uus team add :)
[21:16] <StevenHarperUK> \sh: thanks a lot
[21:17] <\sh> StevenHarperUK: np
[21:24] <mok0> dang! LP is sluggish
[21:33] <blueyed> somebody with ide devices around?
[21:34] <\sh> ide as in cdrom?
[21:35] <blueyed> ide as in /sys/bus/ide/devices/*/block*
[21:36] <\sh> hmm...needs to boot up the other desktop
[21:37] <blueyed> \sh: not that important.. I think it's the same as with "scsi".. bug 89269..
[21:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89269 in acpi-support "power.sh: wrong laptop_mode activation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89269
[21:37] <blueyed> It seems like hdparm gets never called in laptop_mode_{disable,enable}!
[21:37] <rockstar_> Is there a faster download mirror for the hardy beta?
[21:38] <blueyed> rockstar_: torrents are usually fast.
[21:38]  * rockstar_ didn't even think of the torrent
[21:41] <JediMaster> Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm building some packages for a mysql utility I'm writing that I would like to eventually get into ubuntu, but I'm testing it at the moment. I've got the package and installer working fine, but I'm having trouble finding any info at all about signing the package so that I don't keep getting warnings about the package not being authenticated when atp-get install/updating
[21:48] <geser> JediMaster: it's not the signing of the package but the signing of your repository
[21:48] <mok0> JediMaster: you need to have a gpg key
[21:48] <\sh> blueyed: ah so I need also a laptop...well..this will be a problem :)
[21:48] <\sh> but ok..good night folks
[21:48] <JediMaster> ahh, that makes sense, it's been a long time since I've touched GPG =)
[21:49] <blueyed> \sh_away: well, no.. I only wanted to confirm that it's broken for "ide", too.
[21:49] <JediMaster> geser / mok0: don't suppose there's any docs anywhere about signing repositories?
[21:50] <mok0> JediMaster: like geser said, you sign the repository files Packages and Release (AFAIR)
[21:50] <mok0> JediMaster: with a detached signature, which is put in Release.gpg
[21:50] <geser> JediMaster: you need a Release and Release.gpg and apt knowing the key you signed the archive with
[21:51] <JediMaster> ok, will try that, don't think I've got a Release file at all yet, will create that now, thanks guys
[21:56] <JediMaster> next silly question =): Is there a utility to update the Release file with all the MD5 sums?
[21:58] <lifeless> apt-ftp
[21:58] <JediMaster> ta
[22:08] <mok0> JediMaster: ... and reprepro, falcon, mini-dinstall
[22:08] <mok0> JediMaster: there are several flavours of utilities that can be used to create archive
[22:09] <JediMaster> ohh reprepro signs the repos too =)
[22:09] <JediMaster> thanks again mok0
[22:10] <mok0> JediMaster: np
[22:10] <mok0> JediMaster: yeah it's quite nifty
[22:28] <JediMaster> mok0: hmm nifty... reminds me of that old online comic, what the heck was it called? lol
[22:29] <mok0> JediMaster: Heh, don't know actually
[22:29] <JediMaster> sluggy! that was it =)
[22:29]  * mok0 googles sluggy
[22:29] <JediMaster> I take it you're from the uk? Nifty is a pretty british thing to say =)
[22:30] <mok0> JediMaster: I am from Denmark
[22:30] <mok0> JediMaster: are you USArican?
[22:31] <JediMaster> nope, from Engiland ;-)
[22:31] <mok0> Hehe, ok
[22:32] <mok0> ... I thought you were going to say Courisant :-)
[22:35] <RainCT> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused')
[22:35] <RainCT> any idea why I get this? :S
[22:35] <JediMaster> mok0: not that sad ;-)
[22:36] <mok0> RainCT: can you connect manually?
[22:36] <JediMaster> and it's "Coruscant" =D
[22:36] <mok0> JediMaster: ah, of course, the spelling... you would know, of course :-)
[22:36] <emgent> ScottK2: USN too is out :)
[22:37] <RainCT> mok0: ftp: connect: Connection refused
[22:37] <JediMaster> mok0: what, with living there and all
[22:37] <JediMaster> mok0: just trying to figure out reprepro (what a mouthful)
[22:37] <norsetto> is upload.ubuntu.com down?
[22:38] <mok0> norsetto: It looks dead from here
[22:38] <norsetto> RIP ....
[22:38] <mok0> JediMaster: It's not that bad, actually
[22:38] <JediMaster> connection refused from here (uk)
[22:39] <emgent> heya norsetto :)
[22:39] <mok0> JediMaster: there's a single config file IIRC
[22:39] <RainCT> well, I'm going to sleep... good night :)
[22:39] <norsetto> heya emgent
[22:43] <Nightrose> A
[22:44] <Nightrose> sorry cat on keyboard :P
[22:44] <crimsun> Fujitsu: RE: vlc+bundled x264&faad -> hysterical raisins
[22:44] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Any way to remove said hysterical raisins?
[22:45] <crimsun> Fujitsu: haven't investigated for the newer versions.  I did for breezy, but I suspect things have changed.
[22:45] <geser> Nightrose: and your cat hit only 'A'?
[22:45] <crimsun> by the time I had it decently working, freeze was upon us
[22:46] <crimsun> I'll see if I still have the diffs on another FS
[22:47] <Fujitsu> crimsun: I might have a look at what Debian does for Intrepid.
[23:01] <norsetto> g'night folks
[23:47] <JediMaster> does anyone here use reprepro? I'm having trouble finding much documentation relating to signing the repos with gpg/reprepro