[01:00] <hilands> hi
[01:00] <hilands> very new here... anyone can help?
[01:01] <kgoetz> !anyone
[01:01] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:02] <hilands> thanks.
[01:02] <hilands> bye.
[01:03] <ogra_cmpc> hmm seems that needs rephrasing
[01:04] <ogra_cmpc> (if people run away screaming something must be wrong)
[01:05]  * kgoetz suspects theres a language barrier
[01:06] <ogra_cmpc> "Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?" should become easier grammar then i think
[01:07] <ogra_cmpc> (but then i didnt even know about the !anyone factoid :) )
[01:08] <kgoetz> :)
[01:11] <lns> how about "it's not rude to just ask the actual question" ...maybe a bit sarcastic.. =p
[01:13] <kgoetz> harder for people with bad english
[01:13] <ogra_cmpc> but easier to understand for non natives
[01:14] <ogra_cmpc> "just ask the actual question"
[02:31] <lns> it would be easy for us to just say "Ask"
[02:31] <lns> =p
[02:31] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[02:32] <lns> actually what would be cool is to have a bot that somehow can grep certain phrases
[02:32] <lns> and autorespond, like the other ones
[02:37] <lns> i'm no advanced scripter and i have no idea how bots work but i'm sure certain things like "if login <= 1min && statement contains "ask" or "question" then autorespond" or whatever syntax applies
[02:39] <ogra_cmpc> thats tricky to write without having tons of false positives
[02:40] <ogra_cmpc> "if you want to log in the progam will ask for a password"
[02:40] <ogra_cmpc> slap ... you get poked by a bot
[02:41] <ogra_cmpc> you need some good AI skills to write something thats good enough
[02:44] <lns> i guess so
[02:45] <lns> i know some chan bots will just give you an initial message (not the topic) that say things like that, or give simple help msgs
[02:45] <lns> right when you log in
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> you can register messages with chanserv ... i think #ltsp uses that
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> but thats actually what the topic is supposed to be for
[02:46] <lns> yea
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> thaats what every user sees first on login
[02:47] <ogra_cmpc> sadly its read rarely
[02:47] <lns> exactly
[02:48] <lns> and i'd hate to go all windows and have little bubbles start popping up saying "you have unused desktop icons" "you have updates" "your antivirus is out of date", like lame reminders to do stuff you should be doing already
[02:49] <lns> maybe a disclaimer when you join the server that says "Will you just ask the question if you have one? (Y/N)"
[02:49] <lns> =p
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> hey gnome power manager now tells you that yu closed your lid :)
[02:49] <HedgeMage> and "buy milk" and "you are overdue for a dental exam" and "call your mother" ;)
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> and that you opened it
[02:49] <lns> HedgeMage, ha
[02:50] <lns> Unfortunately windows makes me most of my money right now, and every time i have to rebuild winxp i get so frustrated with all of the things i have to turn off just to feel like i have control
[02:54] <HedgeMage> lns:  thankfully I work solely with Linux
[02:57] <lns> HedgeMage, do you work with edubuntu primarily?
[02:57] <lns> I'm steering my business toward linux-only (*buntu/LTSP installs)... I'm not planning on supporting Vista in any respect
[02:57] <lns> and want to focus on the educational sector
[02:58] <lns> it's really what ltsp is best for i think
[02:58] <lns> plus, you're exposing so many young people to linux, and that's invaluable for the future
[02:58] <ogra_cmpc> its best for everything where you use more than one machine
[02:58] <lns> ogra_cmpc, agreed
[02:58] <HedgeMage> lns:  I use edubuntu in my volunteer work, but at work I use ubuntu, debian, and gentoo
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> the major savings you have is not the TCO ...
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> its neither the maintenance costs
[02:59] <HedgeMage> it's your sanity?
[02:59]  * HedgeMage ducks
[02:59] <ogra_cmpc> the most you save is on your power bill
[02:59] <HedgeMage> ahh
[03:00] <ogra_cmpc> running 10 TCs vs 10 workstations saves you about 80% of power
[03:00] <lns> that's another thing
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> i'm stil trying to get my hands on maddogs talk from the last ubuntulive conf  ...
[03:01] <lns> ltsp is naturally green (as long as you're not using workstations with spinning hard disks as thin clients)
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> he presented a project that aims to set up 175000 thin clients (some with own flash based boot os)
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> all over sao paolo
[03:01] <lns> ogra_cmpc, hehe..i watched one of maddog's speeches a couple months ago, he's funny for how geeky he is =) and that's cool
[03:02] <lns> wow
[03:02] <lns> ogra_cmpc, koolus?
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> i think koolu was founded for that project initially but not sure
[03:03] <lns> i've got a koolu thin client, it's nice, minus the whole geode issue
[03:03] <lns> once that's fixed i want to sell those primarily, standardize on a certain hardware set
[03:03] <ogra_cmpc> in any case he has some really impressive numbers in tese slides
[03:03] <ogra_cmpc> it should be fixed with Q-Funks backport
[03:04] <lns> i used q-funk's backport, i was still having resolution issues (couldn't autodetect above 800x600)
[03:04] <ogra_cmpc> i have no such HW so its hard to test or fix for me
[03:04] <lns> unless he's updated it within the past week
[03:04] <lns> ogra_cmpc, if you'd like i can ship mine to you
[03:04] <lns> i wouldn't mind
[03:04] <lns> as long as i got it back ;)
[03:04] <ogra_cmpc> lns, i usually have the manufacturers send me free samples
[03:05] <lns> cool, that's what i did with koolu too
[03:05] <lns> just do me a favor and specify what KIND of shipping you want
[03:05] <lns> i ended up with a hundred dollar shipping bill for 2 thin-clients
[03:06] <lns> not very funny on their part
[03:06] <ogra_cmpc> when i met in boston with maddog at the last UDS we somehow both forgot to talk about that, i think though he gave one to our hw certification guys
[03:06] <lns> oh cool
[03:06] <lns> yeah i know ubuntu and koolu are very tightly knit
[03:06] <ogra_cmpc> i'll poke cr3 to do some testing with hardy so i get some info how far the driver is
[03:07] <lns> afaik what was found was that x was failing to autoprobe settings in the geode driver
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> x was failing because nobody ported the amd driver to the new xorg core code  ...
[03:09] <lns> =p minor detail
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> the one person that worked on it only cared to make the driver work on OLPC
[03:09] <lns> ugh
[03:09] <lns> that kind of stuff irritates me..
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> which it does wonderfully on redhat ...
[03:10] <lns> standards people! geez
[03:11] <lns> in their defense i know it was extremely difficult to get the geode driver done anyway, nobody from amd was allowed to help
[03:11] <ogra_cmpc> silly politics
[03:12] <lns> seriously
[03:12] <lns> when will business grow up
[03:12] <lns> google has proven that you can still be a billionaire and SHARE
[03:12] <lns> and intel
[03:12] <lns> and ibm
[03:13] <lns> amd is getting there though
[03:13] <lns> i'm sure it is very hard to shed the skins of the past
[03:13] <ogra_cmpc> its harder to please your shareholders
[03:14] <ogra_cmpc> and thats what counts most for all on your list
[03:14] <lns> unfortunately
[03:14] <lns> oh well, there must be balance
[03:14] <ogra_cmpc> as long as you ignore that minor detail, they are all cuddly wolves
[03:15] <lns> yep
[03:16] <lns> i plan on expanding my business and making ltsp in educational environments as widespread as i can
[03:16] <lns> i'm getting such good feedback from my current customers, and the overhead is so small
[03:16] <ogra_cmpc> i'd also look for small offices etc
[03:16] <lns> especially compared to my other windows clients
[03:16] <lns> well, in my experience anyway, in offices no matter how small, people are just so scared to "make the jump"..they are there to make money too
[03:17] <ogra_cmpc> ten clients on a remotely maintained ubuntu server you get paid a monthly fee for
[03:17] <lns> right, but i can also do that for education
[03:17] <lns> also, businesses always have that one windows app they must have
[03:18] <lns> i'm not ruling it out
[03:18] <lns> i just think it's much easier to get educational-sector clients for this kind of thing, especially the cost factor and the green factor
[03:18] <lns> plus, a triple-bonus for me, is that i can say i'm exposing hundreds of kids to linux
[03:18] <ogra_cmpc> let them show you their bills for repairing and maintainance for getting external guys in and makle them add up how much waiting time they have where the employess cant work ...
[03:19] <lns> and they'll take that with them when they look for a job or get more into computers
[03:19] <ogra_cmpc> then show them that ubuntu cdosts only 10% of that and leave a liveCD there ;)
[03:19] <ogra_cmpc> *costs
[03:19] <lns> i totally agree w/you
[03:19] <lns> it's my clients that don't..i have tried to push linux in with business before, the furthest i've gotten is on the server
[03:20] <lns> take one for example, a small civil engineering firm
[03:20] <lns> they HAVE to have autocad - not an option
[03:20] <lns> otherwise they've said more than once they would go to linux on the desktop
[03:21] <lns> and it's too critical to entrust to wine/other hacks
[03:21] <ogra_cmpc> a central vmware server
[03:22] <lns> but i've had overwhelming support and success for schools and after-school clubs that want to have technology for their youth
[03:22] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[03:22] <lns> and kids love tux, so... =)
[03:22] <lns> i would use vmware
[03:22] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[03:22] <lns> but that, to them, is too much of a hassle just to "have linux"
[03:22] <lns> they'd rather spend the money and get windows
[03:25] <ogra_cmpc> ugh ... 4:30 ... i should probably go to bed
[03:25] <lns> haha
[03:25] <lns> sleep well
[04:02] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I want to remove the permission for sudo from regular users. What do I have to do? Is there a possibility that it may cause some problems?
[05:44] <calimer> anyone with any copyright license knowledge in here?
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably
[05:48] <calimer> I have a guy who donated some content to a free doom 3 modification that I work on a while ago, and I ended up having to kick him out of the community do to his behavior and now he is saying he doesn't want his stuff in my mod and that I would be violating his copyright to keep it included
[05:48] <calimer> is this accurate?
[05:48] <calimer> or since I already have permission from him to use it from the past, does he not have the right to now say that I can't use it?
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably a bit OT for here. but if you have "written" permission to use it on the old licence, you can keep using it
[05:50] <calimer> there was no real license or agreement except that he said I could use it and sent it to me
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> the written is for your proof, fyi. IANAL, TINLA
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> hrm
[15:20] <ogra_cmpc> italc wasnt in the -desktop deps ... but the seed change applied so it was in the task of netinstall
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> what a mess
[15:36] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: so what are the consequences ?
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> that i had to upload a new edubuntu-desktop to fix it
[15:37] <RichEd> does it need a manual apt-get install now ?
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> yes
[15:37] <ogra_cmpc> until tomorrow
[15:37] <RichEd> well that's not such a long wait ... given the greater scheme of things
[15:37] <RichEd> :)
[15:40] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: i'm busy with the zsync now 47% ... will install tonight
[15:40] <RichEd> and let you know if any of my problems persist
[15:40] <ogra_cmpc> well, thats what i meant this morning with "it constantly improves"
[15:41] <ogra_cmpc> i'm currrently writing fixes for all app starters to force fullscreen on apps like gcompris and tuxtype ...
[15:41] <RichEd> and stgraber's instructions I sent on to intel had a "how to check if it is there, or get if not" section
[15:41] <RichEd> so i am sure intel can manage :)
[15:41] <ogra_cmpc> until thats in the installer they riun windowed in 800x600 which puts half of them off screen etc
[15:42] <RichEd> b.t.w. due to the wireless network not being available to network manager, ffox always starts up in offline more
[15:42] <RichEd> damn annoying
[15:42] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, its tied to n-m now
[15:42] <ogra_cmpc> evolution as well
[15:42] <RichEd> i hope the new image sees the card automatically
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> well, i didnt change anything in the wlan area
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> neither dis the kernel change between the images
[15:43] <ogra_cmpc> *did
[15:44] <ogra_cmpc> so its unlikely it behaves differently, i guess there is a debugging session with you and asac needed to find the bug
[15:52] <RichEd> okay ... i may have some older chipset or something ...
[15:52] <RichEd> any chance of sending that mail on the anti-theft issue ?
[15:53] <RichEd> our meeting starts in 8 mins ...
[15:53] <ogra_cmpc> \you cant have a different chipset ...
[15:55] <RichEd> is there any chance it is because my wireless router is not set up to autoconfigure clients with dchp & default g/w etc
[15:55] <RichEd> i would assume not ... and that the classmate should see the wlan even before it attempts to connect
[15:56] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: see /msg over across on the other server
[16:40] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: you here ?