[00:00] <algyz> Erickj92:  could it be, that your ISP is blocking 80 port?
[00:01] <kgoetz> Erickj92: whats your ip/hostname?
[00:01] <Erickj92> algyz, no im paying $5.00 to be able to do this
[00:01] <flipstar> @_@
[00:01] <Erickj92> kgoetz, 208.74.245.182
[00:02] <siso> Any ideas why my external Firewire drive won't mount on Feisty
[00:02] <siso> ?
[00:02] <kgoetz> Erickj92: i have a telnet session open to port 80 on that IP
[00:02] <kgoetz> s/80/443
[00:03] <Erickj92> kgoetz what does that mean?
[00:03] <kgoetz> Erickj92: it means something is listening on port 443. its not https though, whatever it is
[00:04] <Erickj92> kgoetz is there anything i can do about it?
[00:04] <flipstar> Erickj92: i see you have a router..
[00:04] <Erickj92> flipstar, yeah
[00:04] <flipstar> did you configured it..?
[00:04] <Erickj92> yeah
[00:04] <Erickj92> with forwarding at leaste
[00:05] <flipstar> hm you probably cant open ports there..?
[00:05] <siso> Any ideas?
[00:05] <flipstar> siso: whats the error while mounting ?
[00:06] <siso> Just won't mount....can't see it on the desktop or in konqueror at all, and mount won't do anything in Konsole either
[00:06] <happytiger> Any idea how come I cant to tab in konsole in hardy heroen to complete say ... sudo aptitude update or dist-upgrade. I used to be able to write sudo aptitude dist<TAB>  and it would write -upgrade automatically ??
[00:06] <siso> Worked fine, no configuration under Dapper
[00:06] <flipstar> happytiger: you maybe have to install bash-completion
[00:06] <Erickj92> flipstar, where an i supposed to open the ports then?
[00:07] <flipstar> Erickj92: i dont know much about alcatel routers but maybe it has a webinterface or so..
[00:07] <happytiger> hmm it does work with completion for local files and dirs thogh ...
[00:07] <Erickj92> flipstar, linksys
[00:07] <flipstar> happytiger: then check in bashrc if "interactive bash completion" is enabled
[00:07] <Erickj92> i have done the web interface
[00:07] <flipstar> happytiger: btw #ubuntu+1 for hardy
[00:08] <happytiger> oki thx
[00:09] <happytiger> flipstar: bash-completion did the trick thx man
[00:09] <siso> flipstar, i can see you're busy, anybody else have ideas? (no sarcasm, flipstar)
[00:13] <plooper> hi, my laptop has started behaving oddly. When I get into kde the keyboard doesnt work, numlock, caps, scroll lights dont work and when I try to go to terminal ctrl+F* the type is very big and I cant see where Im typing as the cursor goes off the bottom of the screen
[00:13] <plooper> but sometimes it works okay :)
[00:13] <plooper> the working okay seems to be getting rarer and rarer
[00:13] <kgoetz> plooper: has it happneed after an update?
[00:13] <kgoetz> *happened
[00:14] <plooper> kgoetz: dont think so
[00:14] <asobi> what's an audio editor for kde? i like to crop a mp3 and save it as a new file
[00:14] <plooper> I dont tend to update linux
[00:14] <plooper> cos this kinda think happens :)
[00:14] <algyz> asobi:  audacity
[00:15] <CapitalT> Hi, can anybody tell what the purpose with the dd process that's always running?
[00:15] <kgoetz> plooper: could be a hardware problem
[00:15] <plooper> Dont think so, vista is fine
[00:15] <asobi> thanks
[00:16] <kgoetz> if updates arnt breaking it and its not hardware your running out of options ;)
[00:17] <algyz> CapitalT:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix)
[00:18] <CapitalT> I know what dd is, I just don't know why is it always running (as root even)
[00:18] <Arwen> I finally figured out why recent fglrx versions were nuking my login screen
[00:18] <BluesKaj> Arwen, share yer secret with us :)
[00:19] <sudobash> yes
[00:19] <Arwen> if anyone cares, it's because the latest drivers use the 3-d engine to render 2-d and so XAANoOffscreenPixmaps has to be turned on to prevent your screen from turning into garbage.
[00:19] <Arwen> too bad I'm running on Gentoo now :\
[00:19] <sudobash> ouch
[00:19] <algyz> CapitalT:  if it is not using lots of resources, then it is not a problem, isn't it? :)
[00:19] <bascule> CapitalT: it is comitting the log from /proc to a static permanent file, ps aux will show it as /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[00:19] <sudobash> my Nvidia drivers dont work and it corrupts GDM and XORG when i come to login screen so i disabled it and just go through startx
[00:20] <BluesKaj> is XAANoOffscreenPixmaps a default app that just needs enabling ?
[00:20] <kgoetz> Jucato: ping? can you forward Czessi to #fix your connection?
[00:20] <algyz> sudobash:  try sudo nvidia-xconfig, maybe it will help
[00:20] <Arwen> BluesKaj, it's an xorg.conf parameter
[00:20] <derdui> Hi does anybody know how to install quickly hard, with the terminal?
[00:21] <derdui> ive heard, that theires an special command
[00:21] <CapitalT> bascule: thanks
[00:21] <bascule> welcome
[00:21] <algyz> derdui:  what you mean "install", maybe mount?
[00:22] <derdui> i whanto to upgrade from gutsy to hardy algyz
[00:22] <kgoetz> Riddell: jpatrick ping? could you "fix" czessi?
[00:22] <Jucato> kgoetz: hold on. we're trying to resolve it
[00:23] <kgoetz> Jucato: thanks
[00:23] <plooper> kgoetz: A big hammer
[00:23] <algyz> derdui:  sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list, change all "gutsy" into "hardy", then sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:23] <plooper> or fedora
[00:24] <derdui> oki, algyz every source i finde with gutsy change?
[00:25] <bascule> what is ##fix_you ?
[00:25] <kgoetz> bascule: meant to be ##fix_your_connection
[00:25] <algyz> derdui:  edit>replace, then type in tex to find "gutsy", replacement text - "hardy"
[00:25] <bascule> what's it do kgoetz ?
[00:26] <Jucato> bah!!
[00:26] <kgoetz> bascule: it forwards Czessi_ to a channel called ##fix_your_connection until he stops join flooding
[00:26] <bascule> ah I see, thanks
[00:26] <kgoetz> np :)
[00:27] <BluesKaj> flooding ?...what flooding ?
[00:27] <NickPresta> Does anyone have a problem with OOo? Whenever I open up any OOo application, there are no window decorations and everything opens up full screen by default.
[00:27] <kgoetz> BluesKaj: join/part flood
[00:27] <BluesKaj> ok
[00:27] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you don't have join/parts visible probably
[00:28] <yakuzi> NickPresta: do you run compiz-fusion?
[00:28] <bascule> I have them turned off in bog chans, to nasty on the eyes :)
[00:28] <bascule> big*
[00:28] <NickPresta> yakuzi, yep. I'm about to disable it to see if its a compiz/emerald problem
[00:28] <Greenery> Jucato: Czessi in #kubuntu-kde4 also
[00:28] <_dennister> k solved a prob with apache2 that developed since my purge/reinstall...gonna reboot now and see if it's all on the right port now
[00:28] <BluesKaj> I do but , some ppl have probs and the font colour is not bright
[00:28] <Jucato> I don't have that luxury :/
[00:28] <kgoetz> heh
[00:29] <yakuzi> NickPresta: well when i try to run compiz-fusion, i don't have window decorations at all so it may be your problem when using OOo...
[00:29] <NickPresta> yakuzi, well, it just affects the OOo application. I have decorations for everything else.
[00:30] <yakuzi> NickPresta: some small bug maybe, you can always try without compiz heh
[00:30] <sigmounte> anyone have the same problem ("apply" button on screen resolution configuration interface are always grey , and don't allow to change anything
[00:30] <NickPresta> yakuzi, yeah. It appears to be a cf problem. I'll ask in compiz-fusion.
[00:30] <Jucato> Greenery: looks like his connection is fixed now...
[00:31] <algyz> sigmounte:  if you have nvidia video card, try it's configuring utility
[00:31] <sigmounte> i'm using an ATI (firegl mobility)
[00:32] <algyz> sigmounte:  does it have any configuration utility? If yes, try to use it.
[00:34] <Arwen> sigmounte, FireGL? as in the workstation chips?
[00:34] <slylyias> when I ssh to another box, I can't use my mouse with xwindow applications, why?
[00:34] <flipstar> err when will ubotu be usable again :/
[00:34] <Jucato> flipstar: in what sense?
[00:34] <flipstar> !info app
[00:34] <kgoetz> seems to be active
[00:34] <flipstar> doesnt work
[00:34] <sigmounte> Arwen, it's a FireGl T2 (thinkpad T42p)
[00:34] <Jucato> ah yeah !info.. hold on
[00:35] <sigmounte> algyz, i have not found any ati*  utility in the shell
[00:35] <algyz> !ati
[00:35] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:35] <flipstar> and !find also..but guess thats the same issue
[00:35] <slylyias> when I ssh to another box, I can't use my mouse with xwindow applications, why?
[00:36] <Jucato> flipstar: known issue... please stand by :)
[00:36] <kgoetz> slylyias: eg?
[00:36] <flipstar> okay cool ¦)
[00:46] <monolith> I've recently restored to a backup image of 7.10 after a boched install of the 8.04 beta. And now, for some obscure reason. Parts of my music are missing. Not like whole chunks. But whole parts. Like. in Sgt. pepper, half the lyrics are missing. In Matilda Mother some of the backing music is gone. BUt the files are fine, they play perfectly on other devides. What on earth could cause this?
[00:46] <derdui> does anybody know whats wrong with my sources.list, i wanna upgrade to hardy but with sudo apt-get update, the terminal sais http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/136847/ and so, sudo apt-get upgrade doesnt work, what can i do now?
[00:47] <kgoetz> monolith: what format is the music in?
[00:47] <monolith> Sgt. Pepper is in mp3. But the Pink Floyd track is in FLAC.
[00:48] <monolith> Not all my tracks have this problem. and it's always the same parts of the same tracks.
[00:48] <kgoetz> derdui: pastebin your sources.list if you want to know whats wrong with it ;)
[00:48] <dwidmann> monolith: sounds like a new feature, perhaps in the sound engine or player, try it in another player
[00:48] <sudobash> wow you all should see the email i just sent my girlfriend who might be my ex soon enough
[00:48] <sudobash> i should pastebin it hahaha
[00:48] <kgoetz> sudobash: -offtopic thanks
[00:48] <monolith> Have done. Amarok, mPlayer and Audacit all give the same result.
[00:49] <dwidmann> monolith: very strange
[00:49] <sudobash> vlc monolith
[00:49] <monolith> I was going to try that
[00:49] <dwidmann> Maybe it's some sort of alsa problem?
[00:49] <sudobash> vlc and xmms
[00:50] <derdui> kgoetz: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/136854/
[00:50] <ere4si> monolith: how did you backup and restore?
[00:50] <monolith> Prehaps. I need to wait for linux to get a few months worth of updates before I can install VLC
[00:50] <[Relic]> dwidmann, q9300 is $289.99 at newegg today  :)
[00:51] <kgoetz> derdui: change all your repositories to de.archive (instead of archive alone), and comment out (#) all the deb-src lines then update again
[00:51] <algyz> derdui:  and maybe this 24	deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main  must be in two lines?
[00:51] <monolith> and I made an image of my 7.10 install a few months back with dd. My /home partion is held on a software RAID 5 Array (managed with mdadm). I kept 7.10 untill yesterday when I installed over the / partion with the 8.04 beta. I didn't like it so I just used dd again from the live cd to put my backup of my / partion back on the HD.
[00:51] <dwidmann> [Relic]: only a $10 diff ...... not something to be toooo upset about
[00:52] <[Relic]> how many weeks till the 8.04 normal version comes out?
[00:52] <kgoetz> derdui: also, comment out all 3rd party repositories in there (your going to have a horrible time upgrading because of them already)
[00:52] <[Relic]> dwidmann, the 9450s sold out already too by the looks of it
[00:52] <kgoetz> [Relic]: 4~
[00:52] <flipstar> derdui: why dont you use update-manager ?
[00:52] <dwidmann> [Relic]: wow ..... that's fast
[00:52] <BluesKaj> [Relic], about a month
[00:53] <dwidmann> [Relic]: how much do they want for the 9450s?
[00:53] <[Relic]> dwidmann, $379
[00:54] <flipstar> !ot
[00:54] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:54] <dwidmann> [Relic]: any idea what their "default" clock speed is? fsb? multiplier?
[00:54] <[Relic]> well hopefully I will be ready to upgrade everything by then  :)
[00:54] <monolith> I know that expermenting with beta's and backups like this can cause weird effects. and I know the files are okay so I'm not all that concerned. I'm just wondering why, and how, this happened.
[00:54] <derdui> well, the problem is, that i have to update, before i use the update mananger flipstar
[00:55] <flipstar> derdui: update-manager can do this as well
[00:55] <kgoetz> update-manager drives me crazy
[00:55] <kgoetz> brb.
[00:55] <derdui> so, how to flipstar
[00:55] <flipstar> derdui: i would change everything back to the way it was..then just use update-manager
[00:55] <[Relic]> dwidmann, Q9450 - 8x Multiplier, 1333Mhz FSB, 12MB cache
[00:55] <monolith> Also. the 8.04 version was the KDE-4 one. and I didn't like KDE4 so I installed the kubuntu-desktop package to get kde3. THen the sound didn't work in that. That's why I went back to 7.10. I know that it's a little byeond the scope of this chanel but I recon it's worth mentioning. If anyone is intrested in this problem?
[00:56] <flipstar> [Relic]: yes intel rocks but could you please go to #kubuntu-offtpic ?
[00:56] <algyz> derdui:  24th line of your sources list looks wrong :)
[00:57] <flipstar> monolith: kubuntu-desktop involves a lot of packages..
[00:58] <algyz> monolith:  you could try live cd first
[00:58] <monolith> flipstar: In the 8.04 Beta? That would explain that then. Still how could that affect (or is that effect?) this? And Live CD?
[00:58] <monolith> algyz: You mean try to play the music from a Live CD?
[00:58] <derdui> oki, i have deleted line 24 algyz
[00:59] <sudobash> and the phone call
[00:59] <algyz> derdui you shouldn't. You could press enter before deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main to put it to the next line :)
[01:00] <derdui> then outcomment all deb-src?
[01:00] <derdui> oh.... now i know why i could have install the latest camorama *lol*
[01:00] <kgoetz> derdui: "deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main" shoudl be removed completely
[01:01] <kgoetz> along with 1 and 2
[01:01] <derdui> line 1 and 2? kgoetz
[01:01] <kgoetz> and 51/52/61
[01:01] <kgoetz> derdui: yeah.
[01:02] <derdui> but where do i get the medibutu-files? kgoetz
[01:02] <algyz> derdui:  http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/sourceslist-for-gutsy-gibbon/
[01:03] <kgoetz> derdui: you dont. especially not while upgrading a system
[01:03] <derdui> oki
[01:03] <algyz> derdui:  also maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3804172  would be interesting for you
[01:04] <derdui> done, now outcomment the deb-src?
[01:04] <bascule> \o/
[01:08] <derdui> ok, the same error (i havnt set # before the deb-src sources)
[01:09] <algyz> derdui:  try to copy this http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/sourceslist-for-gutsy-gibbon/  into your sources.list (hope you will do backup of your old).
[01:14] <ere4si> just read this - http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2008/02/memory-usage-gutsy-vs-hardy.html
[01:16] <flipstar> thats not a fair competition!
[01:16] <flipstar> hardy should also be clean installed
[01:17] <ere4si> from a clean 7.10 the 8.10 should be clean as well
[01:17] <ere4si> *8.04
[01:18] <algyz> ere4si:  my kubuntu 7.10 with kde 3.5.8 and lots of processes running is using only ~200MB
[01:19] <ere4si> algyz: and by that blog using hardy and the same processes you will be 300-?
[01:20] <flipstar> ere4si: i dont think things will ever be removed during a upgrade
[01:20] <algyz> hope kde4 will be usable soon, they promise less ram usage :)
[01:21] <ere4si> it was just a surprise to see - is all
[01:21] <algyz> Btw, interesting thing, in my machine KDE is using measurably less ram, than Gnome, why it could be?
[01:21] <kgoetz> algyz: because gnome is bloating faster then kde
[01:21] <ere4si> I found the same thing as well
[01:22] <algyz> Nope, KDE seems faster to me, maybe I'm not very right, but it seems
[01:23] <derdui> oki, now i would need the key for the  ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de stable Release theres no official key
[01:23] <Wamphyri> anyone have any suggestions what i need to install to get sli working?
[01:24] <derdui> algyz:
[01:25] <kgoetz> Wamphyri: nVIDIA? nope
[01:26] <matt___> anyone using "64" bit ubuntu/kubuntu?
[01:26] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: yes
[01:26] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: you do? so are you using kubuntu?
[01:26] <nosredna_ekim> yes
[01:27] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: so i'm going to try it...but which do i download? i have me an intel processor, but i've noticed that the iso for 64 it titled such as amd64.iso. will it work correctly with my intel?
[01:27] <derdui> oki, i have to leave^^ thanks for your help, i will try to upgrade later..... but thanks ffor your help
[01:27] <nosredna_ekim> yes, Intel copied the AMD instruction set... it will work fine
[01:28] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: "copied"
[01:28] <matt___> ?
[01:28] <nosredna_ekim> pretty much :)
[01:28] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: so what cpu type you using right now?
[01:29] <nosredna_ekim> AMD turion X2
[01:29] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: how much of teh ram?
[01:29] <nosredna_ekim> but I assure that I have seen many inetls running so called "amd64"
[01:29] <nosredna_ekim> 1GB
[01:29] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: alright, that is the main reason i'm trying it, 4gb, only 3.2 can i use in 32bit.
[01:30] <matt___> should work like a charm in 64bit eh?
[01:30] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... but flash should be a bit more difficult.... but hey, I got it working, you can too :)
[01:31] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: sounds good.
[01:31] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R181000&SystemID=INSP_DSKTP_D530&servicetag=&os=WLH&osl=en&deviceid=14390&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=5&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=1&libid=1&fileid=246767
[01:32] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: lol, long url, but take a look at fixes and enhancments please. i was using 1.0.10, but just upgraded to the 1.0.12, which supposedly now supports 4gb.
[01:33] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: i tried 64 UBUNTU months ago, but it wouldn't recognize the 4gb either, but with the newer firmware, (k)ubuntu should use it perfectly shouldn't it?
[01:34] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: you can always check with the liveCD
[01:34] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: right. so i hope so. that's a good 800mb going to waste
[01:34] <kgoetz> the cds arnt 800mb
[01:34] <matt___> kgoetz: nope, they are about 700mb
[01:34] <nosredna_ekim> kgoetz: I think he means of RAM ;)
[01:35] <matt___> kgoetz: it's pretty hard to burn 800mb to a 700mb cd
[01:35] <kgoetz> nosredna_ekim: ah right :)
[01:35] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: there is a little bit of overburn
[01:35] <matt___> kgoetz: but thanks anyways :)
[01:35] <nosredna_ekim> but not 100 MB :)
[01:35] <kgoetz> anyway. afk while i go home ;)
[01:35] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: yeah.....true
[01:35] <matt___> never tried that, how much overburn we talking about?
[01:36] <Piero_Scaruffi> how do i enable advanced desktop effects on kubuntu????
[01:36] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: ~15MB I think
[01:36] <nosredna_ekim> !compiz
[01:36] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:37] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: cool. so eh....will stuff "seem faster" with 64bit over 32bit? assuming my whole system is 64bit
[01:37] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: throughput, perhaps is what i'm thinking of?
[01:38] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: not really, its mostly for the extra available ram.... unless you are running audio/video encoding
[01:38] <sudobash> 64bit allows for more RAM
[01:38] <matt___> sudobash: yes, but besides that, any difference in speeds?
[01:38] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: that i will be doing
[01:38] <sudobash> not really...
[01:38] <matt___> sudobash: but really 800mb additional ram seems worth it to me
[01:38] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: then yes, you might notice a difference in speed
[01:39] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: i hope so
[01:39] <sudobash> well the 800 mb more will speed up some also
[01:39] <nosredna_ekim> I hope its worth the trouble :P
[01:39] <sudobash> but why not 1024?
[01:39] <krodolfo> (\__/)
[01:39] <krodolfo>  ( O.o)
[01:39] <krodolfo>  ( > <)
[01:39] <matt___> sudobash: then totally worth it.
[01:39] <sudobash> all you can hold is 800 more?
[01:39] <matt___> sudobash: i've got 4gb installed right now, but it is only using 3.2gb
[01:39] <sudobash> oh
[01:40] <nosredna_ekim> krodolfo: yeah yeah... we all know about the rabbit thats supposed to conqueror the world
[01:40] <sudobash> then yes go with 64
[01:40] <matt___> sudobash: so perhaps 8gb would be awesome!!!!
[01:40] <sudobash> but there is not as much support
[01:40] <matt___> 4x2gb sticks....
[01:40] <nonewmsgs> 64bit rulez
[01:40] <matt___> sudobash: support meaning?
[01:40] <sudobash> 8GB could potentially be amazing
[01:40] <sudobash> ports
[01:40] <matt___> sudobash: yeah....could write a script to copy EVERYTHING (system wise) to ram, and run it from there...talk about speeds
[01:41] <sudobash> yeah you could
[01:41] <sudobash> C++
[01:41] <matt___> sudobash: but will software compile/work correctly? like, will amarok work via apt-get ? etc etc
[01:42] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: oh yeah... any open source software will work perfectly
[01:42] <sudobash> well you should compile yourself
[01:42] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: its programs such as skype, and plugins such as flash that are the problem
[01:42] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: what about closed source? IE americas army 2.5? installable via .sh?
[01:42] <nosredna_ekim> sudobash: if you want to compile yourself... use gentoo
[01:42] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: probably not
[01:43] <sudobash> ahh so you are into AA2.5
[01:43] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: there ARE ways around thta though, e.g. a 32 bit chroot
[01:43] <matt___> sudobash: somewhat...
[01:43] <sudobash> hackers AA
[01:43] <matt___> sudobash: say what?
[01:43] <sudobash> back in the day
[01:43] <sudobash> there used to be a lot of AA 2.5 hackers
[01:43] <matt___> still is, sorta
[01:43] <sudobash> and even more cheat servers
[01:44] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: how about wine, can i compile it correctly?
[01:44] <sudobash> i could still whoop their ass... that game is the sh!t
[01:44] <sudobash> should be able to
[01:44] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: that I am not sure about. I would guess it would be difficult
[01:44] <matt___> sudobash: yes it is...
[01:44] <sudobash> shouldnt their be a port for wine of all apps?
[01:44] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: dunno, i'll try. however, assuming i got it to work, i'd have to use 64bit binaries wouldn't i?
[01:45] <sudobash> yes
[01:45] <matt___> port for wine of all apps?
[01:45] <matt___> what?
[01:45] <matt___> lol
[01:45] <sudobash> 64 bit ubuntu
[01:45] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: in wine? no..
[01:45] <sudobash> also
[01:45] <sudobash> or what ever OS you are going to use
[01:46] <sudobash> let me rephrase of all the apps... wine should have a 64 bit port
[01:46] <matt___> sudobash: i don't understand...you meaning i'll need to use all 64bit programs/binaries?
[01:46] <matt___> sudobash: i think it does...
[01:47] <sudobash> you will need to use Ubuntu X64
[01:47] <nosredna_ekim> yeah.. I ca get it here in amd64... I guess it does
[01:47] <sudobash> yeah wine is pretty good about that
[01:47] <matt___> sudobash: using kubuntu, or at least trying to in about 1 minutes perhaps...
[01:47] <matt___> nosredna_ekim:  you just installed wine?
[01:48] <matt___> sudobash: oh, you were talking about the wine version weren't you?
[01:48] <sudobash> im still on an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ Barton Core
[01:48] <matt___> sudobash: i know nothing of amd
[01:48] <sudobash> yes but you will have to install the 64 bit of the OS
[01:48] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: no... but its available
[01:48] <sudobash> so it will know how to use the extra ram
[01:49] <matt___> sudobash: doing so right now..perhaps...after i back up stuff to my server...
[01:49] <sudobash> there a two main version of OS'es now days... 32 bit and 64 bit or X86 and X64 respectively
[01:50] <matt___> sudobash: btw, i have a "32bit server" running nfs server, if i start to run 64 bit linux on my "client", will it still connect to the nfs server?
[01:50] <sudobash> should yes
[01:50] <sudobash> you might have to reconfigure
[01:50] <Piero_Scaruffi> i need your help i am installing compiz and its forcing me to choose between gdm and kdm which one should i choose?
[01:50] <sudobash> but it should have a problem connection to TCP/IP i wouldnt think
[01:51] <matt___> sudobash: i'll try
[01:51] <nosredna_ekim> matt___: should work fine
[01:51] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: alright
[01:51] <nosredna_ekim> Piero_Scaruffi: gdm
[01:51] <sudobash> i have never used 64 bit linux
[01:51] <sudobash> i might have without knowing it fixing someone box maybe
[01:51] <sudobash> but never for personal use
[01:52] <matt___> nosredna_ekim: sudobash ahhh flip, i just downed the 64bit alternate,and i was planning on seeing if the live cd detected 4gb, but i'll install instead...give me better idea of performance anyway
[01:52] <nosredna_ekim> heh :)
[01:53] <sudobash> yeap
[01:53] <sudobash> while your at it go to #kubunt
[01:58] <nonewmsgs> are there any good programs to read/write subchannel data?
[01:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> am i using Kubuntu now i installed Ubuntu Hardy and later kubuntu-desktop and now i am running a KDE session?
[01:58] <utrange_> hi all!
[01:58] <nonewmsgs> ti utrange_
[01:58] <nonewmsgs> hi
[01:58] <Piero_Scaruffi> hi
[01:58] <utrange_> i heed some help
[01:59] <nonewmsgs> go ahead and ask
[01:59] <nosredna_ekim> Piero_Scaruffi: yes,,,,
[01:59] <Piero_Scaruffi> :)
[02:00] <Piero_Scaruffi> i think gnome is a little bit faster than KDE is that true?
[02:00] <utrange_> i'm trying to run my dlink g510 card to ad-hoc mode & use this manual http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646320
[02:00] <[GuS]> Piero_Scaruffi: it is something logic, dont you think?
[02:00] <nonewmsgs> Piero_Scaruffi, the performance should be very close
[02:00] <[GuS]> KDE has much stuff than Gnome...
[02:00] <utrange_> this command do not working
[02:00] <utrange_> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:01] <Piero_Scaruffi> does blue tooth headset work on kubuntu?
[02:01] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: what error?
[02:01] <Dr_willis> I dont find gnome any faster then kde. but how do you even begin to benchmark sich things.
[02:01] <utrange_> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found
[02:02] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: i have installed ndiswrapper 1.9
[02:02] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, it is easy. you simply run the same gtk based program in both gnome and kde ;)
[02:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> may i ask another question Ubuntu 7.04 had this gorgeous purple theming how can i use this 7.04 purple theme on hardy?
[02:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> its blue now
[02:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> for me
[02:03]  * nonewmsgs wants a gorgeous purple theme
[02:03] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: I think you have to install the correct kernel modules.
[02:03] <Piero_Scaruffi> for kubuntu i mean
[02:03] <nosredna_ekim> Piero_Scaruffi: it will probably be on kde-look
[02:03] <[GuS]> blue please! :P
[02:04] <Piero_Scaruffi> whats the name nosredna_ekim?
[02:04] <[GuS]> Thanks God kubuntu returned to blue :P
[02:04] <nosredna_ekim> Piero_Scaruffi: I don't know ^_^
[02:04] <Piero_Scaruffi> purple was etta
[02:04] <Piero_Scaruffi> BETTA
[02:05] <[GuS]> but blue wins again :Pp
[02:05] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: how i can chek it?
[02:05] <Piero_Scaruffi> the paperplane minimize is gorgeous
[02:05] <Piero_Scaruffi> can i add soundeffects to it
[02:05] <Piero_Scaruffi> like a plane flying by
[02:06] <nonewmsgs> gus did you used to have a fics account and play loads of bug?
[02:06] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: I'm checking...
[02:06] <taj9aldo> hello how can i change the screen resoulution in kubuntu? it just seems simpler in ubuntu
[02:07] <nonewmsgs> K-system settings display BUT BE CAREFUL!!!
[02:07] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, i try not to touch it too much because it has broken my system before
[02:08] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: and what i must to do?
[02:08] <utrange_>  nosredna_ekim: excuse me for bad english=)
[02:08] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: where is it? i only see ksystemlog
[02:08] <_dennister> hey guys! i did it! i did it! :-) a workiing installation of sql-ledger :-)
[02:08] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: you need to install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic
[02:09] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: do you know the command for the command prompt?
[02:09] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, K system settings - Moniter and Display
[02:09] <sudobash> while your at it go to #kubunt
[02:10] <_dennister> i can't believe it took me two full days of constant struggle and errors, with almost no documentation to help
[02:11] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: already installed
[02:11] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: i don't have it do you know what could be missing or what should i install from the repositories?
[02:12] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, do you have a general tab at the top?
[02:12] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: no idea what you problem is unless you blacklisted ndiswrapper
[02:12] <taj9aldo> no im using kubuntu not ubuntu
[02:12] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: or unless you are running a i386 kernel
[02:12] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, is system settings open?
[02:13] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: run "uname -a"
[02:13] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: i'm workin on x64 version, if it's somthing means...
[02:13] <nosredna_ekim> and give me the output
[02:14] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: ok
[02:14] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: i go to k/sytem/
[02:14] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: Linux myComp 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 02:46:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:14] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: and the only thing related with monitor is ksystemguard
[02:15] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: weird.... did you blacklist ndiswrapper?
[02:16] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: what is blacklist? i'm noob linux user? only two days=\
[02:17] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, not k/system "k/system settings" it's hiding at the very bottom of kmenu
[02:17] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, right below strgi
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: it might be better if you follow some more official instructions for ndiswrapper then
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> !ndiswrapper
[02:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:18] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: oh heheh thanks
[02:18] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo,  anytime :)
[02:20] <taj9aldo> nonewmsgs: by any chance do you know why is my keyboad locked or unresponsive after installing compiz fusion?
[02:21] <Piero_Scaruffi> i cant find the purple edgy eft theme anywhere :(
[02:21] <Piero_Scaruffi> help plz
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> taj9aldo, i dont know that one
[02:22] <Piero_Scaruffi> nalioth:
[02:22] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: another question: i've try to install ralink rt61 driver, but it's not compilng. error about struct member "mac"
[02:22] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: utrange_did you install "build-essential" ?
[02:23] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: installing now....
[02:24] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: many thanks
[02:24] <utrange_> !
[02:24] <nosredna_ekim> that fixed something?
[02:25] <isantop> My Laptop is failing to boot. After GRUB loads, I get the Error message "/init: /init: 172: panic: not found"
[02:28] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: that can fix what? sry for noob questions
[02:28] <nosredna_ekim> utrange_: should fix the r61 compile error
[02:32] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: i'll now chek it! thks!
[02:32] <nosredna_ekim> later guys
[02:33] <isantop>  My Laptop is failing to boot. After GRUB loads, I get the Error message "/init: /init: 172: panic: not found" I have Kernel Version 2.6.22-14-generic installed.
[02:33] <whitethorn> Hi, I got a problem. When I boot kubuntu, it doesn't boot into the xserver, I get an error : kinit no image resume normal boot. I can then login (in bash) and use startx to get the xserver going.  Neone know how I can fix this?
[02:34] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: see you
[02:34] <nosredna_ekim> whitethorn: are you sure you aren't booting the recovery entry?
[02:35] <whitethorn> not really (I'm pretty sure), I haven't changed the boot order and normally the normal boot was the top one
[02:39] <whitethorn> I've googled the error but as far as I've been able to tell the only way to get it working again was a fresh install
[02:42] <utrange_> nosredna_ekim: exuse me< for distorbing. problem isn't fixed. on som russian site posted this patch: http://esin.name/files/patches/190807/rt61-1.1.0-b2.diff fo this driver: http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/rt2400/rt61-1.1.0-b2.tar.gz
[02:43] <utrange_>  nosredna_ekim: but i can't understand how to patch this driver=(
[02:45] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[02:48] <isantop> Excuse me. My Laptop is failing to boot. After GRUB loads, I get the Error message "/init: /init: 172: panic: not found" I have Kernel Version 2.6.22-14-generic installed.
[02:48] <Piero_Scaruffi> how can i install kibadock on kubuntu?
[02:50] <Jucato> Piero_Scaruffi: http://www.kiba-dock.org/components/com_mambowiki/index.php?title=Installing_Kiba-Dock (you can probably use the feisty repository)
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> hardy didn't make my laptop explode...
[02:51] <Piero_Scaruffi> ty Jucato
[02:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> btw Jucato about the purple theme i found discussions about it with you involved :)
[02:52] <Piero_Scaruffi> google never forgets
[02:52] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kubuntu-default-settings
[02:53] <Jucato> download the .deb file (click on the "all" link), open it with ark, look for the .kcsrc file and extract it
[02:53] <Jucato> import it in System Settings -> Apperance -> Colors
[02:53] <ruben> hi all. i downloaded kubuntu 8.04 beta a few days ago thinking that it had kde 4 as the default win manager but it has 3.5.9 instead. what sources can i add to the adept installer config to upgrade my kde env?
[02:53] <Jucato> ruben: see the instructions in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:54] <ruben> k, will do
[02:54] <nonewmsgs> i found sourcecode for linux genuine advantage and want to know how to make sure it's working correctly
[02:55] <dwidmann> nonewmsgs:  o.O
[02:56] <nonewmsgs> dwidmann, just a little light humor mate
[02:56] <dwidmann> Yeah, I found that out after I googled it
[02:56]  * leo_rockway says hi to #kubuntu
[02:56] <utrange_> anybody! please! help me to install dlink g510 on unutu 7.10 x64 to ad-hoc mode!
[02:56] <dwidmann> nonewmsgs: actually pretty funny
[02:57] <isantop> Excuse me. My Laptop is failing to boot. After GRUB loads, I get the Error message "/init: /init: 172: panic: not found" I have Kernel Version 2.6.22-14-generic installed.
[02:58] <genii> isantop: Did you remove the file /boot/grub/menu.lst              at some point?
[02:58] <isantop> genii No, it's still there
[02:58] <genii> isantop: Did you edit it in any way lately?
[02:59] <isantop> Yes, but only to change a few settings.
[02:59] <genii> isantop: Theres your problem then
[03:00] <leo_rockway> isantop: you made a backup copy, right?
[03:01] <utrange_> help! not just anybody!
[03:01] <utrange_> utrange panik
[03:01] <isantop> genii: No. I actually edited it after the problem occured (via the Install CD). I did upgrade my kernel with adept. It ifrst happened after I rebooted.
[03:01] <leo_rockway> utrange_: if nobody's helping you nobody has an answer for you
[03:02] <genii> isantop: Did you do a distribution upgrade? eg from for instance 6.06 to 7.04 or 7.04 to 7.10
[03:02] <Qdogg> good evening. can anyone tell me how to remove a program from autostart (I am horrible with command line)
[03:02] <leo_rockway> Qdogg: cd ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:02] <utrange_> leo_rockway: =(
[03:03] <leo_rockway> Qdogg: ls
[03:03] <leo_rockway> Qdogg: rm filename
[03:03] <isantop> genii: No. I ran the updater, and the kernel happened to be in the list, so it was updated.
[03:03] <utrange_> *going to kill himself by the wall
[03:03] <leo_rockway> Qdogg: keep the capitals (Autostart != autostart)
[03:04] <leo_rockway> utrange_: can i inherit your comp?
[03:04] <genii> isantop: OK. And what was the nature of the change(s) you made to the menu.lst after that?
[03:04] <isantop> genii: I tried to enable the "pretty colors".
[03:05] <jorge_> hi everybody, i downloaded a program, when i tried to install it, asked me for java, so i installed java, then, when i try to install the other program, ask me for java, any clue
[03:05] <utrange_> leo_rockway: what is inherit? sry, english in no good=(
[03:05] <leo_rockway> utrange_: like, you die and i get to keep your comp
[03:06] <genii> hmm
[03:07] <Kr|ptiX> genii : can u help me with xmms it givn me a soundcard error but i can lpay music in amarok
[03:07] <genii> isantop: Are you currently on the livecd, same machine?
[03:07] <leo_rockway> jorge_: there's jdk, jre and god knows how many others. v5, v6...
[03:07] <isantop> Not right now. I'm on my desktop.
[03:07] <genii> Kr|ptiX: Issues with sound are not my strong area :(
[03:08] <Kr|ptiX> its not like my sound doesnt owrk it just wont work well with xmms
[03:08] <Combatjuan> Kr|ptiX: This won't be helpful, but Amarok > xmms
[03:09] <leo_rockway> Combatjuan: amarok also needs more resources (but yeah, amarok ftw)
[03:09] <isantop> Combatjuan: Amarok > all
[03:09] <Kr|ptiX> k ill use amarok then :)
[03:09] <utrange_> leo_rockway: for what?
[03:09] <jorge_> leo_rockway, i installed v6 u5
[03:10] <isantop> genii: sorry. No, right now I'm on my desktop PC.
[03:10] <leo_rockway> jorge_: well, i don't know what the program you're installing needs. i'm just saying that your "i installed java" statement might not be accurate
[03:10] <leo_rockway> utrange_: i could use a server, lol
[03:10] <utrange_> leo_rockway: sry, don't uderstand=(
[03:10] <leo_rockway> utrange_: nevermind
[03:10] <Combatjuan> jorge_: Did you install it via apt or via some downloaded binary?
[03:11] <_dennister> genii: hi there guy :)
[03:11] <jorge_> leo_rockway: i tried to install limewire,
[03:11] <jorge_> apt
[03:11] <leo_rockway> jorge_: well, frostwire > limewire (that for starters)
[03:11] <jorge_> ok, thanks
[03:11] <_dennister> hold on...bbs after i login with different machine
[03:12] <flipstar> jorge_: you need sun-java6-bin i think
[03:13] <genii> isantop: I would recommend to boot to livecd on the affected box. Then prepare old / for chroot by mounting it and some other necessary dirs. Then to install linux-image
[03:13] <genii> dennister_: Hi
[03:13] <leo_rockway> jorge_: if you install the frostwire deb it will tell you what dependency you're missing
[03:13] <leo_rockway> jorge_: and frostwire is better than limewire (not just my opinion, that's a fact)
[03:13] <utrange_> leo_rockway: make a joke?
[03:13] <leo_rockway> utrange_: yes, sorry
[03:13] <isantop> genii: What other dirs are necessary for this?
[03:14] <leo_rockway> jorge_: unless you're getting the paid version of limewire your speed is capped. that doesn't happen with frostwire and frostwire is free (and it looks exactly like limewire, except it's blue)
[03:14] <utrange_> leo_rockway:  finally undestand =)
[03:15] <leo_rockway> utrange_: where are you from, perhaps you can get help in your own language
[03:15] <dennister_> ok, i'm back on other machine
[03:15] <dennister_> genii: pm please? if you have a few moments for some sensitive advice?
[03:15] <genii> isantop: eg if old / was on sda1: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt;sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev;sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys;sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc
[03:16] <isantop> genii: then chroot it, right?
[03:17] <genii> isantop: Yup,   sudo chroot /mnt                           then you can run whatever command you want there. But in this case I suggest to install a generic kernel image
[03:17] <utrange_> leo_rockway: i've trying, but nobody knows what to do on russin irc channels=(
[03:17] <isantop> genii: thanks. I'll get to that right away. =)
[03:18] <utrange_> russin=russian
[03:22] <dthacker> hehe, this looks like me yesterday.  It will be fine, isantop
[03:23] <isantop> dthacker: That's why I use Linux in the first place. Any problem can be fixed (eventually... XD )
 maybe u can give me link with manual about my problem?
[03:24] <leo_rockway> utrange_: i don't even know what dlink g510 is
[03:24] <jorge_> leo_rockway, it's installed now, thanks
[03:25] <leo_rockway> jorge_: no problem
[03:26] <utrange_> leo_rockway: it's a wifi adapter on RaLink RT61 chip
[03:26] <leo_rockway> utrange_: just google that then, i guess
[03:27] <leo_rockway> utrange_: i have a built in broadcom (had some problems with that one too)
[03:29] <utrange_> leo_rockway: i've trying to use this manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/DWL-G510 but comand modprobe ndiswrapper isn't working =(
[03:30] <leo_rockway> utrange_: are you sudoing it?
[03:30] <utrange_> leo_rockway: ыгку
[03:30] <leo_rockway> utrange_: ndiswrapper makes stallman cry...
[03:31] <utrange_> leo_rockway: sure
[03:31] <leo_rockway> utrange_: and what error are you getting then?
[03:31] <utrange_> leo_rockway: sure i do it by root
[03:31] <leo_rockway> utrange_: and what happens?
[03:32] <leo_rockway> utrange_: sudo != root but that's ok i guess
[03:32] <utrange_> leo_rockway: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found
[03:33] <utrange_> leo_rockway: realy 0__o!!!
[03:33] <leo_rockway> utrange_: sudo is safer (but for this thing the purpose is the same)
[03:36] <MrJoey> Quick question:  will the final version of Kubuntu Hardy come with the option of keeping KDE 3 instead of KDE 4?
[03:36] <leo_rockway> utrange_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14851
[03:37] <leo_rockway> utrange_: when you get stuck, just google the error message
[03:37] <leo_rockway> MrJoey: i believe so, but i'm not certain
[03:37] <MrJoey> I saw this at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu : Kubuntu 8.04 will consist of two different releases, the commercially supported one featuring the stable KDE 3.5.9 desktop and a remix featuring the latest release of KDE 4.0. "The following is a quick breakdown of the type of support and distributions methods which will be made available to Kubuntu 8.04:"
[03:37] <MrJoey> So apparently, the answer is yes
[03:38] <MrJoey> I'm very pleased by that, as Hardy is an LTS
[03:39] <MrJoey> Another quick question:  Does LTS (Long Term Support) refer to a longer amount of time the repository for that release will be available?  Or do those repos persist for much longer than the support time?
[03:39] <flipstar> !lts
[03:39] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:39] <MrJoey> I'm not sure what the exact definition of "support" is
[03:39] <utrange_> leo_rockway: great respect for you=)!
[03:39] <MrJoey> !support
[03:39] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[03:40] <leo_rockway> utrange_: haha, thanks
[03:41] <utrange_> leo_rockway: =)
[03:41] <flipstar> MrJoey: i think repos wont be availible longer than this
[03:41] <leo_rockway> MrJoey: kubuntu is not lts
[03:41] <MrJoey> hmm
[03:42] <leo_rockway> MrJoey: ubuntu hardy is lts, kubuntu hardy isn't
[03:42] <MrJoey> Okay, thanks
[03:42] <leo_rockway> MrJoey: they can't promise support on kde 3.5.9 since it will be obsolete soon
[03:42] <leo_rockway> MrJoey: and they can't promise support on kde4.0.2 since it is still in development
[03:43] <leo_rockway> so, kde is the ugly ducklin... be we kde people don't coplain, cuz we're tough! haha
[03:43] <flipstar> !khardy
[03:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[03:45] <leo_rockway> 18 months != 3 years... so, like i said, not lts
[03:45] <flipstar> for desktop..
[03:45] <leo_rockway> well, 18 months != 5 years lol
[03:45] <ejm> dang atheros!
[03:46] <ejm> When I use madwifi, is there anything that I need to do, like load modules, grab windows drivers, etc?
[03:46] <leo_rockway> my problem is always with ati/broadcom and the ubuntu team is doing a great job as it is, they can't work miracles. so i'm fine w/ a non lts release anyway
[03:47] <ejm> broadcom is anti-linux, so it's broadcom's fault.
[03:47] <flipstar> thats wired
[03:48] <leo_rockway> ejm: that's what i'm saying. and still, my broadcom works great with ubuntu, even when broadcom doesn't cooperate, so kudos to the developers for that.
[03:48] <Strangelet> Hallo my friends, I have no where else to go. Now.. What do I put in the upper left hand corner of a letter? XD
[03:48] <leo_rockway> Strangelet: if it is an email, write [OFFTOPIC] lol
[03:49] <Strangelet> leo_rockway, I am talking about snail mail :P
[03:49] <Combatjuan> Strangelet: In the U.S. You put the return address.  That's your mailing address.   e.g. "John Doe\n1234 Some St.\nMyTown, NY 12345"
[03:50] <Jucato> !offtopic | Strangelet
[03:50] <ubotu> Strangelet: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:51] <Combatjuan> I asked about this in #kontact on freenode and got no response but I suppose it doesn't hurt to try here.  Does anyone have MS exchange email working in KMail?
[03:52] <dwidmann> Strangelet: the return address?
[03:52] <ian1_> genii: I am isantop from before. I tried reinstalling the boot images, but I am still getting the error messages.
[03:52] <dwidmann> ah wait, someone else did say something .... guess I missed it, hard to see with the brightness turned down ...... but the superb battery life is too enticing :D
[03:53] <Combatjuan> dwidmann: Don't worry, I only cried for a couple of minutes when I saw you didn't notice me.
[03:53] <genii> ian1_: OK. Same error or new one now?
[03:53] <ian1_> genii: Same error.
[03:54] <dwidmann> Combatjuan: oh good, so long as it was only a couple, I almost felt guilty
[03:57] <genii> ian1_: OK. So on livecd now?
[03:57] <genii> ian1_: Need to repeat the mount/chroot steps and then to do grub-install this time instead
[03:58] <ian1_> genii: hold on, I need to reboot the livecd.
[03:58] <genii> ian1_: Recap - if old / was on sda1: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt;sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev;sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys;sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc  then after this the sudo chroot /mnt
[04:00] <mazeura> Quick question, whats the best/easiest program to use to make an .iso file?  I have k3b on here, but its just to burn the .iso image, isn't it, so what program would you suggest that I use?
[04:02] <genii> mazeura: iso file from a cd/dvd or from a set of files you wish to burn?
[04:02] <mazeura> I have a CD (and some DVDs) that I want to burn off of the disc and onto my HD.
[04:03] <Darkrift2> erm
[04:03] <Darkrift2> that was confusing
[04:03] <mazeura> I want to make .iso's onto my HD.
[04:04] <Erickj92> does anyone have any experience setting up a server with a linksys router?
[04:04] <genii> mazeura: Fast but not all encrypted work:   sudo dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/myname/Desktop/someisoname.iso               as example
[04:05] <leo_rockway> mazeura: you can use k3b
[04:05] <leo_rockway> when you click on burn, the recording tab says "just create an image" or smth like that (my kde is in spanish)
[04:06] <leo_rockway> mazeura: and the "image" tab lets you specify the path and name
[04:06] <leo_rockway> mazeura: (create a data cd/dvd and then click on burn, that is)
[04:07] <mazeura> ahha!  found where your talking about it.
[04:08] <leo_rockway> mazeura: i never created an iso before, it's nice knowing how to do it now, lol
[04:09] <genii> ian1_: Any joy yet?
[04:09] <mazeura> hmm...  wait....  Under the image tab, it says that its a temporary file...
[04:09] <genii> mazeura: You can set to delete it or not
[04:09] <ian1_> genii: Yeah. I just chroot'ed.
[04:10] <ian1_> genii: great time, btw.
[04:10] <utrange_> good night all
[04:10] <leo_rockway> mazeura: i uses tmp as default. you can tell it to use another path, so i'm guessing it first uses tmp and then moves the file to your desired path
[04:10] <leo_rockway> utrange_: good night
[04:11] <Erickj92> anyone have some experience with linksys routers? i would really like to get my webserver going
[04:11] <genii> ian1_: I need to sleep soon but wanted to see if we got the fix for your box yet
[04:12] <utrange_> leo_rockway: tomorow i'll beat this problem x_0
[04:12] <ian1_> alright. I've ran grub-install, and I'm rebooting now.
[04:12] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: what difference does it make you have a linksys router? just open the port you want to use
[04:12] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, its not working like it should
[04:12] <Erickj92> ive opened the port, but no luck
[04:13] <flipstar> Erickj92: try an other port..for testing..maybe its your isp
[04:13] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: oh, so then it __does__ make a difference that it is linksys, haha. sorry, i have a tp-link or smth like that
[04:13] <flipstar> i have no router at all :)
[04:14] <ian1_> genii: Argh! It's still giving me the same error.
[04:14] <Erickj92> im gonna shove my linksys router up thier, well you know.
[04:14] <genii> ian1_: Crap.
[04:14] <ian1_> genii: You can say that again.
[04:14] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: you're not using a firewall, are you? and if you are, you opened the port there too, didn't you?
[04:15] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, i never thought i had a firewall. but then someone had me install one today
[04:15] <Erickj92> and it should allow port 80
[04:15] <Erickj92> i have it set up to
[04:15] <ian1_> genii: I did have my /home separate from the rest of my hdd, so I CAN reinstall (I'd rather not, but If you have to leave)
[04:15] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: what did you install? watchdog?
[04:16] <Erickj92> firestarter
[04:16] <genii> ian1_: I need to sleep. But I'll be back in 9 hours for an extended period from work if you still want to hack away at it
[04:16] <flipstar> Erickj92: just open port 90 or so once and check if this works..
[04:16] <BunnyRevolution> !hardy
[04:16] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[04:16] <SnoFox> My wireless adapter isn't beind detected or given power by Kubuntu - Can anyone help? :o?
[04:16] <kodama1234> hello, I am trying to upgrade to kde4 on kubuntu 7.1 and having a bit of trouble - I am trying to follow the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php, and I've gotten to the "install kde4-core" section - but I'm not sure how to proceed. apt-get install kde4-core doesn't work, so I'm at a loss. Any help would be awesome!
[04:16] <ian1_> genii: I'll look a little before i go to sleep, but I need it for school tomorrow.
[04:16] <Erickj92> flipstar, try and see if what works?
[04:17] <flipstar> yes
[04:17] <BunnyRevolution> kodama1234: kubuntu-kde4 plz
[04:17] <ian1_> genii: A reinstall may be the only option.
[04:17] <Erickj92> what is what?
[04:17] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: firestarter is gtk (/me doesn't like gtk) usually guarddog is recommended for kde
[04:17] <kodama1234> BunnyRevolution: #kubuntu-kde4 ?
[04:17] <genii> ian1_: Probably just faster at this point then to reinstall / and just mount the old /home
[04:17] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, how do i remove it?
[04:17] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: remove what? firestarter? sudo apt-get remove --purge firestarter
[04:17] <flipstar> Erickj92: see if port 90 works instead of 80 (which you said might be blocked by your isp)
[04:18] <flipstar> Erickj92: firestarter is fine
[04:18] <ian1_> genii: Yeah. Thanks for your help anyway. I really apreciate it.
[04:18] <Erickj92> ok
[04:18] <genii> ian1_: You may want to make a list of installed apps to reinstall from
[04:18] <genii> !backup
[04:18] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[04:18] <Erickj92> but flipstar, dont i have to change settings to let apache listen on port 90?
[04:18] <flipstar> Erickj92: no just for *testing* to find if there is a problem
[04:19] <Erickj92> flipstar, how do i test now?
[04:19] <ian1_> genii: thanks. Well, I had batter get started.
[04:19] <leo_rockway> he *does* have to change the port in apache to try port 90
[04:19] <leo_rockway> and then restart apache2
[04:19] <flipstar> Erickj92: well..just open port 90 and see if it is accessable from outside
[04:19] <genii> bah. More like dpkg get-selections    then set-selections
[04:20] <Erickj92> flipstar, i dont know how to do that
[04:20] <Erickj92> :/
[04:20] <flipstar> if yes then we know where the problem is
[04:20] <leo_rockway> flipstar: the firewall could be filtering the ports
[04:20] <leo_rockway> flipstar: if the router isn't
[04:20] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, i have the router set up to allow 80
[04:20] <Erickj92> and now its disabled
[04:20] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: what about the firewall?
[04:20] <SnoFox> leo_rockway: Can you help me since I'm being ignored? :P
[04:21] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, i disabled it now
[04:21] <flipstar> !wifi > SnoFox
[04:21] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: oh, ok
[04:21] <leo_rockway> SnoFox: you didn't even gave your wireless adapter brand and model
[04:22] <genii> hopefully not a bcm43xx with a laptop wifi on/off switch
[04:22] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: then do what flipstar says, if port 80 is not working try a different port and see if that works
[04:22] <Erickj92> but how do i test it?
[04:22] <Erickj92> that is what i dont get
[04:22] <SnoFox> Oh - Linksys Wireless-N USB Network Adapter
[04:22] <leo_rockway> genii: i have a bcm43xx with a fn key on off switch (and it works)
[04:22] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: how were you testing port 80?
[04:22] <leo_rockway> SnoFox: what has google told you so far?
[04:23] <SnoFox> Erm... Google != Friend
[04:23] <SnoFox> Give me some search terms, please? :P
[04:23] <genii> leo_rockway: I've had probs with mainly HP and Acers with these hardware wifi switches. Especially on the broadcoms
[04:23] <Erickj92> leo_rockway, i just went to my IP from the outside to see if apache threw up my page
[04:23] <leo_rockway> genii: i have a dell, they are cooler, i guess
[04:23] <genii> heh
[04:24] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[04:24] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: change 80 for smth else
[04:24] <Erickj92> ok
[04:24] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: then try the same method
[04:24] <Erickj92> to 90 then?
[04:24] <Erickj92> ok
[04:24] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: idk, anything else... be creative, something like 50000 lol
[04:25] <genii> Erickj92: After port change, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[04:25] <SnoFox> leo_rockway: What should I search for - I couldn't think of how to word it so I came here... >.<
[04:25] <Erickj92> ok
[04:25] <genii> If some msg about can't decide server address or other msg tell us
[04:25] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: yup, what genii said. and when testing in the browser go: 127.0.0.1:port here (from the computer you're installing the server on)
[04:26] <Erickj92> well, i can do localhost in my browser and it works
[04:26] <leo_rockway> SnoFox: +ubuntu +"linksys n" i guess
[04:26] <Erickj92> its from the outside that desont
[04:26] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: ok, then try your ip:port
[04:26] <Erickj92> ok
[04:26] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: since it isn't the default 80, you have to tell your browser which port you're using
[04:27] <Erickj92> ok
[04:27] <Erickj92> well leo_rockway, didnt work with 90
[04:28] <Erickj92> so does this mean something really bad?
[04:28] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: 90 is open in the router and the firewall is disabled, right? then we found ourselves a mistery, lol
[04:28] <genii> Erickj92: If you have some router feature that lets you assign the same IP to a given MAC address, use it to give the apache box the same IP all the time. Then use the port-forwarding part of the router to forward all TCP traffic on 80 (or 90 in this test case) to that IP
[04:29] <flipstar> Erickj92: if you close firestarter..it isnt disabled..better open the port there
[04:29] <flipstar> since it edit iptables which are always present
[04:29] <Erickj92> flipstar, i clicked disable before exiting it
[04:29] <leo_rockway> genii: and then go to dyndns and install ddclient lol
[04:30] <leo_rockway> idk how ip tables / firestarter works
[04:30] <genii> Or just find out your current public IP and use that for testing
[04:30] <Erickj92> genii, thats what im using
[04:30] <leo_rockway> genii: that's what he has being doing so far. but for some reason it isn't working
[04:30] <Erickj92> my 208 address
[04:30] <leo_rockway> and apache works from local host, so apache is def working
[04:31] <Erickj92> so is it my router?
[04:31] <flipstar> yes..its a firewall/router/isp prob
[04:31] <Erickj92> should i smath it like i was planning?
[04:31] <leo_rockway> yup, one of the three
[04:31] <genii> Erickj92: Do you have a separate modem and router?
[04:31] <Erickj92> a modem, then router, yes
[04:31] <leo_rockway> Erickj92: you don't have router firewall enabled, do you?
[04:32] <genii> Erickj92: Does the modem give the ISP password, or does the router do that?
[04:32] <Erickj92> well it has come check marks
[04:32] <Erickj92> genii, its a brigded modem
[04:32] <Erickj92> so all routing settings on it are bypassed
[04:32] <Erickj92> some**
[04:32] <genii> OK good. So the router has the public IP and not the modem
[04:32] <Erickj92> yeah
[04:33] <Erickj92> brb.. i need to think for a second
[04:35] <mazeura> Um, how do I install something from a .tar.bz2 file?  I extracted it already and tried "sudo make install" in the command line while in the folder that contains the extracted files, and I recieved a large about of errors (about 50 of them).
[04:35] <flipstar> !compile | mazeura
[04:35] <ubotu> mazeura: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[04:36] <genii> !helpersnack | flipstar
[04:36] <ubotu> flipstar: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:36] <leo_rockway> mazeura: the usual procedure is ./configure && make && sudo make install
[04:36] <leo_rockway> block the cookie! lol
[04:37] <mazeura> I take it on seperate lines of course.
[04:37] <Trey85> hello all
[04:37] <leo_rockway> mazeura: && links the commands
[04:37] <genii> mazeura: Before trying to compile make sure it's not something readily available in the repositories which you could install from Add/Remove Programs
[04:37] <flipstar> hi Trey85
[04:37] <leo_rockway> mazeura: you could go ./configure (then in a different line) make (then in a different line) sudo make install that would work too
[04:38] <leo_rockway> mazeura: like, if you were to input clear && ls in one line, that would clean your terminal and then show ls
[04:39] <Trey85> maybe you guys can help me I want to start making the shift twords uising nothing but open source/linux but so far i have had bad luck I could notget Ubuntu to load on either of my computers so i am not sure where to go now
[04:40] <SnoFox> Gah.
[04:40] <Trey85> I al looking at Kubuntu,mandriva, openSUSE, um maybe even PCLinuxOS
[04:40] <flipstar> Trey85: the livecd of kubuntu doesnt load ?
[04:40] <needhelp> kubuntu rocks
[04:40] <SnoFox> Kubuntu doesn't show my Windows partitions... How can I fix that? >.>
[04:40] <Trey85> havn't gotten it yet
[04:40] <Trey85> as i said Ubuntu is the only one i have tried so far
[04:41] <flipstar> okay..then the ubuntu livecd doesnt load on you computer ?
[04:41] <needhelp> SnoFox: try System Settings--> Advance tab--> Disk & Filesystems --> see if the windows partition is there.. if yes, enable it
[04:41] <Trey85> i also have another minor issue all I have on hand at the moment are burnable DVDs and most of these are live CDs is there a special trick to burning a cd image to a dvd
[04:42] <needhelp> SnoFox: after enable, it should mount and you can access~ if its in ntfs you may have troubles writing into it
[04:42] <Trey85> I only got it to work once so far and that was an Xp pro disk
[04:42] <SnoFox> Mmkay
[04:43] <Trey85> I also need to know what Linux distros have susessfuly dual booted with vista
[04:44] <leo_rockway> Trey85: if you really need to use window$ do yourself a favor and use XP, not vi$ta
[04:44] <needhelp> kubuntu can dual boot using grub..installation automatically install a dual boot loader called grub if you have windows before you install kubuntu
[04:44] <Trey85> I know alot of people say that but I enjoy Vista mainly for the entertainment ability
[04:44] <Trey85> so far nothing has matched it in my eyes
[04:44] <SnoFox> Vista? Entertainment? HA!
[04:44] <SnoFox> It only looks good.
[04:44] <Trey85> it also works
[04:45] <leo_rockway> Trey85: you haven't seen compiz fusion, have you?
[04:45] <Trey85> no
[04:45] <SnoFox> Trey85: You can't open very much without it slowing down
[04:45] <needhelp> hahaha
[04:45] <mazeura> Where do I use the ./configure?  I tried using it inside of the file folder and it just gives me an error.
[04:45] <leo_rockway> Trey85: compiz fusion will make your wig stand up and dance
[04:45] <Trey85> see this is the thing i have an HP laptop with the tv tuner card and the special remote and it all works the way i expect it to
[04:45] <leo_rockway> mazeura: it should be from the folder, if you get an error is probably a dependency you're not meeting
[04:46] <needhelp> mac is not bad too..but compiz fusion rocks..
[04:46]  * leo_rockway doesn't use copiz fusion, but he admits it looks kewl
[04:46] <flipstar> mazeura: did you read that link? you need build-essential
[04:46] <mazeura> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[04:46] <mazeura> bah
[04:46] <leo_rockway> Trey85: look for compiz fusion in youtube
[04:46] <Trey85> ok
[04:46] <mazeura> mazeura@Maz:~/Desktop/isomaster-1.3.1$ ./configure
[04:46] <mazeura> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[04:46] <mazeura> That's what I get
[04:47] <flipstar> mazeura: then try make
[04:47] <leo_rockway> mazeura: what's isomaster for? and why do you need to compile it?
[04:47] <stdin> have you looked at the "README" or "INSTALL" files (if they exist)
[04:48] <mazeura> the readme just says to use sudo make install.
[04:48] <stdin> then just do that
[04:48] <Trey85> it looks pretty cool
[04:48] <mazeura> and when I do that it gives the same errors as just make
[04:48] <needhelp> i like compiz fusion ..but the setting up process turns me off..
[04:48] <Trey85> but the fact is I still need vista for now
[04:48] <flipstar> mazeura: why dont you search in the repos for an app that fits your needs ?
[04:48]  * leo_rockway didn't have composite before, so he never got into compiz
[04:48] <stdin> mazeura: post a file listing "ls -l" to pastebin
[04:48]  * leo_rockway blames ATI
[04:49]  * genii feeds stdin cookies
[04:49] <stdin> mmm, sugar
[04:49] <genii> stdin: :)
[04:49] <Fabio> xuxa!!! me equivoque de server
[04:49] <leo_rockway> $ apt-cache search isomaster isomaster - A graphical CD image editor
[04:50] <leo_rockway> lol
[04:50] <leo_rockway> Fabio: english please
[04:50] <Fabio> ok xD
[04:50] <genii> !info isomaster
[04:50] <genii> Hmm. The !info feature seems disabled lately
[04:50] <flipstar> !info is dead currently
[04:51] <leo_rockway> ubotu is withholding us information!
[04:51] <flipstar> heard the apt-cache was cleared or so
[04:51] <genii> Darn.Wanted to find what repo
[04:51] <flipstar> pool/universe/i/isomaster/isomaster_1.3-1_i386.deb
[04:51] <stdin> packages.ubuntu.com
[04:52] <leo_rockway> i like compiling, but it's useless to do it when the package is in the repos
[04:52] <flipstar> or getdeb.net
[04:52] <genii> stdin: We don't need it when we have flipstar ;)
[04:52] <stdin> I don't trust getdeb, their packaging style is sloppy
[04:53] <leo_rockway> but it is easier than compiling for most people
[04:53] <leo_rockway> and less time consuming
[04:54] <leo_rockway> but i agree that it is sloppy
[04:55] <flipstar> ..what you mean with sloppy..?
[04:56] <flipstar> isnt a .deb a .deb ..?
[04:56] <stdin> no, you can't just say "make me a .deb", you have to specify _how_ it's made
[04:57] <stdin> and getdeb doesn't care too much about the debian packaging standards
[04:57] <dwidmann>  flipstar: things like properly set up dependencies, pre/post scripts and such need to be done and done right, that's as far as I can tell what would cause one package to be called sloppy
[04:58] <Trey85> so what are the major diffrences from ubuntu
[04:58] <stdin> there is only 1, kubuntu has KDE not Gnome
[04:58] <dwidmann> Trey85: huh? when compared to?
[04:59] <Trey85> kubuntu
[04:59] <dwidmann> Trey85: different default packages .... that's it. Same repos and everyting else.
[04:59] <genii> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship   from Debian
[05:00] <Trey85> then i might have the same problem i had with ubuntu
[05:00] <dwidmann> Trey85: might
[05:00] <Trey85> i couldn't figure out what was going on
[05:01] <Trey85> on my laptop when i tried to load ubuntu it was like my screen just turned off but the computer stayed on
[05:01] <Trey85> on my desktop it showed the ubuntu load bar but then nothing just blank screen
[05:02] <dwidmann> Trey85: did ctrl+alt+f2 to anything?
[05:02] <dwidmann> (for the desktop, anyway)
[05:02] <Trey85> no
[05:02] <Trey85> i didn
[05:03] <dwidmann> couldn't get to a vt? That makes things difficult :\
[05:03] <Trey85> *didn't try ctrl+alt+f2
[05:03] <Trey85> didn't know that one
[05:03] <genii> Goodnight and I'll be back in 8 hours
[05:04] <Trey85> wow th kubuntu torrent is slow
[05:05] <dwidmann> Trey85: worth trying to get to a vt at any rate
[05:05] <needhelp> !mac
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <Trey85> brb
[05:10] <needhelp> Trey85: try the download link instead of torrent?
[05:12] <Trey85> ok back
[05:12] <Trey85> first of what is vt
[05:15] <utnubuk> how can i get my mouse to do a right click on a macbook?
[05:15] <Trey85> and second what computer do i try it on
[05:15] <utnubuk> looking around in system settings and cant find anything
[05:16] <needhelp> utnubuk: kubuntu on macbook? mouse or pad?
[05:16] <utnubuk> pad
[05:16] <needhelp> i'm installing kubuntu now on my macbook :P finishing in awhile
[05:16] <utnubuk> cool
[05:17] <Darkrift2> i just noticed my sound isnt working, what can i do to test if everything is setup right?
[05:17] <Darkrift2> i have no errors, just no sound
[05:17] <needhelp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#touchpadtweaks
[05:17] <utnubuk> ive been going through the macbook wiki, but this keyboard shortcut thing is complex
[05:17] <utnubuk> ah ty
[05:17] <needhelp> i'm reading too..does your wireless work after installation?
[05:18] <utnubuk> no
[05:18] <utnubuk> i used to right click on the icon in the sys tray to turn it on, so i need to fix my mouse so i can move further :)
[05:19] <needhelp> haha..ok..good thing i have a external mouse that can right click
[05:19] <Darkrift2> lol
[05:19] <Trey85> dwidmann you still there
[05:20] <phil_> watsup
[05:21] <Trey85> not much
[05:21] <phil_> cool
[05:21] <phil_> bored
[05:21] <phil_> wat ru using??
[05:21] <utnubuk> wish i had access to one :/
[05:21] <utnubuk> .
[05:22] <phil_> ?
[05:22] <utnubuk> mmmm compiz
[05:22] <Trey85> trying to get anything to work
[05:23] <needhelp> Darkrift: erm u can try : lspci | grep -i audio
[05:23] <needhelp> Darkrift: if there are something.. try speaker-test
[05:23] <needhelp> to abort press Ctrl-c ..
[05:23] <needhelp> you may want to open sound-mixer to tune up the volume
[05:24] <dwidmann> Trey85: yeah
[05:24] <phil_> i cant get frostwire 2 boot up
[05:25] <Trey85> ok so i am a noob to linux so tell me more about what you mentioned erlier
[05:25] <phil_> neone ??
[05:26] <dwidmann> Trey85: well, if you try to boot and X (the gui) doesn't come up, the first thing to try is to switch to a virtual terminal (text based environment) ctrl + alt + f[1-6] will get you to any of the six virtual terminals
[05:27] <Trey85> ok
[05:28] <Trey85> so should i try it on the one where i could see the ubuntu load screen or the one with the screen going off
[05:28] <dwidmann> Trey85: the one with the ubuntu load screen.
[05:29] <Trey85> ok so what about the other one
[05:29] <Trey85> thats actualy the one I am plaing on using it
[05:29] <dwidmann> Trey85: the other one ...... I'm not so sure ..... did the live cd work on it?
[05:30] <flipstar> phil_: did you installed via it via .deb ?
[05:30] <phil_> yes
[05:30] <phil_> it worked for awhile now it wont boot up
[05:30] <flipstar> so what happens when you type frostwire in a terminal ?
[05:31] <Trey85> its the same DVD tested on both computeres and as i said one showed the load screen and then jsut did nothing the other my laptop screen just turned off
[05:31] <Trey85> it computer was still on but it was like it didn''t like the graphics
[05:32] <flipstar> Trey85: which graphic card you have ?
[05:32] <Trey85> nvidia 8600M GS
[05:33] <dwidmann> Trey85: hmm, might not work without the propietary nvidia drivers
[05:33] <Trey85> how would i do that with the livedisk
[05:34] <dwidmann> Trey85: if it's the dvd, do the alternate install, then boot in recovery mode afterwards
[05:34] <sgrover> Anyone know the dpkg command off the top of your head to fix a half installed package?
[05:35] <dwidmann> Trey85: from there on you would need to install the nvidia drivers (requires a working net connection)
[05:35] <Trey85> hum well I am going to reburn this ISO and see if works
[05:36] <Trey85> i am wondering if nero is a POS
[05:36] <sgrover> hehe... I always thought so...
[05:36] <Trey85> because it seemed to always get errors and this one dosn't
[05:36] <dwidmann> Trey85: what are you using now?
[05:36] <dwidmann> (K3b ftw)
[05:36] <Trey85> infrarecorder
[05:37] <flipstar> sgrover: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[05:39] <dwidmann> So, Trey85, you'll need to "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new && sudo nvidia-xconfig" afterwards, then reboot and see how things go.
[05:39] <dwidmann> I've got to get to bed though ... it's really late (1:39am) here, and I'm tired.
[05:40] <Trey85> ok night
[05:41] <sgrover> flipstar: thanks.  Just tracked it down in the forums:  dpkg --configure -a
[05:42] <sgrover> A friend is having problems, and isn't toooooo familiar with command line.  She's all frustrated and set to reinstall from scratch cuz of this... :)  Guess she gets to see the power of the command line tonight....
[05:45] <phil_> woah
[05:47] <phil_> bored
[05:48] <needhelp> use apt-get
[05:49] <phil_> Starting FrostWire...
[05:49] <phil_> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[05:49] <phil_> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. FrostWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com
[05:49] <phil_> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/lib/  hierarchy
[05:49] <phil_> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:49] <phil_> ls: /usr/java/j*: No such file or directory
[05:49] <phil_> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[05:49] <phil_> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:49] <phil_> ls: /opt/j*: No such file or directory
[05:49] <phil_> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /opt/  hierarchy
[05:49] <phil_> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:49] <phil_> phil@philspos:~$
[05:49] <phil_> wtf do i do?
[05:50] <phil_> ??
[05:50] <flipstar> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[05:50] <needhelp> yeah have u installed java?
[05:53] <Darkrift2> anyone here think they might be able to help me get my audio working?
[05:53] <Darkrift2> checked ALL volume, and they are all at max
[05:53] <phil_> it says i need to update my sun java
[05:53] <Darkrift2> i think its a driver/setting problem but i dont know where to start
[06:01] <needhelp> hmm why do i always hang halfway in apt-get at sg.archive.ubuntu.com ? it seems to download very fast initially
[06:03] <needhelp> !repository
[06:03] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[06:26] <needhelp> anyone know how to get the sound in macbook to work for kubuntu?
[06:36] <Jurgentje> Hi... I installed the latest beta of Kubuntu 8.04 and don't have sound... anyone who could lend me a hand? (I didn't have troubles in Kubuntu 7.10)
[06:37] <ere4si> Jurgentje: for 8.04 troubles you need to ask in #ubuntu+1
[06:38] <Jurgentje> ere4si: thanks
[06:38] <ere4si> k
[06:39] <needhelp> !mp3
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:42] <needhelp> anyone know how to get the sound in macbook to work for kubuntu? it seems to be detected but no sound although volume is max up
[06:42] <Jurgentje> needhelp: what version are you running?
[06:43] <Jurgentje> is it the beta version 8.04 ... or are you running the version 7.10?
[06:43] <nitin> when i installed ubuntu 7.04 i also had no sound, but in ubuntu 7.10 i had sound, is it possible that i will have no sound in 8.04
[06:44] <needhelp> i'm running 7.10
[06:45] <needhelp> OK its working nowwwwwww.. i did the wiki help and restarted and it work :)))
[06:45] <Jurgentje> anyone in here familiar with using an iPod under Amarok (or installing iTunes under wine)? When I run amarok, and try to sync to my ipod... it's corrupted
[06:45] <Jurgentje> needhelp: so what did you have to do?
[06:47] <needhelp> its either i add options snd_hda_intel model=mbp3  in /etc/modprobe.d/options
[06:48] <needhelp> or install snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-hda-intel $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hda-intel on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:54] <Darkrift2> i wish my sound worked
[06:55] <Darkrift2> !alsa
[06:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:55] <jussio1> needhelp: Darkrift2which sound cards do you have?
[06:56] <Darkrift2> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[06:56] <jussio1> Darkrift2: I beleve this applies to you then:
[06:56] <jussio1> !intelhda
[06:56] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[06:57] <Darkrift2> ty, ill read it now
[06:59] <Darkrift2> jussio1,  mine doesnt hang though, does that make a difference?
[07:00] <jussio1> not really sure
[07:01] <needhelp> i'm using Intel Corporation 82801H
[07:04] <jussio1> needhelp: then see that link also
[07:05] <Darkrift2> it says thsi is a list of soundcards for nvidia, but i see chipsets, not my soundcard models :s http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Nvidia
[07:05] <Darkrift2> it tells me to use one of those as my soundcard model and modprobe snd-"driver model"
[07:06] <Darkrift2> but i dont think that is correct :(
[07:07] <Darkrift2> i do notice i have the snd-intel drivers enabled, but my sound is nvidia not intel so im completely lost
[07:07] <Darkrift2> s/drivers enabled/modules loaded/
[07:10] <needhelp> sigh my touchpad can't click
[07:11] <needhelp> i mean.. when i tap, it doesn;t click
[07:21] <nitin> in ubuntu when i open folder containing videos there displays a small image preview of that video. but in kubuntu it does not. can this be enable in kubuntu also
[07:25] <needhelp> help, anyone know where to get synaptics drivers?
[07:25] <Darkrift2> my kubuntu came with them
[07:25] <Darkrift2> my touchpad is synaptics
[07:25] <Darkrift2> look in your xorg.conf i think i saw a setting to uncomment for a certain model
[07:25] <needhelp> hmm actually mine too.. i can move but i can't tap
[07:25] <Darkrift2> make sure yo back it up before making changes
[07:26] <Darkrift2> sorry, tap works on mine
[07:26] <Darkrift2> anyways, off to watch a movie with the wife, good luck
[07:26] <needhelp> kkk enjoy
[07:27] <justnulling2> reinstalling 0710 on new computer (had some lock up problems few times in so many days) but it gets locked up now at install sometimes before loading livecd and now it is 22% into coping files and mouse is gone can type at console but when press enter commands don't run, any ideas?
[07:28] <justnulling2> running on gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H
[07:29] <asobi> check for sufficient ram?
[07:29] <justnulling2> 2gb memtests ran fine
[07:30] <asobi> beats me :/
[07:31] <flipstar> nitin: just install mplayerthumbs
[07:32] <flipstar> (and restart konqueror)
[07:33] <flipstar> in konqueror settings>file preview you have more options
[07:33] <nitin> flipstar: ok
[07:33] <justnulling2> it's a bummer
[07:33] <needhelp> !repository
[07:33] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[07:35] <flipstar> justnulling2: the cd is okay ? if yes you might try an alternate cd
[07:37] <sintrand> geia sasa
[07:37] <sintrand> *sas
[07:38] <ere4si> sintrand: in english please
[07:38] <sintrand> lol re file
[07:39] <sintrand> eisai gtpk
[07:39] <ere4si> ?
[07:45] <needhelp> anyone having problems with macbook touchpad tapping doesn't click?
[07:45] <needhelp> anyone having problems with macbook touchpad tapping doesn't work?
[08:07] <Trey__> hey
[08:09] <user__> hallo
[08:12] <jussi01> hey Trey__
[08:14] <Trey__> so there are people still up
[08:17] <jussi01> its 10.17 am here
[08:17] <jussi01> can we help you with something?
[08:17] <Trey__> well when i came in i was going to ask what you guys like better gnome or kde
[08:17] <Trey__> but i decided on kde
[08:18] <jussi01> Trey__: ok then. well this is the support channel, so iff you need any help, just ask
[08:18] <jussi01> :)
[08:18] <Trey__> you havn't used mandriva have you
[08:19] <jussi01> no
[08:19] <Trey__> i am trying to compare it to kubuntu
[08:19] <devilsadvocate> Trey__, I have, briefly
[08:20] <jussi01> Trey__: its a good idea to google things like this, there are many opinions about such things online
[08:20] <devilsadvocate> Trey__, dont belive everything you read though :P
[08:20] <Trey__> ya
[08:20] <Trey__> it is very hard though to get a feel from forms
[08:20] <jussi01> Trey__: otherwise, if it is opinions you are after, perhaps #kubuntu-offtopic is the place to ask.
[08:21] <Trey__> because its not real time feedback
[08:21] <Trey__> ok
[08:21] <Trey__> i didn't mean to break any rules or anything
[08:23] <justnulling2> flipstar:yes cd is ok, ok let me download alt cd
[08:23] <clau30_> jussi01: where are you from, if I may ask (you must be GMT+2 :)
[08:24] <jussi01> Trey__: you are fine. :)
[08:24] <jussi01> clau30_: somewhere in gmt+2 :)
[08:25] <clau30_> lol ok
[08:26] <needhelp> anyone having problems with macbook touchpad tapping doesn't work?
[08:28] <jussi01> needhelp: I think there is a ksynaptics package that helps enable it IIRC
[08:50] <Trey__> hey dose anyone know about this issue with hanging on startup after setting hostname
[09:03] <TeslaTony> Does anyone know how to turn a wifi card and its related driver off without physically disconnecting the card or rebooting the computer?
[09:20] <nanothief> with the dvd download for kubuntu beta from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/beta/ , is the kubuntu supplied the one with kde3 or kde4?
[09:22] <ere4si> nanothief: kde3
[09:23] <nanothief> ere4si: ok. Is there a dvd download with kde4 on it? I would prefer a dvd release, as my home computer has fairly poor internet, while where I'm atm has fast internet
[09:23] <nanothief> and I thought downloading as a dvd would save me downloading many packages
[09:28] <flipstar> seems like no kde4 dvd availible but you can use 'aptoncd'
[09:38] <nanothief> flipstar: k thanks for the hint
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> lo each
[09:39] <Sir_Corgi> Watch out!  It's Action Parsnip!
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> you'd better!
[09:39] <Sir_Corgi> He will totally fuck you up!
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> or fix your system. either is good
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> He can do boooooooth....
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> just pulling down hardy for a giggle
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> O_O
[09:41] <Sir_Corgi> I don't know what pulling down means... lol
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> downloading
[09:41] <Sir_Corgi> Oh, okay. lol
[09:42] <shadowbox> good morning
[09:42] <Sir_Corgi> Good morning, shadowbox.
[09:43] <shadowbox> I have a bluetooth question
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> sup shadowbox
[09:44] <shadowbox> I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse that are really cool looking, but cant seem to get them working. I'm using the program in my system tray but I cant seem the find anything with it
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: what model kb / mouse
[09:45] <shadowbox> hmmm, let me check
[09:47] <shadowbox> cant find a model # anywhere. I can find it on the net I'm sure
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> ok shadowbox if you can get it i'll have a butchers
[09:51] <shadowbox> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/press/2002/10-15OpticalMousekb-lg.jpg
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> looks nice
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> got a model name?
[09:54] <shadowbox> lol, cant find it anywhere
[09:54] <shadowbox> I have the fcc #
[09:54] <shadowbox> sn#
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> whats the fcc
[09:54] <shadowbox> hmm..  wbr0295 ?   maybe
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> lets try
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Microsoft, WBR0295 Bluetooth Optical Keyboard
[09:55] <shadowbox> the rules of the fcc is what all electronic must adhear to
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227057
[09:56] <shadowbox> sweet
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227057
[09:57] <shadowbox> thanks allot ActionParsnip:
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24439 looks promising too
[09:59] <Tm_T> kids, remember offtopic etc ;)
[10:00]  * ActionParsnip is helping pair up a bluetooth kb/mouse 
[10:00] <Tm_T> yup, just reminding, not accusing
[10:00] <Sir_Corgi> Sure he is... ;)
[10:01] <shadowbox> mouse shows up but not keyboard
[10:01] <shadowbox> (after scanning)
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: ok, cool
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: ok well we're halfway there
[10:01] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: I am ;)
[10:01] <shadowbox> checking batteries
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: yeah was gonna say
[10:02]  * ActionParsnip laughs
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> any joy shadowbox?
[10:23] <root> Dessirecanizales
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> root: are you running your irc client as root?
[10:23] <nico_> Hey, i've got the following problem: I can only run firefox as root. When i try to start firefox as normal user, the icon jumps under the curser, as known in kde, and nothing happens
[10:24] <nico_> I also tried to run firefox over the console. Nothing happens, too. There's no error and nothing
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> nico_: try closing all firefoxes and do sudo mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> nico_: then rerun firefox
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> nico_: if the mv fails do ls -a to show the hidden files and mv the folder most likely to be firefoxes config file
[10:25] <nico_> works, thanx^^
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> nico_: it may be ~/.mozilla-firefox I can't remember
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> nico_: watch your sudo-ing
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> nico_: do not sudo gui apps (like kwrite) etc
[10:26] <nico_> i've linux mce installed
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> use kdesu
[10:26] <nico_> it runs everything as root, thats maybe a problem
[10:27] <nico_> www.linuxmce.com
[10:27] <nico_> it's a media center for kubuntu
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> nico_: really BAD idea, I'd su to a normal user
[10:27] <nico_> it skips the normal login, and automatically logs in as root
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> nico_: especialy web apps
[10:28] <nico_> but, that a known issue and i can't change it
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> nico_: check the convenience tab in system settings
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> nico_:  under login I think ( I dont have my virtualbox no more and I'm not on my home pc)
[10:29] <shadowbox> ok finally
[10:29] <nico_> I can't change the login. I tried it. But when i change, i can't start Linux MCE
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: and the problem was....
[10:29] <shadowbox> now when Ido a scan it picks up both..
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> nico_: wow thats horrendous
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: sweet
[10:30] <shadowbox> batteries and a cruddy terminal believe it or not
[10:30] <nico_> It's like i said, it is a known issue
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> nico_: install regular kubuntu and install all the apps from repos
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> nico_: is it hugely different?
[10:30] <nico_> i did^^
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> nico_: ive heard of the mc ed but never used it
[10:31] <nico_> i just installed regular kubuntu
[10:31] <nico_> and then mce
[10:31] <andybleaden> HI Looking for some advice re ripping radio streams.Used Kstream ripper but cannot rip bbc streams anyone else found this
[10:31] <shadowbox> now when Ido a scan it picks up both..(seprately) do they need to be 'found on the same scan cycle?
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: not especialy, you can pair them seperately
[10:32] <shadowbox> oh ok
[10:32] <andybleaden> Anyone any joy with ripping radio streams to mp3
[10:32] <andybleaden> From the BBC
[10:32] <nico_> But i think you all can understand that i don't want to use Windows MCE
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> yeah neither would i
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> andybleaden: how are the streamed? is it an asx? or is it flash / realplayer?
[10:34] <andybleaden> I currently use realplayer I have downloaded the rpm files
[10:34] <andybleaden> and then open them in realplayer
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> so its a real player stream. I'm guessing the rpm is relatively small in size
[10:34] <shadowbox> sudo gedit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: no no no
[10:34] <shadowbox> I get a command not found
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: kdesu gedit ....
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: never use sudo for gui apps
[10:35] <nico_> what is better with an ati radeon x1800 XT? fglrx or radeonhd ?
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: it damages permissions and ownerships
[10:35] <andybleaden> tried using them in kstream. the files are 100b or so v small
[10:35] <shadowbox> ahh, thats the command they give in the wiki
[10:35] <shadowbox> forum I mean
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: sudo is for stuff like cp, mv, pt-get etc
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> *apt-get
[10:36] <shadowbox> ahh
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: stuff that stays on the command line
[10:36] <andybleaden> so when I use k stream ripper it does not ever connect
[10:36] <shadowbox> ahh ok
[10:36] <shadowbox> thanks
[10:36] <nico_> but what's the difference between sudo and kdesu?
[10:36] <nonewmsgs> shadowbox, i am guilty for giving it as advice in forums...you are supposed to use kdesudo or gtksudo (but i often do it myself)
[10:37] <martalli> You could certainly do sudo kate, too...if you are calling from the cli
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> andybleaden: http://www.tomtaylor.co.uk/blog/2006/09/01/how-to-rip-bbc-radio-streams-to-mp3/
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> andybleaden: you tried that?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> martalli: it can harm the permissions on the editted file which may be aconfig file for boot. yo uwould then have a useless systsem without considerable effort
[10:38] <shadowbox> ok, I still get a command not found
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: are you in kubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:38] <shadowbox> does that mean I dont have gedit?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> just curious with the use of gedit
[10:38] <martalli> Is that right?  Well, I had better mend my ways
[10:38] <shadowbox> kubuntu
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: then its kdesu kate <file>
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: or kdesu kwrite <file>
[10:39] <nonewmsgs> anyway guys i am in desperate need for a shower and then i must leave for work.  laterz
[10:39] <nico_away> when you usually installed kubuntu from a kubuntu cd, then you only have kate and no gedit
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: gedit is GNOME Editor
[10:39] <nico_away> but you kan apt-get it
[10:39] <flipstar> martalli: see http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for details
[10:39] <shadowbox> ahhh
[10:39] <martalli> Surely, one could use any particular text editor, right?  The reason for kate is just because its a qt app
[10:39] <nico_away> # sudo apt-get install gedit
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> martalli: absolutely
[10:40] <shadowbox> so kwrite it is
[10:40] <vosque> Hi, trying to boot the latest 8.04 beta on my eeepc, and it stops after the kernel probes all the USB devices.    The kernel still runs, as when I unhook a USB device I get a kernel disconnect notice.  Has anyone seen anything similar?
[10:40]  * martalli likes kate
[10:40] <nico_away> wait for the final 8.04 and try 7.10 vosque
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> martalli: could even use sudo pico <file>
[10:41] <nico_away> 8.04 is still full of bugs
[10:41] <vosque> nico_away: I've got 7.10 loaded on a different SD card, I just wanted to try the beta out.  Thanks anyway!
[10:41] <shadowbox> sudo /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart
[10:41]  * nonewmsgs kate is hot and ed is not
[10:41] <martalli> Is pico avail?  I have been using nano on the cli
[10:41] <vosque> gotcha
[10:41] <shadowbox> would that command be right?
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: yes as that stays on command line, you can use kdesu for ALL commands if you wish
[10:42] <andybleaden> Thanks Action parsnip  that looks different( I think)  I will give it a try
[10:42] <shadowbox> ok
[10:42] <martalli> Back in the early 90's we got pine and my favorite part of it was the pico editor...so straightforward
[10:43] <martalli> I really didn't want an editor that could play chess for me, or looked the same as it did in the 70's...but I thought some wierd patent or license issue kept pico out of the gpl, so nano was a rewrite
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> nano is cool
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> i like the -w to make files writable
[10:44] <llutz> oeh, -w "Disable wrapping of long lines"
[10:45] <drif> llutz: hey, don't underestimate power of placebo :D
[10:45] <llutz> *g
[10:46] <shadowbox> sudo /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart
[10:46] <shadowbox> I get a CNF
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> cnf?
[10:46] <shadowbox> command not found
[10:46] <drif> ActionParsnip: could it be that you recall it bit incorrectly and actually mean -v to view-only?
[10:46] <llutz> shadowbox:  /etc/init.d/bluetooth
[10:47] <shadowbox> ha, you rock
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: try using tab to get to the command
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: you dont type much in linux as tab does all the work for you
[10:47] <nonewmsgs> shadowbox,  i am totally going to start using CNF it sounds badasss
[10:48] <shadowbox> lol
[10:48] <shadowbox> Display all 2016 possibilities? (y or n)
[10:48] <drif> happy browsing :D
[10:49] <shadowbox> yeah, I'm thinking.....no thanks
[10:49] <drif> shadowbox: did you just write b and press tab?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: hehe not quite but if you type fire and press tab..look what you get :)
[10:49] <shadowbox> no... I just hit tab
[10:49] <shadowbox> lol
[10:49] <drif> shadowbox: you need to first feed it some clues ;)
[10:50] <martalli> tab completion is awesome
[10:50] <shadowbox> ah, so I gather the tab is a list of command poss. for the given text typed
[10:51] <drif> yup
[10:51] <shadowbox> cool
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> martalli: you get it in xp too :)
[10:51] <martalli> skip opening adept to see which packs you have....sudo apt-g[tab] remove linux-im[tab] ... I do this every so often to clen out old kernels, or you can do this to see what packages you have, or just to shorten your typing, navigate directories (really slick), and so on
[10:51] <andybleaden> HI again action parsnip...tried the tomtaylor but I am getting stuck
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: yes, as well as files :)
[10:51] <Jucato> !tab
[10:51] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[10:51] <andybleaden> I have reinstalled mplayer
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> andybleaden: Ive not used it dude. its something i googled
[10:51] <andybleaden> ah
[10:52] <Jucato> andybleaden: you can type Action the press tab to autocomplete ActionParsnip's nick
[10:52] <andybleaden> ActionParsnip: ah..sorry
[10:52] <shadowbox> I mean I 'knew' that and all... I was just....well.......
[10:52] <martalli> ActionParsnip: It's avail in xp?  areyou sure?  I think actual DOS was better than xp's cli, since F3 worked back then.  Of course, you might be impppying use of cygwin
[10:52] <shadowbox> ok, I never knew it
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> martalli: absolutely
[10:52] <benishor> Hello all. I upgraded kubuntu to 8.04 and installed kde4. Does anybody know why the kdm manager is disabled in system settings ?
[10:53] <andybleaden> Jucato: thanks ..bit a newbie
[10:53] <andybleaden> anyone else tried to record bbc streams
[10:53] <llutz> martalli: up/down for cmd-history works in xp cmd.exe too, also completion
[10:53] <Jucato> benishor: #kubuntu-kde4 people might know why
[10:53] <martalli> benishor: When you install kde4, it gives you the option of using kdm-kde4...is that what you chose?
[10:53] <benishor> yes martalli, kdm-kde4 is the default one.
[10:53] <shadowbox> 8.04 is out already?
[10:53] <drif> llutz: isn't it something as unpractical as ctrl+f etc. as default?
[10:53] <benishor> it also starts as default, but I cannot configure it
[10:54] <benishor> 10x Jucato
[10:54] <martalli> shadowbox: beta
[10:54] <shadowbox> holy moses
[10:54] <llutz> drif: not here
[10:54] <shadowbox> ohh
[10:54] <shadowbox> does it look different?
[10:54] <drif> llutz: atleast prior to SP's it was - if I recall correctly
[10:55] <martalli> benishor: I'm just guessing, but you might try the system settings setup from kde4 (make sure you are not using the kde3 version, as they may both be in the system menu)
[10:55] <martalli> shadowbox: not much
[10:56] <martalli> I feel like we are the poor cousins to ubuntu.  Riddell is overworked.  Canonical needs to give him a few Englishmen to put under his boot and work for him on the kubuntu releases
[10:56] <benishor> martalli : I'm using System Settings from kde4 allright. I just made a test : I ran kde3 system settings and login manager allowed me to enter in administrator mode
[10:56] <shadowbox> bummer, I was kinda hoping for the menu to look like Suse 10.2. It's pretty nifty
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know where there is a hardy torrent thats seeded?
[10:57] <martalli> Kubuntu has felt pretty much like a quick roll of standard kde on top of ubuntu-minimal...a little better with 7.10
[10:57] <Jucato> shadowbox: that's the KDE 4 menu. but kickoff is also available for KDE 3
[10:57] <martalli> ActionParsnip: You should be able to get it right from the kubuntu front page
[10:57] <shadowbox> ahh, did not know
[10:57] <andybleaden> The other general question I have is about converting ape files. I used to use mac but that seems not to work anymore...any body here use it still
[10:58] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: there should only be one torrent source
[10:58] <nanothief> I thought it was listed on the download page
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> Jucato: got one :)
[10:58] <Jucato> nanothief: well since it's not yet released, it wouldn't be on the download page yet, but on the individual hardy announcement pages
[10:59] <shadowbox> ActionParsnip: I do a "sudo hidd --search" and it cant find my kb/mouse
[10:59] <nanothief> Jucato: yeah *that* download page :P
[10:59] <Jucato> :D
[11:00] <shadowbox> ActionParsnip: can i show you my kate  file? maybe I'm missing something
[11:00] <shadowbox> ActionParsnip: I dont know half of what I'm looking anyway  lol
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: sure, use the pastebin
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> !paste
[11:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:03] <shadowbox> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61208/
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: i'm not so up on bluetooth stuff, maybe someone else can assist. looks ok to me
[11:06] <shadowbox> ok thaks
[11:06] <shadowbox> anyone one here up on bluetooth stuff?
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: try gooling for the name of the file, you might get some examples
[11:11] <shadowbox> dude I got working
[11:12] <shadowbox> I just skipped the parts I couldnt get working and went a step or two further
[11:12] <shadowbox> then went out of order
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: awesome dude, smooth move :D
[11:12]  * ActionParsnip applauds
[11:13] <shadowbox> haha who would have thunk it
[11:13] <shadowbox> so I guess it will work after a reboot?
[11:14] <shadowbox> I'm showing of my new system I just built tonight
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> shadowbox: only one way to know :)
[11:15] <benishor> martalli : I managed to enable it by specifically running kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings
[11:15] <benishor> that's weird though
[11:15] <shadowbox> ActionParsnip: be right back   :)
[11:21] <flipstar> how can i bypass an "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error" due extracting via tar -xf ?
[11:22] <shadowbox> It works
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> flipstar: googleing now
[11:22]  * flipstar reading man's
[11:22] <shadowbox> I had to wait a minute or two
[11:23] <shadowbox> before the keyboard and mouse would work
[11:24] <shadowbox> restarting to see if I have to give permission for bluetooth access everytime I reboot
[11:24] <ere4si> flipstar: thought you need   tar -xzf   for .gz
[11:25] <flipstar> same error
[11:25] <flipstar> i think there is a crc error
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> flipstar: http://www.math.utah.edu/docs/info/gzip_2.html
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> flipstar: 6th paragraph last few lines
[11:30] <aobo> need help with essay!
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> aobo: in what sense
[11:31] <aobo> dont know its due tomorrow
[11:31] <aobo> need to talk about LED
[11:31] <aobo> for an engineering essay
[11:31] <aobo> sustainability
[11:32] <aobo> my idea is switch all the traffic lights into LED lights
[11:32] <aobo> but im stuck
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> well start with what they have now and what you propose
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> and why they are different
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> and why its better
[11:32] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> as well as why its worse
[11:33] <stefan-f> when I do ftps, is there a need for opening port22 on firewall?
[11:33] <stefan-f> can someone help?
[11:34] <stefan-f> soorry there is a proftp server in dmz, do I need port 22 for clients doing ftps?
[11:35] <aobo> sorry i dont understand computer stuff
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> aobo: its not computery stuff
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> you want to change something. say why and how its better
[11:37] <aobo> sorry i was say that to stefan
[11:37] <aobo> yeah im writing it now. thanks
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> aobo: cool
[11:40] <matt___> i just installed kubuntu 64bit, and now when i go to install my graphics driver (hitctrl, alt, f2, sudo /etc/inetd.conf/kdm stop, my screen goes blank, and after trying to select f2 again, it stays black
[11:40] <matt___> eventually i have to tap the power button and wait for shutdown
[11:40] <aobo> i just installed kubuntu for the first time ever a few days ago. i like it more than XP
[11:41] <matt___> it is an nvidia driver, i can't be running x
[11:41] <aobo> do you have to install a graphics driver?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia
[11:41] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:42] <matt___> aobo: i want to, it gives me much better performance
[11:42] <aobo> oh okay
[11:42] <SlimeyPete> matt___: best to use the restricted driver manager if possible
[11:42] <SlimeyPete> in the system settings menu
[11:42] <matt___> aobo: i know how to do it, did it plenty of times in 32bit, but 64bit isn't working.
[11:46] <sigma_1234> where are apt-get cached packages stored?
[11:47] <flipstar>  /var/cache/apt/archive
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> sigma_1234: you can clear them with sudo apt-get clean
[11:48] <sigma_1234> if i copy downloaded packages there will apt install them?
[11:48] <flipstar> no..
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> sigma_1234: use dpkg -i <deb file>
[11:49] <sigma_1234> but they have a load of dependencies
[11:49] <flipstar> sigma_1234: install via gdebi
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> sigma_1234: what package do you have downloaded
[11:49] <llutz> "sudo aptitude -f install" after dpkg ...
[11:50] <flipstar> thats kind of rude..isnt it ?
[11:50] <llutz> no, it just clears dependencies
[11:51] <flipstar> hm nvm
[11:52] <sigma_1234> i had a slight issue last night. i ran a command and wiped my hdd clean. i had backed my apt cache folder up and now i want to reinstall the apps
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> sigma_1234: use * then ;)
[11:53] <sigma_1234> *?
[11:53] <flipstar> sudo dpkg -i * && sudo aptitude -f install
[11:54] <sigma_1234> i see
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> nice one flip
[11:54] <flipstar> !clone | sigma_1234 next time use this
[11:54] <ubotu> sigma_1234 next time use this: To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[11:54] <flipstar> ActionParsnip: just copy & paste :)
[11:55] <sigma_1234> !automate
[11:55] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[11:55] <sigma_1234> !cloning
[11:55] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[11:55] <Pici> flipstar: That means that all the packages need to be downloaded again though.  A aptoncd would probably be better.
[11:55] <Pici> !aptoncd
[11:56] <ubotu> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[11:56] <sigma_1234> that sounds alot better
[11:56] <flipstar> Pici: there need to be an apt-p2p or so :)
[11:57] <sigma_1234> how do you setup apt on cd?
[11:57] <Pici> flipstar: I believe apt-bittorent is in the planning stages
[11:57] <flipstar> yes..heard about that xD
[11:58] <aobo> i need some help with kubuntu. I just installed it and i dont know how to install a graphics driver.
[11:58] <aobo> i have dual OS running. windows XP and kubuntu
[11:59] <flipstar> aobo: kmenu>system>restricted driver manager
[11:59] <aobo> XP has a driver installed but kubuntu does not seem to have the graphics driver connected to it
[11:59] <aobo> i cant see that
[12:00] <aobo> also any quick key for kmenu? and whats the key combinations for swtiching desktops...
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> aobo: ctrl+alt+cursor i think
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> aobo: you using kwin or you using compiz?
[12:01] <aobo> ?
[12:01] <aobo> :S
[12:01] <aobo> whats the cursor bit in the comb.?
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> ctrl+alt+right
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> ctrl+alt+left
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> etc.
[12:02] <aobo> aaah cool thanks
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/2289.html
[12:02] <flipstar> SlimeyPete: etc...? you have more than that ? :P
[12:02] <aobo> nope doesnt work
[12:03] <aobo> i have 6....
[12:03] <aobo> is that too much?
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> you should be able to have way more than 6
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> aobo: you can have as many as your ram will take
[12:03]  * SlimeyPete doesn't use them though so may be remembering wrong, sorry
[12:04] <aobo> so how do i swap the desktop again? my lecturer does it in lecture. switch between codes and presentations
[12:04] <flipstar> aobo: according to the url above.. Shift-Ctrl-F1 to F4
[12:05] <aobo> oops didnt see that webpage
[12:10] <aobo> thanks
[12:16] <flipstar> any guides on how to burn an bootable cd with several iso's ?
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> that would probably require modifying the bootloader (not simple)
[12:17] <algyz> flipstar:  maybe this http://lg.cybermirror.org/issue85/sipos.html  ?
[12:18] <flipstar> algyz: thanks :) i'll check this
[12:18] <algyz> Hope it'll help ;)
[12:23] <aobo> hey guys do you reckon all the traffic lights are using LEDs now?
[12:23] <aobo> or maybe still normal filament ones
[12:23] <ForsakenSoul> hi can someone help me with Virtual box
[12:24] <Jucato> and this has relation to Kubuntu, how?
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> aobo: alot are using LED's ,yes
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: wassup man?
[12:24] <aobo> oh. how do i join another forum?
[12:24] <Jucato> !offtopic | aobo
[12:24] <ubotu> aobo: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:24] <aobo> im new to kubuntu let alone this
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> ForsakenSoul: you might find better help in #vbox, if not... please do ask here :)
[12:24] <Jucato> aobo: you join other channels by typing /join #channel_name
[12:25] <ForsakenSoul> yeah I know but sometimes they answer kinda slow :D you are more active here :D
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> ask away ForsakenSoul
[12:25] <ForsakenSoul> if I need any help I'll write again :D
[12:26] <ForsakenSoul> ActionPersnip well I try to start a VM and it just aborts
[12:26] <ForsakenSoul> i've put the user in the virtualbox group
[12:26] <ForsakenSoul> and logged out and in again and does the same thing
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: tried creating a new virtual system?
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> yeah
[12:27]  * Jucato wonders if the vbox kernel module is loaded
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> with the same vdi file for hard drive
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> ForsakenSoul: any errors when it aborts?
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> should I make a new hard drive
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> no
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: create a new one
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> no logs either
[12:27] <ForsakenSoul> ok
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: is the command vbox or virtualbox to run it?
[12:28] <ForsakenSoul> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61216/
[12:28] <ForsakenSoul> error when I try to start a new system
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: you compiled from source?
[12:30] <ForsakenSoul> no from package
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> ForsakenSoul: did you get it from the repos?
[12:30] <ForsakenSoul> I used adept manager as always
[12:30] <ForsakenSoul> yeah
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> good
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> ok
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> hmmm. try mv ~/.VirtualBox ~/.VirtualBox_old
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> then rerun virtualbox
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> this may help too http://www.ubuntugeek.com/create-and-manage-virtual-machines-using-virtualbox.html
[12:33] <ForsakenSoul> ActionParnsnip nope didn;t work with the command
[12:33] <ForsakenSoul> thanks anyway
[12:34] <aobo_> hey how come im logged in twice one with aobo_ and the other aobo
[12:34] <aobo_> how do i fix it?
[12:34] <Jucato> !ghost
[12:34] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> aobo_: you logged in to another pc?
[12:34] <aobo_> no...
[12:34] <aobo_> i just logged out and in
[12:34] <SlimeyPete> the other one will die of its own accord eventually, but you can ghost it if you like (if you've registered your nickname)
[12:34] <aobo_> i didnt register.
[12:35] <aobo_> im new to this
[12:35] <SlimeyPete> aobo_: the server will automatically kill the other one if there's no client attached to it, but it takes a few minutes.
[12:35] <aobo_> :S
[12:35] <aobo_> ah cool thanks guys
[12:35] <jpatrick> !register | aobo_
[12:35] <ubotu> aobo_: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[12:35] <aobo_> !register
[12:35] <aobo_> doesnt work..
[12:35] <algyz> aobo_:  just follow the link :D
[12:35] <aobo_> ah.
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ! = bot commands
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot commands - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <Dr_willis> see :)
[12:36] <Jucato> :D
[12:36] <jpatrick> aobo_: because ubotu is smart and ignores if the said fact was done recently
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> he's got some genius factoids
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> !nothing
[12:37] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> !love
[12:38] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[12:38]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the news
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !abuse
[12:38] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !botabuse
[12:38] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> !doesn'twork
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesn'twork - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> !doesn't work
[12:41] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> !coffee
[12:42] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[12:44]  * Dr_willis notes that his wife 'Dosent't work' 
[12:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:45] <Pici> !msgthebot
[12:45] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[12:46] <algyz> Is it any software, with which I can make color photos from black and white? Never did such thing before.
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> algyz: you could add a layer in gimp and colour it in yourself
[12:47] <algyz> But noone program can recongnize colours in black and white?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> algyz: digikam can do that
[12:49] <algyz> I'll try, thanks :)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> nosrednaekim: can it add colour?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> nosrednaekim: he wants to go from b/w to colour
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> oh.... nothing can do that
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> ah.. I read that wrong :)
[12:52] <algyz> Well, thanks for answers :)
[12:52] <Kaseus> hey, anyone know of a good piece of music composition software (somewhat similar to fl studio in windows)?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Kaseus: audacity
[12:53] <Kaseus> really?
[12:53] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: music composition?
[12:54] <Jucato> that's sound editing
[12:54] <Kaseus> like for doing electronica
[12:54] <algyz> Kaseus:  I think lmms
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Kaseus: lmms
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> !lmms
[12:54] <algyz> Kaseus:  its Linux Multimedia Studio
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lmms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <Kaseus> oh nice
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[12:54] <algyz> Kaseus:  You'll get it with apt-get ;)
[12:55] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: how do I trigger your factoids? :)
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> !info lmms
[12:56] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: broken
[12:56] <Kaseus> I know it's probably a really odd question, but do you know if lmms supports VSTs?
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> bleh!
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> whats a VST?
[12:57] <Kaseus> lol
[12:57] <Kaseus> it's basically a virtual instrument patch
[12:57] <Kaseus> I've got a large collection (which I like) of them for windows (which I loathe)
[12:57] <algyz> Kaseus:  install and try
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> yeah... way over mot of our heads here :) you could ask in #ubuntustudio
[12:58] <Kaseus> lol, ok
[12:58] <Kaseus> I knew that one would be a maybe
[12:59] <algyz> The music program LMMS also features VST support through "LMMS VST Support Layer". All of these solutions but LMMS require Steinberg's SDK for compilation in addition to Wine and Wine's development files, whose package is typically named 'wine-devel'.
[12:59] <algyz> Kaseus:  read full article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Studio_Technology
[13:01] <TeslaTony> I have a 90gb tar backup that I want to restore some files from, but the GUI doesn't like handling it, and unless I tell it to restore my system, it get's nearly all the way, then starts deleting the files it untarred. Are there any workarounds for this?
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> TeslaTony: use the shell
[13:02] <binardevil> ?
[13:04] <TeslaTony> What would cause it to erase extracted files in the first place?
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> if it didn't have enough space to extract them all
[13:08] <TeslaTony> That'd be a little surprising, since I had something like 120+ gigs left available when it started doing that...
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> TeslaTony: but maybe not in your allocation in /tmp wherei'm sure ark unzippes them.... hence why I said do it on the command line
[13:25] <Roy_M> HI, just wondering where I can go to get help with thunderbird?
[13:26] <Jucato> #mozilla or #thunderbird ?
[13:28] <flipstar> i give up on this multi-boot cd thing ÷_÷
[13:28] <Roy_M> hmmm, there is no #thunderbird, it seems mozilla have their own server. Thanks
[13:32] <BunnyRevolution> Roy_M: what kind of problem with tbird
[13:34] <Roy_M> I just  connected it to my mail server for the first time and did not realise that the leave messages on server box was not ticked. As a result, the emails were downlaoded to my local machine. Do you know how to get them back on the server?
[13:35] <SlimeyPete> I very much doubt you can
[13:35] <BunnyRevolution> yes, i would try tbird forum.
[13:35] <BunnyRevolution> that was my thought as well
[13:35] <BunnyRevolution> outside of a restore of your mail directory
[13:35] <Roy_M> ok sure, thanks guys
[13:37] <TeslaTony> Roy_M: Depending on who the mail is being served by, you might be able to get the sysadmin to restore your emails
[13:38] <Roy_M> TeslaTony, is that really my best option? our IT support is pretty lousy :(
[13:39] <BunnyRevolution> i just rebooted, and my resolution is screwed up.  how do if i fix this?
[13:39] <TeslaTony> Roy_M: Best? Not necessarily. Only? Very likely.
[13:40] <Roy_M> BunnyRevolution: show us a less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:41] <Roy_M> TeslaTony, ok sure, thanks. I am not hopeful of my chances
[13:42] <BunnyRevolution> there some way to jump start it, but i've forgotten how
[13:43] <Roy_M> BunnyRevolution: are you thinking about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:43] <Jucato> !fixres
[13:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[13:43] <Jucato> hm.. not that...
[13:43] <Jucato> !xconfig
[13:43] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[13:43] <Jucato> that one!
[13:44] <BunnyRevolution> ye[
[13:44] <BunnyRevolution> er, yep
[13:47] <BunnyRevolution> heh, i forgot, hardy has a "fix x resolution" in rescue mode
[13:48] <BunnyRevolution> and then allows a normal boot
[13:54] <RIPRSC> hi, i'm installing kubuntu as a dual boot, and with the partitioning i have ran into a problem
[13:54] <SlimeyPete> RIPRSC: what problem?
[13:54] <RIPRSC> i have like 8 gb left for the home partition, but i cant use it somehow
[13:54] <Summo> Hi
[13:54] <RIPRSC> it says in the device column: 'unusable
[13:55] <ere4si> RIPRSC: are all your partitions primary?
[13:55] <RIPRSC> yea they are
[13:55] <Roy_M> can anyone advise me as to where on a M$ system the emails would have been downloaded to. I have decided that as a backup I may as well get these old emails on both my work and home email
[13:55] <RIPRSC> btw, im installing kubuntu as a dual boot with windows
[13:55] <Summo> Please... I need I little help here
[13:56] <jpatrick> !ask | Summo
[13:56] <ubotu> Summo: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:56] <SlimeyPete> RIPRSC: try making it a logical instead of primary partition, if the installer will let you do that
[13:56] <SlimeyPete> RIPRSC: you can only have four primary partitions on the drive
[13:56] <ere4si> RIPRSC: you can only have four primary partitions
[13:56] <ere4si> there's a message there
[13:57] <RIPRSC> wich one should i make logical? all the kubuntu ones or just one?
[13:57] <SlimeyPete> just one
[13:57] <RIPRSC> ok thanks, ill try that
[13:57] <RIPRSC> brb
[13:58] <SlimeyPete> probably best to keep / as a primary partition, though I'm not sure how much difference that makes
[13:58] <RIPRSC> ill make swap logical
[13:58] <shadowbox> hello all.
[13:58] <SlimeyPete> yeah, that'll be fine
[13:58] <Summo> !ask | I've tried to access and ntfs partition from Kubuntu, using ntfs-3g. It works correctly for a week, but now, every time I try to access it from Dolphin, I got the message "permissions denied"
[13:58] <ubotu> I've tried to access and ntfs partition from Kubuntu, using ntfs-3g. It works correctly for a week, but now, every time I try to access it from Dolphin, I got the message "permissions denied": Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:58] <shadowbox> I'm having sound issues
[13:58] <Summo> I've tried to access and ntfs partition from Kubuntu, using ntfs-3g. It works correctly for a week, but now, every time I try to access it from Dolphin, I got the message "permissions denied"
[13:58] <shadowbox> new install of
[13:59] <shadowbox> 7.10
[14:01] <ere4si> Summo: look in /etc/fstab file and see if the mount options have changed to   ro
[14:01] <SlimeyPete> schieck: ATI HD450 soundcard by any chance?
[14:01] <SlimeyPete> erm
[14:01] <SlimeyPete> shadowbox: ^^
[14:01] <RIPRSC> do i have to change the mount point of the windows partition to /media/windows or can it stay /media/sda1?
[14:01] <SlimeyPete> sorry schieck.
[14:02] <Summo> ere4si: Here's the output
[14:02] <Summo> UUID=7CA400D5A4009434 dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs-3g silent,umask=0,locale=utf8 0 0
[14:02] <SlimeyPete> RIPRSC: it can be whatever you want
[14:02] <RIPRSC> ok
[14:02] <ere4si> RIPRSC: leave it and it'llbe ok
[14:02] <Summo> It is set to root? (sorry, i'm very n00b)
[14:03] <ere4si> Summo: I don't use windows but it looks ok to me - anyone else know?
[14:04] <SlimeyPete> looks alright
[14:04] <RIPRSC> another question: when i was using the live cd, i couldnt acces the internet with my wireless card. is this normal with the live cd?
[14:04] <SlimeyPete> do you have write permissions for /media/hda1?
[14:05] <shadowbox> SlimeyPete: yes?
[14:05] <shadowbox> it's onboard 7.1
[14:05] <SlimeyPete> shadowbox: so you do have an ATI HD450?
[14:05] <zrajm> I'm looking for any IRC channel associated with the Krita program. google not helpful. anyone knows a channel/server?
[14:06] <shadowbox> no
[14:06] <SlimeyPete> shadowbox: you can find out what it is by typing "lspci"
[14:06] <Summo> SlimeyPete: I don't know for sure. But I was able to access it (write and read) for a week
[14:06] <Summo> Here's the error
[14:06] <Summo> http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2702/snapshot2cu6.png
[14:06] <Summo> "Permissões negadas" means "Permissions denied" in english
[14:07] <BunnyRevolution> on a LAMP installation, where is the root directory for html docs?
[14:07] <SlimeyPete> BunnyRevolution: /var/www, usually
[14:07] <BunnyRevolution> that's what i thought, however after putting the html docs there, i am getting a apache "it works" page
[14:08] <BunnyRevolution> which leads me to believe that it's somewhere else
[14:09] <SlimeyPete> BunnyRevolution: look for the documentroot in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<your site configuration file>
[14:09] <SlimeyPete> BunnyRevolution: site configuration file might be 000-default
[14:13] <BunnyRevolution> it is, and the document root is /var/www
[14:14] <SlimeyPete> BunnyRevolution: check that there's an index.html and that it's readable by apache
[14:14] <ubuntu> help me
[14:14] <shadowbox> SlimeyPete: S/C does not show up
[14:14] <shadowbox> oops there it is
[14:15] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: just tell us the problem and if we can help, we will
[14:15] <shadowbox> Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[14:15] <SlimeyPete> hmm, I think there's a factoid about that
[14:15] <SlimeyPete> !hda
[14:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:15] <SlimeyPete> erm
[14:16] <jussi01> !intelhda
[14:16] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:16] <shadowbox> great thanks
[14:16] <jussi01> :)
[14:17]  * jussi01 throws !search at SlimeyPete 
[14:17] <RIPRSC> does kubuntu need an internet connection to install? because it's checking the mirror server and it gets stuck there.
[14:17] <SlimeyPete> RIPRSC: it should time out eventually
[14:17] <BunnyRevolution> SlimeyPete: heh, i put a cms in that directory, but neglected to remove the index.html file.  as a result, index.php was not being read.
[14:17] <SlimeyPete> BunnyRevolution: ah
[14:18] <BunnyRevolution> i neglected to clear the directory first.  *gets a clue bat for myself*
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> it's OK - apache confuses the hell out of me too ;)
[14:26] <thomasamoot> I'm downloading the 8.04 beta with jigdo, and I'm a bit worried because I've gotten 404 errors for a number of files.
[14:27] <ubuntu__> alguna canal de ayuda kubuntu en español?¿?
[14:27] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[14:27] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:28] <ubuntu__> ubotu thanks
[14:28] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[14:31] <justAtempNick> I'm downloading the 8.04 beta with jigdo, and I'm a bit worried because I've gotten 404 errors for a number of files.
[14:32] <justAtempNick> How can I get the missing pieces?
[14:33] <justAtempNick> Please note that jigdo is my only option, as ftp can't handle a 664MB file, and all the bitTorrent trackers are out
[14:34] <RIPRSC> the installer is configuring apt now, but it still says looking up mirror server. whats wrong?
[14:34] <ufuntu> hello! does anybody know if i ll have problems with compiz and applications that are not from repos if i upgrade to hardy?
[14:35] <justAtempNick> ufuntu: I'd stay away from compiz for now, it's nice... but it's still buggy
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> ufuntu: just stick with gutsy and update your apps
[14:35] <graft> all the bittorrent trackers are out?
[14:35] <graft> compiz isn't that buggy...
[14:35] <justAtempNick> graft: at least in Thailand
[14:36] <graft> justAtempNick: i didn't realize the internet was so parochial in thailand
[14:36] <ufuntu> :)
[14:36] <ufuntu> to update my apps
[14:37] <justAtempNick> graft: perhaps you've better luck w/ compiz... but computers are a YMMV exercize
[14:37] <ufuntu> i have to change repos to hardy repos
[14:37] <ufuntu> ?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> ufuntu: yeah
[14:37] <ubuntu__>  hal storage removable mount all options refused uid 999 ?? help!!
[14:37] <graft> ufuntu: yeah... you might have problems with apps not from the repository, tho
[14:37] <justAtempNick> graft: you're connecting to trackers okay?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> ufuntu: but theres no need if what you have works fine
[14:37] <justAtempNick> graft: where are you?
[14:38] <graft> justAtempNick: not from here, i'm behind a firewall...
[14:38] <graft> justAtempNick: US
[14:38] <graft> justAtempNick: but the tracker should work regardless of your country
[14:38] <graft> ufuntu: also compiz has been in the repository since gutsy
[14:38] <justAtempNick> graft: it may be my crummy isp... or not, I'd love to know
[14:39] <graft> justAtempNick: lemme see if i can test
[14:40] <graft> justAtempNick: nope, works fine for me
[14:40] <ufuntu> :)
[14:40] <justAtempNick> graft: perhaps it's my isp
[14:40] <ufuntu> thank u all
[14:40] <graft> justAtempNick: can you ping the tracker at least? possibly your ISP blocks torrents, yeah
[14:41] <graft> which is like, stabbing the internet in the face
[14:41] <shric> ffff
[14:42] <justAtempNick> graft: dht torrents work, it's just the last week that I haven't been able to connect to trackers
[14:42] <justAtempNick> graft: how do I find the IP to ping?
[14:42] <jcfp> justAtempNick: it's your isp for certain. Apparently they like denying their users anything that requires bandwidth. File size limits for ftp... who made that up.
[14:43] <justAtempNick> jcfp: I thought ftp was just a bad protocol
[14:43] <graft> justAtempNick: um, it's torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> ftp is a sweet protocol
[14:43] <graft> ftp is a bad protocol
[14:44] <graft> any protocol that requires communication on two ports in order to function is a bad protocol
[14:44] <graft> also, any protocol that sends passwords in cleartext is a bad protocol
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> graft: ftp is port 21 dude
[14:44] <shadowbox> how do I unmute alsa ?
[14:44] <flipstar> and port 20 for data connection
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> or 22 for sftp
[14:45] <ere4si> using dolphin is not a pleasant experience...
[14:45] <graft> ActionParsnip: no, that's not true... port 21 is only for controlling the session, for the download it opens a completely separate channel of communication
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> oic
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> learning eveery day
[14:46] <graft> it really is a bad protocol
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> just googled
[14:46] <Jucato> ere4si: dolphin or d3lphin?
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> its older than time though
[14:46] <graft> yeah, well, so is gopher
[14:47] <ere4si> Jucato: dolphin I think - the default file browser
[14:47] <justAtempNick> graft: I can ping torrent.ubuntu.com
[14:47] <Jucato> ere4si: where? Kubuntu KDE 3 or 4?
[14:47] <graft> justAtempNick: try telnetting to that port
[14:47] <ere4si> Jucato: kde3
[14:47] <Jucato> ere4si: ah that's d3lphin... so I'm not surprised :)
[14:48] <Jucato> (the *real* Dolphin gives a more pleasant experience)
[14:48] <ere4si> Jucato: can thunar work in kde ok?
[14:48] <Jucato> probably
[14:48] <ere4si> bugger it - I'll use xubuntu
[14:48] <Jucato> no reason it won't. of course it won't integrate well
[14:50] <RIPRSC> do you guys know what the installer does when it's at about 82%?
[14:50] <graft> justAtempNick: any luck?
[14:50] <justAtempNick> graft: when I telnet, it takes a long time, then says "Press any key to continue....", which then says "Connection to host lost."
[14:51] <graft> press any key to continue..? using command-line telnet?
[14:51] <justAtempNick> so it's not clear to me if there was or wasn't ever a connection
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: whats the message on screen?
[14:51] <justAtempNick> graft: yes, I'm on windows at the moment... which is why I'm so keen to get this iso downloaded
[14:51] <RIPRSC> it's in dutch, but it's in the lines of 'looking up mirror server'
[14:52] <RIPRSC> thing is, it has been doing that for the past 30 minutes
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: what you installing?
[14:52] <graft> justAtempNick: oh ah... hmm, well that's not clear to me either
[14:52] <RIPRSC> kubuntu
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: ah ok. I'd just let it finish
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: check your WWW connection
[14:53] <justAtempNick> graft: I think there's a nice little client for windows, I'll look it up...
[14:53] <RIPRSC> but its stuck at 82% for 30 minutes now
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: can you ping the server ok?
[14:54] <RIPRSC> ActionParsnip: Well, via the live cd I couldnt connect to the internet
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: are you installing from WWW
[14:54] <RIPRSC> i dont understand the question :(
[14:54] <ere4si> doesn't it look for language packs around 80%?
[14:55] <graft> justAtempNick: what aboot nmap? any chance of that?
[14:55] <RIPRSC> in the title bar it says it's configuring apt
[14:55] <justAtempNick> graft: nmap, I don't know it winXP has it... I'll look
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: ok gimme a sec. thats a useful tidbit :)
[14:55] <RIPRSC> ActionParsnip: what do you mean by installing from WWW
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: got it!
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: You should switch to console by pressing "Ctrl+Alt+F2". Then you can use "ps ax" command to list all the processes and find "http" process. What you should do is kill this proess.
[14:58] <justAtempNick> graft: I've got PuTTY, what type of connection, Raw, SSH, telnet, Rlogin, or Serial?
[14:59] <RIPRSC> how do i kill that process?
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: kill <process id>
[14:59] <graft> justAtempNick: this is probably a fruitless line of investigation anyway... i was just trying to see if you can get to that port... but i guess try a raw connection with putty, see if it works
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> ps -ef | grep http is probably more use
[15:00] <RIPRSC> thing is, i cant find the http process, i get a whole list and http probably is at the top of it, wich i cant see
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> what do you get from ps -ef | grep http
[15:00] <justAtempNick> RIPRSC: ps ax | grep http
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> ?
[15:02] <RIPRSC> three processes, do i have to kill grep http?
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: no cos its not running now. it ends when that output is complete
[15:03] <Autoscum> Hello, everyone. :)
[15:03] <Nyad> Hi I have an nvidia driver problem. I installed the nvidia driver for my 8800GT but kubuntu tells me it is a vesa generic driver
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC:  just kill one of the http processes then CTRL+ALT_G1 to get back to gui
[15:03] <Autoscum> I've got a problem with starting Add/Remove Programs. It won't start at all.
[15:03] <Nyad> it doesn't even register as an 8800GT. whereas nvidia x config does
[15:03] <Autoscum> (:D)
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> Nyad:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:03] <graft> ALT_G1?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> G1 == F1 (d'oh)
[15:04] <justAtempNick> Nyad: which driver did you install
[15:04] <graft> Nyad: is that that restricted drivers manager thing?
[15:04] <Nyad> the one from the nvidia site
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> anyway I'm out
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> peace
[15:05] <Autoscum> My Adept doesn't want to run either. o.0 I'm running the new 8.04 Beta.
[15:05] <justAtempNick> Nyad: I just tried installing the one from the nbidia site, and now my installition is hosed...
[15:06] <justAtempNick> Nyad: I'm also keen to get this sorted!
[15:06] <Nyad> also got an 8800GT?
[15:06] <justAtempNick> 8600
[15:06] <Nyad> whats wrong doesn't x boot up?
[15:06] <justAtempNick> yeap
[15:06] <neville_> Just switch your driver to vesa
[15:07] <neville_> And it will boot normally, with a GUI
[15:07] <neville_> Only, 2D acceleration
[15:07] <Nyad> neville_: I got that fixed but the problem is it only uses visa. I want the nvidia one
[15:07] <flipstar> Nyad: how did you installed the nvidia drivers ?
[15:08] <neville_> Well, install the nvidia driver through the restricted driver manager, Envy, or by hand
[15:08] <Nyad> ActionParsnip told me to type this.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I did but I'm not sure if I must select nv or nvidia
[15:08] <neville_> And if it doesn't select it manually, select nvidia
[15:08] <neville_> nv is 2D, nvidia is 3D
[15:08] <justAtempNick> Nyad: no doubt you spend a good little bit, to wined up w/ just 2D
[15:08] <Nyad> went to init 3 or 1 and typed sudo sh file.run
[15:08] <graft> not really... nv is open source, nvidia is propietary
[15:08] <Autoscum> Also, when I type kdesu adept in the console it says "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 27 18:55:04 2008"
[15:09] <neville_> Yet, nv is a 2D driver, nvidia is the 3D driver
[15:09] <flipstar> Nyad: the installation there was succesful ?
[15:09] <Autoscum> Hmm...
[15:09] <Nyad> yes
[15:09] <luca> ooo
[15:09] <Nyad> well not quite
[15:09] <flipstar> ..?
[15:09] <Nyad> you see there were driver conflicts
[15:09] <Nyad> so I had to edit a file and disable the nv driver
[15:09] <luca> hello
[15:10] <flipstar> Nyad: did you installed something before ?
[15:10] <graft> driver conflicts?
[15:10] <algyz> Nyad:  think sudo nvidia-xconfig can do it for you
[15:11] <Nyad> no that was the only driver I installed
[15:11] <Nyad> I did this now. but I don't know what my bus ID is? sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:12] <shadowbox> hey there
[15:12] <shadowbox> how can I unmute my sound via konsole?
[15:12] <flipstar> shadowbox: use alsamixer
[15:12] <algyz> !sound | shadowbox
[15:12] <ubotu> shadowbox: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[15:12] <shadowbox> ok thanks
[15:13] <justAtempNick> I see that 8.04 now has crypto on / support.  I'm going to update my 7.10 to 8.04 and I have a Reiser over LVM settup, will I be able to convert to crypto during the update?
[15:14] <flipstar> probably not
[15:14] <justAtempNick> flipstar: that's my thought, but it doesn't hurt to ask
[15:14] <Dr_willis> I would be VERY impressed if it did.
[15:16] <justAtempNick> Dr_willis: perhaps if I blow away /?  Then I could make a new /home post install
[15:17] <justAtempNick> the only thing that worries me is the LVM
[15:17] <RIPRSC> i already asked this a few mins back, but it didnt work and the guy helping me left. I'm installing kubuntu, but the installer is stuck at 82%. in the titlebar it says configuring apt, and in the other part of the screen it says looking up mirror servers. What is wrong?
[15:18] <flipstar> RIPRSC: you installing 7.10 due alternate cd ?
[15:18] <RIPRSC> flipstar: im using the livecd
[15:18] <graft> RIPRSC: can you pastebin the output of ps -ef?
[15:19] <RIPRSC> i cant connect to the internet with it, wich probably is the problem
[15:20] <flipstar> RIPRSC: you might deselect the internet resources in sources.list
[15:21] <flipstar> RIPRSC: or try to disable the network with sudo ifdown -a
[15:21] <flipstar> maybe a timeout will then appear
[15:21] <algyz> RIPRSC:  also sometimes wise decision to use alternate cd
[15:22] <RIPRSC> flipstar: indeed, i get a time out. but i cant read it, because when i switch back from the console my screen is all blurry
[15:22] <RIPRSC> flipstar: it says something about a security update
[15:22] <Dr_willis> justAtempNick,  ive learn to not even toy with that stuff.. :) heh i keep my partitions and filesystems simple.
[15:23] <Dr_willis> but i dont gain much from lvm/reiser/raid and so forth on my simple desktop systems
[15:24] <RIPRSC> flipstar: it works now, thanks.
[15:24] <justAtempNick> Dr_willis: I think you've right, but I do have a lot of disks
[15:24] <Dr_willis> a lot for what?
[15:24] <justAtempNick> hard drives
[15:24] <Dr_willis> you need one huge uber-tb sidzed partition? :)
[15:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> define a lot
[15:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've got 5 hard drives sitting in my desktop - works just fine as individual partitions
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I could replace like every HD i got in my main box. with .. like 1 or 2 new hd;s :)  and i have 5 in there now..
[15:25] <justAtempNick> I think I've got 4
[15:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's not a lot
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I had 8 hds in one box once.. heh - i replaced them all with 2 hd;s (
[15:26] <Dr_willis> i now have quite a few USB enclosuers with the old hds  for backup backups. ;)
[15:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's just depressing...  i could replace the 5 i have with 3 (really close to being able to do it with 2, but not quite)
[15:26] <Dr_willis> whats the price for 1tb hds now? :)
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, i didn't even figure tb hard drives
[15:27] <flipstar> 2x500 is still cheaper :)
[15:27] <Dr_willis> 500's were in the 100$ range arent they?  seen them for that price on sale a few mo ago.
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was maxing at 750gb
[15:27] <Dr_willis> whats a 750 run anyway?
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> not even sure
[15:27] <Dr_willis> I tend to just get whats a value/on sale.
[15:27] <TeslaTony> ~$300-400 for terabyte drives. Right now the 500gb drives are both cheaper and more reliable for the space
[15:27] <Dr_willis> grabbed a 400gb for $40 the other day
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> all i know is that 1.64tb is barely enough space
[15:28] <Dr_willis> If i backup all my video files to dvd.. i dont need as much hd space. :P
[15:28] <Dr_willis> for a few months.. then it fills up
[15:28] <flipstar> Daisuke_Laptop: not nessesary..
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: most definitely, i let the early adopters iron out stability and performance issues :)
[15:28] <shadowbox> sata or ide?
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> er.. what's not necessary?
[15:28] <flipstar> 1.6tb
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> for you maybe
[15:28] <flipstar> enough
[15:29] <flipstar> a few hd movies takes still 100gb here
[15:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> let's just say that there's a whole lot there :)
[15:30] <TeslaTony> Daisuke_Laptop: It has less to do with early adopters than the multiple vs. single drive debate. If you're looking for 1.5 TB, three drives are more reliable than one. Mostly, though, 500GB drives are the cheapest for the size.
[15:30] <flipstar> only those..thats crazy!
[15:30] <phil__> i need help
[15:30] <phil__> how do i update my java 6??
[15:30] <shadowbox> I believe ise only goes to 750gig from there is sata only
[15:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> i rip all of my tv dvds to the hard drive because i watch them streamed through a media box in the living room
[15:30] <shadowbox> ide I mean
[15:31] <justAtempNick> graft: I've downloaded nmap, and I can get to port 6969 on torrent.ubuntu.com
[15:31] <justAtempNick> graft: so why doesn't the tracker work for me?
[15:32] <bbeck> If anyone is using konqueror 4.0.2, can you got to www.pidgin.im without the browser crashing?
[15:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: but in a year, if you want 3tb, 3 1tb drives are going to be more reliable than a single 3tb drive (just making up numbers)
[15:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> but the concept is there
[15:32] <flipstar> phil__: java6 is the latest
[15:32] <Dr_willis> like flying an airplane with 4 engines.. vs one with ONE huge engine.. :)
[15:32] <Dr_willis> untill the hd that dies is the one you really really wanted to keep..
[15:33] <justAtempNick> bbeck: I like kde, but I stick to firefox, no real point in messing with konq
[15:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> and that's why redundancy is still the best policy for redundancy
[15:33] <TeslaTony> Daisuke_Laptop: In a year, we're going to be sitting around saying "Man...I'm just running out of space! I've got so much on here, y'know? A petabyte just isn't enough"
[15:33] <phil__> ???????/
[15:33] <phil__> HELLO HOW DO I UPDATE JAVA 6 SO I CAN GET FROST WIRE TO WORK
[15:33] <shadowbox> yea, but if its speed you want.. a 15,000 rpm scsi drive is what you want
[15:33] <flipstar> for important data you need a backup of the backup backuped
[15:34] <graft> justAtempNick: is it filtered? or open?
[15:34] <flipstar> phil__: install sun-java6-jre
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: it's always been that way.  i remember my first hard drive..  20mb, and it seemed so huge at the time
[15:34]  * TeslaTony snickers
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> phil__: well you can start by not yelling.
[15:34] <justAtempNick> graft: it says open, for tcp
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: yes, i'm old.
[15:34] <Dr_willis> !java | phil__
[15:34] <ubotu> phil__: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[15:34] <TeslaTony> I had a guy at work talking about his 20MB drives...a pair he bought for about $2000 total
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[15:34] <Dr_willis> phil__,  i normally just install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[15:35] <justAtempNick> C:\Documents and Settings\Thomas>nmap -p6969 torrent.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Starting Nmap 4.60 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-03-27 22:30 SE Asia Standard
[15:35] <graft> justAtempNick: hmm. i'm not sure... and using DHT doesn't work?
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Time
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Interesting ports on magellanic.canonical.com (91.189.90.143):
[15:35] <justAtempNick> PORT     STATE SERVICE
[15:35] <graft> justAtempNick: use pastebin man
[15:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste | justAtempNick
[15:35] <Dr_willis> using nmap from dos? :)
[15:35] <ubotu> justAtempNick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> not even real DOS
[15:36] <RIPRSC> is it normal that after you instal kubuntu as a dual boot, and start up vista, it checks the hdd?
[15:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> RIPRSC: did you resize the vista partition?
[15:36] <RIPRSC> yea i did
[15:36] <RIPRSC> well
[15:36] <Dr_willis> RIPRSC,  if the linux installer resized.. Yes it is normal
[15:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep, it's normal
[15:36] <yao_ziyuan> old question: package database locked
[15:36] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix
[15:36] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:37] <yao_ziyuan> man, this command should be integrated to APT front-ends
[15:37] <TeslaTony> RIPRSC: Is it Vista checking or Linux checking? Linux checks my HD every 30 mounts or so. Either way, unless you're getting major interference, you're OK
[15:38] <flipstar> yao_ziyuan: it will...someday
[15:38] <flipstar> or at least in ksysguard
[15:38] <Dr_willis> put it in rc.local? so every reboot fixs it.. he hheh
[15:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i can cancel the hd check now!
[15:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> (easily)
[15:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> that was always a thorn in my side
[15:39] <flipstar> why dont setting an senseful value with tune2fs ?
[15:40] <Dr_willis> i found 30 to be senseable..
[15:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> last semester, it seemed like every time i was running behind and needed to get something done like NOW, i would boot up the laptop and get "checking disks..." which takes forever.
[15:40] <flipstar> remember "you can tune most filesystems, but you cant tune a fish"
[15:40] <Dr_willis> i do tend to stagger my various hds one is every 30, other is every 35. or so on..
[15:40] <RIPRSC> TeslaTony: it was vista
[15:40] <kubuntu_rules> hello folks
[15:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> so i can now just let it do the check on the next boot, and get what i need to do, done.
[15:40] <flipstar> since my pc starts nearly every day it isnt senseful to me..
[15:41] <Dr_willis> i tend to boot mine several times a day...
[15:41] <TeslaTony> I wouldn't mind a HD check every boot if it weren't for the fact that I've been having trouble with my wifi card thats been requiring a few reboots
[15:41] <Dr_willis> rarely have an issue.
[15:41] <kubuntu_rules> someone knows some good 1st person shooter games for ubuntu?
[15:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> laptop yes, desktop hasn't been rebooted in *almost* two months
[15:41] <SlimeyPete> I just disable the check
[15:41] <flipstar> kubuntu_rules: nexuiz
[15:41] <Dr_willis> kubuntu_rules,  alien arena 2008 just got released a few weeks ago
[15:41] <TeslaTony> Oh, yeah...and I dual-boot XP, which can make things annoying
[15:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> kubuntu_rules: nexuiz, tremulous, alien arena, openarena
[15:41] <phil__> i just ran frostwire in the terminal and itt said it could not find sunjava 6 which i just got
[15:41] <Dr_willis> Savage2 - finially has a Linux client out and a free DEMO.. on their web site.
[15:41] <kubuntu_rules> thanx :)
[15:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> phil__: frostwire is a joke anyway.
[15:42] <phil__> i dint give a shit
[15:42] <Dr_willis> phil__,  check the java -version command, see what java is being used.
[15:42] <phil__> i use the mirc
[15:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> !language
[15:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:42] <kubuntu_rules> just got linux... think its VERY great :) lot more fun than windows
[15:43] <RIPRSC> it can be me, but i have a feeling vista boots really slow now
[15:43] <phil__> how wud i do that?
[15:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> RIPRSC: are you sure?  it *is* vista, after all -_-
[15:43] <Dr_willis> phil__,  type it in a terminal.
[15:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> but after the first boot after installing linux, it will probably be slower
[15:43] <TeslaTony> kubuntu_rules: Welcome to the tuxedo-clad ranks of the masochistic computer elite. You're going to like t here.
[15:44] <kubuntu_rules> thanx
[15:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> should pick up after that
[15:44] <RIPRSC> it's working alright now, thanks for your help guys. maby ill be back later
[15:44] <phil__> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: _version
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.java.lang.MainThread.run(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: _version not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader{urls=[file:./], parent=gnu.gcj.runtime.ExtensionClassLoader{urls=[], parent=null}}
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader.findClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.java.lang.MainThread.run(libgcj.so.81)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> phil__,   thats from 'java -version' ?
[15:45] <phil__> yepp
[15:45] <flipstar> not --version .. ?
[15:45] <Dr_willis> looks like you might be runnign the gnu java, not the sun one.  but thats still dosent make sence
[15:45] <kubuntu_rules> i will try finding open arena, tremulous ,alien arena etc... see ya later good people :) LINUX ROCK's :)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> java iuses -version, NOT --version
[15:45] <Dr_willis> dont ask me why. :) at least i think its -version
[15:45] <flipstar> yes it is
[15:45] <SlimeyPete> it is -version
[15:45] <Dr_willis> just installed clean here.. installing java now.
[15:46] <flipstar> i asked if he accidently typed --version ..
[15:46] <u0750762> hola
[15:46] <graft> good thing everyone has such consistent conventions about flags
[15:47] <Dr_willis> posix standard vs. not.. is the long and short of it.
[15:47] <phil__> java version "1.5.0"
[15:47] <phil__> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
[15:47] <phil__> Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[15:47] <phil__> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[15:47] <phil__> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[15:47] <Dr_willis> try X --version or X --help
[15:47] <phil__> there
[15:47] <Dr_willis> You are using the GNU java, you need to enable the SUN java for frostwire and other apps to work propelry
[15:47] <Dr_willis> the !java factoid site. shows how. :)
[15:48] <phil__> ok
[15:48] <Dr_willis> gij (GNU libgcj) = Not suns java.
[15:48] <phil__> !java
[15:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[15:48]  * Dr_willis wonders why everyone alwyas pastes ALL the useless lines for the java -version output. :)
[15:48] <flipstar> everyone..?
[15:48] <TeslaTony> Dr_willis: Because the universe probably is out to get you
[15:49] <Dr_willis> flipstar,  its amazing the # of times i see the   Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc... and so  on. :)
[15:49] <Dr_willis> TeslaTony,  i KNEW IT@!
[15:49]  * Dr_willis starts ircing with TOR!
[15:49] <flipstar> thats quit difficult..
[15:50] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[16:07] <algyz> I'm trying to play .avi file with kaffeine, it is suddenly stopping for a short time and then continuing, like spasm. I hope it's not the file problem, but wonder, why it could happen, maybe anybody knows?
[16:10] <trappist> algyz: you could troubleshoot by trying in another media player, like mplayer, and see if you get the same results
[16:10] <trappist> algyz: also if you play it with mplayer from the command line you'll get pretty verbose output on the console
[16:11] <algyz> good idea, thanks
[16:12] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[16:13] <tekstacy> What do I use to take a screenshot?
[16:13] <algyz> Just tried vlc, it works good, so something wrong with kaffeine
[16:13] <algyz> tekstacy:  apt-cache search screenshot ;)
[16:13] <neville_> No
[16:13] <flipstar> vlc brings it own codecs afaik
[16:13] <neville_> KSnapshot? :P
[16:14] <tekstacy> algyz,   shoulda tried that first I guess  :)
[16:14] <Arwen> flipstar, on Kubuntu, VLC is linked against ffmpeg and a bunch of other libs
[16:14] <tekstacy> neville,  thanks
[16:14] <Arwen> so it does not "use its own codecs"
[16:14] <algyz> tekstacy:  ksnapshot - screenshot utility for KDE
[16:16] <flipstar> hm then it was a rudiment from windoze i guess
[16:18] <algyz> something wrong with my kaffeine 0.8.6, I'll check this later on :)
[16:20] <dthacker-work> tekstacy: My personal favorite is Ksnapshot
[16:21] <dthacker-work> which reminds me.  Winter is nearly over, I need a nice spring theme for my desktop
[16:23] <flipstar> mine changes every 15 minutes :)
[16:28] <lukas__> Ahoj, tohle je moje první spuštění irc, jinak jsem vždy rady hledal na foru, ted bych potreboval trochu pomoci s pripojenim fotoaparatu
[16:40] <algyz> !cz | lukas__
[16:40] <ubotu> lukas__: České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[16:51] <sourcemaker> I am testing the new kubuntu beta version... do I need a clean fresh install when the official release is out...
[16:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> no
[16:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> the rolling upgrades will have you up to the same release as the final by the time it comes out.
[16:54] <sourcemaker> Daisuke_Ido: so...  I only update my system via apt-get dist-upgrade? or do I perform a "do-release-upgrade"?
[16:54] <hf> que sera lo recomendable para bajar los videos desde youtube con kubuntu? para quien pueda ayudarme
[16:55] <sourcemaker> hf: there is a plugin available for firefox...
[16:57] <hf> and where is this donde lo consigo?
[16:59] <hf> sourcemaker que sera lo recomendable para bajar los videos desde youtube con kubuntu? para quien pueda ayudarme
[16:59] <sourcemaker> hf: I do not speak your language... sorry
[17:00] <tomi> hello
[17:00] <tomi> hello
[17:00] <hf> i dont speak english
[17:01] <yakuzi> i thought there was a spanish/portugues help-channel
[17:01] <spiroo> How do I change language in KDE4 systemsettings. I have installed swedish, but I can only see US English in the regional list :S *nobody answer in kubuntu-kde4*
[17:01] <TeslaTony> !es
[17:01] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:02] <hf> aaaaaaaaaaaaah ok...! sorry thanks
[17:10] <flipstar> is it somehow someway possible to block certain applications from accessing the internet ?
[17:11] <BunnyRevolution> flipstar, yes
[17:11] <flipstar> cool :)
[17:12] <johann> hi everyone
[17:12] <flipstar> BunnyRevolution: would you reveal me how ? ¦ - )
[17:14] <flipstar> BunnyRevolution: i would give you a cookie.. deal ?
[17:16] <johann> im in trouble with swap partitions...i changed the position of my swap partition. it was on sda1, now its sda5. i also changed it in /etc/fstab but on boot kinit says http://phpfi.com/305669
[17:16] <johann> and then it doenst continue to boot
[17:47] <waynrdude> are new printers usually supported in kubuntu or does it require an update first
[17:47] <waynrdude> !printers
[17:47] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[17:54] <_Shade_> anyone here on hardy?
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: #ubuntu+1
[17:58] <waynrdude> !games\
[17:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about games\ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:58] <waynrdude> !games
[17:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[18:02] <justAtempNick_> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:02] <ScorpKing> does anyone use bash scripts in /cgi-bin/ on an apache server? i get "malformed header from script." in error.log but the script works in bash.
[18:02] <tzd> is it possible to have a running program hidden in the kde panel for a specific desktop please?
[18:03] <justAtempNick> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:06] <vistalite> Jucato: thanks for the purple colour scheme btw i noticed it later in my logs :) love it thanks
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> justAtempNick: ask in #ubuntu+1
[18:11] <nitin> i downloaded mplayerthumbs and when i try to open video file it displays this message, 'Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device."  I am waiting for help
[18:17] <ScorpKing> nitin: it might be a permission problem but don't know for sure
[18:18] <nitin> ScorpKing, is mplayer also based on xine
[18:19] <ScorpKing> nitin: no idea. i use vlc and kaffeine
[18:19] <nitin> when i tried to install suggested packages for mplayerthumbs, it said no installation candidate for w32codecs
[18:21] <ScorpKing> !info w32codecs
[18:21] <Trey> hey all
[18:22] <ScorpKing> hi Trey
[18:22] <jussi01> !w32codecs
[18:22] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[18:24] <Trey> any clue why i kubuntu would hang on boot from live dvd?
[18:25] <ScorpKing> Trey: boot the cd and press <f6> and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel line. select "start or install kubuntu" and see if any errors shows up
[18:27] <Trey> ok
[18:29] <nitin> now i'm able to download w32codecs
[18:35]  * arriesp hi
[18:36] <enver555> hi
[18:36] <enver555> i have a problem with Hardy
[18:36] <enver555> on my Thinkpad
[18:37] <SlimeyPete> !hardy
[18:37] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:37] <SlimeyPete> ^^ you may have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[18:37] <enver555> ok thanks SlimePete
[18:37] <arriesp> someone knows a program to convert some .avi files to .mpg at the same time?
[18:38] <Aikurn> try kde-apps.org
[18:39] <Piero_Scaruffi> hello
[18:39] <Piero_Scaruffi> question i have direct rendering enabled in Kubuntu is this enough to play 3D games?
[18:39] <SlimeyPete> Piero_Scaruffi: yes, as long as your card supports opengl
[18:40] <Piero_Scaruffi> i dont know SlimeyPete its a ati radeon 9600 i am a novice user of linux Kubuntu
[18:40] <Piero_Scaruffi> so how do i find out
[18:40] <SlimeyPete> yes, that card will be fine
[18:40] <SlimeyPete> run glxgears and check that it runs smoothly
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> because when i enable the proprietary ati driver my system will become really slow and laggy
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> really? Oh dear
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> so i am using the open source driver now
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> yes
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> it does
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> the proprietary ATI drivers aren't very good, unfortauntely
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> yeah no kidding :)
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> hopefully this will improve soon as they have released some open-source drivers.
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> but for the moment they're a bit rubbish.
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> well i play few games on pc and more on my Wii but still i wanted to replay vice city gta via wine without having to reinstall xp
[18:42] <SlimeyPete> well, the best thing to do is install a 3D game and try it out, really
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> i will try and see
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> yeah thanks
[18:46] <Trey_> ok according to the f6 it already has quiet splash
[18:49] <Trey_> ok so the live dvd hangs at the same spot
[18:50] <Trey_> it goes through 2 sets of windows one with the kubuntu logo on it and it loads stuff then just a black and white window where it loads stuff then it shows the kubuntu logo again and a load bar and it dose nothing
[18:51] <Trey_> what sohout i do next
[18:53] <Trey_> hello knock knock anyone there
[18:53] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[18:54] <SlimeyPete> sounds like kubuntu doesn't like your graphics hardware, Trey_
[18:54] <SlimeyPete> what card do you have?
[18:54] <Trey_> nvidia 8600M GS
[18:56] <jackault> is there a way to watch a folder for changes and have the system alert you when there's activity in it?
[18:56] <SlimeyPete> Trey_: well, your best bet might be to use the Alternate CD. It has a text-mode installer. Once the system is installed you can install the official nvidia drivers. Hopefully they'll work better.
[18:58] <SlimeyPete> the default driver is an open source one called "nv" and doesn't always work.
[18:58] <SlimeyPete> though it does usually
[18:58] <Trey_> ok
[19:18] <puercolioss> i want download the Kubuntu 8.04 Beta which version should pick? beta alternate o beta desktop??
[19:19] <jussi01> puercolioss: hardy stuff in #ubuntu+1 but, you can choose either, one is a "live" cd and one is text based
[19:20] <jussi01> desktop=live
[19:21] <puercolioss> ok man
[19:22] <pvalley> hello is there any way of removing the trashcan from kicker and placing it on the desktop?
[19:24] <pvalley> I have googled but not getting much
[19:25] <jussi01> pvalley: there is a way, I cant remember it though :/
[19:25] <ubuntu_> hi
[19:25] <jussi01> sorry.
[19:25] <jussi01> hi
[19:25] <ubuntu_> i have downloaded a kbuntu 7.10
[19:25] <ubuntu_> when i try to install whit the icon on desktop
[19:26] <darkphader> how to remove "switch user" and also the "hibernate" option?
[19:26] <ubuntu_> the install windows closes automatlicaly
[19:26] <pvalley> ok thanks will keep googling around then
[19:27] <ubuntu_> hello, somebody can help me_
[19:27] <ubuntu_> _
[19:28] <Dragonath> what's wrong ubuntu_?
[19:28] <ubuntu_> i cannot instal kubuntu 7.1
[19:28] <ubuntu_> im using live cd
[19:28] <Dragonath> ok
[19:29] <Dragonath> so when you hit install it doesn't really work?
[19:29] <ubuntu_> yes, appears a windows, but it closes in a few seconds
[19:30] <Dragonath> and it gives no errors?
[19:30] <ubuntu_> no error
[19:31] <Dragonath> if you right click on the icon, and hit properties, does it say anything about what command it calls?
[19:31] <ubuntu_> ubiquity kde_ui
[19:32] <Dragonath> try opening konsole and running the command in there
[19:32] <Dragonath> that way if there is any error you can see it
[19:33] <ubuntu_> the same
[19:34] <ubuntu_> the windows opens and closes
[19:34] <Dragonath> no error at all?
[19:34] <ubuntu_> nop
[19:34] <Dragonath> ok
[19:34] <Dragonath> if you do a "pstree | grep ubiquity" what does it say?
[19:43] <ubuntu_> hey Dragonath how to install from console
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> !alternate
[19:44] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[19:45] <so> hello
[19:45] <ubuntu_> is kubuntu for 64bits architecture
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: you can get that, yes
[19:46] <algyz> ubuntu_:  there is
[19:48] <sourcemaker> Linux is still the best operation system... :-) I know... that I can create an textfile with all installed software components in apt... It is possible to migrate this list to the current beta software 8.4 or will this break my system?
[19:48] <ubuntu_> but should i download a 64 bit version
[19:48] <algyz> ubuntu_:  you shouldn't, but you can
[19:49] <algyz> ubuntu_:  I would offer to do this if you have >3 GB of RAM
[19:49] <ubuntu_> i downloaded a 32 bit, is there my problem
[19:49] <ubuntu_> i cannot install
[19:50] <ubuntu_> maybe a 64 bits version runs fine?
[19:50] <algyz> ubuntu_:  what kind of problem, it shouldn't be, i'm using 32 bit on athlon 64 bit without problems
[19:50] <ubuntu_> but i cannot install!!
[19:50] <boss> бля куда я попал ?
[19:51] <algyz> !ru | boss
[19:51] <ubotu> boss: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:51] <algyz> ubuntu_:  use alternate
[19:52] <algyz> boss:  иди туда, сам знаешь куда :)
[19:52] <ubuntu_> i dont wanna use this
[19:52] <ubuntu_> it should runs!
[19:53] <boss> algyz:  спасибо френд - блин ..
[19:53] <pyro_17> shoot tranlucency is boggin the system down
[19:53] <algyz> ubuntu_:  remember, kubuntu comes with no warranty ;)
[19:54] <haddons> ?
[20:06] <yovan> hi everyone
[20:06] <yovan> i had a question
[20:07] <yovan> how to install oracle 10 g on kubuntu
[20:10] <trappist> yovan: that'll probably take some work.  I think oracle has a built-in list of distros it'll install on, and I doubt kubuntu's on the list
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> hi all
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> i need help
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> accessing a ext3 drive in windows
[20:15] <_myrtille_> !ext3
[20:15] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[20:15] <_myrtille_> it works :D
[20:16] <_myrtille_> !ext3 >MikeyLDS
[20:34] <davedorm> is there a way when installing Kubuntu to tell it NOT to install a certain package when loading the livecd?
[20:35] <davedorm> powernowd locks my PC
[20:35] <davedorm> I tried noacpi
[20:35] <davedorm> I tried acpi=off
[20:35] <davedorm> but it's not an acpi issue
[20:35] <boss> ру
[20:36] <boss> оп ру блин
[20:36] <jussi01> !ru | boss
[20:36] <ubotu> boss: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[20:36] <boss> jussi01:  thx
[20:37] <jussi01> davedorm: try using the alternate cd
[20:37] <davedorm> tried it
[20:37] <davedorm> don't work
[20:37] <wad> I'm curious about something. I type in a command, and kubuntu tells me that it's available in this package. Is there a command-line way to get a description of the package?
[20:37] <davedorm> there is no way to choose packages
[20:38] <davedorm> and it installs powenowd by default
[20:38] <davedorm> so when it goes into x? phhhhhhhht..... crunchy
[20:38] <davedorm> this is not just Kubuntu, it happens on all the *buntus so far
[20:38] <davedorm> this PC sucks
[20:39] <davedorm> I've tried 7.10, 8.04, and both alternate and live cds
[20:39] <davedorm> I am not a n00b, I have Kubuntu running on other PCs
[20:39] <davedorm> it's judt this one
[20:40] <wad> davedorm: Get a hammer.
[20:40] <wad> ;)
[20:40] <davedorm> heh
[20:40] <davedorm> I would if this was an old clunker
[20:40] <davedorm> but it's a Pentium D 3.33GHz so it is not a BAD PC
[20:40] <davedorm> it is just a little bit non-standard, I guess
[20:41] <davedorm> and I cannot find anything to work *buntu
[20:41] <davedorm> I was able to install Debian
[20:41] <davedorm> but I don't *want* Debian
[20:43] <davedorm> I *want* Kubuntu
[20:43] <algyz> everybody wants ;)
[20:43] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[20:47] <hellhound> Can anyone help me with my xorg.conf.  I have installed Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon on a desktop that has two Samsung SyncMaster 940bw connected to two separate nVidia G80 GeForce 8600 GT (PCI:1:0:0 and PCI:4:0:0)  I am trying to set up so both monitors work.   The installation process automatically set up one monitor up, but I cannot seem to figure out how to set up the second.  My xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61250/ and my
[20:47] <hellhound> startx response is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61252/
[20:48] <noaXess> !dualboot
[20:48] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[20:55] <Aubustou> hello
[20:55] <Aubustou> i have a problem with knetworkmanager
[20:56] <Aubustou> for some reasons, it doesn't want to scan the available ap
[21:12] <FFForever> how can i find all files over 100mb via the terminal?
[21:13] <jpatrick> FFForever: well, "du" tells you the file size..
[21:18] <mark__> hello
[21:19] <mark__> hey all. i have a nickname which i set up the other week. how can i use this nickname in this chat???
[21:20] <hellhound> Can anyone help me with my xorg.conf.  I have installed Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon on a desktop that has two Samsung SyncMaster 940bw connected to two separate nVidia G80 GeForce 8600 GT (PCI:1:0:0 and PCI:4:0:0)  I am trying to set up so both monitors work.   The installation process automatically set up one monitor up, but I cannot seem to figure out how to set up the second.  My xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61250/ and my
[21:20] <hellhound> startx response is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61252/
[21:20] <jpatrick> mark__: /nick nickYouHad
[21:21] <rickest> mark__:  try '/msg nickserv' for help on registering a nick
[21:21] <rickest> er, /msg nickserv help
[21:21] <mark__> o.k so i need to write in a new line. /msg my nick???
[21:24] <jpatrick> mark__: which nick was it?
[21:25] <rickest> mark__: no, either "/nick [the_nick_you_had]"  or  "/msg nickserv help" to find out how to register a nick
[21:25] <kerry_> how to delete linux from my pc
[21:26] <stefano_> kerry_: you better not :-)
[21:26] <kerry_> why not
[21:26] <kerry_> stefano_: why not ?
[21:27] <stefano_> kerry_: because linux rocks :-)
[21:27] <kerry_> i want to reinstall it
[21:27] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[21:28] <stefano_> kerry_: did you make a partition for linux or did you install it on a seperate hard drive?
[21:28] <mark__> hey
[21:28] <kerry_> a partition
[21:28] <mark__> my nick is cyferactive
[21:28] <ubuntu_> what is a rick roll and where can i get one?
[21:28] <jpatrick> mark__: type: /nick cyferactive
[21:29] <mark__> i have cyferactive registered.but im still unsure how to use it?>
[21:29] <kerry_> ubuntu_: a partition
[21:29] <cyferactive> o.k
[21:29] <cyferactive> thanx all. I get it now..
[21:30] <stefano_> kerry_: the installer should promt you to select a partition, if you select the same again and tell it to erase (format) it, you new installation will be clean
[21:30] <jpatrick> cyferactive: see: /msg NickServ help identify
[21:30] <stefano_> kerry_: it should also recognise your other operating systems
[21:30] <ubuntu_> the linux is for foreigners
[21:31] <kerry_> stefano_: sorry i do not understand
[21:31] <kerry_> stefano_: can you just give me instructions?
[21:33] <stefano_> kerry_: you installed ubuntu on your computer?
[21:33] <stefano_> or kubuntu
[21:33] <kerry_> stefano_: kubuntu
[21:33] <stefano_> kerry_: just do the same again
[21:33] <cyferactive> g
[21:34] <stefano_> kerry_: you don't have to remove it
[21:34] <kerry_> stefano_: no i want to , i ll reinstall it from my disk
[21:35] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[21:35] <stefano_> kerry_: if you install it again, the installer will format your existing linux partition
[21:35] <jcfp> !install | ubuntu_
[21:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:37] <kerry_> stefano_: how do i find out how much memori the linus is using from my pc?
[21:38] <stefano_> kerry_: are you currently in windows?
[21:38] <kerry_> no i am in linux
[21:39] <stefano_> kerry_: you can use a program called gparted to take a look at your partitioning (partitioning is how your hard drive is devided)
[21:40] <cyferactive> Can anyone suggest a good place to get the user manual and help guide gnome-nettool 2.20.0.
[21:40] <kerry_> 0
[21:41] <kerry_> stefano_and where do i find the Gparted program
[21:45] <kerry_> stefano_:and where do i find the Gparted program
[21:45] <stefano_> !apt
[21:45] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[21:45] <stefano_> !Synaptic
[21:45] <stefano_> !Adept
[21:45] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[21:45] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[21:46] <stefano_> there you go kerry_ hope that helps you
[21:47] <kerry_>  stefano_:wich link
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: sorry
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: i got something wrong
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: one second
[21:48] <cyferactive> where can i get the user guide foe gnome-nettol?
[21:48] <stefano_> kerry_: open the Adept program and search for QtParted
[21:48] <stefano_> kerry_: install it, then run it. in it you can see your partitioning
[21:50] <JasonWard> hi guys. I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have
[21:50] <JasonWard> my nvidia driver installed
[21:55] <JasonWard> did everyone leave after seeing the question? lol
[21:55] <cyferactive> is there anyone who can tell me where to find the user guide for the gnome network tools???
[21:55] <stefano_> cyferactive: woudlt it be better to ask that in #ubuntu?
[21:55] <stefano_> #ubuntu
[21:56] <cyferactive> how do i ask in ubuntu?
[21:56] <jussi01> cyferactive: type: /join #ubuntu
[21:56] <cyferactive> stefano this is my second time in konversation?/
[21:57] <JasonWard> do you have ubuntu?
[21:57] <stefano_> cyferactive: just click on this: #ubuntu
[21:58] <cyferactive> hey all im a brand newbie, just had to enter #kubuntu to find out how to join #ubuntu?
[21:58] <cyferactive> Can anyone suggest where i can get the user manual or the user guide for the gnome network tool??/
[22:00] <JasonWard> cyferactive: in kde I go kmenu--> help, that has all the application manuals
[22:01] <JasonWard> just look in the index
[22:01] <JasonWard>  hi guys. I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have
[22:01] <JasonWard> my nvidia driver installed
[22:02] <kerry_> stefano_: i installed it but how do i find the partitions display
[22:04] <stefano_> kerry_: open up a terminal window and type "sudo qtparted" (withthouth "")
[22:04] <lattoneria> uff
[22:05]  * arriesp 
[22:05]  * arriesp xao
[22:06] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | stefano_
[22:06] <ubotu> stefano_: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:14] <kerry_> stefano_: to open up a terminal : press F2 and Alt at the same time right ?
[22:14] <intelikey> i have not used swap in so long i have forgotten what a line for swap in fstab looks like,   someone care to paste one for me please ?
[22:15] <intelikey> kerry_ from within kde alt+f2 will give the "run dialog"
[22:15] <JasonWard> intelikey: I can try help you since I have a swap but how do I do it?
[22:16] <raijin> so
[22:16] <intelikey> kerry_ you can there type "konsole" and get a terminal yes.
[22:16] <JasonWard> ya
[22:16] <intelikey> JasonWard grep -i swap /etc/fstab
[22:16] <JasonWard> I typed fstab but it doesn't recognize the command
[22:16] <JasonWard> ok
[22:17] <JasonWard> UUID=6145d40e-690d-4c71-9a32-0d4514e42451 none            swap    sw              0       0
[22:17] <intelikey> ok thanks.
[22:17] <JasonWard> I have no idea what that means, can you explain it to me?
[22:18] <rickest> intelikey: /dev/sda2     none          swap          sw                        0 0
[22:19] <intelikey> sure.  the UUID is the unique unit identifier  for the file system     tells the kernel which fs to mount there.   the second word "swap" tells the kernel the pysudo mountpoint to attach the filesystem to.   the "sw" tells mount the type of fs it is.   and the other entries are just arguments to the mount command telling it how to handle the mount.
[22:19] <intelikey> rickest yes.  got it from JasonWard already,  but many thanks.
[22:20] <JasonWard> I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have my
[22:20] <JasonWard> nvidia driver installed
[22:23] <intelikey> JasonWard the differance you may note in yours and rickest's lines is the filesystem address  you used the UUID  and he used the device node  addressing system    with UUID if you reformat the fs it changes, with the /dev/ addressing the device only changes if you unplug/replug (if on usb)  or unplug/replug the ide/scsi cable so that the device changes bus's or goes from master/slave v.v
[22:23] <JasonWard> oh ok
[22:23] <JasonWard> tnx
[22:23] <intelikey> welcome.
[22:24] <intelikey> sorry i can't help with the nvidia issue.  i'm a console guy not a gui guy.
[22:24] <rickest> JasonWard: try 'envy', it automates the whole process
[22:24] <jpatrick> !envy | rickest
[22:24] <ubotu> rickest: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[22:25] <JasonWard> intelikey but your using kubuntu? why not use a more hardcore distro then?
[22:25] <rickest> it's needed for 8800, the repo driver doesn't support 8800 (or  didn't a month ago when I last checked)
[22:37] <JasonWard> rickest: I am using the nvidia one
[22:37] <JasonWard> from the nvidia site
[22:37] <rickest> JasonWard: yes, that makes sense. thx for the info
[22:37] <JasonWard> but kubuntu keeps using the vesa driver
[22:38] <rickest> JasonWard: presumably that's a problem with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:38] <JasonWard> my xorg.conf is setup correctly and all is supposed to be working
[22:38] <JasonWard> but under system settings it is detecting my card as a generic vesa card
[22:39] <JasonWard> not 8800GT
[22:40] <rickest> JasonWard: does lsmod show nvidia is loaded?
[22:40] <JasonWard> whats that?
[22:41] <amrush> hi all .. My KDE4 crashed few days ago and i can't reboot it anymore .. somekind of bug in Plasma ... can anyone help?
[22:42] <contex> sera a tutti
[22:42] <Jucato> amrush: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:43] <JasonWard> rickest: what is  ismod?
[22:43] <Jucato> !it | contex
[22:43] <ubotu> contex: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:43] <amrush> Jucato: Tahnks
[22:43] <contex> ok... scusa nn lo sapevo
[22:43] <rickest> JasonWard: lsmod    (first char is a lowercase el, l not  one 1).  lsmod = list modules
[22:44] <Jucato> (lsmod | grep nv)
[22:45] <JasonWard> it has this. nvidia               7822336  24
[22:45] <JasonWard> it also tells me this in system settings but it doesn't say what card I have
[22:46] <JasonWard> if I select GeForce 8 series it won't even load my gui
[22:51] <ramzay> русский
[22:51] <ramzay> всем привет
[22:51] <ramzay> ребята
[22:52] <Jucato> !ru | ramzay
[22:52] <ubotu> ramzay: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[22:52] <ramzay> Дай мне русский ирц сцука ,тупой бот
[22:52] <syke> hi
[22:53] <syke> I'm interested in funding some KDE3.5 fixes and optimizations: http://wiki.yak.net/894
[22:53] <syke> hopefully, for inclusion into hardy
[22:53] <syke> if anyone is interested, or knows someone who might be, please let me know :)
[22:57] <BunnyRevolution> syke: you might consider a rent a coder type of site
[22:57] <jujimufu> I've installed Kubuntu 7.10, and I tried upgrading to 8.04 following the website instructions, but it says I need an extra 20 megs on my /boot partition
[22:58] <jujimufu> my /boot partition is currently 32 megs with ext3 filesystem
[22:58] <BunnyRevolution> resize it
[22:58] <jujimufu> I would like to take some megabytes off the swap partition (currently at 1024 mb, with a RAM of 512 mb) and put it in the /boot partition, but is this possible without the use of a liveCD?
[22:58] <terran4000> jujimufu: 32 megs might not be enough space
[22:58] <jujimufu> terran4000: how much do you reckon I'd need?
[22:59] <terran4000> jujimufu: hmm, upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 .... hm, that would leave you with 4 images, 50 to be on the safe side.
[23:00] <terran4000> Though .... if I may ask, how is your boot partition filled with 32megs of stuff?
[23:00] <syke> bunny: do you have a specific example?
[23:00] <BunnyRevolution> jujimufu, yes, via gparted.  there are other re-sizers
[23:00] <mi> i upgrade GG 2 HH ...not good here everything is in mess :(
[23:01] <jujimufu> terran4000: ok great, thanks :)
[23:02] <terran4000> jujimufu: As Bunny recommends, gparted or qtparted would be how you could resize. I believe Gparted actually has their own cd you can boot from and use.
[23:04] <jujimufu> terran4000: I'll try qtparted, thanks :
[23:04] <jujimufu> :)
[23:05] <jujimufu> terran4000: I remember there was this other application, from console, that I used to use, but I can't remember the name
[23:06] <terran4000> fdisk?
[23:06] <jujimufu> probably, yeah
[23:06] <BunnyRevolution> jujimufu: yes, gparted has a live bootable cd
[23:07] <jujimufu> I tried to resize my swap through qtparted, I resize it, and then it just pops up a dialog with no content, and just an "ok" button, I click "ok", and the partition is not resized
[23:08] <BunnyRevolution> boot live, remove swap, resize boot, add swap, reboot to os.  u do have a backup right?
[23:08] <BunnyRevolution> your next option is to do LVM
[23:08] <jujimufu> LVM?
[23:11] <BunnyRevolution> LVM would allow your partitions to grow as needed iirc
[23:24] <paule118> paule118
[23:26] <Pierro> hello i need to know what the equivalent in Kubuntu is for the add/remove in Ubuntu?
[23:26] <SiSo> Adept
[23:26] <Pierro> ty
[23:26] <SiSo> np
[23:26] <Pierro> how can i install it
[23:27] <Pierro> i am running Kubuntu through andLinux and its not installed yet i only have synaptic
[23:27] <Jucato> the package name is adept-installer
[23:27] <Pierro> sudo apt-get adapt?
[23:27] <Pierro> opk ty
[23:27] <Jucato> well sudo apt-get install adept
[23:28] <Jucato> that should be better
[23:28] <SiSo> thanks jucato I couldn't remember the name of the package
[23:28] <Pierro> sudo apt-get adapt-installer is working
[23:28] <Pierro> ty SiSo and Jucato
[23:28] <Pierro> yeah i am on windows now and i have andLinux with kubuntu here but i also have a native Kubuntu install i am booting back and forward for videogames :(
[23:29] <SiSo> :(
[23:29] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, that's pretty common i tihnk
[23:31] <NickPresta> Pierro, that is fairly common if you're a hardcore gamer or like to play 'difficult' games.
[23:31] <Pierro> ok doesnt work through Konsole but it works through synaptic with adept-common as dependency
[23:32] <Pierro> NickPresta i tried to run GTA Vice City via wine and it was horrible
[23:32] <Jucato> Pierro: better try sudo apt-get install adept to get it all
[23:32] <Pierro> booting is less fuz
[23:33] <belladonna> why is it that when I go to System Settings->Restricted Drivers and enable the NVIDIA driver that it then goes back to "Not in use" status
[23:33] <Pierro> Jucato thats what i tried wouldnt work through KOnsole though but synaptic makes it work
[23:33] <Jucato> wonder why
[23:33] <Pierro> because for adapt-installer you need adept-common also
[23:33] <Pierro> i think
[23:33] <Pierro> but i am a below novice user
[23:34] <Jucato> Pierro: adept-common is needed by any adept. it's what's "common" between them
[23:34] <Jucato> I don't know why apt-get won't work in Konsole though
[23:34] <Pierro> Jucato its prolly because i am using a modified version of Kubuntu specially tailored for andLinux
[23:34] <Jucato> that could be one
[23:36] <Pierro> which command do i need to use to run adept from Konsole?
[23:36] <nonewmsgs> synaptic
[23:36] <Pierro> lol
[23:37] <ign0ramus> hi all.  question: how do i limit or manage my .thumbnails folder?  I'm manually emptying it every few days, and it gets pretty huge after a while...
[23:37] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, that isn't what you want?"
[23:37] <Pierro> no i mean the add/remove feature with the descriptions and the ratings
[23:38] <Pierro> for Kubuntu
[23:38] <Pierro> lol
[23:38] <Pierro> i am a nightmare
[23:38] <nonewmsgs> adept_installer
[23:38] <ign0ramus> i tried a command i found on ubuntuforums to only thumbnail images from the last day, but it didn't seem to work...
[23:38] <Pierro> ty
[23:38] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, anytime
[23:42] <Pierro> nonewmsgs any clue how i can start this app in Konsole: Gnomoradio Music Player ?
[23:43] <ign0ramus> pierro: have you tried just typing "gnomoradio"?
[23:43] <nonewmsgs> pierro right click and goto that item and select edit
[23:43] <Pierro> hmz well i have no desktop its through andLinux lol
[23:44] <Pierro> so i am blind here
[23:44] <nonewmsgs> wtf is andlinux
[23:45] <Pierro> a way to run linux and windows at the same time with colinux
[23:45] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: a way to run linux *inside* windows
[23:45] <Pierro> no
[23:45] <Pierro> its more complicated then that D:
[23:45] <Pierro> its running at the same time
[23:45] <Pierro> its a kernel port to windows
[23:46] <jujimufu> so it's different than VMware?
[23:46] <ign0ramus> pierro: doesn't that have the xfce desktop?
[23:47] <Pierro> yeah totally
[23:47] <Pierro> vmware is slow
[23:47] <Pierro> these are almost native speeds
[23:47] <ign0ramus> jujimufu: afaik, it actually runs a linux kernel
[23:47] <Pierro> also ign0ramus i am using the Kubuntu one
[23:47] <Pierro> though
[23:47] <terran4000> Pierro: is it runs along side windows ... it's using the same memory buffers, how well does it handle the transition between one OS and the other?
[23:48] <terran4000> *if it runs
[23:48] <Pierro> i am not that tech savvy but i can run tons of linux apps without noticing any performance hit but it depends on your hardware specs also i think
[23:48] <terran4000> Pardon my crappy typing ><
[23:48] <ign0ramus> !xming
[23:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xming - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:48] <Pierro> yeah it using xming and pulseaudio
[23:49] <Pierro> for the forwarding stuff of X11 and audio
[23:49] <ign0ramus> hows pulseaudio... i never cared for it much
[23:49] <Pierro> i dont like vmware
[23:49] <Pierro> it all works for me :)
[23:49] <ign0ramus> vmware is a 'jury-rigged' way of running apps
[23:49] <Pierro> but andLinux is still beta
[23:49] <Pierro> so its not perfect
[23:50] <ign0ramus> nothing in linux is :)
[23:50] <Pierro> but i value it above vmware
[23:50] <ign0ramus> that's whats fun about it
[23:50] <terran4000> wait wait ... it forwards data to Linux? hmm
[23:50] <ign0ramus> it *is* linux
[23:50] <Pierro> lol
[23:50] <terran4000> >_>
[23:50] <ign0ramus> well, colinux, i believe.  right?
[23:50] <Pierro> yeah
[23:51] <ign0ramus> i read about it a few days ago- seems interesting but a little involved
[23:51] <terran4000> he said it forwards data to linux ... thus, I'm wondering how this stuff works. Cause forwarding wouldn't be running along side :-/
[23:51] <Pierro> no from linux to windows
[23:51] <Pierro> the graphics and sound from linux need to be forwarded to windows
[23:51] <Pierro> again i am just a n00b so dont take my words for it
[23:52] <Pierro> i just no it works for me
[23:52] <terran4000> oh, so it's just another VM. Gotcha :-P
[23:52] <Pierro> no
[23:52] <Pierro> its not
[23:52] <terran4000> >_>
[23:52] <Pierro> a vm
[23:52] <Pierro> because it runs the kernel natively
[23:52] <Pierro> with colinux
[23:52] <Pierro> not virtual
[23:52] <terran4000> geh, I'll just go it up before we all get kicked for OT.
[23:52] <Pierro> lol
[23:53] <ign0ramus> well, back OT - does no one know how to manage the .thumbnails folder?
[23:53] <bhsx> howdy... i'm on hardy and just installed kde4 (i noticed there isn't a kubuntu+1 channel)....   how do i fix/add programs to the new start menu/kicker widget thing?
[23:53] <ign0ramus> it friggin caches *everything*, and using stumbleupon, i hit a few hundred sites a day, and that folder gets HUGE
[23:53] <Pierro> lol
[23:54] <terran4000> Pierro: aha, I'm correct: Unlike in other Linux virtualization solutions such as User Mode Linux (or the forementioned VMware), special driver software on the host operating system is used to execute the coLinux kernel in a privileged mode (known as ring 0 or supervisor mode).
[23:54] <terran4000> it is a vm
[23:54] <terran4000> but optimized and specialized
[23:54] <ign0ramus> bhsx: you'll probably get better answers at #kubuntu-kde4
[23:54] <bhsx> ah ok thanks
[23:55] <ign0ramus> terran4000: no... it's not a "virtual" emulator... it actually runs the linux kernel, rather than emulating one.
[23:55] <ign0ramus> a small but important difference
[23:55] <nonewmsgs> like the reverse of wine?
[23:55] <Pierro> terran4000 yah i guess you are but again i am not a native english speaker so i often draw the short straw in semantics games
[23:56] <ign0ramus> not the "reverse", but a better method.  similar in that you can run programs native to a different OS
[23:56] <terran4000> True, I cede that poit ign. But it still is virtualization in a sense. Since it runs linux from within windows and not both Windows and Linux as the machine level.
[23:56] <terran4000> *at the machine level.
[23:57] <terran4000> Tea + phone + typing != quality typing
[23:57] <Pierro> its not as slow as wine
[23:57] <Pierro> and it runs all linux apps
[23:57] <Pierro> thats why its called andLinux it merges windows with Linux
[23:59] <Pierro> where can i find new installed software in Kubuntu?
[23:59] <terran4000> Definitelly seems like something to check out Pierro, thanks. hopefully I can start that way to port Windows people to linux!
[23:59] <Pierro> :)