[00:02] <googlah> zylstra555: Overall Hardy isn't recommended for servers
[00:02] <zylstra555> googlah: Amazingly, its working better than Ubuntu 7.10 Server
[00:03] <googlah> Nice to hear, with gui or not?
[00:03] <zylstra555> googlah: No GUI.
[00:04] <tanner_> in what manner is it better?
[00:04] <googlah> Nice to hear, I've been running gutsy for 200 days now in server
[00:05] <googlah> or 150, whatever
[00:05] <zylstra555> tanner_: For one, Apache actually worked off the bat for once. I didnt have to struggle so much with PHP and MySQL. Seemed like most everything that was supposed to be there and working was there, and working
[00:05] <salty-horse> hi. anyone else experiencing a crash when launching liferea_1.4.14-0ubuntu1 ?
[00:06] <pestilence> clarezoe: try #ubuntu-fr?
[00:09] <Laney> fglrx supports compositing directly in Hardy, right?
[00:10] <poseidon> Is there a way to put all three of my menus into one?
[00:10] <happytiger> How come bash-completion isnt install by default in hardy?
[00:10] <Laney> happytiger: It will be very soon, that bug was just fixed :)
[00:11] <happytiger> Oki cool just wanted to help get that in place for everyone else missing this killer feature
[00:11] <happytiger> was worried for a few days untill i found out this was in that packages :-)
[00:12] <Laney> I think it used to be in the main bash package, and then got split off into its own bash-completion one, which wasn't included in main for some reason.
[00:13] <happytiger> Yeah sounds like it... I almost started to fear konsole with out that feature suddenlty i had to spell everything lolz
[00:13] <happytiger> But god to hear its back in
[00:13] <happytiger> And java works in firefox to ... damn cool
[00:14] <happytiger> So I can go upgrade my gf and my moms puters to hardy so they can use it with their new ipod nanos :-)
[00:14] <happytiger> damn cool seems like it is getting there
[00:14] <pestilence> happytiger: you might want to wait a month :-D
[00:14] <thompa> happytiger: there are some usb issues
[00:15] <happytiger> oki I havent discovered?
[00:15] <thompa> happytiger: does your ipod automount
[00:15] <happytiger> Yes it does
[00:15] <thompa> happytiger: what version of kernel?
[00:16] <happytiger> Fresh out of the box didnt do anything to make it work
[00:16] <Laney> What's different with java?
[00:16] <thompa> happytiger: sorry i mean is it upgraded
[00:16] <happytiger> I just install latest hardy beta i386 and did dist-upgrade and thats all kernel = Linux happydesk 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686
[00:17] <thompa> happytiger: im having a problem after last alpha mounting anything
[00:17] <happytiger> Yup all updateed
[00:17] <happytiger> Hmm oki no problems here
[00:17] <thompa> happytiger: maybe i need to reinstall. is it x64?
[00:17] <savvas> thompa: mounting what?
[00:17] <happytiger> i386
[00:17] <thompa> walkman
[00:17] <thompa> i can add it to ftab
[00:18] <savvas> thompa: sudo aptitutde reinstall udev gnome-mount
[00:18] <thompa> but it only comes up as usb in gnome, kde nothing
[00:18] <savvas> thompa:typo, sorry: sudo aptitude reinstall udev gnome-mount
[00:18] <happytiger> hmm weird works like a charm here
[00:18] <savvas> ah
[00:18] <thompa> savvas: ok,,,brb
[00:18] <savvas> kde ;)
[00:18] <savvas> no idea about that thompa
[00:18] <happytiger> Did you update from alpha to beta ? or install from beta cd?
[00:18] <thompa> savvas: i tried a new install without it
[00:18] <Laney> Ooer, I just did update-manager -d and it told me my (Gutsy) system is already up-to-date. :(.
[00:19] <thompa> savvas: im in gnome and installed it later
[00:19] <savvas> Laney: did you click check after that? :)
[00:19] <happytiger> My hardy didnt survive update from alpha to beta but since i installed fresh from the beta cd i386 my Hardy is a dream
[00:19] <savvas> thompa: but you say gnome mounts it, right?
[00:19] <Laney> savvas: "check"? I only had a close button which got rid of update-manager.
[00:20]  * Laney tries again
[00:20] <savvas> Laney: don't make me take a screenshot for something as simple as that :P
[00:20] <thompa> savvas: in gnome it pops up in my computer as usb only and if i try open only question marks
[00:21] <Laney> savvas: I know where "check" is, but I mean that I'd have to start again to click it ;)
[00:21] <thompa> savvas: i can ad it sdb1 i think to fstab, but alpha 6 automount and open
[00:21] <savvas> Laney: update-manager -d and hit the check button, it should then show info about new devel releases
[00:21] <thompa> savvas:sudo -s
[00:22] <Laney> savvas: Yes, it told me that it was up to date after I clicked to upgrade to 8.04
[00:22] <Laney> Seems to be working this time
[00:22] <thompa> savvas: that command not working
[00:22] <thompa> savvas: i cant run apptitude,
[00:22] <savvas> thompa: no idea, but.. um.. i think there were some problems reported with usb devices and the latest kernel image
[00:23] <thompa> savvas: i know about those
[00:23] <savvas> thompa: aptitude with one t
[00:23] <savvas> and one p :P
[00:23] <thompa> savvas: i did it right, mistype here
[00:23] <thompa> :-D
[00:23] <savvas> thompa: what does it say? the error of aptitude?
[00:24] <thompa> savvas: ok its working
[00:25] <savvas> ;p
[00:25] <savvas> i should slap all of you for typos
[00:25] <savvas> myself included :)
[00:25] <thompa> savvas: i mean installing, will test usb now
[00:25] <happytiger> hehe  //slap
[00:25] <MTeck> somebody wanna help me out w/ pidgin? I can manage to get an internet connection but I don't do it through nm-applet. If I'm on a wired connection it seems to work perfect. If I'm connecting over wireless (meaning issues w/ nm-applet) then it just sits at "waiting for network connection".
[00:25] <Laney> Hmm, can I get update-manager to use a faster mirror? I should be getting more than 100k/s :(
[00:26] <thompa> savvas: i just cut and past your command into text file
[00:26] <thompa> just in case its a hoser
[00:26] <nickrud> Laney on the software sources dialog, there's a dropdown for the server. Select other, and a big list opens up
[00:26] <Laney> nickrud: Oh, that works for u-m too? Thanks
[00:26] <savvas> Laney: yeah, change your archive mirror from system > administration > software sources > download from:
[00:27] <thompa> savvas: unable to mount location usb
[00:27] <savvas> Laney: hint: you must stop your current download ;)
[00:27] <nickrud> Laney that's sources is apt-wide, synaptic, apt-get and all
[00:27] <Laney> savvas: Yeah I got that much
[00:27] <loa_> Hello how i can disable changing cursor when application starts?
[00:27] <thompa> savvas: kernel or hal problem maybe?
[00:27] <Laney> I was under the impression that u-m replaced my sources.list with a default
[00:27] <nickrud> Laney no, it uses whatever your sources.list is
[00:27] <savvas> thompa: wanna test reinstalling everything? did you upgrade from gutsy?
[00:28] <thompa> savvas: alpha last one mounts it still
[00:28] <savvas> thompa: anything in the logs? check: nautilus /var/log/
[00:29] <thompa> savvas: not ive reinstalled a few and also upgrade on x64 part. the x64 alpha 6 automounts
[00:29] <thompa> savvas: good idea thanks
[00:29] <thompa> thats a cool place for them
[00:30] <thompa> savvas:  lsusb
[00:30] <thompa> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[00:31] <thompa> savvas:the dev number is different
[00:31] <savvas> thompa: one moment
[00:32] <thompa> tak
[00:32] <savvas> thompa: paste the output of: uname -a
[00:32] <thompa> Linux mardoz0 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:33] <thompa> that the non-mount errors one
[00:33] <loa_> GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[00:34] <loa_> what is it/
[00:34] <loa_> with latest firefox.
[00:36] <thompa> savvas: the other problem is acer_acpi, but its well known i hope
[00:37] <gaucho> My hardy amd64 isn't installing because X restarts when I choose my keyboard layout during the install process. Why it's happening?
[00:38] <thompa> gaucho: do safe graphics install. is that still there
[00:38] <thompa> but mine installed 1440x900 res first time ever
[00:39] <gaucho> uol! cool! What I need to do to use safe graphics mode?
[00:39] <thompa> gaucho: are you on the live cd?
[00:39] <gaucho> no, I'm on my gutsy
[00:39] <savvas> thompa: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic hal udev
[00:40] <thompa> savvas: ill try that brb
[00:40] <savvas> thompa: then give your machine a reboot :)
[00:40] <Daleus> When I open "Run application" (alt + f2) and I type something, i.e Amarok, it will try auto complete and i'll always get 'Amarokok' I tried searching launchpad but I don't know what terms to use for good results.
[00:41] <thompa> gaucho: turn off effects
[00:41] <gaucho> well.. Let me think thompa! From 0 to 10, Which grade you give to Heron and why?
[00:42] <thompa> gaucho: I would wait
[00:42] <gaucho> why?
[00:42] <thompa> gaucho: i think its going to be the best of course
[00:43] <Zero-00> hello
[00:43] <gaucho> ok, but I'm asking for a grade at this time..
[00:43] <thompa> well i have a few bugs and have not had time to use it that much
[00:43] <gaucho> considering I can daily upgrade it
[00:43] <Zero-00>  help me
[00:43] <thompa> gaucho: its faster, kde looks awesome
[00:43] <gaucho> cool
[00:44] <thompa> gaucho: but im in gnome
[00:44] <gaucho> Which is the most important bug you saw?
[00:44] <Zero-00> where you pack
[00:44] <thompa> gaucho: there are lots of updates
[00:45] <thompa> gaucho: its moving too fast
[00:45] <Zero-00> iiiiooio
[00:45] <gaucho> cool..
[00:45] <Zero-00> uuiuiu
[00:46] <thompa> gaucho: next week its diff maybe
[00:46] <gaucho> and.. If I daily dist-upgrade it, next month, I will have a system as stable as one installed by the official stable media?
[00:47] <thompa> i dont have 10 hours a day to waste on the computer either
[00:47] <thompa> gaucho: in theory yes
[00:47] <gaucho> uol! This way I will install it just now!![
[00:47] <gaucho> heheheh
[00:48] <thompa> :-!brb
[00:51] <Adys> long shot, does anyone know how to change the keybind to move a window? alt click by default
[00:52] <Keibnusan> I hope the missing lib32 pulse audio plugin for asound gets fixed amd64, its pretty damn annoying on the current beta
[00:52] <RAOF> Eh, wine doesn't like pulseaudio anyway.
[00:52] <RAOF> This is essentially the _only_ thing I'd care about, so it makes it much less interesting for me.
[00:53] <Keibnusan> I imagine it'd play fine with the PA plugin for alsa.  most of my 64bit apps seem to
[00:54] <thompa> savvas: nope,
[00:54] <Keibnusan> I dunno though, I havent really installed debian or anything to test that hypothesis
[00:54] <RAOF> Keibnusan: You can imagine all you like.  I've _got_ a lib32 pulseaudio plugin, and wine (or, at least, WoW) doesn't like it very much.
[00:55] <thompa> savvas: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[00:55] <thompa> but cant mount
[00:55] <thompa> im going to try my pda
[00:57] <m1r> i have instaled gnome-do and set it up to autostart, now when i login it is showing everytime on boot. can i make it somehow to start hidden until i run it ?
[00:58] <anthony> m1r: there's a switch, but you'll have to read the documentation, as I don't remember it
[00:59] <jgoss> gnome-do --quiet should do it
[00:59] <m1r> ok , many tnx guys :)
[01:08] <sparkyspark> hello yall
[01:08] <sparkyspark> so I have 8.04 beta and it didnt ask for a network config on startup.. should it do that?
[01:09] <sparkyspark> I added it in network manager and it did it wrong - put in the wrong syntax - it didnt add the auto eth0 part
[01:09] <sparkyspark> in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:10] <sparkyspark> anyone else seen this?
[01:11] <sparkyspark> ??
[01:13] <Arand> At least for me it normally just works. (using DHCP), just set to roaming, no configs...
[01:14] <Arand> There's normally no network config on startup as far as I know...
[01:15] <Arand> Could be wrong though...
[01:17] <choward> Hello, I upgraded my 7.10 install to 8.04 and lost my sound.  Is this a known issue? if so how do I fix it?
[01:20] <collusion> on the topic of sound, my thinkpad laptop has volume keys that used to affect what volume the panel displayed; the keys still work but it doesn't seem to be setting the alsamixer volume any more.  any idea why?
[01:20] <symptom> sudo apt-get upgrade holds serpentine back but the update manager installs it.... anyone know why?
[01:20] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm getting hard-locks every few hours, and they appear random.  How can I find out the cause? What debugging should I be looking at? What logs etc?
[01:20] <ere4si> just read this blog - http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2008/02/memory-usage-gutsy-vs-hardy.html - how accurate is it pls?
[01:21] <martalli> collusion: When you click on the sound icon on your desktop, what does it show?  The main channel or something else?
[01:21] <collusion> martalli: rightclick preferences says it's managing the alsa mixer master volume.
[01:22] <collusion> martalli: when i actually run alsamixer and press the volume keys, nothing changes.  perhaps that's the real "problem"
[01:22] <martalli> You might just need to change the default channel in your mixer (kubuntu: right click and open settings->pref)
[01:22] <martalli> maybe so.
[01:22] <martalli> collusion: What distro are you running?
[01:23] <crimsun> collusion: set the appropriate mixer elements using System> Preferences> Sound
[01:23] <collusion> martalli; hardy beta iso, with dist-upgrade from a few hours ago.
[01:23] <crimsun> (if you're using GNOME)
[01:23] <martalli> collusion: I guess I mean kubuntu, ubuntu, or *buntu? =)
[01:25] <collusion> martalli: oh, i guess regular ubuntu (i.e. gnome).  i'm actually running custom gnome-session possibly with old .gconf files from 6.06
[01:25] <martalli> collusion: such old pref files might be playing havoc, too.
[01:26] <m1r> if i update 7.10 to 8.04 and then continue upgrading only to next LTS release, would that be ok for system ?
[01:26] <martalli> I am only guessing here, but renaming your .gnome (.gnome2?) directory might cause a "clean" .gnome directory to be depostied on your next login....or it could screw up your machine =)
[01:27] <martalli> m1r: That should be fine
[01:27] <collusion> martalli: heh, yeah, maybe i should try that.
[01:27] <m1r> tnx martalli
[01:27] <martalli> collusion: If you leaves you at least the cli...you could always move the old dir back =)
[01:28] <martalli> m1r: It has always gone well for me to upgrade with upgrade-manager -d...but make sure you have a back up of any important data before you go down the rabbit hole.  Besides, being prepared guarantees problems won't arise (revere Murphy's Law)
[01:28] <collusion> martalli: i'll play around with new gnome config files.
[01:28] <Wamphyri> is there any support for sli?
[01:29] <martalli> revere//reverse
[01:29] <m1r> yes martalli, was thinking on that way
[01:29] <Ububegin> Is it all smooth sailing and Hardy Heron will due for release on April as scheduled.
[01:29] <collusion> anyone know anything about the tpb package?  I think it integrates the thinkpad buttoms, but it conflits with hotkey-setup and ubuntu-desktop :-/
[01:31] <collusion> I was very impressed with the hardy installer; a significant step-up from the last time i remember doing an install ... maybe breezy?
[01:33] <collusion> martalli: oh, the release notes do say that "volume control tools are not yet integrated" (whatever that means).
[01:34] <martalli> Hmmm....Can't remember if they worked or not on my laptop (I only have two machines running hardy right now).  This one has the cheap Dell keyboard (no vol controls)
[01:36] <martalli> Howver, I can bind them to keyboard shirtcuts on this machine with kmix -> Settings -> Configure global shortcuts
[01:37] <martalli> win-up, win-down, win-end (seems to work)
[01:39] <collusion> maybe this is lower priority than getting suspend working.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> ive noticed that ubuntu is like the best disrto ive seen at getting all these xtra keys working properly.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:41] <collusion> Dr_willis: i'm definitely impressed overall with the level of polish.
[01:42] <Dr_willis> collusion,  been testing out some other distros while waiting for the next release.. and yea. ubuntu beats most of them in so many areas
[01:42] <martalli> I'd give mty left nut to get suspend working kubuntu
[01:42] <martalli> ...maybe that's an overstatement =)
[01:43] <m1r> :)
[01:43] <collusion> maybe s3 acpi is still needed. hrm.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> and you start to realize how hated ubuntu is by the other disrto makers.. which is rather pathic of them
[01:43] <m1r> i had to install some extra packages to get suspend and hybernate working on 7.04 , cant recall their names tho
[01:44] <martalli> The better distros don't going around hating each other, and the better smaller ones are commnity efforts not bent on taking over the world (with this release =)
[01:44] <martalli> I think fedora/debian/ubuntu/mandriva have different goals than arch/dsl/vector
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Ive notived a lot of other disrto 'makers' (which always seem to be like 1 person)  getting very hatefull when you question why they made this choice or that.. for somt things..
[01:45] <Dr_willis> So far this month ive tested out mandriva - which had some very neat featrues. and sidux, which had a few neat things.. but not much else that i could see worth  switching to it for.
[01:45] <martalli> Well, sometimes I feel like kubuntu has only one person, too.  Mr Riddell, if you're listening, I hope they give you a few English guys to put under you boot and help yout
[01:46] <Dr_willis> I do see theres a kde4, and a kde3 release of the beta.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> which one should i grab.. :)
[01:46] <m1r> neither ;)
[01:46] <martalli> Dr_willis: kde3 for regular use
[01:46] <collusion> i decided to stick with ubuntu b/c it 95% does exactly what i want and there's a huge community to help me get the last 5% working.
[01:47] <martalli> kde4 is getting better and pretty usable, but if you are using it for any real work, I would stick with kde3 as your base
[01:47] <m1r> collusion: that 5% i would set multi function printer support and modem support ;)
[01:47] <martalli> I am keeping the office on 7.10 for this release probably...I have too many wine configuration headaches to relive if we update to kubuntu 8.04
[01:48] <Dr_willis> i just toy with my machines. No real work.
[01:48] <martalli> Then at least try out the kde4 cd in live mode and see what you think
[01:48] <m1r> Dr_willis: for toying try puppy linux with compiz ;)
[01:48] <numus> gdesklets keeps crashing
[01:49] <martalli> I have this one on kubuntu 8.04 from gutsy, so its kde3 base.  When I use kde4, it is still using kde3 adept and such
[01:49] <Dr_willis> i have several puppylinux  cd;s laying about.. and i dont use compiz  on most of my machiunes.
[01:49] <martalli> I wonder how much of a pure kde4 implementation it is
[01:49] <collusion> mlr: no i just have weird preferences, like using minimalist window managers and such.
[01:49] <Tuv0k> Bug #207482
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207482 in liferea "Latest version (1.4.14-0ubuntu1) crashes on start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207482
[01:49] <Dr_willis> heck. i normally just install fluxbox. and use that + fspanel
[01:49] <collusion> mlr: and sure, suspend working out of the box would be nice.
[01:49] <frank23> martalli: I totally agree with you about kubuntu. It would be great if there were a couple more people working on kubuntu full time
[01:50] <martalli> flux is cool, has anyone used fluxbuntu?  Although I think jwm is the most straightforward minimalist manger, fluxbuntu really runs great on older machine (<300-400mhz)
[01:50] <collusion> martalli: i kept putting off updates from 6.06 and so i'm just taking all the headaches from not having dist-upgraded all the older versions.
[01:51] <collusion> (brb)
[01:51] <m1r> openbox runs great too on old crap pc's
[01:51] <martalli> frank23: I wonder what it would take to convince canonical to put more effort behind kubuntu?
[01:52] <martalli> collusion: 6.06???  You might as well be running debian stable with your update habits =)
[01:52] <m1r> martalli: not all people wanna update system every 6 months ;)
[01:53] <collusion> martalli: i manually built things like pidgin, downloaded swiftfox, and everything else was working fine.
[01:54] <frank23> martalli: I also wonder when the next LTS kubuntu will be. I doubt there will be one which is not also a ubuntu LTS release. So probably only 2 years from now.
[01:54] <martalli> I am starting to agree now that flash and most of the basics "just work".  Since I don't want to reset the wine setup we have, I am leaving our machines at the ofice on gutsy for the time being.  Everyone there is happy enugh with it
[01:54] <collusion> otoh, moving to hardy is like stepping into the future.
[01:55] <martalli> I am not too concerned with the LTS issues, since every 18 month upgrades are OK with me.  IMHO, the LTS is most important for the server edition,
[01:57] <Wamphyri> i have heard two different resposes about sli
[01:57] <Wamphyri> does sli work with x?
[01:57] <Zoris> Help! Pidgin refuses to start up
[01:58] <npurciful> Okay hardy seem to think that i need a link to my unencrypted OS hard drive on my desktop, how do i remove it
[01:59] <Dr_willis> I cant even underatand the LTS stuff.. :) but im not a business.. im just a leet-haxor-home-user
[01:59] <Dr_willis> Thats one of the ways/mentality/methods that ubuntu differs from all the 'other' disrtos ive been testing I guess.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu  seem to take a very 'organized' way of doing over things.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> vs the 'just get it working no matter what'  way of thinking ive seen in other disrtos.
[02:09] <AaronMT> !broadcom
[02:09] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[02:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> 9 minutes, wish me luck
[02:09] <AaronMT> Where can I get the latest brodcome deb package
[02:09] <Kl4m> It seems the latest hardy kernel breaks ipw2200
[02:10] <Kl4m> A bold statement, but it looks like that on my end. When I use 2.6.22-14 instead, my wireless works fine
[02:12] <AaronMT> anyone know
[02:12] <AaronMT> broadcom43xxx
[02:14] <c-ron> anyone know how to disable join & part messages for irc in pidgon?
[02:15] <levander> I think I need to do a 'dpkg-reconfigure' on the linux-image package to get my system to boot again.  Problem is, it won't boot to run that command.  If I boot from the LiveCD, mount my boot and root partitions, then chroot to the boot partition, can I then run dpkg-reconfigure and have it affect the files on my regular system?
[02:16] <AaronMT> Where can I get the latest brodcome deb package
[02:20] <m1r> levander , chose recovery mode on start ?
[02:20] <prometheuss> AaronMT: bcm43xx?
[02:30] <steph_> I have a comment about hardy's menu, is this the right channel?
[02:30] <narg> jriddel recently released a package for qt4.4beta -- can I safely install that on the hardy beta kde4 version without hosing my box?
[02:34] <HardyOne> steph_, comment away
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> so far so good
[02:36] <Zoris> HELP: Pidgin will not start!
[02:36] <anurag> hi everyone
[02:36] <anurag> I need some help for Hardy
[02:36] <prometheuss> HI!!!
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> honestly not seeing any huge differences yet
[02:37] <Zoris> so do I; trying to start pidgin constantly fails. It was working fine earlier today and now it refuses to start
[02:38] <Zoris> great, my music player just freaked out again
[02:38] <anurag> I can't do a clean install of Ubuntu
[02:39] <HardyOne> narg, installing non-ubuntu packages is always a risk
[02:39] <Zoris> "Audio output unavailable; busy"
[02:39] <anurag> I looked everywhere on Ubuntu forums but can't get help
[02:40] <narg> HardyOne: ...he's the official kubuntu guy
[02:40] <mneptok> narg: stick with using what apt/adept offers you
[02:41] <HardyOne> well then narg give it a shot . hardy is a  beta so if you need to do a re-install....
[02:41] <anurag> yes then...
[02:41] <HardyOne> or listen to mneptok he is an official ubuntu guy
[02:42] <mneptok> HardyOne: s/Ubuntu/Canonical/
[02:42]  * mneptok is not an Ubuntu member
[02:42] <HardyOne> mneptok, yes Canonical
[02:42] <mneptok> although i should really rectify that before sabdfl gets cranky
[02:42] <HardyOne> lol
[02:43] <steph_> HardyOne: still there?
[02:43]  * HardyOne thinks he needs to apply for membership
[02:43] <steph_> sorry
[02:43] <HardyOne> yes steph_ whats up?
[02:45] <tritium> mneptok: got on that ;)
[02:45] <steph_> I'm running UbuntuStudio in a art class, and there is some confusion with the sub-menu "video" (under video and sound), and the menu graphism. I think both are visual arts.isn't it?
[02:46] <HardyOne> steph_, I would not know but you can ask in #ubuntustudio I believe
[02:46] <steph_> ok, thanks.
[02:46] <HardyOne> yup thats it
[02:46] <HardyOne> np
[02:47] <mneptok> tritium: i have asked you *repeatedly* not to wear that full-head, latex sabdfl mask in public channels. it *freaks me out*.
[02:47] <tritium> mneptok: haha :)
[02:48] <chowmeined> is wireless broken again?
[02:48] <HardyOne> eww laptop @100% last 1.5 hours only :/
[02:48] <Wamphyri> anyone use sli?
[02:49] <chowmeined> my wireless eventually fails with, 'took too long to associate'
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> looks like hardy's fixed my usb issue.  flash drives seem to read no problem now
[02:50] <jimmygoon> my laptop still crashes half the time I shut down or log out of GDM
[02:50] <jimmygoon> and it crashes HARD. no recovery ability. no Alt+SYSREQ REISUB... nothing
[02:52] <chowmeined> BUSIER
[02:52] <jimmygoon> ?
[02:54] <larson9999> now, aint this new ubuntu all nice and perty!
[02:54] <naught101> yay. stock ubuntu install of openmovieeditor segfaults on start!
[02:54] <naught101> from repos
[02:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm not real thrilled with the power management
[02:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> ondemand apparently feels that full power is always demanded.
[02:55] <HardyOne> something weird is going on. I am able to enter in my password wich contains numbers but when trying to enter numbers in wireless settings manager system beeps and wont let key in the numbers. any ideas
[02:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> is numlock on?
[02:56] <HardyOne> no
[02:56] <sparkyspark> anyone having instability with Firefox 3.x on 8.04 on nearly all webmail apps?
[02:56] <HardyOne> but this is on laptop and never had issue like this before
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:56] <sparkyspark> I moved back to 2.x
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's different then
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> no clue
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparkyspark: gmail and yahoo aren't having any issues
[02:57] <sparkyspark> Daisuke_Laptop, Yahoo newest version?  the web 2.0 version?
[02:58] <poseidon> 1018737
[02:58] <sparkyspark> Daisuke_Laptop, I suppose I could go back to the old version of crappy yahoo
[02:59] <DanaG> Argh, I keep getting hard lockups when under heavy disk+gpu activity.
[03:02] <HorizonXP> hey, here's my problem: I'm on a rez network on campus, with crappy DNS servers that go down all the time. Right now I'm using OpenDNS servers, but it's hardly a good solution because they're slow. I set up bind9 to create a local DNS cache for this precise situation, but it apparently didn't work as I found myself without an Internet connection. My question is, how do I set up bind9 correctly, to act as my primary DNS server that my compu
[03:07] <DanaG> HorizonXP: you can try dnsmasq instead; just disable the dhcp functionality.
[03:08] <HorizonXP> DanaG: yeah, I just found an ubuntugeek article on it, thanks :)
[03:08] <DanaG> My dd-wrt router actually runs dnsmasq; it's quite handy for that bogus-nxdomain thing (unbreaks DNS broken by Charter).
[03:09] <tritium> DanaG: Charter?
[03:10] <DanaG> Yup, they have some stupid SiteFinder-type thingy that makes every invalid domain name resolve to charter.net
[03:10] <DanaG> or rather, www11.charter.net
[03:10] <DanaG> http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[03:11] <AaronMT> How do I manually install the firmware for b43-fwcutter
[03:11] <AaronMT> Since its not showing up in Hardware Drivers
[03:11] <AaronMT> and I tried sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[03:11] <AaronMT> but says alraedy installed
[03:12] <DanaG> dpkg-reconfigure it.
[03:12] <AaronMT> what
[03:12] <DanaG> For some reason, just installing b43-fwcutter doesn't actually make it run.
[03:12] <chowmeined> i knew i shouldnt've upgraded
[03:12] <AaronMT> Its not showing waypoints in network manager
[03:12] <chowmeined> why is wireless broken again?
[03:12] <AaronMT> iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[03:12] <chowmeined> it fails with 'association took too long (>60 s)'
[03:14] <Kebinusan> anyone know an easy way to get a lib32 build of libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so for amd64 hardy
[03:16] <AaronMT> It fetched the firmware but still no wireless waypoints in network manager
[03:17] <DanaG> You may have to wait for the module to pick up on the firmware.
[03:17] <calc> Kebinusan: unpack the i386 deb
[03:17] <calc> Kebinusan: thats the easy way to get any i386 binary for amd64 :)
[03:17] <AaronMT> danag should I reboot
[03:18] <DanaG> Eeh, perhaps just wait a minute, or look in dmesg.
[03:19] <chowmeined> how can i just undo this upgrade?
[03:19] <Kebinusan> thnx calc I'll try that
[03:20] <chowmeined> i just want to use my wireless again, i was under the impression that the whoever fscked things up was fired and the issue was then fixed, but apparently not.. so is there a way i can put the wireless related packages back so it works again?
[03:21] <poseidon> I did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree but youtube videos still don't work, firefox asks me if I want to install missing plug-ins  (I restarted FF after I installed it)
[03:21] <AaronMT> rebooting did nothing
[03:22] <poseidon> AaronMT, was that directed to me?
[03:22] <AaronMT> nah to danag
[03:22] <pestilence> HorizonXP: running a bind9 server resulted in you being disconnected from the net?
[03:24] <DanaG> Hmm, anything about wifi in dmesg?  Don't paste it, just describe it.
[03:24] <AaronMT> what should I grep
[03:25] <AaronMT> ill pastebin
[03:25] <pestilence> HorizonXP: i don't think dnsmasq is what you are looking for.
[03:25] <Zoris>  does anyone know where I can download the drivers for the Canon iP1600 printer?
[03:25] <HorizonXP> ahh pestilence
[03:25] <HorizonXP> I ran the bind9 server like you said
[03:26] <pestilence> HorizonXP: so what didn't work?
[03:26] <HorizonXP> but when my reznet dns server went down again, I still had the same problem
[03:26] <HorizonXP> meaning my computer was configured properly
[03:26] <AaronMT> Danag: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:26] <pestilence> HorizonXP: do you have the reznet dns servers in either /etc/resolv.conf or named.conf.options?
[03:26] <AaronMT> woops http://pastebin.ca/959087
[03:26] <HorizonXP> they're under resolv.conf, under the domain for my university
[03:27] <HorizonXP> and I had it in named.conf.options as well
[03:27] <pestilence> HorizonXP: resolv.conf should refer to 127.0.0.1, not their servers
[03:27] <pestilence> HorizonXP: if your server isn't in resolv.conf, you aren't using your own namesever.
[03:27] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't even see anything about b43 under that pastebin.
[03:27] <pestilence> HorizonXP: and if their servers are that flaky, you should probably remove them from named.conf.options as well
[03:27] <prometheuss> apt-get install b43
[03:28] <prometheuss> and follow instructions
[03:28] <AaronMT> It says its already installed prometheeuss and danag
[03:28] <HorizonXP> pestilence: in named.conf.options, forwarders = DNS servers I want to use, correct?
[03:28] <AaronMT> I do apt-remove and apt-get again, it fetchs the firmware and nothing still
[03:28] <poseidon> Any suggestions as to why flash isn't working?
[03:29] <oxigen> we want cinepaint in repository!
[03:29] <DanaG> b43 is a package?
[03:29] <DanaG> b43 is a module -- try modprobe'ing it.
[03:29] <oxigen> we = i :)
[03:29] <AaronMT> no its b43-fwcutter
[03:29] <AaronMT> modprobe?
[03:29] <DanaG> Yeah, to load the module.  You have to 'sudo' it.
[03:30] <prometheuss> #  modprobe b43
[03:30] <pestilence> HorizonXP: no, you don't want any dependence on their servers, correct?
[03:30] <pestilence> HorizonXP: bind9 should run without the forwarders section just fine
[03:31] <AaronMT> sudo modprobe b43 does nothing
[03:31] <HorizonXP> pestilence: So leave those blank?
[03:31] <HorizonXP> pestilence: What do I change in that file then?
[03:31] <pestilence> HorizonXP: comment the entire block out
[03:31] <DanaG> go 'dmesg' now -- see if anything new is there.
[03:32] <HorizonXP> pestilence: ok done
[03:32] <HorizonXP> pestilence: now I edit resolv.conf?
[03:32] <pestilence> HorizonXP: yes.
[03:33] <prometheuss> b43 is a package and a module
[03:33] <pestilence> HorizonXP: although, if you get your ip via dhcp, this will probably be overwritten every time you renew your address
[03:33] <HorizonXP> pestilence: I do get my IP by DHCP
[03:33] <pestilence> HorizonXP: so you will have to find a more permanent solution.
[03:33] <pestilence> HorizonXP: well, see if it works first :)
[03:34]  * c-ron is drinking: I (heart) you ubuntu community :)
[03:34] <DanaG> yo: prepend-dns-servers
[03:34] <DanaG> Don't forget that thing.
[03:34] <DanaG> er
[03:34] <DanaG> prepend-domain-name-servers (or something like that) in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[03:35] <HorizonXP> yeah
[03:35] <HorizonXP> I still have that in there
[03:35] <pestilence> so, from a command prompt, type "dig www.google.com"
[03:35] <pestilence> it will tell you what nameserver you are using
[03:35] <HorizonXP> 121 ms
[03:36] <HorizonXP> it's using 127.0.0.1
[03:36] <pestilence> guess it works
[03:36] <HorizonXP> ran it a second time, 0 ms
[03:36] <pestilence> yea, because it is caching
[03:36] <HorizonXP> ok
[03:36] <AaronMT> prometheuss and danag: http://pastebin.ca/959096
[03:36] <HorizonXP> I'm gonna unplug my ethernet cable
[03:36] <HorizonXP> see if it comes back up ok
[03:36] <HorizonXP> hopefully brb
[03:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I still don't see anything about b43.
[03:37] <DanaG> Try this:
[03:37] <DanaG> sudo modprobe -rv b43
[03:37] <DanaG> sudo modprobe -v b43
[03:37] <DanaG> (unloads and loads, both with "verbose")
[03:37] <HorizonXP> hey?
[03:37] <pestilence> yes/
[03:37] <HorizonXP> ok good
[03:38] <pestilence> worked?
[03:38] <HorizonXP> so looking at resolv.conf, I have 3 dns servers
[03:38] <HorizonXP> 127.0.0.1, and then the 2 from my reznet
[03:38] <pestilence> as long as 127.0.0.1 is first, you are golden
[03:38] <HorizonXP> pestilence: ok, now.... what happens if these DNS servers go down?
[03:39] <HorizonXP> pestilence: how about I simulate that by removing them
[03:39] <AaronMT> DanaG: http://pastebin.ca/959098
[03:39] <c-ron> is /etc/rc.local the easiest way to autostart a program?
[03:39] <pestilence> HorizonXP: it won't affect you; you aren't using them anymore
[03:39] <DanaG> Hmm, b43 is loaded now; anything in dmesg?
[03:40] <pestilence> HorizonXP: you can remove them from /etc/resolv.conf
[03:40] <HorizonXP> pestilence: so I connect to bind9, bind9 connects to a bunch of global root DNS servers?
[03:40] <pestilence> right
[03:40] <HorizonXP> schweeeeeeeeet
[03:40] <Zoris>  does anyone know where I can download the drivers for the Canon iP1600 printer
[03:40] <HorizonXP> pestilence: I can't permanently remove them since my DHCP server provides them to me automatically
[03:41] <HorizonXP> however, DanaG's tip to edit that dhcp3.conf ensures that 127.0.0.1 is prepended to any DNS servers DHCP assigns to me
[03:41] <pestilence> HorizonXP: as long as 127.0.0.1 is prepended to the list, you won't use their servers
[03:41] <AaronMT> DanaG (dmesg): http://pastebin.ca/959098
[03:41] <HorizonXP> awesome awesome awesome
[03:41] <HorizonXP> I love it
[03:41] <HorizonXP> WOOOO!
[03:41] <pestilence> i can't believe their servers are that flaky
[03:41] <pestilence> how large is this university?
[03:41] <HorizonXP> every
[03:41] <HorizonXP> single
[03:41] <HorizonXP> day
[03:41] <HorizonXP> they go down
[03:42] <HorizonXP> um..... almost 30000 students
[03:42] <pestilence> WOW
[03:42] <HorizonXP> to be fair, I think it's limited to the residences
[03:42] <HorizonXP> but still
[03:42] <HorizonXP> yeah
[03:42] <pestilence> somebody should be fired :)
[03:42] <HorizonXP> I'm gonna write a letter to my paper
[03:42] <HorizonXP> I don't care that much, it's my last term
[03:42] <HorizonXP> but still
[03:42]  * tritium sees an entire console of HorizonXP comments...
[03:42] <tritium> !enter
[03:42] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:42] <AaronMT> Why is this so hard to start B43-fwcutter
[03:42] <DanaG> University residential networking must universally suck.  I hear people at my school (Cal Poly) also talk about brokenness.
[03:42] <AaronMT> I dont see anything in dmesg
[03:42]  * HorizonXP is sorry. he's used to IM style of chatting.
[03:43] <DanaG> That's really odd... perhaps the device id isn't matched.
[03:43] <tritium> HorizonXP: no worries.  At least it's not in #ubuntu :)
[03:43] <DanaG> Try 'sudo modprobe -v b43-legacy'
[03:43] <DanaG> er, no dash.
[03:43] <DanaG> I mean, b43legacy
[03:44] <AaronMT> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy/b43legacy.ko
[03:45] <AaronMT> new mesg?
[03:45] <DanaG> Yeah, anything new in dmesg?
[03:46] <AaronMT> http://pastebin.ca/959105
[03:46] <DanaG> Nothing new?  That's really odd.
[03:47] <DanaG> Hmm, there's one more module to try: the old bcm43xx  (which has a different fwcutter package)
[03:47] <keithclark> Woohoo!, successful upgrade today and all is well!  Absolutely no issues so far.  Nicely done!
[03:47] <AaronMT> how do I go about installing
[03:47] <DanaG> Or perhaps you need to unload the b43 and b43legacy and reload the b43legacy
[03:47] <AaronMT> what
[03:48] <DanaG> Unload (modprobe -r) both b43 and b43legacy, and then load b43legacy again.  If that doesn't do anything different, then unload b43legacy and try loading bcm43xx.
[03:50] <AaronMT> This is with unloading b43 and b43legacy and (modprobe -v'ing b43legacy) -> http://pastebin.ca/959107
[03:51] <AaronMT> no luck
[03:51] <DanaG> There's seriously nothing new there?  That's really odd.  Are you sure you have a broadcom device?
[03:51] <DanaG> It's even stranger that it didn't at least say "driver loading" or such.
[03:52] <DanaG> For example, I have iwl3945 for my Intel card already loaded, but loading bcm43xx gives this:
[03:52] <DanaG> [ 3527.155811] bcm43xx driver
[03:52] <DanaG> (just the one line.)
[03:52] <DanaG> Er, there are a couple of others about iee80211, actually.
[03:53] <AaronMT> lspci: 05:01.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)
[03:53] <clinton> I'd like to get compiz w/ fusion-icon to use XFCE4's window decorator, is this possible?
[03:53] <DanaG> Aah.  The fact that none of those drivers even prints the "I've loaded" message seems very odd.
[03:54] <ryanov> Is there some way I can leave a message for someone who comes in here sometimes?
[03:54] <DanaG> I actually don't know what to do about that lack of loading message.
[03:55] <AaronMT> what about modprobe bcm43xx
[03:56] <DanaG> None of the pastes of dmesg showed anything about any of the drivers.  Are you re-showing dmesg every time?
[03:56] <DanaG> If so, and the drivers aren't printing "hello"-type messages, then something is seriously strange.
[03:57] <AaronMT> yeah I was pasting a new dmesg every time
[03:59] <DanaG> That's Just Plain Screwed Up.  (yes, odd capitalization on purpose.)
[03:59] <DanaG> Unfortunately, I don't know where to go from there.
[04:00] <AaronMT> ill try again tomorrow
[04:00] <AaronMT> Thanks for the help
[04:01] <HorizonXP> hey pestilence: any other cool things I can do to speed up my connection?
[04:14] <travist120> Hello
[04:15] <travist120> Anybody know how to fix ati? I tried using different tools and such to get dual monitor on Hardy, but now I'm stuck with 1 monitor and 800x600 screen.
[04:16] <tcpdumpgod> travist120, try setting HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf
[04:17] <RAOF> tcpdumpgod: That's actually not necessarily a good idea now; the autodetect is often annoyed with you if you manually specify values that are wrong.
[04:17] <tcpdumpgod> Ah.
[04:17] <tcpdumpgod> No wonder my machine is acting up.
[04:17] <tcpdumpgod> Well, mine are correct.
[04:17] <travist120> heh
[04:17] <tcpdumpgod> But, I had them wrong at one point.
[04:18] <RAOF> travist120: I'd suggest starting with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup".
[04:18] <RAOF> Restart X, and hit System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.
[04:18] <travist120> Allright, I will try that, thank you
[04:19] <RAOF> travist120: Note that dual-head is almost certianly going to break compiz for you.
[04:19] <RAOF> (Because your maximum texture size is too small)
[04:19] <travist120> And does any one know if their wacom drawing tablets work properly? @RAOF, yeah I do understand that, ATI has always given me problems
[04:20] <travist120> My wacom tablet wants to work like a mouse, instead of a stylus and eraser
[04:21] <RAOF> travist120: Ah.  You may have to actually _have_ an xorg.conf, and specify watcom stuff manually.
[04:22] <travist120> Oh great
[04:22] <travist120> Well, I'll go look in google for that
[04:22] <pestilence> HorizonXP: you could do things like run a web cache, but if you aren't really having problems then i wouldn't do that
[04:28] <fotofl0> hey, ive got two questions: one, ive just tried joining #ubuntu, but apperently my address is banned
[04:28] <fotofl0> is that because im in china?
[04:28] <nickrud> fotofl0 ask about it in #ubuntu-ops
[04:28] <fotofl0> two: ive got a fully funcitonal ubuntu 6.06 server running on a headless machine... can i use X windows on it from a remote machine?
[04:28] <fotofl0> k
[04:32] <Flannel> fotofl0: yes, but you'll need to install the X programs on your server (obviously) with an X client as well.
[04:33] <fotoflo> of course
[04:33]  * DanaG uses dnsmasq for the sake of bogus-nxdomain ability.
[04:47] <cyclonut> does anyone know how to make pidgin flash the chat window on new message?
[04:50] <oxigen> should i remove obsolete packages gcc-3.4-base?
[04:50]  * oxigen is scared of gcc issues
[04:51]  * cyclonut is scared of a lot of issues
[04:51] <oxigen> :)
[04:51] <oxigen> but this one is really scary!
[04:51] <oxigen> is this save to remove?
[04:51] <oxigen> anyone?
[04:52] <oxigen> *safe
[04:52] <Lynoure> oxigen: it's not even in minimal
[04:52] <secret901> I just installed Hardy and the sound stopped working
[04:53] <oxigen> Lynoure: sorry, what do you mean by that?
[04:53] <Lynoure> oxigen: Unless you have stuff that compiles itself on its own, not that much to worry about, me thinks (but this is pre-breakfast)
[04:53] <secret901> how do I fix the sound problem? the error message is:
[04:53] <oxigen> :) ok
[04:53] <secret901> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[04:54] <Lynoure> oxigen: it's not in minimal install. If it causes problems being gone, you can apt-get install it back, but unlikely to case problems to anything happening on its own
[04:55] <oxigen> Lynoure: ok, thanks. removed. will you help me if i run into some problems because of it? :)
[04:56] <Lynoure> oxigen: I'm not awake here 24/7, but I can tell you for first aid that if you have a problem, you can do sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4-base again :)
[04:56] <oxigen> ok :)
[05:00] <oxigen> but really, why isn't cinepaint in repository?
[05:01] <oxigen> no fans enough?
[05:01] <oxigen> & no pro users enough? :P
[05:01] <adelie42> Since update last night, and a lot of tweaking later, I discovered grub no longer works if any USB devices are plugged in at startup.
[05:01] <adelie42> oxigen: Possibly licencing issues
[05:01] <secret901> does anyone have problems with the new sound system in Hardy?  My sound stopped working
[05:01] <oxigen> ah!
[05:02] <adelie42> There are some FOSS projects that require you to download only off their site, like SMB
[05:03] <ether_c> Hi, I've searched quite a bit online for a solution to this problem but found nothing. I have an NTFS external usb hard drive. When I plug it in, nautilus pops up a window and it seems like it is mounted, but I don't see the files on it.
[05:04] <adelie42> ether_c: does it show up in System Manager
[05:04] <ether_c> yes
[05:05] <adelie42> ether_c: have you tried browsing it other than from naitilus? like from a terminal?
[05:05] <ether_c> adelie42: I have tried browsing it from the terminal
[05:05] <ether_c> and it does work
[05:05] <ether_c> I can copy files from it
[05:05] <ether_c> but the permissions are all messed up
[05:05] <ether_c> like.. all 777 or something
[05:06] <ether_c> also, when I do an "ls" on the media dir
[05:06] <adelie42> ether_c: well, 777 would only be a security issue, not a restriction
[05:06] <ether_c> that drive is highlighted in green
[05:06] <ether_c> yes, but it would be a huge hassle to go and manually chmod every file
[05:07] <adelie42> ether_c: can you browse as root?
[05:07] <secret901> sound stopped working on my laptop after upgrading to Hardy.  Do I have to do anything to get it working again?
[05:07] <ether_c> adelie42: yes
[05:07] <Lynoure> adelie42: what kind of FOSS licence allows that kind of limitation (download only from one site)?
[05:07] <ether_c> oh, you mean in nautilus?
[05:07] <adelie42> ether_c: no, but that is a better idea
[05:08] <adelie42> Lynoure: well most immediately modified MIT or BSD style liscence would allow it
[05:08] <Griswold> adelie42, Samba uses GPL
[05:08] <DanaG> Why the heck is PulseAudio included by default, if none of the things that make it truly cool are installed by default?
[05:09] <Griswold> Which implies you can download it from anywhere.
[05:09] <Lynoure> adelie42: I just cannot wrap my mind on something like that be considered free as it effectively stops distribution of any kind, modified or not
[05:09] <Griswold> As an example, I my package manger downloaded it off distro mirrors.
[05:09] <adelie42> Griswold: sorry, SMB = Super Mario Brothers
[05:09] <Griswold> Oh
[05:10] <adelie42> Lynoure: well, BSD is technically a FOSS liscence
[05:10] <Griswold> Where is this SMB project website?
[05:10] <Lynoure> adelie42: yes, but as far as I know, it does not allow such limit. Maybe I need to real closer.
[05:10] <Lynoure> s/real/read/
[05:11] <Lynoure> adelie42: you can make stuff non-free, but at that point that version is no longer FOSS
[05:12] <Griswold> adelie42, BSD licenses allow you to redistribute
[05:12] <adelie42> Griswold: he he, I can't seem to find it...
[05:13] <Griswold> 1. Free Redistribution:  The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.
[05:13] <Griswold> http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
[05:14] <Griswold> adelie42, *By definition* if a license forces you to only download from a specific server or set of servers, it is *not* an OSS license.
[05:15] <Griswold> I can find a similar link from the FSF on "Free Software" licenses also, I am sure.
[05:15] <Griswold> And since it is then neither Free nor OSS, it is most certainly not FOSS with such a restriction, regardless of what the authors may think.
[05:15] <adelie42> ok, I think I may just be crazy. well, it was smc I was thinking of, and their site has the same version as repo, so...
[05:16] <adelie42> grr... cinepaint is in the repo, so...
[05:16] <fr500_> hi
[05:17] <fr500_> in hardy totem has some fancy dvd menu menus...but they don't do anything, or it's just me?
[05:17] <Lynoure> adelie42: no worries, it happens
[05:17] <Wiseguy> hey guys, ive never used a +1 version before so im just curious if once i install hardy if the full version is able to be obtained by just updating/installing that packages that are add/modified or if i have to go through the whole version updating process?
[05:17] <fr500_> Wiseguy: full version will be available for you as normal updates
[05:17] <adelie42> fr500_: I only play encrypted  menu'd dvds from vlc
[05:18] <Wiseguy> fr500_, cool thanks
[05:18] <fr500_> i think beta=feature freeze Wiseguy
[05:18] <JohnPhys> Wiseguy: just keep updating through the update manager, and you'll have it from the normal updates
[05:18] <fr500_> adelie42: can you see in totem if the new menus work?
[05:19] <adelie42> JohnPhys: Wiseguy: I think what he is talking about is the big edgy to fiesty bug...
[05:19] <adelie42> fr500_: the program menus, or the content on dvd memus
[05:19] <adelie42> ?
[05:20] <fr500_> program menus for dvd menus
[05:20] <Wiseguy> adelie42, yeah, i think you are right... ive never done the version updating thing... ive only ever done fresh installs, but i do remember there being an issue in the past with that process
[05:20] <adelie42> JohnPhys: Wiseguy: There is astill the "bug" that if certain default config files are modified, your old config may stop working, but only as a gutsy to hardy beta to hardy possible issue
[05:21] <DanaG> aRGH, FOR soME REASON viRTUALBOX keEPS SCREWING up MY CAPS locK KEY.
[05:21] <DanaG> (it's acting like it's stuck down in the VM.)
[05:21] <DanaG> Yet, it's fine in the host.
[05:21] <Wiseguy> i am doing a fresh install from the 8.04 iso anyways, as i am unable to install 7.10 on my laptop due to strange video issues
[05:22] <Wiseguy> im hoping the same thing doesnt happen with hardy
[05:22] <adelie42> Wiseguy: because hardy final update will be looking for old gutsy configs to update, not modified hardy beta configs
[05:23] <Lynoure> Wiseguy: if it does, make sure it's reported as a bug
[05:23] <Lynoure> One can usually merge configs manually if really necessary. or just override with default new one.
[05:24] <Wiseguy> Lynoure, i will... the strange part is im not using any exotic hardware really... i have in i810 chipset with inegrated intel video..
[05:24] <adelie42> they fixed the "bug" between fiesty to gutsy upgrade for configs, but that is too much unnecessary work for a beta version, which is part of the reason they bassically say "don't upgrade till the release day". they want to work on real bugs, not ones that will fix themselves for normal users. beta testers take on that risk
[05:25] <adelie42> Lynoure: well, what I have done is that if certain packages break (so often Xserver in the past) just dpkg --reconfigure packagename
[05:26] <DanaG> Argh, my ctrl key in my VM is stuck!
[05:26] <DanaG> AAargh!
[05:26] <adelie42> Lynoure: that is often the universal "something broke SUDDENLY and don't know what"
[05:26] <Lynoure> adelie42: I'm usually quite thorough with cases where I have modified configs, so I diff and merge myself.
[05:27] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  You certainly seem to test a lot, if only indicated by the amount of things you run in to
[05:27] <DanaG> I'm one of those people who likes to do this:
[05:28] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  same here, but you seem to be one of the unlucky ones :)
[05:28] <DanaG> Oooooh, what happens if I do THIS?   (goes and sets car to have long springs, low spring k, and medium damping coefficient)
[05:28] <DanaG> Or hey, set air friction to negative... that's fun (game is C&C Renegade, or now Red Alert: A Path Beyond).
[05:29] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  Fun, but unphysical :)
[05:29] <RAOF> Negitive friction.  Cool :)
[05:30] <DanaG> That is a bit off-topic, but it is oh so fun tweaking vehicle physics.
[05:30] <JohnPhys> Speaking of, I need to get back to grading exams
[05:30] <JohnPhys> :)
[05:32] <pen> is there a way to find the screen model?
[05:37] <Lunks> Is someone here using Hardy x64?
[05:38] <pen> another question for HP laptops with Geforce 8400M GS, my compiz fusion animation is slow and laggy compare to my old ASUS laptop which has Geforce Go 7600
[05:38] <pen> why?
[05:40]  * Lunks feels sad about pen's 'old' laptop and cries on his 'new' laptop
[05:40] <pen> Lunks: what do you have?
[05:41] <Lunks> A 'new' laptop with a Geforce 6150. :P
[05:41] <Lunks> I bought it two months ago.
[05:47] <gaminggeek> anyone else here running epiphany?
[05:48] <DanaG> Hmm, random topic and interesting insight:
[05:48] <DanaG> Apparently Hitachi's Feature Tool can essentially permanently set the APM setting of the hard drive.
[05:48] <gaminggeek> if there is anyone running ephany is printing working for you
[05:49] <gaminggeek> epiphany-browser: /build/buildd/cairo-1.5.14/src/cairo-ps-surface.c:2972: _cairo_ps_surface_fill: Assertion `_cairo_ps_surface_operation_supported (surface, op, source)' failed. Aborted (core dumped)
[05:49] <gaminggeek> I get that when I try to print
[05:49] <gaminggeek> is this a knowen bug?
[05:53] <Andre_Gondim> apturl does not work with ff3, is there any tips for this?
[05:54] <Lunks> Andre_Gondim: I noticed it too. :)
[05:54] <Andre_Gondim> Lunks, =]
[05:55] <Lunks> I'm not getting any sound from flash videos on Firefox.
[05:56] <Lunks> No idea why, really.
[05:56] <RAOF> Because flash sucks, generally.
[05:56] <Lunks> RAOF: it's not sucking that much on ie6 with wine. ;P
[05:57] <Lunks> I mean
[05:57] <Lunks> On Vbox
[05:57] <Lunks> hehe
[05:57] <RAOF> In particular, because flash abuses ALSA, and so doesn't work with pulseaudio.
[05:57] <Lunks> Never know where I'm running windows. ;P
[05:57] <DanaG> vbox is b0rked for me: it gets keys stuck down.
[05:57] <DanaG> And I'm using the fixed X server.  And the VM is Windows.
[05:58] <bluefoxx> ok, i did some cable cleanup in my computer[modified all the wider ribbon cables to increase airflow dropping CPU tempurature another 10 degres] and when i booted up again i could connect to the internet. after this i reset some network settings and now i can get most apps to connect[msn, firefox, xchat] but aptitude still wont, i get "bluefoxx@azUre-prIDE:~$ sudo apt-get install hardinfo | sudo: unable to resolve host azUre-prID
[05:58] <bluefoxx> E" still. any reason?
[05:58] <Lunks> what do you mean by keys stuck down?
[05:58] <RAOF> DanaG: Does it work using the not-fixed X server?
[05:58] <Lunks> RAOF: but ubuntu allows me to use alsa and pulseaudio, right?
[05:58] <DanaG> I'll have to try it later.
[05:58] <Lunks> I don't get this pulseaudio stuff, really.
[05:58] <DanaG> Oh, and this is with compiz not running.
[05:59] <Lunks> what do you mean by keys stuck down, DanaG?
[05:59] <DanaG> argh, ctrl is stuck in the VM.
[05:59] <RAOF> Lunks: Yes.  But you can't pipe flash -> ALSA -> Pulseaudio, becuase flash does stupid things that pulse doesn't support.
[06:00] <bluefoxx> DanaG: i keep getting that, keys getting stuck. even ruins reisub on my machine.
[06:00] <DanaG> SAK still worked for me even under stuck keys.
[06:00] <bluefoxx> SAK?
[06:01] <RAOF> Sysreq Alt Kill.
[06:01] <Andre_Gondim> Lunks, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/203538
[06:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203538 in apturl "Don't work with Firefox3 beta4" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:01] <RAOF> AKA: killswitch.
[06:01] <pen> I don't understand why screen refresh rate is 50 in ubuntu but 60 in vista?
[06:01] <DanaG> alt-sysrq-k  -- kernel-level kill of everything on the TTY.
[06:02] <pen> does ubuntu use a different kind of scaling?
[06:02] <RAOF> pen: Because nvidia sucks.
[06:02] <bluefoxx> DanaG: ah, that wil be helpfull..
[06:02]  * ethana2 runs updates
[06:02] <DanaG> It works even when ctrl-alt-backspace is broken.
[06:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[06:02] <RAOF> pen: The nvidia driver deliberately mis-reports the refresh rate (unless you set DynamicTwinview to false in xorg.conf, or something).
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Triaged]
[06:02] <pen> RAOF: you mean it's because faulty nvidia driver?
[06:03] <RAOF> pen: Precisely.
[06:03] <DanaG> That's one reason I'm going ATI next time, EVEN if it's currently worse!
[06:03] <jbwiv_> guys, I just upgraded a vanilla install of Gutsy to Hardy, and now *none* of my sound cards, onboard or PCI, are recognized. I use a PCI SBLive Value as my primary card. Anyone else having this problem?
[06:03] <Lunks> RAOF: I don't think I can get technical, but I can change mplayer to alsa and it works, why can't flash use alsa? =P
[06:03] <DanaG> I'm sick of nvidia, and at least ATI will be open-source crappy (for a while) instead of closed-source rappy.
[06:03] <RAOF> pen: Well, not faulty as such.  The nvidia driver is working as designed.  It's just designed stupidly.
[06:03] <DanaG> s/rap/you get it/
[06:03] <pen> RAOF: I see
[06:03] <bluefoxx> DanaG: it usualy hapens while im running WINE playing HL2 and the 'w' gets stuck, causing a system bel and compiz title wave, turning quickly into a forkbomb of sorts and preventing alt+sysrq+anything or CAB
[06:04] <DanaG> Look on the bug report for a fixed Xorg.
[06:04] <RAOF> Lunks: I'm not sure how we're handling it by default, but you're probably using the pulseaudio ALSA plugin.  Which routes all ALSA stuff through pulseaudio.
[06:04] <DanaG> Why are all the cool things not installed for pulse by default?
[06:05] <Lunks> RAOF: lol i'd never think of it! =P
[06:05] <RAOF> Lunks: Except that flash tries to open every possible channel, and doesn't stop, so it tries to open 64 channels, at which point pulse denies it any further channels.  And flash doesn't output sound.
[06:06] <Lunks> I thought ALSA was sound kernel driver. ;P
[06:06] <Lunks> and pulse audio just a 'sound framework'
[06:06] <Lunks> or smth like it
[06:06] <Lunks> so you couldn't really use 'alsa plugin for pulseaudio'
[06:07] <bluefoxx> i think my net got screwed up cause i bought my router from the flea market for $15 and it came with no cables or documentation[though i could have gotten them it would have been $50], thus i made a power adaptor out of a USB cable and hoked it up to my main box. this is the one i was working on and when i was messing around in the case i turned it off at the PSU on the back... so the router lost power...
[06:07] <JohnPhys> pen:  if you set the refresh to the *actual* refresh rate (probably 60, you can check in nvidia settings) in the general part of the compiz settings manager, it helps with video tearing and such
[06:07] <RAOF> Lunks: That's right.  But ALSA is pluggable, so you can and do have an ALSA plugin that routes the default ALSA device through pulseaudio (which then uses ALSA to acutally output sound).
[06:07] <pen> JohnPhys: really?
[06:08] <pen> JohnPhys: but for me setting the rate to 60 helps speed up animation
[06:09] <oxigen> anyone knows what is Oyranos? and whyt to install to get it?
[06:09] <DanaG> Argh, for some reason, my Fedora VM isn't getting ANY keyboard input now.
[06:09] <pen> JohnPhys: it's very slow and laggy with 8series card
[06:10] <Lunks> RAOF: so it's like ALSA->pulseaudio->ALSA
[06:10] <RAOF> Lunks: Exactly
[06:11] <Lunks> RAOF: i thought it was like this, but then it sounded silly. :P
[06:11] <DanaG> I love the time-varying wallpaper in Fedora 8 (in my VM).  Why doesn't Ubuntu do something like that?  It's quite a wonderful touch.
[06:11] <Lunks> DanaG: isn't this from macosx?
[06:11] <Lunks> DanaG: you seem like you've got some juicy stuff for pulseaudio, where is it?
[06:11] <Lunks> I don't even know what it does. ;P
[06:12] <DanaG> padevchooser is a GUI thingy.
[06:12] <DanaG> Why the heck are none of the truly useful utilities installed by default?  It makes no sense!
[06:13] <DanaG> PulseAudio is almost worse than pointless without them.
[06:14] <RAOF> DanaG: Some of it is because that would require promoting the tools to main, which requires a lot more security/code/maintainership auditing.
[06:14] <DanaG> Hmm, then why are they including the actual daemon by default?
[06:14] <DanaG> It makes no sense to me.
[06:14] <JohnPhys> pen:  soryr, I don't know anything about the rendering actually being slow
[06:14] <DanaG> It just causes headaches with no gain.
[06:15] <RAOF> DanaG: Also, the tools are _ugly_.
[06:15] <Lunks> what's pulseaudio, then? =P
[06:15] <voidmage> all i've seen nifty about pulseaudio is able to control each app's volume
[06:15] <voidmage> which is pretty nifty, actually
[06:15] <RAOF> And being able to pipe sounds across the network _easily_.
[06:15] <voidmage> never tried that before
[06:16] <RAOF> And combining soundcards ;).
[06:16] <voidmage> or that
[06:16] <voidmage> but it sounds neat
[06:16] <voidmage> i did notice older alsa/oss apps run strangely under pulseaudio
[06:16] <voidmage> have to invoke pasuspender on them
[06:16] <voidmage> then i noticed a few of them have settings to use esd
[06:16] <voidmage> and now they use pulse
[06:17] <DanaG> PulseAudio also won't do surround sound, at least for me.
[06:17] <voidmage> i have a 2.1 setup and it seems to work okay
[06:18] <voidmage> probably because it's 2.1 the speakers control my woofer
[06:19] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/151
[06:19] <DanaG> " PA perfectly supports surround sound these days and does a simple but automatic up and downmixing. Closing this bug. "
[06:19] <DanaG> Bull.  ****.
[06:20] <DanaG> It doesn't support surround at all (at least, not automatically) on my Audigy2!
[06:20] <DanaG> Not at all!
[06:20] <DanaG> That's "Perfectly  ?"
[06:22] <DanaG> Isn't it a bit presumptive to say that something is "Perfect" ?
[06:24] <gluer> finally got off my compaq nx6320 laptop and onto my asus fj3, no more hardy hardware problems
[06:24] <gluer> :-)
[06:25] <DanaG> I think the next laptop I get will be an HP 8510p.
[06:25] <Lunks> The next laptop I got has only 2 usbs. =~
[06:26] <Blown-Upp> I'm having issues with the wubi.exe installation
[06:26] <Lunks> And this pen guy just make fun of it  ;P
[06:26] <Lunks> I mean, his older laptop is better than mine.
[06:26] <Lunks> And it's just 2 months older. =~
[06:26] <Lunks> old*
[06:26] <Blown-Upp> it downloads the necesary files from the server, reboots fine and shows the loading screen. I choose normal install and it brings me to a busybox prompt
[06:26] <DanaG> At least it doesn't have just one.
[06:27] <ere4si> Blown-Upp: I just got that - you should have another kernel to boot into - generic s the one that worked for me
[06:27] <ere4si> *is
[06:28] <Blown-Upp> do I do that from busybox or the installation select screen
[06:29] <ere4si> Blown-Upp: I couldn't do much at all from busybox - chose the diff kernel at grub
[06:29] <Blown-Upp> ok
[06:30] <ere4si> Blown-Upp: was it the 386 kernel you tried to boot into?
[06:31] <Blown-Upp> yessir
[06:31] <ere4si> Blown-Upp: same here
[06:31] <Blown-Upp> and how would I go about chosing a different kernel at grub
[06:32] <ere4si> Blown-Upp: there should be an option to press e at boot - you have to be quick - it is after your bios screen
[06:32] <Blown-Upp> ok
[06:32] <Blown-Upp> i'll give it a shot
[06:32] <Blown-Upp> thanks
[06:32] <ere4si> k
[06:34] <tcpdumpgod> cellofellow, what is Catfish written in?
[06:38] <Jurgentje> Hi... I installed the latest beta of Kubuntu 8.04 and don't have sound... anyone who could lend me a hand? (I didn't have troubles in Kubuntu 7.10)
[06:40] <ere4si> Jurgentje: did you have to take steps in 7.10 to get sound?
[06:40] <Jurgentje> nope.
[06:40] <Jurgentje> I do have 2 soundcards (1 onboard and 1 Creative Labs Audigy)
[06:40] <Jurgentje> neither one works actually.
[06:41] <Jurgentje> under 7.10 - both worked (didn't mind both of them working - I only used 1)
[06:41] <Jurgentje> system does find the cards (both)
[06:41] <ere4si> Jurgentje: and the right output channel is selected in kmix?
[06:41] <Jurgentje> I tried them both in kmix
[06:42] <Jurgentje> (I can choose a main card)
[06:42] <Jurgentje> and output on both is enabled.
[06:43] <Jurgentje> if I play sound, there's no error - so it's not the demux that's wrong...
[06:45] <ere4si> Jurgentje: see if this helps - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=463159
[06:47] <DanaG> Heh, for me, that toggle does literally nothing.
[06:51] <ere4si> I got six kernels to choose from at boot after the upgrade - started with two - is this expected?
[06:53] <Jurgentje> ere4si: yeah... it's quite annoying. with every kernel upgrade, a boot option is added
[06:53] <ere4si> I got two extra generic kernels - same version number
[06:55] <Jurgentje> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/10/17/remove-ubuntu-kernels-you-dont-need/ ... could this help?
[06:56] <secret901> my audio stopped working; does anyone know I can get it working again?
[06:56] <Jurgentje> sigh... I guess this is the $1.000.000 at the moment :p
[06:56] <Jurgentje> I'm here for the same reason... and the same is going on on the #kubuntu channel
[06:57] <ere4si> Jurgentje: ahh well when hardy is released I'll do a reinstall so it isn't an issue - just that one didn't work and another was duplicated
[06:57] <Jurgentje> btw... sound isn't solved with that posting at the forums... :/
[06:58] <ere4si> Jurgentje: disabling the onboard in bios didn't help?
[06:58] <secret901> what changes to the sound system did Hardy make? I don't see any difference besides it not working
[06:59] <Jurgentje> ere4si: I can't disable it in bios... already tried that. The option is not available
[06:59] <ere4si> k
[06:59] <ere4si> Jurgentje: and pcm was turned up?
[06:59] <Jurgentje> maybe I could try picking out my Creative card
[06:59] <Jurgentje> pcm turned up? (what do you mean by that?)
[06:59] <secret901> I noticed that the LED light for my wifi card stopped blinking in Hardy
[06:59] <Jurgentje> ahjea
[07:00] <Jurgentje> off course
[07:00] <Jurgentje> yes, it is
[07:00] <ere4si> k :)
[07:00] <DanaG> Ugh, virtualbox's idea of snapshots seems broken.
[07:01] <vega--> how do i make the gnome calendar start the week on monday, not sunday as the default seems to be?
[07:01] <DanaG> I'm out of disk space while upgrading an OS in a VM, so I'm trying to discard all my change and revert.... but it needs MORE space to revert.
[07:01] <DanaG> WTF?
[07:02] <tcpdumpgod> Jurgentje do you have "Headphone" turned all the way up?
[07:02] <tcpdumpgod> DanaG, what partition is it on?
[07:03] <DanaG> My root partition.
[07:03] <DanaG> I have only one partition, which turns out to be a bit foolish, I guess.
[07:03] <tcpdumpgod> DanaG, you have VMWare installed on your root partition?
[07:04] <tcpdumpgod> Oh okay.
[07:04] <DanaG> VirtualBox, actually.
[07:04] <tcpdumpgod> DanaG, clean out /var/log and /tmp
[07:04] <Jurgentje> tcpdumpgod: what do you mean by "headphone"?
[07:04] <nanobug> can anyone help me quick?  I just installed hardy beta.  I used the new display resolution tool to change my resolution and for some reason it made my monitor go crazy
[07:04] <nanobug> so now i am stuck in a console
[07:04] <DanaG> Only 160M there.
[07:04] <tcpdumpgod> Jurgentje, inside your Volume Applet's properties.
[07:04] <nanobug> i tried to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it looks different from other times i've poked around in it
[07:04] <DanaG> I'm going through random old downloads.
[07:05] <nanobug> on 7.10 i mean
[07:05] <Jurgentje> well, I've got kmix and "headphones" is not in there. Obviously I have the main volume and the pcm volume open
[07:05] <nanobug> is there any quick command someone can give me to reconfigure xorg.conf from the console and get back to the desktop?
[07:05] <secret901> is it possible to restore to the previous version of the sound manager?
[07:08] <secret901> how do I get the computer to recognize my sound card?
[07:08] <tcpdumpgod> DanaG, try using this command...
[07:08] <Jurgentje> Okay... I have sound... I have to jack open the "front" channel of my surround settings :/
[07:08] <tcpdumpgod> find / -type f -size +20000k -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{ print $8 ": " $5 }'
[07:08] <DanaG> Removing my old downloads worked.
[07:08] <tcpdumpgod> to find some large files and possible delete them.
[07:09] <tcpdumpgod> Thats a nice command string to narrow down some big files and have them pointed out to you
[07:09] <secret901> Jurgentje: what was your problem?
[07:09] <DanaG> Anyway, the VM was Fedora 8, with essentially no customizations; I don't actually use it, so I've just deleted it.
[07:09] <DanaG> but I'll save that command.
[07:09] <Jurgentje> I didn't have sound on my PCM
[07:09] <secret901> Jurgentje: was this a new problem with hardy?
[07:10] <DanaG> Eeh, should I bother installing Fedora 9 Beta in a VM, if I won't use it?  .... naaah.
[07:10] <Jurgentje> I don't know if it's a new problem... it was new for me though
[07:10] <Jurgentje> didn't have that problem under 7.10
[07:10] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, it is good for system maintenance DanaG
[07:10] <Jurgentje> first thing I'll do now is reboot to my old kubuntu and check if the front channel isn't open there by accident.
[07:10] <secret901> Jurgentje: do you get error messages or did it just mute the sound?
[07:10] <Jurgentje> just mute
[07:11] <DanaG> I essentially don't use Fedora.  I had just installed it so I could learn a bit about the package manager to help others.
[07:11] <Jurgentje> no error message (btw... it's solved now by opening the "front" channel in Kmix)
[07:11] <tcpdumpgod> DanaG, its nothing spectacular ... in my eyes.
[07:12] <DanaG> The one thing I do like that Ubuntu is missing: that fading wallpaper trick.
[07:12] <DanaG> It's a thing of elegance.
[07:12] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[07:12] <r00tintheb0x> Im sure it can do it.
[07:12] <secret901> Jurgentje: I guess your problem is different than mine then
[07:13] <DanaG> I also have a Hackintosh partition that I only use for laughs once in a long while.  Hardy is my main OS.  I love the font rendering, for one thing.
[07:13] <r00tintheb0x> Yeah buddie!
[07:14] <bod_> hey guys, whenever i drag&drop Synaptic into awn it all seems to be fine intill i reboot then synaptic is no longer in awn,.,.any thoughts as to why?
[07:14] <DanaG> Too bad there's no way to resize root while booted from it, even if init'ing to 1 and remounting RO.
[07:17] <DanaG> Why'd you randomly change usernames, and then change back?
[07:19] <moses> Hi everyone! Is there anyone who can help me with ipodconnectivity in HH
[07:19] <DanaG> Hmm, what can a P2-266 with 192MB of RAM be used for?
[07:20] <secret901> the audio in my laptop stopped working after I upgraded to Hardy and I'm getting error messages that "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."; anyone know how I can fix this?
[07:20] <DanaG> Odd.... baobab doesn't show files, just folders.
[07:25] <DanaG> I'm going to bed now.  It's 12:24PM (Pacific Time.  PST or PDT? I don't have a durn clue.)
[07:32] <bicyclist>  
[07:33] <tcpdumpgod> sorry moses i dont own one.
[07:33] <ere4si> I've ended up with a .directory icon on the desktop after the upgrade ??
[07:34] <tcpdumpgod> thats normal ere4si .
[07:34] <ere4si> never had one before...
[07:36] <tcpdumpgod> Trust me, its normal.
[07:36]  * bicyclist Uwe Hauck
[07:37] <ere4si> Well, I've never had one on the desktop, I don't want one, so I'll remove it :)
[07:41] <tcpdumpgod> yeah, you can definitely remove it...
[07:41] <tcpdumpgod> Its just something left over from the upgrade ere4si
[07:42] <ere4si> k thnx tcpdumpgod
[07:42] <tcpdumpgod> no problem
[07:44] <Smegzor> After using 8.04 for a day, I shut down this morning and now it wants to force fschk on my first partition.  There is no progress bar and it just sits there.  If I ctrl-alt-del it proceeds to login but it can't find my home dir and i can't log in.  Does this sound familiar?  How do I fix not being able to find my home dir?  Its definitely there but a few days ago I did chmod it to hide its contents from other users.  I've logged into
[08:59] <davisc> Installed hardy Beta last night but couldn't get compiz running with Xinerama. Switch to TwinView and it all works. Should the bug go against xorg?
[09:06] <gaminggeek> arg why does pulse audio suck so much!
[09:16] <EqUaTe> davisc: did it work with gutsy?
[09:18] <davisc> EqUaTe: I didn't have gutsy on that machine and couldn't use it with feisty because there was a bug with gnome-terminal
[09:19] <EqUaTe> heh
[09:20] <EqUaTe> well, i'm not sure that compiz is supposed to work with xinerama.. and isn't xinerama a dying tech anyway? (iirc it was a rather bad way of handling multiple monitors...)
[09:20] <davisc> Maybe - but that's the config that the screen res utility sets up
[09:20] <EqUaTe> which util?
[09:21] <davisc> The ubuntu one - shows up under Applications -> Other
[09:21] <davisc> At work at the mo so don't have it in front of me
[09:21] <EqUaTe> not running ubuntu on the machines i have access to atm.. but it sounds more like a bug with that package than xorg..
[09:22] <Infecto> hmm i have strange ups in kernel
[09:23] <davisc> Maybe both. Technically, the res utility worked perfectly (though I did have to manually set the type of monitors - plug and play didn't work). It's just that you can't use Compiz with Xinerama - you get the famous "The Composite extension could not be loaded" error
[09:23] <EqUaTe> yes, and ubuntu uses compiz fusion as standard, so the tool shouldn't be using xinerama really..
[09:24] <gluer> how do i adjust laptop brightness in hardy if brightness control doesnt work?
[09:24] <Tengu> hello! how to "include" preseed conf into kickstart ? which command do I have to use?
[09:25] <Tengu> I saw something like "preseed --owner gdm shared/default-x-display-manager select gdm", but I have to include a whole script...
[09:27] <davisc> EqUaTe: Someone beat me to it :-)
[09:29] <Lynoure> Seems I can no longer start firefox-2,  even doing firefox-2 from the commandline starts a new FF3 window
[09:30] <Lynoure> Does it work for you others? I'm on hardy kubuntu
[09:33] <iSplicer> hey all
[09:33] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: Greetings :)
[09:34] <iSplicer> if i install hardy, the latest alpha, will i be able to upgrade to the latest stable version (when it comes out), without a clean re install?
[09:34] <Lynoure> iSplicer: Yes.
[09:34] <iSplicer> thanks mate =)
[09:35] <davisc> iSplicer: You'll be doing large apt-get dist-upgrades between now and when it's released
[09:35] <iSplicer> just one question, sorry if its annoying -> its not THAT unstable, right? Some people have said you cant tell the difference between alpha and stable and others say the alpha is very bugged
[09:36] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: I find it suitably stable
[09:36] <davisc> iSplicer: It's not alpha at the moment - it's beta
[09:36] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: the beta that is
[09:36] <davisc> iSplicer: And you'll get a few things that won't work but I've never had big problems
[09:36] <iSplicer> oh i see, must of got it mixed up, lol.
[09:37] <iSplicer> the new wallpaper looks mad
[09:37] <DistroJockey> :)
[09:38] <iSplicer> man, who are the guys who make ubuntu for free?
[09:39] <Lynoure> iSplicer: some ubuntu developers actually get paid... and some upstream devs too. :) But most do it for free.
[09:39] <jimqode> iSplicer, you, me, everybody. :)
[09:41] <iSplicer> oh, lol
[09:42] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: if you can wait 28 days, Hardy will be released then :)
[09:43] <iSplicer> yeah, you are right, but I have a clean computer that my mother wants to use ubuntu on, its got no OS on it...
[09:43] <iSplicer> ... so wouldnt it be better to install the beta and then upgrade to the stable one without reinstalling
[09:43] <iSplicer> that, and i cant wait to try the new ubuntu =]
[09:43] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: ahh *nods*
[09:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[09:43] <iSplicer> oh yeah, beta is newer than alpha6 right?
[09:43] <DistroJockey> yep
[09:44] <jimqode> iSplicer, you know you can contribute right? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[09:44] <DistroJockey> alpha, beta, gamma, delta
[09:44] <DistroJockey> not that we go to gamma and delta :)
[09:44] <jimqode> yes beta comes after alpha. then comes release candidate, then release
[09:45] <iSplicer> yeah, im a member of the forums, and i am trying to get into the community as much as possible, I am only a newcomer to linux
[09:45] <iSplicer> and i couldnt believe my eyes when it uses 165MB of ram when IDLE
[09:45] <iSplicer> WHY DID I BUY 4GB OF DDR2-1066 RAM? WHY??!?!
[09:45] <iSplicer> lo
[09:45] <iSplicer> l
[09:45] <DistroJockey> 255MB here for Hardy atm
[09:46] <DistroJockey> Mem:   1554748k total,  1356364k used,   198384k free,    51284k buffers
[09:46] <DistroJockey> Swap:  1951888k total,        0k used,  1951888k free,   824396k cached
[09:46] <DistroJockey> more if I run stuff :)
[09:46] <DistroJockey> I never hit swap though :)
[09:46] <iSplicer> hey, when i install the beta, and when the release candidate comes out, can i upgrade to that (will it remind me automatically?)
[09:47] <Lynoure> iSplicer: Maybe you want to run many virtual machines, or edit huge images (or video...)?
[09:48] <iSplicer> yeah sure, i do a lot of munber crunching
[09:48] <iSplicer> *number
[09:48] <iSplicer> with matlab
[09:48] <DistroJockey> iSplicer: tried Scilab? It's free :)
[09:48] <iSplicer> is releases.ubuntu.com down for you? doesnt seem to be loading...
[09:48] <iSplicer> oh, there it is
[09:49] <iSplicer> lol
[09:49] <iSplicer> sry
[09:49] <Lynoure> Could someone with both FF2 and FF3 installed kindy see if FF2 starts for them?
[09:50] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: how did you install FF2?
[09:51] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: I did not, for hardy, just upgraded from gutsy
[09:52] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: ahh
[09:52] <Lynoure> In my opinion either it should run, or FF3 should mark FF2 as conflicting package.
[09:53] <Lynoure> Now I'm still trying to discover if this happens to other people too.
[09:53] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: that sounds fair
[09:54] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: did you try running it from terminal in the appropriate directory?
[09:55] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: what's the appropriate directory? firefox-2 from command line opens a new firefox-3 window to me. Should not be dependent on what directory I'm in when I run it
[09:56] <Lynoure> both are in the path, being in /usr/bin/
[09:57] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: my firefox-3.0 in /usr/bin links to:  ../lib/firefox-3.0b4/firefox.sh
[09:57] <Raspberry> wow, no updates for 3 hrs... impressive
[09:57] <DistroJockey> hehe
[09:58] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: same here. and ff2 runs for you?
[09:58] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: don't have FF2 as I did a clean install, sorry
[09:59] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: well, on my system /usr/bin/firefox-2 still links to ../lib/firefox/firefox-2 , alas, still it starts ff3
[09:59] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: but I was thinking that if you went to /usr/lib/firefox-2.???/firefox.sh   instead it may run
[10:00] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: ahh *nods*
[10:00] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: Is there any way I could get you to try ff2? :)
[10:01] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: well, that's why I asked how you installed it :) Was going to do what you did
[10:01] <Lynoure> I mean, me fixing it on my system will not help anyone... I was only about to run it to troubleshoot someone elses different ff2 problem
[10:01] <Smegzor> Why do i have to manually connect to the internet every time I boot up?  Is this a bug?  How do I make it go online automatically?
[10:02] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: sudo apt-get install firefox-2  ought to do it, I think.
[10:03] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: indeed it does, installing :)
[10:04] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: Thank you. (I checked meanwhile that mine was uptodate)
[10:05] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: I can run both, but not at the same time
[10:05] <Smegzor> another thing that isn't working is desktop wallpaper.  that only changes after logging off. :(
[10:05] <tanner> lots and lots of rum
[10:05] <Raspberry> Why does the new updates to FireFox3 not allow me to open PDFs... It only lets me save them
[10:06] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: In Applications - Internet  I now have listed: Firefox 2 Web Browser and Firefox Web Browser
[10:07] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: if you run them simultaneously, same thing happens to you?
[10:07] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: I started 2, then when I started 3 with 2 running, I got another 2
[10:08] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: kill all your Firefox's maybe?
[10:08] <Lynoure> interesting. Probably worth reporting, probably not worth fixing unless maybe to the webdev crowd
[10:09] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: The Link Target for /usr/bin/firefox-2 is  ../lib/firefox/firefox-2
[10:10] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: yes, same I had. and as the behaviour was same too, yup, reporting
[10:10] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: *nods* :)
[10:19] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: thanks for your input, it's now at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/207638
[10:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207638 in firefox-3.0 "Will not start if firefox-2 is running" [Undecided,New]
[10:20] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: Cheers, for the link was just looking for it or going to ask if I couldn't find. A no problem :)
[10:21] <DistroJockey> *shoots his typist*
[10:21] <Lynoure> Oh I wish that there was a) a formilized way to note versions on Launchpad b) a way to voice one's opinion on the severity
[10:21] <m1r> hi all
[10:22] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: Nicely written bug report
[10:22] <Lynoure> Feels a bit wasteful reporting lesser-than-medium bugs, as they pop up in the unhandled queue as high as the more important ones
[10:23] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: file a bug report ;P
[10:23] <Lynoure> DistroJockey: Thanks :) hardy has been so far shockingly well-behaved on my system.
[10:23] <DistroJockey> heh
[10:23] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: I agree, it's running nicely
[10:23] <Lynoure> I guess I could file a brainstorm thing.
[10:24] <Lynoure> Not today, though.
[10:24] <DistroJockey> Lynoure: I had 1 issue with java, but solved that following a bug thread
[10:26] <m1r> anyone have problems with prism54usb ?
[10:37] <PodMan99a> hey all ... whats the package for kernel source.... ubuntu-source / kernel-source unable to be found?
[10:38] <martalli> linux-source-2.6.24 and so on
[10:41] <PodMan99a> martalli, thanks
[10:42] <martalli> no prob
[10:46] <ere4si> just did a  sudo apt-get autoclean   after upgrading this afternoon and it removed nearly a Gig :)
[10:52] <PodMan99a> im having to use 2.6.22-14-generic rather than *-24 as 24 wont boot loads up as busybox cli (initramfs)
[10:55] <ere4si> PodMan99a: you didn't get a *-24 generic kernel as well? - is it the 386 kernel that goes to busybox?
[10:55] <PodMan99a> i have a generic kernel but its not in grub ?
[10:57] <ere4si> PodMan99a: I had the same issue with the 386 kernel - maybe try   update-grub?
[10:57] <PodMan99a> kool thanks
[11:03] <gluer> anyone know how i can install the latest asus-acpi so i can get my fn-f5 fn-f6 brightness keys to work?
[11:08] <dns53> gluer just modprobe asus-acpi? works for me
[11:09] <ddalton> is gdm not working for you guys? Or is it just me? I apparently just get a loading screen.
[11:10] <DistroJockey> ddalton: Works for me
[11:11] <DistroJockey> ddalton: clean install of Hardy or an upgrade?
[11:12] <ddalton> upgrade interupted by mistake since im blind and lost speech and I restarted it with dpkg --configure -a
[11:13] <DistroJockey> ddalton: Interupted things get ugly
[11:13] <ddalton> oh any ideas on how I could begin fixing?
[11:14] <ddalton> DistroJockey: any ideas?
[11:14] <dns53> dpkg --configure -a, work out what is broken and try and reinstall it, what packages are currently broken?
[11:14] <DistroJockey> ddalton: what things are broken?
[11:14] <ddalton> gdm and then a speakup kernel I install... Some stuff in /lib/firmware got left behind...
[11:14] <DistroJockey> Greetings dns53 :)
[11:15] <ddalton> I think the rest is ok... oh and open office couldn't  update because of openoffice-something...
[11:16] <DistroJockey> ddalton: maybe a:  sudo apt-get --reinstall gdm
[11:17] <DistroJockey> ?
[11:17] <dns53> what video card do you have?
[11:18] <DistroJockey> I'm not sure if gdm is a package though. Anyone?
[11:19] <dns53> it is, but the problem could also be the video card drivers or something essential
[11:19] <dns53> you could also be out of disk space
[11:20] <DistroJockey> dns53: thanks *nods*
[11:20] <dns53> df to see
[11:23] <ddalton> Sorry im switching my braille display between to machines...
[11:23] <ddalton> ok let me read what you guys wrote
[11:24] <ddalton> ok well first I am not sure what video card I have, but it worked with gutsy. Also I should have plenty of disk space.
[11:26] <dns53> well if you have a nvidia or ati card you may be using a binary driver that may not be installed yet. open your xorg.conf and see what driver it is using
[11:27] <DistroJockey> ddalton: can you restate what the issue is with gdm please?
[11:28] <ddalton> ok well, it was working with gutsy before.
[11:28] <ddalton> Can I revert to gutsy
[11:28] <ddalton> ?
[11:29] <dns53> yes but it is not easy, you would need to force it to downgrade everything
[11:29] <ddalton> well I apparently just get this thing moving around showing its loading nothing happens and it doesn't show any progress
[11:29] <ddalton> how would I do that?
[11:29] <ddalton> I kind of regret upgrading now
[11:30] <Hobbsee`> ddalton: just reinstall
[11:30] <DistroJockey> ddalton: you can access a virtual console using ctrl+alt+f2  ?
[11:30] <dns53> apt-get --downgrade install packagename for each package installed. you will need gutsy in your sources.list
[11:30] <ddalton> im in a text console now yes
[11:31] <DistroJockey> maybe dmesg will be of help
[11:31] <Hobbsee`> dns53: that's a royal pain.  reinstall is easier, and better
[11:31] <ddalton> ok ill reinstall then.
[11:31] <dns53> i agree, but just stateing that it is possible
[11:32] <ddalton> anyone know of an accessible installer?
[11:32] <ccooke> ddalton: How was the system installed originally?
[11:32] <dns53> the alterative install cd should be accessable
[11:33] <ddalton> I mean that talks. im blind
[11:33] <DistroJockey> ddalton: most current installers should be
[11:33] <ccooke> DistroJockey: are they? I don't recall seeing anything that would get them to activate a screen reader, say, automatically
[11:33] <ddalton> I got sighted help
[11:33] <DistroJockey> ddalton: what is that package called, speex  ?
[11:34] <ccooke> ddalton: your problem currently is that gdm isn't working, yes?
[11:34] <dns53> it is an audio codec used for voip
[11:34] <ccooke> ddalton: is that the only thing?
[11:34] <DistroJockey> ccooke: Not automatic, no, but maybe a boot option?
[11:35] <ccooke> DistroJockey: heh. The problem is, how do you get that active if you can't see the option...
[11:35] <ddalton> I can enable orca but that didn't voice it last time.
[11:36] <ddalton> im searching...
[11:36] <DistroJockey> ccooke: true
[11:36] <DistroJockey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351356
[11:37] <DistroJockey> With the screen on I figured out the magic sequence of keys I need; F5, down three times, enter twice. This will start feisty with the orca screenreader enabled. I guess there's no way grub can provide any audio feedback so we're just going to have to tell our blind user the magic key sequence to get him started.
[11:37] <DistroJockey> end quote :)
[11:38] <ccooke> (It might be nice to set up a keyboard sequence that enables a screen-reader, then play a sound clip on entry into the GUI telling you what it is.
[11:38] <DistroJockey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/doc/LiveCDsettings?highlight=(accessibility)
[11:39] <ccooke> It'd all be English, unfortunately, but that's better than nothing)
[11:39] <DistroJockey> the above link says what available but not how to do it :(
[11:40] <DistroJockey> ddalton: you probably know all that though
[11:41] <DistroJockey> ddalton: but with a broken system, it just may not work
[11:44] <ddalton> I found some instructions:
[11:45] <ddalton> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuFeisty
[11:46] <DistroJockey> ddalton: nice :)
[11:47] <twager> Anyone tell me if the restricted driver install device for nvidia and ati is still in Hardy ?
[11:47] <ddalton> lets hope it actually works... :-)
[11:48] <DistroJockey> ddalton: best of luck. Sorry we couldn't fix your current install though
[11:48] <ddalton> so will it be ok if I just install to hda2 and change the size of swap and hda2? will it effect windows? will dual boot still work? can it a
[11:48] <ddalton> can I just remove the partitions hda2 ubuntu and swap and then run the installer like before?
[11:49] <Ng> twager: should be, although I think it's called jockey now
[11:49] <DistroJockey> ddalton: the installer usually has an option to remove all linux partitions and set up a default setup
[11:49] <twager> Ng: Thanks will have another look...
[11:50] <ddalton> and leave windows alone?
[11:50] <DistroJockey> ddalton: I guess that is what you need
[11:50] <Ng> twager: try System->Administration->Hardware drivers
[11:50] <DistroJockey> ddalton: it should, yes. But it is always a good idea to have a backup
[11:50] <ddalton> yeah. ill go manual and just remove the linux ones and make sure I read
[11:50] <DistroJockey> me too :)
[11:52] <ddalton> yep I got to dd images
[11:52] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:52] <DistroJockey> ddalton: well, I hope it all goes smoothly for you
[11:54] <DistroJockey> ddalton: did you happen to try the apt-get --reinstall gdm ?
[12:01] <rexy_> heu
[12:02] <rexy_> they fixed the hal package the wrong way :|, installation failed because it was using a hal directory rather then hald, now it creates a hal directory instead?
[12:02] <rexy_> or are hal and hald to seperate things?
[12:02] <rexy_> *two
[12:08] <ddalton> DistroJockey: I think it said invalid argumen
[12:08] <ddalton> argument
[12:08] <marlun> I've set all the volume controls to the highest value but still the volume isn't very high. Can I change this somehow?
[12:10] <ddalton> ok their instructions don't work, however, I'm trying a little hack
[12:11] <DistroJockey> ddalton: ahh, bummer
[12:12] <ddalton> no that fails too
[12:13] <ddalton> When I study it it doesn't even make any sense.
[12:14] <ddalton> "How can you run orca as root when root has no configuration file?" Maybe if you do the boot thing im  not sure
[12:15] <DistroJockey> ddalton: sudo orca
[12:15] <DistroJockey> ddalton: ?
[12:16] <W8TAH> morning everyone
[12:16] <ddalton> no... because A orca has no config B it will then take up the term and make it unuserable.
[12:16] <ddalton> That was a bit of my hack.
[12:17] <ddalton> I think there instructions will work though if I select screenreader from the boot.
[12:17] <ddalton> Any thanks for all the help!
[12:17] <ddalton> Going to bed.
[12:17] <ddalton> good night
[12:17] <DistroJockey> ddalton: good luck, night
[12:17] <ddalton> thanks. bye
[12:23] <khaur> is the KDE4 desktop in Hardy currently broken, or is it just me? plasma seems to crash for me after installing the latest updates
[12:25] <Dr_willis> La da dee.. fresh new beta Kubuntu install Now to break things..
[12:26] <Dr_willis> I did like the Install  without booting to the live cd desktop feature.
[12:29] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: from the Desktop CD?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> Yea. the kubuntu kde4 live desktop cd had that optuon in the grub menu.
[12:30] <Dr_willis> Not sure if its on the other cd's or not.
[12:30] <Dr_willis> It basicially started a minimal X desktop with the installer going. No kde.
[12:31] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: ahh, yeah,that was what I was wondering (if text install or expert was available at boot) :)
[12:33] <Viden> I could really use some help with a broadcom wireless card in Hardy.  The fwcutter worked fine in gutsy but in hardy will only allow the wireless to work on 1mb.  Can anyone help?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Heh kde4 allredy crashed on me..
[12:33] <DistroJockey> heh, I don't like kde4 at all
[12:33] <Dr_willis> it wasent a text install.  looked like the normal old installer.. if there was any changes i dident notice them
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Ive gotten where i use fluxbox + fbpanel lately
[12:34] <Dr_willis> i figured this was the safest way to test out kde4.
[12:34] <Laney> Can I disable the animation when I click on panel icons?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Laney,  for gnome? or kde?
[12:35] <Laney> Dr_willis: For GNOME. Click on a launcher in the panel and it does some zoom animation
[12:35] <DistroJockey> Laney: good question, although I do like it :)
[12:36] <Dr_willis> I never noticed it.. sorry. :)
[12:37] <Dr_willis> !info xfce4
[12:37] <Laney> Got it. /apps/panel/global/enable_animations in gconf-editor
[12:37] <Dr_willis> I did get used to xfce over the last week or 2 also. been testing out other desktops
[12:37] <Viden> can anyone help with this wireless issue?
[12:38] <rafael> has someone problems with the gnome-settings-daemon?
[12:40] <picard_pwns_kirk> I can't use direct rendering anymore, after the updates
[12:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> anyone home?
[12:42] <Viden> i think you will find that no one is
[12:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> aaaarrgh
[12:42] <Pici> !patience
[12:42] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:43] <picard_pwns_kirk> not aaaargh no one's here
[12:43] <picard_pwns_kirk> but aaaarrggghhh opengl's not working
[12:46] <picard_pwns_kirk> nvm
[12:46] <picard_pwns_kirk> fixed it
[12:46] <Kamicazi> Hey everyone
[12:46] <dns53> hey
[12:50] <Kamicazi> Phone rang haha
[12:51] <Kamicazi> I have a question
[12:51] <Kamicazi> I have a Compaq PResario v6500 and ran 8.04 live on the laptop and ran iwconfig and no devices showed
[12:52] <Kamicazi> is there some type of drivers that I can get?
[12:52] <Viden> kamicazi:  do you know what wireless chipset it uses ?
[12:52] <Kamicazi> Umm no I'll find out really quick
[12:53] <Kamicazi> Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[12:53] <Viden> kamicazi: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/intel-wireless-3945-508359/
[12:54] <Viden> i wish you more luck that I am having with my broadcom chipset
[12:55] <Ng> Kamicazi: strange, 3945 should Just Work
[12:56] <Kamicazi> yeah
[12:56] <Ng> it should even have whinged at you about proprietary drivers
[12:56] <Kamicazi> it should but its not for somereason
[12:56] <Viden> Ng:  yeah it "should"  I have heard several say it doesn't though
[12:56] <Viden>  /sigh wireless support in ubuntu is seemingly years behind
[12:56] <Kamicazi> should I just install 8.04 and see what it does
[12:56] <Kamicazi> I just ran the live
[12:57] <Kamicazi> I just want to get rid of Vista
[12:57] <Ng> Viden: I upgraded at least 2 3945 users and it's gone fine, and it works fine on my 4965 :/
[12:57] <dns53> well i am using an older kernel myself as the current does not have madwifi
[12:57] <rexy_> Kamicazi, dont use hardy beta
[12:57] <Viden> Ng:  i wish dell wouldnt have been cheap in there most expensive laptop and placed an intel in it and not this stupid broadcom
[12:57] <rexy_> Kamicazi, especially a nono if you are new to it
[12:58] <Kamicazi> rexy_: Why shouldn't I, I've ran ubuntu on one of my desktops since 6.xx(can't remember the version...)
[12:59] <Kamicazi> rexy_,  and one of my laptops before I sold it
[12:59] <Viden> i think it was just a general warning because a lot of people that are totally new to linux try to install the beta OS and then hose everything
[12:59] <Kamicazi> Ah
[12:59] <rexy_> yes
[13:00] <rexy_> i can guarantee you that you will run into several things that are broken for some reason, heh
[13:00] <Kamicazi> I've been using linux for a while I used to run Gentoo before I turned to Ubuntu
[13:00] <Viden> lol ... lots of things are broken ... finding ways around them is the fun part .. lol
[13:00] <Kamicazi> I'm on 8.04 now lol
[13:00] <Kamicazi> Haven't had no troubles yet on this desktop
[13:01]  * orvokki wonders if he's the only one whose nvidia-glx-new doesn't work.
[13:01] <rexy_> i've got 8.04 on the lappy, workstation still runs normal though, probably wont move that one over for a few months
[13:01] <Kamicazi> I even have compiz fusion which I've had troubles with before and installed it with no troubles
[13:02] <Kamicazi> I'm going to go get my presario and just try an install
[13:02] <rexy_> like this nifty feature, alsa happly resets the volume on my headset to the value stored in the machine
[13:02] <Kamicazi> I'll let you all know the outcome
[13:03] <rexy_> rather then keeping the volume level stored on the headset
[13:04] <Kamicazi> interestin
[13:04] <Viden> has anyone else had issues with autocompletion in the shell?
[13:04] <rexy_> Viden seperate package
[13:04] <rexy_> search autocompletion
[13:05] <Viden> rexy_:  i should say after the install of the autocomplete package
[13:05] <Viden> thats the first thing i did
[13:05] <rexy_> oh, heh :)
[13:06] <youngmusicorg> after installing libnss-ldap, shouldn't there be a config file /etc/libnss-ldap.conf?
[13:06] <Viden> apt seems a little screwy in general though cause after it exits it places about 20 returns in the shell and gives me a nice scroll down the page .. lol
[13:10] <Viden> off the top of your head can you remember that package name .... cant seem to find it in the repo now, although i know i installed it before
[13:12] <youngmusicorg> Viden: Who are you talking to? The package i was talking about is called libnss-ldap
[13:13] <Viden> youngmusicorg:  sorry was talking to rexy
[13:14] <youngmusicorg> ah, ok :-)
[13:19] <Kamicazi> Well I'm 57% done installing >_<
[13:19] <Kamicazi> I hate how you have to wait haha
[13:19] <Viden> lol
[13:19] <Viden> its a fast install though in comparison
[13:19] <Kamicazi> Vista takes forever
[13:19] <Viden> yep
[13:20] <Viden> an hour of pain for a lifetime of agony
[13:20] <Kamicazi> It's like almost 3 hours on some systems
[13:20] <Kamicazi> indeed
[13:20] <Kamicazi> Vista was just so poorly programmed
[13:21] <Kamicazi> I still think if I wanted windows 2000 Pro is the way to go
[13:21] <Kamicazi> lol
[13:21] <orvokki> How about Windows 2003 Server?
[13:21] <Viden> ubuntu would be the perfect OS imo if they would just improve their support for wireless and multiple monitors
[13:21] <orvokki> (Or pro if there's one)
[13:21] <Kamicazi> That's A good system if your running a server
[13:21] <Viden> i have 2003 server installed as my windows os on any machine i have with windows
[13:21] <mat__> hi all?
[13:21] <Viden> hello
[13:21] <orvokki> Hello, world.
[13:22] <Kamicazi> I just don't like windows really at all
[13:22] <Viden>  /agreed
[13:22] <Kamicazi> Heya Mat
[13:22] <Kamicazi> I'm more of a UNIX man now
[13:22] <Kamicazi> well *NIX
[13:23] <Kamicazi> I really enjoy Macs though
[13:23] <Viden> i cant say i honestly have any "need" for windows now .. the only app that i love that i cant run in *nix is dameware
[13:23] <Kamicazi> lol
[13:23] <Kamicazi> what's dameware?
[13:23] <Kamicazi> I haven't heard of it
[13:23] <orvokki> Viden: Doesn't run in Wine either?
[13:23] <Viden> remote control application
[13:23] <Viden> orvokki:  nope
[13:23] <Kamicazi> for?
[13:23] <Viden> windows based machines and servers
[13:23] <Kamicazi> 72%
[13:23] <Kamicazi> Ah
[13:24] <Kamicazi> can't you just use rdp?
[13:24] <Viden> net admins best friend
[13:24] <Viden> it has tons of features other than just rpd
[13:24] <Viden> rdp
[13:24] <Kamicazi> really?
[13:24] <Viden> yep
[13:24] <Kamicazi> hmm
[13:24] <Kamicazi> got a link?
[13:24] <Kamicazi> haha
[13:24] <Viden> check it out ... nice app :  www.dameware.com
[13:25] <Viden> brb
[13:25] <Kamicazi> oh I have seen this before I just forgot about it
[13:25] <Kamicazi> lol
[13:25] <Kamicazi> kk
[13:25] <zack1> hey
[13:26] <Kamicazi> 80
[13:26] <Kamicazi> hey zack
[13:26] <zack1> I installed the 8.04 beta on my laptop and now my wireless card no longer works. it is listed in lshw but there is logical name. I tried modprobe -r airo to remove the driver but nothing happens, it just sits there. Why is it sitting there doing nothing?
[13:26] <zack1> no* logical name
[13:26] <Kamicazi> what's the chipset
[13:26] <Kamicazi> ?
[13:26] <Kamicazi> wireless* chipset
[13:27] <zack1> I switched kernels from the generic to the non generic, the chipset is cisco aironet 802.11b
[13:27] <Kamicazi> oh I don't even know of that one lol
[13:27] <Kamicazi> sorry
[13:27] <zack1> my main problem is that i dont know why modprobe is not doing anything
[13:27] <Kamicazi> I'm having troubles with my Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[13:27] <zack1> oh i read about that one hold on this might help
[13:28] <Kamicazi> well from what I've heard in here there is still problems
[13:28] <zack1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/199620
[13:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199620 in ubuntu "[REGRESSION] Wireless iwl3945 No Longer Works (Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:28] <zack1> I think it is the new kernel screwing things up, my sound doesnt work either
[13:29] <Kamicazi> AH!
[13:29] <Kamicazi> Well I was running it in live
[13:29] <Kamicazi> I'm done installing now and im restarting
[13:29] <zack1> really? i couldnt get my wireless or sound to work on the live cd :(
[13:30] <Kamicazi> maybe the live version dosent load all the drivers
[13:30] <Kamicazi> it should but maybe it dosent
[13:31] <zack1> according to lshw it shows my card and it says it is using the airo driver, but it isnt recognized for some crazy reason
[13:31] <Kamicazi> mope wireless still dosent work
[13:32] <Kamicazi> ehh still no wireless extentions
[13:32] <rexy_> anyone know how to add a bluetooth headset as a sink/source in pulseaudio?
[13:34] <zack1> no idea
[13:34] <zack1> sorry
[13:35] <Kamicazi> can anyone tell me the package for ssh?
[13:36] <davisc> openssh-server is one of them anyway
[13:36] <jpatrick> Kamicazi: openssh-server?
[13:36] <jpatrick> !ssh
[13:36] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[13:36] <Kamicazi> says its not available
[13:36] <davisc> apt-get update
[13:36] <Hobbsee> openssh-client/openssh-server
[13:36] <Kamicazi> haha forgot that
[13:37] <Kamicazi> opps
[13:37] <Kamicazi> lol for got the update thanks dav
[13:38] <magnetron> just get the "ssh" package and you'll be fine, Kamicazi
[13:38] <lucasvo> my WLAN suddenly stopped working. It doesn't show up in the Network settings anymore. I can't configure it with iwlist/ifconfig either
[13:39] <lucasvo> it's a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[13:40] <lucasvo> are there any known issues?
[13:40] <Kamicazi> lucasvo run iwconfig and see if its even seeing the wireless extentions
[13:40] <Kamicazi> cause im having that same problem
[13:40] <Kamicazi> but mines a Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[13:40] <lucasvo> Kamicazi: I can't find anyone
[13:40] <lucasvo> Kamicazi: for how long?
[13:40] <Kamicazi> then your in the same boat im in lol
[13:41] <Kamicazi> since yesterday when I first installed it
[13:41] <Kamicazi> lol
[13:43] <lucasvo> Kamicazi: it broke on my machine(I already was running 8.04) about 2 weeks ago
[13:43] <lucasvo> Kamicazi: were you able to install/load it manually?
[13:43] <Kamicazi> hmm I have a link I was given that might help
[13:44] <Kamicazi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/199620
[13:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199620 in ubuntu "[REGRESSION] Wireless iwl3945 No Longer Works (Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:44] <Kamicazi> try that
[13:44]  * Hobbsee raises eyebrows
[13:44] <Kamicazi> it didn't work for me
[13:44] <Hobbsee> if that's true, then how am i talking?
[13:44] <Kamicazi> huh?
[13:44] <Hobbsee> ah yes, no kernel modules will do it
[13:45] <Kamicazi> mine still dosent work though
[13:45] <Hobbsee> Kamicazi: got the ubuntu modules for whichever kernel shows in uname -a?
[13:45] <Kamicazi> is there a way that I can recompile the kernel and reload it
[13:45] <Kamicazi> hmm let me check
[13:46] <Kamicazi> this is what I got in uname -a
[13:46] <Kamicazi> Linux melvin-laptop 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:47] <Kamicazi> I just don't know how to check the modles that are already present
[13:47] <Laney> Does anyone else have a problem where if you click on the pidgin "new message" panel icon (the flashing one) while on another desktop, the desktop isn't switched back to the one with the chat window on?
[13:47] <Hobbsee> Kamicazi: what does 'apt-cache policy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic' say?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> in particular, on the "installed" line
[13:48] <BUGabundo> guys and ladys
[13:48] <BUGabundo> have a look at bug 207733 is cracking me open...
[13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207733 in openoffice.org "[hardy] openoffice about says v2.3 and v2.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207733
[13:48] <Kamicazi>  2.6.24-12.17
[13:48] <BUGabundo> looks like we are goind with a new
[13:49] <BUGabundo> GIMP bug as in gutsy
[13:49] <Hobbsee> Kamicazi: strange.
[13:49] <Kamicazi> ?
[13:50] <DeepB> !release
[13:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:50] <m1r> what is with prism54usb ? it was working in 7.10 and in 8.04 is droping my usb wlan down after 2 seconds conection
[13:50] <Kamicazi> Hobbsee: what's strange?
[13:51] <BUGabundo> that reminds me DeepB... how do I run the equivlent to that on a debian/ubuntu sheel?
[13:51] <BUGabundo> *shell
[13:52] <zack1__> kamicazi do you know what driver you are suppose to use?
[13:52] <Hobbsee> Kamicazi: it should be working
[13:53] <Kamicazi> zack1__, no I do not this is the first time running linux on this laptop
[13:54] <zack1__> kamicazi, ok open up a terminal and type this in without quotes "sudo lshw"
[13:54] <Kamicazi> what is that supposed to do?
[13:54] <zack1__> it will give oyu an output of all your hardware
[13:54] <BUGabundo> format your HOME Kamicazi
[13:54] <zack1__> you need to look through it to find your card
[13:55] <Kamicazi> all I'm seeing is "PCI (sysfs)"
[13:55] <zack1__> scroll up till you see "*-netowrk"
[13:55] <Kamicazi> and its just like if froze
[13:55] <zack1__> kamicazi its loading up the stuff it might take a minute
[13:55] <Kamicazi> Ah
[13:56] <Kamicazi> I already know my wirless chipset if that's what your wonderign
[13:56] <zack1__> kamicazi, when you ge to the network section, it should have 2 or more network sections
[13:57] <zack1__> what you need to look for is the one that has the name of your wireless card, on here do you see a part called "logical name"
[13:57] <Kamicazi> This is going to take a while it seems I'll be back in a couple
[13:57] <Kamicazi> Ok
[13:57] <Kamicazi> brb
[13:59] <zack1__> kamicazi, be sure to type my name in the message when you get back or else i might miss it
[14:00] <Milos_SD> when will lirc be fixed?
[14:00] <Milos_SD> I can not start daemon
[14:00] <Milos_SD> :(
[14:00] <adinc>  i've installed my custom kernel for testing, now i removed it again and apt gives errors when i try to install any other package, it says cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.25-rc6-custom which was the modules for the kernel i build. how can i fix this quickly?
[14:01] <fromport> adinc: mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.25-rc6-custom
[14:01] <fromport> then run "dpkg --configure -a"
[14:01] <fromport> then it will shut up about the error ;-)
[14:02] <adinc> fromport: will i have to do this directory for every kernel i compile?
[14:02] <BunnyRevolution> is the LAMP server still using /var/www as the root html directory?
[14:03] <BunnyRevolution> is *buntu changing or dropping options from CLi commands?
[14:03] <fromport> i compiled a kernel, purged it, but upgrades decided i still had the kernel installed. it's probably something with the grub-update that will get fixed real soon
[14:03] <fromport> adinc: could you try if it fixes your problem ?
[14:03] <adinc> fromport: yes it fixed the problem
[14:07] <Kamicazi> zack1__ its still tyring to find the hardware
[14:07] <Kamicazi> it still just says "PCI (sysfs)
[14:07] <adinc> the version numbering in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 shows version 2.6.24-12.17 for the latest modules when i search for the modules with apt i get  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-generic how can i find out if this is version 2.6.24-12.17 as stated in the link above
[14:08] <zack1__> kamicazi how is your wireless card attached? is is pci?
[14:08] <zack1__> it*
[14:16] <zack1__> I can not get "sudo modprobe airo" to do anything. it just sits there.
[14:17] <shay> go back to gutsy
[14:17] <kitche> zack1__: what do you see though just the line sudo modprobe airo or the prompt
[14:17] <zack1__> thats a rather non-progessive way to think
[14:17] <collusion> my thinkpad x40 used to suspend with dapper (possibly with various pre-dapper hacks) but doesn't with hardy; any thoughts on how to debug?
[14:18] <zack1__> kitche, when I type in the command and hit enter i drops one line lower? and there is nothing there not even a prompt
[14:18] <wastrel> hello
[14:18] <kitche> then it might be waiting for something but I would look at dmesg and logs
[14:19] <zack1__> where would they be located kitche
[14:19] <kitche> dmesg is a command
[14:21] <zack1__> in dmesg i dont see anything related to eth1, which would be my wireless. When I type in iwconfig however, I do not see eth1. But lshw shows the card but without a logical name listed.
[14:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> power management appears to be subpar so far (as far as processor scaling, at least)
[14:23] <zack1__> This is a little different but did 8.04 change they way xorg.conf is configured? I just opened it up to edit it but there is nothing there besides identifiers except for input devices.
[14:27] <zack1__> ok reading through dmesg again i found this line "airo(): Found an MPI350 card"
[14:28] <ere4si> I can't view the filesystem - even    kdesudo dolphin /     brings up an mt folder...?
[14:30] <ere4si> doing  cd /   then    ls    just hangs the konsole  lol :)
[14:30] <zack1__> id help but i dont know much about kde sorry
[14:30] <graft> any kopete users here perchance running kde4?
[14:32] <graft> zack1__: what was the question?
[14:33] <zack1__> ok i this section of dmesg has something to do with why my wireless card doesnt work "[   31.181946] airo(): Probing for PCI adapters
[14:33] <zack1__> [   31.182061] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:02.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[14:33] <zack1__> [   31.182094] airo(): Found an MPI350 card"
[14:33] <zack1__> what is the pci interrupt part for/
[14:34] <wers> will the final hardy release have a beta firefox browser?
[14:34] <soul9> re
[14:34] <soul9> is there a known hardy bug with nvidia drivers?
[14:39] <ere4si> solved the issue - nfs mounts aren't happn'n cause the server is off - have "soft" as the mount option tho which worked in gutsy
[14:40] <TheFool> So I have been fooling around with the 8.04 beta and the wubi installation method and I think it is brilliant. However, at the beginning of the process you are asked to specify a size for the installation and I have a few questions about that.
[14:41] <TheFool> One does the file created "grow" or does it start out full size, and two is it possible to change that file size at a later date?
[14:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> i do believe that it starts out full size, and it is not possible to increase the size
[14:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...you're better with a *real* installation
[14:43] <TheFool> Daisuke_Laptop: Of that I am sure, however for showing it off to friends this is a nice feature. And the ability to expand it later when they take a liking to it would be nice.
[14:44] <TheFool> However I know how difficult expanding linux partitions is so...
[14:44] <os2mac> Hi, when ever I try to open the Desktop Effects window I get the following error : http://jim.macdonald.org/images/Screenshot-Error.png
[14:44] <Lamego> TheFool, accordin to the wubi guide it is possible using http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lvpm.html
[14:45] <TheFool> Lamego: That is actually to make a "wubi install" into a "real install"
[14:45] <Lamego> TheFool, read it with care, it does state that can also be use for VP resizing
[14:45] <TheFool> Which is most likely the path I will advocate if someone wants to keep it.
[14:45] <TheFool> Lamego: oooh, did not notice that. :)
[14:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lamego: i was unaware of that, thank you for letting us know
[14:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> granted, i'm still not fond of wubi, but for showing it off to new users, it's awesome
[14:48] <TheFool> Daisuke_Laptop: I am actually quite impressed by it. I was expecting far worse disk access times/performace.
[14:48] <BUGabundo> heehehh
[14:48] <Lamego> it lowers the barriers for some users
[14:48] <BUGabundo> good kestion wers
[14:48] <TheFool> As of now I have every bell and whistle I could imagine running and no performance issues
[14:49] <BUGabundo> FF 3.0 will only come out on June
[14:49] <TheFool> I was also happily surprised to find 8.04 supports my sound card and wifi out of the box (no other version has)
[14:50] <wers> yep. having a beta software (especially an important one) in an lts release is controversial
[14:51] <TheFool> is it still going to be beta come release time?
[14:51] <insomninja> Can anybody tell how to change the keyboard map outside of gnome, I'm running awesome atm, and it is cumbersome to log back into gnome just because some games don't recognize som local key settings
[14:51] <Ng> wers: it'll get updated to the final mozilla.org release when that happens, I'm sure
[14:51] <TheFool> ah release is in april so I guess so...
[14:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm loving 8.04 so far
[14:51] <kitche> insomninja: umm you have to use the xorg built in application forgot the name of it
[14:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> *except* for power management.
[14:52] <TheFool> wers: o you have any links to the rationale behind that decision?
[14:52] <wers> of course, but the beta software will be in all gutsy live cds and that's not really a good thing
[14:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's really hurting
[14:52] <insomninja> kitche, xmodmap?
[14:52] <kitche> insomninja: yeah
[14:52] <TheFool> wers: I personally have had several issues with stability in FF 3b4
[14:52] <insomninja> kitche, do you know where the files containing the settings are located?
[14:54] <wers> http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/mozilla-final-v.html
[14:54] <kitche> insomninja: umm you mean the keymaps?
[14:54] <insomninja> yes
[14:55] <kitche> insomninja: /usr/share is where it's at can't remember the lower directories though
[14:55] <insomninja> ok, thanks :)
[14:56] <kitche> to busy really myself tryng to disable acpi thermal on my freebsd machine
[14:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, i've got at least one processor at 100% all the time
[14:57] <insomninja> I think I found it: /usr/share/xmodmap
[14:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> which explains why ondemand won't scale down.
[14:57] <kitche> Daisuke_Laptop: my problem is that my ocmputer does not have a sensor so I get spammed by acpi :)
[14:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> found the problem
[14:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> evolution-mail-server was running for some reason
[14:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> taking up a whole ton of processor time
[14:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> *now* ondemand works properly :)
[15:01] <quanquan> hoh
[15:01] <zack1> kamicazi, are you still here?
[15:02] <bicyclis1> Hmm, firefox 3.0 doesn't seem to play any kind of windows media stream ?
[15:03] <quanquan> really
[15:04] <zack1> If anyone is having hardware problems like wireless not working I have fixed it, sort of. I wasn't able to use sound or wireless because the kernel was not working so I downgraded to 2.6.22-14-generic
[15:04] <zack1> you get download it here http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic and then install it. Once you boot up press esc to select which kernel you want to use and it should work. now i have wireless and sound!!!
[15:05] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:05] <BUGabundo> I have audio
[15:05] <BUGabundo> and have had most of the alphas and beta
[15:05] <BUGabundo> I still don't get why so many users are reporting probs with audio
[15:05] <zack1> I had audio and wireless in the last alpha but not with the newest kernel
[15:06] <dbmoodb> how safe is updating atm ? --- just want to check
[15:06] <BUGabundo> with WiFi I just have that HILOAD bug
[15:07] <dbmoodb> i think audio is related too restructed drivers..
[15:07] <dbmoodb> restricted  *
[15:09] <rexy_> hmm anyone else having trouble loading pulseaudio+bluetooth? pulseaudio keeps segfaulting
[15:09] <dbmoodb> i can try soon ... tomorrow for you
[15:10] <dbmoodb> -- any special things i should do ?
[15:17] <TheFool> Is there a specific place where I should address instalation issues with wubi and 8.04?
[15:18] <evand> TheFool: Please either file a bug against Wubi http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug or start a thread on the Wubi forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234
[15:18] <evand> the former is more direct than the latter
[15:19] <TheFool> evand: ok, I will check the forum first though to make sure it is not a known issue. Thanks for the links
[15:19] <evand> TheFool: thanks for filing bugs and making us aware of any issues.
[15:20] <m1r> hi all
[15:21] <m1r> can someone help with this wireless issue ? http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c
[15:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> so is pulseaudio used by default?
[15:22] <m1r> it was working out of box on 7.10 , but on 8.04 it just wont keep line conected . it drops conection after it conects like 2 seconds.
[15:22] <TheFool> Daisuke_Laptop: Yes
[15:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> TheFool: i just hadn't seen any reference to it
[15:23] <youngmusicorg> I just copied my ldap database to a hardy server. Ldap works as such, but an ldapsearch -x "uid=name" gives no result. Ldap is responding, but says the entry is not there. But i can use "slapcat -a "uid=name" and get the whole entry. Could this be an hardy issue or can't this have anything to do with the new release?
[15:32] <InYourBase> Does f-spot crash every time you quit for anyone else?
[15:33] <adinc> the network administration tool nm-applet doesn't allow me to select a network after i book, i need to change the ip adress or any other values so that it initializes the configuration. isn't there an easier way, like selecting on of the configurations?
[15:33] <Ng> InYourBase: not every time, but quite a few, yeah
[15:34] <NET||abuse> wow, anyone seen|use gnome-do ?? just saw some fun looking videos' on it.. looks interesting,,,
[15:34] <m1r> hy NET||abuse
[15:34] <InYourBase> NET||abuse, I do, it's alright
[15:34] <m1r> yes great app
[15:35] <InYourBase> The man page says there's a --quiet switch but it doesn't work for me.
[15:35] <NET||abuse> :) awsome, dissension,, i'm tired of everyone agree'ing that compiz rocks,,,, need a new point of contention ;)
[15:35] <m1r> InYourBase: i made launcehr in session and set: gnome-do --quiet, works fine
[15:35] <Dr_willis> i dont care much for compiz.. i did like the metesse (spelling?) id seen on the mandrive  disrto.
[15:36] <NET||abuse> any pre-install considerations for using it, or should i just install and play?
[15:36] <m1r> for gnome-do ?
[15:36] <NET||abuse> yeh
[15:36] <m1r> play ;)
[15:36] <NET||abuse> matesse,, i'd heard something about that.. haven't seen much else about it.
[15:36] <m1r> and set: gnome-do --quiet for launcher
[15:37] <NET||abuse> m1r, what's the best toy in it?
[15:37] <Dr_willis> NET||abuse,   The latest mandriva live cd can show it off. it has some neat features for what i 'like' :) but got a lot of features i have no idea why you would want to mess with them.
[15:37] <m1r> in gnome do ?
[15:37] <ionstorm> g'morning all, I need some advice, I was playing with my wifi dongle that is unknown that everyone says is not prism2 so I loaded up windows xp and loaded up prism2 driver, changed device id's and monitor mode worked and there is no linux ver is existence
[15:37] <m1r> program itself :)
[15:37] <NET||abuse> again... yeh, :P
[15:37] <m1r> type and see what it offer NET||abuse
[15:37] <ionstorm> I need to patch prism2usb.ko
[15:38] <ionstorm> where can I get the ubuntu source for prism2 driver to patch the device id
[15:38] <ionstorm> I have a 2wire card that is actually a Z-Com prism device
[15:38] <waylandbill> a little ot, but I see 'InYourBase' and can't help but to think that All Your Base Are Belong To Us. :)
[15:38] <m1r> inyourbase sounds like CTI game to me ;)
[15:39] <m1r> ionstorm: can u explain your problem please ?
[15:39] <m1r> it seem i also have p54usb problems
[15:39] <ionstorm> i have a 2wire that actually a Z-COM wlan-ng device
[15:40] <ionstorm> and I changed the device id in windows driver and it worked in xp, so now i know it is a prism device
[15:40] <NET||abuse> m1r, hmm,, does it assign a shortcut key to poping up the interface?
[15:40] <ionstorm> i need to find prism2 usb source
[15:40] <ionstorm> and recompile
[15:40] <m1r> i have siemens 54 usb that is accton chipset , works with prism on 7.10 but not on 8.04
[15:40] <m1r> win key + space NET||abuse
[15:41] <m1r> NET||abuse: type fff for firefox for example
[15:41] <NET||abuse> hmm, need docs on it.... seems fun,, but need something solid to use it
[15:42] <m1r> no docs needed :)
[15:42] <m1r> just type ;)
[15:42] <NET||abuse> m1r, i have a bunch of common tasks that would benefit from this program,,, google searches.. google search with define: prefix,, askoxford.com searches, wikipedia searches.. etc etc....
[15:43] <m1r> ah
[15:43] <NET||abuse> knew i'd find the weird angle to use this with ;) :P
[15:43] <m1r> for that config you will need some research, i use it now just for basic stuff
[15:43] <m1r> open docs , programs and such
[15:45] <NET||abuse> plugins' folder? eh... hmmmmm
[15:45] <NET||abuse> it doesn't open ?? :(
[15:46] <NET||abuse> m1r, anything i will need to do to make gnome-do run on startup?
[15:46] <NET||abuse> add command to system->prefs->session ?
[15:46] <NET||abuse> or is it in there somewhere already?
[15:46] <m1r> yes
[15:46] <m1r> u must add it
[15:46] <m1r> gnome-do --quiet
[15:48] <NET||abuse> gnome-do --quiet --mini i think i will use ;)
[15:48] <m1r> what is mini ?
[15:49] <NET||abuse> is it handy to just kill -9 [pid] on that gnome-do/Do.exe  processes?#
[15:49] <NET||abuse> that's unusual.. a ".exe"??
[15:49] <InYourBase> mono
[15:49] <NET||abuse> ug,,, right
[15:50] <NET||abuse> they're poisoning our playground
[15:54] <Pedantic-Steve> has anyone here installed VPNC in hardy successfully?  I install it from synaptic and when
[15:55] <Pedantic-Steve> i run it I get an error "failed to execute shild process"
[15:55] <Pedantic-Steve> *child
[15:56] <NET||abuse> hmm, this thing seems to default to creative commons search?? what gives?
[15:58] <lubosz> hi
[15:58] <lubosz> i have a serious x server problem after upgrading to hardy :(
[15:58] <lubosz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737154
[16:04] <bstock> am i the only one having smb issues after today's updates?
[16:06] <zniavre> bstock:  no i got worries too
[16:07] <adinc> after using network manager applet i've a new wireless device called wlan0:avahi, where is this comming from?
[16:08] <bstock> avahi i think is the little network manager applet
[16:08] <adinc> bstock: but why does it do this? although the wireless device doesn't work, since it is a iwl3945
[16:09] <bstock> i dunno, i just run hardy on my desktop
[16:13] <RoC_MasterMind> Anybody found a solution for making fail2ban work under Ubuntu, whose syslog compresses the log by saying "last line repeated x times" which fail2ban doesn't parse?
[16:15] <rexy_> RoC_MasterMind, cant put a sed pipe in between to filter it out?
[16:15] <RoC_MasterMind> are you asking if I can put something in syslog or fail2ban?
[16:17] <RoC_MasterMind> problem is fail2ban doesn't look for that, and apparently bsd syslog can have compression turned off, but not linux syslog.  this means fail2ban fails to protect as stated because as linux syslog.  unfortunately as well syslog-ng doesn't do compression, but cannot install that without rbeaking ubuntu system.
[16:17] <DanaG> Oh hey, I finally managed to get surround on my Audigy with PulseAudio.
[16:17] <DanaG> I had to change "default sample size" to 6 channels.
[16:19] <rexy_> RoC_MasterMind, i mean manipulating the syslog file before it is read by fail2ban
[16:19] <RoC_MasterMind> that's not really a solution
[16:19] <RoC_MasterMind> ideally the best thing is for fail2ban to understand this, 2nd is for syslog to be able to have compression turned off
[16:20] <rexy_> well it's not an ideal solution no, cant configure syslog either?
[16:22] <RoC_MasterMind> sounds like it doesn't support that feature
[16:22] <RoC_MasterMind> I'd be happy to be wrong though
[16:28] <nikrud> I'm getting a high pitched, 'de de de de de' when I suspend and resume using the laptop lid, but not when I use the suspend button. Any suggestions on troubleshooting?
[16:29] <DanaG> That's likely the "suspend failed" sound.
[16:29] <DanaG> For some reason, it must be thinking it's failed to suspend, even though it worked.
[16:29] <hwilde> I have a thinkpad and it lets you disable those types of alarms in the bios
[16:29] <hwilde> there is one for power state changed - very annoying
[16:30] <nikrud> totally new alert, I've had this for a year and had failed suspends, but no sound before. But it's a path to follow, thanks
[16:33] <warrend> hi
[16:33] <warrend> is it possible to upgrade to gutsy with the hardy cd, so without internet?
[16:34] <joakim-> yes but not recommended
[16:34] <warrend> how?
[16:34] <RoC_MasterMind> that doesn't seem possible
[16:34] <warrend> it's because i don't want to downlaod again what's on the cd
[16:34] <joakim-> read the howto link in topic
[16:35] <joakim-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-7311a7de9fdf1ca310c6937460c0a9d33f54279d
[16:37] <RoC_MasterMind> he didn't say from gutsy with the hardy cd, he said to gutsy with the hardy cd
[16:37] <RoC_MasterMind> suggesting he has an earlier than gutsy release
[16:41] <perlmonkey2> I'm looking for the heron roadmap to see what goodies are coming, but the wiki doens't appear to have it.
[16:45] <perlmonkey2> IC, the beta has a package list.  I guess Perl5.10 didn't make it.
[16:45] <clarezoe> anyone can help me? I can't move my windows when using compiz
[16:46] <flipstar> use alt+f7
[16:46] <flipstar> then hit enter
[16:47] <clarezoe> flipstar, nothing happens
[16:47] <flipstar> did you have the plugin enabled ?
[16:47] <flipstar> 'move windows'
[16:48] <clarezoe> flipstar, I'll check ,one moment pls
[16:48] <sourcemaker> I am testing the new kubuntu beta version... do I need a clean fresh install when the official release is out...
[16:48] <sourcemaker> or is the update still enough?
[16:49] <clarezoe> flipstar, it works, thanks
[16:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> resume from suspend and sound is lost
[16:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> which mod should i load for sound?
[16:51] <aanderse> did anyone who is running hardy beta just upgrade their liferea package?
[16:52] <bkoch> I have an apple cinema display and when I enable the nvidia restricted drivers the screen goes blank and appears to go to standby right before the gdm.  Works fine with 'nv' drivers have tried different modelines and whatnot.  Open to do all kinds of troubleshooting
[16:53] <aanderse> bkoch: out of curiosity, is that the 30 inch display?
[16:53] <perlmonkey2> Why would perl 5.10 not be included in 8.04?
[16:53] <bkoch> no i wish, its the 23 inch display
[16:54] <bkoch> using a dvi to adc adapter, done a lot of searching and there used to be a but similar that had been resolved, tried different modelines and xorg.conf configs to no avail
[16:56] <aanderse> ah
[16:57] <nikrud> perlmonkey2 debian import freeze was in the middle of december, so probably because perl 5.10 hadn't made it to unstable there
[16:57] <nikrud> s/there/then/
[17:00] <bkoch> I may get it to work if there is a command that will stop the monitor from going into standby
[17:00] <perlmonkey2> nikrud: duh, forgot the freeze was so long ago.  That makes perfect sense :)
[17:02] <minimec> The new hardy xserver stuff is a nightmare with my ati 9600 mobile... I have a 50% chance that gdm freezes when I logout!!! Shame on ATI! I thaught I can change restart/reload options of gdm in /etc/gdm/gdm custom.conf. But somehow I don't see the option ...
[17:03] <flipstar> hi, can ufw block certain applications ?
[17:06] <lubosz> how can i start runlevel 3 without starting the x server?
[17:06] <Kamicazi> Does anyone have any ideas why lshw doesn't even find any hardware
[17:08] <magnetron> Kamicazi: so lshw doesn't find any hardware whatsoever?
[17:09] <DanaG> hmm, here's something random: apparently the Cardbus Audigy doesn't actually have an emu10k1 chip in it!
[17:10] <DanaG> It has a "CA0109-1AG" chip.
[17:10] <nikrud> Kamicazi are you running it with sudo?
[17:10] <DanaG> I just opened (rather inelegantly) the top of the card, because I just had to satisfy my curiosity.
[17:11] <nikrud> lubosz there is no run level 3 in the redhat sense, you'd need to change runlevel3 (turning off gdm) to get that effect
[17:11] <Kamicazi> nikrud, yes I am
[17:11] <nikrud> there goes my fix ;)
[17:11] <pen> Why murrine theme is so slow?
[17:12] <Kamicazi> lshw just stops at "PCI (sysfs)"
[17:12] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to try to make ALSA use the ca0106 driver instead?
[17:12] <lubosz> nikrud: the problem is that the x server crashes on boot :D
[17:13] <nikrud> lubosz, alt-f2 doesn't get you a console to work in?
[17:13] <lubosz> nikrud: no, the whole system crashes, only alt+print+b helps
[17:13] <nikrud> lubosz boot in recovery mode (hit escape at the loading grub info, if you don't see a menu)
[17:14] <lubosz> nikrud: i can get in single user mode, but its runlevel 1
[17:14] <Kamicazi> lubosz I've never heard of alt+print+b what is that used for?
[17:14] <lubosz> nikrud: and i need either networking or runlevel 3 to install other gfx drivers
[17:14] <lubosz> Kamicazi: its the master reset
[17:14] <DanaG> google for "magic sysrq"
[17:14] <Kamicazi> Ah ok thanks
[17:14] <DanaG> "b" alone is bad.
[17:14] <lubosz> Kamicazi: its in all debian based systems
[17:15] <nikrud> lubosz at that point, rename /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm to  to K30gdm , and then exit. You'll continue to a networked system without X
[17:15] <DanaG> You should REISUB  (renice, terminate, kill all, sync, unmount, boot) if necessary.
[17:15] <DanaG> But alt-sysrq-k alone can kill just X.
[17:15] <lubosz> nikrud: thanx, i try that
[17:15] <nikrud> lubosz rename back when you're done (or do DanaG 's thing, more elegant)
[17:16] <lubosz> nikrud: hm, i prefer manual hacks, but the magic sysrq is the secound option, thx :)
[17:16] <lubosz> xfix doesnt work either... (hardy)
[17:17] <lubosz> oh, im in the +1 chan, k its hardy ^
[17:19] <Solarion> when suspending to ram, what is the sequence of events?
[17:19]  * Solarion needs to figure out when his sdcard is getting horked
[17:21] <mrtimdog> How do you change the grey background of aptitude to black?
[17:22] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with bluetooth disconnecting after screen saver activates?
[17:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, instead of renaming stuff to disable it, you can chmod it -x.
[17:24] <nikrud> mrtimdog you'd set up a style for aptitude, man aptitude /customizing text will show you the format
[17:24]  * DanaG doesn't remember what time c r i m s u n is usually active  (spacing out name since I don't need immediate response)
[17:26] <mrtimdog> Thanks nikrud
[17:27] <nikrud> DanaG heh. he doesn't appreciate constant pings does he :)
[17:27] <tiax> are there no debootstrap-scripts for hardy yet?
[17:27] <tiax> I tried 1.0.8 both .tar.gz and .deb (dated january or something) but there's either no hardy script at all or it's plain empty
[17:27] <nikrud> DanaG but iirc he shows up mostly early evening american east coast time
[17:28] <DanaG> Aah.  I'm in pacific time, so that works handily.  Do you know what timezone he's actually in?
[17:28] <DanaG> I'm mostly just curious.
[17:29] <nikrud> DanaG east coast :)
[17:30] <DanaG> Aah.  (since "he shows up east coast time" could be "he shows up in his morning, in [my/your] east coast time")
[17:30] <nikrud> DanaG true. I'm pacific myself
[17:30] <DanaG> Same here.
[17:36] <mrtimdog> GMT here :)
[17:39] <adinc> how can i have the harddisc icons shown on the desktop?
[17:40] <jimiridge> the few the proud... the hardy heron users
[17:41] <DanaG> When I get my next laptop, I am definitely going to get a case sticker of the Heron for it.
[17:42] <Leerok> I love Ubuntu!
[17:42] <Leerok> It comes with VNC and remote desktop!
[17:42] <jimiridge> i have hardy running on three machines here
[17:43] <tanner__> erm, the light is not your friend
[17:43] <jimiridge> server on one
[17:43] <savvas> I need a bit more eyecandy in order to make me advertise heron :P
[17:43] <savvas> grub loader and the usplash could use some pimping
[17:44]  * nikrud puts logos on nothing. (might reconsider if a really good logo appears someday)
[17:44] <Kamicazi> Does anyone know why lshw will not load any devices
[17:44] <jimiridge> used the alternative hardy installer on my laptop <encrypted root>
[17:44] <DanaG> That's the thing about the Heron: it's not actually a logo!
[17:44] <savvas> Kamicazi: what does it say?
[17:45] <Kamicazi> It says just "PCI (sysfs)"
[17:45] <Kamicazi> and its like it just freezes
[17:45] <savvas> Kamicazi: sudo aptitude reinstall lshw pciutils usbutils libc6 libgcc1 libstdc++6
[17:47] <jimiridge> gota wait a few sec
[17:47] <adinc> when i klick to network manager icon in the top pannel i only get manual configuration, can some help me fixing this to his normal state so it allows me selecting wirless etc
[17:48] <Kamicazi> savvas its still doing the same thing
[17:49] <savvas> Kamicazi: open a new terminal and type: sudo lshw
[17:50] <mcquaid> i have a beta box that hard crashes about 1-2 a day.  doesnt seem to matter if the system is stressed or idle
[17:50] <magnetron> i run gutsy with kqemu installed as a kernel module. will it surely break when i upgrade to hardy?
[17:50] <mcquaid> i noticed these errors in daemon.log anna gdm[6487]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!
[17:51] <mcquaid> when it crashes i can't ping ssh and sysrq reisub doesn't respond
[17:52] <savvas> adinc: menu system > administration > network > unlock > (select your connection) > properties > check enable roaming mode > ok > close  - then log out and log back in, check if that fixed it
[17:52] <_Shade_> hi there
[17:53] <_Shade_> how do i enable nvidia restricted drivers in hardy (kubuntu)
[17:53] <mcquaid> my computer last crashed at 1:18 but i see nothing in any logs with that time stamp
[17:54] <savvas> mcquaid: report it along with the logs in /var/log/ such as like syslog dmesg messages
[17:54] <Kamicazi> still the same thing savvas
[17:54] <adinc> savvas: selam, it says that the configuration could not be saved
[17:54] <jimiridge> ugh the samme way you would regularly mcquaid
[17:54] <savvas> Kamicazi: last suggestion is to give it a reboot and try again, although i don't expect it to work, but try :)
[17:54] <mcquaid> jimiridge, the same way what?
[17:55] <mcquaid> i see there is a bug on the gdm thing here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/200841
[17:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200841 in gdm "gdm[5020]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down!" [Medium,Incomplete]
[17:55] <jimiridge> install restricted driver
[17:55] <mcquaid> i didn't ask that, it was _Shade_
[17:55] <savvas> mcquaid: well try to provide some more info on that bug :)
[17:56] <savvas> lspci and lsusb are also valuable outputs
[17:56] <adinc> strange it says i'm not allowed to change system configuration
[17:56] <mcquaid> ya that bug is kind of vague.  not sure if it's severe or not.    just trying to find any errors in lgos that could give me a clue
[17:56] <savvas> adinc: did you hit unlock?
[17:56] <adinc> sure
[17:57] <adinc> and it is unlocked
[17:57] <mcquaid> i'm also getting anna modprobe: WARNING: Error running install command for nvidia repeatedly
[17:57] <mcquaid> there isn't a nvidia card in this box
[17:57] <savvas> hm..
[17:57] <_Shade_> jimiridge: i did so but i cannot turn it on in jockey
[17:57] <savvas> I get the same thing lol
[17:57] <mcquaid> and /etc/init.d/gdm restart can hang and then finally start
[17:57] <savvas> adinc: are you going to report that? :)
[17:57] <adinc> savvas: ;)
[17:58] <adinc> savvas: i don't know, i've seen so many bug reports that are more importent and still open
[17:58] <savvas> adinc: i'll go then :p
[17:58] <adinc> ok
[17:58] <DanaG> I've been getting random hard lockups when under heavy disk+gpu activity, even in Windows.
[17:58] <adinc> savvas: are you turkish?
[17:58] <DanaG> Then again, all the times I've had lockups, I've also been playing a game or music with my add-in sound card.  Perhaps that's to blame -- especially since the hangs themselves will be with looping audio.
[18:00] <savvas> adinc: nope
[18:00] <adinc> your name sounds turkish
[18:01] <mcquaid> this is the only thing i've found timestamped at the time of the crash
[18:01] <mcquaid> anna /USR/SBIN/CRON[10079]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[18:01] <mcquaid> but it's the cron jobs... who knows which one it could be
[18:02] <nikrud> mcquaid try running each manually
[18:02] <mcquaid> heh good idea,
[18:02] <Pici> Check in /etc/cron.hourly/
[18:02]  * nikrud hugs his incredibly generic hardware and ubuntu
[18:03] <m1r> i have problem with wlan usb adapter droping out on conection, it is using prism54usb and it is siemens54 usb, but it detects as Accton. http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c . any help appriciated. tnx
[18:03] <mcquaid> hmm daily and hourly are identical
[18:04] <mcquaid> nikrud, i've never run cron jobs manually before.  do i just execute them?  not sure if they are passed any arguements when run
[18:05] <nikrud> mcquaid no arguments
[18:07] <mcquaid> ok
[18:07] <mcquaid> it's hanging on running apt
[18:07] <mcquaid> not the crash just running
[18:08] <justAtempNick> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:09] <nikrud> mcquaid there's some sleep stuff in there (I glanced at the script, not going to parse the whole thing today ;)
[18:09] <mcquaid> :)
[18:09] <mcquaid> i killed it and continue
[18:09] <mcquaid> d
[18:10] <mcquaid> well, ran them all successfully.  but these are run hourly anyway, it doesn't lock everyhour
[18:10] <adinc> can i have harddiscs shown on the desktop?
[18:12] <mcquaid> found one more thing with the same time stamp
[18:12] <mcquaid> 13:17:01 anna CRON[10078]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
[18:12] <mcquaid> seems to be related to cron. not sure what pam_unix is
[18:13] <mcquaid> but that seems to happen frequently in the logs without issue...
[18:13] <justAtempNick> I've changed from th.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to sg.archive... and I'm getting some of the missing files, but many are still missing, what's up with the mirrors?
[18:14] <nikrud> justAtempNick they haven't propagated from archive.ubuntu.com yet
[18:15] <jimiridge> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluggable_Authentication_Modules
[18:15] <nikrud> pam=potentially awful misery
[18:17] <mcquaid> heh
[18:19] <DanaG> My next laptop will probably have a SmartCard reader.... I'd love to see what I can do with such a device.
[18:25]  * tanner__ still hasnt managed to get his smart card reader setup
[18:38] <enver555> hi
[18:38] <enver555> I have a problem with Hardy on my Thinkpad
[18:38] <enver555> it didn't suspend or hibernate
[18:39] <enver555> and it shutdown
[18:39] <enver555> but I tutorial for making suspend/hibernating works
[18:40] <enver555> and now I only can shutdown from button
[18:40] <enver555> not from KDE
[18:40] <enver555> anyone can help me?
[18:41] <rexy_> enver555, you're saying hiberante/suspend does or doesnt work?
[18:41] <enver555> it didn't work
[18:41] <enver555> but now yes
[18:41] <melanarchy> is there a guide for diagnosing pulseaudio problems?
[18:42] <jester7> anybody here with an ati x1250?
[18:42] <enver555> but it don't shutdown from KDE menu
[18:42] <enver555> only from laptop button
[18:42] <enver555> you press about one secord and it shutdown
[18:43] <enver555> and I want to shutdown from KDE menu
[18:45] <whiteda> I am running hardy Alpha updated to Beta and last night my update gave me liferea 1.4.14 ... liferea has not worked since... It tries to open then stops - no error message no nothing,  I don't have any output to put in a bug report.  Should I just wait till the next version?
[18:45] <enver555> I updated all
[18:45] <enver555> I see acpi configurations
[18:47] <mcquaid> it just crashed again. but i did sysrq reisub in time, rebooting now
[18:48] <mcquaid> hopefully there will be something more in the logs
[18:49] <tehknow> can someone help me get a dual monitor setup working on hardy, I have an nvidia geforce 6200 AGP
[18:50] <tehknow> and 2 monitors, 1 vga and 1 dvi
[18:50] <tehknow> it was working on gutsy, then I accidentaly changed the video driver on the update to hardy, which messed it up
[18:51] <tehknow> I have to logout brb
[18:52] <afuchs> ok, why are the kubuntu-desktop packages pulling postfix in?
[18:53] <afuchs> (ie if a user goes to install "kubuntu-desktop" it installs postfix because some package recommends it)
[19:04] <DanaG> Argh, damn hard-lockups!
[19:04] <Assid> wassup
[19:05] <Kevin_b_er> I don't suppose anyone would know much about SATA?  LiveCD boot for the new beta is crashing itself trying to access my SATA drive.
[19:05] <bhsx> hola....  hey, i left my laptop on for about 4 hours while i was gone... came back and wireless seems to have shut itself off....   'modprobe iwl3945' SHOULD get it back right? (cuz it didn't seem to work, but i haven't used CLI on linux for a year or so[forgetful])
[19:06] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: which SATA driver/chip?
[19:06] <bhsx> cuz mine was recognized by hardy just fine... even though you have to jump through hoops to get windows installed on it
[19:06] <Kevin_b_er> bhsx I understand your question, but I'm not sure which it is
[19:07] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: you are dual-booting i assume, since you're using the livecd?
[19:08] <Kevin_b_er> yeah
[19:08] <bhsx> go into windows hardware devices and take notes on what you have...  your questions will be much easier to answer that way
[19:09] <bhsx> sorry to make you boot to win for that... but you really gotta know what's in your box, so you can make sure it's all supported
[19:10] <Kevin_b_er> Oh it worked just fine with 7.10
[19:10] <bhsx> ah
[19:11] <bhsx> did you check the cd?  you know that option to make sure the CD image isn't corrupted at the boot screen?
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> yeah that one crashes it too
[19:11] <bhsx> heh
[19:11] <bhsx> guess what?
[19:11] <bhsx> bad cd
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> verifies
[19:11] <Kevin_b_er> I'm having a hard time believing 3 CDs are bad
[19:11] <bhsx> oh i thought you said it crashes on the verification
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> it doesn't make it to the verification application
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> it dumps me to a nice busybox (initramfs) console
[19:12] <bhsx> did you re-download?  or just keep burning the same image?
[19:12] <bhsx> your DL may be corrupted
[19:12] <jessica> is there any way to change your passwro with out knowing it in linux as its not accsepting my password when it type sudo
[19:12] <Kevin_b_er> Same image, MD5 is fine and so is the torrent hash
[19:12] <bhsx> do an MD5..
[19:12] <bhsx> oh nvm
[19:13] <bhsx> well, then you gotta find-out which chipset you're dealin with
[19:13] <bhsx> i guess noone has an answer to my wifi Q...
[19:14] <bhsx> jessica, you can change it with a liveCD... but it's a lil complicated if you're not used to that sort of thing
[19:15] <bhsx> or IIRC, you can go to run level 1 and change the root password there
[19:15] <Kevin_b_er> well the SATA is out of a VIA VT8251 southbridge
[19:15] <jessica> i had gutsy and upgraded to hardy using the update tool so i only have the gutsy disk will that matter
[19:15] <bhsx> nah
[19:15] <jessica> thanks i will try it
[19:15] <bhsx> i dont remember the whole process off the top of my head, but google for a guide
[19:16] <bhsx> it's not as simple as booting and changing the password
[19:16] <bhsx> you need to do a bit of 'hacking'
[19:16] <bhsx> but let me look-up the RL1 thing i said
[19:16] <Kevin_b_er> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/southbridge/vt8251/ <-- yeah there's my chip
[19:17] <bhsx> http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub
[19:17] <bhsx> ^^jessica^^
[19:17] <jessica> thanks
[19:17] <bhsx> np gl
[19:18] <bhsx> Kevin_b_er: that should definately be supported....
[19:18] <Kevin_b_er> yeah
[19:19] <Kevin_b_er> I think there's a bug
[19:19] <bhsx> yeah
[19:19] <bhsx> first google hit
[19:19] <bhsx> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2006-June/017402.html
[19:19] <bhsx> you'll have to wait it out me thinks
[19:19] <bhsx> sorry mang
[19:19] <bhsx> but crap... that's from 06
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> yeah, and it works in 7.10
[19:20] <bhsx> that's 2 year-old HW...   if that bugs not fixed by now that's just sad
[19:20] <bhsx> maybe it just slipped-throught the cracks
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> Regression
[19:20] <bhsx> send a report
[19:20] <bhsx> and hope it makes it in
[19:20] <Kevin_b_er> yeah :\
[19:20] <bhsx> unless you really feel like compiling
[19:21] <Kevin_b_er> not an entire kernel
[19:21] <Kevin_b_er> heh
[19:21] <bhsx> my god, i haven't done a kernel compile in like 2 years
[19:21] <bhsx> at least
[19:21] <bhsx> actually... i might do one just to see how fast it compiles on a dual-core :)
[19:21] <bhsx> last compile i did prolly took about 1:15
[19:22] <bhsx> i'd bet it's more like 10 minutes now
[19:22] <Kevin_b_er> yeah sure
[19:22] <bhsx>  /no clue
[19:22] <bhsx>  /guessing
[19:22] <Kevin_b_er> And in 2 years things have gotten more complex
[19:23] <bhsx> yeah, true...
[19:23] <Kevin_b_er> So you're probably still looking at at least an hour
[19:23] <bhsx> but the HW is soo much faster
[19:23] <Kevin_b_er> And the optimizations are so much more complicated ;)
[19:23] <bhsx> i'll have to do one later
[19:23] <bhsx> just to see
[19:23] <bhsx> i bet you're closer to correct than i am though
[19:24] <bhsx> i remember doin a compile on (i think it was) sourceforge servers....   took like 12 minutes... i dont think they still offer that service though
[19:25] <Kevin_b_er> Do you know how get anything out of the initramfs so I can log some errors?
[19:25] <bhsx> i dont remember off the top of my head, no
[19:27] <Kevin_b_er> I definitately can't write to my ext2 partition, since that's on SATA
[19:27] <jimiridge> ugh dunno why but aircraqck doesnt want to work with my device anymore
[19:28] <PaulM> moving the question over here... where did the compiz settings menu go? it used to be in "system->preferences"
[19:28] <lufis> Dumb question: has anyone had any terrible malfunctioning in the newest beta?
[19:28] <jimiridge> in airmon-ng  driver -> rtl8187     ERROR: Neither the sysfs interface links nor the iw command is available.
[19:28] <jimiridge> Please download and install iw from http://git.sipsolutions.net/iw.git
[19:28] <lufis> last time i tried the alpha xorg was a mess
[19:28] <jimiridge> :P
[19:29] <Kevin_b_er> lufis: I can't boot the liveCD ;)
[19:29] <lufis> Kevin_b_er: Wonderful ;)
[19:29] <Kevin_b_er> I call that terrible malfunctioning :P
[19:29] <lufis> maybe i'll wait until final release...
[19:29] <jimiridge> lufis, check topic
[19:29] <bhsx> PaulM: system>pref>appearence
[19:30] <bhsx> last tab is visual effects
[19:30] <PaulM> I only see "none, normal, or extra"
[19:30] <PaulM> where do I do detailed config on it?
[19:30] <bhsx> if you mean compiz-manager... you need to install it... it's not installed by default
[19:30] <nikrud> PaulM still is, you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed? If so, right click menu and see if the menu item is disabled
[19:30] <PaulM> ooh, gotta install the settings manager
[19:30] <bhsx> yup
[19:30] <jimiridge> compizconfig-manager or something to that effect
[19:30] <PaulM> ah thanks.
[19:30] <bhsx> np
[19:30] <jimiridge> search apt for compiz you'll find it
[19:31] <nikrud> PaulM ccsm doesn't show up in the appearance dialog anymore, it's only on the menu
[19:33] <bhsx> grr... i just rebooted and my wifi still isn't working....  booting into XP to test the HW......
[19:34] <bhsx> it was working when i left... and has been for a couple days.... and i didn't change anything :/
[19:34] <bhsx> of course i'm using wifi-radar... because nm-applet is borked
[19:35] <bhsx> although... does nm-applet get upgraded with gnome-utils?
[19:35] <jimiridge> what card is it
[19:35] <bhsx> it's internal intel... iwl3945
[19:35] <bhsx> VERY supported
[19:36] <sourcemaker> does somebody knows by now the official release date for the next kubuntu release
[19:36] <bhsx> i'm guess 4/20  :)
[19:38] <sourcemaker> bhsx: It's a pity. I would like to upgrade to the next kubuntu release because of the nice feature of an encrypted file system... Can I install the BETA and update to the official release without a fresh clean install?
[19:39] <PaulM> for what it's worth, I had problems upgrading from alpha to beta, but I imagine beta->release is probably less likely to break
[19:39] <bhsx> sourcemaker: usually i dont even bother with a "clean" install.... it's only happenned to me once with ubuntu that i had to grab the final release... usually just a dist-upgrade will get you to the new release
[19:40] <bhsx> and that was like 6.04
[19:40] <sourcemaker> bhsx: ok nice... because with the upgrade from feisty to gusty I have had a lot of problems :-)
[19:41] <nightwonderer> got a ? im trying to install wine and its telling me i dont have the right sources
[19:41] <bhsx> a lot of it depends on whether or not you used third-party repositories that go against ubuntu conventions
[19:41] <m1r> sourcemaker, yes u can
[19:42] <foldart> nightwonderer: universe isn't enabled by default: System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[19:42] <nightwonderer> ty
[19:42] <benpicco> Hi, will there be UDF 2.5 (or even 2.6) support in hardy?
[19:42] <sourcemaker> m1r: year... greate guys... :-)
[19:42] <DanaG> Argh, it seems like NOTHING stops my hard drive from unloading its heads.
[19:42] <DanaG> Neither -B 255 nor -B 254 works.
[19:42] <jimiridge> call me old fashioned but nano /etc/apt/sources.list  is how i'd do it
[19:43] <bhsx> k, i gotta run for a while...   bbl tonight
[19:43] <bhsx> have fun
[19:43] <whoop> anybody using amarok under hardy gnome?
[19:44] <whoop> I want to add audio cd tracks to my existing playlist (mp3's)... but It don't work :-(
[19:44] <nightwonderer> where is it at under sorfware sources
[19:44] <nightwonderer> third party software?
[19:45] <DanaG> Argh, that load cycle issue is so annoying!
[19:45] <sourcemaker> m1r: Linux is still the best operation system... :-) I know... that I can create an textfile with all installed software components in apt... It is possible to migrate this list to the current beta software 8.4 or will this break my system?
[19:45] <PaulM> anyone know offhand if the compiz settings manager was updated since the last alpha such that the profiles work in anything like a semi-decent fashion?
[19:46] <nightwonderer> it shows my universe repositories as already checked
[19:46] <nightwonderer> so they should be working right?
[19:47] <Laney> Does anyone have a problem with not being able to boot into X using virt-manager (qemu) VMs?
[19:50] <nightwonderer> anyone help me with trying to enable the universe repositories?
[19:50] <jimiridge> i think its high time i reinstall
[19:51] <Turski> nightwonderer: maybe you shuold have read the topic...
[19:51] <nightwonderer> well sorry i would like to try out the new beta
[19:52] <jimiridge> nightwonderer,  whynot just "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and read through uncomment what you want
[19:53] <DanaG> Argh, I can't get my hard drive not to unload its heads, and things keep waking up the drive.
[19:53] <PaulM> powertop is useful for helping diagnose some of those things
[19:53] <PaulM> just generally useful, too
[19:53] <DanaG> Click........................................................................................click............................................................................click.....................................................click..................................................
[19:53] <DanaG> It's like a kid who keeps opening and closing the fridge repeatedly.
[19:54] <amon__> hi guys, i was wondering why my laptop is able to hibernate but cannot suspend
[19:54] <DanaG> Or something like that.
[19:54] <k3ks> hi, i've got a question
[19:55] <Turski> does someone have problems with newesti kde4?
[19:55] <k3ks> what is the name of the program to change screen settings in hardy?
[19:55] <Turski> i get just black screen with report that says that plasma crashed
[19:55] <k3ks> it seems as if it's not installed but i need it
[19:56] <k3ks> Turski: i had that problem too, with feisty
[19:56] <Turski> is there solution?
[19:56] <k3ks> don't know
[19:57] <k3ks> i'll think i won't use kde4 soon so i doesn't care
[19:57] <DanaG> Another strange thing regarding hard drives: even if I set spindown time to 5 seconds, it simply never spins down.
[19:57] <k3ks> but i need that programm to change screenresolution and do splitscreen
[19:57] <Turski> heh, i have that feeling too :)
[19:58] <nightwonderer> when i enable the universe repositories it give me a error saying it cant find em
[19:58] <DanaG> Oddly enough, if I manually spin down the hard drive, it stays spun down for actually a rather long time.
[20:02] <k3ks> i'm missing the administration tool for the screen
[20:02] <The-Compiler> Hi
[20:02] <k3ks> is not in the menu
[20:02] <chapocero> i think its under preferences
[20:02] <k3ks> what is it's name
[20:02]  * DanaG left the room (quit: "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!").
[20:02] <chapocero> Screen Resolution?
[20:02] <DanaG> Anybody get the reference?
[20:02] <The-Compiler> I can't install hardy, i get a write error. The CD is newly created, and the HDD should be intact.
[20:03] <k3ks> no, not only screen resolution
[20:03] <k3ks> but the graphic card and splitscreen and stuff
[20:03] <chapocero> The-Compiler: maybe try a different copy of the cd, or install using a 7.10 cd then upgrade from there
[20:04] <The-Compiler> chapocero: I'm downloading 7.10 right now
[20:05] <The-Compiler> btw: What would happen, if I download the ISO (~600MB) in the live system to the desktop, but only with 512kb ram?
[20:05] <chapocero> hmmm... theres only one way to find out, i reckon!
[20:05] <k3ks> The-Compiler: you mean MB? do you have a swap partition?
[20:06] <nightwonderer> this isnt worth it if u guys are not willinto fucking help ppl out with their issues
[20:06] <The-Compiler> k3ks: let's say no :P (it only interests me, I've downloaded it to a vfat-partition)
[20:06] <nightwonderer> why even make a bullshit topic like that
[20:06] <The-Compiler> yeah, I mean MB :D
[20:06] <jussi01> !ohmy | nightwonderer
[20:06] <ubotu> nightwonderer: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:06] <nightwonderer> well its kinda bogus
[20:06] <nightwonderer> now i get spoken to
[20:07] <jussi01> nightwonderer: what is the exact error it gives you?
[20:07] <Yazan> Hello, how can i check if my graphic card is good enough to work with ubuntu?
[20:07] <DanaG> clickitty clicketty click.
[20:07] <jussi01> !hardware | Yazan
[20:07] <ubotu> Yazan: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:07] <nightwonderer> cant find the repositories for universe or others
[20:08] <nightwonderer> they are enabled
[20:08] <nightwonderer> at least it says they are
[20:08] <Lamego> nightwonderer, there is no such message as "cant find the repositories", where you able to find the repositories and enable them athe the software properties ?
[20:08] <nightwonderer> they was already checked to be enabled
[20:09] <nightwonderer> and after i did a apt-get update
[20:09] <Yazan> No, i was asking how can i check whats my graphics card?
[20:09] <nightwonderer> and it says it cant dl then
[20:09] <nightwonderer> them*
[20:09] <nightwonderer> link me to a pastebin
[20:09] <nightwonderer> ill show u
[20:09] <jussi01> nightwonderer: try going and changing your mirror
[20:09] <Lamego> ! pastebin
[20:09] <jussi01> !paste
[20:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:09] <PeterEH> argh my kubuntu hardy torrent is at 97.8% and stopped with no seeds ..
[20:10] <Yazan> How can i check my computers gfx card?
[20:10] <Yazan> on windows
[20:10] <jepler> Yazan: in Linux, one or more lines from "lspci" will represent your video card.  In various versions of Windows, there is a Hardware control panel which will show what hardware you have, including video card.
[20:10] <jepler> Yazan: but this is not a channel to ask "how do I use windows" in
[20:11] <nightwonderer> nvm i did apt update and now its getting them
[20:11] <nightwonderer> odd
[20:11] <jussi01> !yay | nightwonderer
[20:11] <ubotu> nightwonderer: Glad you made it! :-)
[20:12] <nightwonderer> sorry bout that but yay i got 24k sources now
[20:12] <nightwonderer> ty guys
[20:12] <Yazan> jepler: you see, I'm trying to see whats my video card like so I can use ubuntu without problems
[20:12] <nightwonderer> and the topic is kinda mean btw
[20:12] <nightwonderer> how hard was that to help me?
[20:12] <Yazan> since I am facing a problem when running ubuntu of a CD, the top part of the screen turns black
[20:13] <nightwonderer> thank god for pidgin doing irc
[20:13] <Yazan> I can't move my mouse to the top part of the screen
[20:13] <davisc> Great. My new hardy install is hanging every half hour or so. Can ssh in and see X is taking 100% CPU but nothing else >:-(
[20:13] <Yazan> because it turns black. Thats when running ubuntu of a live CD
[20:14] <jepler> Yazan: the boot screen of the Hardy live cd allows you to choose resolution and maybe a "safe video mode"; you should explore these options.  read the onscreen prompts when you first boot.
[20:14] <Yazan> ok. I will go try that now
[20:14] <Yazan> thanks
[20:14] <Yazan> brb
[20:14] <DanaG> wtf?  btrace gets stuck!
[20:15] <DanaG> It'll stop showing anything, and then only show what was stacking up when you press ctrl-c.
[20:15] <DanaG> Then it eats CPU scrolling madly.
[20:15] <jimmygoon> Is anyone else's VLC ... not working right :/
[20:15] <jimmygoon> maybe its just on ogg's still
[20:23] <PaulM> anyone know off-hand if a more elegent fix for the thinkpad brightness buttons exists than editing the .sh files that are called on those events to fake the keys that they should be?
[20:24] <orvokki> PaulM: Are we talking of a bug, btw?
[20:24] <grockit> Is anybody having issues with the mysql-server package?
[20:25] <PaulM> orvokki: well, what I know is that they worked in stable and don't work in the latest beta
[20:25] <riot> heya
[20:25] <orvokki> PaulM: Might still be a bug in beta.
[20:25] <PaulM> hitting the hotkey triggers the UI for the brightness change, but does not actually change the backlight
[20:25] <riot> why does dpkg-reconfigure not ask me about my gpu and related stuff?
[20:26] <riot> (after upgrading to hardy, my xorg just crashes)
[20:26] <PaulM> orvokki: that's what I figured, hence the question about a more elegent workaround...
[20:27] <orvokki> PaulM: That is, if it is a bug, you should look into reporting it. ^^
[20:27] <orvokki> Otherwise it might still be there in Hardy final.
[20:27] <riot> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg actually FORGETS to add my gpu to the xorg.conf.. why that?
[20:29] <stani> Anyone using Hardy on an IBM Thinkpad X30 or similar?
[20:29] <PaulM> orvokki: I believe there is a bug open about it (there was last time I looked)
[20:29] <PaulM> I'm using it on an x61
[20:29] <orvokki> Ah, right. Well, I don't know the workaround so I'll just depart the convo then.
[20:29] <PaulM> no worries
[20:30] <stani> PaulM: Do you also have the problem when you close the laptop lid that the screens stays blank and the laptop does not react to the keyboard?
[20:31] <PaulM> I did have that problem
[20:31] <PaulM> the latest version works ok for me
[20:32] <PaulM> are you certain your backlight isn't just off?
[20:32] <PaulM> shining a flashlight at the display will show you if the screen is on
[20:33] <riot> how do i configure my graphics-card?
[20:33] <PaulM> stani: ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-f7 works as a temporary workaruond when that's happening
[20:33] <PaulM> more info here
[20:33] <stani> PaulM: when did you get the latest version
[20:33] <PaulM> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
[20:34] <PaulM> i had problems updating from hardy alpha4 to beta, so I reinstalled from the beta cd
[20:34] <PaulM> but running the update manager to get the updates should theoretically work as well
[20:34] <Yazan> Hey, I ran ubuntu in safe graphic mode and everything was great(Running from live CD). But the thing I didn't like were the brightness
[20:34] <riot> *sigh* i'm gonna throw debian on this box..
[20:34] <Yazan> the brightness was really low
[20:35] <Yazan> would it change if I installed it?
[20:35] <stani> PaulM: I will try this ctrl+alt trick
[20:35] <Yazan> because the brightness is great on windows
[20:35] <stani> wish me luck ;-)
[20:35] <PaulM> gl!
[20:35] <PaulM> Yazan: there's a brightness adjustment that should allow you to be exactly as bright as windows
[20:35] <riot> nobody knows how to configure a gpu?!
[20:35] <PaulM> Yazan: what hardware are you running on?
[20:36] <Yazan> If I understand you right, then its LG
[20:36] <rexy_> riot, look on the wiki it's a pretty common question
[20:36] <rexy_> !binarydriverhowto
[20:36] <rexy_> well the term should work on google anyway
[20:37] <Yazan> and .exe files do not work on ubuntu
[20:37] <Yazan> right?
[20:37] <PaulM> Yazan: I'm not sure how to fix your specific problem, but ubuntu definitely does support brightness control. Play around with the live CD a bit more, or look on google
[20:37] <PaulM> Yazan: Windows executables don't, that is correct
[20:37] <riot> Yazan: try wine
[20:38] <Yazan> But almost everything is .exe....;\
[20:38] <Yazan> what about .lnk?
[20:38] <Yazan> everything on pc**
[20:38] <Yazan> is .exe**
[20:39] <PaulM> I think that at your level of expertise, you probably should not be running linux unless you have specific things you want to do with it, or unless you are willing to avoid your windows programs entirely.
[20:39] <nanobug> how do I make hardy stop trying to autodetect my graphics and read the info from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:39] <nanobug> this is really starting to irritate me
[20:40] <nanobug> i installed the nv 169.07 drivers off of nvidia's web site since they're the only ones that don't give me pink shadows in compiz
[20:40] <Yazan> PaulM, you should be encouraging me to use linux, and not to use Windows
[20:40] <nanobug> reconfigured the xorg.conf file to use the driver
[20:40] <Yazan> ;p
[20:40] <nanobug> and it's like hardy just ignores my xorg.conf
[20:40] <nanobug> what is the point of having xorg.conf if hardy is going to rely on broken autodetection
[20:41] <riot> rexy_: Hmm. Found something there. w3m is.. weird. do the gutsy-instructions work for hardy?
[20:41] <nanobug> please tell me there's some way to fix this mess
[20:41] <rexy_> riot, dunno, probably
[20:41] <stani> PaulM: It didn' t work.
[20:41] <PaulM> figured :/
[20:41] <PaulM> did you shine a flashlight at the display to see if the backlight was just off?
[20:41] <Yazan> If I tried making my Ubuntu as a Dual Boot, will it decrease the speed of my computer?
[20:42] <PaulM> nope
[20:42] <Yazan> Great.
[20:42] <stani> What do you mean?
[20:42] <nanobug> okay
[20:42] <nanobug> im invisible
[20:42] <PaulM> nanobug: I'm sorry, I have no clue how to fix your problem. I would fix it if I could...
[20:43] <nanobug> can someone help me?  i'm kind of stuck in a console and unable to google answers for myself
[20:43] <alvarezp> Hi. I've noticed that fonts in Hardy don't show anymore under xfontsel. Gutsy Gibbon did. I'm not sure where is this configured, as to analyze the situation and file a good bug report.
[20:43] <stani> nanobug: what is your problem?
[20:43] <PaulM> stani: in my case, the blank screen was caused by the backlight driver being completely off. If you look closely (with a flashlight, for instance) you can see that the screen is actually still on...
[20:44] <dj1> too bad my compiz is down
[20:44] <dj1> i just upgraded to 8.04
[20:44] <PaulM> you might want to check that thing I linked earlier though... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume
[20:44] <stani> PaulM: I think the screen was still on, but what could this lead to?
[20:44] <PaulM> dj1: what's wrong with your compiz?
[20:44] <nikrud> nanobug install elinks , its a text browser
[20:44] <dj1> it dies
[20:45] <dj1> whitout an error message
[20:45] <nanobug> stani: I installed the nvidia 169.07 drivers off of their website, since it is the only driver that doesn't give me pink shadows in compiz.  It created an xorg.conf file, which is totally ignored on bootup.
[20:45] <PaulM> stani: it's a bug with the way the backlight drivers work. I'm not sure why you're still experiencing it, since it was fixed for me by the updates
[20:45] <dj1> leaves me without WM
[20:45] <dj1> and i had to hack /usr/bin/compiz
[20:45] <PaulM> dj1: upgrade your graphics drivers? wish I could be more helpful...
[20:45] <nanobug> Instead i am greeted with low graphics mode and have to configure the screen to a higher resolution
[20:45] <dj1> to point to the good compiz.real
[20:45] <nanobug> which also doesn't wor
[20:46] <nanobug> i can set it to 1600x1200 and get stuck in 800x600 anyway.
[20:46] <gluer> anyone know how i can get my fn-f5 fn-f6 brightness keys working on asus laptop?
[20:46] <nanobug> oh to hell with it
[20:46] <PaulM> I know there's a workaruond for the thinkpad involving editing the .sh files that are called on those events, but I have no clue if it's relevent to the asus. you might check it out
[20:46] <nanobug> back to gutsy
[20:46] <dj1> gluer pat-cache search asus
[20:46] <stani> nanobug: I guess you tried " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  already
[20:47] <dj1> gluer apt-cache search asus
[20:47] <gluer> djl: trying now
[20:47] <PeterEH> argh my kubuntu hardy torrent is now at 98.7% and stopped with no peers ..
[20:47] <stani> PaulM: I installed from alpha4, maybe the upgrading does not apply all patches
[20:48] <stani> In Gutsy everything was working fine out of the box, even suspend & hibernate
[20:48] <PaulM> stani: for what it's worth alpha4->beta really screwed my system. among other things, it killed my network drivers and sound drivers
[20:48] <PaulM> yeah same here
[20:48] <PaulM> lotta regressions
[20:48] <gluer> djl: what does that do?
[20:48] <dj1> gives packages related to asus machines
[20:48] <stani> So maybe I should just install beta
[20:49] <PaulM> if you're willing to do it, it's fairly likely to fix the problem.
[20:49] <PaulM> brightness still doesn't work properly out of the box though
[20:49] <stani> Maybe I wait for the final release then.
[20:49] <stani> Was there a launchpad bug for this?
[20:50] <PaulM> I never looked for one
[20:50] <PaulM> the one about the brightness hotkeys is 198476
[20:50] <PaulM> they screwed up something somewhere... mute button doesn't work the way it did in gutsy either
[20:51] <PaulM> it still mutes, but behaves the way it does in windows, muting something in hardware, rather than toggling a software mute
[20:52] <stani> ok, I guess this is all the real beta experience
[20:52] <PaulM> yeah
[20:52] <stani> What is the reason that you switched to Hardy?
[20:53] <PaulM> urm, originally I think it was that I wanted the newer version of evolution, honestly.
[20:53] <PaulM> and it's nice that compiz is all installed out of the box
[20:54] <stani> that was already in gutsy for me
[20:54] <stani> do you use evolution? Are you happy with it (compared to thunderbird)?
[20:55] <PaulM> I wanted to use it for calendar stuff... the particular feature I wanted was bidirection sync with google calendar
[20:56] <stani> does the syncing work well?
[20:56] <gluer> damnit, my fn-f5 fn-f6 keys for brightness dont work, can hardly see the screen on this asus
[20:57] <PaulM> haven't had a chance to mess with it, actually... been fixing the other things back up to functionality >.<
[20:59] <stani> haha
[20:59] <heartsblood> Could somebody explain what Pulse audio is in as few words as possible and explain it's connection with ESD and Alsa?
[21:00] <PaulM> stani: the thing that upgrading from alpha4 to beta DID fix is the dim on brightness
[21:00] <PaulM> *dim on inactivity
[21:01] <stani> well with me it dims to zero ;-)
[21:01] <gluer> is there a way to manually adjust the brightness for laptop display from terminal my fn keys arent working
[21:02] <DanaG> Great, now I'm getting load cycles every 1 or 2 seconds.  Ridiculous!
[21:02] <_Axel> Hi
[21:03] <_Axel> Anyone have try ubuntu hardy beta with a broadcom wifi?
[21:03] <gluer> hehehe
[21:03] <nonix4> gluer: xbacklight?
[21:03] <PaulM> yeah, that works for me
[21:03] <_Axel> Paul also after the update?
[21:03] <gluer> nonix4: well it sounds good brb
[21:04] <PaulM> I haven't tried xbacklight after updating to beta1
[21:04] <PaulM> sorry _Axel, wasn't responding to you
[21:04] <_Axel> what xbacklight is?
[21:04] <_Axel> ahh ok :-)
[21:05] <Yazan> If I just hit the install button and installed ubuntu fully, will Windows Xp and all its contents disappear?
[21:05] <gluer> nonix4: installed it, where is it?
[21:05] <Yazan> all its files/folders
[21:06] <marlun> Vinagre (Remote Desktop Viewer) in Hardy is very slow. I can't seem to find any settings. Anyoen has any tips on how to make it faster?
[21:07] <PaulM> Yazan: you probably want to use the new install through windows option
[21:08] <Yazan> yeah, after installing ubuntu, will windows be deleted?
[21:08] <nonix4> gluer: hmm, bug 176888 seems to still be there :/
[21:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176888 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "xbacklight not working in hardy because of wrong XRandR BACKLIGHT_CONTROL setting" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176888
[21:08] <gluer> argh
[21:09] <PaulM> raaaawwrr
[21:09] <PaulM> that's obnoxious
[21:09] <PaulM> Yazan: if you install ubuntu using the windows install option, it should be very clear that it won't delete windows.
[21:10] <Yazan> so after installing it, and rebooting my computer, what will i get?
[21:11] <PaulM> an option to boot one or the other, I believe
[21:11] <PaulM> you might want to look at this
[21:11] <PaulM> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[21:11] <PaulM> but that's not updated for wubi
[21:11] <PaulM> so it may not be helpful for you
[21:12] <PaulM> mightl ook here for some basic info
[21:12] <PaulM> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[21:13] <RainCT> anyone here using an Intel graphic card?
[21:13] <PaulM> I am
[21:13] <_Axel> Ubuntu works fine with intel graphics card
[21:13] <stani> me too
[21:13] <jimmygoon> heh, "fine"?
[21:13] <_Axel> not so well with broadcom wifi devices :-)
[21:13] <RainCT> with the "intel" driver?
[21:13] <jimmygoon> RainCT, :) what card?
[21:14] <jimmygoon> RainCT, yes, on the "intel" driver
[21:14] <PaulM> my intel card works beautifully out of the box
[21:14] <_Axel> What is your card Rain?
[21:14] <Yazan> PaulM>, i'm going to take your words and try it
[21:14] <RainCT> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[21:14] <PaulM> best of luck, Yazan
[21:14] <jimmygoon> RainCT 855GM?
[21:14] <stani> RainCT: What do you want to ask?
[21:15] <RainCT> I don't really know.. heh
[21:15] <jimmygoon> RainCT, the intel bugs of feisty/gutsy with the wrong DPI/resolution are resolved for my on 855GM I believe
[21:15] <_Axel> have you got a resolution problem?
[21:15] <jimmygoon> (though I still haven't reset my xorg.conf and found out if I don't need the workaround parts)
[21:15] <jimmygoon> Though the intel driver is still conisderably slower for me than the i810 driver
[21:15] <RainCT> after the upgrade to hardy the "intel" driver has some regression when drawing stuff on screen
[21:16] <_Axel> I've modified my xorg.conf to have my correct resolution to 1024x800
[21:16] <jimmygoon> RainCT, like it is slow to redraw windows and such?
[21:16] <RainCT> jimmygoon: yes, it shows strange lines and such for some seconds
[21:16] <jimmygoon> _Axel, no, I'm talking about having to manualy enable (something, I forget) and set my physical size to correct DPI stuff
[21:16] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I've just disabled compiz and gotten used to it for the most part
[21:17] <RainCT> I'm trying with i810 now and it works a lot better, but doesn't support my resolution and it looks awkward with those it lets me choose
[21:17] <DanaG> Argh, Brasero just crashed, and Apport wouldn't give me a backtrace because my hal is upgradeable.
[21:17] <DanaG> That's irritating -- I can't even look at the bug info for my own reference.
[21:17] <jimmygoon> RainCT, hm, someone else having a similar case makes me want to go make a launchpad bug for intel/i810
[21:17] <RainCT> yes I've compiz disabled now (with compiz scrolling was nearly impossible in Firefox)
[21:17] <RainCT> but still...
[21:17] <jimmygoon> RainCT, haha, I know *exactly* what you mean
[21:18] <amerio> hey guys im facing some problems with gnome panel , its keep freezing from time to time , specially when I hit the calendar it stop working then I have to killall and start it again , any help?
[21:18] <RainCT> (the resolution I want is 1440x768, btw)
[21:18] <RainCT> heh :)
[21:18] <DanaG> 1440x768?  that's rather odd.
[21:18] <RainCT> eh, no.. I mean 1440x900
[21:19] <RainCT> :P
[21:19] <RainCT> typo ^^
[21:19] <DanaG> That's what I figured.
[21:19] <jimmygoon> like Alt+Tabbing from Rhythmbox to Xchat... I can SEE the window contents redraw top to bottom
[21:19] <RancidLM> hey all, just did a upgrade to ubuntu 8.04 and my networking kinda works but my wireless looks a bit wierd its called wlan0_rename   is there a way to have ubuntu completly delete my network settings and redetect and set everything from scratch?
[21:19] <DanaG> One really odd resolution: 1280x768.
[21:19] <RainCT> but with i810 I only get 1280x1024, which looks really bad
[21:19] <DanaG> It's 1280x800 (16:10) minus 32 rows, thus breaking every 16:10 wallpaper.
[21:20] <DanaG> It's not 16:9 either.
[21:20] <DanaG> It's "16:9 minus a bit because we cheaped out on 32 rows"
[21:20] <RainCT> jimmygoon: yes same here
[21:20] <jimmygoon> There is a 915resolution package dunna if that helps the resolution on your card....
[21:21] <RainCT> I think I tried with that before I found the intel driver and it didn't help
[21:21] <DanaG> intel driver doesn't need that.
[21:21] <DanaG> Or rather, does the same function internally.
[21:21] <RainCT> DanaG: "before I found the intel driver"
[21:21] <RainCT> (and system was reinstalled since then so no residual config)
[21:22] <kraft__> hi
[21:22] <RainCT> blah I switch back to intel this looks just too bad :(
[21:22] <amerio> RancidLM check your network interfaces conf file
[21:23] <Ayabara> after todays upgrade my sound is gone. it has happened earlier, and it comes back if I boot, but I was wondering if I coud get it back without booting. when I try mplayer it says: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1099:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
[21:23] <kraft__> just installed a hardy on a server, and used the alernate cd as i wanted lvm and raid, however i got a full desktop installed. could i have avoided the desktop install and still had lvm + raid on instal?
[21:24] <RAOF> kraft__: Yes; there are server install discs, which are alternate CDs that only install a bare system.
[21:24] <kraft__> RAOF: does the server cd support lvm + raid?
[21:25] <RAOF> I haven't used it, but my understanding is that it's just the alternate installer with a different package set.  So I'd be amazed if it didn't.
[21:25] <stani> RainCT: Did you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177492?
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released]
[21:25] <chapocero> My USB wireless adapter was working fine on my dell inspiron 5150 while running Gutsy, I upgraded to Hardy and now it won't recognize it... Also neither Gutsy nor Hardy recognized my PCMCIA wireless card.. any tips?
[21:26] <Ayabara> anyone else had a problem with sound "disappearing"?
[21:26] <kraft__> RAOF: thanks, i will trr with my next install. It would be good to ad that info to the nstall page,
[21:26] <amerio> ayabara I had it when upgrading to hardy
[21:26] <kraft__> is it reads that you need the alternate cd
[21:26] <RainCT> stani: no; looking
[21:27] <kraft__> second question... is there a page where i can track what updates are avalable? packages.ubuntu.com does not have the latest info
[21:27] <Ayabara> amerio, ok. this happens after an update, and goes away if I reboot
[21:28] <Ayabara> how can I check who is using my sound device?
[21:28] <kraft__> i.e the 20 updates since yesterday
[21:28] <rexy_> Ayabara, lsof /dev/snd/*
[21:28] <RAOF> kraft__: The hardy-changes mailing list, or the RSS feed aggregated from it.
[21:28] <amerio> Ayabara I followed some guide and it helped me to fix it , im looking for it now
[21:28] <kraft__> RAOF: link?
[21:28] <RAOF> Just hunting it down
[21:29] <rexy_> !hardy | chapocero
[21:29] <ubotu> chapocero: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:29] <rexy_> oops
[21:29] <RAOF> kraft__: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml
[21:29] <rexy_> chapocero, does it show with lsusb?
[21:29] <amerio> Ayabara ok I followed this guide and it helped me to fix my sound again , check it out , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[21:29] <Ayabara> amerio, thanks
[21:30] <amerio> Ayabara you're welcome
[21:30] <kraft__> RAOF: perfect, thanks.
[21:30] <amerio> does any1 faced freezing in gnome-panel?
[21:31] <chapocero> rexy_: yes it shows a dell device, which i assume is my usb adapter
[21:31] <rexy_> well what chip does it say is in there
[21:32] <chapocero> rexy_: It shows it on "Bus 004 Device 002: ID 413c:8104 Dell Computer Corp." .. i assume its my adapter..
[21:33] <rexy_> hmm, that's rather non-descriptive
[21:33] <chapocero> thats all that lsusb outputs for me
[21:34] <rexy_> then i dont know, you could try googling the ID it gives and see if you can figure out what driver goes with the device and make sure it's loaded
[21:34] <chapocero> it worked fine before i upgraded from gutsy to hardy
[21:35] <rexy_> well it's beta, stuff breaks
[21:35] <chapocero> is there a way to downgrade without just putting a fresh install on there?
[21:35] <rexy_> nope
[21:36] <Zvezdichko> hello, I want to upgrade from gutsy to hardy. however, the upgrade manager of Kubuntu crashes, and moreover, I don't want to use graphic tools
[21:36] <Zvezdichko> how can I run the upgrade from command line
[21:40] <Yazan> when I'm on ubuntu, how would i go on about changing the brightness of the screen?
[21:41] <K4k-laptop> Yazan: desktop or laptop?
[21:41] <Yazan> desktop
[21:41] <amerio> Zvezdichko try  sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:41] <K4k-laptop> there should be a way to do it on the monitor itself, independent from the OS
[21:41] <Yazan> No, not the monitor brightness, the screen brightness
[21:41] <Zvezdichko> thank you
[21:42] <Yazan> like in windows
[21:42] <amerio> Zvezdichko you're welcome
[21:42] <Yazan> properties > * > *
[21:42] <Zvezdichko> I know that Hardy is still unstable and not for productive machines, however, I want to try it
[21:42] <K4k-laptop> Yazan: are you refering to like, color brightness then? Because that's dependant on the drivers and to my knowledge there are not such controls for any of the linux drivers
[21:42] <Yazan> how will i do that?
[21:42] <wangfg_> how can i use suspend under hardy?
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_ what graphics card do you have?
[21:43] <Yazan> k4k, so there is no option like on windows?
[21:43] <wangfg_> ati, x31
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> Yazan, not to my knowledge, someone else might know better however
[21:43] <amerio> Yazan why you dont set the brightness from the moniter itself
[21:43] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, what driver are you using, do you know?
[21:44] <wangfg_> ati from open-ati, i think :)
[21:44] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_,  and you're on a laptop correct?
[21:44] <Yazan> amerio: I got my monitor brightness set to full
[21:45] <wangfg_> yes,what can i do?
[21:45] <wangfg_> k4k, how can i send mesg to you
[21:45] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm using the same drivers I am and all I had to do was go to System > Preferences > Power Management and then I clicked on the "On Battery Power" tab and set "When laptop lid is closed" to "Suspend"
[21:46] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, why do you want to send a message to me?
[21:47] <amerio> Yazan- whats your graphic card?
[21:47] <wangfg_> not send private message, just hilight the message, if i talk to you, just like you
[21:47] <Yazan-> No idea. haha.  How do i go on about checking what it is?
[21:47] <Yazan-> on Windows
[21:47] <Yazan-> I once did it .... ;\
[21:47] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, just start typing my name and press the tab button and it will auto complete my name
[21:48] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, however, only I will see it highlighted, you will not
[21:49] <ehazlett> anyone run ubuntu 8.04 on a latitude xt?
[21:49] <amerio> Yazan- whats the output of "lspci -nn | grep VGA"
[21:49] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: thank you, there is another problem, that i cannot access the system menu, because after the menu pop out, and disappeared very quickly :(
[21:50] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, hmmm you might want to fix that first : )
[21:50] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: yes :)
[21:51] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: but i dont know how to :(
[21:51] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm not sure why it's doing that, you might want to try to search on google to see if anyone else has had similar problems, I've never heard of it
[21:52] <alvarezp> Hello, I'm trying Ubuntu Hardy and I'm getting "ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2" in dmesg. Is this known?
[21:52] <amerio> Yazan- by typing "lspci -nn | grep VGA" in your terminal you will be able to know what is your graphic card
[21:53] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: thankx, i use kde4, but perhaps it is a bug of xwindows, because it exsists under xfce also
[21:53] <Yazan-> amerio: I'm on windows and not ubuntu
[21:54] <K4k-laptop> Yazan-, then right click my computer, go to properties, and then Hardware > Device manager and look for you're graphics card in there
[21:54] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: and i use terminal, so it doesn't matter a lot
[21:54] <atlef> Yazan-: run - type dxdiag
[21:54] <amerio> Yazan- you'll find it under video & sound I guess
[21:55] <clusty> hey
[21:56] <Yazan-> Damnit....I cant find anything under video and sound
[21:56] <clusty> is there a way to get CONFIG_NO_HZ enabled without a kernel recompilation?
[21:56] <Yazan-> Manufacturer: S3 Graphics, Inc.
[21:57] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: are you there?
[21:57] <Yazan-> Is this helpful: Manufacturer: S3 Graphics, Inc.??
[21:57] <Yazan-> amerio...^ :)
[21:57] <amerio> Yazan- whats the name of the card ?
[21:57] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, yes
[21:58] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: :)
[21:58] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, did you need something?
[21:58] <Yazan-> oh here it is
[21:58] <Yazan-> Graphics ProSavageDDR
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: i need to repair the system menu...
[21:59] <amerio> I believe its a Chrome card
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop: sorry, if i bother you a lot...
[21:59] <K4k-laptop> wangfg_, I'm not familiar with kde or xfce, sorry, I only use gnome
[21:59] <Yazan-> so amerio...is it supported or what?....
[21:59] <wangfg_> K4k-laptop:  ok, sure...
[22:00] <K4k-laptop> Yazan-, set your driver to "savage" that should work
[22:00] <amerio> Yazan- have you faced any difficulties running it under ubuntu?
[22:01] <wangfg-x31> how can i suspend my x31 to disk?
[22:04] <gaucho> Hi! My network configuration at system, administration, network isn't working. I need to config it with ifconfig command. What should be happening?
[22:05] <RainCT> jimmygoon: FYI, the fix described in the bug report to which stani refered me worked for me :)
[22:05] <jimmygoon> RainCT, xchat doesn't scroll up that far for me. do you have the link still?
[22:05] <Ayabara> if I press restart in Ubuntu, how are my applications terminated? are they brutally killed?
[22:06] <RainCT> jimmygoon: "the fix" is to add   Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"   to xorg.conf's device section
[22:06] <Ayabara> I use Deluge, and it only seems to preserve the share ratio of files if it's closed in a controlled manner
[22:06] <RainCT> jimmygoon: and the url was.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[22:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,Fix released]
[22:06] <nickrud> Ayabara for the first time ever, gedit prevented X shutdown until I saved a modified file. Don't know about other apps yet
[22:06] <jimmygoon> RainCT, ??? what? Thats sounds strange. Thanks a bunch though. Glad to try anything that will speed this awful thing first
[22:07] <RainCT> jimmygoon: it's marked as fix released but installing the update didn't help here.. but add that worked
[22:07] <jimmygoon> nickrud, yes, that happened to me but it was on a different workspace and ... gnome didn't pull it up so I was left going ????
[22:07] <Ayabara> nickrud, ok, but normally some kill signal is sent to remaining processes?
[22:07] <Ayabara> from Deluge's behavious it seems so :-)
[22:07] <RainCT> jimmygoon: no problem :)
[22:07] <nickrud> Ayabara all I know is that's a first. jimmygoon I had a notification pop up in the panel, that's how I fund it
[22:08]  * RainCT is sad that he can't thank stani as he is offline now :)
[22:08] <orionr> Hey i have losted my sound after i upgraded.
[22:08] <orionr> I think the problem is it isnt detecting my sound card.
[22:08] <orionr> Any ideas?
[22:09] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I'm gonna post a follow up on that thread as well
[22:09] <jimmygoon> RainCT, I'm having one other problem and I'm curious if you experience it as well... does your pc crash hard when you log out some times? or shutdown? or switch to tty's?
[22:10] <RainCT> jimmygoon: No
[22:11] <jimmygoon> RainCT, Ok, must be a different issue
[22:11] <RainCT> jimmygoon: but I have a problem where when some games switch to fullscreen like 30% of the times the screen will remain black until I poweroff and start it again :S
[22:11] <RainCT> (but the computer is working as if I restart X I hear gdm's welcome song)
[22:11] <RainCT> have you experienced this? xD
[22:12] <RainCT> s/song/sound
[22:13] <orionr> Is anyone experiencing a lost of sound after they upgraded?
[22:15] <jimmygoon> RainCT, not personally. (got to go anyhow, thanks again)
[22:15] <coz_> any of todays updates breaking anything :)
[22:16] <atlef> coz_: have not experienced any breaks
[22:17] <atlef> but that is my system
[22:17] <coz_> atlef, ok cool thanks  just wanted to be sure before I intall them :)
[22:17] <atlef> coz_: it usually is in the topic of the channel if something breaks
[22:17] <gaucho> Hi! My gnome network config isn't working, settings are just ignored, because if I type ifconfig it isn't there.. What can I do?
[22:20] <marlun> why is "unrar e file.rar" so slow?
[22:24] <cyclonut> any terrible horrible disasters arising from the latest round of updates for folks?
[22:24] <xanadoid> I upgraded to the latest beta and now the panels have disappeared from my gnome desktop. All of the icons are there, and I can create launchers. how can I get the panels back?
[22:24] <cyclonut> xanadoid, are they set as transparent?
[22:24] <xanadoid> no
[22:24] <xanadoid> they're just gone.
[22:25] <cyclonut> and you cant add new ones?
[22:25] <ddalton> ok I just updated to hardy problems I see: - On boot-up my internet connection isn't picked up. I need to replug the cable in... - GDM doesn't seem to work. Every thing else seems fine... Anyone know why?
[22:26] <ddalton> can I down grade gdm?
[22:26] <xanadoid> I've tried, but all instructions for creating a new panel say that to do so I should right-click on a panel, which I obviously can't do.
[22:26] <RainCT> ah btw has anyone here a USB GPRS/UMTS modem?
[22:27] <cyclonut> xanadoid: try going in gconfeditor to apps/panel/toplevels
[22:27] <cyclonut> xanadoid: see if anyting shows uop
[22:27] <KalEl> how can i shutdown ubuntu from command line? "shutdown now" seems to get into a text mode dialog instead of fully shutting down
[22:27] <cyclonut> KalEl: shutdown -h now
[22:28] <cyclonut> the 'h' stands for halt
[22:28] <KalEl> thanks!
[22:28] <cyclonut> np
[22:29] <KalEl> what's the difference between halt and power down? it means the same?
[22:29] <cyclonut> dunno
[22:29] <cyclonut> halt works though :)
[22:29] <KalEl> ok
[22:29] <KalEl> great
[22:33] <RainCT> KalEl: I think one stopped the machine completely after booting down and the other not, but I might be wrong
[22:36] <marnanel> Good evening.  Almost everything worked on a gutsy to hardy upgrade, but gksu network-admin is telling me "Unknown property: GtkComboBox.items".  Am I doing anything particularly wrong, or is this a known problem?
[22:36] <marnanel> (It then quits immediately after starting.)
[22:37] <KalEl> oh thanks
[22:37] <RAOF> marnanel: You probably shouldn't be running that as root; you're probably confusing policykit :)
[22:39] <marnanel> RAOF: Oh, interesting.  Well, I just tried *not* running it as root, and it told me it couldn't load PolicyKit.conf because it didn't exist, which I suppose is a sign of the same problem; I'll go and figure out how to make myself a PolicyKit.conf.  Thank you!
[22:39] <vaughn> Anyone seeing high cpu useage in the resources chart but little to know useage in the processes?
[22:39] <vaughn> In Hardy beta that is
[22:40] <RAOF> vaughn: Video drivers which aren't nouveau are really, really bad at accelerating cairo.  That's what you're seeing.
[22:44] <alex_mayorga> anyone else seeing FF crash when checking mail on mail.yahoo.com ?
[22:52] <rchrdcrg> hey, I was wondering if anyone else has been having issues with Nautilus crashing in the last 12 hours or so
[22:55] <rchrdcrg> I'm going to guess not
[22:55] <cyclonut> good news everyone! the latest updates killed nothing :)
[22:55] <gluer> lol
[22:55] <jevin_> lol
[22:56] <rchrdcrg> hmm, I'm trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or not
[22:57] <jevin_> Could someone try installing libghc6-x11-dev on Hardy?  It's giving me ugly dependency errors.
[22:57] <gluer> i think it was a bit of both sarcasm and joy
[22:57] <gluer> ;-)
[22:57] <rchrdcrg> aaah, I wasn't sure, because my update this morning (about 12 hours ago) killed Nautilus for me
[22:58] <cyclonut> aye, a bit of both
[22:58] <gluer> is there another way i can control laptop brightness besides xbacklight which doesnt seem to be working
[22:58] <cyclonut> gluer: you can echo it to a file... I dont remember which one though (helpful as all hell, I know)
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone else having very poor madwifi performance recently
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> (This is a card that has been perfect ever since I can remember)
[22:59] <xanadoid> how do I add a gnome desktop panel if I have none on which to click "create new panel" on?
[22:59] <gluer> cyclonut: there is no way in gnome to set it? my fn keys arent working
[23:00] <cyclonut> gluer: hrmm
[23:00] <cyclonut> gluer: I bet you could find something in config editor
[23:00] <cyclonut> xanadoid: also, you can create new panels using config editor
[23:00] <gluer> cheers
[23:00] <xanadoid> how?
[23:00] <cyclonut> app/panel/toplevels/
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> anyone else having/had bug 146946
[23:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146946 in gnome-control-center "[gutsy] Gnome settings daemon randomly does not work" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146946
[23:01] <cyclonut> create a new key
[23:01] <rchrdcrg> so I'm gonna guess nobody knows anything about Nautilus crashing?  I can't even open a file window, and my desktop icons are all missing, and it's pretty much left my computer about 80% useless
[23:01] <rchrdcrg> i'm trying to see if anything's on launchpad
[23:02] <Zoris> okay, when I open firefox beta, it goes to http://0/ instead of my homepage
[23:02] <Zoris> any reason for this?
[23:02] <xanadoid> what key do I create?
[23:02] <rchrdcrg> have you just tried changing it again in the settings, Zoris?
[23:03] <Zoris> yes I have
[23:03] <Zoris> When I press "home", however, it does go to my homepage, just not on startup
[23:04] <cyclonut> xanadoid: hold on
[23:04] <rchrdcrg> I figured as much, but I'm usually the first to overlook the obvious, so I thought I'd ask ;) ... and I have no clue, otherwise
[23:04] <Zoris> alright, well does anybody else have any idea?
[23:05] <tumi> Is anyone experiencing that moving large windows around is sluggish with compiz?
[23:05] <gluer> tumi: yeh
[23:06] <tumi> not only that but the cursor movement differs from what you would experience with metacity. For example, when a window is "snapping" to something, the cursor does'nt move while snapped
[23:06] <gluer> and since installing updates my screen is flickering
[23:06] <tumi> gluer, what driver are you using?
[23:06] <jevin_> Zoris: Have you installed Kiba Dock?
[23:06] <gluer> restricted nvidia
[23:07] <rchrdcrg> I noticed a slowdown in rotating my desktop cube, but I just switched to a new monitor with a slightly higher resolution, so I figured it was due to the higher res... I'm using the restricted nvidia drivers as well
[23:07] <tumi> gluer, and the same thing happens with the cursor while moving a window?
[23:07] <cyclonut> xanadoid: http://www.dumpt.com/images/showphoto.php?photo=5576&cat=2
[23:07] <cyclonut> xanadoid: that is what mine looks like. I'd mabe the bottom_panel key and make all the attributes that are within it (the right pane)
[23:07] <rchrdcrg> brb, gonna try a fix to my nautilus problem
[23:07] <cyclonut> gl
[23:08] <jevin_> Zoris: If you have: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570512
[23:08] <gluer> tumi: no just random flickering, and wobbly windows get stuck ;-)
[23:09] <cyclonut> xanadoid: or, do this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+question/3179
[23:09] <Smegzor> Why do I have to nudge my network configuration every time I reboot?  All I need to do is change the ip then change it back again and I'm online.  Bug?
[23:13] <thompa> Kubuntu is real good this time, im stuck on it
[23:14] <adinc> the network manager applet doesn't show me a menu entry to scan for wireless networks, it only shows "manual configuration" is this something i can adjust?
[23:14] <Zoris> thanks, jevin_!
[23:14] <Zoris> that worked
[23:14] <jevin_> Zoris: lol google "firefox http://0/"
[23:14] <thompa> now i like Amarok in kde better also
[23:15] <jevin_> Oh well
[23:15] <thompa> any acer aspires with atheros here?
[23:15] <jevin_> thompa: Sounds like exaile is coming along though.  I have Amarok going on in my gnome env now though
[23:15] <thompa> jevin_: cool
[23:16] <jevin_> Come someone please try: "sudo apt-get install libghc6-x11-dev".  Does it work?
[23:16] <thompa> 3d effects are better in Kubuntu for me this time round. Nice
[23:18] <thompa> laser mouse is working better for some reason, wireless is still a problem with acer_acpi and the kernel
[23:19] <jin> the new Banshee alpha release looks very promising
[23:19] <jin> :-)
[23:19] <vaughn> RAOF: So it's the driver for my ati card?
[23:19] <RAOF> vaughn: Yup.
[23:19] <vaughn> I haven't switched to the ati driver yet
[23:19] <vaughn> Thanks for the help
[23:20] <thompa> building madwifi no longer works since last kernel upgrade a while back, Im wondering if I should use a later kernel
[23:20] <RAOF> vaughn: It pretty much doesn't matter which driver you use at the moment; all but the most recent are crap at that.
[23:20] <thompa> or backports??
[23:20] <jevin_> I just find Amarok's search interface too complicated.  iTunes was pretty slick!
[23:20] <J-_> !info xmms hardy
[23:21] <jevin_> thompa: Madwifi is usually built for specific kernels.  You may have to search for a revision that works for your kernel
[23:21] <J-_> Is xmms not included in the Hardy repos?
[23:21] <thompa> jevin_: ive been on that route for a while its broke bug filed, im stuck
[23:21] <jevin_> tompa: Usually people ask similar questions to yours in the madwifi mailing list.
[23:21] <J-_> !info xmms
[23:22] <thompa> jevin_: I think acer_acpi is included in the kernel
[23:22] <thompa> jevin_: it says atheros wireles in hardware with nvidia, but its not their as a device
[23:22] <jevin_> thompa:  Since the api and internals wifi portions of the kernel are often worked on, it doesn't surprise me if madwifi breaks from one kernel to the next.
[23:23] <thompa> modprobe no longer works either
[23:23] <thompa> jevin_: what broke it is an attempted fix
[23:23] <arekkusu_> Hello ! I want to know if it will be possible possible to upgrade from the actual 8.04 beta to the final version once it's out ? Or if I might run into problem trying to do this... ?!
[23:23] <schierbeck> hey guys
[23:23] <Lamego> yes, if you keep updating your system, it will become final
[23:23] <jevin_> arekkusu_: It will show up in the update manager for sure.
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: cause now I can't even build it
[23:24] <jevin_> thompa: Build madwifi?
[23:24] <schierbeck> do you know what kernel version the hardy final release will be shipping?
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: im going to see what changed if 2.6.25 works or before
[23:24] <schierbeck> i'm hoping for 2.6.25+
[23:24] <thompa> jevin_: i can build svn and the patched for acer aspires
[23:24] <arekkusu_> jevin_: Ok thx
[23:25] <thompa> thompa: the other route was to build acer acpi, but since they included that its borked
[23:25] <jevin_> tomsku: Based on the bug: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1756.  People seem to have success building from the latest madwifi from source.
[23:25] <schierbeck> thompa: oooh, that's just what i'm here to ask about -- 2.6.25 includes the acer wireless drivers, right?
[23:25] <jevin_> Oops.  I meant thompa. :D
[23:26] <E1337> got a ? im trying to make it to where under my nic card i change my dns server but every time i do it like auto updates in 15 mins and changes it back? can someone tell me how to turn that off?
[23:26] <thompa> schierbeck: it has acpi and the new driver I think
[23:26] <schierbeck> thompa: yes! and that version will ship with hardy, right?
[23:26] <slipttees> Removing wine ...
[23:26] <slipttees> Purging configuration files for wine ...
[23:27] <slipttees> but, wine's still have entreis in my aplications menu!
[23:27] <thompa> schierbeck: i dont think so
[23:27] <slipttees> howto remove it ?
[23:27] <schierbeck> damn...
[23:27] <thompa> schierbeck: its supposed to be backported
[23:27] <schierbeck> guess i'll still have to install acer-acpi then
[23:27] <schierbeck> oh, okay then
[23:27] <jevin_> schierbeck: 2.6.25 ain't out yet according to kernel.org
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: but its broke worse
[23:28] <schierbeck> i know, but i was hoping it would make it in time
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: what your wireless card?
[23:28] <schierbeck> hmm, forgot
[23:28] <schierbeck> i'll check
[23:28] <jevin_> For madwifi, it's the madwifi-ng that people seem to have success with
[23:28] <thompa> schierbeck: you could test the latest kernel, mandriva works, and it will soon here I am sure
[23:29] <schierbeck> Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[23:29] <thompa> schierbeck: your fine
[23:29] <schierbeck> cool
[23:29] <thompa> im screwed though
[23:29] <schierbeck> acer-acpi is working for me on gutsy
[23:29] <schierbeck> you've got an acer too?
[23:30] <thompa> schierbeck: yes but I have a different wirless device atheros that requires an on switch hack
[23:30] <schierbeck> have you tried acer-acpi 0.10.x
[23:30] <schierbeck> i think 0.11 broke something for me too
[23:31] <thompa> schierbeck: no i will try, but hal is a problem and also usb
[23:31] <schierbeck> hmm
[23:31] <Spenc3> so atheros based wireless card doesn't work on hardy at this moment?
[23:31] <thompa> Spenc3: I need to boot it, its ony acer aspires 55** models,
[23:32] <Spenc3> alright.
[23:32] <thompa> Spenc3: alpha6 works still
[23:32] <thompa> I think eee machine too
[23:33] <Spenc3> it's a D-LINK card would it work?
[23:33] <Spenc3> it uses the restricted driver right now.
[23:34] <Spenc3> as long as i got internet connection, i don't mind having to fix anything else.
[23:34] <schierbeck> thompa: it doesn't work at all, or can you enable wireless manually?
[23:34] <thompa> Spenc3: test it live, the intel wireless worked live for me btw on toshiba
[23:34] <thompa> schierbeck: i dont think any os does that
[23:35] <schierbeck> thompa: well, bluetooth was disabled for me, i just had to set a parameter when modprobing -- i'm sure you've tried everything, i just wanted to check
[23:38] <bhsx> hola amigos... what's the metapackage name for kde4 in hardy?
[23:39] <thompa> schierbeck: comes up with lspci as AR242x
[23:39] <thompa> that looks wrong
[23:40] <Jaymac> bhsx uhh.. kubuntu-desktopkde4?
[23:40] <schierbeck> sure does
[23:40] <Jaymac> no, that doesn't look right..
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> will Firefox3 Beta 4 go to 5 before final release?
[23:40] <bhsx> nope
[23:40] <Flannel> bhsx: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:40] <Jaymac> there we go.. :)
[23:40] <thompa> schierbeck: no wireless extensions though
[23:40] <bhsx> thanks
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> so 8.04.1 will have Firefox 3 (no beta) then i assume
[23:41] <Jaymac> Flannel: is it not: kubuntu-desktop-kde4 ?
[23:41] <thompa> schierbeck: change in kernel version will fix it for me, mandriva with their latest also works
[23:41] <Flannel> Jaymac: not according to p.u.c
[23:41] <Flannel> !info kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:41] <schierbeck> thompa: okay, at least that's something
[23:41] <Flannel> Hmmm, ubotu is sick.
[23:42] <Jaymac> Flannel: never mind, i think it used to be the other one..
[23:42] <Jaymac> found it :) http://packages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:43] <thompa> schierbeck: the device name is wrong maybe so I could start there
[23:44] <thompa> Flannel: just change the colors
[23:44] <Flannel> thompa: What?
[23:45] <thompa> Flannel: whats broke?
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> are there plans to put firefox3 final into 8.04.1?
[23:45] <Flannel> thompa: ubotu appears to be.
[23:45] <thompa> Flannel: whats ubutu
[23:45] <Flannel> thompa: a channel bot
[23:45] <ere4si> !bot
[23:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:45] <thompa> !mplayer
[23:46] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[23:46] <Flannel> interesting.
[23:46] <Flannel> !info kubuntu-desktop
[23:46] <thompa> Flannel: nothing wrong there
[23:46] <Flannel> thompa: The fact that he's not responding, yes.
[23:46] <ere4si> Flannel: the !info hasn't worked for a while and !find
[23:46] <thompa> !kubuntu-desktop
[23:46] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[23:47] <ddalton> hey you guys got a dev channel? Or some devs here I could speak to?
[23:47] <thompa> Flannel: was ther that other one?
[23:47] <thompa> maybe its changed?
[23:47] <thompa> !kubuntu
[23:47] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[23:48] <Flannel> thompa: info is a package versioning thing, not factoids
[23:48] <E1337> could someone help me figure out why when i change the dns on my nic it keeps refrashing
[23:48] <thompa> Flannel: oh, i never used bot here
[23:49] <thompa> in kanotix all the time
[23:50] <thompa> !kde4
[23:50] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:50] <thompa> 4.02 huh?
[23:51] <lime4x4> anyone having an issue with bluetooth disconnecting?
[23:53] <gaucho> hi! my sound isn't working on heron, but it was working good on gutsy. What can I do?
[23:53] <hmuller> lime4x4: no, but I remember on my last laptop when I had the bluez, it was a USB issue, problem with the ehci driver.  rmmod'd ehci, then no problem. you could rule that out by doing the same.
[23:54] <hmuller> gaucho: try checking your settings in both gnome-volume-control and alsamixer
[23:55] <gaucho> hmuller: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[23:58] <Smegzor> Is anyone able to change their desktop background in Gnome via system/appearance ?  I can't.  Nothing happens :(
[23:58] <hmuller> Gaucho:  see Bug #200182, it may apply to you
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200182 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device  (dup-of: 200338)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200182
[23:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[23:59] <hmuller> Smegzor: Works here, on a fresh install
[23:59]  * Amaranth waves goodbye to launchpad
[23:59] <gaucho> hm
[23:59] <Smegzor> hmm.  mine's a fresh install too
[23:59] <Amaranth> if you need something on launchpad do it in the next 60 seconds or so