[00:02] <gggggig> hi
[00:06] <gggggig> why nautilus-actions - 1.4.1-1ubuntu1 isn't mainstream yet?
[00:07] <gggggig> https://launchpad.net/~afflux/+archive it seems to be approved in hardy
[00:08] <Pici> It is in Hardy
[00:09] <Pici> !info nautilus-actions hardy
[00:10] <Pici> er.. nautilus-actions |    1.4.1-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[00:10] <Pici> oh.. ubuntu-1, nevermind, I missed that
[00:13] <gggggig> What could be happened?
[00:20] <Pici> ...
[01:49] <Tuv0k> Bug #207482
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207482 in liferea "Latest version (1.4.14-0ubuntu1) crashes on start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207482
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[02:29] <alex-weej> is it just my computer that can't Ctrl+Alt+Fn to switch VT from X?
[02:29] <alex-weej> i have a hell of a time trying to get to a TTY if X is running
[02:30] <alex-weej> usually involves me hammering Ctrl+Alt+Backspace a lot and hoping GDM gives up trying to respawn
[02:30] <alex-weej> and then conceding, logging into a failsafe terminal and doing /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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[07:54] <savvas> Hi, I've noticed a problem with bug #182840 and bug #200479 - the first one is private, should be marked as public if nothing really private was going on, and the latter is mine, and should be marked as a duplicate
[07:55] <ubotu> Bug 182840 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/182840 is private
[07:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200479 in iproute "tc crashed with SIGSEGV in prio_print_opt()won" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200479
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[11:02] <pedro_> good morning
[11:02] <pedro_> today is hug day!
[11:03] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080327 feel free to grab any bug out the list
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[11:09] <techno_freak> i find half the list to be already taken care of ;)
[11:09] <bicyclist> Rehi pedro_
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[12:20] <pedro_> hug day!
[12:21] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080327 <- squash a bug and win a hug ;-)
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[12:34] <hggdh> morning pedro_, happy [bh]ug day... I will try to help
[12:35] <pedro_> hello hggdh, rock on! , thanks ;-)
[12:35] <pedro_> sourcercito: you're crazy
[12:35] <hggdh> btw, sorry about forgetting to the the Evo bug to desktop-bugs...
[12:35] <hggdh> s/the the/set the/
[12:35] <sourcercito> pedro_, i'm sick
[12:35] <sourcercito> :P
[12:35] <pedro_> hggdh: that's ok, you rock ;-)
[12:36]  * sourcercito waves
[12:36]  * pedro_ hugs hggdh
[12:36]  * hggdh hugs back pedro_ and everybody else (a collectivising hug)
[12:36] <pedro_> sourcercito: you might want to update your lp profile with the photo you sent me a while ago
[12:37] <pedro_> the one with the mask
[12:37] <pedro_> at least the little icon :-P
[12:38] <sourcercito> don't remember that photo
[12:39] <pedro_> sourcercito: i guess you were on a basement with a white mask on your mouth/nose
[12:39] <pedro_> you really looked like a bug killer :-P
[12:40] <sourcercito> ahhh, right, that was a cool idea, but the quality was way too low
[12:40] <sourcercito> ;)
[12:40] <sourcercito> heheheh
[13:05] <Iulian> Hey
[13:06] <pedro_> hello Iulian!
[13:07] <Iulian> Hiya pedro_! :)
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[14:00] <pedro_> quick reminder today is the GDM, GNOME Screensaver and Konqueror Hug Day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080327 . You can squash a bug and later on commit it to the 5-A-Day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[14:00] <pedro_> oh qense you're just in time for killing some bugs ;-)
[14:00] <qense> hello :)
[14:00] <pedro_> how are you today
[14:00] <qense> happy bug day :)
[14:00] <qense> I'm fine, thanks :)
[14:01] <pedro_> good!
[14:01] <qense> how're you all doing?
[14:01] <pedro_> I'm fine, thanks. well , celebrating the hug/bug day ;-)
[14:02]  * heno waves to qense and pedro
[14:04] <pedro_> hello heno!
[14:05] <afflux> morning
[14:05] <pedro_> morning afflux
[14:06] <afflux> hi pedro_
[14:06] <qense> helllo
[14:14] <afflux> err
[14:14] <afflux> may someone have a look at bug 207737 and it's reporter?
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207737 in libdebian-installer "best" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207737
[14:14] <afflux> I've the impression that this is a bot...
[14:16] <qense> unless he likes email address with just numbers I agree
[14:17] <pedro_> could be but he only has reported 1 bug not a lot to determine
[14:17] <qense> would you be able to remind this: 919855269770@yahoo.com.au ?
[14:17] <afflux> Of course :P
[14:17] <pedro_> why not? can you remember  your passport number?
[14:18] <pedro_> same thing
[14:18] <pedro_> same as you remember phone numbers, etc
[14:18] <afflux> pedro_: I can't o.o
[14:18] <pedro_> i don't think we can determine it with only 1 report
[14:18] <afflux> yes, definetly
[14:18] <pedro_> afflux:  :-P
[14:18] <afflux> (My phone number is 5-digit :P)
[14:19] <qense> well, maybe he likes having a weird email address :)
[14:19] <pedro_> here is 7 and cellphone like 9/10
[14:19] <qense> maybe we just should watch the user
[14:19] <afflux> I met someone having a www. in front of his email
[14:19] <pedro_> yes we can keep an eye over him just in case of
[14:20] <afflux> does LP suggest login names out of email adresses?
[14:21] <pedro_> don't know
[14:23] <qense> The reporter of bug 177745 created an awful lot of tags, shouldn't some of them eb removed?
[14:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177745 in gdm "Login Window Preferences: custom welcome message does not take effect." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177745
[14:24] <james_w> if they don't make sense remove them
[14:24] <qense> I mean 'welcome' or 'gdm.conf-custom' aren't really some good tags
[14:24] <james_w> I've seen people just copy the whole title in there before
[14:24] <james_w> yeah, drop them.
[14:25]  * afflux thinks that naming them "tasks" is a bad idea: those nasty web2.0 apps make them think they should add anything they associate with this bug
[14:27] <qense> is login a good tag? there are four bugs with that tag
[14:29] <james_w> I don't think so, I don't really know why that would be interesting.
[14:29] <james_w> I guess searching for duplicates perhaps
[14:30] <qense> is Login Window Preferences Applet a part of GDM?
[14:31] <seb128> yes
[14:31] <qense> wait
[14:32] <qense> nvm
[14:39]  * heno closes bug 207737 -- that really is invalid
[14:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207737 in libdebian-installer "best" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207737
[14:39] <qense> you could say that
[14:43] <qense> what is the guideline for marking bugs invalid because no one has responded for a long time? A month?
[14:44] <pedro_> qense: yes, a month or wait for the lp janitor
[14:46] <qense> btw, is there a way of gathering the email address of all upstream project maintainers of the packages in Ubuntu using a launchpad script?
[14:46] <qense> I'd like to make a start with the project I suggested on the mailinglist if no one thinks I shouldn't
[14:49] <james_w> qense: I think *all* would be a bit much for you
[14:49] <qense> that's trye
[14:49] <qense> could be true
[14:49] <qense> what I wanted to do is send all maintainers an email and wait for their reply
[14:49] <james_w> if you sent an automated mail to them all then you would be drowned in resposes I think
[14:50] <qense> I could create a filter and export them to text files
[14:50] <james_w> I think it's a great idea though.
[14:50] <qense> if I'd put it on the wiki or somewhere else people could help changing it to human readable text for the wiki
[14:50] <james_w> I think you may be better off working with the biggest packages first, e.g. gnome
[14:50] <james_w> or you could sort packages in ubuntu by the number of bug reports and work down.
[14:51] <james_w> do you think there could be a better place for this information than the wiki?
[14:51] <qense> and cut that list into pieces and let people choose which part they want to do
[14:51] <qense> no
[14:52] <qense> but first we need to make a list :)
[14:52] <pedro_> for GNOME they're here: http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/TriageGuide/ProductSpecificGuidelines
[14:53] <qense> things like that also make your work easier :)
[14:53] <pedro_> and a few projects keep their own pages at live.gnome.org too like GNOME Power Manager and Evince IIRC
[14:53] <james_w> thanks pedro_
[14:53] <pedro_> yes indeed
[14:53] <pedro_> you're welcome
[14:54] <james_w> qense: that's a good start, you could add pointers from the wiki to those pages
[14:54] <qense> we need to create a start page for this
[14:54] <qense> Bugs/Triaging ?
[14:54] <bddebian> Boo
[14:55] <qense> hello
[15:01] <qense> what do you think of Bugs/Triaging?
[15:02] <james_w> perfect I think
[15:02] <james_w> then have like Bugs/Triaging/Gnome etc.?
[15:02] <qense> At the same time I think I'm going to copy the contents of DebuggingProcedures and it's subpages to there too
[15:02] <qense> yes, that is what I'd use
[15:03] <james_w> I wouldn't copy it, just add a link
[15:03] <james_w> I think you can actually include pages though, which would be perfect
[15:03] <qense> yeah
[15:03] <qense> but I think we should use the same naming syntax to keep things logical
[15:11] <heno> we should do a 'check your own bugs' bug day soon. I'm closing some old bugs of mine now ...
[15:16] <qense> where is the page of gnome-power-manager with the requirements for bug reports about it?
[15:16] <yuriy> morning
[15:16] <qense> heno: good idea, you often forget your own bug reports and if no one else looks at them...
[15:16] <qense> hello
[15:18] <pedro_> well i tend to do that daily
[15:18] <pedro_> qense: there's a page on live.gnome.org/GNOMEPowerManager
[15:19] <pedro_> and ted did a page with information too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager
[15:19] <qense> that page is empty and the other page about gnome power-manager I found just displayed a link to the FAQ :(
[15:19] <qense> but I'll include the ubuntu wiki page
[15:25] <qense> aargh! I sent again an email to the bugsquad mailing list using the wrong email address!
[15:30] <qense> What categories shall I use on the triaging page?
[15:38] <qense> the include thing for moinmoin is a macro, I think you have to install it seperately
[15:39] <afflux> pedro_ tends to do *all* bugs daily :P
[15:40] <afflux> about every second bug I marked as incomplete gets expired by pedro :)
[15:40] <pedro_> haha sorry i'm an addict :-(
[15:40] <afflux> hehe
[15:45] <afflux> I wonder if being a member of bugcontrol is suitable for ubuntu membership
[15:46] <qense> :)
[15:46] <qense> Does pedro_ has written a lot of the guides for bug triaging?
[15:47] <qense> that could help
[15:47] <qense> or did he got a lot of new members for bugcontrol?
[15:47] <pedro_> afflux: I'd say yes
[15:48] <pedro_> if you do a lot of triage work you can apply i can't see any reason why not
[15:48] <pedro_> same as translators for example
[15:48] <afflux> hm
[15:48] <afflux> not sure if I do a lot of triage :)
[15:49] <pedro_> you can start now ;-)
[15:49] <afflux> I mean, I do some triage
[15:49] <afflux> *ing
[15:51] <afflux> hm, I've 3000 points from bug management, guess thats not too much ;)
[15:51] <qense> I've got 990 :)
[15:51] <afflux> hehe
[15:52] <qense> Pedro Bucellate(pedro) has zero ;)
[15:52] <qense> Murray(murray) too
[15:52] <qense> Ben Murray too
[15:53] <afflux> brian has 13k
[15:53] <qense> the real yes :)
[15:53] <qense> wow, there are really a lot of pedros
[15:54] <qense> and almost all of them have zero karma
[15:58] <qense> I'm the only sense with karma :)
[15:58] <qense> and the only qense that exists
[15:59] <afflux> wow :P
[15:59] <qense> I'm special! :P I've got the most karma of a whole list!
[16:00] <afflux> <advertising> I posted my script for mass-editing duplicates to the bugsquad ML last night, in case you're interested :) </advertising>
[16:00] <james_w> afflux: yeah, I saw that, thanks a lot, I'll try it next time I find one that needs it
[16:01] <afflux> okay, cool
[16:01] <qense> I read the mail about it, but I haven't tried it yet
[16:01] <afflux> qense: you usually don't need it too often
[16:02] <qense> I don't look for duplicates, I concentrate more on forwarding, hal, network-manager and power-manager
[16:02] <qense> I hope so :)
[16:03] <qense> brainstorm is really filled with ideas saying just this 'beat windows by becoming better. I've got a very good idea of how to become better: improve all stuff"
[16:03] <qense> or "Imitate windows"
[16:03] <qense> someone even suggested to take all things from windows, including software isntalling!
[16:03] <qense> aaargh!
[16:04] <qense> that idea had -200 or something
[16:04] <thekorn> afflux, read this mail, will add this script to the examples/ in py-lp-bugs later, if you don't mind
[16:05]  * thekorn waves to all the bug-hunters, happy hugday!
[16:05] <afflux> thekorn: yes, you can do whatever you want :P
[16:05]  * qense hasn't done a hugday bug yet. bad, bad qense
[16:05] <afflux> oh, it's hugday again? *runs*
[16:07] <qense> it's every thursday and tuesday :)
[16:07] <afflux> someone familiar with the gnome bugtracker? Can I just enter a function in which a crash occured?
[16:07] <qense> I use it often.
[16:08] <qense> But what function do you mean? A part of a program or a programming kind of function?
[16:08] <afflux> qense: I'm a student and it's holidays for me in germany, so I have no idea what 's todays day
[16:08] <qense> ok :)
[16:08] <afflux> a C function for example: gcin_im_client_forward_key_press
[16:08] <afflux> (as in: gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in gcin_im_client_forward_key_press())
[16:08] <qense> You mean in the title? I see that more often at gnome's bugzilla
[16:09] <rexy_> after you file a bug through apport-cli do you need to do anything else or will it get sorted automaticly?
[16:09] <afflux> rexy_: a browser widnow should appear guiding you through the bug creation
[16:09] <afflux> If http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=gcin_im_client_forward_key_press returns nothing, can I savely open a new bug?
[16:09] <rexy_> afflux, yep did that
[16:09] <qense> after that you just have to wait
[16:10] <qense> it could be that someone asks you for more information
[16:10] <rexy_> does it automaticly sends a notification to my e-mail if someone does?
[16:10] <afflux> rexy_: yes
[16:11] <rexy_> i closed my own bug last time since it was fixed before anything was done with it, happens a lot i suppose?
[16:16] <afflux> should we report bugs to gnome if they are not reproducible?
[16:16] <afflux> *crasher bugs
[16:17] <afflux> (or if we don't know yet whether they are)
[16:17] <qense> the problem with those bugs is that crashes often happen at unpredictable times
[16:17] <qense> I think that if the user keeps having irregular crashes you should forward it
[16:18] <afflux> let's look at bug 203545
[16:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203545 in gdm "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_ot_ruleset_description_hash()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203545
[16:18] <afflux> It contains a complete backtrace but close to no descriptions, I guess it just crashed right after starting.
[16:20] <qense> I think that at that sort of bugs we should wait if it happens a lot more often
[16:20] <qense> I had also a lot of random crashes lately until I removed the compiled candido gtk engine
[16:20] <qense> I've got amd64 and I think candido is mainly written for i386
[16:21] <afflux> hm, looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/188565 (which is listed as an example on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME), it didn't contain reproducing information and was forwarded
[16:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188565 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:21] <afflux> pedro_: ping, question!
[16:21] <qense> maybe they can get enough information from apport
[16:22] <afflux> pedro_:  should we report bugs to gnome if they are not reproducible (or if we don't know yet whether they are)?
[16:46] <qense> well, I go, bye
[16:47] <heno> pedro_: I'm following up on bug 201466 I asked you about it recently and you pointed me at a possibly related bug and a work-around -- but I have forgotten :-/ Could you remind me pls?
[16:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201466 in xorg "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler error in ubuntu hardy heron Alpha 6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201466
[17:05] <pedro_> ah heno : Option		"AccelMethod"	"XAA" at the Device section
[17:05] <pedro_> and if you're having issues with firefox (black images) you may want to add : Option		"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[17:05] <pedro_> to the same section
[17:06] <pedro_> afflux: regarding which bug? the gnome-terminal one?
[17:06] <heno> pedro_: a thanks. So the question is should I remove the hack now to see if the problem still occurs? Could be painful to find out ...
[17:07] <afflux> pedro_: no, regarding bug 203545 and bug 199157
[17:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203545 in gdm "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_ot_ruleset_description_hash()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203545
[17:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199157 in gdm "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in gcin_im_client_forward_key_press()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199157
[17:08] <pedro_> heno: ah yeah, that'd be good,  I haven't tried to reproduce it lately
[17:08] <pedro_> afflux: looking
[17:08] <afflux> pedro_: I'll brew a coffee, will be back in some minutes
[17:09] <pedro_> afflux: second one looks like a gcin issue not a gdm one
[17:10] <pedro_> you may want to reassign it
[17:22] <qense> hello
[17:26] <cowbud> so was there ever a metapackage put together for like ubuntu-desktop-dbg?
[17:34] <afflux> pedro_: right, what about the other one?
[17:35] <pedro_> afflux: looks like pango, you can forward it if there's nothing on upstream already
[17:35] <pedro_> trace is good
[17:35] <afflux> pedro_: so, in general, what to do woth non-reproducible bugs?
[17:36] <pedro_> it depends, if it's a crash and the trace is good enough it can be forwarded
[17:37] <seb128> depends if that's reproducible for the user
[17:37] <seb128> if that's the case we encourage him to report the bug upstream
[17:37] <seb128> otherwise and if there is not enough informations we close the bug
[17:38] <afflux> seb128: you mean if the user gets a random crash which is not reproducible, it should not be forwarded?
[17:38] <seb128> if it has not enough details to be useful and the users can't get those because that was a one time thing yes
[17:39] <seb128> a debug backtrace is enough details for most of the crashes though, so when the crash is properly retraced it should be sent upstream
[17:39] <afflux> hm, okay...
[17:40] <seb128> you think that's not the correct thing to do?
[17:40] <afflux> well, I'm not sure. I think it will be the only solution for most random crashes
[17:41] <afflux> but, e.g. bug 203545
[17:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203545 in gdm "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_ot_ruleset_description_hash()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203545
[17:42] <afflux> seems very much like a random crash which will maybe never happen again (to the reporter!). But it still is a crash with a full stacktrace which may be a problem in some rare cases.
[17:43] <seb128> afflux: as said this one should be sent upstream, it has a detailled stacktrace
[17:43] <seb128> afflux: might be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471261
[17:43] <ubotu> Gnome bug 471261 in general "Crash in pango_ot_ruleset_add_feature" [Critical,Unconfirmed]
[17:44] <afflux> okay, haven't searched for it yet
[17:45] <afflux> so, we reject bugs which are not reproducible and don't have a good stacktrace?
[17:45] <afflux> that would sound sane to me
[17:48] <seb128> afflux: correct
[17:48] <afflux> okay, thanks a lot for clarification :
[18:21] <greg-g> dang lock on the bzr repo
[18:29] <james_w> I need a gnome person: bug 204821
[18:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204821 in ubuntu "[hardy beta 1] GNOME Settings Deamon gives error when starting live CD" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204821
[18:29] <james_w> specifically: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12923803/.xsession-errors
[18:29] <james_w> it looks like the cause of the problem may be
[18:29] <james_w> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:8547): WARNING **: Error opening directory '/etc/gnome/config': No such file or directory
[18:29] <james_w> or perhaps it is just a warning.
[18:30] <james_w> but it is the only message from the settings-daemon
[18:30] <james_w> I have that directory on my system, but dpkg doesn't know anything about it
[18:34] <pedro_> it seems to be created by the capplets-data package
[18:39] <james_w> I don't think it would be killing gnome-session though
[18:39] <james_w> what happens to -session then?
[18:58] <XiXaQ> Regarding Evolution. There are so many bugs in that piece of software, it's hard to believe. Which bugfixes will be available using ubuntu updates?
[19:00] <pedro_> XiXaQ: updates to gutsy? the ones that worth for a SRU: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:00] <XiXaQ> well, in general. Actually, I'm more concerned about hardy.
[19:00] <pedro_> otherwise you may want to wait till hardy is released or uprade to hardy
[19:01] <pedro_> any bug in particular?
[19:03] <XiXaQ> yes, I filed one yesterday. In Evolution, when you view a preview of a task,  select some text and copy it, either using the menus or ctrl+c, Evolution crashes.
[19:04] <pedro_> bug 207286 ?
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207286 in evolution "evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207286
[19:05] <bicyclist> Could it be that energy managment received some major bug fixes ? My Sony Vaio is running way quieter and goes faster into energy saving than before.
[19:05] <XiXaQ> pedro_,  oh. No, I filed it on bugzilla; http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524121
[19:06] <ubotu> Gnome bug 524121 in Tasks "Copy in task preview closes evolution" [Critical,New]
[19:06] <pedro_> XiXaQ: you should ask to the evolution maintainers then
[19:06] <pedro_> if they make the fix available to 2.22.1 it can make it to hardy or hardy.1
[19:07] <XiXaQ> but not in a general update?
[19:08] <pedro_> a general update to what?
[19:08] <XiXaQ> there are some _big_ bugs in Evolution and I really hope that they will be available as normal updates as they're fixed. Waiting six months for a fix just isn't possible.
[19:09] <pedro_> as i said if it's worth for a SRU you can ask for one
[19:09] <pedro_> and get those fixes available trough the -updates
[19:39] <XiXaQ> pedro_, thanks for that link. I think all the bugs I'm working on qualifies for SRU.
[19:44] <afflux> until release, bugs in hardy don't need to qualify for SRU to get fixed, do they?
[19:54] <XiXaQ> maybe not, but many of thiese bugs won't be fixed before hardy is released.
[19:55] <XiXaQ> actually, most of them.
[19:58] <XiXaQ> Evolution is such a central application for office users, it's really important that those crasher bugs and other obvious bugs are fixed as quickly as possible.
[20:08] <rockstar_> XiXaQ, are these bugs specific to ubuntu, or to evolution?
[20:08] <XiXaQ> to evolution of course.
[20:09] <XiXaQ> but it's important for me to get those fixes into ubuntu as they're released.
[20:09] <rockstar_> XiXaQ, then you're probably barking up the wrong tree.  You probably ought to make the case more upstream.
[20:09] <XiXaQ> does upstream decide what should be updated using ubuntus update mechanism?
[20:22] <afflux> XiXaQ: upstream provides the fixes
[20:23] <XiXaQ> yes, I understand that. That doesn't help me if I have to wait until the next version of ubuntu though. Especially not if I have to wait until the next LTS version. I was hoping I could stick with hardy for a good while.
[20:25] <afflux> XiXaQ: I guess most evolution crasher bugs have been forwarded upstream, we can't do anything (except fixing them on our own, what I can't, and most other bug triagers can't either) until they provide the fixes. We can cherry-pick them into ubuntu then.
[20:27] <XiXaQ> I'm asking whether or not fixes from evolution will be forwarded to the stable release or if I have to wait until the next release, but I guess that page gives me some hope.
[20:28] <afflux> oh. Sorry, I misunderstood that. Yes, that would need a SRU then, and I think crashes are suitable for that
[20:32] <XiXaQ> crashes, and I'm working on the large number of category related bugs, which doesn't cause evolution to crash, but only renders a big part of it useless.
[20:33] <XiXaQ> those should be perfectly safe fixes though, so I guess it'll at least have a chance. I think evolution deserves some special attention.
[21:02] <salty-horse> shouldn't this be a priority? for some production systems, those 7 minutes are important: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/157608/
[21:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157608 in ntp "Adjust Time -> Sync with Internet Time Servers never syncs." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:20] <Kmos> salty-horse: ask in #ubuntu-devel
[22:16] <afflux> Yasumoto: please release the lock on the 5-a-day branch: bzr break-lock bzr+ssh://yasumoto7@bazaar.launchpad.net/~5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/
[22:59] <thekorn> afflux, did you found the lost ~40 bugs in the 5-a-day stats?
[23:00] <afflux> thekorn: nope, opened a question and found out that 1.) daniel is not a anwers contact, 2.) I cannot subscribe people to questions yet :)
[23:01] <afflux> thekorn: kiko suggested to write him an email, so I replied to daniels 5-a-day mail on bugsquad, I think he'll look into it when he has some time
[23:02] <thekorn> afflux, hehe, I just found out that there is a diff between the number of lines in peoples data-files and the bug count on the stats page also for other people
[23:03] <afflux> ah
[23:03] <afflux> good to hear, it's not me being to stupid :)
[23:04] <thekorn> afflux, ok, it seems some of your bugs a private, this might be one part of the diff
[23:06] <thekorn> afflux, for your data file i get exactly 40 bugs where launchpadbugs raises an error when parsing  the bugs
[23:06] <thekorn> that's it
[23:07] <afflux> ah
[23:08] <thekorn> afflux, will answer to your mail with my results
[23:09] <afflux> thanks
[23:42] <afflux> good night :)