| ember | asac there? | 02:52 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:12 |
| crevette | hello | 07:23 |
| crevette | hey seb128 | 07:37 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 07:37 |
| crevette | seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/207508 ; I would tend to lose it as Invalid and say to use the session manager | 07:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 207508 in empathy "no way to stop empathy startup with session" [Undecided,New] | 07:37 |
| seb128 | crevette: right | 07:38 |
| crevette | =okay | 07:38 |
| crevette | thanks | 07:38 |
| huats | morning evryone | 09:07 |
| seb128_ | hey huats | 09:08 |
| lmanul | Morning everyone! | 09:08 |
| huats | lut seb128 | 09:15 |
| seb128_ | ok | 09:46 |
| seb128_ | I'm going to do a totem-plugins-extra | 09:46 |
| seb128_ | which will not be on the cd | 09:46 |
| seb128_ | and contain the mythtv, lirc and gromit plugins | 09:47 |
| seb128_ | anybody has an objection to the change? | 09:47 |
| MacSlow | kwwii, the new tooltip-icons look good sofar | 10:23 |
| seb128_ | hey MacSlow | 10:25 |
| MacSlow | seb128_, salut | 10:25 |
| pochu | hi all | 10:25 |
| crevette | guen morgen | 10:26 |
| seb128_ | MacSlow: do you intend to look at all the desktop effects tab bugs assigned to you for months before hardy? | 10:26 |
| crevette | guten | 10:26 |
| MacSlow | seb128_, atm I'm putting the last touches on profiles and shortcuts... keybuk wants me to work on the face-browser right after that and skip bug-squashing this cycle | 10:27 |
| MacSlow | seb128_, if you want to change my schedule persuade him... not me :) | 10:28 |
| kwwii | MacSlow: cool :-) | 10:28 |
| * kwwii heads out for a longer lunch | 10:41 | |
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| === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| lapo | ciao | 11:50 |
| === Baba-B00ie is now known as MBR | ||
| === MBR is now known as Baba-Booie | ||
| === huats is now known as huats_ | ||
| vuntz | seb128: my preferred packager | 14:39 |
| seb128 | hey vuntz ;-) | 14:39 |
| vuntz | seb128: question from a packager point of view | 14:39 |
| vuntz | (for a panel patch) | 14:39 |
| vuntz | for the new gnome-session, we need to install gnome-panel.desktop in /usr/share/applications and in another directory | 14:39 |
| vuntz | would packagers be happy with a symlink? | 14:40 |
| vuntz | or is it better to have the same file twice? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | what other directory? | 14:40 |
| vuntz | /usr/share/gnome-session/default or something like this | 14:41 |
| seb128 | I guess a symlink is alright in any case | 14:41 |
| vuntz | ok | 14:41 |
| vuntz | I thought it could cause some problems, but if it's fine, good :-) | 14:41 |
| seb128 | vuntz: btw I'm not sure I understood what will be responsive to store applications coordinates, workspaces, etc | 14:42 |
| seb128 | vuntz: symlinks are usually no issue | 14:42 |
| vuntz | it should be the apps | 14:42 |
| vuntz | (via gtk+) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | they can go cross mounts, etc | 14:42 |
| seb128 | vuntz: any reason it can't be done on the wm side? | 14:42 |
| vuntz | seb128: because it's a horrible hack? :-) | 14:43 |
| vuntz | what happens if you change the wm? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | I don't like the idea to force every application to do the same things | 14:43 |
| seb128 | well, yours mean that you will never have non gtk applications behave correctly | 14:44 |
| seb128 | users don't change wm | 14:44 |
| seb128 | and if they do they can redo placement | 14:44 |
| vuntz | seb128: fd.o spec, etc. | 14:44 |
| vuntz | there's clearly work to do to have this correctly work, though | 14:44 |
| seb128 | you will never have 10 years old applications to follow fd.org spec | 14:45 |
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| seb128 | it would be so much easier to let the wm do the work | 14:45 |
| seb128 | change one thing | 14:45 |
| seb128 | rather than patching every cycle application in the world to use the same api | 14:45 |
| seb128 | s/cycle/single | 14:46 |
| seb128 | well, if you think that's the way to go | 14:46 |
| seb128 | but I've some doubt on the fact that we will have something working correctly any time soon if every application need to be modified to work | 14:46 |
| vuntz | seb128: the wm way can only be hacky, so it's not good in the long-term | 14:47 |
| seb128 | yours is not good either | 14:48 |
| seb128 | the only solid way is to never shutdown | 14:48 |
| seb128 | always use suspend to ram or disk and reload from that | 14:48 |
| seb128 | and don't crash | 14:49 |
| seb128 | I just don't think that having complex logic in applications to store the placement will scale | 14:51 |
| seb128 | it means complicate code, bugs, extra work, etc | 14:51 |
| vuntz | seb128: why? | 14:53 |
| seb128 | why what? | 14:54 |
| vuntz | why would it be more complex? | 14:54 |
| * vuntz thinks seb128 should be able to read his mind instead ;-) | 14:54 | |
| seb128 | because you have to use this api | 14:54 |
| seb128 | which is higher complexity than do nothing and let the wm do the work | 14:54 |
| vuntz | seb128: no. It would just work: gtk_application_new("myname") and that's all | 14:54 |
| seb128 | that should be part of gtk_init() then ;-) | 14:55 |
| seb128 | well, that means you transform gtk to a window manager | 14:55 |
| seb128 | it has to know on what screen, viewport, positions, etc the dialog is now | 14:55 |
| seb128 | where the wm already has all those informations | 14:56 |
| pochu | asac: thanks for the liferea fix :) | 15:42 |
| asac | np :) | 15:43 |
| asac | but see how botty i am ... i even forgot which function call i added 10 seconds after editing the xul patch :) ... its GTKEmbedGlueStartupInternal() not GREStartGlueInternal | 15:44 |
| asac | s/botty/buggy/ | 15:46 |
| pitti | seb128: doing MacSlow's libwnck sponsoring now | 16:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: danke | 16:48 |
| pitti | MacSlow: hm, I don't notice any difference (new libwnck), but at least my panel still works :) where are the missing icons? | 16:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: workspace switcher tooltip I guess | 16:50 |
| pitti | looks exactly the same to me | 16:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: if you use compiz | 16:50 |
| pitti | ah | 16:51 |
| seb128 | do you use compiz? | 16:51 |
| pitti | desktop == metacity | 16:51 |
| pitti | on the laptop, yes, but it's off ATM | 16:51 |
| seb128 | under compiz you have extra actions there | 16:51 |
| seb128 | the scale and expo ones | 16:51 |
| pitti | actually I switched my desktop back to metacity because compiz' session management is broken | 16:51 |
| pitti | but now that metacity's session management regressed to a comparable dysfunctionality, it doesn't actually matter any more... | 16:52 |
| * pitti sighs | 16:52 | |
| nxvl | seb128: i have notice some problem when i don't use compiz | 16:52 |
| pitti | (that's not what I meant with "compiz' session management shuold be as good as metacity's") | 16:52 |
| nxvl | seb128: for example if i click on a link on evolution, firefox goes to the desktop where evolution is, instead of open it in the one it is opened | 16:53 |
| seb128 | nxvl: that's a known issue | 16:53 |
| nxvl | seb128: and that's a bug on firefox or in metacity/compiz? | 16:55 |
| seb128 | not sure | 16:56 |
| seb128 | I think the firefox guys blame the wm | 16:56 |
| walters | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482354 | 16:56 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 482354 in general "gtk_window_present() causes full applications to move workspaces" [Normal,New] | 16:56 |
| walters | i have the fedora metacity patched | 16:56 |
| seb128 | elijah wrote that the hack is not a nice one | 16:58 |
| walters | virtual desktops themselves are a gigantic hack | 16:59 |
| seb128 | did you change it to special case firefox? | 16:59 |
| walters | no | 16:59 |
| walters | they didn't suggest a way to do that | 16:59 |
| walters | i suppose i could look at the kwin code | 16:59 |
| seb128 | I'm just wondering why it's going to break | 16:59 |
| seb128 | according to elijah it's going to break things | 16:59 |
| walters | i wouldn't say it "breaks" anything | 16:59 |
| seb128 | which is not really useful comment | 17:00 |
| walters | it changes the behavior of some cases | 17:00 |
| MacSlow | pitti, do you have compiz running and enabled expo- and scale-plugins? | 17:09 |
| MacSlow | pitti, if not you'll not see anything :) | 17:09 |
| pitti | right | 17:10 |
| MacSlow | pitti, have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/tooltips.png | 17:10 |
| MacSlow | pitti, there used to be zoom too... but since that is usually only triggered via a mouse-binding (and those are not exposable via gtk-accelerators) I skipped it. | 17:11 |
| Amaranth | seb128: that's not nice to do (that patch) | 17:17 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: what patch? | 17:17 |
| Amaranth | the metacity one | 17:17 |
| seb128 | ah | 17:17 |
| seb128 | why? | 17:17 |
| Amaranth | if you read the whole bug you see there are several distinct use cases here | 17:18 |
| seb128 | MacSlow, (pitti since you do sponsoring): did you talk to ted btw? he's working on moving those items to the context menu rather than the tooltip as decided some time ago | 17:18 |
| Amaranth | sometimes you want it to move, sometimes you want to move to it, sometimes you want it to flash in the taskbar | 17:18 |
| Amaranth | the spec needs to be updated to include a hint windows can set | 17:19 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: right, I think everybody agrees on that | 17:20 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: but meanwhile firefox looks broken and we want to get that fixed this cycle | 17:21 |
| Amaranth | i will have no part in 'fixing' this for compiz | 17:21 |
| Amaranth | you're breaking my uses to fix firefox | 17:22 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: well, the upstream bug mentions special casing firefox | 17:23 |
| kagou | hi | 18:03 |
| calc | anyone around here that knows about mime types? | 20:30 |
| calc | i need help asap | 20:30 |
| calc | i have to update the mime types in OOo but i don't know what to run against example files to generate the official mimetype name to use in /usr/lib/mime and /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop MimeType= | 20:31 |
| Amaranth | calc: gvfs-info foo.odt | grep content | 20:41 |
| calc | also found the mimetype program :) | 20:44 |
| calc | Amaranth: thanks | 20:44 |
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