[01:02] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer: now fixed up to samsungq1u full target creation
[01:02] <lool> evolution-data-server finally decided to build on i386
[01:02] <ToddBrandt> lool: sweet, I'll try rebuilding again
[01:03] <bspencer> lool, hm.. is that  a known problem?
[01:03] <lool> bspencer: Which one?
[01:05] <bspencer> lool,  what is samsungglu ?
[01:05] <lool> samsung q1 ultra full
[01:05] <bspencer> oh
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: you online?
[08:44] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: yes
[08:48] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: how do I see the list of bugs assigned to moblin-applets for hardy?
[08:48] <ToddBrandt> Are they mixed in with the gutsy bugs?
[08:49] <ToddBrandt> I finally have a working hardy image and want to get some of these bugs off the radar
[08:51] <Mithrandir> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moblin-applets/ you mean?
[08:52] <ToddBrandt> ahh, there it is
[08:52] <ToddBrandt> thanks
[14:44] <cgregan> Is there a wiki out there for setting up a Xephyr session for UME?
[14:45] <RwL> cgregan: no a wiki, but I finally got UME going in Xephyr via these instructions: http://www.moblin.org/documentation_howto/howto_create-image.php
[14:45] <cgregan> RwL: Thanks
[14:46] <RwL> do you already have a version of Moblin Image Creator installed?
[15:12] <RwL> can anyone point me to a list of the default home screen apps for UME? I've been messing around, installing all kinds of things to see if they'll work, and I've found myself with 65 icons when I view all. Wondering which ones made it on there with which installations.
[16:03] <smoser> does anyone know the difference between "Mobile Developer" and "Mobile Engineer" (http://www.ubuntu.com/employment) ?
[16:06] <lool> RwL: The default list should be mostly the one pulled by the ubuntu-mobile meta package
[16:06] <lool> RwL: Any FreeDesktop app is probably listed by default for now
[16:06] <agoliveira> smoser: The Ubuntu Mobile Engineer will work with the core team and  Developer with MID Team which has different responsabilities.
[16:06] <smagoun> smoser: there's not much practical difference. I think one reports to the core ubuntu mobile team, and one works for the team that customizes UM for various OEM/ODMs. The two teams work quite closely, and many responsibilities are shared.
[16:07] <lool> smagoun: But if you're smart, take the UME one
[16:07] <lool> :-P
[16:07] <lool> s/smagoung/smoser, but just kidding anyway
[16:08] <smagoun> lool: nah, we (MID/MSG Team) get more new hardware to play with!
[16:08] <smoser> agoliveira, smagoun thanks.  I had thought that it might be a statement of level (ie, one being a promotion from the other).
[16:08] <smoser> thanks.
[16:09] <smagoun> smoser: no promotion that I'm aware of, if you find out there is one please let me know!
[16:09] <lool> smoser: If you're good enough, you can get the UME position from the start, yeah
[16:09] <lool> Ah /me stops joking and gets back to work
[16:10] <agoliveira> smagoun: Yeah that gives you some geek points but I rather work from my home or from the beach if I want to :)
[16:10] <lool> agoliveira: Hmm I think Lexington isn't a hard requirement anymore now
[16:10] <smagoun> agoliveira: I work in the office, and I get to sit RIGHT NEXT TO ChickenCutlass.
[16:11] <lool> smagoun: And that's a feature?  :)
[16:11] <Sciri> And I get to throw things at smagoun.
[16:11] <agoliveira> lool: Can you please, don't spoil my turn in the pissing contest? :)
[16:11] <agoliveira> smagoun: Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know that. :P
[16:31] <RwL> lool: afraid I don't know how to find/identify that meta package... I found /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-mobile via find but all I see is the changelog
[16:36] <lool> RwL: It's a package, you'll see it in your preferred package manager!?!
[16:36] <lool> RwL: "apt-get install ubuntu-mobile" will install it for example
[16:41] <RwL> ah, OK... I'm browsing the package now in Synaptic but I'm still clueless on how to identify where or how it pulls the list of default apps I was interested in.
[16:58] <lool> Meeting in 2
[16:59]  * ToddBrandt is here
[17:00]  * agoliveira is here but forgot the coffee... sigh...
[17:00] <lool> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is lool.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <lool> Hi all
[17:00] <ToddBrandt> oy
[17:00] <lool> Let's start with the action items!
[17:00] <lool> [topic] Debbie to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted]
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Debbie to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted] 
[17:01] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Heya; so I think you did this
[17:01] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: yes I did.
[17:01] <DebbieFoghorn> The charts are on our internal wiki
[17:01] <lool> So you wrote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage
[17:02] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Could you please promote the chart on the public wiki?  I think Pat gave is ok
[17:02] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: Sure, I'll do that now.
[17:02] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Thanks; should I keep the action open?  I guess not, people will see them on the same wiki page, right?
[17:03] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: And thanks for putting that together
[17:03] <lool> Moving to next action otem
[17:03] <lool> *item sorry
[17:03] <lool> [topic] kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored [cted]f
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored [cted]f 
[17:03] <lool> kyleN: I see you compiled some results on the wiki already
[17:03] <lool> kyleN: Tell us more
[17:05] <kyleN> for some reason, I am seeing no messages. I will log out and in.
[17:05] <lool> See you in a sec
[17:05] <lool> kyleN: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136/
[17:06] <lool> kyleN: Seeing messages now?
[17:07] <lool> Hmm I guess we'll defer the actions to later in the meeting
[17:07] <kyleN> hey
[17:07] <kyleN> there it is
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: hey, you copy now?
[17:07] <kyleN> is it my action item?
[17:07] <kyleN> yes
[17:07] <kyleN> irc client bug, sorry
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: It is
[17:08] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136
[17:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6136 
[17:08] <kyleN> ok, I made progress on my action
[17:08] <kyleN> the problem as I see it is translating hildon
[17:08] <kyleN> i divided it into a series of problems and came up with solutions
[17:09] <lool> kyleN: Are these on the wiki?
[17:09] <kyleN> I wrote it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation
[17:09] <kyleN> the bottom line is that I now see a path towards translating hildon
[17:09] <kyleN> which is a relief
[17:09] <kyleN> it will require several things, but see the wiki
[17:09] <kyleN> there are a couple questions near the bottom that need addressing
[17:10] <lool> Not quite sure why you started a new page instead of changing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack
[17:10] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonTranslation 
[17:10] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack 
[17:11] <kyleN> translating hildon is related but different
[17:12] <lool> Well I see many common tasks in both pages
[17:12] <kyleN> fine. I wrote this last night at 2 a.m.
[17:13] <lool> So back to the action point, the actual goal was to build domains <-> source packages maps; I see a map at the bottom of your page
[17:14] <lool> It seems that it's a consumer map; do you also have a provider map?
[17:14] <kyleN> i don't know what you mean
[17:14] <lool> It's a list of where domains are in use; do you have a list of where to find templates?
[17:14] <kyleN> yes, i describe it in the wiki
[17:15] <kyleN> each of the source packages I ID there has the appropriate source template
[17:15] <lool> Oh it's on the right, ok
[17:15] <kyleN> what I did was:
[17:15] <lool> kyleN: Looks good
[17:15] <kyleN> 1) find all domains called by hildon packages we use
[17:16] <kyleN> 2) find the source templates in maemo
[17:16] <kyleN> it took a lot of work to get there, but c'est la vie
[17:16] <kyleN> and describe how we can actually translate hildon, with a couple options
[17:17] <kyleN> and open questions
[17:17] <lool> kyleN: The results are quite useful though: we now can tell what we miss and where we will find it
[17:17] <kyleN> cool.
[17:17] <kyleN> some of it is automated using my python tool. 
[17:17] <kyleN> that's the part that analyzes source packages nad provides a report of domains called
[17:18] <lool> kyleN: That's excellent, it means that if hildon folks add modules or move things around, we can rebuild the map
[17:18] <DebbieFoghorn> lool: FYI, the bootcharts are now uploaded to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage.  Let me know if you need anything else from me.
[17:18] <kyleN> yes, with some work
[17:18] <lool> DebbieFoghorn: Thanks
[17:18] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage
[17:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/GeneratingBootchartsForUMEImage 
[17:18] <lool> Ok; thanks a lot to kyleN 
[17:18] <lool> Moving to next action now
[17:18] <kyleN> my pleasure
[17:19] <lool> [topic] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted] 
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: It's you again \o/ :)
[17:19] <kyleN> alas, I will have to take another pass on this, offering up the usual (but valid) excuses
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: So some meetings ago we wondered what hildon-help is and whether we need it
[17:19] <lool> kyleN: Ok
[17:19] <lool> [action] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted] [cted] [cted] 
[17:19] <lool> [topic] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted]
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted] 
[17:20] <lool> So
[17:20] <lool> I didn't see any uploads of these; did someone work on them?
[17:20] <lool> bfiller_, smagoun, horaceli (bspencer?)?
[17:20] <smagoun> lool: no time yet :(
[17:20] <lool> agoliveira
[17:20] <lool> I didn't do my second module either
[17:20] <bfiller_> lool: same here, did not get to it
[17:21] <lool> I know agoliveira was in conference last week
[17:21]  * agoliveira is ashamed to say not yet but intends to complete until next meeting saving any emergency.
[17:21] <lool> Ok; so I'm keeping the weekly review open
[17:21] <lool> [action] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted] [cted]
[17:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted] [cted] [cted] 
[17:21] <lool> [topic] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted]
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] 
[17:21] <lool> It's my turn to announce I failed doing this again
[17:22] <bspencer> lool:  We /would/ have done our Hildon 2.0 update... but we didn't have a document to follow
[17:22] <bspencer> :P
[17:22] <lool> Easter, busy week, and Moblin conf call yesterday; I didn't manage to put a solid chunk of time to do it
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: Ah, I do have notes on that
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: I'll add them to the Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[17:22] <lool> bspencer: The path I followed is quite painful, some shortcuts can be taken
[17:23]  * agoliveira didn't like much the last lool's line :)
[17:23] <lool> [action] lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[17:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page 
[17:23] <lool> agoliveira: It actually means you wont have a nearly as painful path ;)
[17:24] <lool> Back to documenting the tarball -> ppa update process; I'll do it tomorrow for sure unless hit by a truck or a new high priority assignment, but it's highest on my todo list I swear
[17:24] <lool> s/swear/promess
[17:24] <lool> swearing is bad
[17:25] <lool> [action] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th] 
[17:25] <lool> [topic] lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted]
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted] 
[17:25] <lool> Hmm this is about the same
[17:25] <lool> Not quite sure why I have it as two actions; but i'll send it to rustyl_ immediately after it's written!
[17:26] <rustyl_> ok
[17:26] <lool> [action] lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th]
[17:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th] 
[17:26] <lool> [topic] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week]
[17:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week] 
[17:26] <lool> rustyl_: So hmm, nothing to discuss; I'm still blocking you sadly, but should resolve tomorrow
[17:26] <rustyl_> ok
[17:27] <lool> [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...]
[17:27] <lool> [topic] ToddBrandt to talk to bspencer and mawhalen about the merging with Hardy and bfiller and lool, etc.
[17:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...] 
[17:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  ToddBrandt to talk to bspencer and mawhalen about the merging with Hardy and bfiller and lool, etc. 
[17:27] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer, mawhalen: ^
[17:27] <lool> We didn't do this
[17:27] <bspencer> true... remind again about it?
[17:27] <lool> ToddBrandt, bspencer, mawhalen: we're happy to host the confcall if needs be; could you send bfiller_ and myself an agenda?
[17:28] <lool> bspencer: I have no idea, I understand it was proposed by you folks; probably in last week's minutes
[17:28] <bspencer> yeah, I proposed it
[17:28] <mawhalen> I don't know what this is either
[17:28] <bspencer> what were we talking about though.
[17:28] <bspencer> merging Control Panel applets with upstream ?
[17:28] <bfiller_> bspencer: it had to do with keeping moblin-applets in sync (or not) with gnome
[17:28] <ToddBrandt> oh right
[17:29] <bspencer> ok.  it's all coming back to me now
[17:29] <bspencer> yeah, we didn't do that yet.
[17:29] <lool> I think davidm requested this action twice
[17:29] <ToddBrandt> the plusses and minuses of maintaining moblin-applets with completely up-to-date additions from its parent package: gnome-control-center
[17:29] <lool> I didn't quite understand it last week TBH
[17:29] <fbc> Hi all! I just read the write up on fullcirclemagazine.org and was wondering whether there would be a branch of the project that would run on Intels Xscale processors such as those in the Motorola Q's?
[17:29] <lool> fbc: We're in the middle of a meeting right now; could you ask after the meeting?  Thanks!
[17:29] <fbc> all.. sry
[17:29] <bspencer> lool: continue the action.
[17:30] <bspencer> what time can we meet to discuss ?
[17:30] <bspencer> Monday...10amPDT ?
[17:30] <lool> bspencer: The 5pm UTC slot could be a good one for; it's morning for MSG and evening here
[17:30] <lool> Early morning for you
[17:30] <bspencer> 5pm == ?
[17:30] <bspencer> ?PDT
[17:30] <lool> 10am PDT => 17 UTC, we agree :)
[17:31] <lool> IIUC
[17:31] <bspencer> yeah, "early" through me off
[17:31] <lool> Ah there's a catch, I'm switching to summer time this WE
[17:31] <bfiller_> bspencer, lool: that works for me
[17:31] <lool> One hour earlier would be preferable for me, but I can do it
[17:32] <bspencer> Monday 10am sound OK for ToddBrandt mawhalen  (maybe rustyl_ if he's around) for a short discussion on future of moblin-applets vs. gnome ?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> sounds good
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> oh wait, this monday?
[17:32] <lool> Yes
[17:32] <mawhalen> Is is a phone meeting or IRC?
[17:32] <lool> mawhalen: phone
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> Crap, I have an appointment with my accoundtant this monday
[17:32] <lool> Wednesday?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> can you make it Tuesday?
[17:32] <ToddBrandt> sure
[17:32] <lool> Or Tuesday would work at that time
[17:33] <lool> bfiller_: Tuesday?
[17:33] <bspencer> Tues yes, Wed no.
[17:33] <lool> I'm not sure davidm's conference line is free though
[17:33] <bspencer> we can set the conference, np.
[17:33] <bfiller_> lool: Tuesday works
[17:33] <lool> bspencer: Can you send us details for Tuesday, 5pm UTC?
[17:33] <bspencer> I'll send an invite for Tue 10am PDT  5PM utc
[17:33] <bspencer> ACTION bOB...
[17:34] <lool> bspencer: Well no need to review this "action" next week ;)
[17:34] <bspencer> sure
[17:34] <lool> Ok; done with action items
[17:34] <lool> Moving to current items
[17:34] <lool> [topic] Moblin implementation of gettext and intltool, how's it going? (kyleN)
[17:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Moblin implementation of gettext and intltool, how's it going? (kyleN) 
[17:34] <kyleN> Lool and I both wrote up wiki pages on impl'ing i18n. I believe Moblin was going to do this for all relevant packages (those that expose strings in UI). What is the status of this effort? 
[17:35] <lool> bspencer, rustyl_: Could we assign i18nization or at least l10nization to Moblin projects maintainers?
[17:35] <bspencer> we've filed bugs for outstand i18n bugts in media player
[17:35] <bspencer> most are fixed.  media import still has a bug
[17:35] <bspencer> I know of one other moblin-media location that isn't yet i18n
[17:35] <lool> bspencer: Which Moblin projects are i18ned/miss it?
[17:36] <bspencer> cwong... hm, not online.
[17:36] <lool> If you don't have the information and think you can build it, can we build it for next week?
[17:36] <bspencer> I think browser is already, following Firefox mechanism
[17:36] <bspencer> lool: yes.
[17:36] <bspencer> ToddBrandt: is appletsw i18n ?
[17:36] <lool> bspencer: Ok for you to take the action?
[17:36] <bspencer> lool: love to
[17:36] <lool> Cool
[17:36] <HappyCamp_laptop> kyleN: Can you send the link to the wiki page?  for i18n stuff
[17:36] <ToddBrandt> moblin-applets is, is that what you mean?
[17:36] <lool> [action] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[17:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project 
[17:37] <kyleN> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode
[17:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode 
[17:38] <kyleN> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart
[17:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart 
[17:38] <lool> Ok; sounds like a plan then
[17:38] <lool> Anything else on the topic?
[17:38] <HappyCamp_laptop> thanks
[17:38] <kyleN> not from me, thank god
[17:38] <kyleN> ;)
[17:38] <lool> No other topic to discuss?
[17:39] <kyleN> one
[17:39] <HappyCamp_laptop> so nothing about i18n for python?
[17:39] <ToddBrandt> lool: what about the gtk_theme gconf stuff I was supposed to add to moblin-setings-daemon
[17:39] <kyleN> HappyCamp_laptop: I actually mention MIC as a model for doing it in python
[17:39] <lool> ToddBrandt: Hmm how come we missed that action
[17:39] <ToddBrandt> lool: it's there now in GASTON
[17:39] <HappyCamp_laptop> k.  The title I thought said C code from my very quick look.  Will check it out :)
[17:39] <kyleN> ToddBrandt: thanks for remembering
[17:39] <lool> ToddBrandt: For some reason, it's not on the action list
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: Let's do it
[17:40] <lool> [topic] ToddBrandt's action on gtk_theme gconf stuff for moblin-setings-daemon
[17:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  ToddBrandt's action on gtk_theme gconf stuff for moblin-setings-daemon 
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> lool: I haven't put it in hardy yet because I need to test it on gaston first, is there an app you'd like me to make sure works?
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: I see you committed stuff on that today
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> yea
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandt: I think that if you test it works with gconftool-2, it will be good enough
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> oh that's it?
[17:40] <ToddBrandt> not theme-switcher or anything, ok
[17:41] <lool> ToddBrandt: Well I think that's all you were asked, but then if you feel like also implementing a theme switching applet, you would be welcome
[17:41] <kyleN> +1
[17:41] <ToddBrandt> I need to, it's on my plate, it's just way off on the side of the plate, I'll look at that this week
[17:42] <lool> ToddBrandt: But thanks for your efforts in implementing this
[17:42] <ToddBrandt> no problem, sorry for the lateness btw
[17:42] <kyleN> totally
[17:42] <lool> I think it was a missing infrastructure for MSG folks which can now happily implement some theme switching in /some way/ :)
[17:42] <lool> Ok; any other topic to discuss today?
[17:42] <kyleN> one
[17:42] <lool> kyleN: Go ahead
[17:42] <kyleN> can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media?
[17:43] <lool> [topic] (kyleN) can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media?
[17:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  (kyleN) can moblin characterize whether they will fix gestures in media? 
[17:43] <lool> kyleN: So you're seeing a bug or missing feature and would like to know whether support or fixing support for this is planned?
[17:43] <patm> kyleN, while in Portland I was told that this feature was removed due to lack of interest, although I did not see the discussion that lead to that
[17:44] <kyleN> nor I
[17:44] <kyleN> I think it's very much wanted and appropriate
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: Who would know?
[17:44] <bspencer> no gestures
[17:44] <bspencer> what does gestures mean?
[17:44] <bspencer> when were there gestures?
[17:44] <kyleN> it measns lide finger to right to page to next photo
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: You move the stylus to the right, it switches to the next song
[17:45] <kyleN> slide finger to scale up, scale down
[17:45] <kyleN> slide to rotate
[17:45] <bspencer> yeah, I understand
[17:45] <kyleN> these used to work
[17:45] <bspencer> witt the current media player no gestures are planned
[17:45] <bspencer> they didn't work with the current navigation though
[17:45] <kyleN> (maybe not scale)
[17:45] <bspencer> touch zoom, panning, etc.
[17:45] <bspencer> they would just surprise the user
[17:45] <patm> bspencer, who decided for panning over gestures?
[17:45] <bspencer> me
[17:46] <patm> our issue is the customer had this interface for 3 months then it disappeared
[17:46]  * agoliveira thinks this should be done in a lower lever to be avaiable to every application.
[17:46] <bspencer> patm: you could go back to pre-panning and get the code
[17:46] <bspencer> I honestly found it awkward, esp when there was no visual feedback
[17:47] <bspencer> you would move your finger and suddenly the picture changed 
[17:47] <lool> But it's in CocoaTouch!
[17:47] <patm> I understand, was there a discussion about the change?
[17:47] <bspencer> :)
[17:47] <bspencer> we changed it about 4 months ago or more.  Bfeore our last get together
[17:47] <patm> I will have to ask the customers which they prefer now
[17:48] <bspencer> patm: ok.  Let me know and we can find the previous code
[17:48] <patm> bspencer, appreciate some help, thanks
[17:48] <lool> patm: "We want both with a setting to switch between the two" muahahaa
[17:48] <kyleN> lol w/ lool
[17:48] <patm> lool, yikes
[17:49] <lool> Okely; anything more on the topic?
[17:49] <lool> Anybody with an additional surprize topic?
[17:49] <patm> I have one
[17:49] <lool> Go ahead
[17:49]  * agoliveira runs away as fast as possible
[17:49] <patm> who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team?
[17:50] <patm> like for marvell 8686 an d8688
[17:50] <mawhalen> It's Feng Tang
[17:50] <lool> [topic] (patm) who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team?
[17:50] <patm> mawhalen, will you be on the cal later?
[17:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  (patm) who is the current contact for wifi drivers on the moblin team? 
[17:50] <alek_desk> tang feng
[17:51] <mawhalen> patm: I will and I had sent your previous email to Feng and just got a reply back
[17:51] <alek_desk> feng.tang@intel.com
[17:51] <mawhalen> We can discuss
[17:51] <patm> ok we can defer until the call thanks
[17:51] <mawhalen> in the next meting
[17:51] <mawhalen> meeting
[17:51] <patm> ok lool thanks
[17:51] <lool> Okay; topic seems done
[17:51] <mawhalen> lool: are you calling for opens?
[17:51] <fbc> How about moblelin for xscale?
[17:52] <lool> mawhalen: I'm waiting for any other topic to discuss today
[17:52] <lool> fbc: See FAQ in topic
[17:52] <fbc> lool, k
[17:52] <agoliveira> fbc: Please, check the FAQ.
[17:52] <mawhalen> lool: we should discuss PPM - patm could lead.
[17:52] <mawhalen> mbbas is online
[17:52] <mawhalen> sorry - mabbas
[17:52] <HappyCamp_laptop> fbc did anyone mention the FAQ ;)
[17:52] <lool> [topic] (mawhalen) PPM discussion
[17:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  (mawhalen) PPM discussion 
[17:52] <bspencer> lool:  do I have to update the website, or can I just mention that both hardy and non-hardy images were broken this week but are now fixed and should be working.  <end of topic>
[17:52] <lool> mawhalen: Could you introduce the topic?
[17:53] <mawhalen> I was under the impression that there were opens with PPM that need to be discussed.  
[17:53] <lool> bspencer: Not quite sure which website you mean?
[17:53] <patm> mabbas, mawhalen there was a discussion at the last sprint...
[17:53] <lool> patm: Do you have questions on ppm?
[17:53] <mawhalen> patm: i can't find the minutes
[17:53] <patm> and a number of actions were captured and posted to the wiki
[17:53] <lool> bspencer: But sure, do update it if you like
[17:53] <patm> I sent a pointer but it is on an internal shared wiki not public
[17:54] <patm> the basic question is status vs that work, and the current state of the PPM
[17:54] <patm> is it in use for anything in the current build, was the power button logic intergated to it?
[17:55]  * lool (female voice) tuduh    FIVE
[17:55] <patm> were the modularization changes to run scripts made to it?
[17:55] <mabbas> do I reporta status here?
[17:55] <bspencer> lool:  clever :)
[17:55] <patm> mabbas, briefly then a follow up email?
[17:56] <mawhalen> patm: and just caught up with email, I'll send the list to Mohamed from the wiki
[17:56] <bspencer> mabbas:  we have an ongoing AR to send a status report of the week's work for mobile stuff to this list.  Then we can discuss any outstanding issues here.  But give a brief status if you want.
[17:57] <mabbas> I just got a request to integrate S3 and S4 into and now in the process to add these feature
[17:57] <mabbas> I have not done any thing for the power button logic intergated to it
[17:57] <mabbas> Who to contact for power button?
[17:58]  * lool 2 minutes to end of meeting; can't stay longer, but I'm happy to delegate
[17:58] <patm> mawhalen, lets also discuss next meeting
[17:59] <patm> I don't want to take over for lool
[17:59] <patm> lool, can we have an action to check PPM status next meeting?
[17:59] <lool> mawhalen: Can you open an item for next meeting?
[18:00] <mawhalen> yes
[18:00] <lool> Thanks!
[18:00] <GrueMaster> Very brief update.
[18:00] <GrueMaster> quick update for \sh:  wine for lpia seems to work.  System installed ie4lnx without errupting into fire and brimstone.
[18:00] <GrueMaster> Haven't tested any games.
[18:00] <lool> Cool
[18:00] <lool> Any other topic?
[18:01] <lool> Ok; thanks a lot to everybody for making it to the meeting!
[18:01] <lool> #endmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:02.
[19:18] <\sh> GrueMaster_away: thx for testing...I'm trying to enable wine for lpia :)
[19:52] <GrueMaster> \sh:  I'm back.  I didn't see any major issues with installing and running wine.
[19:53] <GrueMaster> And I don't think it will damage any platforms.  
[19:58] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster, ping
[19:59] <GrueMaster> Pong
[20:00] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster, have question about the mesa libs in psb Beta9, do the libglut so files need to be installed as well for the 3d driver to work correctly?
[20:01] <GrueMaster> No, but I think they are modified for better performance.  I just finished rebuilding for today's hardy snapshot.  I'll test it as soon as I'm done eating and get back to you.
[20:02] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: thanks
[21:03] <GrueMaster> inuka_desk:  Ping.  The only thing I see that isn't in Ubuntu by default or added by the PSB drivers is libglut.so and libGLw.so
[21:06] <GrueMaster> And I don't see any performance differences with or without them.  libGL.so and libGLU.so are also different (same names), but copying all the new drivers over the top doesn't change performance of GLXGears.
[21:07] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: the mesa libs from upstream has changes to libgl1 libglu1 which seems to make performance better for gutsy. Mesa also has libglut in it was wondering if that needs to be installed over freeglut.
[21:08] <GrueMaster> The hardy image I have didn't have libglut installed, and I don't see any difference with it.
[21:08] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: thanks, that answers my question.
[22:45] <fetter_oml> moin moin
[23:48] <GrueMaster> Anyone know what the procedure is for filing a bug?  I need to see if one is filed for changing resolutions.
[23:49] <fetter_oml> im sry, no :/
[23:50] <bspencer> is lool still around ?
[23:51] <StevenK> It's 10 to 1 am in Paris, so doubtfully
[23:51] <bspencer> yeah, but he's a crazy man
[23:58] <fetter_oml> goodnight everyone (here in .de is one o clock :D )