| ron_o | Bisclaveret, you could try $pkill <name of application> | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Bisclaveret | $pkill file-roller started the archive manage | 00:01 |
| Bisclaveret | r | 00:01 |
| Bisclaveret | the actual PROGRAM is not running | 00:01 |
| Bisclaveret | it's leaving behind dead processes | 00:01 |
| Bisclaveret | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | 00:02 |
| Bisclaveret | 6185 bisclave 17 0 0 0 0 Z 0.0 0.0 0:01.43 file-roll <defunct> | 00:02 |
| Bisclaveret | 6297 bisclave 16 0 0 0 0 Z 0.0 0.0 0:01.56 file-roll <defunct> | 00:02 |
| zoredache | ron_o: what is magnatune? Are you talking about the independant record label? | 00:02 |
| ron_o | zoredache, nevermind.. I was wondering.. It's with Amorak.. :) | 00:03 |
| ron_o | amarok* | 00:03 |
| Bisclaveret | and the only things when i google i get are reasons why (something's not sending the right signal in a system call) and posts from usenet from 93-97 describing how to code system calls | 00:04 |
| Bisclaveret | and system V | 00:04 |
| zoredache | Bisclaveret: try an sudo kill -9 pid? | 00:05 |
| Bisclaveret | example http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-13.html is a little bit more technical then i can understand ;o | 00:06 |
| Bisclaveret | zoredache: still there | 00:08 |
| Bisclaveret | is this just linux's answer to windows leaving rundll32.exe's around? ;) | 00:10 |
| TheSheep | Bisclaveret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process | 00:14 |
| Bisclaveret | TheSheep: i've read that | 00:15 |
| TheSheep | Bisclaveret: read the last paragraph | 00:17 |
| Bisclaveret | ah | 00:20 |
| Bisclaveret | i was walked through it in another channel, i found the parent | 00:20 |
| Bisclaveret | xfdesktop | 00:20 |
| TheSheep | Bisclaveret: anyways, although it is an indication of a bug, it has no negative effects, so you can just ignore it | 00:25 |
| narothepharoh | how do i get a camera to read in xubuntu 7.10? | 02:15 |
| narothepharoh | hello | 02:16 |
| narothepharoh | hello | 02:33 |
| zoredache | !repeat | 02:37 |
| ubotu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience | 02:37 |
| zoredache | anyway, what kind of camera are you talking about? a webcam or what? | 02:37 |
| zoredache | also consider asking in #ubuntu, there is usually a lot more people there | 02:38 |
| narothepharoh | zoredache: it is a digital camera and when i plug it in it does nothing | 02:42 |
| zoredache | hrm... honestly I don't even try and waste my time trying to get digital cameras working... I just use a memory card reader | 02:46 |
| zoredache | have you tried search google for your camera model on linux? | 02:49 |
| narothepharoh | zoredache: i have no program to read it do you know of one? | 02:53 |
| zoredache | to read what? | 02:54 |
| narothepharoh | the camera | 02:55 |
| narothepharoh | i know in ubuntu it automatically opens something but it doesnt do that in xubuntu | 02:56 |
| j1mc | hi maxamillion | 03:59 |
| maxamillion | jiya j1mc | 04:04 |
| maxamillion | errr ... hiya* | 04:05 |
| maxamillion | j1mc: how goes it? | 04:05 |
| j1mc | hey | 04:05 |
| j1mc | i'm ok | 04:05 |
| j1mc | you? | 04:06 |
| maxamillion | j1mc: can't complain, just got done with some homework ... thinking about reading my minix3 book but i'm feeling lazy | 04:06 |
| j1mc | yeah... | 04:07 |
| j1mc | sounds all right | 04:07 |
| maxamillion | i want to know how to write operating systems by august ... so as long as i finish the book and understand it all by august i will feel accomplished | 04:09 |
| j1mc | that would be awesome | 04:11 |
| maxamillion | yup | 04:11 |
| maxamillion | and then from there i will be reading about the internal ins and outs of the linux kernel | 04:11 |
| maxamillion | one step at a time | 04:11 |
| maxamillion | i also want to find a book on the python interpreter ... i'd really like to know how it *really* works | 04:12 |
| j1mc | :) | 04:17 |
| zoredache | why wouldn't you simply look at the source for the interpereter? | 04:26 |
| c-ron | i just upgraded to hardy from feisty, and my deskop no longer shows me removable devices in xubuntu | 04:45 |
| c-ron | haha | 04:46 |
| c-ron | nm i don't have my drives in fstab | 04:46 |
| tim__ | How do i add shortcut to TERMINAL in xfce panel ? | 04:48 |
| === HACKhalo2_ is now known as HACKhalo2 | ||
| boogieman | hello all, i'm trying to get my microphone working on xubuntu 7.10 | 07:58 |
| cody-somerville | ok | 07:58 |
| boogieman | i simply don't know what's wrong with this.. my speakers just work fine | 07:58 |
| boogieman | but not the microphone | 07:58 |
| boogieman | the machine is a compaq 6710b laptop | 07:59 |
| boogieman | the symptoms are very similar to : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176057 | 07:59 |
| boogieman | can some one pls. help me | 07:59 |
| cody-somerville | Have you tried turning up the mic volume in the mixer? | 08:00 |
| cody-somerville | or un-muting it | 08:00 |
| boogieman | mic checked | 08:05 |
| boogieman | i'm in 'Volume Control' and 'mic boost' and 'internal mic boost' are all set to the highest level | 08:09 |
| boogieman | and the mic option is checked | 08:09 |
| boogieman | how to check the installed alsa version | 08:12 |
| boogieman | ? | 08:12 |
| boogieman | i have to go guys; i'll come back later; thanks | 08:16 |
| littlexubuntu | hello all could someone save me 20 minutes of reading please | 08:49 |
| littlexubuntu | i need to know what the equilivant of gedit is in xubuntu | 08:49 |
| cody-somerville | mousepad | 08:55 |
| littlexubuntu | cool | 08:58 |
| littlexubuntu | whats the terminal command to get to it | 08:58 |
| littlexubuntu | i am used to sudo gedit sources.list | 08:58 |
| littlexubuntu | im a ubuntu user | 08:59 |
| ere4si | sudo mousepad | 09:02 |
| Ben_Cs | hello | 09:25 |
| Ben_Cs | is the hardy xubuntu going to have fusesmb (windows network) support preinstalled? | 09:26 |
| Ben_Cs | no one awake? | 09:29 |
| feanor | hi, I got the gdm login manager, but i dont know how to change the login theme ? where i have to copy the login file ? | 09:35 |
| cody-somerville | feanor, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy#head-c3d48423db698f94e344d46f186a5eb419d04fdf | 09:36 |
| cody-somerville | Ben_Cs, no | 09:36 |
| Ben_Cs | cody-somerville: why no? | 10:20 |
| cody-somerville | Ben_Cs, It simply isn't done :) | 10:21 |
| Ben_Cs | i see | 10:21 |
| cody-somerville | Sounds like a good goal for 8.10 Intrepid though | 10:21 |
| * cody-somerville goes to finish getting ready for work. | 10:22 | |
| Ben_Cs | that's 1 reason why i use linux mint xfce edit. i got fed up with configuring the network each time i have to reinstall the system. it's quite alot to edit | 10:22 |
| rrob | hi, do you know how to easy enable vncserver? like in ubuntu in gnome >settings>remote desktop>enable vnc acces - type password | 10:43 |
| ablomen | rrob, my guess is just install a vnc server (vncserver, tightvncserver or whatever) | 10:46 |
| rrob | he is installed | 10:48 |
| rrob | isnt? | 10:48 |
| rrob | how is it in ubuntu | 10:48 |
| ere4si | rrob: you have to install the server | 10:48 |
| rrob | .( i know how to do it, install, configure etc etc ... but in ubuntu it was realy easy ... two clicks ... | 10:50 |
| rrob | it is not for me .. its for enduser | 10:50 |
| ere4si | !vnc | 11:03 |
| ubotu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 11:03 |
| rrob | ok ... and im unable to connect via ssh ... i have 8.04beta .. is ssh disbled by default ? or ... is there enabled new firewall? | 11:09 |
| ere4si | rrob: what are you trying to connect to? | 11:17 |
| rrob | xubuntu 8.04 desktop ... intel pc | 11:17 |
| rrob | but | 11:17 |
| rrob | 8.04 | 11:17 |
| rrob | is lot of problems | 11:17 |
| rrob | im goint to erase it | 11:18 |
| rrob | and install 7.10 | 11:18 |
| ere4si | rrob: it is still beta atm - and you need the server on the box you are connecting to | 11:18 |
| ere4si | *vncserver | 11:18 |
| rrob | yes ... reinstaling | 11:19 |
| ere4si | k good luck :) | 11:19 |
| rrob | download ... instal (erase disk) ... update | 11:19 |
| rrob | 1hour | 11:20 |
| simplyubuntu | hey all | 11:54 |
| simplyubuntu | can anyone help me configure a modem in xubuntu... finding it difficult | 11:55 |
| rrob | simplyubuntu hi ... what kind of modem | 12:15 |
| rrob | name? | 12:16 |
| rrob | eeedarius_v do you have xubuntu on eee ?¨ | 12:18 |
| eeedarius_v | tried it but i didnt decide yet to take debian with xfce or ubuntu | 12:27 |
| eeedarius_v | xubuntu | 12:27 |
| rrob | and what sys do you have now there? | 12:27 |
| eeedarius_v | now im at debian with xfce | 12:28 |
| rrob | yes | 12:28 |
| rrob | do you know eeeXubuntu http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home | 12:29 |
| eeedarius_v | yeah | 12:29 |
| rrob | and EeeOS http://eeeos.interactivelaboratories.com/ | 12:29 |
| eeedarius_v | this is that what i meant with xubuntu xD | 12:29 |
| rrob | .) | 12:29 |
| eeedarius_v | i dont expect much from eeeos | 12:30 |
| rrob | its small | 12:31 |
| rrob | ... yeah, its not important. | 12:31 |
| rrob | im waiting for 10" version | 12:31 |
| rrob | with larger ssd | 12:31 |
| rrob | i have 16gb mtron in my pc ... i want it in eee .) | 12:31 |
| eeedarius_v | xD. | 12:32 |
| eeedarius_v | but the 7inch is the advantage of the eee xD | 12:32 |
| eeedarius_v | and its enough | 12:32 |
| eeedarius_v | now im lying in my bed xD | 12:33 |
| rrob | ... lcd is small .( | 12:34 |
| rrob | i feel pain in my back from day when i buy | 12:34 |
| rrob | it | 12:34 |
| eeedarius_v | lol | 12:34 |
| eeedarius_v | that low price thing xD | 12:34 |
| rrob | im always bent with it | 12:34 |
| rrob | yes ... but this is solution http://www.eeeuser.com/2008/03/04/next-generation-asus-eee-pc-900/ | 12:35 |
| rrob | eeedarius_v do you have some hardware mod in your eee ? | 12:39 |
| eeedarius_v | 2gb ram | 12:39 |
| rrob | .) | 12:39 |
| rrob | i think gps, bluetooth, touchscreen and so .) | 12:40 |
| eeedarius_v | the eee is good because in it is so much place | 12:40 |
| eeedarius_v | you can put in what you want | 12:40 |
| rrob | cpu 1,2GHz | 12:40 |
| eeedarius_v | grrr cpu | 12:41 |
| rrob | http://robin.lab.cz/asuseee.html#mod | 12:41 |
| eeedarius_v | but imo i dont want an eee with a bigger screen | 12:41 |
| eeedarius_v | i bought the eee because its small and handy | 12:41 |
| rrob | yes ... but with bigger screen will it have same dimensions and weight | 12:42 |
| eeedarius_v | yeah but it takes me my place and i think the ssd will be much more unstable like the one in the 701 | 12:44 |
| rrob | ?? | 12:45 |
| rrob | ok | 12:45 |
| eeedarius_v | mom pls | 12:45 |
| eeedarius_v | you have to look after the eees ssd | 12:47 |
| eeedarius_v | swap and journaling is like poison for example | 12:47 |
| eeedarius_v | and i expect a lesser sound quality from the 900 | 12:48 |
| eeedarius_v | excuse my terrible english xD | 12:50 |
| rrob | where are you from | 12:50 |
| rrob | dont worry about writing to ssd | 12:50 |
| eeedarius_v | rrob, my ssd dont even works with ext3 | 12:51 |
| rrob | ? | 12:52 |
| rrob | i havent tryed it | 12:52 |
| rrob | but on my other ssd | 12:52 |
| rrob | i havent problem wtih any filesystem | 12:52 |
| rrob | what is your language | 12:52 |
| eeedarius_v | german (or if you can persian xD) | 12:53 |
| rrob | im czech | 12:53 |
| rrob | ich habe half jahre auf deutsche schif gearbaited ... but its looooong time ago .) | 12:53 |
| eeedarius_v | thats the difference from label to label | 12:53 |
| eeedarius_v | xD | 12:54 |
| rrob | http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html | 12:54 |
| rrob | [13:47] eeedarius_v: swap and journaling is like poison for example >> why? speed? bad clusters? | 12:55 |
| eeedarius_v | ssd lifetime | 12:55 |
| eeedarius_v | even samsung just promises about 100.000 working hours | 12:56 |
| TheSheep | every bit of ssd can bechanged only limited number of times | 12:56 |
| rrob | read that link ... about lifetime | 12:56 |
| rrob | yes but he have inteligent writing | 12:56 |
| rrob | read it | 12:56 |
| eeedarius_v | you must see its just 4 and 12gb | 13:02 |
| rrob | like ma voyager flash disk | 13:03 |
| eeedarius_v | and its not the best quality | 13:03 |
| eeedarius_v | and now to get all things working with an other os is very troublesome with the 900 (and i expect a lower base there) it will get very complicated imo | 13:05 |
| rrob | lower base? | 13:06 |
| eeedarius_v | and 7inch touchpads are cheaper xD | 13:06 |
| rrob | it is same as p700 | 13:06 |
| eeedarius_v | it will have specific probs | 13:06 |
| rrob | you can build in 10" in your 7" p700 right now | 13:06 |
| rrob | but ok | 13:06 |
| eeedarius_v | and when the screen is bigger then you can see if the eee is on when its "zugeklappt" | 13:08 |
| eeedarius_v | xD | 13:08 |
| eeedarius_v | gonna take a shower afk | 13:08 |
| eeedarius_v | re | 13:16 |
| Jahromeo | guys does xubuntu use same repos as ubuntu? | 13:36 |
| cody-somerville | Jahromeo, yes | 13:36 |
| Jahromeo | xubuntu is the low spec end rightr? | 13:39 |
| Jahromeo | it will run fine on 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram right? | 13:39 |
| Jahromeo | i want to make that old box in to a tv | 13:39 |
| Jahromeo | no capturing just a plain tv | 13:39 |
| Jahromeo | any ideas? | 13:39 |
| ere4si | it might have issues with digital tv | 13:40 |
| Jahromeo | its anologue - well its normal coaxial aerial | 13:41 |
| Jahromeo | what would a good tv proggie be | 13:41 |
| Jahromeo | and where can i view support for tv card | 13:41 |
| ere4si | there's mythbuntu - uses mythtv | 13:41 |
| ere4si | !tv | 13:41 |
| ubotu | http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out | 13:41 |
| Jahromeo | so that would be in xubuntu repos? | 13:42 |
| ere4si | yep | 13:42 |
| Jahromeo | xubuntu would run fine on a 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram? | 13:42 |
| Jahromeo | hdd size is not important i have ides lying around | 13:42 |
| ere4si | it'll run ok | 13:42 |
| Jahromeo | eeek ok | 13:42 |
| Jahromeo | ok enough to watch tv or ok like microsoft thinks vista runs ok on 512mb ram :P | 13:42 |
| Jahromeo | caus the second ok scares me | 13:43 |
| ere4si | but the tv part I am not sure about - might be a little light that system | 13:43 |
| Jahromeo | pfffft | 13:43 |
| Jahromeo | works fine in win 98 :P | 13:43 |
| ere4si | hehe | 13:43 |
| ere4si | like I said - i am not sure :) | 13:43 |
| Jahromeo | pffft | 13:44 |
| Jahromeo | :P | 13:44 |
| Jahromeo | man i need to source an alternative crt now | 13:44 |
| Jahromeo | i have 3 pcs and 2 screens | 13:44 |
| ere4si | that'll make it hard :) | 13:46 |
| Jahromeo | what can i use for tv if i dont need pvr | 13:47 |
| Jahromeo | that seems to require resources | 13:47 |
| ere4si | I don't know - maybe google will? | 13:47 |
| Jahrome | looking for a low low low spec proggie to watch tv with - have a 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram i wish to use | 14:16 |
| Jahrome | mythtv/mythbuntu require too much power - any ideaS? | 14:17 |
| Jahrome | can anyone check for me if xdtv or tvtime are in the repos? | 14:29 |
| Jahrome | please | 14:29 |
| ere4si | !info xdtv | 14:32 |
| ere4si | ahhh the bot is dead | 14:32 |
| TheSheep | Jahrome: you can search at packages.ubuntu.com. I found tvtime but no xdtv | 14:38 |
| Jahrome | thanks sheep | 14:40 |
| Jahrome | gonna use that then | 14:40 |
| === hyakuhei is now known as hyk[SoCing] | ||
| FFEMTcJ | does anyone know when in april 8.04 will be released? my new computer will be here next week, and i want to get linux on there as soon as possible | 15:37 |
| pleia2 | late april | 15:41 |
| TheSheep | !schedule | 15:42 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 15:42 |
| TheSheep | !hardy | 15:42 |
| ubotu | Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu | 15:42 |
| TheSheep | there is a schedule on that page | 15:42 |
| TheSheep | it says April 24th | 15:43 |
| === chtp is now known as ctp | ||
| === hyakuhei is now known as hyakuhei[SoC] | ||
| FFEMTcJ | TheSheep: ty | 15:50 |
| aanderse | did anyone who is running hardy beta just upgrade their liferea package? | 16:53 |
| ere4si | which is the file for the autostarted apps please - the button in the settings manager doesn't work | 17:00 |
| === jon| is now known as Dissentor | ||
| charlie-tca | ere4si, which apps? | 17:00 |
| ere4si | charlie-tca: I want to get an app started after login - the settings manager - autostarted apps button doesn't do anything - want to manually add to the file it uses | 17:02 |
| ere4si | conky is one app I want to add | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | ere4si: I might be over my head. I normally add a few lines to /home/$USER/.bashrc if it | 17:04 |
| ere4si | charlie-tca: thnx - that's not the solution :) | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | ere4si: is for just one user. | 17:05 |
| ere4si | yep | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | sorry | 17:05 |
| ere4si | np :) | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | What about /etc/xdg/ | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | it is system wide, works better than /etc/rc.local for me | 17:08 |
| sinbox | so, does Xubuntu run faster than ubuntu ? | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | Sinbox: seems to depend on hardware | 17:10 |
| sinbox | so I'd have to test it for myself on my hardware then I guess | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | I run some rather old stuff, PII 400MHZ and 266MHZ and it is definitely faster | 17:12 |
| sinbox | is there some apps available so I could do some tests and get some result logs to pour over? | 17:12 |
| sinbox | well I've got an early (slot 1) P3 to install at the moment, and it will only run a couple of applications | 17:13 |
| charlie-tca | I don´t have that information | 17:13 |
| === cody-somerville changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Xubuntu 7.10 Released: http://xubuntu.org/get | Xubuntu 8.04 Beta Released, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/BetaAnnouncement/Xubuntu | ||
| cody-somerville | Xubuntu 8.04 Beta alternative cds are currently being published and should be available soon. Big thanks to j1mc, zoredache, Solar George, and danielm for helping test them. | 17:16 |
| sinbox | charlie-tca, do you use 7.10 or 6.06 on your p2s? | 17:22 |
| charlie-tca | 7.10 on on, 6.06 on the other | 17:23 |
| sinbox | thanks, I've got a PII 266 here, I guess I'll go with 6.06 for that one | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | It´s probably a little easier to work with on it. good luck | 17:25 |
| athought | hello there, I want to debootstrap-install xubuntu but the biggest problem at all is finding a mirror :D With searching all the *ubuntu.org/com pages I only find cd-image mirrors, no "package mirrors". Am I blind or do they hide? ;-) Can I give the debootstrap packages.ubuntu.com as installation source? | 17:50 |
| zoredache | athought: the official is at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 17:55 |
| zoredache | but it is very slow lately... | 17:55 |
| zoredache | or it is at least to me... | 17:55 |
| athought | is installing/updating after the installation also slow? I never used ubuntu before | 17:56 |
| === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg | ||
| zoredache | I believe the archive.ubuntu.com name maps to multiple servers... so if you get a fast connection to one, it will be fast... My luck lately seems to indicate that I get at best 30-60kb/s when downloading from there | 17:57 |
| athought | ok thanks, hoping for more luck ;-) | 17:59 |
| zoredache | anyway your command would look something like sudo debootstrap feisty us.archive.ubuntu.com | 18:00 |
| athought | I'm using | 18:10 |
| athought | debootstrap --arch=i386 --variant=buildd gutsy /mnt/desktop http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu | 18:10 |
| athought | the installation speed is..fast ;-) *wait for an end* | 18:10 |
| zoredache | ah, good :) | 18:16 |
| athought | ok looks very fine with one exception | 18:18 |
| athought | debconf: (No usable dialog-like program is installed, so the dialog based frontend cannot be used. | 18:18 |
| athought | I want to reconfigure the locales so that apt-get is not crying the whole time | 18:18 |
| athought | but reconfigure aborts :-( | 18:19 |
| athought | (btw gnupg wasn't installed by default and apt-get failed to verify the packages, is it because of the beta status of gutsy or normal on ubuntu?) | 18:19 |
| zoredache | gutsy isn't beta... hardy is the beta release. apt-get failing to verify may mean you haven't install they keyring yet | 18:20 |
| athought | Could not execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) | 18:21 |
| athought | and it weren't installed | 18:21 |
| athought | so gutsy is the 7.10 and hardy the 8.x release? | 18:22 |
| zoredache | yes | 18:22 |
| athought | damn, took the wrong one *install again* | 18:22 |
| athought | ;-) | 18:22 |
| zoredache | why the buildd btw? | 18:22 |
| zoredache | you might want not use that... or use fakechroot | 18:23 |
| athought | I think it's default anyway | 18:23 |
| zoredache | I think you get a different selection of packages... | 18:24 |
| athought | How I understand the manual, fakeroot installs without root permissions, so not usable as standalone system? | 18:24 |
| athought | Am I wrong? | 18:24 |
| athought | I'm using buildd for minimal debian systems, so I tried that intuitive ;-) | 18:25 |
| zoredache | acutally you are right... I am reading that now. From the way I read it the buildd option doesn't give you a full system, just what you need to compile packages | 18:25 |
| zoredache | so I wouldn't expect to see things like debconf, gpg, etc. | 18:26 |
| athought | yeah gpg is missing on ubuntu.. but he installs it without verification.. | 18:26 |
| zoredache | I would leave the --varient off entirely,... | 18:26 |
| zoredache | is your goal just to install a minimal system? | 18:27 |
| athought | no | 18:27 |
| athought | a full desktop system | 18:27 |
| athought | xubuntu | 18:27 |
| zoredache | but why are you using deboostrap, may I ask? | 18:28 |
| athought | because it's a xen instance on a server far away ;-) | 18:28 |
| zoredache | ah, and you can't get zen to boot from a .iso? | 18:29 |
| athought | I could but I don't want | 18:29 |
| athought | debootstrap is a nice tool to setup the most I need | 18:29 |
| zoredache | anyway, if you goal is a full system then I would skip --varient and let it go with the defaults | 18:30 |
| athought | I don't need the whole hotplug/plugin detection thing. I need a clean system with a clean xfce | 18:30 |
| athought | yeah I reinstall hardy now without the varient | 18:30 |
| athought | ok now gnupg is installed by default, possibly because of hardy but I think your variant tip helped ;-) | 18:37 |
| athought | ok no xubuntu-desktop on hardy :-( | 18:39 |
| zoredache | are you sure? you made sure you have a good /etc/apt/sources/list and have done an apt-get update in the deboostrap enviroment? | 18:40 |
| athought | root@domina:/# cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:40 |
| athought | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main | 18:40 |
| zoredache | try adding universe and restricted as well | 18:40 |
| athought | debootstrap --arch=i386 hardy /mnt/desktop http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu | 18:40 |
| athought | what? :D | 18:41 |
| zoredache | sdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main universe restricted | 18:41 |
| athought | sdeb = source-deb? | 18:41 |
| zoredache | no.. it is a typbo | 18:41 |
| zoredache | bleh... I am full of them today it seems | 18:41 |
| zoredache | !info xubuntu-desktop | 18:41 |
| athought | is their a security mirror I can track in my source list like the debian security mirrors? | 18:42 |
| athought | oh yeah, there is xubuntu, many thanks | 18:43 |
| zoredache | my sources.list wich includes security and source packages is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61234/ | 18:47 |
| zoredache | slight correction http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61235/ | 18:48 |
| athought | thx a lot :) | 18:50 |
| athought | ok language-env is not installed by default, so no locales but the rest seems to be best :D | 18:54 |
| athought | damn it doesn't help | 18:55 |
| athought | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory | 18:55 |
| zoredache | you have to do something else... gimme a sec I'll check my notes | 18:55 |
| athought | dpkg-reconfigure locales aborts | 18:55 |
| athought | # dpkg-reconfigure locales | 18:56 |
| athought | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. | 18:56 |
| Iskr | hello | 18:58 |
| zoredache | so the dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't work for you? | 18:58 |
| athought | yes but I have the solution | 18:58 |
| zoredache | ah, ok | 18:58 |
| athought | generating the locales once manually | 18:58 |
| athought | afterwards dpkg-reconfigure lcoales works ;-) | 18:59 |
| zoredache | I never had to do that when I was deboostrap to build debian systems... but I guess this is juat a new 'feature' | 18:59 |
| zoredache | !hi | Iskr | 19:00 |
| ubotu | Iskr: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | 19:00 |
| Iskr | i have a question about xubuntu requirements: how is that "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM" but "Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM" | 19:00 |
| athought | bash: man: command not found | 19:00 |
| athought | thats bad.. | 19:00 |
| zoredache | Iskr: I think you n eed 192 or even more to run the livecd | 19:01 |
| zoredache | where did you find the reference that said 128? | 19:01 |
| Iskr | i have a pIII 900 mhz with 128 mb of ram, and i'm wondering if it is worth dowloading and burning the alternate install iso... | 19:01 |
| zoredache | !lowmem | Iskr | 19:01 |
| ubotu | Iskr: For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements. | 19:01 |
| Iskr | zoredache, http://www.xubuntu.org/get#gutsy | 19:01 |
| Iskr | (i was checking fluxbuntu but i like xfce much more than fluxbox) | 19:02 |
| Iskr | zoredache, and ubotu thanks for the links =) | 19:03 |
| Iskr | (nice the pipe syntax for the bot) | 19:03 |
| zoredache | anyway check out those pages... you can definatly make things work on 128, but it takes some tweaking... and trimming of features you don't need | 19:03 |
| zoredache | of course you have to decide yourself what you need... with the price of ram lately it is almost easier to just spend a few $ | 19:04 |
| Iskr | yes but it's on a laptop | 19:05 |
| Iskr | a old laptop | 19:05 |
| Iskr | of a friend of mine | 19:05 |
| Iskr | (i'm not very able with hardware) | 19:06 |
| Iskr | (neither with software but at least i don't do undoable mess lol) | 19:06 |
| Iskr | anyway zoredache i see that the clues on the site is to make an essential install and then choose one of the wmaker listed | 19:08 |
| Iskr | xfce is not exactly one of the most indicated by what is written there | 19:08 |
| Iskr | so maybe i'd better get acquainted with fluxboc | 19:08 |
| Iskr | fluxbox | 19:08 |
| Iskr | =P | 19:08 |
| Iskr | (and just install fluxbuntu) | 19:09 |
| Iskr | another question: have you ever noticed that Thunar hangs sometimes when dealing with fat32 partitions? | 19:10 |
| zoredache | not me, no... I don't have any fat32 filesystems on any of my devices anymore | 19:11 |
| Iskr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#head-1e8a8a2a2221583a5ce5a57a242f72b623469815 | 19:56 |
| Iskr | and here i read 64 mb | 19:57 |
| Iskr | as minimum requirements | 19:57 |
| Iskr | i am a bit confused | 19:58 |
| Iskr | has anyone installed xubuntu an a 128 mb ram box? =) | 19:59 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: yes | 20:00 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: but you have to use the alternate cd | 20:00 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: livecd won't run | 20:00 |
| Iskr | no problem | 20:02 |
| Iskr | but does it run well after the installation? | 20:02 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: as long as you only run one application at a time | 20:06 |
| Iskr | uhm... | 20:06 |
| Iskr | ok i'll use fluxbox | 20:07 |
| Iskr | thank you a lot | 20:07 |
| Iskr | =) | 20:07 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: there is only so much you can save on using lightweight window manager | 20:07 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: most applications need a lot of ram by themselves | 20:08 |
| Iskr | it's true | 20:08 |
| Iskr | so do you think that with fluxbox it wouldn't be so much better? | 20:08 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: I really can't say | 20:09 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: there is only one way to optimize: test | 20:10 |
| Iskr | of course | 20:10 |
| Iskr | this is the reason for which i asked | 20:10 |
| Iskr | ahahah | 20:10 |
| Iskr | i'm lazy | 20:10 |
| Iskr | =D | 20:10 |
| TheSheep | well, you can check the forumes | 20:11 |
| TheSheep | forums | 20:11 |
| Iskr | yes | 20:11 |
| Iskr | but i must say | 20:11 |
| Iskr | a first try with google | 20:11 |
| Iskr | didn't tell me too much | 20:11 |
| Iskr | so i came to irc \o/ | 20:11 |
| TheSheep | Iskr: I think flubuntu has a channel too | 20:12 |
| Iskr | i'm there =D | 20:12 |
| Iskr | (i entered there before than here to tell the truth loool) | 20:12 |
| TheSheep | then I have no good advices for you | 20:13 |
| TheSheep | you're already smarter | 20:13 |
| Iskr | no i am not | 20:13 |
| Iskr | and i appreciate very much your hints =) | 20:13 |
| zoredache | does anyone know if there is a way to get a selection automagically copied to the clipboard? As in, I want to make select some text in putty, and then paste it into form in firefox. | 20:50 |
| zoredache | I have the clipman plugin, on, I see where I can do it as a three step process (make selection, choose the selection in clipman, paste at destination). I want it to be a two-step operation... select, then paste | 20:51 |
| Iskr | yes i understood but i can't suggest you anything | 20:53 |
| slimjimflim | does anybody know the default path for include files for gcc in xubuntu or in general | 21:33 |
| zoredache | /usr/include? | 21:34 |
| slimjimflim | k | 21:35 |
| slimjimflim | ty | 21:35 |
| zoredache | your welcome | 21:35 |
| slimjimflim | someone else said there's more than one dir | 21:39 |
| slimjimflim | any chance i'd have to put the headers in both? | 21:39 |
| zoredache | there are lots of folders with headers... | 21:39 |
| slimjimflim | right | 21:39 |
| TheSheep | slimjimflim: one is enough, it searches in all of them | 21:39 |
| zoredache | what are you putting there? | 21:39 |
| slimjimflim | so this one should work | 21:39 |
| slimjimflim | ok | 21:40 |
| slimjimflim | cpp header files | 21:40 |
| zoredache | you really shouldn't need to put anything there | 21:40 |
| slimjimflim | maybe i should show you my error | 21:40 |
| TheSheep | slimjimflim: you can also use the -I option for gcc to add more directories | 21:40 |
| slimjimflim | for example | 21:41 |
| slimjimflim | undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()' | 21:41 |
| slimjimflim | there's about 100 lines of similar errors | 21:41 |
| zoredache | is this a program you are developing yourself, or something you are just trying to compile? | 21:45 |
| zoredache | did you already install the build-essentials package? | 21:46 |
| slimjimflim | hangon, synamptic isn't playing nice | 21:51 |
| slimjimflim | brb | 21:51 |
| shinynew | where are the start up scripts stored? | 22:16 |
| shinynew | every time i start up it just starts up xfce, which i don't want | 22:16 |
| zoredache | when you startup it starts xfce, or it starts gdm? | 22:19 |
| zoredache | anyway the starts scripts are in /etc/init.d, and the scripts for various run levels are in /etc/rcN.d | 22:20 |
| zoredache | where n is the run level and 2 is the default runlevel... | 22:20 |
| zoredache | of course if you are using the gui you can also use system/services to adjust things | 22:21 |
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| sudobash | dont want to lift the ban | 22:50 |
| zoredache | pardon? | 22:52 |
| sudobash | nvm | 22:53 |
| Jonny0stars | Hello | 22:58 |
| zoredache | !hi | Jonny0stars | 22:58 |
| ubotu | Jonny0stars: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | 22:58 |
| Jonny0stars | just a quicky, what pacakge do i need for spellchecking in xchat | 22:59 |
| Jonny0stars | i thought it was just aspell or possibly gnome-spell | 23:01 |
| * Jonny0stars is used to gentoo useflags | 23:02 | |
| zoredache | I suspect you might need to ask an xchat person... I really like using irssi... Have to checked to see if there is a #xchat, or asked in #ubuntu? | 23:03 |
| danielm | Jonny0stars, aspell | 23:03 |
| danielm | Jonny0stars, and the dictionaries that you want | 23:05 |
| Jonny0stars | danielm: hmm i tried apt-geting aspell its all installed | 23:05 |
| Jonny0stars | ahhh | 23:05 |
| danielm | like aspell-en | 23:05 |
| * Jonny0stars slaps head | 23:05 | |
| Jonny0stars | cheers danielm | 23:05 |
| danielm | and restart xchat | 23:06 |
| danielm | np ;) | 23:06 |
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| Jonny0stars | well here go's | 23:10 |
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