[00:00] <ron_o> Bisclaveret, you could try $pkill <name of application>
[00:01] <Bisclaveret> $pkill file-roller started the archive manage
[00:01] <Bisclaveret> r
[00:01] <Bisclaveret> the actual PROGRAM is not running
[00:01] <Bisclaveret> it's leaving behind dead processes
[00:02] <Bisclaveret> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[00:02] <Bisclaveret>  6185 bisclave  17   0     0    0    0 Z  0.0  0.0   0:01.43 file-roll <defunct>
[00:02] <Bisclaveret>  6297 bisclave  16   0     0    0    0 Z  0.0  0.0   0:01.56 file-roll <defunct>
[00:02] <zoredache> ron_o: what is magnatune?  Are you talking about the independant record label?
[00:03] <ron_o> zoredache, nevermind.. I was wondering.. It's with Amorak.. :)
[00:03] <ron_o> amarok*
[00:04] <Bisclaveret> and the only things when i google i get are reasons why (something's not sending the right signal in a system call) and posts from usenet from 93-97 describing how to code system calls
[00:04] <Bisclaveret> and system V
[00:05] <zoredache> Bisclaveret: try an sudo kill -9 pid?
[00:06] <Bisclaveret> example http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-13.html is a little bit more technical then i can understand ;o
[00:08] <Bisclaveret> zoredache: still there
[00:10] <Bisclaveret> is this just linux's answer to windows leaving rundll32.exe's around? ;)
[00:14] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
[00:15] <Bisclaveret> TheSheep: i've read that
[00:17] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: read the last paragraph
[00:20] <Bisclaveret> ah
[00:20] <Bisclaveret> i was walked through it in another channel, i found the parent
[00:20] <Bisclaveret> xfdesktop
[00:25] <TheSheep> Bisclaveret: anyways, although it is an indication of a bug, it has no negative effects, so you can just ignore it
[02:15] <narothepharoh> how do i get a camera to read in xubuntu 7.10?
[02:16] <narothepharoh> hello
[02:33] <narothepharoh> hello
[02:37] <zoredache> !repeat
[02:37] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:37] <zoredache> anyway, what kind of camera are you talking about?  a webcam or what?
[02:38] <zoredache> also consider asking in #ubuntu, there is usually a lot more people there
[02:42] <narothepharoh> zoredache: it is a digital camera and when i plug it in it does nothing
[02:46] <zoredache> hrm...  honestly I don't even try and waste my time trying to get digital cameras working... I just use a memory card reader
[02:49] <zoredache> have you tried search google for your camera model on linux?
[02:53] <narothepharoh> zoredache: i have no program to read it do you know of one?
[02:54] <zoredache> to read what?
[02:55] <narothepharoh> the camera
[02:56] <narothepharoh> i know in ubuntu it automatically opens something but it doesnt do that in xubuntu
[03:59] <j1mc> hi maxamillion
[04:04] <maxamillion> jiya j1mc
[04:05] <maxamillion> errr ... hiya*
[04:05] <maxamillion> j1mc: how goes it?
[04:05] <j1mc> hey
[04:05] <j1mc> i'm ok
[04:06] <j1mc> you?
[04:06] <maxamillion> j1mc: can't complain, just got done with some homework ... thinking about reading my minix3 book but i'm feeling lazy
[04:07] <j1mc> yeah...
[04:07] <j1mc> sounds all right
[04:09] <maxamillion> i want to know how to write operating systems by august ... so as long as i finish the book and understand it all by august i will feel accomplished
[04:11] <j1mc> that would be awesome
[04:11] <maxamillion> yup
[04:11] <maxamillion> and then from there i will be reading about the internal ins and outs of the linux kernel
[04:11] <maxamillion> one step at a time
[04:12] <maxamillion> i also want to find a book on the python interpreter ... i'd really like to know how it *really* works
[04:17] <j1mc> :)
[04:26] <zoredache> why wouldn't you simply look at the source for the interpereter?
[04:45] <c-ron> i just upgraded to hardy from feisty, and my deskop no longer shows me removable devices in xubuntu
[04:46] <c-ron> haha
[04:46] <c-ron> nm i don't have my drives in fstab
[04:48] <tim__> How do i add shortcut to TERMINAL in xfce panel ?
[07:58] <boogieman> hello all, i'm trying to get my microphone working on xubuntu 7.10
[07:58] <cody-somerville> ok
[07:58] <boogieman> i simply don't know what's wrong with this.. my speakers just work fine
[07:58] <boogieman> but not the microphone
[07:59] <boogieman> the machine is a compaq 6710b laptop
[07:59] <boogieman> the symptoms are very similar to : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176057
[07:59] <boogieman> can some one pls. help me
[08:00] <cody-somerville> Have you tried turning up the mic volume in the mixer?
[08:00] <cody-somerville> or un-muting it
[08:05] <boogieman> mic checked
[08:09] <boogieman> i'm in 'Volume Control' and 'mic boost' and 'internal mic boost' are all set to the highest level
[08:09] <boogieman> and the mic option is checked
[08:12] <boogieman> how to check the installed alsa version
[08:12] <boogieman> ?
[08:16] <boogieman> i have to go guys; i'll come back later; thanks
[08:49] <littlexubuntu> hello all could someone save me 20 minutes of reading please
[08:49] <littlexubuntu> i need to know what the equilivant of gedit is in xubuntu
[08:55] <cody-somerville> mousepad
[08:58] <littlexubuntu> cool
[08:58] <littlexubuntu> whats the terminal command to get to it
[08:58] <littlexubuntu> i am used to sudo gedit sources.list
[08:59] <littlexubuntu> im a ubuntu user
[09:02] <ere4si> sudo mousepad
[09:25] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:26] <Ben_Cs> is the hardy xubuntu going to have fusesmb (windows network) support preinstalled?
[09:29] <Ben_Cs> no one awake?
[09:35] <feanor> hi, I got the gdm login manager, but i dont know how to change the login theme ? where i have to copy the login file ?
[09:36] <cody-somerville> feanor, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy#head-c3d48423db698f94e344d46f186a5eb419d04fdf
[09:36] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, no
[10:20] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: why no?
[10:21] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, It simply isn't done :)
[10:21] <Ben_Cs> i see
[10:21] <cody-somerville> Sounds like a good goal for 8.10 Intrepid though
[10:22]  * cody-somerville goes to finish getting ready for work.
[10:22] <Ben_Cs> that's 1 reason why i use linux mint xfce edit. i got fed up with configuring the network each time i have to reinstall the system. it's quite alot to edit
[10:43] <rrob> hi, do you know how to easy enable vncserver? like in ubuntu in gnome >settings>remote desktop>enable vnc acces - type password
[10:46] <ablomen> rrob, my guess is just install a vnc server (vncserver, tightvncserver or whatever)
[10:48] <rrob> he is installed
[10:48] <rrob> isnt?
[10:48] <rrob> how is it in ubuntu
[10:48] <ere4si> rrob: you have to install the server
[10:50] <rrob> .( i know how to do it, install, configure etc etc ... but in ubuntu it was realy easy ... two clicks ...
[10:50] <rrob> it is not for me .. its for enduser
[11:03] <ere4si> !vnc
[11:03] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:09] <rrob> ok ... and im unable to connect via ssh ... i have 8.04beta .. is ssh disbled by default ? or ...  is there enabled new firewall?
[11:17] <ere4si> rrob: what are you trying to connect to?
[11:17] <rrob> xubuntu 8.04 desktop ... intel pc
[11:17] <rrob> but
[11:17] <rrob> 8.04
[11:17] <rrob> is lot of problems
[11:18] <rrob> im goint to erase it
[11:18] <rrob> and install 7.10
[11:18] <ere4si> rrob: it is still beta atm - and you need the server on the box you are connecting to
[11:18] <ere4si> *vncserver
[11:19] <rrob> yes ... reinstaling
[11:19] <ere4si> k good luck :)
[11:19] <rrob> download ... instal (erase disk) ... update
[11:20] <rrob> 1hour
[11:54] <simplyubuntu> hey all
[11:55] <simplyubuntu> can anyone help me configure a modem in xubuntu... finding it difficult
[12:15] <rrob> simplyubuntu hi ... what kind of modem
[12:16] <rrob> name?
[12:18] <rrob> eeedarius_v do you have xubuntu on eee ?¨
[12:27] <eeedarius_v> tried it but i didnt decide yet to take debian with xfce or ubuntu
[12:27] <eeedarius_v> xubuntu
[12:27] <rrob> and what sys do you have now there?
[12:28] <eeedarius_v> now im at debian with xfce
[12:28] <rrob> yes
[12:29] <rrob> do you know eeeXubuntu http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
[12:29] <eeedarius_v> yeah
[12:29] <rrob> and EeeOS http://eeeos.interactivelaboratories.com/
[12:29] <eeedarius_v> this is that what i meant with xubuntu xD
[12:29] <rrob> .)
[12:30] <eeedarius_v> i dont expect much from eeeos
[12:31] <rrob> its small
[12:31] <rrob> ... yeah, its not important.
[12:31] <rrob> im waiting for 10" version
[12:31] <rrob> with larger ssd
[12:31] <rrob> i have 16gb mtron in my pc ... i want it in eee .)
[12:32] <eeedarius_v> xD.
[12:32] <eeedarius_v> but the 7inch is the advantage of the eee xD
[12:32] <eeedarius_v> and its enough
[12:33] <eeedarius_v> now im lying in my bed xD
[12:34] <rrob> ... lcd is small .(
[12:34] <rrob> i feel pain in my back from day when i buy
[12:34] <rrob> it
[12:34] <eeedarius_v> lol
[12:34] <eeedarius_v> that low price thing xD
[12:34] <rrob> im always bent with it
[12:35] <rrob> yes ... but this is solution http://www.eeeuser.com/2008/03/04/next-generation-asus-eee-pc-900/
[12:39] <rrob> eeedarius_v do you have some hardware mod in your eee ?
[12:39] <eeedarius_v> 2gb  ram
[12:39] <rrob> .)
[12:40] <rrob> i think gps, bluetooth, touchscreen and so .)
[12:40] <eeedarius_v> the eee is good because in it is so much place
[12:40] <eeedarius_v> you can put in what you want
[12:40] <rrob> cpu 1,2GHz
[12:41] <eeedarius_v> grrr cpu
[12:41] <rrob> http://robin.lab.cz/asuseee.html#mod
[12:41] <eeedarius_v> but imo i dont want an eee with a bigger screen
[12:41] <eeedarius_v> i bought the eee because its small and handy
[12:42] <rrob> yes ... but with bigger screen will it have same dimensions and weight
[12:44] <eeedarius_v> yeah but it takes me my place and i think the ssd will be much more unstable like the one in the 701
[12:45] <rrob> ??
[12:45] <rrob> ok
[12:45] <eeedarius_v> mom pls
[12:47] <eeedarius_v> you have to look after the eees ssd
[12:47] <eeedarius_v> swap and journaling is like poison for example
[12:48] <eeedarius_v> and i expect a lesser sound quality from the 900
[12:50] <eeedarius_v> excuse my terrible english xD
[12:50] <rrob> where are you from
[12:50] <rrob> dont worry about writing to ssd
[12:51] <eeedarius_v> rrob, my ssd dont even works with ext3
[12:52] <rrob> ?
[12:52] <rrob> i havent tryed it
[12:52] <rrob> but on my other ssd
[12:52] <rrob> i havent problem wtih any filesystem
[12:52] <rrob> what is your language
[12:53] <eeedarius_v> german (or if you can persian xD)
[12:53] <rrob> im czech
[12:53] <rrob> ich habe half jahre auf deutsche schif gearbaited ... but its looooong time ago .)
[12:53] <eeedarius_v> thats the difference from label to label
[12:54] <eeedarius_v> xD
[12:54] <rrob> http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html
[12:55] <rrob> [13:47] eeedarius_v: swap and journaling is like poison for example >> why? speed? bad clusters?
[12:55] <eeedarius_v> ssd lifetime
[12:56] <eeedarius_v> even samsung just promises about 100.000 working hours
[12:56] <TheSheep> every bit of ssd can bechanged only limited number of times
[12:56] <rrob> read that link ... about lifetime
[12:56] <rrob> yes but he have inteligent writing
[12:56] <rrob> read it
[13:02] <eeedarius_v> you must see its just 4 and 12gb
[13:03] <rrob> like ma voyager flash disk
[13:03] <eeedarius_v> and its not the best quality
[13:05] <eeedarius_v> and now to get all things working with an other os is very troublesome   with the 900 (and i expect a lower base there)  it will get very complicated imo
[13:06] <rrob> lower base?
[13:06] <eeedarius_v> and 7inch touchpads are cheaper xD
[13:06] <rrob> it is same as p700
[13:06] <eeedarius_v> it will have specific probs
[13:06] <rrob> you can build in 10" in your 7" p700 right now
[13:06] <rrob> but ok
[13:08] <eeedarius_v> and when the screen is bigger then you can see if the eee is on when its "zugeklappt"
[13:08] <eeedarius_v> xD
[13:08] <eeedarius_v> gonna take a shower afk
[13:16] <eeedarius_v> re
[13:36] <Jahromeo> guys does xubuntu use same repos as ubuntu?
[13:36] <cody-somerville> Jahromeo, yes
[13:39] <Jahromeo> xubuntu is the low spec end rightr?
[13:39] <Jahromeo> it will run fine on 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram right?
[13:39] <Jahromeo> i want to make that old box in to a tv
[13:39] <Jahromeo> no capturing just a plain tv
[13:39] <Jahromeo> any ideas?
[13:40] <ere4si> it might have issues with digital tv
[13:41] <Jahromeo> its anologue - well its normal coaxial aerial
[13:41] <Jahromeo> what would a good tv proggie be
[13:41] <Jahromeo> and where can i view support for tv card
[13:41] <ere4si> there's mythbuntu - uses mythtv
[13:41] <ere4si> !tv
[13:41] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[13:42] <Jahromeo> so that would be in xubuntu repos?
[13:42] <ere4si> yep
[13:42] <Jahromeo> xubuntu would run fine on a 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram?
[13:42] <Jahromeo> hdd size is not important i have ides lying around
[13:42] <ere4si> it'll run ok
[13:42] <Jahromeo> eeek ok
[13:42] <Jahromeo> ok enough to watch tv or ok like microsoft thinks vista runs ok on 512mb ram :P
[13:43] <Jahromeo> caus the second ok scares me
[13:43] <ere4si> but the tv part I am not sure about - might be a little light that system
[13:43] <Jahromeo> pfffft
[13:43] <Jahromeo> works fine in win 98 :P
[13:43] <ere4si> hehe
[13:43] <ere4si> like I said - i am not sure :)
[13:44] <Jahromeo> pffft
[13:44] <Jahromeo> :P
[13:44] <Jahromeo> man i need to source an alternative crt now
[13:44] <Jahromeo> i have 3 pcs and 2 screens
[13:46] <ere4si> that'll make it hard :)
[13:47] <Jahromeo> what can i use for tv if i dont need pvr
[13:47] <Jahromeo> that seems to require resources
[13:47] <ere4si> I don't know - maybe google will?
[14:16] <Jahrome> looking for a low low low spec proggie to watch tv with - have a 550 mhz box with 256 mb ram i wish to use
[14:17] <Jahrome> mythtv/mythbuntu require too much power - any ideaS?
[14:29] <Jahrome> can anyone check for me if xdtv or tvtime are in the repos?
[14:29] <Jahrome> please
[14:32] <ere4si> !info xdtv
[14:32] <ere4si> ahhh the bot is dead
[14:38] <TheSheep> Jahrome: you can search at packages.ubuntu.com. I found tvtime but no xdtv
[14:40] <Jahrome> thanks sheep
[14:40] <Jahrome> gonna use that then
[15:37] <FFEMTcJ> does anyone know when in april 8.04 will be released? my new computer will be here next week, and i want to get linux on there as soon as possible
[15:41] <pleia2> late april
[15:42] <TheSheep> !schedule
[15:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[15:42] <TheSheep> !hardy
[15:42] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:42] <TheSheep> there is a schedule on that page
[15:43] <TheSheep> it says  April 24th
[15:50] <FFEMTcJ> TheSheep: ty
[16:53] <aanderse> did anyone who is running hardy beta just upgrade their liferea package?
[17:00] <ere4si> which is the file for the autostarted apps please - the button in the settings manager doesn't work
[17:00] <charlie-tca> ere4si, which apps?
[17:02] <ere4si> charlie-tca: I want to get an app started after login - the settings manager - autostarted apps button doesn't do anything - want to manually add to the file it uses
[17:04] <ere4si> conky is one app I want to add
[17:04] <charlie-tca> ere4si: I might be over my head. I normally add a few lines to /home/$USER/.bashrc if it
[17:05] <ere4si> charlie-tca: thnx - that's not the solution :)
[17:05] <charlie-tca> ere4si: is for just one user.
[17:05] <ere4si> yep
[17:05] <charlie-tca> sorry
[17:05] <ere4si> np :)
[17:06] <charlie-tca> What about /etc/xdg/
[17:08] <charlie-tca> it is system wide, works better than /etc/rc.local for me
[17:10] <sinbox> so, does Xubuntu run faster than ubuntu ?
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Sinbox: seems to depend on hardware
[17:11] <sinbox> so I'd have to test it for myself on my hardware then I guess
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I run some rather old stuff, PII 400MHZ and 266MHZ and it is definitely faster
[17:12] <sinbox> is there some apps available so I could do some tests and get some result logs to pour over?
[17:13] <sinbox> well I've got an early (slot 1) P3 to install  at the moment, and it will only run a couple of applications
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I don´t have that information
[17:16] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu 8.04 Beta alternative cds are currently being published and should be available soon. Big thanks to j1mc, zoredache, Solar George, and danielm for helping test them.
[17:22] <sinbox> charlie-tca, do you use 7.10 or 6.06 on your p2s?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> 7.10 on on, 6.06 on the other
[17:24] <sinbox> thanks, I've got a PII 266 here, I guess I'll go with 6.06 for that one
[17:25] <charlie-tca> It´s probably a little easier to work with on it. good luck
[17:50] <athought> hello there, I want to debootstrap-install xubuntu but the biggest problem at all is finding a mirror :D With searching all the *ubuntu.org/com pages I only find cd-image mirrors, no "package mirrors". Am I blind or do they hide? ;-) Can I give the debootstrap packages.ubuntu.com as installation source?
[17:55] <zoredache> athought: the official is at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:55] <zoredache> but it is very slow lately...
[17:55] <zoredache> or it is at least to me...
[17:56] <athought> is installing/updating after the installation also slow? I never used ubuntu before
[17:57] <zoredache> I believe the archive.ubuntu.com name maps to multiple servers... so if you get a fast connection to one, it will be fast...  My luck lately seems to indicate that I get at best 30-60kb/s when downloading from there
[17:59] <athought> ok thanks, hoping for more luck ;-)
[18:00] <zoredache> anyway your command would look something like sudo debootstrap feisty us.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <athought> I'm using
[18:10] <athought> debootstrap --arch=i386 --variant=buildd gutsy /mnt/desktop http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[18:10] <athought> the installation speed is..fast ;-) *wait for an end*
[18:16] <zoredache> ah, good :)
[18:18] <athought> ok looks very fine with one exception
[18:18] <athought> debconf: (No usable dialog-like program is installed, so the dialog based frontend cannot be used.
[18:18] <athought> I want to reconfigure the locales so that apt-get is not crying the whole time
[18:19] <athought> but reconfigure aborts :-(
[18:19] <athought> (btw gnupg wasn't installed by default and apt-get failed to verify the packages, is it because of the beta status of gutsy or normal on ubuntu?)
[18:20] <zoredache> gutsy isn't beta... hardy is the beta release.  apt-get failing to verify may mean you haven't install they keyring yet
[18:21] <athought> Could not execute '/usr/bin/gpgv' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?)
[18:21] <athought> and it weren't installed
[18:22] <athought> so gutsy is the 7.10 and hardy the 8.x release?
[18:22] <zoredache> yes
[18:22] <athought> damn, took the wrong one *install again*
[18:22] <athought> ;-)
[18:22] <zoredache> why the buildd btw?
[18:23] <zoredache> you might want not use that... or use fakechroot
[18:23] <athought> I think it's default anyway
[18:24] <zoredache> I think you get a different selection of packages...
[18:24] <athought> How I understand the manual, fakeroot installs without root permissions, so not usable as standalone system?
[18:24] <athought> Am I wrong?
[18:25] <athought> I'm using buildd for minimal debian systems, so I tried that intuitive ;-)
[18:25] <zoredache> acutally you are right...  I am reading that now.  From the way I read it the buildd option doesn't give you a full system, just what you need to compile packages
[18:26] <zoredache> so I wouldn't expect to see things like debconf, gpg, etc.
[18:26] <athought> yeah gpg is missing on ubuntu.. but he installs it without verification..
[18:26] <zoredache> I would leave the --varient off entirely,...
[18:27] <zoredache> is your goal just to install a minimal system?
[18:27] <athought> no
[18:27] <athought> a full desktop system
[18:27] <athought> xubuntu
[18:28] <zoredache> but why are you using deboostrap, may I ask?
[18:28] <athought> because it's a xen instance on a server far away ;-)
[18:29] <zoredache> ah, and you can't get zen to boot from a .iso?
[18:29] <athought> I could but I don't want
[18:29] <athought> debootstrap is a nice tool to setup the most I need
[18:30] <zoredache> anyway, if you goal is a full system then I would skip --varient and let it go with the defaults
[18:30] <athought> I don't need the whole hotplug/plugin detection thing. I need a clean system with a clean xfce
[18:30] <athought> yeah I reinstall hardy now without the varient
[18:37] <athought> ok now gnupg is installed by default, possibly because of hardy but I think your variant tip helped ;-)
[18:39] <athought> ok no xubuntu-desktop on hardy :-(
[18:40] <zoredache> are you sure?  you made sure you have a good /etc/apt/sources/list and have done an apt-get update in the deboostrap enviroment?
[18:40] <athought> root@domina:/# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <athought> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main
[18:40] <zoredache> try adding universe and restricted as well
[18:40] <athought> debootstrap --arch=i386 hardy /mnt/desktop http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[18:41] <athought> what? :D
[18:41] <zoredache> sdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main universe restricted
[18:41] <athought> sdeb = source-deb?
[18:41] <zoredache> no.. it is a typbo
[18:41] <zoredache> bleh... I am full of them today it seems
[18:41] <zoredache> !info xubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <athought> is their a security mirror I can track in my source list like the debian security mirrors?
[18:43] <athought> oh yeah, there is xubuntu, many thanks
[18:47] <zoredache> my sources.list wich includes security and source packages is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61234/
[18:48] <zoredache> slight correction http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61235/
[18:50] <athought> thx a lot :)
[18:54] <athought> ok language-env is not installed by default, so no locales but the rest seems to be best :D
[18:55] <athought> damn it doesn't help
[18:55] <athought> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[18:55] <zoredache> you have to do something else... gimme a sec I'll check my notes
[18:55] <athought> dpkg-reconfigure locales  aborts
[18:56] <athought> # dpkg-reconfigure locales
[18:56] <athought> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[18:58] <Iskr> hello
[18:58] <zoredache> so the dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't work for you?
[18:58] <athought> yes but I have the solution
[18:58] <zoredache> ah, ok
[18:58] <athought> generating the locales once manually
[18:59] <athought> afterwards dpkg-reconfigure lcoales works ;-)
[18:59] <zoredache> I never had to do that when I was deboostrap to build debian systems... but I guess this is juat a new 'feature'
[19:00] <zoredache> !hi | Iskr
[19:00] <ubotu> Iskr: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[19:00] <Iskr> i have a question about xubuntu requirements: how is that "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM" but "Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM"
[19:00] <athought> bash: man: command not found
[19:00] <athought> thats bad..
[19:01] <zoredache> Iskr: I think you n eed 192 or even more to run the livecd
[19:01] <zoredache> where did you find the reference that said 128?
[19:01] <Iskr> i have a pIII 900 mhz with 128 mb of ram, and i'm wondering if it is worth dowloading and burning the alternate install iso...
[19:01] <zoredache> !lowmem | Iskr
[19:01] <ubotu> Iskr: For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems.  See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements.
[19:01] <Iskr> zoredache, http://www.xubuntu.org/get#gutsy
[19:02] <Iskr> (i was checking fluxbuntu but i like xfce much more than fluxbox)
[19:03] <Iskr> zoredache, and ubotu thanks for the links =)
[19:03] <Iskr> (nice the pipe syntax for the bot)
[19:03] <zoredache> anyway check out those pages... you can definatly make things work on 128, but it takes some tweaking... and trimming of features you don't need
[19:04] <zoredache> of course you have to decide yourself what you need...  with the price of ram lately it is almost easier to just spend a few $
[19:05] <Iskr> yes but it's on a laptop
[19:05] <Iskr> a old laptop
[19:05] <Iskr> of a friend of mine
[19:06] <Iskr> (i'm not very able with hardware)
[19:06] <Iskr> (neither with software but at least i don't do undoable mess lol)
[19:08] <Iskr> anyway zoredache i see that the clues on the site is to make an essential install and then choose one of the wmaker listed
[19:08] <Iskr> xfce is not exactly one of the most indicated by what is written there
[19:08] <Iskr> so maybe i'd better get acquainted with fluxboc
[19:08] <Iskr> fluxbox
[19:08] <Iskr> =P
[19:09] <Iskr> (and just install fluxbuntu)
[19:10] <Iskr> another question: have you ever noticed that Thunar hangs sometimes when dealing with fat32 partitions?
[19:11] <zoredache> not me, no...  I don't have any fat32 filesystems on any of my devices anymore
[19:56] <Iskr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#head-1e8a8a2a2221583a5ce5a57a242f72b623469815
[19:57] <Iskr> and here i read 64 mb
[19:57] <Iskr> as minimum requirements
[19:58] <Iskr> i am a bit confused
[19:59] <Iskr> has anyone installed xubuntu an a 128 mb ram box? =)
[20:00] <TheSheep> Iskr: yes
[20:00] <TheSheep> Iskr: but you have to use the alternate cd
[20:00] <TheSheep> Iskr: livecd won't run
[20:02] <Iskr> no problem
[20:02] <Iskr> but does it run well after the installation?
[20:06] <TheSheep> Iskr: as long as you only run one application at a time
[20:06] <Iskr> uhm...
[20:07] <Iskr> ok i'll use fluxbox
[20:07] <Iskr> thank you a lot
[20:07] <Iskr> =)
[20:07] <TheSheep> Iskr: there is only so much you can save on using lightweight window manager
[20:08] <TheSheep> Iskr: most applications need a lot of ram by themselves
[20:08] <Iskr> it's true
[20:08] <Iskr> so do you think that with fluxbox it wouldn't be so much better?
[20:09] <TheSheep> Iskr: I really can't say
[20:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: there is only one way to optimize: test
[20:10] <Iskr> of course
[20:10] <Iskr> this is the reason for which i asked
[20:10] <Iskr> ahahah
[20:10] <Iskr> i'm lazy
[20:10] <Iskr> =D
[20:11] <TheSheep> well, you can check the forumes
[20:11] <TheSheep> forums
[20:11] <Iskr> yes
[20:11] <Iskr> but i must say
[20:11] <Iskr> a first try with google
[20:11] <Iskr> didn't tell me too much
[20:11] <Iskr> so i came to irc \o/
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: I think flubuntu has a channel too
[20:12] <Iskr> i'm there =D
[20:12] <Iskr> (i entered there before than here to tell the truth loool)
[20:13] <TheSheep> then I have no good advices for you
[20:13] <TheSheep> you're already smarter
[20:13] <Iskr> no i am not
[20:13] <Iskr> and i appreciate very much your hints =)
[20:50] <zoredache> does anyone know if there is a way to get a selection automagically copied to the clipboard?   As in, I want to make select some text in putty, and then paste it into form in firefox.
[20:51] <zoredache> I have the clipman plugin, on, I see where I can do it as a three step process (make selection, choose the selection in clipman, paste at destination).  I want it to be a two-step operation... select, then paste
[20:53] <Iskr> yes i understood but i can't suggest you anything
[21:33] <slimjimflim> does anybody know the default path for include files for gcc in xubuntu or in general
[21:34] <zoredache> /usr/include?
[21:35] <slimjimflim> k
[21:35] <slimjimflim> ty
[21:35] <zoredache> your welcome
[21:39] <slimjimflim> someone else said there's more than one dir
[21:39] <slimjimflim> any chance i'd have to put the headers in both?
[21:39] <zoredache> there are lots of folders with headers...
[21:39] <slimjimflim> right
[21:39] <TheSheep> slimjimflim: one is enough, it searches in all of them
[21:39] <zoredache> what are you putting there?
[21:39] <slimjimflim> so this one should work
[21:40] <slimjimflim> ok
[21:40] <slimjimflim> cpp header files
[21:40] <zoredache> you really shouldn't need to put anything there
[21:40] <slimjimflim> maybe i should show you my error
[21:40] <TheSheep> slimjimflim: you can also use the -I option for gcc to add more directories
[21:41] <slimjimflim> for example
[21:41] <slimjimflim> undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
[21:41] <slimjimflim> there's about 100 lines of similar errors
[21:45] <zoredache> is this a program you are developing yourself, or something you are just trying to compile?
[21:46] <zoredache> did you already install the build-essentials package?
[21:51] <slimjimflim> hangon, synamptic isn't playing nice
[21:51] <slimjimflim> brb
[22:16] <shinynew> where are the start up scripts stored?
[22:16] <shinynew> every time i start up it just starts up xfce, which i don't want
[22:19] <zoredache> when you startup it starts xfce, or it starts gdm?
[22:20] <zoredache> anyway the starts scripts are in /etc/init.d, and the scripts for various run levels are in /etc/rcN.d
[22:20] <zoredache> where n is the run level and 2 is the default runlevel...
[22:21] <zoredache> of course if you are using the gui you can also use system/services to adjust things
[22:50] <sudobash> dont want to lift the ban
[22:52] <zoredache> pardon?
[22:53] <sudobash> nvm
[22:58] <Jonny0stars> Hello
[22:58] <zoredache> !hi | Jonny0stars
[22:58] <ubotu> Jonny0stars: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[22:59] <Jonny0stars> just a quicky, what pacakge do i need for spellchecking in xchat
[23:01] <Jonny0stars> i thought it was just aspell or possibly gnome-spell
[23:02]  * Jonny0stars is used to gentoo useflags
[23:03] <zoredache> I suspect you might need to ask an xchat person... I really like using irssi...  Have to checked to see if there is a #xchat, or asked in #ubuntu?
[23:03] <danielm> Jonny0stars, aspell
[23:05] <danielm> Jonny0stars, and the dictionaries that you want
[23:05] <Jonny0stars> danielm: hmm i tried apt-geting aspell its all installed
[23:05] <Jonny0stars> ahhh
[23:05] <danielm> like aspell-en
[23:05]  * Jonny0stars slaps head
[23:05] <Jonny0stars> cheers danielm
[23:06] <danielm> and restart xchat
[23:06] <danielm> np ;)
[23:10] <Jonny0stars> well here go's