[03:34] <SIRavecavec> hi need a bit help
[03:34] <SIRavecavec> i am new with edubuntu and all i want is to upgrade withount cd my version direct from internet
[03:34] <SIRavecavec> is it posible?
[04:22] <SIRavecavec> hi how do i change the language of edubuntu?
[06:07] <SIRavecavec> hi
[06:07] <SIRavecavec> need help
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> SIRavecavec, same problem as before?
[06:08] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:08] <SIRavecavec> but now look
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> i get a error when i try to add remove programs
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> (gnome-app-install:4466): HtmlUtil-CRITICAL **: html_stream_cancel: assertion `stream->cancel_func != NULL' failed
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> i really need to set it in to english language
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> :((
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you see that message?
[06:10] <SIRavecavec> in terminal when i try to manualy add remove programs
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> what was the command you ran?
[06:11] <SIRavecavec>  gnome-app-install
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> just that?
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> what happens if you run it from the menu?
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> i do not know to run it from menu
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> cause its czech language\
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> are english translations installed?
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> i do not know
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> :(
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> this is what i want to do
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> but only from terminal
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> cause i cannot outher wai
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> way
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant find the jolly lang packs ;|
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> Kamping_Kaiser,
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> look
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> this are my steps
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# gnome-app-install
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> warning: could not initiate dbus
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> ** (gnome-app-install:4466): WARNING **: return value of custom widget handler was not a GtkWidget
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> Now i see something is wrong but...
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> well theres the problem
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> your running it from a root@ console
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> dbus///
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> i must be root
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> to start that command
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> or?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need to be root to run gai
[06:20] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> tabornik@edubuntu-server:~$ gnome-app-install
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> Introspect error: The name org.freedesktop.AppInstall was not provided by any .service files
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> no listening object (The name org.freedesktop.AppInstall was not provided by any .service files)
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> ** (gnome-app-install:5054): WARNING **: return value of custom widget handler was not a GtkWidget
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> This is when i run it normaly
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your terminal is in english?
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> but only that
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> not entire interface
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> i want the interface in english
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you logging into the server from a client or on the server?
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> and i receive same erors as root
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> running gui apps as root is prone to breaking them
[06:23] <SIRavecavec> :(
[06:23] <SIRavecavec> so what is best i do  now
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you logge d in? from GDM on the server or a client?
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> changing language in GDM is relatively easy
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> actually, are you ona  terminal server, or  a workstation?
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> workstation
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> and is just a simple username
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> and i enter in terminal the root login
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> workstation is much easier
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> cause this wass preinstaled in czeech language
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> in the bottom left of the login screen is a little menu
[06:28] <SIRavecavec> can you assist me?
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it lets you select your 'session' (eg gnome/kde/other), and language
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant really tell you past that, because i dont know what it'll say
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> i cannot find any
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> if its a way from terminal
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> then i do it
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> but from this interface not a chance
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> i tryed all menus
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried looking in the menu?
[06:31] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> SIRavecavec, perhaps ask #ubuntu-cz if someone can help you. jenda will be able to perhaps (even though hes currently inactive)
[06:34] <SIRavecavec> ahh
[06:34] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:35]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to do some study
[06:35] <SIRavecavec> if i am root
[06:35] <SIRavecavec> how can i find gnome sudo pass?
[13:49] <dtrask> stgraber: I just used your bt headset pairing program....very nice....thanks for doing it.  Made life easier  :-)
[17:17] <SIRavecavec> hi need some help someone here to help me?
[17:22] <juliux> SIRavecavec, just ask your question, perhaps somebody is around who can help you
[17:23] <SIRavecavec> ive updated my edubuntunfrom 6.06 to next version and when i check version on terminal is 6.06 when i try to update again there are no packs available
[17:44] <SIRavecavec> whe i access add remove programs i get this
[17:44] <SIRavecavec> (gnome-app-install:7223): HtmlUtil-CRITICAL **: html_stream_cancel: assertion `stream->cancel_func != NULL' failed
[18:42] <SIRavecavec> juliux,
[18:42] <SIRavecavec> can you help me?
[18:45] <ogra> SIRavecavec, did you follow the upgrade docs ?
[18:45] <johnny> ogra!
[18:46] <johnny> also, don't bug people by name when they join SIRavecavec, it is bad ettiquette
[18:46]  * johnny upgrades to hardy on the laptop for testing
[18:46] <johnny> i lost power during it tho :(
[18:46] <johnny> hopefully it'll finish properly this time
[18:46] <ogra> you turn into an ubuntu user slowly eh ?
[18:47] <johnny> i use ubuntu at the store
[18:47] <johnny> and maintain multiple ubuntu boxes
[18:47] <ogra> oh, right, i forgot
[18:47] <johnny> i need my own ubuntu box to play with , so i can actually know what i'm doing :)
[18:47] <ogra> all your gentoo efforts made me forget :)
[18:47] <johnny> and break my own stuff
[18:47] <ogra> btw, donnie was looking for you yesterday
[18:47] <johnny> i found him
[18:47] <ogra> good
[18:47] <johnny> i was out of town for a few days
[18:48] <johnny> it was good for my ltsp efforts tho!
[18:48] <johnny> now i can refocus
[18:48] <johnny> uggh..scrollkeeper update is taking FOREVER
[18:48] <SIRavecavec> i did folow the documents
[18:49]  * ogra *finally* finishes the whisky he has lying around after getting good feedback from the marketing team for the classmate image
[18:49] <johnny> HURRY UP!
[18:49] <johnny> aha.. finally
[18:49] <ogra> SIRavecavec, so you didnt use apget anywhere ... did the update-manager show any errors
[18:49] <ogra> *apt-get
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  no errors
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> first time
[18:50] <johnny> gnome stopped working :(
[18:50] <johnny> i'm having to use apt-get
[18:50] <ogra> no
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> and after i instaled i try to see my version and is steel 6.06
[18:50] <ogra> johnny, you use update-manager-core
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> when i try to use again update manager its says im newest version
[18:51] <johnny> i wish update-manager would hold off on asking questions til the end, i go to sleep.. and it's still waiting for an answer :(
[18:51] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  i try to much this:((
[18:51] <ogra> SIRavecavec, did you pull a fresh version from dapper-updates before upgarding ? the upgarde code is usually in these versions
[18:53] <ogra> johnny, the thing is that apt simply doesnt handle all cases of upgrades, u-m has a lot of special casing for converting setup, removing unsupported stuff and making sure the right replacements are in place
[18:53] <ogra> using apt only will not give you the same system u-m will
[18:53] <ogra> thats why we discourage apt usage at all for dist upgrades
[18:53] <johnny> i don't even have update-manager-core
[18:54] <ogra> no, its only installed on -server by default
[18:54] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  no i did not i did what they told me to do upgrade-manager
[18:55] <ogra> SIRavecavec, for a proper upgrade you need to first install update-manager from your releases updates repository (in your case dapper-updates)
[18:55] <ogra> the upgrade docs state that i think
[18:55] <ogra> and explain how to get it
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> ok can you teach me how or where to read?
[18:55] <johnny> actually it told me to run dpkg --configure -a
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> (synaptic:7334): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> i get this erros many times
[18:57] <ogra> SIRavecavec, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-7e4d0a8850f88d770c9e373ca84c3a78703a58ad
[18:57] <johnny> did they ever add that option to allow you to keep your /home intact?
[18:58] <ogra> ?
[18:58] <johnny> in the installer
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> No new release found
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# do-release-upgrade
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> No new release found
[18:58] <ogra> home will never ever be touched by any upgrade
[18:58] <johnny> for an installer .. not upgrade
[18:59] <ogra> you can do that since the first ubuntu release
[18:59] <johnny> but only if it's on a seperate partition?
[18:59] <ogra> just pick custom partitioning and mount the /home wherever you want it
[18:59] <ogra> right
[18:59] <johnny> i don't have a mounted /home.. i picked the default when i set it up
[18:59] <johnny> i was in a rush
[18:59] <johnny> and the drive wasnt' large
[18:59] <ogra> for users thats fine imho
[19:00] <ogra> usually you dont ever need yto reinstall a debian based OS
[19:00] <ogra> for a developer thats different ...
[19:00] <johnny> so.. ltsp question.. it's saying tags aren't supported by my current branch format.. is followng the instructions to run bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags the right thing?
[19:00] <ogra> i need to reinstall from time to time  ... so i keep my home separate
[19:00] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I am looking for a way to get Yahoo Mail in Evolution. If nobody here knows, please guide me to a channel where I can get my answer.
[19:01] <ogra> johnny, yup
[19:02] <ogra> Muhammad_Saad, http://gopalkoduri.wordpress.com/2006/06/23/configuring-evolution-mail-to-work-with/ second hit for googling "Yahoo Mail in Evolution"
[19:05] <Muhammad_Saad> I want to do that for free. :-/
[19:06] <Muhammad_Saad> just like there is the WebMail extension in Thunderbird.
[19:07] <Muhammad_Saad> Does anyone know?
[19:08] <Muhammad_Saad> If nobody knows then please tell me an appropriate channel.
[19:08] <johnny> we might not know it?
[19:09] <johnny> look for the gnome irc server?
[19:12] <ogra> what do you me4an with "for free" ?
[19:12] <ogra> the page above only shows the data you have to use to make it work
[19:12] <ogra> it doesnt cost anything
[19:13] <Muhammad_Saad> I think Yahoo only provides POP to those who pay for it. Please correct me if I am wrong.
[19:13] <ogra> no idea
[19:13] <ogra> i would never touch yahoo mail
[19:13] <ogra> so i dont know
[19:13] <ogra> ...
[19:14] <ogra> you asked for instructions how to make tyahoo work with evo
[19:14] <ogra> google might reveal a lot more here
[19:14] <Muhammad_Saad> I would never touch Yahoo mail too but I have to use it for messenger service to stay connected with my friends.
[19:15] <RichEd> ogra: does the image update with zsync but keep the old filename
[19:15] <RichEd> (old date in the name) ?
[19:16] <ogra> if you use the -o option
[19:16] <ogra> (its suboptimal, i know)
[19:16] <RichEd> fine ... as long as I did not waste my time & bandwidth :)
[19:16] <ogra> nah
[19:16] <RichEd> doing the dd now to usb
[19:16] <ogra> check the date of the file qith ls -l
[19:16] <ogra> and check the md5sum
[19:17] <ogra> thats why i generate it ;)
[19:17] <RichEd> will let you know tomorrow if it breaks like mr liptin seems to manage :)
[19:17] <ogra> he said he didnt but his colleagues did
[19:17] <RichEd> well they are skilled over there aren't they ;)
[19:17] <ogra> shhh
[19:18] <RichEd> later ... knackered & have to put the boys to bed
[19:18] <ogra> we're on a public channel :)
[19:18] <RichEd> till tomorrow
[19:18] <ogra> ciao
[19:18] <RichEd> i'm talking about mr lipton the tea fellow ...
[19:18] <RichEd> nothin to do with *****
[19:18] <ogra> oh
[19:18] <RichEd> bye
[19:18] <ogra> ah
[19:18] <ogra> thought that was a typo
[19:18] <ogra> :)
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> ogra,
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> it did not worked none of above
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> i cannot update
[19:23] <ogra> Sir_Remoz, did you read the instructions on teh page i pasted above
[19:24] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  yes i did
[19:25] <ogra> and what does the command under that url give you ?
[19:25] <SIRavecavec> nothing
[19:26] <SIRavecavec> i just type it and nothing hapends
[19:38] <highvoltage> oh wow, not often I see you guys here on a friday eveneing :)
[19:39]  * SIRavecavec is drunk
[19:40] <highvoltage> *BSZZZZHT*
[19:41]  * LaserJock runs
[19:42] <SIRavecavec> hi LaserJock
[19:42] <LaserJock> hi
[19:49] <LaserJock> highvoltage: how's it going>
[19:49] <LaserJock> ?
[19:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just woke up a few minutes ago
[19:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: bad allergies bought me down, so I took a nap, feeling slightly better now
[19:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: also going through yet another phase of thinking *everything* through and deciding what is important in life
[19:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heh, me too
[19:51] <LaserJock> I just made a last minute *buntu push and uploaded a bunch of stuff
[19:52] <highvoltage> yes, I saw your feature freeze exception request for gcompris.
[19:52] <highvoltage> glad it came through.
[19:54] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, sometimes I'm surprised that things get approved
[19:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think it makes a big difference that you've worked with quite a few different packages in the past, and that you are proven to be competent. So if you ask for an exception, I would think that it's considered very low risk to approve it.
[19:55] <highvoltage> I wish I can get to that stage one day :)
[19:55] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  i cannnot make my edubuntu upgrade
[19:55] <SIRavecavec> :( i try all documentation
[19:56] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: what version do you have and what do you want to upgrade to?
[19:56] <SIRavecavec> i have 6.06 but i used update-manager -c and its showing me some upgrades i instaled all
[19:56] <SIRavecavec> but when i use terminal to check my version its steel 6.06
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> and when i try to use again update-manager -c is no updates anymore
[19:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:57] <LaserJock> 6.06 is pretty old
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> yes
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> :(\
[19:57] <LaserJock> so do you want to update to 7.10?
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> yes
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> or last version
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> i wass even ready to test the betas
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> but...
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> :(
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> i use romainian language
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> my native language
[19:58] <LaserJock> well, a direct upgrade from 6.06 to 7.10 isn't really supported
[19:59] <opapo> when I restart a client the server restarts
[19:59] <LaserJock> a direct upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04 which will be out next month will be supported
[19:59] <opapo> is that a bug, feature, or user error
[19:59] <LaserJock> opapo: how are you restarting the client?
[19:59] <opapo> I am in the client and I do sudo init 6
[20:00] <SIRavecavec> so LaserJock  can i go to 7.04
[20:00] <SIRavecavec> or a better version
[20:00] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: well, you can try, generally upgrade only work very well from one release to the next
[20:00] <stgraber> opapo: what you see on your client is a session running on the server, so everything you run will be run on the server
[20:00] <LaserJock> so 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10
[20:00] <stgraber> opapo: the only way you have to reboot a client si to close the session then choose reboot at the login prompt
[20:01] <LaserJock> but that gets really messy
[20:01] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  but what commands i use?
[20:01] <SIRavecavec> to do that?
[20:01] <opapo> stgraber: that explains things
[20:02] <opapo> so, for clarification sake, I get to a login screen that has an ip address given through dhcp
[20:02] <opapo> and then when I log in, I have the ip address of the server?
[20:03] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion
[20:05] <opapo> Can I not have a client running a full OS in a chrooted environment?
[20:06] <opapo> on the server?
[20:06] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  but its only for version feytsy and ge./..
[20:06] <SIRavecavec> not for drake mine 6.06
[20:06] <LaserJock> opapo: I think that's what is called a fat client
[20:07] <opapo> LaserJock: thanks
[20:07] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: "For example, a user of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) could first upgrade to 6.10, then to 7.04, and then to 7.10. For instructions on how to do this, check the UpgradeNotes page."
[20:07] <opapo> You guys have been helpful and responsive.  Thank you.
[20:07] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: which then leads you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:07] <LaserJock> opapo: no problem
[20:11] <stgraber> opapo: np, fat clients may be a solution depending on how fast is your hardware (and your network)
[20:11] <stgraber> opapo: IIRC we have a wiki page about that but not sure how up to date it's
[20:29] <opapo> stgraber: The information is out of date by a year or two, but I have enough information to head in the right direction
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> how to add mc to edubuntu?\
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> midnight commander
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> ?
[22:41] <opapo> does citrix run a thin or thick client?