[00:00] <Pierro> its worth the space yes
[00:00] <Claybrain145> Start menu?
[00:00] <Pierro> lol
[00:00] <Pierro> i dont have one
[00:00] <terran4000> K-menu then!
[00:00] <Pierro> ok
[00:00] <ign0ramus> a lot of people like Wubi, but i don't really know much about it
[00:00] <nonewmsgs> the problem with linux is i keep installing stuff and downloading stuff and running out of space
[00:00] <nonewmsgs> i have nearly 640gb all nearly full
[00:00] <terran4000> o.O
[00:00] <Pierro> ign0ramus the new Ubuntu uses Wubi install method(optionally) in their beta installer
[00:00] <ign0ramus> what the hell are you dl;ing?
[00:01] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: that's... um.. unusual
[00:01] <terran4000> I can't even find that munch anime and british tv to download!
[00:01] <ign0ramus> pierro: cool- its a really intuitive installer!
[00:01] <Jucato> 1. It doesn't download stuff without your consent/knowledge
[00:01] <Pierro> apt-get clean :)
[00:01] <terran4000> *much
[00:01] <Pierro> yeah
[00:01] <Pierro> it is
[00:01] <Jucato> 2. It periodically cleans (30 days) the APT cache, but you can manually do it with the command Pierro gave
[00:01] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, no i only download stuffs i want
[00:02] <Pierro> http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3569/15gbubuntufb0.png
[00:02] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: really long pr0nz??? ;)
[00:02] <terran4000> lol
[00:02] <ign0ramus> pierro: sweet!
[00:02] <Pierro> yeah
[00:02] <Pierro> couldnt be easier
[00:03] <ign0ramus> less than a month!
[00:03] <terran4000> That's the new-ish windows installer for K/Ubuntu right?
[00:03] <ign0ramus> yup
[00:03] <Jucato> !wubi
[00:03] <Pierro> yeah
[00:03] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[00:03] <Jucato> hm.. they changed it..
[00:03] <ign0ramus> damn bots! :)
[00:04] <terran4000> 8.04 is comming along nicely, only minor problems so far.
[00:04] <terran4000> Hope they finish it soon.
[00:04] <Pierro> yeah i like it a lot
[00:04] <ign0ramus> jucato: do you know how to limit the .thumbnails folder? i've gotten a lot of good advice from you before...
[00:04] <Pierro> 30 days i think
[00:04] <Pierro> or less
[00:04] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, old tv shows, ripped movies, etc
[00:05] <Pierro> Jericho got cancelled again :(
[00:05] <Jucato> O.o
[00:05] <Jucato> ign0ramus: hm.. nope...
[00:05] <Pierro> my fav. dystopian show
[00:05] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: so why are you blaming linux???
[00:05] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, i am hoping sarah conner comes on
[00:05] <Pierro> lol
[00:05] <ign0ramus> jucato: np.  thanks anyway
[00:05] <Jucato> ign0ramus: he's blaming linux for condoning his addiction :)
[00:05] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, hehe no i LOVE it.  otherwise i wouldnt use it so much
[00:05] <Jucato> anyway, offtopic :)
[00:06] <hellhound> does anyone know why a wireless connection would go much slower in Kubuntu than in Linux?
[00:06] <terran4000> Because Kubuntu is linux? o.O
[00:06] <ign0ramus> hellhound: hmm... kubuntu vs. linux??? wha??
[00:06] <hellhound> Opps I meant....does anyone know why a wireless connection would go much slower in Kubuntu than in WINDOZ?
[00:07] <ign0ramus> hellhound: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[00:07] <ign0ramus> there shouldn't be any real difference
[00:07] <nonewmsgs> hellhound, i know that 54mbps dont use 108mbps in general
[00:07] <terran4000> hellhound: most likely because of drivers ... though from what I've seen so far, most (thus not all) have no speed problems.
[00:07] <ign0ramus> and what are you using as a benchmark (ie, how can you tell?)
[00:08]  * Jucato uses http://speedtest.net usually...
[00:09] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: have you tried using Miro? you can use it to torrent, download http, and watch all your dl;s, and it can delete shows older than "X" days... its pretty cool
[00:09]  * terran4000 is happy if there actually IS a connection to complain about.
[00:09] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, neat
[00:09] <hellhound> ign0ramus: it is a netgear WPN311
[00:09] <Pierro> yeah i tried miro its buggy as hell on windows but runs ok on linux
[00:09]  * Jucato introduces nonewmsgs to the concept of burning files on DVD's...
[00:10] <ign0ramus> hellhound: a pcmcia card?
[00:10] <nonewmsgs> Jucato, i just burned like 15 last weekend
[00:10] <Jucato> burn more! :P
[00:10] <nonewmsgs> Jucato, my ISP must hate me
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> is there anything like miro written for kde?
[00:10] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: i was just going to ask who you have!
[00:10] <terran4000> Unless they sent you a DMCA, they still love ya as long as you pay the bills.
[00:10] <hellhound> ign0ramus: no it is a PCI card on a desktop (not laptop) it is too far away for a wired connection
[00:10] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, verizon 3.0mbps
[00:11] <ign0ramus> odd-rationale: you can run miro on kde
[00:11] <nonewmsgs> can't wait until fios finally reaches me
[00:11] <Pierro> nonewmsgs how fast will fios be/
[00:11] <Pierro> ?
[00:11] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: verizon is known for being pretty cool about bandwidth. not like comcast...
[00:11] <Odd-rationale> ign0ramus: yeah i know. just wondering
[00:11] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, they have 3 speeds, 15mpbs, 30mbps, and i think 50mbps
[00:11] <ign0ramus> hellhound: what kind of signal are you getting? full signal?
[00:12] <Pierro> nice nonewmsgs
[00:12] <ign0ramus> 50mbps! oh man- i'd need 10 more hdds!
[00:12] <hellhound> ign0ramus: how do i check in kubuntu?
[00:12] <Pierro> i played against a guy with fios from the usa i am from Holland and we didnt have any lag
[00:12] <Creationist> How do I make sure Kubuntu is using the latest nVidia drivers (proprietary)?
[00:12] <ign0ramus> hellhound: don't you have a little icon in your kicker panel (taskbar)?
[00:13] <hellhound> ign0ramus: i have a few of them
[00:13] <ign0ramus> creationist: check in kcontrol
[00:13] <Pierro> ati proprietary drivers on Kubuntu borked my system so bad i had to reinstall :/
[00:13] <ign0ramus> hellhound: the one that corresponds to your wireless signal?
[00:13] <Creationist> ign0ramus: I basically mean how do I make Kubuntu install the newest drivers as they become available?
[00:14] <nonewmsgs> Creationist, envy does that
[00:14] <terran4000> Pierro: yeah, ati driver are 'different'. There actually is a way to finesse them into submission.
[00:14] <Pierro> nonewmsgs i am currently on 24 MBit/s symmetrical fiber-to-the-home you get used to it really fast i might upgrade to 100 MBit/s symmetrical
[00:14] <nonewmsgs> Creationist, or at least it installs the latest one when you first do it
[00:14] <ign0ramus> i don't think envy is recommended... :(
[00:14] <ign0ramus> !envy
[00:14] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[00:14] <Pierro> :)
[00:15] <Creationist> nonewmsgs: Right, but that's not what I'm looking for.
[00:15] <Jucato> Creationist: when a new driver has been packaged for Ubuntu, it will be available as an update on your system
[00:15] <Pierro> yeah envy breaks your system
[00:15] <terran4000> No always
[00:15] <ign0ramus> creationist: it should do it automatically, but you can always check for yourself
[00:15] <hellhound> ign0ramus: I have a volume setting, the klipper, and Knetwork manager (but I am not using KNetwork manager since I could not get it to work..instead I put my SSID and key in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:15] <Pierro> they recommended envy to me in #ubuntu on EFnet :/ i was stupid enough to try envy
[00:15] <Creationist> Jucato: Hmm... then the package is WAY behind.  My version is 100.x   the current nVidia version is 164.x or something similar.
[00:15] <terran4000> I used it on 3 new installs and it worked fine enough.
[00:16] <Pierro> terran4000 maybe for nvidia
[00:16] <nonewmsgs> you can always download the latest one from the chipset manufacturer?
[00:16] <Pierro> not for ati though
[00:16] <terran4000> Pierro: twice on ati, once on NV
[00:16] <Pierro> not on my box anyways
[00:16] <Pierro> yeah
[00:16] <terran4000> hehe
[00:16] <Jucato> Creationist: one of two things: 1. They might not have packaged it immediately for technical reasons or 2. It's already packaged, but somehow you haven't received the update yet
[00:16] <Pierro> proprietary ati drivers are terrible
[00:17] <ign0ramus> hellhound: hmm... i wonder if knetworkmanager is interfering then.
[00:17] <Pierro> maybe not for higher end cards
[00:17] <terran4000> you're telling me? I'm stuck with em until I get enough cash to guy a new nv card.
[00:17] <nonewmsgs> i have ati difficulty with windows and linux with ati
[00:17] <Pierro> but for my old card it was terrible
[00:17] <ign0ramus> hellhound: if you're not using it at all, try removing it, restarting X, and see if your wireless speeds improve
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> If I had a choice between a intel video driver and a nvidia one, which one would be a better choice to get?
[00:17] <Creationist> Jucato: Hmm.. okay, I guess I'll just get it from nVidia then
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> *video card
[00:17] <terran4000> Odd-rationale: nvidia
[00:17] <ign0ramus> odd-rationale: nvidia, by far... for now anyway
[00:17] <hellhound> ign0ramus: to remove it I just do so with adapt manager?
[00:18] <Jucato> Creationist: the newest nvidia driver is available in hardy. maybe it will be backported to gutsy or you can upgrade to hardy in a month
[00:18] <ign0ramus> hellhound: yup.  or terminal... either way
[00:18] <Odd-rationale> ok. thanks!
[00:19] <ign0ramus> odd-rationale: even on windows, the comparable nvidia cards are outperforming ATI, and the fact that ATI drivers *suck* on Linux makes it a no-brainer
[00:19] <Odd-rationale> ign0ramus: ati or intel?
[00:19] <Pierro> yeah never again ati or amd for me
[00:19] <ign0ramus> ati
[00:19] <Pierro> next time its intel and nvidia
[00:20] <ign0ramus> yeah, amd isn't much fun with linux either (currently)
[00:20] <ign0ramus> the X64 support just doesn't cut it.
[00:21] <Pierro> lol amd is selling their failing quadcore cpus as triple cores now
[00:21] <nonewmsgs> i am all for amd/ati actually being competition but they seem to be more of lip service now.  open source 2d drivers.  wtf? they haven't opened the 3d which would be actually useful
[00:21] <ign0ramus> i got a 'slightly used' Acer Extensa 5620 for <$400, and linux instantly recognized the intel chipset/PRO wireless, and the dual-core cpu. Easy!
[00:22] <terran4000> o.O, root ... lol.
[00:22] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, i have had wonderful luck with the *buntu and hardware.
[00:22] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: yeah, i loved AMD when they were actually beating Intel, because they're cheaper and were cooler (temp-wise).  but right now, they are lagging
[00:22] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: the only two things i had to manually do something about were the 1. HD Intel sound and 2. Integrated webcam
[00:23] <ign0ramus> the sound involved adding a single line to a modules file - easy
[00:23] <nonewmsgs> ign0ramus, now that i think about it I did replace all my wirelesscards, replace webcam, and replace videocard
[00:23] <Pierro> i have had no luck with my blue tooth headset on Kubuntu i was able to pair and auth the device and connect but there wasnt any bluetooth audio device i could use in the Kubuntu audiomixer
[00:23] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: and everything was auto-detect?
[00:24] <nonewmsgs> yeah.  the videocard did work but not well with beryl and the webcam was very dark green instead of colors (both were very old)
[00:24] <ign0ramus> and my webcam involved install the linux-uvc driver along with v4l and v4l2
[00:24] <ign0ramus> also not too hard
[00:24] <nonewmsgs> so i spent my money on hardware instead of the OS
[00:24] <Pierro> the compiz stuff works very well for me with the ati open source drivers
[00:24] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: the way it should be
[00:25] <ign0ramus> pierro: i have a stupid integrated intel graphics that compiz seems to hate
[00:25] <Pierro> ok i see
[00:25] <Pierro> only thing that didnt run smoothly was kiba-dock
[00:25] <Pierro> for me
[00:25] <Pierro> couldnt get it to run properly
[00:26] <Pierro> cpu jumped at 90 % :/
[00:26] <Pierro> lol
[00:26] <Pierro> but its useless eyecandy anyways :)
[00:26] <Pierro> kiba-dock at least
[00:26] <Pierro> someone should fix that kiba-dock
[00:27] <Pierro> is it abandonware?
[00:27] <Odd-rationale> is there any "mac-like" dock that works well with kde?
[00:27] <nonewmsgs> the one issue i have had with kubuntu is i had a cute little widget but once my system went into powersave mode it wouldn't come back if that widget was on
[00:28] <yakuzi> Odd-rationale: i thought AWN is something like that
[00:28] <Pierro> yeah awn
[00:28] <ign0ramus> pierro: you can try kdocker - not as snazzy, but essentially the same thing
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> yakuzi: OK. I thought awn had some problems with kde? no?
[00:29] <Pierro> i basically wanted to have kiba-dock cuz of all those cool youtube vids about it
[00:29] <nonewmsgs> i'm not a big dockman
[00:29] <Daisuke_Ido> looks cool, completely useless.
[00:29] <yakuzi> Odd-rationale: i don't know, i never tried it
[00:29] <ign0ramus> daisuke_ido: completely agree
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> yakuzi: me neither!
[00:29] <ign0ramus> especially once i found out about Alt+Space ;)
[00:30] <Odd-rationale> probably someone already made a plasmoid dock...
[00:31] <ign0ramus> i hate to say it, but eyecandy is much easier in GNOME, although it looks much better in KDE
[00:31] <Pierro> lol
[00:31] <ign0ramus> but i
[00:31] <Pierro> the physics engine is what makes it so fun and pointless at the same time :)
[00:31] <nonewmsgs> i want the gnome weather widget or something close to it on k
[00:32] <ign0ramus> prefer to use my resources for real work
[00:32] <firecrotch> work? what's that?
[00:32] <Pierro> lol
[00:32] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: then you want superkaramba + liquid weather
[00:32] <yakuzi> things like maple :(
[00:32] <Pierro> i keep minimizing windows to see the paper planes :)
[00:32] <ign0ramus> work = downloading tons of stuff, playing games, chatting, etc
[00:32] <ign0ramus> you know, work! :)
[00:33] <Pierro> ign0ramus i cant play games on linux :(
[00:33] <nonewmsgs> for work i use windows
[00:33] <Pierro> only emulators work well
[00:33] <firecrotch> Oh, *that* work!
[00:33] <Pierro> stupid ati
[00:33] <ign0ramus> pierro: what kind of games?  i have a Playstation emulater, SNES emulator, and there;s a bunch of games in Add-Remove...
[00:33] <terran4000> Pierro: You can't? Which drivers are you using? the Open source ones?
[00:33] <Pierro> can you install xen on Kubuntu?
[00:34] <Pierro> ign0ramus i mean games via wine igno
[00:34] <terran4000> Pierro: yes you can.
[00:34] <Pierro> ign0ramus
[00:34] <Pierro> wont work for me
[00:34] <nonewmsgs> why are all the emulators easier in windows? really.  even snes9x and zsnes
[00:34] <Pierro> anyways
[00:34] <yakuzi> Pierro: at least you have a normal GPU, i have to do it with a silly intel GMA 945 without memory of it's own
[00:34] <firecrotch> That reminds me, I should try to find my USB game pad
[00:34] <Pierro> yeah yakuzi
[00:34] <Pierro> you have a better cpu
[00:34] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: because the windows ones all involve a GUI, whereas the linux ones are the engine with a gui thrown on at the last minute!
[00:34] <Pierro> though :)
[00:34] <nonewmsgs> microsoft makes nice gamepads.  they call them xbox things
[00:34] <Pierro> i have amd
[00:34] <Pierro> :(
[00:35] <Pierro> lol
[00:35] <Pierro> you can use your wiimote
[00:35] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: if you were comfortable using the terminal to play the emulators, they're actually better on linux
[00:35] <yakuzi> well i've an intel core solo T1350 (on my laptop that is, my desktop can't run linux due to some aid array crap...early sata motherboard)
[00:36] <Pierro> someone needs to make a nice flashy arcade app for all the emulation in kde style
[00:36] <rom> hi
[00:36] <rom> I don't understand
[00:36] <Pierro> hi rom where is ram?
[00:36] <yakuzi> :p
[00:36] <ign0ramus> pierro: kxmame
[00:36] <yakuzi> ram has run away ;-)
[00:36] <Pierro> lol
[00:36] <Ukonpoika> Obey the rules: post only support-issues here, all offtopic to: #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:36] <rom> I have a script sshfs-mount, which mount each of my mountpoints
[00:37] <rom> if I run the script it works
[00:37] <rom> but I made a link to this application on the desktop
[00:37] <rom> and launched from the desktop
[00:37] <rom> it doesn't work
[00:37] <ign0ramus> rom: probably an invalid symlink
[00:37] <rom> it's not a symlink
[00:38] <ign0ramus> could you just put it in your .autostart folder?  or you only want it on-demand?
[00:38] <rom> on the desktop : right clic, "link to an application"
[00:38] <rom> no I want it on demand
[00:38] <rom> I enabled "open in a terminal"
[00:38] <rom> but doesn't work
[00:38] <rom> while if I run MANUALLY in a terminal it works
[00:39] <ign0ramus> rom: hmm.. are there any parameters you're specifying?  what about permissions?
[00:39] <rom> no parameters
[00:39] <rom> permission 755
[00:39] <rom> in "properties of link to an application"
[00:40] <rom> command : '/home/rom/sh/sshfs-mount'
[00:40] <yakuzi> rom: did you put the commands in the textbox below he "run in terminal"? because if it is, you can try adding it in the textbox next to "command"
[00:40] <rom> I put it in "command"
[00:41] <ign0ramus> rom: instead of entering the path manually, have you browsed and clicked on your script?
[00:42] <rom> yes
[00:42] <rom> that's what I did
[00:42] <firecrotch> OH MY GOD
[00:42] <ign0ramus> ok, well that rules out any misspellings/typos
[00:42] <firecrotch> I just finished installing Hardy-KDE4 on my laptop.  SOUND WORKS!!!
[00:42] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: *golf clap*
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> rom: is ~/sshfs-mount made executable?
[00:43] <rom> yes of course
[00:43] <rom> it works in a konsole
[00:43] <ign0ramus> it would have to be
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> rom: just making sure
[00:43] <rom> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rom rom 198 2008-03-21 11:55 /home/rom/sh/sshfs-mount
[00:43] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  :)  Never got sound working because the drivers were broken in Gutsy and every other release
[00:44] <rom> in fact when I launch it from the link on the desktop, it seems to work, but my folders are not mounted, while they are if I run it manually
[00:44] <rom> launching the script
[00:44] <rom> $ ~/sh/sshfs-mount
[00:44] <Pierro> tomorrow i get No More Heroes for Wii i am excited but now i want to find out how to use the group+tab feature in beryl?
[00:45] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: sweet dude
[00:45] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: out of curiosity, what soundcard do you have?
[00:46] <ign0ramus> rom: short of making it executable and having proper permissions, i don't see why it wouldn't work, but i think you've already arrived at that conclusion. :/
[00:47] <firecrotch> ign0ramus: Intel 82801G High Definition Audio Controller
[00:47] <rom> $ cat ~/sh/sshfs-mount
[00:47] <rom> #!/bin/sh
[00:47] <rom> sshfs -p5678 rom-desktop:/media/gnu /net/gnu
[00:47] <rom> sshfs -p5678 rom-desktop:/media/tux /net/tux
[00:47] <rom> (the content)
[00:47] <firecrotch> it's an ICH7 Family audio card, which have never worked in *buntu properly
[00:47] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: did you ever add your laptop's model as a parameter in .modules???
[00:48] <firecrotch> ign0ramus: Yeah, I've previously tried just about EVERYTHING that could be done
[00:49] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: well i'm glad hardy works for you.  i;ve seen some previews, but it didn't seem that much different... did you notice anything that sticks out (besides the sound, lol)?
[00:49] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Not yet, I'm working on getting my wireless to work
[00:49] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: broadcom card?
[00:50] <terran4000> ign0ramus: don't know if it's just me, but 8.04 seems a bit more 'robust', crisp and a tee-bit faster.
[00:50] <firecrotch> Actually not a broadcom
[00:50] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: but it's not working?
[00:50] <ign0ramus> terran4000: i'm going to wait for the official release, but it does seem promising!
[00:51] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Nope, never has in the past either right out of the box.  Previously it's been just a matter of using ndiswrapper
[00:51] <ign0ramus> ugh.
[00:51] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: what kind of card is it?
[00:51] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Can't do anything tonight really though since I have no way of connecting it to the internet
[00:51] <rom> in fact the script is executed, but sshfs directories are not mounted
[00:51] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: but.... you... are... on... the.... internet... ???
[00:51] <rom> while if I run it manually
[00:51] <rom> it works
[00:51] <rom> ununderstandable
[00:52] <ign0ramus> unpossible!
[00:52] <firecrotch> ign0ramus: Different laptop :)
[00:52] <rom> I added "echo" between each line, they are printed
[00:52] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: no router?
[00:52] <firecrotch> It's an Atheros AR242x
[00:52] <rom> but ssh folders aren't mounted
[00:52] <rom> :(
[00:52] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Let's just say that I don't have physical access to the router, and I have no clue where the router is.
[00:53] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: hahaha i gotcha ;)
[00:53]  * ign0ramus goes to secure his wireless connection now
[00:54] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Better use WPA ;)
[00:54] <ign0ramus> business class
[00:54] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: for educational purposes only, linux is beautiful in being able to sniff packets and such.  for educational purposes
[00:55] <firecrotch> ign0ramus:  Oh yes, I've educated myself in that area
[00:56] <ign0ramus> i don't want to get booted, but i've checked it out too, and some of the stuff is amazing.  that's the only time i hate having my own house with only one neighbor!
[00:56] <nonewmsgs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
[00:56] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: ???
[00:56] <firecrotch> Hmm... I'm actually not liking KDE4 all that much
[00:57] <Odd-rationale> firecrotch: I'm staying with kde3 for a while...
[00:57] <frank23> firecrotch: I don't find kde4 is 'ready' yet
[00:57] <firecrotch> It looks great, but I don't like it for some reason.  Seems almost too... OSX-ish
[00:58] <ign0ramus> firecrotch: lets not start a flamewar here.  oh wait, this isn't digg.com  we're cool ;)
[00:59] <tuxwulf> How to reconfigure locales?
[00:59] <tuxwulf> dpkg-reconfigure locales does not work, just generates a list
[00:59] <ign0ramus> tuxwulf: kcontrol
[01:00] <ign0ramus> tuxwulf: you're just trying to change your country/language/currency, etc, yes?
[01:00] <yakuzi> do you guys have it that firefox crashes a lot? even if i have the newest version (2.0.0.13 i believe) it mostly crashes on a site from our country's official news-compagny :s
[01:00] <yakuzi> *company
[01:01] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: not too often *except* on flash sites.  if i'm viewing youtube, i have like 1:4 odds that it will crash and I have to force-exit
[01:01] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: but that has to do with the flash plugin, not firefox itself
[01:01] <yakuzi> well hat site has much video on it, but it evencrashes when not using the video-streams at all
[01:02] <tuxwulf> ign0ramus: Eh no.. It is part of a more elaborate IME setup
[01:02] <firecrotch> Hm... guess I ought to download the KDE3 version of Hardy now
[01:02] <ign0ramus> tuxwulf: my mistake.  maybe someone else can help...
[01:03] <frank23> yakuzi: I can check a website that crashes for you if you want. firefox hasn't crashed on me yet
[01:03] <yakuzi> the site is www.deredactie.be
[01:03] <yakuzi> but it doesn't crash always...more like 1:4 indeed :p
[01:04] <tuxwulf> ign0ramus: Having a look anyway.. thanks!
[01:04] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: what is that, belgium?
[01:04] <yakuzi> yup
[01:04] <yakuzi> dutch news-site
[01:04] <ign0ramus> best beer in the world!
[01:04] <yakuzi> :p
[01:05] <ign0ramus> i just finished some leffe blonde
[01:05] <yakuzi> well i almost don't drink alcohol...(and surely not beer)
[01:05] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: what is "net een klein kind"?
[01:06] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: the site seems to play nice with firefox so far, i've followed about a dozen links - no crash
[01:06] <yakuzi> "just like a little child"
[01:06] <frank23> yakuzi: belgians speak dutch, I thought it was mostly french and flammand (is flammand like dutch?)
[01:07] <yakuzi> well in belgium you have 3 official languages: dutch (most people); french (second biggest amount) and german (only a few housends or so)
[01:08] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: the only thing i see with the site is the amount of flash (tons!), but otherwise, it seems very compatible.
[01:08] <yakuzi> flammand (flemmish?) is dutch but a little diferent than used in The Netherlands
[01:08] <frank23> yakuzi: ok. flammand is the french name for it
[01:09] <yakuzi> well the site works normally ok, but i get too mutch crashes to be coincident
[01:09] <yakuzi> ;)
[01:09] <ign0ramus> yakuzi: wow... your news show nudity? Sarkozy's wife was hot!
[01:09] <Pici> !offtopic
[01:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:10] <ign0ramus> ... so yes, in my official kubuntu opinion, i do not see why the site would crash firefox.... ;)
[01:10] <frank23> yakuzi: all I can suggest is try firefox with a fresh profile (no extensions)
[01:11] <ign0ramus> ...or "firefox --safe-mode". same thing.
[01:11] <yakuzi> well for me it does...and i can't place it why (maybe the amount of flash), i also use adblock extentions by the way
[01:11] <ign0ramus> try safe mode
[01:12] <ign0ramus> hellhound: any progress?
[01:13] <hellhound> ok i just disabled knetwork manager and only using the wireless ssid and key in /etc/network/interfaces... and yet still the connection is very slow.... (currently have been waiting 20 minutes for the downloads in adept manager needed for updates
[01:17] <rom> I replaced the command '/home/rom/sh/sshfs-mount' by sh -c '/home/rom/sh/sshfs
[01:17] <rom> and it works
[01:17] <rom> even by the desktop link
[01:17] <rom> o_O
[01:21] <hellhound> does anyone have any other ideas about my internet speed?
[01:21] <xptical> hi all.  8.04 beta KDE4 user here.  can someone explain the "drivers" dialog box that pops up?  It pops at every boot and I click "enable" but the drivers continue to be disabled.  am I missing something?
[01:22] <yakuzi> hellhound: what if you switch the router to an other channel? maybe you have interference with other wireless networks
[01:23] <frank23> xptical: 8.04 chat is #ubuntu+1
[01:23] <xptical> even for kubuntu?
[01:23] <frank23> xptical: yeah
[01:23] <xptical> thanks, frank
[01:24] <hellhound> yakuzi: let me try that
[01:24] <Odd-rationale> xptical: Are you talking about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/196520
[01:24] <xptical> checking
[01:25] <draik> Is there a way for me to remote into a winXP desktop if they do not have access to IE (it keeps crashing on him)
[01:26] <sudobash> hahaha
[01:26] <sudobash> draik... from ubuntu?
[01:26] <xptical> Odd, no.  I have an ATI chipset on my laptop.  At the launch of KDE, it asks me to enable the drivers for the chipset.  I click "enable" and fglrx still does not activate.
[01:26] <sudobash> VNC... RDP
[01:26] <draik> sudobash: Yes.
[01:26] <draik> I have Kubuntu and he has winXP
[01:26] <Odd-rationale> xptical: oh. ok. dunno. sorry
[01:26] <sudobash> fglrx is not what you need for compiz or beryl
[01:27] <sudobash> i dont think
[01:27] <xptical> fglrx is the accelerated driver for ATI
[01:27] <draik> sudobash: RDP preferred
[01:27] <BluesKaj> usually onboard
[01:29] <sudobash> draik... VNC or KRDC
[01:29] <sudobash> KRDC probably
[01:29] <sudobash> is the best choice
[01:29] <guilhermeblanco> Hi guys... I tried a fresh Kubuntu 8.04 on my laptop. it worked well. I tried then to make an apt-get upgrade and after downloading all packages, it throughs me this error: http://pastebin.com/d44f40530
[01:29] <guilhermeblanco> Ah... 8.04 KDE 4
[01:29] <BluesKaj> I've heard of successful compiz installs on elcheapo ati graphics, but not sure if all the eye candy wizbang effects work.
[01:30] <guilhermeblanco> I had to translate the bug since it was a mix of portuguese and english in messages
[01:30] <guilhermeblanco> s/bug/issue/
[01:31] <hellhound> is there a way to reset my wireless card without having to reboot when I change channels in /etc/network/interfaces and the router?
[01:32] <frank23> hellhound: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   should do it I think
[01:38] <hellhound> frank23: yes that worked
[01:38] <frank23> hellhound: great
[01:38] <hellhound> and in fact my network soeed is now fixed after trying every channel... the last one was the best :)
[01:41] <rom> in fact the problem wasn't to add "sh -c", but it doesn't work if I enable "execute in a terminal"
[01:42] <guilhermeblanco> anyone can make an apt-get upgrade in 8.04 KDE4?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> guilhermeblanco,  i just did a update/upgrade - and noticed a few kde4 related packages.
[01:52] <Sukoshi> A quick question: How is the stability on Kubuntu 8.04 beta?
[01:52] <guilhermeblanco> Dr_willis: It appears to me 180 packages to be updatable and 3 to be installed... but when I try to run it, after download I always get this: http://pastebin.com/d78643617
[01:52] <guilhermeblanco> Sukoshi: install it and never upgrade packages... it's what I have
[01:52] <Pierro> Excuse = Sukoshi
[01:53] <guilhermeblanco> Sukoshi: also... do not try to enable Desktop effects... you'll experience your desktop become black and unrecoverable
[01:53] <Sukoshi> Oh.
[01:53] <guilhermeblanco> At least 8.04 Beta KDE 4
[01:53] <guilhermeblanco> the one I'm trying now
[01:53] <Sukoshi> Well, I wanted to try out some desktop effects (I come from a Fluxbox world), so maybe I should stick to Gutsy.
[01:53] <guilhermeblanco> Sukoshi: yes... that's the best option
[01:54] <sarlu|martalli> Dr_willis: does it do that evebn after a restart?
[01:57] <MurielGodoi> HI all, After a apt-get upgrade kaffeine, I can't play videos and dvds anymore. How can I roll it back?
[01:57] <MilitantPotato> !compiz
[01:57] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:58] <guilhermeblanco> Dr_willis: I got my upgrade after rebooting the system
[01:59] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. bye all.. good luck
[02:00] <jenkinsj> Linux Kubuntu-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:00] <jenkinsj> Linux Kubuntu-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:00] <jenkinsj> Linux Kubuntu-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:00] <jenkinsj> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu-laptop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R)Core2DuoCPUT7500@2.20GHz at 2201 MHz (4387 bogomips), , RAM: 641/2025MB, 120 proc's, 13.50min up
[02:02] <martalli|sarlu> jenkinsj: is trhere a command for producing that output, or is in in /proc?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> martalli|sarlu: /sysinfo
[02:03] <jenkinsj> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu-laptop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R)Core2DuoCPUT7500@2.20GHz at 2201 MHz (4387 bogomips), , RAM: 669/2025MB, 122 proc's, 16.24min up
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> nice CPU :)
[02:03] <martalli|sarlu> nosrednaekim: lol could it be easier =)
[02:04] <vincent> hello, everybody. I want to know how to configure scim with shell. thank you.
[02:05] <vincent> hello, everybody. I want to know how to configure scim with shell. thank you.
[02:05] <vincent> hello, everybody. I want to know how to configure scim with shell. thank you.
[02:06] <MurielGodoi> HI all, I can't play videos and dvds anymore after an apt-get upgrade kaffeine. How can I roll it back?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: hrm... search launchpad for that bug... I think there is a workaround on there
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> !java
[02:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:09] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: There is a launchpad for kubuntu or it is the same launchpad that ubuntu?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: same one
[02:15] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: I found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/196522. Therefore, there is no workarounds there... :(
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: hrm...
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> not good
[02:19] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: Is there a way to force the kaffeine-xine install... I already tried apt-get -f install, but no success.
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: ah... disable the backports repository, and uninstall kaffeine.... then try reinstalling it
[02:25] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: Perfect! That solved my problem. Thanks a lot guy :)
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: great
[02:28] <max_> ciao a tutti
[02:34] <taninomax> ciao a tutti
[03:08] <intelikey> where_is_me   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d59d316c6
[03:30] <mot_> hi
[03:30] <mot_> i installed libdvdread and libdvdnav and still can't play dvds in kaffeine
[03:30] <mot_> it tells me that the source cannot be read
[03:30] <mot_> what other packages am i missing?
[03:31] <_2> !dvd
[03:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:31] <dennister> any accountants in here who've ever used sql-ledger??
[03:48] <asobi> is there a kubuntu equivalent for hjsplit?
[03:48] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[04:33] <leo_rockw> hello
[04:33] <leo_rockw> i know #ubuntu+1 is the hardy channel. but i would like to know if anybody here is on hardy right now. i would like to get people to volunteer to try to reproduce a bug.
[04:35] <leo_rockw> on hardy, whenever i push the media key on my keyboard kmilo crashes. if anyone is experiencing anything like it, please report it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/205534
[04:42] <nitin_> hello
[04:42] <leo_rockw> hello nitin o/
[04:43] <nitin_> i was trying to set my nickname
[04:43] <leo_rockw> nitin /nick newnickname
[04:43] <nitin_> nitin /nick nniroula
[04:44] <leo_rockw> nitin_: don't write your nickname first
[04:44] <leo_rockw> nitin_: just /nick nniroula
[04:45] <nniroula> thanks
[04:45] <leo_rockw> nniroula: np
[04:46] <nniroula> how do i connect to kubuntu-offtopic channel
[04:47] <leo_rockw> nniroula: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:47] <leo_rockw> nniroula: remember that google is your friend too
[04:50] <TeslaTony> "Diamonds are a girls best friend, a dog is a boys best friend, and Google is a mans best friend"
[04:50] <leo_rockw> TeslaTony: i told that to balmer and he punched me in the face...
[04:51] <leo_rockw> ballmer, that is
[04:53] <TeslaTony> Did he do a monkeydance on you afterwards?
[04:54] <leo_rockw> TeslaTony: he said "developers" * 3
[04:55] <TeslaTony> Groovy...
[04:56] <TeslaTony> In other news, I was told "/etc/init.d/network restart" would restart my network connection, but the command coughs back a "directory not found" message
[04:58] <leo_rockw> TeslaTony: it doesn't even tell you which directory it is it can't find?
[05:00] <TeslaTony> "bash: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory"
[05:01] <TeslaTony> Nevermind
[05:01] <TeslaTony> Debian-based OS's use bash: /etc/init.d/networkING
[05:02] <leo_rockw> TeslaTony: use tab for autocompletion
[05:03] <TeslaTony> Never knew the shell had an autocomplete function...
[05:03] <leo_rockw> TeslaTony: that changes __everything__ (i try to autocomplete my thoughts in irc now lol)
[05:09] <funda> what's the easiest way to switch from 32-bit to 64-bit using the same partition? can i use the install disk to install to the existing partition, or can i tell apt to somehow get 64-bit binaries and switch to a 64-bit kernel...
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> you have to reinstall
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's no other way to do it
[05:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> you can use the same partition, but it will be formatted, so back up what you need
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> and if you're using less than 4gb ram, stick with 43-bit anyway
[05:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless you really hate flash and java, of course.
[05:11] <funda> will it be formatted? can't it just overwrite stuff whatever it needs on the existing partition?
[05:12] <TeslaTony> funda: too much needs to be replaced to do it piecemeal
[05:12] <funda> i had 2gb, now i have 8gb
[05:12] <funda> of ram
[05:13] <funda> i'm going to backup my home, but i've spent a lot of time configuring apache, mythtv, ejabberd, etc.. that i want to keep
[05:14] <leo_rockw> funda: if you have your ~ in a different partition it eases the pain.
[05:14] <leo_rockw> funda: if you didn't do that the first time, put your home in a different partition this time
[05:15] <funda> it is on a different partition, but the apache configuration is all in /etc
[05:16] <funda> will the installer format the partition? i can tell it not to right?
[05:16] <funda> that is all i need
[05:16] <leo_rockw> funda: yeah, but you can backup /etc/apache2 in your home
[05:16] <leo_rockw> funda: i'm not 100% sure, but i think it shouldn't touch your home
[05:17] <ubuntu> hello everybody
[05:18] <ubuntu> i had one question
[05:18] <ubuntu> how to install oracle 10g on kubuntu
[05:18] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[05:19] <jmichaelx> this room is not as active as it used to be
[05:19] <hydrogen_> amazing how that happens at 1:20 in the morning
[05:34] <ubuntu> hello
[05:53] <artfullylost> blue720
[05:53] <artfullylost> ****
[05:55] <Erickj92> what is the package name for GNOME dock?
[06:04] <mkquist> Erickj92: id say u might wanna ask in #ubuntu
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> there's no gnome dock
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you may be talking about avant window navigator
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> which isn't in default repos
[06:05] <ere4si> open adept and do a search for   dock   there are a few Erickj92
[06:06] <_maw> I just installed kubuntu 7.10 and everything in the system menu looks like "_: Entries in K-menu: "
[06:06] <_maw> anyone seen this before?
[06:06] <_maw> the livecd didnt have that issue
[06:07] <ere4si> nope - never seen that ^|^
[06:08] <_maw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/135084
[06:08] <Jucato>  _maw: I recall that as an old bug. try updating your system
[06:08] <_maw> this is the same problem
[06:08] <_maw> ya Jucato it seems to be according to that article
[06:09] <_maw> well.... I ran the adept updater and it crashed half way through and I couldnt boot the system anymore
[06:09] <_maw> I just completed a fresh install and am updating now..
[06:09] <Jucato> :/
[06:11] <Erickj92> Daisuke_Ido, are you sure there is no gnome dock?
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> there's avant window navigator, which is probably what you're thinking of
[06:12] <Erickj92> no
[06:12] <Jucato> Erickj92: official GNOME dock? no. it only has panels
[06:12] <Erickj92> hrm
[06:13] <Erickj92> im reading this guide and they speak of the gnome dock. i would use AWN, but the package im getting from who knows where apears to be broke
[06:13] <Jucato> GNOME doesn't come with a OS X-type dock by default. it only comes w/ 2 panels (top and bottom)
[06:13] <Jucato> what guide?
[06:13] <Erickj92> http://www.taimila.com/?q=node/11
[06:13] <Erickj92> a little ways down
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Gnome-dock (which is actually a techology demo)
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't exist
[06:14] <Erickj92> ahhh
[06:14] <Erickj92> how do i get AWN to work?
[06:14] <_maw> Erickj92: are you looking for the bling of the apple desktops?
[06:15] <Erickj92> right now launchers to add to it, and there is a white like coming out of it
[06:15] <Daisuke_Ido> my first instinct is to say "get a mac"
[06:15] <Erickj92> _maw, would like to duplicate it
[06:15] <_maw> check out compiz-fusion
[06:15] <_maw> or compiz
[06:15] <Jucato> !awn
[06:15] <Erickj92> i havei t
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <Jucato> nope, no info :P
[06:15] <Erickj92> i have compiz
[06:15] <_maw> !compiz
[06:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:15] <_maw> there you go :P
[06:16] <_maw> I just had to running on freeBSD7.0
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> https://launchpad.net/awn/+packages
[06:16] <Erickj92> i need a good dock though
[06:16] <_maw> but formated to try kubuntu
[06:16] <Erickj92> ahh thanks Daisuke_Ido
[06:16] <Erickj92> _maw, i have the GNOME desktop installed
[06:16] <_maw> o... maybe you should try #ubuntu then :P
[06:17]  * Jucato had a funny experience with Ubuntu today :P
[06:17] <_maw> o?
[06:17] <Erickj92> _maw, you seem to have a problem with me being in here?
[06:17] <Erickj92> i do run Kubuntu
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> _maw, i use gnome too.  i come here for the people :)
[06:17] <Jucato> aw...
[06:18]  * Jucato is flattened
[06:18] <Jucato> er.. flattered
[06:18] <_maw> lol no Erickj92
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> you calling me fat?
[06:18] <Jucato> Erickj92: no problem with you beomg here. the problem is when you ask about Ubuntu/GNOME stuff...
[06:18] <Jucato> :P
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that and most problems i run into aren't DE-specific, so i can ask either place :)
[06:18] <_maw> I only mentioned that as that channel might be more familiar as they use gnome
[06:18] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: how should I know!!
[06:18] <Erickj92> _maw, truth is i cant get in because of my connection :/
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you just said i flattened you! :D
[06:19] <dek> a friend of mine has just installed Ubuntu, and when executing pppoeconf command to configure his ADSL (which works fine from Windows on the same PC) he gets the following message: "Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s), but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not erspond. Please check the network card and modem cables.". Any idea?
[06:19] <_maw> your connection stops you from typing /j #ubuntu ?
[06:19] <Erickj92> _maw, its with my router
[06:19] <Erickj92> that DCC thing?
[06:19] <Jucato> !dsl
[06:19] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> wha... huh?
[06:19] <Jucato> dek: ^^^^
[06:19] <_maw> Jucato: 99% done downloading updates... installing now
[06:20] <_maw> well "preparing"
[06:20] <Jucato> _maw: have fun. it's quite a lot
[06:20] <_maw> I dont care if it takes all night
[06:20]  * Jucato slept through it
[06:20] <_maw> just dont know why it crash and burned
[06:20] <Jucato> nah not that long :)
[06:20] <Jucato> adept is like that sometimes
[06:20] <Jucato> ok most of the time :)
[06:20] <_maw> I see
[06:20] <_maw> should I use a more low level tool?
[06:20] <_maw> aptitude maybe?
[06:21] <Daisuke_Ido> synaptic
[06:21] <Jucato> your choice. you can even use... Synaptic :)
[06:21] <Jucato> or kpackage.. whatever floats your boat
[06:21] <_maw> ok I will keep that in mind
[06:21] <dek> Jucato: my friend seems to get the error in step 1 of the DSL config guide
[06:21] <_maw> adept was the program telling me to do 180 updates
[06:21] <_maw> so I clicked "go"
[06:21] <_maw> weeeeeeee
[06:21] <Daisuke_Ido> if you require a gui, avoid the satanic mess of fallen souls that is adept.
[06:21] <Jucato> dek: hm... I'm a bit rusty on my PPPoE... sorry
[06:22] <_maw> if I didnt want a gui I would run freebsd :|
[06:22] <Jucato> (I was lucky enough that it just worked)
[06:22] <Jucato> eddieftw!!!
[06:22] <dek> ok :P
[06:22] <Justin1990> hey leute
[06:22] <Justin1990> ich hab übelst das problem...
[06:22] <Jucato> !e
[06:22] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[06:22] <Jucato> !de | Justin1990
[06:22] <ubotu> Justin1990: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:22] <Justin1990> whoops sry thought this was german
[06:22] <Jucato> stupid enter key :P
[06:23] <eddieftw> hi Jucato :p
[06:23] <eddieftw> up all night writing a paper, i figure i might try to be helpful tonight and pop in here
[06:24] <Jucato> good :)
[06:24]  * Jucato wishes eddieftw had more all-nighter papers then :)
[06:24] <_maw> can you write me a script that logically copies oracle archive logs to a standby server and then applies them? Of course with amazing error checking too
[06:25] <_maw> ah ha!
[06:25] <_maw> it broke again
[06:25] <Jucato> maybe #oracle ?
[06:25] <_maw> Jucato: I can do the script :P
[06:25] <_maw> I was kidding he said he wanted to be helpful
[06:25] <Jucato> ah
[06:25] <Jucato> ok heheh
[06:26] <_maw> "there was an error commiting changes. possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"
[06:26] <_maw> on libqt3-mt... (can't see rest of it)
[06:26] <Jucato> time to use apt or aptitude :)
[06:26] <eddieftw> i dont even know where to start with that one...
[06:27] <_maw> in the gui what options are there?
[06:28] <Erickj92> so no one can help me with the issues of AWN not working with launchers, and there being a white like juting from it?
[06:28] <Jucato> _maw: options for what?
[06:29] <Jucato> Erickj92: not unless you find a fellow AWN user in here... I'd have to say, no
[06:29] <_maw> sorry, I meant before I run "aptitude" from shell
[06:29] <_maw> is there another gui program I can try?
[06:29] <_maw> or is adept it?
[06:29] <Jucato> Syanptic or KPackage
[06:29] <Erickj92> Jucato, is that also for the #ubuntu channel?
[06:29] <Jucato> probably Synaptic
[06:29] <_maw> where can I find the launcher for that?
[06:29] <Jucato> Erickj92: not sure. there is probably a greater probability of finding an AWN user in there than in here
[06:30] <Erickj92> i see
[06:30] <Jucato> _maw: you have to install it first :)
[06:30] <Jucato> _maw: but if you want to get through your updates *now*: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:30] <_maw> I went into aptitude and hit "u"
[06:30] <_maw> seems to be doing the same thing?
[06:31] <Jucato> maybe
[06:31] <Jucato> not familiar with aptitude's text-based interface
[06:31] <_maw> k
[06:31] <_maw> I will just poke around
[06:32] <_maw> just curious, when I think I am done is there a way to check the integrity of all packages and the system?
[06:32] <_maw> other then dmesg and /var/log/messages
[06:32] <Jucato> it's done automatically by APT afaik
[06:32] <_maw> ok
[06:38] <Sukoshi> A question: Can cfdisk in the Kubuntu live CD be used to resize Vista's partition safely?
[06:39] <firecrotch> Sukoshi: Nope
[06:39] <eddieftw> depends on the problem with vista
[06:39] <eddieftw> just to resize? you can use a partition manager to resize. if there are not other issues with the ntfs, afaik
[06:39] <firecrotch> eddieftw:  Not with the new version of NTFS in Vista
[06:40] <eddieftw> oh really?! maybe that's why ive been having trouble when people want help with that OS'
[06:40] <Sukoshi> Ah, so I was suspecting.
[06:40] <Sukoshi> So I'm limited to Vista's 1/2 HDD resize limit?
[06:41] <firecrotch> Sukoshi:  I wasnt aware that there was such a restriction in vista
[06:42] <Sukoshi> firecrotch: Oh, that's the saying I've been hearing crop up over the forum posts I've been reading.
[06:42] <Sukoshi> But I guess if there's no other choice, Vista's partition manager it is.
[06:43] <firecrotch> if I recall correctly, I was able to make it any size I wanted
[06:49] <_maw> man, when adept fails it really owns the OS
[06:49] <_maw> the boot loader is gone and I cant even get to the OS
[06:49] <emilsedgh> !adeptfix
[06:49] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[06:50] <Jucato> _maw: that shouldn't affect the os though
[06:50] <Jucato> at least not directly..
[06:50] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i really cant wait for KDE4 version of adept...
[06:50] <Jucato> emilsedgh: you can help test it. I think mornfall would be interested :)
[06:51] <Jucato> (depending on his mood I guess...)
[06:51] <emilsedgh> ok, i will test it soon
[06:53] <_maw> ugh, the package managers think everything is updated, but infact the process never completed before
[06:53] <Jucato> _maw: see the tip from ubotu
[06:54] <_maw> kk
[06:56] <tomahasamoot> I've just installed Kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64... apt-get update isn't working, and adept manager isn't working
[06:57] <_maw> that didnt help, it thinks all packages are up to date
[06:57] <_maw> o well
[06:57] <_maw> I will figure it out, thanks though
[06:59] <tomahasamoot> x is also messed up, there's no real driver for nVidia, and the fake one crashes on logout
[06:59] <tomahasamoot> w/out apt, I can't even install firefox!
[07:00] <_maw> sure you can... compile it :)
[07:00] <tomahasamoot> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another sourceE: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[07:01] <tomahasamoot> I'd rather not get into compiling stuff that doesn't need to be compiled... I'd rather get apt working
[07:05] <tomahasamoot> apt-get update is starting to work now
[07:06] <Jucato> _maw: why do you think packages are *not* up to date? (after running those commands)
[07:11] <firecrotch> What stupid setting is it in Compiz that doesn't allow me to change certain options in ccsm ?
[07:11] <firecrotch> or in KDE
[07:12] <firecrotch> I'm talking about the settings that are in blue text instead of normal text.
[07:12] <Jucato> #compiz-fusion perhaps?
[07:12] <tomahasamoot> why don't they learn from the bug reports?  8.04 has the same bug that was reported in 7.10--and that I reported a fix for!
[07:13] <Jucato> hm?
[07:13] <Jucato> link?
[07:13] <tomahasamoot> give me a min.
[07:17] <tomahasamoot> this bug goes back to "feisty" (whatever that means?--what's wrong w/ version numbers)  and it's still not fixed... here's the link:
[07:17] <tomahasamoot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/86666
[07:17] <Jucato> feisty is 7.04
[07:18] <tomahasamoot> Jucato:  I see, thanks... started using kubuntu at 7.10, so I don't know older names
[07:18] <Jucato> wow long report..
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... I'm not sure but maybe #ubuntu-devel people will be more knowledgeable about this, since it's a USplash bug
[07:21] <tomahasamoot> my entry is near the bottom, some others have reported that my fix worked for them as well
[07:36] <nick_> how i put my hotmail mail in kmail ?
[07:37] <emilsedgh> nick_: hotmail gives pop3 or imap service?
[07:37] <Sir_Corgi> If you pay.
[07:37] <nick_> pop3 i think not sure
[07:37] <Sir_Corgi> They do, but it's no longer free.
[07:37] <Sir_Corgi> It used to be.
[07:38] <Sir_Corgi> Same thing with Yahoo!.
[07:38] <nick_> because i wanna know when i got message in hotmail whit kubuntu
[07:38] <nick_> with
[07:40] <nick_> how can i do ?
[07:43] <Sir_Corgi> Can't you just use Firefox or Konquerer?
[07:43] <nick_> konqueror
[07:43] <nick_> maybe dunnio
[07:46] <joao> joao
[07:46] <tomahasamoot> gmail gives pop3 and imap for free
[07:46] <joao> joao
[07:46] <nick_> o so i can use gmail ?
[07:46] <tomahasamoot> ... it also doesn't plaster ads on your messages
[07:47] <tomahasamoot> nick_: yes, I use gmail, it works w/ kontact, and firefox
[07:47] <xptical> anyone gotten a Creative Xi-Fi to work?
[07:47] <tomahasamoot> ...but not knoq.
[07:47] <tomahasamoot> xptical: last I heard was a no-go
[07:47] <xptical> kk
[07:48] <tomahasamoot> xptical: they said we're coming out w/ a driver... a couple years ago, still waiting--last I heard, but you can always check their website... maybe it's come?
[07:49] <reldruh> hello. I'm trying to compile the domino window decoration and and I get an error during the configure step. It keeps saying "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" I tried installing libx11-dev, but it still says the same thing, can anybody tell me what the right pacakge is to install?
[07:51] <xptical> anyone else hate KDE4?
[07:51] <xptical> like having to click shutdown twice?
[07:52] <reldruh> xptical: I love it. There are some annoying quirks like that, but I start to get annoyed at KDE3 now 'cause of stuff it doesn't have that 4 does
[07:53] <xptical> such as?
[07:54] <reldruh> get hot new stuff being used everywhere
[07:54] <reldruh> I can download color schemes so easily now
[07:54] <xptical> that's kinda cool
[07:54] <reldruh> how great my panel looks
[07:54] <reldruh> again, with get hot new stuff
[07:54]  * jussi01 points out kde4 discussion is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[07:54] <reldruh> I downloaded slim-glow
 anyone know how to install a kdm theme that has a conf.xml, 2 .desktop files and an image?
 the kdm theme install is looking for some other type of file that didnt come with the theme i guess
[07:56] <xptical> dumb question:  how do I install a DEB file?  It's dpkg -i right?
[07:56] <Darkrift2> yes
[07:56] <jussi01> xptical: yes, or double click
[07:56] <tomahasamoot> xptical: I've also had trouble w/ kde4... it's never worked for me
[07:56] <reldruh> are you guys using the packages or compiling it?
[07:56] <xptical> double click?  Linux is too easy now
[07:57] <jussi01> :)
[07:57] <Darkrift2> kde4 didnt go to well with me
[07:57] <Darkrift2> i ditched it for kde3 again
[07:57] <xptical> I even have 3d acceleration without having to rebuild my kernel
[07:57] <jussi01> Ok, please! Kde4 discussion in #kubuntu-kde4 Thanks!
[07:58] <tomahasamoot> what happened to the nVidia drivers?  They don't seem to be in 8.04 anymore
[07:58] <Darkrift2> erm
[07:59] <Sir_Corgi> You tell 'em, Jussi!
[07:59] <Darkrift2> there wasnt discussion, just agreement
[07:59] <Sir_Corgi> lol
[08:00] <xptical> alrighty, rebooting to check if my XiFi works...
[08:08] <xptical> I have sound now!
[08:08] <jussi01> !yay | xptical
[08:08] <ubotu> xptical: Glad you made it! :-)
[08:09] <xptical> still no kmix.  KDE sounds are still a no-go
[08:09] <jussi01> xptical: which sound card?
[08:09] <xptical> hold that...KDE sounds work.  Just no KMIX
[08:09] <xptical> Xi-Fi
[08:09] <jussi01> xptical: tried starting kmix?
[08:10] <xptical> I clicked the icon.
[08:10] <jussi01> can you show me the lspci entry for your card?
[08:10] <tomahasamoot> xptical: how did you get it to work?  OSS?
[08:11] <xptical> 01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[08:11] <xptical>         Subsystem: Creative Labs Unknown device 0031
[08:11] <xptical>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 23
[08:11] <xptical>         I/O ports at df00 [size=32]
[08:11] <xptical>         Memory at dfc00000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M]
[08:11] <xptical>         Memory at d8000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64M]
[08:11] <xptical>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[08:11] <xptical> yes
[08:11] <xptical> OSS driver
[08:12] <Jucato> !paste | xptical
[08:12] <ubotu> xptical: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:12] <xptical> sorry
[08:12] <xptical> brb
[08:13] <xptical> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61329/
[08:13] <xptical> Try that
[08:14] <tomahasamoot> ubotu: please don't flood the channel with don't flood the channel messages ;-)
[08:14] <Jucato> tomahasamoot: hm?
[08:15] <tomahasamoot> Jucato: I'm just teasing
[08:15] <Jucato> you're lucky that didn't go into the -ops channel... then you would have looked very amusing :)
[08:15] <xptical> To get it to work, I ran this:
[08:15] <xptical> sudo apt-get install build-essential libesd0 esound oss-compat
[08:15] <tomahasamoot> what's the -ops channel?
[08:16] <xptical> and then installed the DEB from here:
[08:16] <xptical> http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
[08:16] <xptical> So I guess i'm doing the OSS thing now
[08:17] <tomahasamoot> that's good, I've heard that OSS is better than ALSA, but in the past some of it wasn't open source... so ALSA won by deflaut
[08:17] <xptical> damned hippies...
[08:17] <xptical> :)
[08:18] <xptical> funny...glxgears is missing
[08:18] <xptical> figured it'd install with the nvidia drivers
[08:18] <tomahasamoot> OSS is easy to change the sound card too, just re-link /dev/sound(?)
[08:18] <tomahasamoot> snd?
[08:19] <tuxwulf> Is there a place I can see which fonts I have installed?
[08:20] <nick_> where i can find c ++
[08:20] <Jucato> nick_: install "build-essentials" package
[08:20] <Jucato> tuxwulf: System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer or fonts:/ in Konqueror
[08:20] <nick_> Jucato: where ?
[08:21] <Jucato> nick_: from Adept Manager or using apt-get
[08:21] <Darkrift2> nick_,  sudo apt-get install build-essentials (it might not have an s at the end)
[08:22] <Jucato> er.. sorry. no 's'
[08:22] <Jucato> it's "build-essential"
[08:22] <Darkrift2> i always get it wrong
[08:22] <nick_> ok good
[08:23] <Jucato> I got it wrong now :(
[08:23] <devilsadvocate_> erm, how can i uninstall kde4 ? O:)
[08:23] <xptical> with kubuntu 8.04, what is the best choice of a pretty desktop?  Compiz?
[08:23] <Darkrift2> i always use an s, and hwne it fails i try without and tell myself "next time remember, NO S" but i never remember
[08:24] <xptical> or Beryl?
[08:24] <Darkrift2> erm
[08:24] <Jucato> devilsadvocate_: #kubuntu-kde4 please (but as a clue, just remove the kde4 packages)
[08:24] <Darkrift2> didnt they merge?
[08:24] <xptical> i think so
[08:24] <Jucato> xptical: Beryl basically doesn't exist anymore as Beryl
[08:24] <Jucato> !compiz | xptical
[08:24] <ubotu> xptical: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:25] <Darkrift2> i liked it, but it got old.... stuck with plain old kde after a while
[08:25] <Darkrift2> was cool to show off to friends though
[08:25] <Darkrift2> "whoa, your window just flopped and wobbled" lol
[08:25] <devilsadvocate_> wrting fire on the sceen is fun too :D
[08:25] <Darkrift2> lol
[08:26] <tuxwulf> Jucato: Thanks...
[08:26] <xptical> is there a shortcut to launch a terminal?
[08:26] <Darkrift2> the one thing i DID like was the cube
[08:26] <tomahasamoot> Darkrift2: yea, same here... it's cool, but there's already enough things to go wrong w/out adding another layer of bugs on top
[08:26] <Darkrift2> xptical, make one :)
[08:26] <xptical> yeah
[08:26] <xptical> i guess so
[08:26] <devilsadvocate_> xptical, look at yakuake
[08:26] <Darkrift2> i just set win+e to open dolphin (yes, long time windows user)
[08:27] <xptical> too easy
[08:28] <xptical> now, why didn't glxgears install when I enabled the nvidia card?
[08:28] <Darkrift2> i wish i could figure out how to set win+r to open the run dialog :S
[08:28] <xptical> isn't that alt+f2?
[08:28] <devilsadvocate_> xptical, i think glxgears is in a serpate package .. some -tools
[08:28] <Jucato> Darkrift2: change it :)
[08:28] <Darkrift2> yes but im used to certain shortcuts, so win+r is always what i try first
[08:28] <Darkrift2> how?
[08:28] <Darkrift2> run isint in the menu
[08:28] <Jucato> devilsadvocate_, xptical: mesa-tools or something
[08:29] <asobi> is there a way to have kaffeine default to playlist instead of "home" upon start?
[08:29] <Darkrift2> thats how i edited the dolphin one :S
[08:29] <Jucato> Darkrift2: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:29] <xptical> yep.  mesa-utils
[08:29] <xptical> why is compiz installing a bunch of gnome crap?
[08:30] <Jucato> xptical: not gnome crap, but most probably gtk stuff
[08:30] <xptical> we should take off and nuke gnome from orbit.  it's the only way to be sure
[08:31] <Jucato> although I won't be surprised if some gnomelibs would be there too... Compiz was heavily GTK-leaning...
[08:31] <Darkrift2> nice, ty Jucato
[08:36] <asobi> is there a way to have kaffeine default to playlist instead of "home" upon start?
[08:36] <xptical> crap...I need Flash.
[08:37] <jussi01> !flash | xptical
[08:37] <ubotu> xptical: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:37] <xptical> lemme guess:  apt-get install flash?
[08:37] <jussi01> xptical: flashplugin-nonfree
[08:40] <emilsedgh> anyone knows the status of gnash? is knash ported to kde4?
[08:41] <eddieftw> !gnash | eddieftw
[08:42] <Darkrift2> hrmmm
[08:43] <Darkrift2> i just installed flash, but its telling me i either dont have it installed or i have an old version installed :S
[08:43] <Darkrift2> used the website from above to install
[08:43] <TeslaTony> Do you have 64 bit Ubuntu or 32 bit?
[08:44] <Darkrift2> 32
[08:44] <Darkrift2> lemme try a restart of firefox again
[08:44] <TeslaTony> You might also look at uninstalling/reinstalling through Synaptic
[08:44] <Darkrift2> works
[08:46] <Darkrift2> ok, how do i add something to auto run when x starts?
[08:47] <xptical> sorry about that.  needed to restart to get it to work
[08:47] <Darkrift2> damn, i forgot i still dont have working sound
[08:47] <xptical> and, guess what?  no sound in flash in firefox
[08:47] <Darkrift2> heh
[08:51] <jussi01> xptical: yeah, there is a way to fix that, hrmm, Just wish I could remember it.
[08:54] <xptical> be back in a bit
[09:00] <devilsadvocate_> jussi01, flash 9?
[09:11] <kuil> hi all.. anybody here using hardy with an intel/i810 card?
[09:12] <jussi01> kuil: hardy support in #ubuntu+1 :)
[09:12] <kuil> so I need another channel? thx
[09:16] <jussi01> !autostart | tuxwulf
[09:16] <ubotu> tuxwulf: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:38] <kaminix> Hi, I'm looking for the debuging files in order to send in a konqueror bug-report, which ones do I need?
[09:50] <kaminix> nevermind, found it.
[10:08] <benjamin> fg
[10:18] <eddieftw> well, it seems to have gotten more quiet in here...
[10:19] <Jucato> good sign. no one has problems :)
[10:19] <Jucato> more time for me to dilly dally and drool
[10:19] <eddieftw> give it a month. this place is going to EXPLODE
[10:19] <eddieftw> Jucato: up all night reading and writing papers i tell you. can't wait until schools offer a degree in kubuntu...
[10:20] <Jucato> or Linux in general :)
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> Umm.... yeah.... I started up Kubuntu and it flipped me off, and then it exploded and killed a cat I don't own.
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> Any help?
[10:21] <eddieftw> Sir_Corgi: it's pronounced Vi-sta
[10:21] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: sorry. you'll have to buy a new cat on your own :)
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> Aww, shucks.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> Eddie's response was funnier.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> Sorry. :p
[10:23] <eddieftw> Jucato will give you a cat
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> Thanks... but no thanks.
[10:24] <Jucato> I don't even own one myself
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> I was actually happy when the flaming laptop took out the feline.
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> It was quite a sight.
[10:29] <Sir_Corgi> I might actually... download an episode of Monk... from... Amazon.com
[11:06] <riadh> hi
[11:07] <eddieftw> hi riadh
[11:07] <riadh> i m new eddi
[11:07] <trytryry> bI
[11:08] <trytryry> Есть здесь кто-нибудь кто по русски говорит?
[11:08] <trytryry> Нужна помощь
[11:08] <lxuser> hi
[11:08] <trytryry> hi
[11:08] <trytryry> You speak russian?
[11:09] <Sir_Corgi> !ru
[11:09] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[11:09] <trytryry> oO
[11:09] <lxuser> which package do i need to install to ge kernel that supports 6Gb of memory on 32bit kubuntu 7.10
[11:09] <lxuser> s/ge/get
[11:09] <trytryry> А у сайта есть irc?
[11:09] <riadh> alllo eddiefth
[11:10] <llutz> lxuser: you'll need a 64bit-system
[11:10] <Sir_Corgi> Да.  Click on #ubuntu-ru
[11:10] <lxuser> shit
[11:10] <eddieftw> yup im here, just reading a book riadh
[11:10] <riadh> you can cam in private
[11:10] <wolfspfote> hi there...I have a serious problem with my sound on kubuntu
[11:10] <trytryry> Какой еще клик?lol У меня Opera AC как зайти на  их irc
[11:11] <wolfspfote> I have a realtek onboard chipset which runs fine
[11:11] <wolfspfote> but I also have a Creative Audigy 2 ZS platinum pro (with breakout box)
[11:11] <trytryry> ауу
[11:11] <wolfspfote> the creative wont load on system startup
[11:12] <wolfspfote> its even not listed if I do a lspci
[11:12] <Sir_Corgi> Trytrytry: извените, пожалуйста, я не говорю по-русски очень хорошо
[11:12] <eddieftw> wolfspfote: asfarasiknow the creative isnt supported very well under ubuntu or linux in general
[11:12] <wolfspfote> ohh sorry....ok its listed when I do a lspci
[11:12] <Sir_Corgi> Trytrytry:  клик на #ubuntu-ru это irc
[11:13] <eddieftw> i could be wrong, i haven't slep in quite a while
[11:13] <wolfspfote> ohh, I specially bought the audigy 2 zs because it should run out of the box
[11:13] <riadh> alllo eddieftw you can come in private???
[11:13] <wolfspfote> the interesting thing is I hat ubuntu installed for a while and it was running fine
[11:13] <eddieftw> wolfspfote: :/ im not sure. again, i haven't slept in a while
[11:13] <Sir_Corgi> #ubuntu-ru  это irc для людей, которие говорят по-русски
[11:14] <trytryry> Бля Я первый раз использую irc
[11:14] <wolfspfote> but now I am running kubuntu...and at first it worked properly...but since two weeks it only starts up every third boot sometimes I need more or less
[11:14] <Sir_Corgi> Damn.  I don't know the verb for "to click"
[11:15] <trytryry> Она в списке комнат есть?
[11:15] <Sir_Corgi> Да, я думаю.
[11:16] <LilSarge> english
[11:16] <Sir_Corgi> Я не знаю если я говорю правилно, но нажайте (sp?) на #ubuntu-ru
[11:16] <Sir_Corgi> They don't speak english.  I'm trying to direct them to the right room.
[11:16] <LilSarge> aight
[11:16] <Sir_Corgi> Appearently, they don't know how to use irc
[11:17] <trytryry> Тваю...
[11:17] <trytryry> #ubuntu-ru
[11:17] <trytryry> Она даже некак неподсвечиваетться
[11:18] <trytryry> Как на нее нажать? lol
[11:18] <wolfspfote> trytryry: -----> #ubuntu-ru
[11:18] <wolfspfote> =)
[11:18] <trytryry> Смешно
[11:18] <riadh> hi
[11:18] <pag> trytryry, type /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:18] <Sir_Corgi> He/she doesn't know what to do.
[11:18] <trytryry> I use Opera AC
[11:18] <trytryry> lol
[11:18] <Sir_Corgi> They are in Opera AC and don't know how to use IRC.
[11:18] <trytryry>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:19] <trytryry>  type /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:19] <trytryry> =(
[11:19] <Sir_Corgi> минуточку, пожалуйста
[11:20] <lg188> hello my belkin wirreless G desktop card is not working on my kubuntu
[11:20] <lg188> dapper
[11:21] <lg188> los gehen !
[11:21] <wolfspfote> присоединяться к правильному каналу: двойной щелчок #ubuntu-ru
[11:21] <trytryry> Все я нашел комнату
[11:21] <lg188> !ru | wolfspfote
[11:21] <ubotu> wolfspfote: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[11:21] <trytryry> В Опере не подсвечиваеться
[11:21] <trytryry> bb америкосы
[11:22] <lg188> !ru | trytryry
[11:22] <ubotu> trytryry: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[11:22] <Sir_Corgi> Трудно помочь вам, потому что я говорю по-русски очень плохо (Я американец), и я не знаю как изпользовать Opera AC.
[11:22] <lg188> wtf ur al talking rusian ???
[11:22] <trytryry> lol
[11:22] <trytryry> secret
[11:22] <Sir_Corgi> lg188:  I am trying to help him/her.  They speak Russian, and I am trying to direct them to the RUssian help room.
[11:22] <wolfspfote> lg188: I dont want to get russian help...actually I try to help =)
[11:23] <Sir_Corgi> But they use Opera AC.
[11:23] <lg188> ahhh
[11:23] <Sir_Corgi> I am trying my best to help them with my limited Russian skills to get them where they need to go.
[11:23] <lg188> kk i  tought my client was getting wierd
[11:23] <lg188> kk
[11:23] <Sir_Corgi> And apparently Opera AC is a Russian program.
[11:23] <Sir_Corgi> Aw.
[11:23] <Sir_Corgi> They left.
[11:24] <lg188> kk
[11:24] <lg188> need help also
[11:24] <lg188> wirrles g desktop card is nto working
[11:24] <Sir_Corgi> Dang it.  I hope they get where they need to go.
[11:25] <lg188> ^^
[11:27] <lg188> but i my inet is not working >:|
[11:27] <bentob0x> what can I use to fax something on KDE?
[11:28] <lg188> 0.o
[11:28] <lg188> do you have dualboot ?
[11:29] <wolfspfote> lg188: what card do you have?
[11:29] <kmaxtor> hello
[11:29] <lg188> belkin wireless G Desktop Card
[11:29] <kmaxtor> linux kubuntu can to do broadcast via live streaming>
[11:31] <lg188> wolfspfote: belkin wireless G Desktop Card
[11:31] <wolfspfote> Belkin Wireless G Desktop Card F5D7000 ?
[11:32] <kmaxtor> video live streaming?
[11:32] <lg188> wolfspfote: F5D7000df
[11:33] <lg188> wolfspfote: any idea what could be the problem ??
[11:35] <wolfspfote> hmm...google says it has a broadcom chipset and madwifi says that the "F5D7000" has a ralink
[11:35] <wolfspfote> the F5D7000df isnt listed within madwifi
[11:35] <star> hi
[11:35] <lg188> madwifi ?
[11:36] <star> what about it
[11:36] <wolfspfote> if you have the ralink version...you should get it to work with using iwconfig and iwpriv commands....I had that one on my laptop...
[11:36] <wolfspfote> if oyu have the broadcom version...it should work
[11:36] <star> anyone knows whats going on with automatix2
[11:36] <lg188> wolfspfote: broad com let me look
[11:36] <wolfspfote> I found no issues with the broadcom chipset on google
[11:38] <lg188> now i see class 2 equipment that is not ggood
[11:38] <lg188> good*
[11:38] <wolfspfote> lg188: try typing "lspci | grep Broadcom\ Corporation"
[11:38] <star> is 8.04 shipt off with kde4
[11:39] <lg188> wolfspfote:  give me time
[11:39] <star> in its final release i mean
[11:39] <wolfspfote> star: you can choose....they release two version
[11:39] <wolfspfote> one with kde4 and without LTS
[11:40] <kmaxtor> 8.04 is available now?
[11:40] <star> ok ,then 3.5 will have LTS
[11:40] <kmaxtor> what i can do to avail copy 8.04
[11:40] <wolfspfote> and one with kde 3 and LTS....thats the way I understood it
[11:40] <wolfspfote> kmaxtor: download a daily snapshot of it ^^
[11:40] <xRaich[o]2x> The KDE3 version is supported for 18 months iirc
[11:41] <wolfspfote> xRaich[o]2x: yeah..thats LTS isnt it?
[11:41] <lg188> wolfspfote: did that non response
[11:41] <star> its because there have been all this noise from the kde-team about kde4
[11:41] <kmaxtor> give link to update kde 3 to 4
[11:41] <xRaich[o]2x> wolfspfote: Not sure, wasn't that a longer?
[11:41] <xRaich[o]2x> -a
[11:41] <wolfspfote> kmaxtor: you can install both desktops on one machine
[11:41] <star> something about it should replace 3.8
[11:42] <wolfspfote> but I would prefer kde3 since kde4 isnt stable enough....maybe kde4.1 will be
[11:42] <lg188> wolfspfote: try surfing ^^
[11:42] <kmaxtor> please give repositories to update my kde
[11:43] <wolfspfote> lg188: try to google a bit around....I have to go back to work now...maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear will help you
[11:43] <wolfspfote> kmaxtor: they should be in the unstable repos....within your sources.list ...just uncomment it
[11:43] <wolfspfote> but got to go now
[11:43] <wolfspfote> see ya
[11:43] <xRaich[o]2x> wolfspfote: I think you are right, Dapper seems so long ago but it's actually about 18 months by now ^^
[11:43] <MasseR> I'm trying to suspend with pm-suspend, but when I try to resume, i only get fans back on
[11:44] <lg188> wolfspfote: kk thnx
[11:44] <MasseR> The harddisk blimps and then stops
[11:44] <star> how do i play dvd in 8.04
[11:44] <MasseR>  /var/log/messages doesn't get any data
[11:44] <star> i cant seem to find libcvv
[11:44] <lg188> any boddy now some help ?
[11:46] <star> anyone
[11:49] <kmaxtor> please give kde update in enabled to update my kde 3 to 4
[11:59] <mohi> hi all :)
[12:00] <mohi> does anybody here know/have a nice intruduction presentation about kubuntu hardi?
[12:00] <mohi> s/hardi/Hardy
[12:04] <Dr_willis> not notic4ed any mohi . i imagine the various ubuntu news sites will be having some reviews soon.
[12:05] <Jucato> mohi: see the various announcement for the Hardy pre-releases in kubuntu.org
[12:05] <Jucato> that's probably as close as you can get to a presentation
[12:07] <mohi> Jucato, Dr_willis: ok. tanx. We'll have a release party here in Iran and I wanted to see if there is any similar presentation to get some help from.
[12:08] <mohi> I'll search the wiki and kubuntu.org for it :)
[12:09] <jpatrick> mohi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties
[12:09] <mohi> jpatrick: thanks :) sure.
[12:10] <MasseR> I'm trying to suspend with pm-suspend, but when I try to resume the system hangs up immediately
[12:13] <Sir_Corgi> Agh!  Intimidating foreign symbols!
[12:14] <lg188> hello back
[12:15] <lg188> any bode ca, help me with my inet ?
[12:15] <taninomax> eiii non ce nessuno?
[12:15] <taninomax> sara ma io non ho capito un tubo di questa chat
[12:15] <jpatrick> !it | taninomax
[12:16] <ubotu> taninomax: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:16] <taninomax> ok grazie
[12:16] <Sir_Corgi> I wish it would have been that easy when that Russian guy came in.
[12:17] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: give him !ru
[12:17] <Sir_Corgi> It wasn't that simple.
[12:17] <Sir_Corgi> He didn't know how to use IRC.
[12:17] <Sir_Corgi> And he was using Opera AC.
[12:17] <Sir_Corgi> It was only a coincidence that I'm studying Russian right now.
[12:18] <taninomax> non so come si fa a cambiare chat
[12:18] <Sir_Corgi> I tried to help him, but alas, I couldn't.  :(
[12:18] <Jucato> eeek...
[12:19] <Sir_Corgi> I didn't know the verb for "to click"
[12:20] <Sir_Corgi> But it didn't matter, because he was on Opera AC, which I guess is a completely different taco.
[12:20] <Sir_Corgi> It was good Russian practice, though. :)
[12:24] <lg188> hello need help with my Belkin  Wireless G Desktop Card
[12:24]  * lg188 needs cookie and help
[12:24] <Dr_willis> I just FINIALLY got wireless working on my laptop - in hardy. :) heh
[12:27] <Sir_Corgi> Congratulations
[12:32] <lg188> anybody now can help ?
[12:32] <nomopofomo> What's your question?
[12:33] <jpatrick> !wifi
[12:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:34] <lg188> ty
[12:44] <lg188> jpatrick: the hardware is not detected
[12:44] <nomopofomo> Does flash work in the latest version of Konqueror?
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> nomopofomo: works for me
[12:45] <jpatrick> !madwifi | lg188
[12:45] <ubotu> lg188: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:45] <jpatrick> arg
[12:45] <nomopofomo> nosrednaekim: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[12:45] <nomopofomo> nosrednaekim: and where did you get the plugin? Adobe site or Adept?
[12:45] <jpatrick> lg188: well, sorry, don't know, maybe googling the card and linux might bring up some drivers
[12:45] <lg188> ty ^^
[12:46] <Sir_Corgi> Flash doesn't work for me in Konqueror... so I just use Firefox.  <3
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> nomopofomo: adept, but I haven't upgraded/updated in a long time.
[12:46] <nomopofomo> nosrednaekim: What version Flash is it?
[12:46] <kmaxtor> how to build video streaing in kubuntu linux
[12:47] <nomopofomo> Sir_Corgi: what version of Kubuntu are you running and how did you try to install it?
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12
[12:48] <Sir_Corgi> I have Gutsy, and I think I downloaded it from Adobe.
[12:48] <Sir_Corgi> I honestly don't care if it doesn't work in Konqueror, because I don't use it.
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[13:03] <qmf> hallo
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> how do I extract an rpm.gz
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> gunzip doesnt want to know
[13:04] <Dr_willis> rpm.gz? thats weird.
[13:04] <qmf> some german here?
[13:04] <Dr_willis> do a 'file whatever.rpm.gz' and see what it says it is
[13:04] <Dr_willis> !de
[13:04] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:04] <qmf> k
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: RPM v3 bin i386 magicolor5430DL-1.7.0-1
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: I need to alien it to deb
[13:06] <Dr_willis> dosent look likt its gzipped at all to me.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> just rename it.
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: haha just did
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: lemme see if its sweet
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> bah no luck
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> unknown type of package
[13:08] <Dr_willis> a rpm file is a specilized cpio archive i thought.
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> maybe its case, its all in upper case
[13:08]  * Dr_willis rembers why he avoides rpm's
[13:09] <Dr_willis> You can use mc, or other tools to view the contents of rpm files. :)
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: yeah it was the case of the file extension
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: Konika only do RPM for their drivers
[13:10] <Dr_willis> they proberly tack on the .gz to make the servers sure to transfer them as binary
[13:10] <hmmm> is it possible to do a internet upgrade from gutsy to hardy with the kde4 remix?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: makes sense, cheers dude
[13:11] <Dr_willis> I just install the kde4 packages.. :)
[13:11] <Dr_willis> im testin the hardy kde4 install cd now. - installing the extra kde4 stuff right now also.
[13:11] <Dr_willis> but thats for #ubuntu+1
[13:11] <Jucato> hmmm: upgrade to hardy then install the kde4 packages. that's all there is to it
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> yeah im on hardy but its a simple file type / alien issue
[13:11] <hmmm> okey thanks
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> on with the walkthrough :)
[13:12] <Jucato> what's the game? :D
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> setup a konika minolta 5430DL on hardy
[13:13] <Jucato> ah.. pass :)
[13:14] <MasseR> I'm trying to suspend with pm-suspend, but when I try to resume the system hangs up immediately
[13:16] <lg188> how do you go in  to root in a normal shell session without getting out of the dir you are in  ?
[13:17] <MasseR> sudo ?
[13:17] <Gaasthon> su
[13:17] <Gaasthon> or sudo )s
[13:17] <Gaasthon> sudo -s sorry
[13:18] <lg188> ty
[13:18] <Dr_willis> !sudo | lg188
[13:18] <ubotu> lg188: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[13:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:21] <lg188> i know now bu thns Dr_willis ^^
[13:30] <draco_> hello
[13:30] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[13:31] <draco_> did anybody can help my with my wifi card on pcmcia?
[13:31] <nomopofomo> Why can't I find build-essential in Add/Remove Programs?
[13:32] <Jucato> nomopofomo: one of the "deficiencies" of the simplified installer
[13:32] <nomopofomo> Oh, right, I just found Adept Manager.
[13:32] <Jucato> it uses a smaller database of apps. doesn't list everything.
[13:33] <draco_> i have pentagram hornet pcmcia and my notebool doesn t see it
[13:33] <draco_> in win 2003 evrything run great
[13:34] <Jucato> it might be missing drivers or something
[13:34] <Jucato> !wireless
[13:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:34] <draco_> i try much driver
[13:35] <draco_> ubuntu don t see any new card or any other devices when i plug the card
[13:40] <muxley> hi, i use kubuntu 7.10 and have just installed autofs to automount usb-devices. the stick is correctly inserted in its port. to find out at which device it can be found, i entered as root 'fdisk -l'. but there are only sda-devices listed which only correspond to my sata-drive
[13:45] <muxley> what can i do to find out as which device my usb-device is mapped?
[13:50] <matt1728> can someone help me set up a mail.com account on thunderbird
[13:53] <LadyNikon> matt1728: never heard of mail.com
[13:53] <LadyNikon> matt1728: you can probably google mail.com to see what their mail servers are
[13:53] <matt1728> alright
[13:53] <matt1728> thanks
[13:58] <matt1728> are there any good linux games outthere?
[13:58] <jussio1> !games
[13:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[13:59] <Dr_willis> matt1728,  savage 2 just came out with a linux native client last week. :) if you want a comercial game.
[13:59] <matt1728> nah
[14:00] <matt1728> how about free games?
[14:01] <jussi01> matt1728: I like tremulous, but it dpends on what you want?
[14:01] <jussi01> matt1728: have a look at the link from ubotu
[14:01] <jussi01> !appdb | matt1728
[14:01] <ubotu> matt1728: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[14:01] <jussi01> matt1728: you can also use wine to run games.
[14:03] <matt1728> im gong to try World of Padman
[14:03] <matt1728> lol
[14:03] <Dr_willis> dosbox is good for those oldie games you never could get working under windows.
[14:03] <Dr_willis> Padman is fun
[14:03] <Dr_willis> matt1728,  check out the Alien Arena 2008 - it just came out last week also i think. (free)
[14:04] <matt1728> k ill give it a go
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:25] <Firefishe> test
[14:29] <Fujisan> test
[14:29] <Fujisan> test
[14:29] <jpatrick> Fujisan: hi
[14:29] <jussio1> failed
[14:29] <Fujisan> nalioth:
[14:29] <Fujisan> :-(
[14:30] <jpatrick> Fujisan: he is away, what do you need?
[14:30] <jussio1> Fujisan: can we help you with something?
[14:30] <Fujisan> he is an old friend of mine
[14:30] <Fujisan> just saying hi
[14:48] <rom> hi
[14:48] <rom> how to install ksynaptic in kubuntu hardy (for touchpad)?
[14:48] <rom> it was in default repositories in gutsy...
[15:00] <rom> ..
[15:10] <TeslaTony> Any idea why Firefox would crash more under KDE than GNOME?
[15:10] <rom> no, it doesn't crash for me
[15:10] <rom> on kde
[15:10] <rom> it was on kubuntu edgy
[15:10] <rom> and feisty
[15:10] <TeslaTony> Hrm
[15:11] <TeslaTony> For me, it crashes incessantly
[15:11] <TeslaTony> A huge part probably has to do with the fact that I'm opening about a dozen tabs per window and four windows
[15:11] <rom> uninstall flash plugin
[15:11] <rom> and reinstall it from firefox
[15:12] <TeslaTony> Hrm...that might do it
[15:12] <TeslaTony> Would it matter if I did it under KDE or GNOME?
[15:13] <bhsx> is amarok for kde4 packaged?
[15:13] <sigma_1234> are any screenshots of the new kde4 kontact available?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> It may be that FF isn't the problem, too many instances of different video codecs on the various pages conflicting for cpu :)
[15:15] <kaminix> Where do I find all my keyboard variants in Linux? Is it easy to make on myself by modifying an existing one?
[15:15] <TeslaTony> I'm not watching videos on any of these pages. Last crash I had was mostly craigslist postings, which are all text
[15:18] <nakama> @@?
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> bhsx: Don't think it's ported yet, check in #amarok
[15:18] <nakama> first time here ...
[15:18] <bhsx> thanks
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> TeslaTony: Are you running compiz?
[15:20] <TeslaTony> Yeah, I'm running Compiz on both GNOME and KDE
[15:24] <jhutchins_wk> TeslaTony: I'll bet it'll run without crashing if you turn compiz off.
[15:25] <TeslaTony> I can try that. I'm getting a little fed up with Compiz on KDE anyways
[15:25] <jhutchins_wk> I gather SuSE has gone to Gnome these days, and that's where the base development of compiz comes from, so the integration's a little better.
[15:26] <jhutchins_wk> kde on compiz is less stable than gnome on compiz.
[15:26] <jhutchins_wk> Not that compiz is by any stretch of the mind stable to begin with.
[15:26] <jhutchins_wk> TeslaTony: Intel or NVida?
[15:27] <TeslaTony> Nvidia Gefore 8800
[15:27] <TeslaTony> *GeForce
[15:40] <alastair> 'kay. I had to reinstall my OS because I thought my disk was b0rked but it wasn't. I installed Gutsy over Gutsy, keeping my /home partition intact. The only problem I now have is that knetworkmanager doesn't make kwallet ask for my password. I presume this is because the reinstalled knetworkmanager is at odds with my home directory, one of which says the WPA key is stored and the other of which says it is not
[15:40] <alastair> So I can't connect my wireless
[15:41] <alastair> Is there a config I can delete or something to reset my kwallet settings? I'm not around the laptop at the mo so I can't say if it worked but i'm so damn bored at work I figured i'd research my personal problems :)
[15:48] <nomopofomo> this sucks. i can't add myself to a group with the users program in system settings
[15:49] <Jucato> nomopofomo: how come?
[15:49] <nomopofomo> Jucato: It just won't let me.
[15:49] <Jucato> alastair: could you try running kwalletmanager and look for the password there?
[15:49] <Jucato> nomopofomo: you're running it in Admin Mode?
[15:49] <nomopofomo> Jucato: Yes.
[15:49] <nomopofomo> Wait...
[15:49] <nomopofomo> I might have to restart
[15:49] <Jucato> um?
[15:50] <Jucato> O.o
[15:50] <alastair> Silly boy
[15:50] <alastair> You never have to restart under Linux
[15:51] <Jucato> well, not "never"...
[15:51] <jpatrick> alastair: kernel upgrade?
[15:51] <nomopofomo> Hm...
[15:51] <Jucato> alastair: what was the restart for?
[15:51] <Jucato> er..
[15:51] <Jucato> I meant nomopofomo
[15:51] <nomopofomo> Jucato: I would type groups in terminal and it wouldn't show me in the group.
[15:51] <nomopofomo> It's fine now.
[15:52] <sigma_1234> will the latest kernel be in hardy? i see one got released very recently
[15:52] <Jucato> nomopofomo: um... here's a tip... when you add/remove a user from a group, you need to logout and login for changes to take effect
[15:52] <Jucato> nomopofomo: but no need to reboot. just logout
[15:52] <nomopofomo> That's what I did :)
[15:53] <nomopofomo> That was pretty fast for a reboot, wasn't it?
[15:53] <Jucato> well you did say "restart"
[15:53] <nomopofomo> You're right.
[15:54] <nomopofomo> I wish... KDE was better integrated with Ubuntu... I can tell that the level of polish in Kubuntu is not as high as in Ubuntu...
[15:55] <Jucato> well...
[15:56] <jpatrick> ....................
[15:58] <alastair> Oh, I found KDE more polished than GNOME
[15:58] <georgious_> hey guys
[15:59] <georgious_> could someone please tell me the antonym of "virtualization"
[15:59] <georgious_> it got out of my head..
[15:59] <Jucato> "native"?
[15:59] <georgious_> I mean - multiple machines acting like one logical
[15:59] <makdaknife> cluster?
[16:00] <Jucato> not really an "antonym" then :)
[16:00]  * Jucato fails to see the relance to Kubuntu yet...
[16:00] <makdaknife> that's what I was thinking
[16:00] <georgious_> cluster.. mm..
[16:00] <georgious_> almost like it, I think :)
[16:00] <Jucato> farm?
[16:00] <nomopofomo> KDE is nicer than Gnome but I think Ubuntu is a little bit nicer as a whole than Kubuntu.
[16:00] <georgious_> well, why not an "antonym"?
[16:00] <nomopofomo> BTW, Synaptic > Adept Manager.
[16:01] <alastair> the problem I have with GNOME is I don't like any of the themes :x
[16:01] <alastair> Like, any of them
[16:01] <alastair> Across the whole net
[16:01] <Jucato> georgious_: an antonym is the opposite of something. "multiple machines acting like one logical" isn't really the opposite of "virtualization"
[16:01] <nomopofomo> You should get a Mac if you like pretty looks.
[16:01] <alastair> Luckily I use Compiz so I override both KDE and Gnome
[16:01] <alastair> haha
[16:01] <georgious_> Jucato: virtualization: one machine acting like many
[16:01] <georgious_> :)
[16:01] <georgious_> or.. maybe I'm wrong ?
[16:01] <alastair> Don't be daft. The only time I used a mac I crashed it trying to edit an HTML file
[16:01] <alastair> in a text editor, I might add.
[16:02] <georgious_> alastair: hehe.. don't be so harsh in your judgement ;)
[16:02] <Jucato> !offtopic
[16:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[16:02] <alastair> well no one answered me on topic so I started chatting
[16:02] <georgious_> he, ok, ok
[16:02] <georgious_> I'm leaving :)
[16:02] <alastair> baj
[16:02] <georgious_> elitarians :)
[16:02] <Jucato> alastair: no one?
[16:03] <alastair> no one
[16:03] <alastair> But then there was suddenly activity
[16:03] <alastair> So i might ask again
[16:03] <jpatrick> why not just /join #kubuntu-offtopic? And we can all chat?
[16:03] <Jucato> [23:46] <Jucato> alastair: could you try running kwalletmanager and look for the password there?
[16:03] <alastair> O--o
[16:03] <Jucato> that was 14 minutes ago
[16:03] <alastair> How did you di that without highlighting me
[16:03] <alastair> kwalletmanager. noted!
[16:04] <alastair> Is that the thing that pops up when knetworkmanager asks for the password?
[16:04] <sirjoshimus> is pulse audio workable for gutsy?
[16:04] <sirjoshimus> is it better than alsa?
[16:04] <Jucato> sirjoshimus: maybe it's working for Ubuntu, not for KDE. try asking in #ubuntu+1
[16:04] <sirjoshimus> ah
[16:04] <Jucato> (KDE's not set to use Pulse Audio)
[16:05] <Jucato> alastair: that thing that pops up is the KWallet system...kwalletmanager is just a fancy GUI to manage wallets (as the name suggests)
[16:05] <alastair> I'm heavily reliant on fancy guis!
[16:06]  * Jucato yawns
[16:08] <alastair> an on-topic yawn?
[16:08] <alastair> ^_^
[16:08] <Jucato> I was trying to trigger ubotu
[16:08] <Jucato> oh well
[16:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's supposed to trigger ubotu?
[16:14] <Jucato> Daisuke_Laptop: now that you mention it... no :)
[16:14]  * Jucato lacks kaffeine
[16:28] <leMaster> hallo wer kann mir helfen
[16:28] <leMaster> habe ein problem mit java
[16:28] <jpatrick> !de | leMaster
[16:28] <ubotu> leMaster: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:28] <jpatrick> savetheWorld: hey
[16:28] <savetheWorld> leMaster: heh, who doesn't!
[16:28] <savetheWorld> jpatrick: hi!
[16:29] <savetheWorld> jpatrick:  is there a jre packed up for kubuntu? (LTS)
[16:29] <jpatrick> !java
[16:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[16:30] <savetheWorld> jpatrick:  do you know if that will automatically be integrated with fire fox?
[16:30] <savetheWorld> (Ubuntu 6.06 LTS)
[16:30] <_maw> after the install check about:plugins
[16:30] <jpatrick> savetheWorld: don't see why it shouldn't...
[16:30] <_maw> should be there
[16:30] <savetheWorld> _maw: thanks
[16:30] <savetheWorld> jp
[16:30] <savetheWorld> jpatrick: Also Thanks!
[16:32] <jpatrick> savetheWorld: no problems
[16:33] <dthacker-work> !compiz
[16:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:39] <Creationist> Is there a simple way to delete ALL KDE settings, but retain my Amarok, KTorrent, etc., settings?
[16:45] <Creationist> Is there a simple way to delete ALL KDE settings, but retain my Amarok, KTorrent, etc., settings?
[16:46] <jussi01> !repeat | Creationist
[16:46] <ubotu> Creationist: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[16:46] <LjL> Creationist: no
[16:46] <LjL> Creationist: you have to go through ~/.kde and find what's relevant
[16:46] <Creationist> LjL: Yeah, that's what I was afraid of ...
[16:47] <Creationist> LjL: Thank you.
[16:47] <tzd> i am unable to connect to one of my repos and therefore unable to update. I need help with this please?
[16:48] <jussi01> tzd: disable the repo for a bit
[16:48] <jussi01> tzd: go to adept - manage repositories - third party repos, and uncheck it.
[16:50] <tzd> jussi01: hmm ok... it's just that it is basically the only one i have there... (se.archive.ubuntu.com)
[16:56] <Creationist> LjL: So do you think it would be okay to simple delete everything under ~/.kde/ except for the application folders I use under ~/.kde/share/apps?  I'm planning on doing a fresh install with KDE instead of Gnome and don't want any leftover settings...
[16:57] <LjL> Creationist: you should also look into .kde/share/config. why don't you do something like: grep -R "marok\|orrent" ~/.kde/
[16:57] <Jucato> Creationist: config files are in ~/.kde/share/config/
[16:58] <Jucato> (data files are in ~/.kde/share/apps/)
[17:01] <Creationist> Jucato: So just deleting ~/.kde/share/config should do the trick and give me a fresh install of KDE without losing my application settings?
[17:02] <Jucato> Creationist: by deleting ~/.kde/share/config/ you *lose* application settings
[17:02] <Creationist> ah
[17:03] <Creationist> perhaps I should file this basic inability as a bug? ;)
[17:04] <alastair> Creationist: application settings are generally stored in your home directory. If you keep that, you keep the settings.
[17:04] <alastair> Indeed, personal settings basically *have* to be sotred there because you're not allowed to write anywhere else
[17:04] <Creationist> Then again, most Gnome apps do the same thing for some reason... tuck all their configuration and data files within the directory structure of the window manager... strange.
[17:05] <Jucato> Creationist: inability to what?
[17:05] <Creationist> alastair: No, I understand that.  I'm trying to do a completely fresh install of Kubuntu (currently running Gnome), but I don't want ANY of my previous KDE settings.... except that I want to keep all my Amarok, Ktorrent settings.
[17:05] <Creationist> Jucato: To do what I just said I'm trying to do :)
[17:06] <Creationist> Jucato: Do you happen to know why the developers put their configs within the window manager directories?  WOuldn
[17:06] <Creationist> WOuldn't it make more sense to just put them under ~/?
[17:06] <Jucato> move/rename the ~/.kde folder. once you login, a new one will be generated. copy over the Amarok and KTorrent config files and app data from the old ~/.kde to the new one
[17:06] <Jucato> within the what?
[17:06] <Creationist> Jucato: Ah... didn't think of that.
[17:06] <Jucato> they are under ~/
[17:07] <Jucato> ~/.kde is under ~/
[17:07] <Creationist> Jucato: Right... but what I mean is that most KDE apps have their files within ~/.kde/ and most gnome apps have their files under ~/.kde/gnome2/.  Why can't their just be ~/.amarok, for example?
[17:07] <Creationist> Wouldn't that be more intuitive and useful?
[17:08] <Creationist> I meant ~/gnome2/ on that second one, by the way.
[17:08] <llutz> Creationist: no, it would fill your home and make it more confusig
[17:08] <Jucato> you prefer to have 40+ toplevel hidden directories?
[17:08] <Creationist> Jucato: Hehe, I already do for some reason.
[17:08] <billygotshot> how do i run aim on kubuntu?
[17:08] <Creationist> billygotshot: Look into Pidgin or Kopete.  AIM is a Windows program.
[17:08] <Jucato> billygotshot: create an account in Kopete or Pidgin
[17:08] <llutz> billygotshot: use kopete, pidgin or im-of-your-choice
[17:09] <Jucato> Creationist: technically it's a protocol :)
[17:09] <Creationist> Jucato: AOL Instant Messenger is a protocol?
[17:09] <billygotshot> alright thanks
[17:09] <Creationist> Sounds like the name of an app ;)
[17:09] <Creationist> Then again, I'm stupid ;)
[17:10] <Creationist> Jucato: Thanks for your help again.
[17:10] <Jucato> (so is Yahoo!Messenger... but the protocol is still Yahoo!Messenger...)
[17:10] <Jucato> afaik
[17:11] <Creationist> Jucato: So then we were both right :P
[17:13] <Creationist> Jucato: May I ask one more quick question.... What are ~/.kderc and ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde.  Are they important to KDE?
[17:14] <Creationist> lol and I'm not even sure how to rename a directory in the terminal...
[17:14] <Jucato> .kderc is the config for fonts mostly. .gtkrc-2.0-kde is the config for the gtk-qt-engine (make GTK/GNOME apps look like Qt/KDE)
[17:15] <Jucato> Creationist: then use Konqueror :/
[17:15] <Jucato> or D3lphin
[17:16] <Creationist> Jucato: Should I just be able to mv -R .kde/?
[17:16] <Creationist> Not working....
[17:17]  * Creationist never used to be so annoying :)  Sorry.
[17:17] <Jucato> mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[17:18] <cesar_> q as
[17:18] <Creationist> Jucato: Thanks a lot.  You've always been very helpful to me here this past year and a half... I appreciate it :)
[17:18] <Jucato> that long? O.o
[17:18]  * Jucato feels old now... :(
[17:19] <jpatrick> Jucato: you gotta love irc
[17:19] <Jucato> you can say that I'm hooked... :D
[17:19] <alastair> Yeah you can make people feel old from the other side of the world
[17:19] <Jucato> (although I started in the forums... it was worse then... I hit F5 every 10-15 minutes :P)
[17:20] <Jucato> !yawn
[17:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yawn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:20] <Jucato> heheh sorry
[17:26] <devilsadvocate_> hi. the channel names in my xchat dont light up when there are changes
[17:26] <devilsadvocate_> its not a config problem because it works when i ssh -X in from elsewhere
[17:28] <eji> Hello
[17:28] <nikosan> hi
[17:29] <yakuzi> i've got a problem i'm getting sick of: when i'm working, on unexpected moments y laptop just turns itself off. If i go look in the logs i find this :[    0.000000] ACPI: BIOS bug: multiple APIC/MADT found, using 0
[17:29] <eji> nikosan
[17:30] <yakuzi> i searched and found something with kernel version so i checked that and i've kernel 2.6.22.14.21, i didn't have the problem on feisty, and as i assume that had kernel 2.6.20...
[17:31] <nikosan> ehm sorry i dont speak english
[17:31] <yakuzi> i just don't know how to handle this problem, or should i just wait until 8.04 comes out?
[17:31] <nikosan> i m itali boy
[17:32] <eji> what do u speak?
[17:32] <jpatrick> !it | nikosan
[17:32] <nikosan> german end italy
[17:32] <ubotu> nikosan: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:32] <eji> fuck
[17:32] <nikosan> i live in germany
[17:32] <LjL> !language
[17:32] <eji> understand
[17:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:32] <nikosan> ok grayie uboto
[17:33] <nikosan> sorry by :)
[17:33] <eji> ok
[17:33] <eji> hei ubotu
[17:33] <nonewmsgs> !porn
[17:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:33] <eji> I'm a newbie
[17:42] <jussi01> !nickspam > Jman
[17:42] <matt1728> what is a swap used for?
[17:42] <makdaknife> matt1728: its like a windows pagefile
[17:43] <jussi01> !swap
[17:43] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[17:43] <matt1728> oh cool
[17:44] <llutz> memory-pages are moved to swap, not apps
[17:45] <yakuzi> what i also find in the logs just a little below the otehr strange thing is this : [    0.000000] ACPI: If "acpi_apic_instance=2" works better, notify linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org but i'be no idea where i can do what it sugest...
[18:13] <philipp_> mhh
[18:13] <philipp_> hi ;P
[18:13] <jussi01> hi
[18:27] <jorge_> hi, somebody could tell me how to enable those packages that are not enable(not highlighted)?
[18:27] <jorge_> ADEPT INSTALLER
[18:27] <rom> hi
[18:28] <derdui_> Hi, does anybody know, how to install kde4 for testing, but i dont wanna lose my old kde. And it should be possible to switch to kde3 in a case of problem
[18:29] <jpatrick> !kde4
[18:29] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[18:31] <jorge_> hi, does somebody knows how to install firefox from console?
[18:33] <hyakuhei> jorge_, use aptitude
[18:33] <hyakuhei> in this case "sudo aptitude install firefox"
[18:33] <jorge_> ok, thanks
[18:33] <hyakuhei> no worries
[18:33] <rom> hi, how to install ksynapic in kubuntu hardy beta?
[18:33] <rom> it is not in repositories
[18:34] <yakuzi> and if i may ask, what's the difference between "sudo apt-get install firefox" and "sudo aptitude install firefox", is apt-get outdateted or ..?
[18:34] <jorge_> no luck
[18:36] <jorge_> i already untar the file, and i see the firefox* file
[18:36] <tzd> rom: just out of curiosity... doesn't hardy come with synaptic??
[18:36] <jorge_> after that i'm lost
[18:36] <rom> ksynaptic, non
[18:36] <rom> no
[18:36] <rom> it's for touch pad
[18:36] <tzd> oh i see, got it :)
[18:36] <rom> (dont confuse with synaptic with gnome for repositories)
[18:37] <tzd> that's exactly what i did... my bad :)
[18:38] <yakuzi> jorge_: about your first question, if you open add/remove programs and look at something like "change software source" on the left-down corner of your screen
[18:38] <tzd> hmm got one question myself: "Do 'make depend && make' to compile Wine." what does "make depend" means in this matter please? I've configured it and it works... wouldn't make install be enough?
[18:39] <yakuzi> what's crossed and what not, becasue if you don't have "universe" it's possible you have some greyed-out stuff (if i'm not mistaken)
[18:40] <rom> nobody knows how to install ksynaptic?
[18:41] <tzd> rom: you should try a few hours earlier. I usuallt find some really skilled people around 1pm here (now it's 19:30 here)
[18:42] <rom> ok I will try every hour :)
[18:42] <_maw> kububtu really doesn't like my compaq R3000 laptop :\
[18:42] <tzd> :)
[18:43] <tzd> maw: R3000? Is that an old laptop?
[18:43] <_maw> ya
[18:43] <_maw> 1.6Ghz AMD, 1GB ram
[18:44] <tzd> _maw: ok. Just wondered since I used to work for HP and therefore also Compaq but I never heard of that model before.
[18:44] <_maw> hehe
[18:44] <_maw> not sure when the manufacturer date was
[18:44] <_maw> I got it for free
[18:45] <_maw> a coworker was going to throw it out, of course I offered to take it
[18:45] <mar> hola
[18:45] <_maw> replaced the HD and it works again
[18:46] <tzd> _maw: it can't be that old though... i remember 6-7 years back when i had a Compaq Evo and that was 1ghz and 512 mb... that was one hell of a computer when it was alive...
[18:47] <mar> alguien y a ser posible en mi idioma me podria decir donde estoy
[18:47] <trappist> !es
[18:47] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:48] <mar> y si solo hablas ingles porque me has contestado
[18:48] <jpatrick> !es | mar
[18:48] <ubotu> mar: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:48] <jpatrick> !bot | mar
[18:48] <ubotu> mar: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:18] <SteamedPenguin> if I am using kubuntu but having a hardware issue, would I be better served in #ubuntu?
[19:18] <nick__> how i can got hotmail mail notification on kubuntu
[19:21] <rob234> I switched to the vga out on my laptop and now I have a big virtual screen but 640x480. can someone help me get the resolution higher?
[19:22] <rob234> using xorg
[19:24] <siofwolves> nick__, gotmail comes up in Adept, never used it myself.
[19:26] <_maw> is the laptop button support for sound built into kde?
[19:26] <_maw> or is that an alsa feature?
[19:29] <PhilRod> _maw: if your laptop key generates an x event (you can use 'xev' to see whether it does) then you can set it up with kde
[19:30] <PhilRod> otherwise you'll have to fiddle with something lower level
[19:32] <_maw> well, right now I am running xubuntu and the buttons were not auto detected. Kubuntu auto detected them and configured them to work correctly
[19:32] <_maw> I just found that interesting
[19:32]  * SteamedPenguin kicks launchpad
[19:32] <SteamedPenguin> I wonder why it won't let me log in
[19:34] <SteamedPenguin> I am seeing the kubuntu ksplash theme fail after upgrading to hardy
[19:35] <SteamedPenguin> does launchpad not like logins via Konqueror?
[19:37] <nixternal> SteamedPenguin: does it make you try and login again after you have entered your stuff correctly?
[19:38] <nixternal> ie. you have to login twice before it takes
[19:38] <SteamedPenguin> nixternal: actually kded is failing for some reason
[19:38] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't get that problem, but I do remember having to login twice in a row for it to take
[19:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Good evening!
[19:39] <nixternal> oh wait, are we talking kde3 or kde4 here?
[19:39] <nixternal> I haven't used kde3 in a while and forget about it sometimes :)
[19:39] <SteamedPenguin> nixternal: kde3 on kubuntu hardy
[19:40] <nixternal> nah, I haven't had any issues when trying it
[19:41] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone familiar with imwheel know if there is such thing as "repeat" for Logitech mouse buttons/wheel thingys? I have set up the left and right tilting of my MX1000's wheel for horizontal scrolling, but I have to keep pressing instead that I can just hold it in the tilted position...
[19:41] <SteamedPenguin> nixternal: that was odd, kded must have failed, brought it back up and everything is butter
[19:42] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: That sounds like issues with kde 3.5.9
[19:44] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: yeah,
[19:44] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: Let me guess, automounting removable devices?
[19:45] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: no, cookie handler went away when kded went down
[19:45] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: so I couldn't log into luanchpad to file a bug. :)
[19:45] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: I have had that issue: Turn on my external hdd which was set to automatically being mounted, and kded would boost up to 100%
[19:46] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: Quite a few things will not work when kded needs to be killed... Cookies are among them, dcop calls to amarok too...
[19:46] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: How did it happen?
[19:47] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: as far as I can tell either kded didn't start when I logged in or it died a silent, quiet death and I didn't notice anything until I tried to log into lauchpad and couldn't
[19:48] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: Something must be wrong with kded in 3.5.9 in Gutsy.. From the reports, it does not act up like this in Hardy...
[19:48] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: this /is/ Hardy. :)
[19:49] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: Strictly discussions of hardy belong to #ubuntu+1 ;)
[19:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Strictly speaking that was...
[19:49] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: weird.
[19:49] <nick__> how to install a tar.gs
[19:49] <nick__> how to install a tar.gz *
[19:50] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: should be mentioned in the chan greeting
[19:50] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: What are you trying to install? You better first check if it's in the repos, or if you can find a ubuntu deb of it...
[19:50] <nick__> a theme for kde
[19:51] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: Else, it's the good ol' threesome: configure, make, make install
[19:51] <nick__> ./configure ?
[19:51] <nick__> o ok configure make make install okok
[19:51] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: thanks for the tip
[19:52] <nick__> i extrack the archive before ?
[19:52] <SteamedPenguin> nick__: yes. if it is a kde theme you might only need to extract the archive
[19:52] <SteamedPenguin> and put it in its proper place
[19:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, I don''t know the exact location from the top of my head now...
[19:53] <MilhousePunkRock> SteamedPenguin: Isn't it in the topic?
[19:53] <SteamedPenguin> MilhousePunkRock: nope
[19:53] <nick__> SteamedPenguin:  and what i doing after ?
[19:54] <MilhousePunkRock> It's really not in the topic... I remember it being in the topic for previous releases though...
[19:54] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: Where did you get it from? kde-look? Maybe there are instructions? If not, check if there is a readme in the archive...
[19:55] <nick__> ok
[19:55] <nick__> MilhousePunkRock:  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150
[19:56] <Andy01> hey has anyone installed ipodlinux with kubuntu?
[19:57] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: You are aware that you will need some extra stuff for it?
[19:57] <nick__> MilhousePunkRock:  do you know how to install it ?
[19:58] <nick__> oups i not know that :(
[19:58] <nick__> do he have a sit with theme in .deb ?
[19:58] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: Looks like you will need Dekorator (sounds like  a theme engine or something)
[19:58] <nick__> MilhousePunkRock:  ok
[20:01] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: Start looking at Dekorator first, it's linked there... There should be explanations somewhere. And what's wrong with Kubuntu's default look and the addtional styles it comes with...
[20:01] <tzd> is it possible to have a program to show up in just 1 virtual desktop? I mean, can you restrict a program to open up all the time in e.g. desktop 3?
[20:01] <nick__> MilhousePunkRock:  thanks dude ^^
[20:01] <MilhousePunkRock> nick__: YW
[20:02] <MilhousePunkRock> tzd: I think that is possible with the extra options you can get when you right click on the window title...
[20:05] <tzd> MilhousePunkRock: i think that actually worked :) Thanks a lot for your help!
[20:05] <MilhousePunkRock> tzd: No problem...
[20:17] <eigenval> hi, after the upgrade the font size of the adept manager is very small. what can i do?
[20:22] <nick__> how to open dekorator ?
[20:23] <soulasesing> help
[20:23] <jpatrick> !ask | soulasesing
[20:23] <ubotu> soulasesing: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:23] <soulasesing> i need you help
[20:23] <soulasesing> i speak spanish
[20:24] <soulasesing> alguien habla español
[20:24] <jpatrick> !es | soulasesing
[20:24] <ubotu> soulasesing: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:24] <soulasesing> thank
[20:25] <soulasesing> como hago para entrar al canal que me dijiste
[20:26] <soulasesing> soy nuevo en esto please
[20:26] <soulasesing> ubutu
[20:26] <jussi01> soulasesing: type: /join #kubuntu-es
[20:26] <soulasesing> thank
[20:28] <nick__> what is the code for make install ?
[20:28] <nick__> he said no directory select
[20:30] <nick__> ?
[20:31] <jussi01> nick__: you need to be a little more verbose, give us some more info
[20:31] <nick__> i want to install a program
[20:31] <nick__> i do ./configure
[20:31] <jussi01> nick__: what are you trying to make instal, whats the _exact_ error, etc
[20:32] <nick__> when i do make instal he said plz select a directory for make
[20:32] <Vermux> does anybody know a channel where I can ask questions about VOIP?
[20:34] <nick__> so how i put a thing for the make install create a directory alone ?
[20:34] <jussi01> nick__: what are you building?
[20:35] <Kiry> a friend installed Kubuntu on my laptop. at his place, it would detect the wireless connection no problem
[20:35] <nick__> i try to install domino
[20:36] <orient2000> h
[20:36] <Kiry> I get home and nada, nothing
[20:36] <Kiry> I don't even know how to go thru the steps to make the system auto detect the wireless router
[20:36] <Kiry> tried searching for 'detecting wireless' but wasn't successful
[20:37] <thomas____> jemand da?
[20:37] <jussi01> Kiry: which wireless card?
[20:37] <nick__> jussi01:  and its a .tar.gz
[20:37] <jussi01> nick sure. did you read the readme?
[20:38] <Kiry> •jussi01• no card, its built-in to the Thinkpad Z60t
[20:38] <jussi01> Kiry: ok, which chipset doe it have?
[20:38] <Kiry> um, where do I find that out?
[20:38] <algyz> Kiry:  lshw
[20:38] <thomas____> thinkpad ! i had one too   there was a dell wireless card build in
[20:39] <Kiry> lshw?
[20:39] <benpicco> Hi, is threre some way to get konqueror not to use this system:/media thing bit just /media?
[20:39] <Kiry> sorry, I'm not sure what that is
[20:39] <algyz> Kiry:  type this in terminal
[20:39] <nick__> jussi01:  so i extract domino and do ./configure and i want to do make install to install the app
[20:39] <benpicco> Kiry: a comand line tool to list hardware inforamtiion
[20:40] <thomas____> so i have to go !  i must install festy fawn right now
[20:40] <jussi01> nick__: 1 momnet please
[20:40] <nick__> ok
[20:41] <jussi01> nick__: you mean the kde theme domino?
[20:41] <nick__> yes
[20:41] <jussi01> nick, really simple. do: sudo apt-get install kde-style-domino
[20:41] <jussi01> :)
[20:41] <nick__> i need this to install kde domino theme based
[20:41] <Kiry> network: AR5112 802.11abc NIC
[20:41] <nick__> ok thanks
[20:42] <Kiry> vendor: atheros Communications, inc.
[20:42] <nick__> imposible to get kde-style-domino
[20:42] <Kiry> is that what y'all need or do I need to provide more info? (and if so, what?)
[20:43] <jussi01> nick my bad, its here on hardy. :(
[20:43] <orient2000> Thinkpad Z60t http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2006/01/02/350-ubuntu-linux-on-a-thinkpad-z60t
[20:44] <algyz> Kiry:  maybe this will help - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[20:47] <algyz> Kiry:  here is written, how to install atheros driver with ndiswrapper http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828
[20:49] <Kiry> ok, looking over destructions
[20:50] <algyz> Kiry:  try to do this, just remember, that these instructions are for feisty, so programs now probably are of another versions, than it is written there
[20:53] <Kiry> I think I have KDE?
[20:54] <Kiry> sorry for not knowing more of the details, didn't expect it to stop working quite so immediately
[20:55] <nick__> jussi01:  wht is that KCommonDecoration' has not been declared
[20:55] <jussi01> nick__: im not sure.
[20:57] <jussi01> nick__: this might help... Im not sure how good this is though, use at your own risk. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=678974
[20:57] <Darkrift2> anyone familiar with the 7.10/nvidia mpc51 audio problems? my audio is detected and shows its working but isnt. ive read lots of tutorials but they all seem to get a little to in depth for my knowledge
[20:58] <algyz> Darkrift2:  try to install oss driver, I did such thing in one machine with the same card and it worked good
[20:58] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm
[20:58] <Darkrift2> woudl that be in the repos/
[20:58] <Darkrift2> ?*
[20:59] <Darkrift2> ill go google it :)
[20:59] <algyz> Darkrift2:  goggle, it' abrevation of "opensound"
[21:00] <algyz> Darkrift2:  http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi
[21:03] <Darkrift2> do i use the hdaaudio module it is building?
[21:03] <Darkrift2> nvm, it selkected on its own
[21:05] <Darkrift2> ok, it wants a reboot, brb hopefully
[21:06] <Combatjuan> Is there a way to detect whether or not an external monitor is plugged in (to a laptop) at the time of startup and use an alternate xorg.conf?
[21:06] <Combatjuan> Or perhaps to use different options in an xorg.conf depending on if another monitor is plugged in?
[21:07] <Combatjuan> Also, is there a way in dolphin to sort by MIME type that I'm just not seeing?
[21:08] <algyz> Combatjuan:  if you're using nvidia card, maybe nvidia-settings will help
[21:09] <Combatjuan> algyz: I am using an nVidia card.  Any idea how nvidia-settings might help?
[21:10]  * DarkriftX hears sound!!!
[21:10] <algyz> ;)
[21:10] <DarkriftX> ty much algyz
[21:10] <algyz> you're welcome
[21:10] <DarkriftX> sounds a little crappy, but good enough for the few tv shows i watch :)
[21:10] <DarkriftX> much apprecaited
[21:11] <DarkriftX> ive been asking for 2 days
[21:11] <albert_> hi
[21:11] <DarkriftX> this channel and ##linux have made my second venture from the hell we call vista sucessfull
[21:12] <algyz> DarkriftX:  :) probably also this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449  will help you to manage with alsa
[21:12] <jpatrick> DarkriftX: if you need any more help, feel more than free to just ask here :)
[21:16] <DarkriftX> ive added both channels to auto join
[21:16] <DarkriftX> i occasionally scan the convo's and learn lots
[21:16] <mado> oy guys ... hi there
[21:16] <DarkriftX> i even put linux on my handheld :)
[21:17] <mado> finally i installed kubuntu linux :)
[21:17] <jpatrick> mado: welcome!
[21:17] <mado> thank you jpatrick
[21:17] <jpatrick> DarkriftX: yes, IRC is a great way to learn new things
[21:18] <mado> well erm ... currently i'm fooling around with some styles / themes and so on ...
[21:18] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to decode a .TiVo file but ran into a difficulty with this tutorial , I'm trying to figure out what this means.  Usage: ./objects.dir/tivodecode [--help] [--verbose|-v] [--no-verify|-n] {--mak|-m} mak [{--out|-o} outfile] <tivofile>
[21:18] <jpatrick> !changingthemes | mado
[21:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changingthemes - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:18] <mado> i wanted to know ... how can i change the color of the panel?
[21:18] <jpatrick> !changethemes | mado
[21:18] <ubotu> mado: To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[21:18] <jpatrick> there
[21:19] <BluesKaj> the ./objects.dir confuses me
[21:19] <mado> does the panel have a name?
[21:19] <jpatrick> mado: you have to right-click it, and configure panel -> Appearance
[21:19] <deb> Am I connected
[21:19] <jpatrick> mado: it's called Kicker
[21:19] <jpatrick> deb: yes, welcome to #kubuntu
[21:20] <deb> Where can I upload a comment about 8.04?
[21:20] <jpatrick> deb: here?
[21:20] <mado> jpatrick, ... thanks ... i don't know why but i didn't see the "configure panel"-thing :)
[21:20] <deb> It is a bit lengthy, but essentially the is a problem with 8.04 that would be simple to correct
[21:21] <mado> thank you ... i'll be back in some minutes
[21:21] <deb> The problem is the lack of Internet apps.  As it stands I cannot use the distro because I cannot connect to the internet
[21:23] <Combatjuan> deb: Which in particular are you missing?
[21:23] <jpatrick> mado: hmm, is it locked?
[21:24] <mado> jpatrick, ... ?
[21:24] <deb> I have two places where I connect to the internet - two different ISP's
[21:24] <mado> what do you mean?
[21:24] <jpatrick> mado: did you get the options windows?
[21:25] <deb> On one I have a wireless network and the main computer has a D-Link DWA 552 wireless card, Kubuntu cannot find the card.
[21:25] <deb> There is a GPL driver for it, Sabayon uses it.
[21:25] <mado> yeah ... i can see them now ... it wasn't locked ... i just missed the line "configure ..."
[21:26] <deb> The other the ISP uses PPPOE to connect - complete with user name and password, for each log on.  That set of apps is not available on the Live CD
[21:26] <jpatrick> deb: I'd say find the driver and tell the guys in #ubuntu-kernel
[21:26] <deb> It is the "other" Atheros driver
[21:27] <deb> Also, there is no woking "ndiswrapper."
[21:27] <mado> i hope you don't think that i'm weird or something ... but when i saw that there is a possibility to change e.g. the symbols i wanted to try that out too :)
[21:28] <jpatrick> deb: well, we're mostly desktop developers, the -kernel guys know best what happens in the kernel
[21:28] <jpatrick> mado: everyone starts out at one point :)
[21:29] <deb> I will move over - just  wanted you to be aware the current desktop setup is not a viable choice for a number of folks.
[21:29] <deb> Thanks
[21:30] <jpatrick> deb: you are most welcome
[21:30] <mado> well jpatrick ... this isn't the first thing i do ... when i finished the installation i installed some software ... and then i went to "kde-look.org" :)
[21:34] <mado> erm ...
[21:35] <mado> is there a way to have a different wallpaper for each desktop?
[21:35] <jpatrick> yes
[21:35] <mado> ok ... how do i go about it?
[21:35]  * jpatrick looks for option
[21:36] <jpatrick> mado: right-click the desktop -> Background
[21:36] <mado> ok
[21:36] <jpatrick> Configure Desktop then -> background
[21:37] <mado> uhuu ... i think i can see it now
[21:37] <jpatrick> then for: Setting for Desktop:  don't use All Desktops
[21:37] <mado> :)
[21:37] <mado> how come i am so blind?
[21:37] <mado> i should have seen it
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> mado: how did the install nd everything go?
[21:39] <mado> thank you very much jpatrick
[21:39] <jpatrick> mado: most welcome!
[21:39] <mado> nosrednaekim, ... hi ... nice to see you ... well ...
[21:40] <DarkriftX> algyz, i tried to use my headphones but sound is comming from speakers still (cant tell if headphones are working because speakers are loud lol... can this be fixed, also how do i change volume, kmix wont start anymore
[21:40] <mado> there was only one problem with the installation
[21:40] <mado> the computer can't connect to the "medibuntu"-site
[21:40] <algyz> DarkriftX: not sure about phones, try to type "oss" in terminal and then tab, probably there is some mixer
[21:40] <mado> so i can't download the updates which are on the "medibuntu"-site
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> mado: wow... medibuntu is on the default install?
[21:41] <DarkriftX> oh wow
[21:41] <DarkriftX> its friggen huge
[21:41] <jpatrick> mado: open the terminal -> K-Menu -> System -> Konsole and type: "sudo apt-get update"
[21:41] <DarkriftX> more settings then i could figure out in a week
[21:41] <DarkriftX> nice :)
[21:41] <mado> nah ... it wasn't ... i added it
[21:42] <mado> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> mado: oh, I thought that was the problem on instal ;P did you see this factoid yet?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[21:42] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[21:42] <deb> Question, I was given less than a "warm" reception over on the "ubuntu-kernel" channel.  So, I will ask here, "Where are the ndiswrapper and pppoe apps on 8.04?
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> deb: linux-ubuntu-modules or something like that
[21:43] <mado> this thing didn't really work as planned ... -> Adding the Repositories
[21:43] <deb> Does the install load them or do I need to go to the CD?
[21:44] <administrateur> no
[21:44] <deb> No?
[21:44] <DarkriftX> ok, in the ossxmix if i turn down the "internal speakers" the headphones are working but speakers are off, and vice versa... so i know it can work. How can i tell the OS to auto turn off the speakers when headphones are inserted? anyone know (using OSS)
[21:44] <administrateur> i don't think
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> deb: should be on the CD if not inthe default install
[21:45] <deb> Thanks, will take a look.
[21:45] <deb> Bye.
[21:45] <jpatrick> cya deb
[21:46] <algyz> DarkriftX:  try to ask in #oss :)
[21:46] <DarkriftX> ahhh, nice
[21:46] <jpatrick> mado: well, run that command to update the package lists and do: "sudo apt-get upgrade" to update your system
[21:46] <DarkriftX> 5 ppl in there :S
[21:46] <mado> ok ... i will do that again and show you the error
[21:47] <administrateur> how can i dual-boot kubuntu and xp on a pc ? please help !
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> !dualboot
[21:47] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[21:47] <mado> :)
[21:47] <jpatrick> mado: if it's several lines, please use pastebin
[21:47] <jpatrick> !paste
[21:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:47] <mado> jpatrick, ... i will :)
[21:47] <sscano> grub, lilo!!!
[21:47] <administrateur> i don't works
[21:47] <administrateur> it don't works
[21:48] <algyz> administrateur:  sudo apt-get install startupmanager
[21:49] <mado> oh yeah ...
[21:49] <mado> now i remember ...
[21:49] <mado> the problem was ...
[21:49] <_Angelus_> guys..
[21:49] <_Angelus_> where is the kubuntu release shedule?
[21:49] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: hey
[21:49] <mado> that it took a long time to load ... and it didn't say 100%
[21:50] <jpatrick> mado: try: "sudo apt-get update"
[21:50] <mado> i guess it was just a "connecting a server"-problem
[21:50] <jpatrick> _Angelus_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:50] <administrateur> this is a very ininterresant discussion
[21:50] <mado> i did jpatrick ... and it worked perfectly
[21:51] <jpatrick> mado: now: "sudo apt-get upgrade" :)
[21:51] <mado> i just installed the updates via "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:51] <mado> :)
[21:51] <jpatrick> ah, cool :)
[21:51] <FastPutty> hello i am new in KDE evironement and wonder how can i change my screen resolution thanks you!
[21:51] <mado> right-click on desktop?
[21:52] <FastPutty> and?
[21:52] <mado> the thing above "change the user" ... i don't know what it is called in english
[21:53] <FastPutty> ok and?
[21:53] <administrateur> can't you speak french ?
[21:53] <jpatrick> FastPutty: K-Menu -> System Settings -> Monitor and Display
[21:53] <jpatrick> !fr | administrateur
[21:53] <ubotu> administrateur: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:53] <mado> FastPutty, ... jpatrick helps you out
[21:53] <mado> looks like there is a ubuntu-channel for nearly every language :)
[21:54] <jpatrick> !channels | mado
[21:54] <ubotu> mado: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[21:54] <mado> jpatrick, ... can you also help me so that my soundcard works?
[21:54] <jpatrick> !sound | mado - try seeind if these pages help
[21:54] <FastPutty> jpatrick : i cannot ind monitor and display inthe system in the kmenu
[21:54] <ubotu> mado - try seeind if these pages help: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:54] <mado> the problem is ... the speaker-symbol has an X button
[21:55] <mado> there was a command to show you what soundcard you have
[21:55] <jpatrick> FastPutty: System Settings? it's in the third row
[21:56] <mado> i can remember something with "grep"
[21:56] <jpatrick> mado: lspci | grep "audio"
[21:56] <algyz> mado:  lspci
[21:56] <mado> yeah i guess that was it ...
[21:57] <mado> oh ... a pity ... the command doesn't give me an output
[21:57] <mado> even sudo didn't help
[21:58] <jpatrick> hmm, then it can't find a card..
[21:59] <mado> i remember someone saying that it is a card where you have to use "make" and "install" commands ...
[21:59] <mado> wait a sec ... i have an idea ...
[22:00] <rickest> mado: lspci | grep -i audio
[22:00] <mado> i will install wine ... and use "siw" ... this tool tells you some nice things about your computer
[22:00] <jpatrick> mado: I suggest reading the pages above, may be a tad easier
[22:00] <chemist109> quit
[22:00] <chemist109> oops
[22:00] <mado> rickest, ... that was the trick ...
[22:00] <mado> we forgot to use "-i"
[22:01] <mado> it says ... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:02] <jpatrick> mado: aha, so it does find something!
[22:02] <jpatrick> mado: check what KMix says (Menu -> Multimedia)
[22:02] <mado> yeah jpatrick ... we forgot "-i" in the command
[22:02] <mado> how do i find out what kmix says?
[22:02] <mado> i started it
[22:03] <mado> next?
[22:03] <mado> :)
[22:03] <jpatrick> check if anything's mute or what level the volume's at
[22:04] <mado> i told you before that the speaker-symbol is shown with a white X on red background
[22:04] <algyz> mado:  use alsamixer
[22:04] <mado> so there is no way to change the volume :)
[22:04] <jpatrick> mado: never seen that before..
[22:04] <mado> algyz, ... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[22:05] <Kr|ptiX> how do i open ports ?
[22:05] <mado> wait a second !
[22:06] <mado> here ...
[22:06] <mado> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[22:06] <mado> when i scroll down the page ...
[22:06] <mado> to look for my notebook ... i find these two pages ...
[22:06] <mado> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SigmaTel
[22:06] <mado> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonLeighton
[22:07] <mado> and i remember the "sig
[22:07] <mado> "sigmatel"-thing
[22:07] <mado> it was on a windows-drivers-cd
[22:08] <mado> oh ... a pity ...
[22:08] <mado> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists.
[22:08] <jpatrick> hm, never heard of it before
[22:09]  * jpatrick goes off to bed, night everyone!
[22:09] <mado> good night jpatrick
[22:09] <jpatrick> mado: good night and good luck!
[22:09] <mado> thank you :)
[22:11] <Kr|ptiX> does any1 know how to open ports ?
[22:11] <Claybrain145> Build more docks?
[22:12] <siofwolves> when i shutdown/logoff/reboot etc, my system freezes. i can use alt+sys req rseiub to shutdown safely. shutdown +h now in a terminal works fine. i'm using kde 3.5.8.
[22:16] <charwood> Kr|ptiX: In what sense?  Programattically?  On your firewall?
[22:16] <ddurham> I just upgraded to the kubuntu 8.04 beta, and eclipse stopped working (with about 3 different JVMs), anyone else seeing this issue?
[22:17] <Kr|ptiX> charwood: firewall im tryn to open port 6667
[22:17] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing is closed by default
[22:17] <Daisuke_Ido> forward it in your router
[22:19] <sourcemaker> should I start hdparm at boot time?
[22:24] <myk_> /join
[22:28] <myk_> hey. how do i make samba load when i boot up? As it stands, i have to run /etc/init.d/samba start  when i boot
[22:28] <nickv111> Hello, everyone
[22:29] <nickv111> My friend and I were trying to hook up a VGA monitor to my laptop recently, and put all of the settings back to normal after we were done. However, my KDE background is solid blue, and I cannot change it
[22:29] <sercik> hi! someone?
[22:29] <nickv111> I've gone to System Settings and tried numerous things, as well as trying xsetroot
[22:29] <nickv111> Nothing has worked, and it's still just a solid blue background. Any ideas?
[22:29] <jpatrick> !someone | sercik
[22:29] <ubotu> sercik: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[22:30] <sercik> problem with wireless on my acer 5920g
[22:30] <sercik> in ifconfig i see wlan0 but it seems not working
[22:31] <nickv111> sercik: Do you see anything like ath0 or the like?
[22:31] <nickv111> sercik: Often wlan0 is not the interface you want to use.
[22:31] <nickv111> Ah, wait.
[22:31] <nickv111> I believe I was thinking wifi0
[22:31] <sercik> i see wlan0 and wmaster0
[22:31] <nickv111> Anyway. . . Why does it not appear to be working?
[22:32] <sercik> the strange is that in ubuntu it works perfectly out of the box
[22:32] <sercik> but in kubuntu don't
[22:32] <nickv111> Odd.
[22:32] <sercik> also button to enable or disable works in ubuntu
[22:33] <sercik> some ideas?
[22:33] <kernco> How do I add a path for the applications that appear in the KDE4 menu?
[22:34] <charwood> Kr|ptiX: I don't know about firewall, sorry.  (And sorry I took a bit to respond)  I didn't think that ubuntu came with a firewall installed.
[22:34] <nickv111> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-linux&m=115758887106759&w=2
[22:34] <nickv111> I did find htat
[22:34] <nickv111> that*
[22:34] <nickv111> Perhaps I will try it. BRB.
[22:35] <unix_infidel> anyone here use picasa?
[22:35] <unix_infidel> looking to find out what kinda memory / processor footprint it has.
[22:37] <sercik> help to configure wireless?
[22:38] <nickv111> Yep, that worked. Apparently, it was just a troubled section in my kdesktoprc
[22:43] <sourcemaker> is there a meta package available to install kde full?
[22:43] <sourcemaker> I am using hard beta
[22:43] <sourcemaker> hardy beta
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-desktop
[22:44] <sercik> please someone have a intel pro wireless working on kubuntu?
[22:46] <myk_> i have blacklisted two modules, ssb and b43, however ssb still loads on startup and must manually be stopped before ndiswrapper will work.. Why is this module still loading?
[22:47] <nones> hola
[22:47] <kaminix> Is there any good program out there to try and read pdf's consisting of images to turn into text pdfs?
[22:47] <nones> alguien me puede ayudar
[22:47] <nones> es un canal sobre kubuntu aki????
[22:47] <jussi01> !es
[22:47] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:48] <nones> ok
[22:48] <nones> no problem
[22:48] <nones> but that was spanish lol
[22:49] <nones> ok
[22:49] <nones> so can any 1 help me
[22:49] <jussi01> !ask
[22:49] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:49] <nones> i was trying to install kubuntu but
[22:49] <nones> it does start but when i clcick on install now
[22:50] <nones> ay appears a message taht say: YOUR CPU DOES NOT SUPPORT LONG MODE: USE A 32 BIT DISTRIBUTION
[22:51] <PhilRod> are you trying to install 64-bit kubuntu on a 32-bit cpu?
[22:51] <nones> I DON´T NOW
[22:51] <nones> sorry
[22:51] <jussi01> nones: it sounds that way
[22:51] <hellhound> does anyone know what I can test to find out why one of my computers with kubuntu is running so slow?
[22:51] <jussi01> nones: are you on the live cd now?
[22:51] <nones> the 1 i got say kubuntu 7.10 desktop amd 64
[22:52] <nones> that
[22:52] <jussi01> nones: and what pc do you have?
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: yeah... run ctrl+esc and see what is using the most CPU/RAM
[22:52] <nones> i have a frankestien
[22:52] <nones> lol
[22:52] <nones> is a compak evo
[22:52] <nones> compaq evo
[22:52] <jussi01> nones: need a little more info than that...
[22:52] <nones> like???
[22:52] <jussi01> nones: how old is it?
[22:52] <nones> intel pentium 4
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> you need i386 for that one
[22:53] <nones> i got that also
[22:53] <nones> but is to big
[22:54] <SlimeyPete> too big? O.o
[22:54] <SlimeyPete> it shpuld be CD-sized
[22:54] <nones> and can`t record it on tha dvd for some reason
[22:54] <SlimeyPete> *should
[22:54] <nones> that is the problem
[22:54] <nones> i can find  cds that size
[22:54] <nones> all i got r for 700 mb
[22:54] <SlimeyPete> hang on, is it the CD iso or the DVD one?
[22:54] <nones> i got both
[22:54] <nones> on my desk
[22:54] <SlimeyPete> the CD iso is 700MB.
[22:55] <nones> i burned the cd ISO
[22:55] <nones> NOP
[22:55] <SlimeyPete> if your burning software says otherwise, it's wrong.
[22:55] <nones> O THAT
[22:55] <nones> YES
[22:55] <nones> YES
[22:55] <nones> AND I KNOW IS THAT ONE CAUSE I CAN RUN IT FROM THE COMPUTER
[22:55] <nones> FROM MY DESK
[22:56] <SlimeyPete> please don't shout
[22:56] <nones> BUT I WAS TRYING TO GET READ OF WINDOWS AND ISTALL IT BUT IT APPEARS THE MESSAGE I TOLD YOU
[22:56] <nones> sorry
[22:56] <SlimeyPete> right... and the CD iso you have is for i386? Or amd64?
[22:57] <nones> look let me slow down a bit and explain
[22:57] <SlimeyPete> ok.
[22:57] <nones> the second on is the one i burned
[22:57] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: nothing seems to be really being used
[22:58] <nones> and thats the one that when i try to install a message appears that say:
[22:58] <SlimeyPete> the second one? the amd64 one?
[22:58] <nones> yes
[22:58] <nones> that on
[22:58] <SlimeyPete> right, that's why it doesn't work
[22:58] <SlimeyPete> you don't have an amd64 system.
[22:58] <nones> i can run it from my desk
[22:58] <nones> ????
[22:58] <nones> nice question
[22:58] <nones> and i have no clow
[22:58] <SlimeyPete> pentium 4 is not amd64.
[22:58] <nones> clue
[22:58] <SlimeyPete> pentium 4 is i386
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: did you sort it by CPU use?.... click on the top of the CPU usage list to sort by cpu usage
[22:59] <nones> i have a pentium intel 4
[22:59] <nones> how do i get to know that??
[22:59] <SlimeyPete> right, for a pentium 4 you must use the i386 iso.
[22:59] <nones> mmm
[23:00] <nones> that is a big problem cause i can burn that in a dvd
[23:00] <SlimeyPete> the amd64 iso requires a 64-bit processor to work properly, you see. Your processor is 32-bit.
[23:00] <nones> ok
[23:01] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: yes i did sort it... ksysguard is using the most at about 10% but it changes to 1.49 or zero the only thing else using is d3lphin
[23:01] <nones> well so is there any way to force the recording into de dvd i got??
[23:01] <nones> i got a dvd of 4.7 Gb from sony
[23:01] <nones> does that help??
[23:01] <JohnFlux> hellhound: what's the problem?
[23:01] <nones> so you can help me
[23:02] <JohnFlux> hellhound: ah running slo
[23:02] <JohnFlux> w
[23:02] <SlimeyPete> nones: so hang on, how big is the i386 iso file you downloaded?
[23:02] <JohnFlux> hellhound: if you run 'top' on the console, what does it say your load average is?  (top right numbers)
[23:02] <nones> 4.
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: what about RAM usage?
[23:02] <nones> 4.27 Gb
[23:02] <nones> thats the one i got
[23:03] <hellhound> JohnFlux: it is just running much much slower than my other computers... everything from typing in the terminal (delay of 1-3 seconds from when I type) to clicking on menus (delay of 1-5 seconds to open the menu)
[23:03] <JohnFlux> hellhound: well try out what I suggested
[23:03] <nones> and it took about 12 hrs to down load since last night untill late this morning
[23:03] <SlimeyPete> hmmm, it really should just work, nones. It's small enough to fit. What software are you using to burn it?
[23:03] <nones> nero
[23:03] <hellhound> JohnFlux: the load average is 3.28 2.14 1.69
[23:03] <SlimeyPete> how odd. I can burn it in nero, onto a standard DVD.
[23:04] <JohnFlux> hellhound: hmm I thought so
[23:04] <nones> but it doesnt reconize de dvd on the burner
[23:04] <SlimeyPete> nones: ah. I think you may have to make sure nero is in dvd mode.
[23:04] <nones> is nero 8
[23:04] <JohnFlux> hellhound: that roughly means that the processes are demanding 3 cpu's worth of processing
[23:05] <nones> and is a real hasle
[23:05] <nones> nasty
[23:05] <JohnFlux> hellhound: which is high :-D
[23:05] <nones> just cant get it
[23:05] <nones> can you guide me please
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> nones: try http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm  . It is free and I have used it before.
[23:05] <JohnFlux> hellhound: since it's not a process doing this, I can only assume it's a kernel driver
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> it seemed to work OK.
[23:05] <nones> ok
[23:05] <nones> let me see
[23:05] <hellhound> JohnFlux: how is that so?  it is really not doing anything but serving as a file server, with very little demand on it
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> nones: oh wait, only if you have vista
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> nones: it doesn't support DVDs under xp, damn.
[23:06] <JohnFlux> hellhound: and I don't really know how to advise you.  Google for  'high load average' 'no programs'   or some such
[23:06] <JohnFlux> hellhound: it's a fairly common problem, but I don't know the solution
[23:06] <JohnFlux> hellhound: if you find out more, let me know please so that I can advise the next person :)
[23:07] <SlimeyPete> nones: I'm not sure about Nero 8, but I that when you start Nero 7 you have to select between DVD and CD - the main menu has two "modes". You need to make sure that it's in DVD mode.
[23:08] <sourcemaker> is there a kde meta package for all kde components? kdebase. kdegames, kdedevelop and so on?
[23:08] <nones> it also say something about 64 bit
[23:08] <nones> and as i understood i have 32 bit am i right??
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: whats your current RAM usage?
[23:08] <SlimeyPete> nones: you are
[23:09] <meeero> hi, it's about 7.10, a fresh-install. nvidia-settings tell me that the monitor supports max. 1024x768 when set to auto, but i can manually override it to 1280x1024 and even more. it's a huge monitor and DPMS seems to tell the software that no more than 1024x768 is possible
[23:09] <meeero> well, the problem now is that i can override it using xrandr or nvidia-settings, but kde sets the resolution back to 1024x768 at every startup, any ideas?
[23:10] <nones> ok
[23:10] <nones> ok
[23:10] <meeero> the monitor-settings in kcontrol can't set more than 1024x768, so i guess it's because of this
[23:10] <nones> then i have anther problem cause i have win xp
[23:10] <nones> i know
[23:10] <nones> please dont get mad
[23:10] <nones> sorry for the trouble
[23:10] <nones> i am slow
[23:10] <SlimeyPete> heh, it's no problem
[23:11] <nones> new on this and i want to learn
[23:11] <meeero> they also seem to show a wrong frequency, 50hz is max. in kcontrol, but nvidia-settings say that about 100 is possible
[23:11] <nones> sorry for the inconvient slimeypete
[23:11] <SlimeyPete> nones: ah, hang on a moment, I have another idea
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> meeero: you have the nvidia driver installed, and are currently using them?
[23:12] <meeero> yes, nvidia is in Xorg
[23:12] <meeero> loaded and working successfully
[23:12] <nejode> meeero: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg??
[23:12] <SlimeyPete> nones: get imgburn from http://www.imgburn.com/   it is free and I am pretty sure it does dvd
[23:12] <meeero> sorry, but what would that change?
[23:12] <meeero> i mean, i can try it
[23:13] <nones> i did daown load the other one
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> meeero: you can add resolutions
[23:13] <nones> and it suppose to be installed by now but i dont see it any where
[23:13] <SlimeyPete> nones: I don't think isorecorder will work for DVDs because you don't have vista
[23:13] <nejode> meeero: there's a part where it asks you to choose your prefered resolution
[23:13] <nones> and i can assure you that is not because i am torpe
[23:13] <SlimeyPete> nones: so I think you can forget about isorecorder. imgburn should work though.
[23:13] <nones> ok
[23:14] <nones> lets see
[23:15] <meeero> but i could manually add these lines?
[23:16] <nejode> meeero: make a backup copy of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and run the command...
[23:16] <nejode> ...if something goes wrong you can always use your backup copy
[23:16] <meeero> it asks a lot of questions, i'm not sure about every single one and the current config is not really a help to determine the current settings, i'll try to add the lines manually first, backup created of course
[23:17] <meeero> the problem now is, it says:
[23:17] <meeero> Modes      "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[23:17] <meeero> and Option         "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0; 1280x1024 +0+0"
[23:17] <cptR3D> can someone help me with mounting a usb harddrive with ntfs on it?
[23:17] <meeero> so 1280x1024 is already the preferred choise
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> meeero: erase that Option metamodes line
[23:18] <meeero> it's about kde then, it lowers the resolution because it thinks, 1024x768 is the maximum, i can't set more in kcontrol
[23:18] <nones> ok i got a lot
[23:19] <nejode> meeero: that must be because of the sync values of the monitor
[23:20] <siofwolves> cptR3D, do you know what name kubuntu has gave to your usb drive ? /dev/sd?
[23:20] <nejode> meeero: do you have the specs of your monitor?
[23:21] <nones> ok would i choose the one that say DATA DVD or VIDEO DVD or DATA HD-DVD? to record the kubunt i386???
[23:21] <SlimeyPete> DATA DVD
[23:21] <nones> ok
[23:22] <Jucato> huh?
[23:22] <nones> lets see
[23:22] <Jucato> "to record the kubuntu i386"?
[23:22] <hellhound> JohnFlux: ok i am having difficulty trying to find anything in google, but those numbers seem to match what other people have where the support says that it is fine... my numbers are now 1.04, 1.29, 1.47 and still running slow
[23:22] <cptR3D> duude i totally just figured it out
[23:22] <cptR3D> siofwolves: thx ne way
[23:22] <nones> let you know
[23:22] <Jucato> nones: what do you mean to record?
[23:22] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: he has the DVD i386 iso
[23:22] <SlimeyPete> nero 8 won't burn it for him
[23:22] <SlimeyPete> so I told him to use imgburn
[23:22] <siofwolves> cptR3D, np
[23:23] <SlimeyPete> hopefully that will work better.
[23:23] <Jucato> nones, SlimeyPete: you don't create a Data DVD from an ISO. otherwise it will just burn an .iso file unto the DVD
[23:23] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: eh?
[23:23] <Jucato> There should be an option there like "Burn Image"
[23:23] <SlimeyPete> imgburn should burn the iso as a disc image
[23:23] <SlimeyPete> because disc images are all that imgburn does
[23:23] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: nero told him it was too big for the DVD
[23:24] <Jucato> oh
[23:24] <SlimeyPete> which suggests to me that nero is broken in some way
[23:24] <Jucato> SlimeyPete: imgburn calls it "Data DVD"?
[23:24] <SlimeyPete> yes. It can burn data or video images you see.
[23:24] <SlimeyPete> or HD DVD images, apparently O.o
[23:24] <SlimeyPete> but it does burn them as images, not files.
[23:25] <Jucato> weird and confusing name :)
[23:25] <nones> ok
[23:25] <nones> i couldnt do it
[23:26] <SlimeyPete> why not?
[23:26] <nones> it appear that for some reason the drive dont detect the dvd
[23:27] <SlimeyPete> nones: does your drive normally burn DVDs OK?
[23:27] <nones> this is the first time iam trying to
[23:28] <nones> this is a combo cd-dvd burner
[23:28] <hellhound> does anyone else know what I can test to find out why one of my computers with kubuntu is running so slow?  Top does not appear to show anything of high usage.. but everything from typing to clicking on menus is delayed 1-5 seconds
[23:28] <SlimeyPete> nones: oh. I think your drive is not working properly for some reason. Or maybe the disc is broken. Are you sure it is a DVD burner, and not a CD burner with a DVD *reader*?
[23:28] <nones> mmmm
[23:29] <nones> i see
[23:29] <SlimeyPete> nones: it is common to have a combo drive that reads DVD and CDs but only writes CDs.
[23:29] <nones> that is the nasty reallity
[23:29] <nones> that is my case
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: what is your memory usage? use "free -m" to tell you
[23:29] <nones> so i am stock on this nasty win xp
[23:29] <SlimeyPete> ok, if you can only burn CDs then you need to download the CD ISO: http://softlibre.unizar.es/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/gutsy/kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[23:29] <nones> oo
[23:29] <SlimeyPete> it is 700MB and will fit on a CD.
[23:29] <nones> then theres a solution
[23:29] <nones> let me download that
[23:30] <SlimeyPete> ok. It should work :)
[23:30] <nones> is it complete as well as the other??
[23:30] <charwood> hellhound: Not an expert, but your slowness could be from the hard drive, not the processor.  This can happen if for some reason DMA is turned off.  To check this, open a konsole and type: "sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda1" (replace sda1 with your drive)
[23:30] <SlimeyPete> it has the whole Kubuntu system on it. It does not have as much software but you can easily download the software you need from the internet - it is all automated and very easy to do.
[23:30] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: it shows total 1011 used 890 free 121
[23:31] <SlimeyPete> most people use the CD iso
[23:31] <nones> nice
[23:32] <nones> thank you very much
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: is that from the second line of the output?
[23:32] <nones> hard to find peopple like you
[23:32] <SlimeyPete> nones: no problem, I am happy to help.
[23:32] <Jucato> yeah.. it's hard to find slimey people :)
[23:32] <SlimeyPete> heh
[23:32]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[23:32] <SlimeyPete> not if you carry around a bucket of slime wherever you go
[23:33] <charwood> nosrednaekim: This will sound like a dumb question, but bear with me.  (-8  Is the cache column on free -m the actual amount of your memory used by the kernel for cache (i.e. memory that could be considered free?)
[23:33] <nones> thanks
[23:33] <nones> i have another problem
[23:34] <nones> can`t down load the page
[23:34] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: Mem: total = 1011  used=890  free=121 shared=0  buffers=59  cached=722     -/+buffers cached: used=108 free=903    Swap: total=996 used=0 free=996   that is everything it had
[23:34] <Jucato> !ram | charwood
[23:34] <ubotu> charwood: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> charwood: no... the +/- buffers/cache is the ACTUAL memory usage not counting the cache
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: hrm.. you are good int hat department
[23:34] <nones> forget it
[23:35] <nones> it is down loading some how
[23:35] <nones> ther is a God
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> heh
[23:35] <nones> thank you very much
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> no problem.
[23:35] <nones> i have been trying with this for 2 weeks finally i can se a nice way to do it
[23:36] <nones> so this is gonna take awhile right??
[23:36] <SlimeyPete> yes, it will take a while to download
[23:36] <nones> to download?
[23:36] <SlimeyPete> it is quite big, though it is nowhere near as big as the DVD
[23:36] <SlimeyPete> so it should download faster than the DVD did.
[23:36] <nones> thank you again and i let you know
[23:36] <SlimeyPete> :)
[23:37] <nones> yes is about 3 hrs or less
[23:37] <nones> nice very nice
[23:37] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: that is good memtest did not reveal anything either.... at first someone thought it was the mouse, but I replaced that without any real help... also this computer is a file server using samba and when a desktop tries to access it... it is also very slow
[23:37] <nones> there is my mail in case you wanna stay in touch with a very torpe guy on this matter
[23:37] <nones> joderecho@yahoo.com
[23:37] <charwood> On a memory related question in KDE System Guard, are VmSize and VmRss equivalent to Memory Used and Memory Used - Cache respectively?
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: thats really odd, You really shouldn't have to do this,but does rebooting fix it?
[23:38] <charwood> hellhound: Did you check the DMA on your hard drive?
[23:38] <hellhound> nosrednaekim: no i have tried rebooting several times
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> charwood: not sure..... I think VmSize the correct one to go by though
[23:40] <hellhound> charwood: i am getting /dev/sdc1: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument when I type sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdc1
[23:40] <dorkface> I am curious about something.  Can one have a desktop environment like KDE, but not use Kwin as the window manager, but some other one, like awesome?
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: yes
[23:41] <charwood> dorkface: You can use beryl or compiz as your window manager instead.
[23:41] <dorkface> ah, cool
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: just run "awesome --replace"
[23:41] <Jucato> dorkface: general info: <apt> You can change the window manager used by KDE with the $KDEWM environment variable. See http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/
[23:41] <Jucato> for Compiz, it's a bit different, but basically the same
[23:41] <charwood> Is "awesome" an actual window manager?
[23:42] <Jucato> charwood: yeah... weird eh? :P
[23:42] <Jucato> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[23:42] <charwood> Huh.  Sounds... awesome.
[23:42] <Koji-Murasame> Anyone having/had issues with their video card in the Kubuntu Hardy Beta?
[23:42] <Jucato> Koji-Murasame: #ubuntu+1 please
[23:43] <dorkface> Yeah, i'd be nice to have a window manager with the ability to be used completely by keyboard by default
[23:43] <Jucato> dorkface: Alt+Tab doesn't work?
[23:43]  * Jucato notes that KWin has a lot of manipulation keyboard shortcuts...
[23:43] <dorkface> Jucato: that's all a window manager does?
[23:43] <dorkface> I thought it did more
[23:44] <Jucato> dorkface: what are you referring to?
[23:44] <dorkface> like, binding a specific key to "raise" a specific program
[23:44] <Jucato> aaah
[23:45] <kdedev> hi
[23:45] <Jucato> if you mean "a specific program", then no... KWin doesn't seem to have that (you have cycle through Alt+Tab)
[23:45] <dorkface> yeah
[23:45] <Jucato> (although in KWin 4 the expose function allows you to start typing)
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: yes,you can bind keys to applications
[23:46] <dorkface> I'd like to bind a key so that, no matter what I am doing, I can press, say, F10, and the konsole window will "raise" and come into focus
[23:46] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: to raise them?
[23:46] <Jucato> oh wait yeah
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> yep
[23:46] <Jucato> dorkface: lol sorry you can do that :)
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> you can do ANYTHING
[23:46] <dorkface> Jucato: haha
[23:46]  * Jucato headdesks
[23:47] <Jucato> you can do that perfectly in kwin... and I've been doing it in the past but I've forgotten hehehe
[23:47] <charwood> dorkface: System Settings->Keyboard and Mouse->Command Shortcutes
[23:47] <Jucato> charwood: nope not that way
[23:47] <charwood> Jucato: Why not?
[23:47]  * Jucato used to bind Win+T to Konsole.. but stopped doing that since Yakuake
[23:47] <Jucato> charwood: what he's trying to do can't be setup from there
[23:47] <Jucato> I mean what he wants to do
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> charwood: right click on the window border->preferences
[23:48] <Jucato> dorkface: Alt+F3 or right-click on the window title bar -> Advanced -> Special Application Settings
[23:48] <dorkface> Jucato: ok, there :)
[23:48]  * Jucato glances at nosrednaekim... "Preferences"?... you're doing GNOME-talk P
[23:48] <Jucato> Preferences tab yes :D
[23:48] <kdedev> smile, you are being recorded!
[23:49] <cuznt> :)
[23:49] <vistalite> Jucato: i am running a mix of gnome and kde
[23:49] <vistalite> D:
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> configure window behavior
[23:49] <vistalite> its called windows vista  :)
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> yeah... :)
[23:50] <dorkface> Jucato: I don't see where I can bind what I want to a key
[23:51] <Jucato> dorkface: Alt+F3 or right-click on the window title bar -> Advanced -> Special Application Settings -> Preferences tab -> Shortcut
[23:51] <dorkface> Jucato: That will just "raise" it, it won't instanciate another session of konsole?
[23:51] <Jucato> yep
[23:52] <dorkface> dorkface: sweet
[23:52] <dorkface> doh,
[23:52] <Jucato> talking to ourself now, are we? :)
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> nosrednaekim: hey there
[23:53] <Jucato> dorkface: alternatively... you can always use Yakuake instead... :)
[23:53] <vistalite> Jucato:  how come i always think you can do more on xp than on kubuntu am i indoctrinated/
[23:53] <vistalite> ?
[23:53] <dorkface> Jucato: is that a terminal program?
[23:53] <vistalite> D:
[23:53] <vistalite> dorkface: hai2u
[23:53] <Jucato> dorkface: yes. it's a Quake-like terminal
[23:53] <usuario_> hola
[23:54] <vistalite> :)
[23:54] <vistalite> ketal
[23:54] <vistalite> jejejeje xD
[23:54] <vistalite> !en
[23:54] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[23:54] <vistalite> i know i know D:
[23:54] <dorkface> Jucato: "Quake-like"?  Wow, I'll have to look into it
[23:54] <usuario_> argentina
[23:54] <Jucato> dorkface: it uses an embedded Konsole. so you get Konsole's power :)
[23:54] <vistalite> but RMS is working hard on making esparanto a world language
[23:54] <nosrednaekim> !yakuake
[23:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yakuake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:55] <Jucato> dorkface: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153
[23:55] <usuario_> spañol
[23:55] <Jucato> dorkface: it's in the repos so you can install it and test easily
[23:55] <usuario_> spanish
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> !info yakuake
[23:55] <Jucato> !es | usuario_
[23:55] <ubotu> usuario_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:55] <dorkface> Jucato: test it?  is it in beta?
[23:55] <Jucato> Odd-rationale: !info is still broken it seems
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> Jucato: awww..
[23:55] <Jucato> dorkface: no. test it as in "try it out for yourself"
[23:55] <dorkface> Jucato: ah :)
[23:56] <dorkface> Jucato: DUDE, multiple terminal windows within a window!
[23:57] <Jucato> dorkface: hm?
[23:57] <dorkface> Jucato: http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=29153&file1=29153-1.jpg&file2=29153-2.jpg&file3=29153-3.png&name=Yakuake
[23:57] <dorkface> or maybe its just two sessions
[23:57] <Jucato> dorkface: ah you mean split views? yes
[23:58] <Jucato> Konsole only has that in KDE 4
[23:58] <Jucato> (and even then.. it's a bit.... sucky)
[23:58] <dorkface> Jucato: I'm sold!
[23:58] <Jucato> well not really split "views"... but you get what I mean :)
[23:58] <vistalite> Jucato:  how can i make dolphin look like forklift of osx?
[23:59] <Jucato> forklift?
[23:59] <vistalite> filemanager
[23:59] <vistalite> of osx
[23:59] <kdedev> hi