[00:00] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, 'very very soon' to downtime o'clock. :p
[00:01] <Odd_Bloke> Anyhow, bedtime for me.
[00:01] <Odd_Bloke> Good luck with the downtime. :)
[00:02] <Rinchen> there's one good thing about LP being down... I can catch up on my email!
[00:02] <mpt> *Next month* the offline page will be centered properly.
[00:02] <Rinchen> I was just thinking about that
[00:02] <mpt> It's centered properly in the code that's landing now. :-)
[00:27] <mpt> See, now it's centered!
[00:29] <emgent> :)
[00:35] <stgraber> mpt: you sure the maitenance is over ? :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~stgraber generates a oops here ...
[00:37] <mpt> stgraber, Launchpad is working for people who aren't beta testers
[00:37] <mpt> We're investigating the problem with edge.launchpad.net
[00:37] <stgraber> ok
[00:38] <mpt> As a workaround you could (1) clear your cookies, (2) log in at <https://launchpad.net/+login>, and (3) click the "Disable redirection" button
[00:38] <Fujitsu> The update took a quarter of the time it was meant to!?
[00:39] <Fujitsu> mpt: Or just go to launchpad.net and disable it.
[00:40] <mpt> ah yes, that's an even better idea
[00:41] <Fujitsu> Somebody hasn't updated news.launchpad.net yet...
[00:41] <Fujitsu> Mailing lists are out of beta?
[00:41] <Fujitsu> The featured projects list is getting a bit long...
[00:42] <Fujitsu> Yay, Latest Memberships is actually useful now!
[00:43] <Rinchen> Fujitsu, you're welcome!
[00:43] <emgent> hi Fujitsu :)
[00:44] <Fujitsu> Um, why is there a mailing-list-beta-testers project at all? And, even better, why is there a webcam blueprint? To top it off, it's proposed for some bogus sprint. How interesting.
[00:44] <Rinchen> Fujitsu, we have some dusting and cleaning to due after the rollout 
[00:44] <Rinchen> Fujitsu, we didn't want to remove it before because it would break the beta testers
[00:44] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[00:45] <Fujitsu> Are blueprint-killing features on the roadmap? There's so much blueprint spam these days.
[00:45] <Rinchen> I am a VERY strong supporter of that and have been pushing for some blueprint love 
[00:46] <Rinchen> we're booked out for the next 4 cycles already but I'm hoping to get some time after that dedicated to some blueprint enhancements.
[00:47] <Fujitsu> Have all Blueprint people pbeen reassigned? There seems to have been very little done it lately.
[00:48] <kiko> okay, we're back
[00:48] <kiko> Fujitsu, yeah, they've been retargeted at bugs for 2.0; it will probly change post-July
[00:49] <Fujitsu> kiko: Aha, thanks.
[00:49] <kiko> stgraber, edge is back online now. sorry for the disturbance, once of the appservers didn't want to die.
[00:49] <Fujitsu> Somebody forgot to publish the new feature items on news.l.n?
[00:57] <Rinchen> Fujitsu, it's coming :-D
[00:57] <kiko> Fujitsu, we normally wait until the next morning to do that
[00:57] <kiko> the reason we wait is if there's some showstopper it's nice to not tell everybody to go and use it. :)
[01:00] <Fujitsu> kiko: So there are 404s from the homepage.
[01:00] <kiko> Fujitsu, nice 404s or bad 404s?
[01:01] <warren> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #208051 in launchpad "Old email when I added GPG Key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208051
[01:01] <warren> Error 500 Internal error
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Ah, there aren't any more.
[01:01] <kiko> warren, I think mthaddon is on that (yes?)
[01:02] <mthaddon> kiko, warren: yes, working with the bzrlp team to get the codebrowse working after this deployment
[01:02] <warren> ok thanks, just making sure it wasn't my fault
[01:03] <kiko> warren, never your fault!
[01:03] <warren> you don't know me =)
[01:04] <kiko> warren, you the guy who stepped on the cable to gandwana? it's okay to admit it, mthaddon has gotten over it
[01:04] <mthaddon> ha ha!!
[01:05] <warren> kiko, yes, all the way from Massachusetts.
[01:05] <kiko> shh I'm getting him to confess
[01:05]  * Fujitsu suspects server-favouritism in the LP team.
[01:05] <Fujitsu> gandwana is the only app server ever mentioned.
[01:05] <kiko> we found the culprit!!!
[01:05] <warren> muhahah
[01:05]  * warren has no idea what gandwana is.
[01:06] <kiko> it's our second appserver
[01:06] <kiko> the first one is called gangotri
[01:06] <kiko> the third one is called potassium
[01:07] <kiko> it's funny Fujitsu 
[01:07] <kiko> I think you're right
[01:07] <Fujitsu> I've seen quite a number of references to gandwana.
[01:07] <Fujitsu> But I've only ever seen gangotri in emails.
[01:07] <kiko> because today, when we were bonking after the rollout, gandwana was the only one busted, and yet the only one I got.
[01:08] <Fujitsu> A number of references to gandwana here, that is.
[01:09] <Fujitsu> I was impressed at the short downtime, I must say.
[01:11] <kiko> it was supposed to be a whole 20 minutes shorter :-(
[01:11] <kiko> I asked mthaddon about this on the phone but be says that gandwana is not anybody's favorite
[01:11] <kiko> I am not so sure about that
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Why was the window 2 hours, if you expected it to take 10 minutes?
[01:12] <slangasek> it seems to be murphy's favorite :)
[01:15] <slangasek> well, congrats on successfully overbudgeting the maintenance window so much that I had to come join the channel to make sure this wasn't an aborted upgrade ;)
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> heh
[01:48]  * Hobbsee counts 3 more bug maisl that she didn't want to get
[01:53] <Hobbsee> is launchpad planning to do anything for the developer week?
[02:03]  * beuno wonders if the current mailing list archive can/will be moved to the new LP ones
[03:18] <ubotu> New bug: #208082 in launchpad "There are a number of conf inconsistencies between lazr and zconfig" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208082
[03:18] <ubotu> New bug: #208085 in launchpad "There is no login.edge.launchpad.net" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208085
[04:16] <emgent> hi mark
[04:28] <sabdfl> hi emgent
[04:29] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: stopped holidaying yet?  :)
[04:30] <sabdfl> Hobbsee: alas, yes
[04:30] <Hobbsee> awww
[04:30] <sabdfl> amazing week in jackson, then another in BC
[04:32] <sabdfl> how's life down under?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: pretty good.  lots of uni, etc.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> not enough sleep
[04:33] <Hobbsee> always fun
[04:35] <sabdfl> good point
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #208101 in launchpad "Can't edit e-mail address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208101
[04:35] <sabdfl> and on that note, i should get some sleep :-)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> heh, goodnight
[04:44] <Hobbsee> DUPE!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> that's one of my pet hate bugs.
[04:46]  * Hobbsee marks as such
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #208116 in rosetta "Unreadable plural formula on language page" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208116
[06:05] <poolie> can someone explain the difference between dogfood and edge to me?
[06:05] <poolie> maybe my mail can...
[06:15] <poolie> nup
[06:16] <Fujitsu> poolie: dogfood runs on a different database, and is (I believe) largely for Soyuz devs to test things.
[06:17] <Fujitsu> So it's sort of like staging, except that it doesn't always run on RF, I think.
[06:28] <poolie> thanks
[06:53] <poolie> did the ui for deleting ppa packages go away or move?
[06:53] <poolie> i can't see it anymore in https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[06:54] <jamesh> poolie: I see a "Delete packages" link in the actions menu on my PPA
[06:56] <poolie> i think it used to be there?
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #208126 in launchpad "ui for deleting ppa packages has disappeared!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208126
[07:06] <poolie> i guess ppa builds are slow atm because of the impending hardy release making the builders busy?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> poolie: the ppas are separate
[07:06] <Hobbsee> poolie: someone probably threw a whole bunch of langpacks at them again.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:08] <Hobbsee> poolie: what did you want?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> 36 more langpacks to go, at least from that builder.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> (https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/+builds is always a good candidate to check)
[07:14] <_sebastian_> hi all, I need help from a admin on launchpad, to delete something
[07:15] <_sebastian_> ADMIN
[07:16] <poolie> Hobbsee: well i wanted https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/+builds to build
[07:17] <poolie> _sebastian_: i'll look
[07:18] <_sebastian_> can u del my cleartext email from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/194953/comments/11 ?
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194953 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor resources graphs unstable on window resize" [Undecided,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[07:19]  * Hobbsee flicks some magic switches for poolie
[07:19] <poolie> _sebastian_: what is the problem exactly?
[07:19] <poolie> you want the whole comment deleted?
[07:19] <poolie> oh i see
[07:19] <_sebastian_> ubik replied to my post on launchpad and he left my mail in cleartext
[07:20] <poolie> note that non-logged-in launchpad users (and presumably spam bots) will see "<email address hidden>"
[07:20] <_sebastian_> yes thats what I like to change
[07:21] <_sebastian_> can one of u take the cleartext mail adress out of there
[07:22] <poolie> i mean it's already hidden unless you are logged in
[07:23] <poolie> if you want it deleted entirely can you please open a ticket in answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[07:23] <poolie> i don't have access to change it myself
[07:23] <_sebastian_> uhm I see, sorry for that
[07:23] <Hobbsee> poolie: good, the magic switches still work.
[07:24] <poolie> wow
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hrm?
[07:24] <poolie> i did not realize there was a magic switch for that?
[07:24] <poolie> s/?//
[07:24] <Hobbsee> poolie: there is, but very few people have it.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> poolie: obviously, it can be abused very easily
[07:25] <Hobbsee> poolie: you almost need a duck for it.
[07:25]  * Hobbsee is probably the only non-canonicalite that has access to it.
[07:25] <\sh> wow...mailinglists, filedownloads...you guys really want to beat the shit out of sourceforge.net ... congrats :)
[07:25] <_sebastian_> then this is fine, I thought it is vissible to _all_, thanks alot
[07:26] <Fujitsu> \sh: IMO they win over SF.net by a looong way already.
[07:26] <Fujitsu> The bugtracker is actually not entirely useless.
[07:28] <\sh> Fujitsu: LP needs more projects ... I mean "real long staying, heavy use of infrastructure projects" 
[07:28] <\sh> the only thing I'm missing now is a possibility to get cpu compile time power via shell as sf.net had offered in the past...dunno if they still do
[07:29] <Fujitsu> I believe SF closed down the compile farm some time ago.
[07:29] <poolie> well, you can get it, you just need to use ppas
[07:29] <poolie> now that everyone uses x86 or x86_64 it's not so much needed </troll>
[07:30] <poolie> anyhow it is pretty cool that lists are live
[07:31] <Fujitsu> It's unfortunate that list membership is bound to teams, and all team members can post.
[07:32] <Fujitsu> No announcement lists.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bonus points if you can create an infinite loop by subscribing a list to a list.
[07:32] <Hobbsee> er, a list to itself.
[07:33] <_sebastian_> cu 
[07:33]  * Fujitsu looks up the mass bug editing specs which were due six months ago.
[07:33] <Fujitsu> I could really use them nowadays.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: there was something on the ML about that.
[07:34]  * Fujitsu looks.
[07:34] <Fujitsu> Ich sehe es nicht!
[07:34] <Hobbsee> maybe it's only mass editing dupes. could probably be generalised, though
[07:35] <Fujitsu> Ah, using p-l-b?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:38] <\sh> Fujitsu: lol...learning the german language?
[07:39] <Fujitsu> \sh: I've know it a little for some years. Not sure why I decided to abuse it there.
[07:39] <poolie> \sh, Fujitsu: out of curiousity what would you personally most like fixed/changed in lp?
[07:39] <Fujitsu> The license :P
[07:40]  * Hobbsee raises eyebrows
[07:40] <Hobbsee> what a question
[07:40] <Fujitsu> I'd like release nomination to be fixed. THat's the feature I use most.
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Malone is pretty good on the whole, but there are a few little bugs which make it annoying to work with at times.
[07:45] <\sh> poolie: 1. I would like to use it in our company...2. fix malone to not send out mails of invalid packages in the bug report
[07:45] <Hobbsee> poolie: is that open for anyone to answer?
[07:45] <\sh> poolie: and you need more "scrum management" features in LP :)
[07:46] <jml> Hobbsee: it's not like the channel is moderated :)
[07:46] <jml> Hobbsee: I'd be interested to hear you'd most like fixed.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> jml: i realise that, but i suspected the feedback was actually going to do some good, rather than just cueing random ranting.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hence, wasn't sure who it was open to
[07:47] <jml> Hobbsee: well, if you stick to one thing, it's not ranting :)
[07:47]  * jml demolishes an apple with his bare hands
[07:47] <Hobbsee> jml: i'd like to see a focus on actually fixing bugs for a while, and to really get in touch with what users actually want, rather than what the LP developers think they want.
[07:48] <poolie> Hobbsee: sure
[07:48] <poolie> lol re random ranting
[07:48] <poolie> one-line rants are ok
[07:49] <poolie> i cannot promise i can get anything done but i do try
[07:49] <carlos> morning
[07:49]  * \sh just needs a price for launchpad as box product and an address where to order it ;)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> morning carlos 
[07:49]  * Odd_Bloke would like to know what has changed in a given LP rollout (or know where to find that info if it already exists).
[07:49] <jml> carlos: hello :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: launchpad-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: it doesn't seem to list everything, though.  most of it
[07:49] <jml> Odd_Bloke: *surely* that goes to the web somewhere...
[07:49]  * Odd_Bloke doesn't see anything on there for this release.
[07:49] <Odd_Bloke> *looks again*
[07:50] <poolie> news.launchpad.net?
[07:50] <\sh> planet.ubuntu.com?
[07:50] <Fujitsu> poolie: Aren't you some bzr manager person, not an LP dev, these days?
[07:50] <poolie> https://help.launchpad.net/LaunchpadReleases
[07:50] <poolie> i always have been
[07:50] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen release notes for 1.2.3 anywhere yet.
[07:50] <poolie> but i care about lp too
[07:51] <poolie> \sh: elliot@canonical.com would at least like to hear you say so
[07:51] <Fujitsu> poolie: I thought you might have been an LP dev in a past life, given your membership in ~launchpad.
[07:51] <\sh> https://news.launchpad.net/ -> secure connection failed...or you need to have an exception.....WTF?
[07:51] <jml> Fujitsu: poolie just cares a lot about Launchpad.
[07:52] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, news.launchpad.net seems to be most germane in this case.
[07:52] <\sh> poolie: so I can buy the LP product and install it somewhere else? :)
[07:52] <Fujitsu> Huh, news.launchpad.net worked for me a few hours ago.
[07:52] <poolie> no, i just said you should tell him you want to
[07:52] <Fujitsu> But now it has a bogus cert.
[07:53] <\sh> poolie: oh :) now I got it :)
[07:53] <Odd_Bloke> I'd still like the more detailed not-for-the-average-end-user changelog available _somewhere_.
[07:53] <poolie> Fujitsu: actually i mostly asked cause i'm waiting for my things to build, even with hobbsee fairy dust
[07:53] <jml> Odd_Bloke: the 1.2.2 ones are up. I wonder where the 1.2.3 ones are
[07:54] <Hobbsee> poolie: how long has it been building for now?
[07:54]  * Hobbsee looks
[07:54] <Fujitsu> It'd be very nice to be able to subscribe to the LP pqm to actually see what has changed, but I really can't see that happening.
[07:54] <Hobbsee> oh, ther'es more
[07:55]  * Hobbsee sprinkles more fairy dus
[07:55] <Hobbsee> t
[07:55] <Hobbsee> wonder why they didn't show up the first time
[07:55] <poolie> i made a mistake in my upload
[07:55]  * Fujitsu catches some for future use.
[07:55] <poolie> and i put some more up after you did it the first time
[07:55] <Hobbsee> poolie: ahhh
[07:55] <Hobbsee> poolie: so i'm not going mad, then.
[07:56] <Odd_Bloke> Unless you're imagining this entire conversation...
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: well, i might be doing that.
[07:58] <jml> basil is so good.
[07:58] <jml> why do I write computer programs when I could be growing basil.
[07:59] <Fujitsu> jml: Because you can write programs to program things to grow basil for you. More quickly. Or something.
[08:00] <Odd_Bloke> You can write programs to make money to buy either basil itself or the equipment to grow basil.
[08:00] <Fujitsu> That works.
[08:00] <Odd_Bloke> Also I think you'd have to have a fairly major basil-growing operation before programming and basil-growing became mutually exclusive.
[08:02] <Odd_Bloke> Anyhow, enough of this gay banter, I'm off to Scotland for a week.
[08:04] <jml> have fun
[08:14] <poolie> i think OB has a point there :)
[08:15] <poolie> you could create a programming language called Basil as a poignant reminder of when you actually used to grow it
[08:18]  * mdke kicks LP
[08:18] <Fujitsu> mdke: That's what it's there for.
[08:18] <mdke> I guess everyone is checking out the new features and it's slowed it down?
[08:25] <cprov> poolie: hi, are you sure about bug 208126 ? nothing changed in the code, you and lifeless (team-admin) should be able to see the action link to delete packages in bzr PPA.
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208126 in launchpad "ui for deleting ppa packages has disappeared!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208126
[08:27] <Hobbsee> it shows here
[08:27] <poolie> cprov: i may be going mad
[08:27] <Fujitsu> I was able to see it on staging.
[08:27] <poolie> but, where is the link supposed to be?
[08:27] <poolie> !
[08:27] <poolie> oh
[08:27] <Hobbsee> poolie: left hand panel?
[08:28] <poolie> i think i had logged out from l.n, when helping sebastian with the confidentiality thing before
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Haha, nice.
[08:28] <poolie> so yes, tis invalid
[08:28] <poolie> uh
[08:29] <poolie> i find it confusing (though at another level understandable) that you can be logged in on edge but not on production, or vice versa
[08:30] <Fujitsu> Wasn't SSO targetted to around now?
[08:31] <poolie> i don't know if that fixes it 
[08:32] <Fujitsu> It should, but it appears not to have made 1.2.3...
[08:40] <Fujitsu> poolie: Make bzr faster. kthxbye
[08:41] <Fujitsu> I've been waiting for this (fairly small, but lots of files) branch to checkout over bzr+ssh for well over an hour now...
[08:42] <ubotu> New bug: #191782 in launchpad "Slony1 1.2.13 for hardy? ( postgresql 8.3 capable )" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191782
[08:42] <Fujitsu> What a Launchpad bug.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> I see.
[08:46] <poolie> Fujitsu: is it a knit branch?
[08:46] <poolie> or can you tell me the url, if its public?
[08:46] <Fujitsu> /~fujitsu/ubuntu-cve-tracker/main/
[08:46] <Fujitsu> Got 2.9MiB so far...
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Hmm, the ssh process is sitting in selects for most of the time.
[08:53]  * poolie looks
[08:57] <poolie> Fujitsu: it's an old knit format branch
[08:57] <poolie> if you upgrade it to packs it will be much faster
[08:58] <poolie> (in fact there is a discussion on the list atm about whether we should give a warning to do so)
[08:58] <poolie> Fujitsu: so, um
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Can one merge from pack branches to knit branches, or do I need to get Kees to upgrade the main one as well?
[08:58] <poolie> you can merge
[08:58] <poolie> transparently
[08:58] <poolie> however he'll probably want to upgrade too
[08:58] <Fujitsu> I remember it refused to merge between two branches of different types, but that was a while ago.
[08:59] <poolie> so
[08:59] <Fujitsu> LP can't upgrade it for me, can it?
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Can I upgrade without checking the whole thing out?
[08:59] <poolie> not at the moment
[08:59] <poolie> however, if you file a support request someone can do it as a one-off probably 
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Checking it out will be orders of magnitude faster, I think.
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Thanks for looking at it!
[09:04] <poolie> you're welcome, thanks for asking
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #198310 in soyuz "Distribution Package Search page has duplicate binary package links" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198310
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #199101 in soyuz "Please allow binary PPA->-proposed copying for language packs" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199101
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #203927 in soyuz "Binary package page raising SQLObjectMoreThanOneResultError " [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203927
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #204444 in soyuz "cron.germinate: interpret Task-Seeds in seed headers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204444
[10:01] <warp10> If I open a Mailing List for a team on Launchpad, is it possible to import mailbox files into it, in case I used a ML hosted elsewhere already (for the sake of keeping the whole mail archive in the new LP ML)?
[10:17] <lommetennis> I reported one of those duplicates of the "Tomboy SIGSEGV" bug report (#199496), and so far I have recieved close to a 100 duplicate messages, and they just keep on coming in! As my (duplicate) bug report is not listed as one of my reported bug reports, how am I supposed to find out which duplicate is mine?
[10:18] <poolie> lommetennis: look for the original mail probably
[10:19] <lommetennis> Oooh. That will take a while. Is there no way to do it a bit more elegant through some klunky/nice(?) Launchpad interface?
[10:20] <Fujitsu> lommetennis: You can do an advanced search on the product.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Or, better still, an advanced search on /people/+me/+reportedbugs.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Uncheck the `Exclude duplicates' box.
[10:22] <lommetennis> ok. will try that out. (think I did try out, but perhaps I didn't check the right checkbox)
[10:29] <james_w> Hi, some of the images on launchpad look really low quality at the moment, is that known?
[10:33] <jamesh> james_w: can you be more specific?
[10:33] <james_w> jamesh: sorry, in particular https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution
[10:34] <james_w> the ubuntu and "report a bug" images look bad
[10:34] <james_w> I'm running firefox 3 on hardy
[10:34] <Fujitsu> james_w: Try zooming in and out a bit; you're probably on a strange zoom level.
[10:34] <jamesh> james_w: they look the same as before to me.
[10:35] <james_w> ah yeah, thanks Fujitsu 
[10:35] <james_w> everything looks the same size now, but they are correct.
[10:36] <jamesh> firefox 3 scales images with the text, iirc
[10:36] <james_w> I must have been on 99% zoom or something
[10:38] <lommetennis> finally I was unsubscribed. just un-checking "Hide duplicate bugs" was not enough. I had to check of all the relevant fields as well, in this case "Invalid". Thanks for the help!
[10:39] <Fujitsu> This is why people shouldn't change the status of bugs when they mark them invalid.
[10:39] <Fujitsu> Er, when they mark them as duplicate.
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #208185 in malone "GPG signatures end up as attachments to bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208185
[10:40] <lommetennis> what do you mean with "change status"? Have I done this, or the "Assignee" of the bug?
[10:41] <Fujitsu> lommetennis: Whoever marked it as a duplicate. Very probably not you.
[10:41] <lommetennis> Indeed quite probable :D
[10:46] <lommetennis> ciao
[10:47] <Hobbsee> poolie: i find it more confusing that you can log into edge the first time, yet it doesn't actually take effect until you log in the second time.
[10:49] <Fujitsu> Took two hours to checkout, but it's done! Yay.
[11:52] <doko> kiko-zzz: Add a checkbox "Mark this comment as irrelevant" ;)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Bug 191892
[12:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191892 in soyuz "Unsuperseded binaries can't be deleted from PPAs" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191892 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[12:42] <emgent> heya
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #208228 in blueprint "OOPS rendering blueprint dependency graph. Subprocess couldn't allocate memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208228
[13:22] <ubotu> New bug: #208233 in soyuz "Distribution architecture series binary package raising SQLObjectMoreThanOneResultError" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208233
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #208238 in launchpad "Archive mailing lists automatically on Gmane" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208238
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #208239 in malone "Typo on user +branding pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208239
[14:27] <warp10> If I open a Mailing List for a team on Launchpad, is it possible to import mailbox files into it, in case I used a ML hosted elsewhere already (for the sake of keeping the whole mail archive in the new LP ML)?
[14:39] <salgado> warp10, I don't think that's possible, but barry would be the right person to ask
[14:40] <barry> warp10: not automatically, but it should be something we can do manually.  we haven't actually /done/ it yet, but i think it's possible ;)
[14:40] <warp10> ok, salgado, thank you
[14:41] <warp10> barry: sounds good. A procedure could be opening a request in answer, right?
[14:41] <beuno> barry, how about moving the current archive from lists.ubuntu.com?  :)
[14:41] <beuno> that sounds like something almost everyone would want
[14:42] <barry> warp10: yep
[14:42] <barry> warp10: you'll have to create your lp mailing list first though
[14:42] <warp10> barry: yeah, of course. Ok, thank you very much!
[14:42] <barry> beuno: same thing :)  open a request in answers and that should be something we can do for you.  of course you don't /have/ to move your list from ubuntu.com
[14:43] <barry> warp10: np!
[14:43] <beuno> barry, well, I don't, but this whole LP thing will be magic against spammers  ;)
[14:43] <beuno> so I'm looking forward to having to stop deleting dozens of emails from the queue
[14:44] <barry> beuno: yes, i think lp has some unique abilities to reduce spam and still keep things fairly open
[14:45] <emgent> barry: hi
[14:45] <barry> emgent: hi!
[14:45] <emgent> can i talk with you in query?
[14:45] <emgent> i have new security issue for launchpad
[15:01] <SteveA> hi emgent 
[15:02] <emgent> hi SteveA 
[15:13] <rkerr> hi, i have a branch on launchpad that's been locked since last night and i'm not sure how to unlock it.
[15:19] <rkerr> just run break-lock with the uri i guess?
[15:40] <beuno> rkerr, yeap
[15:43] <rkerr> beuno: thanks. worked :)
[15:43] <fredreichbier> Hello. I have a question: are there some other translator variables like `translator-credits`?
[16:07] <kiko-zzz> doko, yeah
[16:12] <gvy> halo
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 should it be reported somewhere?
 gvy, ask #launchpad
[16:15] <gvy> that's about all of bugreport... bb
[16:32] <stgraber> is it only me or bazaar.launchpad.net is horribly slow today ? (2 minutes to push a 6 lines change)
[16:32] <ubotu> New bug: #151136 in launchpad-documentation "Most links on "BugTrackerDocumentation" page don't work" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151136
[16:32] <fredreichbier> dito stgraber
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #184785 in launchpad-documentation "Images in blog posts have border" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184785
[17:32] <ubotu> New bug: #121664 in launchpad-documentation "news.launchpad.net uses three slightly-different typefaces" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121664
[17:32] <ubotu> New bug: #206137 in launchpad-documentation "there is no page describing key retrieval for using asc files." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206137
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #204377 in soyuz "Help for builds page show explain idle machines" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204377
[18:22] <ubotu> New bug: #208377 in launchpad "Oops updating +contactaddress of a team with mailing list" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208377
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #208386 in launchpad-documentation "The favicon for the help wiki does not display" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208386
[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #208407 in launchpad "Sanitize LaunchpadValidationError callsites" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208407
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #208416 in launchpad "web standarts problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208416
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #208431 in launchpad "OOPS trying to subscribe to inactive mailing list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208431
[20:15] <ubotu> New bug: #208456 in malone "Hibernate fails on HP 530" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208456
[20:19] <jmehdi> hi
[20:20] <jkakar> Is bzr integration (bound branch commit) with LP unusually slow right now or am I just impatient?
[20:20] <jmehdi> I want to upload my code to this project: https://launchpad.net/webstrict/ but bazaar gives me an error:  ERROR: Not a branch: /home/jc/projects/webstrict/bazaar/
[20:21] <beuno> jkakar, just today, they upgraded some stuff and i think it's bisbehaving
[20:22] <beuno> jmehdi, what command are you running?
[20:22] <jmehdi> this one: bzr push bzr+ssh://jmehdi@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jmehdi/webstrict/trunk
[20:23] <beuno> jmehdi, right, run:  bzr status
[20:23] <beuno> and tell me what it says
[20:23] <beuno> it would seem you are not in a branch
[20:23] <jkakar> beuno: Ah, cool, thanks.
[20:23] <jmehdi> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/jc/projects/webstrict/bazaar/, so how can I create a branch ?
[20:24] <beuno> jmehdi, are you in the root directory of what you want to be versioned?
[20:24] <jmehdi> yes
[20:24] <beuno> well, then do:   bzr init
[20:24] <beuno> then: bzr add
[20:24] <beuno> and finally:  bzr commit -m'A nice descriptive message of the start of the project'
[20:24] <LarstiQ> there wasn't prior work?
[20:25] <beuno> jmehdi, also, take a look at: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[20:28] <jmehdi> great tutorial, I was reading that: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching but your page is more easy to understand
[20:30] <beuno> jmehdi, feel free to drop by #bzr if you need more help using it  :)
[20:31] <jmehdi> seems to work now, slow... but in progress :)
[20:32] <beuno> jmehdi, yes, LP has been laggy today
[20:32] <beuno> Rinchen, ^   :p
[20:35] <kiko> beuno, has it?
[20:36] <beuno> kiko, I've seen 4 or 5 complain about it today already
[20:36] <kiko> beuno, about what?
[20:36] <beuno> kiko, LP being extremely slow today
[20:36] <beuno> especially th code hosting
[20:37] <beuno> stgraber complained a few hours back
[20:37] <kiko> beuno, that's kinda subjective -- I know it may be true, but it's hard for me to assess what's wrong
[20:37] <beuno> and someone else, who I don't have in my backlog ATM
[20:38] <beuno> kiko, right, just pointing it out, it seemed odd so many people complained today, and it's been slower for me today too
[20:38] <kiko> beuno, just codehosting?
[20:39] <jkakar> kiko: FWIW, it's taking upwards of 20 minutes to commit a revision to a hosted branch from here.  Normally it's 1 or 2 minutes max.
[20:39] <jkakar> kiko: Pushing branches is also very slow.
[20:39] <beuno> kiko, I haven't used much codehosting today, but bugs have been really slow for me
[20:39] <kiko> hmmm
[20:39] <kiko> it seems normal to me, bugs
[20:39] <LarstiQ> bazaar-vcs.org also seemed slow, could be a fluke or my end
[20:42] <kiko> it's been very fast for me
[20:43] <beuno> :/
[20:43] <beuno> btw, is this normal?    This team's mailing list is active at ubuntu-ar@gandwana.canonical.com. 
[20:44] <Rinchen> beuno, no, it's a bug that we have a fix for
[20:44] <Rinchen> it'll be fixed up later today
[20:44] <Rinchen> beuno, you're only seeing that on edge, correct?
[20:48] <beuno> Rinchen, yeap
[20:48] <beuno> I haven't looked in normal LP
[20:48] <Rinchen> beuno, ok, it'll be fixed up later today I think.
[20:49] <beuno> Rinchen, no hurries, just thought it was a bit odd  :)
[20:49] <Rinchen> beuno, it actually causes a problem if you execute certain ....maneuvers...so we'll get that deployed soon
[20:49] <Rinchen> :-)
[20:50]  * beuno is curious about what "problem" and "maneuvers" would be...
[20:50] <john__> Is this the right place to ask an admin to undo a stupid error on my part? I mixed up two release numbers, and now the old release shows up as most recent.
[20:51] <john__> At <https://launchpad.net/jsonlib>, 1.3.1 should come after 1.3.0.
[20:51] <beuno> btw, Rinchen, you and your fridge-love rock   :)
[20:52] <Rinchen> beuno, thanks. I try when I can get some spare time. Doesn't happen much around here. :-)
[20:54] <beuno> Rinchen, no?  now that the mailing lists are out of beta, I would of thought Launchpad was finished...
[20:54] <Rinchen> lol
[20:54] <Rinchen> kiko, barry ^^
[20:55] <Rinchen> Ok barry you can go home now
[20:55]  * Rinchen laughs.
[20:55]  * barry goes home
[20:56] <barry> Rinchen: sorry was there a question you had forme?
[20:56] <LarstiQ> barry: 21:54:20 < beuno> Rinchen, no?  now that the mailing lists are out of beta, I would of thought Launchpad was finished...
[20:56] <kiko> launchpad isn't finished. my friday is finished. :-(
[20:58] <barry> LarstiQ: ah :)  my work here is done
[22:31] <laga> hello :)
[22:31] <laga> is it possible that bzr pushing to lp is a bit slow at the moment? or is that just my side of things?
[22:31] <beuno> kiko, ^
[22:31] <kiko> laga, a lot of people have said that today; I've emailed the team to see if anybody's up on the weekend to figure it out
[22:31] <beuno> ;)
[22:31] <beuno> kiko, I even have people in facebook with "bzr checkouts are slow today"
[22:31] <kiko> facebook!
[22:33] <laga> "current mood: sad" ;)
[22:33] <laga> kiko: thanks.
[23:01] <blueyed> is bazaar.launchpad.net down? (through ssh)
[23:02] <laga> blueyed: just slow.
[23:02] <laga> very slow. :)
[23:03] <blueyed> laga: well.. I've though it got stuck.. after canceling "bzr", the "ssh" process was still around.
[23:03] <Fujitsu> Ridiculously slow, I'd say. Took 114 minutes to pull down a 12MB knit branch...
[23:04] <Fujitsu> The first time it just hung.
[23:04] <Fujitsu> Like blueyed says.
[23:04] <Fujitsu> I killed it, and it worked the second time.
[23:05] <blueyed> luckily it's a dvcs :p
[23:05] <blueyed> Are there plans to implement something like gittorrent for bzr?
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #208539 in launchpad "Private Blueprints" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208539
[23:10] <laga> blueyed: i did the same.. too bad i was pushing when i CTRL+C'ed it.
[23:11] <laga> blueyed: binding to the branch and running bzr break-lock helps in that case ;)
[23:11] <Rinchen> We're looking into the bzr issues. 
[23:12] <beuno> Rinchen, did you guys deploy bzr 1.3 at the same time of the LP update?
[23:12] <Rinchen> I did find some anomalous log entries and an email has been sent to the right devs
[23:12] <Rinchen> beuno, yes
[23:12] <Rinchen> beuno, that is... we dogfood bzr inside lp
[23:13] <beuno> Rinchen, ah, so it might be a regression in bzr...
[23:13] <beuno> right right, I knew that, just wasn't sure _when_ you guys deployed 1.3
[23:13] <Rinchen> The bzr-LP guys come in on Sunday afternoon UTC so they should have a look then
[23:14] <Rinchen> I found what look like communications errors in the logs but am not smart enough to know why
[23:14] <Rinchen> so, please bear with us.
[23:14] <beuno> Rinchen, might be worth poking some people in #bzr?
[23:58] <sistpoty> hi, I'd like to find out, if haskell-utils was already published on lpia, which page should I look at?
[23:58] <sistpoty> (the most recent upload i.e.)