[00:00] <Amaranth> too late
[00:00] <RAOF> Amaranth: Good morning :)
[00:00] <Amaranth> hey RAOF
[00:00] <Amaranth> no more compiz bug reports for 3 hours!
[00:00] <RAOF> Wooo!
[00:01] <bhsx> bah, kde4 seems really unusable atm....   guess i'll stick to gnome with kde4 apps....  i LOVE the KIO slaves...
[00:01] <bhsx> if gnome had KIO i'd ditch kde completely....
[00:02] <sax891> so, I'm pretty experienced and all, but hardy's got me stumped.  I upgraded yesterday, and lo and behold: Low graphics mode!  I reinstalled the nvidia drivers and everything, did all the xorg dpkg stuff, no luck
[00:02] <RAOF> bhsx: Gnome has gnome-vfs (now GIO).  What is it that KIO does that they don't?
[00:02] <gluer> sax: use envy for hardy
[00:02] <bhsx> although i love konquerer as an ftp/scp
[00:02] <hmuller> sax891: amd64?
[00:02] <Smegzor> hmm!  thats something I haven't tried since 'upgrading'  , KDE :D
[00:03] <bhsx> RAOF: well, i love the pseudo-mounting ability of fish:// for example
[00:03] <bhsx> transparent remote filesystems are A Good Thing
[00:03] <RAOF> bhsx: That'd map to sftp:// URIs in gio, right?
[00:03] <bhsx> i dont know
[00:03] <gaucho> hmuller: all right, it should be my problem. But the bug status is fixed. Once my system is up to date, why I'm having this problem?
[00:03] <bhsx> i've never really used gnome very much
[00:04] <RAOF> bhsx: You get even better with gio - the filesystems you mount are available for non-gvfs apps, too!
[00:04] <sax891> bhsx: I swear by konqueror for web dev
[00:04] <bhsx> i've always been on kde if not fluxbox etc...
[00:04] <Amaranth> fish maps to sftp, basically
[00:04] <bhsx> i'm just starting to use gnome again for the first time since RH5.2
[00:04] <Amaranth> and it does stateful mounts
[00:05] <hmuller> Gaucho: got me.  what's your soundcard, integrated or otherwise?
[00:06] <bhsx> yeah, i think i'm gonna go ahead and keep kde installed but access the apps through gnome... i dont like this new kicker at all
[00:06] <bhsx> brb
[00:06] <hmuller> I like cheerios, metacity, and gnome
[00:07] <sax891> anybody else have xgl / xorg problems with graphics after upgrade? nvidia, btw
[00:07] <gluer> sax: i got flicker random
[00:08] <RAOF> sax891: Oh, you're using Xgl?  Whatever for?
[00:08] <RAOF> gluer: Welcome to the wonderful world of nvidia :(
[00:08] <hmuller> sax891:  8400M GS with no apparent problems here
[00:08] <RAOF> hmuller: You don't run compiz, do you :)
[00:08] <gluer> yeh well, ive had this before and then it was gone in aplha 5 for me
[00:09] <hmuller> RAOF: Haven't ramped it up since the end of the year
[00:09] <gaucho> hmuller: well.. I'm not sure, it's onboard on my asus p5b-plus motherboard. I think it's ADI® AD1988
[00:09] <gaucho> hmuller: my chipset is intel 965p
[00:09] <sax891> RAOF: oh... maybe XGL's the wrong word
[00:09] <RAOF> hmuller: Yeah, then you wouldn't notice any problems (except for abysmal cairo performance, of course).
[00:09] <hmuller> gaucho: that one is out of my league, I'm using intel hda
[00:09] <spiderfire> is there an alternative to the gnome panel?
[00:10] <sax891> spiderfire: if you want a dock, check out avant window navigator
[00:10] <sax891> I just hide my panel
[00:10] <hmuller> RAOF:  guess now that I'm bored after resolving all my minor Hardy issues, I'll have to 'cube' it again.
[00:10] <spiderfire> k thanks
[00:10] <gluer> kiba dock?
[00:11] <sax891> I've never compared kiba and awn
[00:11] <sax891> but awn is awesome, so I have no need
[00:11] <gluer> wtf is cairo?
[00:11] <gluer> a clock?
[00:11] <sax891> yes
[00:11] <sax891> a clock.
[00:12] <gluer> thats it?
[00:12] <gluer> ;-)
[00:12] <ethana2> no
[00:12] <spiderfire> how do i make avm work? i ran it
[00:12] <ethana2> I thought cairo was a pipeline for scalable vector graphic rendering..
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: How are you testing it ? (Be interested to see how XiG performs with it)
[00:13] <thompa> sax891: im using fish sometimes
[00:13] <ethana2> macslow's clock happens to use cairo
[00:13] <spiderfire> is avm loaded at gdm?
[00:13] <ethana2> ..which I understand can be accelerated by OpenGL using glitz
[00:13] <spiderfire> awm i mean
[00:13] <gluer> i loaded it via sessions
[00:14] <spiderfire> how do i get that to work?
[00:14] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: There are a number of tests.  The easiest one being "do the gnome-system-monitor graphs eat a core".
[00:15] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Another one which nvidia fail at is http://blobsallad.se/
[00:16] <RAOF> That blobsalad one is particularly bad.  It's 1-2fps on nvidia, and fluid on nouveau on my laptop.
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> Do I need compiz or not for this ?
[00:16] <RAOF> Doesn't matter.
[00:16] <RAOF> Compiz, metacity, whatever.
[00:17] <ethana2> yarr, evolution data server keeps eating my cpu power
[00:17] <ethana2> i don't even use evolution
[00:17] <ethana2> who does?
[00:17]  * RAOF does.
[00:17] <ethana2> oh
[00:17] <ethana2> I see.
[00:17] <RAOF> It's the least-crap mail client I've found.
[00:17] <hmuller> RAOF:  Maybe I'm just lucky, I'm not seeing any problems with either 3d compiz cubing, nor with cairo.  Give me another test  =)
[00:17] <ethana2> firefox gmail.com
[00:17] <ethana2> oh, AJAX
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> I would prefer to just use pine
[00:18] <RAOF> hmuller: You've tried http://blobsallad.se/ ?  And gnome-system-monitor's graphs?
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> (or alpine) but the garbage sent to me by others means I use evolution for uni mail
[00:19] <hmuller> RAOF:  Resource graphs look fine.
[00:20] <gluer> ok how do i run cairo once its installed
[00:20] <RAOF> hmuller: Oh, yeah.  They _look_ fine.  They don't consume a large portion of CPU time, though?  ~30-40% in X here.
[00:20] <RAOF> And they jerk around a bit :)
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: I would consider that alot considering its for nothing
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> Which version the opengl or sdl ?
[00:21] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: The in-browser one, at the top.
[00:21] <Smegzor> Any idea how long launchpad will be down for?
[00:21] <RAOF> There's a blob you can pick up and throw around.
[00:21] <RAOF> Smegzor: 3 hours.
[00:22] <Pici> #launchpad
[00:22] <Smegzor> I'm trying to solve a bug that prevents me changing my gnome wallpaper.  It only changes when x is restarted
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> anyone upgraded to Hardy
[00:22] <h3sp4wn> Thats fine here with XiG 35 fps
[00:23] <bobbo85> I'm curious as to the pros and cons of Hardy right now, anyone have it installed?
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> thats what i want to know
[00:23] <davisc> Yes - running it at the mo
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> mainly coz i went through hell to get gutsy,
[00:24] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: That's a different X server, right?  With a different nvidia driver?
[00:24] <davisc> Pros: New and shiny
[00:24] <hmuller> RAOF: Ok, The blob salad caused Xorg to start eating 90+% of one of my cpu's.  I think I see what yer talking about.
[00:24] <davisc> Cons: Some stuff may be unstable or require tweaking to get working
[00:24] <Smegzor> Does gnome keep a log?  I looked at several in /var/log but didn't find anything relevant.
[00:24] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Its on a rage mobility with 16MB
[00:24] <davisc> If you're familiar with Ubuntu, it shouldn't be a problem
[00:24] <charles__> whenever I click add/remove apps, I get a window titled "Install multimedia codecs" that is solid gray and doesn't do anything
[00:25] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Oh, you've got better acceleration than nvidia.
[00:26] <E1337> was wanting to know if someone could help me out im trying to set my dns to a certain ip and everytime it does it about 10 mins later it changes back on me?
[00:26] <E1337> is there a auto update or something?
[00:27] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Its the only weak point of this laptop (Just one min and I will try with the quadro if nvidia's marketing is to be believed should be ok)
[00:27] <Meshezabeel> I have a problem with my laptop (7.10 worked fine). When I'm not using my laptop for a minute of so, the screen dims very slightly, then when I move the mouse or type something it dims completely. I then have to turn up the brightness manually. Anyone else having this problem?
[00:28] <Meshezabeel> "Dim screen when Idle" is checked on battery mode.
[00:29] <Smegzor> Since upgrading, I can't connect to network shares shared by 8.04  It asks me to login but rejects my user/pass.  Where do I look to fix that?
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> i had 2 installation on my laptop, i delete the other partition but i am left with 2 swap partitions how do i find out which one i se
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> use
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> so i can delete the other
[00:40] <frank23> jaffarkelshac: look in /etc/fstab
[00:41] <hmuller> jaffarkelshac:  you might also look at swapon -s
[00:41] <Itaku> my vino vnc doesnt connect. why?
[00:41] <Itaku>  main:        unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
[00:43] <lubosz> zup!
[00:43] <travist120> yo
[00:43] <lubosz> do you know how to rebuild the aplications menu?
[00:44] <lubosz> i have some zombie links in there
[00:44] <lubosz> and dublicates
[00:44] <Itaku> lub: right click panel and add menu bar
[00:44] <lubosz> you mean edit
[00:44] <lubosz> yeah, but its a hell of a work
[00:44] <Itaku> add to panel
[00:44] <Itaku> oh wait
[00:44] <Itaku> you wanna add things?
[00:44] <lubosz> no, rebuild the applications menu
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: That works fine with the quadro 1600m (the salad thing)
[00:45] <lubosz> kill all links in there, and do all the usefull links of installed stuff in
[00:45] <Itaku> click revert
[00:45] <Itaku> i yhink
[00:45] <Itaku> think
[00:45] <lubosz> where is revert?
[00:45] <Itaku> system>prefs>main menu
[00:46] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Oh, with the blob?  Crazy.  What core family is the 1600m?
[00:46] <lubosz> Itaku: thx
[00:46] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: based on 8700m (but with the extra quadro stuff)
[00:47] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Right, so it's a nv5x.  They've probably got actual acceleration going for you, then.
[00:47] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Us poor old nv4x users get rubbish performance ;)
[00:47] <Itaku> my vino vnc doesnt connect. why?
[00:47] <Itaku>  main:        unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
[00:48] <Smegzor> I can't change the workgroup in system/administration/shared folders general tab.  When I close it, it reverts back to WORKGROUP.
[00:48] <travist120> Itaku: Do you have permission to connect on the other side?
[00:49] <Itaku> ?
[00:49] <Smegzor> I'm able to connect to my shares now though.  I had to re-setup smbusers.
[00:49] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: The thing that annoys me is for day to day use a 16MB radeon mobility works better with XiG's xserver than a mid-range pretty recent quadro with 512MB
[00:49] <lubosz> anyone checked out the 171.06 nvidia beta driver yet?
[00:49] <Itaku> what you mean
[00:49] <h3sp4wn> lubosz: Do you have a 9xxx think thats the only changes
[00:49] <lubosz> h3sp4wn: no 8600
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> lubosz: I wouldn't bother then (check the changelog)
[00:50] <travist120> You have to go in to the other system and click "Accept incoming requests"
[00:50] <Kamicazi> Can anyone help me? lshw stops and dosent detect any hardware
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> run it with sudo ?
[00:51] <Kamicazi> I do
[00:51] <travist120> should be under System -> Prefrences ->Remote Desktop
[00:51] <Smegzor> I fixed my workgroup name.  Editing smb.conf was all that was needed.  The gui couldn't change it.
[00:53] <Smegzor> Where does gnome's config live?
[00:53] <RAOF> Mostly in gconf.
[00:54] <travist120> Gconf
[00:54] <hmuller> Smegzor:  in xml, see library.gnome.org
[00:54] <Smegzor> It seems most of my configuration problems are a general failure of gui's editing conf files
[00:54] <h3sp4wn> Which makes it almost impossible to fix when it messes up :/
[00:54] <Smegzor> doing it by hand seems to work
[00:54] <h3sp4wn> be nice if there was a text based alternative to gconf
[00:55] <h3sp4wn> (Surely the windows registry lesson wasn't learnt :/)
[00:56] <Black_Magic> Errm.... When i BootUp X Doesnt start its some kind of console but its all black
[00:56] <Black_Magic> with a lil blinking thing at the bottom
[00:56] <Black_Magic> and when i move mouse it looks kinda like a console...the only way i can get x to start is to use recovery kernal thing
[00:57] <Black_Magic> but that always gives me errors that X is already running which i dont get >.>
[00:57] <Black_Magic> because i have to reboot to use recovery kernal
[00:58] <lhoerste> i'm trying to update to hardy but the --devel-release flag doesn't cause the update button to show up
[00:59] <Black_Magic> did you try -d ?
[00:59] <Black_Magic> or was that what you meant
[00:59] <lhoerste> yea that is the same flag
[00:59] <lhoerste> that's the single letter version
[00:59] <lhoerste> i also tried -c -d but that didn't work either
[00:59] <Black_Magic> >.>
[00:59] <lhoerste> here's the output on the command line "current dist not found in meta-release file"
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Maybe you need to update your entire system first?
[01:00] <lhoerste> its all up to date already
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Probably because you dont have the dist upgrade file that has the data for the new dist
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Have you tried upgrading from the Hardy Live CD?
[01:01] <lhoerste> Black_Magic: I added the file
[01:01] <hmuller> updating to hardy seems to cause headaches, versus a backup, install, restore scenario.
[01:01] <lhoerste> I dont have a burnable CD
[01:01] <lhoerste> i updated my desktop just fine
[01:01] <Black_Magic> Unetbootin has an installer for Hardy
[01:01] <Black_Magic> Try that and then get the image and Mount it
[01:01] <lhoerste> what's that?
[01:02] <Black_Magic> Well im lost >.>
[01:02] <lhoerste> what's the Unetbootin?
[01:02] <Black_Magic> mm Once i Upgraded by downloading the new image mounting it
[01:02] <Black_Magic> and its just like the CDs in drive and i beileave it works just the same
[01:03] <lhoerste> that's not safe
[01:03] <lhoerste> it wont make a full install if it loads anything form disc
[01:03] <lhoerste> oh i see
[01:03] <lhoerste> i'll try that
[01:05] <Black_Magic> You understand what i meant?
[01:06] <lime4x4> hmuller what did u mean by rmmod'd ehci for my bluetooth issue
[01:08] <hmuller> lime4x4:  My problem was caused by a problem with the ehci_hcd module, $ sudo rmmod ehci_hcd cured the probem, but then I didn't have USB2.0 support ...
[01:08] <hmuller> lime4x4:  that my not be your issue, but you could rule it out by trying it
[01:09] <lime4x4> ok thanks
[01:09] <Black_Magic> Back sorry
[01:10] <lhoerste> Black_Magic: yea I understand
[01:10] <Black_Magic> it was lagging :/
[01:15] <hmuller> back to suspend / hibernate fixin ...
[01:17] <Black_Magic> anyone know how to enable SELinux?
[01:18] <charles__> whenever I click add/remove apps, I get a window titled "Install multimedia codecs" that is solid gray and doesn't do anything
[01:18] <charles__> is there a way to see what is going wrong?
[01:23] <xptical> hi all.  8.04 beta KDE4 user here.  can someone explain the "drivers" dialog box that pops up?  It pops at every boot and I click "enable" but the drivers continue to be disabled.  am I missing something?
[01:24] <steintr> Hello.  Quick question --- does anyone know if there is a Hardy package containing debug symbols for firefox3?  I see firefox-2-dbg, but I'd like to get gdb symbols for firefox3 (and ideally without recompiling from source).
[01:25] <RAOF> steintr: You'd be looking for the dbgsym repositories mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[01:26] <xptical>  I have an ATI chipset on my laptop.  At the launch of KDE, it asks me to enable the drivers for the chipset.  I click "enable" and fglrx still does not activate.
[01:27] <steintr> RAOF: Ah, thanks.   I guess I was thrown by the fact that firefox-2-dbg was in universe.
[01:27] <arpu> hi
[01:28] <arpu> powertop:
[01:28] <arpu>  58,9% (1147,0)   <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts
[01:28] <arpu> does anybody know something about this ?
[01:29] <RAOF> steintr: Yeah.  Some packages have explicit -dbg variants (this is useful in Debian), but we have the infrastructure to create dbgsym packages automatically for everything.
[01:30] <arpu> ah found it
[01:30] <arpu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177895
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177895 in linux "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Medium,In progress]
[01:34] <lubosz> do you know the file where to set the color between login screen and gnome (its brownish by default). its a hex value, i changed it before, but dont remember the file anymore...
[01:34] <lubosz> dist upgrade changed that back :<
[01:34] <jbwiv_> guys, I'm on hardy with SBLive. Apparently there was a bug with all modules, including soundcore, being left out when you upgraded from gusty. I installed those and now sound is working when the gdm screen arrives (I hear the drum tha tha thump), but once I log in,sound is gone again. Any ideas what I can do to fix?
[01:34] <lubosz> jbwiv_: try other sound deamons
[01:35] <jbwiv_> lubosz: not alsa?
[01:35] <lubosz> system => preferences => sounds
[01:35] <lubosz> e.g. oss
[01:35] <lubosz> autodetect does not work?
[01:35] <poseidon> Where can I get a list of ubuntu software repositories, so I can find out how the programs are catigorized and indexed?
[01:36] <lubosz> poseidon: do you want to list the repo or get new ones?
[01:36] <steintr> RAOF: Neat.  Although judging from the gdb backtrace, I'd have to install symbols for a whole heck of a lot more libraries to see everything.  Oh well. :(
[01:36] <lubosz> poseidon: afaik i dont know any repo search engines, try google :D
[01:36] <jbwiv_> lubosz: you are the man. Autodetect did not work apparently...when I switched manually to alsa it works. THANKS!
[01:36] <lubosz> jbwiv_: np
[01:37] <RAOF> steintr: Yeah.  I tend to have a bunch of dbgsym packages installed, since they take up nothing but HD space.
[01:37] <frank23> poseidon: packages.ubuntu.com  is this what you're looking for? you can browse by category within synaptic also
[01:38] <steintr> RAOF: The truth is, it's fairly rare that I get frustrated enough to fire up gdb these days, although I still remember how from my more active programming years...
[01:39] <steintr> RAOF: Anyway, thanks.  Gotta run.
[01:41] <poseidon> frank23, I was actually trying to figure out the structure of the repos, but better yet, do you know where I can find the source code for the apt-get instal application?
[01:42] <poseidon> *install
[01:42] <Dr_willis> wowsers.. wireless networking.. just... worked! :)
[01:42] <Dr_willis> Thats a first for this machine.. heh heh
[01:42] <RAOF> poseidon: Yup.  "apt-get source apt-get" :)
[01:43] <frank23> poseidon: you can get the source code from the repositories.  apt-get source packagename I think...   you need the source repositories enabled
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm. is the medibuntu repos up yet for hardy?  Cant seem to track them down. :(
[01:43] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[01:43] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:43] <poseidon> thanks
[01:47] <rchrdcrg> ugh, I desperately need help... I can't open any file windows or anything pertaining to Nautilus... my computer is almost totally useless
[01:49] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  you could try adding/creating a new user. see if it works for them. If so - then its your original users settings that mayt be to blame. If so you could clean out the .gnome* dirs to reset the settings
[01:52] <sarlu|martalli> I'm happy top report that suspend is working now on my Dell m1210 laptop with hardy kubuntu (not in kde4, but kde3 is fine =).  Heck, even the webcam works....now if only webKam was in the repos, but cheese will do =)
[01:53] <rchrdcrg> well I already tried cleaning out the .gnome and .nautilus directories, and that didn't work at all
[01:53] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  theres also the .gtk* dirs
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> aaaah, didn't try that
[01:54] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  it may be quicker to just try making a new user. :)
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> i'm about to try that :)
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> brb!
[01:56] <rchrdcrg> ....and it didn't work.
[01:57] <rchrdcrg> when I boot up, it tries to load my home folder, and it just keeps flashing open and closed on the bottom panel
[01:57] <poseidon> I asked this a second ago, but I had to reboot into ubuntu so could someone please tell me how to get the source for the sudo apt-get install program?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  weird. you could try making a X session that just launches a Xterm, and no window manager, and run gnome from that terminal, and see if any errors show up
[01:57] <Laney> poseidon: apt-get source <application>
[01:57] <Dr_willis> its work time for me. Good luck
[01:58] <rchrdcrg> i'm not even sure how to do that
[01:59] <rchrdcrg> guess I'll figure it out, cuz I've gotta run... thanks
[01:59] <poseidon> Laney, apt-get source apt-get doesn't work
[01:59] <Laney> poseidon: It's probably in the apt package
[02:00] <lubosz> omfg
[02:00] <lubosz> suspend to ram works in hardy
[02:02] <poseidon> Laney, where can I find the apt package?  sorry i'm a bit new to linux
[02:02] <Laney> poseidon: Eh, you should be able to do apt-get source apt
[02:03] <Laney> What do you hope to find out by doing this?
[02:03] <RAOF> poseidon: Do you have the source repositories enabled?
[02:03] <lubosz> poseidon: you are new to linux but want to get cracking some sources :D
[02:04] <poseidon> lubosz, new to linux, not programming
[02:06] <Kamicazi> Can anyone tell me why "sudo lshw" is not working for me?
[02:10] <clinton> How do I restart the pulse server?
[02:12] <tanner> /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[02:15] <clinton> Ok, this is jsut wierd.  I got a notification telling me that pulse crashed, so of course the first thing I do is look in /etc/init.d/ for a pulse script, there isn't one.
[02:15] <RAOF> clinton: killall pulseaudio ; pulseaudio
[02:15] <RAOF> clinton: Yeah; we don't use the system-wide daemon for a number of reasons.  Pulse is started by your session.
[02:15] <clinton> ah, OK
[02:16] <clinton> Can I ask what the reasons are?  I'm curious.
[02:16] <RAOF> So, one is security.
[02:16] <clinton> RAOF: as in don't run pulse as root?
[02:17] <RAOF> Yes, and don't allow people to add/remove pulse modules from a common daemon.
[02:17] <clinton> k
[02:18] <RAOF> There are other reasons, but I've forgotten them.  ;)
[02:18] <clinton> RAOF: that's alright..
[02:19] <clinton> My next question: who do I have to bribe to include awn-extras along with the other awn packages?  (think avant-window-navigator)
[02:20] <mrpoundsign> hello. Seems that my upgrade of mysql-server to 5.0.45 (from 5.0.38) has broken my rt database (request-tracker3.6) -- getting rrors about incorrect information in /frm files. Is anyone familiar with this issue, and do they know how to resolve it?
[02:23] <Zoris> HELP: My CPU is stuck at /100%
[02:24] <Zoris> weird, it seems the process "evolution-data-server-2.22" was doing it...
[02:25] <mrpoundsign> evolution is a nightmare.
[02:25] <mrpoundsign> in my experience. :)
[02:26] <tmh__> I don't know anyone who uses evolution in any way
[02:28] <tmh__> it's perhaps the single biggest failure of the open source movement
[02:29] <clinton> Evolution?  that was a funny movie
[02:36] <Bsims> Why is there a new version of kde nearly every day for stable tree in hardy
[02:37] <justAtempNick> Bsims: because kde4 isn't really stable, in my experience :-)
[02:37] <Bsims> I am not running kde 4
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> and hardy isn't actually stable yet
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> almosta month to go until the release still
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> At least the suspend works on kubuntu-kde3 on my dell m1210 now (thanks Riddell!)
[02:38] <Bsims> heh still in three days to have three versions of the whole kde and most of gnome seemed a touch excessive
[02:38] <Bsims> Oh BTW MIT has some fast fast mirrors
[02:39] <tim__> Will kde4 become super stable in Septermber ????
[02:39] <Bsims> unlikely till at least 4.1 in my experence
[02:39] <tim__> 4.1 comes in September....
[02:39] <justAtempNick> Bsims: this is likely why I couldn't download 8.04 with jigdo, the files were replaced
[02:40] <Bsims> Oh really
[02:40] <tim__> i think so
[02:40] <Bsims> I wait till at least the first dot release before I even try new kde releases
[02:41] <Bsims> any way to tell xchat not to be a prat and cover up my timestamp with user names?
[02:41] <tim__> July 29th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1  Even earlier
[02:41] <tim__> just in 4 months it will come out
[02:42] <tim__> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule
[02:42] <clinton> Will 8.04 include KDE 4.1 when it comes out?
[02:42] <justAtempNick> anyway, they didn't fix the biggest problem with kde, lack of proper integration with firefox
[02:42] <tim__> they would prolly make a spin version
[02:42] <martalli|sarlu> Sometimes riddell will roll them out for us
[02:42] <martalli|sarlu> otoh, getting 8.10 might be a big project
[02:43] <martalli|sarlu> and canonical doesn't give him enough help.  He's not even a permanent member of the team, they give him a spearate contract for each release
[02:43] <IanLiu> Whenever I upgrade my Ubuntu from older Ubuntu, I have problems with my Sound Card. From Dapper to Gutsy, and now from Gutsy to Hardy. What can I do to make it work?
[02:44] <clinton> IanLiu: don't upgrade?
[02:44] <Bsims> IanLiu, I just rerun the sound detect it takes like 20 seconds
[02:44] <IanLiu> How do I ran it?
[02:45] <IanLiu> How do I run* it? ;p
[02:45] <Bsims> IanLiu, it tells you how when you first log on
[02:46] <Bsims> let me check IanLiu
[02:47] <IanLiu> Thanks.. because the only alert he gave to me is that I may have the wrong GStreamer
[02:48] <Bsims> man asoundconf
[02:48] <IanLiu> let me try
[02:52]  * Bsims grins it ether fixed his problem or ate his HD
[02:53] <subsume> can someone help me figure out why my NSS drive isn't loading in Hardy with an identical fstab entry to Gusty machines which load it fine?
[02:53] <Bsims> nss drive?
[02:54] <subsume> nss loading /home drive
[02:54] <DG19075> Hey all...will OpenOffice Formula be included? Trying to find it in the main menu but no luck
[02:54] <Bsims> expand nss please I don't recognise that phrase
[02:54] <subsume> Bsims you load your home drive over a network via NSS
[02:54] <Bsims> does it give you any errors in /var/log/messages
[02:55] <clinton> DG19075: you might just have to install it yourself
[02:55] <IanLiu> DG19075: If you enter inside spread sheet, and click new
[02:56] <IanLiu> there is a Formula editor
[02:56] <subsume> Bsims: not that i see
[02:56] <Bsims> Hrm no idea then
[02:56] <subsume> I have 192.168.0.10:/home /home nfs .... in fstab
[02:56] <Bsims> wierd that it wouldn't log some sort of error
[02:57] <subsume> NFS not nss
[02:57]  * Bsims hrms do me a favor compare your /etc/hosts on hardy vs gutsy
[02:57] <subsume> more or less identical
[02:57]  * Bsims had a error on upgrade where it didn't put my host name in /etc/hosts
[02:57] <subsume> ssh to the server machine works fine
[02:58] <Bsims> broke sudo and apt for me but humor me and see if it isn't something silly like that or if its using a different subnet
[03:00] <subsume> how to tell what packages are installed via ocmmand line?
[03:00] <subsume> that match nfs ?
[03:03] <IanLiu> No luck with sound..
[03:12] <ddalton> hey can someone please tel me what version of speechd-up is in the repo? aptitude show speechd-up
[03:12] <BHSPitMonkey> ...?
[03:13] <BHSPitMonkey> Why don't you just look yourself?
[03:15] <ddalton> because im on feisty and im not updating I just no it works and need version numbers. ok?
[03:16] <BHSPitMonkey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:16] <ddalton> ok I won't bother then. your very helpful. its probably easier for you to look it up with aptitude than find that url and post it.
[03:17] <BHSPitMonkey> Good riddance
[03:27] <nife> Does the PyDev package come with the nag screens ?
[03:27] <clinton> wow what a jackass
[03:30] <googlah> good evenin all
[03:33] <tux97> how come xmms wouldn't work?
[03:34] <vlowther> tux97: because it has been replaced by audacious?
[03:35] <tux97> just said it wasn't supported by this system
[03:37] <Hobbsee> subsume: dpkg -l
[03:38] <Hobbsee> BHSPitMonkey: you wanted to point him to rmadison, in devscripts, iirc.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> but yeah, as for why he can't look it up himself...
[03:38] <tux97> vlowther ty for the response just was wondering why i couldn't install it
[03:45] <vlowther> tux97: yeah.  use audacious instead.  It is like xmms, but written to modern libraries
[03:46] <tux97> ok i might do that when i reinstall hardy
[03:48] <googlah> just tried audacious and it's as good as xmms :)
[03:48] <tux97> ok googlah
[03:50] <c-ron> anyone else having problems with firefox 3b4 not displaying images correctly?
[03:51] <bkoch> Where is the VNC configuration file?  I am getting a connection refuesd and wondering if there is a way i can log into my heron scomputer remotely first enabling vnc by ssh
[03:52] <bkoch> I think my computer may be at the gdl login screen but not sure
[03:52] <alfermp> hey guys somebody have hardy beta? i can not connect to the internet with wifi and WAP security
[03:56] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, vino-preferences?
[03:56] <BHSPitMonkey> that's what it is pre-hardy at least, I don't actually know if that's still the case.
[03:59] <BHSPitMonkey> Hobbsee, he was being pretty dang rude
[04:00] <BHSPitMonkey> tux97, audacious even supports xmms/winamp themes and xmms plugins, it's great.
[04:00] <crimeboy> hi, what version of glibc on hardy?
[04:00] <bkoch> BHSP I am logged in via SSH and need to access the preferences remotely
[04:00] <tux97> cool ty bhspitmonkey
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, I understand that
[04:01] <bkoch> well when i run the /usr/bin/vino-preferences i get gtk warning cant open display il seach for more
[04:01] <tux97> how do u get wirless working?
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, you need to enable x-forwarding when you ssh in.  Use -X.
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> (ssh -X user@host)
[04:18] <leo_rockw> hello
[04:18] <Tom__> >	Well I have a ATI Express 1250 and under fiesty i just install xorg-driver-fglrx / depmod -a / aticonfig --initial..... but on 8.04 i get a error with "aticonfig --initial" 0_o
[04:18] <leo_rockw> i need some kde volunteers to try to reproduce a bug
[04:19] <Tom__> Any help?
[04:19] <leo_rockw> whenever i push the media key (the one that's supposed to launch amarok) kmilo crashes and all services are stopped.
[04:20] <leo_rockw> Tom__: what's the error?
[04:20] <leo_rockw> i want to know if anybody else is experiencing the same behavious with the media key, and to leave a comment here if that's the case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/205534
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205534 in kdeutils "[Hardy] Kmilo crashes with media center key" [Undecided,New]
[04:21] <leo_rockw> behaviour*
[04:22] <Tom__> data incomplete in file /etc/X11/org.conf ......
[04:22] <Tom__> Device section "configured video device"
[04:22] <ubuntu-ubuntu> Hello! does vmware work with Hardy beta?
[04:23] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i installed fglrx in feisty, gutsy and hardy and i never read anything like that. what did google say?
[04:24] <Tom__> Nothing directly to my problem comes up with Hardy... Fiesty & Gutsy works fine.
[04:25] <DG19075> Looks like OpenOffice calls the Formula app OpenOffice Math these days. Thanks to those who had me look for it!:-D
[04:27] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i wish i could help you, but i have no idea what could be causing that error.
[04:27] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i had problems with fglrx + hardy myself, but nothing like that
[04:28] <Beau> hello!
[04:28] <Black_Magic> Hello
[04:28] <Tom__> I may try and manually install 8.04...I did it with Wubi because im lazy..
[04:28] <Black_Magic> lol..
[04:28] <Black_Magic> If windows gets a virus
[04:29] <Black_Magic> your poop
[04:29] <Beau> So i installed 8.04 and the upgrade failed on me, now when i try to run dpkg --configure -a it fails due to too many errors and aborts
[04:29] <Tom__> Lol @ viruseseses
[04:29] <Black_Magic> >.>
[04:29] <Black_Magic> Lol i had the SAME problems
[04:29] <Black_Magic> you sure you dont have some unsupported Repos or such?
[04:30] <Beau> Black_Magic: me?
[04:30] <Black_Magic> Yea
[04:30] <Beau> yeah i probably do
[04:31] <Beau> didn't even think about them before upgrade
[04:31] <leo_rockw> h/o...
[04:31] <leo_rockw> the upgrade took care of my sources.list
[04:31] <leo_rockw> so the unsupported repos and such were commented out
[04:32] <leo_rockw> didn't it do the same for you?
[04:32] <leo_rockw> (a message told me about this before installing)
[04:32] <Beau> eh well my upgrade failed so i'm not sure
[04:32] <Tom__> God damnit I hate ATI. Always spoils my day.
[04:32] <leo_rockw> Tom__: join the club
[04:32] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i have ati and broadcom
[04:34] <Tom__> Lol :p I'm not buying another pc with ATI again... ever.. ever ever ever
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Have you used anything like Envy?
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Or Automatix?
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Or EasyUbuntu?
[04:34] <leo_rockw> Tom__: AMD is kinda doing a good job now. but we'll have to wait some time to see the results
[04:34] <Beau> Black_magic: easyubuntu
[04:34] <leo_rockw> Tom__: the people at #compiz-fusion told me there might be a pretty good open driver by september or so
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Yep
[04:35] <Black_Magic> That would sometimes render you unable to upgrade
[04:35] <Black_Magic> because of what scripts like that do to your system
[04:35] <Black_Magic> You may have to do a Fresh install
[04:36] <leo_rockw> yup, what Black_Magic might be the cause of your problem
[04:36] <Tom__> September >_>
[04:36] <Beau> Black_Magic: ah, best way to go about that, just use the live cd and install again?
[04:36] <leo_rockw> Tom__: yup, a loong wait
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Yea
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Or Try and Upgrade via Live CD
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Pop it in and it should prompt you to upgrade
[04:37] <Beau> hmm didn't think i saw that option but ill check again
[04:38] <Black_Magic> usualy something pops up after the disk is loaded
[04:38] <Tom__> Hmmm to install KDE 4 or not to install KDE 4...That is the question..
[04:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:38] <Black_Magic> Not to install
[04:38] <Black_Magic> alot of programs dont support KDE4 Yet
[04:38] <Tom__> Is it clutterd like 3?
[04:38] <Black_Magic> So its best to wait
[04:39] <omar_> Guys is the POP password the same one you enter when you login to your e-mail account??
[04:39] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kde4 is not stable enough for daily use, imo
[04:39] <Black_Magic> If your trying to do it with Hotmail or Yahoo you have to pay.
[04:39] <Tom__> Oh right, Is KDE4 clutterd like KDE3?
[04:39] <Black_Magic> Half and Half
[04:39] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i love kde3, so i would never call it cluttered
[04:40] <Tom__> Fair dous :P
[04:41] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i'd be biased if i answered your question
[04:41] <Tom__> You know deep down it is.
[04:41]  * Black_Magic in Soviet Russia Your Computer Upgrades YOU
[04:41] <Black_Magic> not the present russia in USSR
[04:42] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i never use the K menu anyway, it's all about katapult and yakuake
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: you can run kde3 programs in kde4, you know...
[04:44] <Black_Magic> still some are not too supported
[04:44] <Black_Magic> and buggy
[04:44] <Black_Magic> Oh anyone have problems with SELinux?
[04:45] <Tom__> Hmmm kde is tempting..even if it is *clutterd*. The default theme of ubuntu isn't exactly a turn on :)
[04:45] <rexy_> Black_Magic, heu is it in the ubuntu kernel now?
[04:45] <Lynoure> clutterd sounds like a daemon
[04:45] <Black_Magic> Well when i do gnome-system-monitor it says Selinux is installed
[04:45] <Black_Magic> but not enabled >.>
[04:45] <rexy_> ah
[04:46] <Lynoure> Tom__: maybe if you explain what you mean by clutterd, it becomes easier to answer?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> also i tried doing a sudo apt-get install selinux and now i got errors
[04:46] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kubuntu hardy won't be lts
[04:46] <Black_Magic> and also X doesnt start when i reboot...
[04:46] <rexy_> Black_Magic, why do you want selinux?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> i dunno
[04:46] <Black_Magic> I really just wonder why X doesnt start when i reboot
[04:46] <dubby> hey anyone do you know if compiz will work with aiglx?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> dubby:  it does
[04:47] <rexy_> well see why it fails
[04:47] <dubby> ok i asked for help in #compiz and they told me they won't help me because im using hardy
[04:47] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:47] <rexy_> the xorg log is a good place to look
[04:47] <Black_Magic> NEVER TELL A channel what version of ubuntu your using if its
[04:47] <Tom__> http://jucato.org/gallery/d/49-2/kde-core-desktop2.jpg                   meh...just look...stuff everywhere...spins me out 0_o
[04:47] <Black_Magic> not Stable yet
[04:47] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:47] <Black_Magic> Say Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon
[04:47] <Black_Magic> Always works :P
[04:47] <dubby> yeah i tried playing it off as gutsy but they didn't buy it
[04:47] <leo_rockw> they helped me in #compiz-fusion
[04:48] <tritium> Black_Magic: please don't do that in #ubuntu
[04:48] <Black_Magic> I dont do it in #ubuntu
[04:48] <leo_rockw> i told them "i'm using hardy, i'm NOT going to use compiz" and they helped me anyway
[04:48] <Black_Magic> only off brand channels like #winehq
[04:48] <dubby> anycase
[04:48] <Black_Magic> Also i usualy dont do it anyways
[04:48] <Black_Magic> i just ask for help and they usualy help
[04:48] <Lynoure> Tom__: if I Open the same view, it looks very different. One person's screenshot rarely gives the whole picture
[04:48] <Black_Magic> Oh Jeez thats ALOT of stuff >.>
[04:49]  * Black_Magic Hides from KDE
[04:49] <dubby> here is a pastebin of my xorg.0.log
[04:49] <dubby> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61314/
[04:49] <leo_rockw> Tom__: that's too crowded for me. i like minimalistic desktops
[04:50] <leo_rockw> Tom__: you can tweak every single thing in kde
[04:50] <Tom__> +1
[04:50] <Black_Magic> lol when it comes to desktops im a clean freak :/
[04:50] <Tom__> Me too...but im a lazy clean freak
[04:50] <Black_Magic> if one icon doesnt match the theme of the others i kick it..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> lol i havent changed the icons on my desktop for 3 months..
[04:50] <Black_Magic> Anyone want a Screenie?
[04:51] <Tom__> No icons on my desktop...irratates me..
[04:51] <Tom__> Go on then
[04:51] <Black_Magic> i litterly stuff all desktop extra stuff
[04:51] <Black_Magic> in a file >.>
[04:51] <Black_Magic> that was originally for a Game called regnum online
[04:51] <Black_Magic> its packed full of junk i cant find nothing in it
[04:52] <Black_Magic> i ever tried organizing but all in all it ends up being all junk...
[04:52] <leo_rockw> Black_Magic: i guess you haven't played regnum online lately then, huh? lol
[04:52] <Black_Magic> lol NAAA
[04:52] <Black_Magic> its basically a trash can..
[04:52] <Black_Magic> You know in windows i used to stuff all extra desktop crap
[04:52] <leo_rockw> Black_Magic: i play every once in a while, but it's kewl for me because i'm argentine too
[04:52] <Lynoure> Tom__: you can choose that too, but that screenhot actually had no icons on the desktop, just on the panel
[04:52] <Black_Magic> into my trash can :/
[04:53] <Black_Magic> lol and then sometimes i accedentally deleted about 5GB of stuff...
[04:53] <leo_rockw> well, i have 2 superkaramba themes in my desktop now, but i find them really useful and they are not annoying
[04:53] <Black_Magic> second taking screenie
[04:54] <Lynoure> Tom__: hiding the side tool bars on that konqueror takes about three clicks... one just unchecks them from the toolbar menu.
[04:54] <Tom__> I have to delete 5GB of stuff a day being a vista user..damn system eats my hd... I should stop using revouninstaller -_-
[04:55] <Tom__> Meh, im going to install KDE now seeing as wubi has left a backup..
[04:55] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kde 3.5.9 is great
[04:56] <Black_Magic> mm i forgot that image pasting site
[04:56] <leo_rockw> Black_Magic: imagevenue? imageshack?
[04:56] <Lynoure> Tom__: The best way to find out if you'll like something is indeed trying it out yourself :)
[04:56] <Black_Magic> imageshack thats it
[04:56] <Black_Magic> i was about to say smallshack..
[04:56] <Tom__> Lol i tried KDE the other week... It annoyed me instantly so i removed it from virtualbox
[04:57] <Black_Magic> i tried Vista The other week i used it for 3hrs and then immediatly deleted it :/ I never want to see vista again
[04:58] <Tom__> Its not that bad... >_>
[04:58] <Tom__> *that*
[04:58] <Black_Magic> well my other week was when it first came out :/
[04:58] <Black_Magic> i need to get more ram :/
[04:59] <Tom__> Me has 2gb and i still hate installing security software -_-
[04:59] <leo_rockw> i bought my laptop and it had vista on it. i formated and installed xp. i installed utorrent, i downloaded kubuntu feisty, i formated my HD and installed kubuntu feisty.
[04:59] <leo_rockw> The End
[05:00] <Black_Magic> well i bought a WD passport for experimenting...
[05:00] <Black_Magic> atm ive tried Federa Backtrack USB version Kubuntu
[05:00] <Tom__> I have a WD passport 60gb rolf
[05:00] <Black_Magic> Eggy
[05:00] <Black_Magic> lol
[05:00] <Black_Magic> i have a 149GB
[05:01] <Tom__> don't make no difference to me...vista doesnt pick it up either way
[05:01] <Tom__> >_>
[05:03] <leo_rockw> i'd rather be blind than get vista... (that joke makes no sense in english... ¬¬)
[05:04] <Tom__> it does look good though..
[05:06] <VanDyke> using ubuntu beta for a week now
[05:06] <VanDyke> very happy with it
[05:06] <tanner> good good
[05:08] <ethana2> Leo: I get it
[05:08] <leo_rockw> i didn't notice changes, except this one message that tells me "dude, your ~ is almost full, don't be a slacker and burn some dvds"
[05:08] <leo_rockw> ethana2: good evening good sir
[05:08] <ethana2> :)
[05:09] <leo_rockw> ethana2: what is it that you get?
[05:09] <ethana2> the joke
[05:10] <leo_rockw> ethana2: ooo, haha
[05:10] <ethana2> ..but i'm not your average english speaker
[05:10] <ethana2> ...ogle won't play dvd's if a machine has been hibernated or suspended
[05:10] <ethana2> we have to restart this laptop whenever we want to play a dvd
[05:10] <ethana2> ...and it beeps at us too
[05:10] <ethana2> loudly
[05:17] <Kamicazi> Hey anyone available?
[05:19] <hydrogen_> !ask | Kamicazi
[05:19] <ubotu> Kamicazi: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:22] <pedantic-steve> hi Ubuntu-ers.  I just upgraded to Hardy.  Is there a way to take a snapshot of  my customized system so I can restore it easier if I mess it up later?
[05:23] <jimiridge> guess you could try taring up the hole drive
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> You could just use dd if you wanted
[05:24] <loa> Hello. I have gnome and sometimes when i start new program my default cursor changes to another. How i can disable this?
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> Good question that annoys me also
[05:25] <pedantic-steve> hmm, there is no utility then specifically for that purpose?  like a system backup/restore program? (more than jsut data backup)
[05:26] <loa> h3sp4wn, (
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: There are but they are just pretty gui's around dd
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> perhaps with some compression added
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: perhaps try using partimage (or partimage-server)
[05:28] <pedantic-steve> ok, thanks h3spawn
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> but do it from a live cd
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> Those type of backups don't really want to be done with open files
[05:29] <pedantic-steve> thanks.  what I want to do is create a restore DVD.. I would have thought there was a utility out there to do that.
[05:30] <quentusrex> How's the stability of the new beta?
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> Its not really necessary
[05:30] <pedantic-steve> will give partimage a shot
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> Infact you are probably better just backing up the package list
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> and your user files
[05:30] <quentusrex> are there any major bugs still in the beta?
[05:30] <quentusrex> major stability bugs? for a desktop workstation?
[05:31] <tanner> depends on hardware configurations and what your doing
[05:31] <tanner> there will always be bugs
[05:31] <Black_Magic> can someone remind me what i was going to do >.<
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> madwifi is a real mess
[05:31] <loa> quentusrex, i have it) i like is!)
[05:31] <pedantic-steve> h3spawn: I want to save time with all the wine apps I have installed, the vpn configuration files, compiz customization, etc.  that stuff takes forever for me to finish
[05:31] <loa> *it
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: That stuff is in /home right ?
[05:32] <quentusrex> I am running an nvidia dual monitor workstation
[05:32] <quentusrex> and I'm really looking forward to evolution 2.22, plus some of the other features.
[05:32] <quentusrex> Are most of the packages that are available in 7.10 still available?
[05:32] <pedantic-steve> h3spawn, yes, I think all that stuff is in /home
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: dpkg --get-selections > ~/packages
[05:32] <pedantic-steve> ahhh, thx
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: dpkg --set-selections < ~/packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade (if ever necessary from that file)
[05:34] <loa> How i can install cursor theme in gnome?
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> That will get the packages installed then you just restore the backup of /home
[05:34] <quentusrex> What reasons are there that should prevent me from upgrading right now?
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> \!?
[05:34] <loa> quentusrex, yeh)
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> quentusrex: Well the good news is most of the bugs with gutsy are fixed
[05:35] <loa> dual monitor... i think you must try live cd/
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> but there is loads of new ones
[05:35] <loa> for example?
[05:35] <Black_Magic> what are these ""
[05:35] <Black_Magic> ?
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> Look in launchpad
[05:36] <quentusrex> h3sp4wn, link?
[05:36] <loa> launchpad.net
[05:36] <chicobo329> hi, I have a problem with the sound and resolution of my laptop on Hardy.
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> No - if you cannot find that then you shouldn't run Hardy yet
[05:36] <loa> h3sp4wn, i mean what annoing you?)
[05:36] <quentusrex> :)
[05:36] <hrlr> anyone use emesene?
[05:36] <chicobo329> I think I caused the problem with regards to resolution by accident when trying to fix the sound
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> loa: Thats just being lazy not even trying to find the link
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: Try to be a little more verbose
[05:37] <chicobo329> right I'm getting to that
[05:37] <loa> h3sp4wn, nop i mean what bugs annoing you in your installation)
[05:37] <chicobo329> I was just loading some stuff up, my apologies
[05:38] <loa> For example i my installation all is very stable =)
[05:38] <hrlr> I can't get emesene to log chats.  It appears like this functionality might be broken.
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> loa: evolution-data-server 100% cpu at least once a day
[05:38] <chicobo329> my laptop is a HP Pavilion DV2415nr. It has nVidia Geforce go and nVidia sound as well, I frget the name off the top of my head
[05:38] <loa> =(
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> Laptop internal audio really sucks without oss4
[05:39] <quentusrex> will there be another beta release? or will there only be one?
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> And its really painful to use it
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> !schedule
[05:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:39] <chicobo329> when trying to get my sound to work, doing a modprobe at the terminal for snd-hda-intel but it didn't find it
[05:39] <chicobo329> but if I use a find command, it shows me the file
[05:39] <chicobo329> the laptop acts as if there's no soundcards
[05:39] <tanner> chicobo329: run depmod
[05:39] <loa> run depmod
[05:39] <loa> tanner, ))
[05:39] <chicobo329> that's what I did
[05:39] <tanner> :)
[05:39] <chicobo329> I did depmod -aAe
[05:40] <quentusrex> sheesh... I asked if there would be a second beta release of hardy
[05:40] <chicobo329> but now it broke my nVidia fix, I used Envy for that
[05:40] <chicobo329> so now the resolution is stuck at 800x600
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: sudo apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source && m-a a-i alsa
[05:40] <chicobo329> okay I'll try this out
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> *sudo m-a a-i alsa
[05:41] <tanner> envy is unsupported by ubuntu, if you can find the module depmod should resolve the issue and modprobe --list | grep snd-hda-intel should output something
[05:41] <loa> How i can install new cursor theme in ubuntu?
[05:41] <tanner> chicobo329: your running in vesa mode, because the nvidia drivers broke, reinstall and reboot and it may work again, however please understand we cannot support Envy
[05:42] <chicobo329> Gotcha, that's fine. I'll use anything to get my video working right, Envy or otherwise
[05:48] <ether_c> so..
[05:48] <ether_c> does anyone know if there's an easy way to get the ipw3945 driver back on ubuntu hardy?
[05:48] <ether_c> they've switched to iwlwifi
[05:49] <ether_c> but that doesn't work with the aircrack suite
[05:49] <chicobo329> I think the alsa-source building was botched. It went from 88% to 0% and seems to have hanged
[05:49] <chicobo329> oh wait never mind
[05:49] <chicobo329> that was weird though, I guess it hanged for a bit
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: Well fix it then
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> find a newer patch
[05:49] <chicobo329> alright it finished, so I'll restart right?
[05:49] <ether_c> actually, that isn't my biggest gripe
[05:50] <ether_c> it doesn't work with my school's wireless network
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: yeah
[05:50] <chicobo329> gotcha
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> why is that ? wrong channel number ?
[05:50] <ether_c> my school's routers just .. will not give me an ip
[05:51] <ether_c> even though, it works on other versions of linux
[05:51] <ether_c> and windows
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> tried - raw wpa_supplicant ?
[05:51] <ether_c> it's not encrypted
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> Its scanner seems to work tons better than network manager
[05:52] <ether_c> hmm
[05:52] <ether_c> you mean ipwraw?
[05:52] <tanner> h3sp4wn: what card
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> tanner: both the 4965 intel and - atheros 5215
[05:54] <fk7_se> ok so what is 8.04 all about, whats the big improvement?
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> I am thinking about just getting rid of it and setting a roam with wpa_supplicant (I only probably ever used about 5 networks)
[05:54] <tanner> h3sp4wn: are you able to associate?
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> tanner: Its working fine now - its just randomly messes up often
[05:55] <tanner> interesting
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> But no matter what happened with that
[05:55] <ether_c> $ modprobe ipw3945  ... Module ipw3945 not found
[05:55] <ether_c> goddamnit
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> I can always - wpa_supplicant -c myconf.conf -D wext -iwlan0 -B (etc)
[05:56] <tanner> ether_c: iwl3945
[05:56] <ether_c> I know
[05:56] <ether_c> but iwl3945 doesn't work on my school network
[05:56] <ether_c> don't ask me why
[05:56] <ether_c> but ipw3945 did
[05:56] <ether_c> iwl3945 does not
[05:56] <tanner> ipw i believe is going to be replaced
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: Check if its in the wireless-compat package
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2
[05:57] <ether_c> cool
[05:57] <secret901> Ubuntu does not recognize my audio card after I upgrade to Hardy
[05:57] <tanner> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[05:57] <tanner> iwlwifi has replace the ipw series of drivers
[05:57] <secret901> anyone know how to make Ubuntu recognize my audio card again?
[05:58] <tanner> secret901: what is your card, and try alsamixer in console
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Maybe try - sudo apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source && sudo m-a a-i alsa
[05:59] <secret901> tanner: alsamixer failed when it tried to call function snd_ctl_open
[05:59] <tanner> what sound card do you have
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> I think if its not working straight away then simplest to just try the later alsa-driver before spending ages debugging
[06:00] <secret901> tanner: I have an intel 82801G card on a Dell Inspiron E1505N laptop
[06:00] <tanner> secret901: is that a recent laptop
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: yes, it comes with 6.10 installed
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: I just upgraded to 8.04 from 7.10
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: actually, it came with 7.04
[06:01] <tanner> secret901: what is the result of modprobe --list | grep snd-hda-intel  and also the command lsmod | grep snd
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> Its snd-hda-intel
[06:02] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it's telling me to install all sort of stuff
[06:02] <secret901> h3sp4wn: shouldn't it come automatically when I upgrade to Hardy?
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> secret901: No - that will just install what you need to upgrade your drivers to alsa 1.0.16
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> (hardy's kernel has 1.0.15)
[06:03] <secret901> tanner: /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/updates/snd-hda-intel.ko
[06:03] <secret901> tanner: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n/lsmod
[06:04] <tanner> hm
[06:04] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it was working fine in 7.10
[06:04] <secret901> h3sp4wn: doesn't 8.04 come with some new sound server or something?
[06:04] <tanner> pulseaudio
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> secret901: That comes after basic alsa is working
[06:06] <secret901> h3sp4wn: does this mean that alsa is not even working on my laptop?
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Currently  not
[06:06] <secret901> when I try to run Volume control, I get: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> Alsa break and fix stuff all the time
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> Did you install the new alsa ?
[06:07] <secret901> it's still installing
[06:07] <secret901> h3sp4wn: building alsa-source, step 1
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> Just wait until thats finished and reboot
[06:08] <secret901> h3sp4wn: after it installs, it should work?
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> secret901: May or may not a lot of work has been done on hda-intel
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < ether_c> iwl3945 does not
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < tanner> ipw i believe is going to be replaced
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < h3sp4wn> ether_c: Check if its in the wireless-compat package
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> sorry
[06:09] <tanner> O.o
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> Junk HP keyboards
[06:10]  * tanner loves his thinkpad keyboard
[06:10] <alvarezp> I'm having a problem with Hardy Heron: TrueType fonts are not getting exported to the X server.
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> Me 2 but the thinkpad is upstairs
[06:11] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it now says that I should stop all applications using sound devices and reload all ALSA sound modules
[06:11] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I need to reboot?
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yeah I would recommend it
[06:12] <alvarezp> How can I make the X server publish the fonts as X fonts? (For instance, I want Bitstream Vera to be exported to xlsfonts)
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> Get type1 versions of them
[06:13] <loa> h3sp4wn, i replace spin with default cursor)
[06:13]  * loa very happy/
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> loa: How ?
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: maybe try - xfstt
[06:13] <ether_c> test
[06:13] <ether_c> ok good
[06:14] <ether_c> I'm going to try using wicd rather than network-manager next time..
[06:14] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: But be certain you really do need to do it
[06:14] <loa> h3sp4wn, for example get http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Obsidian+Cursors?content=73135
[06:15] <loa> h3sp4wn, unpack it! There is dir Source and file Wait.conf in it.
[06:15] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: I'm not sure. It seems to be some kind of Ubuntu bug, because my Debian Sid doesn't have xfstt installed, but fonts are listed correctly in xlsfonts.
[06:15] <jimiridge> whatever happened to the ubuntu google partner page?
[06:15] <loa> Change it with your cursor) Run ./build.sh
[06:15] <loa> And setup new theme :D
[06:16] <jimiridge> i really got off on seeing that after an update
[06:16] <loa> annoing blinking busy cursor dissapeared :)
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Could just be a choice on the part of one or the other
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Take a look at this script - http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix-fonts.sh
[06:20] <loa> h3sp4wn, it is perfect)
[06:20] <loa> yeh/
[06:21] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: Looks like the only thing this script is missing are the FontPaths, right?
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> I should just disable my mouse and use wm--ii for a bit
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: I would just edit - FONT_DIR
[06:22] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: no, I mean, to update the X server font path with xset +fp.
[06:23] <alvarezp> At least, Gutsy includes some FontPath directive in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, including some weird "defoma" directory.
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> You can put that stuff back if you need to
[06:24] <alvarezp> I'll try the script now.
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> Looking at that script has been enough for me to sort out any font issues I ever had
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I rebooted the computer
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Still not working ?
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: the sound now works but horrifically
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: there is a ton of static
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep same as happened to mine
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> Then I switched to OSS4 but it does have negative points
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: how do I do that
[06:26] <secret901> h3sp4wn: so is it now using pulsesomething?
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> secret901: http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Theoretically
[06:27] <secret901> h3sp4wn: what are the drawbacks?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Its not as well integrated with ubuntu
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> But it sounds tons better than alsa
[06:28] <secret901> h3sp4wn: is it easily removable?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> secret901: yep - just dpkg -P
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> then alsa is reenabled etc
[06:30] <secret901> the LED for my wireless used to blink when it's working; when I upgrade to Hardy, it's always off
[06:30] <ether_c> yeah, me too
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> Intel wireless ?
[06:30] <ether_c> secret901: I think that's another problem with iwlwifi
[06:30] <secret901> h3sp4wn: yes
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> (mine is just always on)
[06:30] <ether_c> if I were a better coder, and had some time, I'd try and fix it..
[06:31] <ether_c> mine is always off.. even right now
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: but it was working in 7.10...
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: why fix something that wasn't broken
[06:31] <ether_c> yeah, but 7.10 used ipw wifi
[06:31] <ether_c> this uses iwl
[06:31] <ether_c> and iwl blows donkeys
[06:31] <ether_c> (for me anyways)
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> secret901: But did you use a Dell provided 7.10 ?
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: why is it using iwl?
[06:31] <ether_c> because iwl is supposedly an "upgrade"
[06:31] <ether_c> don't ask me why
[06:32] <ether_c> it's been nothing but trouble for me..
[06:32] <secret901> h3sp4wn: Dell provided 7.04, I upgraded to 7.10 manually
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Ok
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: It doesn't use the daemon anymore which is a good thing
[06:32] <secret901> Now I never know if my wifi is working or not...
[06:32] <ether_c> yeah, and it doesn't work with my school's wireless routers
[06:33] <ether_c> nor does it work with aircrack
[06:33] <DanaG> iwl sucks to me, too.
[06:33] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I need to reboot after installing oss4?
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, and that OSS4?  Can't use it -- PulseAudio doesn't get along with it, and it hard-locks when I insert my cardbus Audigy2.
[06:34] <secret901> DanaG: I'd be willing to try anything to get rid of this horrible static
[06:34] <DanaG> Static?  What card?
[06:34] <DanaG> On my card, I get static if the "PCM" capture slider is not all the way down.
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> secret901: ossinfo -v
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> (pastebin that)
[06:35] <secret901> DanaG: Intel; alsamixer didn't work when I upgrade to Hardy
[06:35] <secret901> DanaG: then I installed a newer version of alsa, and I get horrible statics
[06:35] <firecrotch> Can someone tell me if perl and libc6 are installed in a default Kubuntu hardy install?
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> secret901: You shouldn't need to reboot
[06:35] <secret901> h3sp4wn: No /dev/mixer device available in your system
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> secret901: sudo /usr/lib/oss/scripts/showprocs.sh
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> then just kill those processes
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> sudo kill x y z
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> - then you can do sudo soundon
[06:37] <secret901> h3sp4wn: kill what?
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> secret901: If its easier you can reboot
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: sudo /usr/lib/oss/scripts/showprocs.sh gives me a bunch of error: cannot stat xyz
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: no such file or directoryh
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: and now sound stopped working
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> secret901: sudo soundon
[06:39] <secret901> h3sp4wn: error: module blah blah is in use
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Just reboot it will be simpler
[06:39] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I'll just reboot again
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: You didn't look very far for those packet injection patches
[06:41] <ether_c> huh
[06:41] <ether_c> oh, that's because getting aircrack working isn't my first priority
[06:41] <ether_c> h3sp4wn:
[06:41] <ether_c> I'd be satisfied if I can just get it to connect to my school's routers
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> well the first hit on google for iwlwifi packet injection has patches
[06:41] <ether_c> also, the whole wmaster, wlan0 thing is a little annoying too
[06:41] <DanaG> iwl3945 + NetworkManager == a pain in the <__>.
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> Anything + NetworkManager == same
[06:42] <DanaG> It fails miserably at roaming.
[06:42] <ether_c> because when I run dhclient, it complains about the hardware type not being recognized
[06:42] <ether_c> I ditched network manager in favour of Wicd
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> You run dhclient wlan0 right ?
[06:42] <ether_c> wicd is awesome
[06:42] <ether_c> h3sp4wn: yeah
[06:42] <DanaG> Does it have a tray icon?
[06:42] <ether_c> I never get any offers
[06:43] <ether_c> wicd has an icon if you want one, yes
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> are you associated first ?
[06:43] <ether_c> but it will run without one too
[06:43] <DanaG> Another thing that sucks about iwl3945: sometimes even 'iwlist scan' will stop returning anything.
[06:44] <ether_c> yeah, iwlist scan doesn't return anything
[06:44] <DanaG> At that point, if I try to modprobe -r iwl3945, modprobe will hang, eat CPU, and become utterly unkillable.
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> Same with 4965 sometimes
[06:44] <ether_c> but if I run "sudo iwlist scan" it works every time
[06:44] <DanaG> And by "utterly", I mean, I've tried all 15 possible signals.
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> but it always works with wpa_supplicant raw
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> I guess i can live with having to remember when I switch to ethernet from wireless
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh hell, I might almost be better with Broadcom, the way things have seemed to work with iwl3945.
[06:45] <secret901> booting up is noticeably slower in Hardy
[06:45] <ether_c> I'll restate this for the record, iwlwifi blows donkeys
[06:45] <ether_c> I'm considering reinstalling 7.10
[06:45] <secret901> h3sp4wn: now sound stopped working; I'm back to square one
[06:46] <secret901> ether_c: is it possible?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> secret901: run sudo ossdetect -v
[06:46] <ether_c> not without a full reinstall
[06:46] <ether_c> not easily, at least
[06:46] <secret901> h3sp4wn: Detected Intel High Definition Audio (ICH7)
[06:46] <secret901> Detected Generic USB audio device (BETA)
[06:46] <secret901> Detected OSS Transparent Virtual Mixing Architecture
[06:47] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I run startsound or something?
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> secret901: What media player do yo use ?
[06:47] <secret901> I usually use vlc
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> pkill pulseaudio
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> And then select the oss output for vlc
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> also try - osstest (should get nice clear sound)
[06:48] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I hear loud sound, how do I turn it down?
[06:48] <secret901> h3sp4wn: my built-in volume control doesn't work
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> secret901: ossxmix
[06:49] <secret901> h3sp4wn: what setting do I change?
[06:50] <secret901> h3sp4wn: so oss can't integrate with volume control?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> secret901: It can
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> But it requires messing about
[06:51] <secret901> h3sp4wn: how do I remove oss?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -P oss-linux
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> *sudo dpkg -P oss-linux
[06:53] <secret901> h3sp4wn: and this would go back to the horrible static after I do a reboot?
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep
[06:53] <secret901> h3sp4wn: thanks
[07:00] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: Something about the fonts worked. I tried mkfontdir, mkfontscale, ttmkfdir, fc-cache -r, fc-cache -f, the fix-fonts.sh script, xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/
[07:01] <alvarezp> I would like to know how to reset Ubuntu to the default, so I can pinpoint the exact procedure so I can get it to the bug report.
[07:02] <googlah> Perhaps a reformat would be the right way?
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Try the live-cd ?
[07:02] <googlah> or just reinstall
[07:02] <alvarezp> googlah: reinstall on each trial-and-error iteration?
[07:03] <alvarezp> The live-cd would be a good idea. I would have to download it, though. -- Do you know what package to dpkg-reconfigure, or the like?
[07:07] <googlah> Ahh, my Hardy is looking so good and working flawlessy, just want it to be less buggy. :( Bugs a little here and there
[07:09] <secret901> how do I use alsamixer to lower the PCM level?
[07:10] <ether_c> there should be a column in alsamixer called "PCM"
[07:10] <afd_> What can I do if some stupid program deleted my hostname from /etc/hosts and I can't run sudo (it timeouts saying it can't find my host)
[07:10] <secret901> ether_c: nope, I can see Master, PC Speak, and BaseFRQ
[07:11] <orvokki> googlah: Eh, if it has bugs, it doesn't work flawlessly...
[07:11] <afd_> this was caused by kde network manager's config applet
[07:11] <ether_c> so, you're just missing your /etc/hosts file?
[07:12] <afd_> ether_c: no, it just can't resolve tibi-laptop, which is the name of my localhost
[07:12] <ether_c> secret901: that's weird, I can see PCM, but no master on mine
[07:12] <orvokki> Could always start the system in single-user mode and add the host to /etc/hosts.
[07:12] <secret901> ether_c: how many columns do you see?
[07:12] <afd_> orvokki: add "single" to the boot entry?
[07:12] <ether_c> like.. 7
[07:13] <googlah> orvokki: true true.. but mostly flawlessy. :)
[07:13] <ether_c> afd_: what's in your /etc/hosts then?
[07:13] <orvokki> afd_: I think so, yes.
[07:13] <secret901> ether_c: you're not having static problems with the sound, are you?
[07:13] <ether_c> secret901: a little
[07:13] <ether_c> only when cpu-heavy work is going on
[07:13] <ether_c> I get occasional blips
[07:14] <ether_c> personally, gutsy was waaay better on this hp laptop
[07:14] <ether_c> than hardy is
[07:14] <secret901> ether_c: not as bad as my problem then; the static is drowning out the actual sound
[07:15] <ether_c> afd_: try "ping tibi-laptop"
[07:15] <afd_> ether_c: there's localhost aliased to 127.0.0.1, but tibi-laptop, which is the name the installer asked me (way back in edgy) is not there anymore
[07:15] <afd_> kde's setting manager > network settings deleted
[07:15] <ether_c> ok
[07:15] <afd_> I never can trust that software
[07:15] <ether_c> just add this line
[07:15] <afd_> it always makes problem
[07:16] <afd_> I shouldn't have used it now either ...
[07:16] <secret901> h3sp4wn: are you still using oss4?
[07:16] <ether_c> 127.0.0.1       tibi-laptop
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep
[07:16] <afd_> but I thought, hey, it's a new OS version, maybe I should try it
[07:16] <afd_> yeah, I know how the hosts work
[07:16] <secret901> h3sp4wn: is it integrated with Volume control?
[07:16] <afd_> I'm just angry that it fails on such a simple task
[07:17] <ether_c> yeah, but at least that's easily fixable
[07:17] <afd_> I hate restarting :)
[07:17] <ether_c> unlike driver problems
[07:17] <secret901> It takes a really long time to reboot in 8.4
[07:17] <afd_> hardy is kind of buggy with the network
[07:18] <afd_> it can't find access points on my laptop if the AP was rebooted
[07:18] <secret901> I wish there was a rollback option
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> secret901: You need a newer - libgstossaudio.so
[07:18] <afd_> if it doesn't connect to an AP when started, I can't connect to any other AP
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> secret901: I never bothered - are you on 32bit or 64bit ?
[07:19] <secret901> h3sp4wn: 32
[07:19] <afd_> when I reboot the CPU goes to max and stays like that for 10  minutes (of course, I've shut it down manually then)
[07:20] <afd_> so far, I haven't had any benefits
[07:20] <afd_> oh, and now that i've rebooted with single, there's a "recovery menu" that appeared
[07:20] <afd_> unfortunately I can't select anything, when I hit a key it's all wrong!
[07:21] <afd_> there's gibberish that appears on the screen
[07:26] <HorizonXP> pestilence?
[07:27] <HorizonXP> how do I get bind9 to maintain its DNS records?
[07:27] <HorizonXP> right now, every time I restart, it seems to lose them
[08:12] <ethana2> oh wow
[08:12] <ethana2> jenda, you threw me there
[08:12] <ethana2> heh
[08:13] <ethana2> ...I saw this, switched tabs to ##dvorak and ... wait a minute.....
[08:13] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:14] <jenda> ethana2: hmm? :)
[08:14] <ethana2> jenda: i'm not used to seeing the same last line of text in two channels
[08:14] <jenda> aha :)
[08:14] <ethana2> jenda: it usually means I didn't /actually/ switch tabs
[08:15] <ethana2> Thomas van der Burgt found my bug on colemak..
[08:16] <ethana2> looks like he'll be able to fix it...  will it make it into Hardy?
[08:16] <ethana2> ...all minor bugfixes are accepted until release, right?
[08:18] <ethana2> Is anyone else here picky enough about keyboards to run into Bug 188308?
[08:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188308
[08:29] <kalatian_> is colemak included in hardy by default?
[08:34] <jimiridge> install it and find out
[08:35] <jimiridge> i code in zero's and ones i type with a qwerty and do most things in bash
[08:40] <fotoflo> hmm how do i get java installed on my ubuntu box?
[08:40] <fotoflo> do i need to change my repos?
[08:40] <kalatian_> there should be a sun-java package or something
[08:41] <asdrubal> how do I change the page size from 4kb to 2MB in make menuconfig?
[08:41] <asdrubal> I can't find the option
[08:41] <jimiridge> i miean comon there are only a handfull of different keyboard layouts and "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  lets you set prolly any layout in use
[08:42] <jimiridge> jre
[08:42] <jimiridge> java runtime environment
[08:42] <kalatian_> haha, colemak is included
[08:42] <jimiridge> aptitude search for it
[08:43] <kalatian_> sun-java-[5,6]-jre
[08:43] <kalatian_> or jdk, bin, etc
[08:47] <ghanthar> hi, I have problems with rhythmbox jamendo plugin.... I did a search on it, it looks like this was a bug in gutsy, there was a patch for this but the patch is applied on hardy... still not working.... any clues?
[08:55] <quentusrex> I've just updated to the beta.
[08:55] <quentusrex> How do I get my sound back.
[08:56] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what did you upgrade from?
[08:56] <quentusrex> 7.10
[08:56] <quentusrex> I think my onboard sound isn't detected.
[08:57] <DistroJockey> quentusrex:  maybe try double-clicking the speaker icon near the clock and changing the device in the file menu
[08:57] <quentusrex> from lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:58] <quentusrex> GStreamer devices found...
[08:58] <quentusrex> no devices found.
[08:59] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what about in System - Preferences - Sound  ?
[08:59] <quentusrex> no devices.
[08:59] <Anosh> I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD
[08:59] <DistroJockey> :(
[09:00] <DistroJockey> sorry quentusrex, no futher ideas atm
[09:00] <DistroJockey> further^
[09:00] <quentusrex> how would I have ubuntu do a hardware scan?
[09:00] <jimiridge> lshw?
[09:01] <jimiridge> ps this isnt windows
[09:01] <Anosh> I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD from windows
[09:01] <quentusrex> jimiridge, I know this isn't windows.
[09:02] <DistroJockey> modprobe maybe?
[09:02] <quentusrex>  *-multimedia UNCLAIMED
[09:02] <quentusrex>              description: Audio device
[09:02] <quentusrex>              product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[09:02] <quentusrex>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[09:02] <quentusrex>              physical id: 1b
[09:02] <quentusrex>              bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
[09:02] <quentusrex>              version: 01
[09:02] <quentusrex>              width: 64 bits
[09:02] <quentusrex>              clock: 33MHz
[09:02] <quentusrex>              capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[09:02] <quentusrex>              configuration: latency=0
[09:02] <quentusrex> oops,,
[09:02] <quentusrex> was suppose to be on one line.
[09:03] <jimiridge> dont do that
[09:03] <DistroJockey> I was thinking it may have been related to the switch from ALSA to PulseAudio
[09:04] <quentusrex> I think it would be related to that.
[09:04] <DistroJockey> as I doubt that hardware that worked in 7.10 would not be supported in *.04
[09:04] <jimiridge> missing the driver/module
[09:04] <DistroJockey> 8.04^
[09:06] <jimiridge> lsmod |grep snd
[09:06] <jimiridge> anything?
[09:06] <quentusrex> nothing
[09:06] <jimiridge> yup no kernel sound modules
[09:06] <jimiridge> alsa
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Try building alsa-source with module-assistant
[09:07] <jimiridge> hey thats the same card i have i think
[09:07] <jimiridge> module snd-hda-intel
[09:07] <catweazle> !alsa-help | quentusrex
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsa-help - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <quentusrex> :)
[09:08] <jimiridge> module-assistant i agree
[09:08] <quentusrex> so, what command do I need to run?
[09:08] <Anosh>  I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD from windows, when I boot from the cd I see the splash screen but i can not boot into live cd or installation or even check the media for defects
[09:08] <catweazle> "sudo aptitude install module-assistant" followed by "sudo module-assistant auto-install alsa-source" should do it.
[09:08] <jimiridge> aptitude install module-assistant
[09:08] <Adys> Any idea what the latest libpulse update does?
[09:08] <DistroJockey> Anosh: did the md5sum of the iso check out?
[09:09] <Anosh> DistroJockey I dont know how to do that in windows
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> you would - auto-install alsa
[09:09] <DistroJockey> Anosh: google md5sum.exe and pick a nice one
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> or aptitude install alsa-source
[09:09] <jimiridge> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/pulseaudio/+changelog
[09:10] <Adys> SOrry for that, crashed - Any idea what the latest libpulse update does?
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> aptitude changelog
[09:11] <jimiridge> h3sp4wn, thats cool
[09:12] <jimiridge> i've been doing everything the hard way
[09:12] <Adys> jimiridge:  cheers :)
[09:12] <DistroJockey> Anosh: also a good idea to burn at a fairly slow speed, like 4x
[09:12] <Adys> and nah aptitude changelogs are not avail atm
[09:12] <Hiraj> DistroJockey i use infrarecorder which already burns it at 3x
[09:13] <jimiridge> aptitude changelog libpulse0
[09:13] <DistroJockey> Hiraj: never heard of that one, but most can choose a speed
[09:14] <jimiridge> cdrdao ftw ;)
[09:18] <jimiridge> bored
[09:24] <fotoflo> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre
[09:25] <bazhang> try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:27] <fotoflo> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre  -- do i have to alter my apt sources?
[09:27] <bazhang> did you install the restricted-extras? fotoflo
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> there is apt-listchanges as well
[09:31] <DistroJockey> When dealing with Java in Hardy beta, this link may help to get it working with Firefox once you get it installed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/173966
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173966 in sun-java6 "java plugin not working in firefox 3 on ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:32] <DistroJockey> did I ask you ubotu? ;P
[09:32] <DistroJockey> *pats ubotu on the head*
[09:33] <kuil> hi all.. anybody here using hardy with an intel/i810 card?
[09:33] <kuil> i have a dell d820 laptop and I would like to use dualscreen
[09:33] <kuil> but so far not much luck..
[09:34] <kuil> there are 2 drivers that I can choose (according to apt) -intel and -i810
[09:34] <kuil> not sure which one to pick
[09:35] <DistroJockey> well, i810 is more specific than intel
[09:35] <kuil> so probably i810 is the best driver then?
[09:35] <DistroJockey> yep
[09:36] <kuil> but should dual screen work with that driver? I currently have clone view
[09:36] <DistroJockey> intel, would probably add i810 plus lots more
[09:36] <DistroJockey> no idea here sorry
[09:36] <kuil> k.. thx
[09:36] <DistroJockey> np
[09:36] <kuil> any idea where to ask?
[09:37] <DistroJockey> nope, sorry
[09:37] <ethana2> well
[09:37] <kuil> it's always hard what 'works out of the box' means on different forums
[09:37] <ethana2> we have a d830
[09:37] <ethana2> we wanted to do dual /seat/
[09:37] <ethana2> ...we got dual screen working
[09:37] <kuil> ah.. nice!
[09:37] <ethana2> without messing with any drivers...
[09:37] <ethana2> but i don't know the chipset for the d820
[09:37] <ethana2> we have an x1300, I think
[09:38] <kuil> lspci says: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[09:38] <ethana2> hmm
[09:38] <ethana2> ...i guess it's different then
[09:38] <kuil> before I had a d800
[09:38] <kuil> (nvidia chipset)
[09:39] <kuil> but there hibernate refused to work
[09:39] <kuil> with native drivers
[09:40] <ethana2> well good luck
[09:40] <ethana2> I'm going to go to sleep now
[09:40] <kuil> does 'hotplug' of an extra screen work for you?
[09:40] <kuil> ok.. sleep well
[09:40] <kuil> thx
[09:40] <ethana2> well first..
[09:40] <ethana2> when i hotplug a screen
[09:40] <ethana2> userful pops up to figure out what I want to do with it
[09:40] <ethana2> ..all my screens are the same specs though
[09:41] <ethana2> mainly I plug in keyboards and mice
[09:41] <ethana2> and i have to assign them a seat
[09:41] <ethana2> by pressing an F* key and clicking
[09:41] <ethana2> ..anyways, see y'all later
[09:41] <kuil> k.. I use my laptop in a dockingstation at work .. and 'normal' at home.. that works fine
[09:41] <KenSentMe> Hi, i' m still struggling to get my wireless network connection running on my office network. After i install linux-restricted-modules networkmanager could use the network interface to connect to my home network, but connecting to the office network wont work, however it did in gutsy (with nm)
[09:41] <kuil> thx
[09:42]  * ethana2 goes to bed
[09:48] <KenSentMe> I used to connect to the network through wpa enterprise, peap, dynamic wep and mschapv2. It seems like the password i enter is put in the private key field, although i enter it in the identity field above
[09:50] <quentusrex> if you hear more people talking about broken sound
[09:50] <quentusrex> please forward them to this link:
[09:50] <quentusrex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[09:50] <quentusrex> The freaking kernel modules aren't installed by default...
[09:51] <SWAT> the 3945 (intel wlan) doesn't seem to want to associate. Is this currently being worked on? I'm using the iwl driver by the way.
[09:52] <KenSentMe> SWAT, i got the problem with a wpa enterprise network, but my wep at home worked
[09:53] <quentusrex> sheesh... The freaking kernel modules aren't installed by default...
[09:55] <quentusrex> Who is responsible to make sure that the kernel modules should be installed with the install of the kernel???
[09:55] <Jaymac> quentusrex: heard you the first time :)
[09:55] <quentusrex> I know.... I'm just ranting....
[09:55] <quentusrex> excuse the rant....
[09:57] <Adys> How good is konqueror as a replacement for nautilus under ubuntu (gnome)? Im not fond of KDE apps generally but Im starting to hate nautilus and i hear konqueror is awesome
[09:58] <quentusrex> jaymac, do you know why the kernel modules wouldn't be installed by default?
[09:59] <kuil> Adys: don't know how it works in gnome ... but I really do love konqueror
[09:59] <Adys> Does it handle ftp/sftp well?
[10:00] <kuil> I use fish:// (ssh) a lot
[10:00] <kuil> ftp not so much.. but that should work as well
[10:00] <Adys> yeah i dont use ftp, but just in case
[10:01] <Adys> ah well ill just try it
[10:01] <Adys> how do I go for changing the default file manager?
[10:02] <kuil> hmm.. couldn't really tell.. haven't used gnome a lot :(
[10:02] <kuil> sorry
[10:02] <Adys> heh aight :) ill find
[10:03] <SWAT> KenSentMe, check launchpad
[10:04] <KenSentMe> SWAT, checking, but couldnt find a similar bug, got a link?
[10:09] <KRF> why dont you install "libarts1-xine" by default? it's very useful for video previews in konqueror
[10:14] <Adys> kuil:  you were right, konqueror is awesome :)
[10:18] <kuil> Adys: ;)
[10:18] <kuil> some kde applications really suck (kmail).. others work nice..
[10:19] <KRF> kmail sucks?
[10:19] <Adys> I just wish nautilus had decent tab management
[10:19] <kuil> KRF: at least that is my experience
[10:19] <Adys> and tooltips, and good sftp handling, and undo operations
[10:19] <Adys> and better scripting options.
[10:19] <_ruben> kmail sure aint perfect, but sure doesnt suck either
[10:19] <KRF> i quite love kmail. its one of the best apps in kde
[10:19] <kuil> :) good to see different user experiences
[10:19] <KRF> filters are quite easy to set up and stuff
[10:20] <KRF> yes :)
[10:20] <Adys> And why are people still using mail client? Gmail interface, or google apps mail with your own mail :)
[10:20] <kuil> I use it connected to a 'local' port that is forwarded ussing ssh -L
[10:20] <_ruben> kmail and konsole i use on a daily basis .. using remote x and and cygwin x server on winxp :p
[10:20] <kuil> if my network drops.. and I re-enable it.. I need to restart kmail
[10:21] <kuil> stuff like... i view a message.. and press forward.. it downloads that message again.. (although I am viewing it already)
[10:21] <Adys> _ruben: how is konsole better than gnome-terminal? people say its better, i see no difference :/
[10:22] <kuil> _ruben: i still use kmail.. since I like the 'kontact' application...
[10:22] <kuil> but I think it can be better.. love to try mailody
[10:22] <_ruben> Adys: i wouldnt know .. never really used gnome
[10:22] <Adys> Bah hehe
[10:23] <_ruben> kuil: im using kontact as well in fact .. with only kmail and korganizer plugins tho
[10:23] <stefan> hi. is there anyone who has problems with wireless?
[10:23] <kuil> stefan: not anymore..
[10:23] <kuil> (lucky me :) )
[10:23] <_ruben> Adys: still hoping for the reattach functionality to come back .. you can detach a tab into a single window .. but cant go back
[10:23]  * kuil knocks on wood
[10:24] <Adys> oh
[10:24] <asdrubal> if I run 64bit ubuntu what problems will I have?
[10:24] <stefan> kuil: well i do have. ubuntu says i haven't got a wirelesscard. but that's not the truth, because on xp i had a wirelesscard.
[10:24] <asdrubal> will I be able to run wine games?
[10:25] <asdrubal> with say... nvidia drivers
[10:25] <kuil> stefan: lspci .. what does that tell  you?
[10:25] <void^> asdrubal: yes.
[10:25] <kuil> asdrubal: depends on the game ofcourse
[10:25] <asdrubal> void^, will I have to do LDPRELOAD?
[10:25] <Adys> asdrubal:  i run wine on amd64 without any problems
[10:25] <stefan> kuil: http://pastebin.com/m6eb7bd43
[10:25] <asdrubal> Adys, will any opengl games work on 65bit?
[10:25] <asdrubal> 64
[10:25] <PodMan99a> hey all with heron is there a apt-get i can run to show php colouring in vim
[10:25] <Adys> sure
[10:26] <kuil> stefan: can you do lsmod?
[10:26] <kuil> lsmod | grep iwl
[10:26] <asdrubal> Adys, so what problems might I run into if I run 64bit ubuntu
[10:26] <void^> asdrubal: i've just played il2 (ww2 flightsim) in opengl mode on my 64bit hardy, works perfectly.
[10:26] <asdrubal> void^, you have nvidia card?
[10:26] <Adys> asdrubal: Not wine ones most likely
[10:26] <void^> yes.
[10:26] <asdrubal> so wine opengl games wont work
[10:26] <asdrubal> ?
[10:27] <kuil> stefan: you have the same card as I have
[10:27] <void^> did i just say "works perfectly"?
[10:27] <KenSentMe> stefan, are you running a clean install or an upgrade from gutsy. For the latter: install the linux-restricted-modules packages
[10:27] <stefan> kuil:
[10:27] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ lsmod | grep iwl
[10:27] <stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:27] <stefan> iwlwifi_mac80211      251876  1 iwl3945
[10:27] <stefan> cfg80211               17680  1 iwlwifi_mac80211
[10:27] <asdrubal> ok
[10:27] <asdrubal> heh
[10:27] <stefan> i installed the beta version of 8.04
[10:27] <kuil> that looks ok
[10:27] <kuil> stefan: and iwconfig?
[10:27] <kuil> i run the beta (with daily updates) as well
[10:28] <void^> asdrubal: in general opengl works way better than d3d in wine.
[10:28] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ iwconfig
[10:28] <stefan> lo        no wireless extensions.
[10:28] <stefan> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[10:28] <stefan> strange i think.
[10:28] <salted-light> hi averyone. i'm new to linux, just a few days since i've used first time...
[10:28] <salted-light> jus one thing: the iso image from torrent seems to be broken, but the check was ok...
[10:29] <kuil> stefan: dmesg | grep 3945
[10:29] <salted-light>  wen checked the cd there was just one eror in 1 file... did work to install, just using it, but some files were "diferent" and i have used the "skip" option...
[10:29] <salted-light> there seems to be more errors but i think i'l reinstall it...
[10:29] <stefan> wait i have to paste it
[10:30] <stefan> http://pastebin.com/m60f79897
[10:31] <salted-light> someone should check this... beside this, i hope that i am wrong and not the cd image :))
[10:31] <salted-light> cheers averyone... have fun :)
[10:34] <kuil> stefan: there is a switch.. that made it disabled..
[10:35] <kuil> enabeling it on a life system hasn't worked for me
[10:35] <kuil> I had to enable it .. and then reboot (maybe reload drivers should work as well)
[10:35] <kuil> but the line "adio Frequency Kill Switch is On:" shouldn't be there
[10:36] <kuil> you can try rmmod iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945
[10:36] <stefan> well there is no button on my case for it
[10:36] <kuil> after you enabled it
[10:36] <stefan> i had to press fn+f6
[10:36] <kuil> k..
[10:36] <kuil> and if you enable it and then reload the module?
[10:36] <kuil> (rmmod and modprobe)
[10:36] <kuil> does that work for you?
[10:37] <kuil> usually you can choose to disable that key and always have it on in your bios settings
[10:37] <stefan> rmmod iwl3945
[10:37] <stefan> doest not exist
[10:38] <stefan> in /proc/modules
[10:38] <kuil> 11:27 < stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:38] <kuil> it is listed there
[10:38] <kuil> so you should be able to do (as root/sudo) rmmod
[10:38] <KRF> stefan, computer modelüß
[10:38] <KRF> model?
[10:39] <dredhammer> gstreamer dvd playback seems once again to be broken with the latest gstreamer upgrade
[10:39] <stefan> oh i writed wil:S:D
[10:39] <stefan> lgs1
[10:39] <kuil> :)
[10:40] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo rmmod iwl3945
[10:40] <stefan> [sudo] password for stefan:
[10:40] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$
[10:40] <stefan> did that change something?
[10:40] <kuil> lsmod | grep 3495
[10:40] <kuil> now the module should be unloaded
[10:41] <kuil> after that please to modprobe iwl3945
[10:41] <kuil> and then dmesg | grep 3945
[10:41] <kuil> to check if that line is still there
[10:41] <stefan> if i enter lsmod | grep 3945 nothing happens. is that good?
[10:41] <kuil> probably all modules are removed
[10:42] <kuil> that would be ok
[10:42] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ modprobe iwl3945
[10:42] <stefan> FATAL: Error inserting iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:42] <kuil> sudo
[10:42] <kuil> sorry
[10:43] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo modprobe iwl3945
[10:43] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$
[10:43] <stefan> nothing happens.
[10:43] <kuil> could you try the lsmod again?
[10:44] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo lsmod | grep 3945
[10:44] <stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:44] <stefan> iwlwifi_mac80211      251876  1 iwl3945
[10:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm
[10:45] <Zvezdichko> soon my upgrade is going to be completed. I wonder whether there will be problems, because I installed KDE 4 for Gutsy
[10:45] <kuil> stefan: and dmesg?
[10:45] <kuil> or iwconfig
[10:46] <kuil> anybody here knows why tab completion is removed in hardy over 'ssh' (scp)
[10:46] <kuil> that used to work (after installing a authorized key)
[10:47] <orvokki> Check that you have a shell that supports it.
[10:48] <stefan> http://pastebin.com/mdacaba8
[10:49] <stefan> iwconfig: still no wireless extensions
[10:52] <kuil> orvokki: how?
[10:52] <orvokki> Well, which shell are you using? echo $SHELL
[10:53] <kuil> stefan: [ 2749.817881] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
[10:53] <kuil> [ 2749.817886] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
[10:53] <kuil> somehow it is still on.. don't know how to disable that on your pc .. sorry..
[10:53] <kuil> you don't have a dell d820?
[10:54] <kuil> orvokki: /bin/bash
[10:54] <kuil> which I guess I was using on fiesty as well
[10:54] <Ng> kuil: install bash-completion and the ssh completion will return
[10:55] <PodMan99a> hey all ... my dell usb keyboard on heron is not recognising correct commands from keyboard on the numpad
[10:55] <kuil> Ng: thx!
[10:55] <kuil> that worked
[10:57] <KRF> stefan, add "noapic" to your boot kernel parameters
[10:57] <KRF> maybe thatll help
[10:58] <stefan> okey
[10:59] <stefan> krf: how to?
[10:59] <stefan> sudo apt-get install noapic?
[10:59] <KRF> stefan, no. you know how to edit files with nano?
[11:00] <stefan> :S
[11:00] <stefan> not really...
[11:01] <tehknow> can someone help me with a dual monitor setup on hardy?
[11:02] <tehknow> I had it working in 7.10, but when I upgraded I changed the video driver by mistake
[11:02] <KRF> stefan, run `sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst`
[11:02] <KRF> then add "noapic" to the line that starts with "# kopt"
[11:02] <tehknow> now whenever I try to change the settings using the the 'screens and resolution' app x crashes and fails
[11:02] <KRF> then run `sudo update-grub`, restart
[11:03] <tehknow> 'screens and graphics' *
[11:03] <kuil> tehknow: problem with dual screen here as well :(
[11:03] <tehknow> it was working, which is the annoying thing
[11:03] <tehknow> I just want it to work again.
[11:03] <kuil> hmm.. not here
[11:03] <tehknow> I used envy to install drivers on gutsy
[11:04] <KRF> i dont have the courage to try out dual head
[11:04] <KRF> :P
[11:04] <tehknow> and it worked, but now it doesn't I can't remember what I changed it from
[11:05] <stefan> # kopt=root=UUID=9f51f4e0-c91f-43b5-87cd-26269db8741b ro : this one?
[11:05] <tehknow> I have an nvidia geforce 6200 and 2 monitors, one vga and one dvi
[11:05] <kuil> intel driver here
[11:06] <tehknow> I am using a restricted driver, or so the hardware drivers pane tells me
[11:07] <tehknow> does anyone have any ideas?
[11:07] <KRF> stefan, yes
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> i have a little question. if you upgrade to hardy beta now and the stable release comes out, all you have to do to upgrade is open update manager, click on "reload" and the "new distro available" will appear?
[11:09] <tehknow> elbermungsterses, yes, its a seamless upgrade
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> or is it more complicated?
[11:09] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> sweet!
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> thanks.
[11:10] <stefan> like this:
[11:10] <stefan> # kopt=root=UUID=9f51f4e0-c91f-43b5-87cd-26269db8741b ro noapic
[11:10] <KRF> stefan, yes. save and run `sudo update-grub` and restart
[11:11] <stefan> ok gotta restart
[11:11] <stefan> 2 minutes
[11:16] <stefan> okey i'm back
[11:16] <stefan> there was again the message "no wireless card found"
[11:16] <bicyclist> Does anyone have a Ricoh Motion Eye Webcam running ?
[11:16] <bicyclist> I got one but it only works fine in cheese. Gives me wierd lines in xawtv
[11:21] <DistroJockey> stefan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[11:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[11:21] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe that will help
[11:22] <tmh__> yeah, "fix released", geez
[11:22] <stefan> okey. will look at it. gotta go for lunch
[11:22] <DistroJockey> stefan: even thought it says sound, it may relate
[11:24] <Zvezdichko> a new open office released, will it be integrated in hardy?
[11:26] <testi> apt-get says, that I have to run 'dpkg --configure -a' because dpkg was interrupted. I then run that command which doesn't successfully return (update-initramfs can't find a directory /lib/modules/2.6.24.3 and fails)
[11:27] <testi> and it seems that if it doesn't successfully return dpkg keeps in that state 'interrupted'
[11:39] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: maybe try:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:39] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: backup xorg.conf first
[11:40] <jimqode> what does -phigh do?
[11:40] <DistroJockey> jimqode: not entirely sure :)
[11:41] <DistroJockey> jimqode: but that's what xorg.conf says to do :)
[11:41] <jimqode> DistroJockey, :) I always used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. it works. weird...
[11:41] <DistroJockey> jimqode: automatic updated if it was edited it says
[11:41] <markvandenborre> DistroJockey: sorry, I should have mentioned that I'm mostly doing this
[11:41] <markvandenborre> to shake out bugs
[11:41] <markvandenborre> from the upgrade process
[11:42] <markvandenborre> not for my own benefit really
[11:42] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: ahh, I never upgrade :)
[11:42] <DistroJockey> nods
[11:42] <markvandenborre> I apt-get dist-upgraded
[11:43] <markvandenborre> had a customised xorg.xonf before
[11:43] <DistroJockey> I will try that one day :)
[11:43] <markvandenborre> when I used that one, I had working scrolling touchpad
[11:44] <markvandenborre> but my screen would be blank when putting the thing to sleep
[11:44] <markvandenborre> (in hardy, worked fine in gutsy)
[11:44] <J-_> hmm, it seems the volume applet has crashed
[11:44] <markvandenborre> I moved my xorg.conf aside, and the problem was gone
[11:45] <J-_> well, not my applet, but the thing when you adjust volume with extra keys a thing comes up saying what volume you're at
[11:45] <DistroJockey> xorg is quite a bit different in Hardy
[11:46] <markvandenborre> I'm curious on how an end user would have to deal with that
[11:46] <DistroJockey> nods
[11:46] <adinc> does someone know where the kernel sources are installed if i install the ubuntu kernel source package?
[11:46] <DistroJockey> upgrades from gutsy seem to be not going that well in a few areas
[11:46] <jimqode> adinc, /usr/src
[11:47] <adinc> jimqode: and does this include the original .config which is used in the precompiled package?
[11:47] <jimqode> adinc. no you can find the config file in /boot
[11:48] <adinc> jimqode: but this config does not cover all the switches, like those from the ubuntu modules for example
[11:48] <jimqode> adinc, ubuntu modules are a seperate package
[11:49] <stefan> okey i'm back
[11:49] <DistroJockey> wb
[11:49] <stefan> distrojockey:: did you send me this url?
[11:49] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe
[11:49] <adinc> jimqode: yes, i would like to have the kernel sources and the used config file for the kernel in hardy, where do i get this from?
[11:50] <DistroJockey> stefan: what were we talking about again?
[11:50] <stefan> distrojockey: about my wireless that doesn't work
[11:50] <stefan> and you sent me an url to solve this problem
[11:50] <stefan> wait
[11:50] <stefan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[11:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[11:51] <DistroJockey> stefan: yes, I sent that url
[11:52] <stefan> distrojockey: well there's en error during installing it. can't find this package^
[11:52] <jimqode> adinc, you also need linux-restricted-modules package for a complete ubuntu kernel.
[11:52] <jimqode> adinc, they can't be included in kernel source package because some of them are not even open source.
[11:52] <adinc> jimqode: ahhh, so the linux-kernel source and the restricted modules sources?
[11:53] <DistroJockey> stefan: as I did not post it and havn't really looked into it, maybe the kernel version is different or you don't have the repository enabled?
[11:53] <jimqode> adinc, yes. but if you are just trying to make custom kernel, compile the kernel from the sources with the config file from /boot, then reinstall restricted modules. you don't have to recompile them
[11:54] <adinc> if i download the packaged ubuntu kernel sources, where does it install them? that the iwl3945 driver for example is not switched on in the /boot config file it must have been done somewhere else
[11:54] <adinc> jimqode: the reason why i wanted make my own kernel is because of this module, since this doesn't work with hardy i wanted to test it
[11:55] <stefan> distrojockey:: how can i find this repository?
[11:55] <jimqode> adinc you don't need kernel sources to compile a module, just headers is fine.
[11:56] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe in System - Administration - Software Sources
[11:56] <adinc> adinc: have you got a wiki page for me somewhere?
[11:56] <jimqode> adinc, http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[11:56] <DistroJockey> stefan: but not really sure what repo it would be in
[11:57] <jimqode> adinc, this is for kernel compilation. if you are just compiling a module be sure linux-headers is installed then ./configure, make, modprobe -i module_name
[11:57] <adinc> you mean configure in the module source?
[11:59] <[Ramy]> i'm trying to boot hardy image from hard disk i stopped at phillip lougher?
[12:00] <stefan> distrojockey:: do you think a reinstallation could solve the problem?
[12:01] <jimqode> adinc, yes
[12:01] <DistroJockey> stefan: if you have a spare hard drive you can test on, a clean install is worth a try I guess
[12:01] <stefan> okey
[12:02] <DistroJockey> stefan: but I can't say for sure it will help
[12:02] <stefan> thanks for help
[12:02] <DistroJockey> np problem
[12:02] <DistroJockey> good luck
[12:02] <stefan> well it's how you say: it's worth a try:=
[12:02] <Ng> [Ramy]: he worked on the ubuntu kernel for a while - can you be a little more specific about where it stopped?
[12:02] <stefan> np;)
[12:02] <DistroJockey> indeed :)
[12:02] <DistroJockey> heh
[12:03] <DistroJockey> used to typing np, but tried to type more fully ;P
[12:04] <[Ramy]> Ng it stooped at usb1- configuration
[12:08] <Ng> [Ramy]: hmm that's quite strange. did the liveCD work?
[12:10] <Svish> how does the updater thingy work with running applications?
[12:10] <Pici> Svish: What do you mean?
[12:10] <Svish> it was a pidgin update I saw. and it updated. but I am using it.
[12:10] <Svish> is it updated? or will i have to restart pidgin?
[12:10] <Svish> or maybe the computer?
[12:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, was I talking with someone who had issues with their usb ports?
[12:10] <Pici> Svish: No, you need to restart pidgin
[12:11] <Svish> ok, thats what I thought
[12:11] <Svish> thanks :)
[12:12] <Svish> anyone here having used Aptana in ubuntu before?
[12:12] <[Ramy]> Ng yes
[12:13] <[Ramy]> i pressed alt+enter and everythinn is working now
[12:13] <Svish> Is Screens and Graphics supposed to work?
[12:13] <Svish> cause when I use it, it messes everything up...
[12:15] <Svish> ubuntu managed to find the correct resolution and stuff during setup, but if I try to adjust anything in Screens and Graphics, it goes mental and all I get is like... 800x600 or something like that
[12:15] <Svish> reinstalled ubuntu to get it back to normal :S
[12:17] <jimqode> Svish, it is supposed to work. You should look for a bug report for that, if there are none you should open one.
[12:18] <wangfg-x31> why my gui system menus not work?
[12:19] <Svish> jimqode: would like to investigate it further, but thing is that I dont really want to reinstall ubuntu again :p
[12:19] <jimqode> keep a copy of your xorg.conf somewhere
[12:19] <Svish> is it a way to make ubuntu run its... hardware automagic setup stuff again?
[12:20] <jimqode> Svish, "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver" should bring your display settings back
[12:20] <amx109> on my first initial login, the 'desktop' part doesnt render, but if i logout and log back in it comes back. anyone having a similar problem?
[12:20] <Svish> -phigh?
[12:21] <jimqode> Svish, i don't know what phigh does. xorg.conf says to add it.
[12:21] <Svish> aha
[12:21] <jimqode> Svish, you should backup your xorg.conf anyway
[12:21] <Dr_willis> check the man pages for dpkg-reconfigure
[12:22] <Svish> jimqode: yeah, working on it now :)
[12:22] <Dr_willis> and yes ALWAYS keep backups of imporntant files like that one. :)
[12:22] <Dr_willis> its amazing how minimal my xorg.conf is in Hardy.
[12:22] <Dr_willis> I dont even see a driver 'nvidia' line.
[12:22] <Svish> jimqode: so if I mess things up, I would just boot up in recovery mode, replace it with backup, and reboot in normal mode?
[12:23] <Dr_willis> if it messes up, go to console, replace it. resart kdm/gdm - no need to boot to reciovery mode. :)
[12:23] <dns53> the new xorg is suppost to work without an xorg.conf, have not tested it though
[12:23] <jimqode> Svish, just press ctrl+alt+f1. it should take you to a console. you can copy the file over there. then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' . your x server should restart
[12:23] <Svish> hm... section screen looks very weird... Identifier "Default Screen", Monitor "Configured Monitor", Device "Configured Video Device" :|
[12:23] <jimqode> Svish, no need for rebooting
[12:23] <Svish> aha
[12:23] <Dr_willis> dns53,  makes it a bit hard for me to set up my nvidia logo then. :)
[12:24] <Svish> cool
[12:27] <Zvezdichko> wow, my upgrade started, but I feel
[12:27] <Zvezdichko> I missed the config of gdm :(
[12:27] <Spenc3> does hardy supports the new version of OSS driver?
[12:34] <NET||abuse> is there a package for floola at all?
[12:34] <NET||abuse> i want to find a good app for working with ipods,, and i'm not a fan of gtkpod
[12:35] <amx109> NET||abuse, tried amarok?
[12:35] <NET||abuse> mmm, is amarok 1st not only a kde app, but also a bit on the heavy side
[12:35] <amx109> works well for me under gnome
[12:36] <NET||abuse> well sure you can load it in gnome, but the extra weight of kde libraries, and just the bloat of unneccessary features is too much..
[12:36] <NET||abuse> I only have a celeron m 1.4Ghz laptop here ;)
[12:36] <amx109> ah
[12:36] <NET||abuse> that said, it doesn't stop me running lotsa nice compiz effects, awn and gnome-do :)
[12:37] <amx109> heh, i run compiz on my eee. well worth it
[12:37] <NET||abuse> oooh, eee i love it
[12:38] <NET||abuse> was at the lug meeting here last night, one of the guys has one, i wanted to play with it...
[12:38] <amx109> how much memory do u hav in your laptop?
[12:38] <NET||abuse> 1.25GB
[12:38] <amx109> the default xandros OS that came with the eee had amarok as its music player
[12:38] <co0lingFir3> hey folks! how do i disable the integrity check in brasero?
[12:38] <NET||abuse> co0lingFir3, hmm, i'll check,, though isn't it a good thing to do ;)
[12:39] <warrend> hi
[12:39] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: hmm, it might be a good thing, but useless imho
[12:39] <NET||abuse> co0lingFir3, go to edit->plugins, disable the md5sum plugin
[12:39] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: takes quite long for me and i really dont need it
[12:39] <warrend> i would like to know if it is normal that now with hardy the bootsplash is ugly?
[12:40] <Lynoure> ugly?
[12:40] <warrend> before it looked smaller and better
[12:40] <warrend> yeah
[12:40] <NET||abuse> yeh, the progress bar on the boot splash is too fat
[12:40] <warrend> it's like you're booting in a too little reolustion
[12:40] <Lynoure> no idea what you mean, so I'd say "no"
[12:40] <warrend> and the bootsplash is too great
[12:40] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: thx
[12:40] <warrend> isn't it a bug?
[12:41] <warrend> for example the bootsplash should be vga=795 in 1280x1024x32
[12:41] <warrend> but it isn't the case
[12:41] <NET||abuse> warrend, nah, prolly just our community art work is a little off  :)
[12:41] <NET||abuse> my laptop can't even display 1280x1024,,
[12:41] <NET||abuse> so it couldn't be that by default no?
[12:41] <warrend> will it look back like on gutsy do you think?
[12:42] <NET||abuse> surely it's a 640x480 or 800x600
[12:42] <amx109> NET||abuse, my eee has a 600Mhz celeron processor and 2gb of ram. its running Amarok in gnome fine. you could try it and if u still dont like it, remove it?
[12:42] <warrend> it should be the same as your resolution (like in gutsy thoguhà)
[12:42] <NET||abuse> amx109, no, i've tried it and i really just want a lighter tool
[12:42] <amx109> NET||abuse, fair enough
[12:42] <NET||abuse> so was wondering if there was a floola deb being maintained somewhere.
[12:44] <tuntun> I install hardy using wubi, did 100MB of udpates, restarted and then got "initramfs" prompt. whats gone wrong?
[12:44] <amx109> NET||abuse, you could compile it into a deb and 'roll your own'?
[12:46] <wangfg-x31> why after boot x-windows, then the terminal cannot display charactors?
[12:46] <tuntun> I install hardy using wubi, did 100MB of udpates, restarted and then got "initramfs" prompt. whats gone wrong?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> we heard you the first time.
[12:47] <Zvezdichko> dunno
[12:47] <Dr_willis> :) and  i dont use wubi.. so no idea
[12:47] <Dr_willis> 100mb of updates? thats not a lot. I think i had 200+ just today
[12:47] <Changlinn> Anyone installed the Server version of 8.04 yet, I keep getting errors on install saying that there are files missing, I have verified the md5sum of the iso and burnt disk are all good, but a media check says it is bad, re-burnt same thing.
[12:48] <PodMan99a> hardy updates rock loads of them its great however im getting same thing with tuntun however i just booted to an older kernel
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> 200 mbs of updates?
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> wowwww!
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> you have to be kidding us :)
[12:49] <Dr_willis> I got about everything thats installable .. installed.. :)
[12:49] <tuntun> initramf[ile]s[ystem], is used the ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <Zvezdichko> I remember that last time I used Gutsy (it was still in the development branch) dpkg crashed and we had to return to an older version
[12:49] <Zvezdichko> until a fix is available
[12:54] <m12> hello
[12:55] <m12> since my prism54usb is not working right on HH , could i copy/paste on from GG to HH and use that one to have it working ?
[12:55] <Svish> um, does 8.04 have a minimum disk size for the root?
[12:56] <Zvezdichko> that's the scarriest part: setting up all software. it's the place where things may mess up
[12:57] <fromport> svish: which 8.04 version ? server kde gnome
[12:57] <Svish> um, regular desktop ubuntu
[12:57] <fromport> it's about  2.2 gig in total. without user data
[13:00] <Svish> it didnt say anything against my partitioning on my laptop. but on my friends laptop it says something like: Some of the partitions you made are too small. make the following partitions at least this large in bytes:
[13:00] <Svish> / 2006872576
[13:01] <kuil> hi.. any birt/eclipse users here?
[13:01] <Svish> the harddrive is 60 gb I think. i created a swap of 1gb and a ext3 for / of about 10 gb. the rest is for the already existing ntfs partition
[13:01] <kuil> I am having trouble with some birt/eclipse stuff since I updated to hardy.. (java swt-gtk stuff)
[13:01] <m12> kuil , yes
[13:01] <kuil> does that work for you?
[13:02] <m12> it works all without problem , but fresh install of beta
[13:02] <kuil> I can't preview any reports....
[13:02] <kuil> I got en 'incompatible version' error
[13:03] <kuil> "version mismatch"
[13:03] <Changlinn> Anyone installed the Server version of 8.04 yet, I keep getting errors on install saying that there are files missing or the CD is damaged, I have verified the md5sum of the iso and burnt disk are all good, but a media check says it is bad, re-burnt same thing.
[13:03] <Changlinn> md5sum /dev/cdrom and md5sum /path/to/8.04.iso give the same result, that matches the md5sums on the site
[13:03] <kuil> m12: are you using gnome or kde?
[13:03] <m12> kuil , gnome
[13:03] <Pici> Changlinn: Are you using a daily ISO of the server CD?
[13:03] <kuil> k.. maybe I should try that then...
[13:03] <Svish> do I choose Primary or Logical for the partitions?
[13:03] <m12> kuil , backup your evolution data
[13:03] <Changlinn> Pici: no, just the beta
[13:03] <m12> kuil , then try reinstall evolution
[13:03] <kuil> I don't use evolution... but thx!
[13:03] <m12> ok
[13:04] <busan> hello
[13:05] <Pici> Changlinn: Have you tried burning at the slowest speed your writer supports?
[13:05] <Changlinn> Pici: I am trying one of my pressed 7.10 desktops now
[13:05] <Changlinn> I don't think it is the burn, two burns from two different machines
[13:05] <busan> I'm trying ubuntu hardy 8.04
[13:06] <Changlinn> and md5sum the disk is fine
[13:06] <busan> can I downgrade my hardy to gutsi?
[13:06] <Dr_willis> !downgrade
[13:06] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> busan,  not likely.
[13:06] <Changlinn> #md5sum ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[13:06] <Changlinn> 81b5f754c5ee18d8c6f84e5d4f7f99c9  ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[13:06] <Changlinn> #md5sum /dev/cdrom
[13:06] <Changlinn> 81b5f754c5ee18d8c6f84e5d4f7f99c9  /dev/cdrom
[13:07] <busan> I have get many unsupport my system
[13:07] <Pici> Changlinn: Its possible that the iso itself was not built properly.
[13:07] <Changlinn> thats what I figured
[13:07] <Dr_willis> busan,  the system may work better with a clean install, not a upgrade also..
[13:07] <Changlinn> but I got it through the torrent and am still seeding it
[13:08] <Changlinn> from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso.torrent
[13:08] <Pici> Changlinn: Have you checked the md5sum from the website?
[13:08] <Changlinn> Pici: yep, it matches here http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/MD5SUMS
[13:08] <busan> a have report it, does team ubuntu will make a solution?
[13:09] <Changlinn> Pici: can i just wget -c the existing iso against the daily and have it finish it up :P
[13:09] <busan> des
[13:09] <Dr_willis> busan,  go to the bug reporting site and report good quality bugs. search to be sure they have not allredy been reported.
[13:10] <Pici> Changlinn: I do not know actually.  The daily isos are not tested with the same rigor that the proper releases are, so you may have other issues then.
[13:10] <Zvezdichko> will the upgrade from gutsy to hardy delete all old config files?
[13:10] <Pici> Zvezdichko: No.
[13:10] <Changlinn> Pici: I didn't download a daily did I?
[13:10] <Dr_willis> Zvezdichko,  they shouldent.
[13:10] <Pici> Changlinn: Nope.
[13:10] <busan> owh
[13:10] <Changlinn> hrmm
[13:11] <Zvezdichko> thank you, I'm still worried that I failed to configure kdm/gdm in the beginning
[13:11] <busan> :-D
[13:11] <Yazan-> hey, i have ubuntu running from a live CD and i want to connect to the internet, but it seems that the speedtouch connection icon(.lnk) doesn't open with ubuntu, so i want to download WINE and try openning the speedtouch from there
[13:11] <Changlinn> Pici: looks like an issue with this servers cd drive :(
[13:11] <Yazan-> will it work?
[13:11] <Pici> Changlinn: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205359
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205359 in ubuntu "Unable to install Hardy Beta Desktop i386" [Undecided,New]
[13:12] <Changlinn> Pici: as the pressed version of 7.10 dies too
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: oh
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: nevermind then!
[13:12] <Yazan-> any idea?
[13:12] <busan> where is chanel to learn c++?
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: This was the page I meant to link you to anyway: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1418
[13:12] <Pici> busan: /join ##C++
[13:12] <busan>  /join ##C++
[13:13] <busan>  /join #C++
[13:13] <m12> :)
[13:13] <busan> :-/
[13:13] <m12> wihtout space on start
[13:14] <busan> owh, sory, I'm just copy your msg
[13:14] <Changlinn> Pici: it could still be the driver ubuntu uses for the drive, as when the install fails and I go back to detect cdrom drive, and tell it not to use hdparm it seems to load a couple of the debs
[13:15] <Zvezdichko> cannot install compiz-gnome... :( that doesn't look well
[13:15] <busan> how to get c++ app for my hardy?
[13:16] <Zvezdichko> busan: sudo apt-get install g++
[13:16] <Zvezdichko> g++ -o program program.cpp
[13:16] <m12> Zvezdichko: compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[13:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Seems to be a bit of an issue with the nvidia packages..
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured - cannot install compiz
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> that's strange
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> this is the message I receive
[13:18] <m12> apt-get -f install
[13:20] <Zvezdichko> more details: We are sorry, the packet compiz:1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2 couldn't be installed. you can help if you send the bug to developers
[13:20] <busan> horee I have got my c++:-D
[13:21] <[Ramy]> i have 3945 abg intel wireless card . it's not working
[13:21] <busan> wait!!!! how to run my c++?
[13:22] <dns53> g++ file.c
[13:22] <busan> not run?
[13:23] <dns53> well that will compile it and create an executable called a.out, so run ./a.out after it is built
[13:24] <busan> ??
[13:24] <dns53> what are you building, the usual ./configure, make, make install is what people ususally do for applications you build from source
[13:24] <dns53> what are you building?
[13:25] <busan> sudo apt-get g++
[13:25] <jpatrick> !b-e
[13:25] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[13:25] <dns53> should be sudo apt-get install g++, but you may want to get the build-essentials package
[13:25] <Zvezdichko> well, after running apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:25] <Zvezdichko> I have no more packages
[13:26] <busan> how to run g++?
[13:26] <Zvezdichko> this means that Hardy was installed... and the system wants a restart
[13:26] <Zvezdichko> I'm a little worried about that :)
[13:29] <Dr_willis> busan,  install the build-essential package, then its 'gcc'
[13:29] <Dr_willis> brb.
[13:33] <strabes> I love that I am now able to resume from suspend using the fglrx drivers, but if I enable compiz my computer slows down insanely for like thirty seconds after resuming
[13:35] <Svish> how do you install a wireless card that was not enabled under the ubuntu installation?
[13:35] <quentusrex> Why is it that when I try to start a java web application the java control panel opens???
[13:36] <bicyclist> what happened to the xmms player ? I find xmms2 but xmms is no longer installable and several stream players depend on it.
[13:37] <Zvezdichko> ok, I successfully upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, the system loads OK
[13:38] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, how's your sound???
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> however, there are some issues that must be worked. Firstly, I have two kernels - 2.6.24-12-generic and 2.6.22-14 generic
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> quentusrex: my sound on KDE is out
[13:38] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, don't boot the 14 kernel
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> doh! thank you, I wanted to delete the old one!
[13:39] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, run the command: sudo apt-get install linux-image-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[13:39] <quentusrex> or something like that
[13:39] <quentusrex> the Hardy upgrade doesn't install the kernel modules.....
[13:39] <quentusrex> for some ****** reason...
[13:39] <Zvezdichko> can't find the package for modules
[13:39] <Zvezdichko> wait..
[13:39] <quentusrex> and the .24-14 kernel doesn't work...
[13:40] <[Ramy]> can anyone help me with Intel 3945 ABG ?
[13:40] <[Ramy]> i installed hardy beta
[13:41] <[Ramy]> the wireless card was detected but it does not wor k
[13:41] <elbermungsterses> i got a problem upgrading from Gusty to Hardy. the error is unclear at the moment, but it says something like "there was a bug and the possible reason is that you are upgrading to a pre-release" or something.
[13:41] <Zvezdichko> lol, I can't find the module file
[13:41] <elbermungsterses> i'll get the complete error message ASAP
[13:41] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[13:42] <indenial> anyone else getting lots of sigsegv errors in the beta?
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> wow, that's the file, thank you
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> :)
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> if the sound works after that, will it be a good idea to delete the old kernel?
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> probably yes.
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> at least, that's what i do.
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> and it works fine
[13:44] <indenial> anyone else getting lots of sigsegv errors in hardy?
[13:44] <elbermungsterses> is the upgrade process from hardy beta to stable seamless?
[13:44] <elbermungsterses> just wondering
[13:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, I have yet another question
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> I have installed KDE 4 before, on Ubuntu Gutsy...
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> it has remained there - is there something missing there?
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> it looks very much the same
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> only updated several of the files
[13:45] <tonybrewerio> this hardy-beta ruined my apache, anyone have the same prob? ffs -.-
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Using KDE4 right now. :) thers a lot of extras not installed by default for kder.
[13:47] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: that's ok... how to install the other stuff?
[13:48] <Dr_willis> with the package manager of course. :)
[13:48] <Dr_willis> i just downloaded some 200+ mb of exttra goodies to play with
[13:48] <elbermungsterses> wierd problem guys, i am only beginning to upgrade to hardy when update manager starts saying "627 updates available". is this normal?
[13:49] <Dr_willis> its saying updates are avial.. while its updateing? :) it must be monitoring some file and just flagging an alert..
[13:49] <Dr_willis> I tend to ignore that update manager whilei am doing things manually
[13:50] <chade> good morning, I really could use some help with a wireless card (Broadcom chipset).  I can connect to networks fine, but the card will not go above 1mb.  Can someone please help me?
[13:50] <steph_> I'm using hardy inside a virtual machine (vbox). But I have no sound. Is there someone here who has the same problem?
[13:52] <Dr_willis> steph_,  you did enable the soundcard for the virtual machine?
[13:53] <steph_> yes
[13:54] <steph_> And yes my speakers are on :)  Do I need a specific module for pulse inside vbox?
[13:54] <tehknow> I am having networking problems atm. I just installed a new zonet zn3301e gigabit network adaptor
[13:54] <tehknow> and I can't select it as my network device.
[13:55] <tehknow> its listed as a realtek card, but its not
[13:55] <steph_> What I understand from pulse audio, is that it is a sort of network soun server. Do I need to create a bridge from the host to the guest?
[13:55] <balgarath> Anyone running Beta on a Dell Inspiron 1501?
[13:56] <jimqode> balgarath, xps m1330 here
[13:56] <chade> balgarath:  i am running on a m1710 xps .. some of the hardware is similar, what is your question
[13:57] <Dr_willis> vbox shouldent need that steph_   pulse audio lets you do a lot of neet tricks. but not needed for vbox i think.... i could be wrong.
[13:57] <balgarath> was just curious how well everything worked..
[13:57] <steph_> Thanks. I'll search around.
[13:58] <chade> balgarath:  other than the wireless things work perfectly
[13:58] <chade> dell got cheap and put broadcom chipsets in everything
[13:58] <jimqode> balgarath, I have problem with my dell 1490 wireless adapter, other then that everything works fine. even all the weird buttons, fn key, card reader. I mean everything.
[13:58] <chade> see ... lol
[13:59] <balgarath> chade, did you end up using ndiswrapper or the other driver?
[13:59] <chade> my wireless works ... it just doesnt work above 1 mb
[13:59] <tehknow> can anyone help me?
[13:59] <chade> no .. fwcutter driver
[13:59] <chade> which works only mildly better than the ndis
[13:59] <jimqode> fwcutter here too, ndis does not work with mine
[13:59] <jimqode> wireless works but range is pretty limited
[13:59] <chade> problem being is that hardy installs the wrong fw for my card so it only works at 1mb
[14:00] <balgarath> gotcha, yeah the wireless sucks...did you guys have trouble in Gutsy with network-manager when you needed to switch to a diff wireless network?
[14:00] <balgarath> chade, that sucks
[14:00] <jimqode> I never had gutsy on my laptop. It's new and I started with hardy alpha 6
[14:00] <chade> not any problem here ... although before i got the update a few days ago it would act as though it was locked up even though it was working
[14:00] <jimqode> avahi sometimes creates problems on gutsy though
[14:01] <chade>  /agree .... most annoying ubuntu issue yet
[14:01] <bicyclist> balgarath, yes, that was the reason why i switched to wicd. Network Manager would sometime just tell me there are networks but would not connect to one.
[14:01] <jimqode> bicyclist, does wicd support wpa?
[14:01] <jburd> Yep
[14:01] <balgarath> bicyclist, thanks I'll check it out
[14:01] <chade> i think that bug is fixed now ... btw
[14:01] <chade> its fixed on mine now at least
[14:01] <balgarath> chade, network-manager?
[14:02] <chade> yeah
[14:02] <bicyclist> balgarath it is the thing i am using in the moment with hardy and it works very smoothly.
[14:02] <chade> i got an update i think on wed to it that caused it to stop that nonsense
[14:02] <balgarath> bicyclist, I will definitely check it out - so annoying :)
[14:03] <balgarath> So did you guys(besides jimqode) do the update from gutsy or a fresh install?
[14:03] <chade> mine was an upgrade from gutsy
[14:03] <bicyclist> I did the upgrade and it worked quiet smoothly
[14:03] <chade> ohh btw the xps light changer also doesnt work in hardy if you have an xps
[14:03] <balgarath> awesome, I had heard of troubles going from feisty to gutsy with the update
[14:04] <balgarath> one more thing - I'm running UbuntuStudio(RT kernel) - update should still work fine right?
[14:05] <chade> wish i could say for sure ..
[14:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> anyone used the gcalctool in hardy yet?
[14:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it seems to like putting in too many commas :)
[14:05] <balgarath> is hardy a new kernel?
[14:06] <Pici> balgarath: Yes. 2.6.24
[14:06] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> sigh... perhaps I'm stepping on IRC toes here
[14:06] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if I'm coming across as a newbie... I am
[14:06] <Dr_willis> ta_bu_shi_da_yu,  i dont see it puting any commas in
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> type in 1000-2005
[14:07] <Dr_willis> Aha - ctrl-k to ENAABLE the 1000's seperator
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I get the result -1,,005
[14:07] <Dr_willis> yes - it is putitng in 2 commas.
[14:07] <Dr_willis> I dont need no stinking commas!
[14:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> also try switching it to advanced mode
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> then use braces...
[14:08] <balgarath> I'm going to need a wired connect to install bwcutter aren't I?
[14:08] <r_heliman> WOW a lot of people here...
[14:08] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> type in 1+(5+6)
[14:08] <Dr_willis> it has commas in all the wrong places.
[14:08] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it shows as 1,+(5,+6)
[14:08] <Dr_willis> 91,,66,6,6,66,,575
[14:09] <Dr_willis> 10,0,0,00,,000,,00,0,0,00,,000
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> anyway, I lodged a bug with the gnome bugzilla... but should I lodge one on launchpad?
[14:09] <Dr_willis> it may or may not be gnome specific. so yes.
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> cool
[14:09] <Pici> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: Sure, you can link the bug reports together too.
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah? how so?
[14:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> sorry... I'm a newbie... trying to read doco as I go
[14:10]  * Pici looks for the option
[14:10] <nemo> ok. iwl3945 keeps failing for me. and others, apparently.
[14:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I only hit one snag - for some reason I had an xgl-server installed
[14:10] <nemo> Does anyone know of whether anyone out there is maintaining ipw3945 for 2.6.24 ? in source, bin module or package form?
[14:10] <r_heliman> I just want to report a problem I am having with Ubuntu 7.10 and want to know if this problem is solved in Ubuntu 8.04? The problem is dat I am using a ATI radeon 9600 driver in my laptop. The laptop has a resolution of 1400x1050, and an external monitor has resolution 1280x1024. The problem is that the mouse is not vissable as a mouse on the external monitor, but just like a cube. This problem can only be fixed what I knew is to also ret
[14:10] <r_heliman> urn the laptop screen resolution back to 1280x1024 as the external monitor. but then the laptop is terrible,,, you will get a headacke of that
[14:11] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> this killed sessions
[14:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I also discovered a bug in Firefox 3 where it doesn't repaint
[14:12] <Pici> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: eh.. I forget where it is, just put the bugzilla link in the report then
[14:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> this is logged with mozilla... I'm guessing that as it's now confirmed I don't need to log it in launchpad?
[14:12] <JediMaster> stupid question =)... I'm trying to run a program that I've just "make install"ed... the file is physically there, but I keep getting: "sudo: unable to execute /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory"
[14:13] <JediMaster> I've double checked with ls -al and it's there with rwxr-xr-x permissions
[14:13] <Ng> nemo: the kernel team will be looking after it
[14:13] <JediMaster> did exactly the same thing on gutsy and it works fune
[14:13] <JediMaster> er fine
[14:13] <Ng> nemo: it's in lum
[14:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Dr_willis: I didn't have to switch on the thousands seperators... did you have to switch it on manually?
[14:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> great timing
[14:16] <chade> Anyone having an issue with apt-get autocompleting?  autocomplete is working everywhere except there as far as i can tell
[14:17] <JediMaster> argh, big hairy balls... running AMD64, still bash just saying the file doesn't exist is a weird error
[14:17] <matjan_work> have any of the updates over the past few days caused trouble? i have 105 package updates waiting, so i was just wondering...
[14:17] <chade> matjan_work:  they fixed a lot of my issues in fact
[14:18] <matjan_work> chade, that's good to hear, what issues for instance?
[14:18] <chade> network-manager locking up
[14:18] <Tuv0k> any know reason freenx is not in the repos for hardy?
[14:19] <Dr_willis> Tuv0k,  the company behind it may h ave not released it yet.
[14:19] <Dr_willis> check the freenx homepage?
[14:19] <Tuv0k> its released
[14:19] <Tuv0k> been released
[14:19] <RainCT> chade: do you have package bash-completion installed?
[14:19] <Pici> Tuv0k: Freenx wasn't in the other releases repos either
[14:19] <Linuturk> http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com << serious business indeed
[14:19] <Tuv0k> ok
[14:19] <Tuv0k> and so why not hardy?
[14:19] <chade> rainct .. yes but apt-get still doesnt autocomplete
[14:19] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Bug #208260 is now installed
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208260 in gcalctool "Too many commas in gcalctool" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208260
[14:20] <Tuv0k> the latest release need not be there
[14:20] <Tuv0k> but some release of some kind?
[14:20] <RainCT> hm.. here it autocompletes even without it
[14:20] <Pici> Tuv0k: FreeNX is not in any Ubuntu repositories.
[14:21] <Tuv0k> why do you keep saying that?
[14:21] <hansjd> what am i doing wrong... i just installed ubuntu 8.04 (beta), and i cannot use sudo anymore
[14:21] <Tuv0k> so what
[14:21] <Tuv0k> why not put it in the one that is in development
[14:21] <hansjd> hansjd@hansjd-ubuntu:~$ sudo
[14:21] <hansjd> sudo: unable to resolve host hansjd-ubuntu
[14:21] <Tuv0k> using your "logic" no new apps would ever be added?
[14:22] <waylandbill> Tuv0k: isn't freeNX proprietary?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> no hence "free"
[14:22] <chade> tuv0k:  any reason to be rude to people that are trying to help you ?
[14:22] <Zvezdichko> line dropped
[14:22] <RainCT> hansjd: do you have "127.0.0.1 localhost hansdj-ubuntu" in /etc/hosts?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> the company nomachine is proprietary?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> chade lookup the word
[14:22] <Tuv0k> no one was being "rude"
[14:23] <Dr_willis> They have a 'free' version.but its not gpl free
[14:23] <bazhang> Tuv0k: please calm down
[14:23] <RainCT> chade: no idea, sorry
[14:23] <waylandbill> Tuv0k: free doesn't mean it isn't proprietary. free != open
[14:23] <Tuv0k> Dr_willis, there we go, thanks
[14:23] <Dr_willis> i think is the 'proper' way to    say it.
[14:23] <Tuv0k> ty
[14:23] <Dr_willis> free as in beer, vs free as in speach
[14:23] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of 'free' things that are not free.. :)
[14:23] <Zvezdichko> how can I change the taskbar size in KDE 4 (Kubuntu Hardy)?
[14:24] <hansjd> RainCT, ; yes it is there on first line
[14:24]  * Tuv0k calm down, no one is hyped? 
[14:24]  * orvokki hugs Tuv0k 
[14:24]  * Tuv0k :) thx
[14:25] <Pici> Tuv0k: Please read this if you want to request that FreeNX be packaged for Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages  . It will not make it in for Hardy though, we are well past the freeze dates.
[14:25]  * Tuv0k I know that, I was just asking
[14:25] <hansjd> RainCT, : sorry... one sec
[14:26] <Hammer89_> hi... I recently upgraded to 8.04 beta... and I'm having some graphics issues... right now my screen res is set way down... and for whatever reason I can't change it... anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? or even what could be wrong
[14:26] <orvokki> Which display adapter card?
[14:26] <bazhang> Hammer89_: what card and how were drivers installed
[14:26] <hansjd> RainCT, : this is what i've got
[14:26] <hansjd> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[14:26] <hansjd> 127.0.1.1 hansjd-ubuntu.OEK
[14:27] <waylandbill> Tuv0k: looks like nomachine GPL'd the libraries. If you want to see it in the repos, I'd request the MOTU add it for inclusion in future releases.
[14:27] <Dr_willis> Zvezdichko,  last i looked you couldent. try right clcking on it and looking in the menus
[14:27] <RainCT> hansjd: try replacing the first line with   127.0.0.1 localhost hansjd-ubuntu
[14:27] <bazhang> taskbar is the panel? at the bottom there?
[14:28] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: that was great, thank you!
[14:28] <Tuv0k> waylandbill, thx for checking that out.
[14:28] <Dr_willis> the obvious place to look is alwyas the last place one looks.
[14:28] <Hammer89_> bazhang: ummm... it's not my computer... lemme check... it's a radeon HD 3870 gpu... I think I just installed the standard restricted drivers
[14:28] <hansjd> RainCT, : i can't... i can't get sudo privelegues (spell)
[14:28] <RainCT> hansjd: with a live CD or something.. :)
[14:29] <bazhang> Hammer89_: no third party scripts?
[14:29]  * Tuv0k JC it was not a support question. Just thought I'd ask real people in realtime?
[14:29] <hansjd> will it work with older version? eg 7.04?
[14:29] <Hammer89_> bazhang: it's a fresh install... I didn't change anything from what the installer did... and the restricted driver manager
[14:30] <RainCT> hansjd: yes, sure
[14:30] <hansjd> RainCT, : ok... thanx
[14:30] <Hammer89_> bazhang: I updated from 7.10 though... dunno if that has anything to do with it
[14:30] <bazhang> Hammer89_: how about sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? tried that yet--if that does not work then pastebin your xorg.conf and we can take a look at it
[14:31] <Hammer89_> bazhang: sure
[14:31] <Hammer89_> bazhang: this is lovely... alt-ctrl-F2 is giving me a "no display" notice on my monitor :P
[14:32] <Zvezdichko> there's something very strange. the Program menu of KDE 4 has no icons in Kubuntu (both Gutsy and Hardy), is there something missing
[14:34] <Hammer89_> bazhang: running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from the terminal is giving me a prompt asking if I want to use the kernel framebuffer interface... should I or should I not?
[14:35] <bazhang> Hammer89_: likely no; if in doubt just choose the default for the others
[14:41] <Hammer89_> bazhang: didn't work
[14:42] <Hammer89_> I can't even log into a normal session... gotta use the failsafe
[14:42] <bazhang> Hammer89_: can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[14:42] <Hammer89_> sure
[14:43] <Hammer89_> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/m5463e427
[14:44] <bazhang> thanks Hammer89_ looking now
[14:45] <tehknow> can someone help me with a problem I am having with my zonet xen3301e network card?
[14:45] <tehknow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4603864#post4603864 all the information is there,
[14:45] <tehknow> saves me spamming the channel
[14:45] <tehknow> any help would be very much appreciated
[14:45] <bazhang> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg try this Hammer89_; there appears to be some major stuff missing from your xorg.conf
[14:46] <Hammer89_> bazhang: will do
[14:46] <Hammer89_> bazhang: done... restart or ctrl-alt-backspace?
[14:47] <Svish> how do you get ubuntu to discover a new wireless device?
[14:47] <bazhang> Hammer89_: restart
[14:47] <Hammer89_> bazhang: okay... bbiab
[14:47] <tehknow> anyone able to help me?
[14:47] <waylandbill> Svish: the device will be located when a compatible kernel module is loaded.
[14:48] <Svish> so... restart?
[14:48] <Svish> or?
[14:48] <tehknow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4603864#post4603864 anyone?
[14:48] <humitos> Hi, I upgraded to Hardy and my drivers NVIDIA doesn't work. Anybody have the same problem?
[14:48] <tehknow> humitos, happened to me
[14:48] <tehknow> I had a dual display going
[14:48] <tehknow> I installed the latest envy and let it do its thing
[14:48] <humitos> I'm using "nv" drivers now, but it goes too slowly
[14:49] <humitos> thekorn: I try that...
[14:49] <tehknow> but I havn't got 2 screens working again yet, I am having other problems which I need to sort out first
[14:49] <chade> just for those dell people to know from earlier, I just installed the newest ndiswrapper with the newest broadcom driver from dell with the same results ... card still works, but only at 1mb
[14:49] <tehknow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4603864#post4603864 anyone?
[14:50] <waylandbill> Svish: if the supplied kernel modules don't find the device, you can try ndiswrapper.
[14:50] <tehknow> I have an install CD with windows drivers, do I need to get ndiswrapper going for it to work, or is that for wireless devices only?
[14:50] <chade> tehknow:  will you post any info that is relevant from /var/log/syslog please
[14:50] <tehknow> chade, will do
[14:51] <Hammer89_> bazhang: didn't work... still cant change my res... I'm also getting some daemon error on startup into  non-failsafe session
[14:51] <chade> tehknow:  also maybe the output from dmesg before and after you plug the card
[14:52] <hwilde> tehknow, you need to modprobe r8169
[14:52] <tehknow> I ran 'modeprobe r8169' nothing happened
[14:52] <hwilde> tehknow, /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
[14:52] <humitos> downloading
[14:52] <hwilde> that is the realtek module driver
[14:52] <tehknow> hwilde, how do I load it?
[14:53] <hwilde> with modprobe
[14:53]  * tehknow is a driver newbie, sorry
[14:53] <hwilde> tehknow, lsmod | grep 8169
[14:53] <hwilde> if it's there, it's loaded
[14:53] <m12> what is with prism54usb driver in hardy?it is not working with my card :( it was working with 7.10 without any problem or ndiswrapper
[14:53] <waylandbill> tehknow: if 'nothing happened' means that you didn't get an error, that's a good thing.
[14:53] <tehknow> I ran that and got
[14:54] <tehknow> r8169                  32900  0
[14:54] <hwilde> tehknow, ok so the module is loaded.  now run   "ifconfig -a"
[14:54] <tehknow> hwilde, ^
[14:54] <chade> thats a good sign
[14:54] <tehknow> ok
[14:54] <hwilde> does ifconfig show the new interface?
[14:54] <chade> good catch hwilde :-D ... i totally missed it
[14:54] <Hammer89_> bazhang: still there?
[14:54] <tehknow> hwilde, its showing one called eth2, which wasn't there before
[14:54] <tehknow> so yes
[14:54] <hwilde> tehknow, ifconfig eth2 up
[14:55] <hwilde> tehknow, dhclient eth2
[14:55] <bazhang> Hammer89_: of course!
[14:55] <Hammer89_> bazhang: did you get what I said before?
[14:55] <bazhang> Hammer89_: the daemon error stuff? was there anything else?
[14:55] <tehknow> hwilde, before I do that, I have both a working wireless adaptor on this machine and an onboard ethernet connection.
[14:56] <tehknow> If I take the cable from the onboard one I'll be disconnected
[14:56] <tehknow> can I have both the wireless and eth2 going at the same time?
[14:56] <Hammer89_> bazhang: nope... just that and being stuck at like an 800x600 res :P
[14:56] <hwilde> tehknow, sure why not
[14:56]  * tehknow rubs hands together
[14:56] <hwilde> tehknow, all you need now is to add eth2 to /etc/network/interface
[14:56] <tehknow> lets go then
[14:56] <bazhang> Hammer89_: try reinstalling those drivers; your xorg.conf shows no drivers at all
[14:57] <Hammer89_> odd
[14:57] <m12> can i set somehow "prism54usb" driver from 7.10 ti 8.04 ? (copy/paste or somthing)?
[14:58] <Hammer89_> bazhang: is there a way to run the restricted driver manager from the terminal? it aint showing up under system>administration
[14:58] <bazhang> Hammer89_: it has a new name iirc in Hardy..
[14:59] <Hammer89_> bazhang: where is it?
[14:59] <Hammer89_> bazhang: hardware drivers?
[14:59] <waylandbill> it's hardware drivers in hardy
[14:59] <bazhang> Hammer89_: aye
[15:00] <hwilde> m12, the probably is probably in hal (hardware access layer)  but if you want to try just find the .ko file and copy it over...
[15:00] <Hammer89_> bazhang: doh... it's saying it's not enabled... just enabled it so I'm gonna restart and give this a shot
[15:00] <bazhang> Hammer89_: hehe that might help
[15:01] <m12> hwilde: so i can try to copy prism53usb.ko to HH? what will happen on next upgrade ?
[15:03] <Hammer89_> bazhang: res issue is fixed... here's the daemon error: http://pastebin.com/d77df3a69
[15:04] <techknow> http://paste.mycodenow.com/view/7087be52 hwilde
[15:04] <techknow> sorry I disconnected there
[15:08] <bazhang> Hammer89_: you good now? let me check that error message
[15:09] <Hammer89_> bazhang: all seems good... minus the daemon issue... which is a nuisance at best :)
[15:09] <bazhang> Hammer89_: yeah that daemon error seems a kind of beta error; likely to be worked out soon enough ;]
[15:10] <Hammer89_> bazhang: okie dokie... thanks for he helpl!
[15:10] <bazhang> Hammer89_: it was you who did it ;]
[15:10] <clarezoe> the optin "touchpadoff  1" doesn't work in my xorg.conf file, anyone has the problem?
[15:11] <clarezoe> or any suggestions how to enable touchpad at start up
[15:12] <waylandbill> clarezoe: I disabled mine through gsynaptics if that helps.
[15:15] <clarezoe> waylandbill, thanks, I'll try it, need to restart X, brb
[15:15] <MythbuntuGuest48> i recently upgraded one of my mythfrontends to hardy and am having trouble with my sound
[15:16] <MythbuntuGuest48> cat /proc/asound/cards returns the error cat:/proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[15:17] <MythbuntuGuest48> the guys at mythbuntu said that means my sound card isnt recognized
[15:17] <MythbuntuGuest48> how can i fix this?
[15:17] <clarezoe> waylandbill, it works, thanks
[15:18] <humitos> thekorn: I instaled Envy and I have the same problem
[15:18] <bazhang> envy is now supported in Hardy?
[15:18] <h3sp4wn> Its strange hardy seems in a worse state now than its been throughout the release
[15:18] <bazhang> thought it was a fast way to break your system
[15:19] <humitos> I get this message: "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode. Your screen and graphics card could not be detected correctly. To use higher resolution, visual effect or multiple screen, you have configure the display itself"
[15:19] <h3sp4wn> Yeah with that there is better options
[15:19] <Hammer89_> bazhang: stll having some issues... I just installed some new emerald/metacity themes for the comuters owner... and logged into a normal session... but it gave me an error saying the session only lasted 10 seconds... and then took me back to the login screen
[15:22] <bazhang> Hammer89_: I am waiting until final before I do any compiz at all ;] beta software ya know
[15:22] <Hammer89_> bazhang: are there lots of bugs with compiz on 8.04 still?
[15:22] <gluer> bazhang: im running compiz all working fine
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> Apparantly nvidia has serious issues wth it
[15:23] <bazhang> Hammer89_: I believe that #compiz-fusion would be the place to ask for that if you dont get an answer here ;]
[15:23] <Kamicazi> Does anyone know why "sudo lshw" will not work?
[15:23] <Kamicazi> I've tried reinstalling it already
[15:28] <Hammer89_> bazhang: here are the errors I got: http://pastebin.com/d5c16ede2
[15:28] <Hammer89_> (from my .xsession-errors file)
[15:33] <Hammer89_> thoughts, anyone?
[15:33] <hwilde> you should try to simplify those xgl parameters.  maybe one of them is causing your error
[15:33] <hwilde> Starting Xgl with options:  -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[15:34] <Hammer89_> I wouldn't know how to change them/what to change them to
[15:35] <mcarolan> hey, i've got another drive mounted on my system with a fedora installation on, i can access most of the files fine, but i can't get into my home directory, it just says permission denied. Is there a way to change permissions so that i can access that directory?
[15:35] <hwilde> mcarolan, just go to root first
[15:35] <h3sp4wn> easiest way is just to have the same uid's on both installations
[15:35] <Hammer89_> sudo chmod?
[15:36] <hwilde> if you are root, you will have access.
[15:36] <hwilde> chmod or chown could mess it up if you reboot into fedora
[15:36] <mars> Hammer89_, I had the same problem with nvidia/Xgl
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> It couldn't if you had the same uid on both
[15:36]  * mars looks up the bug #
[15:37] <Hammer89_> mars: were you able to fix it?
[15:38] <mars> Hammer89_, no, the suggested fix is 'uninstall Xgl', but that completely destablizes compiz on nvidia
[15:38] <Hammer89_> marrs: bummer
[15:38] <mcarolan> h3sp4wn: uid as in username? the usernames are the same on both
[15:38] <Hammer89_> *mars
[15:38] <mars> so, it's Xgl + compiz + no Gnome
[15:38] <mcarolan> (and there's only 1 user on both)
[15:38] <mars> or Gnome + no compiz
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> mcarolan: As in the number
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> getent passwd `who`
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> (and then chroot and do the same in the fedora)
[15:40] <Hammer89_> mars: the computer's owner plans to do lots of video editing on the system... so maybe I'll just convince him to hold off on the eye-candy for a while (not the best if you're dealing with multimedia anyway)... I'll just reenable it when it's more stable... prolly install the compiz icon
[15:40] <h3sp4wn> It would be stupid to use compiz at the same time as trying to do that stuff
[15:40] <mars> Hammer89_, well, you can try it anyway.  You'll know pretty quickly if it works or not.
[15:40] <Hammer89_> yeah
[15:40] <mars> Hammer89_, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/197153
[15:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197153 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Fix released]
[15:41] <mars> that's where the rabbit hole starts :)
[15:41] <Hammer89_> lol
[15:42] <mcarolan> h3sp4wn: that worked, thanks for that
[15:43] <Hammer89_> how do you disable xrandr?
[15:44] <gluer> whats the easiest way to install full multimedia support in hardy with all codecs?
[15:45] <bazhang> ubuntu-restricted-extras, libdvdcss2 and win32codecs from medibuntu, realplayer from their site done gluer
[15:45] <yeager|> just did a fresh installation of hardy. doesn't seem to set the static IP address correctly. known bug?
[15:45] <hwilde> yeager|, pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[15:45] <gluer> bazhang: cheers
[15:45] <bazhang> ;]
[15:46] <yeager|> hwilde, everything is there except the broadcast line
[15:46] <yeager|> hwilde, i did configure it from network-manager
[15:47] <hwilde> yeager|, I'll believe it when I see it ... in pastebin
[15:49] <bhsx> are there any visualizer packages besides the libvisual packages?
[15:50] <yeager> hwilde, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61372/
[15:51] <yeager> hwilde, added the broadcast line and tried to reboot to see if the interface would go up.. but no
[15:51] <Milos_SD> there is a bug in new Pidgin ... I can not resize the area in conversatio window where I type
[15:51] <Milos_SD> :(
[15:52] <farkewie> hi i have toshiba a200 can anyone tell me how to test if bluetooth is being detected
[15:52] <hwilde> yeager, you need "auto eth0" in there for it to come up automagically
[15:52] <hwilde> I've seen this same question before.  is Hardy not adding the auto lines to the interfaces file or are people hacking them?
[15:53] <hwilde> or I should say, the network-manager
[15:53] <yeager> hwilde, i guess network-manager
[15:53] <hwilde> just add "auto eth0"  right above the iface eth0 line and you will be fine
[15:54] <yeager> hwilde, thanks, works now
[15:54] <hwilde> report it as a bug in network-manager, ii've seen multiple people with this same problem
[15:54] <yeager> hwilde, ok, will do!
[15:56] <brett_h> I just installed postgresql-8.3 on 8.04 beta, but it didn't initialize the cluster or ask me if I wanted to, now /etc/postgresql is empty and attempting to start the server does nothing --- any ideas?
[15:56] <farkewie> Can  anyone help with bluetooth?
[15:58] <yeager> hwilde, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/208320
[15:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208320 in network-manager "network-manager doesn't add "auto xxxx" in /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,New]
[15:58] <yeager> :-)
[16:01] <Pierro> Hello, i have a big problem
[16:02] <gluer> pierro: need a doctor?
[16:02] <Pierro> I used the install method of Installing on Windows all went well and booting yesterday was no problem... but today when i boot i get the BusyBox prompt and it wont load Ubuntu Hardy Heron
[16:03] <TheInfinity> Pierro: find out why :)
[16:03] <Pierro> ???
[16:03] <TheInfinity> logs will help
[16:03] <Pierro> i cant access the logs when i cant freaking boot into Ubuntu
[16:03] <bazhang> Pierro: this is dual boot or wubi
[16:03] <Pierro> Wubi method
[16:04] <bazhang> aha
[16:04] <Pierro> ok thats it...
[16:05] <Pici> !wubi | Pierro
[16:05] <ubotu> Pierro: wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[16:05] <bazhang> well beta with wubi should work..
[16:05] <Pici> Pierro: specifically the bug link
[16:05] <Pici> bazhang: I've heard a few people say that they had issues with wubi after doing an update
[16:05] <Pierro>   BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[16:05] <Pierro>       Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[16:05] <Pierro>       (initramfs)_
[16:06] <bazhang> Pici: thanks will remember ;]
[16:06] <evand> Pierro: please file a bug or start a thread on the forums if you're getting an initramfs prompt after installing.
[16:06] <Pierro> no point in having a busybox when you dont have a partition to mount because you installed via Wubi
[16:07] <Pierro> evand i was able to boot into it perfectly yesterday
[16:07] <evand> Pierro: Can you rephrase that, I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:07] <Pierro> and i dont see a point in starting a thread this problem seems to be around since 6.10
[16:07] <Pierro> so whats the point
[16:07] <Pierro> it didnt get fixed
[16:07] <evand> An initramfs prompt can be caused by any number of issues.
[16:07] <bazhang> wubi since fiesty?
[16:08] <Pierro> well then its just not WUbi but faulty code that never got patched
[16:08] <Pici> bazhang: Thats edgy
[16:08] <Pierro> i want to know how to boot into Ubuntu from BusyBox
[16:08] <Pierro> because it does seem like i will have to deal with it
[16:08] <Pierro> that way
[16:10] <Pierro> oh wait i have a brilliant idea i'll ask in debian
[16:10] <Pierro> to fullfill there little fable
[16:10] <Pierro> maybe they will pamper me and give me something that actually boots
[16:10] <evand> Pierro: Again, an initramfs prompt on it's own is not enough to determine what code is breaking or what is causing a bug.  Whatever issue you had previously is probably not the same as the issue you're experiencing now.
[16:11] <evand> Pierro: Please read the code of conduct.  Your attitude is not helping getting the bug fixed.
[16:11] <bazhang> debian has wubi?
[16:11] <Pierro> from 21 december 2006: Today I installed a third SATA drive in my PC (500GB Seagate), and now my previously perfect Edgy install will not boot with it at all. After choosing Ubuntu in GRUB, it goes to the loading screen like it normally would, but the the bar will not move at all. Then after about two minutes, it will go to this:
[16:11] <Pierro> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[16:11] <Pierro> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[16:11] <Pierro> lmao
[16:11] <TheInfinity> Pierro: if you want something getting fixed you have to make a bug report, not just "it does not work"
[16:11] <Pierro> haha
[16:11] <Pierro> this problem has been around for 2 years
[16:12] <evand> Again, this is not necessarily the same problem.  The initramfs prompt appears whenever the initramfs encounters an error.
[16:12] <Pierro> well obviously submitting bug reports doesnt seem to fix it
[16:12] <TheInfinity> if you didnt write a bug report all the 2 years - how could a dev get information about your specific problem?
[16:12] <Pierro> yes its the same problem
[16:12] <bazhang> why use beta software Pierro?
[16:12] <Pierro> it has something to do with hardware support
[16:12] <evand> How do you know, exactly?
[16:12] <Pierro> i can google and use deductive reasoning
[16:13] <Pierro> combine and compare bug reports
[16:13] <bazhang> heh
[16:13] <TheInfinity> and you know exacly all the time the same hardware was the problem? wow.
[16:13] <Pici> Pierro: Perhaps filing a bug report may reveal that it is an easy bug to fix.
[16:14] <evand> Pierro: unless you're seeing errors on the same line of execution in the logs with the same or very similar hardware, you cannot be certain that the bugs are the same.  Deductive reasoning is often flawed.
[16:14] <Pierro> no TheInfinity dont patronize me please i have to draw my own conclusions when you so called experts are all so clueless
[16:14] <bazhang> Pierro: that is not necessary
[16:14] <Pici> !guidelines | Pierro
[16:14] <ubotu> Pierro: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:15] <evand> Again, bugs in the initramfs often look similar, but that does not make them duplicates of each other.
[16:16] <evand> Ok, this is going in a circle.  Listen, file a bug and provide the logs or other information requested of you as part of the process and we'll do what we can to fix the bug.
[16:16] <evand> But please stop complaining here if you're not going to do that.  Whining about a problem with no intention of helping to get it resolved gets no one anywhere.
[16:16] <TheInfinity> evand: +1 :)
[16:16] <Pierro> Pici my uncle works as a volunteer for the redcross he used to operate rich people but you think he will put in a lesser effort because he is a volunteer he is doing a job/task the pay aspect doesnt matter thats a fallacious argument the volunteer card i have heard it all before its a fundamental flaw in open source support you are dealing with people and people get frustrated when they are treated like morons
[16:17] <Pici> Pierro: All we're doing is asking you to file a bug report. Just as evand calmly explained.
[16:17] <Pierro> i cant file a bug report i cant acces the Ubuntu data
[16:17] <TheInfinity> Pierro: you dont even listen to us - i mean a better question would be "how do i get information to make a good bug report"?
[16:18] <Pierro> a bug report doesnt help me
[16:18] <bazhang> Pierro: we all feel frustrated sometimes; you are using beta software where things are going to break.
[16:18] <Pierro> it all looks the same remember
[16:18] <Pierro> and all the info i have is what i posted earlier
[16:18] <nemo> Pierro: a bug report helps other people though
[16:18] <Pierro> no not in this case
[16:18] <Pici> Pierro: Then explain the information that you do have, the bug triagers will ask the right questions and help you get the information that they need.
[16:18] <TheInfinity> Pierro: there are lots of methods to get information if you just have busybox
[16:18] <nemo> Pierro: even if no one here knows an answer. more people will pay attention to the problem if a report is filed
[16:19] <nemo> other people may encounter it too
[16:19] <nemo> and developers may notice
[16:19] <evand> Pierro: You're clearly on a computer with internet access.  You can start by filing the bug at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug and then we can explain through the bug interface how to get any additional necessary information.
[16:19] <nemo> refusing to file a bug report is usually a selfish and counterproductive act
[16:19] <Pierro> yeah they have been encountering it even in final releases
[16:19] <Pierro> so its not an error related to the beta perse
[16:19] <Pici> Pierro: Do you have a bug number you can link us to?
[16:19] <Pierro> that generic its a beta this are going to break reply isnt good support psychology
[16:19] <Pierro> it pisses people off and i am not too afraid to say it
[16:20] <bazhang> Pierro: well that is the best I have; good day to you sir
[16:20] <ccooke> Pierro: *releases* get support. Betas get help debugging and, sometimes, advice.
[16:20] <Pierro> fine
[16:20] <ccooke> In some cases, the best advice is "Don't run the beta"
[16:20] <TheInfinity> Pierro: users without knowledge should not use a beta. thats written everywhere. if they use beta AGAINST this warning its their problem.
[16:20] <Pierro> you are incompetent i get it
[16:21] <smallfoot-> plz openoffice 2.4
[16:21] <smallfoot-> plz inkscape 0.46
[16:21] <Pici> TheInfinity, ccooke: lets drop it :)
[16:21] <evand> thanks Pici
[16:21] <TheInfinity> ... whatever.
[16:21] <Pierro> :/
[16:21] <Pierro> who kicked me?
[16:22] <TheInfinity> .oO((wtf))
[16:22] <Pici> Pierro: I did.  Your behavior here leaves much to be desired.
[16:22] <Pici> smallfoot-: What are you asking?
[16:22] <yeager> outta here
[16:23] <RainCT> smallfoot-: ?
[16:23] <smallfoot-> Pici, plz put openoffice 2.4 and inkscape 0.46 in repo
[16:23] <smallfoot-> i have 2.3 and 0.45 old
[16:23] <smallfoot-> :((
[16:23] <RainCT> smallfoot-: Hardy already has OpenOffice.orig 2.4 RC2 and Inkscape 0.46
[16:23] <Pierro> so does your support psychology Pici i just behaved naturally and i am a journalist for Slashdot i am doing a piece about support in the open source community
[16:24] <smallfoot-> RainCT, oh i didnt find update manager
[16:24] <TheInfinity> .oO((now the "i am sooo a powerfull guy" state is archived))
[16:24] <RainCT> smallfoot-: are you running Gutsy or Hardy?
[16:24] <Zvezdichko> congratulations! working for 5 hours and I should say that Hardy Heron is even more stable than Gutsy
[16:25] <bazhang> !yay | Zvezdichko
[16:25] <ubotu> Zvezdichko: Glad you made it! :-)
[16:25] <Pici> TheInfinity: Please don't.
[16:25] <TheInfinity> ok i just get popcorn and i am away ;)
[16:26] <RainCT> Pierro: threatening won't get you any further
[16:26] <Pici> Pierro: I'm sorry that you are frustrated.  We're trying to help you help us, thats what testing a beta is all about. If you are unwilling to file a bug report, then theres nothing we can do for you.
[16:27] <cogumel0> can anyone give me a hand with configuring alsa to play on my 5.1 soundcard properly?
[16:28] <smallfoot-> RainCT, hardy
[16:28] <cogumel0> I have a creative live! 5.1 soundcard and after installing ubuntu 7.10 only sound I had came from the front speakers and the middle speaker was always making a rain-like sound
[16:28] <chrisf> i am curious is the xchat-gnome client based on 2.8.4?
[16:29] <RainCT> smallfoot-: ok, then you should be able to update to those..
[16:29] <captainm> chrisf, yes
[16:29] <cogumel0> I went to alsamixer and was playing around with it, muted digital entrance and the rear speakers started working fine, but now the middle speaker makes no sound whatsoever (good thing is it doesn't make the rain-like sound anymore)
[16:29] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:29] <bogner> anyone running hardy on a macbook pro?
[16:29] <cogumel0> but... the sound is coming a lot more from the back than from the front, where do I adjust that?
[16:30] <Zvezdichko> btw... I noticed that in Hardy the games have been updated
[16:30] <TheInfinity> bogner: here
[16:30] <Zvezdichko> but I encountered a bug for Openarena
[16:30] <chrisf> one thing i notice already, with linux i can have a desktop with alot of enhaced features with alot less processor time
[16:30] <chrisf> than windows xp
[16:30] <chrisf> this is quite functional :)
[16:31]  * chrisf is amazed
[16:31] <bazhang> more like world-shaking ;]
[16:31] <TheInfinity> bogner: to say it exacly: running on a mbp rev3
[16:31] <TheInfinity> and yes: there are some bugs around it :)
[16:31] <bogner> in particular the wireless?
[16:31] <chrisf> bazhang: i wish canon was more forthcoming in supplying documentation to SANE
[16:31] <Zvezdichko> hmmm
[16:31] <Zvezdichko> !bugs
[16:32] <RainCT> smallfoot-: found it? :)
[16:32] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[16:32] <bogner> i've only noticed that the touchpad stops working after suspend, and i can't get wireless working
[16:32] <Zvezdichko> doh, the bot won't work for me
[16:32] <chrisf> i have to still dualboot to use my scanner
[16:32] <smallfoot-> RainCT, i must reboot, im in another os at a time
[16:32] <TheInfinity> bogner: for wireless you have to compile your own svn sources
[16:32] <bogner> yes, i did that, (i'd done that on feisty as well)
[16:32] <m12> pitty MFP devices aint suported better by SANE and Printer drivers :/
[16:32] <TheInfinity> bogner: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/205234 <-- my bug report for this
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205234 in linux-meta "[Hardy] Atheros AR5418 chipset not supported" [Undecided,New]
[16:33] <m12> that think is big miss :/
[16:33] <bogner> theinfinity: thanks
[16:33] <TheInfinity> i dont know if you have the same chipset, but ... you can add your chipset to a bugreport as well if you have another
[16:33] <ks> how do I upgrade single package if possible ?
[16:34] <chrisf> ml2: since i have access to some of the device driver development stuff on ms products, i did a traffic sniff of the usb 2 port traffic for my scanner, it is alot different than most other twain drivers
[16:34] <bogner> theinfinity: same chipset. yours works from madwifi svn? i'd used the daily snapshot and it won't connect
[16:34] <RainCT> ks: I don't know if it's possible with Synaptic but    sudo aptitude install package-name   in the terminal should do it
[16:34] <ks> looks like libvirt can't connect to xen, so some people recommended to upgrade libvirt
[16:35] <chrisf> ml2: canon lide 600F is extremely complex
[16:35] <TheInfinity> bogner: its a metter of luck. some svn releases are ok, some crash your computer if you use wireless, some just dont work
[16:35] <TheInfinity> thats why i want a "stable" svn release in ubuntu hardy ;)
[16:35] <TheInfinity> although after beta1 -> feature freeze i dont have much hope
[16:36] <bogner> well, tht's the beauty of live version control, i'm hoping to find a tag that works good, then we can document it on the wiki or something
[16:36] <chrisf> is it possible to run a twain compliant device under wine
[16:36] <chrisf> with the vendor's scanner software kit?
[16:37] <RainCT> ks: ah, you mean installing a version which is in Hardy in Gutsy or what?
[16:37] <TheInfinity> bogner: yea ... and perhaps you can comment my bug report, ... i just dont belive that noone else made such a report all the time ago ...
[16:38] <ks> RainCT:  yeah I have all installed without errors on hardy, but when client app tries to use libvirt it gives an error, that it can't connect to xen
[16:40] <bogner> theinfinity: mind doing a `svn info | grep Revision` for me, inside the madwifi directory?
[16:40] <Zvezdichko> Hmmm, I reported the openarena bug, however, I noticed that the bug system didn't ask me about distribution (???)
[16:41] <TheInfinity> bogner: i dont have svn drivers installed atm
[16:42] <TheInfinity> i have a quite big problem with ubuntu live cd (no xorg)
[16:57] <bluelightav> i need some help to get hardy beta online
[16:57] <bluelightav> can't get a connection using static ips
[16:58] <Tuv0k> !networking | bluelightav
[16:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:58] <Tuv0k> !Networkmanager
[16:58] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[16:59] <bluelightav> I don't get it
[16:59] <bluelightav> i am on ubuntu since 2 years
[16:59] <bluelightav> never any problem
[16:59] <Tuv0k> bluelightav, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=KuH&q=ubuntu+how+to+get+online&btnG=Search
[16:59] <bluelightav> with the networking
[17:00] <bluelightav> i know how to google
[17:00] <bluelightav> did it
[17:00] <bluelightav> i know how to forum
[17:00] <bluelightav> did it
[17:00] <Zvezdichko> if there's a bug you may fire it at launchpad
[17:01] <bluelightav> i will
[17:01] <bluelightav> being here for help
[17:01] <bluelightav> to the box online
[17:02] <pedantic-steve> bluelight, did you "unlock" the network manager so you could make changes?
[17:02] <bluelightav> yes
[17:02] <bluelightav> ips are in
[17:02] <bluelightav> checked the /etc/networking/interfaces file
[17:02] <ccooke> bluelightav: Okay. Have you verified that you have connectivity between the two devices?
[17:02] <bluelightav> all it well there
[17:03] <ccooke> bluelightav: Is this wireless or wired?
[17:03] <bluelightav> i can't even ping my own lan card
[17:03] <fromport> bluelightav: wat network card ?
[17:03] <bluelightav> connection is ok with another box
[17:03] <bluelightav> laptop
[17:03] <bluelightav> eth0
[17:03] <ccooke> bluelightav: wired or wireless?
[17:03] <bluelightav> wired
[17:03] <bluelightav> same laptop on work in roaming mode is fine
[17:03] <ccooke> okay. Does your laptop have lights around the network plug?
[17:04] <bluelightav> at home with static ip no chance
[17:04] <inigo> how do I disable the preview panel in evolution mail ??
[17:04] <bluelightav> yes
[17:04] <ccooke> bluelightav: can you tell me what lights you see?
[17:04] <cyclonut> holy moly @ massive number of updates today
[17:04] <bluelightav> i need to get offline here to check that
[17:04] <ccooke> bluelightav: before you do that...
[17:04] <bluelightav> will be back in 2  imins
[17:05] <bluelightav> ok what?
[17:05] <ccooke> bluelightav: are you using the laptop now?
[17:05] <bluelightav> no
[17:05] <bluelightav> my desktop
[17:05] <ccooke> bluelightav: is the other end a linux machine?
[17:05] <bluelightav> laptop on my lap :-)
[17:05] <rebelThor> hey, any idea why hardy won't turn off the backlight as specified in the Power Management settings? It used to work a few updates back
[17:05] <bluelightav> yes
[17:05] <ccooke> bluelightav: okay, good. on the desktop, could you please 'sudo apt-get install tcpdump'
[17:06] <fromport> bluelightav: do you know how to use paste bin ? if yes: could you cut & paste the output of "route -n" for us ?
[17:06] <ccooke> bluelightav: That'll let us check the connectivity properly.
[17:06] <bluelightav> ccooke: done
[17:07] <ccooke> bluelightav: okay. Please check the cable and any lights you see on the laptop, then
[17:07] <bluelightav> tcpdump is already the newest version.
[17:07] <bluelightav> ok
[17:07] <bluelightav> 2 mins
[17:08] <pen> I have a problem with my VPN connection
[17:08] <pen> When I am in wired connection i can use vpn to connect to my school network
[17:08] <pen> but I can't vpn when I'm in wireless
[17:09] <pen> it will segfault networkmanager
[17:09] <bluelightav> i am back
[17:09] <bluelightav> green is on
[17:09] <bluelightav> orange only once very short when i insert the cable
[17:09] <bluelightav> otherwise only the green one
[17:10] <Anosh> I have downloaded and burnt Hardy Heron but CD fails the integrity check. When I try to install I recieve errors about SQUASHFS and I/O buffer
[17:10] <cyclonut> Anosh: re-download
[17:10] <Anosh> The question is should I download again or burn again?
[17:10] <cyclonut> actually
[17:10] <Pici> Anosh: Check the md5s first
[17:10] <Pici> !verify | Anosh
[17:10] <cyclonut> check the md5
[17:10] <ubotu> Anosh: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[17:10] <ccooke> bluelightav: Okay, good
[17:11] <Anosh> cyclonut thats funny I have already downloaded it twice first time md5sums didnt match and now this
[17:11] <bluelightav> route -n
[17:11] <Anosh> ubotu md5sum matches
[17:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about md5sum matches - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:11] <ccooke> bluelightav: can you use the laptop at the same time as taking here?
[17:11] <bluelightav> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[17:11] <bluelightav> 192.168.3.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
[17:11] <bluelightav> 169.254.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 eth1
[17:11] <bluelightav> 0.0.0.0         192.168.3.1     0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 eth1
[17:11] <cyclonut> Anosh: if the sums match, then burn it at the slowest possible rate
[17:11] <cyclonut> !pastebin | bluelightav
[17:11] <jpatrick> !paste | bluelightav
[17:11] <ubotu> bluelightav: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[17:11] <Anosh> cyclonut perhaps there is something wrong with the program i use to burn?
[17:12] <cyclonut> Anosh: try burning it at the lowest possible speed.
[17:12] <bluelightav> ccooke: yes but not online
[17:12] <bluelightav> have only one cable here
[17:12] <ccooke> bluelightav: ... so... your desktop can either be online, or talk to the laptop?
[17:12] <bluelightav> no
[17:13] <fromport> bluelightav: i think you're missing the clue: you're _not_ supposed to paste your lines here, use a special service called PASTEBIN
[17:13] <bluelightav> i don't have a network in the place i am right now
[17:13] <bluelightav> either the laptop goes online or the desktop
[17:13] <bluelightav> but not both
[17:13] <bluelightav> they can't be connected
[17:13] <ccooke> bluelightav: Okay.
[17:13] <Anosh> cyclonut i burnt at 32x should i now try 8x?
[17:14] <cyclonut> Anosh: correct.
[17:14] <Anosh> cyclonut also what is write method?
[17:14] <cyclonut> Anosh: i'd leave that at default (disc at once or track at once, correct?)
[17:14] <Anosh> cyclonut it has options like session at once track at once raw writing
[17:14] <ccooke> bluelightav: that'll make the debugging somewhat interesting, but hey :-)
[17:14] <Anosh> cyclonut default is session at once
[17:14] <bluelightav> if it is not a quickfix i do it tomorrow
[17:14] <bluelightav> it already 22.44
[17:15] <bluelightav> thx for the help
[17:15] <ccooke> bluelightav: What IPs are you assigning to your laptop and desktop?
[17:15] <bluelightav> i try tomoroow when i am fresh
[17:15] <cyclonut> Anosh: just do everything as per normal, any decent burning software should get you going on it's defaults. However, burn at the lowest possible speed
[17:15] <Zvezdichko> wow, adept notifier works with kde 4
[17:15] <bluelightav> 192.168.3.214
[17:15] <Anosh> cyclonut isnt there any other open source image burner?
[17:15] <bluelightav> for eth)
[17:15] <ccooke> bluelightav: give us a few minutes to see if it's quick :-)
[17:15] <bluelightav> eth0
[17:15] <cyclonut> Anosh: I use brasero
[17:15] <bluelightav> ok
[17:15] <ccooke> bluelightav: is that the laptop or the desktop?
[17:15] <bluelightav> desktop
[17:16] <cyclonut> Anosh: seriously, just try it at the lowest speed.
[17:16] <ccooke> bluelightav: and the laptop?
[17:16] <Anosh> cyclonut ok lets see
[17:16] <bluelightav> same
[17:16] <bluelightav> either or
[17:16] <ccooke> bluelightav: ah...
[17:16] <bluelightav> reboot the wireless ap in between to clear the mac address
[17:16] <ccooke> bluelightav: what are you connecting to?
[17:16] <bluelightav> i am doing that often
[17:16] <bluelightav> worked always
[17:17] <bluelightav> lan
[17:17] <ccooke> bluelightav: ah ha. So the other end *isn't* the desktop, it's the wireless access point.
[17:17] <bluelightav> wireless network to internet
[17:17] <bluelightav> right
[17:17] <bluelightav> with gutsy on the laptop no problem ever
[17:17] <bluelightav> only with hardy beta
[17:17] <bluelightav> something new
[17:18] <ccooke> bluelightav: have you read the pastebin instructions?
[17:18] <bluelightav> maybe ip6 related
[17:18] <cyclonut> bluelightav: my wifi didnt work by default in hardy either.
[17:18] <bluelightav> i am not using wifi
[17:18] <bluelightav> i have an external d-link wireless client
[17:18] <bluelightav> that setup is ok
[17:18] <bluelightav> since years
[17:18] <cyclonut> ah, nm then
[17:19] <bluelightav> it has something to do with the new hardy beta release
[17:19] <ccooke> bluelightav: if so, could you put into a pastebin the output of "ip addr; route -n; iptables-save" on the laptop *and* the desktop?
[17:19] <bluelightav> in roaming mode everything works
[17:19] <bluelightav> but with fix ips nothing works
[17:19] <leo_rockw> greetings
[17:19] <ccooke> bluelightav: (it'll be awkward on the laptop, since it's not online, but very useful)
[17:19] <cyclonut> hullo leo.
[17:19] <bluelightav> i can't do much now
[17:20] <bluelightav>  i am very tuires
[17:20] <bluelightav> had a long day
[17:20] <bluelightav> i try again tomorrow
[17:20] <bluelightav> thanks for your help
[17:20] <ccooke> okay
[17:20] <ccooke> good luck tomorrow
[17:20] <leo_rockw> Q: i'm testing an experimental driver (a variant of xserver-xorg-video-ati) i put "ati" in xorg.conf, is that correct? how do i know if i'm using that driver and that vesa didn't kick in?
[17:20] <bluelightav> thx'
[17:20] <bluelightav> bye
[17:21] <cyclonut> leo_rockw: /var/log/xorg.0.log
[17:21] <leo_rockw> thank you cyclonut
[17:21] <cyclonut> np
[17:22] <leo_rockw> cyclonut: mmhh... it's not there
[17:22] <leo_rockw> nvm
[17:22] <leo_rockw> case sensitive :-P
[17:22] <cyclonut> leo_rockw: I probably missed some caps somewhere
[17:22] <cyclonut> yeah
[17:22] <leo_rockw> thanks
[17:23] <Zvezdichko> wow. my icons on that KDE 4 somehow messed up
[17:36] <pen> hi
[17:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 27 days to go till final release!!
[17:36] <pen> anyone know why I can't connect to VPN in wireless?
[17:36] <pen> PPP always crash
[17:37] <Zvezdichko> how does a firm deadline guarantee that all grave bugs will be cleared?
[17:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it doesnt
[17:42] <adinc> is there a list of supportet wireless devices? for hardy?
[17:58] <tapas> pidgin likes to eat 100% cpu sometimes
[17:58] <tapas> and hang
[17:58] <Zvezdichko> use kopele ;)
[17:58] <tapas> there was a reason i switched from kopete to pidgin
[17:59] <tapas> i don't remember
[17:59] <tapas> it sucked in some way
[18:00] <burken> anyone here?
[18:00] <Zvezdichko> btw there was an update of pidgin the last few hours
[18:05] <gluer> does songbird read ipod music?
[18:06] <gluer> just installed on hardy
[18:09] <burken> dunno
[18:09] <burken> look in manual
[18:21] <tapas> Zvezdichko: ok will check it out
[18:22] <Zvezdichko> btw why do we have for firefox a beta version?
[18:26] <Aondo> hei
[18:27] <Prefix> When i update to hardy does it wipe my harddrive? IE do i need to backup my gutsy files when updating?
[18:27] <Prefix> before updating*
[18:27] <Flannel> Prefix: You should have backups anyway, but no.  Updating won't destroy data
[18:27] <stefg> Prefix: yes... unless you don't have a separate /home partition
[18:28] <Flannel> stefg: No.  Upgrades aren't destructive.  You're thinking installation
[18:28] <stefg> Prefix: sorry.. was confused ...updating of course preservers data... reinstalling does not
[18:28] <stefg> ^^
[18:28] <Prefix> I have one partition on which gutsy is on, so when i install hardy using the livecd and install it, run the os, ill still have my files from gutsy?
[18:28] <Zvezdichko> but there's a bigger chance something might go wrong during upgrade
[18:29] <stefg> Prefix: no, tjhat's reinstalling
[18:29] <Prefix> what do I use to update?
[18:29] <stefg> Prefix: common sense  ... in the first place :-)
[18:30] <Prefix> err
[18:30] <Prefix> how do I 'update' from gutsy to hardy?
[18:30] <stefg> Prefix: better wait until release, if you have quetions like that
[18:30] <Zvezdichko> http://www.google.bg/search?hl=bg&q=update+gutsy+to+hardy&btnG=Google+%D1%82%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%81%D05%D0D%D05&meta=
[18:30] <Zvezdichko> :)
[18:31] <Zvezdichko> that's the answer
[18:31] <Prefix> yeah im waiting for the release anyway
[18:31] <Prefix> ty
[18:31] <axyjo> all hail google :D
[18:31] <Zvezdichko> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-to-ubuntu-804-lts-hardy-heron-beta.html
[18:31] <os2mac> mine's running just fine on Hardy.
[18:31] <Zvezdichko> also, a good article, I followed it
[18:32] <Zvezdichko> there's another variant, change everything that has gutsy to hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list and run dist-upgrade
[18:32] <Flannel> !update
[18:32] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:32] <Zvezdichko> however, I don't recommend it
[18:32] <Flannel> Zvezdichko: don't do that.
[18:32] <jepler> I want to build dapper/i386 binaries from C++ source on hardy/amd64.  can anyone direct me at documentation that would help?  I am struggling with messages such as './a.out: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found' for a simple program compiled with g++ -m32 -O hi.c
[18:32] <Zvezdichko> yeah, I don't recomment id :)
[18:33] <stefg> !build | jepler
[18:33] <ubotu> jepler: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[18:34] <stefg> jepler: you might als find the 'apt-get build-dep' command useful
[18:35] <jepler> stefg, thanks but that doesn't address the problem I'm having.  I have installed packages which allow me to get an i386 executable, but the executable doesn't work on the dapper system -- instead of running on the dapper system, this message is printed instead.
[18:35] <Prefix> cheers Zvezdichko
[18:35] <sarixe> hi, how do i set gtkpod as the default app for ipods?  i can't find the old option that was there in gutsy
[18:36] <stefg> jepler: ahh ... you mean crosscompiling on a 64bit system for a 32 bit system ... uhhh that's tricky
[18:37] <jepler> stefg: I can get 32-bit executables that run fine on a hardy system, but they don't execute on the dapper system.
[18:37] <stefg> jepler: soi'd guess the libs aren't compatible, but i'm leaving proven grounds here.... i think i can really help with that one
[18:38] <jepler> stefg: that's my conclusion too, just hoping somebody else could help me before I give up and throw in the towel
[18:38] <stefg> .. can /not/ realyy helpp ... that was
[18:38] <dj1> helo
[18:38] <eternal_p> I just tested that pm-suspend seems to work on my laptop, but only if I use the command line..I am not too sure what standard standby command is used, is there an easy way to change it?
[18:38] <jepler> stefg: I appreciate you taking the time to try.
[18:38] <dj1> my compiz is down
[18:39] <gluer> anyone know if i can get radmin viewer running on hardy?
[18:39] <stefg> jepler: so what i understand is that you would need a chroot environment with the dapper libs to produce a compatible binary
[18:39] <dj1> what is it ?
[18:42] <Creationist>  Installed the nVidia drivers and when restarting and attempting to open the "Display" section of "System Settings," my monitor freaks out and goes blank with an "Out of Range" message.  I have to restart X to get back in but still can't set my resolution.  Any ideas?
[18:42] <Flannel> jepler: Have you tried prevu? (meant for backports, but with some masaging it could work)
[18:44] <jepler> Flannel: unfortunately, systems like pbuilder or prevu aren't suitable for our build environment, because the time taken to build from scratch (even with tools like ccache and distcc) is not acceptable.  chroot is not an option in general, because developers do not have root / sudo access on the build machine.
[18:46] <stefg> fakeroot ?
[18:50] <h3sp4wn> jepler: Its not hard to cross compile 32 bit binaries on 64 bit
[18:50] <h3sp4wn> gcc is multiarch anyway
[18:50] <pr0meToYz> hi there.. can anyone provide me with infos reg. font smoothing in firefox?
[18:50] <pr0meToYz> i'm running ubuntu 8.04
[18:50] <jepler> $ rsh hardy-amd64 g++ -m32 -O hi.c && echo "succeeded" && ./a.out
[18:50] <jepler> succeeded
[18:50] <jepler> ./a.out: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by ./a.out)
[18:51] <pr0meToYz> defoma + mstcorefonts have been installed already..
[18:51] <jepler> ^^ I get a binary, it just doesn't execute on Ubuntu Dapper.
[18:51] <jepler> hi.c is uninteresting -- it has two includes, then int main(void) { std::string message = "hello world"; std::cout << message << "\n"; return 0; }
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> Is this involving any non free stuff at all ?
[18:53] <jepler> h3sp4wn: the simple test program I demonstrate the problem with is has no proprietary components
[18:53] <h3sp4wn> jepler: No I mean in terms of what you are actually wanting this for
[18:54] <jepler> h3sp4wn: If you don't want to help someone working on a proprietary application, then don't help me.
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> jepler: I am not bothered either way but there is different strategies
[18:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> anyone have a workaround to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/206287
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206287 in mesa "[i965] Open GL Renders flat surfaces incorrectly" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> The thing is you can end up providing almost an entire gnu stack seperate (look at like Matlab)
[18:57] <jepler> h3sp4wn: I wouldn't rule that out
[18:57] <h3sp4wn> jepler: Do you have to have glibc or could uclibc be ok
[18:57] <jepler> h3sp4wn: frankly I don't know -- we presently use glibc
[18:57] <jepler> and libstdc++
[18:58] <h3sp4wn> jepler: perhaps uclibcxx might not have everything you might use
[18:59] <bhsx> howdy... how do i setup X to export?  trying to get X over ssh and forgot how to set it up (though i doubt i've ever set it up with xorg)
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> jepler: Depends whether you would rather spend the time extending uclibc / uclibcxx - or with a really complicated packaging setup
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: just use - ssh -X (or ssh -Y)
[19:01] <bhsx> i forgot how to setup the x server... but i think i found it... just need to switch to X11Forwarding  yes
[19:02] <h3sp4wn> I thought these days it was allowed over trusted connections anyway
[19:02] <bhsx> damn.. nope
[19:02] <bhsx> that's set correctly..
[19:02] <Pirate_Hunter> hello im wondering if it is safe yet to install hardy beta onto my physical drive?
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: do you have xauth installed ?
[19:03] <loa_> h3sp4wn, http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=75963&sid=2b1c5aa11eec60e0028f56d2687bc46b
[19:03] <loa_> about iwl3945
[19:04] <bhsx> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[19:04] <bhsx> Error: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
[19:04] <bhsx> hmm
[19:04] <bhsx> any ideas?
[19:04] <dj1> xhost +
[19:04] <dj1> and export your DISPLAY:
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> Thats a stupid thing to do
[19:05] <dj1> talkinfg to me?
[19:05] <h3sp4wn> yeo
[19:05] <dj1> was that yes?
[19:05] <Pirate_Hunter> can anyone advice if its ok to install hardy beta onto my physical hd since i have it in vbox nd i think it is functioning properly?
[19:05] <bhsx> usr/bin/X11/xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/bhsx/.Xauthority  <--that's a message i get when i login with 'ssh -X ...'
[19:05] <picard_pwns_kirk> Pirate_Hunter: /topic
[19:05] <jepler> h3sp4wn: at this point I am more tempted to surrender and recommend reinstalling this machine with dapper
[19:05] <bhsx> Pirate_Hunter: i'm running hardy on two machines and all is well.. i'd say go for it
[19:06] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: check if that file is owned by root
[19:06] <jepler> h3sp4wn: thanks for your help, though -- you've given me a picture of the difficulty of this project
[19:06] <savvas> Pirate_Hunter: give it a spin using the live cd, if everything works properly, sound and video, i don't see a reason not to install it
[19:06] <dj1> my compiz is brken since
[19:06] <savvas> Pirate_Hunter: just be careful with the updates, those are the ones that break stuff (sometimes)
[19:07] <dj1> i had to hack /usr/bin/compiz to point
[19:07] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: pastebin the whole thing with - ssh -vv
[19:07] <bhsx> h3sp4wn: yeah, it is
[19:07] <dj1> to the good compiz.real
[19:07] <Pirate_Hunter> bhsx: will take your word for it as I was planning to reformat the hd anyway so will now have one partition with Vista "instead of XP" and hardy which i think looks jazzy :D
[19:07] <dj1> but still down
[19:07] <dj1> the WM disappears
[19:08] <bhsx> h3sp4wn: should i make that chown that file?
[19:08] <Pirate_Hunter> savvas: I never update i prefer to install it after making file backups
[19:08] <bhsx> sorry, should i chown that file?
[19:08] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: I would remove it
[19:08] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: root shouldn't own stuff in your home dir
[19:08] <bhsx> just delete .Xauthority?  it'll recreate it as my user?
[19:08] <dj1> any thaughts?
[19:08] <bhsx> wonder why that ended-up owned by root?
[19:08] <bhsx> bugged installer?
[19:08] <savvas> Pirate_Hunter: well i don't recommend not to update, because that's even worse, maybe some bugs are fixed through updates :)
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> sudo and graphical apps I guess
[19:09] <Pirate_Hunter> savvas: Oh i understood upgrade sorry yeah i find it weird that updates are the problem and not the instability of the OS
[19:11] <zeri> hi
[19:12] <bhsx> h3sp4wn: i rm'd it and recreated a blank file as bhsx... even chmod'd 775...  i still get the same .Xauthority error
[19:12] <zeri> hi
[19:12] <dj1> maybe it doesnt like my ATI ?
[19:12] <Turski> is my hard disk broken?
[19:12] <Turski> http://turski.no-ip.org/galleria/main.php?g2_itemId=283
[19:12] <zeri> i got macbook
[19:12] <Pirate_Hunter> I've decided will install hardy on the weekend or the start of next week, im feeling adventurers :D
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> bhsx: It should be created when you login thats all
[19:12] <Pirate_Hunter> zeri: good for you :D
[19:12] <zeri> i partition my hard disk with two partition
[19:13] <bhsx> ok cool
[19:13] <bhsx> brb then :)
[19:13] <zeri> on one partition i have mac leopard
[19:13] <zeri> and on the other one i have windows
[19:13] <zeri> i just install ubuntu on my windows
[19:13] <zeri> using wubi
[19:14] <zeri> ubuntu hardy beta
[19:14] <zeri> when i try to boot on ubuntu
[19:14] <zeri> i display error
[19:14] <gluer> anyone have a vmware installation script for hardy?
[19:14] <Pirate_Hunter> zeri: why not scrap windows and install ubuntu and run windows from ubutnu... 0_o wh not do that?
[19:15] <mi> hardy have libX11.la in /usr/lib ?
[19:15] <zeri> i have done already
[19:15] <zeri> i got lots of data
[19:15] <dbmoodb> move it somewhere else
[19:15] <zeri> on my windows partitions
[19:15] <zeri> that's
[19:16] <zeri> why i can't boot to ubuntu
[19:16] <dbmoodb> eh ?
[19:16] <zeri> it display error
[19:16] <Pirate_Hunter> zeri: there is soemthing called back up you can even buy an external hd and back up your windows install into it than run it from vmware in ubuntu stop being lazy
[19:16] <zeri> yeah i m not lazy
[19:17] <zeri> i got lots of soft
[19:17] <zeri> install
[19:17] <Pirate_Hunter> zeri: you cnat boot cause you cant boot and you havent explained what are the errors that show
[19:17] <dbmoodb> zeri: livecd boot, copy paste then remove windows
[19:17] <jessica> how do i change my default email software
[19:17] <Pirate_Hunter> dbmoodb: lol
[19:17] <dbmoodb> !madness
[19:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about madness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:17] <zeri> i just want to solve the problem
[19:17] <zeri> that's all
[19:17] <m12> !windows
[19:17] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[19:18] <dbmoodb> !eat
[19:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:18] <cyclonut> jessica: system > preferences > preferred applications
[19:18] <Pirate_Hunter> jessica: should still be in preffered applications under internet
[19:18] <jessica> thankyou
[19:18] <zeri> ok iu will back later
[19:18] <zeri> bye
[19:18] <zeri> thx
[19:18] <dbmoodb> is sugar in the hardy repositories ?
[19:18] <dbmoodb> (my apt is busy)
[19:18] <cyclonut> yes it is
[19:18] <Pirate_Hunter> ok did anyone understand the problem zeri had cause im still thinking... Huh?
[19:19] <dbmoodb> mad, the stuff is so cool, ---- the mesh networking is so cool
[19:19] <Pirate_Hunter> dbmoodb: whats mad?
[19:19] <dbmoodb> probably zeri has a disk that is full and linux is like oh noes i'm full
[19:19] <cyclonut> bicyclist is having no luck today
[19:19] <dbmoodb> the whole project the hardware and the software just give it a try
[19:20] <gluer> anyone got vmware running on hardy?
[19:20] <dbmoodb> zeroconf, editing, hardware is amazing -- wish i bought one to play and do stuff with
[19:20] <cyclonut> Pirate_Hunter: who knows. He needs to type more on one line, and speak proper english... he should also be dissuaded from using hardy, as he seems not to understand a thing about it
[19:20] <dbmoodb> !virtualbox
[19:20] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[19:20] <mohbana> is launchpad open source
[19:21] <dbmoodb> !launchpad
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[19:21] <savvas> !free
[19:21] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[19:21] <savvas> :)
[19:21] <dbmoodb> it is a creative commons licensed site no ?
[19:21] <gluer> dbmoodb: virtualbox, any limitations?
[19:22] <mohbana> are there any plans to open source it
[19:22] <lubosz> hi
[19:22] <dbmoodb> no in fact i think it is better
[19:22] <dbmoodb> can we kick some trolls ?
[19:22] <cyclonut> howdy lubosz
[19:22] <lubosz> is it just me, or does the boot splash stop at some point and drops to console
[19:22] <cyclonut> lubosz: no problem with that here
[19:22] <gluer> dbmoodb: alrite, vmware wont install for me, i'll try that
[19:22] <lubosz> hm
[19:22] <dbmoodb> ;) hopefully that works for you gluer
[19:23] <savvas> gluer: vmware needs the headers for it, i think they will be implemented when hardy goes stable
[19:23] <dj1> can i go on with my problem ?
[19:23] <savvas> gluer: however the virtualbox gutsy package works in hardy
[19:23] <dj1> i noticed tc-elite is down too
[19:23] <gluer> cheers
[19:23] <lubosz> VirtualBox works for me
[19:23] <dj1> so it s my openGL thats broken
[19:23] <lubosz> you have to recompile the kernel module
[19:23] <dj1> i did
[19:23] <lubosz> same for vmwarew
[19:24] <dj1> its loaded ...
[19:24] <dj1> it looks like its in xfree thats broken
[19:24] <mohbana> does opengl perform better than directx?
[19:24] <lubosz> mohbana: in windows?
[19:24] <dj1> lol
[19:24] <savvas> do we have x64 virtualizers?
[19:24] <dbmoodb> again can we kick some trolls cough cough
[19:24] <dbmoodb> !directx
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about directx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:25] <dbmoodb> see it doesn't exist move along
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> mohbana: Probably not on consumer hardware
[19:25] <mohbana> no generally, are things written in directx faster or slower ... yes windows
[19:25] <savvas> dbmoodb: what trolls?
[19:25] <dbmoodb> mohbana: it depends what you are doing
[19:25] <lubosz> i would say it depends on your hardware and how efficient the software is written
[19:25] <lubosz> and your drivers
[19:25] <dbmoodb> mohbana: seems to be going after replies
[19:25] <lubosz> but in windows i bet m$ is slowing opengl down :P
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> Yeah the drivers really matter
[19:26] <cyclonut> !windows | mohbana
[19:26] <ubotu> mohbana: For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[19:26] <cyclonut> that said, in linux (under wine) openGL should be faster. in my case, directX is
[19:26] <lubosz> lawl @ http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[19:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]
[19:27] <EnderTheThird> Hey all, any ideas why scrollkeeper-up and/or Xorg would be hogging a ton of CPU resources according to top?  I'm talking like 90+%
[19:28] <AnswerGuy> mohbana: what is the point of asking this question?  as a user you use applications (and graphics/library and device driver performance is only one aspect of over all applications performance)
[19:28] <lubosz> lawl @ http://www.google.com
[19:28] <AnswerGuy> If your a programmer your choice of DirectX or OpenGL will largely be dictated by various factors other than performance (like the requirements of your target market)
[19:28] <AnswerGuy> That is why some people here consider your question to be "trolling"
[19:28] <AnswerGuy> If you're a programmer even
[19:28] <AnswerGuy> So, what are you asking about the relative performance?
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> Are there CAD / CAE apps etc that use DirectX I have never seen one (but I don't use loads)
[19:29] <mohbana> this is long, i just wanted a yes/no answer
[19:29] <mohbana> thanks anyhow
[19:30] <AnswerGuy> mohbana: You've asked an inherently meaningless question.  There is no "yes" or "no" answer that would be valid.
[19:30] <lubosz> in the wine sense, opengl is faster ^^
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> With nvidia it shouldn't be much different
[19:31] <Pirate_Hunter> AnswerGuy: what is "trolling"? not up to date with irc linguo
[19:31] <AnswerGuy> And your apparently unwillingness to try to understand a "long" response makes you seem even more like a troll
[19:32] <lubosz> http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Troll
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> If that is the case then its you wh are feeding the troll :)
[19:32] <Pirate_Hunter> AnswerGuy: could you take a minute to explain that terminology "troll " trolling" please and how do you know he is such?
[19:32] <gluer> i thought trolls didnt exist
[19:32] <AnswerGuy> Well the term "troll" in IRC (and on NetNews, mailing lists and in other online forums) refers to a person who poses disengenuous questions or posts provacative statements in order to cause disruption rather than from a sincere interest in the topic of the forum.
[19:32] <Pirate_Hunter> lubosz: thanx
[19:33] <Pirate_Hunter> AnswerGuy: thanx I just called them flamers but i guess there is a difference
[19:33] <lubosz> Pirate_Hunter: but don't take enyclopedia dramatica too serious, its very sarcastic
[19:33] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, so, I'm a troll because I express my excitement of ubuntu hardy rather than helping and testing as I should do :)
[19:33] <cyclonut> personally, I think AnswerGuy may have jumped the gun a little bit
[19:33] <cyclonut> buuuuut to each their own
[19:33] <AnswerGuy> h3sp4wn: I may be "feeding the troll" but I hope that I am also providing some useful information to others who are reading this --- describing *why* the question is meaningless and hinting at what sorts of questions one would be better asking.
[19:34] <gluer> and what question was that? ive long since forgotten
[19:34] <gluer> :-)
[19:34] <Pirate_Hunter> lubosz: i understand
[19:34] <AnswerGuy> Pirate_Hunter: flamers are people who respond (sometimes to perfectly legitimate questions or other posts) with animosity rather than useful content.
[19:34] <AnswerGuy> trolls are trolling for flamers
[19:35] <Pirate_Hunter> AnswerGuy: never knew there was such a description to such actions, im behind on times where have i been all this time
[19:36] <AnswerGuy> The term troll is a double entendre ... "trolling" (like fishing from a slowly moving boat) and "troll" as in a mythical monster who hides under a bridge to attack the unwary traveler.
[19:36] <gluer> does ubuntu have plans to release a novell login client? im sick of having to virtual machine xp just to use the novell login client
[19:36] <AnswerGuy> gluer: Novell as in "Netware?"
[19:36] <gluer> yeh
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> Is there not one for SLED ?
[19:37] <AnswerGuy> Wow, I haven't seen a Netware installation in a decade!
[19:37] <gluer> yes but it doesnt work when converted to .deb
[19:37] <AnswerGuy> Pehaps it depends on some kernel support?
[19:38] <Pirate_Hunter> A Fat middle aged man or Russian Woman who lives under a bridge - thats quite rude stereotyping a race like that i should report, i will report it
[19:38] <gluer> AnswerGuy: alot of businesses are still using it in Australia
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> I think if I needed to connect to netware I would just use SLED
[19:38]  * AnswerGuy tries to remember the old mars_nwe stuff and wonders if that's still relevant.
[19:38] <AnswerGuy> gluer: it wasn't a criticism of Netware --- just an expression of how useless and out-of-date my knowlege of the topic would be.
[19:38] <gluer> h3sp4wn: yeh it is, but my users are used to seeing the novell client
[19:39] <AnswerGuy> So, how does the alien converted .deb fail?
[19:40] <gluer> requires some lib that when questioning Novell, im told "your distro is important to us, pls be patient"
[19:40] <gluer> hehe
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> Probably mono as well
[19:41] <gluer> anyway virtualbox is up and running i'll grab my win xp cd and novell client
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> I prefer if at all possible to be using Citrix for what few win apps i may want
[19:43] <AnswerGuy> Well, gluer, the usual tricks for dealing with that problem include: use ldd to find the dependent libraries, use rpm -qf to find the package that owns those, use alien to convert the library packages to .deb ... or create your hack/binary tarball (and then alien that) into a package ...
[19:44] <AnswerGuy> ... and possibly, run strace -f on the client to find any dlopen() shared library dependencies (and execve() dependencies if it has those).
[19:44] <gluer> AnswerGuy: there goes my weekend :-)
[19:44] <AnswerGuy> Yep
[19:44] <AnswerGuy> Sucks.
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> Yeah but if those dependancies are to do with mono
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> Then I would have no chance
[19:45] <AnswerGuy> Well, the mono stuff is packaged for Debian --- so you can resolve those.
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> No but Novell has some of its own stuff
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> like probably this library in question
[19:46] <gluer> AnswerGuy: how about I pay you $5 per workstation if u get it running? lol
[19:46] <AnswerGuy> But it's all in his SLED installations.  Are you saying that some of Novell's Mono stuff is restrictively licensed?
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> Have you ever tried packaging something like ifolder ?
[19:47] <AnswerGuy> My hourly rates are a bit higher than that (unless my work on one or two workstations gets it working on hundreds of them)
[19:47] <AnswerGuy> No, I haven't.  I don't even know what ifolder is.
[19:47] <gluer> ;-)
[19:47]  * AnswerGuy is mostly a command line, networking and kernel level sysadmin/geek
[19:47] <gluer> if i get them to use ifolder i may as well get them to use netstorage
[19:48] <AnswerGuy> All that GUI crap just frustrates me.
[19:48] <jimiridge> yeah i think the only reason i stick with gnome is for firefox then agian i guess i could start a bare X server with just firefox
[19:48] <gluer> maybe i'll just outsource the work to myself
[19:48] <gluer> :-)
[19:49] <h3sp4wn> jimiridge: try wm-ii
[19:49] <h3sp4wn> or ratpoison - for me its so much easier to concentrate then
[19:50] <jimiridge> lol wiki says of wmii attempts to not exceed 10,000 lines of code (including all shipped utilities and libraries)
[19:51] <h3sp4wn> If you have an accelerated framebuffer (at least radeonfb I used like this)
[19:51] <h3sp4wn> thne you can have links2 -g at 1280x1024 and then I don't need X
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> But its not tolerable with vesafb at all
[19:53] <jimiridge> yeah but links2 likes to crash on advanced pages
[19:53] <jimiridge> cant compare to firefox
[19:53] <EnderTheThird> Can't PulseAudio adjust sound for each application independently?  (I'd like to mute Firefox/Flash)
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> That was at work though - any of that stuff I didn't need to ever read anyway
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> EnderTheThird: It can with the pulseaudio manager thing
[19:55] <EnderTheThird> h3sp4wn:  Any idea how I get to that?  Tabbing in a terminal gives pulseaudio and that's it.  I don't see a manager in the menu anywhere either.
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> EnderTheThird: Its not installed by default people think its too complicated to use
[19:57] <h3sp4wn> EnderTheThird: Its paman you want iirc
[19:58] <EnderTheThird> Installing now.  Thanks.
[19:58] <EnderTheThird> You ever had trouble with "Xorg" taking 90+% CPU by chance?  This thing is running painfully slow for a 2 GHz Celeron.
[19:59] <asdrubal> EnderTheThird, are you playing a video or movie?
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> I am not even using alsa or pulseaudio - only oss4 (it does all I need)
[19:59] <EnderTheThird> Nope.
[20:02] <EnderTheThird> It's been this way in Ubuntu on this computer for the last few releases and I can't figure out why.  direct rendering is enable, but glxgears goes like crap and it gets turned off with Compiz anyway (disabled now though, just using Metacity).
[20:06] <lubosz> oO i can't grab windows in super + e mode anymore with alt key pressed..
[20:06] <lubosz> that sux
[20:06] <lubosz> gutsy could do it ^^
[20:12] <trukosh> Hi, a friend installed 8.04 server for me. Locales are "bad" .. Is it like that or did he a mistake. I want to know whether it makes sense to reinstall or not...
[20:13] <AirBender> trukosh: just reconfigure the locales
[20:16] <zeri> hi
[20:17] <zeri> i install ubuntu on windows partition
[20:17] <trukosh> AirBender: dpkg-reconfigure just regenerates them, localeconf isn't available. It's long ago i had problem like that and i don't remember how to do :(
[20:17] <zeri> using wubi i install ubuntu hardy
[20:18] <zeri> when i boot from ubuntu
[20:18] <Zvezdichko> oh, why do you all use wubi
[20:18] <Zvezdichko> it's so slow
[20:18] <zeri> wubi is better than vmware
[20:18] <zeri> that's why
[20:19] <zeri> the problem when i try to boot on ubuntu
[20:19] <zeri> it display message error
[20:20] <evand> zeri: what error?
[20:21] <Ramunas> hello, is there a tutorial on how to get hardy to share the internet connection with my phone over bluetooth?
[20:22] <Ramunas> as there's no dund in bluez-utils anymore, old guides do not work
[20:22] <AirBender> trukosh: what's your language ?
[20:22] <trukosh> german
[20:22] <zeri> the error is : Any system file has been selected as a root correct from software partitioning
[20:23] <zeri> Somehow
[20:23] <zeri> the pblm is there is no parition
[20:24] <zeri> on the hard disk
[20:24] <zeri> how to fix that problem ?
[20:25] <zeri> is there Mr Wubi here ?
[20:25] <evand> zeri: is this during the install process?
[20:25] <zeri> yeah one install on windows
[20:25] <zeri> the system restart on ubuntu
[20:26] <zeri> and there it show the message
[20:26] <zeri> once
[20:26] <evand> then when you press OK, it reboots, right?
[20:26] <evand> zeri: ^
[20:27] <zeri> no
[20:27] <zeri> i can't even ignor the message
[20:27] <RainCT> Ramunas: I run this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/6169/plain/ to share it on the local network and then just configure the other PCs to use mine as gateway; don't know if this will work for a phone though
[20:27] <zeri> it appear
[20:27] <zeri> even i click ok
[20:28] <zeri> so i have to reboot my pc manually with the power button
[20:28] <Ramunas> RainCT, it won't, the phone needs a daemon who acts as a dialup server, and with dund in bluez-utils that was possible
[20:28] <Ramunas> :/
[20:28] <evand> zeri: ok, one minute.
[20:29] <zeri> ok
[20:32] <AirBender> trukosh: and what do you see when you type: locale in a terminal?
[20:34] <trukosh> de_DE.utf8 - doesn't seem so wrong. When i write "special keys" on konsole it works, but when i read files e.g. /etc/locale.alias all special signs are like <F7>
[20:35] <nemo> shouldn't that be de_DE.UTF-8
[20:35] <nemo> ?
[20:35] <nemo> not de_DE.utf8
[20:35] <trukosh> Of course several line like "LC_CTYPE=de_DE.utf8" ... and so on ..
[20:35] <nemo> LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8
[20:35] <nemo> is mine, personally.
[20:35] <evand> zeri: OK, can you please file a bug at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ?  Please attach C:\ubuntu\install\custom-installation\preseed.cfg and the newest %TEMP%\Wubi-*.log and describe exactly how you obtained and used Wubi in as much detail as you can, as well as where the error occurred.
[20:37] <zeri> i explain u the problem correctly
[20:38] <Zvezdichko> hmmm zeri, it may be a bug and it probably needs a fix...
[20:39] <evand> zeri: indeed, but we'll need those logs to locate the source of the bug.
[20:39] <evand> in a bug report so the problem can be properly tracked
[20:40] <zeri> ok i m in macos now and i can't see the ntfs file system
[20:40] <zeri> i have to reboot my macbook air
[20:40] <evand> zeri: that's fine, there's no rush.  Whenever you have a chance it would be much appreciated.
[20:41] <zeri> if i understand correctly  the good solution is to use gusty gibbon
[20:41] <KrimZon> when i boot in the -12-rt kernel it doesnt detect my geforce 8800M G video
[20:42] <KrimZon> but -11-generic does
[20:42] <KrimZon> does anyone know all the packages i should check are installed?
[20:43] <KrimZon> or anything else i should know, check or find out?
[20:43] <KrimZon> or do
[20:44] <zeri> ok i will report my bug with the file after thx evand
[20:44] <zeri> bye
[20:46] <poseidon> Where can I go to find a bunch of open source linux projects to help out with?
[20:48] <izakstern> i had some problems while logging in, gnome-settings-manager could not start up. everything works properly now after removing xserver-xgl but unfortunately compiz is down :(. is there a way to run compiz without xserver-xgl on a ati onboard graphics card?
[20:49] <trukosh> nemo: locale -a says: de_DE.utf8 - so shoud be right, not?
[20:51] <trukosh> But: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED says: de_DE.UTF-8
[20:51] <trukosh> I hate locales ..
[20:55] <nemo> trukosh: should be de_DE.UTF-8
[20:55] <nemo> I think your profile is misconfigured
[20:55] <nemo> trukosh: did you do it by hand?
[20:56] <nemo> trukosh: easy thing to test of course.  LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 gedit
[20:56] <nemo> or somesuch
[20:56]  * nemo tries
[20:57] <trukosh> My big problem is, i didn't install the system myself. The freind who did, however has configured many nice things in the system i don't want to destroy, but the broken locales are really annoying..
[20:58] <nemo> trukosh: of course, if locales were really screwed up, ubuntu won't even have installed the text :-/
[21:01] <trukosh> If i create a new file, i can write special signs in it, and if i open again, they are correctly displayd... but all old files and even files i copy from other systems are looking bad (filenames also)
[21:01] <nemo> trukosh: well. filenames were probably in some ISO thingy
[21:01] <nemo> trukosh: I've renamed tons of files to UTF-8
[21:02] <nemo> I wish the world would just switch to it. un point c'est tout.
[21:02] <poseidon> I'm trying to install php mysql and apache, so I did "sudo tasksel install lamp-server" however it tells me "taskel: apptitude failed (100)"
[21:02] <nemo> huh. never heard of tasksel
[21:03]  * nemo always just... installed php/mysql/apache :)
[21:03] <gregcha117> can someone please help me my sound is broken, i reverted to an old kernel and it worked fine, then for some reason stopped working again now im stuck with no sound on the most current kernel and can't figure out how to fix it
[21:04] <poseidon> nemo, did they work fine together?
[21:04] <poseidon> nemo, taskel -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[21:05] <Pirate_Hunter> poseidon: just use this command sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client php5
[21:06] <nemo> poseidon: sure. why wouldn't they?
[21:06] <nemo> Pirate_Hunter: yeah. pretty much that :)
[21:06] <Pirate_Hunter> nemo: I think it is easier that way but everyone has their own choice
[21:06] <nemo> trukosh: hey
[21:07] <nemo> trukosh: since you're going to be fixing this...
[21:07] <poseidon> nemo, I guess your right.  I'm still thinking of my windows computer... that must be it ;)
[21:08] <nemo> trukosh: csh.env env.d/02locale locale.gen locale.nopurge make.conf profile.csh profile.env
[21:09] <nemo> poseidon: setting up apache/subversion/mysql/trac on a windows box was a friggen' nightmare
[21:09] <nemo> poseidon: less than ½ an hour under linux
[21:09] <nemo> almost 2 days under windows
[21:09] <nemo> poseidon: the power of package management systems.
[21:09] <nemo> someone should start one for OSS under windows
[21:10] <nemo> well. there was that, and also the fact that the windows builds were usually indifferently maintained, and good friggen' luck doing a build yourself.
[21:12] <Pirate_Hunter> nemo: having somehting like that on windows would never work they would have to re-do the OS which in itself is a pain just look at what they did to frontpage (now known as expression web)
[21:12] <Alkex> Hi  everybody .. I'm not able to run graphic install I guess due to issue with graphic card. Mine is a nvidia 8600GS. anyone have idea on what to do to go haed in the install?
[21:15] <nemo> Pirate_Hunter: well. there is something a lot more trivial, but still kind of useful...
[21:16] <Pirate_Hunter> nemo: ok woudl like to find out what it is but have work so going afk talk later, maybe, if your on
[21:16] <Pirate_Hunter> c yah ppl
[21:16] <nemo> later
[21:16] <gregcha118> anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix my sound? i hate having to use windows
[21:17] <nemo> gregcha118: what's the problem with it?
[21:18]  * nemo gives gregcha118 about 30 more seconds 
[21:18] <nemo> gregcha118: oh well. going home. recent sound bugs in ubuntu hardy were one with older kernel (now fixed - be sure you are up to date) and one with pulse audio - maybe fixed, but try switching to alsa
[21:18] <nemo> later
[21:20] <gregcha118> im updated to the newest kernel
[21:20] <gregcha118> i reverted to an old kernel which temporarily fixed the problem then for no apparent reason my sound disappeared on that too
[21:21] <gregcha118> now when i click on my volume it says no devices found
[21:22] <Alkex> is it possible to run text install witha desktop image?
[21:22] <EnderTheThird> Hmmm, I wish I could figure out why Hardy doesn't detect my WiFi card while Gutsy detects it like a champ.  :-/
[21:23] <EnderTheThird> D-Link DWL-520(+)
[21:24] <poseidon> Where can I go to find a bunch of open source linux projects to help out with?
[21:31] <gregcha119> when i run alsamixer i get function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[21:34] <pascalFR> sound is broken on thinkpad x40
[21:34] <cytr3x> just put a new nic in my ubuntu8.04 box, and the machine didnt detect it at boot, mii-tool shows only one eth0 (on board nic), how can I detect the other one
[21:36] <ere4si> just got some xubuntu updates and they knocked 30mb of the mem usage - well done! :)
[21:37] <cyclonut> ere4si: whoa.
[21:37] <ere4si> :)
[21:38]  * cyclonut wonders if he got the same effect form today's updates
[21:39] <sarixe> my sound's line in is way too loud, and even when Capture is at 0, i get a normal volume.  i feed my ipod in through that so i can listen to it, but it's really way too loud.  is there a way i can turn it down?
[21:41] <ere4si> cyclonut: it took a reboot to find that out :)
[21:41] <thompa> anyone manage to get madwifi working on acer atheros?
[21:41] <thompa> it seems impossible
[21:42] <thompa> im going to try upgrade kernel I guess
[21:43] <cyclonut> ere4si: yeah, I thnk its that time
[21:43] <cyclonut> brb
[21:43] <ere4si> bye
[21:45] <cyclonut> ~10mb drop
[21:46] <cyclonut> but hey, somethings better than nothing, hardy is a little "fat" if'n you ask me
[21:47] <Zvezdichko> !bugs
[21:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:47] <ere4si> cyclonut: are you using xubuntu?
[21:47] <cyclonut> no, gnome, but I was hoping I might see some residual :-P
[21:47] <ere4si> :)
[21:48] <cyclonut> I've tried xfce a few times, but couldnt get into it
[21:49] <cytr3x> If I install xubuntu on a system as 7.10 will it be easy to upgrade next month when the new one comes out?
[21:49] <cytr3x> without messing up all the services
[21:49] <ere4si> should be
[21:49] <balgarath> Question: I'm running Ubuntu Studio(with RT kernel)...what happens with the kernel when I upgrade(not fresh install) to hardy?
[21:50] <cytr3x> ere4si: will I be able to do it via the net or will I need to download the new iso?
[21:50] <cyclonut> "should" being the keyword
[21:50] <eduardo> jimiridge
[21:50] <cyclonut> balgarath: it'll update
[21:51] <balgarath> cyclonut, to the newer RT kernel?
[21:51] <cyclonut> correct
[21:51] <balgarath> cyclonut, thanks
[21:51] <ere4si> cytr3x: through the net it will upgrade ok - when the release is out you update the system and an upgrade option appears
[21:51] <cytr3x> oki
[21:51] <cytr3x> thanks
[21:52] <eduardo> jimiridge u there?
[21:53] <eduardo> i need help configuring libss 10.9.8
[21:55] <eduardo> what do i type in  services to restart to make them use the new libraries
[21:56] <eduardo> what do i type in  services to restart to make them use the new libraries
[21:56] <eduardo> in heron's package configuration
[21:56] <bardyr> okay, i dont know how to report this bug or how to troubleshoot it, when i use deluge for a while my system start to run sluggish, the internet completely dies but nm-applet, iwconfig, etc still seem to be running without a problem, i cant start new applications, nor use shortcuts like alt+f2, alt+ctrl+backspace, open applications such as firefox and audacious run fine and i can select the different tabs in firefox
[21:56] <bardyr> i need a hard reboot to make my box work again
[21:57] <bardyr> no dmesg errors
[21:57] <eduardo> jimiridge!!!
[21:58] <bardyr> eduardo, /etc/init.d/$service restart
[21:58] <eduardo> bardyr, whats that for?
[21:58] <bardyr> eduardo, to restart services
[21:59] <gnubuntu> hello. since the last updates gnome share folder is gone.
[21:59] <eduardo> bardyr, do i type that in package configuration?
[21:59] <bardyr> eduardo, no, in the terminal, and replace $service with the name of the actual service
[22:00] <gnubuntu> how can i get it back? i restalled samba but still no share folder setting
[22:00] <eduardo> bardyr, i dont know the name of the actual service, I updated ubuntu and now im configuring heron
[22:01] <eduardo> bardyr, im in configuring libss10.9.8 step
[22:01] <XiXaQ> are any of you able to play realmedia files with totem?
[22:02] <eduardo> bardur, but i need to type something after "ssh"
[22:02] <eduardo> bardyr, but i need to type something after "ssh"
[22:02] <bardyr> eduardo, do you want to restart ssh?
[22:03] <eduardo> bardyr, i updated 7.10 and i need help configuring heron, i dont know anything about ssh
[22:04] <bardyr> eduardo, what is exactly your problem?
[22:04] <adelie42> I've lost my terminals (ctrl-alt-f-key) just goes to a blank cursor in the corner. I get terminals with a live dvd, just not on my installed version. any help? what needs to be reconfigured?
[22:04] <eduardo> bardyr, i dont know what to type
[22:04] <bardyr> eduardo, to do what?
[22:04] <nonix4> Is there a dvd image of hardy beta somewhere? Or just the cd ones?
[22:05] <bardyr> nonix4, just the cd's
[22:05] <adelie42> nonix4: cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd
[22:05] <eduardo> bardyr, it says: Services to restart to make them use the new libraries: then in the typing box its says ssh, and i dont know if i need to type something else or just leave it that way
[22:05] <bardyr> I stand corrected :)
[22:06] <bardyr> eduardo, just leave it as it is, if there are any problems you just reboot.
[22:06] <eduardo> ok
[22:06] <sarixe> my sound's line in is way too loud, even when Capture is at 0.  i feed my ipod in through that so i can listen to it, but it's really way too loud.  is there a way i can turn it down?
[22:07] <eduardo> bardyr, does updating ubuntu erases the files i had before updating?
[22:07] <bardyr> eduardo, nope
[22:07] <eduardo> god bless
[22:08] <eduardo> i wasnt able to log in to ubuntu, so i updated it, i hope it works when the process is done
[22:09] <bardyr> sarixe, try to go into the gnome mixer, -> Edit -> Preferences, add all volume control and play around with them
[22:09] <bardyr> sarixe, they can be misleading so try everything
[22:09] <adelie42> help  :( when I hit ctrl-alt-F1, the screen is just blank with a cursor, and typing doesn't do anything. F2-F6 does the same thing. Any suggestions?
[22:09] <sarixe> bardyr : tried all that
[22:09] <mars> adelie42, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/202977 ?
[22:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202977 in ubuntu "No way to access VTs in Hardy PPC" [High,Confirmed]
[22:10] <eduardo> im eager to try hardy
[22:12] <adelie42> mars: I am using i386 maybe AMD64, I don't remember. :/
[22:13] <sarixe> bardyr: specifically, the problem is that when i plug my ipod into usb, it makes these random loud noises, which i'm sure are a result of line-in being too loud.  it only happens when the ipod is plugged into usb AND line-in.
[22:13] <adelie42> mars: and I don't have the problem in single user mode
[22:14] <sarixe> bardyr : usually i have the ipod not at full level, so that it doesn't blast my eardrums.  but i'm under the impression that i should be able to have the ipod at full volume, and modify the Capture volume as necessary
[22:15] <bardyr> sarixe, thats and reasonable assumption
[22:15] <sarixe> bardyr : the noises should be quiet enough that i can turn my ipod up loud enough to effectively silence them, while not destroying my ears
[22:15] <mars> adelie42, I'm actually looking for something related to VTs, but I saw that similar behaviour is present in other bug reports.
[22:16] <adelie42> mars: I am finding a lot of people with this problem in gutsy...
[22:17] <michaelfavia> anyoen have recent problems with desktop cpmpositing and nvidia drivers? namely no window borders when using compiz? all xorg options correctly configured to best of knowledge.
[22:20] <sarixe> michaelfavia : try typing this in a terminal: gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[22:20] <eduardo> hey bardyr
[22:21] <michaelfavia> sarixe, thx but no luck..
[22:21] <bardyr> btw for $ubuntu+2, did anyone think about how the h**l the rest of the world should be able to pronounce the name?
[22:21] <michaelfavia> looks like an issue with the video driver
[22:21] <eduardo> bardyr, should i install new bash version or keep mine
[22:21] <sarixe> hm
[22:21] <michaelfavia> Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[22:21] <bardyr> eduardo, it's usually a good idea to install the new version
[22:21] <michaelfavia> Checking for Xgl: not present. < this is xgl xorg right?
[22:21] <eduardo> ok thanx
[22:21] <michaelfavia> i shouldnt have that on
[22:22] <sarixe> bardyr : intrepid aibex?
[22:22] <michaelfavia> sarixe, glxinfo reports: direct rendering: Yes
[22:22] <adelie42> mars: I think I found a fix... I had a vga=xxx argument in my kernel options which seems to have issues with the nvidia-glx-new driver
[22:22] <adelie42> brb
[22:22] <bardyr> sarixe, yea
[22:23] <bardyr> michaelfavia, metacity --replace &  ?
[22:23] <sarixe> michaelfavia : looks like it's not the video driver's fault then...
[22:23] <michaelfavia> bardyr, this is what ive done to geta  working desktop :)
[22:23] <michaelfavia> but obviously doesnt solve compiz.
[22:23] <sarixe> bardyr : he's using compiz
[22:23] <michaelfavia> momentarily switched to metacity so i can work..
[22:24] <michaelfavia> but AWN, etc depend on compiz. and id liek to make sure bugs are fixed in time for HHfinal
[22:24] <RainCT> michaelfavia: not necessarily
[22:24] <myk_> hey guys
[22:25] <RainCT> michaelfavia: you can get AWN to work with xcompmgr too. I haven't read what problem you have but that one might work better
[22:25] <myk_> i have blacklisted ssb and b43 by adding them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, however, ssb is still loading... any idea why?
[22:25] <michaelfavia> sarixe, and bardyr i am VERY familiar with making compiz and nvidia drivers work, etc normally no issues. just seems to be something with compiz i suppose... ther eis an archive pool right?
[22:26] <sarixe> hm
[22:26] <RainCT> michaelfavia: erm nvm
[22:26] <myk_> what happens is, once I am booted, i end up opening the console and running rmmod ssb, rmmod ndiswrapper, modprobe ndiswrapper
[22:26] <myk_> because ssb still loaded for soem reason
[22:28] <AirBender> myk_: do you have problems with ssb?
[22:28] <AirBender> i've installed it in my friend's laptop and ran pretty good
[22:28] <myk_> yes. It runs my BCM4311, however, it severely cuts the range. I can go about 5 times farther using ndiswrapper
[22:29] <myk_> with SSB/B43, i have to sit in the same room as my router
[22:29] <AirBender> just need to get the firmware with b43-fwcutter, like with bcm43xx, but far much better
[22:29] <myk_> i have.
[22:29] <AirBender> ok
[22:29] <AirBender> so bad
[22:29] <myk_> really just dont understand why a module i have blacklisted is still loading
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> The thing is though even with the greatest driver in the world the hardware is pretty crappy
[22:29] <myk_> right now, i am sitting two rooms away using ndiswrapper, but i had to manually load it as stated above
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> (broadcom)
[22:30] <myk_> agreed abotu crappy broadcom...
[22:30] <myk_> trying to find an expresscard wifi that works natively
[22:30] <AirBender> tryout atheros chipsets
[22:31] <h3sp4wn> Atheros is the other way round madwifi is pretty crappy compared to how good the hardware can be
[22:31] <myk_> i can do that, but for now, i just need assistance with blacklisting
[22:31] <Caesar> Is someone able to sponsor an upload for #203302 for me?
[22:32] <AirBender> h3sp4wn: yeah, but it's still fine for me
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> AirBender: It is usually for me just as a client
[22:32] <AirBender> myk_: did you blacklisted b43 ?
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> (Dunno why hardy still has 0.9.3.3 though 0.9.4 or trunk is alot better
[22:32] <myk_> yes, i have blacklisted bcm43xx, b43, and ssb
[22:33] <AirBender> h3sp4wn: shit happens... there's alwais a delay
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> AirBender: Doesn't affect me anyway but wouldn't be good for an LTS to be releasd with such a regression
[22:34] <AirBender> yes, I agree
[22:35] <h3sp4wn> ath5k seems like its getting alot better also
[22:35] <h3sp4wn> (not managed to get it to use my countrycode though)
[22:43] <alka_trash> damn I like "The Hardy"
[22:44] <alka_trash> Should I be able to uninstall ALSA?
[22:44] <h3sp4wn> You can use oss4 instead if that is what you mean
[22:45] <alka_trash> well I noticed when I tried to uninstall alsa, a ton of gnome packages depend on it
[22:47] <eduardo> bardyr, the update aborted
[22:47] <alka_trash> h3sp4wn: does that make sense?
[22:47] <h3sp4wn> alka_trash: They are linked against alsa-lib
[22:47] <h3sp4wn> You cannot get rid of that
[22:48] <eduardo> jimiridge?
[22:48] <alka_trash> oh okay, so hardy will have alsa and pulse audio servers then?
[22:49] <Luckrider> Hi everyone, I have a question. Any help is appreciated
[22:49] <Luckrider> I am trying to connect my wiimote
[22:49] <Luckrider> and when I run hcitool scan
[22:49] <Luckrider> it comes back with no device
[22:49] <Luckrider> can anyone help?
[22:49] <chombee_> Does the new compositor in metacity in hardy use 3D acceleration? I like it better than compix, but it seems a bit slow.
[22:50] <Luckrider> Like I said before, any help is appreciated
[22:50] <myk_> got zsnes running in KDE4/Kubuntu Hardy. Works fine, but i have no sound. I had sound using the same application in gutsy. Any ideas?
[22:51] <sap> Hi, I'm eagerly waiting to install the upcoming Hardy (8.04) , right now I'm on fiesty (which I had made dual-boot with XP).  I'd like to know would I have to go through the formatting and partition selection thing again if I want to clean install Hardy (keeping my win XP intact) , and what would be the best procedure to do so?
[22:52] <myk_> whassup, nosrednaekim
[22:52] <clarezoe> anyone knows eva qq?
[22:52] <Luckrider> sap
[22:52] <myk_> how do i change my idenity?
[22:52] <Luckrider> when hardy come out
[22:52] <sap> Luckrider, ya?
[22:52] <Luckrider> you can just go to the update manager
[22:53] <robinson> nevermind
[22:53] <Luckrider> there will be a button to click
[22:53] <eduardo> I was upgrading my ubuntu to heron, and now the upgrade was aborted due to gtk-update-icon-cache: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-pixbuf-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol :g_once_init_enter_impl, anyone knows how to fix this?
[22:53] <Luckrider> that allows you to update
[22:53] <Luckrider> without partitioning
[22:53] <sap> Luckrider, but I really wanna do a clean install rather that just upgrade
[22:53] <Luckrider> or re-installing
[22:53] <Luckrider> oh
[22:53] <Luckrider> umm....
[22:53] <Luckrider> I think it is possible to install right into the partition you currently have, you might want to check some forums
[22:54] <Luckrider> I have no idea
[22:54] <sap> okie
[22:54] <sap> ubuntuforums, u mean?
[22:54] <eduardo> I was upgrading my ubuntu to heron, and now the upgrade was aborted due to gtk-update-icon-cache: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-pixbuf-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol :g_once_init_enter_impl, anyone knows how to fix this?
[22:54] <Luckrider> how are you trying to install/
[22:54] <Luckrider> *?
[22:54] <eduardo> from console
[22:55] <Luckrider> sap, yeah
[22:55] <Luckrider> oh
[22:55] <Luckrider> ok
[22:55] <Luckrider> sorry
[22:55] <Luckrider> I updated with a fresh install
[22:55] <eduardo> mt 7.10 was fucked up, so i decided to upgrade to fix the error
[22:55] <Luckrider> I was just wondering if it was an install error
[22:55] <Luckrider> from a fresh install
[22:55] <eduardo> ahh
[22:55] <eduardo> any clue on how to fix it?=
[22:55] <Luckrider>  no, sorry
[22:56] <eduardo> i havent been able to use my comp for about 3 days
[22:56] <Luckrider> have you tried ignoreing it
[22:56] <Luckrider> ?
[22:56] <eduardo> cant, the installation auto-aborted
[22:56] <Luckrider> oh
[22:56] <Luckrider> see... I have only updated with fresh installs or through the update manger
[22:56] <Luckrider> they let you skip
[22:56] <Luckrider> well
[22:57] <Luckrider> the update manager does
[22:57] <eduardo> damn, when will i be able to fix my box!! ;,,(
[22:57] <Luckrider> lol;
[22:57] <Luckrider> I know how you feel
[22:57] <eduardo> awww
[22:57] <Luckrider> I have had those moments
[22:57] <Luckrider> umm.
[22:57] <eduardo> im chatting through irssi
[22:57] <Luckrider> you can;t use the computer at all
[22:57] <Luckrider> ?
[22:57] <eduardo> i can use console
[22:57] <Luckrider> that is it?
[22:57] <eduardo> yes, thats it
[22:58] <Luckrider> oh
[22:58] <Luckrider> ok
[22:58] <Luckrider> something really got messed up
[22:58] <eduardo> my gtk libs
[22:58] <eduardo> i think my gtk libs messed up
[22:58] <Luckrider> I would have thought that you would be able to use the previouse version
[22:58] <eduardo> i tried to reinstall them, but didnt work
[22:58] <Luckrider> yeah
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> That happened to me a few month ago (but no one else afaik)
[22:59] <eduardo> h3sp4wn u had the same issue?
[22:59] <Luckrider> is there any import data on the computer?
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> eduardo: I did yes stuff just segfaulting all the time
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> I dunno how it happened either
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> you could just temporarily install kde
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> It was a few months ago
[22:59] <eduardo> h3sp4wn how did u fix it?
[23:00] <rinaldi_> can anyone recommend an app to convert and burn a video file to one playable in a dvd player?
[23:00] <ere4si> avidemux
[23:01] <Luckrider> yeah that sounds good to me (never actually used it for that)
[23:01] <h3sp4wn> eduardo: I uninstalled almost everything
[23:01] <alex_mayorga> does latest updates include serious breakage?
[23:01] <h3sp4wn> eduardo: I tried all sorts of stuff so I am not even 100% sure what it was that fixed it
[23:01] <Luckrider> eduardo, if there is no important data, just install HH from a disk
[23:01] <Luckrider> oh, you know
[23:02] <Luckrider> I had my own question
[23:02] <eduardo> h3sp4wn no i dont want to lose my data
[23:02] <Luckrider> ok
[23:02] <Luckrider> I see
[23:02] <rinaldi_> ere4si: avidemux doesn't read the file properly (says "cannot read from file")
[23:02] <h3sp4wn> eduardo: I used aptitude and stripped it back to almost nothing and then started putting stuff back
[23:02] <ere4si> rinaldi_: what sort of file?
[23:02] <h3sp4wn> I kept /home
[23:02] <eduardo> jimiridge was helping me get through the problem but he seems to be idle
[23:02] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to connect a wiimote to ubuntu, I have an internal adapter
[23:03] <rinaldi_> ere4si: its an mpeg ts, recorded from mythtv
[23:03] <eduardo> h3sp4wn well i cant log into ubuntu
[23:03] <Luckrider> I keep trying hcitool scan
[23:03] <eduardo> i can only use console
[23:03] <h3sp4wn> eduardo: Can you get to a terminal ?
[23:03] <Luckrider> and it doesn't work
[23:03] <eduardo> h3sp4wn yes, i can only use console
[23:03] <ere4si> rinaldi_: that is a transport stream - one min and I'll read a bit :)
[23:04] <Luckrider> console s terminal h3sp4wn
[23:04] <Luckrider> *is
[23:04] <eduardo> im fed up with this shit
[23:04] <eduardo> u should be able to fix it
[23:04] <eduardo> I*
[23:04] <h3sp4wn> Did you try making another user
[23:04] <eduardo> no
[23:04] <eduardo> how do i do a new one?
[23:05] <eduardo> but i dont think that will solve the problem, libs are rlly fucked up
[23:05] <h3sp4wn> adduser --add_extra_groups
[23:06] <h3sp4wn> have a look at man adduser there is loads of options but you will want those extra groups
[23:06] <h3sp4wn> At least then you will know 100% its not something just to do with your stuff in
[23:06] <ere4si> rinaldi_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-388842.html - tells you how to sort that
[23:06] <h3sp4wn> ~
[23:07] <rinaldi_> ere4si: i just downloaded winff and it seems to read the file ok. converting to pal dvd now, but il also try that. thanks
[23:07] <ere4si> k
[23:07] <Adys> Question, what should I use, nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx ?
[23:07] <Adys> I suppose the new one, but..
[23:08] <h3sp4wn> Depends I think the new one has different bugs
[23:08] <Adys> Im getting an error when trying opera's linux gogi
[23:09] <Adys> ./lingogi: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:09] <Adys> seems its related to nvidia-glx
[23:09] <mneptok> Adys: depends on your nVidia chipset
[23:09] <Adys> 8600gts
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> I dunno whether you even can have 96.xx
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> installing hardy as we speak! partitioning was really fast...
[23:12] <MrKeuner> hi, does hardy have openoffice 2.4?
[23:13] <amx109> MrKeuner, not yet
[23:13] <Luckrider> hold on
[23:13] <Luckrider> ok
[23:13] <Luckrider> there is your answer
[23:13] <Luckrider> it is 2.3
[23:14] <MrKeuner> amx109: yet? you mean it might change before release?
[23:14] <Luckrider> does anyone know of a how-to guide for connecting a wiimote to Hardy
[23:14] <Luckrider> ?
[23:14] <Luckrider> help is appreciated
[23:14] <h3sp4wn> Yeah the project leaders have been known to add stuff at the last min before
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: yeah.. thats something thats definately going to take some googling... though it is definately possible
[23:15] <Luckrider> I have tried for a few days now
[23:15] <amx109> MrKeuner, im not sure
[23:15] <Luckrider> this is my last place to look
[23:15] <MrKeuner> amx109: OK thanks
[23:15] <Luckrider> I get a problem
[23:15] <Luckrider> see...
[23:15] <Luckrider> when i try hcitool scan, i get no such device
[23:16] <Luckrider> is there a way to install hcitool or something
[23:16] <Luckrider> ?
[23:16] <brett_h> my postgresql-8.3 install didn't initialize the cluster or anything, where would I go to check/re-run that script?
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> !info hcitool hardy
[23:17] <Luckrider> thanks nisrednaekim
[23:17] <Luckrider> i am about to try that
[23:18] <Luckrider> bash: !info: event not found
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: thats a bot command ;)
[23:18] <Luckrider> nosredneakim
[23:18] <Luckrider> oh
[23:18] <Luckrider> oops
[23:18] <Luckrider> duh
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> but he doesn't seem to be around
[23:18] <Luckrider> lol
[23:19] <Luckrider> i am not so used to terminal so i thought it was a command foe terminal
[23:19] <Luckrider> I am so stupid
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> XD
[23:19] <Luckrider> i should have realized it was for a bot
[23:19]  * Luckrider facepalms myself
[23:19] <Luckrider> *himself
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> its ok :)
[23:20] <Luckrider> lol
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: search in your package managerand see if hcitool is available
[23:20] <Luckrider> yeah, it just seamed correct with the hci thing
[23:20] <Luckrider> ok
[23:20] <Luckrider> let me check
[23:20] <Luckrider> There is no matching application available.
[23:21] <Luckrider> nosrednaekim
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> hrm.
[23:23] <Luckrider> i had tried sudo apt-get install hclitool before
[23:23] <Luckrider> and it said could not find
[23:23] <slipttees> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
[23:24] <Luckrider> btw, I really appreciate the help
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> hclitoo?
[23:24] <Luckrider> yeah, that is what I had seen in some forums
[23:25] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: try http://www.wiili.org/index.php/WMD and report any success ;)
[23:25] <Luckrider> but, those were for older versions, not hardy
[23:25] <Luckrider> ok
[23:25] <Luckrider> wait
[23:25] <Luckrider> I hav tried that
[23:25] <Luckrider> I keep getting stuck at the same point as I previously stated
[23:26] <Luckrider> I can't connect the wiimote, so I am not worrying about the driver yet
[23:26] <Luckrider> alex_mayorga
[23:27] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: I once paired the wiimote on hardy before, didn't pursuit it tough, but it does work, check that your bluetooth stack is working
[23:27] <brett_h> I have two 8.04 machines I installed postgresql-8.3 on, one one of them - the cluster wasn't initialized, where would I find and run the script to do this now?
[23:27] <Luckrider> ok
[23:27] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: try to pair something else
[23:27] <Luckrider> thanks alex_mayorga
[23:27] <Luckrider> ummm
[23:27] <Luckrider> I have nothing else to pair
[23:28] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: for the record the page I passed you is what I used IIRC
[23:28] <Luckrider> hmmm.
[23:28] <Luckrider> let me double check that page
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[23:28] <Luckrider> ok
[23:28] <Luckrider> thanks
[23:28] <Luckrider> i will bring that up in a sec
[23:29] <alex_mayorga> I might as well take my wiimote for another spin with the new release of bluez, but I don't really see the point of it just yet
[23:30] <Luckrider> does it support the nunchuck?
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> any experts on fixing nvidia rainbowish effect, I can't get a GUI going anymore
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> dunno
[23:30] <Luckrider> because if it doesn't I might as well wait also
[23:30] <Luckrider> or...
[23:30] <Luckrider> I could just give it to my freind
[23:30] <Luckrider> if it doesn't work
[23:30] <Luckrider> he will script it to work
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> how can I get vesa kicking again
[23:30] <Luckrider> hmm
[23:31] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: ship it to me and I'll test out ;)
[23:31] <Luckrider> lol
[23:31] <Luckrider> alex
[23:31] <Luckrider> go to applications>other>screens and monitors
[23:31] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, ping
[23:31] <Luckrider> try changing the graphics card driver there
[23:32] <alex_mayorga> Luckrider: theres no GDM here, not usable at least
[23:32] <Luckrider> I had some problems at first with my Radeon Firegl
[23:32] <Luckrider> oh
[23:32] <Luckrider> see... that is how I fixed my problem
[23:32] <alex_mayorga> thanks anyway
[23:32] <Luckrider> np
[23:32] <Luckrider> thanks for your help
[23:33] <Luckrider> I feel like taking without giving back is just wrong
[23:33] <alex_mayorga> then you've got Ubuntu on you :)
[23:33] <ichat> ho well it speach support improved for  hardy  .. is any one working on it.  arer there known improvents
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> ichat: ORCA is being improved or so I've read on gnome
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> !orca
[23:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orca - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <ichat> that for  gnome only right?
[23:40] <trukosh> Hi. When i open a file that contains "umlaute" or other special signs in "vi" everything is fine. If i use less they are broken, if i do an "ls" on files on a samba-Share, they are also broken, newly created files on same share are fine... (I did a fresh install on a second system, again choosing german language during installation. It's the same problem there) - Any hints?
[23:40] <alex_mayorga> it's being done on gnome, ORCA is a gnome project but it would surely trickle into ubuntu
[23:42] <ichat> last i tried was rather  hard to work with on   7.10
[23:43] <ichat> specially to get it workin with  lets say firefox
[23:45] <alex_mayorga> ichat: have to go for now, but I'd also love a speaking Hardy
[23:45] <ichat> rith
[23:46] <alex_mayorga> let's catch up latter, I'm a true believer on accessibility, not just for the fanciness of it
[23:46] <Koji-Murasame> Anyone having/had problems with their video card in the Kubuntu (KDE4) Hardy Beta?
[23:46] <orvokki> Which video card?
[23:47] <Koji-Murasame> NVIDIA Geforce FX 5700
[23:47] <orvokki> nvidia-glx-new?
[23:47] <Koji-Murasame> It funks up the screen.
[23:48] <ichat> same here
[23:49] <ichat> but i doubt is ubuntu's fault
[23:49] <Koji-Murasame> Nvidia driver problem?
[23:49] <ichat> afaict
[23:50] <ichat> all me  GF 5 series of card borked at this driver (on slackware  and ubuntu )
[23:52] <Koji-Murasame> What mid/high end AGP cards seem to work well, I've been considering an upgrade. . .
[23:53] <warrend> hi
[23:53] <ichat> anything above the  6x series  afaik... but to be hunnest  - i havent tried al lof of it yet...
[23:54] <warrend> why do you think about my comment on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764
[23:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in usplash "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [High,Confirmed]
[23:55] <nejode> Koji-Murasame: have you tried the driver from nvidia?
[23:55] <ichat> probably a nice  68xx of  69xx  of   76xx  etc would work briliantly
[23:55] <Koji-Murasame> I just did. It won't install. Says I don't have the libc packages even though I do.
[23:56] <nejode> Koji-Murasame: have you tried>> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[23:56] <ichat> but im not sure  you may well get it to work  with some  better settings if you read on it
[23:57] <slipttees> Have any command in ubuntu, which remove all the programs that are not in ubuntu-desktop?
[23:57] <bazhang> slipttees: nay
[23:57] <slipttees> nay ?
[23:58] <Koji-Murasame> nejode: I haven't on this install, but last time I tried (gutsy beta) it broke my system.
[23:58] <bazhang> slipttees: No.
[23:58] <warrend> what do you think about the usplash bug?