[00:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping, how did you get icecc working? I have all the required ports open on the daemon and scheduler hosts, but the scheduler only recognizes the daemon on localhost, and not on the 2nd daemon host...
[01:16] <nixternal> ryanakca: I just installed icecc on all of my machines...did nothing else really
[01:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm... odd. ok, thanks.
[01:29]  * ryanakca guesses it's his firewall...
[02:56] <ScottK2> awen_: Thanks
[03:09] <ScottK2> Do you have a good test case that demonstrates the bug that I can use to check if I've fixed it andresj?
[03:10] <ScottK2> We're discussing bug 208556
[03:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[03:10] <andresj> ScottK2: I have my own application, but I think that to be sure I would use the one in http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2007/03/msg00143.html
[03:10]  * ScottK2 looks
[03:11] <andresj> instead of that, qdbuscpp2xml returns <!DOCTYPE node PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Object Introspection 1.0//EN" "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd">\n<node>\n</node>
[03:11] <andresj> (with the \n replaced with newlines)
[03:12] <ScottK2> Right.
[03:13] <ScottK2> nixternal: You around?
[03:14] <andresj> never mind... qdbuscpp2xml does that one correctly.
[03:14] <andresj> let me find another test case.
[03:15] <ScottK2> OK.
[03:24] <andresj> mm... apparently the only reason why it didn't work is because I was using KUrl as the type of an argument of a slot.
[03:25] <ScottK2> So does that make it a lower priority in your opinion then?
[03:25] <andresj> i think that then, maybe that's not the problem... because KUrl has existed since KDE 3...
[03:25] <andresj> might be that im just using the wrong type.
[03:27] <andresj> I'll ask about that in #kde and #kde-devel
[03:28] <ScottK2> Good luck.
[03:28] <andresj> :D thanks for your help, though :D
[04:09] <nixternal> ScottK2: what's up?
[04:10] <ScottK2> nixternal: I was looking for someone who could help andresj out, but he got headed in the right direction.  What do you think about the patch discussed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2007/03/msg00143.html
[04:11]  * nixternal looks
[04:12] <nixternal> that is for Qt 4.2
[04:13] <nixternal> has it been addressed upstream at all?
[04:13] <nixternal> ie. the 4.3 release that we have or the 4.4 release coming up soon
[04:13] <ScottK2> Dunno.
[04:14] <ScottK2> I'm pretty qt stupid, which is why I screamed for help.
[04:14] <andresj> by the way, I think the problem _was_ that I used KUrl instead of QString in my interface, so while I think that using moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4 might still cause problems, its not as grave as I thought (it works good in most cases I have tried)
[04:15] <ScottK2> Yes, but if it's a reasonable fix and it helps, we should see about doing it.
[04:15] <nixternal> I just ran his test with 4.3 and it produces exactly what he pasted in the report
[04:16] <ScottK2> Sounds like it's valid then.
[04:16] <ScottK2> Does the fix look right to you?
[04:17] <nixternal> oh man, that was fixed last year
[04:17] <nixternal> the report isn't valid anymore, the test.cpp works as it should
[04:18] <nixternal> and I don't have /usr/share/qt4/bin prefixed in PATH either
[04:18] <ScottK2> Ah.  OK.
[04:19] <ScottK2> Mark it fix released then please.
[04:19] <ScottK2> nixternal: Thanks for looking at it.
[04:19] <nixternal> who should mark it as fixed?
[04:19] <ScottK2> I don't care.
[04:20]  * ScottK2 was talking to nixternal, but whoever.
[04:20] <nixternal> what am I supposed to mark as fixed?
[04:20] <ScottK2>  bug 208556
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[04:20] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:20]  * ScottK2 digs back into kde-guidance.
[04:21] <ScottK2> It may be crusty, but at least it's python.
[04:21] <nixternal> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2006-12-16 19:09 /usr/bin/moc -> /etc/alternatives/moc
[04:21] <nixternal> ie. moc is an /etc/alternative
[04:21]  * ScottK2 can do Python.
[04:21] <ScottK2> Ah.
[04:21] <nixternal> so it is going to use whichever version of qt4 is active
[04:21] <nixternal> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2008-02-28 23:02 /etc/alternatives/moc -> /usr/bin/moc-qt3
[04:22] <nixternal> ooh, it is set to moc-qt3
[04:22] <nixternal> interesting
[04:22] <ScottK2> Have fun.
[04:22] <nixternal> damn you!
[04:23] <nixternal> I guess that would be a packaging bug?
[04:23] <nixternal> it isn't a qt bug
[04:27] <nixternal> ScottK2: easy fix, just add and update-alternatives line to the qt4-dev-tools.postinst
[04:27] <nixternal> or libqt4-dev.postinst rather
[04:28] <nixternal> hrmm, actually it is already there
[04:28] <nixternal> priority level is 40, to low
[04:29] <nixternal> and even running the test with moc-qt4 it still works
[04:34] <nixternal> Riddell: when you wake up and get around, check out bug #208556 - it is a valid bug I guess because libqt4-dev.postinst isn't installing at a priority high enough to become the default...though i am not sure how you want to handle this...bug/no-bug
[04:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[04:34] <nixternal> I guess we could temporarily patch it to do /moc-qt4 instead of relying on the postinst for alternatives priority
[04:35] <nixternal> actually, that probably makes the most sense
[04:35] <nixternal> ScottK2: ^^
[04:35] <nixternal> as qdbuscpp2xml is a qt4 only app
[04:36] <ScottK2> Yep.  that makes sense.
[04:37] <nixternal> I will leave that up to Riddell though, Qt4 is his baby
[04:37] <nixternal> actually
[04:38] <nixternal> patches/05_append_qt4_target.diff:+QMAKE_MOC        = \$\$QT_BUILD_TREE/bin/moc-qt4
[04:38] <nixternal> it is already patched
[04:38]  * nixternal runs strace
[04:38]  * ScottK2 goes to bed.
[04:38] <ScottK2> Good night.
[04:38] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:42] <nixternal> andresj: ahh, you are here
[04:43] <nixternal> andresj: that has been fixed for ever a year, there is a patch in the package called 03_launch_moc-qt4.diff that s/\/moc/\/moc-qt4
[04:43] <nixternal> ahh, you figured out the problem already :)
[04:44] <nixternal> ScottK2: FYI, that patch has been in the Qt4 package since the beginning of June 2007.
[04:46] <andresj> :D but it's not applied to the ubuntu package yet...
[04:47] <andresj> I did apt-src install qt4-x11, and checked the source code for that particular file, and it still says "/moc" instead of "/moc-qt4"
[04:48] <andresj> oh never mind... the patches are not applied yet... :( now is when its showed that I know nothing about Debian packaging :D
[04:48] <nixternal> lol
[04:48] <nixternal> you will learn young jedi :)
[04:48] <andresj> xD
[04:48] <nixternal> the patches get applied during the build process
[04:49] <andresj> I see.
[04:55] <nixternal> man, I was confused for the first 10 minutes of looking at that bug
[04:55] <nixternal> I followed the test.cpp from the debian report, and it worked as it should
[04:56] <andresj> well I wrote a comment explaining my ignorance in the bug page :D
[04:57] <nixternal> good that you caught it though..I just never realized you were the same person at first who filed the bug until I went to your wiki page :)
[04:58] <andresj> hahaha, well your nickname has nothing to do with your name either (as far as I can tell :D)
[05:04] <nixternal> not yet it doesn't...if they let me change my name legally then I will be good :)
[09:15] <Artemis_Fowl> AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST in (K)ubuntu GRUB's config is necessary for what?
[10:16] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: updating the kernel
[10:17] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: could you explain some more? are they absolutely necessary?
[10:18] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: yes, when you install a new kernel, it automagically places and removes the necessary entries from the list
[10:18] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: and what happens if those lines are deleted? won't the kernels update?
[10:19] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: hmm, good question
[10:22] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: it probably goes about crying and trying to restore them
[10:23] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: so if you delete them, is this a big problem or of minor importance?
[10:24] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: don't think it's recommended..
[10:25] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick:hmm
[10:26] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: it means when you install a new kernel it won't automatically be used
[10:27] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: are you just wondering what it is for or are you trying to do something specific with kernels?
[10:28] <Artemis_Fowl> one min
[10:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: actually because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/196756
[10:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: I develop KGRUBEditor
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196756 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor doesn't recognize AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST entries" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:34] <seaLne> ah, well for debian based distributions i'd say it was very important not to break the AUTOMAGIC section
[10:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: actually the AUTOMAGIC section is a GRUB misuse
[10:35] <seaLne> as most people expect it to work
[10:35] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: quite possibly
[10:36] <seaLne> but its the way kernels have been handled in debian for a long time
[10:36] <Artemis_Fowl> and moreover a pain in the neck for developers :)
[10:37] <seaLne> when a debian kernel is installed it looks for the AUTOMAGIC section so it can add the new kernel details in the correct place
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: as I can see the AUTOMAGIC sections is something like this:
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some comments
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some more comments
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> # an option
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl>  
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some comments
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## etc etc etc
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## ## End Default Options ##
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl>  
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> title Debian
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> kernal dummy_kernel
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl>  
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> title and so on
[10:42] <Artemis_Fowl> ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:42] <Artemis_Fowl> right?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> dude, pastebin?
[10:42] <seaLne> yep
[10:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: does any other distro 'misuse' GRUB's comments in a similar manner from your experience?
[10:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: for Debian-based I think I can patch this
[10:51] <seaLne> i haven't really used any non debian based distros in years
[10:51] <jpatrick> debian/rules
[10:51] <Artemis_Fowl> i think opensuse has a similar system. i'll check it out
[11:00]  * jpatrick says "yay"
[11:00] <jpatrick> alpine just decided to delete all my @kubuntu mail
[11:01] <\sh> whatever alpine is ;)
[11:02] <jpatrick> freely licensed version of pine
[11:03] <fdoving> good thing you have backups then :)
[11:03] <jpatrick> err, no, imap
[11:04] <\sh> jpatrick: this is really bad then :)
[11:04] <fdoving> kubuntu mail can't be that important anyway :)
[11:04] <jpatrick> \sh: I suppose so, been meaning to clear it all out anyway
[11:05] <Hobbsee> fdoving: or is all archived
[11:06] <fdoving> yep.
[11:06] <seaLne> even the large quantities of spam to @kubuntu ? :)
[11:07] <jpatrick> canonical must set up an anti-spam filter
[11:08] <seaLne> thats up to the user imho
[11:08]  * \sh just got one or two spam mails in the last month from @ubuntu mail
[11:09] <seaLne> i get spam to the 4 addresses on my gpg key usually one after the other in the order on the key :-/
[11:09]  * Hobbsee gets lots of spam from @ubuntu.com
[11:09] <fdoving> i get alot too.
[11:09]  * jpatrick gets about 7 daily
[11:09]  * \sh never used the @ubuntu.com mail address in public...afaik..
[11:09] <fdoving> not sure which address, but it comes from fiordland.ubuntu.com usually.
[11:10] <jpatrick> I blame all the package list
[11:10] <jpatrick> -s*
[11:10] <seaLne> i blame the spammers
[11:11] <\sh> well, more bad is when they send out spam with your personal email address as sender...and no one is checking the SPF records :( so I get many "return to sender" mails from anyone else...
[11:12] <\sh> the internet is broken by design, imho ;)
[11:12] <fdoving> no doubt about it.
[11:13] <fdoving> wasn't designed to do what it currently is doing.
[11:13] <\sh> well, it was designed to resists an a-bomb...but I think humans are much worse then the a-bomb
[11:14] <seaLne> yeah as usual the users are the problem
[11:15] <\sh> yeah osi layer 8 bug
[11:15] <\sh> the problem is sitting in front of the keyboard and screen
[11:15] <\sh> it's one bug we will never solve
[11:25] <jpatrick> awen_: hey, how did the bash thing go?
[11:26] <awen_> jpatrick: the conclusion was, that it wasn't removed by accident... but they considered to include the bash_completion package on the cd, but without ubuntu-standard depending on it
[11:27] <awen_> jpatrick: so i would suppose that we should do the same on the kubuntu cd's ?
[11:27] <jpatrick> awen_: probably /me still thinks zsh > *
[11:28] <fdoving> i think i'm getting old. i start hating changes, policykit, apparmor, bash_completion etc. don't like them.
[11:28] <\sh> awen_: hmmm? "they" removed bash_completion from the -standard seed?
[11:28] <awen_> jpatrick: and zsh has the equivalent of bash_completion?
[11:28] <jpatrick> awen_: built-in and maintained by upstream
[11:29] <awen_> \sh: yes... it had been unmaintained upstream for some time, that was why
[11:29] <jpatrick> awen_: did you try out the .zshrc I gave?
[11:29] <\sh> hmm...so why we don't compile our own stuff for bash? I mean, not overbloated but good completion defaults
[11:30] <awen_> jpatrick: no not yet... i'm just going to boot up my virtual machine and test zsh
[11:30] <jpatrick> awen_: cool
[11:31] <awen_> \sh: there was some talk about, that someone was going to ressurrect it in some way (nothing really clear)
[11:32] <awen_> \sh: i was mostly pointed at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/26/%23ubuntu-devel.html <--- look at 14:24 and forward
[11:34] <\sh> awen_: ah yes..I remember
[11:36] <awen_> the il8n is a little to complete... all the languages is also written in the default locale when you want to change it; so changing to a language that you don't know and it is getting a bit hard changing back
[11:46] <awen_> jpatrick: zsh gives me a lot of warnings regarding the .zshrc when starting, like "command not found ^M"
[11:46] <jpatrick> awen_: can you pastebin them?
[11:49] <awen-hardy-test> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61451/
[11:49] <awen_> jpatrick: there ^^
[11:49] <jpatrick> ...
[11:50] <jpatrick> those should be the key bindings for all the functions
[11:50] <Hobbsee> awen_: remove the ^M's then, and don't use notepad/etc to edit them
[11:50] <jpatrick> awen_: do you have a prompt at least?
[11:51] <Nightrose> Tonio_: yay for working OSD in Konversation :)   thx a lot
[11:51] <jpatrick> awen_: if so try: apt-<tab> and tell me what you think
[11:51] <awen_> jpatrick: yes... nothing written that indicates that it is a prompt, but it works
[11:51] <zorglu_>  q. before i found a channel with the ubuntu people which take care about all the server/mirror to store the .deb of ubuntu. i dont remember the name tho... anybody got suggestion?
[11:52] <jpatrick> zorglu_: #ubuntu-motu?
[11:52] <awen_> jpatrick: i think it needs to read the .zshrc correctly... things jump around on the screen
[11:53] <awen_> Hobbsee: I can't find them... they are empty lines, and deleting/restoring the empty lines in nano doesn't help
[11:53] <jpatrick> awen_: hmm
[11:54] <zorglu_> jpatrick: well no, it was more about the storage, not that much the building of the .deb :) but yep #ubuntu-motu may know, thanks :)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> awen_: what editor are you looking in?
[11:54] <awen_> Hobbsee: nano atm
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:58] <awen_> "wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61424/plain/" as .zshrc and it still complains
[11:58]  * awen_ is back in 20 minutes
[11:59] <jpatrick> awen_: copy and paste from Konqueror, might be a pastebin thing..
[12:00]  * Hobbsee looks at it for interesting bits
[12:00] <Hobbsee> # Follow GNU LS_COLORS for completion menus
[12:00] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> do bad symlinks show up as red with that?
[12:00] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: makes ls pretty
[12:00] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: like what?
[12:01] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: @ for links, and stuff like "music/" for folders
[12:02] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: just save as .zshrc and see ;)
[12:02] <smarter> ls -F does the @ and / things
[12:02] <smarter> zstyle ':completion:*' list-colors "${(s.:.)LS_COLORS}" add colors to the zsh completion
[12:03] <smarter> jpatrick: do you know how to force zsh to complete some files?
[12:04] <smarter> it doesn't want to complete .pro files(qmake project)
[12:04] <jpatrick> smarter: hmm, howso?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ...zcalc...*drool*
[12:07] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: things I like most are lines 222 to 239
[12:07] <smarter> jpatrick: when I do touch a.pro && ls a[tab] I don't see the .pro file
[12:07] <Hobbsee> enolines
[12:07] <jpatrick> smarter: because the file doesn't exist to it yet probably..
[12:07] <smarter> nevermind I found why ;)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[12:08] <Hobbsee> tetris!
[12:08] <smarter> I had that in my config file: fignore=(.o .c~ .pro)
[12:11]  * Hobbsee drools
[12:11] <Hobbsee> insert files looks nice, too!
[12:11] <Hobbsee> bah.  mine already does that.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> prediction looks nice, though
[12:13] <jpatrick> it's so good it's evil
[12:15] <Hobbsee> too bad if some command came up that i didn't want though :P
[12:17] <awen_> jpatrick: that worked better :) ... seems the plain mode is broken
[12:18] <jpatrick> awen_: that explains it :)
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> QTCurve is awesome....
[12:18] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ah yes, they look neat
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> hardy is awesome for that matter
[12:19] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: :)
[12:20] <awen_> jpatrick: now i just need to know how to change the default shell ;)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> awen_: chsh
[12:20] <smarter> awen_: chsh
[12:21] <awen_> ahh... almost to easy, thanks :)
[12:21] <jpatrick> is it my turn? awen_ chsh
[12:21] <jpatrick> awen_: you just do: chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh
[12:22]  * Hobbsee grumbles
[12:22] <Hobbsee> stuff like 'ls' doesn't work now.
[12:22] <Hobbsee> unless i use 'ls<space><backspace>
[12:22] <jpatrick> ...
[12:23] <jpatrick> alias ls="ls -F --color=always"
[12:24]  * awen_ thinks it still misses some very important functions regarding ssh/scp
[12:25] <jpatrick> awen_: yeah, you may want to remove the line with _myhosts=( ${${${${(f)"$(<$HOME/.ssh/known_hosts)"}:#[0-9]*}%%\ *}%%,*} ) and the one below it
[12:28] <awen_> jpatrick: not better... it doesn't seem to pick up hosts from ssh_config :(
[12:29] <jpatrick> hmm, never used that before..
[12:29] <Hobbsee> you have tried gnome-do, ahven't you?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> or katapult, if it supports it
[12:30] <awen_> jpatrick: it's nice... especially if you have different usernames, you want it to pick up the alias/hostnames in ssh_config
[12:30]  * jpatrick goes off for a bit... hardy upgrade
[12:31] <jpatrick> awen_: will check it out later
[12:31] <awen_> jpatrick: okay... but in general, nice :)
[12:32]  * awen_ wonders who Hobbsee was questioning...
[12:32]  * jpatrick thinks... you :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> whoever.
[12:32]  * awen_ haven't tried gnome-do
[12:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm jealous of that... but haven't tried it yet myself... is it in Gutsy?
[12:34]  * Jucato was hoping Katapult would have grown by now...
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've got a backport of it, but i think it's old
[12:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol!! the printer config system tray behaves a lot like Windows system tray notifications :)
[12:35] <Jucato> or is that generally true of GNOME?
[12:35]  * Hobbsee hasn't noticed it
[12:35]  * Hobbsee doesnt' have such a thing - might have disabled it
[12:35] <Jucato> it just popped first to tell me that the printer is ready to be used, then 2nd to tell me that I'm low on ink
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: heh
[12:36] <Jucato> with a yellow balloon/popup with a close button at the upper right corner :)
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: them is what you call "features" :P
[12:36] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: people complained about how that worked.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: so they added the bubble
[12:37] <Jucato> heh but the bubble (with the close button) is soooo XP! :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> that was the point
[12:37] <Jucato> (sorry, first time GNOME user in a long time :P)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> people were thinking that the printers hadn't been recognised, as they hadn't been told about it.
[12:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the notification thing is not what I'm having smiling about :)
[12:38]  * nosrednaekim thinks of Suse which has a really annoying "First time hardware" wizard....
[12:38] <Jucato> it's just that it has that close button at the corner :D
[12:39] <Jucato> and the bubble is yellow and the button is almost red... :)
[12:39] <Jucato> anyway, I'm looking forward to Kubuntu's own printer config :D
[12:39]  * Jucato is not touching Hardy until the release. wants to be surprised :D
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> uhhh oh.....I better get crackin then ^_^
[12:40] <Jucato> heh I'm not the one you should be worrying about :P
[12:41]  * nosrednaekim thinks of the vampire users and agrees
[12:45] <Jucato> hm.. I just noticed that their Add/Remove Programs doesn't ask for the password until it's time to install... like KPackage...
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> packageKit...
[12:48] <Jucato> :P
[12:48] <Jucato> soon
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> whooops... I mean "PolicyKit"
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> thats what allows them to do that
[12:48] <Jucato> :P
[12:49] <Jucato> soon too :)
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> yep
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> ha.... so I get this "crappy" intel celeron laptop and it ends up being faster than my X2 one
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> Hmm i ported asoundconf-gtk to qt4. How do i get it out to the real world?
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: awesome... probably make a launchpad project for ir
[12:58] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: There is one for asoundconf-ui now i want to make a qt4 branch
[12:58] <Jucato> or qt-apps.org. but LP has more goodies
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> Looks a bit confused at the addbranch form
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: did you rewrite any of the backend?
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> becuase if so, you probably don't want to branch it
[13:02] <xRaich[o]2x> Nope it's just a new frontend
[13:03] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: in that case, yeah, branch it.  Its really simple
[13:03]  * xRaich[o]2x wants to make a branch asoundconf-qt4
[13:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ok i don't really get the stuff with the ssh key
[13:04] <xRaich[o]2x> branch is created
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> now you can just push to that branch, or you can switch your local copy to using that branch. let me look up the command for that
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: i read that i need to register an ssh key first. how do i do that?
[13:07] <xRaich[o]2x> and how do i create that key
[13:07]  * xRaich[o]2x feels stupid ^^
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> !ssh
[13:07] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> hrm... I think there is a tutorial up on Launchpad
[13:07] <TheInfinity> xRaich[o]2x, i also felt stupid about this, i didnt get 5-bugs-a-day running in osx
[13:08] <xRaich[o]2x> TheInfinity: Never really had a need to do this before ^^
[13:08] <TheInfinity> and linux does not run well native, so i often reinstall it for tests -> moep.
[13:12] <xRaich[o]2x> ok got an ssh key ^^
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: edit your launchpad profile and add it
[13:13] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: been there done that ;)
[13:16] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: is there a structure i need to have inside that branch?
[13:16] <xRaich[o]2x> or is it enough to just put the files into it?
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: structure? no, but i'dkeep it as close to trunk as possible
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> woah... Hardy doesn't use ksplash?
[13:20] <awen_> nosrednaekim: mine does (kde3) ... and iirc my vm with a new beta-install did too
[13:21] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: whoops. just found out that someone already ported it. Well, i consider it an excercise in python ^^
[13:21]  * awen_ didn't rrc
[13:22] <awen_> nosrednaekim: yes seems that ksplash has been disabled in hardy
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: :)
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> at least i finally learned how to handle regex ^^
[13:48] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[13:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping, have you managed to use icecc with kdesvn-build yet?
[13:52] <ryanakca> methinks he'll have to write some documentation for it once he gets it figured out...
[13:53] <davmor2> anyone is the new menu system in KDE4 still called Kmenu or is it actually called plasma now ?
[13:53] <smarter> it's kickoff
[13:53] <davmor2> thanks just doing updates to the testing page :)
[13:59] <Nightrose> hmm something is screwed here - when right clicking on a file in dolphin it opens the file and the menu - can someone reproduce this? (hardy and kde 4)
[14:45] <seaLne> jpatrick: Bug #208801
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208801 in kdebase "encrypted volumes aren't decrypted if the password is a space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208801
[14:46] <seaLne> presumably some lack of escaping
[15:06]  * seaLne really needs to get a usb hub so he dosen't have to keep swapping between pendrives
[15:16] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[15:29] <jpatrick> seaLne: hmmm
[15:32] <ScottK2> nixternal: What'd you conclude about the but we were discussing last night?
[15:32] <seaLne> jpatrick: i'll have a look at it while i'm trying to get raw devices working
[15:34] <jpatrick> seaLne: really must get to grips with c++/qt this year
[15:34] <seaLne> where did the luks stuff come from?
[15:39] <jpatrick> seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629
[15:39] <ubotu> KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New]
[15:40] <nixternal> ScottK2: our Qt4 is fixed...he made a booboo in the code that caused the problem
[15:44] <jpatrick> seaLne: the author is on LP, I'll subscribe him to the bug
[15:44] <ScottK2> nixternal: Cool.  Thanks.
[15:49] <seaLne> jpatrick: so is it currently an old version of the patch in kubuntu?
[15:49] <jpatrick> seaLne: no, the update was uploaded
[15:49] <seaLne> k
[15:50] <jpatrick> bug #186841
[15:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186841 in kdebase "[hardy] Please merge latest version of kio media LUKS support" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186841
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> kdelibs for KDE4 are appropriately packaged?
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> I think I miss some header files
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> I indeed miss some files.....
[16:14] <Kryczek> Hi!
[16:14] <Kryczek> Can anybody please help me understand my kio_http problem?
[16:15] <Kryczek> nothing relying on HTTP in KDE works anymore: Konqueror, Kopete (for the MSN protocol but not AIM/ICQ/GTalk at least), KWeather, etc
[16:15] <Kryczek> and it does so since an upgrade yesterday
[16:16] <Kryczek> I'm running Kubuntu 8, but I upgraded to 8 because I had exactly the same problem in 7
[16:16] <Kryczek> it worked for a few days, and yesterday i noticed an upgrade for KDE packages, and now it doesnt work anymore
[16:17] <ScottK2> Kryczek: It's not a global problem as I've been using Konqueror today without issue on a fully updated Hardy system.
[16:18] <ScottK2> Kryczek: Try creating a new user and see if it has the same problem.  Support is in #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1.
[16:19] <Kryczek> ScottK2: i'm in them already ;/
[16:20] <Kryczek> but I thought developers would know best how to understand such a problem
[16:20] <ScottK2> OK.  Well there are developers in those channels too.
[16:20] <ScottK2> I gave you a suggestion, but I don't think you're facing a development related issue.
[16:21] <Kryczek> i know, i'm a developer myself
[16:21] <Kryczek> but i was right to come ask here: it works with another user indeed :D
[16:25] <smarter> Kryczek: maybe you have something wrong in your ~/.kde
[16:25] <Kryczek> i was just looking at my .kde/share/config/kio_httprc
[16:26] <Kryczek> and the only difference was lines about cache settings missing in my ~/.kde whereas present in the other user's ~/.kde
[16:26] <Kryczek> so I unchecked "use cache" in Konqueror's Settings panel
[16:26] <Kryczek> curiously it added those lines in the kio_httprc
[16:26] <Kryczek> and now it works o_O
[16:27] <Kryczek> ScottK2: smarter: thanks a lot :)
[16:28] <smarter> Kryczek: if it's a reproducible issue, consider reporting the bug
[16:29] <Kryczek> sure.. but do i need to create an account on launchpad again? i always forget the password :(
[16:30] <smarter> launchpad can mail you your password if you forgot it iirc
[16:55] <seaLne> how do i tell kded stuff via dcop?
[16:55] <fdoving> what do you want to tell it?
[16:55] <smarter> dcop kded [tab]
[16:55] <fdoving> or use kdcop to browse
[16:55] <seaLne> ta
[16:56] <seaLne> hmm ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[16:57] <fdoving> it is kde3, right?
[16:57] <seaLne> yeah, hmm stupid ssh
[16:58] <fdoving> ah, then you need to fix the environment.
[16:59] <seezer> seaLne: try `export DISPLAY=:0.0` or something
[17:00] <nareshov> Is it okay to delete the build dir ( I compiled KDE4 from trunk) ?
[17:03] <fdoving> nareshov: yes, if you don'
[17:03] <fdoving> t plan to recompile it soon it's safe after you've ran 'make install'
[17:04] <fdoving> seezer: DCOPSERVER is also needed iirc.
[17:04] <nareshov> ok
[17:06] <seezer> fdoving: i only correct the display - worked for years :) but perhaps that differs from setup to setup.
[17:07] <fdoving> you won't get access to the correct DCOP server that way.
[17:08] <seezer> if multiple dcop servers are running?
[17:09] <seezer> in general that worked for me (connecting to 'desktops') running one X11 and one single KDE session
[17:13] <seaLne> bah this is confusing having 3 different pendrives plugged in
[17:15] <Kryczek> smarter: reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/208872  :)
[17:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208872 in kdelibs "Missing lines in kio_httprc break all HTTP support in KDE" [Undecided,New]
[17:17] <fdoving> bbl.
[17:45] <ryanakca> aaah... 55.4% CPU for xorg... hmm...
[18:32] <seaLne> is mounting things via konq/d3lphin done via hal?
[18:36] <ryanakca> Did we want a "Press room" view like u.c or did we want an "Archive" / posts per month (like on a blog) item?
[19:11] <T0m4rn0ld> hellos, i need some help i guess ..  i really want to extend konqueror but im a total newb and i think i will need a bit of help. i compiled kde4 from svn and it works. but understanding the konqueror code seems quite hard .. what should i read or do?
[19:12] <seaLne> you might be better asking in #kde-devel
[19:13] <T0m4rn0ld> ok
[19:13] <T0m4rn0ld> thank you
[19:14] <NamShub> "extend konqueror"?
[19:27] <T0m4rn0ld> yes, like firefox plugins
[19:28] <T0m4rn0ld> mostly web stuff
[19:32]  * smarter would like a "full fullscreen"(firefox extension)-like for Konqueror (:
[19:32] <NamShub> what do you want to do exactly?
[19:33] <smarter> fullscreen without buttons tabs, scrollbars or anything, very useful on small devices
[19:34] <NamShub> smarter: it works here
[19:34] <NamShub> ctrl+m, then F11
[19:35] <smarter> NamShub: you still have the buttons, the tabs and and the scrollbars
[19:36] <NamShub> thats right i still see the scrollbar
[19:36] <NamShub> sorry
[19:41] <fdoving> smarter: you can atleast hide the statusbar with ViewT0_ShowStatusBar=false in the profile-rc.
[19:41] <T0m4rn0ld> i just wanna port some FF extentions i am used to
[19:41] <fdoving> not sure how one can hide the scrollbar.
[19:41] <T0m4rn0ld> like "How´d I get here" or "Reload/Stop"
[19:42] <smarter> fdoving: thanks for the tip
[19:42] <smarter> T0m4rn0ld: Reload/Stop?
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> Reload and Stop in one button
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> like Safari
[19:43] <smarter> Konqueror in Kubuntu already do it
[19:43] <fdoving> doesn't konqueror in kde3 have that in kubuntu?
[19:43] <smarter> yes (:
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> not the kde4 one tho
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> i tried the newest beta
[19:44] <smarter> yes, konq3
[19:44] <NamShub> konq4 got 2 buttons
[19:45] <smarter> you might want to look at debian/patches/kubuntu_84_konqueror_stop_reload_button.diff in the kdebase package sources
[19:45] <smarter> shouldn't be too hard to port to kde4
[19:46] <NamShub> T0m4rn0ld: if you want to help with a greasemonkey-like extensions though, you are more than welcome to look at svn playground/utils/khtml_userscript
[19:47] <NamShub> its at proof-of-concept stage right now
[19:47] <NamShub> it works, but theres no security models and its not GM-compatible
[19:47] <Tonio_> Nightrose: osd in konversation is not from me :)
[19:48] <T0m4rn0ld> NamShub: cool
[19:48] <T0m4rn0ld> GM is very powerfull
[19:48] <NamShub> well it is GM-compatible, but theres no re-implementation of the various GM_* functions, and theres no cross-site XHR support
[19:49] <NamShub> basically, it means it only executes js script right now :P\
[19:49] <T0m4rn0ld> that is a start :)
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> but my problem seems to be that i am not really a C++ and QT coder .. is there a good indepth tutorial/book for QT/KDE4 somewhere
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> i dont wanna annoy people in IRC all day :P
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> i can code in C
[19:53] <smarter> T0m4rn0ld: Qt: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Prentice-Source-Software-Development/dp/0132354160/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206820398&sr=8-1
[19:53] <smarter> with introduction to C++ to C or Java coders
[19:55] <Tonio_> ho you mean for konversation in kde4 ? then yes, that's me :)
[19:56] <smarter> konversation has been ported to kde4?
[19:56] <T0m4rn0ld> smarter: thank you
[20:03] <allee> Tonio_: hi, in my ppa there digikam 0.9.2-2ubuntu1(~ppa1)  without --enable-debug=full.  Would be nice if it find it's way into hardy.
[20:04] <Tonio_> allee: oki :)
[20:04] <Tonio_> allee: will do taht tomorrow
[20:05] <allee> Tonio_: thx
[21:04] <paddy-2k> hi is there a bug in the 8.04 kde4 remix alternative cd installer?
[21:06] <jussi01> paddy-2k: probably lots of them... what exactly are you talking about?
[21:07] <paddy-2k> lol. i just tried to install it in Virtualbox and has been sitting on 34% of installing the base system for the past 15 mins
[21:10] <paddy-2k> where could I submit a bug? is it launch pad?
[21:13] <jussi01> !bug
[21:13] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:26] <ryanakca> jpatrick: ping, would you be interested in testing links on the testsite?
[21:26] <jpatrick> ryanakca: hey
[21:27] <jpatrick> ryanakca: same place?
[21:27] <ryanakca> Yep
[21:27] <jpatrick> pm?
[21:41] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I see you went to the Debian channel in the end
[21:41] <apachelogger> yeah, just to keep track how often I get named a foulish ubuntu dude :P
[21:42] <jpatrick> nixternal: 49? I'm going at about 23...
[21:43] <jpatrick> apachelogger: "ubuntu = debian + more bugs" to them
[21:43] <apachelogger> I really like a good attitude
[21:43] <apachelogger> talking about that
[21:43] <apachelogger> kubuntu = amarok + more bugs
[21:44] <apachelogger> I am still not certain I repaired all issues caused by the luks patch
[21:51] <_StefanS_> evenig
[21:51] <_StefanS_> oh my gt5 is just freaking amazing..
[22:18] <jpatrick> interesting quit message..
[22:19] <jpatrick> and hi robotgeek
[22:19] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick
[22:19] <robotgeek> jpatrick: long time :)
[22:20] <jpatrick> robotgeek: I was thinking the same thing :)
[22:21] <robotgeek> i need to get on the kde4 development bandwagon :)
[22:21]  * robotgeek needs to quit being so lazy!
[23:14] <Nightrose> Tonio_: ;-) yea I ment the Konversation OSD in KDE 4