[00:00] <Jucato> dunno. never seen it. and the Dolphin on KDE 3 (D3lphin) is limited and broken
[00:00] <BunnyRevolution> vistalite: add an engine
[00:01] <vistalite> BunnyRevolution:  engine?
[00:01] <BunnyRevolution> nm, i forgot what channel i was in and was not being nice
[00:01] <hellhound> is there a way to create a keyboard shortcut for the running processes like it shows in ksysguard?  I tried setting it to alt-ctrl-delete but it states that it could not run kdesu
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> hellhound: ctrl+esc ?
[00:02] <nosrednaekim> hellhound: ctrl+esc
[00:03] <hellhound> Odd-rationale: it brings up my kde start menu
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> hellhound: hmm strange...
[00:03] <JohnFlux> hellhound: kde3?
[00:04] <hellhound> JohnFlux: yes i believe so kubuntu 7.10
[00:04] <JohnFlux> hellhound: hmm, dunno ;-)
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> JohnFlux: ctrl+esc works for you?
[00:05] <SlimeyPete> hellhound: ctrl+esc should already do it
[00:05] <JohnFlux> Odd-rationale: works for me
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> works for me too
[00:06] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+esc has always worked for me
[00:06] <Jucato> hellhound: using Compiz or something?
[00:06] <hellhound> Jucato: yes i am
[00:06] <Jucato> there you have it folks :)
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> ah. no wonder...
[00:06] <hellhound> hummm opk?
[00:06] <kdedev> boo
[00:07] <kdedev> someone say hi
[00:07] <Jucato> hellhound: Compiz overrirdes KDE's/KWin's default shortcuts. so if some KDE shortcuts don't work, you know who's the culprit
[00:07] <Jucato> kdedev: hm?
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> someone needs to come up with a kompiz - compiz-fusion for kde. Or make kwin capabel of the cube effect... :)
[00:07] <kdedev> Jucato: it's johflux.  i'm fighting with recordmydesktop
[00:08] <Jucato> kdedev: hahaha
[00:08] <hellhound> Odd-rationale: i completely agree... i love the program but almost everything is affected by it
[00:08] <kdedev> it keeps crashing :(
[00:08] <Jucato> Odd-rationale: someone just needs to write the plugin for KWin
[00:08] <Jucato> (just like that coverflow-like plugin or somethign)
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> Jucato: I wonder how long it would take for someone to do that...
[00:09] <Jucato> depends I guess... on motivation, free time, etc...
[00:09]  * Jucato doesn't mind... likes the "Desktop Wall" (Present Desktops?) effect better
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> Jucato: on kde4?
[00:10] <Jucato> yeah
[00:10] <kdedev> yep
[00:10] <Jucato> to me it's fancy yet more functional than a <insert polygon here>
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> there is a coverflow plugin for 4.1
[00:11] <Odd-rationale> I can't wait till kde4 is stable enough for me... I tried it, i tried to like 4.0...
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> for the current windows
[00:11] <Jucato> it's stable... but there's a difference between stable and "feature complete/parity"
[00:11]  * Jucato boots up his ubuntu laptop... there was an effect he liked...
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> What is the coverflow plugin?
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> you know what coverflow is?
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> nosrednaekim: i think so... :?
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> well, you can do the same thing to your open windows in kde 4.1
[00:15] <Jucato> I maybe wrong... it wasn't cover flow but Flip Switch: http://www.commit-digest.org/issues/2008-01-27/
[00:15] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: unless you know of a separate coverflow plugin
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> yeah... they probably called it that because "coverflow" would infringe on apple
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> its the same thing though :P
[00:17] <Jucato> nah, Trolltech has some coverflow thingy I think
[00:18] <Jucato> ah wait, they call it Picture Flow
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> PictureFlow but that Apaku guy
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> *by
[00:19] <Jucato> Ariya Hidayat
[00:20] <vistalite> Jucato:  you like osx?
[00:20] <Jucato> haven't used it
[00:20] <vistalite> me niether
[00:21] <vistalite> is there a way to boot really fast into xp from kubuntu
[00:21] <vistalite> for when i want to play a game
[00:21] <vistalite> like less than 1 minute would be nice :)
[00:21] <kdedev> :)
[00:22] <vistalite> if only kubuntu had gaming like xp i would never have to use xp ever again
[00:22] <vistalite> but i have an ati card
[00:22] <vistalite> so i am forced
[00:22] <vistalite> to run xp
[00:22] <Daisuke_Ido> not for much longer
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> and no one is forced to use anything
[00:23] <nick_> vistalite:  use cedega
[00:23] <vistalite> what do you mean Daisuke_Ido?
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> you choose to game, which makes using xp your choice :)
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> vistalite, the drivers are getting better for ati cards
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> vistalite: Why not give up your game for freedom? a greater cause :)
[00:23] <vistalite> nick_ i looked into cedega the game i play most pro evolution soccer 6 doesnt run in cedega
[00:23] <Darkrift2> ok, how do i exit X? when i ctrl_alt_backspace it restarts. I need to close X to install my new nvidia drivers :S
[00:23] <nick_> vistalite:  soccer lol yeah i know
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift2, ctrl+ alt+ f1, login there, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift2: "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[00:24] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: ask whether he's using gdm or kdm first :P
[00:24] <Daisuke_Ido> wine's light years ahead of cedega by this point
[00:25] <nick_> what app can open .iso
[00:25] <Jucato> !iso
[00:25] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:27] <billygotshot> how do i burn a cd?
[00:28] <billygotshot> i want to put a .iso on a cd
[00:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !k3b | billygotshot
[00:28] <ubotu> billygotshot: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[00:28] <sourcemaker> I have installed the current hardy beta version... now I have the problem... that the KDE session crashs very often and kdm restarts... is this a known problem?
[00:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll want the option "burn cd image"
[00:28] <Darkrift2> ok, ctrl_alt_f1 kinda didnt work :S
[00:28] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot,  you can right click and select burn image
[00:28] <Darkrift2> i got a black screen for a few minutes with nothing cept a blinking cursor
[00:29] <billygotshot> sorry its a .img. I tried renaming it to .iso to burn it but that did not work
[00:30] <Jucato> sourcemaker: #ubuntu+1 for hardy questions
[00:30] <sourcemaker> Jucato: ok
[00:30] <billygotshot> also whenever i try to install the rpm or whatever (im completely new to this) i get to the point where it asks if i want to continue and i say yes "Y" then it does nothing.
[00:31] <sourcemaker> Jucato: does the kde meta package contains all kde components? (kdebase,kdegames,kdeutiles,kdedevelop...)
[00:31] <Jucato> sourcemaker: yes (if you mean the "kde" metapackage)
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: don't use rpm with kubuntu.
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: use .deb
[00:31] <billygotshot> o ok
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> !rpm
[00:31] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[00:31] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, .debs are easier than windows installation wizards
[00:33] <billygotshot> well I am trying to install nerolinux but it is a .rpm file
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> thats not exactly true.... ubuntu uses dpkg, not RPM
[00:33] <nosrednaekim> !alien
[00:33] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[00:33] <billygotshot> well yeah i cant install the alien package
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> In windows it is like, "I need to buy a separate cd for every software I install?!"
[00:33] <billygotshot> it just stops
[00:34] <Odd-rationale> billygotshot: doesnt nero linux offer .debs or a deb repo?
[00:34] <daiana> #ubuntu-es
[00:35] <nonewmsgs> does linux nero support subchannel data
[00:36] <billygotshot> yes i think it does
[00:39] <billygotshot> can i convert .rpm to .deb?
[00:39] <DarkriftX> ok, killing kdm gives me the blank screen also
[00:39] <DarkriftX> how do i kill X and get a prompt :S
[00:39] <adude> what program can i use to play wma?
[00:40] <nonewmsgs> adude, they should all play wma
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> adude: kaffeine ?
[00:40] <nick__> billygotshot:  www.nero.com
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> adude: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[00:40] <adude> no
[00:40] <nick__> billygotshot:  product nerolinux and he have a .deb there
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> adude: you might need it
[00:41] <adude> where do i get that
[00:41] <nonewmsgs> why are there 3 sets of restricted extras?  is there a difference between ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras and xubuntu....?
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> adude: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> nonewmsgs: yes.
[00:42] <adude> yea i found it
[00:42] <adude> thanks Odd-rationale
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> adude: consider converting it to ogg. Live free!
[00:43] <nonewmsgs> adude, i would not recomend transcoding
[00:43] <adude> do i need a program to convert it to ogg?
[00:43] <nonewmsgs> adude, although ogg is high quality and much more free, there will be a loss of quality
[00:44] <nonewmsgs> adude, for any lossy to lossy transcoding
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> nonewmsgs: True.
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> I have ended up reripping my entirecd collection...
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> this time to flac
[00:45] <billygotshot> alright i downloaded the deb and opened it with the package installer and it is giving me Error: Wrong architexture 'i836'
[00:45] <adude> if i can just play wma i will be fine
[00:45] <billygotshot> and it won't let me install
[00:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i feel like such a retard when dealing with bash
[00:45] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, do a sudo apt-get install k3b and try that
[00:46] <adude> my mp3 player won't play ogg :(
[00:46] <nonewmsgs> adude, that's a common problem too
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> adude: ah. that is a big problem
[00:46] <billygotshot> I already have k3b installed
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> adude: Some day ogg and flac will be the standard! :)
[00:46] <nonewmsgs> you dont like the k3b
[00:46] <billygotshot> How do I burn a .img in k3b then?
[00:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Odd-rationale, keep dreaming :)
[00:47] <adude> i should install linux on my mp3 player :)
[00:47] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, the problem 99% of the time is the upperlowercase doesnt match in the one file
[00:47] <billygotshot> ok?
[00:47] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, there are usually 2 files one small text one and one butn
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs, no, in this case, it's probably a windows game that he got from some torrent, where the yahoo that posted it used clonecd instead of something sensible.
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> which is fine
[00:48] <billygotshot> no its not?
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that works too
[00:48] <billygotshot> its windows xp that i am going to use as a duel boot
[00:48] <billygotshot> for games
[00:48] <billygotshot> instead of playing it through wine
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> so i was close :)
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> but anyway
[00:49] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, in the folder you downloaded it there should be 2 files an img and another one right?
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> in k3b, burn image file.  change the filter to all files
[00:49] <billygotshot> there are 3 files
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> select the img file
[00:49] <billygotshot> ok
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> and k3b is going to complain that it's not an iso9660 image, but it will still do the md5sum
[00:49] <nonewmsgs> Daisuke_Ido, he needs to make sure the ucase is correct.  windows users never do that right
[00:50] <matt123> Hi!
[00:50] <billygotshot> it says could not open the document
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> nonewmsgs, i seriously doubt it in this case.  it's an img, which k3b doesn't like by default
[00:50] <BluesKaj> billygotshot, normally *.img files will burn as ISO's on K3B , not always but if you have RW media , that's the best way to test it. Some times just remnaming the file extension to *.iso works too
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm, try nonewmsgs' suggestion
[00:51] <billygotshot> well i will try renaiming it to .iso
[00:51] <billygotshot> what about the 2 other files though
[00:51] <billygotshot> just leave them?
[00:51] <nonewmsgs> no no
[00:51] <nonewmsgs> one file is the instructions to burn the img
[00:51] <billygotshot> lol If i change the name to .iso it says it seems not to be a usable image
[00:52] <billygotshot> ill try anyways
[00:52] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, what are the file extensions
[00:52] <BluesKaj> billygotshot, try burning as a data file
[00:52] <matt123> just installed hardy kde4 - but the control panel is missing - what package do I need?
[00:53] <artfullylost> Whenever I try to update using adept, it says "failed to update : Perhaps downloads failed or would break commit". Any ideas?
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, cue file
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, open the cue file
[00:53] <billygotshot> it says it is not a valid iso file should i continue anyways
[00:53] <billygotshot> there is a .ccd .sub and .img file
[00:53] <billygotshot> not .cue
[00:53] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, no do not continue.  open the cue file with a text editor
[00:54] <DarkriftX> ctrl-alt-f2 gives same screen
[00:54] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, ccd?
[00:54] <billygotshot> it opens with a text editor
[00:54] <billygotshot> and yes .ccd
[00:54] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, make sure it has the exact uppercase as the img as well as the sub and all file names are identical like that
[00:54] <billygotshot> they are
[00:54] <artfullylost> Also, further to the problem above, afterwords, I get sigbert 6 errors and adept is unusable.
[00:55] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, then select burn image from k3b and selet the cue file
[00:55] <nonewmsgs> ccd
[00:57] <billygotshot> hmm
[00:57] <_myrtille_> artfullylost: I'm no pro either, but did you check your sources.list? Maybe the list is incopmlete/broken?
[00:59] <artfullylost> _myrtille_ : Could be the problem, but I checked all of the sources, and it doesn't explain why I can now only load adept in read-only mode.
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i am completely hosed here...
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> what is wrong with the following?
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> if [ $1 = "-m" ]
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> in bash, shouldn't that check to see if the first argument passed is -m ?
[01:01] <billygotshot> ok
[01:01] <billygotshot> it says it is not a usable image
[01:01] <nonewmsgs> billygotshot, change all the names to something like xp
[01:01] <billygotshot> ok
[01:02] <sl4mm3r> hey..
[01:02] <billygotshot> still says the same thing
[01:03] <sl4mm3r> is there  a simple graphics program like paint.. where cutting/pasting certain parts of the image is fairlyeasy
[01:03] <DarkriftX> what package contains agetty?
[01:03] <DarkriftX> google isnt much help righ tnow
[01:03] <billygotshot> should i change the .img to .iso
[01:03] <billygotshot> ?
[01:03] <sl4mm3r> i've tried krita and gimp.. and i can't seem to cut and paste properly .. i don't feel like using layers for each "object" ..since i am cutting and pasting different parts of objects quite frequently
[01:03] <_myrtille_> artfullylost: ok... i just took a long shot. ;) You know aptitude /apt-get ? Are they returning the same errormessage?
[01:04] <_myrtille_> if not try running sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <sl4mm3r> also gimps mouse over help toolboxes aren't display text.. any ideas?
[01:07] <billygotshot> how do i install a .deb file........
[01:07] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, got THAT fixed, is it proper to use nested ifs in bash?
[01:07] <ForgeAus> Daisuke sure
[01:08] <ForgeAus> you see it in scripts all the time
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: I don't see why you shouldn't be able to
[01:08] <ForgeAus> nested ifs/cases and so on
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i wasn't sure
[01:08] <ForgeAus> join #Bash
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i know it works, just didn't know if it was proper form :D
[01:08] <ForgeAus> oops forgot the /
[01:08] <sl4mm3r> billygotshot: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[01:09] <sl4mm3r> or right click install with gdeb-manager or whatnot
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i just threw together a quick and dirty script for mounting ISOs for the terminally challenged.
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> terminally challanged
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> hahaha
[01:10] <ForgeAus> rofl :)
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> )e_
[01:10] <jcgkffycs> what is the marker to add to an fstab entry to mount it as read only?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: nice:)
[01:10] <ForgeAus> terminally challenged sounds like me :)
[01:10] <sl4mm3r> i am artistically challanged... :(  how do i cut and paste selected areas of my graphics
[01:11] <sl4mm3r> i am just challenged.. sigh
[01:11] <ForgeAus> (as in I generally take the GUI option if one I know of is available)
[01:11] <vit> hello
[01:11] <billygotshot> i feel like a idiot now.. I just realized i downloaded a 32bit nerolinux when i am using a 64bit system
[01:11] <ForgeAus> hey vit :)
[01:12] <ForgeAus> billygotshot it should work
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61432/
[01:12] <billygotshot> but it doesnt
[01:12] <billygotshot> so ill try the 64 bit
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it *works* but when mounting (and the mountpoint doesn't exist) it gives the following error:
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> [: 31: iso: unexpected operator
[01:12] <ForgeAus> most 32 bit stuff works in a 64bit environment, there is, or at least was, some kinda trouble with adobe flash, but other than that most stuff works
[01:12] <milian-laptop> nabend
[01:13] <vit> alguien que hable español
[01:13] <ForgeAus> but then yeah if theres a 64-bit option available your probably better to go with it
[01:13] <billygotshot> key word is most there =\
[01:13] <_myrtille_> !es
[01:13] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim, can i convince you to take a quick look at that paste and tell me what i'm screwing up?
[01:13] <billygotshot> see now it works fine :)
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: I don't know BASH
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> too bad intelikey isn't here
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> well, feel free to steal and use it :F
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> :D even
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> it does work
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: watch the language here ;)
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> just that one little pesky error
[01:15] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, which error?
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> i use steal in a colloquial sense, it's GPL, though it doesn't say that yet
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> [: 31: iso: unexpected operator
[01:16] <billygotshot> could i rename a .img file to .iso and burn it?
[01:16] <sl4mm3r> am i missing a package..  the toolbox help text isn't displaying
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> billygotshot, in theory
[01:16] <sl4mm3r> mouse over
[01:16] <billygotshot> So there is a slight possibility of it not working?
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> NickPresta, or can you see perhaps a more elegant way of doing that?
[01:20] <MilitantPotato> Can you burn the Live CD to a DVD?
[01:21] <adude> when i get into adept installer is says a process is using the system packaging database how can get past that
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix | adude
[01:21] <ubotu> adude: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:22] <MilitantPotato> Can the live CD be used if it's burned to a DVD?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: I think so
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't see why not
[01:22] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, hmm. I don't get any error(s) when I mount/unmount. I removed the sudo commands from the script and executed the script with sudo directly (You can check the uid before hand and alert the user to use sudo if you wish).
[01:22] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll let the guy know
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> no errors when you mount (and the mountpoint doesn't exist)?
[01:23] <TOMX> Hellooo
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> now i just have to figure out how to check UID :D
[01:24] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.ca/961640
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[01:25] <TOMX> I seem to be having a problem with Kubuntu.. I'm trying to launch applications like firefox..Window Wireless Drivers and it they just close :s
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> -u doesn't need an additional parameter though, it just unmounts /media/iso
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> but thanks
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe something's just screwed on my end
[01:26] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479255
[01:26] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, I have /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash instead of dash. That may be the difference?
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm, i don't know if i ever changed mine
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> /usr/bin/imount: line 10: [: =: unary operator expected
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> changing to bash gives me at least a more useful error
[01:29] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, http://pastebin.ca/961645 runs fine here.
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> that's two copies nested :)
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> but i see what you mean
[01:31] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, try running: `sudo bash -x mountiso -m ISO.iso` and `sudo bash -x mountiso -u` to see what is going on and where/why it fails
[01:33] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[01:33] <dthacker> Hi.  I have a new IDE hard drive attached via a USB enclosure.  I've created one linux partition on the new drive, and I'd like to format it for ext3, but parted says it doesn't support it.  How should I accomplish the format?
[01:34] <siso> I have a video related question as well (sort of)...libdvdcss is not showing up in my Adept file list...any idea what that's all about?
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> http://pastebin.ca/961652 < output
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like it's fine
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> removing sudo and putting in a uid check worked brilliantly
[01:36] <siso> ??
[01:36] <tomahasamoot> I've just installed, and updated kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, and kdesu isn't working... if I want to use adept_manager, or systemsettings, I have to run them with sudo from a terminal... I tried reinstalling kdesudo, but it didn't help
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> NickPresta, i appreciate your help on this.  i think i can call this my first real script (the one this replaces were three and two liners that depended on the mount point being there in the first place)
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> !medibuntu | siso
[01:37] <ubotu> siso: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[01:37] <siso> ok yeah, I know about that....I forgot that when I installed feisty over dapper that I didn't put medibuntu back in my repositories
[01:38] <siso> thanks daisuke
[01:38] <dthacker> !+1
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <dthacker> tomahasamoot: try #ubuntu+1 for hardy support.
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> siso, you're welcome
[01:40] <DarkriftX> ok
[01:40] <DarkriftX> there MUST be a way to kill x and not lock up
[01:40] <DarkriftX> nobody here knows how to kill X and get a prompt in kubuntu 7.10?
[01:41] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX:  ctrl + F1
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkriftX: you can boot recovery mode
[01:41] <DarkriftX> that gives me a black screen with nothing
[01:41] <DarkriftX> recovery mode wont let me install nvidia drivers, needs run level 3
[01:41] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: it has always given me a prompt
[01:41] <billygotshot> anyone know why the burn process stopped at 99%?
[01:42] <DarkriftX> i get a black screen with a flashing cursor, no prompt and typing doesnt show any text. only way out of it is ctrl-alt-del
[01:42] <rom> hi
[01:42] <jmichaelx> this is odd, my internet appears to be down, but i am still able to chat in here
[01:42] <DarkriftX> jmichaelx, i was getting that for over a month in vista
[01:42] <alexis_> hola alguien de argentina?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX, ctrl+alt+2 the?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> then*
[01:43] <DarkriftX> http was down, but all other internet access worked fine
[01:43] <jmichaelx> funny
[01:43] <DarkriftX> http/ftp were down*
[01:43] <DarkriftX> with all browsers
[01:43] <DarkriftX> i either had to reboot, or wait about an hour for it to fix itself
[01:43] <rom> since ksynaptic has been removed from repositories, what software can I use for configuring my touchpad?
[01:43] <jmichaelx> yeah, i just tried opera and FF
[01:43] <DarkriftX> tried that also Daisuke_Ido
[01:43] <jmichaelx> hmm, i dunno if i have to reboot or what
[01:43] <DarkriftX> jmichaelx, when it was like that, if i tried to connect to a NEW irc server, id get dns errors about sockets in use
[01:44] <DarkriftX> maybe that will help you :)
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ty
[01:44] <jmichaelx> ok http is working again
[01:44] <DarkriftX> heh
[01:44] <jmichaelx> i think it's just the FBI watching me
[01:44]  * DarkriftX quits fast (lol)
[01:44] <aobo> Hi guys how do I install nvidia driver for kubuntu?
[01:45] <jmichaelx> well, that is just one of the more exciting possibilities
[01:45] <aobo> and how do i see which bit am i using? 32bit or 64bit
[01:45] <DarkriftX> aobo, download it from nvidia's site then run it (you have to kill X, which im unable to do)
[01:45] <aobo> kill X?
[01:45] <DarkriftX> heh
[01:45] <DarkriftX> yeah, dont ask how
[01:45] <DarkriftX> the drivers wont install with X running
[01:45] <aobo> whats Kill X
[01:45] <rom> since ksynaptic has been removed from repositories, what software can I use for configuring my touchpad?
[01:45] <DarkriftX> wow
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> well of course.  everyone knows that open source software leads to the Big T
[01:45] <DarkriftX> X is your gui
[01:46] <jmichaelx> have either of you ever considered using 'envy'? that's what i did
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !envy
[01:46] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[01:46] <DarkriftX> be carefull
[01:46] <siso> Darkrift, the other guy up there meant ctrl+alt+F1 to get to the terminal, I think
[01:46] <siso> But I don't think that actually kills X
[01:46] <DarkriftX> i know siso  ive tried that
[01:46] <siso> ok...just making sure
[01:46] <jmichaelx> ctrl-alt-F1, yes.... and it does kill X
[01:46] <aobo> im lost. so what do i do
[01:46] <DarkriftX> it gives me a black screen with flashing cursor and nothing works except ctrl-alt-del
[01:46] <siso> oh does it?
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> jmichaelx, dropping to a TTY doesn't kill x
[01:46] <jmichaelx> it is supposed to kill X
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: ok, gotcha
[01:47] <siso> thanks daisuke....I'm not crazy then
[01:47] <matt__> you know how konsole (yakuake, etc) keep a log of the commands you run? How can I disable this? As well as (perhaps) disabling (all?) loggin of such stuff. for like, security reasons
[01:47] <DarkriftX> it doesnt even give me a prompt
[01:47] <siso> yay!!!
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> you can ctrl+alt+f7 to get right back in :)
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: ty for the correction
[01:47] <siso> right :)
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> no worries :)
[01:47] <DarkriftX> aobo, im trying to figure that out also
[01:48] <DarkriftX> ive downloaded the installer, but im unable to "close" (kill) X (the gui)
[01:48] <aobo> okay.
[01:48] <DarkriftX> which is required to install the drivers
[01:48] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: when kdm starts, can't you just choose a terminal session?
[01:48] <aobo> im trying adept manager right now
[01:48] <DarkriftX> you can use the ones that are built in, but ive never gotten those to work
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it still starts the x server
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX, "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" doesn't do it for you?
[01:49] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: i guess my mind is just not in gear, i have installed nvidia and ati drivers many, many time
[01:49] <jmichaelx> times*
[01:49] <DarkriftX> to try the default ones, go to Kmenu>system settings>Advanced tab>restricted drivers and enable the nvidia drivers
[01:49] <DarkriftX> but be warned
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> jmichaelx, i just install them from the repos
[01:49] <DarkriftX> it NEVER works for me
[01:49] <robinson> test
[01:49] <DarkriftX> and Daisuke_Ido that didnt work for me either
[01:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never had an issue with the nvidia drivers in the RDM
[01:50] <DarkriftX> gave me same result
[01:50] <aobo> okay i wish this is just like windows XP . install drivers and it will override the default one
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> wow...
[01:50] <DarkriftX> im glad to hear this isnt default behavior
[01:50] <aobo> im in Adept Manager. and typed in nvidia and cameup with lots
[01:50] <DarkriftX> so i have something messed up
[01:50] <DarkriftX> what could cause me not to be able to change tty
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ohhhh
[01:51] <jmichaelx> i use several different distros, and have usually had no problems with getting nvidia drivers installed. i usually just get the driver from the nvidia site.
[01:51] <DarkriftX> the ones on the website worked for me before
[01:51] <jmichaelx> i'm pretty sure i just ctrl-alt-f1 to do the dirty work
[01:51] <DarkriftX> but ive tried the built in ones about 5x now
[01:51] <tomahasamoot> dthacker: thanx
[01:52] <DarkriftX> they always leave me at a black screen unable to login and i have to change back to nv
[01:52] <leo_rockw> hello #kubuntu
[01:52] <jmichaelx> hmm
[01:52] <aobo> how do i see which nvidia card i have?
[01:52] <aobo> like hardware info.
[01:52] <DarkriftX> i dont know how i got the drivers from the site working last time
[01:52] <jmichaelx> type 'lspci'
[01:52] <aobo> okay
[01:52] <DarkriftX> im sure this problem im having getting to a different tty must be a new problem
[01:52] <aobo> thanks jmichaelx
[01:53] <jmichaelx> aobo: np
[01:53] <aobo>  VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP                               8x]
[01:53] <aobo> do i just go find the driver on the official website now?
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, you want nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> from the repos
[01:54] <matt__> you know how konsole (yakuake, etc) keep a log of the commands you run? How can I disable this? As well as (perhaps) disabling (all?) loggin of such stuff. for like, security reasons
[01:54] <aobo> cool thanks
[01:54] <aobo> here goes. waiting for it to install
[01:54] <jmichaelx> i think i have a PC with that card, but PCI instead of PCI
[01:54] <aobo> :S
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> matt__: yeah.... you can disable bash history
[01:54] <jmichaelx> instead of AGP*
[01:54] <aobo> i have XP running
[01:55] <aobo> its PCI card
[01:55] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:55] <aobo> dual OS
[01:55] <jmichaelx> i have vectorlinux on that old box
[01:55] <prince_jammys> matt__: it's not Konsole that does this. it's bash
[01:55] <aobo> now what do i do?
[01:55] <aobo> got the glx-legacy in
[01:55] <jmichaelx> aobo: just apt-get install it
[01:56] <aobo> i did
[01:56] <jmichaelx> restart x
[01:56] <aobo> oh
[01:56] <aobo> restart x or restart the whole computer?
[01:56] <aobo> and whats x again?
[01:56] <jmichaelx> aobo: you should just be able to restart X, ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:57] <aobo> honestly i dont see any difference
[01:57] <aobo> :S
[01:58] <jmichaelx> aobo: you may need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:58] <aobo> i went in system settings in k menu and monitor and display and the card is still not in the list
[01:58] <jmichaelx> you should at least have accel. 3D if the driver is working
[01:58] <aobo> hmmm
[01:58] <aobo> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:58] <jmichaelx> yep
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, glkinfo | grep direct
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, glxinfo | grep direct
[01:59] <aobo> ?
[01:59] <aobo> :S
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> change the k to an x, i can't type
[01:59] <adude> what program can i use for remote desktop connection
[01:59] <leo_rockw> adude: krdc
[02:00] <aobo> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[02:00] <leo_rockw> adude: k remote desktop connection :-P
[02:00] <aobo> thats with the glxinfo | grep direct
[02:00] <adude> but i can't connect using a ip address
[02:01] <aobo> Ok im stuck michael
[02:01] <leo_rockw> adude: you should
[02:01] <aobo> do i type your command in konsole?
[02:02] <leo_rockw> adude: type rdp:/ before the ip
[02:02] <aobo> it came up with /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root
[02:02] <aobo> der. need sudo in front of it.
[02:02] <aobo> sorry
[02:03] <jmichaelx> aobo: yes, sudo
[02:03] <DarkriftX> ok, google is showing me that lots of other users are having problems switching to tty's but no apparent fixes that apply to me
[02:04] <jmichaelx> aobo: it seems to me the last time i used that legacy driver with that card, i had to manually add a line to xorg.conf
[02:04] <DarkriftX> im not even using nvidia drivers yet, still using nv (most users get this error BECAUSE they have nvidia drivers and nv is the fix for them(
[02:04] <jmichaelx> i am not sure about that lol
[02:04] <aobo> im stuck on the command
[02:05] <aobo> i typed in the identifier for the gfx card
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i certainly wouldn't say most
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> some, perhaps
[02:05] <aobo> and now im stuck
[02:05] <DarkriftX> most of the ones i read
[02:05] <DarkriftX> i read the first 7 links from google
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you're aware that the people whining on forums are not a majority, right?
[02:05] <DarkriftX> every one of them had nvidia users sayin ghtat, some had riva users saying they had same problem
[02:05] <DarkriftX> of course
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> people don't post on forums just to say "hi, just wanted to let you know everything's working GREAT!"
[02:06] <DarkriftX> but of the ones i read, MOST applies
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[02:06] <DarkriftX> i was saying of the results i got, most were nvidia related and thier fixes dont apply to me
[02:07] <DarkriftX> i wonder
[02:07] <DarkriftX> if i boot to the recovery mode, and rename kdm, then try to change the runlevel to 3, would that possibly work?
[02:08] <jmichaelx> i enter 'geforce4 mx 440' in the search in UF, and it says it doesn't find anything
[02:08] <aobo> okay here we go
[02:08] <DarkriftX> gl aobo
[02:08] <aobo> i finished the blue screeen set up
[02:09] <aobo> now what?
[02:09] <aobo> it doesnt seem to work
[02:09] <hydrogen> !services
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about services - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <hydrogen> doh
[02:09] <aobo> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> aobo: did it allow you to select the nvidia driver?
[02:09] <aobo> errr.... hmmmm
[02:10] <aobo> i guess so
[02:10] <aobo> :S
[02:10] <nejode> nvidia-glx-legacy is for TNT's, Riva's and the likes....
[02:10] <nick__> how to enable sli in kubuntu ?
[02:10] <nejode> nvidia-glx is for cards up to MX's
[02:11] <aobo> okay
[02:11] <nick__> ok so is already enable ?
[02:11] <nick__> nvm lol
[02:11] <aobo> not for 64MB PCI?
[02:11] <jmichaelx> nejode: are you sure about that?
[02:11] <aobo> :S
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, that's right, new is for fx and up
[02:11] <nejode> ...and nvidia-glx-new is for FX's upwards
[02:11] <aobo> i shall wait till the discussion is done
[02:11] <nejode> sure man...
[02:11] <Daisuke_Ido> so just nvidia-glx for you, aobo
[02:12] <aobo> ah that was quick
[02:12] <jmichaelx> yep, just try it, it couldn't hurt... although i am fairly certain i used the legacy driver with that card.
[02:12] <aobo> thanks guys. time to try again
[02:12] <nejode> I have a MX-4000 and it uses nvidia-glx
[02:12] <aobo> i mean my card is teh worst in the range.
[02:12] <jmichaelx> nejode: could this have all changed at some point?
[02:12] <aobo> something like legacy doesnt apply
[02:13] <nejode> aobo: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i have to chuckle at the mx 4000
[02:13] <aobo> i did in adpet manager.
[02:13] <aobo> waiting for it now
[02:13] <nejode> ...sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[02:13] <nick__> someone can help me for sli nvidia ?
[02:13] <jmichaelx> Daisuke_Ido: why do you chuckle at it?
[02:13] <aobo> *chuckle*
[02:14] <aobo> nejode: what do i do now?
[02:14] <nejode> because it's a lousy card!!!
[02:14] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:14] <jmichaelx> i mostly have lousy cards
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> that was an attempt to market a subpar entry level card and make it sound better than the other gf4 mx's, when in reality it's essentially a gf2 with software shading (from what ive seen)
[02:14] <nejode> aobo: you have to restart so the kernel module loads
[02:15] <aobo> doh again
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i have an mx 440, and mx 4000, and an fx6200-PCI... my best card lol
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> 7600gs - budget card but performs great (for what little i do)
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and i have a gf2mx400 in my geexbox in the living room
[02:15] <nick__> no :(
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i strictly stick to old worn-out hardware...
[02:16] <nejode> now, that's a good old card
[02:16] <oloughlin75> Hmmm.... should I install kubuntu again? Gnome was too slow and I don't feel and im missing some of the things that gnome and kde had that fluxbox is missing
[02:16] <jmichaelx> i do not own a box with a PCI-e port
[02:17] <aobo> hi guys im back again
[02:17] <jmichaelx> aobo: how goes it?
[02:17] <aobo> ummm
[02:18] <nejode> fluxbox is like a F-1: fast but uncomfortable
[02:18] <aobo> i saw a flash of the nvidia sign
[02:18] <nick__> he have a channel for nvidia linux ?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> aobo: that is a good sign
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, then you should be golden
[02:18] <nejode> and???
[02:18] <aobo> and...
[02:18] <aobo> now i have 10 things to update
[02:18] <aobo> according to adept updater
[02:18] <oloughlin75> nejode: I really like how you can "tab" windows
[02:18] <jmichaelx> so you have X?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> that is great
[02:18] <nejode> great!
[02:18] <aobo> whats X
[02:18] <aobo> no really. whats X
[02:19] <DarkriftX> we went over this
[02:19] <DarkriftX> X is your GUI
[02:19] <aobo> i forgot...
[02:19] <NickPresta> !X
[02:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:19] <aobo> oooh
[02:19] <nejode> graphical
[02:19] <aobo> GUI
[02:19] <aobo> cool
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> if you see pretties on the screen, x is working :D
[02:19] <artfullylost_> Adept simply will not function for me.
[02:19] <DarkriftX> you remember windows 95?
[02:19] <jmichaelx> aobo: type 'glxgears' in a terminal
[02:19] <oloughlin75> !adeptfix artfullylost_
[02:19] <DarkriftX> DOS was the OS and Windows was the GUI
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> artfullylost_, it doesn't *function* for anyone
[02:19] <aobo> woooo
[02:19] <aobo> gears!
[02:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i would really recommend synaptic
[02:19] <DarkriftX> thats how linux is... linux is command line, X gives it a gui
[02:20] <artfullylost_> !adeptfix
[02:20] <jmichaelx> they worked?
[02:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[02:20] <aobo> yep worked
[02:20] <Jucato> aobo: what does "glxinfo | grep render" say btw?
[02:20] <nejode> artfullylost: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> but unlike windows, you're not limited to a single gui
[02:20] <DarkriftX> lol, exactly
[02:20] <aobo> af few chokes for the gears but okay i gues
[02:20] <jmichaelx> sweet, you have 3D acceleration now
[02:20] <Jucato> (hm.. well not really... glxgears isn't really a definite test)
[02:20] <nejode> aobo: how many fps?
[02:20] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox for the masochists...
[02:20] <DarkriftX> nor are you forced to reboot every 13 minutes with thier forced reboot screen (also known as a BSOD)
[02:20] <aobo> direct rendering: Yes
[02:20] <aobo> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/PCI/SSE2
[02:20] <Jucato> aobo: now that is the definite test :)
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i would say that yes, you have acceleration.
[02:21] <aobo> fps? how do i tell
[02:21] <aobo> cool thanks guys.
[02:21] <Daisuke_Ido> aobo, no matter, you're good :D
[02:21] <aobo> so many thanks
[02:21] <aobo> hmm
[02:21] <aobo> so i can play brutal chess now?
[02:21] <DarkriftX> now if only i could get MINE working lol
[02:21] <oloughlin75> Does anyone know where firefox stores the search engines?
[02:21] <aobo> whats wrong with yours?
[02:21] <DarkriftX> i cant kill X to install my drivers
[02:22] <aobo> oh
[02:22] <Jucato> DarkriftX: where does Ctrl+Alt+F1 take you?
[02:22] <DarkriftX> i downloaded the drivers from the site
[02:22] <DarkriftX> black screen with a flashing cursor
[02:22] <Jucato> no text login prompt?
[02:22] <DarkriftX> i had to reboot to get otu of it (just learned that ctrl_alt_f7 will return me to X)
[02:22] <DarkriftX> nope
[02:22] <DarkriftX> neither do like 10 different commands ppl told me to try
[02:22] <nejode> aobo: in the konsole under the glxgears you'll get the fps...
[02:22] <DarkriftX> killing kdm gives same thing
[02:22] <Jucato> hm... that's weird...
[02:22] <nick__> mi icone of my desktop is to small how i make my icone more big ?
[02:23] <DarkriftX> some getty command someone had me try also gave same outcome
[02:23] <Jucato> there's something wrong on a deeper level
[02:23] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. any suggestions?
[02:23] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:23] <DarkriftX> thats what i figured
[02:23] <aobo> 900 fps
[02:23] <aobo> well 880 ish
[02:23] <DarkriftX> lol
[02:23] <aobo> direct rendering: Yes
[02:23] <aobo> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/PCI/SSE2
[02:23] <DarkriftX> i bet after 100fps the compute rjust gives you a random number
[02:23] <aobo> oops wrong
[02:23] <DarkriftX> theres no real way to prove that
[02:23] <aobo> 1982 frames in 5.0 seconds = 396.350 FPS
[02:23] <aobo> 4421 frames in 5.0 seconds = 884.152 FPS
[02:23] <aobo> 4155 frames in 5.0 seconds = 830.856 FPS
[02:24] <aobo> :S
[02:24] <Jucato> !paste | aobo
[02:24] <ubotu> aobo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:24] <nejode> for a mx-440 it's ok
[02:24] <aobo> oh.
[02:25] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, check out this page for information: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/03/firefox-search-bar-hacks.html
[02:25] <aobo> its 1857 fps now
[02:25] <aobo> how do i make the icons smaller on the desktop?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: !!! hows it going!!
[02:26] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, check out: /usr/share/firefox/searchplugins/ for the preloaded search plugins.
[02:26] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:26] <nejode> jmichaelx: try installing mplayer or vlc, they'll install again all propietary codecs
[02:26] <DarkriftX> maybe ill try the drivers on the repos again :S
[02:26] <Jucato> nick__, aobo: try System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced tab
[02:26] <jmichaelx> nejode: i have all of that installed
[02:26] <aobo> thanks Jucato
[02:26] <jmichaelx> nejode: before i upgraded to the new kaffeine, .avi's played fine
[02:27] <Jucato> DarkriftX: didn't the nvidia packages work for you?
[02:27] <DarkriftX> they havent in the past
[02:27] <DarkriftX> always locked up when kdm tried to start
[02:27] <DarkriftX> so i always used the ones from the website
[02:27] <DarkriftX> so ill the the packages again
[02:27] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: is your adapter PCI?
[02:27] <DarkriftX> if i can figure out which one to install
[02:27] <DarkriftX> its a laptpo
[02:27] <DarkriftX> and yes, kinda
[02:27] <jmichaelx> ok, nm
[02:28] <bnex10> oh hey DarkriftX
[02:28] <DarkriftX> sup bnex10
[02:28] <bnex10> hey i would love to disable ipv6
[02:28] <nick__> yeah Jucato thanks
[02:29] <artfullylost_> Thank you, oloughlin75.
[02:29] <bnex10> most daemons tend to use ipv6
[02:30] <DarkriftX> how do i tell which nvidia driver i need?
[02:30] <DarkriftX> mines rather new (year old or so) but its a mobile
[02:30] <nejode> nvidia 6150?
[02:30] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:30] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:31] <nejode> nvidia-glx-new
[02:31] <Jucato> !nvidia
[02:31] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:31] <Jucato> there a link to a list there ^^^^
[02:31] <bnex10> i want to use ipv4 for network services
[02:32] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: howdy
[02:32] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: How you been?
[02:32] <bnex10> vnc and ircd will work fine without ipv6 interfering
[02:32] <bnex10> help!
[02:33] <jmichaelx> a while back, i upgraded kaffeine... and when that upgraded, it removed kaffeine-xine. i could play very few videos that way, so i used aptitude to downgrade to the previous version of kaffeine, and re-installed kaffeine-xine... but now, i can no longer play .avi files. even mplayer and vlc will not play .avi's.any suggestions?
[02:33] <rom> hi again
[02:34] <nejode> DarkriftX: install nvidia-glx-new, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and restart
[02:35] <DarkriftX> wish me luck, restarting now
[02:36] <rom> how can I configure my touchpad
[02:36] <rom> on kubuntu?
[02:36] <rom> (enable or disable it)
[02:36] <nejode> jmichaelx: does it spit out any error?
[02:36] <adude> is the kde4 any good?
[02:36] <rom> I used "ksynaptics" but it has been removed from repositories...
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[02:36] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> adude: I like it
[02:36] <jmichaelx> nejode: i will check soon, i am removing --purgin a bunch of stuff and re-installing
[02:36] <Jucato> nejode: afaik the command now is "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[02:37] <adude> did you have any problems with it
[02:37] <Dr_willis> rom,  gsynaptics works decently well with kde. :( but i think the whole synaptics  program is basicially unsupported these days
[02:37] <leo_rockw> adude: kde4 is good, but not ready for daily use, at least for me
[02:37] <rom> but even unsupported, it worked fine
[02:37] <Dr_willis> testing out kde4 now. Its useable.. but missing some bits.. and im getting lots of crashes
[02:37] <rom> it has been removed :(
[02:37] <leo_rockw> bnex10: what's your question?
[02:37] <nejode> Jucato: you're right... uuupppss
[02:37] <Jucato> nejode: :P
[02:37] <adude> i like it. but it has to many problems yet
[02:38] <rom> and there is no other software :(
[02:38] <Dr_willis> rom,  i imagine that gsynaptics will get removed soon also. from what i recall on the synaptics homepage, the thing is gettting obsoleted by a newer project.
[02:38] <Dr_willis> !find gsynaptics
[02:38] <ubotu> Found: sh:
[02:38] <Dr_willis> silly bot.
[02:38] <leo_rockw> !cookie | Dr_willis
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <leo_rockw> boo
[02:38] <rom> what project?
[02:38] <rom> what can I use instead of g/ksynaptics
[02:38] <bnex10> leo_rockw: i need ipv4 enable as default instead of ipv6
[02:38] <leo_rockw> that's what i get for playing w/ ubotu...
[02:38] <DarkriftX> ok, how do i tell if its working ?
[02:38] <Jucato> DarkriftX: if nejode's command didn't work, I think it's supposed to be "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[02:39] <Jucato> DarkriftX: "glxinfo | grep render"
[02:39] <DarkriftX> i got an error about restricted drivers in use
[02:39] <Jucato> and you should have seen the nvidia logo
[02:39] <bnex10> i need 2 differnet deamons to listen on a ipv4 address
[02:39] <DarkriftX> i didnt see nvidia logo
[02:39] <DarkriftX> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce Go 6150/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[02:39] <DarkriftX>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[02:39] <bnex10> not ipv6
[02:39] <leo_rockw> bnex10: sorry, i don't know anything about that.
[02:39] <Dr_willis> rom,  i use gsynaptics for the time being. google for gsynaptics/ksynaptics and see what they suggest. I think its all getting rolled into the normal X configuration stuff mainly. But i just skimmed the homepage a few weeks ago
[02:39] <jmichaelx> nejode: somehow using remove --purge for vlc and and all related files, then re-installing has fixed the problem i was having
[02:39] <Jucato> DarkriftX: is it saying Direct rendering: yes?
[02:39] <nejode> cool!!
[02:39] <DarkriftX> yes
[02:40] <jmichaelx>  :-)
[02:40] <bnex10> the system uses ::ffff:192.168.1.103
[02:40] <Jucato> then you're ok (I guess)
[02:40] <DarkriftX> but the restricted drivers says its not enabled
[02:40] <DarkriftX> says its in use, but not enabled
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i can't imagine what was wrong
[02:40] <DarkriftX> :S
[02:40] <bnex10> but windows cant use that
[02:40] <DarkriftX> make any sense to anyone else?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> rom,  i see a 'tpconfig' in hardy. Not sure if its in the earlier disrtos.
[02:40] <DarkriftX> has a green check mark, but the tick box is empty
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i do not understand why this new kaffeineis in the repos, when there is no corresponding kaffeine-xine
[02:40] <rom> rom@rom-laptop:~$ tpconfig
[02:40] <rom> Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux].rom@rom-laptop:~$
[02:41] <DarkriftX> my refresh rate is lower now... .was 60, now 50
[02:41] <bnex10> hmm.....
[02:41] <DarkriftX> whats another test i can do?
[02:41] <DarkriftX> any apps in the repos that will only run with 3d accel?
[02:42] <nejode> planetpenguin-racer
[02:43] <bnex10> ?
[02:43] <DarkriftX> dling now
[02:43] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: what card do you have?
[02:43] <DarkriftX> 6150 go
[02:43] <jmichaelx> is that an FX?
[02:44] <DarkriftX> dont think so
[02:44] <DarkriftX> * icewaterman (i=CASpyh@unaffiliated/icewaterman) has joined #kubuntu
[02:44] <DarkriftX> oops
[02:44] <DarkriftX> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)
[02:45] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Sometimes when my computer boots up my "networking" service doesn't start up, and I have to manually start it.  Any ideas on why this doesn't work?
[02:46] <rom> in hardy, I can't log in graphically (I enabled auto-login at boot), but if I restart X, I enter my login/pass, and always "incorrect"
[02:46] <rom> while they ARE correct
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> rom: change your password in one of those automatically logged in sessions
[02:46] <jmichaelx> hmm. some of my .avi file still will not work
[02:46] <DarkriftX> ok, that game works
[02:46] <DarkriftX> kinda odd, but decent gfx
[02:46] <DarkriftX> ty guys
[02:47] <DarkriftX> i think last time someone told me to install the legacy drivers
[02:47] <DarkriftX> might be why they have never worked for me
[02:47] <rom> but I don't want to change my password
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> rom: just try it
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> you can change it back
[02:48] <rom> ok
[02:48] <DarkriftX> 2650 fps?????? *WTF*
[02:48] <DarkriftX> 3489
[02:48] <bnex10> lol
[02:48] <bnex10> good for you!
[02:49] <DarkriftX> thats like 100x what a human eye can see
[02:49] <DarkriftX> and on a laptop no less
[02:50] <Dr_willis> cover up the glxgears window with another window.. and watch the fps go waaaaaaaaaaaay up
[02:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:50] <nomopofomo> ok, so, now i've got this menu hanging on the top of my screen and I'm not sure how to disable or how it even got there in the first place...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> DarkriftX: make the window full screen
[02:50] <nejode> DarkriftX: those aren't REAL fps... they're like a reference
[02:50] <Dr_willis> nomopofomo,  you mean a panel with the applications  file/edit/whatever menus?
[02:50] <DarkriftX> i remember the days when we wanted 80fps to be good
[02:51] <nomopofomo> yes
[02:51] <neville> DarkriftX don't get too excited, it's not very accurate real life portrayal of your cards actual performance :P
[02:51] <DarkriftX> id hope not
[02:51] <DarkriftX> even though that was better
[02:51] <DarkriftX> 280
[02:51] <DarkriftX> sounds more real lol
[02:52] <nejode> 80 REAL fps are good!
[02:52] <nomopofomo> Dr_willis: any idea how to get rid of that thing?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> its a kde setting somewhere..
[02:53] <nomopofomo> LOL I know and I can't remember where I was messing with it...
[02:53] <Dr_willis> and im under kde4 right now.. so i cant explore :)
[02:53] <DarkriftX> poor guy
[02:54] <Jucato> nomopofomo: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior
[02:54] <Roey> hola Jucato!
[02:54] <Jucato> Menu Bar at Top of Screen
[02:54] <Jucato> ohayo Roey
[02:54] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[02:55] <Roey> alaska
[02:55] <nomopofomo> You got it!
[02:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> can someone help me. i trying to insert skype but its not working right
[02:55] <Roey> *arraska
[02:57] <rom> hi again
[02:57] <rom> when I launch compiz, often some icons in systray are "detached"
[02:57] <rom> from the systray
[02:57] <rom> which is very annoying
[02:58] <Jucato> they might know in #compiz-fusion
[02:58] <vistalite> Jucato:  :O
[02:58] <jmichaelx> ok, now i can play many .avi's , but many others still will not play
[02:58] <vistalite> i got paltalk running on Kubuntu what an awfull app :(
[02:58] <vistalite> i am traumatized now
[02:58] <bnex10> i got no graphics card
[02:59] <vistalite> i got no life
[02:59] <jmichaelx> what does an error lke this mean: 10:59:10 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/media/sda1/The Last Shah - Iran History BBC Documentary (Ben Kingsley Narration).avi<
[02:59] <vistalite> want to trade bnex10
[02:59] <vistalite> :)
[02:59] <leo_rockw> hey, what's the command to find out which shell i'm using?
[02:59] <neville> jmichaelx Have you tried VLC/
[02:59] <jmichaelx> neville: yes. all of these files used to play just fine...
[02:59] <Jucato> leo_rockw: try "echo $SHELL" ?
[03:00] <bnex10> vistalite: a graphics card for nothing?
[03:00] <bnex10> lol
[03:00] <leo_rockw> Jucato: thank you! someone asked this in #ubuntu, and i couldn't remember it.
[03:00] <vistalite> lol
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> i need to talk to someone who uses linux
[03:01] <bnex10> we all do
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> srry i ment to sa kubuntu
[03:01] <bnex10> same
[03:01] <Alucard_Hellsing> version 7.10
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be all of us
[03:02] <Alucard_Hellsing> i just downloaded skype and the package inserter quits before it finshes
[03:03] <bnex10> eeh?
[03:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> i dont need skype specificaly but i do need a free voip
[03:03] <bnex10> try again one time?
[03:03] <Alucard_Hellsing> iv tried 3 times
[03:03] <leo_rockw> Alucard_Hellsing: ekiga, openwengo
[03:03] <bnex10> o
[03:04] <bnex10> well
[03:04] <nomopofomo> What's a good newsreader for KDE?
[03:04]  * bnex10 gets someone else
[03:04] <bnex10> *ahem*
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you actually want to READ or download binaries?
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> because that's two different answers -_-
[03:05] <bnex10> lol
[03:05] <nomopofomo> download binaries
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> klibido
[03:05] <nomopofomo> argh, isn't there anything more up to date?
[03:05] <nomopofomo> i really like pan but i hate that it's GTK
[03:05] <Alucard_Hellsing> thx
[03:05] <bnex10> what about read?
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> for reading, knode
[03:06] <jmichaelx> !divx
[03:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> nomopofomo, klibido might be a touch behind, but it supports uuencoding and yenc, is stable, and is fast, i fail to see a problem :)
[03:06] <nomopofomo> hm... i will give it another shot.
[03:06] <jmichaelx> lmao, i get a segfault when trying to open that first link with konqueror
[03:11] <jmichaelx> what the heck is 'demux'?
[03:12] <Roey> dmultiplexer
[03:12] <Roey> *demultiplexer
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> splits the audio and video into separate streams
[03:12] <jmichaelx> ok, i keep getting an error relating to 'demux'  for a number of video files that used to play just fine
[03:14] <jmichaelx> i have been trying to straighten this out for days. these problems all started when i tried to upgrade to the new kaffeine
[03:14] <nomopofomo> where do i go to change the default web browser in KDE?
[03:15] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: alt + f2, kcontrol, everything is there
[03:15] <jmichaelx> i have just not gotten along with gutsy at all
[03:16] <nomopofomo> alt + f2 brings up run command
[03:16] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: kcontrol
[03:17] <nomopofomo> that's what i just did :D
[03:17] <leo_rockw> nomopofomo: anything you want to change, adjust or modify in kde is there
[03:18] <kadam> not kde4 tho 8)
[03:19] <jmichaelx> i do not get this demux crap, lol. these files had worked fine.
[03:20] <Alucard_Hellsing> ekiga does not make calls to real phones and openwengo is for gnu linux
[03:20] <rom> I would like to add SHMConfig "on" in my xorg.conf
[03:20] <rom> for enabling touchpad configuration
[03:20] <rom> but... where?
[03:20] <rom> http://pastebin.com/m2d2f174f
[03:21] <rom> ...?
[03:24] <Roey> hey all
[03:24] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[03:30] <Dr_willis> it should work.. unless its so new - that you need newer drivers..
[03:30] <Dr_willis> in which case you might need to update your alsa..  Or wait to see if the next release has them allready in there.
[03:34] <DarkriftX> !compiz
[03:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:38] <Alucard_Hellsing> leo_rockw i have a voipstunt account but how do i use it with ekiga
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> are there plans to have compbiz with hardy kubuntu
[03:45] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu#head-24ebfb941cf6a8559753deca601a9b898eca619c
[03:46] <leo_rockw> nonewmsgs: kwin for kde4 has its own compositing, so idk if compiz for kubuntu is a good idea.
[03:47] <leo_rockw> nonewmsgs: but, to answer your question, i don't know if there are plans
[03:47] <Jucato> leo_rockw: at least for KDE 3 it might be a good idea... high demand for it when gutsy was released
[03:47] <Jucato> leo_rockw: see the link above
[03:48] <leo_rockw> Jucato: thanks for the link
[03:52] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm
[03:52] <DarkriftX> now i remember why i didnt keep compiz
[03:53] <DarkriftX> i lost my window decorations and alt tabbing is all i can do :S
[03:55] <_2> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main libnss3 2:1.firefox1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.15~prepatch080202a-0ubuntu1  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[03:55] <_2> is that error telling me that the version of update is no longer avalable ?
[03:57] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=de06d51c
[04:00] <_2> Salaman: this channel really went to hell when intelikey left !
[04:00] <_2> man,
[04:01] <Jucato> (in your dreams :P)
[04:01] <_2> then why no answer ?
[04:01] <Jucato> !night | _2
[04:01] <ubotu> _2: It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[04:02] <_2> 9 pm middle of the night ??
[04:02] <Jucato> heheh
[04:02] <Dr_willis> im wide awake and highly caffinated!
[04:02] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[04:02] <Roey> hmm
[04:02] <Dr_willis> im used to 3rd shift.. :)
[04:02] <Roey> hey Dr_willis! ltns
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Roey,  you may need to update your alsa drivers if the thing is real new.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> or wait for the next release of ubunt/kubuntu tha may have updates. (could check out a beta of the live cd for the next release and see if it works in there)
[04:04] <Roey> Dr_willis:  is it supposed to Just WorkTM ?
[04:04] <_2> Jucato heh and at least intelikey would answer,  even if he didn't know anything at all about it...   :)))
[04:04] <Dr_willis> Roey,  if its a new chipset with no drivers for it under linux.. Or this release.. then how can it.
[04:04] <Roey> 00:02:07 ~ lspci | grep -i audio
[04:04] <Roey> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:04] <Jucato> _2: I *was* trying to look for an answer for you. but now I'm not inclined to anymore
[04:05] <Roey> Dr_willis:  http://rafb.net/p/yOUb1483.html
[04:05] <_2> Jucato (:
[04:05] <Dr_willis> there has been a lot of new audio chipset/stuff out lately.     the alsa in the current kubuntu is from a few months ago. so it is possible its just not got drivers IN there yet.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> whichis why i suggest testing out the livd cd of the hardy release.
[04:05] <_2> Jucato it's ok.   thanks just the same.
[04:07] <Jucato> _2: yes, that update is older than the one in the current dapper-updates
[04:07] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libnss3&searchon=names&suite=dapper-updates&section=all
[04:07] <Jucato> you can browse in packages.ubuntu.com btw
[04:08] <Roey> Dr_willis:  do yuou know anything about that output from aplay ?
[04:08] <_2> Jucato but you only see the latest.  i need the version that my packages.list contains   or else i'll be forced to dl the entire system again
[04:09] <Dr_willis> Roey,  nope. I only have creative sound cards here - so i rarely have sound issues. I did get a frieneds laptop working with the newer alsa drivers a few months ago.
[04:09] <Roey> ok
[04:09] <_2> Jucato but you only see the latest. <> if you browse the packages...
[04:09] <Jucato> _2: well yeah... because the older ones get replaced by the latest
[04:10] <_2> then how do you "down grade" a package ?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> I have my somewhat out of date 'install latest alsa' script i made for him at --> http://pastebin.com/f4e03f2f6    - USE at your own risk.. or just read it to see what i did.
[04:11] <_2> say you install version -2.5.23   and it's broken   and you need to downgrade back to 2.5.21  ???
[04:11] <Jucato> if the .deb is in your /var/cache/apt/archives/?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> that may or may not fix your problem. I dont   do much soundisue trouble shooting.
[04:11] <gustavo> heyyyy
[04:11] <gustavo> i love you!!!!
[04:11] <gustavo> alll
[04:11]  * Dr_willis sends gustavo  a bill.
[04:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[04:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:13] <Jucato> _2: actually, ok I don't know. maybe at times they re-upload an older version and remove the latest? (like when X broke in Dapper)
[04:14] <gustavo> Dr_wills: thanks!!!
[04:14] <gustavo> :D
[04:14] <_2> Jucato hmmm    could be...   i just thought that the repos kept all the packages/versions and the lists told apt which to fetch...  but it seems that "updates" don't work that way maybe
[04:16] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, how are you and what is your opinion of kde4
[04:16] <Dr_willis> testing kde4 right now. its useable.. but   seems to crash a few too much for me. also with a kde3/4 systems installed. I got a lot of duplicate menu items.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> its still needing a lot of polish. :)
[04:17] <Dr_willis> but it will get there eventually
[04:17] <Dr_willis> right now - i added a 'old style' menu button to my panel.. but cant figure how to drag it to the position i want! :)
[04:17] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, thanks doc.  you seem quite knowledgable about these things
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: #kubuntu-kde4 perhaps?
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and they're not really duplicate menu items... one is for the KDE 3 version, another for the KDE 4 version.. so... :)
[04:18] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  heh. i did the 'add widget' thing and drug/dropped a NEW one to the proper spot. then removed the one in the wrokg place.
[04:18] <DarkriftX> !compiz
[04:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: basically, that is the only way to do it
[04:18] <_2> Dr_willis right click it   doesn't have a menu for move ?
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yea. but the menus give them the same name.  so to a novice they see 2 of all this stuff.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> _2,  there is not.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Now i have a 'new' menu, and an old menu. :)
[04:19] <Dr_willis> but both use the same icon. :(
[04:19] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I thought they "fixed" that? or at least when you hover over the names, you'll see the description
[04:19] <Dr_willis> let me check
[04:20] <Dr_willis> ahh in the 'new' menu it has a littel text under the item saying 'whatever' or 'whatever kde3'
[04:20] <Dr_willis>  the color schem i am using makes it hard to read.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> with the old-stype menu widget - you dont see any  hover/descriptions.
[04:21] <Jucato> of course :)
[04:22] <Jucato> (maybe they'll implement something like Name (Description) in that old style menu again)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i do notice a bit of a graphical glitz as it draws the launcher menus also. new menu pops up, theres a bit of a delay and some gfx garbage befor it redraws
[04:22] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i hope so. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> personally i dont want ANY icons in the menus.  thats a feature i like about gnome.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i need less clutter in the menus. :)
[04:23] <_2> icons are over rated
[04:23] <Jucato> hope they make that configurable :)
[04:23] <Dr_willis> i also noticed if i set up gtk apps to use the kde4 themes in the appearance settings.. xchat coredumps
[04:23] <Jucato> bug :)
[04:24] <Jucato> or desired behavior :)
[04:24] <_2> lol
[04:24] <Dr_willis> luckly i rember that i had JUST changed that setting.. so saw the casuse/effect
[04:24] <Jucato> reproducible?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> i guess i can try launching a 2nd xchat.. :) brb
[04:25] <Dr_willis> xchat
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Floating point exception (core dumped)
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Yep. :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> nifty. I installed some new kde4 styles.. time to check them out
[04:30]  * Dr_willis plays with kde4 some more
[04:32] <gustavo>  hello.. i love you... when will the checkboxes, editboxes in firefox look like the windows' pretty ones?
[04:32] <gustavo> :P
[04:32] <Jucato> hm?
[04:32] <nonewmsgs> can you link to examples
[04:32] <gustavo> yes.. you know in linux.. those editbox where you type text.. they look ugly
[04:33] <Jucato> Firefox on Linux and Firefox in Windows use different UI "toolkits" to render (or whatever the technical term is). so they will never look the same
[04:33] <gustavo> of course
[04:34] <gustavo> but the windows one is prettier... when will we look like those windows pretty ones?
[04:34] <Jucato> 1. Firefox uses the GTK appearance. so "we" as in Kubuntu and KDE have no control over the matter. 2. It's a question for #firefox or #mozilla or wherever their channel is
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> Jucato,  they will never look the same
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> bah i dont know how to quote someone properly
[04:35] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: hm... why tell me? :)
[04:35] <nonewmsgs> i was trying to quote you
[04:35] <gustavo> yes.. but i'm sure kubuntu can take action over this issue...
[04:35] <Jucato> :P
[04:35] <gustavo> :d
[04:35] <Jucato> no
[04:36] <Dr_willis> try some different firefox themes perhaps. :)
[04:36] <gustavo> i tried..
[04:36] <gustavo> doesn't make difference
[04:36] <nonewmsgs> are they pretty in konquoror, opera, epiphany, etc?
[04:36] <gustavo> =
[04:36] <Dr_willis> i really havent noticed any of the uglyness..but im busy using theprogram, not worrying about text input boxc's being off by a few pixles or whatever.
[04:37] <gustavo> nonewmsgs: yes, in konqueror it's prettier
[04:37] <gustavo> its a rounded solid border
[04:37] <gustavo> in firefox its a shaded editbox
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> perhaps there is a #firefox
[04:38] <nonewmsgs> 72 poeple in #firefox
[04:38] <gustavo> ok i'll ask there
[04:38] <gustavo> don't you use firefox?!
[04:39] <nonewmsgs> i dont use windows to browse and cannot compare
[04:39] <nonewmsgs> and do not work with the mozilla team
[04:40] <gustavo> never tried firefox in windows?!
[04:40] <gustavo> don't believe you
[04:40] <gustavo> :P
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> i have never notcied much of a difference
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> i asked for a screenshot comparision
[04:40] <Dr_willis> we all know that the new apple browser for windows is going to take over.. since apple is perfect.
[04:41] <Jucato> hm... kinda getting offtopic, don't you think? :)
[04:41] <gustavo> Dr_willis: what apple browser?!?!
[04:41] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, apple is no longer perfect.  someone has taken a bite of the apple.  it is clearly seen on the back of the ipod
[04:41] <gustavo> offtopic at the moon
[04:41] <nonewmsgs> safari :P
[04:41] <gustavo> great.. i like offtopic!
[04:41] <gustavo> :P
[04:41] <Dr_willis> gustavo,  the one mentioned on several web sites  i saw today
[04:41] <gustavo> Dr_willis: didn't noticed!
[04:41] <Jucato> !offtopic | gustavo
[04:41] <ubotu> gustavo: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:42] <gustavo> hehehe
[04:42] <nonewmsgs> !porn | gustavo
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <gustavo> jucato, let the rules to the bots
[04:42] <gustavo> :P
[04:42] <gustavo> hehehehe
[04:43] <nonewmsgs> !firefox
[04:43] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:44] <Dr_willis> aparently http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe crashes wine so badly it crashes X!
[04:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:44] <gustavo> these bots are great
[04:44] <gustavo> =D
[04:44] <gustavo> you know talking about google..
[04:44] <gustavo> anyone joining google's summer of code?!
[04:44] <gustavo> :P
[04:44] <nonewmsgs> gustavo they even suggested where to look for porn
[04:45] <gustavo> yeeeh!!!
[04:45] <gustavo> ehaiueh
[04:45] <Jucato> hm.. again... offtopic. last warning
[04:45] <gustavo> even tough i didn't find anything related to porn on that site
[04:45] <gustavo> heaiuhe
[04:45] <gustavo> the bot's tcl must be rewritten! :P
[04:46] <gustavo> Jucato: ok father!
[04:46] <gustavo> :D
[04:46] <gustavo> i'll go to sleep soon, don't bother!
[04:46] <nonewmsgs> im going to sleep but in a seperate but equal bed
[04:46] <gustavo> separate from what?1
[04:46] <gustavo> :P
[04:47] <gustavo> hey who said i would sleep alone :P
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Savage2 has a 5 hr demo - nifty
[04:53] <gustavo> you.. awaked ones.. where are you from?
[04:55] <Dr_willis> Im in Indiana. The land of Corn and pigs.
[04:56] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: odly enough, i just learned that corning meat, as in corned beef or corned ham involves no corn at all.
[04:57] <unix_infidel> also weird, while having corned beef reuben for the first time in my life.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> corn in corned beef = 'kernel' as in corse kernels/grains of salt - (like kosher salt)
[04:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:00]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading about Linux games
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Theres a lot of progress on the Linux Gaming Front lately.
[05:00] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: i still find TCE to be lacking in physics.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> TCE?
[05:04] <neville_> True Combat: Elite?
[05:04] <neville_> -_-v
[05:05] <Dr_willis> never heard of it. :)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> i dont game a lot. Just every so often i get in the mood
[05:06] <neville_> Me neither, just looked it up then :P
[05:06] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: it's one of the more common linux games out there.
[05:06] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: what are you playing?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> downloading the demo of savage2 right now.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> It has Linux 32 and 64bit clients. and windows client.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> 5 hr free demo -
[05:11] <Alucard_Hellsing> srry to ask this but i need a irc program for a non linux user...my friend does not have any linux nor is he knowledgable enough to know how to get or us linux
[05:11] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: mirc is the most common among windows users.
[05:11] <unix_infidel> xchat2 silverex build is quite nice as well.
[05:12] <Alucard_Hellsing> k thx
[05:12] <unix_infidel> if he uses gaim / pidjin he'll like xchat.
[05:12] <unix_infidel> http://www.silverex.org/download/xchat.png
[05:12] <Jucato> Alucard_Hellsing: Konversation
[05:12] <Dr_willis> i use the xchat2 silverex for windows all the time
[05:12] <Alucard_Hellsing> he has never used irc before
[05:12] <unix_infidel> Jucato: windows.
[05:13] <Jucato> oh sorry haha
[05:13] <Dr_willis> heh - you pasted a link to an icon :) not the program
[05:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> i use konversation  i love it
[05:13] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: i pasted a link to the xchat screenshot.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)   ok.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> xchat - the only irc client i know with less and less features with each release!
[05:14]  * unix_infidel uses irssi on windows and linux.
[05:14] <Alucard_Hellsing> is it easyer to use than mirc then
[05:14] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: yes.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Its rather straightforward to use.. and it has docs.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: mirc is designed for people who want to connect to multiple servers and chats to download and chat.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> xchat is more designed for chatting imho.
[05:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> he just needs to be able to be in my room and the main morph room
[05:16] <Dr_willis> mIRC finially got the ability to be on more then 1 server at a time? :)
[05:17] <unix_infidel> Alucard_Hellsing: iirc, you can get the portable version too.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/downloads/X-Chat_Portable_2.8.4_Devlopment_Test_1_en-us.paf.exe
[05:18] <unix_infidel> portable gtk included, so he doesnt need to install it and mess with gtk / glade win32 versions.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> things have gone full circle with windows apps.. used to be everything was a 'portable app' Now its a new-innovative feature!
[05:19] <Alucard_Hellsing> k so i could test this with wine couldnt is
[05:19] <Alucard_Hellsing> *i
[05:19] <DarkriftX> mirc has supported multi server for at least 6 years
[05:24] <Dr_willis> DarkriftX,  shows how long ive been using Xchat under windows then.
[05:25]  * Dr_willis still rembers the disaster when mIRC gained some Ugly color-codes function. YOu couldent even stand to be in IRC with all the flashing/ugly colors
[05:28] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:28] <DarkriftX> i guess
[05:29] <DarkriftX> either that or you didnt upgrade often
[05:29] <DarkriftX> mirc is actually very good under windows
[05:29] <DarkriftX> xchat is nice, but i think mirc has more features that I use
[05:29] <Dr_willis> if you need the features.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> i recall way too many people that thought 'scripting' mirc events was 'real programing' :)
[05:31] <neville_> Doesn't it work in wine, too?
[05:44] <Alucard_Hellsing> can anyone here directly translate for me   chown -r us ./base
[05:45] <DarkriftX> lol Dr_willis i have written soem things in mirc "scripting" that some ppl cant tell even belongs to mirc
[05:45] <DarkriftX> i know its a scripting language, but programming, but it is really good for what it is
[05:45] <DarkriftX> s/but/not/
[05:45] <DarkriftX> erm
[05:45] <DarkriftX> s/but programming/not programming/
[05:46] <Alucard_Hellsing> no...funny
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I just recall people argung that xchat sucked becuase it used perl, and you couldent do a 1 line 'on event Say SPAMMESSAGE' type things :-
[05:46] <DarkriftX> lol Alucard_Hellsing  "all ur base are belong to us"
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> lol yes finaly
[05:47] <DarkriftX> i almost told you what it did :S
[05:47] <DarkriftX> then i got it
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> u know that phrase
[05:47] <dennister> any sql-ledger or accountant types available in the channel tonight?
[05:47] <DarkriftX> ive heard it
[05:47] <DarkriftX> from a song right?
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> u know what its from
[05:47] <Alucard_Hellsing> yes and no
[05:47] <DarkriftX> not offhand
[05:48] <evil-rhino> hey, i upgrade to hardy, which upgrade my firefox to ver. 3. all my application handlers for various content types disappeared. now firefox doesn't know what to do with .pdfs, .torrents, etc. any suggestions?
[05:48] <Alucard_Hellsing> from a video game intro that was made into a song because of the crappy grammer
[05:48] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:48] <evil-rhino> Alucard_Hellsing, DarkriftX: take it to #kubuntu-offtopic, please.
[05:49] <DarkriftX> Dr_willis, i dislike xchats useage of perl because i dont know perl very well, but im very sure perl is more powerful
[05:49] <Dr_willis> it can use other languages as well.
[05:49] <DarkriftX> evil-rhino, try #firefox, please
[05:49] <Dr_willis> not that i ever do that stuff in xchat
[05:49] <Alucard_Hellsing> is was kinda on topic... its shell script
[05:50] <Dr_willis> You would rather it use its own custome language like mirc does? :)
[05:50] <evil-rhino> DarkriftX: this is the result of a kubuntu upgrade, so it's completely relevant.
[05:50] <Jucato> evil-rhino: #ubuntu+1
[05:50] <DarkriftX> #kubuntu-upgrade, please
[05:50] <Jucato> DarkriftX: is that a real channel?
[05:50] <evil-rhino> oy vey, thanks.
[05:51] <DarkriftX> i really hate it when ppl give me the "get lost" attitude
[05:51] <DarkriftX> Jucato, every channel is real on here :)
[05:51] <DarkriftX> as soon as you join it anyways
[05:51] <Jucato> pfft :)
[05:51] <Jucato> that's not what I meant though
[05:52]  * Dr_willis joins #Jucato_For_President
[05:52] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:52] <Jucato> O.o
[05:52] <DarkriftX> it was empty :S
[05:52] <DarkriftX> gather your following!
[05:53] <DarkriftX> see, i think if everyone who wanted to make offtopic comment joined anothe channel to chat, there would be a lot less help in here because most ppl would be busy chatting and not reading in here as often
[05:54] <Alucard_Hellsing> agreed
[05:54] <DarkriftX> so unless it turns into an hour long convo, i dont think someone who asked a question and didnt get an immediate answer needs to tell otehrs to go elsewhere
[05:54] <Dr_willis> DarkriftX,  thats what #ubuntu-offtopic-offtopic is for
[05:54] <DarkriftX> that was extremely rude
[05:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:54] <DarkriftX> so lets all go to an off topic channel and chat, and screw all those who want help!!
[05:54] <DarkriftX> (im not that rude, but you get my point)
[05:54] <Sir_Corgi> There's a channel where you talk about off-topic things that aren't allowed in the off-topic channel?
[05:54] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> S L O
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Ive seen some support channels on Dalnet kick you if you are also in Porn channels. :)
[05:55] <DarkriftX> lol
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> Ha.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ive seen some kick you for making too many spelling mistakes.
[05:55] <DarkriftX> well, thats justifiable
[05:55] <Alucard_Hellsing> Q_O
[05:55] <DarkriftX> because users on porn channels could be bots spamming for more users
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> I was teasing ubotu in #kubuntu-offtopic until it was revealed to me that it's not allowed.
[05:55] <DarkriftX> ive seen that and i understnad that reasoning
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Sir_Corgi,  theres a bot channel for that
[05:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <Sir_Corgi> I was told that. lol
[05:56] <DarkriftX> there are too many channels that arent for help
[05:56] <DarkriftX> because they want the "free help" to act like paid help
[05:56] <DarkriftX> i dont get that
[05:56] <Dr_willis>  /join #CantFindAnyGoodChannels
[05:56] <DarkriftX> i got "silenced" on ##linux one night for saying "damn! really?"
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> I had to try to direct a Russian guy to #ubuntu-ru
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> Didn't work.
[05:56] <DarkriftX> 15 minutes i couldnt type for that
[05:56] <Sir_Corgi> I'm even learning Russian right now.
[05:57] <Sir_Corgi> It was VERY INTERESTING.
[05:57] <Alucard_Hellsing> thats bs
[05:57] <Sir_Corgi> What is?
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> DarkriftX  silenced
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah, that's kind of retarded.
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> People get way too butthurt sometimes.
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> must have a "badword" bot
[05:58] <DarkriftX> no
[05:58] <DarkriftX> it was a human op who did it
[05:58] <Alucard_Hellsing> now that is retarted
[05:58] <Sir_Corgi> Sand in his vagina...
[05:59] <DarkriftX> and when i questioned it i was told i would be banned for ever for questioning thier rules
[05:59] <Jucato> ahem!
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Right... right... back to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:59] <Alucard_Hellsing> i say we takerover the channel
[05:59] <DarkriftX> which is why i now say "darn" "gosh" "poop" over there
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Muahaha
[05:59] <Sir_Corgi> Say "fart" instead of the f-word.
[05:59] <DarkriftX> lol
[06:00] <DarkriftX> i got compiz almost working properly but they ran out of ideas for me
[06:01]  * DarkriftX starts spinning his cube in frustration
[06:01] <Sir_Corgi> I hate that cube.
[06:01] <DarkriftX> i love the cube
[06:01] <DarkriftX> thats the only reason i installed compiz
[06:02] <Sir_Corgi> I just like my windows to look pretty.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Thers a reason  why the cool people hang here , instead of ##linux
[06:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the plasma corner 'button' in the top right, has a zoom out feature.. but i cant find how to zoom back in...
[06:08] <Jucato> try right-clicking on one of the desktops...
[06:08] <Jucato> it might be hard to read the menu
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i get the normal right click popup menu. noting about zoomingback
[06:09] <Jucato> try hovering over the "corner" of the desktop again (where the Zoom OUt button was)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i only get a right click menu on the very small 'desktop' wallpaper thats now in the top left of the screen
[06:09] <Jucato> (although it's no longer really the corner)
[06:10] <Sir_Corgi> There is one thing about compiz in Kubuntu that I haven't figured out.  In GNOME, if a window is maximized, you can click and drag the titlebar down, and it will unstick the window.  In Kubuntu, it just stretches the title bar down as though it's stuck by the corners.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> nothing in the actual corner, the mini-desktop has that corner button. but it just has zoom, and add widgets
[06:10] <Dr_willis> and i zommed again.. nowits real real real tiny. :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:11] <Dr_willis> aha! the zoomin/out buttons were so tiny - i got lucky and hit zoomout!
[06:11] <Dr_willis> there we go. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> and plasma crashed.. heh.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> well off to Try the savage2 demo.  bye
[06:20] <Erickj92> what would be the restart command for apache2?
[06:26] <emilsedgh> Erickj92: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[06:26] <Erickj92> thank you emilsedgh. i keep forgetting it
[06:32] <Sir_Corgi> Google is BLACK
[06:32] <Sir_Corgi> Holy crap!
[06:35] <emilsedgh> Sir_Corgi: ??
[06:35] <emilsedgh> bugs.kde.org is BLACK!
[06:36] <emilsedgh> at least it was, a few minutes ago!
[06:38] <belladonna> has anyone used tvtime?  i cannot figure out how to change the card used
[06:40] <belladonna> how do i figure out if my tv card installed correctly?
[06:47] <belladonna> is anyone here responding?
[06:47] <Creationist> Are there any decent apps that will help me locate duplicate files (particularly pictures) within my home folder?
[06:48] <Creationist> belladonna: Ask a question... if no one responds, then your answer is no. :)
[06:48] <belladonna> Creationist: i am just trying to find a tutorial or something on setting up tv cards
[06:48] <Jucato> !tv
[06:48] <Creationist> Have you tried Google?
[06:49] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[06:49] <Creationist> ...or Jucato :)
[06:49]  * Jucato has no idea about tv cards though :(
[06:49] <Sir_Corgi> But apparently ubotu does. lol
[07:02] <belladonna> is there anything to check on why i would not be able to play a dvd?
[07:04] <seba> hola
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Tocco Grande!
[07:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <seba> algun latino o latina de sangre caliente?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> !es
[07:04] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[07:05] <seba> ok
[07:05] <seba> i speak more than you
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I speak enough spanish to order lunch, and ask where the bathroom is at.. and get my face slapped... :) thats about it.
[07:06] <Sir_Corgi> What the hell is a tocco?  HAHA
[07:06] <ubuntu> hello everyone
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Actually i think 'Tocco' is a brand name of a machine we have at work.
[07:07]  * Jucato thinks "taco" [/offtopic]
[07:07] <ubuntu> I am using the 7.10 live cd and when I try to mount my HD I get a mounting error
[07:07]  * Dr_willis waits in suspense for the error message!
[07:07] <ubuntu> it says refused uid 999
[07:08] <ubuntu> is this because I don't have root privileges or what?
[07:08] <ubuntu> I am still new to linux (use Puppy Linux on my desktop)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm. You could try mounting the thing manually from the command line.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> I rarely mess with the live cd.
[07:09] <ubuntu> well I am completely happy with Puppy
[07:10] <ubuntu> but I read in the Ubuntu forums that audible.com audio files can be transferred with Amarok on Kubuntu
[07:10] <ubuntu> so I wanted to try it out
[07:15] <ubuntu> I am trying to mount it under the Konsole but it says it can't find sda1 or hda1; under storage drives it has my hd listed as sda1
[07:17] <Tm_T> ubuntu: what is the exact errormessage and command
[07:17] <ubuntu> I tried opening it as root, it still won't detect it
[07:17] <belladonna> is there something special i need to do to play a dvd?
[07:18] <Tm_T> !dvd | belladonna
[07:18] <ubotu> belladonna: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:18] <ubuntu> under KDE with dolphin it is hal-storage-fixed mount refused uid 999
[07:18] <Tm_T> ubuntu: with Konsole
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> what is the name of the kde search thing that runs in the background and chews up resources
[07:19] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media$ sudo mount sda1
[07:19] <ubuntu> mount: can't find sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:19] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media$
[07:19] <neville_> Strigi?
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> I removed it on my machine so I forgot the name
[07:19] <Tm_T> Linux_Galore: you mean strigi? (it isn't KDE search actually IIRC)
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> ah yes strigi
[07:19] <Tm_T> ubuntu: /dev/sda1
[07:19] <Tm_T> ubuntu: also you have to give the destination dir for mount
[07:20] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$ cd sda1
[07:20] <ubuntu> bash: cd: sda1: Not a directory
[07:20] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/dev$
[07:20]  * ubuntu nods
[07:21] <ubuntu> okay I guess I don't know the directory
[07:21] <Tm_T> ubuntu: /dev/sda1 is the device, not dir
[07:21] <Tm_T> ubuntu: you have to create (if it isn't already) destination dir, like, /media/memstick
[07:22] <ubuntu> I tried sudo mount /dev/sda1/
[07:22] <ubuntu> and sudo mount /media/sda1/
[07:22] <Tm_T> yes, the device isn't dir
[07:22] <ubuntu> couldn't find either
[07:22] <Tm_T> device is "file"
[07:22] <Tm_T> mount /dev/sda1 /media/memstick
[07:22] <Tm_T> for example
[07:22] <ubuntu> ah
[07:22] <ubuntu> not familiar with that
[07:23] <Tm_T> ubuntu: mount --help might give some instructions, also manual pages are good if they doesn't frighten you :))
[07:24] <ubuntu> well I used mount in Damn Small Linux, I guess it autodetects your devices or something because I just had to direct it to my device as if it were a directory
[07:24] <ubuntu> but I am still noobtastic
[07:24] <Tm_T> ubuntu: yup, should work the same way in Kubuntu, but in some (interesting perhaps) cases it could fail
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> Im just talking to someone on the phone and when he is playing a video every now and again its starts ti stutter, I had the exact same problem and removed strigi and all was well
[07:25] <Tm_T> but time to catch a train ->
[07:26] <ubuntu> okay I read the help but I am still confused, how do I know my device name if it is not listed or detected by Kubuntu?
[07:27] <Dragonath> then your device doesn't work with kubuntu I guess
[07:28] <ubuntu> but in dolphin it shows my 120g hd as sda1
[07:28] <ubuntu> but it doesn't detect /media/sda1 in console
[07:29] <ubuntu> it still says it can't find it in etc/fstab or mtab even when I direct it to media/sda1
[07:29] <ubuntu> geeze I am confused :-P
[07:29] <ubuntu> the device is my harddrive, how is that not going to work with Kubuntu! :-P
[07:31] <Dr_willis>  /media/ is a mountpoint the device is /dev/sda1
[07:32] <DarkriftX> anyone know where i change the taskbar buttons font color at in kde?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/PICKSOMEDIRNAME
[07:32] <ubuntu> okay I did it :)
[07:32] <ubuntu> lol sorry I am slow I guess
[07:33] <root> hola riddelll
[07:33] <DarkriftX> anyone?
[07:34] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:34] <kenny> Sorry, no.  Just installed KDE myself.
[07:34] <root> de donde eres
[07:35] <Dragonath> DarkriftX: you right click on the desktop then go configure desktop
[07:35] <Dragonath> or wait
[07:35] <Dragonath> I'm wrong
[07:35] <Dragonath> right click on the taskbar
[07:35] <Dragonath> and unlock it if you haven't
[07:36] <Dragonath> then choose configure panel
[07:36] <Dragonath> and there's the taskbar section which has all you need
[07:37] <DarkriftX> nice, ty
[07:38] <DarkriftX> one more question, on some screenshots, i see different size icons on a desktop (some large, some normal etc) how is this done?
[07:39]  * Jucato hasn't seen anything like that
[07:39] <Sir_Corgi> DarkriftX:  You mean in the panel?
[07:39] <DarkriftX> no, desktop
[07:39] <Sir_Corgi> Oops.
[07:39] <emilsedgh> DarkriftX: System Settings->Appearance->Desktop->Icons->Advanced, i think
[07:39] <Jucato> emilsedgh: "different size icons" though
[07:40] <Sir_Corgi> My screen was scrolled up, so I didn't see people answering your question
[07:40] <DarkriftX> like they will have a huge firefox icon, and some mid sized drive icons and then lots of normal sized program icons allon the same desktop
[07:40] <emilsedgh> oh
[07:40] <emilsedgh> i've never seen such thing too
[07:40] <DarkriftX> i need to find a ss
[07:41] <Jucato> hm.. actually now that you mentioned it... I think I remember seeing something like that
[07:41] <Jucato> but iirc it's a GNOME utility or something
[07:41] <emilsedgh> i saw it in gnome :D
[07:41] <emilsedgh> Gnome and KDE4
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> I've seen that in Gnome.
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> Oh, KDE4.
[07:42] <Sir_Corgi> I know that in Gnome, you right-click a file on the desktop and you can change the icon's size.
[07:42] <malbos> hello all !
[07:43] <Sir_Corgi> I have both KDE and Gnome installed.  I just select the session from KDM when I log-in.
[07:43] <Sir_Corgi> But I rarely go into Gnome.
[07:43] <DarkriftX> ok, heres a ss, but ive seen this on many different systems over the years
[07:43] <DarkriftX> http://www.beryl-themes.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=75920&file1=75920-1.jpg&file2=75920-2.jpg&file3=&name=Plasmoids-X
[07:44] <DarkriftX> ahhh, so its a gnome thing
[07:44] <DarkriftX> darn
[07:44] <DarkriftX> i dislike gnome, but id like that feature
[07:44] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah.
[07:45] <DarkriftX> as far as kde4 goes, i couldnt even get icons on my desktop to work
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> That was kind of an ugly screenshot.  No offense if it was yours or anything. lol
[07:45] <DarkriftX> no
[07:45] <DarkriftX> lol
[07:45] <Jucato> there's a way to have something like that, although it requires a bit of work. just a bit
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> I keep mine simple.
[07:45] <DarkriftX> if it were, i wouldnt be asking how to do that
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> Perhaps there is a Compiz setting.  Maybe?
[07:45] <Jucato> (hint: superkaramba)
[07:45] <Sir_Corgi> Looking...
[07:46] <DarkriftX> i like my icons very small, but there are some id like a little larger
[07:46] <DarkriftX> otherwise its not something i cant live without
[07:47] <Sir_Corgi> I'm going to search the forum real quick.
[07:47] <Sir_Corgi> See if I can find anything.
[07:48] <DarkriftX> its an odd thing to search for
[07:48] <emilsedgh> still no news from a KDE4 based irc client?
[07:48] <DarkriftX> the wording could go about 20 different ways
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> Nah.
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> You look up "stretch icons"
[07:49] <Sir_Corgi> It's what they call it in Gnome, I think.
[07:54] <Sir_Corgi> Not finding anything useful...
[07:54] <DarkriftX> i c
[07:54] <Sir_Corgi> Just people saying it can only be done in Gnome.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> I recall just using large png's as icon images in gnome made them bigger.. :)
[07:55] <kenny> Sounds like that'd work.  If all else fails, do it the long way.
[07:55] <Sir_Corgi> That's the one thing I actually don't like about Kubuntu:  pictures as icons.
[07:55] <Sir_Corgi> Same goes for Gnome.
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> I mean, seeing a preview of it by mouseover is fine, but having pictures as icons isn't very attractive.
[07:56] <Dr_willis> we need animated pngs for icons! or flash videos!
[07:56] <jussi01> Sir_Corgi: so disable tehm
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> PNGs are not animated.
[07:56] <kenny> High Def icons!
[07:56] <Sir_Corgi> You can't animate PNGs.
[07:56] <snowolf> they are
[07:57] <Dr_willis> I belive i saw some web thing gimp thing to make animated pngs
[07:57] <snowolf> anyway what purpose serves icons? bah
[07:57] <jussi01> anyway, lets try to keep this on topic a bit?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> they 'can be' :)
[07:57] <snowolf> yeah png can be animated, but they have a differente extension I believe
[07:57] <Sir_Corgi> I'm still looking.
[07:57] <Jucato> Sir_Corgi: disable Previews in Icon view mode
[07:57] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animated_Portable_Network_Graphics
[07:58] <Sir_Corgi> Holy crap!
[07:58] <Sir_Corgi> And it keeps the .png format!
[07:59] <Sir_Corgi> That is brilliant!
[07:59] <Dr_willis> but aparently the png group dont like it.. so its proberly not going to get popular..
[07:59] <Dr_willis> so we are stuck with animaged gifs? Ick
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> But wouldn't they look a whole lot better?  I mean .pngs don't require indexed colors.
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> And the quality would be better.
[08:00] <Sir_Corgi> SO MUCH BETTER
[08:01] <Dr_willis> http://animatedpng.com/index.php/samples/mozilla-labs-justin-dolske/#more-14
[08:01] <Dr_willis> those look nice to me. :)
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> I don't have FF3 yet, so I guess I won't see an animated PNG for a while.
 You can't animate PNGs. <--- there's APNG
[08:02] <Jucato> bah he beat me to it
[08:02] <Jucato> anyway
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> I was already aware of that.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:02] <Sir_Corgi> Back on topic, I can't find anything on stretching icons.
[08:03] <Dr_willis> i rember animated IFF files from my amiga days
[08:09] <Sir_Corgi> I feel bad that I can't find anything about it.  Sorry.
[08:14] <belladonna> is there any to find out where a tv card is asigned to? such as /dev/video0
[08:20] <Dr_willis> belladonna,  could check the output of 'dmesg'
[08:22] <belladonna> is there a way of limiting the output so i do not have to look through hundreds of lines?
[08:22] <Dr_willis> grep for the pattern
[08:23] <Dr_willis> now WHAT pattern.. i dont know.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> dmesg | grep  video
[08:23] <Dr_willis> perhaps
[08:24] <belladonna> ok i think i found it but i do not see anything about /dev/....
[08:25] <Dr_willis> normally when a module/driver gets loaded it prints out some message about it in dmesg.  look above and below the lines with video in it.
[08:25] <belladonna> yes that is where i see it.. but it does not say where it loaded... neither do any of my other hardware
[08:28] <archangelpetro> is there really any differences between Kubuntu and ubuntu, other than using KDE?
[08:28] <Gaaston> archangelpetro> some applications differs
[08:28] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: using KDE is quite a difference!
[08:28] <Gaaston> konqueror is the default browser, adept is the package manager
[08:28] <archangelpetro> well, i agree but i mean
[08:29] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: most of the apps are different. :)
[08:29] <archangelpetro> in the availability of packages, stability etc..
[08:29] <Gaaston> no difference in the availability of packages
[08:29] <Gaaston> you can even install gnome on kubuntu
[08:29] <archangelpetro> but wwhat about stability?
[08:29] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: I don't think kubuntu gets as much love as Ubuntu. Apparently it's not quite as stable, however I've never really had a problem
[08:29] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:30] <archangelpetro> but is that subjectivity, or objective observation? :)
[08:30] <archangelpetro> the general feeling that is
[08:30] <Gaaston> it's not as much polished, but it is stable enough ... subjectively. It's hard to do objective comparison
[08:31] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: basically some people on Slashdot were moaning about it, I can't remember why or about what. It's a bit like: 'this bloke at the pub said...'
[08:31] <archangelpetro> ok :)
[08:31] <archangelpetro> well, mayb ei should try it
[08:31] <archangelpetro> instead of ubuntu
[08:32] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: oh yeah, give it a go. One thing to do if you're going to try lots of stuff out, is put your home directory in a seperate partition.
[08:32] <liammcdermott> That means you can splat your Linux install without affecting your documents :)
[08:33] <archangelpetro> well
[08:33] <archangelpetro> im kinda cautious
[08:33] <archangelpetro> i just got a ne wmachine with vista
[08:33] <archangelpetro> and im gonna resize its partition :p
[08:33] <archangelpetro> and install linux
[08:34] <Gaaston> well... 1: do the resize of the vista partition within vista
[08:34] <archangelpetro> ou can do that?
[08:34] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:34] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: don't worry, I didn't know you could do that either. :)
[08:34] <Gaaston> somewhere in control pannel, I don't know anymore
[08:34]  * Gaaston doesn't own a vista pc
[08:34] <archangelpetro> lol
[08:34] <Dr_willis> one of the few GOOD features of vista
[08:34] <Dr_willis> it can resize ntfs filesystems
[08:35] <archangelpetro> woo :p
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Yeah, you can make partitions in Vista.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> It's cool.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Don't remember how to use it though.
[08:35] <Sir_Corgi> Haven't been over to the Vista side in a while...
[08:36] <archangelpetro> well, i'v wenever used i t:p
[08:36] <liammcdermott> I've been lucky enough to mostly avoid Vista so far.
[08:36] <Dr_willis> it uses you
[08:36] <archangelpetro> well i work in IT security :P im playing with vista
[08:36] <liammcdermott> Dr_willis: lol
[08:36] <archangelpetro> wel;l, that's the intention
[08:37] <liammcdermott> Doesn't Ubuntu 8.04 have SELinux included?
[08:38] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I though  i saw somemention of selinux, but i dont think its enabled by default
[08:38] <Strangelet> SKIM cannot detect any languages (the languages I have setup include English and Chinese), why is that?
[08:38] <Jucato> SELinux or AppArmor?
[08:38] <Jucato> liammcdermott: you can ask in #ubuntu+1 to be sure
[08:39] <archangelpetro> :P
[08:40] <liammcdermott> Ok, thanks. It was idle curiosity. Am not really bothered either way. :)
[08:40] <Dr_willis> heck - i dont even rember the diff tween selinux and apparmout.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> Those are thekind of things I normally just learn i have to disable for my games to work. :P
[08:44] <nu-evo> vg
[08:46] <archangelpetro> wwooo
[08:46] <archangelpetro> VISTA just resized the partiotion
[08:46] <archangelpetro> :p
[08:48] <Kubuntiac> I just love any feature in Vista that makes it easier to install Linux. Good job Microsoft! ;-)
[08:48] <liammcdermott> archangelpetro: nice one. :)
[08:48] <liammcdermott> Kubuntiac: yeah, I'm pretty suprised at that. When it first came out though, didn't Vista hate having it's partition resized?
[08:48] <liammcdermott> I seem to remember a bunch of people having trouble with that.
[08:49] <Kubuntiac> Previous releases of winows did. Not sure about Vista
[08:50] <Sir_Corgi> I had to use Unetbootin to install my Kubuntu.
[08:50] <Sir_Corgi> Takes forever, but the end result is absolutely awesome:  Linux.  :)
[08:51] <liammcdermott> Sir_Corgi: 8.04 has something like that built-in
[08:51] <liammcdermott> Sir_Corgi: haven't tried it mind you.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> See, for some reason Live CDs don't work on my computer.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> I tried Wubi initially... then I found out it's just a virtual install.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> Then I found unetbootin.
[08:52] <Sir_Corgi> Worked awesome.
[08:52] <Jucato> (semi-virtual install... but what the heck...)
[08:53] <liammcdermott> Ooo-arr, what's the difference?
[08:53] <Sir_Corgi> I just wish it would save the iso somewhere so that the next time it installs, I don't have to let it sit there for three hours.
[08:55] <Sir_Corgi> What really set me off with Wubi is that you can't upgrade from within it very easily.
[09:05] <Dr_willis> what i dislike about wubi, is that it exists... :)
[09:06] <ere4si> hehe
[09:10] <Sir_Corgi> Dr_willis: agreed
[09:19] <archangelpetro> :)
[09:19] <archangelpetro> ok, so kubuntu is better :p
[09:19] <archangelpetro> than ubuntu?
[09:20] <Strangelet> SCIM fails to show any languages when I left click it, though the configuration clearly sees all of them, I cannot switch languages at all. What is the problem here?
[09:20] <Strangelet> *SKIM
[09:23] <m_> hello
[09:24] <belladonna_> does kubuntu use alsa or oss as default
[09:24] <m_> !list
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[09:25] <Strangelet> belladonna_: alsa,  believe
[09:25] <eagles0513875> hey guys been a while since ive been in here
[09:26] <eagles0513875> i have a random question what causes a pnp bios bug
[09:26] <eagles0513875> !nickname
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickname - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <eagles0513875> anyone in here this morning
[09:31] <eagles0513875> morning to all who just joined the channel
[09:38] <kraaner> tere
[09:38] <archangelpetro> morning
[09:38] <archangelpetro> :)
[09:38] <kraaner> kas siin eestlasi on kes aidata oskavad
[09:39] <kraaner> I have prob whit my estobuntu
[09:39] <Jucato> um. English please
[09:40] <kraaner> sorry.. just looked somebody who can help me... in estonian
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> What is the language code for Estonian.
[09:40] <Sir_Corgi> Hmm..
[09:41] <Jucato> kraaner: #ubuntu-estonia
[09:45] <belladonna_> is it possible to have both oss and alsa installed without problems
[09:59] <lanoxx> in firefox in the download window, klicking on: open containing folder, or open does not work. does anyone know why?
[10:00] <Sir_Corgi> I just tried it on mine, and even though I'm in Kubuntu, it opens up File Browser, which is a GNOME application.
[10:01] <Sir_Corgi> It doesn't open using Dolphin.
[10:01] <ere4si> dolphin is a bit behind the other file managers
[10:04] <lanoxx> dolphin is bad
[10:05] <lanoxx> but konqueror is not that much better, linux really lacks a good file manager
[10:05] <lanoxx> they should copy the windows explorer to linux
[10:05] <llutz> muhahaha
[10:05] <lanoxx> is still the best filemanager is know
[10:05] <lanoxx> xD
[10:06] <ere4si> I think thunar is better
[10:06] <ere4si> :)
[10:09]  * kgoetz thinks explorer is hopeless
[10:09]  * JoshOvki things kgoetz is right
[10:09] <JoshOvki> *thinks
[10:09] <emonkey> kgoetz, +1
[10:09] <chinamann> hey guys...
[10:09] <Hamra> whats wrong with konqi? i find it really good as a file manager, but not as a web browser though
[10:09] <chinamann> looking for help on imapsync.
[10:10] <chinamann> anyone who can advise?
[10:14] <lanoxx> the biggest problem i see it that i can not have split view like in windows explorer, left is tree view and right is detailed view. then clicking on a folder in the tree opens its content in the right view
[10:14] <lanoxx> also the idea of having tabs in a file manager is slightly strange, that is a browser thing!!!!
[10:15] <snowolf> lanoxx: krusader
[10:15] <lanoxx> further more i belive a browser is not a file manager and these 2 funktions should be clearly sepperated.
[10:15] <JoshOvki> lanoxx: ummmm, you do know that Windows Explorer can also be used as a web browser dont you?
[10:15] <Sir_Corgi> Yep.
[10:15] <Sir_Corgi> It's linked to Internet Explorer.
[10:15] <lanoxx> i do, and i dont approve of it
[10:15] <JoshOvki> and it is acctualy based on IE, thats why i cant uninstall IE
[10:16] <snowolf> lanoxx: then use mc & lynx and everything will be fine
[10:16] <lanoxx> i would clearly like to disable that funktion and uninstall ie
[10:16] <lanoxx> what is mc & lynx?
[10:16] <snowolf> mc is a command line twin panel file manager
[10:16] <snowolf> and lynx is a pure browser, also command line
[10:17] <Sir_Corgi> My linux doesn't seem to like my built-in microphone.
[10:17] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: tried to play around with alsaconf? Mine doesn't like either, but after some time of playing around, stopped complaining and started working
[10:17] <JoshOvki> i dont think i have ever tryed to use my microphone
[10:18] <lanoxx> na, i like the cli but for browsing and filemanagement i prefere the gui
[10:18] <snowolf> for chatting? anyway, if you want a kde twin panel file manager you have krusader I believe
[10:18] <Sir_Corgi> I tried to type that into the Konsole, and it didn't work.
[10:18] <crazy_bus> my motherboard broke so I replaced it in my old pc.  All things seem  to work except usb.  When I plug things into the usb ports at the back nothing happens.  I'm pretty sure their enabled correctly in the bios.  What can I do?
[10:18] <lanoxx> cli should be for administration, and every where where you can speed up things that are faster down on the console that in gui, but its not for multimedia
[10:19] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: try with kde-mix, kde-mixer or something like that, unfortunately I'm not on kubuntu
[10:19] <snowolf> lanoxx: everything is faster in cli
[10:19] <Jucato> snowolf: KMix?
[10:19] <snowolf> could be
[10:20] <Jucato> er.. "kmix"
[10:20] <lanoxx> it surely is, but have you tried and played a youtube video on the cli?
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> Well, when I go intokKmix, it only gives me the settings "Capture" and "Digital"
[10:20] <snowolf> lanoxx: not really, I'm not much on youtube really
[10:20] <Sir_Corgi> I completely screwed up half of that sentence.
[10:20] <snowolf> doesn't matter, its meaning got thru
[10:20] <snowolf> Sir_Corgi: no switches tab?
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> Switches gives me "Caller ID" and "Off-hook" and the only option under "Input Source" is Mic.
[10:21] <Sir_Corgi> It's weird.  I'm so used to seeing like "Line In" or "Line Out" or something.
[10:22] <snowolf> Caller ID? Off-hook? reaaaaaaaly weird
[10:22] <llutz> lanoxx: framebuffer-console + vlc-nox and  youtube shouldn't be a problem :)
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I'm trying to use a voice program in Wine.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I have everything set up but the microphone.
[10:22] <Sir_Corgi> I just wish the company would come out with a Linux version, but they never will, despite the "coming soon" message on their website.
[10:23] <lanoxx> llutz: sounds cool
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> It has been "coming soon" for three years now.
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> Apparently.
[10:23] <Sir_Corgi> From what I've read.
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> And something else... I find it strange that the Mic volume level is under the "Output" tab and not the "input" tab.
[10:24] <snowolf> no, the mic level in output
[10:24] <snowolf> means another thing
[10:24] <snowolf> it's only for the return in the headphones
[10:24] <Sir_Corgi> Oh.
[10:25] <snowolf> the mic level is regulated by the mic boost in input
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> Wouldn't that be funny if it works because I muted that?
[10:25] <Sir_Corgi> There is no "mic boost"
[10:26] <sigma_1234> is there a oxygen theme for kde3?
[10:26] <snowolf> think so
[10:27] <Hamra> i have mic boost in input and in output, lol
[10:27] <sigma_1234> where do i get it from?
[10:28] <snowolf> sigma_1234: no I checked, seems that there isn't but I'm not checking on kubuntu repositories you still have a chance
[10:28]  * snowolf for a moment didn't realized that kde 3.9 means kde 4 :)
[10:28] <Jucato> sigma_1234: nope. no backport of Oxygen widget style for KDE 3
[10:29] <Jucato> snowolf: hm?
[10:30] <snowolf> Jucato: just checked on mandriva's repositories, and it has both a oxygen 3.93 & 4.0.2 - didn't realized that 3.93 means 4 prefinal :)
[10:30] <Jucato> yeah. one of the alphas
[10:30] <Jucato> so it's not really 3.9 == 4... but 3.9 < 4 :)
[10:31] <snowolf> yeah I know, but definitively not KDE 3 :)
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> And I have made an interesting discovery...  o.O
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> It seems...
[10:31] <snowolf> yeah?
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> ... as though my microphone only works if I talk directly... into... the microphone jack...
[10:31] <Sir_Corgi> o.O
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I may need to buy an external microphone.
[10:32] <snowolf> what do you mean? you used it the wrong way around?
[10:32] <snowolf> aaaaaaaah
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> No.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I didn't do anything wrong.
[10:32] <Sir_Corgi> I opened up sound recorder and tried to record my voice to test the microphone.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> And the only time it actually picked up my voice is when I talked directly into the microphone jack.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> It's an internal microphone.
[10:33] <Sir_Corgi> Just plain out weird.
[10:35] <Sir_Corgi> I used to have an external microphone somewhere....
[10:36] <Hamra> is the there a beta with kde 3.5 and a beta with kde4, or is it only one version of the beta currently?
[10:37] <Jucato> Hamra: 2 versions. one with KDE 3.5.9 and one with KDE 4.0.2 (or 4.0.3 soon)
[10:37] <Hamra> ok
[10:37] <snowolf> Hamra: I higly advise against using KDE4 as main desktop environment
[10:37] <snowolf> good for testing it, not for running it seriously
[10:40] <Hamra> im not really a serious user of linux, still learning it, i try to get every new program i find, and enjoy messing around with the system :P
[10:41] <snowolf> :)
[10:41] <snowolf> try fluxbox then
[10:41] <Hamra> !fluxbox
[10:41] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[10:41] <Hamra> cool, i'll try it out
[10:43] <Jucato> messing? KDE's the best.. so many options to mess around with (consequently, so many ways to turn your desktop into a mess too)
[10:44] <snowolf> Jucato: I agree, KDE rocks, but IMO one of the most enjoyable way to mess around is trying desktop environment
[10:44] <snowolf> but... well, I do *not* enjoying messing around
[10:50] <Hamra> lol, yeah, i mean once you get used to the system, you tend to try your best to keep it working well. i'm very careful with what i do on my windows, but that's after years and years of putting it together, maybe the same will happen here on kubuntu in some time :)
[10:50] <kirkt> hey ppl, what was the command to install MS fonts?
[10:52]  * snowolf points kirkt to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:52] <jpatrick> kirkt: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:54] <kirkt> thanks
[11:03] <jpatrick> snowolf: pm?
[11:07] <lanoxx> snowolf: can i switch the left panel of krusader to tree view?
[11:08] <snowolf> lanoxx: well, I have to check, but I guess so - I haven't used krusader in a long time
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> Couldn't find the mic.
[11:08] <Sir_Corgi> Damn.  That means I have to buy a new one.  :(((
[11:11] <llutz> lanoxx: have you ever tried konqueror in detailed view + navigation (F9)
[11:11] <snowolf> lanoxx: no idea really, I just use two konquerors windows
[11:12] <lanoxx> yes, its not what i want. the problem is that the two views are allways seperated. double clicking on a folder should open the folder in the right panel now in the left one.
[11:13] <snowolf> ah well yeah
[11:13] <lanoxx> like its the case in windows explorer. left is the tree and right the viewer. when i select a folder in the tree, it is being opens on the right side
[11:14] <lanoxx> its strange that no body ever missed such a funktion in linux
[11:14] <llutz> lanoxx: that's exactly what navigation-view does
[11:15] <Hamra> the same effect of windows happens in konqueror, i mean the tree on the left and the view on right work together!
[11:15] <kgx> does anyone know if i can use xrandr to show screen is on which side? (ie, which one is on the left, and which is on the right?)
[11:17] <PhilRod> anyone else see the following problem in adept manager?: search for "build-essential" then expand the one entry that's found. The description changes from the right one to one describing cdparanoia
[11:17] <llutz> lanoxx: like this: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konqsh2.png
[11:19] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me get my usb ports to recognize their is something in them in kubuntu?
[11:19] <PhilRod> ah, seems to be something to do with the fact that it was trying to get the package off a (non-existent) CD. Works now with the CD source disabled
[11:19] <lanoxx> llutz: yeah thats what i want, could i make that default
[11:19] <lanoxx> ?
[11:21] <llutz> lanoxx: sure, save it to a profile
[11:22] <llutz> lanoxx: and btw, konq works this way since ages
[11:24] <lanoxx> guess i really have over seen this. but this is exactly what i want
[11:25] <llutz> pressing F9 does the trick :)
[11:26] <lanoxx> yeah, now how do i make konqueror the default file manager in kde
[11:26] <lanoxx> ?
[11:26] <llutz> and these 2 links help you to fix kubuntus crippled konqueror 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/69168/comments/5    2. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941
[11:27] <lanoxx> thanks
[11:28] <llutz> lanoxx: konqueror -> Settings/Config Konq/File Associations -> inode - directory -> bring konqueror to 1st postition
[11:28] <llutz> or just remove d3plhin
[11:29] <jussi01> !dolphin
[11:29] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[11:29] <llutz> ah tks jussi01
[11:29] <jussi01> :)
[11:30] <lanoxx> that did the trick, thanks a lot
[11:30] <llutz> np
[11:30] <lanoxx> i gotta go fix dinner. i apprechiate your help
[11:30] <lanoxx> bye
[11:31] <llutz> lanoxx: and nver never say "explorer is better" again ;)
[11:32] <Sir_Corgi> haha
[11:42]  * cracko is away: Gone away for now.
[11:43] <jpatrick> !away > cracko
[11:46] <PhilRod> ooh, that's a nice script
[11:46] <jussi01> ?
[11:47] <jpatrick> PhilRod: once an auto_bleh lover, always an auto_bleh lover
[11:49] <PhilRod> ah, irssi
[11:49]  * jpatrick <3 irssi too
[11:49] <PhilRod> I've been hoping konversation would get some scripting ability so I could do that
[11:50] <jussi01> PhilRod: care to join us in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[12:01] <Jucato> PhilRod: bash and python scripts not enough for ya? :)
[12:02] <PhilRod> ah, that sounds familiar
[12:02] <jpatrick> Jucato: long live perl
[12:02] <PhilRod> you can run a python script that would have to talk to konversation via dcop, right?
[12:02] <Jucato> oh I think perl too. not sure
[12:02] <Jucato> yeah
[12:03] <Jucato> you can check /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts for samples
[12:18] <Jucato> !ghost
[12:18] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[12:26] <archangelpetro> kubuntu users can use the standard ubuntu repos right?
[12:27] <Jucato> archangelpetro: they don't really have any other choice :)
[12:27] <Jucato> kubuntu uses the same repos :)
[12:27] <archangelpetro> ah, i vaguely remember there being 'kubuntu' specific stuff
[12:27] <archangelpetro> btw, hi again jucato :) it's been too long
[12:28] <Jucato> yeah. too long :)
[12:28] <Jucato> well there's the kubuntu.org repo for KDE updates
[12:28] <archangelpetro> ok, and you'd recommend kubuntu over ubuntu?
[12:28] <Jucato> but lately we've been using a different system (PPA's)
[12:28] <archangelpetro> oh?
[12:28] <Jucato> well, since it's KDE, yes. I'd recommend Kubuntu over Ubuntu :)
[12:28] <archangelpetro> and with regard to stability etc?
[12:29] <archangelpetro> does kubuntu have all the add/remove program features of ubuntu?
[12:29] <Jucato> yep.
[12:29] <Jucato> it has now
[12:29] <archangelpetro> :0
[12:29] <Jucato> stability, as long as you stay away from KDE 4 for the meantime
[12:29] <archangelpetro> awesome
[12:29] <archangelpetro> ok, and the latest stable of kubuntu doestn have kde4, right?
[12:30] <snowolf> no
[12:30] <Jucato> not by default
[12:30] <Jucato> you can install it
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> 7.10? not by default,though you can get it from a PPA
[12:31] <archangelpetro> ok, ill get kubuntu :d
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !kdm
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !kdmtheme
[12:53] <ubotu> To customize your !KDM theme, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu - However, see http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/kdmtheme.html for working around bug #132723 (http://tinyurl.com/2prhgc)
[12:57] <archangelpetro> know of any free image burning software for windows?
[12:58] <Tecmi> archangelpetro: imgburn
[12:59] <Darkside> hey, i'm having a go with smbfs, and i'm working on setting up a smb share in fstab
[13:00] <Darkside> i don't want it to mount on boot tho, as i might not be connected to the correct network all the time
[13:00] <Darkside> /viper/ /home/darkside/viper/ smb user,noauto,username=guest,password=guest 0 0
[13:00] <Darkside> apart from having a double // at the start, is there anything else i should be putting on that line?
[13:08] <nick_> someone here ?
[13:08] <nick_> do he have a way to install .rpm in kubuntu
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> yes nick_
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> !rpm
[13:08] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[13:08] <Jucato> (too slow...)
[13:08] <nick_> because open office complete  and languauge pack is in .rpm
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> You can install those from Adept, can't you?
[13:09] <Jucato> nick_: we have packages for OpenOffice
[13:09] <nick_> yes but its not the last version
[13:09] <Jucato> language packs too
[13:09] <nick_> ok i keep this one then
[13:09] <nick_> thanks
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> He wants the very latest version.
[13:09] <Sir_Corgi> The one in Adept isn't.
[13:10] <Sir_Corgi> For some reason.
[13:10] <Sir_Corgi> Same way with Gimp, I think.
[13:10] <nick_> and for xfire how i can get in kubuntu ?
[13:10] <Jucato> at least not the one in Gutsy perhaps
[13:17] <nick_> someone know for xfire ?
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> nick
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> nick_: 2.4 didn't really add that many features
[13:28] <anais> gddddg
[13:29] <anais> hello
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> hello
[13:30] <reese> along with the new version of ubuntu in april, is a new version of kubuntu coming out?
[13:30] <jussi01> yes
[13:30] <jussi01> !khardy
[13:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[13:30] <reese> !khardy
[13:30] <reese> ok, thanks
[13:31] <anais> spanich
[13:32] <anais> hello
[13:32] <snowolf> hi anais
[13:32] <jussi01> anais: can we help you?
[13:33] <anais> hello
[13:33] <anais> yes
[13:33] <reese> another question: is there a generic way to restablish all initial configuration of a program?
[13:33] <snowolf> r
[13:33] <jussi01> reese: delete or rename the .programname folde
[13:33] <reese> if i reinstall a program, it will still have all old configuration
[13:34] <snowolf> reese: dpkg-reconfigure ?
[13:34] <reese> ok, thanks
[13:34] <anais> yes
[13:36] <anais> I no speak inglish
[13:36] <jussi01> anais: what language?
[13:36] <anais> spanish
[13:36] <jussi01> !es
[13:36] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:38] <filemover> hi im after the package that contains the which command can anyone help thanks
[13:38] <filemover> "which"
[13:39] <Jucato> filemover: try debianutils
[13:39] <filemover> ok thnx
[13:39] <rom> hi
[13:39] <rom> could you help me please? : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[13:45] <eldaria> Anybody here who is good at using Kivio?
[13:45] <filemover> your right jucato its in there. the reason i asked is because im running alsaconf and it complains about not finding "which" and I thought if I knew what package it came from Id be able to compile it in LFS anyway thnx for the help
[13:46] <Jucato> eldaria: you might find someone in #koffice
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> rom: add that line to the Mouse 0 section
[13:47] <eldaria> Jucato: ok, Thanks I will go and have a look there. :-)
[13:48] <rom> nosrednaekim: I tried
[13:48] <rom> doesn't work
[13:48] <rom> always "add SHMConfig true" when I launch gsynaptics
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> rom: in any case, since that is hardy, go to #ubuntu+1
[13:48] <rom> arf there is no #kubuntu+1
[13:49] <jpatrick> rom: it's #ubuntu+1
[13:49] <crazy_bus> does kde or kubuntu have a way to test if usb ports are detected.  My ports won't recognise anything thats put in them
[13:49] <rom> ;)
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: you sure? run lsusb
[13:49] <jpatrick> crazy_bus: try: dmesg after you pull it in
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: pull it in.... heh :)
[13:51] <jpatrick> plug it in
[13:51]  * jpatrick in middle of hardy upgrade
[13:52] <matt___> i have a "server" downstairs with no monitor hooked up to it, I was wondering if I could using something like (vnc?) to connect to it from upstairs to work on it.
[13:52] <crazy_bus> lsusb comes up with three devices such as Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000: 0000
[13:53] <crazy_bus> however there are only two usb ports on the back of this motherboard (old 2002 motherboard I just installed)
[13:54] <ere4si> matt__: I do that with vnc to a headless box
[13:54] <matt___> i have a "server" downstairs with no monitor hooked up to it, I was wondering if I could using something like (vnc?) to connect to it from upstairs to work on it. I simply am wondering how i could do this, and since I don't have a monitor hooked up downstairs (ok, I can hook one up to setup everything, but what about when i need to connect? will the computer downstairs need to "click" and "confirms"?
[13:54] <crazy_bus> jpatrick: dmesg says things like; usbcore:registered new interface driver usbfs; usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[13:55] <ere4si> !vnc | matt try reading this
[13:55] <ubotu> matt try reading this: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: and what does lsusb say?
[13:56] <matt___> kkeumm...thanks
[13:57] <matt___> ere4si: so can i use vncviewer in kde with no problems?
[13:57] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: lsusb comes up with three devices such as Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000: 0000
[13:58] <ere4si> matt__: sure - I was yesterday :)
[13:58] <nosrednaekim> but nothin attached to those busses?
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> for example
[13:59] <ere4si> matt__: there are plenty of guides on the net
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 062a:0000 Creative Labs Optical Mouse
[13:59] <ere4si> matt__: but feel free to ask questions here :)
[14:00] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no they don't say anything like that even though there's a usb stick in one of the two ports
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: not good..... do you have any other usb devices that we can test with?
[14:01] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: four different memory sticks and a usb mouse
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> none of them are detected?
[14:02] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: is this a really really new computer?
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> (like past month, with top of the line Hardware)
[14:06] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: no.  Really old :)  It's my old computer which I have to used due to a faulty motherboard in the other one.  Motherboard was just installed but is from 2002
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> ah... is it  SIS?
[14:07] <andy__> hey anyone used ipodlinux?
[14:08] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: not sure what SIS is.  The motherboard is a MAINBOARD AK32 and has Spacewalker and via part
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> ah...VIA
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> sis is a chipset maker
[14:10] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: processor is AMD, graphics is ATI if that helps
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> crazy_bus: could you pastebin the results of "lspci"\
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[14:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:14] <crazy_bus> the site is telling me I appear to be spamming and to enable javascript.  I thought konqueror didn't block javascript
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:15] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: www.pastebin.ca/962104
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> ?
[14:16] <bascule> yeah, that is old harware, should work
[14:17] <bascule> crazy_bus: after plugging in a USB stick, wait 20 seconds, then paste the last 20 lines of dmesg in pastebin
[14:18] <theperryfamily> in synaptic there is an option to "Consider recommended packages as dependencies"...is there a same option available in adept?
[14:19] <Jucato> theperryfamily: not that I know of. no
[14:20] <crazy_bus> bascule: I checked dmesg before and after but there didn't seem to be a difference.  Here is the last 20 or so lines like you asked for www.pastebin.ca/962109
[14:21] <bascule> it just doesn't seem to be detecting the USB being plugged at all
[14:22] <rom> nosrednaekim: I added SHMConfig "true" in mouse0 section
[14:22] <rom> doesn't work :(
[14:22] <bascule> crazy_bus: I reckon those ports are dead
[14:22] <theperryfamily> Jucato: is there a way to ensure that by installing programs by simply selecting the programs themselves in adept that I won't need to track down and install other files etc?
[14:23] <Jucato> theperryfamily: that's how APT (which both Adept and Synaptic use) works
[14:23] <Jucato> the option you mentioned has nothing to do with that
[14:23] <crazy_bus> bascule: is there anyway to get usb on that machine if they are dead?
[14:24] <rom> when I launch compiz, some icons are detached from systray, do you have this problem?
[14:24] <bascule> crazy_bus: you can get PCI cards
[14:24] <Hamra> maybe a front USB bus attached to the USB pins in the board, if there is such pins in the mobo?
[14:24] <Jucato> rom: #compiz-fusion
[14:25] <rom> yes but it's only on kde
[14:25] <rom> so on compiz-fusion they will tell "#kde"...
[14:25] <bascule> Hamra: may well work, boards that age may not have the facility though
[14:26] <Jucato> rom: they might know of a solution, because it's basically compiz that is making it behave that way
[14:26] <theperryfamily> Jucato: I had always used synaptic and selected that option just to make sure the programs I installed  would work correctly as I'm not as affluent with linux as I'd like to be as of yet...is there any benefit of using that option from the standpoint of ensuring the program works? or is it just like low level advertising of sorts...if you like Coke, you might like Pepsi etc?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> theperryfamily: you mean for between adept and synaptic?
[14:27] <crazy_bus> bascule and Hamra it has two places to put front and back port plugs into.  However my front port plugs are mixed up.  They sort of fell apart and I don't know which order they go in.  Also I have a old backport card thing that plugs into the usbpart of the motherboard.  However it has 9 pin holes while the motherboard has 10pins?
[14:27] <Jucato> theperryfamily: that option (consider recommends as depends) works this way: APT: oh you're buying Coke? might I recommend a <snack> for you?.. if you enable it, it goes like this: "Oh you're buying Coke. Here's a snack that should come with it" :D
[14:28] <vhozard> someone i can help?
[14:28] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: he's asking about the "Consider recommends as dependencies"
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: ah.... aptitute type functionality... didn't know synaptic could do that
[14:28] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: there's an option. and apt-get can do that too
[14:28] <Dr_willis> ive noticed that on some packages.. thers some weird 'reccomendations' :)
[14:29] <Jucato> theperryfamily: in short. some packages "recommend" others... sort of like suggestions for a better expereince (supposedly). they're not necessary
[14:29] <bascule> crazy_bus: 9 vs 10 : you mean there is a blank/missing pin? usb needs  4 pins per channel + and - signal and + and - voltage
[14:29] <Jucato> theperryfamily: but that Synaptic option makes those recommendations as if they were necessary and installs them
[14:29] <theperryfamily> oh ok...thank you...the reason I ask is that I am trying to become more knowledgeable about the way I use linux etc...thanks again for the help
[14:30] <crazy_bus> bascule: 10 pins on the mboard but one pin hole filed in on ther old back usbport card
[14:30] <bascule> hmmmm
[14:30] <bascule> and the 10 pins on the board are definitely USB ?
[14:31] <crazy_bus> Pretty sure.  The manual says so
[14:31] <sudobash> maybe you have that usb turned off in BIOS
[14:31] <sudobash> or the CMOS i mean
[14:31] <bascule> crazy_bus: well that is conclusive to me
[14:31] <theperryfamily> while I'm here, and I don't mean to start any fights by asking (lol) but just curious as to what people find to be the best torrent client for use in kubuntu that has a GUI? ktorrent? deluge? azureus? etc
[14:32] <sudobash> utorrent with wine work great for me
[14:32] <sudobash> azureus work well also
[14:32] <sudobash> works*
[14:32] <crazy_bus> sudobash: usb is enabled in the BIOS.  I've looked at everyother option and couldn't find anything that would effect usb, besides plug and play which I experimented with
[14:32] <Jucato> ktorrent works fine and installed by default and is a KDE app :)
[14:33] <bascule> ktorrent is very good
[14:33] <Jucato> theperryfamily: the *best* is what works for that person. so you'll not get 100% objective answers :)
[14:33] <sudobash> so you think it is an issue with linux?
[14:33] <bascule> !best
[14:33] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[14:33] <sudobash> try this... boot something off livecd and see if the usb works
[14:33] <crazy_bus> bascule: the manual says "Extended four USB Connector Header" in case that is any difference
[14:33] <theperryfamily> ktorrent was default, but seems to use a lot of RAM etc...looking for a more efficient client etc
[14:33] <sudobash> utorrent in wine
[14:34] <sudobash> but you will have to click the little icon to bring it back up from minimized
[14:34] <crazy_bus> sudobash: did it just before in two livecds.  Didn't know I plugged anything in
[14:34] <bascule> crazy_bus: have you got the exact manufacturer and model (should be on the manual front cover)
[14:34] <Hamra> utorrent in wine, real small, and nice gui
[14:34] <sudobash> yeap
[14:35] <crazy_bus> bascule: MAINBOARD AK32    It also says Shuttle on the front cover which I think is the brand
[14:35] <bascule> is it a cube?
[14:35] <bascule> like small case thing
[14:35] <theperryfamily> thanks everyone for your help
[14:35] <bascule> welcome
[14:35] <sudobash> maybe that usb is busted... or you may have to set a jumper to turn it on if it is an old motherboad
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> or maybe its 1.1 and some of these 2,0  devices don;t support it
[14:36] <sudobash> maybe
[14:36] <crazy_bus> bascule: quite small case.
[14:36] <sudobash> so get an old usb mouse and try it in a live cd
[14:36] <crazy_bus> nosrednaekim: they do work in usb 1.1  I only just had the a usb1.1 mboard in it and the same devices worked
[14:37] <benpicco> Hi, can I get konqueror not to use paths like system:/media but just /media?
[14:37] <sudobash> then my best bet is: check bios, check jumpers, if 5 livecd's dont work... busted
[14:38] <sudobash> try BackTrack 3
[14:38] <benpicco> accessing system:/media/foo/ paths causes not only preview problems but also problems with some programms (okular) - and it's not possible to copy&paste it (no other programm understand it)
[14:38] <sudobash> and BartPE try anything that has usb mouse support
[14:39] <bascule> crazy_bus: can't get the manual off the site, throws a 425 error ..
[14:39] <Hamra> i've been wondering the same question as benpicco, the old feisty way
[14:39] <JoshOvki> Say i was to boot up a live CD and install madwifi, how would i get it to work without restarting my machine? (which of course would loose everything cause its not saved)
[14:40] <Dr_willis> JoshOvki,  save the downloaded packages to a thumbdrive or someplace. is one way
[14:41] <JoshOvki> Dr_willis: but then when i reboot the OS wouldnt know to run the program
[14:41] <JoshOvki> im tryin 2 get my wifi working on a live disk
[14:41] <Dr_willis> you have to manually reinstall the packages.. but you dont have to redownload them.
[14:41] <JoshOvki> without building my own live disk
[14:42] <JoshOvki> its not the redownloading them thats the issue, its getting them to run. like madwifi usualy needs a restart afterwards to get the wifi to loadup
[14:42] <Dr_willis> The ubuntu live cd is rather basic in many ways compared to other disrto-live cd's
[14:42] <Dr_willis> make a script on the thumbdrive you run that sets it all up.
[14:43] <JoshOvki> hmm might b worth a try
[14:44] <sudobash> josh0vki you should be able to mount the hd and save any work... but the madwifi is drivers and it was placed in the system of the livecd (ram)
[14:44] <sudobash> are drivers*
[14:45] <sudobash> so find a way to create an image of the system ram and restore to that image on livecd every time (make your own livecd)
[14:45] <JoshOvki> hmm
[14:45] <bascule> crazy_bus: http://zone.ni.com/cms/images/devzone/tut/a/276b8d1a859.gif <-- is that what you have on the board? or does it have 2 less pins
[14:46] <crazy_bus> bascule: I have two of those on the board with that number of pins
[14:46] <JoshOvki> sudobash: so installing the OS to a flashdrive should do it ok?
[14:46] <sudobash> Josh0vki if you just want wifi support on live cd just use Back|track
[14:46] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of neat progress done with live cd's and  using usb thumbdriver ive noticed. :)  but ubuntu is lacking comared to slax, puppylinux, and others in that area.
[14:47] <sudobash> yes
[14:47] <sudobash> yes slax.... Back|track 3
[14:47] <Dr_willis> theres different wayt to 'install' to a usb drive. some  make a live-cd system that boots off the usb drive. other ways actually do a real install.
[14:47] <JoshOvki> sudobash, i did try backtrack but my wifi needs a specificly patched version of madwifi
[14:47] <sudobash> ahhh
[14:47] <Dr_willis> the latest slax was the easiest disrto ive seen to get working off a usb drive.
[14:47] <sudobash> yeap "Install" to flashdrive
[14:48] <sudobash> bootloader and all
[14:48] <JoshOvki> yeh i shall do that
[14:48] <JoshOvki> just need 2 dig out my 4gb pen drive
[14:48] <bascule> crazy_bus: and the actual back plate has 2 less I guess? Are the leads for the plate in a plastic block or loose?
[14:49] <sudobash> that should be a nice install
[14:49] <crazy_bus> the back plate is from a old mother board and has 1 less.  The leads for the plate are in a plastic block
[14:49] <crazy_bus> bascule: ^
[14:50] <bascule> hmmm. to dodgy, if you miss wire USB you can pop the devices
[14:50] <sudobash> let me get one of those LjL ;-)
[14:50] <bascule> miswire not wiss wire :)
[14:50] <crazy_bus> bascule: the front ones are loose.  I'll try and put them on and not blow it up
[14:50] <LjL> actually i got opped in the wrong channel
[14:50] <sudobash> hehe
[14:50] <bascule> crazy_bus: it generally goes from the missing pin onwards: black, gree, white, red
[14:51] <bascule> but sometimes the other side is backwards, sometimes the same ..
[14:52] <crazy_bus> bascule: in my one black is 1 and green is 7 so they wouldn't go next to each other? would they?
[14:53] <bascule> follow the manual .. :)
[14:54] <crazy_bus> bascule: the wires have a tag on them saying what colour is what number
[14:55] <bascule> hmmm, don't think I have ever seen that they are usually labeled, vcc+ vcc- +5 and gnd on the attatchment plugs
[14:56] <crazy_bus> bascule: mine also have a similar thing like that with gnd and vcc, no vcc- though
[14:57] <bascule> if you have the manual for the header layout you are good
[14:57] <nonewmsgs> how large is a large / partition asssuming a higher than average size with kde/xfce/gnome, and many programs
[14:57] <Ashex> I've paired my blackberry to my laptop
[14:57] <Ashex> but for some reason I can't send files to it
[14:57] <bascule> nonewmsgs: 15 is plenty 10 does me fine
[14:58] <Ashex> the obex object push client doesn't list the device
[14:58] <Dr_willis> Hmmm    Apple has succeeded in massively violating its own EULA,    :)
[14:58] <nonewmsgs> Dr_willis, yes that is funny
[14:58] <Dr_willis> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11268    egads. :)
[14:58] <Hamra> im thinking of making one of my computers act as a local web cache for the rest, but is it easy to set up? and what software do i need?
[14:58] <bascule> how so Dr_willis (nice to hear you again)
[14:58] <yovan> hi guys
[14:59] <nonewmsgs> bascule, safari eula says it must be run on apple hardware
[14:59] <Dr_willis>  :)
[14:59] <yovan> can anybody tell me how to install amorak on windows
[14:59] <Dr_willis> and its the eula shown during the windows installer. heh
[14:59] <Dr_willis> yovan,  dident think that was even possible at this time
[14:59] <nonewmsgs> yovan, i would recomend foobar for windows
[15:00] <Dr_willis> i did just install the apple sarari browser on my windows box to test it out also. :) all i can say.. it works.. i dont see any thing special about it. :)
[15:00] <yovan> thanks
[15:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i would recommend not windows, personally, but yeah, foobar is your best bet until amarok 2.0
[15:01] <crazy_bus> bascule: my number seven pin says D1-  however the mboard manual says it should be ground.  Should I still use it?
[15:01] <bascule> that is a laughable oversite by their lawyers .. *chuckle*
[15:01] <bascule> crazy_bus: what colour? if it is black yes
[15:01] <crazy_bus> bascule: it's green
[15:02] <bascule> the is signal ground
[15:02] <bascule> that*
[15:02] <yovan> what i like with amorak is the radio stream
[15:02] <yovan> can foobar do it
[15:02] <crazy_bus> bascule: so I put it on?
[15:02] <Daisuke_Ido> shoutcast and a collection of others.  foobar or winamp can do the same
[15:02] <bascule> well try it crazy_bus :)
[15:03] <bascule> it can't go to far wrong, but I have seen devices pop
[15:03] <crazy_bus> bascule: I bet it will blow up :)
[15:03] <nonewmsgs> it is neat to see people asking about linux programs for windows instead of the reverse for a change
[15:03] <bascule> smoke of the south bridge ...
[15:03] <bascule> usually the wire melts first, so you will know
[15:03] <bascule> nat that that is uch reassurance :)
[15:04] <yovan> well said dude
[15:04] <yovan> i am a newbee but in love with linux
[15:07] <nainef> hey hey
[15:07] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[15:08] <nainef> anyone having issues with 804 x64?
[15:08] <Hamra> if a program is provided as binary for some distros and ubuntu is not available, should the one for debian work well? or is it better to get it as source code?
[15:08] <bascule> well it's beta, so I would think so :)
[15:08] <crazy_bus> bascule: 9 is labeled NC and 4 KEY on the label holding the wired together.  But there are no wires for those.  Does it mean anything?
[15:08] <nainef> yea I get everything I deserve :)
[15:09] <JGleich> hi.  i've an KDE/OpenSuse box that  I'm considering switching to Kubuntu.  Any _objective_ comments here as to why I shouldn't consider it? And, is there a good HowTo for switching distros, particularly across "cores" -- i.e., from SuSE to Debian-based *buntu?
[15:09] <bascule> crazy_bus: not that I know of, key is usually referring to the missing pin in a block though
[15:09] <artur__> does anyone here can tell me for what the signal USR1 is used? Like in the command " kill -s USR1 1234 "
[15:10] <bascule> crazy_bus: you know like ide has a missing pin so it can only go one way, hence 'key' pin
[15:10] <crazy_bus> bascule: also I'm meant to have a purple wire and a blue wire.  Both look exactly the same :(
[15:11] <Hamra> i usuall use the key pin to know if im holding the manual upside down :P
[15:11] <PhilRod> artur__: man signal
[15:11] <PhilRod> (which just says that it's a "user signal", so presumably you can have it do what you like
[15:12] <crazy_bus> bascule: one is power one is ground.  I'd better go to sleep (2am) before I blow it up.  Thanks for all your and everyone elses help.
[15:12] <bascule> crazy_bus: blus and purple on USB, never seen that
[15:12] <bascule> crazy_bus: OK, do it when awake is the best way
[15:12]  * nainef will return after he reinstalls the os heheh (this time the 7.10v)
[15:13] <crazy_bus> bascule: or give it to your hardware minder next door neighbor to help you with it :)
[15:13] <artur__> PhilRod: "User-defined signal 1"
[15:13] <bascule> yes do that
[15:13] <artur__> PhilRod: thnks for the hint, but this i did before...but didn't help me
[15:14] <PhilRod> artur__: yes, I imagine that means that there's no system-defined action for this signal (as there is with, eg SIGKILL - the kernel just kills the process)
[15:15] <PhilRod> so you can just use the function for trapping a signal (whatever it's called - I don't remember), and have it do what you want
[15:15] <kraaner> hey..  can u tell me a good video player for estobuntu ..
[15:15] <PhilRod> artur__: why are you asking?
[15:15] <PhilRod> what's estobuntu?
[15:16] <kraaner> its eee.. linux:D  based kubuntu or ubuntu :
[15:16] <Jucato> didn't I already point you to #ubuntu-estonia ?
[15:16] <kraaner> dont now...  thank u
[15:17] <crazy_bus> bascule: one last question before I sleep.  I suppose you don't know anyway of getting warrenty from asus without using the retailer you bought it off.  I've been using this old computer for 6 months because my new computers motherboard is broken and the retailer keeps ripping me off (claiming nothing is wrong and charging a service fee and not sending the board to asus) while the board is...
[15:17] <crazy_bus> ...definatly broken since I got a signed third opinion from a local computer repair person
[15:18] <bascule> crazy_bus: unfortunately in 'retail' as opposed to 'resell' the retailer is expected to cover the warranty, the retialer also has 'the right to repair' but this is UK law I am talking about here
[15:19] <BluesKaj> send it to asus with a copy of the third party opinion , but call them first to make sure they will accept it and emphasize the lack of co-operation from the retailer
[15:20] <sudobash> google is black
[15:20] <crazy_bus> BluesKaj: they said they only didn't do warranty directly to customers when I explained by email.  Do you think calling them would be different?
[15:20] <Jucato> offtopic btw :)
[15:21] <Sir_Corgi> sudobash: Yes.  Yes it is.
[15:21] <sudobash> why?
[15:21] <sudobash> i wodner
[15:21] <sudobash> wonder
[15:21] <crazy_bus> Just wanted to get it off my mind so I can sleep.  Sorry for any disturbances
[15:22] <Sir_Corgi> It's their way of advertising conservation awareness.
[15:23] <kraaner> dem.. how i can get video codecs
[15:23] <Hamra> what do you mean google is black?
[15:23] <Kryczek> Hi! Does anybody else have problems with kio_http these days?
[15:24] <Kryczek> I was under Kubuntu 7, and I installed KDE 3.5.9 thanks to the 3rd party repository given on kubuntu.org
[15:24] <Kryczek> it worked perfectly
[15:24] <Sir_Corgi> Hamra:  Google's homepage is black.  They inversed the colors.
[15:24] <Kryczek> but a few days later, many updates were available, mostly for KDE packages
[15:25] <Kryczek> so I installed them, and after that, Konqueror, Kopete etc stopped working for anything using HTTP
[15:25] <Dr_willis> google.com --> We've turned the lights out. Now it's your turn - Earth Hour.
[15:26] <Kryczek> I tried to downgrade to KDE 3.5.8 in vain, so I upgraded everything to Kubuntu 8
[15:26] <Kryczek> and it worked, until yesterday: many KDE packages to upgrade again
[15:26] <Sir_Corgi> They're doing it despite the fact that a black screen does not conserve energy (unless it's off :p)
[15:26] <Kryczek> and after that, same problem: Konqueror and Kopete fail to use HTTP
[15:26] <bascule> yes it is beta Kryczek, goto #ubuntu+1
[15:26] <crazy_bus> google doesn't go black for me.  Is that only in certain countries?
[15:26] <Kryczek> bascule: what is beta? KDE 3.5.9 or Kubuntu 8 ?
[15:27] <Jucato> crazy_bus: front page only. www.google.com
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> iGoogle is still white
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> Classic Home is black
[15:27] <crazy_bus> when I go to that with classic home it still isn't black
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> but they usually stagger it according to timezones
[15:28] <Sir_Corgi> It's only one the homepage of google.com,  google.co.uk... I would imagine on all the English language ones.
[15:28] <bascule> Kryczek: 8 is beta
[15:29] <crazy_bus> ah .co.uk is black.  Must be white here because it's sunday
[15:29] <Kryczek> bascule: sorry if i wasnt clear (english is not my mother tongue ;p ) but i had the very same problem under Kubuntu 7
[15:29] <Kryczek> i upgraded to 8 as a solution
[15:30] <Kryczek> but then the same thing happened
[15:30] <bascule> I see, well I don't seem to have kio_http problems, so dunno, but if you ar on 8 currently goto #ubuntu+1
[15:31] <Sir_Corgi> crazy_bus: Didn't even think about that.  It *was* only for a day.
[15:31] <Sir_Corgi> I rather like it.
[15:31] <Hamra> i was seeing google cached probably, i can see it black now using a proxy
[15:33] <confrey> hi everybody
[15:33] <confrey> I need some help about bluetooth
[15:34] <confrey> I've installed kubuntu 7.10, and upgraded to 3.5.9, but I can't connect my cellphone to pc by bt
[15:43] <PAdAM> halo?
[15:43] <PhilRod> popular xbox game
[15:46] <Hamra> how can i make the storage media button to open "/media" instead of "system:/media"? like feisty used to do.
[15:50] <vit> hola q tal
[15:50] <vit> çsaludos
[15:50] <jpatrick> !es | vit
[15:50] <ubotu> vit: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:53] <rom> salut
[15:53] <rom> j'ai besoin d'ide pour installer un truc manuellement (à compiler)
[15:53] <rom> lors du ./configure:
[15:53] <jpatrick> !fr | rom
[15:53] <ubotu> rom: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[15:53] <rom> youps
[15:53] <Hamra> !fr
[15:53] <rom> sorry
[15:53] <rom> I thought I was on ubuntu-fr
[15:54] <Hamra> np
[15:55] <confrey> anybody using kdebluetooth in kubuntu gutsy?
[15:58] <rom> yes, I did
[15:58] <rom> kbluetooth
[16:00] <fox> el link para kubunto en español
[16:00] <fox> kubuntu español
[16:00] <Matt1728> what's the amarok library that lets you listen to mp3 and m4a?
[16:00] <Hamra> !es
[16:00] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[16:00] <Matt1728> !mp3
[16:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:01] <lanoxx> Matt1728: libxine1-plugin
[16:01] <lanoxx> i think
[16:01] <lanoxx> libxine1-plugins
[16:02] <Matt1728> kk thanks
[16:03] <Matt1728> does it support m4a?
[16:03] <TOmMM> Meh, am I the only one who can't get Ndiswrapper GUI to open ? 0_o
[16:03] <lanoxx> afaik its a meta package that installes various codecs
[16:03] <Matt1728> kk
[16:05] <TOmMM> I guess nobody else has the problem then -_-
[16:05] <Matt1728> for konqueror?
[16:05] <carlos> ?
[16:05] <carlos> ?
[16:05] <carlos> ?
[16:06] <confrey> rom I can't use it, can you help me?
[16:06] <rom> maybe
[16:06] <rom> depending of your problem
[16:06] <confrey> I've installed kubuntu gutsy and kde3.5.9
[16:07] <confrey> I can't send and receive files from /to pc and cellphone
[16:08] <rom> from pc to tel, it works for me
[16:08] <rom> from tel to pc it doesn't work :(
[16:08] <rom> just "send file", choose your phono, and "send"
[16:08] <rom> s/phono/phone/
[16:12] <TOmMM> When I open ndisgtk on KDE I get this error : sh: network-admin: not found
[16:12] <TOmMM> any help
[16:13] <techbw> hi all.
[16:15] <techbw> I have just upgraded to hordy i think 8.04 beta, and I get a ghost effect on my mouse pointer, anyone have any idea on how to get it right, to get into kde I had to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[16:15] <Matt1728> is there an new stable kubuntu?
[16:15] <algyz> techbw:  visit #ubuntu+1
[16:16] <techbw> am not using ubuntu, am using kubuntu
[16:16] <algyz> techbw:  don't use beta, use released version
[16:17] <Matt1728> is everyone using KDE4?
[16:17] <algyz> :D sure not everyone, at least not me
[16:17] <techbw> on the upgrade option it only had one option, I am not sure that this is a beta, how do I check ... read some command before upgrading to check version is capable of the upgrade
[16:18] <algyz> techbw:  visit #ubuntu+1
[16:18] <Matt1728> did they take k9copy off kubuntu it wont install
[16:19] <techbw> I am there now, why should I visit #ubuntu+1
[16:19] <techbw> just asked the same question there
[16:19] <confrey> rom: ok, I solved, now I can send anda receive from pc and cell
[16:19] <rom> \o/
[16:19] <rom> phone to pc
[16:19] <rom> too?
[16:20] <algyz> techbw:  my sugestion - don't use beta versions
[16:20] <techbw> so I take it 8.04 is still in beta?
[16:21] <algyz> techbw:  you're right, so I would offer to use kubuntu 7.10 ;)
[16:21] <Hamra> C compiler can not create executables. does this mean gcc is not installed or something else?
[16:21] <techbw> It won't install on this machine, tried installing, have the discs but for some reason does not install
[16:23] <techbw> the discs are ok, as I used them on other pc's only on this old laptop...it does not work
[16:23] <algyz> techbw:  try alternate disc
[16:24] <confrey> rom: yes, both directions
[16:24] <confrey> rom: with konqueror, pointing to bluetotth:/
[16:25] <techbw> don't have enough bandwidth to download, and I am situated in an area where linux is not used by many people.  don't know where I could get alternative discs
[16:25] <algyz> techbw:  just download .iso
[16:26] <Hamra> 7.10 doesnt work, and 8.04 works?
[16:26] <carlos> /
[16:27] <carlos> /
[16:28] <techbw> I can't not enough bandwidth, internet costs a fortune here.
[16:29] <DarkriftX> Hamra, i think that means you need binutils (or something close) because i had an error liek that once that gcc could not build binary files
[16:29] <dorkface> I just had a thought.  Would it make a system slightly more secure if one were to alias "sudo" to something else?
[16:29] <techbw> well anyways I am going to do a reboot, and hope the ghost effect will not appear again, looks like after changing mouse theme, it has stopped ghost effect, except on kmenu.
[16:29] <DarkriftX> only if the world knows your password
[16:33] <ubuntu> Hallo zusammen
[16:34] <algyz> !de | ubuntu
[16:34] <ubotu> ubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:34] <mrpea> ich bin drin, oder was? ;-)
[16:35] <algyz> mrpea:  Hitler kaput, go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:37] <mrpea> hi romuloo
[16:37] <mrpea> wie denn jetzt? :-)
[16:41] <jcgkffycs> is there a way for me to get kubuntu to mount a cd when it put it in the cd tray, but not open up a new window?
[16:41] <a-v> Hi. I want to ask those having Ubuntu 7.10 i386 and qt4 installed to run "ldd /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4" and paste the output somewhere (e.g. pastebin.com). Thank you :)
[16:42] <jcgkffycs> selecting do nothing in kde doesn't do anything at all, exactly what it says, but I don't want a new window to always open up, I just want it auto mounted.
[16:47] <Tommstein> fellows, i broke kde trying compiz. i installed it, found it too slow, removed it, and now alt+tab doesn't pop up the list of windows to change to any more, it just goes to the next window immediately. can anyone help?
[16:47] <DarkriftX> wow, ill never buy creative anymore http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/03/29/046201.shtml (if they pull that crap, you know they will fight linux drivers)
[16:49] <wesley_> wich pakages do i need to tar packes ?
[16:52] <fdoving> wesley_: tar
[16:52] <Ashex> motherfreaking bluetooth
[16:52] <Ashex> pancake
[16:52] <Ashex> pancake
[16:52] <Ashex> blueberry
[16:52]  * Ashex shakes his fist angrily at his blackberry
[16:52] <wesley_> i meen to built a program
[16:52] <a-v> please :|
[16:53] <fdoving> wesley_: untar and make?
[16:53] <Ashex> wesley_, to compile a progrem
[16:53] <Ashex> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[16:53] <fdoving> !b-e | wesley_
[16:53] <ubotu> wesley_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[16:53] <Ashex> that's an interesting trigger to use
[16:54] <fdoving> Ashex: it is, it's the initials of the package 'build-essential' which is a meta-package to the essential build-stuff.
[16:54] <Ashex> ah, i see
[16:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[16:55] <Ace2016> i think i just broke my google
[16:55] <Ace2016> google.co.uk has a black background
[16:55] <Ashex> why does bluetooth have to be such a pain in the ass
[16:56] <NickPresta> DarkriftX, wow. Creative just loss me as a potential customer too
[16:56] <fdoving> Ashex: what are you trying to do? - i have success with using my phone as modem. that's about what i do with bluetooth. but it just works. :)
[16:56] <Ashex> I'm trying to send files to my blackberry
[16:57] <Ashex> I can receive files without any trouble
[16:57] <DarkriftX> isnt that some crap?
[16:57] <DarkriftX> i didnt real all 1200 replies, but i scanned every page
[16:57] <Ashex> But sending files doesn't work worth diddly
[16:57] <NickPresta> DarkriftX, it is asinine. As far as I can tell, that Daniel K guy was the sole reason people continued to buy and use Creative cards on Vista
[16:57] <DarkriftX> no reply from them and probably about 800 of the posts are from new users who registered just to say they wont buy creative anymore
[16:57] <Ashex> all the threads I have read so far mention restarting the services and the phone
[16:57] <DarkriftX> exactly
[16:57] <DarkriftX> charging for drivers is pathetic anyways
[16:58] <Ashex> problem with blackberries, they never actually turn off, they just go to sleep
[16:58] <DarkriftX> they already recieved money for the product, why should they recieve for the method to make it work
[16:58] <Ashex> make me want to throw a small child off a bus
[16:59] <edju> wireless works on this hp lap, but can't get the light to work.  tried google and the forums, but no luck.  just on the off chance - anybody with a pointer?
[16:59] <BunnyRevolution> jhutchins: u here?
[16:59] <NickPresta> Ashex, no! Don't do that. :)
[16:59] <DarkriftX> edju, what laptop
[17:00] <edju> DarkriftX, hp dv9720us - atheros chipset.
[17:00] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[17:00] <DarkriftX> sorry, no idea about that one
[17:00] <Ashex> well poop
[17:01] <Ashex> I can't do file transfers unless I either get a microsd card, or get this damn bluetooth working
[17:01] <NickPresta> Ashex, is this on your cell phone?
[17:05] <Ashex> NickPresta, yup
[17:06] <fdoving> Ashex: the sdp:/ kio-slave works nicely for me. that is kde3.
[17:07] <MacAnthony> quick (and possibly retarded) question
[17:07] <Ashex> fdoving, I tried using it
[17:07] <MacAnthony> where are .desktop files supposed to be installed on kde3.5?
[17:07] <Ashex> it launches kbtobexlcient when I select file transfer
[17:08] <Ashex> phone shows up, select file, click send and a message pops up "Error connecting transport"
[17:08] <fdoving> Ashex: i copy using a obex:/ kioslave i think. konqueror only. works iirc.
[17:09] <Ashex> fdoving, when I try that, it doesn't list anything
[17:09] <Ashex> browsing with obex://[mac]
[17:10] <Ashex> just saying "Could not connect to host 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:
[17:10] <Tommstein> guys, why the hell did trying compiz and quickly removing it break kde?
[17:11] <fdoving> Ashex: hum. ok. can't really help you then. not my area really.
[17:11] <Ashex> hehe
[17:11] <Ashex> yeah, I'm going to post in linuxquestions
[17:13] <Ashex> I get a nice error message when using gnome-obex-send
[17:16] <CapsY> any1 therE?
[17:16] <SlimeyPete> yes
[17:16] <kidko> Anybody know how to install a specific package version? I've got the latest version of libqt4-core (4.3.2-0ubuntu3.2) installed, but need 4.3.2-0ubuntu3
[17:16] <BunnyRevolution> ping jhutchins
[17:17] <CapsY> I dont know is my question for here
[17:17] <CapsY> but my PC stuck sometimes
[17:17] <CapsY> usually always when im playing music
[17:18] <CapsY> sometimes it stuck 2-3 times in day simetimes 2-3 times in week
[17:19] <BunnyRevolution> CapsY what program.  what version of kubuntu?
[17:19] <CapsY> kubuntu 7.10 + amarok
[17:19] <CapsY> it just stuck, mouse and keyboard doesnt work
[17:20] <CapsY> and music im playing is repeating every 1 second
[17:20] <BunnyRevolution> the whole computer or just the program amarok
[17:20] <CapsY> whole PC
[17:20] <CapsY> i made a video clip with my phone
[17:20] <CapsY> i can upload it
[17:23] <CapsY> http://88.87.13.144/Files/%d0%92%d0%b8%d0%b4%d0%b5%d0%be001.3gp
[17:24] <CapsY> i cant see anything but you can hear
[17:24] <CapsY> you*
[17:26] <Erickj92> how do i compress files into a tarbals?
[17:27] <NickPresta> Erickj92, `tar cvf Archive.tar files ...
[17:27] <Erickj92> NickPresta, can it be done outside of terminal?
[17:27] <NickPresta> Erickj92, sure, using Ark. Right click on a directory or group of files and there should be 'Compress' somewhere :)
[17:28] <Erickj92> ok
[17:28] <Erickj92> thanks
[17:28] <CapsY> Action -> Compress
[17:28] <NickPresta> Erickj92, in D3lphin > Right Click > Actions > Compress
[17:29] <CapsY> in Konqueror -> Comppresion
[17:29] <CapsY> then u can choose .tar.gz or just .tar and other extensions
[17:30] <Erickj92> is .tar.gz more compressed or what?
[17:30] <DarkriftX> btw Erickj92 tar is not compressed, unless you choose a .?z extension for it there will be no compression
[17:30] <Erickj92> like what it the real difference
[17:30] <DarkriftX> tar is just storage
[17:30] <Erickj92> ohh i see
[17:30] <Erickj92> thanks
[17:30] <NickPresta> Erickj92, think of tar as a way to group files into one Archive
[17:30] <CapsY> any1 know why my PC stucks ?
[17:30] <NickPresta> gzipping that archive will compress it. You can also bzip it (bzip2)
[17:31] <algyz> CapsY:  hardware problems?
[17:31] <CapsY> i dont know
[17:31] <CapsY> Sysinfo for 'CappY': Linux 2.6.22-14-386 running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1665 MHz (3334 bogomips), , RAM: 738/757MB, 168 proc's, 38.16min up
[17:31] <NickPresta> Seems like a fairly average computer. Should run well.
[17:32] <CapsY> maybe only CPU is low, but its not problem
[17:32] <algyz> CapsY:  search for dust, probably problems are in video card, mainboard
[17:32] <CapsY> thanks, i will turn it off in 10min
[17:32] <algyz> CapsY:  check also mainboad, maybe some condensators bad
[17:32] <algyz> I had problems with video card
[17:33] <CapsY> i though the problem is in video too
[17:33] <CapsY> nVIDIA FX 5200
[17:33] <CapsY> running with 'new' drivers
[17:33] <algyz> cooler was bad, so it was quite hot :)
[17:33] <CapsY> my ventilator is running well
[17:34] <algyz> that's why whole computer stucked with win and lin
[17:34] <CapsY> my PC is open at moment
[17:34] <CapsY> all ventilators are running well
[17:34] <algyz> well, what you mean "stuck"?
[17:34] <CapsY> Mouse and keyboard stop working
[17:35] <algyz> for a while?
[17:35] <CapsY> no
[17:35] <CapsY> when i restart its ok
[17:35] <CapsY> http://88.87.13.144/Files/%d0%92%d0%b8%d0%b4%d0%b5%d0%be001.3gp
[17:35] <CapsY> look at that
[17:35] <algyz> restart with what?
[17:35] <CapsY> Restart button at PC
[17:35] <algyz> I'm not profy :)
[17:36] <algyz> this thing happened to me because of video card
[17:36] <CapsY> i will stop it in 5min and clean it
[17:38] <CapsY> see you in 30minutes :) bb
[17:38] <algyz> Well, seems #ubuntu-bg is not very popular :)
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> I installed kommando just to see what it is like. But how do I start it?
[17:48] <elite101> hey
[17:48] <PhilRod> Odd-rationale: Alt+F2 kommando?
[17:49] <elite101> hello?
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> PhilRod: ok.
[17:52] <eagles0513875> hey all
[17:52] <eagles0513875> can someone explain to me the origins of a pnp bios bug
[17:54] <U_Dinlow> Question; I cloned my sons monitor to tv so he can watch movies streamed from my nas, how can i get sound to tv without keep changing wires etc
[17:55] <U_Dinlow> can i just use a cheap splitter ?
[17:55] <elite101> mas?
[17:55] <elite101> nas*
[17:55] <eagles0513875> network attached storage
[17:55] <elite101> hheeh, d'oh
[17:55] <U_Dinlow> linkstation - network storage
[17:56] <eagles0513875> U_Dinlow let me understand what ur doing im guessing u have a flat screen tv and u want to also hook it up to ur computer but not have it as the computers monitor right
[17:56] <JoshOvki> I have a linksys nslu2 that has been flashed to debian with a TV device, so i can stream any of the channels to any of the pcs in the house :)
[17:57] <U_Dinlow> i am able to see the movies on tv as it is cloned - I just need to sort the sound out. At present it comes thropugh pc speakers
[17:57] <eagles0513875> what u would need then is one of those heavy duty not splitters i forgot what they r called
[17:57] <eagles0513875> where u can have tv hooked up cd radio and tape player
[17:57] <eagles0513875> one of those things
[17:58] <JoshOvki> an amplifier / sound system?
[17:58] <eagles0513875> ya
[17:58] <elite101> lol ive got my amp hooked up to my pc hehehe,
[17:59] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:59] <eagles0513875> is ur pc in the car
[17:59] <JoshOvki> same here
[17:59] <elite101> great bass...
[17:59] <U_Dinlow> yeah great! this is in a 5yr olds room
[17:59] <elite101> guitar amp -_-
[17:59] <eagles0513875> U_Dinlow then scratch that idea
[17:59] <eagles0513875> elite101 lol
[17:59] <elite101> latest of kubuntu is 7.10 rite?
[17:59] <JoshOvki> elite101: mine is technicaly a bass amp, as its designed for a bass guitar rather than a lead guitar
[17:59] <elite101> dapper?
[18:00] <elite101> yeah
[18:00] <eagles0513875> U_Dinlow u could keep it somewhere else and just run a cable from it to the room u wnat
[18:00] <eagles0513875> elite101 gutsy
[18:00] <elite101> ohh?
[18:00] <elite101> KDE 4.0?
[18:00] <eagles0513875> elite101 7.10 gutsy
[18:00] <eagles0513875> no thats should be in the repos
[18:00] <elite101> :S
[18:00] <elite101> still @ 7.10
[18:00] <eagles0513875> next one is hardy 8.04 which will have 4.0
[18:00] <elite101> april!
[18:00] <eagles0513875> ya
[18:01] <elite101> lol
[18:01] <eagles0513875> on teh wiki of possible release date is april 24th +- 5 days
[18:01] <elite101> i have 7.10 and fedora core 7 downloaded (yes there is fed8) but im gunna wait for 4.0
[18:01] <U_Dinlow> can you configure kaffeine to use a seperate soundcard to the  rest of the sytem?
[18:01] <elite101> rite now im on windoze because of Waves GTR3(guitar synth prog)
[18:02] <JoshOvki> ive used a simular program, but i dont think it was that one
[18:02] <eagles0513875> elite101 install kubuntu dump winblows and then u can always reinstall when next release comes out
[18:02] <elite101> Riffworks/Guitar rig3/Waves GTR3
[18:02] <elite101> true
[18:02] <JoshOvki> been so long since i last played my guitar or bass
[18:02] <elite101> but all my files i need windows somtimes....
[18:02] <eagles0513875> and u could also compile it from source
[18:02] <eagles0513875> what windows program u use
[18:03] <elite101> well i use torrent alot, and seed so i was going to use kubuntu..
[18:03] <elite101> Waves GTR3 (winz only) Bit (yes i know linux client)
[18:03] <elite101> audicity
[18:03] <eagles0513875> elite101 i have gotten utorren working on kubuntu using wine
[18:03] <elite101> nah..
[18:03] <eagles0513875> audicity works on linux as well
[18:03] <elite101> rather use default
[18:03] <eagles0513875> utorrent works flawlessly with wine
[18:04] <elite101> i know. i was here like 1year ago, every one i knew if gone from last time i was here :(
[18:04] <elite101> if=is sorry
[18:04] <eagles0513875> im coming and going
[18:04] <JoshOvki> awwww
[18:04] <elite101> lol
[18:04] <elite101> every one here i dont know..
[18:04]  * JoshOvki heart starts bleeding
[18:04] <elite101> hehe,
[18:04] <eagles0513875> i got a new laptop for xmas and i tried ot put kubuntu on here gutsy that is but i keep getting a really annoying pnp bios bug
[18:04] <JoshOvki> (which could cause some serious problems)
[18:04] <eagles0513875> which i have no idea how to resolve
[18:05] <elite101> pnp
[18:05] <eagles0513875> im hoping that next release that will be fixed
[18:05] <elite101> mhm,
[18:05] <elite101> flash bios with latest from dealer?
[18:05] <eagles0513875> done
[18:05] <eagles0513875> still a bug
[18:05] <JoshOvki> eagles0513875: mine has a bios bug, but it just carrys on so i dont bother doing anythng with it
[18:05] <elite101> and still
[18:05] <elite101> read some forums? anyone else with same lappy?
[18:05] <eagles0513875> JoshOvki does it load the desktop for u
[18:05] <eagles0513875> elite101 none that ive seen with same laptop
[18:05] <elite101> mhm
[18:05] <eagles0513875> this is an hp tx1308nr tablet
[18:05] <elite101> model?
[18:05] <elite101> brand?
[18:05] <JoshOvki> eagles0513875: yes. im guessing urs doesnt
[18:05] <elite101> ohh
[18:06] <eagles0513875> JoshOvki it will everyonce in a blue moon but on the hole it doesnt load the desktop
[18:06] <elite101> think im gunna install kubuntu...
[18:06] <eagles0513875> thats fine cuz im pretty well versed in commands and im working on linux certification so im getting more versed
[18:06] <elite101> hell, good thing i remember using adept lol! =)
[18:06] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:06] <elite101> stuck on windows soo much..
[18:07] <eagles0513875> im learning more complicated stuff
[18:07] <eagles0513875> if u guys want im working on simplified how to website relating to kubuntu
[18:07] <eagles0513875> if u want the link
[18:07] <elite101> nah
[18:07] <elite101> im goo
[18:07] <elite101> good
[18:07] <eagles0513875> only thing thats up and running right now is my forum
[18:07] <elite101> rather learn on my own...
[18:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:07] <elite101> like i did befor
[18:07] <eagles0513875> u also learn through how tos as well lol
[18:07] <eagles0513875> ive learned alot to be honest
[18:07] <elite101> i had no windows lol so i had to use linux..
[18:07] <JoshOvki> i learnt plenty on debian and just ported it over with myself to kubuntu
[18:08] <eagles0513875> then thats different
[18:08] <eagles0513875> i need to get better versed on the workings of linux so that i can start working on my own cluster distro based on kubuntu
[18:08] <elite101> wish i had a "monster" pc so i can vm linux/windows vise versa
[18:08] <elite101> cluster
[18:08] <elite101> hehehe, why?
[18:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:08] <eagles0513875> ive tried so many cluster distros and they r extermely confusing
[18:09] <elite101> yeah, but why?
[18:09] <elite101> web hosting?
[18:09] <elite101> find the prime number of one...
[18:09] <JoshOvki> i use kubuntu and windows. i spend most of my time in kubuntu, but need windows at times :)
[18:09] <eagles0513875> no im part of the boinc projects and some of the data sets r rather time consuming
[18:09] <elite101> i tried, i had a couple of dell optiplex's to cluster for fun.. lost intrest
[18:09] <eagles0513875> also i wanna try and branch into the video rendering side of things especially 3d animated movies
[18:10] <eagles0513875> great money in rendering those types of movies
[18:10] <eagles0513875> random fyi just to render 1 scene on a single machine would take 40 yrs
[18:10] <eagles0513875> thats y 3d animated movies r rendered on a cluster
[18:10] <carlzenox> how do i run a python scripts?
[18:10] <eagles0513875> !python
[18:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:11] <edju> trying to write a file in  /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0d.0/0000:03:00.0 and I get "permission denied".  I ran sudo su and have a root prompt.  root has no permission?  who does?
[18:11] <elite101> carlzenox sorry i cant help you with that...
[18:11] <carlzenox> k =/
[18:11] <eagles0513875> sup j
[18:11] <elite101> sys/device/pci? what is the device and why are you writing a file to it?
[18:12] <elite101> daisuke
[18:12] <elite101> !!!
[18:12] <elite101> :)
[18:12] <elite101> finaly i knew i would recognize someone
[18:12] <JoshOvki> lol
[18:12] <elite101> wow, after this whole time still on here
[18:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:13] <eagles0513875> can anyone explain to me the origins of a pnp bios bug
[18:13] <JoshOvki> i tend to live in kde4 and offtopic so know hardly any 1 here
[18:13] <elite101> well considering i dont buy cheap lappys i wouldnt know...
[18:13] <JoshOvki> not even in them lattely thing about it
[18:13] <eagles0513875> im asking the room in general lol
[18:13] <elite101> ;)
[18:13] <eagles0513875> my old one works fine its this one which is giving me a head ache
[18:13] <eagles0513875> its got a turion x2 1.9ghz processor
[18:13] <elite101> HP what do you exepct?
[18:14] <elite101> try there website?
[18:14] <eagles0513875> woot beta time
[18:14] <elite101> maybe they have a fix
[18:14] <elite101> becareful thou
[18:14] <eagles0513875> hp wont provide me with linux support only vista
[18:14] <eagles0513875> beta of hardy is out
[18:14] <elite101> you can mess up your Bios and PC forever,
[18:14] <JoshOvki> HP support is pretty poor anyway
[18:14] <eagles0513875> they have a really easy flash util that does it from desktop
[18:14] <elite101> eagles?
[18:14] <elite101> windows xp?
[18:14] <eagles0513875> vista
[18:14] <elite101> why does OS have to do anything with it?
[18:15] <elite101> all you need is a floppy drive/zip drive with preloaded .bin's or what the file sys is
[18:15] <eagles0513875> i have asked them for support help with my previous laptop and they said they werent able to provide the support
[18:15] <elite101> and flash?
[18:15] <eagles0513875> elite101 hp makes it easier
[18:15] <eagles0513875> they gvie u a desktop util that u open run flashes from desktop and then u restart with the updated bios
[18:15] <elite101> why would you need support for anything? its your bios! get a fix/patch
[18:16] <elite101> desktop?
[18:16] <eagles0513875> im not saying my bios
[18:16] <elite101> ohh, their own "OS" kinda thing
[18:16] <eagles0513875> ya
[18:16] <elite101> ahh
[18:16] <elite101> ic
[18:16] <elite101> well get the bios file?
[18:16] <mEck0> hi! I installed KDE3 today and now when I'm starting any openoffice app, the menu doesn't have icons, just texts! why and how to fix it?
[18:17] <eagles0513875> already did it
[18:17] <elite101> and...
[18:17] <elite101> doesnt work
[18:17] <elite101> what does this pug say?
[18:17] <eagles0513875> elite101 im downloading hardy beta atm am going to try that
[18:17] <eagles0513875> ?
[18:17] <elite101> if its your bios, OS isnt going to matter -_-
[18:17] <eagles0513875> in hardy though i dont get tha tbug
[18:17] <eagles0513875> its only in gutsy
[18:18] <elite101> ohh,
[18:18] <elite101> mhm thats weird
[18:18] <eagles0513875> ya
[18:18] <BunnyRevolution> i want to backup my repsoitories to cd and then use the cd for any new installations updates.  what is the best way to do this
[18:18] <eagles0513875> its funny hardy alpha 5 didnt have it it would hang loading my hard ware devices after install
[18:18] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[18:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[18:19] <eagles0513875> BunnyRevolution thats a handy site generates ur sources code for repos
[18:19] <elite101> eagles
[18:19] <eagles0513875> eagles0513875 ya
[18:19] <elite101> instead of flooding the chat and abusing the bot,
[18:19] <eagles0513875> im not abusing the bot
[18:19] <elite101> why not acutally help?
[18:19] <eagles0513875> i am
[18:19] <BunnyRevolution> i understand i can go in and copy the *.deb's to a cd and then set the update to look at the cd
[18:19] <eagles0513875> elite101 its also hard when u dont have a machien running linux 2
[18:20] <Kr|ptiX> !wineX
[18:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:21] <Kr|ptiX> anyone k now where i can get wineX
[18:21] <BunnyRevolution> elite101: the best way to fix the bot is have it reply only to the person that promted it
[18:21] <eagles0513875> !wine | Kr|ptiX
[18:21] <ubotu> Kr|ptiX: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[18:21] <BunnyRevolution> elite101: and/or a pipe to the person needing it
[18:21] <eagles0513875> Kr|ptiX is that what ur looking for
[18:21] <BunnyRevolution> then the bot would never reply to the forum
[18:21] <Kr|ptiX> noo
[18:22] <eagles0513875> BunnyRevolution sry bout that
[18:23] <Ashex> well, this is interesting
[18:23] <Ashex> according to knetworkmanager, I have no connection
[18:23] <Kr|ptiX> any1 kno anything bout this error im gettn http://pastebin.ca/962349
[18:24] <Ashex> and I'm remoting in from work :p
[18:24] <BunnyRevolution> the third option would be to have a pipe that would output to the forum specifically.  this way when the bot replied to the forum, it would show the person who piped it to the frou
[18:24] <eagles0513875> Ashex what version hardy or gutsy
[18:24] <JoshOvki> Ashex: you using ifconfig instead?
[18:24] <Ashex> eagles0513875, hardy
[18:24] <eagles0513875> when u were using gutsy did u have the same issue
[18:24] <Ashex> hmm, not entirely sure
[18:24] <eagles0513875> Ashex is this one of the alpha releases or the newlly released beta
[18:24] <Ashex> I have multiple interfaces
[18:25] <Ashex> two gigabit lan connections and a wireless
[18:25] <Ashex> beta
[18:25] <eagles0513875> Ashex they all showing as disconnected
[18:25] <Ashex> in knetworkmanager, device status is no active device
[18:25] <elite101> brb installing fed, kubunty on old raid hehehe
[18:26] <elite101> kubuntu*
[18:26] <jast-mxm> hello!
[18:26] <jast-mxm> i have a questions about mulitple ubuntu installs
[18:26] <Ashex> JoshOvki, ifconfig shows I have an ip
[18:26] <JoshOvki> jast-mxm: just ask the question
[18:26] <Ashex> I have no doubt that I'm connected to the network/internet
[18:26] <eagles0513875> Ashex then that means there is a bug in knetworkmanager
[18:27] <Ashex> yay
[18:27] <eagles0513875> Ashex could u give the machine a reboot and see if it still shows disconnected or not
[18:27] <jast-mxm> i have ubuntu installed on another disk in my pc which is my main atm, I am currently installing kubuntu on another drive
[18:27] <jast-mxm> will the kubuntu install pick up the other drive automagically?
[18:27] <Ashex> eagles0513875, yeah, I'll be back momentarily
[18:27] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm u shouldnt have a problem booting
[18:28] <jast-mxm> i would just have to change the kubu install to have the bootable flag yes?
[18:28] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm u dont want ubuntu as the bootable
[18:28] <jast-mxm> lol
[18:28] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm grub should come up though and allow u 2 choose which one u want
[18:28] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm but if u wanna get rid of ubuntu then flag the kubuntu drive as bootable
[18:28] <jast-mxm> well right now the ubuntu has grub installed on that drive and is the bootable
[18:29] <jast-mxm> so once this is done installing i will need to change the kubu drive to have the bootable flag yes?
[18:29] <eagles0513875> jast-mxmyep
[18:29] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm yep
[18:29] <jast-mxm> awesome, thank you
[18:29] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm no prob
[18:30] <jast-mxm> i've been getting a bit aggravated w/ gnome so i'll see how a full kubuntu setup goes
[18:30] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm lol
[18:30] <Boohbah> kde is nice but kubuntu is kinda fuct
[18:30] <eagles0513875> Boohbah in what sense is it
[18:30] <jast-mxm> i haven't tried it since early 3.xx
[18:30] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm its come along way
[18:30] <Boohbah> eagles0513875: breakage
[18:30] <jast-mxm> so i'm gonna give this 8.04 kde4 a shot
[18:31] <jast-mxm> 64 bit since i'm being balsy
[18:31] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm i have used 64bit before
[18:31] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm no problems and i love it
[18:31] <jast-mxm> as have i
[18:31] <eagles0513875> thing is kde is a good entry point for those to linux
[18:31] <eagles0513875> especially kubuntu
[18:31] <jast-mxm> i'm just saying if i'm doing teh beta of hardy and beta of kde4 why not go all out
[18:31] <eagles0513875> its got the look and feel of windows
[18:31] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm dont blame ya im downloading the beta as we speak im hoping to get it on this machine
[18:31] <jast-mxm> i was just reading some articles about the mess that gnome is dev wise
[18:32] <Boohbah> so who's tried kde 4?
[18:32] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm again kde is better developed
[18:32] <eagles0513875> eagles0513875 i heard that gnome dev is being helped out by google
[18:32] <jast-mxm> yeah, nautilus was really pissing me off
[18:32]  * JoshOvki puts his hand up
[18:32] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm konquerer isnt much better thank god for alterantives to that
[18:32] <jast-mxm> it doesn't like having sftp connections open for a period of time w/out nautilus freaking out and dying
[18:32] <johan> hi, how do i install flash in konqueror?
[18:32] <jast-mxm> yeah
[18:33] <eagles0513875> johan i honestly recommend getting rid of konquerer and installing firefox
[18:33] <jast-mxm> well i know i'm just going to use ff for the browser
[18:33] <eagles0513875> johan actually outperforms konquerer
[18:33] <jast-mxm> but any suggestions to the konquerer file manager?
[18:33] <eagles0513875> now actually in hardy its become dolphi
[18:33] <eagles0513875> n
[18:33] <johan> eagles0513875: i'm using firefox, but for some  utility i need konquerer
[18:33] <jast-mxm> yeah
[18:33] <eagles0513875> johan what utility
[18:33] <DarkriftX> anyone here good with compiz? (not getting any answers in thier channel). I installed it, and things are working well, but my "raise on click" feature (brings inactive windows forward when you click them) wont stay enabled. if i enabled it, the check mark clears after about half a second. I have tried tricking it and closing the page real fast, which doesnt help.... any ideas?
[18:33] <jast-mxm> so does dolphin look a bit more promising than konqueror?
[18:34] <johan> eagles0513875: http://khtml2png.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=about
[18:34] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm its so much better
[18:34] <jast-mxm> i look forward to using it then ^_^
[18:35] <daiana> #ubuntu-info
[18:35] <jast-mxm> kde does have a little bit more system overhead than gnome right?
[18:35] <eagles0513875> johan gotcha have u looked in apt manager there r pkgs in there for flash
[18:35] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm what u mean
[18:35] <jast-mxm> as far as ram and cpu
[18:35] <jast-mxm> for general use
[18:35] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm i think less over head
[18:35] <estrella> CCCCC#ubuntu-es\
[18:35] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm could be wrong
[18:35] <jast-mxm> or did they do a smashing job w/ qt
[18:36] <eagles0513875> !es | estrella
[18:36] <ubotu> estrella: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:36] <estrella> #ubuntu-es
[18:36] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm dunno much bout the coding
[18:36] <johan> eagles0513875: yup, installed it.. flash files show up as blank.. and konquerer crashes after navigated away from the flash site :(
[18:36] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm i need to spend some time working on c and python
[18:36] <eagles0513875> johan u on gutsy or hardy
[18:36] <johan> eagles0513875: 7.10
[18:36] <eagles0513875> johan have u installed any updated pkgs
[18:37] <johan> eagles0513875: yup, everything is fully updated
[18:37] <eagles0513875> johan im not sure if there r still bugs in the flash pkgs i remember for a time i couldnt install flash for firefox im not sure if that also affected the konquerer pkgs
[18:39] <johan> eagles0513875: hmm, it works ok in firefox.. i've also removed the version of the repos and downloaded/installed the latest .tar.gz from adobe.. same thing..
[18:40] <eagles0513875> apt-cache search konquerer and see if it brings up any flash pkgs specifically for konquerer
[18:41] <jast-mxm> whew back
[18:41] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm lol
[18:41] <jast-mxm> i think i will still use the swap partition on the other drive though
[18:41] <johan> eagles0513875: hmm, just read that the latest flash is not compatible with konqueror..  anyway thanks for your help
[18:42] <eagles0513875> johan no prob
[18:42] <jast-mxm> i should just get a 70g raptor drive and dedicate it to swap
[18:42] <jast-mxm> because it is completely necessary
[18:42] <eagles0513875> johan out of curiousity i would try that program and see if it works in firefox. also kubuntu has its own screen shot taker not sure how it works though or what the command is
[18:42] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm u nut
[18:42] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm reinstall making that primary bootable partiton and other one ur swap
[18:43] <jast-mxm> i guess today is a mellow day too
[18:43] <jast-mxm> yesterday i got to do fire poi
[18:43] <eagles0513875> ?
[18:43] <jast-mxm> rope w/ balls on the end lit on fire
[18:43] <jast-mxm> spinny spinny spinny
[18:43] <JoshOvki> i got fire poi
[18:43] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm i think first thing im goign to try is a wubi install in windows
[18:43] <eagles0513875> thats kool
[18:43] <eagles0513875> !offtopic
[18:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[18:43] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:43] <jast-mxm> lol
[18:44] <jast-mxm> well i left the beach from that on my motorcycle and proceeded to get rearended by a car at the next redlight
[18:44] <eagles0513875> lol at least it wasnt ur fault
[18:44] <jast-mxm> yeah but the bike split in 2
[18:44] <jast-mxm> but so today is a mellow day
[18:45] <jast-mxm> i don't think i can get too hurt installing kubuntu
[18:45] <jast-mxm> unless i format the wrong drive
[18:45]  * jast-mxm waves at ashex
[18:45] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm wanna be save unplug the other drive
[18:45]  * Ashex waves at jast-mxm 
[18:45] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm that way u wont have that option
[18:45] <jast-mxm> lol
[18:45] <Ashex> should be getting into the machine
[18:45] <jast-mxm> its a risk i'm willing to take
[18:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:45] <jast-mxm> feeling lucky today
[18:46] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm back up all ur data just in case
[18:46] <Ashex> I forgot that the root partition was due to integrity check
[18:46] <eagles0513875> Ashex lol is it working no
[18:46] <eagles0513875> w
[18:46] <Ashex> eagles0513875, just connected, knetworkmanager still displays a not connected
[18:46] <eagles0513875> Ashex then fill out a bug at launchpad.net
[18:47] <Ashex> will do
[18:47] <Ashex> hmm
[18:47] <Ashex> looks like a dbus error
[18:48] <jast-mxm> woo %75 almost there
[18:48] <jast-mxm> then it's reboot and update heaven
[18:48] <eagles0513875> Ashex if u know any programming i would try debug urself
[18:48] <eagles0513875> jast-mxm lol did u do custom partitioning
[18:48] <jast-mxm> the manual? yeah
[18:48] <jast-mxm> i don't need swap on this drive
[18:48] <jast-mxm> since i already have one on another, it can just use that
[18:49] <Ashex> eagles0513875, I'm a bit limited on the programming background
[18:49] <Ashex> only done basic and C# :p
[18:49] <jast-mxm> ooo I got java, php, and ruby on rails
[18:49] <eagles0513875> Ashex well i have only done java and j# which is exactly the same as java
[18:49] <jast-mxm> but ruby on rails is a mes
[18:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:49] <johan> eagles0513875: thanks, but i'm looking for an automated tool, that can take screenshots of websites in the background.. i need  to process like 30.000
[18:49] <eagles0513875> johan what u need them for
[18:50] <eagles0513875> well im out for the night guys i gtg get ready for my dinner date lol
[18:50] <jast-mxm> have a good one
[18:50] <jast-mxm> lol
[18:51] <kkathman> greetings - I just loaded Kubuntu on my machine and attempted to do updating and it came back after awhile and said that it could not finish because some packages might break other packages??? Whats this?
[18:51] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: via adept?
[18:51] <jast-mxm> yeah it is
[18:51] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: I had that too
[18:51] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  yes
[18:51] <jast-mxm> apt-get doesn't give a message like that
[18:51] <kkathman> right - it came from Adept
[18:51] <jast-mxm> did you try using "sudo apt-get safe-upgrade" ?
[18:51] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: just do "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:51] <jast-mxm> lol
[18:52] <kkathman> ahh ok... will do - are we getting very close to Hardy?  This is Gutsy I have
[18:52] <Odd-rationale> jast-mxm: i thought safe-upgrade was for aptitude. no?
[18:52] <jast-mxm> its in beta
[18:52] <jast-mxm> odd-rationale: oh yeah me forgots
[18:53] <jast-mxm> woo brb reboot
[18:53] <kkathman> argh - it made me rung sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> Is there a way to use the same system bell sound of konsole in yakuake?
[19:20] <SisyphusINC> does anyone here know how to set up firestarter properly im using ubuntu but ive asked #ubuntu for the last half hr for help and its fallen on deaf ears or fingers and it may be.
[19:21] <jast-mxm> woo kubuntu is pretty :P
[19:21] <jast-mxm> now to get dual screens configged
[19:22] <jast-mxm> hmm it doesn't seem to automatically pick up screen 2
[19:22] <jast-mxm> can i just use the nvidia screen tool like i did in gnome?
[19:25] <kkathman> how can I create a new user?
[19:25] <Hamra> i never used dual screen to be of much help, but there is some dual screen settings in "system settings"/"monitor & display"
[19:26] <Hamra> kkathman: go to system settings \ user management
[19:26] <jast-mxm> well i'm using hardy beta w/ kde4 and i don't have tha toption :/
[19:27] <jast-mxm> i have a display option but it only shows 1 screen
[19:28] <kkathman> Hamra:  hmm Unfortunately I bought this system already configured, there seems to be a root account, but I dont know the password.
[19:28] <Hamra> you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4 then, they should know
[19:29] <Hamra> ubuntu and kubuntu dont have root accounts, you can use sudo and kdesu, which should have the same password as your user
[19:30] <DarkriftX> anyone here good with compiz? (not getting any answers in thier channel). I installed it, and things are working well, but my "raise on click" feature (brings inactive windows forward when you click them) wont stay enabled. if i enabled it, the check mark clears after about half a second. I have tried tricking it and closing the page real fast, which doesnt help.... any ideas?
[19:31] <Hamra> !sudo | kkathman
[19:31] <ubotu> kkathman: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[19:31] <kkathman> Hamra:  well yeah but when it asks for the password for the administrator, I think thats the root - and yes, a root account was setup as I can see it in the user management screen
[19:31] <kkathman> I know about sudo, but some system settings (like adding users) require administrator/root rights and you must provide the pass
[19:32] <kkathman> brb
[19:32] <Hamra> did you try your user password for the "administrator mode" button?
[19:37] <kkathman> Hamra:  I tried rebooting and its just not going into administrator mode :(
[19:38] <Hamra> you cant log into root :)
[19:38] <Hamra> did you try your user password for the "administrator mode" button?
[19:40] <Hamra> !root | kkathman
[19:40] <ubotu> kkathman: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:43] <bnex10> i'm going to try rebooting
[19:43] <Hamra> gtg
[19:44] <kkathman> argh - I know this isnt true
[19:49] <jast-mxm> hmm that makes me sad
[19:49] <jast-mxm> i can't get dual screens configured
[19:51] <jast-mxm> has anyone had any luck getting 2 monitors to work w/ 2 video cards (nvidia) ?
[20:06] <jast-mxm> what is a good media player for kde aside from juk?
[20:07] <adoc> Kaffeine is a good media player
[20:07] <jast-mxm> thanks, i'll be sure to check it out
[20:08] <jast-mxm> i was used to using rhythmbox but wanted to see what else was out there
[20:09] <adoc> otherwise mplayer is good as well, I use it from the terminal for audio or video streaming
[20:13] <adoc> but if you look for something similar to rhythmbox in KDE, then Amarok is what you are looking for, I think
[20:16] <ahmad> join #python
[20:16] <BunnyRevolution> i need to make a symlink from an empty directory in my home folder to a directory in a partition or the partition itself.  how do i do this?
[20:17] <bascule> BunnyRevolution: they can't jump partitions IIRC
[20:18] <BunnyRevolution> symlinks can't?  :-(
[20:18] <jast-mxm> what you probably want is to have the partition mounted to that empty directory
[20:21] <BunnyRevolution> bascule:  ln -s old_file new_file
[20:21] <BunnyRevolution> jast-mxm: yes, i never thought of that
[20:21] <BunnyRevolution>  /mnt/some_partition
[20:22] <jast-mxm> just make the changes in fstab or mount it directly there yourself
[20:42] <anais> ??????????????
[20:42] <snowolf> yes anais?
[20:44] <anais> spanich
[20:45] <kewark> anais: #kubuntu-es
[20:47] <Mooga> Hello
[20:48] <jussi01> hi
[20:48] <Mooga> I'm in the middle of a kubuntu install and was hoping I could get a small hand
[20:49] <Mooga> I just installed XP on a 40bg partition
[20:49] <algyz> Mooga:  any problems in israel? :)
[20:49] <Mooga> I want kubuntu on the rest of the drive
[20:49] <algyz> Mooga:  you can do this
[20:49] <Mooga> lol
[20:50] <n0ks> Mooga download Kubuntu from kubuntu.com burn it to a cd and install on the other partition
[20:50] <Mooga> I have the disk in
[20:50] <Mooga> do i have to maunually partiion it?
[20:50] <anais> I DONT UNDERSTAN
[20:50] <algyz> Mooga:  do this, I mean manual
[20:51] <algyz> Mooga:  how many gigabytes for kubuntu?
[20:51] <Mooga> hm?
[20:51] <Mooga> it's a 250gig drive
[20:51] <Mooga> so about 210 gigs
[20:51] <jussi01> anais: type: /join #kubuntu-es
[20:51] <algyz> Mooga:  wow, it's a lot
[20:52] <algyz> Mooga:  and how many ram do you have?
[20:52] <Mooga> 1gig of Ram
[20:52] <algyz> Mooga:  I'd prefer - 15 GB / partition, 1,5 GB /swap, rest /home
[20:53] <Mooga> oh, lol.  IL is a state, not israel
[20:53] <algyz> Mooga:  probably it's a bit too much, but you have big hard :)
[20:53] <n0ks> Mooga I have a suggestion for you: install kubuntu as first OS, removing your windows, so with the help of VMware you can install windows on the kubuntu virtal machine
[20:53] <algyz> Mooga:  Illinois? :D
[20:53] <Mooga> ya
[20:53] <jast-mxm> hey noks
[20:53] <algyz> Mooga:  OK, I misunderstood :D
[20:53] <jast-mxm> you familiar w/ setting up vmware?
[20:53] <Mooga> I was confused because I have an interesting story about my israel trip...
[20:53] <n0ks> jast-mxm: yes, a lil', I've installed winxp 2 days ago on it
[20:54] <jast-mxm> which tutorial did you follow to get it installed?
[20:54] <Mooga> Yes, I know vmware,but I want a bootable part
[20:54] <ubuntu> hallo!!
[20:54] <Mooga> I haven't use any tutorial......
[20:55] <algyz> Mooga:  so I think partition, as I said, it will be ok (I hope that)
[20:55] <n0ks> Mooga, well, if you made a partition (when you installed windows) you should be able to install Kubuntu in the other partition using the LiveCD
[20:55] <jast-mxm> so you just downloaded the file from the vmware site?
[20:55] <jast-mxm> was it a deb?
[20:55] <dick-richardson> someone help me figure out how to share a printer from my kubuntu machine to my wife's mac?
[20:56] <algyz> !printing | dick-richardson
[20:56] <ubotu> dick-richardson: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[20:56] <Mooga> n0ks: should I do it manually?
[20:56] <n0ks> jast-mxm: here you have ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[20:56] <Mooga> or is there an autoamtic way of doing this?
[20:56] <n0ks> Mooga, of doing what?
[20:57] <Mooga> installing kubuntu to a new partition
[20:57] <jast-mxm> does dolphin have native sftp support?
[20:57] <algyz> Mooga:  install it into empty space
[20:57] <Mooga> it will make the 3 part.s it needs?
[20:57] <dick-richardson> algyz: thank you!
[20:58] <algyz> Mooga:  do it manually
[20:58] <n0ks> Mooga, from what I understood, you have installed WinXP on a 40GB partition (so you have C:\WINDOWS and D:\) is that right?
[20:58] <Mooga> um, I didn't partition the rest, just the 40 gigs
[20:59] <Mooga> the rest are unpartitioned
[20:59] <Mooga> is*
[20:59] <Alphonse> hallo! my kubuntu is not loading, correctly... help me!!
[20:59] <Alphonse> please!
[20:59] <Mooga> can I chose "Guided - use the largest continus space"
[21:00] <algyz> Alphonse:  what happenned?
[21:00] <algyz> Mooga:  no
[21:00] <Alphonse> not sure
[21:00] <n0ks> Mooga, in the Kubuntu Installation you can make partition (it's manually)
[21:00] <Mooga> ok
[21:00] <algyz> Mooga:  partition manually and choose mountpoints
[21:00] <Alphonse> yesterday i was adding a slave hdd
[21:00] <Mooga> so make 3?
[21:00] <algyz> Mooga:  so yes
[21:00] <Mooga> thanks
[21:00] <Alphonse> but the main hdd gets disabled for a moment
[21:00] <Mooga> I'll tell you if I need more help :)
[21:01] <Alphonse> after that, for the next day, it shows a message after check the root files
[21:01] <n0ks> np :)
[21:02] <Alphonse> the file:  /etc/init.d/rc denies permission to access
[21:02] <_Shade_> hi
[21:02] <Erickj92> i cant connect to an FTP server using filezilla, can anyone help me?
[21:03] <Mooga> what type of patition should it be?
[21:03] <n0ks> Erickj92: install gFTP from Add/Remove is a good one for FTP managment
[21:03] <Erickj92> ok n0ks
[21:03] <Mooga> primary?
[21:03] <_Shade_> how do i determine the number of free pci slots on my machine? is there any command for that?
[21:03] <jast-mxm> i think not
[21:03] <algyz> Mooga:  yes
[21:03] <jast-mxm> _shade_ you just need to open your case and look
[21:03] <Mooga> ty
[21:04] <algyz> Mooga:  I'd prefer - 15 GB / partition, 1,5 GB /swap, rest /home
[21:04] <algyz> as I wrote
[21:04] <Mooga> make them all primary?
[21:04] <jast-mxm> _Shade_: the only command i know of is lspci but it shows everything that is connected
[21:04] <_Shade_> jast-mxm: haha... but the point is i need to do it from cli
[21:04] <jhutchins> Mooga: yes
[21:05] <Mooga> K
[21:05] <algyz> Mooga:  you will not able to make /swap primary :)
[21:05] <jhutchins> algyz: ?  Why not?
[21:05] <algyz> think no :)
[21:06] <jhutchins> algyz: Dos is the system that can't handle more than four primaries, unices can handle more, but in any case you get at least four.
[21:06] <Mooga> use as?
[21:06] <Mooga> the first part
[21:06] <hydrogen> err
[21:06] <algyz> Mooga:  use what?
[21:06] <jhutchins> algyz: In any case, swap can be anywhere on the disk, and primary/second partition doesn't matter.
[21:06] <hydrogen> linux can still only handle four primary partitions
[21:07] <hydrogen> linux/unix
[21:07] <hydrogen> well, Ia ssume unix
[21:07] <hydrogen> I know linux can't
[21:07] <algyz> swap is swap
[21:07] <Mooga> for the main part. 15gb.  do I partition it as fat32?
[21:07] <algyz> no
[21:07] <jhutchins> hydrogen: Well, I've done it, but I don't have any current proof of the concept with current versions.
[21:07] <n0ks> Mooga NFTS
[21:08] <algyz> Mooga:  partition as ext3
[21:08] <n0ks> i think so :)
[21:08] <n0ks> oh, yes ext3
[21:08] <algyz> kiddin'?
[21:08] <Mooga> ok, ext3 looks right :)
[21:08] <algyz> it is
[21:09] <Alphonse>  the file:  /etc/init.d/rc denies permission to access, can somebody help me with this, please__
[21:09] <algyz> Mooga:  well, ext4 is not very polished yet, so kubuntu is not offering this thing
[21:10] <algyz> Alphonse:  try sudo
[21:10] <algyz> !sudo | Alphonse
[21:10] <ubotu> Alphonse: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[21:10] <Mooga> I'm using the KDE4 beta... is it fuctional?
[21:10] <algyz> Mooga:  heard, that 4.0.2 is more or less :)
[21:11] <Mooga> make the home fat32?
[21:11] <algyz> Mooga:  ext3
[21:11] <Mooga> ok, another question
[21:11] <Mooga> Should I make a "files" partition that both *nix and XP can read?
[21:11] <Alphonse> but should i edit this file as sudo, so the system will grant permission?
[21:12] <Mooga> or can XP read the home part formated as ext3?
[21:12] <algyz> Mooga:  you can, but it doesn't matter
[21:12] <algyz> Mooga:  there are drivers for xp
[21:12] <denis_> !de
[21:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:13] <denis_> hallo
[21:13] <jussi01> denis_: hi
[21:14] <Mooga> that wont be a problem for xp to read home?
[21:14] <denis_> kennt sich jemand mit webkameras aus?
[21:14] <jussi01> denis_: only english in here please.
[21:14] <denis_> oh sorry, wrong channel
[21:14] <denis_> but are you familiar with webcams?
[21:15] <denis_> its about Ov51xJPEGHackedInstall
[21:15] <jussi01> !webcam | denis_ sorry, this is all I can offer you.
[21:15] <ubotu> denis_ sorry, this is all I can offer you.: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[21:16] <denis_> hmm, I already ha d a look there
[21:17] <denis_> there is a package for debian whic I installed but I still have to build a kernel modul, so I need to know where the package has been installed
[21:17] <denis_> so how do I find the folder with the ov51x-jpeg?
[21:17] <jussi01> denis_: dpkg -l packagename
[21:18] <moe_D> I just installed kubuntu 7.10; I'm trying to add software; however - unsuccesful.  I receive mssg, "Database locked - Adept Installer" Another pck is using the installer.  I haven't tried to install another pck.
[21:18] <denis_> ah thanks
[21:18] <jussi01> !adeptfix | moe_D
[21:18] <ubotu> moe_D: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:21] <Mooga> I'm having problems
[21:22] <Mooga> "No root file system defined
[21:22] <jast-mxm> shoud i install the new kdm-kde4 or just stick w/ kdm?
[21:22] <jast-mxm> its one of the new updates that are out?
[21:23] <Alphonse> the problem is that the system cant access the file /etc/init.d/rc when is loading
[21:23] <Mooga> I'm just doing a harddrive patitioning
[21:23] <jast-mxm> with the kdm-kde4?
[21:23] <Alphonse> what can I do?
[21:23] <Mooga> and I have XP on a 40gig part
[21:24] <Mooga> and was told to make a 15gig/1.5gig/and the rest for home
[21:24] <moe_D> ubotu - thx; seems to have worked  :)
[21:24] <Mooga> I think I might be doing it wrong becuase it's not letting me format giving me this error: "No root file system defined"
[21:25] <Mooga> oh, do I have to set mount points?
[21:25] <Mooga> and what should those be?
[21:26] <_Shade_> Mooga: just click edit and check whether you have "/" as mount point
[21:27] <Mooga> for all three of the new partitions?
[21:27] <Mooga> home and install parts have just "/"
[21:27] <Mooga> swap has nothing
[21:28] <_Shade_> i mean the partition you intend to have your os on i mean the root filesystem
[21:28] <algyz> Mooga:  /home mount point is /home
[21:28] <Alphonse> the problem is that the system cant access the file /etc/init.d/rc when is loading, i got kubuntu 6.06
[21:28] <Mooga> ext3
[21:29] <algyz> yes
[21:29] <Mooga> any ideas?
[21:30] <algyz> Mooga:  I'd prefer - 15 GB / partition, mount point / 1,5 GB /swap, rest /home, mount point /home
[21:30] <algyz> no more ideas ;)
[21:30] <Mooga> oh...
[21:30] <Mooga> so the 15gig
[21:30] <algyz> Mooga:  I'd prefer to use your head
[21:30] <Mooga> set that as /
[21:30] <Mooga> swap as /swap
[21:30] <Mooga> home as /home
[21:30] <algyz> sure
[21:30] <Mooga> ahhh, thanks
[21:31] <algyz> at last :D
[21:31] <Mooga> sorry, I've never done manual partitions
[21:31] <Mooga> I should you were just explaining them :-P
[21:32] <Mooga> I can't change swap to /swap
[21:32] <algyz> Mooga:  you did something wrong
[21:32] <Mooga> should I change the type as ext3 for the swap?
[21:33] <algyz> no
[21:33] <Mooga> jlet me re-make that part
[21:33] <algyz> swap is swap, it has it's own type
[21:33] <jast-mxm> what is the kubuntu chan for hardy?
[21:34] <Dr_willis> same as the ubuntu one. #ubuntu+1
[21:34] <algyz> Mooga:  you can go back and remake everything, still you have this choice
[21:34] <Dr_willis> swap does not have a /swap mount point either.
[21:35] <Mooga> is that normal?
[21:35] <algyz> Mooga:  sry, what?
[21:35] <Dr_willis> is what normal? Swap has never needed a mountpoint.
[21:35] <Mooga> ok
[21:35] <Dr_willis> and the filesystem type for a swap filesystem is swap
[21:35] <Mooga> sorry, I've never done a manual install
[21:35] <Dr_willis> dev/sda5           48410       48641     1863508+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[21:35] <algyz> Mooga:  just make it swap, that's it
[21:38] <Mooga> thanks a million guys
[21:38] <Mooga> it's installing
[21:39] <algyz> you're brave, installing without consulting :)
[21:39] <Mooga> hm?
[21:39] <Mooga> no...
[21:39] <Mooga> it's partiting
[21:39] <algyz> Ok, you consulted, I know
[21:41] <Alphonse>  the problem is that the system cant access the file /etc/init.d/rc when is loading, i got kubuntu 6.06
[21:41] <Alphonse> is the same with the other options to load on the GRUB...
[21:43] <Alphonse> what can you suggest me, to fix this?
[21:44] <Alphonse> i can not enter in my system, I am using the live cd to run this, right now...
[21:44] <jast-mxm> anyone know what is going to happen w/ ff3 and the gui? since kde is not using the gtk engine?
[21:45] <algyz> Alphonse:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=264476
[21:45] <Alphonse> ok, i will check that one...
[21:46] <dick-richardson> When I try to print a test page from the mac, I'm getting a "Network host is busy, will retry in 30 seconds" error
[21:46] <Roey> hi
[21:46] <Roey> hi all, I have this integrated Intel sound chipset and was wondering if there is an easy Kubuntu way to autoconfigure ALSA for it.
[21:46] <jussi01> Roey: which one?
[21:47] <jussi01> Roey: intel ICH8
[21:47] <Roey> ICH9
[21:47] <jussi01> !intelhda | Roey
[21:47] <ubotu> Roey: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[21:47] <Roey> Jussi01:  http://rafb.net/p/yOUb1483.html
[21:47] <jussi01> Roey: its a known bug.
[21:47] <Roey> oh?
[21:47] <Roey> jussi01:  Thanks!  Will this be fixed by Release time?
[21:47] <jussi01> fixed in hardy, (which is due out in less than 1 month)
[21:48] <Roey> hrm
[21:48] <Roey> jussi01:  that's what I'm running
[21:48] <Roey> I haven't rebooted in five days though
[21:48] <jussi01> Roey: oh.
[21:48] <Roey> jussi01:  when was it fixed in hardy?
[21:48] <jussi01> Roey: pop into #ubuntu+1 :)
[21:49] <algyz> Roey:  try oss
[21:49] <Roey> algyz:  the rest of the world seems to have moved on to alsa though..
[21:50] <algyz> sometimes it helps
[21:50] <algyz> !oss | Roey
[21:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:50] <alexa_> Ehm hallo... bin sehr neu hier... kann mir vielleicht jemand helfen?
[21:50] <algyz> !de | alexa_
[21:50] <ubotu> alexa_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:52] <Roey> heh, thanks algyz
[21:52] <algyz> it helped?
[21:54] <rameez> :)
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[21:55] <algyz> wtf?
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[21:55] <Fa> lol
[21:55] <algyz> crazy boys
[21:55] <kgoetz> hm
[21:55] <a-v> :D
[21:55] <rameez> lol
[21:56] <kgoetz> i think theres 2/3 that haventleftyet
[21:57] <Alphonse> i/ll be back if have more prob,
[21:57] <Alphonse> thnx!!
[22:12] <Dr_willis> Adobe joins list of companies not reading own EULAs
[22:12] <Dr_willis> :)  This is getting more and more amuseing as more companies actually read their own  Legal-babbling
[22:18] <confrey> hi everybody
[22:18] <oloughlin75> hi
[22:22] <Mooga> Is anyone worked with multiple screens in kubuntu?
[22:23] <robotgeek> Mooga: as in virtual desktops?
[22:25] <Artimus> robotgeek: Probably more along the lines of xinerama or twinview
[22:25] <robotgeek> Artimus: ah, okay. never done it
[22:26] <Mooga> robotgeek: no, 2 phisical screens
[22:26] <robotgeek> Mooga: never done it, sorry. maybe Artimus can help you
[22:26] <Mooga> Artimus, any exp?
[22:27] <Artimus> Mooga: I had TwinView (Nvidia's multi monitor software) setup way back on a Slackware box.  It's been a while, and I have no idea how to do it a "nice" way.
[22:27] <Mooga> I'm also having problems with adept crashing
[22:27] <Mooga> I'm using an ATI card
[22:29] <Mooga> Adept is giving me an error
[22:29] <Mooga> "Could not commit changes"
[22:30] <Mooga> something about a downloading error
[22:30] <Mooga> how can i fix this?
[22:31] <Mooga> Anybody?
[22:31] <algyz> what kind of error?
[22:31] <Mooga> "Could not commit changes"
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> Mooga: on upgrade? try "sudo apt-get upgrade" in terminal instead
[22:32] <algyz> Mooga:  close adept and follow this offer
[22:33] <Mooga> I'll try the cmd
[22:34] <Mooga> how do i check if I'm out of HDD space?
[22:35] <Mooga> 15gb should be fine, right?
[22:35] <Mooga> for the install part.
[22:36] <Mooga> nevermind, found it
[22:36] <Mooga> errorcode 1
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> Mooga: Make sure all instances of adept, apt, or aptitude are close. then try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[22:38]  * DOOM_NX i'm gonna send u to outer space, to fiiind another race.
[22:38] <jpatrick> DOOM_NX: please don't go that
[22:39] <DOOM_NX> sorry :P
[22:39] <DOOM_NX> by accident
[22:39] <Roey> Thug-life:  interesting nick.  I think you want Undernet though
[22:39] <Roey> Thug-life:  and the channels whose names start with #000...
[22:39] <Roey> or #!!!!00000
[22:45] <pyro17> pyro17> guys my audio doesnt work
 kmix was no help
 though it sees my audigy
[22:45] <pyro17> any ideas?
[22:47] <algyz> !sound | pyro17
[22:47] <ubotu> pyro17: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:55] <jast-mxm> can anyone help me w/ dual monitor setup?
[22:56] <Mooga> same here
[22:56] <jast-mxm> i can get it to turn on, but no X display just an X for the cursor
[22:56] <algyz> !dual
[22:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:56] <Mooga> I don't even know how to get that far
[22:56] <jast-mxm> do you have 2 cards or one?
[22:57] <algyz> !dualmonitor | jast-mxm
[22:57] <ubotu> jast-mxm: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[22:58] <algyz> !xinerama | jast-mxm
[22:58] <ubotu> jast-mxm: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[22:58] <jast-mxm> i'm not using dualhead though
[22:58] <jast-mxm> 2 seperate video cards
[22:58] <jast-mxm> the xorg.conf file doesn't work w/ kde but works in gnome
[23:00] <jast-mxm> http://pastebin.com/m4790ac30
[23:01] <riadh> hi
[23:01]  * jast-mxm waves
[23:01] <riadh> hi
 Thug-life:  interesting nick.  I think you want Undernet though
 Thug-life:  and the channels whose names start with #000...
[23:04] <Thug-life> What?
[23:04] <Mooga> I'm trying to install driving for my graphics card and it gives me an error
[23:04] <Mooga> can't download it or something
[23:05] <bascule> Thug-life: where did you hear that?
[23:05] <Thug-life> scroll up
[23:05] <Thug-life> it was as i joined
[23:05] <algyz> Mooga:  what kind of card?
[23:05] <Mooga> I'm re-starting now
[23:05] <Mooga> it's an ATI X1600 Pro
[23:05] <Mooga> AGP
[23:06] <bascule> Thug-life: hmmmm
[23:09] <Mooga> I've got a fresh install
[23:09] <Mooga> and adept wont update
[23:09] <riadh_> hi
[23:09] <jussi01> Mooga: is the database locked??
[23:09] <Mooga> it crashes on preparinjg
[23:09] <Mooga> um... I don't know
[23:09] <Mooga> I'm new to this :(
[23:09] <jussi01> whats the error it gives?
[23:10] <Mooga> just is stuck at 0%
[23:10] <riadh_> hi im new im null kubunto
[23:10] <riadh_> some one on private
[23:11] <Claybrain145> riadh_ How do you like it?
[23:11] <riadh_> i m null
[23:11] <riadh_> clay
[23:11] <riadh_> thanks
[23:11] <riadh_> for anser
[23:12] <riadh_> there are some one how speak frensh ???
[23:12] <Roey> Thug-life:  aww c'mon I was joking :)
[23:13] <Roey> Thug-life:  I'm saying that this kind of nick you'd typically encounter in one of those risque channels.
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> !fr | riadh_
[23:13] <ubotu> riadh_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[23:13] <riadh_> thnx
[23:20] <riadh_> comment aller en pv ??
[23:25] <vit> ggdfhgydhuydh
[23:26] <jast-mxm> what file has the output of my xorg file
[23:26] <jast-mxm> because i can get one monitor to come up
[23:26] <jast-mxm> but the kde panel stretches across both
[23:27] <vit> kien eres tu
[23:27] <jast-mxm> however the second monitor is just a black x session
[23:28] <vit> sabes hablar en espanol
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> !es | vit
[23:28] <ubotu> vit: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:29] <vit> donde se entra
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> type "/join #ubuntu-es"
[23:30] <Mooga> adept wont update
[23:30] <Mooga> it's stuck at 0% for over an hour
[23:31] <Mooga> I'm using a fresh install with kde4
[23:31] <kadam> \/join #phpbb
[23:31] <jast-mxm> mooga: open your terminal and type "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[23:32] <jast-mxm> i am having the same issue w/ adept and that is how to do the updates manually
[23:32] <Mooga> I tried upgrade and it didn't work
[23:32] <jast-mxm> what did it say?
[23:32] <Mooga> I got an error
[23:32] <jast-mxm> which was?
[23:32] <Mooga> I donb't remember it
[23:32] <jast-mxm> ok
[23:32] <jast-mxm> try "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[23:34] <Mooga> tzdate had an error
[23:34] <Mooga> let me try the safe one
[23:35] <Mooga> something is locked
[23:35] <Mooga> ig2g
[23:35] <Mooga> back in 30
[23:35] <jast-mxm> ok i can fix that too
[23:35] <Mooga> I have to run an eran
[23:36] <jast-mxm> kk i'll be here when you get back
[23:36] <Mooga> thanks a million man :)
[23:36] <Mooga> lol
[23:36] <Mooga> irony
[23:36] <Claybrain145> eh, it happens
[23:40] <roman> hi , what's this error and how i can repair him. ""
[23:40] <roman> n audio editor and live playback tool. It supports many music and voice formats including WAV, AIFF, Ogg Vorbis, Speex and MP3, multichannel editing and LADSPA effects plugins.
[23:40] <roman> Sweep operates on various 8/16/24/32 bit PCM files. Other major formats handled are GSM 6.10, G721, G723, NIST Sphere and DWVW
[23:40] <roman> Sweep contains filters and e
[23:41] <holycow> hi guys
[23:41] <roman> sorry; this is error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[23:41] <holycow> does anyone know when python bindings for kde4 might be packaged? or are they already available?
[23:41] <holycow> i'm not seeing them in the repos
[23:42] <holycow> oh nm
[23:42] <holycow> hardy
[23:42] <holycow> thats fine forgot
[23:51] <jast-mxm> woohoo dual monitors, oh yeah
[23:51] <jast-mxm> i need to launch another panel though to put an app launcher on and etc, how do i add an additonal panel?
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> jast-mxm: right-click --> add new panel
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> *right-click panel
[23:52] <jast-mxm> in kde4 i don't have the option to add a new panel
[23:53] <jast-mxm> i just get panel settings and add widgets
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> jast-mxm: don't know in kde4... sorry
[23:58] <kkathman> does someone have a link to the most recent instructions for installing compiz-fusion on Kubuntu Gutsy ?