[00:14] <Rinchen> sistpoty, you mean like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/lpia/haskell-utils ?
[00:15] <sistpoty> Rinchen: yes... thanks a lot!
[00:16] <Rinchen> sistpoty, welcome, a lot! :-)
[00:17] <Rinchen> sistpoty, the way to find that in the future should be obvious now that you know the url.. goto ubuntu, select the version, then the arch, and then search on the package
[00:17] <Rinchen> you can skip the arch and just search from the version (e.g. hardy)
[00:18] <sistpoty> Rinchen: I guess I must admit, that I've never clicked myself through (but now I know of the /<arch>/ thingy, thanks again!)
[00:21] <jkakar> FYI, changing bug state continues to be very slow (on edge).
[00:22] <jkakar> The FF2 spinner has been going for abuot 2 minutes.  I'm waiting for OOPS to kill my request.
[00:24] <jkakar> Just now got the static page with content: 'Please try again.  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.'
[00:33] <jkakar> It's very weird.  LP is flipping from quick usable to slow-like-molasses and unusable.
[00:41] <Rinchen> jkakar, you're getting the basic "please try again?"
[00:41] <Rinchen> jkakar, I'm interested in the URL you are trying to access
[00:42] <jkakar> Rinchen: I was.  I waited a few moments and got pretty much instant handling of my request.
[00:43] <jkakar> Rinchen: I was accessing the +editstatus for bug #207904.  I was changing the status from 'In Progress' to 'Fix Committed' and including a comment along the lines of 'Merged to <branch> r<revno> [r=<reviewer1>,<reviewer2>].'
[00:43] <ubotu> Bug 207904 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/207904 is private
[00:44] <Rinchen> jkakar, perfect. Please put that + the date time into an email to -users.  
[00:44] <jkakar> Rinchen: Sure thing.
[00:45] <Rinchen> jkakar, thanks.
[00:45]  * Rinchen -> dinner
[01:46] <Rinchen> jkakar, perfect email, thanks. 
[01:47] <jkakar> Rinchen: np!
[01:47] <jkakar> Rinchen: Any ideas about what's going on?
[01:48] <jkakar> Rinchen: Oh, I just noticed the topic... I guess you're still discoverating.
[01:48] <Rinchen> jkakar, we've had a bunch of odd things happen over the last few days.  An appserver that failed to die, some communications issues with bzr-lp,  and some other items. 
[01:50] <Rinchen> jkakar, we also made a significant enhancement to the config infrastructure that was not trivial and we're working out the issues.  It will ultimately allow us to administer the systems and deploy specific types of changes much faster, easier, and without issues.
[01:50] <jkakar> Rinchen: Ouch.  It's always harder to debug these issues when multiple things fail (or don't) and cause strange behaviour.
[01:51] <Rinchen> jkakar, yeah, that's why we needed another day. We kept finding little things. I think we have them all addressed except for the bzr item.
[01:52] <jkakar> Ah, that might explain the randomness... I'm imagining appservers in differing states where one will be responsive and another not.
[01:52] <Rinchen> jkakar, that's VERY accurate 
[01:53] <Rinchen> jkakar, that's the other thing I'm going to look at more on Monday
[01:54] <Rinchen> I'm beat. I'm ... I'll see you all later.
[01:54] <jkakar> Configuration changes are hard.  Any automated test you come up with isn't the same as trying it For Real(tm).
[01:54] <Fujitsu> There are two Zope processes running on each of the two production appservers, aren't there? So even one being dead is noticable?
[01:54] <jkakar> Rinchen: Cool, take care.  Thanks for your help today.
[01:55] <Rinchen> jkakar, well, we have have a reasonable test for configs but we were using ZConfig for things it probably wasn't meant to do :-)
[01:55] <jkakar> Ah, hehe.
[01:56] <Rinchen> jkakar, that's what we're in the middle of fixing, baby step by baby step
[01:56] <Rinchen> We'll have more oops and timeout related data after this weekend's use so it should help pinpoint the troubled spots better on Monday
[01:57] <Rinchen> Before we roll to production, we roll to a staging environment which contains a duplicate of the production data
[01:58] <Rinchen> we'll often catch issues there, fix them, and in the process, write tests for them so we can catch them with our test suit
[01:58] <Rinchen> e
[01:58] <Fujitsu> But nobody uses staging, so it's no good for testing load...
[01:58] <Rinchen> Fujitsu, oh you'd be surprised .... :-D
[01:58] <Rinchen> but it's not like a full production, load, correct
[01:58] <Rinchen> Edge gives us some idea of how the code performs under load
[01:59] <Fujitsu> Except for DB patches.
[01:59] <Rinchen> correct. We use Staging for that
[01:59] <Rinchen> as best we can
[01:59] <Rinchen> and it works very well
[01:59] <Rinchen> but it's not production
[01:59] <Rinchen> it is as close to production as we can get though
[02:00] <Rinchen> it has basically all of the services and offerings that production has, just scaled down to one machine
[02:00] <Rinchen> (well, a few machines)
[02:00] <Fujitsu> It doesn't have Soyuzy bits, does it?
[02:01] <Rinchen> parts of it, the other are on dogfood if you're familiar with that system
[02:01] <Fujitsu> I am.
[02:01] <Fujitsu> Anyway, you were going.
[02:01] <Rinchen> oh, yes, I was wasn't I
[02:01] <Rinchen> :_0
[02:01] <Rinchen> ok, toodles
[02:02] <Fujitsu> Bye.
[02:12] <nepbabu> am i supposed to be worried?
[02:12] <nepbabu> launchpad.ubuntu.com uses an invalid security certificate.
[02:12] <nepbabu> The certificate is only valid for launchpad.net.
[02:12] <nepbabu> (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
[02:13] <nepbabu> ff3b4 
[02:15] <Fujitsu> nepbabu: You shouldn't be using launchpad.ubuntu.com.
[02:15] <Fujitsu> That has been deprecated for more than 3 years.
[02:15] <nepbabu> Fujitsu: i see.. thanks mate. :)
[02:33] <Vadi> How can I remove a user from a team? I added the wrong one by accident.
[02:33] <Vadi> Found it, nvm.
[03:01] <awmcclain> Would it be possible to host a copy of my custom-built debian package so that I can apt-get it and automatically retrieve all the dependencies?
[03:08] <Fujitsu> awmcclain: PPA will do that for Ubuntu, but not Debian.
[04:03] <awmcclain> Fujitsu: Sorry, I meant to say an ubuntu package (.deb) Is it time consuming to set up?
[04:23] <Fujitsu> awmcclain: Not really; see https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[05:45] <arnetheduck> hi, any bzr-repo-on-launchpad admins around? I've got a lock that won't expire on my repository and could use some help =)
[05:48] <Fujitsu> arnetheduck: Use bzr break-lock.
[05:48] <arnetheduck> Fujitsu, ah - I'll try that, thanks!
[05:53] <arnetheduck> Fujitsu, nice, it even worked =) I'm used to svn where those things need to be done by hand often...
[05:53] <Fujitsu> You'll never look back to svn, let me assure you.
[05:57] <arnetheduck> hehe, a bold statement - it's pretty nice so far in my long two-day experience though
[06:06] <awmcclain> arnetheduck: I converted my team from SVN to bzr. Best decision I've made.
[06:16] <arnetheduck> awmcclain, so did I - so far the results are good...now it just has to stand the test of time
[06:17] <awmcclain> Bear with it. It's totally worth the flexibility you gain.
[06:18] <awmcclain> we just had a tiny emergency and we were able to shelve all of our work and push a new feature out in less than a day.
[06:19] <Fujitsu> Merging in SVN sucks.
[06:21] <awmcclain> everything in svn sucks
[06:21] <awmcclain> branching
[06:21] <awmcclain> bleh
[06:21] <Fujitsu> SVN doesn't branch.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Not really.
[06:22] <awmcclain> The only thing SVN has for it is a nifty eclipse plugin
[06:22] <Fujitsu> But Eclipse also sucks :P
[06:22] <Fujitsu> RAM, that is.
[06:22] <awmcclain> This is true. :)
[07:12] <arnetheduck> the bzr eclipse plugin sucks - that's what I miss the most
[07:12] <Fujitsu> There was discussion at the most recent bzr sprint about IDE integration.
[07:13] <Fujitsu> I've never seen the point of IDEs, so it's not a problem for me :)
[07:13] <arnetheduck> depends on the task for me
[07:15] <arnetheduck> what I don't quite understand is why the various vcs plugins for eclipse differ so much...they do pretty much the same thing after all...
[07:16] <Fujitsu> It would make sense for Eclipse to provide a unified VCS plugin API. But that would make too much sense to happen.
[07:16] <arnetheduck> I mean - compare to base revision (bzr diff...) is really identical across all vcs's
[07:17] <arnetheduck> and yet, it's not there in the bzr plugin...
[07:18] <arnetheduck> the svn plugin is pretty extensible, they already support 3 different svn backends (command line, pure java and jni) so just adding a bzr backend there would get rid of all the boilerplate (specially since the command line bit is very similar for many commands)
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #208673 in rosetta "same plural forms in all packages in one language" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208673
[09:31] <asabil> anyone can help me with code mirroring from svn ?
[09:32] <asabil> I have troubles with google code svn
[10:25] <kiko> asabil, yes, what product are you importing?
[10:26] <asabil> waf
[10:26] <asabil> kiko: https://launchpad.net/waf
[10:27] <kiko> asabil, well, I'll try, but keep in mind that google code's svn is very flaky and usually fails on the first 10 attempts :-(
[10:27] <kiko> asabil, and we want to import everything under trunk -- utils, doc, wafadmin, etc?
[10:29] <asabil> yes
[10:29] <asabil> thanks
[10:31] <kiko> asabil, it's running -- we'll know soon whether it works or not.
[10:31] <kiko> asabil, how many revisions does it have on trunk?
[10:32] <asabil> 2921
[10:32] <kiko> ouch
[10:32] <kiko> asabil, can you get a dump of the repository itself?
[10:32] <kiko> that many revisions.. not sure if google code is actually going to like us 
[10:33] <asabil> :/ how can I get the dump ?
[10:33] <kiko> well..
[10:33] <kiko> let's wait to see if this runs first. I'm not sure if or how googlecode lets you dump svn.
[10:34] <asabil> okidoki
[10:50] <mdke> lifeless: around?
[11:10] <mdke> lifeless: when you are, I wondered if you had any thoughts on the ubuntu-docs branches; we need to branch soon for intrepid so need to decide whether to start a new branch with the new format or branch from our existing hardy branch
[11:40] <Halabund> Is there a way to cancel/delete one's launchpad account?
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Halabund: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit, down the bottom.
[11:41] <Halabund> Thanks you!
[11:42] <Halabund> *Thank
[12:19] <jmehdi> Hi, I've a question about ppa. Yesterday I've uploaded my "webstrict" package here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntume.team/+archive, but there had been an error during the build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12955780/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.webstrict_1.0-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[12:20] <jmehdi> it seems the http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntume.team folder was not up-to-date, but today it seems ok. So how can I relaunch the build ?
[12:26] <Fujitsu> jmehdi: Find the page for the failed build, where there will be a `Retry build' link in the actions portlet on the left.
[12:28] <jmehdi> ok, found it, thanks ;)
[12:30] <jmehdi> hmmm, strange, now it says it couldn't find package icedtea-java7-jdk, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12962567/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.webstrict_1.0-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[12:31] <jmehdi> but I've built this package successfully on hardy alpha...
[12:33] <Fujitsu> I believe icedtea was removed from Hardy recently.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> You should use OpenJDK 6 now.
[12:36] <jmehdi> ok, I'll update my package, thank you very much Fujitsu
[12:38] <jmehdi> oh, after updating to openjdk should I delete my current package or increment its version?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> increment the version.  it's good practice.
[12:38] <pochu> is it possible to request a second svn import for a project? and if so, how? I couldn't find it when registering a branch
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #208759 in launchpad "500 when pulling file contents from bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208759
[13:14] <kiko> pysvn._pysvn.ClientError: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'
[13:14] <kiko> PROPFIND of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 502 Bad Gateway (http://waf.googlecode.com)
[13:19] <kiko> asabil, retrying :-(
[13:20] <asabil> kiko: it fails with bzr-svn as well
[13:20] <kiko> googlecode doesn't like us
[13:26] <asabil> kiko: is it possible to retry without restarting from 0 ?
[13:32] <fta> is it possible to have a bzr branch attached to a user or a team but not to a project ?
[13:34] <laga> yes, it will be automagically assigned to the "junk" project ;)
[13:36] <fta> I just have to push to ~id/branchname ?
[13:38] <laga> i think i registered the branch in launchpad before and it gave me the url
[13:41] <fta> ok, thanks
[15:04] <Ng> hmm, I find myself unable to push code to my lp project
[15:04] <Ng> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://cmsj@bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome-terminator/terminator/trunk/
[15:04] <Ng> Unable to obtain lock lp--1227239252:///lock
[15:04] <Ng> held by cmsj@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #12177]
[15:05] <laga> Ng: bzr break-lock ?
[15:05] <laga> you might have to bzr bind to the branch before..
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #208805 in launchpad "Allow batch management of member applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208805
[15:14] <Ng> hmm
[15:14] <Ng> I seem to be fighting myself for locks
[15:16] <Ng> break-lock broke the first lock, but the branch is now locked by break-lock's lock ;)
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #173204 in ubuntu "data info is incorrect for spanish translation" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173204
[16:58] <afflux> I've subscribed for bugmail of "ubuntu/+source/screenlets/", do I get [NEW] notifications for private bugs  then? (I'm in bugcontrol, the bug contact)
[16:59] <Adri2000> I don't think so
[17:00] <Adri2000> at least I don't get new private bugs notifications for a package I'm subscribed to, although I'm in MOTU which is afaik part of bugcontrol
[17:01] <afflux> it is, yes
[17:02] <afflux> It is also a direct member of ubuntu-crashes-*
[17:02] <afflux> hm, is this behaviour intended? Should it be changed? Or maybe there should be an option to do this?
[18:54] <qense> is there a way to use another langauge, instead of English, as base language if you don't have enough translations
[18:54] <qense> for example frisian doesn't have much translated but all frisian speakers do know dutch
[18:55] <qense> So it would be better if there would be a layer of Frisian first, than Dutch and for the rest English
[18:55] <qense> but is that possible?
[18:57] <mc__> Is it possible to add comments to blueprints?
[19:43] <dneary> qense: You can set language order, yes
[19:43] <qense> ok
[19:43] <qense> and is that used for frisian? since most things looked english
[19:44] <dneary> qense: IIRC, back in the days when we used LC_ALL and LANGUAGE, the format was something like fr_CH.utf8;fr_FR.utf8;fr_CH;fr_FR;fr
[19:44] <dneary> but I could be completely wrong
[19:44] <dneary> It's a system thing, though, not something a translator sets up
[19:45] <dneary> The user sets their fallback languages
[19:49] <dneary> qense: It's with colons, not semi-colons
[19:49] <dneary> And it's in the environment variable LANG
[19:49] <qense> ah, ok, thx
[19:49] <dneary> or LANGUAGE
[19:49] <dneary> Not sure
[20:08] <POX_> hi; seriously, how can I unsubscribe my email from bugs like 204895 ?
[20:11] <POX_> or 199014 (milestones)
[20:12] <andrea-bs> POX_: just click on "Subscribe" in the left menu
[20:12] <andrea-bs> *Unsubscribe
[20:12] <POX_> doesn't work for milestones
[20:13] <POX_> I can hit "Subscribe" only (and I don't want to receive it twice)
[20:13] <andrea-bs> bug 199014
[20:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199014 in zsi "python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199014 - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[20:13] <POX_> milestone or group bugs or whatever they're called
[20:14] <andrea-bs> bug 204895
[20:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204895 in willowng "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895 - Assigned to Albert Damen (albrt)
[20:15] <andrea-bs> POX_: are you subscribed to a project/package?
[20:15] <pochu> POX_: that's because you're a bug contact of some of the packages affected, and thus are in "Also notified"
[20:16] <pochu> POX_: I agree though you should be able to unsubscribe even if you are a bug contact
[20:16] <POX_> I understand why I reveived it for the first time
[20:16] <POX_> I just don't want to receive it antmore as my package is already fixed
[20:16] <doko> andrea-bs: if you can work out a fix, please do (I would just add a workaround)
[20:17] <andrea-bs> doko: I only wanted to check the subscribers of the bug ;)
[21:44] <mdke> I've requested translation downloads twice today from Launchpad but nothing has been forthcoming. Is there a known issue?
[21:52] <fta> is the bazaar server down ?
[22:02] <Nafallo> fta: you might want to read the topic.
[22:04] <fta> oh, ok
[22:05] <fta> it's not even performance, it's now completely dead
[22:05] <fta> at least for bzr+ssh push
[22:05] <Fujitsu> It's probably related to mdke's complaint.
[22:05] <fta> Permission denied (publickey).
[22:05] <fta> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[22:06] <mdke> fta: you need to specify your username if it's different to the one on your system
[22:06] <mdke> that might be the reason for "permission denied", I suppose
[22:07] <fta> i've pushed zillions of time to those branches
[22:07] <mdke> I don't doubt it
[22:08] <fta> i mean, i know how it works, and even today, it worked fine up to an hour ago
[22:09] <mdke> ok. Perhaps it has been taken down while they are working on it
[22:12] <mdke> I've tried a "bzr up" in one of my branches, nothing is happening
[22:21] <lifeless> mdke: its my weekend; I will be looking at it monday I hope
[22:35] <emgent> heya
[22:38] <Humpel> Hi there
[22:39] <Humpel> bzr is driving me nuts again ;). When I try to push my local branch to launchpad I get the following error:
[22:39] <Fujitsu> Humpel: That's known, see the topic.
[22:40] <Fujitsu> Although it's a bit more severe than what's there now.
[22:40] <Fujitsu> w]/win 35
[22:40] <Humpel> Fujitsu: so it is a performance issue ?
[22:40] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[22:40] <Fujitsu> Humpel: It was previously, but now it's a 100% degradation :P
[22:40] <Humpel> *g*
[22:41] <Humpel> OK, at least it it not me being stupid (I hope) ;)
[22:42] <Humpel> even though it seems strange to get a "Permission denied (publickey)." error due to performance / timeout...
[22:42] <Fujitsu> Something's very wrong, and nobody is awake to fix it.
[22:43] <Humpel> too sad. well, at least I can go to bed now and don't have to keep on trying and thinking about it.
[22:44] <Humpel> thanks for the info!
[22:44] <Humpel> and hopefully it will be working soon again.
[22:44] <Humpel> CU!
[23:07] <mdke> lifeless: ok thanks
[23:10] <emgent> hi mdke
[23:31] <fta> lp is dead for bugs too ? damn
[23:32] <fta> transient oops only
[23:32] <fta> nm
[23:32] <Fujitsu> LP does that.
[23:32] <Fujitsu> And the wiki is mostly down.