[00:14] <sarixe> hi, when i try to play videos, in any player, gstreamer, xine, anything, the colors are messed up.  i believe it may be missing a color channel, but i'm not sure.  any help?
[00:18] <Koji-Murasame> Nejode: I just installed EnvyNG and installed the driver. Waiting for reboot now to see if it worked.
[00:20] <Smegzor> I've lost the ability to administer shares.  There menu item for sharing is missing.  There was a Samba update earlier, also I forced gnome to rebuild .gnome2 by renaming the old folder.  How do I get sharing back?
[00:20] <Koji-Murasame> Nope. It's the same as installing with jockey. I'll try some older driver versions though
[00:24] <Laney> Does anyone know how to query my DBUS session bus from a SSH session? I'm trying to get the current song in Rhythmbox but it doesn't work. :(
[00:26] <sourcemaker> I have install the current hardy beta version... now I have the problem... that the KDE session crashs very often and kdm restarts... is this a known problem?
[00:27] <jessica> i need to get my fan problem fixed my fan needs to be going faster my laptop is overheating
[00:32] <talntidwrk> hi :)
[00:32] <talntidwrk> Intel wireless 1395 not working in Hardy... ideas? :)
[00:33] <talntidwrk> worked in Gutsy... so if its not a simple fix, i'll just jump back to gutsy for a while.. :) no worries
[00:40] <Jaymac> yay my hardy upgrade was a success :) hello busybox hehe
[00:42] <jeffwheeler> I'm sure this is obvious (and non-Ubuntu+1-specific), but the backlight on my MacBook Pro keeps turning real low after a few seconds, and I have to press the backlight buttons to get it back up; is there any way to leave it as I have it?
[00:42] <Jaymac> jeffwheeler: that happens when using OS X as well doesn't it?
[00:42] <Jaymac> or is that just after a few seconds idle perhaps?
[00:43] <jeffwheeler> Jaymac: nope, and it stays low even when I am not idle
[00:43] <jeffwheeler> Jaymac: OS X will disable it after a set amount of time, which by default is about fifteen minutes, but this happens after about 30 seconds
[00:44] <jeffwheeler> and stays off until I hold the "increase backlight" button up to the max again
[00:44] <Jaymac> well at least you have an 8.04 desktop :) my upgrade left me with a busybox prompt - hangs on mounting root fs... i'll chroot in tomorrow and see if i can fix it
[00:44] <jeffwheeler> I usually use Debian (on an old Dell), but I figured I'd try the beta; it is definitely pretty.
[00:47] <hmuller> RAOF:  Learned something new today about my nvidia geforce 84xx (integrated) today
[00:48] <jeffwheeler> Ah, figured it out: it was looking at ambient lighting. I'm not in terribly bright room (nor dark) and it would still go all the way to the minimum brightness.
[00:50] <jessica> i need help i need to have control over my fan in my pc
[00:50] <kumarphilly> hmm
[00:50] <kumarphilly> what are you trying to do
[00:51] <kumarphilly> unless its connected to the mobo directly you will needa use a manual fan controler or just unplug it when ya don't need it
[00:51] <kumarphilly> I honestly think its usless though
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> kumarphilly: laptop?
[00:54] <kumarphilly> nosrednaekim, what do you mean?
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> kumarphilly: laptops need fan control
[00:54] <kumarphilly> oh right
[00:54] <kumarphilly> sorry
[00:55] <evan_> hey can any one help me everytime i start x it does it in gl mode and that makes my compter lagg like my grandmother :O
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> evan_: remove xserver-xgl
[00:57] <evan_> nosrednaekim, its not installed
[00:57] <Luckrider> Does anyone know how I can use a theme I created in emerald?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: with emerald:P
[00:58] <Luckrider> yes
[00:58] <Luckrider> I created it using emerald
[00:58] <Luckrider> I just can;tfigure out how to use it
[00:58] <Luckrider> *can't figure
[00:59] <Luckrider> I do have/use compiz fusion
[01:00] <Luckrider> I just miss haveing my emerald themes that i had with Gusty Fiesty and Edgy
[01:01] <farkewie> Hi can anyone tell me how to test bluetooth on hardy herron?
[01:01] <Luckrider> i have the same problem
[01:01] <talntidwrk> try it?
[01:02] <Luckrider> I can;t get it to work
[01:02] <Luckrider> (bluetooth
[01:02] <savvas> Luckrider: he didn't say he has a problem with it :)
[01:02] <farkewie> sorry im not sure how to test it on linux but when i use my phone to scan i cant see it
[01:03] <heartsblood> Is all (or most of) the software in hardy SID?
[01:03] <Luckrider> oh
[01:03] <Luckrider> duh
[01:03] <farkewie> my bluetooth says all the services are running and it should be visible
[01:04] <ricky_> i have a laptop with the imfamous broadcom chipset, 4311, and i could get it to work on the last release.
[01:04] <ricky_> i tried the beta a6, and it wont work at all
[01:04] <savvas> farkewie: system > administration > bluetooth > general > check the two file transfer boxes
[01:04] <Stwange> what is the planned release date?
[01:04] <ricky_> does anyone know if that will be fixed by the time of its full release?
[01:04] <savvas> Stwange: google hardy release schedule
[01:04] <farkewie> they are checked
[01:05] <Stwange> cheers savvas, it would have taken me ages to get the right search phrase
[01:05] <ricky_> the restricted drivers module shows nothing at all....
[01:05] <ricky_> i can manually use ndiswrapper, but it wont work....
[01:06] <heartsblood> is there a way to see exactly what versions of software are being using in hardy?
[01:06] <savvas> Stwange: I'm sorry if you expected a direct answer :)
[01:06] <farkewie> is there something similar to a windows device manager to see if its installed?
[01:06] <savvas> the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule is the first hit for that phrase
[01:07] <ricky_> does anyone know the exact day for the final release?
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> 24th
[01:07] <Stwange> nah savvas - I wasn't being sarcastic, it probably would have done. I'm still confused though... should I wait til May 22nd for it to be completely ready for a production machine?
[01:08] <ricky_> i was thingking about downloading it then, and trying again, but figured someone in the room might know if the broadcom chipset would be able to be used with either ndiswrapper or with the firmware extracter? does anyone know?
[01:09] <m12> seems there is again wlan problems in HH. many ppl complain on it, and i am one of them, using prism54usb that worked on GG but now dont work as expected. : http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c , anyone have clue what is going on ?
[01:09] <savvas> farkewie: i'm not sure, sorry, I haven't tried any bluetooth devices - try searching for it ubuntuforums.org or something :)
[01:10] <ricky_> yea, right, but does anyone know if that is going to be fixed for the final release?
[01:10] <hmuller> heartsblood:  take a look at System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[01:10] <heartsblood> I don't have it installed
[01:10] <m12> ricky_ , dont think so, it is too close to release date
[01:10] <heartsblood> I want to take a look at software versions before I make that jump
[01:11] <ricky_> ok, thanks.....
[01:11] <savvas> Stwange: expect the final release around april 28th (give or take 5 days), the final-final release will be 8.04.1, fixing any last minute bugs :)
[01:11] <hmuller> heartsblood:  you have a terminal?
[01:11] <m12> ricky_ but dont take me for granted
[01:11] <m12> i am just user...
[01:11] <heartsblood> do I have a terminal?
[01:12] <heartsblood> yes.
[01:12] <Flannel> savvas: 8.04.1 is a point release, not the final-final, and it is more-than-likely for bugs in the installation media only (well, with a version rollup as a side effect)
[01:12] <hmuller> heartsblood: $ sudo synaptic
[01:12] <Flannel> hmuller, heartsblood, gksu synaptic
[01:12] <hmuller> heartsblood:  or just plain synaptic
[01:13] <hmuller> Flannel: sudo still works, if gksu works better, then please explain
[01:13] <Flannel> !gksu
[01:13] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[01:13] <Flannel> hmuller: gksu should be used for graphical apps.  They setup environments different, sudo can cause issues with perms in your home dir (stuff owned by root)
[01:13] <Flannel> obviously on kde, you use kdesu
[01:14] <heartsblood> not trying to nitpick here, but exactly how do I see Hardy version #s from a gutsy install?
[01:14] <Flannel> heartsblood: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:15] <heartsblood> ty
[01:15] <evan_> help im getting realy crazy everytime i bootup i have to disable GL Desktop with heavy lag when i open Gnome Compiz Preferences it gives me an error ( error at loading or saving configuration information for gnome compiz Preferences )
[01:15] <evan_> bootup must be start x
[01:16] <evan_> this are the details of the error Ongelijk type: Verwachtte lijst, kreeg string
[01:16] <evan_> this are the details of the error sorrie translation " expected list, got string "
[01:17] <farkewie> ok so it looks like my bluetooth card is not being detected. i used to have it disabedin windows could it still be disabled?
[01:17] <hmuller> Flannel: I had to quit chatzilla to try the example.  I understand your point now, but it doesn't appear to be to be that critical, to paraphrase the material.
[01:19] <Flannel> hmuller: We've weeded out most of the offending apps, but they're still out there.  Besides its a good habit anyway, even if you don't do it yourself
[01:19] <heartsblood> Flannel, found exactly what I wanted to know, appreciate it.
[01:19] <hmuller> Flannel: agreed, seems gksudo would be better though
[01:20] <ethana2> yarr, scim seems to have stopped working in firefox3
[01:20] <ethana2> gaaahhhhh
[01:20] <hmuller> scim not playing well with pirates? =)
[01:20] <ethana2> what?
[01:20] <Flannel> hmuller: gksu and gksudo are identical
[01:20] <ethana2> ..I can't type japanese in firefox now
[01:20] <Flannel> hmuller: (one is linked to the other)
[01:20] <hmuller> ethana2: poor attempt at humor
[01:20] <ethana2> gyarr, i may have to use epiphany again, dangit
[01:21] <ethana2> ...i didn't get it, hmuller, sorry
[01:21] <hmuller> Flannel: Learned two somethings new today
[01:21] <hmuller> ethana2: no need to apologize for cultural differences =)
[01:21] <heartsblood> I learned something today!
[01:21] <heartsblood> Never ask a question about unbutnu in the debian channel ><
[01:21] <heartsblood> ubuntu*
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> heartsblood: LOL... haha
[01:22] <mneptok> heartsblood: but you learned the wrong lesson
[01:22] <mneptok> heartsblood: the real lesson was "avoid communities with no code of conduct" ;)
[01:23] <heartsblood> meh
[01:25] <jimiridge> im thinking of trying to play with xen
[01:26] <hmuller> Flannel:  gksudo is linked to gksu, but gksudo uses sudo as a backend =)
[01:26] <talntidwrk> xen is AWESOME
[01:26] <talntidwrk> using it on my production server
[01:26] <talntidwrk> but, a word of the wise
[01:27] <talntidwrk> don't try it with hardy yet, networking is broken on xen with hardy.
[01:27] <talntidwrk> at least, don't use it at the main O/S.
[01:27] <talntidwrk> works OK with hardy as a virtual machine.
[01:27] <jimiridge> are you sure? maybe its been fixed
[01:28] <talntidwrk> i tried... 2 days ago
[01:28]  * mneptok would recommend KVM as a vm method in any *buntu
[01:28] <hmuller> mneptok: debs have a code of conduct, it revolves around RTFM
[01:28] <talntidwrk> so maybe it's been fixed in the last 2 days...
[01:28] <talntidwrk> .. but i doubt it
[01:29] <jimiridge> now when you say networking was broken...
[01:29] <talntidwrk> couldn't get virtual machines to talk to the main dom
[01:30] <jimiridge> do they still get lan ip's?
[01:36] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> how do I determine which locale I'm running in?
[01:38] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I need to know for a gcalctool bug
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> WOW.... hardy has a nice fast boot!
[01:42] <Turski> not any faster than any other...
[01:43] <dbmoodb> ah mega breakage
[01:43] <hmuller> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: $ locale          or $ locale -a
[01:43] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> cheers mate
[01:43] <hmuller> cheers
[01:43] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: thanks to dash!
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> dash?
[01:43] <hmuller> it's smaller than bash
[01:44] <dbmoodb> is this happening for others too ?....
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> this is a 1.7GHZ celeron with a laptop drive and its booting in 30 seconds to KDM... my 1.6GHZ dual core turion can't even manage that
[01:44] <hmuller> you'll notice your login shell is bash, but all the startup scripts run as dash, sh is a symlink to dash
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: interesting...
[01:45] <dbmoodb> eh hardy is using dash instead of bash ?
[01:46] <Turski> ...but all the startup scripts run as dash...
[01:46] <setuid> Unless you change the default
[01:46] <hydrogen> its been that way for a while
[01:46] <hmuller> dbmoodb: your login shell is bash, all the startup is run as Turski says, dash
[01:46] <setuid> dpkg-reconfigure
[01:48] <hmuller> !dash | hmuller
[01:48] <mneptok> the switch to dash from bash was like 2 release ago :)
[01:49] <hmuller> Yes, but most don't realize that's why Ubuntu boots faster than some
[01:50] <hydrogen> I think thats a load of bunk
[01:50] <hydrogen> myself
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> mneptok: did they just streamline Upstart then?
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: I was comparing it to 7.10 ;)
[01:50] <robinson> hey. How can i get liquidweather to work in KDE4/Kubuntu Hardy? I get an error about kross library, but when i search apt, i can find no reference to kross
[01:50] <robinson> btw, liqudweather is a superkaramba widget
[01:50] <setuid> robinson, apt-file search kross
[01:50] <robinson> no luck, i tried searching for kross in adept manager
[01:50] <Luke___> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[01:51] <setuid> apt-file != adept
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> robinson: known kde4 bug.... you can't run superkaramba
[01:51] <robinson> oh
[01:51] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: I wish mine booted faster than Gutsy, but I'm not seeing a major difference.
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> robinson: yeah... the kross stuff was never packaged up or something
[01:51] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: But I'm not using KDE either
[01:51] <setuid> robinson, There's hundreds of references to libkross in the apt-file results
[01:52] <setuid> # apt-file search kross | wc -l
[01:52] <setuid> 125
[01:52] <dbmoodb> hmuller: kde is a lost faster feeling atm than gnome - starts up faster etc... just to me ...
[01:52] <robinson> hmmm.. apt-file shows "command not found", i just searched it in adept
[01:52] <tomahasamoot> I've just installed, and updated kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, and kdesu isn't working... if I want to use adept_manager, or systemsettings, I have to run them with sudo from a terminal... I tried reinstalling kdesudo, but it didn't help
[01:52] <setuid> robinson, install apt-file
[01:52] <robinson> no matter, though, if superkaramba will not work in kde4
[01:52] <lubosz> hi
[01:52] <lubosz> anybody experienced with bootchart?
[01:52] <hmuller> dbmoodb: I like the cheerios feel to gnome
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: well,kdm is slow, but this is still an improvement
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> or maybe this laptop just boots fast compared to my other one... it DOES have a sata drive
[01:53] <setuid> hrm
[01:53] <setuid> cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -
[01:53] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: that's the diff
[01:53] <hmuller> the sata diff
[01:53] <Turski> tomahasamoot: wtf, 8.10?
[01:53] <lubosz> i installed bootchart but no bootchart.tgz is generated, how come?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> really? are you kiddin?
[01:53] <Luke> Turski: he mant 8.04
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> its stil 5400RPM
[01:54] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: You be the judge!
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> tomahasamoot: can you run them from the terminal with kdesudo?
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yeah... later next week i'm installing it on this laptop and we'll see :)
[01:55] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: you can check the throughput on both using :  $ hdparm -tT /dev/<device>
[01:55] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: both meaning the previous drive and your newer sata
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yeah.. I will
[01:56] <robinson> in kde4, is there a way to set the font size for the digital clock? mine runs slightly off screen along the bottom edge. I can choose the font, but i dont see a setting for size
[01:56] <dbmoodb> if it has sata it probably is just faster anyway
[01:56] <dbmoodb> (newer)
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> robinson: don't think so
[01:56] <tomahasamoot> nosrednaekim: no, just sudo
[01:56] <savvas> damn, this quality of service setup is really annoying. i simply can't do it, i have to be a network guru to have a working network while i upload & report important crashes :(
[01:57] <savvas> the weirdest thing is that during the upgrades, the irc connection has been improved, and at least i don't get disconnected here
[01:58] <robinson> i realize i'm asking questions all over the map, but will disabling IPV6 in firefox still speed up browsing, or is this no longer an issue?
[01:58] <setuid> /dev/sda:
[01:58] <setuid>  Timing cached reads:   3270 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1632.29 MB/sec
[01:58] <setuid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  164 MB in  3.01 seconds =  54.42 MB/sec
[01:58] <dbmoodb> well it might, test
[01:58]  * setuid loves his new laptop ;) 
[01:59] <savvas> robinson: how slow is it? :) ipv6 is the next big step of the internet, disabling it will prevent you from reaching some websites
[01:59] <dbmoodb> ipv6 is only useful if you have a ipv6 connection, if you do then dance
[01:59] <setuid> savvas, Not for several years
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> setuid: HOOLY CRAP!
[01:59] <setuid> Most providers and core net infrastructure isn't ipv6-enabled
[01:59] <robinson> not terrible.. I have 6MB service, but it seems that it takes pages a bit longer on my laptop than on my desktop. I will change the setting in firefox, try it, then change it back if there is no change
[01:59] <setuid> nosrednaekim, what?
[02:00] <dbmoodb> you can get a tunnel tho
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> setuid: i'm only getting 876 out of this one !
[02:00] <savvas> by 2010-2015 you'll see some ip handling problems :P
[02:00] <setuid> by 2015, IP will be something completely different
[02:00] <dbmoodb> savvas: we have smart internets makers they are ultrasssmarts hene no problems
[02:00] <savvas> setuid: yeah, unreadable, unusable, and not worthy to look at :p
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yep... the hard drive in this lappt is only half as fast.,..... wow
[02:01] <robinson> hmmm.. no noticeable difference to me.. i'll just change it back
[02:01] <setuid> nosrednaekim, Mine is a 5400rpm 320gig drive
[02:01] <dbmoodb> nosrednaekim: you did not run a benchmark so i would not be saying that .... consider the read / write to be some what slower
[02:01] <setuid> It came out of a Western Digital Passport enclosure
[02:01] <setuid> External, usb-enabled enclosure that is
[02:02] <dbmoodb> ask the firefox guys if it makes any difference (there are tests you can run)
[02:02] <savvas> dbmoodb: i agree on that, but i still expect everything human-made to have flaws, some other bright fellow will surely detect it and get billions from it :)
[02:02] <DanaG> What's that disk benchmark?
[02:02] <setuid> DanaG, hdparm -Tt
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: what, timed disk reads aren't a benchmark?
[02:03] <lubosz> why is my boot splash dropping to console when kjournald is starting?
[02:03] <setuid> I'm hammering the disk at the moment too, because I've got a vmware session loaded and the drive is an encrypted LVM, which thrashes the hell out of the disk
[02:03] <DanaG>  Timing cached reads:   2322 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1161.50 MB/sec
[02:03] <DanaG>  Timing buffered disk reads:  188 MB in  3.02 seconds =  62.17 MB/sec
[02:03] <dbmoodb> using those alone i would not be saying that the disk is 1/2 the speed - because there are other factors
[02:03] <setuid> DanaG, laptop?
[02:03] <DanaG> Yup.  Hitachi 7K200-200.
[02:03] <setuid> I'll shut down my vm and re-test
[02:03] <dbmoodb> ... disk down and up problems DanaG ?
[02:04] <setuid> ATA device, with non-removable media
[02:04] <setuid>         Model Number:       WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0
[02:04] <DanaG> Load cycles?  Those happen to me, too.
[02:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, download and burn UBCD, and you can change the drive's 'permanent' default APM settings with Hitachi Feature Tool.
[02:04] <dbmoodb> what ?
[02:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> is ddebs.ubuntu.com signed?
[02:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> can I download a key for this?
[02:05] <dbmoodb> DanaG: how does that work ? ... how do i do this ?
[02:05] <savvas>  Timing cached reads:   6180 MB in  2.00 seconds = 3092.09 MB/sec
[02:05] <savvas>  Timing buffered disk reads:  184 MB in  3.01 seconds =  61.11 MB/sec
[02:06] <hmuller> hdparm will modify your drives parameters too to improve performance, just read up first
[02:06] <DanaG> google for UBCD (Ultimate Boot CD), and download and burn it.
[02:06] <NukeSkyjumper> mouse-drag selections on the gnome desktop seem a lot slower on my hardy box since a reboot... anyone else experienced this?
[02:06] <dbmoodb> no DanaG how does it work and what would i change the setting too ?
[02:06] <hmuller> NukeSkyjumper: Using a touchpad?
[02:06] <NukeSkyjumper> hmuller: usb mouse
[02:07] <lubosz> NukeSkyjumper: read the last couple posts https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/128803
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128803 in nautilus "[Gutsy] very slow gnome startup" [Low,Invalid]
[02:07] <DanaG> Increase the APM number to "Active Idle"
[02:07] <dbmoodb> -- can ubuntu grab this as a restricted piece or link to it or something if it really does work ...?
[02:07] <lubosz> NukeSkyjumper: k, other topic :D
[02:08] <NukeSkyjumper> lubosz: it's a mouse selection thing, not related (afaik) to startup
[02:09] <hmuller> that was a cool wild goose chase lubosz, must be an issue dear to your heart  =)
[02:09] <jimiridge> anyone play with KVM kernel virtual machine?
[02:09] <setuid>  Timing cached reads:   5330 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2670.81 MB/sec
[02:09] <setuid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  186 MB in  3.00 seconds =  61.95 MB/sec
[02:09] <setuid> 1g faster cache reads when vmware is unloaded
[02:09] <jimiridge> just wanted to know if KVM supports usb access
[02:09] <lubosz> hmuller: :D i just read gnome and startup, it really sucks in hardy :D
[02:09] <hmuller> jimiridge: yes, at least in gutsy.  it works well with both xp and vista
[02:09] <setuid> Encrypted LVM eats 30% of the drive performance
[02:09] <DanaG> Too bad there isn't an hdtach for Linux.
[02:10] <jimiridge> cause i have this usb printer with no linux driver i was hoping to get working with KVM/windows
[02:10] <robinson> i have installed zsnes for playing super nintendo roms. Any idea why i dont have sound? i did in Gutsy. All my other apps have sound
[02:10] <setuid> I wish luks could use thinkfinger for authentication
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: use Virtualbox non-OSE
[02:10] <hmuller> jimiridge:  I'd have to test it again, seems if I remember usb access worked but needed work
[02:10] <jimiridge> qemu should but crapped on me last time i tried
[02:11] <jimiridge> prolly shoulda compiled it myself
[02:11] <lubosz> robinson: maybe try snes9x
[02:11] <hmuller> lubosz: I don't seem to be having gnome startup issues, knock on wood
[02:12] <lubosz> hmuller: so your gnome starts fast? its not an issue, i just need a lot of patience ^
[02:13] <jimiridge> nosrednaekim, wtf does non-OSE mean
[02:13] <jimiridge> proprietary?
[02:13] <lubosz> robinson: maybe its an emulator option
[02:13] <tomahasamoot> I'm installing java from sun.java.com, what steps should I take?  Should I remove the installed pkgs from apt?
[02:13] <hmuller> lubosz:  It doesn't start under 30 seconds, one day I'll be able to afford an instant on machine
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: yeah...
[02:13] <savvas> jimiridge: he means download virtualbox from www.virtualbox.org, not virtualbox-ose from the repositories
[02:14] <lubosz> hmuller: sure, next thing is ssdisk
[02:14] <hmuller> too bad they run about $900USD a pop
[02:14] <lubosz> lets see in 2 years
[02:14] <robinson> lubosz: perhaps. just a bit puzzled because it worked with no special tweaks in gutsy. I know that Hardy uses pulse audio, not sure how that works with regard to alsa or oss though
[02:15] <setuid> pulseaudio is a trainwreck
[02:15] <setuid> I have to kill it to get proper audio working in simultaneous apps
[02:15] <savvas> tomahasamoot: if you do that, then you get no support from here, but follow the steps the java.com website gives
[02:15] <setuid> When pulse is loaded, audio only works in one app at a time. It's a mess.
[02:15] <NukeSkyjumper> setuid: your apps are probably using the alsa compatibility sink, rather than connecting to pulse
[02:15] <robinson> then why is that being used as the standard for an LTS release?
[02:15] <setuid> Nopre
[02:15] <lubosz> lol zsnes's gui hasnt changed for 10 years
[02:15] <vbabiy-laptop> Hello what happen to ubuntu tab complete in terminal ?
[02:15] <setuid> er, Nope
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> vbabiy-laptop: bash-completion?
[02:16] <mneptok> lubosz: why should it? it works as-is.
[02:16] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: yeah
[02:16] <savvas> tomahasamoot: why do you need the java.com version of java anyway? :) sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jdk work
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> vbabiy-laptop: install the package
[02:16]  * mneptok caresses his Logitech USB gamepad
[02:16] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: its not by default any more
[02:16] <tomahasamoot> savvas: I was recommended to get java striaght from sun by the azureus crew...
[02:16] <lubosz> mneptok: its not 2008 eye candy ;)
[02:17] <mneptok> lubosz: the SNES is hardly "2008"
[02:17] <lubosz> robinson: no sound for me in zsnes
[02:17] <tomahasamoot> savvas: is sun-java6* the same thing?
[02:17] <setuid> lubosz, Kill pulseaudio and make sure it's dead, then try again
[02:17] <savvas> tomahasamoot: hardy has the newest available java, try with the already packaged versions of java, which i believe will work
[02:17] <robinson> at least i know its not just me.. i had some issues with snes9x, although i dont remember what they were...
[02:17] <tomahasamoot> savvas: okay
[02:17] <jimiridge> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/11/wifi_range_extender_5_bars_for.html
[02:18] <jimiridge> i made one of those
[02:18] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: you should not be installing Java from a web download
[02:18] <jimiridge> hopefully not removing the insulation wont affect it too much
[02:18] <setuid> mneptok, That's not true
[02:18] <savvas> tomahasamoot: you have other torrent applications, like transmission or deluge-torrent, which aren't java dependant
[02:18] <mneptok> setuid: i assure you, it is.
[02:18] <setuid> mneptok, Some of us require a working java for our jobs
[02:18] <jimiridge> wasnt till i was finished till i realized the error
[02:18] <setuid> And that working java comes from Sun
[02:18] <setuid> Not gcj and that other broken garbage in the repository
[02:18] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[02:19] <setuid> plugin != java
[02:19] <hmuller> for the nvidia masters:  When the README.txt talks about setting environment variables, they're talking about the ones we set in our login shell?
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-common
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: Java should be installed from the repos. end of story.
[02:19] <setuid> No thanks, I'll continue to use the working Java from Sun, not the tampered with one from the repo
[02:19] <mneptok> "tampered?"
[02:19] <setuid> Yes, as most repo packages are
[02:20] <savvas> he's right, the deluge-torrent package is "tampered" too :)
[02:20] <savvas> spit in two :P
[02:20] <savvas> *split
[02:20] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: is ubuntu still going to support that by default or is it going to be an install from now on
[02:20] <mneptok> setuid: i'd hazard a guess doko knows more about Debian packaging than o most Sun people.
[02:20] <hmuller> If you don't like tampered, one of my favorite distributions is LFS =)
[02:21] <lubosz> no sound in snes9express nor zsnes before and after killing pulseaudio. srlsy you guys, srsly
[02:21] <tomahasamoot> savvas: what torrent app do you like, and why?  I did try ktorrent... but it wasn't as good as azureus
[02:21] <hmuller> of course that gets real old after awhile
[02:21] <robinson> nosrednaekim: you mentioned that superkarmaba doesnt work in KDE4. I notice a package in my repository that i think was recently added... superkaramaba-kde4.. can you confirm if this is newly added?
[02:21] <savvas> vbabiy-laptop: Bug 196021 :) Martin Pitt  wrote on 2008-03-26: I added it to the 'standard' platform seed as recommends. The next update of *-meta packages will have it again.
[02:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196021 in ubuntu-meta "include bash-completion by default in hardy" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196021
[02:21] <setuid> mneptok, the problem is that most debian packaging is done by people who don't understand software development.
[02:21] <vbabiy-laptop> savvas: okay cool
[02:21] <mneptok> setuid: i assure you, doko does.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no... its been thre for a while
[02:22] <mneptok> setuid: not to mention he worked closely with Tom Marble@Sun to create the packages
[02:22] <robinson> oh. just thought maybe i installed the other one before..
[02:22] <setuid> mneptok, a. including rejected patches, b. including broken patches, c. breaking things which work flawlessly in upstream source
[02:22] <setuid> mneptok, is it in lockstep with the sun releases/
[02:22] <dbmoodb> what do you mean smart active --looking at some of their (hitachi) software cannot see that setting
[02:22] <mneptok> setuid: do you have an example related to Sun's Java?
[02:22] <setuid> grr, ubuntu just ate my meta keys
[02:22] <setuid> i hate this bug
[02:22] <setuid> it randomly takes out my keyboard layout
[02:22] <Luke> Turski: he mant 8.04
[02:23] <setuid> i can't type shift/alt/ctrl keys, any modifiers
[02:23] <Luke> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[02:23] <savvas> tomahasamoot: deluge-torrent, it's simple, has plugins for extra stuff and works without asking to update java :) also, it supports encrypted connections. be sure to use updates from www.deluge-torrent.org and not the repositories
[02:24] <hmuller> mneptok: based on the diversion, I don't think you are getting an answer <chuckle>
[02:25] <mneptok> hmuller: no big deal. i just don;t like new users getting poor advice. which installing Java from a Sun .tar.gz certainly is.
[02:27] <emma> hey
[02:27] <setuid> if you can guarantee that the Debian releases are in absolute lockstep with the Sun releases, it might be worth the switch
[02:27] <emma> do any of you know about the Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit version?
[02:27] <hmuller> agreed - unless you are going to package it yourself, so you can uninstall it if necessary.
[02:27] <tgelter> so should a lot of graphics look low-res in firefox 3? maybe it's to allow for faster rendering?
[02:27] <mneptok> setuid: if you want to use the Sun download, fine. but please do not recommend such practices to other users.
[02:28] <emma> I heard that OO.o will not run under the Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit version. Is that true? And if so, can that be fixed?  That's virtually a fatal flaw.
[02:28] <setuid> emma, Yes
[02:28] <tgelter> emma: I'm running hardy 64 bit
[02:28] <setuid> There are no debs for it, provided by Oo.org
[02:28] <hmuller> emma:  you mean amd64?
[02:28] <setuid> And the other installers coredump
[02:29] <emma> What I heard is that OO.org won't be able to run on Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit OS.
[02:29] <hmuller> emma: because if you do, it opens up just fine in amd64
[02:29] <Luke> emma: i'm on amd64 hardy and ooo runs fine
[02:29] <tgelter> emma: works fine for me too
[02:29] <setuid> Luke, Installed from where?
[02:29] <emma> Okay then. Ask setuid  -- He's the one who told me that it would not work.
[02:29] <Luke> setuid: ubuntu repos
[02:29] <setuid> That is correct. The 2.4 release _from_ Oo.org, does not work.
[02:29] <tgelter> (though, I have no icons, just text in OO.org
[02:30] <mneptok> setuid: this is why we don;t like people recommending non-packaged installations. it causes confusion.
[02:30] <tgelter> so should a lot of graphics look low-res in firefox 3? maybe it's to allow for faster rendering?
[02:30] <Luke> emma: just use oo.org from the ubuntu repo and it runs fine
[02:30] <setuid> How the Debian packagers managed to get it working, when a release for x86_64 doesn't even _exist_, is beyond me.
[02:30] <emma> I think the whole point of a repo is so that the Ubuntu developers can make an Ubuntu version.
[02:30] <Luke> yea
[02:30] <Luke> just use repo version
[02:30] <setuid> Repo version isn't current, last I checked.
[02:31] <setuid> Nope, it's rc2
[02:31] <setuid> 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3
[02:31] <hmuller> setuid:  You might want to try one of my favorite distributions for 6 months: Linux From Scratch
[02:31] <emma> Repo versions are rarely current, I thought that was by design as well. That makes them stable.
[02:31] <mneptok> current? or "works?" which is more important?
[02:31] <setuid> hmuller, I used to build Linux from scratch long before LFS was around. I've been doing this for ~14 years.
[02:31] <Luke> emma: exactly
[02:31] <hmuller> emma:  exactly, stable is what you want
[02:31] <Luke> setuid: why are you misleading users?
[02:31] <hmuller> setuid:  then why are you recommending bad things to new users?
[02:32] <mneptok> setuid: just please don't assume every other user has 14 years experience
[02:32] <setuid> mneptok, Both are important. "works" for function, "current" for demonstrating why migrating to Oo.org from Office (to management) is necessary.
[02:32] <mneptok> setuid: most end-users don;t have mangement presentation and advocacy needs
[02:32] <Luke> setuid: you are causing people to think oo.org doesnt work. the ubuntu release works fine
[02:32] <emma> I honestly thought that if OO.o could not work in Hardy 64 then there was no way I could get it, because OO.o is probably what I use more than any other app after xchat.
[02:33] <setuid> Sure, but is ubuntu+1 for "users"? It didn't used to be, it was usually reserved for alpha issues/development/future discussions, etc.
[02:33] <savvas> there are some apps though that should be favoured as a special update though, some bittorrent or wifi applications, or even graphics drivers that would fix a lot of proprietary bugs
[02:33] <hmuller> emma:  OpenOffice works in Ubuntu, give it a shot
[02:33] <mneptok> setuid: it's for anyone, of any skill level, who has an interest in Hardy
[02:33] <setuid> Ok, then the channel charter has changed in the last year
[02:33] <setuid> I'll change my statements accordingly
[02:33] <mneptok> smashing. thankee.
[02:34] <savvas> it's also for everyone that has wants their bugs tested personally and fixed for a better personal experience :)
[02:35] <setuid> hrm
[02:35] <setuid> Suggested packages:
[02:35] <setuid>   equivs sun-java6-plugin ia32-sun-java6-plugin libmyodbc odbc-postgresql libct1
[02:36] <setuid> E: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[02:36] <savvas> amd64?
[02:36] <setuid> I hope not ;) It's a Thinkpad running on an Intel C2D
[02:36] <setuid> But you might be right, as AMD64 is the only 64-bit Hardy out there
[02:36] <savvas> there are some alternatives, icedtea-java7-plugin icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:36] <emma> I'm going to get that 64 bit OS once Hardy is ready.
[02:37] <hmuller> setuid: amd64 works for core 2 duo, that's what I'm running on mine
[02:37] <hmuller> amd64 support lags i386, but what the hey
[02:37] <savvas> it's meant for x86_64, the name breaks everything actually :P
[02:37] <Luke> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> I installed sun-java6*, but java -version still says:
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b07)OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0-b07, mixed mode)
[02:38] <hmuller> intel just came late to the game
[02:38] <savvas> why is it named amd64 anyway? favouring historical first-64-bit maker?
[02:38] <hmuller> exactly
[02:38] <Kevin_b_er> amd64 was the name for it
[02:38] <savvas> interesting, didn't know that
[02:38] <hmuller> intel invented x86 hence i386
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> no, because IA64 is something else
[02:38] <setuid> Here's another interesting buglet... I pulled Linus' git source for the kernel (I need to test some of my code; pilot-link, against the new kernel usb interfaces), and when I use the /boot/config-`uname -r` from the stock Ubuntu kernel which _works_, the resulting kernel debs that make kpkg builds, do not, because it has no notion of luks and cryptsetup.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> well, the instruction set was made by AMD
[02:39] <setuid> Any idea what's going on? Some botched initrd?
[02:39] <hydrogen> intel came out with IA64 first
[02:39] <savvas> ia = itanium :)
[02:39] <hmuller> IA64 and x86_64 are two different beasts
[02:39] <hydrogen> but it was a bit too progressive
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> but it was crappy
[02:39] <hydrogen> and it didn't gain the support
[02:39] <hmuller> IA64 is true 64 bit
[02:39] <savvas> so hold a sec hold a seeec, you got my interest here
[02:39] <hydrogen> of course, in terms of the "first" 64 bit computing..
[02:39] <hmuller> x86_64 is 32 bit with 64bit memory extensions
[02:39] <hydrogen> it was either sparc or mips
[02:39] <savvas> itanium is better than amd64 ?
[02:39] <hydrogen> or maybe alpha
[02:39] <Kevin_b_er> not really
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> nah.. amd64 is better
[02:40] <hmuller> savvas:  problem is there isn't huge true 64bit software development yet
[02:40] <hmuller> gonna take awhile to migrate
[02:40] <robinson> in KDE4, is there a way to get an onscreen volume indicator when i press my volume keys on my laptop?
[02:40] <setuid> hmuller, ...in Debian
[02:41] <emma> What will be the advantages of using a 64bit processor? I have a PC that has an AMD Athlon 64 bit processor, so I just thought I should have an OS to work with it?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no
[02:41] <tgelter> robinson: compiz should provide one for you
[02:41] <setuid> hmuller, Because there's an enormous amount of FLOSS development/porting done already for 64-bit, and many distros are fully 64-bit (Gentoo, SuSE, and FreeBSD though the latter isn't Linux)
[02:41] <robinson> not bold enough to run compiz on my modest laptop
[02:41] <m11> emma , u wont lost much by installing 32bit, if u dont have 4gb of ram
[02:41] <setuid> robinson, Have you seen the youtube videos of compiz running on the Eee PC?
[02:42] <setuid> robinson, It _flies_
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> robinson: compiz can run on ANYTHING
[02:42] <hmuller> setuid: Really, where's my 64 bit grub?
[02:42] <savvas> hmuller: so all this 64-bit apps packages are actually "quick fixes" of i386 taking mere advantage of a second cpu?
[02:42] <setuid> hmuller, grub2
[02:42] <emma> I have only 1 GB of ram :(
[02:42] <chowmeined> whats going to happen with firefox 3?
[02:42] <robinson> oh. Perhaps i will try.
[02:42] <m11> emma, go for 32 bit , much less hasle imo
[02:42] <setuid> ff3 is a trainwreck. The whole UI is a mess.
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh hey, anybody know how to limit my wifi connection's bandwidth usage>
[02:42] <emma> m11 but what would be some advantages of 64 bit?
[02:42] <hmuller> setuid:  guess I better go get me an itanium system to test with then
[02:42] <setuid> DanaG, qos
[02:43] <m11> emma, nothing normal user can notice
[02:43] <emma> Eventually won't there be a tipping point and software will be written for 64 bits?
[02:43] <mneptok> emma: there none for average users with <4GB RAM
[02:43] <Dr_willis> 64bit is not needed to take advantage of the 2nd cpu.
[02:43] <tgelter> m11: maybe less of a hassle, but some of us choose to run amd64 in order to convince people to start making the transition =)
[02:43] <hmuller> savvas:  no, 64 bit is about memory addressing
[02:43] <emma> Could I probably install more RAM in my pc to get the benefit?
[02:43] <keith-> hey why after upgrading do i not have the human-murrine theme?
[02:43] <mneptok> tgelter: like Adobe? ;)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> for large # crunching things i hear ya gain some . but its mainly about the memory.
[02:43] <DanaG> A friend is fetching stuff from me over samba, over wifi, but it's causing lag for others in online games.
[02:43] <emma> Right now I have 1 GB of ram, could i put 5 more GB of ram in there?
[02:43] <Kevin_b_er> yeah number crunching
[02:43] <tgelter> mneptok: no, I'm no advocate of theirs
[02:43] <keith-> what package is the new theme in?
[02:43] <tomahasamoot> I've installed sun-java6-bin,fonts,jre but java -version still says OpenJDK, what gives?
[02:44] <m11> emma , 3.5gb with 32bit os, for more u need 64bit
[02:44] <DanaG> So, I want to limit my own connection speed.
[02:44] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: update-java-alternaives -l
[02:44] <jimiridge> ugh well evidently my bios doesnt support virtualization :P
[02:44] <jimiridge> that blows in a big way
[02:44] <emma> okay so the number of bits is like a cap on your maximum RAM?
[02:44] <chowmeined> no i mean, firefox 3 wont be released until june?
[02:44] <setuid> jimiridge, For Xen?
[02:44] <mneptok> gunh
[02:44] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: update-java-alternatives -l
[02:44] <chowmeined> is hardy going back to firefox 2?
[02:44] <m11> tgelter: yes, i supose time will come, but ...
[02:44] <m11> emma, no
[02:44] <jimiridge> i tried with KVM
[02:44] <emma> you said 3.5 gb with 32
[02:44] <hmuller> chowmeined: as far as I know, Hardy is using FF3
[02:44] <jimiridge> think xen would work?
[02:44] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <m11> _that is limit of 32bit OS
[02:45] <tgelter> jimiridge: there are other ways of virtualizing than kvm if your cpu doesn't provide the extention
[02:45] <chowmeined> hmuller, i know.. but ff3 wont be released until june
[02:45] <chowmeined> hmuller, so is hardy going to ship a beta release?
[02:45] <emma> Yeah so the bits cap your max RAM
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: use virtualbox.... you don't need virtualization instructions for that
[02:45] <emma> ?
[02:45] <jimiridge> what about xen?
[02:45] <emma> With 32 bits there's no way to use more than 3.5 GB of ram?
[02:45] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <hmuller> chowmeined: maybe, I like FF3 beta better than FF2 stable
[02:45] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <tgelter> jimiridge: virtualbox will certainly work for your desktop, but if you want to use your virtual machines for production, you'd want to look elsewhere
[02:46] <emma> How much ram can I use with 64 bits? 7 GB ?
[02:46] <m11> over 4gb
[02:46] <setuid> chowmeined, Here's ff3b4 (my own screenshot)
[02:46] <setuid> http://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_3.0b4_user-interface.jpg
[02:46] <mneptok> emma: 4GB
[02:46] <chowmeined> i like firefox 3
[02:46] <emma> Only 4 ?
[02:46] <hmuller> emma: whatever your system is designed for
[02:46] <mneptok> emma: with 64? way more than you can afford.
[02:46] <setuid> chowmeined, Here's 2.x: http://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_2.0.0.12_user-interface.jpg
[02:46] <m11> :)
[02:46] <chowmeined> better than firefox 2, but im just wondering about how they are going to handle that with hardy
[02:46] <setuid> ff3 is a *MESS* of an interface
[02:46] <keith-> anyone know how i can get the human-murrine theme?
[02:46] <emma> My system only came with 1 GB of ram. I always thought that was a lot.
[02:47] <setuid> it's sloppy, the fonts aren't aliased, the menus are all random-sized heights, etc.
[02:47] <emma> I wonder if there is room to put 5 GB more RAM in there
[02:47] <hmuller> emma: start virtualizing and you'll want more
[02:47] <m11> emma, if u dont plan on VM'ing or somthing spectacular video cluster editing, stay with 32
[02:47] <mneptok> emma: it is, for you. it's not for, say, the Near Earth Asteroid Project
[02:47] <setuid> You need to hack around in about:config to get it to play nice
[02:47] <robinson> setuid: it looks fine on my Gutsy machine, but grainy on my Hardy machine
[02:47] <setuid> emma, Depends on how much your mobo can support
[02:47] <tgelter> keith-: gnome-look.org
[02:47] <hmuller> setuid: yes, it needs work.  but I'm getting what I paid for and more
[02:47] <m11> emma, ussualy laptops have 2 slots on mobo
[02:47] <setuid> hmuller, Sure, that's one benefit
[02:47] <robinson> works for me, though
[02:47] <emma> Is there a way of finding out how much RAM I can add to my system from the command line?
[02:47] <emma> This is not a laptop this is a desktop
[02:48] <m11> ah
[02:48] <robinson> emma: visit crucial.com
[02:48] <chowmeined> emma, look up your motherboard
[02:48] <setuid> But I work in an environment where I need to justify my tools (with paperwork!), and showing someone that FF is better than MSIE, and showing them _that_, is a joke.
[02:48] <chowmeined> robinson, what, and use their activeX plugin?
[02:48] <robinson> you can put in your model number and it will tell you what type of ram and how much
[02:48] <robinson> no, just use the drop down menus
[02:48] <keith-> tgelter: but it is supposed to be included
[02:48] <chowmeined> setuid, show them the acid2 test
[02:49] <hmuller> setuid: what?  FF3 Beta beats MSIE anyday
[02:49] <emma> The Crucial System Scanner
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[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <emma> Please wait while the Crucial System Scanner loads.
[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <robinson> i missed part of the conversation, is this a built computer, and not a major manufacturer's?
[02:49] <emma> Initializing the Crucial System Scanner
[02:49] <chowmeined> and i dont know why your interfaces are messed up
[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <emma> Please wait while we scan your system.
[02:49] <hmuller> opera is kind of nice though ...
[02:49] <emma> Scanning your computer..
[02:49] <emma> Please allow at least 60 seconds for your results. If this process takes longer than this, it could indicate a conflict with an ad blocker or Internet security program. Please see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <chowmeined> but mine isnt, on gutsy or hardy
[02:49] <emma> Please click to accept the ActiveX plug-in
[02:49] <setuid> Here you go: Compiz on EeePC: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PiydlCQhHzE
[02:49] <m11> !paste > emma
[02:49] <emma> Or you can use the downloadable version of the System Scanner tool.
[02:49] <emma> Our downloadable System Scanner allows you to run the Crucial System Scanner locally — get upgrade results on Crucial.com in any browser without installing the ActiveX control required to run the scanner online.
[02:49] <emma> You have chosen not to accept our ActiveX plug-in.
[02:49] <emma> You can download the System Scanner tool, which does not require ActiveX.
[02:49] <emma> Important notice to Windows XP users: Have you installed Service Pack 2 for Windows XP? If so, you will need to take an additional step to run the System Scanner. At the top of this page, look for a yellow information bar showing a message about the Crucial System Scanner. You will need to click on that page and choose "Install ActiveX Control" to continue, or you may use our downloadable System Scanner.
[02:49] <m11> emma stop it lol
[02:49] <setuid> Look at how fast that damn thing is ;)
[02:49] <emma> If you continue to have problems, or if you are not running Windows XP with Service Pack 2, try these troubleshooting steps:
[02:49] <emma>     * Did you answer "no" to the System Scanner security certific
[02:49] <emma> What the hell
[02:49] <chowmeined> emma, wtf are you doing
[02:49] <emma> I don't know why that happened.
[02:49] <setuid> emma!!!
[02:49] <emma> I really don't know why that happened. I thought it was just one paragraph.
[02:49] <setuid> -m her please ;)
[02:49] <setuid> Ok, whew ;)
[02:49] <jimiridge> yeah i just missed the past 30 lines
[02:50] <robinson> emma: what is the brand and model of your computer?
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[02:50] <chowmeined> ok.. next question
[02:50] <emma> that was weird. I'm not a flooder.
[02:50] <setuid> I've never seen compiz run so fast
[02:50] <hmuller> sure, I'll be she says that to all the channel mates
[02:50] <m11> emma =bot ? :)
[02:50] <robinson> or, do you have the make and model of the motherboard?
[02:50] <chowmeined> is openjdk broken for other people on hardy?
[02:51] <chowmeined> applets dont load, and i cant run any java web start apps
[02:51] <emma> No certainly not.
[02:51] <tgelter> keith-: is it listed under "system-->preferences-->appearance-->theme?"
[02:51] <keith-> no
[02:51] <keith-> tgelter:
[02:52] <m11> emma , dl both 32bit and 64bit and check what works better for you if u want play around, if no, go for 32bit imo
[02:52] <robinson> chowmeined: works fine here. i just tapped into my untangle server, which requires javaws
[02:52] <keith-> i'm looking for this theme http://the-space-station.com/blog/?p=29
[02:52] <robinson> sure you got it installed?
[02:53] <lubosz> keith-: this is my college friends blog ^^
[02:53] <keith-> well ask him why i don't have that theme...
[02:53] <keith-> well i'm sure i have hardy installed
[02:53] <lubosz> hm
[02:53] <lubosz> maybe thats the alpha theme
[02:54] <emma> robinson, and others this is my system -- http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c00572530
[02:54] <keith-> so they removed it completely?
[02:54] <lubosz> keith-: did you do a clean install or upgrade?
[02:54] <setuid> top - 22:54:29 up  3:57,  6 users,  load average: 36.55, 20.06, 9.67
[02:54] <keith-> upgrade
[02:54] <setuid> I hate luks
[02:54] <keith-> lubosz: that's why i'm trying to find the package it's in
[02:54] <setuid> It eats so much processor to decrypt blocks
[02:54] <chowmeined> robinson, yea i installed icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:54] <robinson> i just used the ones from sun, they work for me
[02:55] <lubosz> keith-: Murrine is the name
[02:55] <chowmeined> robinson, i know the plugins are there because firefox doesnt popup the 'missing plugin' stuff, and down in the corner it says, 'applet failed to initialize'
[02:55] <chowmeined> its because all these apps throw exceptions
[02:55] <chowmeined> robinson, im talking about openjdk not sun-java6
[02:55] <keith-> lubosz: i don't see any package other than the engine named that...
[02:56] <setuid> I wonder if I can optimize kcryptd somehow
[02:56] <DistroJockey> keith-: human-theme  in Synaptic
[02:56] <emma> It looks like with this computer the maximum RAM I can get up to is 4 GB :(
[02:56] <robinson> emma: http://crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Presario%20SR1750NX
[02:56] <emma> Which means that 64 bit is pointless?
[02:57] <keith-> DistroJockey: says i have it
[02:57] <keith-> DistroJockey: but i promise it isn't listed
[02:57] <robinson> chowmeined: sorry
[02:57] <keith-> and i've even found the Human-murrine theme in /usr/share/themes and it doesn't have the stuff
[02:57] <hmuller> emma: 4GB is fine, that's what I am using on Hardy Desktop Amd64
[02:57] <m11> emma , u can always try
[02:58] <m11> but it is not that u will gain like 50% speed of 64bit system
[02:58] <DistroJockey> keith-: maybe try a remove and re-add
[02:58] <emma> do you have a smoother experience with your PC when you have 4 GB of RAM?
[02:58] <m11> of course :)
[02:59] <setuid> I had to use the 64-bit version of Hardy, because the 32-bit version doesn't see > 2GB ram on my 64-bit hardware.
[02:59] <hmuller> emma: It comes in handy when virtualizing for sure
[02:59] <setuid> Spent days debugging that one
[02:59] <emma> I might like to virtualize because Hardy is coming with a VM by default.
[02:59] <m11> OO.o with 1gb =5 sec , with OO.o with 4gb = 1sec
[02:59] <setuid> m11, after a cold boot?
[02:59] <DistroJockey> emma: if you have 4 RAM slots with 2x512MB at the moment, I would get 2x1GB and fill the other 2 slots (for a total of 3GB
[03:00] <hmuller> setuid: I understand, I'm becoming an nvidia 'engineer' trying to get suspend / hibernate working perfectly
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller !!!
[03:00] <m11> setuid , cold boot ?
[03:00] <keith-> i just tried to reinstall it and it is still not there or not different... perhaps they changed it to look very similar
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller, You'll save lots of our lives if you do
[03:00] <emma> DistroJockey, why not go for 4 and take advantage of 64 bits?
[03:00] <savvas> has anyone uploaded a bug lately?
[03:00] <hmuller> I'm just about there
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller, Thinkwiki is fully of thousands of us wanting that feature
[03:00] <savvas> a crash report, sorry
[03:01] <setuid> hmuller, I'm close myself. You don't work _for_ Nvidia though, do you?
[03:01] <savvas> i get a 502 bad gateway error
[03:01] <setuid> i.e. you're not writing the driver _code_, are you?
[03:01] <hmuller> setuid:  No, just an obsessive-compulsive learner
[03:01] <setuid> That's whyy I've been using Linux for the last 14 years ;)
[03:01] <setuid> I'm blockheaded and don't give up on problems
[03:01] <hmuller> setuid:  And still learning to write C, write some mean shell and awk script though!
[03:02] <emma> Some times I seem to become compulsive and do not give up on problems either. Some times I am very resolute.
[03:02] <MythbuntuGuest36> i recently upgraded a mythbuntu frontend to hardy and am having trouble with the sound, is there anyone that could get me started in the right direction figuring it out?
[03:02] <emma> If only I knew how to code I could help some how.
[03:02] <DistroJockey> emma: 64bit is not worth the hasle
[03:02] <setuid> Hrm, what the hell is Safari doing on this site? http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe
[03:02] <hmuller> emma:  all you need is your 'resoluteness'  =)
[03:03] <m11> emma , for your pc, 32bit will do just fine
[03:03] <savvas> emma: that's why bug trackers and emails are for: complaining to the source of the problem :)
[03:03] <m11> savvas: u mean the programers ?:)
[03:03] <emma> I'm sure the last thing that Ubuntu devs want is to hear from me :)
[03:03] <m11> emma , u wrong about that ;)
[03:03] <Dr_willis> !skype
[03:03] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[03:03] <savvas> m11: mainly, and the package maintainers :P
[03:03] <m11> ;)
[03:04] <emma> I don't understand though why you all make a 64 bit Ubuntu if you discourage everyone from using it.
[03:04] <setuid> DistroJockey, I think many of us would disagree
[03:04] <Dr_willis> emma,  its there to use if you want to.. go ahead.
[03:04] <Dr_willis> You wont gain much, and you may have issues.. is the bottom line.
[03:04] <setuid> DistroJockey, I personally would like to use all 4gb of my ram, not 1/2 of it. 64-bit Hardy lets me do that.
[03:04] <hmuller> emma:  don't be discouraged, there are just a 'few' more bugs
[03:04] <m11> emma, best thing as i told u b4, dl both 64 and 32 and test them to see
[03:05] <keith-> setuid: can't you use all 4 gigs with a different kernel than the default in 32bit?  although i prefer 64bit anyway
[03:05] <DistroJockey> setuid: I've had issues with 64bit that broke my system and I suggested getting 3GB so that none is wasted :)
[03:05] <setuid> keith-, Nope, -server didn't work, nor did bigiron
[03:05] <hmuller> Dr_willis:  Now that's not the tone of a died in the wool Debian From Scratch person!
[03:05] <emma> if I have a home partition but currently use 32 bits, could I do a fresh install of 64 bit but keep my home partition?
[03:06] <setuid> DistroJockey, I see all 4gb, and 64-bit works fine for me
[03:06] <m11> keith-: 32 bit is maximum 3 or 3,5 gb, it dont recognize more
[03:06] <DistroJockey> setuid: glad to hear :)
[03:06] <setuid> DistroJockey, Only issue was Skype, but I worked around that with linux32, and now Oo.org, but I'm working that out too
[03:07] <DistroJockey> setuid: It's been a while since I tried 64bit I must admit
[03:07] <emma> Did Ubuntu ever put Google Earth in it's repo?
[03:08] <m11> dont think so, but is 3 min install emma
[03:08] <DistroJockey> It's in Hardy beta (googleearth-package)
[03:08] <keith-> emma: i think you can get it with the add/remove software program it just enables a third party repo
[03:08] <tomahasamoot> emma: I got it from medibuntu
[03:08] <emma> The last time I used it, it crashed X.
[03:08] <emma> I would only use it again if it was from one of the Ubuntu repos.
[03:08] <m11> emma , u got onboard graphics ?
[03:09] <emma> I have a low end ATi
[03:09] <setuid> hmuller, Are you on a TP?
[03:09] <elbermungsterses> hi, i have an error upgrading from gusty to hardy beta. it says "could not calculate the upgrade: A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  This can be caused by:
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses> If none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport"
[03:09] <setuid> hmuller, I've got a T61p, T42p and X61s here
[03:09] <m11> emma , i would recomend switch to nvidia;)
[03:09] <setuid> m11, I wouldn't... ATI works better (3d, cooler, suspend/hibernate)
[03:10] <hmuller> setuid: No, Inspiron 1420, last one was a 600m.  I was going to go with a  Thinkpad but I heard the quality has declined, true or not?
[03:10] <emma> With my ATi i have never been able to see what Compiz is all about.
[03:10] <NukeSkyjumper> seems like pulseaudio is adding a 0.1sec delay in the audio... anyone heard of a workaround?
[03:10] <setuid> hmuller, I'd have to agree. My 3-year old T42p is a tank, these two new laptops are not so good... and I may return one and send in the other for repair. They're 3 weeks old.
[03:10] <emma> Is there reason to think that I could put an nvidia into my computer?
[03:10] <elbermungsterses> can anyone help me/
[03:10] <elbermungsterses> ?
[03:10] <m11> setuid , did u try never ati's ?
[03:10] <hmuller> setuid:  That's what I've heard since the Lenovo acquisition
[03:11] <setuid> emma, My T42p Thinkpad (3 year old TP), has an ATI adapter, and compiz works great on it
[03:11] <tgelter> so whenever I play a video encoded in xvid, the colors are all inverted (negative)...anyone seen that or know how to fix?
[03:11] <Flannel> hmuller, setuid: No decline of quality, no.
[03:11] <hmuller> setuid:  Dell's quality has increased exponentially in my anecdotal opinion
[03:11] <setuid> hmuller, Well, Lenovo has been making the Thinkpads for the last 5 years, so my T42p was Lenovo-made, but IBM Q&A'd...
[03:11] <m11> setuid , on 9xxx series works, but try x1xxx series, u cant do nothing there
[03:11] <hmuller> Flannel:  thanks for chiming in
[03:12] <Flannel> hmuller: Im typing on one now
 oh yeah? well I'm typing AND reading on my Inspiron!
[03:13] <hmuller> I'm not sure what to think of these nvidia integrated graphics though ...
[03:13] <setuid> My Thinkpad has an external Nvidia adapter
[03:13] <setuid> I lose 2 hours of battery life, but the video is sweet
[03:13] <setuid> That is... there's a 2-hour battery life difference between nvidia discrete vs. integrated adapters on Thinkpads
[03:14] <hmuller> I thought my graphics were good, until I ran blob sallad
[03:14] <setuid> What's that?
[03:14] <setuid> Oh, it's a remake of Loco Roco
[03:15] <emma> I would like to find and buy a used ThinkPad from someone
[03:15] <setuid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKpyScxv0k
[03:15] <hmuller> I'm still trying to figure out why it eats 90+ of one of my processors
[03:16] <tgelter> emma: I've got a t61 I might sell if the price is right =)
[03:16] <setuid> tgelter, what size screen/resolution?
[03:16] <emma> tgelter, okay how about 450 USD ?
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> can anyone help me? i keep on getting this error when i upgrade to hardy. "
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  This can be caused by:
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[03:16] <setuid> $ xrandr -q | head -1
[03:16] <setuid> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 512, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 1920 x 1200
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> If none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport
[03:16] <tgelter> setuid: 15.4 inch 1680x1050
[03:16] <setuid> elbermungsterses, Don't do that
[03:17] <setuid> elbermungsterses, use rafb.net/paste
[03:17] <elbermungsterses> can i use ubuntu pastebin?
[03:17] <setuid> tgelter, ah, I have the 15.4" 1920x1200 T61p
[03:17] <hmuller> setuid:  with the biometrics?
[03:17] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: there isn't any information there that tells us what is wrong exactly (and you can use any pastebin, yes :D)
[03:17] <setuid> hmuller, Yes, and thinkfinger works great
[03:18] <hmuller> sweet
[03:18] <tgelter> setuid: yeah, I wanted the p, but they didn't have it listed online when I went to purchase
[03:18] <setuid> hmuller, for sudo, su, screensaver, logins, etc.
[03:18] <hmuller> setuid:  I'm jealous
[03:18] <setuid> I wish I could get it working for luks and grub password, but not yet
[03:18] <setuid> I think I have to package it outside of initrd to get that working
[03:19] <setuid> Or link it statically to grub
[03:19] <hmuller> setuid: grub is pre kernel
[03:19] <setuid> hmuller, Right
[03:19] <setuid> That's the catch-22
[03:19] <setuid> Unless the BIOS can handle it
[03:19] <setuid> Maybe I can replace the bios with LinuxBios and stick it in there
[03:19] <tgelter> what packages would I look to reinstall/remove in order to get video to *not* be negative'd (all colors opposite what they should be) for movies of any kind?
[03:20] <hmuller> setuid:  Well you know, it might be easier to roll your own linux bios, and include the driver!
[03:20] <setuid> hmuller, That's what I said above ;)
[03:20] <hmuller> ah yes, missed that
[03:20] <elbermungsterses> kalatian, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61439/
[03:21] <hmuller> that's one of my fantasies, to roll my own bios
[03:21] <setuid> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2008/03/arduino_etchascetch_clock.html
[03:21] <Prefix> just installed Hardy and emerald wont strat on startup, i have to type emerald --replace, and keep the terminal open. Any suggestions?
[03:22] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: I take it you are upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy?
[03:22] <m11> setuid , hmuller :  http://coreboot.org
[03:22] <elbermungsterses> yes kalatian
[03:22] <kalatian> ok
[03:22] <setuid> m11, Right, but it's not validated on our platforms
[03:22] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: can you run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal?
[03:22] <elbermungsterses> i'll try
[03:23] <tgelter> prefix: this isn't the fix, but instead of leaving a terminal open, you could just use alt-f2
[03:23] <tomahasamoot> I installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working... x is using some other driver
[03:23] <setuid> pidgin gets worse with every release. Now I can't resize the edit box
[03:23] <m11> hmm, seems my mobo is suported for coreboot :)
[03:23] <elbermungsterses> it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[03:24] <irelinquish> there's an alternative pidgin that fixes that, i just for got the name, googlei it setuid
[03:24] <Prefix> ty tgelter, anyway i can make that run on startup?
[03:24] <hmuller> setuid:  my last hardware 'hack' - http://www.mullerlab.com/cosmacelfpic.html
[03:24] <tgelter> prefix: sure, "system--> preferences --> sessions"
[03:24] <hmuller> ignore the site, way out dated, the pic is good though
[03:25] <setuid> hmuller, What is it?
[03:25] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: ok... the problem is, the error you posted doesn't give enough information to determine the problem... I suspect that is update-manager's fault and not your own, however.
[03:25] <setuid> DAC?
[03:25] <hmuller> remember the old kit computers?
[03:25] <tgelter> prefix: though there is likely a more elegant solution to your problem
[03:25] <setuid> hmuller, sure, I used to have a Tandy one with a potentiometer that worked over AM freq to a television set, wireless... ran with a casette drive.
[03:25] <hmuller> it was a build it yourself project in Popular Electronics back in 76
[03:25] <sarixe> hi, how do i set gtkpod as the default program for ipods?
[03:25] <hmuller> finally got around to building it in 2006
[03:25] <setuid> Maybe it was HeathKit, I forget now
[03:26] <irelinquish> setuid, lookup funpidgin
[03:26] <setuid> hmuller, Do you subscribe to Nuts and Volts?
[03:26] <irelinquish> it has resizleable box's
[03:26] <sarixe> rhythmbox comes up by default, and it's crap compared to gtkpod.  is there a different place that i can set this option?
[03:26] <hmuller> setuid:  No, I just read it every time I'm at the magazine rack
[03:26] <tomahasamoot> how can I fix X?  It's not using the nvidia driver
[03:26] <setuid> hmuller, I've been getting it for free for ~15 years or something.
[03:26] <irelinquish> prefered applications, hmuller
[03:26] <Prefix> ok ty, now the next thing.. is there anyway i can hide the screenlet icon from my notication area, i really hate it?
[03:26] <setuid> Somehow I got on their list years ago, and never had to pay for it
[03:27] <hmuller> irelinquish: I feel like you are trying to say something ;)
[03:28] <elbermungsterses> kalatian, i'm running it from terminal now, so i may be able to get the complete error message.
[03:29] <elbermungsterses> oh well, i'll do it the CD way
[03:29] <kalatian> ...ok. I guess he didn't want to hear the next suggestion.
[03:31] <hmuller> to all a good nite
[03:32] <emma> tgelter, okay how about 450 USD ?
[03:32] <m11> emma, for that price u should get asus eee ;)
[03:33] <emma> asus eee is no good for real use.
[03:33] <m11> why no ?
[03:33] <m11> 1gb ram , 8gb hdd
[03:33] <sarixe> anyone know how to set the default multimedia application for ipods or other media devices?
[03:33] <emma> because every thing I do is very writing intensive and I think the small keyboard and small screen would become overwhelming.
[03:33] <irelinquish> sarixe, prefered applications
[03:34] <irelinquish> its under system > preferences
[03:34] <m11> i c
[03:34] <sarixe> irelinquish : yes, that would be the obvious course, but that option seems to have been wiped from that dialogue
[03:34] <sarixe> -ue, even
[03:34] <irelinquish> really?
[03:34] <sarixe> yep
[03:34] <irelinquish> umm, your using gnome right?
[03:34] <sarixe> yep
[03:35] <irelinquish> in kde you can use konqueror and set it up pretty easily
[03:35] <emma> Is there any possibility that there will eventually be a release of Ubuntu that does not use Gnome as the default DE ?
[03:35] <sarixe> emma: xubuntu, kubuntu
[03:35] <emma> That's not what I mean.
[03:35] <irelinquish> emma, Lmao
[03:35] <irelinquish> ohh jk then
[03:35] <sarixe> o
[03:36] <emma> I mean a release of Ubuntu
[03:36] <irelinquish> then, they dont have it planned
[03:36] <m11> yes u got answer above emma
[03:36] <emma> You don't understand what Im trying to say
[03:37] <m11> emma , ubuntu =gnome
[03:37] <emma> imagine a future where Gnome has become defunct or KDE or something else has become extremely and obviously better
[03:37] <emma> is it possible that KDE or something else would be made the default DE for flagship Ubuntu
[03:37] <m11> then u will have "xyz"buntu probably
[03:37] <Dr_willis> XXXbuntu
[03:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:37] <sarixe> lol
[03:38] <Dr_willis> gnome works good enough for most peoples needs.
[03:38] <setuid> Dr_willis, You know the history of the Ubuntu artwork, right?
[03:38] <setuid> Mark wanted to make it nudes and sexy
[03:38] <Dr_willis> and from a 'business' point of view - it does work well enough to get the work done.
[03:38] <setuid> There's a podcast out there with this described in it
[03:38] <sarixe> http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu
[03:38] <Dr_willis> setuid,  :) I think we need to use 'animal backsides' as the default wallpaper.
[03:39] <setuid> http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18174629.jpg?size=572&uid=%7BFA412DC4-0450-4D9F-AED2-3DBBDAC3A553%7D
[03:39] <setuid> http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18175407.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B394BAAD3-F6CB-4170-8F26-9AE5E6A503D5%7D
[03:39] <setuid> ;)
[03:39] <setuid> there's two
[03:40] <sarixe> lulz
[03:40] <sarixe> O.o
[03:40] <Dr_willis> I have a collection of 'backside' icons. :)
[03:40] <emma> I personally think it was a mistake to paint themselves into a corner with the Ubuntu naming scheme.
[03:41] <emma> Having Kubuntu and Ubuntu is just confusing and limiting. It should just be Ubuntu with different editions.
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Yep. They could just use UbuntuKDE
[03:41] <emma> That would be better.
[03:41] <sarixe> irelinquish : the only option under Multimedia was Multimedia Player, and that didn't solve the problem
[03:41] <emma> Ubuntu KDE edition. Etc.
[03:41] <DistroJockey> emma: As it's not Gubuntu, they could easily switch if needed :)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> i know lets use a really good naming schame like openoffice.org does! and make the web url also the name!
[03:42] <Dr_willis> we need to focus more on the cute animal names! those really cut down on the confuseion of all these new linux users i see at work. :)
[03:43] <emma> DistroJockey,  it will be odd though, supposing KDE did have some innovation that made it so much better than Gnome... So that a future release of Ubuntu goes to KDE... Now all of a sudden all of us are using Kubuntu ?
[03:43]  * Dr_willis waits for a "hello kitty ubuntu' edition.
[03:43] <sarixe> ibex != cute; ibex = badass
[03:43] <irelinquish> sarixe, reconnect your divice isn't there a way to set up amarok, or gtkpod
[03:43] <emet> feisty fawn = cute
[03:43] <DistroJockey> emma: yeah, I see your point
[03:43] <emet> gutsy gibbon = cute
[03:43] <Dr_willis> warty warthog :)
[03:43] <DistroJockey> hehe
[03:44] <Dr_willis> I rember ages ago kids when i was using 'anorexic amoeba'
[03:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:44] <sarixe> lol
[03:44] <emet> gibbons are so cute
[03:44] <DistroJockey> I vote for Joking Jackal for after Ibex :)
[03:45] <sarixe> irelinquish : still nothing
[03:45] <emet> the adj is suppose to focus on the release qualities
[03:45] <sarixe> irelinquish : i'll even try Removable Drives and Media
[03:45] <emet> like gutsy gibbon was gutsy cause they use an alpha-quality window manager
[03:46] <SilverDawn> .flash
[03:46] <SilverDawn> !flash
[03:46] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:46] <SilverDawn> Okay whats up with flash in hardy
[03:47] <sarixe> irelinquish : still nothing, even.  it was actually there, last time i saw it, which was on gutsy
[03:47] <irelinquish> i wish i had an ipod to check
[03:47]  * SilverDawn ->God Module - Lost time<- ->Viscera<- ->Electronic<- ->2005<- ->1:08/4:28<- ->music player daemon 0.13.0<-
[03:47] <irelinquish> i'm sorry
[03:47] <SilverDawn> crap...
[03:47] <SilverDawn> Sorry all i was testing a script, Didnt know the auther had put color and spam in it
[03:48] <SilverDawn> Didnt even expect it to work
[03:48] <SilverDawn> Once again, Sorry
[03:48] <sarixe> irelinquish : meh, it'll resolve eventually
[03:48] <irelinquish> sarixe, it used to be in removeable drives and media. Its not anymore?
[03:49] <sarixe> right
[03:49] <irelinquish> sucks
[03:49] <irelinquish> make a forum post abouit it
[03:49] <sarixe> yup
[03:49] <sarixe> ok
[03:49] <irelinquish> that will get great responses : )
[03:49] <sarixe> hope so
[03:50] <sarixe> where do i post about hardy, anyway?
[03:51] <SilverDawn> can anyone tell me whats up with flash in hardy?
[03:51] <SilverDawn> Is there a package? or .... what
[03:52] <setuid> Flash worked for me out of the box
[03:52] <DistroJockey> sarixe: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305
[03:53] <sarixe> thanks
[03:53] <DistroJockey> np
[03:55] <Dr_willis> flash seems to work here.. at least the banner ads are.. :)
[03:55] <sarixe> seems like two people beat me there
[03:56] <Dr_willis> i did imnstall the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[03:56] <sarixe> aha! got it
[03:56] <sarixe> Nautilus: Edit > Preferences > Media
[03:57] <sarixe> but i can't specify a custom program...
[03:58] <DistroJockey> sarixe: What was it you are trying to do?
[03:58] <mohamed_> hi, i have onboard vga ATI x1200, is there drivers that can make it work well under ubuntu hardy ?
[03:58] <sarixe> make the default app for ipods, gtkpod
[03:58] <sarixe> instead of rhythmbox
[03:58] <setuid> amarok blows away gtkpod
[03:58] <sarixe> no no, there are some things that are much easier in gtkpod
[03:58] <setuid> mohamed_, use radeon
[03:59] <setuid> Like?
[03:59] <sarixe> like setting album art from custom files
[03:59] <mohamed_> setuid, from amd website ?
[03:59] <DistroJockey> sarixe: It's not in System - Preferences - Preferred Applications ?
[03:59] <sarixe> specifying the file type of audiobooks
[03:59] <sarixe> er, no
[03:59] <setuid> sarixe, 2 clicks in amarok
[04:00] <Smegzor> I have lost all menu entries for folder sharing in gnome.  How do I get them back?
[04:00] <sarixe> setuid : you can transfer an audiobook, and make the ipod recognize it as an audiobook?
[04:00] <keithclark>  I am having a problem sharing files between two computers via ssh, one is running 7.10 and the other 8.04.  I can view the directories and even play media files on the remote computer, but when I try to save files to it, a dialog window comes up and shows the progress, which never seems to move.  I also lose access to that remote computer until I cancel the process and logout and back in again.  Any ideas wha
[04:00] <keithclark> t is going wrong here?
[04:00] <setuid> sarixe, yep
[04:00] <setuid> sarixe, You could try songbird also
[04:00] <sarixe> hm... you have to teach me your ways
[04:00] <setuid> Songbird is like iTunes, using Mozilla components
[04:00] <sarixe> nah, songbird is too early for me
[04:00] <setuid> It already surpasses iTus
[04:00] <setuid> er, iTunes
[04:00] <sarixe> though i _am_ using hardy...
[04:01] <Dr_willis> keithclark,  you using sshfs? or what exactgly to transfer the files?   the filemanagers ssh:// type address?
[04:01] <sarixe> is there any repo for it?
[04:01] <setuid> sarixe, I use the one from upstream
[04:01] <sarixe> ah
[04:01] <keithclark> Dr_willis, yes, Nautilis and the sftp://192.168.x.x
[04:01] <sarixe> well i'd probably be better off using amarok... i use that to transcode flac -> mp3 already
[04:01] <sarixe> better have it all in one
[04:01] <IanLiu> My sound is too low, I have to raise too much my volume to hear something. Is there a solution to this?
[04:02] <setuid> IanLiu, alsamixer?
[04:03] <sarixe> setuid : at any rate, i'd need to specify a custom default app for ipods... but there's no way.  it's either rhythmbox, or ask, open folder, or do nothing
[04:04] <setuid> sarixe, change it in preferred applications
[04:04] <sarixe> can't, that's the thing
[04:04] <IanLiu> setuid: Thanks ;)
[04:04] <setuid> Custom -> /usr/bin/amarok
[04:05] <setuid> Mine lets me use Rhythmbox, Totem or Custom
[04:05] <sarixe> yeah, but the only option there is Multimedia Player, and that doesn't affect ipods
[04:05] <sarixe> but i'll try again
[04:05] <jimiridge> ugh virtualbox and kernel probs
[04:05] <setuid> gconf-editor
[04:06] <jimiridge> Error: /usr/src/linux (version 2.6.24-12-generic) does not match the current kernel (version 2.6.24-12-386)
[04:06] <jimiridge> i dont see the kernel source package in the repo's
[04:06] <sarixe> setuid : fail
[04:06] <DanaG> Heh, meant to restart samba, but restarted gdm instead.  Hah.
[04:06] <sarixe> setuid : i'll try gconf-editor next
[04:07] <sarixe> what key is it?
[04:07] <jimiridge> aptit
[04:09] <jimiridge> nevermind fixed it :P
[04:12] <jimiridge> so i used the linux-i386 virtualbox install... in installed the kernel driver but i dont see the userspace program anywhere
[04:12] <jimiridge> virtualbo.run
[04:13] <m11> programs>system tools ?
[04:13] <jimiridge> not the ose version
[04:13] <jimiridge> sun's direct download one
[04:13] <sarixe> setuid : what key would it be? i think i found where it's supposed to be... but it's missing
[04:14] <sarixe> desktop > gnome > volume_manager, key would be autoplay_something, i believe
[04:14] <sarixe> oh wait, it is here
[04:14] <sarixe> autoipod, autoipod_command
[04:15] <sarixe> but it's already set to gtkpod
[04:15] <sarixe> are gconf keys per user? because if so, it'd be already set from my gutsy install.  i kept the home folder from that install on a separate partition
[04:18] <crdlb> sarixe: yes, gconf setting values are stored in ~/.gconf
[04:18] <sarixe> yep, that explains it
[04:19] <IanLiu> Tab autocompletion in Terminal doesnt work?
[04:19] <sarixe> same here, but only partially
[04:19] <IanLiu> hmm
[04:19] <sarixe> it doesn't work with sudo, apt-get for me
[04:20] <IanLiu> yeah
[04:21] <sarixe> anyway guys, i'll just leave it set to "do nothing" for now, it's just the same to me.  just that it was annoying to have rhythmbox come up
[04:27] <sarixe> setuid : so how do i set the file type, then?
[04:32] <doofy> im trying to install hardy and im just getting exception emask 0x0 any ideas?
[04:33] <gluer> is there a way to back up my hardy installation? backup to iso or something?
[04:35] <m11> !backup
[04:35] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[04:38] <sarixe> oo, there be updates :D
[04:41] <setuid> I just found something nasty
[04:41] <setuid> it reproducably crashes X
[04:41] <sarixe> eek
[04:41] <setuid> Load Safari in wine, run Safari, then go to Edit -> Preferences... bam, X will crash and recycle gdm.
[04:42]  * sarixe tries it...
[04:42] <sarixe> gotta get safari first...
[04:42] <setuid> Yep, easy
[04:42] <m11> anyone uses prism54usb driver ?
[04:42] <setuid> wget http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe
[04:42] <sarixe> why not just download it from apple.com?
[04:43] <setuid> That owrks too
[04:43] <sarixe> coolio
[04:43] <setuid> But it'll crash X
[04:43] <setuid> So beware ;)
[04:43] <sarixe> okidokes, i'll make sure everything is closed but this
[04:44] <sarixe> man, firefox 3 rules though
[04:44] <sarixe> it's not close to ready yet, but it still rules
[04:45] <m11> ye , i especialy loves they removed home button :)
[04:45] <sarixe> eh? it's there for me
[04:45] <m11> from navigation panel
[04:45] <hackeron> hey, could someone please tell me how to forward port80 on ppp0 to port80 on 192.168.1.51 on eth0? -- currently, I'm doing this: http://rafb.net/p/dqCf6z26.html - but it's not working :( - What am I doing wrong?
[04:45] <sarixe> yeah, it's there for me
[04:45] <m11> left/right
[04:45] <sarixe> hm?
[04:45] <m11> i mean: back/fwd/stop/home ?
[04:46] <sarixe> yeah, it's there
[04:46] <m11> i have home on bottom bar , not in navigation menu
[04:46] <sarixe> back for refresh stop home
[04:46] <m11> hmm
[04:46] <m11> what version u have ?
[04:46] <sarixe> well then you can edit the menus
[04:46] <sarixe> 3.0b4
[04:46] <m11> same here
[04:46] <sarixe> you can move that home button around
[04:47] <m11> ah
[04:47] <m11> tnx :)
[04:47] <sarixe> :D
[04:48] <setuid> sarixe, any luck?
[04:48] <sarixe> erm, just finished, hold on
[04:48] <m11> no, cant move it
[04:48] <m11> it is only in bookmarks toolbar
[04:48] <sarixe> this is only dsl
[04:48] <sarixe> hm... weird
[04:49] <sarixe> right click a toolbar > customize?
[04:49] <m11> let me recheck
[04:49] <m11> nope
[04:49] <m11> nothing
[04:50] <m11> only in bookmarks toolbar
[04:50] <sarixe> weird
[04:50] <sarixe> setuid : installing
[04:50] <m11> with two gnome panels , it taking like 20% of my preciuos 15" desktop
[04:52] <sarixe> setuid : here goes
[04:52] <setuid> ;)
[04:52] <setuid> Edit -> Preferences
[04:53] <setuid> I crashed out 7 times in a row, testing it
[04:53] <sarixe> eh
[04:53] <m11> sarixe left the room
[04:53] <m11> :)
[04:53] <sarixe> it froze by itself before i could do anything
[04:53] <sarixe> compiz greyed it out
[04:53] <sarixe> force quit
[04:53] <sarixe> trying again
[04:53] <m11> setuid , could be ati drivers :)
[04:53] <setuid> m11, I don't use ATI
[04:54] <m11> ah , srys :)
[04:54] <setuid> And I tried vesa and nv, as well as the binary nvidia driver
[04:54] <setuid> All 3 crash out
[04:54] <m11> ouch :/
[04:54] <setuid> I'm thorough ;)
[04:54] <sarixe> yeah, got as far as Edit >
[04:54] <sarixe> then it greyed again
[04:54] <setuid> Oh weird
[04:55] <sarixe> and strangely, the Edit menu is on top of xchat now... :P
[04:55] <Dimitree> :) someone told me that 8.04 will work with intel GMA 3100 is there a way to check if that's true ?
[04:55] <m11> Dimitree: get live cd and test i think
[04:55] <Dimitree> for now i get wierd behavior like if a multy click on apply resolution settings the resolution doesn't change but the screen moves to the left a bit and when pressed apply again it returns to normal ..
[04:56] <Dimitree> ou i updated it over 7.10 :)
[04:56] <setuid> Ok, this is wildly OT, but it's hilarious: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cas/622507528.html
[04:56] <Black_Magic> Erm?
[04:56] <Black_Magic> Is there a driveintopython Package for Hardy
[04:58] <Dimitree> also if i try to reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesnt listen to any commands :) meaning that if i chose to setup xorg it skips if i chose to autodetect keyboard or not it always choses to not autodetect keyboard
[04:58] <sarixe> setuid : genius on that craigslist
[04:59] <Dimitree> are these known issues ?
[05:00] <sarixe> well i ran that, and i noticed that it was rather skimpy compared to gutsy's
[05:00] <sarixe> doesn't even let me select the video driver
[05:00] <Dimitree> yep
[05:00] <sarixe> is that supposed to happen?
[05:00] <Dimitree> i guess not ... on 7.10 i was able to select Intel as GPU and then the amount of RAm it's suposed to use and then the Monitor type
[05:01] <sarixe> yeah
[05:01] <sarixe> none of that is in this one
[05:01] <m11> lol setuid , nice pic on the end ;)
[05:01] <sarixe> lulz
[05:03] <Dimitree> is this know issue sarixe  ? any idea :)
[05:03] <sarixe> i haven't a clue... just experienced it once
[05:04] <sarixe> the driver mananger thing took care of all the issue
[05:04] <sarixe> and nvidia settings took care of the finer details
[05:04] <Dimitree> what driver manager ?
[05:04] <Black_Magic> hmm How do i use the Drive Into Python Package?
[05:04] <sarixe> the restricted driver manager
[05:04] <m11> why does some packages being kept back with terminal apt-get upgrade command ?
[05:04] <sarixe> try using jockey-gtk in a terminal
[05:04] <sarixe> it should detect whether you have a gpu that can use a propietary driver
[05:04] <Dimitree> nothing in there :)
[05:05] <sarixe> hm
[05:05] <sarixe> what gpu?
[05:05] <Dimitree> Intel integrated Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
[05:05] <sarixe> oooooh
[05:05] <sarixe> man, i was expecting ati or nvidia
[05:05] <Dimitree> = )
[05:05] <sarixe> i don't even know how to do intels
[05:05] <Dimitree> i can't find any drivers for them :/
[05:08] <sarixe> hm, well do you have any intel drivers installed?
[05:09] <Dimitree> nope this was a fresh 7.10 install which got updated to 8.04 :)
[05:09] <sarixe> hm
[05:09] <Dimitree> i guess i found something http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html lol
[05:10] <sarixe> well that's for xfree86, it looks like
[05:11] <sarixe> you want something that works with x.org, or xorg
[05:11] <sarixe> however.
[05:11] <sarixe> it says: "3, Xorg 2D driver: xf86-video-intel;"
[05:12] <Dimitree> hmm what does 2D mean ? i want to tbe able to use Blender :)
[05:12] <sarixe> blender is 3d
[05:12] <sarixe> 3 dimensions: height, width, length
[05:13] <sarixe> 2d = 2 dimensions: height, length
[05:13] <setuid> 2D is like a drawing of a can of soda on paper. 3D is the can of soda.
[05:13] <sarixe> bah
[05:13] <Dimitree> yep i know that o-o
[05:13] <Dimitree> whats the meaning of a 2D driver ?
[05:13] <sarixe> right
[05:13] <m11> to play commodore games :)
[05:13] <Dimitree> hahahah
[05:13] <Dr_willis> that wouldbe the C64 Driver
[05:13] <sarixe> 2d includes window managers (besides compositing ones like compiz)
[05:13] <setuid> Dimitree, 3D drivers eat a lot more power
[05:14] <m11> 2D =c64 driver :D
[05:14] <sarixe> and use the graphics card instead of 100% processor
[05:14] <Dimitree> i need the drivers :/
[05:14] <sarixe> you said it's intel graphics media accelerator 3100?
[05:14] <Dimitree> yep motherboard DG31PR
[05:16] <Dimitree> btw do you get error 500 on http://www.blender.org/  ot it's just me ?
[05:17] <sarixe> try installing xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:17] <Dimitree> okeiz
[05:18] <sarixe> oh hell, how is this possible?
[05:18] <sarixe> that package conflicts and replaces xserver-xorg-video-i810
[05:18] <sarixe> however, i810 is installed
[05:18] <sarixe> and so is intel
[05:19] <Dimitree> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version
[05:19] <sarixe> hm
[05:19] <sarixe> well i'm thinking it's a simple change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but i'm not sure what the driver module would be called...
[05:21] <Dimitree> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207794
[05:21] <Dimitree> o-o reading lol
[05:23] <Dimitree> huh my xorg is nothing like that guys xorg :) it doesn't say intel anywhere neather monitor type and modes like it did on 7.10
[05:23] <Dimitree> it says simply "Configured Video Device"
[05:23] <sarixe> mm
[05:23] <sarixe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943
[05:24] <sarixe> try that... it's a bit old, but it should work, according to that poll up top
[05:24] <m11> wow :  Restarting network events dispatcher NetworkManagerDispatcher         [ OK ]
[05:24] <m11> i didnt know i have dispatcher in my system :)
[05:24] <sarixe> oh waaaaait
[05:24] <sarixe> wait wait
[05:24] <sarixe> don't do it
[05:25] <sarixe> i found the crucial part, i think
[05:25] <sarixe> ok
[05:25] <sarixe> go to a terminal
[05:25] <sarixe> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <Dimitree> :)
[05:25] <Dimitree> ok
[05:25] <Dimitree> my xorg.conf is totally mixed up :/
[05:25] <sarixe> lol
[05:26] <sarixe> i'm looking for where it would be...
[05:26] <sarixe> ok
[05:26] <sarixe> where it says Section "Device"
[05:26] <Dimitree> yep ?
[05:26] <sarixe> in there, should be a line that begins with Driver
[05:26] <sarixe> change what's in the quotes, to "intel"
[05:27] <sarixe> then save, close, restart x
[05:27] <Dimitree> one sec i will paste it
[05:27] <Dimitree> Driver		"kbd" ?
[05:27] <sarixe> i'm not even sure if that's the 3d driver though... but it'll at least have you using a proper driver
[05:27] <sarixe> yeah that's the one
[05:28] <Dimitree> Section "Device"	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[05:28] <sarixe> right
[05:28] <Dimitree> Section "InputDevice"  	Driver		"kbd"
[05:28] <sarixe> oh no
[05:28] <Dimitree> ^^
[05:28] <sarixe> Section "Device", is there anything in there?
[05:29] <Dimitree> only what i pasted :)
[05:29] <Dimitree> told you its totaly screwed :/
[05:29] <Dimitree> and i'm unable to fix it with reconfigure xorg :)
[05:29] <sarixe> mm
[05:30] <sarixe> well then... under Section "Device", add a new line before EndSection:
[05:30] <sarixe> Driver "intel"
[05:30] <Dimitree> ok wish me luck rebooting :)
[05:30] <sarixe> that's the block of text that also has Identifier     "Configured Video Device"
[05:31] <sarixe> good luck
[05:31] <jester7> anyone here use amd64?
[05:31] <sarixe> nah, it's not worth it
[05:32] <sarixe> for me, anyway
[05:32] <mesilliac> I'm using amd64
[05:34] <Dimitree> no change :)
[05:34] <Dimitree> o well i guess ill just reinstall the thing from scrach after i get some sleep
[05:34] <sarixe> then why do you smile? :P
[05:34] <sarixe> alrighty
[05:35] <Dimitree> thanks for the help sarixe  :)
[05:35] <sarixe> no prob
[05:35] <sarixe> :D
[05:45] <jester7> mesilliac: do you ever have problems with webpages in firefox not drawing until you scroll the page?
[05:45] <sarixe> setuid : how were you able to denote an audiobook in amarok?
[05:45] <sarixe> ack
[05:46] <Lynoure> sarixe: denote?
[05:46] <mesilliac> jester7: no, I haven't seen that happen before
[05:46] <sarixe> Lynoure : well, in gtkpod's tag editor, you can tell it that a certain file is an audiobook
[05:47] <sarixe> and setuid claimed he could do that in amarok
[05:47] <Lynoure> sarixe: you can at least tag the genre to be Spoken, maybe there is ever Audiobook
[05:48] <Lynoure> I mostly listen to podcasts and not audiobooks now, haven't found a steady source for the latter. Or is there some Linux way to get e.g. Audible books and play them in Amarok?
[05:48] <sarixe> well the thing is that the ipod pays attention to that File Type tag, and when it's audiobook, it separates it from the rest of the music
[05:48] <sarixe> well i got it off an mp3 cd at the library
[05:48] <sarixe> it's really just a normal mp3 file
[05:48] <sarixe> but gtkpod can differentiate between regular Music, and Audiobooks
[05:49] <gluer> i cant even get my ipod to detect in hardy, how do i get it working?
[05:49] <sarixe> also in there, is Video, TV Show, Podcast, etc
[05:49] <sarixe> gluer: install gtkpod-aac
[05:49] <gluer> ok
[05:49] <tuntun> gutsy would ask to install nvidia drivers, but it seems hardy doesnt?
[05:49] <sarixe> or if you want to use the ipod in a different media player, like rhythmbox or amarok, just install libgpod3
[05:50] <sarixe> tuntun: System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[05:51] <evil-rhino> hello
[05:51] <Dr_willis> that hardware-drivers thing - dident isntall mynvidia drivers. I had to manyally install the nvidia-glx-new package.
[05:51] <evil-rhino>  i upgrade to hardy, which upgrade my firefox to ver. 3. all my application handlers for various content types disappeared. now firefox doesn't know what to do with .pdfs, .torrents, etc. any suggestions?
[05:51] <evil-rhino> s/upgrade/upgraded/g, dunno what happened to my verb conjugation.
[05:54] <tuntun> sarixe, yeah I know how to do it but why would they remove that prompt?
[05:54] <sarixe> i don't know... maybe it's a bug
[05:54] <sarixe> same happened here
[05:55] <HorizonX1> I'm running Hardy on my laptop with an NVidia video card, and my display keeps freezing, along with inputs; the computer's still running (I can tell because any music or movies that were playing still continue), the display just stops responding, and so do the inputs (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does nothing) Any ideas?
[05:55] <tuntun> sarixe, who sould i be notifying?
[05:55] <sarixe> launchpad bugs, i suppose
[05:56] <DanaG> ℻℡☎☏✆
[05:56] <sarixe> O.o
[05:56] <sarixe> no fun
[05:56] <DanaG> Heh, I didn't know you could spell "FAX" with just one letter.
[05:56] <sarixe> neither me
[05:56] <DanaG> One character:  ℻
[05:57] <DanaG> gucharmap is fun to explore.
[05:57] <sarixe> hahaha
[05:57] <tuntun> it could get messy...
[05:57] <Black_Magic> anyone have problems with X freezing?
[05:58] <sarixe> none here, Black_Magic
[05:58] <Black_Magic> Well My screen freezes ALOT if i try and Upgrade...
[05:58] <Black_Magic> so i have to force reboot and continue...
[05:58] <Black_Magic> which sometimes messes up packages while installing..
[05:58] <Black_Magic> Update manager usualy uses like
[05:58] <Black_Magic> 100MB oF ram alone -.-
[05:58] <sarixe> O.o
[05:59] <tuntun> Black_Magic, how long did you wait before reseting it?
[06:00] <Black_Magic> about 30mins
[06:00] <Black_Magic> i couldnt move mouse do ctrl+alt+Backspace
[06:00] <Black_Magic> nothing
[06:00] <Black_Magic> not even stopping x :/
[06:00] <gluer> BM: I got that 2-3 times today as well
[06:01] <tuntun> Black_Magic, i thought you might have just needed to wait it out...
[06:01] <gluer> screen goes black and laptop stays on
[06:01] <Black_Magic> Acctually
[06:01] <Black_Magic> its stuck in the last state it was in
[06:02] <Black_Magic> it just stays with all windows up ect and i does nothing
[06:02] <gluer> happened as well, but became unstuck after about 5 mins
[06:03] <DanaG> Are you using compiz at the time?
[06:03] <gluer> yep
[06:03] <Black_Magic> Yea...
[06:03] <Black_Magic> it does it sometimes without :/
[06:03] <DanaG> I've been getting hard-lockups when under heavy GPU+HDD activity.
[06:04] <DanaG> Even under Windows, though!
[06:04] <sarixe> mebbe it's the hardware?
[06:04] <DanaG> Perhaps.
[06:05] <Black_Magic> Never got a hard lockup on Windows
[06:05] <hylinux> hi, anyone use thinkpad t60? how about your 3d effect?
[06:05] <Black_Magic> just having problems since Hardy with that
[06:05] <hylinux> it work success?
[06:05] <Black_Magic> i only have the effects at Normal Tho
[06:05] <hylinux> my graphics card is x1300
[06:05] <hylinux> ati serial.
[06:06] <Black_Magic> i dont get them when its Extra :/
[06:06] <Black_Magic> but windows do open slower when affects enabled
[06:06] <hylinux> I can't make 3d work success always.
[06:06] <DanaG> What GPU do you have lockups on?
[06:06] <gluer> nv geforce go 7600 for me
[06:06] <hylinux> GandaG: you talk with me? ati
[06:06] <DanaG> Either who is having hard lockups.
[06:07] <gluer> DanaG: yeh 3-4 lockups today
[06:08] <DanaG> It only happens when I'm running Azureus (or doing other disk-intensive things) while using compiz, for me.
[06:08] <DistroJockey> I also had a lockup while doing an upgrade today. Couldn't Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or go to TTY's. Left it for about 5mins then had to Alt+SysRq+S then U then B (ATI card here)
[06:09] <sarixe> DanaG : in my experience, azureus has never been very hdd intensive
[06:09] <DistroJockey> GUI apt-get upgrade of a running Hardy beta that is^
[06:10] <m1r> can someone help with usb wlan adapter droping on establishing conection ?
[06:10] <Black_Magic> lol Things like Update Manager is what causes mine
[06:11] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: yep, that's what I was doing (this is the first time it's happened for me though)
[06:12] <Black_Magic> it like lags real bad when is fetching the stuff
[06:12] <DanaG> I was reading from ntfs-3g to seed, and running first hash-checks.
[06:12] <Black_Magic> you know when you first open it and its searching for the new packages ect?
[06:12] <dbmoodb> s
[06:12] <dbmoodb> sorry -- my fault wrong window
[06:12] <Black_Magic> then it lags like hell when i startthe upgrade
[06:13] <Black_Magic> then it goes back to normal when it starts installing long as i dont re-open the window im fine till install..
[06:13] <dbmoodb> it normally does that -- (at least on my older computer)
[06:13] <dbmoodb> not the last part tho
[06:13] <dbmoodb> have you updated recently ?
[06:14] <Black_Magic> yep..
[06:15] <Black_Magic> yesturday...
[06:15] <Black_Magic> and 112 more today...
[06:15] <Black_Magic> brb switching routers
[06:19] <gluer> how do i mount my ipod?
[06:20] <sarixe> it should automatically mount
[06:20] <sarixe> if not, try mount /dev/sdb1
[06:21] <HorizonX1> ok
[06:21] <HorizonX1> Black_Magic, I'm having the same problems as you
[06:21] <sarixe> ok what?
[06:21] <gluer> sarixe: mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:21] <sarixe> oh
[06:21] <HorizonX1> and gluer, I have the same video card
[06:22] <sarixe> er... try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/ipod
[06:22] <sarixe> or something similar
[06:22] <sarixe> you may have to mkdir /media/ipod
[06:23] <sarixe> and this all probably needs sudo in the front
[06:25] <keithclark> anyone know why evolution-data-server-2.22 would take over my computer's cpu?  It is using all of my processing power.....I've been at 100% for the last hour
[06:25] <sarixe> how do i get dbus or hal working for amarok?  it doesn't recognize my ipod automatically, and dbus/hal seems to be the problem
[06:26] <keithclark> Man, I can barely type.....this process has just taken over my computer.
[06:27] <sarixe> ouch
[06:29] <keithclark> Does anyone know what this process does?
[06:30] <DistroJockey> keithclark: "The data server, called "Evolution Data Server" is responsible for managing mail, calendar, addressbook, tasks and memo information."
[06:31] <clinton> Where/how do I install the codecs on AMD64 that include aac, xvid, etc?
[06:31] <keithclark> DistroJockey:  I use none of those.
[06:31] <farkewie> hi can anyone recomend software to turn my dvds in to video files?
[06:32] <tritium> clinton: the easiest way is to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:32] <DistroJockey> keithclark: If you don't use Evolution, I would say it's safe to kill it
[06:32] <tritium> clinton: that will install several packages, including w64codecs
[06:32] <keithclark> I've never used Evolution.
[06:32] <clinton> tritium: w64?  and of course I was searching for w32.. old habits..
[06:33] <tritium> clinton: yes, for 64 bit
[06:33] <DistroJockey> keithclark: it and the data server are installed by default, and I guess the evolution data server runs at startup
[06:33] <clinton> tritium: I figured as much.  I have it going now, ty.
[06:33] <tritium> clinton: sure
[06:33] <keithclark> DistroJockey, well, this is not right....
[06:33] <keithclark> DistroJockey, I can barley type!
[06:34] <DistroJockey> keithclark: go to a Terminal and type:  sudo killall evolution
[06:34] <keithclark> Whew, process killed.
[06:34] <DistroJockey> :)
[06:34] <keithclark> Processor now at 2%
[06:34] <DistroJockey> much better :)
[06:35] <keithclark> Yes, they have work to do I see!
[06:35] <keithclark> Thank god this is a test machine!
[06:35] <keithclark> Everything else works wonderful though!
[06:35] <DistroJockey> as it sould be ;)
[06:35] <DistroJockey> should^
[06:36] <keithclark> DistroJockey, is there a way to not run Evolution by default?
[06:36] <keithclark> Can I remove it?
[06:37] <DistroJockey> just looking into that :)
[06:37] <keithclark> My computer was beginning to heat my house!
[06:37] <clinton> DistroJockey: do what I do to nano
[06:37] <clinton> DistroJockey: sudo aptitude remove nano && cd /usr/bin && sudo ln -s emacs nano
[06:38] <DistroJockey> clinton: I have nothing against nano, I just don't use it, or emacs for that matter :)
[06:41] <sarixe> &&?
[06:41] <sarixe> don't you mean ;
[06:41] <sarixe> brb, at any rate
[06:42] <keithclark> Yahoo headline:  Man Charges Bigfoot with Assault!!!!!  Only in America!
[06:42] <keithclark> Sorry, comedy relief!
[06:43] <DistroJockey> keithclark: I can't see where evolution stuff is getting loaded :(
[06:44] <keithclark> DistroJockey, hmmm, that is not good.
[06:44] <DistroJockey> keithclark: This guide is nice though:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[06:45] <keithclark> DistroJockey, holy cow, yes it is!
[06:45] <DistroJockey> :)
[06:46] <clinton> sarixe: nope I mean &&, it means execute the next command if and only if the previous one exits with no errors
[06:47] <clinton> oh, he's gone
[06:47] <keithclark> I wonder why it loaded then.......It happened about an hour ago and rebooting does not help
[06:47] <clinton> tritium: after installing w64codecs, I still don't seem to have divx or mp4, are those in a different package?
[06:48] <DistroJockey> keithclark: $ ps -e | grep evolution        5718 ?        00:00:00 evolution-alarm   5760 ?        00:00:00 evolution-excha
[06:49] <DistroJockey> keithclark: not run evolution
[06:49] <clinton> DistroJockey: uninstall it
[06:50] <clinton> DistroJockey: that's why I gave you the example with nano, I don't like nano, so I remove it and put something there to make everything else happy
[06:50] <DistroJockey> clinton: It's not really bothering me, but keithclark is having issues
[06:51] <DistroJockey> clinton: how would you modify your nano example to do that?
[06:51] <clinton>  while true ; do kill $(ps e | grep evolution | awk '{print $1}') ; sleep 1 ; done
[06:51] <clinton> keithclark: run that line to keep evolutin dead for the time being
[06:52] <DistroJockey> clinton: cool
[06:52] <sarixe> geez
[06:52] <clinton> while true ; do kill $(ps e | grep evolution | awk '{print $1}') 2>/dev/null ; sleep 1 ; done
[06:52] <sarixe> amarok is failing left and right
[06:52] <keithclark> clinton, got you
[06:52] <clinton> do that one so you don't get stupid errors
[06:52] <clinton> sarixe: nope I mean &&, it means execute the next command if and only if the previous one exits with no errors
[06:52] <sarixe> i can't manually or automatically connect to my ipod
[06:52] <keithclark> clinton DistroJockey, what about when I reboot?
[06:52] <sarixe> oh nice
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: you'll have to redo the script -- keep in mind it is temporary
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: is evolution something you use?
[06:53] <keithclark> clinton, got you....hmm...gotta love betas
[06:53] <keithclark> clinton, no, I do not use evolution
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: what's preventing you from removing the package then?
[06:54] <keithclark> clinton, nothing.....sorry, I'm fairly new, what to remove?
[06:54] <clinton> keithclark: sudo aptitude remove evolution
[06:54] <sarixe> amarok won't automatically load the ipod, due to a dbus or hal thing, and it won't manually do it because it says it already has an ipod with that mount point/name, even though it doesn't
[06:54] <clinton> aka... devolve into an ameoba
[06:55] <keithclark> clinton, yeah, working on that....
[06:55] <clinton> keithclark: it should take 30 seconds, tops
[06:55] <clinton> sarixe: reboot?
[06:55] <sarixe> tried that
[06:55] <sarixe> same error
[06:55] <clinton> sarixe: kick it?
[06:55] <sarixe> errors, even
[06:55] <sarixe> eh, it's a laptop, i don't wanna try that
[06:56] <clinton> ah, drop it then
[06:56] <sarixe> hahaha
[06:56] <sarixe> no thanks :P
[06:56] <clinton> right
[06:56] <clinton> sarixe: what has google told you about this issue?
[06:56] <sarixe> erm, nothing useful
[06:57] <keithclark> clinton....okay, that was tied to a lot of stuff
[06:57] <clinton> keithclark: such as?
[06:58] <keithclark> clinton, open office, nautilus....
[06:58] <keithclark> yikes
[06:58] <clinton> wow
[06:58] <DistroJockey> The following packages will be REMOVED:    evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins
[06:58] <clinton> here it's tied to nothing of that importance
[06:59] <DistroJockey> is what I get when I sudo apt-get remove evolution
[06:59] <clinton> DistroJockey: that looks right to me
[06:59] <DistroJockey> nods
[06:59] <clinton> sarixe: have you tried aptitude purge user ?
[06:59] <sarixe> er, no
[06:59] <clinton> good, don't
[07:00] <clinton> you won't like the outcome
[07:00] <sarixe> heh
[07:00] <keithclark> No worries, let's try a reboot
[07:00] <keithclark> brb
[07:00] <clinton> keithclark: see ya soon
[07:00] <sarixe> i figured, doesn't sound to friendly
[07:00] <keithclark> clinton, hopefully!!!!
[07:00] <clinton> finally - I'm getting somewhere tying my ps3 to my pc
[07:00] <sarixe> with what, a rope? heh heh heh
[07:00] <DistroJockey> hehe
[07:00] <clinton> heh
[07:01] <clinton> sarixe: actually a tombstone
[07:01] <sarixe> interesting... didn't know a tombstone could also serve as a tying device
[07:01] <DistroJockey> I was going to say a boat ;)
[07:01] <clinton> sarixe: it does a good job keeping stuff down tho
[07:02] <sarixe> yep
[07:02] <sarixe> well, this amarok thing is just nuts
[07:02] <clinton> keithclark: you made it
[07:02]  * clinton cheers and drinks more beer
[07:02] <sarixe> it seems like i just need to enable dbus or hal, somehow
[07:02] <keithclark> Yes, I sure did!  In one piece!
[07:02] <clinton> sarixe: which do you have installed? one or both?
[07:02] <keithclark> Evolution data server still running!
[07:03] <sarixe> i don't know
[07:03] <sarixe> but i get this error:
[07:03] <sarixe> No new media devices were found. If you feel this is an error, ensure that the DBUS and HAL daemons are running and KDE was built with support for them. You can test this by running "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in a Konsole window.
[07:03] <clinton> sarixe: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[07:03] <DistroJockey> clinton: Cheers!
[07:03] <sarixe> trying
[07:03] <keithclark> WHAT IS THIS THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:03] <clinton> keithclark: that's what she said!
[07:03] <keithclark> hahhaahhaahahhahahaha
[07:03] <sarixe> restart was [ OK ]
[07:03] <sarixe> lol, nice
[07:04] <clinton> sarixe: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[07:04] <keithclark> Good news is that it takes up no cpu time........go figure!
[07:05] <keithclark> This process is as bad as windows messenger!
[07:05] <keithclark> A Klingon!
[07:05]  * Dr_willis looks about.
[07:05] <Dr_willis> Savage2 demo worked well under Hardy. :)
[07:05] <DistroJockey> keithclark: try:  sudo apt-get remove evolution-data-server
[07:06] <DistroJockey> The following packages will be REMOVED:   ekiga evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins
[07:06] <keithclark> DistroJockey, like I said, this is an experimental machine!
[07:06] <DistroJockey> :)
[07:07] <DistroJockey> keithclark: playing with alpha's and beta's I would hope so :)
[07:07] <sarixe> ok, there we go
[07:07] <sarixe> clinton : that just restarted a whole slew of things
[07:07] <keithclark> DistroJockey....beta's and up
[07:07] <DistroJockey> nods :)
[07:07] <clinton> sarixe: did it help?
[07:07] <keithclark> ok, reboot?
[07:07] <tritium> clinton: sorry, I was /away earlier
[07:08] <sarixe> lemme see
[07:08] <DistroJockey> keithclark: yeah, may aswell :)
[07:08] <keithclark> here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:09] <sarixe> no, no help
[07:09] <clinton> tritium: np
[07:09] <clinton> tritium: did you happen to see the question?
[07:09] <wilburdude> Anyone aware of Intel Pro/1000 (e1000) issues in AMD64  ?
[07:09] <tritium> clinton: yes, in my log.  You can get dvd support with packages in the medibuntu repos
[07:09] <clinton> sarixe: if that doesn't work, and reboots don't work, there just may be a bug
[07:09] <sarixe> mm
[07:10] <wilburdude> e1000 module appears to load for me, and I get link light, but ethtool reports no link, and I can't connect via dhcp or static.  Any ideas?
[07:11] <DistroJockey> keithclark: wb!
[07:11] <keithclark> Woohoo!
[07:11] <keithclark> Ok, gone!!!!
[07:12] <DistroJockey> sweet :)
[07:12] <keithclark> Thank you, my new friends!
[07:12] <clinton> keithclark: awesome
[07:12] <DistroJockey> yw :)
[07:12] <keithclark> You are both kind to help me out.  I hope to pay back one day............
[07:13] <m1r> keithclark: buy those guys beer
[07:13] <DistroJockey> Anytime, I learn at the same time, so you did help :)
[07:13] <keithclark> If you were in Canada, I'd buy the beer, no problem at all.
[07:13] <DistroJockey> m1r: hehe
[07:13] <m1r> beer always helps ;)
[07:13] <DistroJockey> just got a carton, so I'm good for a little bit ;)
[07:14] <keithclark> mlr, I have no issues buying beer, It's just what Canadians do!
[07:14] <clinton> non-free-codecs
[07:14] <clinton> :)
[07:14] <m1r> gj keithclark ;)
[07:14] <tritium> clinton: that depends on w64codecs
[07:14] <clinton> so I noticed
[07:14] <quentusrex> Why does my system monitor only show on of my processor cores?
[07:14] <clinton> I had my hopes up for a moment...
[07:14] <keithclark> Other than this issue, 8.04 seems very stable!
[07:15] <tritium> !dvd > clinton
[07:15] <tritium> clinton: also /msg ubotu divx
[07:15] <sarixe> clinton : i think there may be a missing package somewhere... lemme check amarok's dependencies for some recommended packages
[07:16] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: does the following command show 2?:  less /proc/cpuinfo
[07:17] <clinton> tritium: nope... those odn't work either
[07:17] <tritium> clinton: in what way?
[07:17] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, no. only one....
[07:17] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, the bug I discovered yesterday in konqueror occurs only with specific sites and only when I click the button back..
[07:17] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: then it looks like you only have one
[07:17] <keithclark> Ok, one last little question here......and I'm sorry to tax you....is trackerd really necessary?  I've noticed it gobbling processor power as well.
[07:18] <clinton> tritium: I still don't have mpeg4 codecs that I can use with ffmpeg
[07:18] <justin007827> hello
[07:18] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, no. I have a dual core processor.
[07:18] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what one?
[07:18] <quentusrex> Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[07:18] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: that would be a HT one I believe
[07:18] <sarixe> pentium d is dual core? i didn't know...
[07:19] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: HyperThreaded
[07:19] <wilburdude> That D is dual core.
[07:19] <sarixe> ah
[07:19] <DistroJockey> hmm
[07:19] <wilburdude> Thats the pentium d 805, dual core and x64
[07:19] <DistroJockey> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
[07:19] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, It's dual core... Trust me. I just upgraded and now ubuntu doesn't realize I have the second core.
[07:19] <DistroJockey> that's mine
[07:19] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: yep, I believe you
[07:19] <clinton> quentusrex: which linux image are you using?
[07:19] <justin007827> installed H.H. on first gen. macbook pro. Things were fine. Tried to select an emerald theme. Emerald theme manager let me choose it, but never updated after reboot. Tried to install XGL. broke my GNOME setting daemon. Any clues as to what happened and how to get emerald to work??
[07:20] <quentusrex> Linux quentusrex-desktop 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU
[07:20] <wilburdude> So no one has any clues as to why I can't get network connection with my intel pro/1000 card?
[07:20] <loa> you need smp kernel.
[07:20] <clinton> quentusrex: wrong kernel
[07:20] <quentusrex> I don't see the smp kernel available in the apt-cache search.
[07:21] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: my  uname -a  = Linux myubuntu 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:21] <quentusrex> apt-cache search linux-image|grep 2.6.24
[07:21] <clinton> an Ubuntu? heh
[07:21] <Hobbsee> clinton: /
[07:21] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:21] <justin007827> hi room
[07:21] <keithclark> DistroJockey and clinton:  You guys are the best.  I thank you and have a good evening!
[07:21] <room> hi
[07:21] <clinton> Hobbsee: words that start with consonant sounding sounds should be prefixed with a, not an
[07:21] <DistroJockey> keithclark: cheers! You too :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> clinton: u is a vowel, not a consonant.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> last time i went to school, anyway.
[07:22] <clinton> Hobbsee: the U is pronounced as you, right?  think of "a user", notice it isn't "an user"
[07:23] <sarixe> a youbuntu
[07:23] <sarixe> possibly
[07:23] <DistroJockey> Hobbsee:  I agree with clinton :)
[07:23] <justin007827> wow, its really snowing outside. If anyone would like to take the time to help figure out this bug, please let me know.
[07:23] <lance-> It's not pronounced as 'you'.
[07:23] <tritium> clinton: it's not pronounced as "youbuntu"
[07:24] <quentusrex> it's pronounced oobuntoo
[07:24] <clinton> Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".
[07:24] <quentusrex> yeah
[07:24] <quentusrex> ooboontoo
[07:24] <tritium> clinton: right
[07:24] <clinton> so we're all wrong trying to apply English grammar rules to an African word
[07:24] <quentusrex> guys, why wont' apt-get show me any smp kernel images?
[07:24] <clinton> quentusrex: maybe you need to expand your list of sources
[07:25] <oxigen> quentusrex: sms = generic
[07:25] <oxigen> *spm
[07:25] <oxigen> *smp :)
[07:25] <tritium> correct, oxigen
[07:25] <quentusrex> ok, so I need to boot into the generic kernel?
[07:25] <quentusrex> why doesn't the generic kernel say anything about smp?
[07:26] <clinton> oxigen: third times the charm
[07:26] <m1r> i need little help in conky setup please. how can i monitor my swap usage ? for home it says: home: ${fs_used /home}/${fs_size /home} , how can i make it monitor my swap usage ?
[07:26] <oxigen> it's still early here... before cafe
[07:26] <clinton> quentusrex: if you run top and hit 1 (one) a couple of times, what happens?
[07:26] <justin007827> is there an incompatibility between ati driver and xgl in H.H. maybe?
[07:26] <quentusrex> clinton, the second core is not recognized....
[07:26] <clinton> quentusrex: top says that?
[07:26] <clinton> odd
[07:26] <clinton> I didn't know top could do that
[07:27] <DistroJockey> ooo, nice tip clinton
[07:27] <clinton> DistroJockey: I've had fun with those tools.  I have a G15 keyboard that I made up some scripts for putting system information onto the screen.
[07:27] <DistroJockey> clinton: very nice :)
[07:28] <quentusrex> clinton, top only says there is one core....
[07:28] <quentusrex> cpu(0)
[07:28] <quentusrex> cpu(1) isn't there....
[07:28] <DanaG> htop ⋙ top
[07:28] <clinton> quentusrex: OK
[07:28] <clinton> quentusrex: reboot into the generic image
[07:29] <tritium> quentusrex: "uname -a" should indicate SMP
[07:29] <justin007827> is anyone not bussy?
[07:29] <clinton> justin007827: sure
[07:29] <justin007827> sorry, my problem is kind of trivial, but its pissing me off.
[07:29] <clinton> justin007827: well tell us
[07:30] <justin007827> cant get emerald theme manager to work. tried installing xgl and my gnome session got all messed up.
[07:30] <clinton> modprobe telepathy
[07:30] <clinton> FATAL: Module telepathy not found.
[07:30] <justin007827> uninstalled and it fixed it
[07:30] <justin007827> did the same thing when i upgraded from Gusty
[07:30] <justin007827> so I tried to start from scratch
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: isntall compiz and it's various dependencies, also install fusion-icon, and ensure you have emerald and emerald-theme-manager or whatever its called installed to
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: set up Gnome to autostart fusion-icon
[07:31] <justin007827> ihave all that, but i think fusion icon might be missing
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: that's how I have things setup - and things work smoothly for me, no need for xgl
[07:31] <Adys> #compiz-fusion is very inactive right now, just pasting in here - is the bug that puts the top window decorations outside the screen a known/tracked one? on dual monitors only, i precise
[07:31] <justin007827> k, great
[07:32] <justin007827> i'll try it
[07:32] <clinton> justin007827: you should like it, it lets you switch between WM's quite smoothly
[07:32] <justin007827> great, thank you for helping me in my pointless persuit of eye candy hehe
[07:33] <clinton> justin007827: I actually prefer this pointless eye candy since the nv driver sucks horrifically for my video card
[07:33] <gluer> yeh if i didnt have eye cany i wouldnt be married ;-)
[07:34] <clinton> justin007827: If I don't use these "goodies" window events just aren't very smooth
[07:34] <justin007827> ok, i am using ati driver i think
[07:34] <justin007827> for macbook pro
[07:35] <justin007827> i tried the open sorce driver on Gusty, but it didnt work good
[07:35]  * clinton is sufficiently buzzed
[07:36] <DistroJockey> clinton: IRC newbie here. What command was that?
[07:36] <justin007827> got it al linstalled, how does fusion-button work?
[07:36]  * DanaG prefers not having emerald.
[07:36] <DistroJockey> Please stop teasing me! ;)
[07:36] <tritium> DistroJockey: /me blah blah
[07:37] <DistroJockey> cheers tritium :)
[07:37] <justin007827> nm, got it
[07:37] <clinton> tritium: thanks.. i couldn't figure out what DistroJockey was talking about?
[07:37] <clinton> err, no ? needed there
[07:37] <DistroJockey> hehe
[07:37] <DistroJockey> sorry clinton
[07:38] <tritium> clinton: ;)
[07:38] <teamcobra> hey all... this is a stupid question, but my friend has a hosed gnome config.... I've deleted .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd and .metacity , and it still loads his config... any ideas?
[07:38] <clinton> teamcobra: delete .config
[07:38] <justin007827> Clinton:  Thanks, that worked great. Didnt even have to restart session.
[07:38] <clinton> justin007827: np, enjoy!
[07:39] <justin007827> would that work on my desktop too. It has H.H. amd64
[07:39] <clinton> justin007827: yup, I'm running right now Hardy on amd64
[07:39] <justin007827> Sweet. Well, i'm gunna go smoke and watch it snow. I can;'t believe its snowing in seattle in spring, lol
[07:40] <justin007827> global warming is crazzy
[07:40] <clinton> justin007827: I even have hardy going on my machine at work.  Was great till I had to fire up vmware, oops
[07:40] <justin007827> its not working yet?
[07:40] <teamcobra> virtualbox FTW! :D
[07:40] <clinton> teamcobra: I wish.
[07:41] <clinton> teamcobra: as soon as I get time to swap things over to that I will
[07:41] <teamcobra> clinton: doing some heavy lifting, then?
[07:41] <justin007827> I havn't messed with virtualization yet, what can you do with it?
[07:41] <teamcobra> justin: play with other os's
[07:41] <clinton> teamcobra: yup
[07:41] <teamcobra> clinton: why not go with xen... or.... maybe vmware 3i when it gets a bit better
[07:42] <teamcobra> the idea behing 3i is very solid...... hopefully xen goes that route too
[07:42] <clinton> teamcobra: not my choice, it's a work machine
[07:42] <justin007827> thats what I thought.  Is it possible to virtualize gentoo in ubuntu?
[07:42] <DanaG> Virtualbox is free ($); part of it is even Free (source)
[07:42] <DanaG> .
[07:42] <clinton> justin007827: yup, I was just doing that yesterday here at home with virtualbox
[07:42] <justin007827> i would really like to try it, but gentoo is intimidating
[07:43] <DanaG> (I'm obsessive-compulsive about my own punctuation, but not about others'.)
[07:43] <clinton> justin007827: keep in mind that even if you're running on AMD64, virtualbox simulates 32bit
[07:43] <teamcobra> clinton: nice, .config had to go ;)
[07:43] <clinton> teamcobra: cool
[07:43] <justin007827> vmware is 64-bit
[07:43] <justin007827> ?
[07:43] <Lynoure> What's the main advantage of virtualbox over kvm?
[07:43] <teamcobra> just installed dsl at a buddy's, upgraded his laptop (we have 2 identical compaqs) to 8.04 :)
[07:44] <clinton> teamcobra: identical compaq's?  do you lspci's match up?
[07:44] <justin007827> lol
[07:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm... as I read this, I'm looking for a good virtual machine that runs on Linux
[07:44] <teamcobra> Lynoure: the interface ;)
[07:44] <clinton> Zvezdichko: virtualbox
[07:44] <Zvezdichko> I mean, freeware
[07:44] <teamcobra> clinton: amazingly enough ;)
[07:44] <DanaG> That was one big thing for me, too.  VMWare's interface is bulky.  Way bulky.
[07:44] <clinton> teamcobra: wow, that's impressive coming from compaq, they must be from the same production run
[07:44] <Lynoure> teamcobra: some GUI, that is?
[07:45] <DanaG> VirtualBox has Seamless Mode, which is pretty nifty!
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> hmmm... rebooting, back here in a minute
[07:45] <teamcobra> clinton: yup ;) and I think they stopped making these laptops shortly after
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> going to try andlinux, bye
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:45] <teamcobra> but they're not bad, $579 each w 1gb ram and a gf6100 (had them since last summer)
[07:45] <justin007827> Clinton: is there any documentation that you would recomend fo building a virtual gentoo machine?
[07:45] <teamcobra> Justin: painkillers
[07:45] <justin007827> lmao
[07:45] <justin007827> yea
[07:45] <clinton> justin007827: for building gentoo itself or the virutalization?
[07:45] <teamcobra> and this is coming from a person that's used slack for 12 years ;)
[07:46]  * DanaG is a mild HP fanboy himself (though not anything like Apple fanboys)
[07:46] <justin007827> the virtualization. I have messed a little with gentoo already
[07:46] <clinton> justin007827: virtualbox is so painfully easy I can be drunk and use it
[07:46] <teamcobra> DanaG: good cheap hardware, terrible support (but who cares?)
[07:46] <DanaG> I try to limit myself to, at worst, annoying people by saying,  "Hey, look at this!  Hey, look at that!  Ooooh, look at this thing! ... and so on".
[07:47] <DanaG> I'm not the "OMG, they are $DIETY; they can do no wrong!" sorty.
[07:47] <justin007827> clinton: ok i'll check it. How bout vmware. A friend of mine suggested it. does it have any advantages ?
[07:47] <DanaG> sort.
[07:47] <clinton> DanaG: Are you one of my co-workers?
[07:47] <clinton> justin007827: it can be free or you can pay for a supported version
[07:47] <teamcobra> heh, everyone that's seen my laptop has gotten a custom hardy dvd... but the scary thing is, they _asked_ for it ;)
[07:47] <DanaG> I wouldn't know.  I'll say where I go: Cal Poly, SLO.
[07:47] <clinton> justin007827: vmware has been used for years
[07:48] <teamcobra> justin: vmware is kinda cripped unless you buy it... and vbox beats it in performance on this amd64 x2
[07:48] <clinton> DanaG: I was being a smart ass, one of my co-workers does that quite often with his eye-candy stuff
[07:48] <DanaG> I do that about various random HP products, and only sometimes with my eye-candy stuff.
[07:49] <justin007827> clinton: I see, thank you very much. I think i'm about to start that. Any gentoo wisdom to pass on before I attempt it on a virtual machine?
[07:49] <clinton> justin007827: be patient
[07:49] <Dr_willis> very patient with gentoo
[07:50] <justin007827> ok. takes a few days right?
[07:50] <DanaG> Surprisingly, people don't often comment on my eye-candy or themes.
[07:50] <clinton> I was using Gentoo forever before this.. I accidentally fdisk'ed the wrong drive and my backup wasn't quite complete, so I decided to try something else
[07:50] <Dr_willis> install the base system. :) install the ssh server, ssh in,  cut/paste the rest of the install docs from some other machine.
[07:50] <DanaG> I usually have them set relatively tame.
[07:50] <gluer> check this out: http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-microsoft-windows-seamless-integration
[07:50] <Dr_willis> There may be some  premade gentoo virtual machines on the vmware virtual machine pages.
[07:51] <teamcobra> heh, ubuntu was the only distro that got the quirks of these 2 laptops right ;)
[07:51] <DanaG> And my screen is frickin' dim, partly because it's old, and partly because it's crappy.
[07:51] <DistroJockey> DanaG: I like having my windows burst into flames when I close them :)
[07:51] <clinton> I woudln't mind going back to Gentoo, but the simple things I had to put hours into making them work or, well, *just working* TM here in Ubuntu
[07:51] <quentusrex> Does anyone here know a lot about gpg? What are the differences between DSA? and RSA?
[07:51] <DanaG> I use Dream on open and Sidekick on close.
[07:51] <DanaG> I use Lamp for minimize/maximize, and Vacuum for menus.
[07:51] <teamcobra> wow, as much as I hate windows, that setup is pretty in its own way ;)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> quentusrex: suggestion:  http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=dsa+rsa+difference&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[07:52] <DanaG> That last thing looks relatively spiffy.
[07:52] <justin007827> Clinton: i agrea, ubuntu is powerfull and easy, but i want to try gentoo. All packages are compiled from source, correct?
[07:52] <DistroJockey> DanaG: :) Not played with those much
[07:52] <Dr_willis> clinton,  ther were some gentoo-spinoffs that  did a lot of the work for ya. but i never did get them workign right.
[07:52] <teamcobra> justin: your machine compiles all packages as it installs them
[07:52] <clinton> justin007827: yes, everything is compiled from source except the very few bin packages (firefox, openoffice, etc)
[07:52] <justin007827> clinton: and the flags, do i need to select any?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> gentoo is all about the flags....
[07:53] <clinton> Dr_willis: yea,but once you get something installed as your primary os you dont' really want to try spinoffs
[07:53] <clinton> justin007827: um, -pipe is a good one, but mostly just go with the defaults for starters.  Don't become a ricer.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> clinton,  most of the spinoffs were just gentoo + a lot of precompiled bits. You could emerge/tweak as you wanted.
[07:53] <nalioth> !offtopic
[07:53] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:53] <clinton> Dr_willis: true, but I was enjoying learning the grunts and bits of how things worked
[07:53] <Dr_willis> If using vmare as a test bed.check out the vmware appliances page.
[07:54]  * DanaG uses this in his VM:  http://brewman.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5498&libid=1
[07:54] <Dr_willis> I dident learn much from gentoo. :)
[07:54] <justin007827> ok
[07:54] <Dr_willis> other then how gentoo worked..  ubuntu lets me focus on the other bits.
[07:54] <DanaG> I use fullscreen, not seamless, because that nice blue in Windows, and my nice orange in Ubuntu, don't get along well with each other.
[07:55] <clinton> DanaG: so when I go to work wearing blue pants and an orange shirt I look hideous?
[07:55] <justin007827> Dr_willis: is there another os you think i might learn more from by trying to build a virtual machine on my ubuntu box?
[07:55] <Dr_willis> justin007827,  depends on what you want to learn.
[07:55] <DanaG> Not necessarily.
[07:55] <Dr_willis> learning how to cut/paste  obtouse commands from a install doc. isent learnng much. :)
[07:55] <clinton> DanaG: damn.. I was hoping it would be the case! hehe
[07:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, here's my orange theme (though screenshot has previous version of wallpaper):
[07:56] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[07:57] <clinton> DanaG: I run 4 virtual desktops, chats in one, email in another, web browsing in another, and random stuff in the last
[07:57] <justin007827> well, I should let you guys get back to H.H. chatter
[07:57] <justin007827> anks for all the info
[07:57] <justin007827> t*
[07:57] <clinton> justin007827: np
[07:58] <justin007827> ciao
[07:58] <clinton> DanaG: I also hide the system panel, alt-tab works good enough for me
[07:59] <clinton> brb
[07:59] <DanaG> I like the GTK theme I use.
[08:00] <DanaG> Oh, and another random note:  Next time I get a laptop, I am sooooooo going to get a case skin with the Heron image.
[08:00] <Arelis> Is Hardy gonna be delayed past 24 april, to boost the quality?
[08:00] <quentusrex> Why won't gpg let me generate an RSA key?
[08:01] <quentusrex> I want to be able to encrypt my e-mails as well as sign them...
[08:01] <DistroJockey> Arelis: I doubt it.
[08:01] <Arelis> Also, does it have a new theme? (I searched google, but got mixed results, (i searched about a week ago, and today), saying that it didn't have a new theme, but i saw the new wallpaper and colors on the hardy beta screenshots.)
[08:02] <Arelis> DistroJockey: dapper got delayed.
[08:02] <DistroJockey> Arelis: by how long?
[08:02] <Arelis> hmm... i think it was about 1 week, or a month
[08:02] <vinayy1> I upgraded from gutsy to hardy, and boot is pretty slow..
[08:03] <tritium> DistroJockey: until June 1
[08:03] <vinayy1> in bootchart i see a pause of almost 30 seconds in between.
[08:03] <vinayy1> is this a known issue?
[08:03] <DistroJockey> Arelis: well, it's just that .04 release is released in April (being the 4th month) and .10 in October
[08:03] <DistroJockey> as far as I know
[08:04] <tritium> That's correct, DistroJockey
[08:04] <DistroJockey> tritium: and Dapper was still called .04 ?
[08:05] <tritium> DistroJockey: no
[08:05] <DistroJockey> tritium: If so, then I guess it could be delayed, but I find it pretty stable, and they have a month
[08:05] <tritium> Dapper was called 6.06
[08:06] <DistroJockey> tritium: ahh, that's right
[08:06]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[08:09] <teamcobra> night DanaG
[08:13] <Scientus> i killed my mbr with qemu and now i am having trouble getting grub reinstalled. ubuntu live 7.04 could recognize my drive ad i could mount it but grub wont recognize my partition formatting, and super grub disk doesnt reconize the formatting of my ext3 and wont booot it, but the live cd could see all the files and i open up my grub menu.1st and stuff any idea on getting grub working again???
[08:13] <vinayy1> whenever I try to run any application in system->administration menu, i see a "starting adminstrative application" in the taskbar at the bottom and then nothing happens.
[08:13] <vinayy1> seems like there's a problem with policykit
[08:13] <vinayy1> or something that prompts for root credentials.
[08:13] <vinayy1> any thoughts?
[08:29] <baudelaire> hey, everyone.   Has anyone else had problems with the Audacious 1.5.0 update?  I have to turn the equilizer off now and can't use any of my presets.  It seem to have changed the way that operates.  Anyone else experience this?
[08:30] <pen> my firefox now can't run gmail in new skin
[08:30] <pen> is it because of the version?
[08:32] <teamcobra> pen: is it 3b4? I just logged into gmail and everything looked fine
[08:32] <teamcobra> with a button to change to "older version" if I wanted
[08:32] <Arelis> I want to use Hardy Heron as my daily operating system, mainly because it is more stable than Gutsy (well, the final version..) and has support for my Wacom Bamboo Fun. I haven't fixed apt-get (broken dependencies, for example) before, but have had some problems with it, like it segmentation faulting all the time. Good choice, or not?
[08:32] <pen> teamcobra: yes
[08:33] <pen> teamcobra: now it switches to incompatible mode in this version of FF
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Arelis: if you can get around in hardy, and aren't using it for mission critical stuff (ie, you have time to fix it if it breaks), then yes.
[08:33] <pen> teamcobra: the most basic theme...
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Arelis: but if you need a guarenteed-working machine, all the time, and aren't good at problem solving, then gutsy's a better choice
[08:34] <Hobbsee> Arelis: a big part of the problem si that often people don't know the answer to whatever bug you have, so you do have to do some research.
[08:34] <Arelis> well i've had to fix gutsy all the time, too. It isn't always available, sometimes there are problems which prevent me from working, or from working efficiently.
[08:34] <teamcobra> hrm, not sure then :/
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Arelis: then you're probably "safe" with hardy.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Arelis: at least, as safe as you are with gutsy :)
[08:36] <tritium> Arelis: note that hardy is _not_ more stable that gutsy at the moment.
[08:36] <Black_Magic> Well now im having problems with back and space
[08:36] <Black_Magic> if i write something long then i use the space button then start writting again
[08:36] <Black_Magic> it erases what ever words where behind the space -.-
[08:36] <baudelaire> hey, everyone.   Has anyone else had problems with the Audacious 1.5.0 update?  I have to turn the equilizer off now and can't use any of my presets.  It seem to have changed the way that operates.  Anyone else experience this?  Thanks for the help in advance.
[08:36] <Black_Magic> or if i just go to a part of a sentence and start typing it erases what was there with what im typing...
[08:37] <Arelis> of course, if i wouldn't have to spend so much time fixing problems on my computer, it'd be great.
[08:37] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: did hit hit the Insert key by mistake?
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: did you hit ^
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: I dont think >.> its been doing it for a bit
[08:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[08:38] <Black_Magic> >.>
[08:38] <Black_Magic> Ins key -.-
[08:38] <Black_Magic> What does that do anyways?
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: switches between normal and typeover mode
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: oh :/
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: Well sorry for asking...
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: may depend on the aplication though
[08:39] <Black_Magic> ATM Xchat
[08:39] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: no problem
[08:39] <Black_Magic> and kpdf
[08:39] <Black_Magic> Also has anyone noticed that the normal PDF viewer that comes with Ubuntu lags alot?
[08:39] <Black_Magic> and when you try and go down manully more then one page it starts sticking
[08:44] <justin007827> virtualbox-ose ? is this a good package to install for virtualization?
[08:45] <hischild> justin007827, that's virtualbox. It runs perfectly IMO
[08:45] <justin007827> hischild: thanks, do I need to select any other packages when installing in H.H.?
[08:46] <hischild> justin007827, no, that should do it.
[08:46] <justin007827> hischild: great, thanks a lot.
[08:47] <hischild> you're welcome
[08:49] <pen> when is FFb5 out?
[08:51] <Black_Magic> lol >.> elkbuntu How do i un ignore DrDerek :/
[08:52] <ere4si> my new xubuntu won't follow the choices I make for sessions in the settings manager :(
[09:00] <ere4si> I had conky starting after login and removed it from autostarted apps but the $*&#&%^ thing kept appearing - I had to uninstall it to stop it showing
[09:02] <Dr_willis> ere4si,  gnome has a session management feature that rembners started apps.
[09:02] <Dr_willis> xfce also has a similer feature. but i forget how its different from gnomes.
[09:03] <ere4si> Dr_willis: I'm using the new xubuntu :)
[09:03] <ere4si> k
[09:03] <Dr_willis> i though xfce desktop had aautostart apps setting tool. but i never messed withit
[09:03] <Dr_willis> i did like xfce on my laptop last week when i was trying it out
[09:05] <teamcobra> I'd never install an app named Conky, on principle ;)
[09:05] <ere4si> Dr_willis: I thought the interface from the settings manager should control the sessions - it is labeled "sessions"hehe
[09:05] <teamcobra> I've seen the Trailer Park Boys episodes ;)
[09:06] <Dr_willis> I got no idea what you are refering to teamcobra  :)
[09:06] <Dr_willis> conky is a nifty tool however.
[09:06] <Dr_willis> it dont work very nicely with kde/gnome at times :(
[09:07] <ere4si> I only didn't want it showing 'cause I was playing with gdesklets
[09:07] <teamcobra> Dr_willis: Canadian sitcom/mockumentary, "Conky" is a hand puppet that one of the characters has for 3 episodes out of 7 seasons.... and is pure evil
[09:07] <teamcobra> think Chucky from Child's Play, only a hand puppet, and blonde, with glasses
[09:09] <mohamed_> i installed nvidia driver and i can see nvidia logo when X running, but on desktop when run nvidia-setting i got error "  You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.  " any help to adjust this drivers ?
[09:10] <hischild> mohamed_, pastebin your xorg.conf please
[09:10] <Black_Magic> What Drivers Does Hardy use anyways :/
[09:10] <mohamed_> ok mom
[09:10] <Black_Magic> it seems they get updated about 3 times >.>
[09:10] <flowOver> my webcam isn't working .  its a creative live pro.
[09:11] <hischild> Black_Magic, it depends on what gfx card you have
[09:11] <Black_Magic> ATI :/
[09:11] <Black_Magic> I mean they keep getting Upgraded so i dont know if its the newer one
[09:11] <Black_Magic> the older one or
[09:11] <Black_Magic> some beta/alpha one :/
[09:11] <hischild> Black_Magic, i think those are fglrx but i'm not sure
[09:11] <mohamed_> hischild,  http://phpfi.com/305984
[09:11] <flowOver> anyone have a problem with the keyboard layouts acting funny?  mine keeps setting itself to something foreign.  everytime on startup and randomly as well.
[09:11] <Black_Magic> the Older FGLRX that comes with ubuntu or the ATI one...?
[09:12] <flowOver> it'll change back if i go into and look that the settings are all the same, then test the layout.
[09:12] <teamcobra> black: ati drivers still have glitches, but they are getting a lot better ;) the 780g chipset (radeon hd 3200) that I have in my server gets 31337 fps in glxgears (really)
[09:12] <kalatian> my 3850 gets ~14000
[09:12] <justin007827> whats glxgears?
[09:13] <hischild> mohamed_, did you try what the error suggested?
[09:13] <flowOver> but no matter what i do, i cannot get the quotation to work as it should .  it acts as an accent toggle
[09:13] <kalatian> at any rate, ubuntu uses fglrx if you ask, but ATI by default
[09:13] <ethana3> justin: well... depends who you ask
[09:13] <mohamed_> hischild, yes
[09:13] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: *passes Out*
[09:13] <hischild> i get around 3k
[09:13] <ethana3> glxgears should be called "ginb"
[09:14] <ethana3> 'ginb is not a benchmark'
[09:14] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Well Im getting stuff about XGL but thats not installed :/ About it starting automaticly and such
[09:14] <mohamed_> hischild, i delete xorg and restart X to create new one also
[09:14] <hischild> mohamed_, hmm ... to get rid of the logo you can add a option NoLogo "True"
[09:14] <hischild> don't remove, it can break stuff very badly
[09:14] <mohamed_> hischild, the Logo appear
[09:14] <Black_Magic> is there a way to change drivers if you once used ATI because The Open Source one give me glitches like flickering in and out bluured stuff when you open it real quick all kinda stuff
[09:14] <teamcobra> ethana: yeah, but it was funny that it got and held 31337 fps ;p
[09:15] <mohamed_> hischild, i need to adjust desktop refresh rate
[09:15] <ethana3> teamcobra: very nice
[09:15] <hischild> why do you need to adjust it? does it show you with 50 or 51 Hz?
[09:15] <teamcobra> black: the flickering is the closed source driver, there are a few glitches
[09:15] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: 6227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1245.222 FPS
[09:15] <hischild> Black_Magic, you can edit your xorg for that, use VESA for opensource or the FGLRX as closed source if i remember correctly
[09:15] <Black_Magic> Closed source what i mean :/
[09:15] <teamcobra> I noticed that alt-tabbing in compiz doesn';t properly show window previews
[09:15] <Black_Magic> VESA?
[09:16] <hischild> IIRC yes
[09:16] <teamcobra> black, does compiz work?
[09:16] <Black_Magic> in the driver place...
[09:16] <hischild> yes
[09:16] <Black_Magic> Can i still use Compiz...?
[09:16] <ethana3> i have a gpu that's around 300 glxgears.....
[09:16] <teamcobra> black; not w/ the open source driver unless you have an old card
[09:17] <Black_Magic> Lol my card sucks *****
[09:17] <Black_Magic> its one of those X cards
[09:17] <Black_Magic> :/
[09:17] <teamcobra> ethana: the 780g board I bought was 70 usd and plays et:quake wars nicely
[09:17] <Black_Magic> X300 X200 X350 Ect
[09:17] <teamcobra> black: definitely keep the fglrx then
[09:17] <teamcobra> I had a lappie w/ a 200m ,terrible
[09:17] <Black_Magic> and its a labtop card :/
[09:17] <Black_Magic> lol
[09:17] <Black_Magic> I have 200M Too :./
[09:17] <teamcobra> 6100 in this
[09:18] <Black_Magic> ATI Raedon Xpress 200M :/
[09:18] <teamcobra> geforce 6100, that is
[09:18] <Black_Magic> But im stuck with it
[09:18] <teamcobra> yup, I sold that other lappie
[09:18] <Black_Magic> Cant change Lappie Cards
[09:18] <teamcobra> indeed
[09:18] <teamcobra> at least the drivers are better
[09:18] <Black_Magic> Well I run Compiz Pretty good just small glitches
[09:18] <teamcobra> when I sold it, it couldn't use compiz at all
[09:19] <Black_Magic> Only small problems accure everything else works on my labtop with ubuntu is what gets me >.>
[09:19] <Black_Magic> Everything but Graphics work Perfectly
[09:19] <teamcobra> yup, they're fixing them, it seems ati is semi-serious about their cards not sucking now
[09:19] <justin007827> hischild: how do i install a linux distro on virtualbox?
[09:19] <teamcobra> and w/ ati drivers you have to disable compiz before you play nexuiz, alienarena, etc
[09:19] <hischild> justin007827, download the iso and then mount it under the cd tab
[09:20] <justin007827> hischild: thanks, i was hopeing it was that easy.
[09:20] <hischild> teamcobra, you have to disable compiz for almost everything unless you want a fugly screen
[09:20] <teamcobra> virtualbox should include vmgl for linux distros ;)
[09:20] <justin007827> vmgl?
[09:20] <teamcobra> gl in linux (and osx, I think) vm's
[09:20] <teamcobra> project at the U of T (toronto)
[09:21] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Same with non Open Source ATI Drivers....well they almost fixed it the game plays but it flickers in and out... so unplayable
[09:21] <Black_Magic> if they fix it a little more the drivers will be perfect and enable Games to be Played With COmpiz Enabled
[09:21] <teamcobra> Black: disable compiz
[09:21] <teamcobra> and it's fine
[09:21] <justin007827> man, my macbook pro is hot. Is there anything i can do about it?
[09:21] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: I know i dont have it on ATM windows open slower :/
[09:21] <justin007827> feels like it runs even hoter than osx
[09:22] <teamcobra> ok, just making sure.... disabling desktop effects fixes the flickering
[09:22] <teamcobra> and makes the penguins happy ;)
[09:23] <Black_Magic> lol anyone want to help me trace
[09:23] <Black_Magic> why it flickers?
[09:24] <Black_Magic> then maybe we could File ATI a thing and then they'll fix it and make it possible to play Games in
[09:24] <Black_Magic> Thing with Compiz ENabled
[09:25] <Black_Magic> whoah i got 2556 FPS :P
[09:25] <Black_Magic> with this crappy card..
[09:26] <justin007827> does anyone know how to increase the default minimum fan speed on a macbook in ubuntu?
[09:26] <teamcobra> no idea, macs make me sad :(
[09:27] <justin007827> me too
[09:27] <teamcobra> ubuntu on a mac makes me a bit happier, granted
[09:27] <teamcobra> what is the livecd boot key combo? I always mess it up
[09:27] <justin007827> makes me a lot happier. I bout it befor i learned abount linux
[09:27] <teamcobra> there's an imac 20" at work :/
[09:28] <justin007827> http://www.jasonparekh.com/2006/macbook-fan-control-in-linux/
[09:28] <justin007827> that page has some directions, but i dont really understand it
[09:28] <justin007827> for the fan thing
[09:29] <teamcobra> involves patching the kernel, looks kinda dirty/outdated
[09:29] <Black_Magic> is there a way to control fan in Toshiba's?
[09:29] <justin007827> hmm, ok, so probably don't need to worry about it? It just seems like it gets so hot.
[09:29] <teamcobra> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=download&op=view&download_id=27
[09:30] <justin007827> thanks, is it hard to do?
[09:31] <justin007827> I havn't done much with scripts
[09:31] <teamcobra> nop, looks like you just chmod it +x and run it
[09:31] <justin007827> great. I will give that a shot.
[09:31] <justin007827> thanks for looking for that.
[09:31] <teamcobra> no prob
[09:32] <afd_> hi! Anyone running wicd under hardy? I'm getting an error about security settings...
[09:33] <justin007827> teamcobra: my browser says "secure conection failed" when i tried to download that script
[09:33] <teamcobra> yeh, old ssl cert
[09:34] <justin007827> hmm, how do i download it then?
[09:34] <teamcobra> I read the script and it looked decent, even polled the cpu
[09:34] <justin007827> wget?
[09:34] <teamcobra> temporarily add an exception
[09:34] <justin007827> oh, sorry
[09:34] <teamcobra> np
[09:34] <justin007827> i didnt see that
[09:35]  * nonix4 ponders... anyone bother to toss him an up-to-date Hardy pool url?
[09:35] <teamcobra> nonix: I'm confused, do you just want to update from gutsy?
[09:36] <tanner> erm wtf
[09:36] <tanner> taking 20 minutes to transer 1.5gbs to my flash drive
[09:36] <tanner> >.>
[09:36] <Black_Magic> >.>
[09:36] <nonix4> teamcobra: trying to use jigdo, it complains that my local mirror misses 76 files
[09:36] <Black_Magic> That always happens :/
[09:36] <Black_Magic> It goes about 10-14MB/s When its below 1GB
[09:36] <Black_Magic> but anything above its slow as heck
[09:37] <teamcobra> ohh, sorry, tried jigdo a few times in the past and it left a bad taste in my mouth
[09:37] <tanner> this is beyond weird, slower than usb1 speeds
[09:37] <Black_Magic> lol i dont get it either its like the bigger the file the slower it goes...
[09:38] <Black_Magic> it drops to 1-2MB/s If over 1GB
[09:38] <tanner> whats odd is this is a recent development, it was doing this to a 600meg file earlier
[09:38] <justin007827> teamcobra: so now just "chmod +x applesmc.sh" in the directory i downloaded it
[09:38] <teamcobra> yup
[09:38] <justin007827> cool
[09:39] <justin007827> what is +x?
[09:39] <justin007827> gives x permission?
[09:40] <teamcobra> eXecutable
[09:40] <teamcobra> yes
[09:40] <justin007827> oh, ok
[09:40] <justin007827> hehe
[09:40] <justin007827> i'm new
[09:40] <teamcobra> ok, let me find a url to point you to regarding scripts and their safety
[09:40] <justin007827> awsome
[09:40] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Is that possible on Toshiba's?
[09:40] <Black_Magic> My labtop gets hot too
[09:41] <Black_Magic> i litterly have it ontop of a book so the air can vent and it still gets hot -./-
[09:41] <Black_Magic> i make sure the fan area insnt touching any surface
[09:41] <teamcobra> Black: that script won't work, but google around
[09:41] <DarkMageZ> Black_Magic, A100 series?
[09:41] <Black_Magic> DarkMageZ: A105
[09:42] <LMJ> Hello the chan
[09:42] <justin007827> teamcobra: what is the sintax to execute this script? and let me know if you find a url on script safety
[09:43] <Black_Magic> justin007827: Just drag and drop to terminal
[09:43] <justin007827> ok, thats easy
[09:43] <Black_Magic> oh dont forget to press enter afterwards
[09:43] <tanner> anyway to change how the drive mounts? ie. non synchronous
[09:44] <DistroJockey> ./applesmc.sh would also work if you were ther chmod'ing it
[09:44] <LMJ> I would like to know why Hardy Heron, during the install, hangs on the repo check, sound like it can't found it. I've pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and i'm able to reach the repo via ping (the network works fine). I saw it tries to reach a country local repo btw, any ideas ?
[09:44] <teamcobra> http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?a=54   > info on bad scripts
[09:44] <justin007827> cat: /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_safe: No such file or directory
[09:44] <justin007827> cat: /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_max: No such file or directory
[09:44] <justin007827> /home/justin/applesmc.sh: 230: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[09:44] <teamcobra> hrm.... 1 min
[09:44] <justin007827> thats what i got when i ran the script
[09:46] <teamcobra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook  < looks like anything you could need is there
[09:46] <teamcobra> including the fan fix ;)
[09:46] <justin007827> ok, i'll check it out again.
[09:47] <justin007827> sorry to make you dig around if it was there all along
[09:47] <teamcobra> or look at the macbook pro page if you have a pro
[09:47] <teamcobra> s'ok
[09:47] <jimiridge> in ubuntu i trust
[09:47] <justin007827> ya, the stuff should aply for both in most cases right? mins a few hardware things like video?
[09:48] <teamcobra> yup
[09:48] <Black_Magic> did you try the script with Root privs i mean Sudo?
[09:48] <jimiridge> figured out why i couldnt set my rtl8187 in monitor mode
[09:48] <teamcobra> and the pro wiki page is pretty nice
[09:48] <justin007827> no, i did not try with root
[09:48] <teamcobra> mmn, rtl8187
[09:48] <jimiridge> wrong module
[09:48] <jimiridge> r8187
[09:48]  * teamcobra hugs his alfa
[09:48] <justin007827> but, i am gunna check the page again first
[09:48] <jimiridge> not rtl8187
[09:48] <jimiridge> now its awesome
[09:49] <jimiridge> i can inject again ;)
[09:49] <teamcobra> jim: how many fps?
[09:49] <teamcobra> I'll admit, I haven't even speedtested my alfa in hardy yet
[09:50] <justin007827> what does the hdd temp daemon do?
[09:50] <jimiridge> i dont ever connect with mine
[09:50] <jimiridge> use the atheros for that ;)
[09:51] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Lol I can use Aircrack-ng and crack while i chat :P Gotta love Atheros
[09:51] <jimiridge> i made like 4 of these http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/11/wifi_range_extender_5_bars_for.html
[09:51] <jimiridge> ones on my alfa
[09:51] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Whats that do?
[09:51] <jimiridge> like instead of a 2.3dbi ducky <default on most hardware>
[09:51] <tanner> this is ludicrous, 780kbps on a usb2 device
[09:51] <jimiridge> turns it into lieka 7dbi
[09:52] <teamcobra> jim: wow, niiiiiice :D
[09:52] <jimiridge> i havent really run any tests to determine if i succeeded  but still i feel better
[09:53] <jimiridge> psychological range/speed boost
[09:53] <jimiridge> heh
[09:53] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Come to ##Black_Magic and explain it all to me :/ Please
[09:53] <jimiridge> also i left the inulation on it
[09:53] <justin007827> teamcobra: the macbook pro page suggests loading the applesmc module, but has no directions on how to download and install it
[09:53] <jimiridge> whats to explain?
[09:54] <justin007827> how do I download and install applesmc?
[09:54] <Black_Magic> lol i thought it was a Program First :/
[09:54] <justin007827> that is that script i already tried right?
[09:54] <teamcobra> sudo modprobe applesmc
[09:54] <teamcobra> in a console
[09:54] <teamcobra> do an lsmod
[09:54] <teamcobra> to see if it's already running
[09:55] <justin007827> good call, thanks
[09:55]  * ethana3 goes to bed
[09:56] <teamcobra> jimridge: what injection rates do you get with your rtl8187 in hardy?
[09:56] <justin007827> applesmc               21164  0
[09:56] <flowOver> i'm looking in my xorg.conf and there are two devices that have the nvidia driver.  "Configured Video Device" and "Videocard0"  is this common configuration?
[09:57] <teamcobra> ok, then it's running.... sudo modprobe coretemp
[09:57] <jimiridge> teamcobra, i can crack a wep key in min minutes
[09:57] <teamcobra> follow the cpu temp section, you might not have to manually set the fan speed
[09:57] <jimiridge> the only bottleneck is my typing
[09:58] <teamcobra> jim: 59s is my fastest w/ airoscript
[09:58] <teamcobra> can't remember the rate though
[09:58] <jimiridge> omg are you serious
[09:58] <jimiridge> thats low
[09:58] <hischild> jimiridge, how do you do it btw? i know it can be done ... but my card always fails
[09:58] <justin007827> ok, i'll check it out.
[09:58] <jimiridge> mines like 200-400
[09:58] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: I did it in 20s :P!!
[09:59] <jimiridge> i could do a quick test to double check the speed
[09:59] <teamcobra> justin: follow the cputemp settings and reboot, it should work for you
[09:59] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 21 :/
[09:59] <justin007827> sudo: modprob: command not found
[09:59] <hischild> justin007827, it's modprobE
[09:59] <justin007827> with coretemp
[09:59] <justin007827> ah
[09:59] <justin007827> hehe
[09:59] <justin007827> sorry, its early morning here
[09:59] <teamcobra> and also, you may want to sudo apt-get install hddtemp
[09:59] <hischild> np
[09:59] <teamcobra> as well
[09:59] <Black_Magic> isnt that that ln-sensors stuff?
[09:59] <justin007827> what does modprobe do?
[10:00] <Black_Magic> Probes a Module
[10:00] <teamcobra> loads modules (drivers)
[10:00] <hischild> justin007827, it loads a module into the kernel space
[10:00] <justin007827> got yasudo: modprob: command not found
[10:00] <justin007827> oops
[10:00] <teamcobra> hischild FTW ;)
[10:00] <justin007827> got ya, is what i ment
[10:00] <Black_Magic> Core 0:      +65.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C)
[10:00] <hischild> teamcobra, ?
[10:00] <Black_Magic> lol thats real hot >.>
[10:00] <teamcobra> his: shorthand for "For The Win!" ;)
[10:01] <hischild> i know
[10:01] <hischild> but ... why :P
[10:01] <hischild> Black_Magic, my gpu and cpu both run at that temp with a +- of 3
[10:01] <justin007827> coretemp                8448  0
[10:01] <Black_Magic> hischild:  a _- of 3?
[10:02] <tanner> ugh
[10:02] <tanner> 15 minutes for 1.5GiB
[10:02] <tanner> >.>
[10:02] <Black_Magic> Nice My Labtop is 149 Degrees Fahrenheit
[10:02] <hischild> Black_Magic, a variation above or below of 3 degree
[10:02] <Black_Magic> Ooh
[10:02] <Black_Magic> How you keep it that cool...
[10:03] <tanner> my laptop is running absurdly hot for not doing anything intensive according to top, 134F and 140F
[10:03] <teamcobra> hischild: I dunno, your answer was much more descriptive, and quick on the draw ;)
[10:03] <hischild> teamcobra, ah ok :-)
[10:03] <Black_Magic> i even have it on a book so the air can vent :/
[10:03] <justin007827> thanks, got that stuff all working
[10:03] <jimiridge> ok im almost ready to do my wepcrack test
[10:03] <teamcobra> justin: is it cooling off? ;)
[10:03]  * tanner in his tiredness say "book" and "air" and thought of the Macbook Air, and had a evil tingle
[10:04] <hischild> Black_Magic, dunno ... a zalman cooler tends to cool quite well
[10:04] <justin007827> ya, it is. i put it to fan speed 2 also
[10:04] <teamcobra> heh, I guess the macbook air got pwned @ cansecwest
[10:04] <Black_Magic> where can i get one...
[10:04] <hischild> and it cools both my cpu and gpu
[10:04] <justin007827> just for a bit
[10:04] <tanner> indeed it did
[10:04] <hischild> any hardware store ought to have one
[10:04] <Black_Magic> didnt macbook air get hacked in 2mins...?
[10:04] <justin007827> fan is really loud in manule though, ick
[10:04] <justin007827> manual*
[10:04] <hischild> jimiridge, can you help get that going? i've been looking into getting that working, but so far no luck
[10:05] <teamcobra> 2 mins into the 2nd day
[10:05] <teamcobra> so 24h +2 mins ;)
[10:05] <tanner> gladiator is a good movie :)
[10:05] <jimiridge> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=tutorial
[10:06] <teamcobra> justin: don't put it into manual mode
[10:06] <teamcobra> just set up the cpu temp and hdtemp stuff, and reboot
[10:07] <teamcobra> that way the fan is controlled by the cpu temp sensors
[10:07] <teamcobra> and is auto-adjusted
[10:07] <Lynoure> tanner: your absurdly hot 140F is less hot than the 65C mentioned above. Would not worry too much :)
[10:08] <Black_Magic> Lynoure: You know If its possible to control fan on Toshiba Labtops?
[10:09] <tanner> Lynoure: its about 10F or 6C too hot
[10:09] <tanner> well, more than usual anyway
[10:09] <Lynoure> Black_Magic: I don't use Toshiba currently, so if google did not help you, it might not help me any better
[10:10]  * tanner would never use anything other than a Thinkpad
[10:10] <justin007827> teamcobra: k, thanks
[10:10] <justin007827> brb
[10:11] <Lynoure> I'm quite happy with my HP, have been similarly happy with a thinkpad. :)
[10:11]  * nonix4 ponders... http download from cdimage.ubuntu.com: 100Mbps; bittorrent: 100kbps; jigdo: 30Mbps & fails to finish...
[10:12] <tanner> this is my second thinkpad t series (i'm thinking i would like to switch to an X series soon) and am very pleased with it, especially the return service ive had on my T40
[10:12] <hischild> jimiridge, am i out of luck if i'm using ndiswrapper for my wlan?
[10:13] <jimiridge> yup no inject for you
[10:13] <hischild> hm
[10:13] <jimiridge> what card?
[10:13] <hischild> atheros 5007 EG
[10:13] <tanner> eh
[10:13] <jimiridge> i have that card
[10:13] <tanner> atheros should be fully supported
[10:13] <jimiridge> it injects
[10:13] <Black_Magic> :P
[10:13] <hischild> it was misdetected as 5006EG
[10:13] <jimiridge> havent you seen my atheros posts on the ubuntu forums?
[10:13] <Black_Magic> Well some windows drivers allow Injection :/
[10:13] <hischild> i don't come often on the forums i'm afraid
[10:14] <jimiridge> lemmie find the posts
[10:14] <Black_Magic> I think err CommView For WIfi
[10:14] <hischild> thanks
[10:14] <jimiridge> pluss to make sure its the same i need you to find out the cards info from lspci
[10:15] <jimiridge> like device id
[10:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if I want to install a source package to see the source code, were do I find the actual source code files?
[10:16] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:16] <tanner> i believe in the directory you run the command from
[10:16] <dns53> apt-get source package?
[10:16] <Black_Magic> Just a test i want to make sure mines is what i think it is
[10:16] <jimiridge> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:16] <jimiridge> yup
[10:17] <jimiridge> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-503580.html
[10:17] <jimiridge> lol checkout the bottom post
[10:17] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  So mines a Atheros 5007?
[10:17] <jimiridge> yea
[10:17] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:17] <jimiridge> that driver should work
[10:17] <Black_Magic> WTF
[10:17] <Black_Magic> Lol :/
[10:18] <jimiridge> its also known as AR5BXB63
[10:18] <jimiridge> atheros EG is what windows calls it
[10:19] <justin007827> cores are 144 f and 136 f, lol
[10:19] <justin007827> that seems hot
[10:19] <kraft__> hi
[10:20] <kraft__> just upgraded to hardy and my lvm seems corupt
[10:20] <tanner> justin007827: i suppose not, mine are at 140 and 134
[10:20] <tanner> correction
[10:20] <tanner> 120 and 122
[10:20] <jimiridge> now let me get back to my aircrack alfa inject packets per sec
[10:20] <kraft__> any pointers on how to check the integrity?
[10:20] <justin007827> my hdd is 113
[10:20] <hischild> jimiridge, so using that driver it should work without ndiswrapper?
[10:23] <jimiridge> yup
[10:23] <tanner> hddtemp reports 95 here
[10:23] <hyperair> hello there. does anyone but me have an issue with seahorse importing a key from a keyserver?
[10:23] <hyperair> it just won't work
[10:23] <jimiridge> Black_Magic, you have this card aswell?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> the latest Stable?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Well i dont need Ndiswrapper mines works by default..
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Does that mean i have ABG Tooo?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Whoah that was some lag :/
[10:23] <Black_Magic> everything flew into my face...
[10:24] <Black_Magic> Uh OH!
[10:24] <Black_Magic> Your computers about to blow tanner
[10:24] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  Well i dont get why mines works by default :/
[10:24] <Black_Magic> i didnt have to patch or anything...
[10:24] <jimiridge> if it works with ubuntu's driver it isnt the same
[10:24] <jimiridge> 5k series
[10:24] <jimiridge> same as in the eeepc
[10:24] <tanner> Black_Magic: only through a series of key presses and an FBI raid
[10:25] <Black_Magic> I think mines Atheros 5006EG
[10:25] <jimiridge> 5007 is what we're talking about
[10:25] <jimiridge> "5007EG"
[10:25] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  i thought you Confirmed mines was the same as yours :/
[10:25] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:26] <jimiridge> oh
[10:27] <Black_Magic> im just notcing it says ABG :/
[10:27] <jimiridge> thats just cague i need like vender/device id
[10:27] <jimiridge> vague
[10:27] <Black_Magic> Oh How can i get that....
[10:27]  * tanner wishes 802.11n f*cking worked
[10:27] <Black_Magic> lol :/
[10:27] <david> goddamnit
[10:27] <Black_Magic> ABG is basically 802.11n
[10:27] <david> "#¤%
[10:27] <Black_Magic> just a lil slower i think
[10:27] <tanner> basically
[10:27] <david> I just found an IP I can't physically locate
[10:27] <tanner> however 11n can reach 300mbps
[10:28] <jimiridge> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679
[10:28] <Black_Magic> but what router can pipe that out....?
[10:28] <jimiridge> really?
[10:28] <justin007827> still working on virtual box. it says i need to add /dev/vboxdrv to the vboxusers groups. I remember doing something like this on my mythtv box, but forget how.
[10:28] <tanner> which would be enough for me to stream hi def content over a WPA encrypted WLAN
[10:28] <jimiridge> cause my stuff raches around that speed
[10:28] <david> typical draft-n speeds are 50ish mbps
[10:28] <tanner> justin007827: one sec
[10:28] <hischild> justin007827, you have to add yourself to the vboxusers group, and modprobe the vboxdrv
[10:28] <david> real-life use average that is
[10:29] <Black_Magic> >.>
[10:29] <Black_Magic> I may get a 802.11n Card
[10:29] <Black_Magic> does it work in Ubuntu?
[10:29] <tanner> justin007827: usermod -a -G vboxusers <other groups here, dont forget things like wheel, or admin>
[10:29] <david> I'm yet to read success stories Black_Magic, shout if you find ;)
[10:29] <justin007827> hischild, ok how do i add myself to a group?
[10:30] <hischild> justin007827, sudo adduser *youruser* vboxusers
[10:30] <Black_Magic> lol >.> I thought Ubuntu got some specs on the Driver for the 833xx cards?
[10:30] <justin007827> k
[10:30] <Black_Magic> arent 802.11n Broadcam?
[10:30] <tanner> my 11n is Intel :D
[10:31] <tanner> sadly 11n support is more "mature" in Windows, achieving greater throughput
[10:31] <Black_Magic> Thats because Apple Advertises running windows in Err Bootcamp :/
[10:32] <Black_Magic> Anything apple Advertises with will work with its hardware.../
[10:32] <Black_Magic> Then what Card is mine :/ ar242x
[10:33] <jimiridge> i dunno
[10:34] <jimiridge> but all atheros cards <most> can inject
[10:34] <tanner> i believe the only ones that cant have driver limitations
[10:35] <jimiridge> i'm just glad when my laptop arrived it had a sticker on the box stating the wifi card also its under my laptop
[10:35] <jimiridge> and that its an atheros
[10:35] <jimiridge> :)
[10:36] <justin007827> that worked, the live cd is booting up in vbox now
[10:36] <justin007827> will it have network access?
[10:36] <jimiridge> ok here goes im gonna crack my openwrt routers 104bit wep key
[10:36] <Black_Magic> Whoo Yay jimiridge A/B/G i dont think any AP uses A?
[10:37] <Black_Magic> Because usually i only see Ap's with B/G
[10:37] <tanner> jimiridge: hope you have other devices on your network
[10:37] <jimiridge> nope doing clientless
[10:37] <Black_Magic> lol clientless is acctually faster then client :/
[10:37] <tanner> hmm, well good luck, may take a while
[10:38] <Black_Magic> lol the most its taken me is about 5mins
[10:38] <tanner> unless you manage to get the injection thing working right
[10:38] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Test it without messing up internet.
[10:38] <jimiridge> 06:38:08  Association successful :-) (AID: 1)
[10:38] <Black_Magic> Make another VAP and use that
[10:38] <jimiridge> yay for fakeauth
[10:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[10:38] <Black_Magic> Why does Inject Rate go up and down?
[10:39] <jimiridge> inject time
[10:39] <Black_Magic> seriously sometimes it starts at like 1204pps then drops
[10:39] <Black_Magic> and drops all the way down to 50Pps
[10:40] <orvokki> Hmm, kinky. gedit seems to be broken.
[10:40] <orvokki> At least I managed to get it to dump core by running it without a file and then clicking open.
[10:41] <justin007827> hischild: gentoo live cd booted great in vbox ! hopefully it installs ok
[10:41] <jimiridge> 500pps
[10:41] <orvokki> bicyclist: Btw, could you lend me your xorg.conf? I could take a bit of comparing with mine to see that it's not some stupid mistake.
[10:41] <hischild> justin007827, good luck
[10:42] <justin007827> crap
[10:42] <justin007827> spoke to soon: failed to start xserver it says
[10:42] <jimiridge> though somethings wrong i only have 300IV's
[10:43] <jimiridge> ussually i would be done bynow with infinite iv's
[10:43] <justin007827> hischild: any idea what make my xserver not start in vbox?
[10:43] <hischild> justin007827, not really, sorry
[10:43] <vistakiller> k3b is copy dvd very very slow in gutsy was very fast
[10:44] <justin007827> x, i'll mess around
[10:44] <justin007827> k*
[10:45] <jimiridge> musta been a bad starting packet
[10:45] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  i get that sometimes tooo But i dont think you care
[10:45] <Black_Magic> You should of did Interactive
[10:47] <justin007827> bad starting packet?
[10:47] <bicyclist> orvokki: No problem
[10:48] <bicyclist> orvokki : Got it ?
[10:49] <orvokki> Apparently yes.
[10:49] <jimiridge> eh im gonna update svn
[10:49] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: SVN?
[10:49] <jimiridge> evidently there was a change to aireplay
[10:49] <Black_Magic> use the Dev
[10:50] <Black_Magic> i have a 1.0 Dev Beta2 Package i beileave made it with Checkinstall
[10:50] <amikrop> I want to receive a file from a cell phone with bluetooth. How can I do that?
[10:50] <amikrop> !nvidia
[10:50] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:51] <amikrop> !bluetooth
[10:51] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[10:57] <amikrop> It says that in my Dell LATITIDE Dxxx model I have to install bluetooth drivers under windows, so the linux module can work. I don't have windows, nor I want to install it. What can I do?
[11:02] <justin007827> hischild: it says it failed to load the Glcore module
[11:02] <jimiridge> bam got it
[11:02] <jimiridge> magic packet
[11:02] <justin007827> k, find it in synoptic?
[11:02] <jimiridge>  8569 data packets in like 2 sec
[11:03] <jimiridge> fricken routers wlan light is going nuts
[11:03] <jimiridge> 8000 IV's in seconds
[11:04] <jimiridge> 500pps inject rate isnt shaby when it works
[11:05] <jimiridge> 1KEY FOUND! [ 62:AE:F7:87:41:27:65:AF:E1:77:AA:BC:1E ]
[11:06] <jimiridge> love this card
[11:08] <justin007827> anyone know what the GLcore module is?
[11:09] <jimiridge> hischild,
[11:09] <jimiridge> ping
[11:09] <jimiridge> openGL graphics justin
[11:09] <justin007827> ok, i'll look it up, thanks.
[11:10] <jimiridge> X11 gl module
[11:10] <jimiridge> why having graphics issues?
[11:10] <hischild> jimiridge, what's up?
[11:10] <hischild> pong
[11:10] <jimiridge> hows your card doing?
[11:11] <hischild> it's ok, just fixed the module stuf
[11:11] <hischild> it's connected so i'm about to attempt the monitor stuff
[11:11] <jimiridge> not using ndis right?
[11:11] <hischild> not using ndis
[11:11] <hischild> i got the package from that link you gave, and compiled those
[11:11] <jimiridge> thank god whats funny if you search the ubuntu forums for "ndiscrapper" your'll find posts i've made
[11:12] <jimiridge> heh
[11:12] <hischild> then loaded those into the kernel after unloading the ndiswrapper ones
[11:12] <jimiridge> and it works? can see it in iwconfig?
[11:12] <hischild> yes so far it does
[11:12] <jimiridge> i use airmon-ng start atth0  to put it in monitor/inject mode
[11:13] <jimiridge> its either ath0 or wifi0
[11:13] <jimiridge> and you'll get two VAP's
[11:13] <hischild> wlan0 in my case
[11:13] <hischild> for some wierd reason
[11:13] <jimiridge> hm
[11:13] <hischild> oh wait
[11:13] <hischild> i also have wifi0, which is the parent of wlan0
[11:13] <jimiridge> yea
[11:14] <hischild> there, done it
[11:14] <hischild> i can't stop the wifi0 interface, but that's the interface i have to start
[11:14] <jimiridge> i dont ever realy use my atheros for injection esp when my alfa is right next to me
[11:15] <jimiridge> alfa 500mW !!
[11:15] <jimiridge> w00t
[11:15] <hischild> lol
[11:15] <jimiridge> ficken picks up AP's all over the place
[11:15] <hischild> i need it to get some wireless access at school ...
[11:15] <hischild> they gave me challenge =)
[11:15] <jimiridge> like my ath card will see half signal but my alfa see's full
[11:15] <hischild> hehe
[11:16] <hischild> i never had a problem with mine tbh
[11:16] <hischild> also, aireplay-ng -9 wifi0 fails with finding no ap's
[11:17] <jimiridge> thats really good for you... i feel good too i got someone to stop using ndis
[11:17] <hischild> lol
[11:17] <jimiridge> you used airmon?
[11:17] <hischild> yes
[11:17] <hischild> it's at monitor mode
[11:17] <hischild> checked @ iwconfig
[11:17] <jimiridge> did another wlan pop up?
[11:17] <justin007827> jimiridge: i don't see openGL in the repos. Is it a different name?
[11:17] <hischild> oh wait
[11:17] <jimiridge> use wlan1
[11:17] <hischild> ath0 popped up
[11:17] <jimiridge> aireplay --test wlan1
[11:17] <jimiridge> ath0^
[11:18] <hischild> it goes to aireplay-ng instead of aireplay ...
[11:18] <hischild> and it also fails
[11:18] <jimiridge> hm
[11:19] <jimiridge> madwifi-unload && modprobe ath_pci
[11:20] <jimiridge> airmon-ng start wifi0 ; aireplay-ng --test $DEV
[11:20] <jimiridge> should work
[11:20] <jimiridge> maybe that ndiscrap is still latent
[11:20] <hischild> lsmod shows no sign of it
[11:20] <hischild> unloading/reloading them has no effect
[11:20] <jimiridge> could always reboot i guess who knows what you did when you installed ndis
[11:21] <hischild> good point ...
[11:21] <hischild> sec while i blacklist it first =)
[11:21] <jimiridge> adding certian module parameters
[11:21] <hischild> hmm?
[11:22] <jimiridge> /etc/modules
[11:22] <jimiridge> /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[11:23] <jimiridge> might help to hash out a few things
[11:23] <hischild> k sec
[11:24] <jimiridge> i'd dick with my ath but its the card im currently connected with
[11:26] <AnAnt> Hello, why does latest update have firefox-2 ?
[11:26] <AnAnt> isn't it wierd to have 2 firefox versions ?
[11:27] <jimiridge> couldnt hut
[11:27] <jimiridge> hurt*
[11:28] <jimiridge> i dunno about you but i still only have 1 version
[11:28] <jimiridge> and i'm pretty up to date with every repo
[11:30] <justin007827> any hints on openGL?
[11:30] <jimiridge> glx
[11:31] <justin007827> thanks
[11:31] <jimiridge> libgl1-mesa-glx  stuff like that
[11:31] <justin007827> i saw that one, but wasnt sure
[11:31] <jimiridge> actually thats the only glx pkg i have installed
[11:31] <jimiridge> (when aptitude searching glx)
[11:32] <justin007827> ok
[11:32] <justin007827> how do you search with aptitute?
[11:33] <justin007827> just the syntax is cool
[11:33] <jimiridge> aptitude search pkgname
[11:34] <jimiridge> aptitude --help
[11:35] <justin007827> sweet, thanks, i havn't used that package manager much. that is a package manager , right?
[11:36] <jimiridge> yup
[11:36] <elbermungsterses> if hardy stable comes out and i am running hardy beta, to upgrade all i need to do is click "reload" in the update manager and "new release" will appear?
[11:36] <justin007827> what is different between that and apt-get?
[11:37] <jimiridge> i'm under the impression that "aptitude" is just a front end to apt-get and dpkg
[11:37] <elbermungsterses> or is it more complicated?
[11:38] <jimiridge> like you cant use kd3 without cdrecord/cdrdao
[11:38] <justin007827> is dpkg debian packages or something?
[11:38] <jimiridge> man aptitude
[11:38] <jimiridge> aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager
[11:38] <jimiridge> so i think i'm correct
[11:39] <justin007827> k, sorry to ask so many questions. I read stuff online all the time, but this is the first time I have used the irc chat
[11:40] <hischild> elbermungsterses, no, it'll be updated by itself. It's not a new release, it's just that the updates are stable.
[11:40] <hischild> justin007827, asking questions is ok, as long as you listen
[11:40] <justin007827> k, thanks
[11:40] <elbermungsterses> can you explain it simpler please, hischild?
[11:40] <hischild> jimiridge, from what i've read, aptitude has a better dependency calculation and removes orphaned packages automatically
[11:41] <justin007827> ahh, cool
[11:41] <hischild> elbermungsterses, you don't have to do anything special to get the stable. It will be nothing more then a label on Hardy that it's stable
[11:41] <elbermungsterses> okay, thanks, hischild.
[11:42] <hischild> jimiridge, i blacklisted ndiswrapper and it just loaded again ... =,=
[11:43] <jimiridge> no kidding?
[11:43] <jimiridge> heh might have to purge it
[11:43] <hischild> hmm yes
[11:43] <jimiridge> still wonder why i think ndiswrapper is lame?
[11:44] <hischild> using windows crap for linux is never good
[11:44] <kane77> how does the powernowd work in hardy?
[11:44] <hischild> it auto adjusts cpu speed according to load
[11:44] <hischild> works like a charm
[11:45] <hischild> or isn't that what you wanted to know kane77
[11:45] <kane77> hischild, well I know it _should_ scale cpu, but it doesn't in hardy
[11:45] <hischild> can you pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo for me then?
[11:46] <joakim-> strange... just found out why the numpad didnt work for me after upgrading to hardy, the numpad had been enabled for some strange reason as to control the mouse instead
[11:47] <kane77> hischild, http://pastie.caboo.se/172405
[11:47] <joakim-> better see if that is in launchpad as a bug
[11:47] <kane77> joakim-, press ctrl+shift+num lock
[11:48] <joakim-> kane77, thing is it had been enabled after upgrading
[11:48] <joakim-> hadnt enabled it, i swear
[11:48] <kane77> joakim-, I can confirm that
[11:48] <joakim-> ah, so its known?
[11:49] <hischild> kane77, doesn't show it can do stepping
[11:49] <kane77> but when I run sudo powernowd it gives me this: powernowd:   cpu0: 1000Mhz - 2400Mhz (5 steps)
[11:49] <kane77> and it worked in gutsy
[11:50] <iositd> http://pastebin.com/f668fd3ca
[11:50] <hischild> ^ shows stepping ... that's what i meant
[11:50] <hischild> uhm ... what's the setting of powernowd then?
[11:52] <kane77> hmm could it be that last night I ran upgrade and before that I disabled powernowd (just to do more of boinc tasks over night)
[11:53] <hischild> anything is possible ...
[11:53] <justin007827> i tried to install xserver-xgl  and when i rebooted I got the Gnome settings daemon error.
[11:53] <justin007827> lol, same prob I had on the other computer
[11:54] <jimiridge> driver issue?
[11:54] <jimiridge> what card is it
[11:54] <justin007827> hold on
[11:54] <justin007827> its on the mother board
[11:54] <jimiridge> chipset
[11:54] <justin007827> p5pe-vm
[11:54] <justin007827> hmmm, i duno
[11:55] <jimiridge> heh
[11:55] <justin007827> how do i check?
[11:55] <jimiridge> lshw
[11:55] <justin007827> k, let me ssh into that comp
[11:55] <david> I wonder why screen and resolution moved to the applications menu :B
[11:56] <jimiridge> lshw is neat i posted my lshw on my webpage http://hst.ath.cx/~james/acer4315.html
[11:56] <jimiridge> lshw -html ;)
[11:56] <justin007827> cool
[11:57] <justin007827> nice
[11:57] <justin007827> i like it
[11:58] <justin007827>              description: VGA compatible controller
[11:58] <justin007827>              product: 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
[11:58] <justin007827>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[11:58] <justin007827>              physical id: 2
[11:58] <justin007827>              bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[11:58] <justin007827>              version: 02
[11:58] <justin007827>              width: 32 bits
[11:58] <justin007827>              clock: 33MHz
[11:58] <justin007827>              capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
[11:58] <justin007827>              configuration: latency=0
[11:58] <justin007827> is that it?
[11:58] <jimiridge> also find your graphics card via `lspci "grep VGA `
[11:58] <jimiridge> lspci |grep VGA
[11:59] <jimiridge> intel i have that on this laptop
[11:59] <justin007827> hmm, i wonder why virtualbox is tripping out? it should have loaded all the right graphics drivers right?
[12:00] <_KAMI_> Hi! do you have problem with java under AMD_64 platform on 8.04?
[12:00] <jimiridge> justin you trying to run a graphics intense program in virtualbox?
[12:00] <justin007827> i was trying to load gentoo live cd
[12:01] <nonix4> _KAMI_: with or without a browser involved?
[12:01] <justin007827> do i need to get a graphics card?
[12:01] <jimiridge> i'm none too sure, dunno if it can even take hold of the hosts VGA
[12:02] <jimiridge> might need to read up on their forum
[12:02] <teamcobra> vbox can do vga, no 3d
[12:02] <_KAMI_> nonix4: I have problem with browser
[12:02] <hischild> jimiridge, i've gotten rid of almost every part of ndiswrapper ... yet it still is no luck on monitor :(
[12:02] <_KAMI_> but I not tried without browser
[12:02] <teamcobra> and svga, does 1280x800 fine on this machine
[12:02] <teamcobra> but you have to install the guest additions to get high res
[12:02] <teamcobra> hahah, yeah, xgl isn't gonna work
[12:03] <afd_> hi! Anyone else having problems with kubuntu hardy + firefox 3.0 beta 4: invisible selection in radio & checkboxes?
[12:03] <teamcobra> sorry to burst the bubble... unless you manually install vmgl, no eay
[12:03] <teamcobra> way
[12:03] <justin007827> ok, yea, xgl kin really slownda makes my computer ru
[12:03] <teamcobra> cause it's pegging the cpu and doing it all in software
[12:03] <justin007827> i'm down to manually install it
[12:04] <jimiridge> hischild, might be the wrong driver?
[12:04] <teamcobra> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
[12:04] <nonix4> _KAMI_: which java implementation does about:plugins list if any?
[12:04] <hischild> jimiridge, no it goes into monitor mode ... and when using managed mode it just accesses internet and connects jus tfine
[12:05] <justin007827> thanks cobra
[12:06] <jimiridge> so whats wrong with monitor mode?
[12:06] <justin007827> teamcobra: should i install VMware quests first?
[12:06] <justin007827> guests*
[12:06] <teamcobra> vmware?? I thought you were using virtualbox
[12:06] <jimiridge> have you tested it with kismet hischild
[12:07] <justin007827> oh, it will work in virtualbox too?
[12:07] <kane77> hischild, now I get it... I have boinc running so the cpu load is at 100% however the boinc process has nice of 19 which should let cpu speed lower...
[12:07] <teamcobra> it might work in vmware, but no idea
[12:07] <teamcobra> yeah
[12:07] <kane77> but somehow it doesn't
[12:07] <justin007827> cool, sorry
[12:07] <hischild> kane77, powernowd only lowers when the cpu usage goes below 20 ...
[12:07] <hischild> jimiridge, uhhh ... what? i'm kind of new to all this
[12:08] <kane77> hischild, but in gutsy it lowered even if it was higher but the nice value was high
[12:08] <teamcobra> np
[12:08] <jimiridge> aptituded install kismet
[12:08] <hischild> kane77, then lower the min value
[12:08] <Peaker> Hey, why does Hardy no longer let you type a URL in the alt-f2 run box?
[12:08] <_KAMI_> nonix4: I tried with IcedTee
[12:08] <jimiridge> mine works peaker
[12:08] <Peaker> jimiridge, I mean without a "http://" prefix
[12:08] <justin007827> whats my "guest domain"?
[12:09] <Peaker> I used to be able to do alt-<f2>, "slashdot.org", <enter>, and that would work
[12:09] <teamcobra> justin: that's xen-specific
[12:09] <jimiridge> well maybe that wasnt best for the overall system
[12:10] <justin007827> how do I figure it out?
[12:10] <hischild> jimiridge, i know how to install it ... i was referring to usage
[12:10] <jimiridge> edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[12:10] <hischild> k
[12:11] <jimiridge> change source to source=madwifi-ng,wifi0,Atheros   or lemmie look
[12:11] <justin007827> "Copy the source into your guest (VM or domain)"
[12:11] <justin007827> i don't undertsand where that is
[12:11] <teamcobra> inside the guest = VM
[12:12] <hischild> jimiridge, sourcetype, interface, name ... edited to what you wrote
[12:12] <jimiridge>  source=madwifi_bg,ath0,madwifi  or source=madwifi_ag,ath0,madwifi
[12:12] <jimiridge> ok just fire it up then
[12:13] <hischild> wait, which one of the 3 should i use now :P
[12:13] <jimiridge> whatever works
[12:13] <hischild> k
[12:13] <jimiridge> try em all
[12:13] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having problem with auto completion in hardy
[12:13] <amikrop> About bluetooth on Dell Latitude D800, obviously the Windows drivers affect the BIOS and enable onboard bluetooth.
[12:13] <jimiridge> i think i got mine to work with source=madwifi_bg,ath0,madwifi
[12:14] <jimiridge> might need to change the device too
[12:14] <amikrop> There must be some way to enable it through Ubuntu.
[12:14] <hischild> jimiridge, so far no luck ... doesn't kno wthe madwifi_bg ... attempting _ag
[12:14] <amikrop> Maybe the linux bluetooth driver developers should contact Dell.
[12:14] <jimiridge> try bg
[12:14] <hischild> profit
[12:14] <hischild> with _ag
[12:15] <jimiridge> amikrop,
[12:15] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, still no workie. Btw, EnvyNG gives me some errors in manual install mode.
[12:15] <amikrop> jimiridge: sorry?
[12:15] <jimiridge> is their a bluetooth thing in /proc somewhere?
[12:15] <jimiridge> like  echo "1" > /proc/acpi/bluetooth
[12:16] <jimiridge> hischild, bg
[12:16] <amikrop> no, there is not
[12:16] <unop> jaffarkelshac, what does this return?  ls -l /etc/bash_completion
[12:16] <jimiridge> onboard?
[12:16] <hischild> jimiridge, ag works, bg fails
[12:16] <jimiridge> oh cool great
[12:17] <jaffarkelshac> unop, no file or directory
[12:17] <jimiridge> ng didnt work? hischild
[12:17] <Peaker> keyboard layout switching seems broken, I have it set to both alts and with gutsy it worked, and with hardy it doesn't
[12:17] <orvokki> Errr... Apparently there are no headers for the kernel that got installed for me.
[12:17] <orvokki> *Interesting*. Lemme reboot.
[12:17] <hischild> jimiridge, negative
[12:18] <unop> jaffarkelshac, try installing the bash-completion package -- sudo aptitude install bash-completion
[12:18] <jimiridge> didnt work or you didnt try it?
[12:18] <hischild> jimiridge, didnt' work. Keeps complaining about unknown source type
[12:18] <jimiridge> oh
[12:19] <jimiridge> but hey you can see a bunch of AP's right?
[12:19] <hischild> i'm afraid not
[12:19] <teamcobra> night all
[12:19] <jaffarkelshac> unop, i will try that, i am currently using update manager.
[12:19] <unop> jaffarkelshac, ok
[12:19] <jimiridge> change dev
[12:19] <amikrop> jimiridge: So, the according developers should consider the fact enabling the onboard bluetooth.
[12:19] <jimiridge> ath0 wlan0 wifi0
[12:19] <amikrop> Like the win32 drivers seem to do.
[12:20] <hischild> jimiridge, shouldn't it disconnect as soon as i fire up kismet?
[12:20] <jimiridge> maybe you need to enable it? amikrop
[12:20] <amikrop> jimiridge: I checked BIOS. I can't do it manually from there.
[12:20] <anaoum> how can i change the console login text "Ubuntu hardy (development branch) none tty1"
[12:20] <jimiridge> if you want people to do all the work for ya linux might not be the optimal choice
[12:21] <amikrop> jimiridge: It just says "Onboard Bluetooth: Disabled".
[12:21] <jimiridge> what says that
[12:21] <amikrop> The BIOS.
[12:21] <jimiridge> then chamge it
[12:21] <amikrop> I can't.
[12:21] <amikrop> There is no such option.
[12:21] <jimiridge> bios is proprietary so i cant help ya either
[12:21] <justin007827> teamcobra: i'm sorry, but i can't figure out where on my file system i am suposed to "Copy the source into your guest (VM or domain) and host (dom0, kernel hosting VMware, etc..)"
[12:22] <amikrop> jimiridge: That's why I said the ubuntu bluetooth driver devels should contact dell.
[12:22] <jimiridge> if windows can enable it..
[12:22] <jimiridge> there prolly might be a procfs location for it
[12:23] <m1r> it sounds unbelivable that windows can enable device from bios and linux cant
[12:23] <m1r> try flashing your bios =best result ;)
[12:23] <jimiridge> no
[12:24] <jimiridge> like my wifi gets enabled though acpi
[12:24] <amikrop> jimiridge: So, the ubuntu driver devels should fix the drivers to check if bluetooth is disabled, and if disabled, to enable it. Don't you find it reasonable?
[12:24] <justin007827> where does virtualbox install itself too?
[12:25] <anaoum> justin007827: it has a capital V - so start typing that in the terminal and hit tab
[12:25] <justin007827> k
[12:25] <Prefix> where the system monitor gone in hardy? :P
[12:25] <Prefix> wheres*
[12:26] <jimiridge> justin007827, "whereis virtualbox"
[12:26] <hischild> Prefix, apps -> system tools
[12:26] <Prefix> ahh, cheers hischild
[12:26] <hischild> yw
[12:27] <justin007827> justin@Mini-Pimp:~$ whereis virtualbox
[12:27] <justin007827> virtualbox:
[12:27] <jimiridge> but atleast the card connects right hischild ? then i leave the rest upto you read up on atheros crap
[12:28] <hischild> jimiridge, yes it does. ... well i'll figure it out sometime
[12:28] <hischild> justin007827, :::
[12:28] <hischild> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS
[12:28] <hischild> uh
[12:28] <justin007827> oops
[12:28] <hischild> iositd@goth:~$ whereis virtualbox
[12:28] <hischild> virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[12:28] <justin007827> sorry
[12:28] <jimiridge> it can be finiky
[12:28] <hischild> that one
[12:28] <justin007827> wrong terminal
[12:29] <jimiridge> tricky as heck thats why i use my simple stupid rtl8187  for sniffing injecting etc
[12:29] <Dimitree> guys if i install 8.04 and there a still bugs and stuff ... will these bugs get fixed with the autoupdate thing or when the final version is out i will have to reinstall everything ?
[12:29] <jimiridge> no multipl vaps etc
[12:29] <anaoum> how can i change the console login text "Ubuntu hardy (development branch) none tty1"
[12:29] <hischild> jimiridge, you make it sound like fun
[12:30] <void^> anaoum: /etc/issue
[12:31] <Dimitree> ?
[12:31] <jimiridge> eh for christ sake remind me to rip out the wifi on/off button acer put on my laptop (right near left Ctrl and Shift nodoubt
[12:32] <hischild> lol .. i will
[12:32] <jimiridge> fricken morons no nothing about ergonomics
[12:32] <jimiridge> know*
[12:32] <Dimitree> guys if i install 8.04 and there a still bugs and stuff ... will these bugs get fixed with the autoupdate thing or when the final version is out i will have to reinstall everything ?
[12:33] <jimiridge> bugreport
[12:33] <jrib> !final | Dimitree
[12:33] <ubotu> Dimitree: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[12:34] <gluer> dimitree: when release is out im definitely doing a fresh install
[12:34] <gluer> i dont like upgrades
[12:34] <gluer> :-)
[12:34] <Dimitree> - ) thanks
[12:34] <m1r> install windows gluer
[12:34] <gluer> lol
[12:34] <gluer> i did once, i ran an upgrade from 98 to xp
[12:35] <Hobbsee> emma: btw, discussions about how kubuntu should be renamed really *aren't* appropriate for here.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> emma: #ubuntu-marketing, perhaps, or their mailing list.
[12:35] <Dimitree> i'm having problems with my integrated GMA 3100 GPU and someone told me that this model will run ok on 8.04 but it is not supported on 7.10
[12:35] <m1r> woman , when they want you all is ok , when they have u , they wanna change you , no offence emma ;)
[12:36] <jimiridge> Dimitree, thats an intel chip aint it?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> m1r: ?
[12:36] <jimiridge> i have that and it works great
[12:36] <m1r> bad joke Hobbsee :)
[12:36] <Dimitree> however i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and i still have the same problems ( even wors now i dont have Monitor type in Xorg and i can't reconfigure xorg)
[12:36] <Dimitree> jimiridge, yes
[12:36] <jimiridge> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[12:37] <Dimitree> could it be because of the upgrade ?
[12:37] <emma> Hobbsee,  you are really going back to things I said briefly yesterday to find a reason to scold me publicly?
[12:37] <justin007827> virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/lib64/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[12:37] <jimiridge> works fine but still some graphics artifacts (glitches) when running intense games/graphics but most works
[12:37] <Dimitree> should i do a fresh 8.04 install ?
[12:37] <jimiridge> compiz runs
[12:37] <justin007827> any idea which of those is where i am suposed to make copy the tarball
[12:37] <justin007827> ?
[12:37] <jimiridge> go fo it just backup your /home
[12:37] <Dimitree> hmm cool ok :)
[12:38] <jimiridge> hell just do a dist upgrade
[12:38] <jimiridge> no cdburning involved
[12:38] <jimiridge> its like a fresh install only home stays
[12:38] <jimiridge> get a fresh new kernel
[12:38] <jimiridge> ;)
[12:39] <Dimitree> jimiridge, that's what i did and now i can't reconfigure xorg :) it simply skips Driver selection and monitor selection
[12:39] <Dimitree> i mean i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04
[12:39] <jimiridge> dpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:40] <Dimitree> command not found ?
[12:40] <jimiridge> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:40] <Dimitree> i think i used something like that but it doesnt work :/
[12:40] <jimiridge> ya need the "k"
[12:40] <justin007827> you still around teamcobra?
[12:41] <jimiridge> reminds me of a time when i told someone they had to umount a drive and he kept saying "unmount not found"
[12:41] <Dimitree> no... i mean that it skips directly to Keyboard Layout configuration after the framebuffer page
[12:41] <jimiridge> UGH!
[12:41] <tanner> erm, what a waste of time
[12:41] <tanner> i got stood up at 5am >.>
[12:41] <jimiridge> i find that dificult to believe
[12:42] <jimiridge> you could gimmie a reverse shell and i could do it for you
[12:42] <Dimitree> i can't select Intel as GPU like i could in 7.10 and can't select amount of memmorry to use and cant select mointor type :) it skips directly to keyboard
[12:42] <romulo> hi, what kernel is hardy using? any debugger compiled options? thanks =]
[12:42] <jimiridge> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:42] <tanner> 2.6.24 series
[12:42] <amikrop> So, the problem is that bluetooth is disabled in BIOS, and I have to find a way to enable it. Is there any program that can do so?
[12:43] <tanner> amikrop: unlikely, youll have to enable it in bios
[12:43] <jimiridge> would help to know the laptop model amikrop
[12:43] <Dimitree> jimiridge,  everything is "Configured Video Device" or configured Monitor device :) lol
[12:43] <amikrop> tanner: I know, but how?
[12:43] <tanner> amikrop: need to look through the configuration options
[12:44] <jimiridge> goto section device
[12:44] <amikrop> jimiridge: Dell LATITUDE D800
[12:44] <justin007827> i'm trying to install VMGL (formerly Xen-GL). i did whereis and found that virtual box has files in the folowing directories: virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/lib64/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[12:44] <justin007827> . Now I am trying to decide which folder to copy the tarball into
[12:44] <Dimitree> Section "Device"      Identifier      "Configured Video Device" thats all in there
[12:44] <amikrop> tanner: I tried, but it can't be enabled manually through the BIOS menu.
[12:44] <justin007827> i'm following these directions: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
[12:45] <jimiridge> Dimitree, driver = intel    VideoRam = whatever
[12:45] <justin007827> anyone have some advice?
[12:45] <tanner> amikrop: consult your user manual and/or call dell.
[12:45] <Milos_SD> Today I had a total freez as I had it on Gutsy ... From Alpha 5 when I did the upgrade I didn't had that freez, but today ... :(
[12:45] <Milos_SD> Can that be of xserver-video-nv update?
[12:46] <amikrop> tanner: But the Windows Dell Bluetooth Drivers can enable onboard bluetooth.
[12:46] <amikrop> tanner: Shouldn't the linux ones do as well?
[12:46] <jimiridge> amikrop,  what about the  (Fn-F2)  key?
[12:46] <tanner> amikrop: thats because the people that wrote those drivers had direct access to hardware specifications :)
[12:47] <tanner> or a hardwired function key, Fn+F5 on my thinkpad
[12:47] <jimiridge> amikrop, then lsusb
[12:47] <jimiridge> cause im reading something that says that laptops bluetooth is on the usb bus
[12:47] <tanner> all bluetooth is as i recall
[12:47] <jimiridge> u enable it with the function key
[12:48] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, envy isn't supposed to generate an error code 512 like here, right? http://nanonyme.kapsi.fi/envy-installer.log
[12:48] <jimiridge> i wouldnt really know cause my laptop doesnt have it
[12:48] <hischild> envy in general is unsupported .... why use it?
[12:48] <setuid> Can someone help me with this?
[12:48] <setuid> swapon: cannot canonicalize /dev/disk/by-uuid/9cc23c07-9af6-4db9-a7ad-c0d800625cf4: No such file or directory
[12:48] <setuid> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/9cc23c07-9af6-4db9-a7ad-c0d800625cf4: No such file or directory
[12:48] <amikrop> jimiridge: It is about WIFI (and it works).
[12:49] <jimiridge> see bluetooth in lsusb?
[12:49] <amikrop> tanner: Why not the Ubuntu people have direct acces to the hardware specifications?
[12:49] <jimiridge> proprietary
[12:49] <tanner> amikrop: most companies do not provide such information freely
[12:49] <jimiridge> atleast without a fight
[12:49] <amikrop> jimiridge: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61456/
[12:49] <tanner> also, sometimes its due to regulations in the governing country
[12:49] <setuid> n/m, Ubuntu got the uuid wrong. Silly thing.
[12:49] <Dimitree> jimiridge, btw did you do a fresh 8.04 install ? or over 7.10 ?
[12:49] <Lynoure> amikrop: you can ask the company that makes the hardware that. Actually, recommended to do so.
[12:50] <amikrop> Lynoure: The linux driver developers should do so, I think.
[12:50] <Lynoure> amikrop: both.
[12:50] <jimiridge> i used the alternative hardy installer cause it had support for installing encrypted rooot
[12:50] <Dimitree> ok thanks :)
[12:50] <Lynoure> amikrop: End users asking can help the companies realize that the end users care about this.
[12:50] <amikrop> So, the problem is how to enable bluetooth.
[12:51] <orvokki> bicyclist: Would that imply I have a dependency problem in my system?
[12:51] <setuid> bluetooth works great on my Thinkpad
[12:51] <tanner> amikrop: if you are unable to enable it in bios (odd, call DELL!) and there is no function key to enable it, then you really should call dell and bitch until you get it figured out
[12:51] <amikrop> Lynoure: Maybe they will tell me "download the win32 drivers from our website".
[12:51] <HardyOne> is there an app I can install to help me "find" wireless connections? like the one in house for instance
[12:52] <tanner> HardyOne: iwlist wlan0 scan
[12:52] <tanner> ;)
[12:52] <tanner> although that doesnt work great on my intel drivers lately :-\
[12:52] <amikrop> tanner: But isn't there a linux program that can handle this?
[12:52] <Dimitree> amikrop are you running BIOS in admin mode ?
[12:52] <Lynoure> amikrop: maybe, probably, but it thousands of people would write or call, I bet they would start noticing
[12:52] <amikrop> Lynoure: :-)
[12:52] <setuid> Does anyone know if there's a way to get rid of the useless and non-functional "NetworkManager", and get networking to start normally at boot time, like it did in Gutsy?
[12:52] <HardyOne> tanner, Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:52] <tanner> amikrop: again, not likely.
[12:52] <savvas> HardyOne: wifi-radar
[12:52] <orvokki> Lynoure: Either that or redirect the mail account to /dev/null.
[12:53] <tanner> HardyOne: substitue wlan0 for whatever your card interface is
[12:53] <amikrop> Dimitree: I don't know. I run BIOS in the mode in which I was able to enable/disable WiFi from there.
[12:53] <setuid> I have to start networking manually with shell scripts, because it doesn't start on boot, and NetworkManager does _absolutely nothing_
[12:53] <Lynoure> I personally vote with my wallet...
[12:53] <amikrop> tanner: :-/
[12:53] <jimiridge> amikrop, sudo hciconfig hci0 reset
[12:53] <HardyOne> tanner, that would make sense
[12:53] <HardyOne> savvas, ty
[12:53] <tanner> amikrop: again, this issue seems mostly on your end more so than the drivers
[12:53] <savvas> no problemo
[12:54] <amikrop> $ sudo hciconfig hci0 reset
[12:54] <amikrop> Can't get device info: No such device
[12:54]  * tanner recalls something about direct access to the BIOS being rather... "iffy" 
[12:54] <danbee> hi guys, trying to install ubuntu 8.04 amd64, i'm getting "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed." at 94%
[12:55] <danbee> had the same problem with gutsy too
[12:55] <tanner> amikrop: that command is only going to work AFTER you have your bluetooth device enabled
[12:55] <savvas> danbee: do you have a sata drive?
[12:55] <amikrop> tanner: yes, but how? ;_
[12:55] <danbee> savvas: yes, 3 of them
[12:55] <danbee> ubuntu is install on the first partition of the third drive (/dev/sdc1)
[12:55] <Dimitree> i have sata too O_O
[12:56] <Dimitree> i hope it doesn't crush on me too
[12:57] <HardyOne> !ping
[12:57] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[12:58] <savvas> danbee: report a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - the package is ubiquity, explain them what you do with the output of the following commands: 1) ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ 2) lspci -nnv 3) lsusb -v
[12:58] <tanner> amikrop: call dell.
[12:58] <HardyOne> lmao @ ubotu
[12:58] <KrimZon> i'm still having trouble with the -12 kernels, my geforce 8400m isnt showing up and it just defaults to a really low resolution
[12:58] <savvas> Dimitree: I have a sata too, i was just curious :) it works here
[12:58] <Dimitree> oh ok :)
[12:59] <Dimitree> damn i hate firefox >_>
[12:59] <savvas> KrimZon: can't set it up using screens and graphics from gnome?
[12:59] <Aondo> Dimitree  then change it :D
[12:59] <danbee> savvas: i have also tried installing grub manually by mounting the new ubuntu partition and typing 'grub-install --root-directory=/media/ubuntu /dev/sda'
[12:59] <Dimitree> it says downloading with 1.1mb/s ye it stays at 9 minutes for so long
[12:59] <danbee> and i get the following error 'The file /media/ubuntu/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.'
[12:59] <amikrop> tanner: I (theoretically an end-user) will call DELL. But isn't it right the Ubuntu DELL Bluetooth Driver Developers to call DELL, too?
[12:59] <tanner> KrimZon: thats because its reverting back to the VESA driver (most likely), if your card is supported by the nvidia binary i recommend you install that
[12:59] <Dimitree> right ... Opera ftw
[13:00] <tanner> amikrop: no, the issue is not your drivers, its you and your ability to configure your bios.
[13:00] <amikrop> tanner: So, no end-user will have a DELL Bluetooth problem again, and he will not need to call DELL.
[13:00] <savvas> danbee: provide them with everything you think it has to be said :) but be brief and have a short description :)
[13:00] <amikrop> tanner: But the drivers should configure the BIOS.
[13:00] <vistakiller> in hardy when i try to copy dvd with k3b the programme is crashing
[13:00] <jimiridge> amikrop, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2308248
[13:00] <KrimZon> tanner: do they have a different one of those for each kernel?
[13:01] <tanner> amikrop: i'll make you a deal, you go ahead and get Dell to send us all the required information regarding enabling the BIOS subset features from inside a protected mode operating system and ill implement them
[13:01] <KrimZon> because it works fine with -11-generic, but -12-rt and -12-generic give me a lot of trouble
[13:01] <amikrop> Dimitree: How can I run the BIOS in "admin mode"?
[13:01] <vistakiller> the strange is that k3b crash but is finished the job
[13:01] <danbee> savvas: thanks, i will do that
[13:01] <Dimitree> amikrop, go to your motherboard manufacturer and search for BIOS information
[13:02] <savvas> KrimZon: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic | grep Installed
[13:02] <amikrop> tanner: The win32 devels got Dell to send them the required information. I think the Ubuntu ones should do the same.
[13:02] <amikrop> And not set an end-user to do so.
[13:02] <tanner> amikrop: you do realize the developers of their windows drivers were hired by DELL and given all the required information by DELL right?
[13:02] <jimiridge> amikrop, do you have/had vista on that laptop?
[13:03] <tanner> and you realize that DELL does not offically in any way help the development of drivers in free and open operating systems
[13:03] <DASPRiD> How many days left to official hardy release?
[13:03] <danbee> savvas: Launchpad says 'ubiquity does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.'
[13:03] <danbee> i'll post something on the forum
[13:03] <savvas> DASPRiD: 30, maybe 60
[13:04] <unop> tanner, well, let's hope they can start using some leverage to get hardware manufacturers to start contributing to supporting their products on linux
[13:04] <savvas> danbee: better ask #ubuntu-bugs - they're the experts :)
[13:04] <theron> what is the proper way to disable ipv6 in heron?  My connections to my router are horrific, NM says I've got a decent connection, another distro same laptop pulls test files from my router @ over 200K, while heron pulls the files @ 10K then slows down to 1000 or so B, then dies after a few min.
[13:04] <jimiridge> what i'm readin is that vista uploads a special firmware to the bluetooth and bluez cat recognize it
[13:04] <tanner> more so, if an end user such as yourself is having issues with your hardware unrelated to the software, you should call the manufacturer, as we are unable to magically resolve your problems without direct access to either the hardware or the specifications used to create the hardware
[13:04] <amikrop> jimiridge: Had XP.
[13:04] <theron> I'm guessing it's ipv6 however I'm not sure..
[13:04] <tanner> unop: it would be nice, although unlikely.
[13:05] <amikrop> tanner: But since DELL provides laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed, I can't find a reason why it would deny the required information.
[13:05] <setuid> Does anyone know if there's a way to get rid of the useless and non-functional "NetworkManager", and get networking to start normally at boot time, like it did in Gutsy?
[13:05] <setuid> I have to start networking manually with shell scripts, because it doesn't start on boot, and NetworkManager does _absolutely nothing_
[13:05] <justin007827> what is the syntax to move a file to a directory, I must be typing something wrong.
[13:05] <KrimZon> savvas: aha, i have those installed already
[13:05] <savvas> KrimZon: i wanted the versions :)
[13:05] <justin007827> or copy
[13:05] <amikrop> tanner: I can't find a reason why DELL would like their Ubuntu laptops not to be fully functional.
[13:05] <jimiridge> maybe someone should call dell and reverse engineer it out of them
[13:05] <jimiridge> social engineer
[13:05] <jimiridge> :P
[13:05] <tanner> amikrop: then i suggest you call DELL and find out why
[13:06] <KrimZon> savvas:  169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31
[13:06] <KrimZon> and  2.6.24.11-12.31
[13:06]  * jimiridge dreams in bash
[13:06] <justin007827> is it "cp filen"ame /destinationDirectory
[13:06] <unop> tanner, well, i wouldnt rule that out so quick, it's a win-win thing for both dell and the hardware vendors if their products are used on linux and are used well, maybe this won't happen overnight, but eventually i hope so
[13:07] <savvas> KrimZon: well the only thing I would try, is, while you're in -12-generic kernel: sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[13:07] <setuid> mneptok, ping
[13:07] <amikrop> tanner: But it is not my job to call DELL. It is yours (or, generally the devel's).
[13:07] <tanner> unop: well, if dell wants to produce linux capable hardware they are unlikely to choose hardware that is not already supported by open source drivers (minus nvidia of course), as such, they are unlikely to get unsupported hardware requiring the release of drivers and or specifications by that manufacturer
[13:07] <savvas> KrimZon: otherwise, nvidia has a nice reporting tool, nvidia-bug-report.sh :) run it while in -12-generic kernel
[13:07] <tanner> amikrop: wrong.
[13:08] <KrimZon> ok
[13:08] <KrimZon> brb
[13:08] <raintheory> i'm having some connectivity issues on my fresh install of 8.04 on a thinkpad r50 laptop...   odd thing is, it worked fine *during* install (i set up static ip's at home, so configured that during live session) but now after first reboot no connection to wireless *or* wireed...   the wired connection is hot and works on other boxes.
[13:08] <setuid> mneptok, Yesterday you told me to install Java using apt-get, and I did, but now I have to manually stick /usr/lib/jre/.../blah/blah into my ~/.bash_profile, prepending it to $PATH, so the java binary there is found before /usr/bin/java.
[13:08] <tanner> amikrop: if you refuse to call dell i refuse to help you. you're insistence that your problem is in fact OURs is fundamentally flawed.
[13:08] <KrimZon> and thanks for the help
[13:08] <savvas> n/p
[13:08] <amikrop> tanner: OK. I will call DELL.
[13:09] <justin007827> when i try this "sudo cp vmgl.hg /usr/share/virtualbox
[13:09] <justin007827> " i get this " cp: omitting directory `vmgl.hg'
[13:09] <justin007827> "
[13:09] <tanner> unop: as a result, no new vendors are likely to give up information. however, now say a vendor whats to get a bid by dell and have an unsupported device under linux, then MAYBE something may happen.
[13:09] <justin007827> what does that meen?
[13:09] <tanner> justin007827: vmgl.hg is a directory
[13:09] <setuid> justin007827, Are you copying _a_ file? or many files?
[13:09] <jimiridge> windows pays em to bclosede
[13:10] <savvas> justin007827: if you want to copy a directory, use cp -R ...
[13:10] <jimiridge> that what i get from that sentance
[13:10] <raintheory> i didnt realize the connectivity issue until i edited my sources.list and tried to update some stuff....   then checked the web..  no go./    everything seems fine the the admin/network setup.
[13:10] <justin007827> ok, so cp -R to move the directory. thanks
[13:11] <DASPRiD> or cp -a
[13:11] <savvas> justin007827: to move the directory: mv ... :)
[13:11] <tanner> jimiridge: unlikely, would be a waste of money, most common devices can be RE'd fairly easy, sans exceptionally complex devices such as scanners and such
[13:11] <jimiridge> for 500$ a copy i'm sure scumsoft has money to throw around
[13:11] <jimiridge> not to mention dev tools couple undred each
[13:12] <tanner> huh?
[13:12] <jimiridge> and teaching
[13:12] <jimiridge> they hold a monopoly on the knowledge too you know
[13:12] <amikrop> tanner: But since then, it may be helpful to know that the whole thing is about some "firmware downgrade": http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2308248
[13:12] <raintheory> also, trying ip addresses does nothing, so its not a DNS issue...    any ideas guys?   i'm pulling my hair out here..   ;)
[13:12] <tanner> microsoft is unlikely to throw money at joe-blow computer manufacture to keep their plain hardware drivers closed "to hurt FOSS operating systems"
[13:13] <jimiridge> i disagree
[13:13] <AnAnt_> Hello, why does the latest update include firefox-2 ?
[13:13] <tanner> and what is your logic for them then?
[13:14] <jimiridge> sure you didnt aptitude install firefox-2 yourself?
[13:14] <tanner> AnAnt_: i see no firefox two in the upgrades list
[13:14] <justin007827> install -d /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/lib/
[13:14] <justin007827> install -d /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/bin/
[13:14] <justin007827> (cd cr ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    make ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    install -s -m 0755 dist/lib/*.so /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/lib/ ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    install -s -m 0755 dist/bin/* /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/bin/ ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	) || exit 1
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/cr'
[13:14] <justin007827> /bin/sh: gmake: not found
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: *** [util.subdir] Error 127
[13:14] <tanner> justin, PASTEBIN
[13:14] <jimiridge> use pastebin justin007827
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/cr'
[13:14] <justin007827> install: cannot stat `dist/lib/*.so': No such file or directory
[13:15] <justin007827> install: cannot stat `dist/bin/*': No such file or directory
[13:15] <justin007827> make: *** [all] Error 1
[13:15] <tanner> ugh flood
[13:15] <setuid> ugh
[13:15] <setuid> justin007827, stop
[13:15] <Hobbsee> setuid: he's quieted.
[13:15] <Hobbsee> justin007827: pastebin, please
[13:15] <setuid> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM
[13:15] <setuid> grrr
[13:15] <tanner> lol
[13:15] <tanner> i was like.. ah hell not more..
[13:15] <AnAnt_> tanner: ah, it includes firefox-themes-ubuntu, that seems to depend on firefox-2
[13:15] <setuid> the Java supplied in the repo for AMD64 is broken, and was shipped with 32-bit SWT libs
[13:15] <jimiridge> pasebinit rox    <cmdline>
[13:15] <KrimZon> err... it fixed itself
[13:15] <_dan_> hello guys, i upgraded to hardy today on my desktop, now i got this mouse problem, every single click is interpreted as a double click, works fine on my laptop but here i cnat single click, anyone any idea?
[13:16] <tanner> !pastebin @ justin007827
[13:16] <setuid> damnit
[13:16] <tanner> erm, damn bot
[13:16] <DanaG> damn hard-lockups.
[13:16] <justin007827> sorry guys
[13:16] <tanner> no worries, just in the future use pastebin for anything over 1 line
[13:16] <KrimZon> audacity broke again though
[13:16] <DanaG> I left my PC seeding with Azureus overnight, with the lid closed, and with compiz not running --- and I got a hard-lockup.
[13:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah... I've worked out why gcalctool is screwing up thousands seperators
[13:16] <justin007827> how does that work?
[13:16] <raintheory> ...so no ideas about the networking issue?
[13:17] <orvokki> Hmm... This might be starting to unravel.
[13:17] <setuid> DanaG, I did to, actually... black screen, but the PC was running
[13:17] <tanner> justin007827: you paste whatever in a box, submit and give us the url so we can look at it
[13:17] <tanner> Azureus is evil
[13:17] <raintheory> i'd hate to install 7.10 on this laptop so close to hardy release
[13:17] <tanner> KTorrent for the win!
[13:17] <setuid> tanner, and you prefer what?
[13:17] <raintheory> deluge is nice
[13:17] <setuid> tanner, Can ktorrent blacklist a range of IPs?
[13:17] <tanner> setuid: see previous statement
[13:17] <tanner> yes
[13:17] <tanner> ipfilter plugin
[13:17] <justin007827> ok, that was the output from my term
[13:17] <DanaG> Azureus can't directly cause hard-lockups, though.
[13:17] <setuid> I have a blacklist of over 30,000 unique IPs (basically the entire US)
[13:17] <justin007827> when i tried to make a file
[13:18] <raintheory> azureous isnt great, i think cuz its java though
[13:18] <setuid> justin007827, Install gmake
[13:18] <justin007827> k
[13:18] <raintheory> feature wise its okay
[13:18]  * tanner hates Java and Flash
[13:18] <setuid> justin007827, "making a file" is as simple as 'touch filename'
[13:18] <justin007827> thats what i thought
[13:18] <jimiridge> but cmon tanner i'm sure even you like to watch youtube
[13:18] <justin007827> ok
[13:18] <orvokki> Hmm, how would I make certain that my Ubuntu would use nvidia kernel module 169.12 instead of 71.86.04?
[13:18] <tanner> especially flash, flash is evil
[13:19] <raintheory> haha @ jimiridge
[13:19] <tanner> jimiridge: i download the flv files and play it locally whenever possible
[13:19] <orvokki> It seems that it's using the *old* kernel module and I'm starting the suspect it's the source of all evil on my system.
[13:19] <tanner> and its not you tube.. its ...nvm
[13:19] <david> noscript ftw
[13:19] <emma> Is there any open source alternative to Flash?
[13:19] <_dan_> hello guys, i upgraded to hardy today on my desktop, now i got this mouse problem, every single click is interpreted as a double click, works fine on my laptop but here i cnat single click, anyone any idea?
[13:19] <david> enable flash if you need/want to
[13:19] <raintheory> is there a room strictly for networking issues?
[13:19] <tanner> emma: gnash
[13:19] <orvokki> emma: Gnash.
[13:19] <justin007827> gnash, right?
[13:20] <orvokki> It's not there yet though.
[13:20] <tanner> however no support for flash 9
[13:20] <justin007827> ya
[13:20] <jimiridge> thats like copying and pasting cmd output to pastebin when you can just pipe ith through pastebin
[13:20] <david> I'm yet to see gnash work :B
[13:20] <setuid> flash works fine here
[13:20] <setuid> shrug
[13:20] <tanner> flash will die eventaully anyway
[13:20] <emma> Why is Flash so prevalent if it is evil?
[13:20]  * DanaG hates just Flash.
[13:20]  * Hobbsee suggests the /topic
[13:20] <jimiridge> pipe it through "pastebinit"*
[13:20] <Hobbsee> emma: i'm sure you could ask the same of windows.
[13:20] <tanner> haha @ Hobbsee
[13:21] <tanner> emma: at the time it was the only technology capable of what it could do
[13:21] <DanaG> Here's my impression of Flash:
[13:21] <tanner> and wow that was a horrible sentence in so many way
[13:21] <DanaG> *segfault*
[13:21] <tanner> lol
[13:21] <emma> In what ways does Flash present itself as evil from our perspective?
[13:21] <DanaG> (when browsing YouTube, it seems to happen approximately every 3 pages.)
[13:21] <raintheory> see ya guys
[13:21] <raintheory> take care
[13:21] <david> emma: CPU hogging?
[13:21] <tanner> emma: closed, resource consuming junk, with support lagging
[13:21] <Hobbsee> emma: nonfree.
[13:21] <jimiridge> firefox crash? yeah i get that too DanaG
[13:22] <Hobbsee> tanner: :)
[13:22] <setuid> Anyone have a viable replacement for the non-functioning NetworkManager tool?
[13:22] <jimiridge> but just recently the adblock extension got ported to the beta firefox
[13:22] <tanner> setuid: the command line :D
[13:22] <jimiridge> i was sooo happy
[13:22] <setuid> tanner, Right, that's what I use now
[13:22] <orvokki> Heh, I do know how to solve this by recompiling whole X but... I don't think it's the right solution in Ubuntu.
[13:22] <tanner> ah! problem solved! XD
[13:22] <lamalex> jimiridge: the FF3 thing is killing me, not being able to use extensions
[13:22] <setuid> tanner, wireless/wired in Gutsy worked fine at boot
[13:22] <DanaG> I've been using Firefox 3.0 with Adblock Plus for a while.
[13:22] <setuid> But Hardy uses this other broken garbage, so I have to start networking with scripts at boot time
[13:22] <DanaG> jUST needed MR Tech toolkit.
[13:22] <david> lamalex: what extensions?
[13:22] <setuid> Which requires me to log in
[13:22] <jimiridge> anyone know what happened to the ubuntu hardy google partnerpage?
[13:23]  * tanner has adblock plus, web devel, foxyproxy and video download helper
[13:23] <emma> Will Hardy have Firefox 3.0 as default?
[13:23] <tanner> setuid: i'm afraid i have no idea what your actual problem is :\
[13:23] <orvokki> So far seems that way.
[13:23] <jimiridge> thats was soo cool and it disappeared (google partnerpage)
[13:23] <david> I use two extensions with FF3; adblock plus and noscript, they work atleast
[13:23] <Hobbsee> emma: it alreayd does.  why don't you install it, or search the forums for hte answers to your questions?
[13:23] <lamalex> david: del.ico.us for one
[13:24] <setuid> tanner, 1.) Boot machine, 2.) no networking, 3.) log in and start networking via CLI scripts.
[13:24] <david> ah, never used that I'm afraid lamalex :)
[13:24] <tanner> im afraid point #2 is rather lacking in useful details
[13:24] <emma> Hobbsee please don't make harsh comments. We are trying to build a community here.
[13:24] <lamalex> david: they havn't really locked down how they're saving bookmarks yet, so I can't just bump the version number
[13:24] <Hobbsee> emma: we?  how long have you been in thsi channel, again?
[13:24] <tanner> OMG the sun is comming back up :(
[13:25] <emma> Hobbsee - you don't welcome new guests?
[13:25] <david> tanner: time to wake up :D
[13:25] <setuid> tanner, 2.) no networking means that NetworkManager is useless, doesn't fire up wpa_supplicant and friends, etc.
[13:25] <jimiridge> yes
[13:25] <tanner> meh, what happened to time to sleep?
[13:25] <orvokki> Hmm. It appears my Hardy for some reason installed kernel modules for nvidia-glx-legacy instead of nvidia-glx-new... Any idea what could be wrong?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> emma: on hte contrary. just unsure, as you're new, how you're going to start building community
[13:25] <jimiridge> actually sun was up about 2 or so hours ago here
[13:25] <tanner> setuid: is this an upgrade or fresh install?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> emma: particularyl as you dont' seem to *run* the system in question that gets discussed here.
[13:25] <emma> Hobbsee - By asking you to be more welcoming and not use harsh comments. Thank you dear.
[13:25] <tanner> jimiridge: east coast?
[13:25] <setuid> tanner, fresh install
[13:25] <jimiridge> Cincinnati
[13:26] <tanner> close enough :P
[13:26] <tanner> setuid: what is your wireless card?
[13:26] <emma> I'm preparing myself to run Hardy.
[13:26] <orvokki> Apparently not. Sigh. Well, at least I now *know* my problem can be easily fixed for Hardy final.
[13:26] <david> "just do it" - nike
[13:27] <elkbuntu> emma, the forums are a good place to find answers to questions that lots of people are likely to ask, such as 'will this ubuntu version have such-and-such version of such-and-such application'
[13:27]  * DanaG wants an 8510p:  http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/hp-compaq-adds-penryn-to-8510p-8510w-8710p-and-8710w-laptops/#comments
[13:27] <setuid> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[13:27] <DanaG> Oh, and to find versions, search packages.ubuntu.com
[13:27] <emma> elkbuntu, oh thank you. :) You see that is friendly information.
[13:27] <elkbuntu> needless to say, if you're going to be running hardy, you need to know how to search for information on your own
[13:27] <DanaG> Or /msg ubotu info packagename
[13:27] <DanaG>   /msg ubotu info packagename hardy
[13:27] <setuid> The driver and card work fine, perfectly, when I start them manually with a shell script to modprobe the module and iwconfig/ifconfig it
[13:27] <tanner> setuid: that is rather odd, did it work on the livecd?
[13:27] <theron> My connections to my router are horrific, NM says I've got a decent connection, another distro same laptop pulls test files from my router @ over 200K, while heron pulls the files @ 10K then slows down to 1000 or so B, then dies after a few min.  I'm thinking that my router is old enough it dosen't do ipv6.  How do I disable it properly?
[13:27] <setuid> tanner, Yep, and it worked in Gutsy
[13:28] <orvokki> Checking out the contents of ubuntu-desktop for Hardy on packages.ubuntu.com == priceless.
[13:28] <jimiridge> "Why are we always "preparing"? Just go. " -Dark Helmet
[13:28] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: which is exactly why this channel is run with a higher barrier to entry than #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:28] <Hobbsee> emma: elkbuntu: at the end of the day, it's got to be useful enough that the developers cna get useful feedback, too
[13:28] <emma> barrier to entry? I typed /join #ubuntu+1
[13:28] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, exactly
[13:28]  * tanner recalls seeing no barrier upon entering this channel
[13:29] <Hobbsee> emma: i'll have to remember to make an IQ test to find the channel next time, then.
[13:29] <jimiridge> a chan key would stop alot of noobs
[13:29] <Hobbsee> jimiridge: the /topic seems to stop some.
[13:29] <setuid> tanner, when I run nm-editor, it shows me the wireless network as being configured, and all of the values are in there (though, there's only one button 'Remove', no 'Add' or 'Save' buttons in the editor)
[13:29] <Hobbsee> jimiridge: and of course, people just refusing to answer noob questions helps, too :)
[13:29] <jimiridge> have the key in the topic
[13:29] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, when they actually read and comprehend it
[13:29] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: afaik, they can be severely encouraged to do so, and to follow it, in here.
[13:30] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, indeed
[13:30] <jimiridge> sorry Hobbsee im an "enabler"  i like to help too much to the point where its excruciatingly painfully
[13:30] <emma> These comments I'm seeing, "IQ test" "when they actually comprehend it" these are sad and offensive comments and I think they might violate the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, and the spirit of being welcoming to everyone.
[13:30] <tanner> setuid: i'm afraid i have no real useful advice for you other than to seek the mailing list and forums, also perhaps post a bug report. certainly stay in the channel you may find a solution and if you do, definately report back
[13:30] <Hobbsee> emma: ....
[13:30] <effie_jayx> is there a bug for sound in rhythmbox. if I lay a video on youtube and then try to listen to something with RB it just doesn't play a thing... audacious is able to play music though
[13:30]  * tanner rolls eyes at emma
[13:30] <hmuller> Can anyone point me to the script which starts compiz?
[13:31] <tanner> oh wait i have a cousin named emma
[13:31] <tanner> O.o
[13:31] <Hobbsee> gimme a break...
[13:31] <tanner> temper tantrum?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> i really dont' feel like her shenanigans in -offtopic a few days ago repeated in here.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> especially as this is support *only*
[13:31]  * tanner fears the offtopic channel
[13:32] <tanner> actually i can barely stand the standard channel :-\
[13:32] <jimiridge> does anyone know if your cpu/bios has to have "virtualization" speciffic flags/options to use xen?
[13:32] <tanner> jimiridge: i believe so, mine did
[13:32] <emma> More abuse.
[13:32] <tanner> wait, yes. as its enabled in BIOS as i recall from some specs somewhere on the wire
[13:33] <jimiridge> damn nowonder i hosed my system a long time ago trying
[13:33] <Hobbsee> emma: if you wish to complain about abuse, here is not the place.  You know where the place was, from the last few times you got banned.
[13:33] <orvokki> Hobbsee: Speaking of support, wouldn't happen to know how to force this into installing nvidia kernel modules for 169.12?
[13:33] <theron> jimridge: it depends if you want to do para or full virt
[13:33] <Hobbsee> orvokki: no, sorry, i don't do nvidia.
[13:33] <tanner> orvokki: manually?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> emma: if you continue in here, then i *will* ban you, as it's offtopic.
[13:33] <DanaG> Oh, another thing: removing networks from nm-editor doesn't prevent it from reconnecting, until you kill and restart nm-applet.
[13:33]  * tanner is not sad to see amikrop go :-\
[13:34] <theron> jimridge: you can  do paravirt with older procs it's just slower, however for full virt you've got to have the VT flag on intel and V on AMD chips.
[13:34] <setuid> DanaG, nm-editor does absolutely nothing
[13:34] <emma> Do not talk about me being banned in here. That should be done in #ubuntu-ops. Because you are humiliating me and people in here won't be able to make an informed judgement about if any of the bans were justified or not. Thank you.
[13:34] <david> I love how the mousedriver in hardy actually works with my touchpad :D
[13:34] <david> yay
[13:34] <setuid> You can't "add" to it, nor can you edit+save any values
[13:34] <orvokki> tanner: I get a conflict: Nvidia kernel module version 71.86.04 and Nvidia driver 169.12. The only way of resolving this that I know involves compiling stuff and I was hoping for a more Ubuntu way to do it. ^^
[13:34] <m1r> DanaG: so there is no way to manualy remove networks from list in nm?
[13:34] <theron> jimridge: you'll see alot of benefit from the newer procs with paravirt as well.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> tanner: would have suggested recommending a support contract for that one, actually
[13:34] <david> oh, and XBMC linux works great with hardy too
[13:34] <jimiridge> theron, i'll look into that next chance <running out of fue;>
[13:35] <DanaG> You can do it with the editor, but then you have to 'killall nm-applet' and then re-run nm-applet.
[13:35] <setuid> IMHO, Hardy is a huge step backwards
[13:35] <tanner> Hobbsee: a "support contract" ?
[13:35] <david> in what way?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> tanner: from canonical.
[13:35] <m1r> DanaG: tnx for info
[13:35] <Hobbsee> tanner: if he refuses to call dell himself.
[13:35] <david> setuid: in what way?
[13:35] <setuid> Things which were rich in features and function in Gutsy, now lack those features and a good 40% or more of the apps I run, are broken
[13:35] <tanner> Hobbsee: and what does this support contract do?
[13:35] <david> ouch
[13:36] <Hobbsee> tanner: acts as his personal support?
[13:36] <david> setuid: can't say I have any negative experience now at all
[13:36] <david> setuid: however I find the moving of screen and resolution to menu "other" very odd
[13:36] <DanaG> evdev has been broken, for one thing.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> emma: fine, but stay on topic from now on.
[13:36] <tanner> orvokki: check your installed packages for other nvidia kernel moduels
[13:36] <setuid> I've been using and developing for Linux for 14+ years, and my FLOSS project is shipped with every Linux distro... but I'm so sick and tired of this 1-step-forward-5-steps-back stuff every year, I may just throw it all away and buy a Mac.
[13:37] <tanner> Hobbsee: still lost i'm afraid
[13:37] <setuid> All the instability and "churn" in Linux is forcing a lot of people to move to Mac
[13:37] <tanner> setuid: i believe that would be a step or 12 back
[13:37] <elkbuntu> emma, we would discuss it there if you would actually make your way there
[13:38] <tanner> setuid: curious, was there anything that was not working in 7.10?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: sure, but i think we'll stop discussing the subject, and she can make her way there if she feels so inclined.
[13:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:38] <DanaG> Broken evdev.
[13:38] <setuid> tanner, Nope, Gutsy was solid, everything worked flawlessly.
[13:38] <orvokki> tanner: nvidia-kernel-* packages are virtual packages. It should install the right one when you install linux-restricted-modules-*.
[13:38] <tanner> setuid: and your reason for upgrading to a "Beta" is?
[13:38]  * elkbuntu pokes her tongue out at Hobbsee
[13:38] <setuid> In Hardy, it frequently takes out my keyboard layout, almost every GNOME app crashes randomly, I can get X to dump by loading anything in wine, networking is broken, yadda yadda.
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: support.  /topic
[13:39] <hmuller> I'm looking for the path and name of the script that starts compiz, anyone?
[13:39] <setuid> tanner, because I need to test my code against the latest distros to vet out any bugs
[13:39] <DanaG> "           So basically, upstream went nuts and threw away most of the configuration options that made evdev so interesting. Great.              "
[13:39] <tanner> orvokki: you may have to resort to the forums my friend
[13:39] <DanaG> WHy do they do that?
[13:39] <setuid> tanner, pilot-link is mine, and I contribute heavily to Plucker and J-Pilot as well
[13:39] <tanner> setuid: what project?
[13:39] <tanner> ah, wonderful
[13:39] <ikonia> setuid: testing against 8.04 is not wise
[13:39] <ikonia> setuid: a lot of changes have been made in it's development
[13:39] <setuid> So all of hal/udev/usb/kernel is in my purview
[13:40] <DanaG> And lovely messages like this:
[13:40] <DanaG> (II) Mouse.0: Unable to grab pEvdev (Device or resource busy).  Cowardly refusing to check use as keyboard.
[13:40] <DanaG> What the heck is a "Pevdev"?
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, I disagree, and this is precisely how I validate that everything works prior to release.
[13:40] <tanner> setuid: what you should be doing instead is installing 8.04 in a virtual machine and testing from their, however it really is best to wait until the final product :-\
[13:40] <ikonia> setuid: what if things change prior to release.
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, Then I change with them
[13:40] <ikonia> setuid: so your constantly testing
[13:40] <emma> Well hello there ikonia
[13:40] <tanner> setuid: curious, what parts of your code depend on specific parts of the distro?
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, the _reason_ they change, is because of people like me, who find, report and fix bugs.
[13:40] <DanaG> "            The option "Device" or "Path" needs to be set to the /dev/input/eventX device. All other options for device detection were removed. "
[13:41] <Hobbsee> tanner: http://www.canonical.com/services/support fyi
[13:41] <setuid> tanner, the entire protocol subsystem; serial, usb, bluetoooth, etc.
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: I disagree on that, the reason things change are bugs are found - you testing your own code against them will provide a small range of the tests
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: but I do see what your saying
[13:41] <setuid> And the other two apps require python and lots of graphcal toolkits
[13:41] <tanner> Hobbsee: ah.. i for some reaosn thought you were implying i should be his/her personal support person
[13:41] <tanner> O.o haha
[13:41] <Hobbsee> tanner: ahh.  heck no :)
[13:41] <setuid> ikonia, No, "my own code" is shipped _with_ the distros
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: ahhh it's a package then
[13:41] <tanner> Hobbsee: i was going to ask what i did to make you hate me so..
[13:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:42] <ikonia> setuid: I thought you where talking about something you'd wrote for your own needs, not a component, my mistake
[13:42] <emma> ikonia do you see this?
[13:42] <setuid> ikonia, If some Ubuntu packager patches things incorrectly, or patches things wrong, I get hundreds of thousands of users blaming me
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> hello, why do I have the strange feeling that nobody pays attention to bug reports?
[13:42] <setuid> ikonia, n/p ;)
[13:42] <ikonia> setuid: no, I totally understand what your saying
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Zvezdichko: because there are lots more bug reports than people looking at them.
[13:42] <ikonia> emma: yes, I can see that text
[13:43] <DanaG> Why has evdev been so 'gutted' in new Xorg?
[13:43] <Zvezdichko> Hobbsee: no problem, yesterday I reported two bugs (non-critical)
[13:43] <DanaG> It makes absolutely no sense.
[13:43] <Zvezdichko> and no sign that they have benn looked
[13:43] <tanner> setuid: it is entirely understandable, however again, if you are going to develop software against a beta relase it is most recommened to install that beta in a protected environment such as a V< and build from there
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Zvezdichko: weekends?
[13:43] <tanner> eek, must have been 5 typos in there
[13:43]  * tanner needs sleep :(
[13:43] <setuid> tanner, I don't develop against beta... my code is solid, everything works, _upstream distros_ break things, by removing/breaking core functionality
[13:44] <setuid> like shipping broken udev scripts, breaking the kernel with rejected patches and so on
[13:44] <orvokki> tanner: I assume this is just a simple thing that could even be done on purpose.
[13:44] <orvokki> So I would prefer not to make a big issue out of it.
[13:44] <tanner> orvokki: i really honestly have no idea
[13:44] <orvokki> Amd64 packages tend to be ready later than x86.
[13:45] <tanner> setuid: understandable. are you also the package maintainer?
[13:45] <setuid> tanner, Nope
[13:46] <setuid> Which is why my code, from the source tarball _always_ works, where the packages fail
[13:46] <virtuald> i want to report a bug on a prog, but i don't know what the package name is... is there a way to figure out which package installed that executable?
[13:46] <setuid> When a user says "I'm using distro X and your code breaks when I do Y..." I say "Here, try the source tarball, and here's how to build and test it."
[13:46] <tanner> so, to me, it would seem the responsibility of the package maintainer to assure it works properly as it is yours to ensure the code works properly
[13:46] <orvokki> tanner: And considering I managed to fix the problem by running Nvidia's proprietary installer (and I haven't heard of anyone else that has it), I think I'll just wait.
[13:46] <setuid> In 100% of the cases, it works for them.
[13:47] <tanner> orvokki: ah.. i was under the impression you were getting that error from nvidias installer
[13:47] <orvokki> tanner: No. It was that Hardy was unable to install the correct nvidia kernel module for 169,12 in amd64.
[13:47] <tanner> setuid: unfortunately this is the issue with having 12,000 variations of linux
[13:48] <setuid> The issue is always in the distro
[13:48] <setuid> Not "linux"
[13:48] <setuid> It's fine, I deal with it, but that's why I need to constantly be on the bleeding edge of distro-ville
[13:48] <tanner> lets go ahead and not get on a symantics issue about the use of linux and distro interchangably, i am far too tired :)
[13:48] <rom> hi*
[13:49] <rom> could you help me please? : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[13:49] <tanner> again, then it seems you need to rely on the package maintainer to assure it works properly
[13:50] <tanner> setuid: i realize that doesnt help with your current issues of wifi, but in my defense, network manager is crap :D
[13:50] <setuid> it didn't exist in Gutsy, and that worked fine. Why the hell do we need a non-functional GUI applet to see/configure networking anyway?
[13:51] <setuid> You update wpa_supplicant.conf, and things "Just Work(tm)", no need to monkey around with a GUI
[13:51] <ikonia> setuid: thats an interesting comment, do you suggest removing it until it works
[13:51] <setuid> besides, networking should work _without_ starting X or gdm/kdkm
[13:51] <setuid> And with NetworkManager, that isn't possible
[13:51] <tanner> setuid: im not sure, but i think networkmanager rewrites parts of the wheel on how it handles the interfaces
[13:51] <setuid> So a headless box without X won't have working networking, unless you "fix" it with some scripts
[13:51] <DanaG> We need some sort of ncurses UI.
[13:52] <tanner> setuid: ifup?
[13:52] <setuid> tanner, never used it
[13:53] <setuid> Never had to
[13:53] <tanner> setuid: i think the assumption is that if you do not require X server, you are capable of using the CLI to configure networking
[13:53] <setuid> tanner, It makes installing a headless Ubuntu machine remotely, impossible.
[13:53] <ikonia> I thought you could use dpkg-reconfigure to configure networking interfaces ?
[13:53] <Jaymac> my hardy upgrade seems to have deleted fstab, so now I can't get beyond a busybox terminal :)
[13:53] <setuid> Which again, worked fine in Gutsy
[13:53] <ikonia> is that not "non-X" enough
[13:54] <tanner> setuid: well by headless i assume there is no monitor or keyboard, and based on that assumption it is rather impossible to auto configure a network (except a basic wired) especially a wireless one
[13:56] <setuid> tanner, I'm trying ktorrent here, to attempt to replace what I use Azureus for... and it appears to ignore my local IP filter block file. Seems it _requires_ it to be on http. Wtf.
[13:56] <tanner> setuid: consult #ktorrent for any usefull advice
[13:56] <setuid> The only option is to use a remote, http-hosted, PeerGuardian-format filter file.
[13:57] <tanner> i really havent messed with ip filter very much
[13:57] <tanner> however i believe it just looks for a certain file in a directory (to be formatted in a certain way)
[13:58] <setuid> I have 9,378 netblocks in my filter file
[13:58] <setuid> Azureus US Filter:12.16.42.0-12.21.13.255
[13:58] <setuid> for example
[13:59] <setuid> pulseaudio is another example of an over-engineered solution to a non-existant problem in Ubuntu
[13:59] <setuid> Remove pulseaudio, and everything works with sound...
[13:59] <tanner> again, im not well versed on the inner workings of that plugin, best results likely to come from #ktorrent or google
[14:00] <tanner> however i think i must go to sleep before it becomes too bright to be able to
[14:01] <m1r> i have problem with prism54usb driver it seems, it was working perfectly on 7.10 , but on 8.04 it connects to wlan network and drops after 3 seconds. http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c , can someone help with it ?
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> m1r: does it ever truly connect, i.e., do you get a valid IP address?
[14:02] <m1r> nosrednaekim: how can i check that ? it disco after 3 seconds
[14:03] <m1r> nosrednaekim: it shows full signal when conected and then it just go off
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> m1r: while its trying to connect, keep running "iwconfig" exactly when it connects, the IP should change to something like "192.168.0.268" if it doesn't... then its not really connecting
[14:04] <m1r> nosrednaekim: tnx , i go try , brb
[14:04] <jng> anyone managed to get BBC iplayer radio working?
[14:05] <jng> i just get a nasty crackling noise :(
[14:05] <DanaG> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027515.html    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-December/030964.html
[14:05] <DanaG> two things about HAL that I agree with
[14:06] <m13> nosrednaekim: it shows ESSID but i dont see IP address there
[14:08] <DanaG> 169.254 is the "automatic private address"
[14:08] <m13> it shows 192.168.1.3 with ifconfig
[14:09] <m13> and now it stayed conected
[14:09] <m13> strange
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> m13: :P
[14:10] <m13> now it stayed hooked and i didnt do anything but iwconfig and ifconfig
[14:10] <m13> ok, it droped
[14:10] <m13> was too good to be true :)
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> hrm.... I betcha as long as you keep hitting iwconfig it will stay connected
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> try it :)
[14:10] <m13> nosrednaekim: what could be causing this ?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> hey... what package should you use for throttling celerons?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> m13: maybe the card goes to sleep or something :P
[14:11] <m13> it wasnt working on 7.10 that way :(
[14:11] <m13> now that it drops for 1st time, i must disconect it and conect it again to fetch network :)
[14:14] <m13> nosrednaekim: even with iwconfig/ifconfig droping out again after 3 seconds
[14:14] <m13> worst thing is i have to unplug it each time when it drops
[14:15] <m13> hmm, even if it droped out still showing 192.168.0.7 with ifconfig
[14:15] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447666  -- needs a link to those two things on HAL, on freedesktop.org.
[14:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 447666 in hal "hal: don't have the right xkb_layout anymore...just us keyboard" [Critical,Fixed]
[14:16] <DanaG> Fixed, but the underlying cause has not.
[14:16] <DanaG> The part in Xorg server, that is.
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> m13: prism... hrm... is that a realtek?
[14:17] <m13> no, siemens usb54 , identify as accton
[14:17] <m13> but seems it using prism54usb on 7.10 and 8.04
[14:17] <m13> yoou right , on iwconfig it stays hooked sometimes
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> m13: try pinging 192.168.0.1 when iwconfig says it still connected
[14:18] <m13> longer then 10 seconds :)
[14:18] <m13> ok
[14:19] <m13> pinging
[14:19] <m13> i wonder if it will keep working with ping runing
[14:20] <m13> no, i droped after 10 seconds
[14:20] <m13> says at end of ping (DUP!)
[14:20] <m13> then netwrok unreachable
[14:21] <m13> at least it stays on for 10 seconds :)
[14:22] <m13> some progres :)
[14:22] <m13> it stays about 10 seconds then conection drops without any reason
[14:23] <m13> what more could i do to check reason for drop out ?
[14:23] <rom> hi
[14:23] <webmaren> does anybody have a fix for sound support
[14:23] <rom> in hardy, apt-get / aptitude don't have autocompletion, is it normam?
[14:23] <rom> normal
[14:23] <setuid> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/cryptographic_key_recovery_fro.html
[14:23] <setuid> OOPS! ^ :)
[14:24] <m13> if i try to bring it up , ifup wlan0 , says : ignoring unknown interface
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> rom: apt-get install bash-completion
[14:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm. ANyone else trying out the xfce desktop? does the Autostarted Apps - controlpanel item even launch somthing?
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> m13: thats awfully weird.... does ndiswrapper work?
[14:24] <rom> thanks
[14:24] <m13> i dont use ndis nosrednaekim
[14:24] <rom> will it be installed by default in final version
[14:24] <rom> ?
[14:24] <Dr_willis> heh bash-completion - one of the top 10 things i install on any new install.
[14:24] <Dr_willis> rom,  i dont think it will be.
[14:24] <m13> it was working without ndis on 7.10
[14:25] <m13> so i guess should work without ndis on hardy, right ?
[14:25] <m13> strange thing half minute after connection droped i still have same IP on ifconfig
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> m13: hrm
[14:26] <rom> why wont it be intalled by default
[14:26] <rom> it was in gutsy...
[14:26] <m13> iwlist scan , no scan results
[14:27] <m13> RX / TX transfering data ?!?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> m13: how about iwconfig transfer errors?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> rom: if its not installed now, it probably won't be, no
[14:28] <setuid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2rM5Zy5T5Y
[14:28] <m13> no errors
[14:28] <rom> nosrednaekim: ok, it's strange, it was on gutsy...
[14:34] <jng> weirdness with lockscreen.. a couple of times I've come back to a locked screen and it won't accept my password
[14:34] <m13> what would happend if i manually copy prism54usb.ko from 7.10 and put it in 8.04? will update break this package ? could somthing other go wrong ? as it is reading only from this file i think
[14:34] <jng> switching to a console and resetting the passwd then back to the lockscreen and i can get in..
[14:36] <Dr_willis> jng,  you are the 2nd person ive seen  mention that.. there maybe a bug going on.
[14:36] <jng> tks.. i thought i'd been rooted ;)
[14:36] <jng> i'll see if i can gather more info.. it isn't every time
[14:37] <HardyOne> lockscreen seems to be working properly here but I will start testing it more often
[14:37] <jng> also seems to affect the keyring
[14:38] <jng> overall though, 1 week into Hardy and i'm enjoying it lots.. been using it at work too
[14:41] <Jaymac> hmm... when i upgraded to hardy it installed both kernel 2.24.whatever-386 and 2.24.whatever-generic - the 386 one gives me a busybox prompt whilst the generic one works fine.. wonder why
[14:43] <Zvezdichko> i use the 386 kernel
[14:43] <Zvezdichko> works great
[14:43] <Jaymac> Zvezdichko: I take it it is safe to delete it
[14:43] <HardyOne> Jaymac, I know alot of people had sound issues with the 386 kernel perhaps something in your hardware and that kernel dont mesh
[14:44] <Jaymac> HardyOne: it freezes on mounting root filesystem
[14:44] <HardyOne> Jaymac, yes it is say to uninstall . use synaptic and search for -386
[14:44] <Jaymac> when i poke around in busybox /usr/bin isn't there, neither is fstab.. so something isn't quite right
[14:45] <Zvezdichko> i mean, i don't need to delete id because i only use this kernel
[14:45] <Zvezdichko> :)
[14:45] <dimitree> Well i just did a fresh install of 8.04 and still my xorg is full with Section "Device"	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[14:46] <Jaymac> got the gnome-settings-daemon problems that others have been having too
[14:47] <Zvezdichko> there are no serious issues I'm aware, however
[14:50] <Zvezdichko> is anybody aware with this open-vm-tools
[14:52] <ClaesBas> Anybody now if it's only 8.04 server beta which don't have ipmisensors with kernal or does ubuntu kernal at all have it?
[14:54] <Dr_willis> my xorg.conf is so minimal.. its scary
[14:55] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: mine is also minimal, but everything works
[14:55] <Dr_willis> Zvezdichko,  yea. which suprises me..
[14:56] <Dr_willis> i wonder what to even do if i want to  add my wacom tablet. :)
[14:58] <jng> re: xorg I'm having some trouble with an external monitor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/200805
[14:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200805 in xorg-server "xorg uses laptop video BIOS 'Panel Size' for external monitors, so apps end up confined to small space in top left of screen" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:59] <jng> I think there might be some sort of race going on 'cos if I log off and log back on again it often works ok
[14:59] <Dimitree> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doens't work again :/
[14:59] <jng> nope.. that just throws away the hacks i added to get compiz to run fast ;)
[15:01] <Dimitree> how can i make sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work ? :/
[15:01] <jng> in what way doesn't work?
[15:01] <Dimitree> it skips driver selection monitor selection and goes right to keyboard layout
[15:02] <jng> ahh.. in hardy xorg.conf is pretty minimal
[15:02] <Dimitree> awesome :)
[15:03] <Dimitree> so i guess i must manualy add my intel GPU and monitor ?
[15:03] <jng> no i don't think you need to
[15:04] <jng> just bring up the screen resolution prefs once you get into X and you can play
[15:05] <Dr_willis> i wonder where these settings are gettting set at.. :)
[15:05] <Dr_willis> xorg is just using the magicial X elfen magic to get the info?
[15:05] <jng> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf
[15:05] <Dimitree> jng i am in X but i don't have options to set refresh rate higher then 60hz
[15:05] <jng> Dr_willis: i'm pretty sure its elfin magic
[15:06] <rom> could someone help me for adding "SHMConfig" "true" in my xorg.conf please?
[15:06] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless) even after it successfully acquires an IP address
[15:06] <kcandrew> Hi, I'm trying to install vmware-tools on hardy and I am looking for the header file for the kernel so that I can get it working right. According to the forum it should be in /usr/src/*/arch/i386 (where * is something like linux headers generic). However, I don't have an i386 file.
[15:07] <kcandrew> There is only x86.
[15:08] <kcandrew> Was it renamed to that? I'm not really sure that I'm looking for a directory of a text file. So, I don't know.
[15:08] <HardyOne> rom, use gedit to open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit the appropriate line
[15:09] <rom> HardyOne: my problem is "the appropriate line"
[15:09] <HardyOne> rom, is it not there?
[15:09] <rom> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 (here is my xorg.conf)
[15:10] <Zvezdichko> hmm... I'll ask that question again - will there be OpenOffice 2.4 in Hardy?
[15:10] <jng> Zvezdichko: i read it is already 2.4
[15:10] <jng> .. just says its 2.3
[15:10] <jng> so yes, it will be 2.4
[15:11] <HardyOne> rom, put it in the InputDevice muse section
[15:11] <HardyOne> mouse
[15:11] <Dimitree> ok this is so wird :) when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and then go to screen resolutions, my monitor is identifyed currectly and i have a 85h refresh option, however when i click apply the screen switches to 60hz refresh rate and the monitor becomes unknown :)
[15:11] <Zvezdichko> yep... of course, I know how to install software manually :) but I prefer software only from the official repositories :) there are very few programs that I have installed manually - skype, opera
[15:11] <orvokki> Dimitree: Nvidia?
[15:11] <Dimitree> intel
[15:12] <orvokki> Hmm, dunno then.
[15:12] <rom> HardyOne: I did it
[15:12] <rom> but doesn't work
[15:12] <rom> when I launch gsynaptics
[15:12] <rom> it asks me to add SHMConfig true in xorg
[15:12] <HardyOne> rom, you need to reboot
[15:12] <rom> yes, I did
[15:12] <HardyOne> hmmm
[15:13] <rom> in gutsy, I have a section "TouchPad" AND "Mouse"
[15:13] <rom> s/have/had/
[15:13] <HardyOne> rom, so do I
[15:15] <Dr_willis> heh.. yep - having to tweak your xorg.conf now  takes some voodoo it seems
[15:16] <HardyOne> seems so
[15:17] <Dr_willis> i was thinking that SHMconfig option went in its own little stanza.
[15:18] <aquo> I just tried hardy.
[15:18] <rom> how to enabled SHMConfig in anoyher way?
[15:18] <aquo> But i am missing something!
[15:18] <rom> enable
[15:18] <aquo> where is linda?
[15:18] <HardyOne> Dr_willis, in my xorg it is under the Touchpad section
[15:18] <burner> linda?
[15:18] <aquo> linda like lintian
[15:18] <HardyOne> ahh linda! she moved
[15:18] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[15:18] <Dr_willis> has an example. :)
[15:19] <aquo> HardyOne: can you give me her new address? ;)
[15:19] <aquo> i really liked her and hugged her often.
[15:19] <HardyOne> aquo, what is linda?
[15:20] <aquo> HardyOne: linda is a tool for package testing like lintian
[15:20] <HardyOne> aquo, apt-cache search linda returns 3 packages
[15:20] <HardyOne> check them out
[15:21] <aquo> hmm, interessting
[15:22] <HardyOne> you maight have to compile linda yourself. I have never heard of it though
[15:22] <HardyOne> might
[15:22] <crimsun> aquo: it's obsoleted.
[15:23] <crimsun> aquo: it was removed from Debian and removed from Ubuntu upon its maintainer's request.
[15:23] <aquo> ah, ok
[15:23] <crimsun> aquo: (see Debian 469039)
[15:23] <HardyOne> aquo, here is a link http://people.debian.org/~stevenk/linda/ but I would listen to crimsun
[15:23] <ubotu> Debian bug 469039 in ftp.debian.org "RM: linda -- RoM; deprecated" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/469039
[15:24] <rom> about deprectation : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468905
[15:24] <ubotu> Debian bug 468905 in ftp.debian.org "RM: qsynaptics -- RoM; deprecated by ToucheFreeze" [Normal,Open]
[15:24] <rom> ksynaptics is FAR to be deprecated by TouchFreeze
[15:25] <dimitree> Take a look please http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61475/        it says that prefered refresh rate is *60  : (
[15:25] <dimitree> 85hz is not avaliable in screen resolution
[15:25] <rom> HardyOne, could you post your xorg.conf please
[15:25] <rom> in pastebin
[15:25] <rom> for showing me the touchpad and mouse sections
[15:25] <HardyOne> rom, yeah gimme a sec
[15:26] <rom> thanks
[15:27] <aquo> crimsun: ok, so linda goodbye linda ;)
[15:27] <HardyOne> rom, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61476/
[15:27] <DanaG> crimsun: oh, you're around now?  Cool.
[15:27] <aquo> if lintian checks everything that linda did, goodbye linda ;)
[15:27] <HardyOne> aquo, seems linda has left the country and did not leave a forwarding address :)
[15:27] <aquo> linda has left the building.
[15:28] <DanaG> Did you see my note the other day about how my Cardbus Audigy has a chip labeled "CA0109-1AG" instead of anything "CA10Kxxx" for emu10k1?
[15:28] <rom> thank you
[15:28] <HardyOne> rom,  np
[15:29] <rom> HardyOne  : in ServerLayout, you don't have InputDevice "Configured Mouse"???
[15:30] <aquo> hmmm, revu-tools depend on linda ...
[15:30] <HardyOne> rom you have the exact xorg.conf that I have pasted
[15:31] <rom> ok
[15:33] <dimitree> is this normal dimitree@dimitree-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep render direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
[15:33] <dimitree> why is it using Mesa ?
[15:33] <crimsun> DanaG: no.  I'm pretty scarce on IRC these days.
[15:34] <dimitree> but anyway is there a way to force my monitor intu 85h refresh rate on 8.04 ?
[15:35] <DanaG> Aah.
[15:36] <DanaG> Anyway, I finally gave into temptation and rather inelgantly removed the cover of my cardbus Audigy2.
[15:36] <ioan> same problem here dimitree -not solved yet
[15:36] <DanaG> Is CA0109 an SBLive, or a real Audigy2?  The SBLive! has the snd-ca0106 driver, so the 0109 seems only 3 digits off.
[15:37] <dimitree> ho well ... anyone using Blender ?
[15:37] <ehazlett> greetings...  i'm trying to get my latitude xt's tablet functionality to work... anyone have any links?
[15:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another random thing: using evdev for keyboard breaks magic sysrq and ctrl-alt-backspace.
[15:38] <rom> thank you very much HardyOne :)
[15:38] <rom> it works :
[15:38] <rom> :)
[15:38] <HardyOne> glad to hear it rom
[15:38] <rom> this "shmconfig" should be enabled by default :)
[15:38] <HardyOne> yes it should lol
[15:39] <DanaG> And the touchpad gui needs better config options.
[15:39] <rom> ksynaptics was very good
[15:39] <DanaG> Two-finger scrolling!  Two- and Three-finger tapping!
[15:39] <rom> but it has been removed :(
[15:39] <dimitree> Should i install Blender from the Add/Remove or from Blender website :) and advise ?
[15:39] <dimitree> *any
[15:39] <HardyOne> add/remove
[15:40] <rom> is there a chance that it could be reintroduced in default repositories?
[15:40] <dimitree> ok thanks :)
[15:40] <rom> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[15:40] <DanaG> http://ltpconf.sourceforge.net/
[15:40] <HardyOne> rom, probably not if it has been removed. unless they get enough bugs to rethink TouchFreeze
[15:40] <rom> but TouchFreeze has no options
[15:40] <rom> only a slider to choose between 0,1 and 2 seconde
[15:40] <rom> seconds
[15:41] <rom> while ksynpatics has 4 tabs of configuration...
[15:41] <rom> we can't say that "ksynaptics" is deprecated by "touchfreeze"
[15:41] <rom> it's a joke
[15:42] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[15:42] <DanaG> run "synclient -l" and then adapt the options to xorg.conf.
[15:42] <dredhammer> can someone tell me where in heron i can select which multimedia app plays dvds? in Gutsy it used to be in System->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media but its not there in Heron
[15:43] <rom> but I want to change the state "dynamically"
[15:43] <rom> with ksynaptics, I did "ctrl alt q" for disabling / enabling
[15:43] <rom> touchpad
[15:44] <DanaG> Gaack, using evdev breaks ctrl-alt-backpace.
[15:44] <rom> and configuring a "delay of disable" after taping a key is not good, because often, it's just before the first key you tape that you move the mouse
[15:44] <rom> ...
[15:44] <rom> so touchfreeze is useless
[15:45] <rom> I am trying to compile ksynaptics
[15:45] <rom> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[15:45] <rom> See `config.log' for more details.
[15:45] <rom> when I ./configure
[15:45] <rom> what do I need to install?
[15:45] <rom> gcc is already installed
[15:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/201937
[15:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201937 in xorg "[Hardy][regression] input devices (in particular Logitech mice) that require evdev to work properly are now broken" [Undecided,New]
[15:48] <rom> ??
[15:49] <dredhammer> how do i change the default media player for dvds in Hardy Heron?
[15:51] <Kryczek> Hi! I'm on Kubuntu 8 (of course) : does anybody else have problems with kio_http too?
[15:52] <poningru> dredhammer: insert dvd. right click on the dvd icon, and go to properties
[15:52] <Kryczek> Konqueror won't open anything via http, and Kopete works with ICQ/AIM/GTalk but not MSN (that requires a HTTP connection in the beginning)
[15:52] <poningru> and then under application or something like that tab
[15:52] <rom> I need some help for ./configure please?
[15:52] <poningru> change the player
[15:52] <rom> checking for C compiler default output file name...
[15:52] <rom> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[15:53] <crimsun> rom: (re)install build-essential
[15:54] <rom> thank you :)
[15:55] <rom> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[15:57] <crimsun> rom: libx11-dev and possible additional packages.
[15:57] <crimsun> rom: which package are you attempting to compile?
[15:57] <rom> ksynaptics
[15:58] <rom> (cf my post :  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 )
[15:59] <dredhammer> sorry poningru no such tab when i click properties
[16:00] <rom> I installed libx11-dev but checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[16:00] <DanaG> wtf?
[16:00] <DanaG> my up arrow turned into 'print screen'
[16:00] <DanaG> !info hal-device-manager
[16:01] <DanaG> what happened to the package?
[16:01] <DanaG> "gnome device manager" doesn't replace it.
[16:01] <DanaG> It shows "PnP device"
[16:01] <DanaG> "PnP device"
[16:01] <DanaG> a whole lot -- instead of actual device names.
[16:02] <DanaG> Or "Platform-Specific Device"
[16:06] <sigmounte> hi ! i can't find the package shfs-source , normal ?
[16:06] <rom> crimsun: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 (my last answer, about my problem "checking for x... error"
[16:06] <rom> )
[16:06] <rom> please
[16:08] <DanaG> What the hell?  My up-arrow key is opening the Screenshot dialog.
[16:09] <Kryczek> can anybody please help me understand what's wrong with my kio_http ?
[16:11] <alvarezp> Has anyone seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/208030 ?
[16:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208030 in ubuntu "TrueType fonts don't appear in xfontsel." [Undecided,New]
[16:16] <techbw> Hi all, I have an issue, and was told in the kubuntu channel that I should ask here.
[16:18] <techbw> my mouse pointers are ghosted, almost as if the shadow effect is not set properly any one know how this can be sorted out.
[16:20] <HardyOne> techbw, you running compiz?
[16:20] <techbw> compiz?
[16:21] <HardyOne> guess not
[16:21] <techbw> what is compiz
[16:21] <HardyOne> if you dont know then you are not running it
[16:21] <rom> :)
[16:21] <HardyOne> !compiz | techbw
[16:21] <ubotu> techbw: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[16:21] <rom> compiz is a 3D desktop environment
[16:21] <rom> with visual effects
[16:21] <Halfanub> Did you update your video card drivers?
[16:22] <TheAsp> I have a hardy box that seems to detect the DVD as a CD-ROM...  Anyway to fix this?
[16:22] <techbw> no I did not, but I did upgrade from 6.06lts to 8.04 and this only occured on upgrading
[16:24] <techbw> I changed the mouse pointer theme, and most places the mouse is not ghosted anymore but when I move mouse to kmenu, then the ghost appears again
[16:24] <Lunar_Lamp> I seem to have problems with hard lockups when my machine is idling.
[16:25] <Lunar_Lamp> If I keep using it, I have no problems, but if I allow it to idle, it will hard lock, and I have to use sysrq+sub etc to reboot.
[16:25] <Lunar_Lamp> How can I work out this issue?
[16:29] <ader10> I'd like to request something but I don't know where, so I'll ask here. Sorry if this is the wrong place. Would it be possible to add "gaim-xfire" to the repositories?
[16:30] <techbw> cheers guys
[16:31] <crimsun> ader10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[16:33] <ader10> Thank you, crimsun
[16:34] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless) even after it successfully acquires an IP address
[16:34] <DanaG> TheAsp: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
[16:34] <DanaG> If it lists things wrong, the easiest fix is just to remove that file.
[16:34] <Prefix> wheres the shared folders thing in hardy?
[16:37] <AnAnt> can someone help me with this problem ?
[16:37] <AnAnt> is it a bug or could there be something wrong in my system ?
[16:37] <AnAnt> on another laptop I don't have that problem
[16:37] <dimitree> help help :) i'm running in failsafe terminal mode after trying to install Realtek ALC888 sound driver :)
[16:38] <dimitree> :)
[16:38] <dimitree> anyone ?
[16:39] <crimsun> dimitree: reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules, alsa-base, alsa-utils, and linux-sound-base
[16:39] <dimitree> wow
[16:39] <crimsun> i.e., sudo aptitude reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils linux-sound-base linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[16:39] <crimsun> and next time, don't clobber the ALSA infrastructure ;)
[16:40] <dimitree> :D i wont ! (trows away surround sound speakers)
[16:40] <dimitree> thank you :)
[16:40] <crimsun> (I'm not sure why (s)he didn't just use PulseAudio to handle the upmixing to surround, but whatever.)
[16:41] <dimitree> god damn it cant copy paste command lol i will write it on a paper i guess >->
[16:41] <AnAnt> dimitree: install gpm
[16:42] <usm> hello
[16:42] <usm> i have upgraded feisty to the gutsy with update-manager, after the reboot there was no sounds at all, then i decided to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 , and the sounds now works good, but the system is very Slow
[16:43] <usm> gutsy to hardy i mean
[16:43] <usm> =)
[16:44] <usm> it take me the 3-4minutes  before getting to the desktop..
[16:44] <usm> i have an question
[16:45] <usm> was package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 needed to be installed ?
[16:46] <usm> i am going to remove it becouse something is slowing my system..
[16:53] <omar> Can someone help me setup my Bluetooth? please?
[16:55] <Luke> how do I install fonts on 8.04? it seems fonts:/// doesn't exist anymore?
[16:56] <omar> Can someone help me setup my Bluetooth? please?
[16:57] <dimitree> crimsun help :) it didn't fic the problem :[ i get :error while loading shared libraries: libsound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:57] <dimitree> *fix
[16:57] <yoandy> hi, has anyone succeed using b43 with bcm94311 rev 02 on hardy ?
[16:57] <jng> what's up with it omar
[16:58] <omar> jng: I don't know how to get it working on Ubuntu. :)
[16:58] <jng> what are you trying to do with bluetooth?
[16:58] <crimsun> dimitree: sudo aptitude reinstall libasound2
[16:58] <dimitree> ok o-o
[16:58] <crimsun> dimitree: (I think you meant libasound.so.2)
[17:00] <omar> jug: Anything, sending, receiving to and from other cellphones, other Laptops, other devices... etc. ya know..
[17:01] <omar> Sorry, I meant jng. :)
[17:02] <jng> ok... well that stuff just works for me..  so.. do you have system->preferences->bluetooth ?
[17:02] <dimitree> crimsun, it can not find such package :) anyway when i try to install the audio driver it says my C compiler can't create executables
[17:02] <jng> to send stuff to a phone i use gnome-obex-send
[17:03] <omar> jng: Yes! I do have that.
[17:03] <jng> that is good
[17:03] <jng> try: hcitool scan
[17:03] <jng> on the command line
[17:04] <omar> jng:  Is that command for scanning the area for nearby devices?
[17:04] <jng> that's right
[17:05] <omar> jng: Is there any good applications(GUI's) for doing that instead?
[17:05] <jng> dunno..
[17:05] <jng> i use it to get device ids
[17:06] <jng> aptitude install gnome-bluetooth
[17:06] <jng>  
[17:06] <jng> is worth doing
[17:06] <jng> will give you gnome-obex-send to transfer files to a phone
[17:06] <omar> jng: I tried that command, it says "Device is not available, no such device."
[17:07] <jng> ... hmm... gnome-obex-send has gone awol...
[17:07] <jng> omar.. i often have to do restart bluetooth eg after suspend
[17:08] <jng> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[17:08] <jng>  
[17:08] <omar> uh-huh... okay
[17:08] <Hackel> What is the relationship between the openjdk-6-* packages and icedtea-java7-*, now that the latter are removed from Hardy?
[17:10] <omar> jng: The greatest thing about Ubuntu is that people help people, ya know? So, assuming we don't have any GUI's for Bluetooth yet, making one is not that big fuss ya know. :)
[17:10] <omar> All it needs is a good pinch of experience. :D
[17:11] <usm> will be there resolved the problem with sounds in the official realise of ubuntu..
[17:11] <jng> right.. omar.. i'm a bit puzzled myself at the mo though 'cos i've lost gnome-obex-send.. which i use to whack stuff onto my phonte
[17:11] <crimsun> usm: more detail?
[17:11] <Hackel> usm: Not unless it ships with pulseaudio configured to use dmix by default, the way esd did, which seems unlikely. :/
[17:12] <omar> jng: I installed gnome-bluetooth and still no luck.. weird! ><
[17:12] <usm> crimsun, i have upgarded gutsy to hardy and how i expected, there was sounds problem..
[17:12] <crimsun> usm: what is "sounds problem"?  Be specific, please.
[17:12] <crimsun> Hackel: as I've explained, that breaks.
[17:12] <jng> omar: just found gnome-obex-send dropped.. use: bluetooth-sendto
[17:12] <usm> crimsun, the volume master was not working
[17:13] <usm> i have installed some linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 and ther sounds start working..
[17:14] <usm> but not sure this was right to install that package..
[17:14] <crimsun> Hackel: currently the only way to make it work is to attempt to grab state for the currently installed version before dist-upgrading to hardy, and that's racy, not to mention certainly not guaranteed to work.
[17:15] <crimsun> dimitree: `sudo aptitude reinstall libasound2' failed?
[17:16] <crimsun> yoandy: it's currently broken in the released kernel; it has been fixed (by reverting the culprit git changeset) in ubuntu-hardy.git.
[17:16] <Hackel> crimsun: Are you referring to making sound work after the upgrade, without restarting?  I just meant in general for non-esd/pulse apps.
[17:16] <crimsun> yoandy: i.e., it's fixed in the final Hardy
[17:16] <crimsun> Hackel: I meant in general.
[17:16] <Konstigt> /title
[17:17] <crimsun> Hackel: (which is trivially extensible to the case where one restarts after a dist-upgrade)
[17:17] <yoandy> ok crimsun, thanks!
[17:19] <Hackel> crimsun: I can't claim to know much about it, I just dislike having to kill pulseaudio all the time because it grabs the sound device, whereas esd did not since it used dmix as default.
[17:19] <crimsun> usm asked about two issues above.  His first issue with long bootup times is likely the udev renaming (cf. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules)
[17:19] <crimsun> His second issue has a two-part answer:  he needs to provide codec info (cf. the alsa-info.sh script), and he needs to make sure l-u-m is installed
[17:20] <crimsun> Hackel: that's the wrong approach.  Use pasuspender instead.
[17:20] <crimsun> Hackel: e.g., `pasuspender -- skype'
[17:21] <b47619> the cause of issue has to be a failing onboard video card
[17:21] <Hackel> crimsun: Yes I know that's the right approach for using pulseaudio, I'm just stuck in the camp that doesn't see any benefit of pulseaudio over dmix.  I'll deal with it, of course, I just wonder how new users will figure that out.
[17:21] <Konstigt> been away for a bit over a month and after starting my computer and applying all upgrades my sound is gone. is there any major general problem or is it just me?
[17:22] <c-ron> Konstigt: what sound hardware do you have?
[17:22] <Konstigt> integrated ac'97
[17:22] <Konstigt> Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24d5] (rev 02)
[17:24] <Hackel> It seems like it should be added to the Hardy release notes that icedtea-java7 has been replaced by openjdk-6 so that people can upgrade themselves (if the openjdk-6 packages won't enforce the upgrade automatically).
[17:24] <omar> jng: I've been looking in my hardware information, but I can't seem to find anything about my Bluetooth device.. 0_0
[17:24] <omar> 0_o
[17:25] <c-ron> Konstigt: does your kernel use the snd-hda-intel module?
[17:25] <jng> omar: did you get hciscan to do anything?
[17:25] <crimsun> c-ron: no, it doesn't.
[17:25] <jng> eg after the bluetooth restart
[17:26] <crimsun> c-ron: an ac'97-based codec uses one of the ac'97 drivers, not the HDA driver.
[17:27] <omar> jng: Nope, still, device not available:  no such device, and yeah, after bluetooth restart.
[17:27] <jng> omar: what you using to inspect the hardware
[17:28] <omar> Menu->System->Preferences->Hardware Information.
[17:28] <jng> hmm... i don't have that :(
[17:29] <nemo> *sigh* gvfs sftp is sooooo buggy
[17:29] <omar> jng: Huh? That's impossible.. 0_o
[17:29] <nemo> buggy buggy buggy
[17:30] <jng> can you right click on it and see what its properties are so i can find out what i am missing
[17:30] <omar> jng: Right click on what?
[17:30] <DanaG> hal-device-manager is gone in hardy.
[17:30] <DanaG> Lame.
[17:31] <jng> the entry in the menu
[17:31] <jng> sorry... what i do to find out what is run by a menu entry is right click, turn it into a launcher and look at the properties..
[17:31] <c-ron> Konstigt: some people have to add an 'options' line to their /etc/modprobe.d/sound file to get their soundcard to work properly
[17:31] <jng> there must be an easier way...
[17:32] <macogw> is anyone else unable to import gpg keys using seahorse?  The import buttons seem to not do anything at all
[17:32] <crimsun> DanaG: it wasn't updated anyhow to work with the new hal.
[17:32] <nemo> after trying 6 times to open a friggen sftp mount and getting it to hang each time in file transfer in some new and silly way, just used scp.
[17:32] <nemo> bleah
[17:33] <omar> jng: Sorry, but I'm still not sure what are you talking about..
[17:33] <crimsun> Konstigt: please be more specific (and verbose) in your audio issue description.
[17:33] <nemo> never thought I'd miss gnomevfs - guess I'll just have to use fuse for now
[17:33] <crimsun> Konstigt: i.e., I don't know what you're talking about that's not working.
[17:33] <Konstigt> crimsun: can't get anything to recognize that I even have a sound card
[17:33] <jng> ok.. don't worry omar... what i wanted to know is what app is launched when you fire up hardware information from the menu
[17:34] <Konstigt> crimsun: but the debuggingsoundcard-wiki is a bit out-of-date now since the switch to pulseaudio so I don't really know how to troubleshoot
[17:34] <jng> i think the best way to find that out is fire up main menu from the same menu
[17:34] <omar> jng: The device manager.
[17:34] <crimsun> Konstigt: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh
[17:34] <DanaG> What's changed in HAL to require a new device-manager?
[17:34] <crimsun> Konstigt: then run it.
[17:34] <Konstigt> crimsun: already tried that and got http://pastebin.ca/962259
[17:35] <crimsun> Konstigt: why are you running -386?
[17:35] <crimsun> DanaG: abi
[17:35] <jng> omar: but what is the command that is actually executed?  I'm trying to figure out what package is awol from my system
[17:35] <crimsun> Konstigt: I'm going to guess that you don't have l-u-m installed for -386
[17:36] <vinayy1> hardy boot has become slower than gutsy.
[17:36] <jng> omar.. got it gnome-device-manager
[17:37] <Hackel> Hmm, it seems I am no longer able to view man pages, I just get an empty file.  Has anyone else experienced this?
[17:37] <vinayy1> there seems to be a 30 second pause in between
[17:37] <crimsun> vinayy1: do you have a wifi device?
[17:37] <vinayy1> yes
[17:37] <vinayy1> iwl3495
[17:38] <steph_> Hi everybody. Is there a way to mount /home on a different drive at installation?
[17:38] <vinayy1> sorry, iwp3945
[17:38] <omar> jng: Good! :)
[17:38] <crimsun> vinayy1: try moving /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules somewhere other than /etc/udev/rules.d/
[17:38] <crimsun> vinayy1: also, the iwl and libertas code has been updated, but that won't be in hardy until next week or so
[17:39] <jng> ok that gets me where i can see my bluetooth stuff under the usb adapter
[17:39] <vinayy1> crimsun: my wifi would still work after that right?
[17:39] <jng> omar: doesn't help you though :(
[17:39] <crimsun> vinayy1: yes, you'd need to reboot.  /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules will generate the new rules.
[17:39] <macogw> steph_: the graphical installer should allow it
[17:39] <crimsun> vinayy1: also, that's why I asked to you mv it, not rm it.
[17:40] <DanaG> hal-device-manager still worked fine for me, until I accidentally removed it.
[17:40] <steph_> macogw. If a do another installation, would it be preserved?
[17:40] <vinayy1> crimsun: will try it out.
[17:41] <macogw> steph_: the "manual" option should show all available disks and let you choose which one is /home
[17:41] <macogw> steph_: /home does not get formatted (unless you tell it to)
[17:41] <crimsun> DanaG: it works for some people, but that doesn't preclude that it's not broken.
[17:41] <steph_> macogw; thanks
[17:42] <macogw> any of you use seahorse, or are you all command line ninjas in that regard?
[17:42] <vinayy1> crimsun: will my bootchart.png help analyze this further? I see readahead is taking almost 10 seconds at the very beginning of the boot process.
[17:43] <crimsun> vinayy1: it could, but check those known triggers I mentioned.
[17:43] <crimsun> vinayy1: it's far more probable to be related to one of those two than readahead
[17:43] <Drizzt321> I'm using 8.04 beta, and for some reason in firefox 3b4 I'm not getting any flash audio. any ideas?
[17:43] <DanaG> gnome-device-manager sucks in that it doesn't show names of many things.
[17:44] <DanaG> "Platform Device" "Platform Device" "Platform Device" "Platform Device"
[17:44] <DanaG> "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"
[17:44] <crimsun> Drizzt321: how did you install the Flash plugin?
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  I forget, I upgraded from 7.10. the video works just fine though.
[17:45] <crimsun> Drizzt321: then you need to install libflashsupport, too.
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  ah, ok. thanks!
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  I didn't see that anywhere in the upgrade/release notes though...
[17:46] <crimsun> Drizzt321: because it doesn't cover multiverse.
[17:46] <crimsun> (flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse)
[17:46] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  ah, ok. it would be nice to have it mentioned in one of the upgrade docs, but I understand your point.
[17:46] <crimsun> (and if you installed the plugin through another method, you're on your own)
[17:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, do you happen to know what chip the "CA0109" is?
[17:47] <Drizzt321> will I need to restart firefox after installing the package?
[17:47] <crimsun> Drizzt321: you don't need to, but you might do it anyway
[17:48] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  and it works :)    thanks. I did have to restart firefox
[17:49] <crimsun> DanaG: I don't know offhand, but you probably could drive it using -emu10k1
[17:50] <crimsun> DanaG: depends on the codec info, really
[17:51] <DanaG> It does use that; I was just surprised to see the chip itself not being CA#k#
[17:51] <DanaG> And the Windows one uses the Audigy2 drivers, too.
[17:51] <DanaG> I mean, the Windows drivers are that/
[17:52] <crimsun> it doesn't surprise me at all, really.
[17:52] <crimsun> creative has been rebadging all sorts of codecs
[17:52] <crimsun> their consumer line generally sucked in the past half-decade
[17:53] <DanaG> I know I won't be buying Creative again.
[17:53] <jng> anyone got realplayer (specifically bbc radio) working in hardy?
[17:53] <jng> .. i just get nasty crackling when i got to beeb streams
[17:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it also doesn't seem to do 24-bit under Linux.
[17:55] <DanaG> I wonder what I should get next time... it'd have to be cardbus or expresscard (depending on the notebook), or USB 2.0.  I'd prefer 24-bit, but some people say it actually doesn't matter that much.
[17:56] <crimsun> DanaG: lack of 24-bit is fairly straightforward to add
[17:56] <crimsun> s/add/correct/
[17:56] <kane77> so what's the advantage of pulse?
[17:56] <crimsun> and no, generally 24-bit isn't a discernable difference
[17:56] <Konstigt> crimsun: I haven't really chosen my kernel version, I just booted the first option..
[17:57] <DanaG> I just don't want Creative anymore.
[17:57] <crimsun> kane77: persistent device naming/availability, ability to migrate streams on-the-fly, ability to control stream volumes, avahi integration, etc., etc.
[17:57] <Konstigt> crimsun: but yes it seems that I have it installed, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386. I have nvidia restricted driver running OK.
[17:58] <kane77> crimsun, wow.. cool
[17:58] <crimsun> Konstigt: l-r-m != l-u-m
[17:58] <DanaG> I like the C-Media cards; apparently Asus has bought them.
[17:58] <crimsun> Konstigt: I mean linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r), /not/ linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[17:58] <DanaG> Too bad their USB card has only stereo for analog.
[17:58] <Konstigt> crimsun: aha..
[17:59] <crimsun> Konstigt: [ALSA no longer resides in the base linux-image-$(uname -r) but in linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)]
[17:59] <Konstigt> crimsun: but I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 so that seems so be a good match for my kernel
[17:59] <Konstigt> sorry, wrong paste
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: but OK, you'
[18:00] <kane77> but it just adds one more slider.. now I have 4 that control the volume... alsa - master, PCM, front + pulse - master
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: but OK, you're right. I don't have any ubuntu modules for -386. I will reboot to that kernel instead and make that my default. I have no idea why 386 is the default for me.
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: thanks...
[18:01] <crimsun> Konstigt: because -generic is default, not -386, and for some upgrade reason, -386 resides at the top of your GRUB menu
[18:01] <crimsun> kane77: use pulse - master
[18:02] <kane77> crimsun, but all of them change volume independently
[18:02] <crimsun> kane77: use pavucontrol to control stream volume.  Use pulse - master to control the overall vol
[18:02] <logophobia> hi, wifi is a quirky after I upgraded. Networkmanager seems to work but I seem to have lost the eth1 interface. if I do "sudo ifup eth1" I get a device not found. I have an intel card, ipw3945 driver.
[18:03] <logophobia> cant get wpasupplicant to work because of the missing interface, but networkmanager has no problems
[18:04] <crimsun> logophobia: first, if n-m handles the interfaces, then either the interfaces are commented out or don't exist in interfaces(5)
[18:04] <crimsun> logophobia: second, ensure that the interfaces names haven't changed under you.  See `ip a'.
[18:04] <crimsun> ^ interfaces'
[18:06] <shirish> hi all, I'm trying aptitude to find out about wondershaper but I'm not getting it :(
[18:06] <shirish> aptitude show wondershaper doesn't give anything
[18:06] <shirish> neither does aptitude show shaper
[18:07] <kane77> crimsun, wow I like pavucontrol...
[18:07] <shirish> and this package is there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wondershaper/
[18:08] <shirish> any ideas guys?
[18:08] <evan_> hey how do i do edit CWD in gconf-editor? apps/CWD/ i cant find CWD
[18:08] <Rukus> hi
[18:09] <Rukus> hi i need help with my wireless. its a bcm4318 on ndiswrapper with hardy beta. i get as far as being able to scan using iwlist and finding my router, but no wireless connection to router, stays at 0% and ifconfig even reports that i have a ip address and etc, iwconfig reports no connection.   what can i do to fix this?
[18:09] <Rukus> i used this tutorial:
[18:09] <Rukus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734003
[18:09] <Rukus> inputting a script into my rc.local
[18:09] <Rukus> to make everything work
[18:09] <evan_> i cant find CWD but i do find GWD is that the same?
[18:10] <crimsun> shirish: enable the universe component first
[18:10] <Konstigt> crimsun: ok, on -generic I get sound but now my nvidia graphics card doesnt work
[18:10] <macogw> Rukus: why not use the Linux driver?
[18:11] <Rukus> i couldnt get that working either
[18:11] <Rukus> :(
[18:11] <macogw> oh
[18:11] <macogw> did you get the firmware for it?
[18:11] <crimsun> Konstigt: I hope you didn't remove l-r-m
[18:11] <Rukus> i tried installing it the hardy way, no go. then i tried installing b43-fwcutter using apt-get  (automated) and that wouldnt work
[18:11] <shirish> crimsun: universe should be enabled, how to know if its enabled or not?
[18:12] <macogw> Rukus: wanna try just downloading the firmware and putting it where it goes?
[18:12] <Rukus> i dont know if everything i have done has made a mess or not
[18:12] <HardyOne> shirish, look at /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure there is no # in front of the .deb lines with universe
[18:12] <DanaG> Methinks udev should make rules for wmaster interfaces.
[18:12] <logophobia> crimsun: "ip a" only lists the loopback and eth0 interfaces, there are no eth1 interfaces in the interfaces file, if I add them, wpa_supplicant still can't detect the eth1 interface
[18:12] <Rukus> also, i like the ndiswrapper one better... atleast better than bcm43xx firmware... my range wasnt that great
[18:12] <crimsun> DanaG: ...it does.
[18:13] <macogw> idk how to undo ndiswrapper, but i can tell you that i have the firmware at http://macoafi.googlepages.com/firmware.tar.gz and it goes in /lib/firmware/
[18:13] <Rukus> macogw, i dont even know where to begin or end now.
[18:13] <macogw> its the firmware from the windows driver, so i dont know how that would affect range.  range could be a difference between the older bcm43xx driver and the new b43 one
[18:14] <shirish> HardyOne: there is no # in front of any .deb lines with universe
[18:14] <axisys> I am having trouble removing icedtea-java7-plugin . I get this http://rafb.net/p/J9GXBQ20.html
[18:14] <crimsun> you'll need the newer firmware for b43.  Use jockey, or follow the directions under Users->Download on linuxwireless.org
[18:14] <logophobia> crimsun: also, if I restart the entire networking envir. through init, networkmanager isnt affected, on gutsy it would disconnect/reconnect
[18:14] <Rukus> macogw,  ok... so what do i need to do to purge ndiswrapper? comment out my script, and uninstal ndiswrapper-utils-1.9?
[18:14] <axisys> how do I remove a pkg that is stubborn and does not want to be removed?
[18:15] <Rukus> and un-blacklist bcm43xx?
[18:15] <shirish> axisys: did u try purging it? apt-get purge or aptitude purge
[18:15] <Flannel> axisys: Do what it says, reinstall it first, then remove it
[18:15] <crimsun> shirish: awk '/^deb(.)*universe/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:15] <Rukus> crimsun - i dont understand
[18:16] <Rukus> jockey?
[18:16] <crimsun> Rukus: system>administration>hardware drivers
[18:16] <HardyOne> shirish, then universe is ebabled
[18:16] <shirish> crimsun: still no dice, all show up pretty without a * anywhere in universe
[18:16] <crimsun> shirish: I needed the output.
[18:16] <axisys> shirish, Flannel both failed http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html
[18:16] <Rukus> that doesnt work for me it hard cycles my CPU
[18:17] <Rukus> and wont connect
[18:17] <shirish> crimsun: lemme paste it somewhere
[18:17] <crimsun> Rukus: are you running /current/ hardy?
[18:17] <shirish> !paste
[18:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:17] <Rukus> fans on laptop go nuts
[18:17] <Rukus> System Information for alkasmolik: CPU: AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+	1000.000 MHz, 512 KB Cache RAM: 511 MB HDD: 42 GB OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.24-12-generic Uptime: 12:17:34 up 16 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.03, 0.12, 0.23
[18:17] <crimsun> Rukus: i.e., Beta isn't new enough.
[18:17] <Rukus> errrr
[18:17] <Rukus> ok wait
[18:18] <shirish> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61489/
[18:18] <Rukus> what newer
[18:18] <shirish> HardyOne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61489/ as well
[18:18] <axisys> shirish, Flannel: any other suggestion?
[18:18] <crimsun> logophobia: pastebin your lspci -nv && lspci -v
[18:18] <Rukus> :/
[18:18] <Rukus> i just upgraded on  the 20th/ thats not the newest
[18:18] <crimsun> Rukus: as in, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[18:19] <HardyOne> shirish, that looks right. what is it you are trying to do? I came in half way
[18:19] <crimsun> shirish: and now, sudo aptitude update
[18:20] <Rukus> crimsun, to get rid of ndiswrapper and use firmware, uninstall ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and comment out or delete my script? and i should be ok?
[18:20] <crimsun> Rukus: just don't load ndiswrapper.
[18:20] <shirish> crimsun: HardyOne: I'm looking for a package which is there since september 07, not today
[18:20] <shirish> also I'm fully updated
[18:20] <logophobia> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/d17f270a9
[18:20] <Rukus> crimsun... what do you mean?
[18:21] <crimsun> shirish: well, is it in your apt cache?  (i.e., apt-cache policy wondershaper)
[18:21] <HardyOne> shirish, what package?
[18:21] <shirish> crimsun: HardyOne: the package I'm trying to view is called wondershaper
[18:21] <HardyOne> !info wondershaper
[18:21] <shirish> crimsun: its there in apt-cache
[18:22] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ apt-cache policy wondershaper
[18:22] <shirish> wondershaper:
[18:22] <shirish>   Installed: (none)
[18:22] <shirish>   Candidate: 1.1a-4.1
[18:22] <shirish>   Version table:
[18:22] <shirish>      1.1a-4.1 0
[18:22] <shirish>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[18:22] <shirish> sorry for above
[18:22] <crimsun> shirish: are you pinning?
[18:22] <HardyOne> shirish, sudo aptitude install wondershaper
[18:22] <shirish> what's pinning?
[18:22] <shirish> HardyOne: that didn't work
[18:22] <shirish> I was first interested in getting aptitude to show me info for that package
[18:23] <shirish> as in aptitude show wondershaper
[18:23] <crimsun> shirish: what command are you using to install it?
[18:23] <shirish> sudo aptitude install wondershaper
[18:23] <crimsun> logophobia: that should be resolved in the next l-b-m, l-u-m, and l uploads
[18:23] <shirish> it throws up a no candidate version thing
[18:24] <crimsun> shirish: were you disconnected from the 'net at some point?
[18:24] <Rukus> crimsun how do i "just not load ndiswrapper" ? i dont know, if i dont know i guess the best way it so uninstall it
[18:24] <Rukus> is to*
[18:24] <crimsun> Rukus: check /etc/modules; make sure it's commented out there.
[18:24] <shirish> crimsun: no, never, why do you ask?
[18:24] <HardyOne> shirish, it didnt work? any errors?
[18:24] <Rukus> ok thanks
[18:24] <crimsun> shirish: aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails
[18:25] <shirish> HardyOne: crimsun: now this is strange, now it works , really strange
[18:25] <crimsun> shirish: i.e., you often need to update twice or more if you were disconnected
[18:25] <HardyOne> shirish, well sometimes things need time to work :P
[18:25] <Rukus> well if ndiswrapper wasnt going to load, it should have no problem. its in there 8 times
[18:25] <Konstigt> crimsun: nope i didn't my my lrm is -386 and my kernel is generic now, is that bad? should I re-install the lrm package maybe?
[18:25] <tobi> Hi, i updated from 7.10 to 8.4 and now have problems to get my nvidia cart with the nvidia drivert to work
[18:26] <shirish> crimsun: what do you mean by aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails? Any link where i can find more about that bug/discussion ?
[18:26] <crimsun> Konstigt: err, stick with one kernel, please.  :)  You need both l-r-m and l-u-m for whatever kernel you're using.
[18:26] <tobi> has there anything changed?
[18:27] <tobi> the Non-free Linux 2.6.24 modules are installed
[18:28] <shirish> crimsun: what do you mean by aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails? Any link where i can find more about that bug/discussion ?
[18:28] <Konstigt> crimsun: yes... but there is no lrm-generic, only -386?
[18:29] <tobi> what is the difference between nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-lagacy and nvidia-glx-common?
[18:29] <axisys> any one knows how to remove a stubborn pkg? I am trying to remove this java plugin but failing miserably like this http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html
[18:29] <crimsun> Konstigt: ...yes there is.
[18:29] <crimsun> shirish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationReliability
[18:30] <shirish> crimsun: thanx, signing off for now ;)
[18:30] <oxigen> hey guys, which package i need to install to get Qt SQL driver?
[18:31] <Rukus> thanks crimsun for all the help and everyone else who made input. i have about 350mb updates to install, so after that is down i will try out that firmware again.   One last question.... do i use the option for hardware drivers found in my hardy menu? and that should work? i hard it wasnt functioning...
[18:31] <crimsun> oxigen: Qt 3 or 4?
[18:31] <Rukus> heard*
[18:31] <oxigen> crimsun: donno, for barcode generating... :S
[18:32] <crimsun> oxigen: so use `apt-cache search qt sql'
[18:32] <oxigen> crimsun: thanks! :)
[18:32] <tobi> oxigen: e.g. libqt-mt-odbc
[18:32] <Rukus> also: do i need to unblacklist  bcm43xx from my # /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist:  ??
[18:33] <oxigen> tobi: huh, where did you find exactly this one!? :)
[18:33] <Rukus> or only b43 if it were there?
[18:33] <tobi> oxigen: I searched for "qt db"
[18:34] <Rukus> ?
[18:34] <tobi> is an Nvidia FX5200 nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new
[18:34] <crimsun> Rukus: leave the blacklist alone.
[18:35] <Rukus> ok. but i added a blacklist to bcm43xx
[18:36] <Rukus> ok deal.
[18:36] <Rukus> its replaced by b43
[18:36] <crimsun> you don't need to; it's already present by default.
[18:36] <Rukus> thanks for all the help
[18:36] <crimsun> # replaced by b43 and ssb.
[18:36] <crimsun> blacklist bcm43xx
[18:36] <Rukus> yah
[18:36] <Rukus> then next is my video. its reporting mesa
[18:37] <Rukus> shouldnt be too difficult
[18:40] <Tuv0k> synaptic is showing residual configs for stuff that no longer exists, how can I clear this?
[18:45] <vinayy1> crimsun: it worked. udevadm's time in bootchart came down to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. thanks a lot.
[18:45] <crimsun> np.
[18:45] <crimsun> I'm working on a migrating script for certain known-affected modules, but it probably won't make it into 8.04.
[18:46] <crimsun> particularly since there's an effective workaround (by removing the file I mentioned)
[18:47] <c-ron> Anyone know why Hardy turns off numlock randomly?
[18:49] <crimsun> err, it wouldn't be randomly.  Programmatically, yes, and perhaps racy, but not randomly.
[18:49] <Tuv0k> crimsun, Hello, old friend. If your not too busy, I know you have the answer I need? Residuals in synaptic will not remove, and I was wonder where synaptic is reading this list from, so I may reset, and or purge the list/dir manually?
[18:50] <crimsun> Tuv0k: 1) make sure you're current; 2) run update several times consecutively
[18:50] <Tuv0k> thats all set
[18:50] <Tuv0k> they were old kernel modules files
[18:50] <Tuv0k> and old kernel configs
[18:51] <Tuv0k> physically they were swampping my /boot
[18:51] <Tuv0k> I removed them manually because synaptic would not
[18:53] <crimsun> Tuv0k: if you've installed into those directories manually, the state is different to synaptic's.  Synaptic will not clear those directories, because a "local admin" has effected such changes.
[18:53] <c-ron> Anyone know why numlock turns itself off?
[18:53] <Tuv0k> they were never installed manually
[18:53] <vinayy1> Tuv0k: to remove config files also use "Mark for complete uninstall"
[18:53] <Tuv0k> they were removed via synaptic
[18:53] <Tuv0k> purged
[18:53] <Tuv0k> config all that
[18:54] <Tuv0k> yet they still sit in residual
[18:54] <crimsun> Tuv0k: not "they" being the packages.  I mean /any/ /manual/ modifications - additions - to them.
[18:54] <Tuv0k> hmm
[18:54] <crimsun> (them->directories)
[18:54] <Tuv0k> IC
[18:54] <crimsun> c-ron: can you be more specific?  When does it occur?
[18:54] <Tuv0k> even before I did that I had the problem, I thought removing the files would clean the synaptic reading of the residuals
[18:55] <Tuv0k> which is why I'm sure I did not hit the rifgt directory
[18:55] <c-ron> crimsun: pseudo-randomly ;)
[18:55] <Tuv0k> point being, synaptic is getting this info from somewhere, and I'd like to knwo where
[18:55] <Tuv0k> I've done this a long time ago, and can't seem to remember how again
[18:55] <Flannel> Tuv0k: from dpkg
[18:56] <Tuv0k> Flannel, expound plz?
[18:56] <Flannel> Tuv0k: dpkg tells synaptic everything it knows.
[18:56] <crimsun> c-ron: you're not being very specific.
[18:57] <Tuv0k> Flannel, is there a cache fifle that synaptic is reading this residual list from?
[18:57] <c-ron> crimsun: It happens when I'm doing very unspecific tasks, like 'using my computer to do stuff'
[18:57] <Flannel> Tuv0k: It reads it from dpkg.  `dpkg -l` will give you a list of all the packags (in their various states) on your computer.
[18:57] <crimsun> c-ron: does it only occur when your active tty is in the X Window System?
[18:58] <Flannel> Tuv0k: what are you ultimately trying to accomplish?
[18:58] <c-ron> crimsun: not sure, but thanks for suggesting a starting point
[18:58] <crimsun> c-ron: well, if it does, that's a known issue against the xorg-server source package.
[18:58] <crimsun> c-ron: if it's the specific bug I'm referring to, it's not specific to NumLock.
[18:58] <vinayy1> Tuv0k: the files are in /var/lib/dpkg. mess with them and your warranty is void.
[18:58] <Tuv0k> Flannel, clear the residual list in synaptic simply
[18:59] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=147703
[18:59] <Flannel> Tuv0k: You mean "Old and Local packages" or what?
[18:59] <Tuv0k> just like this guys issue in that thread
[18:59] <Tuv0k> Flannel, no I mean residula configs
[18:59] <c-ron> crimsun: would you happen to have a link to a bug report?
[18:59] <Tuv0k> it has its own list
[19:00] <Flannel> Tuv0k: Those list separation stuff is done by Synaptic, it parses the information it gets from dpkg.  I'd reinstall each package, then apt-get purge them
[19:00] <Flannel> Tuv0k: actually, you can try apt-get purge [package] right now.  No idea if it works without the package being installed or not (like --purge does)
[19:01] <crimsun> c-ron: 194214
[19:07] <Tuv0k> E: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:08] <Tuv0k> thats all I get, and they never remove
[19:08] <Tuv0k> can't reinstall them, because they no longer exist
[19:08] <Tuv0k> even deborphan did not wipe them
[19:08] <c-ron> crimsun: interestingly, i'm affected by that bug, but it doesn't seem to happen with numlock
[19:09] <crimsun> Tuv0k: I take it you've already uninstalled l-i-2.6.24-5-generic?
[19:10] <Tuv0k> yes sir
[19:11] <crimsun> I'm trying to remember if l-b-m triggers an initramfs update
[19:13] <savvas> did anyone else get ##linux spam?
[19:14] <crimsun> Tuv0k: does /var/lib/initramfs-tools/2.6.24-5-generic exist, too?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> yes
[19:15] <Tuv0k> all the old ones!
[19:15] <Tuv0k> I think this maybe it
[19:15] <crimsun> yes, it is
[19:15] <crimsun> I ran across this several months ago
[19:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I can't find anything about ca0109 online.
[19:16] <c-ron> HAHAH
[19:16] <Tuv0k> crimsun, I take it I remove this old files that are showing up in synaptic no?
[19:16] <crimsun> Tuv0k: remove the files in that directory for which linux-image-foo no longer is installed
[19:17] <crimsun> Tuv0k: it's really a bug in initramfs-tools
[19:17] <c-ron> check this bug out: from the terminal in xubuntu: sudo cat /dev/psaux     move the mouse around a bit to get some fun characters, tehn Ctrl+C to end cat.. now try to type a new command
[19:17] <orvokki> Sounds dangerous.
[19:18] <c-ron> hilarously goofy. end terminal and restart it to get back it back to normal.
[19:18] <crimsun> the script isn't able to handle zero-sized files, wich really indicates that there's no existing /boot/initrd.img-foo and thus update-initramfs should not attempt to regenerate an initramfs
[19:18] <crimsun> ^ which
[19:18] <orvokki> c-ron: That is, it should be theoretically possible your mouse triggers an rm -rf / sequence.
[19:18] <orvokki> And that would be run as root...
[19:19] <crimsun> to be robust, that script should verify the existence of /boot/vmlinuz-foo /and/ /boot/initrd.img-foo before attempting an initramfs regeneration
[19:19] <c-ron> orvokki: cat doesn't exectue anything but cat
[19:19] <orvokki> c-ron: Even control codes?
[19:19] <Tuv0k> E: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subproceE: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1ss post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:19] <Tuv0k> ugh
[19:20] <Tuv0k> synaptic is still dumbfounded
[19:20] <crimsun> Tuv0k: then you're hitting another issue.
[19:20] <crimsun> Tuv0k: what happens with sudo dpkg -P --force-depends?
[19:20] <orvokki> c-ron: I'd rather change psaux to be readable by a normal user and then cat it. ;)
[19:21] <c-ron> orvokki: you could do that, but i don't like to change permissions in /dev
[19:22] <Tuv0k> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove 2.6.24-2-generic which isn't installed.
[19:22] <K93> Could anyone help me with an fsck error?  I get a fsck.ext3: Unable to resolved 'UUID=...' trying to check my file system
[19:22] <orvokki> c-ron: Isn't it reset on boot anyway?
[19:22] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there any way I could try my Audigy2 with the ca0106 driver?
[19:23] <eddyMul> any of you running hardy inside kvm inside gutsy?
[19:23] <DanaG> The emu10k1 driver has some bugs: "Error writing to DAC" a bunch of times, and noisy Stereo-Mix capture.
[19:26] <Tuv0k> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/d6acd385b
[19:28] <crimsun> Tuv0k: you'll have to recreate all those directories in /lib/modules/
[19:28] <crimsun> yes, it's messy.
[19:28] <Tuv0k> :0
[19:28]  * Tuv0k weeps
[19:29] <crimsun> eh, it's not that tough
[19:29]  * Tuv0k incessantly
[19:29] <crimsun> it's one mkdir command
[19:29] <Tuv0k> ok
[19:29] <Tuv0k> if thats what it takes
[19:42] <GuyFromHell> Could someone kindly go to a terminal and type in `python -c "import deskbar.core.Utils"` and tell me if you get an error message please :)
[19:48] <warrend> hi
[19:48] <warrend> can someone look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764
[19:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in usplash "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [High,Confirmed]
[19:54] <Tuv0k> crimsun, HOTDIGGITY you just made my day!
[19:54] <Tuv0k> thx bro!
[19:55]  * DanaG hates how his VBE modes don't contain his native resolution.
[20:01] <tgelter> for the last little while, boot-time messages have been printed with extra space everywhere...what I mean is, after about 1/2 of them printed, they start to wander away from the left-hand side of the screen and are printed in the middle, off to the right, etc.
[20:03] <AirBender> anyone using lm-sensors ?  I can't see the Fan RPM sensors in Hardy... quite strange...
[20:04] <mohamed_> hello all i installed nvidia driver more than once and i fail to make it running well and ta end i get mismatch drivers version can anyone help me solve this, this is part from dmesg .. http://phpfi.com/306125
[20:06] <pvandewyngaerde> i had some troubles with my nvidia driver, i removed splash from the grub menu
[20:06] <Zvezdichko> people, does ubuntu change automatically the time tonight, or it's a bios setting
[20:07] <birmaan>  auto
[20:07] <Turski> mohamed_: remove old driver and install new one again
[20:08] <Turski> or if you prefer old one, remove new and reinstall old
[20:08] <mohamed_> Turski, how to remove old one, i think i removed them but it seem not
[20:08] <Turski> did you use installers?
[20:08] <mohamed_> none of OLD or new working  :)
[20:08] <Turski> nvidia's
[20:08] <mohamed_> i use one from ubuntu repository
[20:09] <Turski> oh...
[20:09] <mohamed_> the other from nvidia site
[20:09] <Turski> ah...
[20:09] <mohamed_> at last i use envyng :)
[20:09] <Turski> i think you should have used wiki page ;)
[20:09] <Turski> omg
[20:10] <mohamed_> and remove it also using envyng
[20:10] <Turski> then i'm out of this case ;)
[20:10] <mohamed_> currently i have three vga cards i hope i get any one from them working
[20:10] <Turski> envy should be killed and burned
[20:10] <Turski> and then be burned again
[20:10] <Turski> and buried
[20:10] <mohamed_> nvidia 7100, ATI x600, ATI x1200 builtin
[20:11] <m11> mohamed_: go for 7100 , best bet
[20:11] <Turski> would have been easiest way to use restricted manager
[20:12] <m11> yep
[20:12] <mohamed_> ok, then 7100 but can someone tell me how to remove all nvidia related then start clean ?
[20:12] <Turski> remove all of those wich you installed
[20:12] <DanaG> Wait, X600 has open-source drivers.  Are they not good?
[20:12] <mohamed_> i make this remove and install clean one then get mismatch drivers
[20:12] <Turski> thath one wich you installed from installer you can remove by installer with switch --uninstall
[20:13] <mohamed_> Turski, one of them i install it this way ...
[20:13] <mohamed_> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[20:13] <mohamed_> how to remove this ?
[20:14] <Turski> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run --uninstall
[20:14] <mohamed_> i try now
[20:16] <mohamed_> <-- restart
[20:18] <demogorgon15> hello
[20:19] <Turski> hi
[20:19] <demogorgon15> when the 8.04 beta is complete will there be a simple upgrade to stable version or will i have to do a download / reinstall?
[20:19] <ethana2> you can always upgrade
[20:19] <crdlb> !final
[20:19] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:20] <demogorgon15> ah ok, thank you
[20:21] <mohamed_> re
[20:22] <AirBender> lm-sensors not showing the FAN speeds... anyone with the same issue?
[20:22] <mohamed_> now i thin i hope that everything related to nvidia removed
[20:23] <mohamed_> vga make me write anything :)
[20:25] <mohamed_> then the better to install  nvidia driver from repository or from drivers i download from nvidia ?
[20:25] <birmaan> hiddenwolf,gaat niet
[20:29] <Turski> mohamed_: restricted manager
[20:29] <mohamed_> thx, Turski i do now
[20:29] <iositd> i'm having trouble running vbox on hardy using host only networking. It will not boot when enabling the host only adapter
[20:32] <Synergy> Could someone please help me? I am currenty using Windows, and Dual-booting Hardy Heron. However, to use any distrubution of linux I need to download and install ndiswrapper for my wireless network card. However, being very new to linux, I am not sure how I would go about installing ndiswrapper. I downloaded thier latest stable version.
[20:33] <HardyOne> !ndiswrapper
[20:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:33] <HardyOne> Synergy, follow the instructions on the above link it should walk you through it
[20:34] <Synergy> Alright.
[20:35] <Synergy> See. Im just not sure how to install it. The docs are saying things like:   sudo apt-get install build-essential dh-make gcc-3.4 fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`
[20:35] <Synergy> I have no clue what that means.
[20:37] <riskbreaker> hi guys. i have a gateway mt6840. the touch pad on this has a nice little separated area on the right where its supposed to scroll stuff. that works. unfortunately, part of the touchpad that's not supposed to scroll also scrolls. how can i fix this?
[20:38] <RichW> How do I change the mouse pointer/cursor?
[20:40] <NTAuthority> huh, hardy has X.org 7.3, I thought the newest was 7.4?
[20:41] <RichW> NTAuthority, No its .3
[20:41] <Flannel> NTAuthority: Nope, current is 7.3 according to their website
[20:41] <RichW> 7.4 is currently under development, and is scheduled to be released in May 2008.
[20:41] <NTAuthority> ah, probably got confused with xserver-xorg-core package versions :)
[20:42] <axisys> anyone can help me with this http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html ?
[20:45] <gotgnu> I have no keyboard when I go to install what should I do to fix it ?
[20:46] <AtomicSpark> i recently installed the new 8.04 beta server cd on a hp netserver 4something and i had that "doesn't go past loading local boot scripts" issue. now i've had this on my notebook for 7.10 alt and 8.04 both desktop too. is this a issue with the installer? it can't be drivers if this happens on more then one machine, especially one that doesn't use GUI.
[20:47] <riskbreaker> were all the touchpad configuration programs removed from hardy? except for gsynaptic that is
[20:48] <gotgnu> and I have no legacy bios support so that won't
[20:48] <riskbreaker> it seems like it, which is a shame because gsynaptic is not useful for anything.
[20:48] <gotgnu> work
[20:49] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: without USB support in the BIOS, you should get USB access working after the initrd loads usb-hid stuff
[20:49] <gotgnu> NTAuthority: if I am dual booting I can get to the other system
[20:50] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: so you DO have usb support in your BIOS, just not disableable... ;-)
[20:50] <gotgnu> NTAuthority: yes it has always worked
[20:51] <gotgnu> but now with both ubuntu hsrdy and foresight linux it does not
[20:51] <gotgnu> hardy*
[20:52] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: weird, something wrong with usb-hid drivers, should not be possible :|
[20:52]  * DanaG just uses xorg.conf directly.
[20:52] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[20:52] <DanaG> Lookie at all the cool stuff there.
[20:53] <gotgnu> I hope this is not a new trend for linux distros
[20:53] <DanaG> Oh, and evdev has been "broken" also.
[20:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:00] <clarezoe> what will happen if I remove gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment
[21:01] <gotgnu> NTAuthority:  so I guess there is nothing I can do ?
[21:01] <Flannel> clarezoe: They're metapackages, so not much of anything
[21:02] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: check out any log stuff about usb-hid in the kernel logs, which should still be strange -- usb HID is really important
[21:03] <clarezoe> Flannel, so if I remove them, can I still have desktop environment??
[21:03] <Flannel> clarezoe: yes
[21:03] <clarezoe> Flannel, thanks
[21:04] <Flannel> clarezoe: Is there any reason you're using gnome-desktop-environment instead of ubuntu-desktop?
[21:05] <clarezoe> Flannel, I didn't install it by myself, it might be some dependency, I'm not sure. I'm trying to uninstall nautilus and it says those packages will be removed automatically
[21:05] <Flannel> clarezoe: Interesting.  Well, yeah, removing nautilus should remove those, but its no cause for alarm.
[21:07] <clarezoe> Flannel, actually, gnome-backgrounds gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-sendto ubuntu-desktop are removed
[21:07] <Flannel> Ah, there's ubuntu-desktop.  Yeah, those alllook normal to be required to be removed
[21:08] <clarezoe> Flannel, no harm for my desktop, right?
[21:09] <Flannel> clarezoe: right (except the lack of nautilus)
[21:10] <clarezoe> Flannel, that's good, I don't like nautilus actually, it eats too much my memory, I use pcmanfm instead ^_^
[21:12] <jack|Helium>  I'm having an odd issue in hardy beta. I just compiled a custom kernel (my laptop is older, and I'm trying to minimize unneeded features, etc. Plus I wanted to try tuxonice), and the output .deb is > 500 MB is size. I installed filelight and discovered that when installed, the 500 MB is almost entirely taken up by the modules directory (/lib/modules...). Does anyone know why the modules dir is so big? I need to get it down be
[21:12] <jack|Helium> cause I only have a 10 GB disk... Are there really 500 MB of modules in there? Did I do some config wrong?
[21:14] <thegotogeek> Could someone help me get my S3 Chrome Graphics Card Driver to install in Gutsy Gibbons
[21:14] <evan__> hey what does this error mean?? .: 4: gnome-autogen.sh: not found
[21:15] <thegotogeek> evan
[21:15] <thegotogeek> what version of ubuntu are you in
[21:15] <thegotogeek> ?
[21:15] <evan__> the newest
[21:15] <evan__> why?
[21:15] <evan__> hardy heron
[21:16] <thegotogeek> So whats the latest Version?
[21:16] <jack|Helium> thegotogeek: if you're using gutsy, probably you should ask in the regular ubuntu channel...
[21:16] <TheInfinity> thegotogeek: this is a beta channel
[21:16] <thegotogeek> Oh well they told me in the Normal Channel to come here.
[21:16] <TheInfinity> so if you use the stable verstion -> #ubuntu
[21:16] <TheInfinity> if you use hardy you are right here
[21:17] <jack|Helium> while there are people around: has anyone here compiled their own kernel on hardy?
[21:17] <jack|Helium> I did, and it came out with >500 MB of modules
[21:17] <Hustle> I read that Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now the default browser for Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. The final stable version of Ubuntu will be released in April 2008, but the stable version of Firefox 3 will be released later this year. Will Firefox in Beta version be in the final release of Ubunutu 8?
[21:18] <jack|Helium> heh, I was kindof wondering that too...
[21:18] <evan__> but none know how i can fox my error?
[21:19] <jack|Helium> evan__: you probably need to give more details
[21:19] <jack|Helium> evan__: what you were doing, what else was happening, what programs were running, etc...
[21:21] <evan__> jack|Helium, i did from this site http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/BuildFromScratch?updated=BuildFromScratch&ts=1204258474 this command --> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local
[21:22] <riskbreaker> so this new mac80211 stack... broke just about everything didn't it
[21:22] <riskbreaker> i have a 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[21:22] <riskbreaker> and wireless does not work
[21:24] <tic^> riskbreaker,  i have that network card built in on my laptop. i have wireless running now as we type here.
[21:24] <jack|Helium> evan__: I can't really help you with that. It's possible that the code from svn has a bug, but I dont really know
[21:24] <sourcemaker> is there a medibuntu repository for hardy?
[21:25] <evan__> jack|Helium, no im missing develop ment packages
[21:25] <evan__> jack|Helium, i installed gnome-common and now i got further
[21:25] <HardyOne> sourcemaker, no use the gutsy
[21:26] <jack|Helium> evan__: ahh, ok
[21:26] <jack|Helium> HardyOne: are you sure, I thought there was...
[21:26] <evan__> but now ive another error :P gtk-doc.m4 not found do you know what package i need for that?
[21:26] <jack|Helium> evan__: http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/InstallingonUbuntu
[21:26] <jack|Helium> did you try that?
[21:26] <HardyOne> jack|Helium, NOT THAT i KNOW OF
[21:26] <HardyOne> errrrr
[21:26] <daedra> what's the best way to go about testing hardy?
[21:26] <sourcemaker> can I enable the pre-released and unsupported repository or is it realy unsafe to do that?
[21:26] <daedra> install EVERYTHING and see what breaks?
[21:27] <HardyOne> daedra, install it
[21:27] <HardyOne> daedra, everything?
[21:27] <jack|Helium> HardyOne: fun with caps lock. Possible the most inconveniently placed key on the keyboard
[21:27] <HardyOne> jack|Helium, yup it is
[21:27] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo aptitude install *      lol
[21:27] <daedra> it's on the home row for dvoraks sake!
[21:28] <riskbreaker> tic^: did you have to do aynthing?
[21:28] <daedra> i guess my job is done... same things work/don't work as in gutsy
[21:29] <HardyOne> daedra, you should receive your testers compentsation check in 6 to 8 weeks provided you clicked the box when you installed/upgraded
[21:29] <daedra> ^_^
[21:30] <HardyOne> :P
[21:30] <tic^> riskbreaker, no just installed hardy on a clean drive, got all the updates, left click on network manager icon, click on connect to new network and entered my routers info.
[21:30] <daedra> clicked it 3 times
[21:30] <tic^> work for me
[21:30] <tic^> worked
[21:30] <jack|Helium> yeah, there is a hardy repo for medibuntu, but I dont think it's any different from the gutsy one
[21:30] <riskbreaker> so you haveto do it manually
[21:30] <jack|Helium> I knew I should have clicked the box...
[21:30] <tic^> connect to my netwrok yes, ir is a hidden network
[21:31] <jack|Helium> anyone know why my custom compiled kernel came out with >500 MB of modules?
[21:31]  * orvokki suspects that you enabled everything via menuconfig
[21:32] <jack|Helium> I could check, but I doubt it. I took the config from the working kernel and made changes from there
[21:32] <jack|Helium> could it have happened when I applied the tuxonice patch?
[21:32] <riskbreaker> it doesnt work here. where should i look for error messages
[21:33] <riskbreaker> it doesnt work here. i get some pretty bad stuff in dmesg. gimme a sec to pastebin it
[21:34] <jast-mxm> has anyone tried running vmware in hardy?
[21:34] <root____2>  
[21:35] <riskbreaker> http://pastebin.com/m3083d58b
[21:35] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: i tried vmware tools
[21:35] <Ramunas> hello, I have a problem, I have set "vlc %s" as my default media app, and gnome-open still opens up totem
[21:35] <jast-mxm> well if i want to run a guest os would i have much luck?
[21:35] <foobat> How do I force a fsck of root filesystem on boot?
[21:36] <nemo> foobat: er. there's that file you add in /
[21:36] <nemo> ferget the name
[21:36] <nemo> one-sec
[21:36] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: there are some unofficial patches for kernel 2.6.24
[21:36] <TheInfinity> dont remember the name ...
[21:36] <jast-mxm> ok, i was wondering because i saw a thread about gutsy having it in the repos
[21:36] <jast-mxm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[21:36] <nemo> forcefsk
[21:37] <nemo> touch /forcefsk
[21:37] <foobat> nemo: Thanks.
[21:37] <nemo> er
[21:37] <nemo> forcefsck
[21:37] <nemo> sorry :)
[21:37] <Dr_willis> foobat,  thers a file you create.    like nemo  said. :) i think theres another way also..
[21:37] <nemo> Dr_willis: can be passed as a kernel param too I think, but I never remember that one
[21:37] <nemo> Dr_willis: and booting in singleuser mode should do it too
[21:38] <nemo> the fsk instead of fsck was due to JFGI
[21:38] <jast-mxm> so vmware server will be what i want to use to install the guest os, and will i be able to run it from there as well?
[21:39] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: if you bring some time to test it, to debug etc?
[21:39] <Dr_willis> i install vmware server on my guest and servers. :) since on the guest box's i often want to test live cd's :)
[21:39] <riskbreaker> anyone know what to do about those error messages? they're pretty heinous... http://pastebin.com/m3083d58b
[21:40] <Dr_willis> riskbreaker,  give a little summary?  Not everyone in the channel has a web browser.
[21:41] <ryanov> Anyone else using hplip with hardy?
[21:41] <ryanov> There would sort of appear to be a missing file.
[21:42] <riskbreaker> #[ 2588.051088] wlan0: associate with AP 00:09:5b:d8:3f:da [ 2588.053428] wlan0: invalid aid value 0; bits 15:14 not set [ 2588.053438] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:09:5b:d8:3f:da (capab=0x5 status=18 aid=0)  [ 2588.053443] wlan0: AP denied association (code=18)
[21:43] <jast-mxm> theinfinity: i have plenty of time
[21:43] <jast-mxm> theinfinity: i'm downloading vmware server right now
[21:44] <mohamed_> nvidia driver now installed , but still refresh rate very low, is there a method to adjust refresh rate well ?
[21:46] <guerby> hi, I've upgraded my laptop from gutsy to hardy beta, is there a way to clean menus & toolbar to get the default hardy menus & toolbars (instead of the old ones from gutsy)?
[21:48] <riskbreaker> seems to have to do with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/190968
[21:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190968 in linux "[hardy] [regression] iwl3945 doesn't associate on kernel 2.6.24-7" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:48] <Roey> jussi01:  heya
[21:48] <riskbreaker> the fix currently seems to deal with downgrading to kernel #5
[21:49] <riskbreaker> how would i do that
[21:49] <Roey> jussi01:  regarding the Intel ICH9 issue, you mentioned it'd be fixed by the release of Hardy
[21:49] <riskbreaker> 2.6.24-5 i mean
[21:49] <Roey> jussi01:  I'm thinking maybe it was fixed and all I have to do is reboot (I always run apt-get dist0upgrade, heeh)
[21:50] <jussi01> Roey: as far as i understand it was fixed, but now you say that im not certain
[21:50] <jast-mxm> wait...why are you on 2.6.24-7?
[21:50] <jast-mxm> i'm on 12
[21:50] <riskbreaker> i'm not on 7
[21:50] <jast-mxm> oh ok
[21:50] <riskbreaker> but evidently, it's not fixed.
[21:50] <jast-mxm> in 12?
[21:51] <riskbreaker> i have the identical problem...
[21:51] <riskbreaker> and the bug report isnt labeled "Solved"
[21:51] <riskbreaker> so i'd like to try downgrading - but i dont know how
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: Associating with what?
[21:54] <riskbreaker> access point?
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: What kind?
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: Why aren't you running -12?
[21:55] <ryanov> The reason I question the need for you to do that is I am currently typing to you over a 3945.
[21:55] <riskbreaker> i am running 12
[21:55] <riskbreaker> it dstill doesnt seem to be working
[21:56] <riskbreaker> i mean ou can see my dmesg in that pastebin i posted up there
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  I have the card connected to my receiver via coax digital out
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  ordinarily on my previous system I could set the digital out to just mirror all PCM output
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  but I don't see that I have any control of IEC598 here at all
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  alsamixer lists it, but I don't see that I can effect it in any way
[21:58] <ryanov> Hmm.
[21:58] <ryanov> Well, you can certainly try downgrading.
[21:58] <ryanov> I belive it involves specifying the version number when doing aptitude install.
[21:58] <riskbreaker> if you dont mind me asking, what laptop are you running
[21:58] <riskbreaker> im on a gateway mt6840
[21:59] <ryanov> Dell Latitude D620
[22:00] <nemo> riskbreaker: intel wireless card?
[22:00] <mdke> hi. My sound has disappeared in hardy. Any ideas on how to start finding out how to fix it?
[22:00] <riskbreaker> nemo: yup
[22:00] <tic^> toshiba satellite here with 3945 working
[22:00] <nemo> mdke: try switching your sound sink from auto to alsa or something?
[22:00] <nemo> tic^: similar laptop, not working
[22:00] <nemo> iwl3945
[22:00] <nemo> http://pastebin.ca/960388 <- my output
[22:01] <riskbreaker> its a shame. everything else just works(m)
[22:01] <nemo> not same as riskbreaker, but also pretty broken
[22:01] <riskbreaker> (tm)*
[22:01] <nemo> this new wireless core in kernel is pretty shaky
[22:01] <riskbreaker> yeah
[22:01] <nemo> I'd switch back to ipw3945 if it existed for 2.6.24
[22:01] <riskbreaker> this is actually my girlfriend's laptop
[22:01] <riskbreaker> it's like the peeeerfect linux laptop - BUT NO WIRELESS for mysterious reasons
[22:01] <nemo> on my to-do list is to try building it by hand
[22:01] <riskbreaker> my dell inspiron 1501 isn't working with wireless either
[22:01] <nemo> also intel?
[22:01] <riskbreaker> actually it connects but i get like 3kb/sec through it, which wasn't true in gutsy
[22:01] <riskbreaker> no broadcom
[22:02] <nemo> oh. interesting
[22:02] <ryanov> Well, riskbreaker, you could certainly go get the package on packages.ubuntu.com, and then install it manually.
[22:02] <ryanov> I think there is a way to do it better than that, but I can't figure it out right now.
[22:02] <nemo> ryanov: what packages?
[22:02] <nemo> ryanov: switching to an older kernel?
[22:02] <ryanov> linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic I think is what he wanted.
[22:02] <tic^> riskbreaker, you have wpa or wpa2 selected in router?
[22:02] <mdke> nemo: none of them seem to work
[22:02] <riskbreaker> tic^: router is unsecured
[22:03] <Roey> hi again.
[22:03] <riskbreaker> for now
[22:03] <nemo> mdke: your soundcard *is* detected right?
[22:03] <tic^> riskbreaker, broadcsting ssid also?
[22:03] <Roey>  I have a Realtek ALC888 sound chip, and ALSAMixer sees it, but I'm experiencing difficulty getting sound to come out of the SPDIF coax out
[22:03] <riskbreaker> tic^: yes.
[22:03] <Roey> can anyone help me?
[22:03] <mdke> nemo: yes
[22:03] <mdke> nemo: sound worked with the beta until I upgraded overnight
[22:04] <nemo> mdke: dunno. pastebin the usual logs? *shrug*
[22:04] <ryanov> True, I have not tried an unsecured AP.
[22:04] <ryanov> Mine is WEP128.
[22:04] <ryanov> Other end is hermesap.
[22:04] <mdke> nemo: which are the usual logs?
[22:05] <nemo> mdke: dmesg, Xorg, syslog, xsession errors.
[22:06] <nemo> you know.
[22:06] <nemo> any place something might be complaining
[22:06] <nemo> and of course STDERR/STDOUT for any app that might make sound - like, trying to play totem from a gnome-terminal to see what it says
[22:06] <nemo> (those would probably be in ~/.xsession-errors though
[22:06] <nemo> )
[22:07] <nemo> riskbreaker: join me on the intel wireless chat chan
[22:07] <nemo> we can bombard them with logs until someone notices :)
[22:07] <jturk> I've got a reproducible crash but can't seem to figure out who it'll belong to
[22:07] <nemo> riskbreaker: #ipw2100
[22:08] <jturk> Hardy, FF3b4, Twitterfox 1.5.3, with twitterfox open, switching away from FF then back requires a hard reboot.. cpu usage goes to 100% immediately then system won't respond not even to ctrl-alt-bksp
[22:09] <mdke> nemo: I don't see anything obviously audio related. No worries, I was just curious in case there was a known problem with audio. I'll wait and see if it resolves itself with a few upgrades
[22:09] <nemo> works fine here, and I updated like 2h ago :)
[22:09] <mdke> nemo: k
[22:11] <dubby> hey anyone im trying to mount an ntfs file system and its giving me an error on hardy i have not seen before, using ntfs-3g it says cannot mount because it is a read-only file system
[22:11] <dubby> i never came across this in gutsy
[22:12] <ryanov> How are you mounting it?
[22:12] <dubby> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/mount
[22:12] <dubby> and tryed a combination of -o force
[22:13] <ryanov> You could try -orw on there. <shrug>
[22:13] <ryanov> I'm not sure I've ever used NTFS-3g
[22:13] <AaronMT> Is there an existing bug with network manager that causes B43-fwcutter not to display wireless waypoints?
[22:15] <riskbreaker> yeah nemo there's no one in that chat.
[22:15] <riskbreaker> made a new pastebin though
[22:15] <riskbreaker>  http://pastebin.com/m26fba3cc
[22:16] <bicyclis1> dubby could it be that the filesystem has errors on it ? That is what happens to me when i can't mount an ntfs filesystem
[22:16] <crimsun> rencore_: be more specific, please.
[22:16] <bicyclis1> first have to repair it via either windows or at least a vm
[22:17] <rencore_> crimsun, when i try and boot into hardy i get a kernal panic error saying that the filesystem doesnt match up with the kernel
[22:17] <rencore_> thats after i updated this morning
[22:17] <crimsun> rencore_: huh?  Do you have a digital photo or pastebin of the initramfs error?
[22:17] <rencore_> uhh one sec lemme get my lappy
[22:18] <Roey> hi crimsun
[22:18] <crimsun> hi Roey
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun, I have a Realtek ALC888 sound chip, and ALSAMixer sees it, but I'm experiencing difficulty getting sound to come out of the SPDIF coax out
[22:19] <Roey> couldja help me?
[22:19] <crimsun> plug:spdif and plug:iec958 don't work?
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun:  for what?
[22:19] <Roey> wher ewould I put that?
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun:  /etc/alsa.conf ?
[22:20] <rencore_> ok here is what i get when i boot into recovery
[22:20] <rencore_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61514/
[22:20] <crimsun> Roey: no, on the cli, e.g., `aplay -Dplug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[22:21] <Roey> ah, one sec
[22:22] <Roey> crimsun:  hmm,. none
[22:22] <Roey> crimsun:  I don't hear any sound
[22:22] <Roey> mayeb it's the connection witht the receiver
[22:22] <crimsun> Roey: are your mixer elements' levels set appropriately?
[22:24] <Hustle> I read that Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now the default browser for Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. The final stable version of Ubuntu will be released in April 2008, but the stable version of Firefox 3 will be released later this year. Will Firefox in Beta version be in the final release of Ubunutu 8?
[22:24] <ryanov> Sounds like, in that case.
[22:25] <ryanov> It's not the default browser, though...
[22:25] <ryanov> It's the version of Firefox that is included.
[22:25] <ryanov> Well, wait, I actually can't speak for GNOME
[22:25] <ryanov> KDE's default is Konqueror.
[22:26] <rencore_> crimsun, any ideas?
[22:26] <Artimus> Hustle: There was a Gimp RC in Gutsy for quite a while.  Not much of a difference.
[22:26] <Hustle> Firefox 3 Beta 4
[22:26] <Hustle> Firefox 3 Beta 4 replaces Firefox 2 as the default browser, bringing much better system integration including GTK2 form buttons and common dialogs. and icon theming that matches the system.
[22:27] <Hustle> hmm
[22:27] <crimsun> rencore_: sec, I'm busy ATM
[22:27] <riskbreaker> while im here. i like Firefox 3, but i like the way the windows version's back/forward buttons look
[22:27] <riskbreaker> anyway to get those on here?
[22:28] <crimsun> rencore_: are you using enciphered root on LVM or anything along those lines?
[22:28] <dubbydubby> hey it was due to corrupt file system, not linux thanx to those who answered me
[22:29] <guerby> hi, I've upgraded my laptop from gutsy to hardy beta, is there a way to clean menus & toolbar to get the default hardy menus & toolbars (instead of the old ones from gutsy)?
[22:29] <rencore_> crimsun, i dunno
[22:29] <rencore_> crimsun, prolly not
[22:30] <riskbreaker> by the way
[22:30] <crimsun> rencore_: if you have a desktop cd handy, reboot into it and regenerate hardy's initramfs
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out how to get surround in pulseaudio.
[22:30] <riskbreaker> whoever suggested going to packages.ubuntu.com for the old kernel
[22:30] <riskbreaker> its not there...
[22:30] <riskbreaker> ...
[22:30] <DanaG> I had to set it to default to 6 channels.
[22:31] <DanaG> Unfortunately, that also renders me unable to play on my speakers _without- upmixing.
[22:31] <soto> How do I list LVM groups and the partitions they use?
[22:31] <crimsun> riskbreaker: use launchpad.net, not packages.ubuntu.com
[22:32] <crimsun> riskbreaker: (technically they're archived on launchpadlibrarian.net)
[22:32] <riskbreaker> any further directions you can give?
[22:32] <AaronMT> Prior to 8.04 launch, will the release include OO 2.4?
[22:32] <crimsun> riskbreaker: well, if you can ask a more precise question - perhaps
[22:33] <riskbreaker> https://launchpad.net/linux
[22:33] <riskbreaker> from there how do i get to a deb package of 2.6.24-5
[22:33] <crimsun> riskbreaker: for which arch?
[22:34] <riskbreaker> 386
[22:35] <crimsun> riskbreaker: so you're using -generic?
[22:35] <riskbreaker> yup
[22:35] <riskbreaker> what's the difference, by the way?
[22:36] <crimsun> riskbreaker: the arch I asked for doesn't really tell me much.  I needed to know which package you used.
[22:36] <riskbreaker> ah
[22:36] <rencore_> crimsun, that did the trick thanks
[22:37] <crimsun> rencore_: np
[22:39] <crimsun> riskbreaker: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-5.8/+build/498469
[22:39] <crimsun> riskbreaker: remove "edge." if you're not in the LP beta group
[22:39] <riskbreaker> thanks!
[22:40] <riskbreaker> lp beta...?
[22:40] <crimsun> it'll be self-evident if you need to remove "beta." from the URL
[22:40] <riskbreaker> well the url worked.
[22:40] <Roey> crimsun:  I checked with alsamixer....it /seeems/ ok... I don't know how I can map IEC958 to output PCM, though, as with my old card
[22:40] <Roey> here, I don't seem to have any options with it
[22:41] <crimsun> Roey: start by running the alsa-info.sh script.
[22:41] <riskbreaker> but, crimsun: how do i get a package of this
[22:41] <Roey> crimsun:  ah, rightright
[22:42] <crimsun> riskbreaker: choose the appropriate package name on the left side
[22:42] <sourcemaker> what's the right package for flash support mozilla?
[22:42] <crimsun> sourcemaker: flashplugin-nonfree
[22:42] <sourcemaker> crimsun: thanks
[22:42] <crimsun> np
[22:42] <riskbreaker> so i'll use dpkg on that and then reboot - sound about right?
[22:43] <Roey> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/962648
[22:43] <tanner> i hate saturdays
[22:43] <Roey> :)
[22:43] <riskbreaker> wtf saturday's the best day of the week
[22:43] <tanner> not when there isnt jack on tv to watch and i've exhausted my movie supply
[22:44] <riskbreaker> tanner: you win this round.
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  I can certainly identify with you on "there isn't jack on TV to watch"
[22:44] <crimsun> sudo -k
[22:44] <crimsun> err, sorry
[22:44] <tanner> :D
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  80% of TV at any given moment is trash
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  and commercials
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  B-budget sci-fi channel crud
[22:44] <riskbreaker> crimsun: just install it and reboot? do i have to select it somewhere else?
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  I usually turn it to Animal Planet
[22:45] <tanner> well, most of the "tv" i watch is downloaded the day after it airs ;)
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  ah :)
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  see, I dont' have patience to watch a full episode
[22:45] <Roey> of antyhign
[22:45] <crimsun> riskbreaker: err, I had assumed you were familiar with that procedure if you're trawling for older kernel packages.
[22:45] <riskbreaker> i am downgrading because of a problem with my wifi driver
[22:46] <Roey> crimsun:  sudo -k?
[22:46] <crimsun> riskbreaker: you need at least linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic and possibly linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-generic
[22:46] <tanner> not too many great shows on, especially this time of year, but a few worth watching, and of course ones that are good repeated a million times, such as House, or Scrubs or South Park and Family Guy and Futurama, etc etc. the Riches is a decent show, outside that, everything else sucks at the moment :(
[22:46] <crimsun> riskbreaker: after that, you need to ensure that your bootloader is updated properly (which should be handled automatically if you haven't made any modifications)
[22:46] <Roey> tanner:  aye :)
[22:47] <Roey> tanner:  your first name is Tanner?  My co-worker named his son Tanner, too
[22:47] <Roey> his 8-year old son
[22:47] <riskbreaker> restricted-modules isn't on that page you linked to me. d'oh
[22:47] <tanner> yeah, i got my name before it was popular 20 years ago ;)
[22:47] <Roey> :)
[22:47] <Roey> you're 20
[22:47] <Roey> ?
[22:47] <tanner> indeed
[22:47] <Roey> <-- 27
[22:47] <Roey> cool
[22:47] <crimsun> riskbreaker: ...it's a different source package.
[22:48] <crimsun> riskbreaker: i.e., linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24
[22:48]  * tanner is currently rewatching the part of the movie "Gladiator" he missed last night cause he was stood up at 5am in the park :(
[22:49] <thompa> lots of updates but I still got 2 major problems: usb devices on one box, atheros on note
[22:49] <thompa> Is it the kernel maybe?
[22:49] <gluer> hey how do i rip those new DVD's that wont read properly? what app do i use in hardy? just hired some dvd's last night
[22:49] <crimsun> thompa: impossible to tell without further detail.
[22:50] <nickrud> !piracy | gluer
[22:50] <ubotu> gluer: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[22:50] <gluer> lol
[22:50] <DanaG> rip ≢ pirate
[22:50] <tanner> gluer: i dont believe any open source package has the ability to rip them just yet, however Windows software does exist
[22:50] <nickrud> DanaG he hired them, not bought them
[22:50] <thompa> gluer: i used dvd rip or something
[22:50] <DanaG> Hired?
[22:50] <thompa> gluer: search in add remove dvd
[22:50] <nickrud> rented
[22:50] <DanaG> aah.
[22:51] <gluer> we say hired in australia
[22:51] <DanaG> I didn't see that.
[22:51] <tanner> i hired some DVDs
[22:51] <nickrud> gluer so, please refrain
[22:51] <gluer> yeh
[22:51] <DanaG> aah.
[22:51] <thompa> crimsun: laptop is still booting, here my walkman wont mount
[22:51] <tanner> they replay this one movie as many times as i command
[22:51] <tanner> hell i can even have them only play a given scene if i so choose!
[22:52] <thompa> crimsun: on the latwst 386 no such device, but on 64 upgraded from alpha yes
[22:52] <gluer> well when i hire something, its mine until the time i have to give it back, what i choose to do with it is up to me
[22:52] <gluer> lol
[22:52] <thompa> crimsun: i can add it to fstab but ..
[22:52] <crimsun> thompa: if it's detected at all, it's not a kernel issue
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: then what about acer_acpi
[22:53] <crimsun> thompa: ...what about it?
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: its what broke
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: maybe you can help, what is the new name for it in the kernel?
[22:53] <crimsun> thompa: what does it have to do with hal, gnome-mount, and usb mass storage?
[22:54] <thompa> crimsun: on the notebook i can build madwifi on atheros device, until latest upgrade
[22:54] <thompa> crimsun: the restricted drivers is the only thing new i notice
[22:55] <crimsun> thompa: please enumerate all the issues, in one sentence, that you feel originate in the kernel.
[22:57] <Roey> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/962648
[22:57] <thompa> thompa: since last kernel upgrade there are some device changes, and atheros on acer 5520  issue was resolved by adding acpi_kernel for wireless, well since then I can neither build it or get it to comeup
[22:58] <thompa> ark5 is one, why is it coming up with different names depending on version
[22:58] <thompa> so im clueless
[22:58] <riskbreaker> crimsun: i can't find linux-restricted-modules... even the launchpad search returns no results
[22:58] <tanner> this movie is so gory, its wonderful =)
[22:59] <crimsun> riskbreaker: you can't find the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 source package as I noted above?
[22:59] <thompa> crimsun: I can try backports, maybe acer_acpi  that works is there
[23:00] <crimsun> thompa: are you implying that acer_acpi as distributed in 12.22 neither loads nor works?
[23:00] <thompa> if i can still find the post it says acer_acpi being backported
[23:01] <thompa> crimsun: there is one acer_acpi patch on madwifi for these acer types
[23:02] <thompa> crimsun: but that i cant build, and the acer_acpi i used from google code is stopped dev
[23:02] <riskbreaker> i went to edge.launchpad.net and typed linux-restricted-modules in the search bar and no results
[23:03] <thompa> crimsun: acer_acpi patch or new wireless, also effects windows driver.
[23:04] <crimsun> riskbreaker: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/2.6.24.6-5.16/+build/498718
[23:04] <thompa> I also found that the acer_acpi patch affects the soft switch for wireless and therin starts my problem again
[23:06] <thompa> !madwifi
[23:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:06] <crimsun> thompa: you should being applying the patch against linux-source-2.6.24
[23:07] <crimsun> (where linux-source-2.6.24 is the name of the binary package that you'd install)
[23:07] <riskbreaker> k let me give this a shot. thanks for your help
[23:08] <thompa> crimsun: that what i got 2.6.24-12, it works in one or two versions before that, wont build
[23:08] <crimsun> thompa: then pastebin the compile error
[23:08] <soto> How do I abandon the installation of partially installed packages?
[23:09] <thompa> crimsun: ok, im going to update first
[23:09] <soto> (unconfigured packages)
[23:09] <Jaymac> Can anyone load help.ubuntu.com
[23:09] <thompa> crimsun: maybe resticted stuff coming in
[23:09] <_dan_> hi guys, i installed hardy oday and now i have this weird problem, i can not single click anymore, every click i do is a double click, does anyone have a solution for that?
[23:09] <thompa> *modules
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: maybe in nautilus preferences you have set one-click open?
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: Go to Places > Home
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: and then Edit > Preferences... Click the bahaviour tab.. and see if Single Click to Open Items is checked
[23:11] <thompa> crimsun: im in luck http://code.google.com/p/aceracpi/
[23:11] <thompa> there is now 0.11.2
[23:12] <_dan_> its not that i open files with one click its like evry cick is a double click, when browsing in gftp or clicking on window title it shades window up
[23:13] <thompa> crimsun: i can probably install it from this new version, but its a downgrade and atheros is listed and working in hardware drivers window
[23:14] <thompa> crimsun: i saw some bugs files and i am too stupid to fix it, so I can just use the code
[23:15] <poseidon> I installed flashplugin-nonfree, however flash doesn't seem to work for me in firefox (or my other browsers)
[23:16] <SpartanII117> what does not working look like?
[23:16] <thompa> crimsun: debian packages discontinued, ther
[23:17] <thompa> crimsun: the guy making it for ubuntu was having some trouble with the kernel
[23:18] <jaffarkelshac> can anyone get iinto shell tty1-6 ctr+alt+f2 does not work
[23:18] <Turski> err?
[23:19] <crimsun> jaffarkelshac: if you're referring to the "blank/can't read tty" issue, it's fixed in ubuntu-hardy.git.
[23:19] <poseidon> SpartanII117, it tells me that it is missing the plugin
[23:19] <SpartanII117>  jaffarkelshac: yes, they all work fine here, what kind of graphics card and what driver and version are you using?
[23:20] <jaffarkelshac> i believe is a via chrome9
[23:20] <jaffarkelshac> its on my laptop
[23:21] <soto> Anybody have trouble installing hal update?
[23:21] <jaffarkelshac> my other 2 problems, my mouse pointer keeps going invisible behind certain tabs and menus and my login res is too high, i can barely see the login. but it gets to normal when i login. i am having it log me in automatically to avoid it
[23:21] <SpartanII117> posieidon: do you have lib flash support and have you restarted?
[23:21] <salty-horse> anyone else using xchat 2.8.4 seeing a "+" prefixing all private messages?
[23:22] <poseidon> SpartanII117, restarted:yes, what is flash lib support?
[23:22] <poseidon> SpartanII117, I just did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:23] <SpartanII117> and did it pull in libflashsupport?
[23:24]  * tanner loves this movie :D
[23:24] <SpartanII117> jaffarkelshac: what GFX card (ati, intel, nvidia) do you have
[23:24] <jaffarkelshac> Via
[23:24] <tanner> voodoo!
[23:25] <SpartanII117> and the driver in xorg.conf is chrome 9?
[23:26] <SpartanII117> do you have the "xserver-xorg-video-via" package installed?
[23:26] <jaffarkelshac> my laptop is the amilo li1705. this is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6208/
[23:27] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that, no real options come up except for mouse keyboard and its done.
[23:28] <SpartanII117> try setting your driver to vesa and see if that fixes it
[23:28] <jaffarkelshac> i know its via chrome9 coz i had a screen res on gutsy and i got someone elses xorg with the same laptop only and edited in the driver and other and it work. i got 1200x800
[23:28] <poseidon> SpartanII117, how do I install that?
[23:29] <SpartanII117> it's already installed, you just set a line under the identifier that says Driver        "vesa"
[23:29] <poseidon> SpartanII117, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via said the newest version is installed
[23:31] <Stormx2> Flash movies only play for 2 seconds. I haven't had this problem in years, so I don't know how to fix it. Any suggestions?
[23:31] <heartsblood> Does the version of compiz in hardy still crash while 3d apps are running?
[23:32] <crdlb> compiz can handle that fine, it's your drivers that may not :)
[23:32] <heartsblood> not sure I follow
[23:33] <heartsblood> The version in gutsy will only run full screen 3d apps for about 15 minutes before it forces it to windowed mode and locks up the rest of the UI.
[23:33] <SpartanII117> posiedon, you just use apt-get install libflashsupport
[23:37] <heartsblood> is wiki.ubuntu.com down?
[23:37] <Osax> hi all
[23:37] <Osax> I have a Dell Latitude D520. When using the Live 8.04 CD, I can't use wired/wireless network
[23:38] <Osax> Network Manager shows me the wireless networks available but can't connect to any (encrypted or not)
[23:39] <Osax> same goes to wired, I get an IP from dhcp but it i can't even ping the gateway
[23:39] <Osax> my eth0 is broadcom and wifi is intel3945. please help
[23:41] <noelferreira> i am using amd64 and ATI Xpress 200 M with compiz running WITHOUT XGL server. I have this problek: with totem or smplayer i only can see video in fullscreen. using mplayer with -vo xv option i only see video if it is not fullscreen. any reported bug about this?
[23:41] <poseidon> SpartanII117, it says that it already has the latest version of libflashsuport
[23:42] <KalEl> hi, how can i set a standby time for my monitor? `xset q` shows shows "Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0"
[23:42] <SpartanII117> ok, beond that i cant really help except to ask if you've restarted?
[23:43] <poseidon> KalEl, system->pref->screensaver?
[23:43] <poseidon> SpartanII117, yep
[23:44] <KalEl> i've turned screensaver off from there, but in power management i've said Put display to sleep when inactive for 15 minutes
[23:44] <edwardxp> help! i deleted my /etc/group :((
[23:44] <SpartanII117> poseidon: sorry then
[23:45] <edwardxp> what can i do?
[23:45] <_dan_> when upgrading from gutsy to hardy, self defined nautilus-actions wont work anymore, cant find a way to get them to work
[23:45] <soto> How do I recreate /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin?
[23:45] <_dan_> anyone?
[23:47] <poseidon> So does anyone else know how I can get flash to work in firefox?
[23:48] <poseidon> SpartanII117, np, thanks for your help :)
[23:49] <poseidon> quicktime videos seem to work just fine
[23:49] <edwardxp> what should i do when i delete my /etc/group ?
[23:51] <blueyed> Is network broken for other after resuming from hibernation since a few days? I suspect it's because of the fix for bug 162654..
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162654 in pm-utils "networkmanager (0.6.5-0ubuntu16.7.10.0) needs to be restarted manually after suspend using pm-utils, while functioning correctly using acpi" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162654
[23:51] <blueyed> s/other/others/
[23:51] <crimsun> it works fine here
[23:52] <blueyed> On a desktop system?
[23:52] <blueyed> I need to "sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart" to make it work.
[23:52] <crimsun> blueyed: two laptops (Pentium 3 and Pentium D)
[23:55] <blueyed> testing..