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[14:39] <mdke>  /win 12
[17:52] <sommer> mdke: hello
[17:53] <sommer> mdke: there are a bunch of spelling mistakes I missed in the Server Guide, and I wanted to check with you about committing them?
[17:53] <sommer> mdke: I haven't compiled a list yet, so I'll do that and let you know how big the impact will be
[19:26] <sommer> mdke: there are 130 lines effected in the diff
[21:11] <mdke> sommer: that would seriously affect translators. are they literally just spelling mistakes?
[21:14] <sommer> mdke: yep, spelling and capatilization of applications... on the whole they aren't that serious
[21:14] <sommer> really most are capatilizations
[21:15] <sommer> I can send you the diff if you'd like to take a look
[21:15] <mdke> sommer: what we need to do is to ensure the translators don't get affected. We can do it by committing the fix right at the end of the cycle, after translations are already imported
[21:16] <sommer> mdke: gotcha, it shouldn't affect the translations
[21:16] <mdke> don't commit it for now, in case there are any more serious fixes which we need to apply and pass on to translators
[21:16] <sommer> mdke: sure, I'll just hang onto it.
[21:17] <sommer> the original diff was from another Server Team member that didn't have time to review before the freeze
[21:17] <mdke> ok
[21:18] <sommer> mdke: thanks man
[21:18] <mdke> np. Things are looking pretty good this release
[21:18] <mdke> thanks for all your hard work
[21:19] <sommer> ya, there was still some things that didn't get documented, like iscsi, but that's because the development is still very active
[21:20] <sommer> I was thinking the other day about your comment concerning the size of the server guide, and I don't see it getting any smaller
[21:20] <sommer> is there another approach we should use for it?
[21:20] <sommer> maybe reorganize into sub-chapters or something?
[21:20] <mdke> size in itself isn't a problem, as long as the whole guide is relevant to the server edition
[21:21] <sommer> yep, it's all relevant, I was just gatehering ideas for the next release, and so fare there are several good ones
[21:22] <mdke> I was just a bit worried that sections might be being added which are not directly relevant - i thought perhaps that since jeos is its own "flavour", perhaps it should be in its own document, shipped with that flavour
[21:23] <mdke> but you reassured me
[21:23] <sommer> ah, yep I forgot that was the focus... that section may need some more thought, but I think for now it fits well
[21:24] <sommer> I was just thinking the other day that there is a bunch of scrolling necessary to see all the sections :-)
[21:26] <mdke> that's true. you may want to consider reducing the number of sections
[21:28] <sommer> heh, that may be a tough sell, I was thinking to discuss the puropose/focus of the guide at UDS, that should then help figure out how to organize things
[21:32] <mdke> I fancy you could save some space here and there
[21:32] <mdke> the networking section looks like it might be able to house a couple of other sections
[21:33] <mdke> chapters 6 and 7, for example
[21:35] <sommer> ya, chapter 6 is pretty small, but there are some ideas for additions to that chapter for the next release
[21:36] <sommer> libnss-ldap, example client application configuration, etc
[21:36] <mdke> structure doesn't depend upon size, it depends upon subject matter
[21:36] <mdke> so if things are to do with networking, they should be in the networking section, even if they are huge ;)
[21:37] <mdke> ditto jeos and the virtualisation section
[21:37] <sommer> I'm with ya, but is there a way to display more than <sect1> tags in the main ToC?
[21:38] <mdke> I don't completely understand your question, but I think the answer is "sure"
[21:39] <mdke> ah, you want deeper indexes?
[21:39] <mdke> yes, that's easy. I think it would double the amount of scrolling required though
[21:40] <mdke> also, normally the sect1 title is enough to tell you what is there, so it's a reasonable place to cut off
[21:40] <sommer> for example the libvirt-virsh section, can that be linked to the main table of contents?
[21:41] <sommer> the reason being is that it would make it easier to find specific content for what you're working on
[21:41] <sommer> not that it's terribly hard now
[21:43] <mdke> I think the best way is to keep the index manageable and ensure that the sections are clearly enough titled that it's easy to find whatever you are looking for
[21:44] <sommer> sure, that's what I was thinking as well
[21:45]  * sommer wonders how hard it would be to add some type of live search
[21:48] <mdke> what to?
[21:48] <sommer> like some blogs and other sites have, a little ajaxy live search field
[21:52] <mdke> you mean on help.u.c, the serverguide standalone html package, or yelp?
[21:53] <sommer> ya the web site
[21:54] <mdke> ah
[21:56] <mdke> yes, that would be good
[21:56] <mdke> I still haven't given up hope with moving everything to the wiki and having a single website
[21:58] <sommer> funny you should mention that, I was thinking the same thing last night :-)
[21:59] <sommer> at least for the server guide
[21:59] <mdke> the docbook<->moin project is picking up again now so you never know
[22:00] <sommer> ya, I did try it out for the bacula section, but the output was all continous
[22:00] <mdke> you can use the "tidy" program, I think I mentioned that before
[22:00] <sommer> oh, heh shoud've tried that
[22:02] <sommer> I'll bring the idea of moving to the wiki up at UDS and see what others think
[22:02] <sommer> at least the server guys
[22:02] <mdke> well, I think it's only worth moving if everything moves
[22:02] <mdke> no point having stuff in a different place
[22:03] <sommer> ya, that's a good point
[22:03] <sommer> I'll do some more testing with the docbook > moin stuff
[22:03] <sommer> and moin > docbook... heh