/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/29/#ubuntu-ops.txt

* tonyyarusso looks around for the ompaul04:32
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu ()05:42
naliothklined05:42
=== elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu
nickrudubotu no ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new preference Advanced Desktop Settings will appear - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion06:18
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, nickrud said: ubotu no ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new preference Advanced Desktop Settings will appear - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion06:18
nickrudpreparation for hardy, and true in gutsy as well06:19
Hobbseeoh dear.  now emma has decided to start with her "kubuntu is badly named" stuff on irc (userland) channels.  How unhelpful.  Does it not occur to her that people have not done exactly the same thing before, and that there are reasons to keep it the way it is?06:56
Jucatoyeah. I've ranted that topic to death already!06:57
Hobbseeright after asking [17:42] <emma> 14:35:26> Is there any possibility that there will eventually be a release of Ubuntu that does not use Gnome as the default DE ?06:57
nickrudpersonally i think that emma is simply enjoying all the attention. that's her only purpose07:00
JucatoHobbsee: you really get the weird ones, don't you? :)07:00
nickruda smarter troll than average, but ultimately just a troll07:01
Hobbseenickrud: well, she won't get that for much longer in the ubuntu domain, if she's going to behave as she has in +1 and elsewhere today.07:03
Hobbseenickrud: she's certainly not managed to pick her channels appropriately07:03
nickrudI mean, how many people have taken up this much of your time, Hobbsee ?07:04
Hobbseeif zenwhen wishes to deal in other ways, without knowing anything that has gone on, he is welcome to, and watch his channel also become a troll-festering ground.07:04
Hobbseenickrud: too many.07:04
Jucatonickrud: she uses them to sharpen her Long Pointy Stick of Doom (which I haven't seen much lately)07:04
nickrudsometimes I can understand why many ops are apparently trigger happy07:04
nickrudhow many people are totally banned from the #ubuntu domain? 07:06
Hobbseenickrud: unfortunately, it mostly comes down to "how much do we care about our users having a nice experience on freenode, where they don't get random users who they don't know trying to get them joining other channels which are just troll-festering-pits"07:06
Hobbseetoo many.  but then, there's a lot of idiocy, too.  and a lot of offtopic.07:06
Hobbseeand there's a pretty good reason for splitting support and offtopic07:07
nickrudHobbsee now that, I would consider a long term bannable offence, pm'ing new people, some of them probably very young07:07
Hobbseenickrud: you share my opinion then.07:07
Hobbseenickrud: and this is why people are still fighting it.07:08
Hobbseebecause, as much as it is a pain, it *is* important for our users.07:08
* elkbuntu clears her throat07:09
elkbuntuthis isnt a chat channel, people :Þ07:09
tritiumGood evening.07:09
nickrudidiocy I can tolerate. offtopic in reasonable doses, since it fosters community. But propaganda, and trolling around, no07:09
Hobbseenickrud: unfortunately, people like zenwhen disagree with you.07:09
Hobbseeelkbuntu: erk, indeed.07:09
Hobbseenickrud: see /query for more info07:10
Hobbsee+1 is getting worse again ;(07:52
tritiumNot a bad night.  No bans in several hours.08:38
* nalioth bans tritium 08:39
nalioth3 dozen times08:40
tritiumnalioth: ;)08:40
ompaul$user> yeah, i understand where your coming from, these chans are suppose to be like what one might expect from any software companies support forums to be like << that might find its way into some answers and thinking if you need it09:25
naliothmorning ompaul 09:38
naliothme notes its 438am where he sits09:38
Gary9.38 here09:39
* nalioth notes the missing / on the previous /me09:39
* Gary passes lots of spare ////'s about09:39
ikoniamorning ladies and gents09:53
elkbuntunot for another 3 hours, but thanks for the thought :Þ09:54
ikonia$time_appropriate_greeting09:56
ikonia(I saw pici use that variable - excellent)09:56
jpatrick09:25:18 [Freenode] [ ~gunestopl!n=Naci@85.105.213.70  ] funda_ank46@10:32
jpatrickjust came in and he's in #ubuntu10:32
jpatrickmeh, he's gone10:33
elkbuntu_ikonia, 'good $time_of_day' works too10:49
=== elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu
snowolfis idling in here ok or it's better not?10:59
jpatrick!idle10:59
ubotuPlease keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.10:59
snowolfk10:59
Hobbsee!staff | [23:48] <Alpatinoz11> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.12:49
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)12:49
ikoniaHobbsee: was that in channel or pm13:12
Hobbseeikonia: pm13:12
ikoniaok, cool, I got it too13:12
Hobbseewonder if they queired everyone in here or something13:13
ikoniayes, that what I wondered 13:13
ikoniasometimes its targeted others mass13:13
jussi01I didnt get it...13:18
Hobbseewow, ##Linux is big!13:20
ikoniait's a troll channel13:22
ikonia%10 want to be l33t %50 noise the rest is nonsense13:22
ikoniasupposed to be general linux help13:22
ikoniabut only a small percentage of the users are good/respected the rest is just random noise13:23
ikoniait used to be quite good13:23
* jrib got the pm as well13:30
jussi01just got it...13:32
elkbuntuikonia, not surprising when idiots PM everyone in /who lists to join the channel13:32
ikoniaelkbuntu: yes, I suppose it's clear that way13:33
Hobbseei think we've got an incomming emma13:33
ikoniaohhh13:34
elkbuntuikonia, see +113:34
ikonianot again......13:34
elkbuntuHobbsee, she may not come here either, as it's been unsuccessful for getting her own way on things13:35
JucatoHobbsee: my turn to get it13:35
Hobbseeelkbuntu: iv'e suggested she does, if she wishes to discuss it13:35
elkbuntuJucato, get what from whom?13:36
JucatoAlpatinoz spam13:36
Jucato[21:27] <Allpaatynoz1> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.13:36
elkbuntuah13:36
ikoniaJucato: how long ago did you get that13:37
ikonia(don't know what time zone your in13:37
JucatoI stepped away for just a while. 7 mins ago13:37
ikoniainteresting he appears to login - pm then drop out straight away 13:38
jpatrickPriceChild: thanks :)13:43
* PriceChild wonders how you knew it was him13:43
* jpatrick has his ways13:45
PriceChilda bit quick on the whois were you?13:45
PriceChildBut yes, jussi01 and jpatrick have been given access 10 in #ubuntu, congrats :)13:46
jpatrickPriceChild: right now I'm wondering where: "time idle:" went13:46
jussi01:)14:07
ubotuencryptz called the ops in #ubuntu ()14:12
LjL!badmouse is <reply> If typing on your keyboard causes the mouse to briefly stop working, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40229614:26
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL14:26
LjL(yes, a bit gratuitous a factoid, but a weird enough problem...)14:27
CondouloHello. umm.... I would like to be tested14:39
LjLCondoulo, i haven't seen you asking for an automatic test yet...?14:40
CondouloLjL- ummmm...14:42
elkbuntuCondoulo, how thoroughly did you read the topic of the other channel?14:45
Condoulooh. I guess the process has been changed since I last had to go through it? Sorry.14:50
Myrtti[16:55] <Alpatinoz11> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.14:58
Myrtti[16:55] *** Alpatinoz11 [n=Owbym@c-98-193-35-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net]14:58
LjLwhere is he though15:01
LjLi've seen many complains about him already15:01
LjLbut his whois doesn't give me any channels15:01
elkbuntuLjL, probably taking advantage of /who #channel15:02
LjLwell he's been mentioned in #freenode already15:02
elkbuntuyup15:03
LjLGary, following? there's a complaint in ##linux too15:03
LjL[16:01:18] <MrElendig> 15:50:21 [FreeNode] [Alpatinoz11(n=Owbym@c-98-193-35-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net)] ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.15:03
LjL[16:01:21] <netsurf3> but the module you will need is still the same15:03
LjL[16:01:23] <MrElendig> yay for msg spam :/15:03
PriceChildI think staff are aware.15:03
Myrttiok15:04
elkbuntuPriceChild, if they are, then how come its been going on for hours?15:06
GaryLjL: yeah, staff are aware15:06
Garyelkbuntu: the hosts they keep on changing...15:07
PriceChildThat sounds like a song.15:07
LjLwell, this one has stayed the same for half an hour15:07
jpatrickdoes anyone know why "vit_@*" is banned in #kubuntu?15:51
jpatrickto ##unavailable - cos, he's in there right now15:52
LjLjpatrick, was someone who did the same trick as the "root____" ones in #kubuntu, afair15:52
jpatrick[!] vit is now known as vit_ - yay, looks like it15:53
LjL[15:56:27] --> vit_ has joined this channel (n=vit@190.77.189.81).15:53
LjL[15:56:34] --> vit__ has joined this channel (n=vit@200.84.151.125).15:53
LjLprobably zombies15:53
jpatrickfrom different ips?15:53
LjLwell, those are two different ips15:54
LjLcan't go grep right now, but i think yes in general15:54
jpatrickwell, he just /quit, nevermind15:54
ubotudgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (V|ghter (Spamming))16:22
ArmedKingI would like to report d0bernala for spamming18:38
ompaulwhere?18:39
no0ticplease, specify the channel 18:39
ArmedKingI got a DCC18:40
ArmedKingOntvangen 'DCC SCHAT "HY_FROM_R4L_LOLOL_HY_FROM_R4L_FREE_OPS_IN_#POLITICS" 0 0 0 ' van d0bernala18:40
ArmedKingSame as a lot of others in channel #ubuntu-nl18:40
ompaulokay - clue one don't include all that text in when you have a dcc report18:41
ompauldo it like this 18:41
GaryArmedKing: being dealt with18:41
ArmedKingThanks Gary18:41
ompaulin channel #ubuntu-nl spam from d0bernala dcc 18:42
ArmedKingompaul, oke thanks i'll keep that in mind 18:42
ompaulArmedKing, is there anything else?18:43
ArmedKingompaul, No thank you that's all for the moment18:44
ompaulthanks for the report, I don't know if you are are aware of this18:44
ompaul!idle18:44
ubotuPlease keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.18:44
ArmedKingompaul, Yes i was just reading it ;-) i'll be on my way now18:45
ompaulhave a good day18:45
ArmedKingyou too ;-)18:45
LjLGary: i wasn't aware of #ubuntu being spammed, though18:55
LjLi mean, about spam *about* #ubuntu being around18:55
Garyyeah, most of it misses the ubuntu bit18:56
LjLGary, are the spammers identified to services?18:59
Garythe notice ones are, but registered by bot probably19:02
naliothi wish they'd not paste that stuff 19:04
samsun216hello guys19:06
samsun216i dont need any help19:06
samsun216but some person think i do bad joke19:07
samsun216who kicked nadrosima19:07
samsun216?19:07
LjLnadrosima?19:08
samsun216yes19:08
LjLsamsun216, is it *you* that have been kicked, or someone else?19:08
LjLi need to know what we're talking about19:08
samsun216im not change ip19:08
LjLwhat were you referring to when you said19:09
LjL[20:03:43] <samsun216> ok19:09
LjL[20:03:53] <samsun216> thats rachist actions19:09
LjL[20:03:58] <samsun216> fuck gnu19:09
LjL?19:09
samsun216thats bad19:09
samsun216ok 19:09
samsun216soorry19:09
samsun216for u and for all19:09
ompaul!guidelines | samsun216 19:10
ubotusamsun216: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:10
LjLsamsun216: why did you change your nickname?19:10
LjLjust to make it more complicated for me to understand what's happening?19:10
=== samsun216 is now known as nadrosima
nadrosimathis is my local comp name19:10
LjLnadrosima: why did you suggest that someone run rm -rf /?19:11
nadrosimaerm i learn waht su and sudo19:12
nadrosimamaybe paste any user this command19:12
LjLthat doesn't seem related, you didn't mention su or sudo19:12
LjLsorry?19:12
nadrosimaand learn never used any parameters19:12
nadrosimawith root19:12
LjLi don't understand what you mean, to be honest19:12
nadrosimadid  u know what i doing ?19:13
ompaulnadrosima, you are not speaking in full sentences19:14
LjLyes... you pasted a very dangerous command19:14
nadrosimayes19:14
nadrosimai pasted now19:14
nadrosimaand entering19:14
ompaulnadrosima,  and as a result you got banned 19:14
LjLnadrosima, what's your native language? i'm sorry but i have trouble understanding your english19:14
nadrosimaso mean restart computer19:14
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.3' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.2' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.1' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.0' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/VIA_IDE/new_id' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
nadrosimarm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/VIA_IDE/bind' silinemedi: Operation not permitted19:15
LjLgah19:15
LjLnadrosima, are you turkish? have you considered joining #ubuntu.tr ?19:16
ompaul!tr19:16
ubotuTurk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.19:16
* LjL wonders why he's received no spammy pms19:18
Amaranth!ping20:12
ubotuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore20:12
Garyawww20:12
Amaranth!ping20:12
ubotuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore20:12
LjL!undelete20:30
ubotuSome tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Remember that it's tricky to recover deleted files from your journalled !filesystem, and you should keep !backups of important data.20:30
LjLas i guess you all know, the ext3 faq state you can't undelete files20:31
LjLhowever, https://www.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2008-March/msg00009.html - opinions?20:31
LjLlike, jdong to mention random nicknames20:31
ikoniayou can undelete, but to be honest, if you have to ask the chances of getting it right for a whole directory is %020:32
LjLikonia: well that's still different from stating "no, contrary to other filesystems, you just can't undelete on ext3"20:33
ikoniano, I agree with what your saying20:33
LjLthe chances can be slim with every filesystem, slimmer with some, less slim with others, but *no* chances (aside from grepping for strings, but that's different from recovering *files*) is a different matter20:34
ikoniabut I can see a whole file system being trashed if the response is "sure - read here and you'll get your data back"20:34
LjLno, of course, but that goes for ext2 too20:34
ikoniatotally20:34
LjLand for ext2, there's plenty of undelete tools around20:34
ikoniaI just meant to be cautious how/what is recommended20:34
LjLwell ikonia, *i* have destroyed some files i pretty much cared about (read: irc logs), no i didn't have backups, no there's no conceivable way to recover them - i didn't even *try*, because what i'd always heard was that due to ext3's design, it simply wouldn't be possible. same with a user who asked some days ago, i told them "tough luck, try grepping for strings if you can" (and wrote !undelete)20:36
LjLbut one thing is recommending, another is doing the best possible attempt to restore a messed up file that someone wants back20:36
LjLthough, this program doesn't seem to be actually published yet (you can request the source via email), although the tecnique to do the recovery is described, i think, on the site20:37
ikoniaLjL: thats the balance20:43
LjLactually there's a public svn available, but i can't get past autogen20:44
ikoniamaybe I'll have a play20:45
LjLhttp://groups.google.com/group/ext3grep/web/sticky-howto-report-a-bug20:45
ikonianever used it so lets have a read20:45
ikoniacould be a potential life saver later on  ;)20:45
LjLcould have spared me the painful loss of 6 months of #ubuntu logs :P20:46
no0ticdon't make me think about that20:46
no0ticyears of logs vanished away on 13 january20:47
LjLno0tic: what should i say then, my very first years of logs were lost once because my hard drive didn't like being in a backpack, and then again because a Sysquest Sucks 4gb cartridges drive decided it wouldn't last its first 4 months of life!20:48
no0ticyou were unlucky, I was stupid... I rm'ed the whole directory... :)20:50
LjLno0tic: well, this time i lost them because i put a ">" where none should have been20:51
LjLno0tic: another time i lost a program i was writing because "mv" somehow suddenly became "rm" in my mind20:51
ikoniaheads up in #ubuntu20:52
no0ticI know what you feel20:52
ikoniapotential opperbot issue20:52
ikoniaahh your on it20:52
ikoniata20:52
naliothooops20:53
LjL!no recover is <reply> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Recovering deleted files on !ext3 filesystems can be virtually impossible, although a method that might work in some cases is described at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html20:56
ubotuI'll remember that LjL20:56
LjLikonia: scary enough?20:56
ikoniapretty resonable20:56
LjL("Hi, I'm a quit message antivirus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me save the world of IRC."). this is new21:00
naliothnot really21:00
nickrudnah, seen it many times21:00
ikoniaI was wondering on that, I've never seen it21:01
LjLactually, i don't have it in my #ubuntu logs at all21:01
naliothit's been around for a long long time21:01
nickrudIf memory serves, nalioth had it a long time ago as a part message21:01
naliothperhaps not seen in #ubuntu much21:01
LjLnote ANTIvirus...21:01
naliothnickrud: nah, not I21:01
naliothi don't do /part messages21:02
nickrud<-- getting old, brain cells are dying ;(21:02
naliothand so there are new ones to replace them21:04
nickrudyeah, but they don't know anything21:04
nickrudall they know is how to do is notice pretty women21:05
ikonianalioth: I told you, you need to get cool, then you'll get pm's21:05
ubotuHardyOne called the ops in #ubuntu ()21:23
Picisigh21:23
ikoniawow, I missed f-u-c-k join21:23
LjLalthough...21:24
PiciTheres a pun there somewhere...21:24
Garynice nick21:25
jpatrickwoah..21:30
Piciwhere...21:30
jpatrick#freenode, and #ubuntu I think21:30
Cpudan80nalioth: you around?21:38
naliothusually21:38
Cpudan80pm21:39
jdongLjL: I never did say it was completely impossible to undelete from ext3 :)21:46
jdongLjL: I believe the other day in #uf when this came up, I even discussed this kind of possibility and remarked it'd be a lot of work and you need a EXT3 developer buddy :)21:46
LjLjdong: do you have a guilty conscience? :P i didn't mention you because of that, but simply because i know you toy with filesystem related matters21:47
jdongLjL: I guess I do tend to operate under guilty unless proven innocent ;-)21:47
LjLi can understand.21:47
tomawjpatrick: I got them21:55
jpatricktomaw: brilliant, thanks21:56
jussi01heh, I pop away for 2 mins...21:56
jpatricktomaw: shame we have to op ourselves instead of just /mode +R21:57
tomawI think overall it's better than keeping ops though21:58
LjL?21:58
LjLrather, my stupid bots should have caught some of those, i thought i'd just improve them to penalize... err, well, penalize something.21:58
jpatrickLjL: I mean #kubuntu21:59
LjLah i didn't see that, i only noticed them in #ubuntu21:59
* jpatrick wonders what DOOM_X is doing22:39
jpatrickahh, "accident"22:39
JaymacJust a quick question - is there an IRC channel for the ubuntu website? The help.ubuntu.com subdomain doesn't seem to be loading - don't know where to ask about it :)23:13
LjLJaymac: i donùt know, but i can confirm it seems down23:15
JaymacLjL: OK, thanks23:15

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