[04:32]  * tonyyarusso looks around for the ompaul
[05:42] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:42] <nalioth> klined
[06:18] <nickrud> ubotu no ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new preference Advanced Desktop Settings will appear - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[06:18] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, nickrud said: ubotu no ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new preference Advanced Desktop Settings will appear - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[06:19] <nickrud> preparation for hardy, and true in gutsy as well
[06:56] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  now emma has decided to start with her "kubuntu is badly named" stuff on irc (userland) channels.  How unhelpful.  Does it not occur to her that people have not done exactly the same thing before, and that there are reasons to keep it the way it is?
[06:57] <Jucato> yeah. I've ranted that topic to death already!
[06:57] <Hobbsee> right after asking [17:42] <emma> 14:35:26> Is there any possibility that there will eventually be a release of Ubuntu that does not use Gnome as the default DE ?
[07:00] <nickrud> personally i think that emma is simply enjoying all the attention. that's her only purpose
[07:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you really get the weird ones, don't you? :)
[07:01] <nickrud> a smarter troll than average, but ultimately just a troll
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nickrud: well, she won't get that for much longer in the ubuntu domain, if she's going to behave as she has in +1 and elsewhere today.
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nickrud: she's certainly not managed to pick her channels appropriately
[07:04] <nickrud> I mean, how many people have taken up this much of your time, Hobbsee ?
[07:04] <Hobbsee> if zenwhen wishes to deal in other ways, without knowing anything that has gone on, he is welcome to, and watch his channel also become a troll-festering ground.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> nickrud: too many.
[07:04] <Jucato> nickrud: she uses them to sharpen her Long Pointy Stick of Doom (which I haven't seen much lately)
[07:04] <nickrud> sometimes I can understand why many ops are apparently trigger happy
[07:06] <nickrud> how many people are totally banned from the #ubuntu domain? 
[07:06] <Hobbsee> nickrud: unfortunately, it mostly comes down to "how much do we care about our users having a nice experience on freenode, where they don't get random users who they don't know trying to get them joining other channels which are just troll-festering-pits"
[07:06] <Hobbsee> too many.  but then, there's a lot of idiocy, too.  and a lot of offtopic.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> and there's a pretty good reason for splitting support and offtopic
[07:07] <nickrud> Hobbsee now that, I would consider a long term bannable offence, pm'ing new people, some of them probably very young
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nickrud: you share my opinion then.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> nickrud: and this is why people are still fighting it.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> because, as much as it is a pain, it *is* important for our users.
[07:09]  * elkbuntu clears her throat
[07:09] <elkbuntu> this isnt a chat channel, people :Þ
[07:09] <tritium> Good evening.
[07:09] <nickrud> idiocy I can tolerate. offtopic in reasonable doses, since it fosters community. But propaganda, and trolling around, no
[07:09] <Hobbsee> nickrud: unfortunately, people like zenwhen disagree with you.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: erk, indeed.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> nickrud: see /query for more info
[07:52] <Hobbsee> +1 is getting worse again ;(
[08:38] <tritium> Not a bad night.  No bans in several hours.
[08:39]  * nalioth bans tritium 
[08:40] <nalioth> 3 dozen times
[08:40] <tritium> nalioth: ;)
[09:25] <ompaul> $user> yeah, i understand where your coming from, these chans are suppose to be like what one might expect from any software companies support forums to be like << that might find its way into some answers and thinking if you need it
[09:38] <nalioth> morning ompaul 
[09:38] <nalioth> me notes its 438am where he sits
[09:39] <Gary> 9.38 here
[09:39]  * nalioth notes the missing / on the previous /me
[09:39]  * Gary passes lots of spare ////'s about
[09:53] <ikonia> morning ladies and gents
[09:54] <elkbuntu> not for another 3 hours, but thanks for the thought :Þ
[09:56] <ikonia> $time_appropriate_greeting
[09:56] <ikonia> (I saw pici use that variable - excellent)
[10:32] <jpatrick> 09:25:18 [Freenode] [ ~gunestopl!n=Naci@85.105.213.70  ] funda_ank46@
[10:32] <jpatrick> just came in and he's in #ubuntu
[10:33] <jpatrick> meh, he's gone
[10:49] <elkbuntu_> ikonia, 'good $time_of_day' works too
[10:59] <snowolf> is idling in here ok or it's better not?
[10:59] <jpatrick> !idle
[10:59] <ubotu> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[10:59] <snowolf> k
[12:49] <Hobbsee> !staff | [23:48] <Alpatinoz11> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.
[12:49] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:12] <ikonia> Hobbsee: was that in channel or pm
[13:12] <Hobbsee> ikonia: pm
[13:12] <ikonia> ok, cool, I got it too
[13:13] <Hobbsee> wonder if they queired everyone in here or something
[13:13] <ikonia> yes, that what I wondered 
[13:13] <ikonia> sometimes its targeted others mass
[13:18] <jussi01> I didnt get it...
[13:20] <Hobbsee> wow, ##Linux is big!
[13:22] <ikonia> it's a troll channel
[13:22] <ikonia> %10 want to be l33t %50 noise the rest is nonsense
[13:22] <ikonia> supposed to be general linux help
[13:23] <ikonia> but only a small percentage of the users are good/respected the rest is just random noise
[13:23] <ikonia> it used to be quite good
[13:30]  * jrib got the pm as well
[13:32] <jussi01> just got it...
[13:32] <elkbuntu> ikonia, not surprising when idiots PM everyone in /who lists to join the channel
[13:33] <ikonia> elkbuntu: yes, I suppose it's clear that way
[13:33] <Hobbsee> i think we've got an incomming emma
[13:34] <ikonia> ohhh
[13:34] <elkbuntu> ikonia, see +1
[13:34] <ikonia> not again......
[13:35] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, she may not come here either, as it's been unsuccessful for getting her own way on things
[13:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: my turn to get it
[13:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: iv'e suggested she does, if she wishes to discuss it
[13:36] <elkbuntu> Jucato, get what from whom?
[13:36] <Jucato> Alpatinoz spam
[13:36] <Jucato> [21:27] <Allpaatynoz1> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.
[13:36] <elkbuntu> ah
[13:37] <ikonia> Jucato: how long ago did you get that
[13:37] <ikonia> (don't know what time zone your in
[13:37] <Jucato> I stepped away for just a while. 7 mins ago
[13:38] <ikonia> interesting he appears to login - pm then drop out straight away 
[13:43] <jpatrick> PriceChild: thanks :)
[13:43]  * PriceChild wonders how you knew it was him
[13:45]  * jpatrick has his ways
[13:45] <PriceChild> a bit quick on the whois were you?
[13:46] <PriceChild> But yes, jussi01 and jpatrick have been given access 10 in #ubuntu, congrats :)
[13:46] <jpatrick> PriceChild: right now I'm wondering where: "time idle:" went
[14:07] <jussi01> :)
[14:12] <ubotu> encryptz called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[14:26] <LjL> !badmouse is <reply> If typing on your keyboard causes the mouse to briefly stop working, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402296
[14:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[14:27] <LjL> (yes, a bit gratuitous a factoid, but a weird enough problem...)
[14:39] <Condoulo> Hello. umm.... I would like to be tested
[14:40] <LjL> Condoulo, i haven't seen you asking for an automatic test yet...?
[14:42] <Condoulo> LjL- ummmm...
[14:45] <elkbuntu> Condoulo, how thoroughly did you read the topic of the other channel?
[14:50] <Condoulo> oh. I guess the process has been changed since I last had to go through it? Sorry.
[14:58] <Myrtti> [16:55] <Alpatinoz11> ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.
[14:58] <Myrtti> [16:55] *** Alpatinoz11 [n=Owbym@c-98-193-35-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net]
[15:01] <LjL> where is he though
[15:01] <LjL> i've seen many complains about him already
[15:01] <LjL> but his whois doesn't give me any channels
[15:02] <elkbuntu> LjL, probably taking advantage of /who #channel
[15:02] <LjL> well he's been mentioned in #freenode already
[15:03] <elkbuntu> yup
[15:03] <LjL> Gary, following? there's a complaint in ##linux too
[15:03] <LjL> [16:01:18] <MrElendig> 15:50:21 [FreeNode] [Alpatinoz11(n=Owbym@c-98-193-35-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net)] ##TheLinuxers & ##Linux friendly atmosphere. Nice chatters and ops required.
[15:03] <LjL> [16:01:21] <netsurf3> but the module you will need is still the same
[15:03] <LjL> [16:01:23] <MrElendig> yay for msg spam :/
[15:03] <PriceChild> I think staff are aware.
[15:04] <Myrtti> ok
[15:06] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, if they are, then how come its been going on for hours?
[15:06] <Gary> LjL: yeah, staff are aware
[15:07] <Gary> elkbuntu: the hosts they keep on changing...
[15:07] <PriceChild> That sounds like a song.
[15:07] <LjL> well, this one has stayed the same for half an hour
[15:51] <jpatrick> does anyone know why "vit_@*" is banned in #kubuntu?
[15:52] <jpatrick> to ##unavailable - cos, he's in there right now
[15:52] <LjL> jpatrick, was someone who did the same trick as the "root____" ones in #kubuntu, afair
[15:53] <jpatrick> [!] vit is now known as vit_ - yay, looks like it
[15:53] <LjL> [15:56:27] --> vit_ has joined this channel (n=vit@190.77.189.81).
[15:53] <LjL> [15:56:34] --> vit__ has joined this channel (n=vit@200.84.151.125).
[15:53] <LjL> probably zombies
[15:53] <jpatrick> from different ips?
[15:54] <LjL> well, those are two different ips
[15:54] <LjL> can't go grep right now, but i think yes in general
[15:54] <jpatrick> well, he just /quit, nevermind
[16:22] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (V|ghter (Spamming))
[18:38] <ArmedKing> I would like to report d0bernala for spamming
[18:39] <ompaul> where?
[18:39] <no0tic> please, specify the channel 
[18:40] <ArmedKing> I got a DCC
[18:40] <ArmedKing> Ontvangen 'DCC SCHAT "HY_FROM_R4L_LOLOL_HY_FROM_R4L_FREE_OPS_IN_#POLITICS" 0 0 0 ' van d0bernala
[18:40] <ArmedKing> Same as a lot of others in channel #ubuntu-nl
[18:41] <ompaul> okay - clue one don't include all that text in when you have a dcc report
[18:41] <ompaul> do it like this 
[18:41] <Gary> ArmedKing: being dealt with
[18:41] <ArmedKing> Thanks Gary
[18:42] <ompaul> in channel #ubuntu-nl spam from d0bernala dcc 
[18:42] <ArmedKing> ompaul, oke thanks i'll keep that in mind 
[18:43] <ompaul> ArmedKing, is there anything else?
[18:44] <ArmedKing> ompaul, No thank you that's all for the moment
[18:44] <ompaul> thanks for the report, I don't know if you are are aware of this
[18:44] <ompaul> !idle
[18:44] <ubotu> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[18:45] <ArmedKing> ompaul, Yes i was just reading it ;-) i'll be on my way now
[18:45] <ompaul> have a good day
[18:45] <ArmedKing> you too ;-)
[18:55] <LjL> Gary: i wasn't aware of #ubuntu being spammed, though
[18:55] <LjL> i mean, about spam *about* #ubuntu being around
[18:56] <Gary> yeah, most of it misses the ubuntu bit
[18:59] <LjL> Gary, are the spammers identified to services?
[19:02] <Gary> the notice ones are, but registered by bot probably
[19:04] <nalioth> i wish they'd not paste that stuff 
[19:06] <samsun216> hello guys
[19:06] <samsun216> i dont need any help
[19:07] <samsun216> but some person think i do bad joke
[19:07] <samsun216> who kicked nadrosima
[19:07] <samsun216> ?
[19:08] <LjL> nadrosima?
[19:08] <samsun216> yes
[19:08] <LjL> samsun216, is it *you* that have been kicked, or someone else?
[19:08] <LjL> i need to know what we're talking about
[19:08] <samsun216> im not change ip
[19:09] <LjL> what were you referring to when you said
[19:09] <LjL> [20:03:43] <samsun216> ok
[19:09] <LjL> [20:03:53] <samsun216> thats rachist actions
[19:09] <LjL> [20:03:58] <samsun216> fuck gnu
[19:09] <LjL> ?
[19:09] <samsun216> thats bad
[19:09] <samsun216> ok 
[19:09] <samsun216> soorry
[19:09] <samsun216> for u and for all
[19:10] <ompaul> !guidelines | samsun216 
[19:10] <ubotu> samsun216: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:10] <LjL> samsun216: why did you change your nickname?
[19:10] <LjL> just to make it more complicated for me to understand what's happening?
[19:10] <nadrosima> this is my local comp name
[19:11] <LjL> nadrosima: why did you suggest that someone run rm -rf /?
[19:12] <nadrosima> erm i learn waht su and sudo
[19:12] <nadrosima> maybe paste any user this command
[19:12] <LjL> that doesn't seem related, you didn't mention su or sudo
[19:12] <LjL> sorry?
[19:12] <nadrosima> and learn never used any parameters
[19:12] <nadrosima> with root
[19:12] <LjL> i don't understand what you mean, to be honest
[19:13] <nadrosima> did  u know what i doing ?
[19:14] <ompaul> nadrosima, you are not speaking in full sentences
[19:14] <LjL> yes... you pasted a very dangerous command
[19:14] <nadrosima> yes
[19:14] <nadrosima> i pasted now
[19:14] <nadrosima> and entering
[19:14] <ompaul> nadrosima,  and as a result you got banned 
[19:14] <LjL> nadrosima, what's your native language? i'm sorry but i have trouble understanding your english
[19:14] <nadrosima> so mean restart computer
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.3' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.2' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.1' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/0000:00:10.0' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/VIA_IDE/new_id' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <nadrosima> rm: `//sys/bus/pci/drivers/VIA_IDE/bind' silinemedi: Operation not permitted
[19:15] <LjL> gah
[19:16] <LjL> nadrosima, are you turkish? have you considered joining #ubuntu.tr ?
[19:16] <ompaul> !tr
[19:16] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[19:18]  * LjL wonders why he's received no spammy pms
[20:12] <Amaranth> !ping
[20:12] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[20:12] <Gary> awww
[20:12] <Amaranth> !ping
[20:12] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[20:30] <LjL> !undelete
[20:30] <ubotu> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Remember that it's tricky to recover deleted files from your journalled !filesystem, and you should keep !backups of important data.
[20:31] <LjL> as i guess you all know, the ext3 faq state you can't undelete files
[20:31] <LjL> however, https://www.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2008-March/msg00009.html - opinions?
[20:31] <LjL> like, jdong to mention random nicknames
[20:32] <ikonia> you can undelete, but to be honest, if you have to ask the chances of getting it right for a whole directory is %0
[20:33] <LjL> ikonia: well that's still different from stating "no, contrary to other filesystems, you just can't undelete on ext3"
[20:33] <ikonia> no, I agree with what your saying
[20:34] <LjL> the chances can be slim with every filesystem, slimmer with some, less slim with others, but *no* chances (aside from grepping for strings, but that's different from recovering *files*) is a different matter
[20:34] <ikonia> but I can see a whole file system being trashed if the response is "sure - read here and you'll get your data back"
[20:34] <LjL> no, of course, but that goes for ext2 too
[20:34] <ikonia> totally
[20:34] <LjL> and for ext2, there's plenty of undelete tools around
[20:34] <ikonia> I just meant to be cautious how/what is recommended
[20:36] <LjL> well ikonia, *i* have destroyed some files i pretty much cared about (read: irc logs), no i didn't have backups, no there's no conceivable way to recover them - i didn't even *try*, because what i'd always heard was that due to ext3's design, it simply wouldn't be possible. same with a user who asked some days ago, i told them "tough luck, try grepping for strings if you can" (and wrote !undelete)
[20:36] <LjL> but one thing is recommending, another is doing the best possible attempt to restore a messed up file that someone wants back
[20:37] <LjL> though, this program doesn't seem to be actually published yet (you can request the source via email), although the tecnique to do the recovery is described, i think, on the site
[20:43] <ikonia> LjL: thats the balance
[20:44] <LjL> actually there's a public svn available, but i can't get past autogen
[20:45] <ikonia> maybe I'll have a play
[20:45] <LjL> http://groups.google.com/group/ext3grep/web/sticky-howto-report-a-bug
[20:45] <ikonia> never used it so lets have a read
[20:45] <ikonia> could be a potential life saver later on  ;)
[20:46] <LjL> could have spared me the painful loss of 6 months of #ubuntu logs :P
[20:46] <no0tic> don't make me think about that
[20:47] <no0tic> years of logs vanished away on 13 january
[20:48] <LjL> no0tic: what should i say then, my very first years of logs were lost once because my hard drive didn't like being in a backpack, and then again because a Sysquest Sucks 4gb cartridges drive decided it wouldn't last its first 4 months of life!
[20:50] <no0tic> you were unlucky, I was stupid... I rm'ed the whole directory... :)
[20:51] <LjL> no0tic: well, this time i lost them because i put a ">" where none should have been
[20:51] <LjL> no0tic: another time i lost a program i was writing because "mv" somehow suddenly became "rm" in my mind
[20:52] <ikonia> heads up in #ubuntu
[20:52] <no0tic> I know what you feel
[20:52] <ikonia> potential opperbot issue
[20:52] <ikonia> ahh your on it
[20:52] <ikonia> ta
[20:53] <nalioth> ooops
[20:56] <LjL> !no recover is <reply> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Recovering deleted files on !ext3 filesystems can be virtually impossible, although a method that might work in some cases is described at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
[20:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:56] <LjL> ikonia: scary enough?
[20:56] <ikonia> pretty resonable
[21:00] <LjL> ("Hi, I'm a quit message antivirus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me save the world of IRC."). this is new
[21:00] <nalioth> not really
[21:00] <nickrud> nah, seen it many times
[21:01] <ikonia> I was wondering on that, I've never seen it
[21:01] <LjL> actually, i don't have it in my #ubuntu logs at all
[21:01] <nalioth> it's been around for a long long time
[21:01] <nickrud> If memory serves, nalioth had it a long time ago as a part message
[21:01] <nalioth> perhaps not seen in #ubuntu much
[21:01] <LjL> note ANTIvirus...
[21:01] <nalioth> nickrud: nah, not I
[21:02] <nalioth> i don't do /part messages
[21:02] <nickrud> <-- getting old, brain cells are dying ;(
[21:04] <nalioth> and so there are new ones to replace them
[21:04] <nickrud> yeah, but they don't know anything
[21:05] <nickrud> all they know is how to do is notice pretty women
[21:05] <ikonia> nalioth: I told you, you need to get cool, then you'll get pm's
[21:23] <ubotu> HardyOne called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:23] <Pici> sigh
[21:23] <ikonia> wow, I missed f-u-c-k join
[21:24] <LjL> although...
[21:24] <Pici> Theres a pun there somewhere...
[21:25] <Gary> nice nick
[21:30] <jpatrick> woah..
[21:30] <Pici> where...
[21:30] <jpatrick> #freenode, and #ubuntu I think
[21:38] <Cpudan80> nalioth: you around?
[21:38] <nalioth> usually
[21:39] <Cpudan80> pm
[21:46] <jdong> LjL: I never did say it was completely impossible to undelete from ext3 :)
[21:46] <jdong> LjL: I believe the other day in #uf when this came up, I even discussed this kind of possibility and remarked it'd be a lot of work and you need a EXT3 developer buddy :)
[21:47] <LjL> jdong: do you have a guilty conscience? :P i didn't mention you because of that, but simply because i know you toy with filesystem related matters
[21:47] <jdong> LjL: I guess I do tend to operate under guilty unless proven innocent ;-)
[21:47] <LjL> i can understand.
[21:55] <tomaw> jpatrick: I got them
[21:56] <jpatrick> tomaw: brilliant, thanks
[21:56] <jussi01> heh, I pop away for 2 mins...
[21:57] <jpatrick> tomaw: shame we have to op ourselves instead of just /mode +R
[21:58] <tomaw> I think overall it's better than keeping ops though
[21:58] <LjL> ?
[21:58] <LjL> rather, my stupid bots should have caught some of those, i thought i'd just improve them to penalize... err, well, penalize something.
[21:59] <jpatrick> LjL: I mean #kubuntu
[21:59] <LjL> ah i didn't see that, i only noticed them in #ubuntu
[22:39]  * jpatrick wonders what DOOM_X is doing
[22:39] <jpatrick> ahh, "accident"
[23:13] <Jaymac> Just a quick question - is there an IRC channel for the ubuntu website? The help.ubuntu.com subdomain doesn't seem to be loading - don't know where to ask about it :)
[23:15] <LjL> Jaymac: i donùt know, but i can confirm it seems down
[23:15] <Jaymac> LjL: OK, thanks