[03:02] <jjesse> in hardy if i have installed the kde3 version, i can install kubuntu-kde4-desktop to have the kde4
[03:12] <jjesse> yeah that's it
[03:12] <ScottK2> They say so.
[04:09] <ryanakca> Anybody know if there's somewhere that I can link to from the website that has a bunch of Kubuntu reviews?
[04:20] <ScottK2> Two more kde-guidance bugs fixes uploaded ....
[04:29] <nixternal> rock on
[04:39] <ScottK2> There's no way I'd be doing this if I hadn't gotten core.  Maybe it was a mistake to apply.
[04:40] <nixternal> hehe, thanks for the heads up, then I will never apply :p
[04:56] <ScottK> All I can say now is I'm really glad for bulletrproof X.
[11:44] <bdgraue> hello, the kftpgrabber freezes after a short time, while trying to copy a folder in kosole it give a huge amount of    QObject: 32 timers now exist for object QObject::unnamed
[12:57] <txwikinger> Does KDE4 have already language support?
[12:57] <smarter> txwikinger: yes
[12:58] <smarter> txwikinger: kde-l10n-* packages in kubuntu
[12:58] <txwikinger> can I somehow start an app from commandline with a different language?
[12:59] <smarter> txwikinger: KDE_LANG=fr_FR app
[12:59] <smarter> at least in kde3
[12:59] <txwikinger> ah KDE_LANG :)
[12:59] <txwikinger> I will try that
[12:59] <txwikinger> thanks smarter
[12:59] <smarter> you also have an entry "switch application language"(or something like that) in the help menu
[12:59] <txwikinger> well.. I just want to test a certain app
[13:00] <txwikinger> I should not need to change the whole desktop for that
[13:00] <smarter> this entry is only for one app
[13:01] <txwikinger> cool it worked
[13:01] <txwikinger> thanks
[13:01] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[13:33] <ryanakca> Anybody know of a page the website can link to with a bunch of user reviews on Kubuntu?
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: a google search for "user  reviews of kubuntu" :P
[13:40] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: than in that case we need to get some more or a place to unify them, because from what I see: a) they're all blog entries reviewing us, b) they're far and few in between (a couple for 6.06, 6.10 and 7.04 and three for 7.10. licencing, etc? Do I link to a list of individual blogs, file sharing sites, etc?)...
[13:40] <ryanakca> s/etc\?/etc/g
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: I don't see why you couldn't link to blogs... and I can search a lot down for you if you would like
[13:42] <ryanakca> Hmm... imho, it just doesn't look as professional, not having it all under one site... but, it's that or take off the link to reviews... Go for it if you want :)
[13:43] <ryanakca> methinks we'll have to make a thread on kubuntuforums.org when the release comes around, to get people's opinions and reviews all in one page.
[13:45] <nosrednaekim> alright
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: here is a pretty decent list! http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.tuxmachines.org&q=kubuntu&sitesearch=www.tuxmachines.org&sa=Google+Search&client=pub-6816844301275330&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1&hl=en
[13:50] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: ah, tuxmachines.org , they have more than one review, thanks ;D
[13:51]  * ryanakca hates how when you search for "kubuntu" in google, they ask "did you mean /ubuntu/?"
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> mostly links to other reviews though,so you might not want to link JUST to the google redirect
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> heh.,.. yes, very annoying
[16:52] <Riddell> smarter: pong
[16:52] <smarter> hey Riddell
[16:52] <smarter> I've made a new patch to prevent the medianotifier popup in kde4
[16:53] <smarter> it's more clean
[16:53] <smarter> and you can easily add other modules to blacklist
[16:53] <smarter> http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kdelibs.debdiff
[16:54] <smarter> by default, it prevent loading of medianotifier, mediamanager, kmilod and kwrited
[16:54] <Riddell> groovy
[16:57] <smarter> with this patch enabled, we can drop kubuntu_9924_kde4_no_medianotifier.diff from kdebase
[16:57] <Riddell> yep
[16:57] <Riddell> looks good
[17:03] <smarter> I was wondering, does the medianotifier daemon popup too if you use a kde app on Gnome/XFCE/whatever?
[17:26] <Riddell> smarter: that I'm not sure
[17:37] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I have one question
[17:38] <gladtr> Hi
[17:38] <gladtr> i need help
[17:39] <gladtr>  I m have trouble after upgrade hardy with booting my kubuntu
[17:39] <gladtr> its switch initramfs  - minimal  boot
[17:40] <gladtr> what is this? any ideas?
[17:43] <gladtr>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/finish ...
[17:46] <awen-> gladtr: you should try asking for help in #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1
[19:48] <jjesse> afternoon everyone:)
[19:55] <jjesse> ok need a question answered: is upgrading from 7.10 KDE3 to KDE 4 supported?  if not how do i upgrade my kde 3 7.10 box -> kde4 8.04?
[19:56] <jjesse> would i first have to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 via the upgrade manager and then install kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[19:57] <jjesse> Riddell: can you help with above?  upgrade form 7.10 to 8.04 kde3 only supported?
[20:00] <smarter> weird
[20:01] <smarter> by default, qtconfig-qt4 use the "Sans Serif" fonts, and looks ugly, if I change it to "DejaVu Sans" it is as good as Qt3, but Qt3 use "Sans Serif", so I assume it's DejaVu Sans
[20:01] <Riddell> jjesse: upgade from 7.10 is for kde 3 only
[20:02] <Riddell> jjesse: then you can install kubuntu-kde4-desktop (which should appear in Add/Remove Programmes soon)
[20:03] <jjesse> Riddell: ok so in the section "upgrading Kubuntu" i need to phrase it so people understand
[20:03] <_StefanS_> evening
[20:03] <Riddell> jjesse: an upgrade will get you the newest kde 3.  if you want kde 4 that's a separate matter
[20:04] <jjesse> evening _StefanS_
[20:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've got the ui done, and need to attach functions to save, and load in it
[20:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: working on that now
[20:04] <jjesse> Riddell:  i understand.... so should i remove the whole section "upgrading" from the book that talks about upgrading from previous version to new version
[20:05] <jjesse> Riddell: and if i have 7.10 w/ kde4 packages installed will it upgrade correctlY?
[20:05] <smarter> Does someone know why Qt4 use some ugly font for Sans Serif instead of DejaVu Sans?
[20:05] <Riddell> jjesse: well you should say it'll upgrade kde 3.  if you have kde 4 packages installed it'll upgrade those too
[20:05] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks
[20:12] <smarter> apparently Qt4 use Nimbus Sans L instead of DejaVu Sans for Sans Serif
[20:12] <smarter> can anyone confirm?
[20:25] <jjesse> intersting in 8.04 (with Samba installed) i click on it under System settings and System Settings crashes... anyone else have this problem?
[20:37] <smarter> does anyone know what is the system-wide configuration file for Qt4?
[20:37] <smarter> (font bug reported: https://bugse.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/209358 )
[20:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209358 in qt4-x11 "fonts in Qt4 look ugly because it uses Nimbus Sans L instead of Deja Vu Sans for Sans-Serif" [Undecided,New]
[20:37] <smarter> *https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/209358
[20:38] <Riddell> smarter: see if there's any recent changes to fontconfig?
[20:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know how to get an extra .ui file included in an existing src package? I'm having trouble getting the .h file generated using uic
[20:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: KDE 3?
[20:41] <smarter> Riddell: I've always had this problem with Qt4 apps
[20:41] <Riddell> smarter: it's not something I've seen
[20:41] <Riddell> smarter: ArneGoetje is the dude who knows about fonts
[20:42] <smarter> does he usually idles in this channel?
[20:42] <Riddell> #u-d
[20:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kde3 yep
[20:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: add it to Makefile.am and run make -f admin/Makefile.cvs
[20:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll try that
[20:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm only got a nearly empty Makefile.common
[20:49] <Riddell> _StefanS_: well does it compile the .ui file?
[20:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope.. it complains during the end where it needs to do a .moc file from the .h (which is done from the .ui)
[20:50] <_StefanS_> odd
[20:50] <_StefanS_> ah maybe I found something..
[20:55] <jjesse> in kde4 8.04 why doesn't system settings show up in the search bar of the application launcher when i search for system, system settings or settings?
[20:56] <jjesse> ?
[20:56] <Riddell> jjesse: bug?
[20:56] <Riddell> it's in computer
[20:57] <jjesse> Riddell: i know it is in computer and also in favorites
[20:57] <Riddell> i guess th search is only for applications
[20:58] <Riddell> 6tmj
[20:58] <Riddell> y;.
[20:58] <jjesse> ?
[20:58] <jjesse> only for things in applications
[20:59] <Riddell> 876u
[20:59] <jjesse> sorry don't understand what you are typing
[21:02] <smarter> Riddell: you have exactly the same font in qtconfig-qt3 and qtconfig-qt4 ?
[21:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is there a way to ignore the reverse-patches section when doing debuild ? (I'm changing the source, so thats why it cant reverse them)
[21:04] <smarter> _StefanS_: -nc ?
[21:04] <Riddell> debuild -nc
[21:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well I need to clean the project since i want some of the files regenerated
[21:05] <Riddell> make clean
[21:05] <smarter> _StefanS_: do "debian/rules clean" first
[21:06] <_StefanS_> smarter: it makes the same reverse-patches error.. but i guess issuing a debuild -nc after it, will be just as good
[21:06] <Riddell> cats >:(
[21:07] <jjesse> oh wow... my dog just farted something nasty
[21:07] <jjesse> gagh
[21:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: actually it seems like the errors appears when it copies the stuff into obj-486, do you know where this happens?
[21:15] <awen_> ScottK: around?
[21:16] <awen_> ScottK: have been trying to reinstall knetworkmanager / network-manager while connected to a WPA network... it disconnected, but choosing the network again, and it connects as it should; and no errors is thrown to the syslog
[21:19] <smarter> What is the system-wide configuration file for Qt4?
[21:21] <fdoving> smarter: like /etc/qt3/qtrc or similar?
[21:21] <smarter> yes, but for qt4
[21:21] <awen_> ScottK: and you made an error on the last upload of kde-guidance... you based it on the wrong *ubuntu8 diff.gz so you "destroyed" the changes regarding suspend+brightness buttons again
[21:27] <awen_> ScottK: you should be able to reinsert it using this debdiff: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu8.debdiff (you probably wan't to change the version and mingle with the changelog, but it should apply)... or tell me if I should prepare a new debdiff where the patch/changes are reinserted?
[21:30] <awen_> ScottK: it doesn't seem that anything of yours are missing... but you might want to check it
[21:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its compiling now, seems that something was b0rked in the obj-486. Adding the patches prior to issuing the first debuild..
[21:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: makes it work.
[21:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: Monthly archive (similar to a blog, which is similar to what u.c is going for), or Press Room like u.c?
[21:52] <apachelogger> ryanakca: technically saied we don't have a press room
[21:52] <apachelogger> since we don
[21:52] <apachelogger> 't have press releases
[21:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: lol, ok.
[21:53] <ryanakca> apachelogger: so I'm guessing your vote is for the monthly archive?
[21:54]  * jpatrick goes to bed, g'night
[21:54] <ryanakca> night jpatrick
[21:54] <apachelogger> yeah, something like that :)
[21:54] <apachelogger> nini jpatrick
[21:54] <jjesse> good night jpatrick
[21:54] <jpatrick> ryanakca: have a break from the great work on the site and remember: http://ryanakca.youaremighty.com/
[21:55] <ryanakca> jpatrick: lol, ty :)
[22:16] <jjesse> quick question will Juk install the codecs automatically if you don'tt have them?
[22:17] <awen_> ScottK: ended up re-patching the current kde-guidance myself: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu10.debdiff ... this is based on the version currently in the archive (so as long as none of yours is missing, this should make things right again) :)
[22:45] <awen_> g'night people
[22:46] <awen_> ScottK: just ping me tomorrow if you have any questions regarding the kde-guidance
[23:28] <nixternal> Riddell: you wouldn't by chance have a copy of the high def version of the intro video Aaron played at the beginning of his KDE 4 release party keynote?
[23:28] <nixternal> I am trying to find some updated material so I can complete my presentation for this week
[23:31] <Riddell> nixternal: no, you'd need to ask aaron
[23:32] <nixternal> he must be afk this weekend