[00:00] <DanaG> STick those two together, you get Pentium 3D.
[00:01] <ere4si> blueyed: hi
[00:01] <jaffarkelshac> just fixed my res problem, edited the xorg. addes a subsection with mode now its 1200x800 at login and desktop
[00:02] <blueyed_> According to "lsmod" before and after, the modules removed by unload_network in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/50modules are missing after resume. I will re-open the bug report.
[00:02] <SpartanII117> nice,
[00:03] <SpartanII117> jeffar: fix your terminals problem?
[00:04] <jaffarkelshac> nahh
[00:04] <DanaG> Oh god, compiz looks hilariously bad if you use 3D with a 2-sided desktop/
[00:04] <jaffarkelshac> but i dont use tty1 just wanted the option
[00:05] <SpartanII117> can you boot into recovery mode?
[00:05] <DanaG> Before anybody tries it, I must say this: EPILEPSY WARNING!
[00:05] <DanaG> "it" being 2-sided cube with "3d" plugin.
[00:05] <crimsun> bah to window managers, generally.
[00:06] <SpartanII117> BB: dinner
[00:06] <DanaG> Oh hey, when I get my next laptop, I may ditch my Creative card (that now has the top removed).  Would there be any benefit to me giving it to any kernel developers, or such?
[00:10]  * tanner needs more decent movies to occupy my spring break with
[00:11] <DanaG> I just wish somebody would make an "oxygen" or "virtuoso" (what's the difference?) card for notebooks.
[00:11] <crimsun> DanaG: sure
[00:12] <poseidon> Installed flashplugin-nonfree and restarted firefox+ubuntu, but flash still doesn't seem to work.  Any suggestions as to how to get it to work?
[00:13] <jast-mxm> questions: I am using kde4 and i changed the window decoration from oxygen to kde 2 and kde now crashes at login
[00:13] <jast-mxm> is there a way to change the window decoration back via commandline?
[00:14] <DanaG> you could make the window manager not-executable, and then log in and reset the setting.
[00:14] <jast-mxm> oo how do i do that?
[00:14] <DanaG> find the path to kwin (or kwin-kde4) and sudo chmod -x /the/path
[00:15] <DanaG> And then to make it executable again, +x.
[00:15] <jast-mxm> awesome thanks, i'll give that a try
[00:15] <mat__> hi?
[00:16] <DanaG> !ask
[00:16] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:19] <mat__> hello... i have 8.04... and i have the dell e1705 laptop... it's my understanding that this wireless network adapter was should now be natively with the new kernel that came out... but i cant seem to get the network card working... any help?
[00:22] <gordon> Hobbsee, Your Help test LTS upgrade link in the Topic section takes you to how to upgrade - not how to test.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> hey danag
[00:24] <jast-mxm> it was plasma that was crashing
[00:24] <DanaG> aah.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> i am at least at my desktop w/ plasma disabled
[00:24] <DanaG> Cool.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> bu ti need to change that decor back so i can run this normally
[00:24] <DanaG> That 'chmod -x
[00:24] <DanaG> can be handy sometimes.
[00:25] <jast-mxm> yeah that did allow me to at least get here
[00:25] <jast-mxm> but i have to run everything from alt+f2
[00:25] <jast-mxm> since plasma is disabled
[00:25] <jast-mxm> i don't know what the command is to launch the system-settings window
[00:26] <DanaG> !beta
[00:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:26] <DanaG> !release
[00:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[00:26] <DanaG> baah, I'll just go to the fridge.
[00:26] <DanaG> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[00:28] <adinc> hello, i would like to make use of wicd, when i install this the package manager says that network-manager-gnome shold be removed (this is ok) but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, can someone tell me what i will miss when removing ubuntu-desktop
[00:28] <jast-mxm> brb
[00:30] <sintacto> just upgraded no sound
[00:30] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[00:31] <sintacto> I looked around but coulnt find a good how to
[00:31] <sintacto> any sugestions?
[00:32] <ryanov> adinc: Nothing.
[00:32] <sintacto> a command to switch back to alsa
[00:32] <sintacto> ?
[00:32] <ryanov> adinc: BTW, the wireless does still work for me.
[00:32] <ryanov> But someone was in here earlier saying theirs didn't.
[00:32] <ryanov> ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual, used to select a group of packages.
[00:32] <adinc> ryanov: there is a workaround which works for me aswell now
[00:32] <ryanov> You don't need it itself
[00:33] <adinc> ryanov: can i safely remove ubuntu-desktop?
[00:33] <ryanov> Yes, there are no files in the package.
[00:33] <adinc> ok
[00:33] <ryanov> Adding it back would put back network manager...that's about it.
[00:33] <jast-mxm> hmm
[00:33] <adinc> ryanov: what is this package then for
[00:33] <Roey> hi
[00:34] <Roey> anyone here have Youtube working on amd_64 kubuntu 8.04 ?
[00:34] <sintacto> pulse audio no worky?
[00:34] <jast-mxm> plasma is getting a signal 1 sigsev
[00:34] <jast-mxm> any idea how to fix this?
[00:34] <ryanov> adinc: To add all the pieces needed to have a Ubuntu desktop.
[00:34] <adinc> ryanov: did you see this workaround? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4612681#post4612681
[00:34] <tanner> flash is generally unstable on 64bit linux Roey, although it works at times on my ubuntu box
[00:34] <ryanov> It's like having a keyword for a bunch of packages.
[00:35] <ryanov> But doesn't contain any files itself.
[00:35] <sintacto> no sound for 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[00:35] <Roey> tanner, you're referring to Gnash specifically?
[00:35] <ryanov> Makes it easy to install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop and make all the changes needed at once.
[00:35] <tanner> Roey: no? the Adobe binary for flash support
[00:35] <Roey> oh
[00:35] <Roey> they have a package for amd64????
[00:36] <jast-mxm> anyone familiar w/ plasma causing a sigsev?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: Thanks for that. I actually happened to hear that another way.
[00:36] <tanner> roey, no
[00:36] <adinc> ryanov: ryanov how?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: I am a member of the network manager list.
[00:36] <jimiridge> still up taner?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: And I asked a question about iwlwifi and WPA a few weeks ago.
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  oh... you used a hack hehe
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: i see
[00:37] <ryanov> adinc: That was their answer.
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  some sort of hack to get it all working
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: i'm happy there is a solution
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  I have a 64-bit intel core here
[00:37] <ryanov> I only have WEP working -- haven't had occasion to try WPA yet since I reinstalled.
[00:37] <ryanov> Anyhow, I have to go off to my evening. TTFN, glad to hear everyone's set now. :)
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: me too, i'm working with wep
[00:37] <jimiridge> heh
[00:38] <tanner> roey there is a wrapper that allows it to work
[00:38] <jimiridge> wep sucks i can crack it ;)
[00:38] <tanner> jimiridge: welcome to 2005
[00:38] <jimiridge> can even crack WPA if your key is in my dictionary word list
[00:40] <jimiridge> last i checked it was 2008
[00:41] <tanner> indeed
[00:44] <DanaG> My passphrase is *************************  <- that many characters
[00:45] <DanaG> with_MIXED_CASE;and_punctuation.
[00:45] <DarkMageZ> ah, i was wondering why i couldn't bruteforce yours. i wasn't extreme enough :p
[00:47] <DanaG> Oh, and I use WPA2 with AES.
[00:49] <DanaG> Too bad you can't Wine Steam from an NTFS-3G partition.
[00:50] <dns53> well you can ln -s to the big data files from windows
[00:51] <DanaG> I tried running it directly, and got errors about something about memory mapping.
[00:51] <DanaG> heh, I like unicode.  File name I have:   ファルコン☆パーン（イ゛ェアアアアアMIX）.avi
[00:51] <DanaG> What does it say?  I don't have a clue.  But it's something amusing.
[00:52] <jimiridge> ln -s /mn/NTFSroot/  /home/user42/.wine/drive_c/SubC_drive
[00:52] <DanaG> Well, right now my ntfs thingy is RO due to unclean unmount, anyway.
[00:52] <jimiridge> dunno how well a "real" install would work as a wine root
[00:52] <DanaG> Oh, and Wine+Pulseaudio == does not work.
[00:54] <dns53> i would expect there is a mount option to use utf8 names instead of just english names, that would fix that problem
[00:55] <DanaG> That's not the issue.  utf-8 works fine.
[00:55] <jimiridge> guess it would be worth a try dump the full registry and import it to wine
[00:56] <DanaG> The problem is some specific filesystem action -- a specific way of opening a file -- that ntfs-3g does not support.
[00:56] <mttr> would there be  a grub issue on the latest beta
[00:57] <KalEl> for some reason gpm is not putting my display to sleep, can anyone help?
[00:59] <jimiridge> gpm? the mouse daemon? or apm the advanced power manager?
[00:59] <dns53> or gdm?
[02:02] <shirish> DanaG: can u look at bug 203513
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[02:03] <SpartanII117> wine does work with a system root form an actuall install of XP.
[02:04] <jimiridge> have you tried?
[02:04] <KalEl> gnome power manager
[02:05] <KalEl> sorry
[02:06] <SpartanII117> yes
[02:06] <shirish> KalEl: what are/were u saying about gnome-power-manager?
[02:06] <KalEl> thanks that bug seems to summarize it, i'll put my gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose entry
[02:07] <KalEl> shirish, g-p-m doesn't put my screen to suspend even though i've asked it to
[02:07] <KalEl> instead the screensaver continues to display
[02:07] <mttr> having a problem with grub after install  can someone help
[02:08] <shirish> KalEl: this is the problem even I'm having, look at bug 203513
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[02:08] <KalEl> yes thanks, i'll put my comment up there
[02:08] <shirish> KalEl: cool :)
[02:08] <jaffarkelshac> i cant get the command get to work
[02:09] <SpartanII117> wget?
[02:09] <jaffarkelshac> so there is not get?, wget works
[02:10] <SpartanII117> get is not a valid ubuntu command
[02:10] <jaffarkelshac> it might have been a typo then
[02:11] <SpartanII117> are you looking for git, the content management system?
[02:14] <shirish> KalEl: did u put up the comment on the bug?
[02:14] <KalEl> just now did
[02:14] <shirish> SpartanII117: shouldn't it be source content management system?
[02:14] <shirish> ;)
[02:15] <SpartanII117> yes
[02:15] <SpartanII117> well i'll be off... about to go watch terminator...
[02:16] <KalEl> for desktop it probably won't matter as much, but for laptops it will cause problem - can we set the priority to high?
[02:16] <shirish> KalEl: how were u able to get the --verbose thing?
[02:16] <Luckrider> does anyone know of a dock for Hardy Heron?
[02:17] <mttr> its avant or something
[02:17] <KalEl> shirish, i killed gnome-power-manager, then i started it with "--no-daemon --verbose" switches
[02:17] <shirish> KalEl: give me in baby steps, would do the same, and post my findings too as well.
[02:18] <L33tMasta> I'm having issues streaming avi, MP3, MKV and other media files from a wired Vista PC to an 8.04 Ubuntu setup that's 4 days old. I can't access the Vista PC via the network but i can mount it maually using the "Connect to server" option
[02:19] <KalEl> shirish, open terminal, type the following two commands "killall gnome-power-manager", "gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose 1& > ~/gpm.txt" will create the file. Use Control-C to get back to the terminal
[02:20] <L33tMasta> Also when movie player DOES play anything, it plays it very slowly
[02:24] <cyclonut> howdy folks :)
[02:24] <L33tMasta> sup
[02:24] <cyclonut> I am in need of a few kind souls who are in the mood to help me out... I am testing a bit of software and I need some visitors
[02:25] <L33tMasta> what kind of program?
[02:26] <cyclonut> L33tMasta: website. wanna hit it?
[02:26] <L33tMasta> I'm down
[02:26] <L33tMasta> url?
[02:28] <baudelaire> Hey guys -- has anyone been having the same problem with Audacious I have?  The audacious presets/equilizer do not work or are miscalibrated -- the only way to get a "normal" sounding music fiile is to turn the equilizer off
[02:28] <KalEl> shirish, another problem i am facing is that after the computer wakes up from suspend (to RAM), it behaves as if i've removed the ethernet chord - no LAN connection detected till reboot
[02:29] <KalEl> not sure if you can confirm it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/206397
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206397 in acpi-support "Hardy - network (LAN) stops after suspend to ram" [Undecided,New]
[02:29] <cyclonut> you entered your location as "hell" which doesnt work
[02:30] <cyclonut> :-P
[02:30] <L33tMasta> ahaha
[02:30] <shirish> KalEl: this is strange, gpm.txt is empty
[02:31] <KalEl> your gpm.txt? you can try removing the "1& > ~/gpm.txt" part
[02:31] <KalEl> and see if anything comes on the terminal
[02:31] <KalEl> then copy/paste to some text file
[02:32] <shirish> KalEl: would do, btw shouldn't it be sudo killall gnome-powermanager
[02:32] <KalEl> yeah right
[02:32] <shirish> sudo killall gnome-power-manager
[02:32] <KalEl> ok thanks... i'll catch some sleep and will check back the status of the bug later :)
[02:34] <L33tMasta> Does anyone have any ideas as to the network issue I'm having?
[02:36] <ZiggyFish_laptop> hey, I just installed the beta of ubuntu 8.04, and now I have a problem with sound, it's distorted.
[02:37] <davmonster> will I be able to update the HH beta up to HH final without uninstalling the beta?
[02:37] <katakaio> davmonster: Yes, you won't have any trouble there
[02:38] <dns53> yes, just dist-upgrade after it is released
[02:38] <davmonster> sweet
[02:38] <davmonster> thanks!
[02:38] <katakaio> No problem
[02:38] <katakaio> Has anyone here tweaked their Compiz settings in Hardy?
[02:38] <Cristatus> there's no IRC clients bundled with HH?
[02:38] <ZiggyFish_laptop> is this a problem with my drivers
[02:38] <katakaio> (a la cube, expose, etc)
[02:39] <katakaio> Cristatus: Yes, Pidgin handles IRC
[02:39] <Cristatus> apart from pidgin
[02:39] <Cristatus> i don't really like pidgin for IRC
[02:39] <bastid_raZor> Cristatus; i use Xchat .. i like it better than Pidgin's IRC protocol
[02:39] <dns53> i use xchat myself
[02:39] <Cristatus> i'm using Xchat at the moment
[02:39] <katakaio> I didn't like it until I downloaded the Pidgin Pack
[02:39] <timing> This channel is getting bigger and bigger :-)
[02:39] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyone?
[02:39] <emma> Hello friendly people
[02:40] <katakaio> This included some plugins called IRC Helper, IRC More, etc
[02:40] <Cristatus> except that i'm used to using mIRC, and that has ctrl-tab features to switch between joined channels
[02:40] <katakaio> Well then I guess the answer is no
[02:40] <bastid_raZor> !sound | ZiggyFish_laptop
[02:40] <ubotu> ZiggyFish_laptop: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:40] <timing> is there a powerpc version for hardy heron? I have an old macmini which i want to turn into an ubuntu desktop
[02:40] <Cristatus> what's the pidgin pack?
[02:40] <emma> Cristatus,  i recommend xchat
[02:41] <katakaio> pidgin-plugin-pack
[02:41] <emma> katakaio, huh, what's that?
[02:41] <Cristatus> is that for pidgin?
[02:41] <katakaio> Apt-get that one for a slew of light, useful plugins for Pidgin
[02:41] <katakaio> Sure is
[02:41] <Cristatus> ooo...
[02:41] <emma> I have pidgin
[02:41] <Cristatus> i thoguht that was for xchat
[02:41] <timing> is there a powerpc version for hardy heron? I have an old macmini which i want to turn into an ubuntu desktop
[02:41] <emma> I think for chat on IRC xchat is much much better than pidgin
[02:41] <katakaio> Nope - you download the package and only enable the plugins you want
[02:41] <davmonster> irssi ftw
[02:41] <Cristatus> are there any interesting plugins for xchat?
[02:41] <emma> Pidgin is a messenger client.
[02:42] <emma> Cristatus check out #xchat
[02:42] <katakaio> emma: I agree, although since I use Pidgin for everything else, it was convenient
[02:42] <bastid_raZor> katakaio; i'll have to try that out..
[02:42] <Cristatus> thanks emma
[02:42] <katakaio> And the pack takes out the rough edges of IRC
[02:42] <AutoMatriX> hi folks, there's a bug in Gutsy which does not allow me to use my stylus on my Toshiba m200 .... how can I know if this is fixed in Hardy ?
[02:42] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: try the Ubuntu forums
[02:43] <EnderTheThird> Anyone able to point me to some info on getting Vinagre up and running?  What do I need to do to enable VNC connections on my computers?
[02:43] <katakaio> I often go there to see if some other brave soul has seen if the problem is fixed in an alpha/beta
[02:43] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, tx, I'm lost in there, that's why I came to ask it here .... English is not my strongest point :(
[02:44] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: I see. You sound great to me :-D
[02:44] <Armagguedes> hello
[02:44] <katakaio> Unfortunately, the odds of someone in here having tried your specific issue are very slim
[02:44] <Armagguedes> i've just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it's not recognizing my pendrives when i insert them
[02:45] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I'm so sorr but I realy do not understand what you mean
[02:45] <Armagguedes> HAL is installed
[02:45] <davmonster> how unstable is HH?
[02:45] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: There are less than 300 people in this chat room
[02:45] <davmonster> is it useable until april 24th?
[02:45] <katakaio> There is a very low chance that someone here will have solved your problem
[02:45] <davmonster> or is it likely to crash and burn everything
[02:46] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, so that means that nobody will be able to answer me, is that correct ?
[02:46] <katakaio> davmonster: I've found that the distro itself is pretty solid, but it causes other programs to crash with some regularity
[02:46] <patrickva>  I burnt an iso image of ubuntu and i tried the "try ubuntu" option, but it brings me to a command prompt
[02:46] <katakaio> So it won't burn everything or even crash the OS
[02:46] <patrickva> And it doesn't load up
[02:46] <Luckrider> Hi, does anyone know how to get the emerald themes to work with compiz fusion
[02:46] <patrickva> A bunch of errors appear
[02:46] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: probably not
[02:46] <davmonster> 'other programs'?
[02:46] <patrickva> What gives?
[02:46] <Luckrider> any help is greatly appreciated
[02:47] <katakaio> For me, the list so far is gnome-panel, pidgin, banshee, deluge
[02:47] <davmonster> ah, ta
[02:47] <patrickva> Anyone?
[02:47] <katakaio> Annoying? Yes, but life-threatening? nope
[02:48] <katakaio> patrickva: I haven't tried the "Try Ubuntu" option
[02:48] <Luckrider> hm patrickva
[02:48] <Pici> !patience | patrickva
[02:48] <ubotu> patrickva: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:48] <Luckrider> it is passible that there is a disk error
[02:48] <katakaio> I've only done a clean install
[02:48] <Luckrider> or, it is a hardware issue
[02:48] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, thanks anyway, I'll try to check it using a beta version
[02:48] <jimiridge> huh?
[02:48] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Wish we could be more helpful. Good luck!
[02:48] <AirBender> anyone having big issues with nspluginwrapper on hadry amd64?
[02:48] <Luckrider> I haven't tried he try ubuntu option either, I just used my disk for install
[02:49] <Boohbah> what is ubuntu version 9 going to be called?
[02:49] <Boohbah> indignant ibis?
[02:49] <katakaio> Intrepid Ibex?
[02:49] <AirBender> but this is 8.10
[02:49] <Luckrider> is that final already?
[02:49] <Boohbah> oh there is an 8.10?
[02:49] <Luckrider> the name
[02:49] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, maybe next time ;) I hope there is a live version of that beta and I hope it will not mess up my configuration
[02:50] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: I think there is a live option on the standard CD (called "Try Ubuntu")
[02:50] <patrickva> It loads a bootloader>command prompt
[02:50] <patrickva> Instead of going to a GUI
[02:50] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:50] <Luckrider> that is strange
[02:50] <patrickva> I have a Nvidia8800GTX card
[02:50] <patrickva> Should I switch to the onboard graphics card?
[02:50] <Luckrider> it never did that with older version
[02:50] <Luckrider> *versions
[02:50] <Luckrider> It should automaticly choose one
[02:50] <katakaio> patrickva: Congrats on the card, but nvidia cards don't play nice with Ubuntu out of the box
[02:51] <Luckrider> Mine loaded without the graphics card at first
[02:51] <patrickva> That's pretty cool of the Ubuntu developers to do that.
[02:51] <patrickva> Not.
[02:51] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, that's correct, for the Alpha which is running on another machine.  I'll cross my fingers for the beta :D
[02:51] <Meatgrinder> nice tude
[02:51] <katakaio> patrickva: Can you see if the vesa driver is loaded instead of the nvidia driver at install?
[02:51] <Luckrider> yeah but still, the live should run in gui without a graphics card
[02:52] <patrickva> How do I tell?
[02:52] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: It is on the beta. I remember installing it on my computer and seeing that option
[02:52] <EnderTheThird> What do I need to do to enable remote connections via VNC/Vinagre?
[02:52] <patrickva> It gives a bunch of errors at the bootloader command prompt too
[02:52] <patrickva> It worked before I had the new Nvidia card.
[02:52] <katakaio> patrickva: Oh, yikes - it's been too long
[02:52] <Luckrider> there could be something wrong with the disk
[02:52] <jimiridge> you know what. since i have like 3 ubuntu boxes it might prove usefull to make a nfs server for /var/cache/apt
[02:52] <patrickva> Okay..
[02:52] <Meatgrinder> might want to checksum
[02:53] <katakaio> Vesa is sort of like the generic video driver that will at least get you to install successfuly
[02:53] <patrickva> The 7.04 Ubuntu disk made my computer beep
[02:53] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, thanks again, I've got another question which might not be on topic here ... but is it possible to downgrade from gutsy to feisty ?
[02:53] <jimiridge> ubuntu mirrors prolly hate me
[02:53] <katakaio> *sucessfully
[02:53] <katakaio> *er, you know what i mean :P
[02:53] <Luckrider> btw, does anyone know how to use emerald themes with fusion?
[02:53] <Meatgrinder> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[02:53] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Yes and no - you can perform a clean Feisty install
[02:54] <katakaio> However, the kernel will be updated to the most recent version, which may not be what you want
[02:54] <Luckrider> I have compiz fusion and it works, and I have emerald, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the themes
[02:54] <katakaio> I do not know of a way to down-grade in the OS
[02:54] <Pici> Downgrading is not supported.
[02:55] <Luckrider> frsh install is though
[02:55] <Luckrider> *fresh
[02:55] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I should have had that idea myself if, sorry to bother you with stupid questions
[02:55] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Don't worry! That is why we are here
[02:55] <jimiridge> you could make a whole system backup like a gentoo stage 4
[02:56] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, downloading the beta right now, otherwise I'll have to go back to Feisty ...
[02:56] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: good luck
[02:57] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: what is your first language?
[02:57] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I do thik I will need it
[02:57] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, dutch and/or french
[02:57] <katakaio> !fr | AutoMatriX
[02:57] <ubotu> AutoMatriX: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:58] <tanner> meh, well, now im bored as hell
[02:58] <katakaio> There may be a Dutch channel as well
[02:58] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, there's nobody answering or awake there anymore :D
[02:58] <katakaio> Ah, you already tried - sorry
[02:58] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, it's 0358 in europe, right now
[02:59] <Luckrider> that is early
[02:59] <davmonster> it's 2:58 I think
[02:59] <davmonster> unless you are talking about spain
[02:59] <Luckrider> I have had some of those mornings
[02:59] <davmonster> and east europe
[02:59] <katakaio> Sometimes you'll get people from Vietnam or Polynesia in there
[03:00] <davmonster> but yeah, it's late/early
[03:00] <AutoMatriX> davmonster, we just switched from winter to summer time, so 0200 has become 030 Hrs
[03:00] <davmonster> I know
[03:00] <davmonster> heh
[03:00] <katakaio> gtg . . . good luck everyone
[03:00] <davmonster> but it was only an hour
[03:00] <davmonster> not 2
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> Anybody up for a mind bender?
[03:04] <Cristatus> depends whether it's ubuntu related or not
[03:04]  * tanner is bored
[03:04] <emma> Is it related to Ubuntu?
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> yes
[03:04] <Cristatus> if it isn't, i may be
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> I am running 8.04beta and I have Opera installed and Firefox-2 installed.  In the preferred applications I have set firefox as being the default browser for opening url's.  I have two url's saved on my desktop and when I click on one it opens firefox, however when I click on the other it opens opera.  If I drag a url from firefox's url bar to the desktop and then double-click on the newly created icon it still opens opera.  Why if firefox is s
[03:04] <Cristatus> if it is, i'm not experienced enough
[03:05] <emma> ReflectiveSight, I saw you ask that same question in #ubuntu
[03:05] <ReflectiveSight> then I was sent here :)
[03:05] <Cristatus> are there and extensions on the file?
[03:05] <jimiridge> fricken console-kit-daemon
[03:05] <emma> Oh. I hope someone can help you.
[03:06] <ReflectiveSight> the file is just the standard icon that gets created when you drag a url from the browser to the desktop.
[03:07] <ReflectiveSight> an ls shows that both of the files have a .desktop extension and are both test files.
[03:07] <baudelaire> Hey guys -- has anyone been having the same problem with Audacious I have?  The audacious presets/equilizer do not work or are mis calibrated (i.e. sounds horrible) -- the only way to get a "normal" sounding music fiile is to turn the equilizer off
[03:07] <ReflectiveSight> test=text
[03:08] <Cristatus> to install conky on HH, do I just do sudo apt-get install conky ?
[03:08] <Cristatus> or is there a different procedure for HH?
[03:09] <jianfei> cris: i just use synaptic
[03:09] <jianfei> im running conky now
[03:11] <jaffarkelshac> any good games for hardy
[03:11] <Cristatus> jianfei, do i have to use a different repo?
[03:11] <jianfei> no
[03:11] <Cristatus> or does it come from the default list of repos?
[03:12] <jianfei> default
[03:13] <Boohbah> jaffarkelshac: enemy territory
[03:13] <jianfei> cris: the go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865 for some setups
[03:13] <Cristatus> i've already got a set up i'd like to use, but thanks for the link
[03:13] <Cristatus> i'll bookmark it
[03:14] <jianfei> cheers
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> can someone please point me in the direction of precise directions as to how i add 8.04 beta to a macbookpro (first gen) thatrs already a vista leopard dual boot environment?
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> ive run the liveCD and everything including my dual monitor setup works
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> its time to get back to where i belong
[03:18] <Boohbah> shadeofgrey: try gparted or qtparted to resize partitions
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> uhm
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> no
[03:23] <ethana2> whoa
[03:23] <ethana2> pidgin went to 2.4
[03:23] <ethana2> heh, i was confused for a while
[03:23] <ethana2> 'why is it acting different today?'
[03:23] <poseidon> Does ubuntu have some sort of psuedo ctrl+alt+del ?
[03:24] <jimiridge> doing that on console causes a reboot to be initiated
[03:25] <Lazarus> Hello all...I have a VNC question that I havn't found an answer to in the forums. Details follow:
[03:26] <Lazarus> I've installed 8.04 on a PC, and I can VNC into the "shared" desktop session no problem, but I want to be able to vnc into a completely different session, so two users can use the PC at the same time.
[03:26] <Lazarus> Everything I've tried has resulted in errors, or a gray screen with the X cursor.
[03:26] <thelsdj> how can I get firefox to act as xulrunner? with a firefox 3.0 beta download i can run 'firefox -app myapplication.ini' but can't do that with the firefox built into hardy, thoughts?
[03:30] <EnsGabe> Just did an update cycle, and now nspluginviewer crashes on all flash objects using Konqueror.  Works fine in Firefox, and I'm using Gnash, so not an Adobe issue.  Any ideas?
[03:35] <cyclonut> does anyone else get a "cannot unmount volume" error message when ejecting a CD
[03:35] <Armagguedes> i've just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it's not recognizing my pendrives when i insert them
[03:36] <DanaG> Oh, I've been pinged.
[03:37] <adlin5000> not sure if this is a hardy bug or not so I'll just ask, I just installed gxine (along with all dependencies). now all video (totem, gxine, firefox) all have a blue tint. any thoughts
[03:38] <shirish> DanaG: did u see the issue I mentioned?
[03:39] <Armagguedes> on kubuntu hardy kde4, how do i install the kde3 desktop?
[03:39] <cyclonut> gosh darnit
[03:39] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[03:39] <DanaG> oh.
[03:39] <cyclonut> latest updates broke sound
[03:39] <jast-mxm> any way to force a reinstall of plasma?
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:39] <shirish> bug 203513
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[03:39] <jast-mxm> and put everything back to defaults?
[03:40] <shirish> DanaG: tyom thought perhaps u can do something about it? At the very least see if u have the same issue
[03:40] <jast-mxm> how can i force a reinstall of plasma so everything resets to defaults?
[03:41] <jimiridge> whats plasma? does it have a .plasma folder in your home dir?
[03:41] <jast-mxm> or at least force a reinstall of kde and all its dependencies?
[03:41] <keith-> jast-mxm: it probably has a folder in .kde you can delete
[03:42] <jast-mxm> plasma is the prettiness in kde
[03:42] <jimiridge> rm ~/.plasma/*
[03:42] <jast-mxm> ok because i changed plasma's window decor to kde 2 and it crashes now
[03:42] <jimiridge> or .kde will remove your saved settings
[03:42] <jast-mxm> its the equivalent of not having explorer in windows
[03:42] <DanaG> WTF?  I horizontal scrolled and got a helluvalot of 'back' and 'forward' actions!
[03:42] <DanaG> GOod way to lock up Firefox.
[03:43] <DanaG> BackBackBackBackBackBackBackBackForwardForwardForwardBack
[03:43] <pppoe_dude> Hello
[03:43] <Hydrogen> yea
[03:43] <Hydrogen> firefox is pretty bad
[03:43] <Hydrogen> at switching between pages
[03:43] <davmonster> hello
[03:43] <Hydrogen> and in general
[03:43] <Hydrogen> but
[03:43] <Hydrogen> especially there
[03:44] <pppoe_dude> If anyone here has a nice hardy setup and would like to share their desktop, please post it to www.xshot.org and share!
[03:44] <jast-mxm> well deleting .kde didn't work
[03:44] <jast-mxm> i might just have to reinstall
[03:45] <adlin5000> not sure if this is a hardy bug or not so if this is the wromg place to ask let me know. I just installed gxine (along with all dependencies). now all video (totem, gxine, firefox) all have a blue tint. Im running 8.04 beta with everything updated. any thoughts?
[03:46] <pppoe_dude> just trying to get a bunch of community screenshots rather than one style of screenshots for hardy, since a lot of people are looking for hardy screenies
[03:47] <pppoe_dude> this is the hardy page so far: http://www.xshot.org/category/os/ubuntu-hardy-heron-810?
[03:48] <pppoe_dude> and as you can see, not interesting stuff in there :)
[03:48] <pppoe_dude> not much*
[03:49] <jast-mxm> ok, so here is my situation, i need to basically force reinstall of plasma because it keeps crashing everything i startup kde
[03:49] <jast-mxm> if that doesn't work i'm just reinstalling
[03:50] <dns53> have you tried apt-get --reinstall install application?
[03:50] <cyclonut> anyone getting horribly choppy sound in VLC on dvd playback?
[03:50] <jast-mxm> yeah :(
[03:50] <jast-mxm> well i tried reinstalling libplasma0 which is the only thing i can seem to think of that is plasma
[03:51] <dns53> well apt-get --purge remove application and start again and see if that helps
[03:51]  * DanaG wonders if Wine will be installed by default, since Hardy offers to autorun CD stuff.
[03:51] <jast-mxm> i'll try it
[03:52] <cyclonut> jast-mxm: what about kdecore?
[03:52] <cyclonut> jast-mxm: from what I am reading, it contains plasma
[03:52] <jast-mxm> reinstall that too?
[03:52] <jast-mxm> ok
[03:52] <cyclonut> kde4-core
[03:52] <jast-mxm> because basically once i changed the window decor to kde2 from oxygen plasma just crashes upon login
[03:53] <jast-mxm> so do a purge remove of kde4-core and libplasma0
[03:53] <jast-mxm> then reinstall
[03:53] <jast-mxm> here's hoping for the best ^_^
[03:54] <Rukus> hi. in my "hardware drivers manager" it lists nothing. is this normal? i have done all the hardy upgrades. i wanted to use ti to enable proprietary drivers for b3
[03:54] <Rukus> b43
[03:55] <jimiridge> pppoe_dude, you do know there are minor if even vidual changes in the hardy/gutsy default install
[03:55] <keith-> Rukus: you can enable it with the restricted driver manager i believe... or is it not in there either
[03:55] <Rukus> i think what i am referring to is the new version of that
[03:55] <Rukus> or i dont know
[03:55] <Wrath> If your trying to install a 43xx wireless card, i've been having trouble getting my 4318 to work
[03:55] <pppoe_dude> jimiridge, yes hence i asked if anyone has a nice setup, not necessarily the default one
[03:55] <jimiridge> biggest diff is the wallpaper
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> so that people can see :)
[03:56] <Rukus> bah thats what i have Wrath
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> i guess to showcase the potential, etc
[03:56] <Wrath> I think i might have finally got it, but i have a feeling when I reboot its going to die again.
[03:56] <MTecknology> Why can I not run a signed java applet, but I can run an unsigned applet
[03:57] <Wrath> It wouldn't even let me use the ndiswrapper drivers, because the b43 and ssb refused to stay unloaded.
[03:57] <Rukus> well surely my modem, graphics card and wireless card are supposed to show up in my Hardware Device Manager? but thye do not!!
[03:58] <Wrath> My wireless card showed up there, but installing that driver didn't work.
[03:58] <jast-mxm> you're my hero!
[03:58] <jast-mxm> i'll post this one the forums
[03:58] <Rukus> i just recently did all upgrades and apparently that was supposed to fix it. well my wireless light is actually on.. but
[03:58] <Wrath> Its not detecting any networks?
[03:58] <Rukus> no
[03:58] <jast-mxm> i did a little more than just a purge of libplasma1 and kde4-core
[03:59] <jast-mxm> i also removed .kde and .kde4
[03:59] <Rukus> wait
[03:59] <Rukus> it is now!
[03:59] <Rukus> knetwork manager isnt doing anything tho
[04:00] <Wrath> I'll brb, I'm going to reboot and see if i actually got this fixed
[04:00] <Wrath> then i'll tell you what i did if it worked
[04:02] <MTecknology> 8.04 runs Java on 64bit Firefox but it will only run unsigned applets. Is this a bug, something that hasn't been implemented yet, or just a huge gap that needs to be met someday? Anybody know?
[04:03] <MTecknology> hrm.... I made that bold :S
[04:05] <Rukus> Wrath u here
[04:07] <Rukus> ok seriously. nothing shows up in my hardware drivers manaager
[04:09] <Wrath> Get the wireless it to work yet?
[04:09] <Wrath> *Get the wireless to work yet?
[04:11] <ZiggyFish_laptop> ubotu: the tutorial that you directed to me, didn't work, but, changing the PCM volume in gnome-volume-control did, thanks
[04:11] <jast-mxm> rukus: what does lspci show you in the console?
[04:12] <Rukus> i tried modprobe b43 and the light came on
[04:13] <Rukus> 03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[04:13] <Rukus> i am gonna reboot maybe
[04:14] <jast-mxm> so apparently xinerama still is a no go w/ desktop effects
[04:15] <jast-mxm> because i am using 2 monitors on 2 gfx cards i have to use xinerama to have 1 extended desktop
[04:17] <EnderTheThird> Can someone tell me what's going on with tab completion in Hardy?  it's not working for apt-get
[04:18] <jast-mxm> are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:18] <jast-mxm> er...rather gnome or kde?
[04:19] <EnderTheThird> Ubuntu, Gnome
[04:19] <jast-mxm> hmm, i'm not sure, i had no issues w/ gnome and tab completion but i do have plenty to say about tab completion in kde
[04:19] <Wrath> EnderTheThird: It doesn't work with me for atp-get either in kubuntu beta 1
[04:20] <EnderTheThird> It's incredibly annoying...  :-/
[04:23] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:23] <sintacto> not working with pulse audio
[04:23] <jast-mxm> yeah, i can't get it to work w/ apt-get or aptitude
[04:24] <sintacto> any ideas
[04:26] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:26] <sintacto> help?
[04:26] <jester7> anyone here on amd64 version?
[04:26] <EnderTheThird> jester7: yeah
[04:27] <sintacto> 386
[04:27] <mttr_1> i can't it to boot up on the hard drive,, god i hate grub
[04:28] <sintacto> who has sound?
[04:28] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i have a weird issue, but i can only replicate it on one website.  wanted to see if you get it too.  http://img.4chan.org/v/
[04:28] <jimiridge> dangit
[04:28] <EnderTheThird> jest7:   .... what's the problem?
[04:28] <jimiridge> i just found out my webcam nolonger auto works like it did with gutsy
[04:28] <EnderTheThird> jester7, i mean
[04:28] <jimiridge> and i dont know what kernel module it used
[04:29] <jester7> EnderTheThird: the page does not show up unless i scroll down then back up
[04:29] <mttr_1> i would like just to boot up.. grub isn't getting installed correctly
[04:29] <EnderTheThird> jester7: It's probably just crappy webpage design.
[04:29] <sintacto> mttr_1 try lilo?
[04:29] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  I'm getting some problems with the alignment and whatnot too.
[04:29] <jester7> EnderTheThird: but it doesn't happen on any other.  not windows, not gutsy, not hardy 32bit
[04:30] <mttr_1> there was no lilo option during the install process
[04:30] <sintacto> oh
[04:30] <talntid> dumdedum
[04:30] <talntid> half way through the hardy upgrade...
[04:30] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i dont' even know how to explain the issue.  does that site work for you?
[04:30] <sintacto> way dumb
[04:30] <sintacto> were are the smarty guys
[04:30] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  not sure.  I can see the site no problem, and everything on it.  but i get alignment problems and images appearing over text after scrolling up and down
[04:31] <sintacto> who could send me off on a path to fixing 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:31] <sintacto> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[04:31] <jester7> EnderTheThird: ahh, see, i get that too, but the weird part is that i have to scroll down, then back up, to even see it.  otherwise, the last page i was at is still there
[04:31] <jester7> i have to scroll down and up to make it go away
[04:32] <jester7> even when i switch tabs
[04:33] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  maybe a video driver problem.  i'm on nvidia, whatever driver's in the repos
[04:33] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i'm on ATI's newest, that could be it, it's just odd that that webpage is the only one i can replicate it on
[04:34] <Wrath> It might just be a coding error with that site too
[04:34] <lxuser> hey im having problems with my resolution
[04:34] <sintacto> there are other web pages to look at jester7
[04:34] <lxuser> i started out in 640x480 and tried the reconfigure script
[04:35] <cyclonut> is anyone else having terrible (unusable) DVD playback under hardy?
[04:35] <sintacto> no sound
[04:35] <sintacto> sound?
[04:35] <lxuser> that didnt really do anything so i changed it in xorg.conf to 800x600 just playing around, now my stuff is sort of screwed up
[04:35] <sintacto> hear stuff?
[04:35] <lxuser> is there another reconfigure script i dont know about?
[04:35] <cyclonut> Ive got plenty of sound
[04:35] <cyclonut> its choppy though
[04:35] <sintacto> pulse audio help
[04:35] <cyclonut> the image is trash too
[04:36] <sintacto> free beer
[04:36] <sintacto> !!!!!!1!
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <lxuser> ... guess not.
[04:36] <cyclonut> lxuser: no I dont think there is
[04:36] <cyclonut> lxuser: have you tried just deleting xorg.conf?
[04:37] <cyclonut> (and of course, by 'delete' I mean rename to something else)
[04:37] <lxuser> is that a good idea?
[04:37] <cyclonut> latest X can run without it
[04:37] <cyclonut> but
[04:37] <Wrath> Did you try to do: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[04:37] <jast-mxm> how about cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bkcp
[04:37] <lxuser> of course
[04:37] <jast-mxm> just in case :P
[04:37] <cyclonut> remember that you can switch to a text terminal with ctrl + alt + F1-6
[04:37] <cyclonut> lxuser: then you can just restore your partially-working xorg.conf
[04:38] <lxuser> well im in xorg now
[04:38] <lxuser> but the enhancment thingy crashed
[04:38] <lxuser> whatever its called
[04:38] <jast-mxm> lxuser: what graphics card are you using?
[04:38] <lxuser> and im stuck in 640x480
[04:38] <lxuser> a geforce 7600
[04:38] <jast-mxm> ok, this will be your best friend
[04:39] <jast-mxm> nvidia-xserver-settings
[04:39] <lxuser> command not found
[04:39] <jast-mxm> er sorry, sudo apt-get nvidia-xconfig
[04:39] <jast-mxm> then run that
[04:39] <lxuser> ah
[04:39] <jast-mxm> run it in your x server though
[04:40] <jast-mxm> and make sure you have your restricted drivers enabled
[04:40] <lxuser> yeah i dled those
[04:40] <jast-mxm> so when you  goto the restricted drivers it says the ones for nvidia are in use yes?
[04:40] <lxuser> nvidia-xserver-settings still doesnt work
[04:40] <lxuser> even after i apt-get installed that
[04:41] <Flannel> sintacto: Have you checked launchpad?
[04:41] <jast-mxm> sorry, run the comamnd nvidia-xconfig
[04:41] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings       nvidia-xconfig, are the 2 tools i have installefd.
[04:41] <sintacto> flannel did check launchpad
[04:41] <jast-mxm> xconfig should automatically make a backup of the xorg file and install the new one
[04:41] <Flannel> sintacto: Any bugs?
[04:42] <sintacto> many had problems
[04:42] <lxuser> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:42] <lxuser>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[04:42] <lxuser>                   line.
[04:42] <jast-mxm> www.pastebin.com
[04:42] <Flannel> sintacto: With your chipset?
[04:42] <jast-mxm> paste your xorg file there and link me
[04:42] <sintacto> i tryed some howto'd
[04:42] <lxuser> ok
[04:42] <sintacto> but i ended up @ viaarena for their download
[04:43] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  all i had to do to get my nvidia card going was install the nvidia-glx package, and reboot.
[04:43] <Flannel> sintacto: Have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[04:43] <Dr_willis> I dident have to run any of those config tools.
[04:43] <lxuser> http://pastebin.com/dbca0f11
[04:43] <lxuser>  i did all that
[04:43] <lxuser> my problem is resolutions
[04:43] <sintacto> flannel ill try that and be back in a bit
[04:43] <lxuser> my video card is working, but im stuck in 640x480 for some reason
[04:43] <sintacto> thanks
[04:43] <Dr_willis> ahh. It got my res. correctly. Let me pastebin my xorg.conf
[04:44] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/f57be7a56
[04:44] <lxuser> can i just copy and paste that? will it work on my machine?
[04:44] <Dr_willis> one way to find out.
[04:45] <donomo> anyone know how to fix audio from flash?
[04:45] <jast-mxm> are you using one monitor or two?
[04:45] <lxuser> bah, if it doesnt work i have no problem reinstalling
[04:45] <jast-mxm> hah silly question'
[04:45] <lxuser> just 1
[04:45] <donomo> ive got libflashsupport installed. still no audio (other apps work fine)
[04:45] <lxuser> right, wish me luck
[04:45] <sintacto> flannel looks like the instructions some one cut and pasted some where else but ill follow this path to see
[04:45] <Dr_willis> i dont have any modeline entries in that file either. Its almost identical to yours
[04:46]  * donomo wants to watch TV on hulu.com
[04:46] <jast-mxm> what is the max res supported on your monitor?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> donomo,  hulu.com is nice. :) veoh.com is nice also.. but their silly program to watch some of the shows dont work under wine/linux. :)
[04:47] <donomo> Dr_willis: noted :)
[04:47] <donomo> so audio from flash works for everyone else?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> hulu.com is working fine here.
[04:48] <sintacto> Flannel? I get this :~$ aplay -l
[04:48] <sintacto> aplay: device_list:205: no soundcards found...
[04:48] <sintacto> and 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Memory at bfffc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[04:48] <lxuser> IM AT 800X600!
[04:48]  * donomo plays with paman
[04:48] <lxuser> now how do i add higher resolutions?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  try just haveing the one modeline/mode?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  you are on a dvi monitor>? or vga?
[04:50] <lxuser> just vga
[04:50] <lxuser> modeline/mode confuses the hell out of me
[04:50] <Dr_willis> that maybe the issue then...
[04:50] <lxuser> i dont know what all those numbers on modeline mean.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> in 'theory' the drivers query the monitor to get what modes it can handle.
[04:50] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Memory at bfffc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[04:50] <lxuser> well ive been able to do higher res before.
[04:50] <lxuser> on this monitor
[04:50] <lxuser> its just in this beta im having problems.
[04:51] <lxuser> might be the new xorg or somthing.
[04:51] <lxuser> or the ubuntu gods could just be mad at me.
[04:51] <donomo> ha. poking around with paman fixed it
[04:51] <Dr_willis> lets look at my Other machines older xorg.conf file...
[04:51] <Dr_willis> http://paste.stgraber.org/2130
[04:51] <lxuser> anyway 800x600@60 is still pretty bad looking
[04:52] <Dr_willis> You may want to pay close attention to the 'monitor' sections -  it may be whats causing the issue
[04:52] <Dr_willis> from what i 'hear' with the new X - you should be able to set the proper mode with the  gnome/kde resolution tools.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Or perhaps the nvidia tools mentioned earlier.
[04:53] <lxuser> what are the nvidia tools again?
[04:53] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings  nvidia-xconfig
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the one withOUT a X is a X command.. :)
[04:53] <lxuser> the res tool only lets me change it to 800x600@61
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the one with a X is the  shell version..
[04:53] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:54] <Dr_willis> sudo nvidia-settings   - should let you 'tweak' the xorg.conf file
[04:55] <Dr_willis> as a last ditch alternative - theres a x modeline generator web site    http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[04:55] <Dr_willis> but i havent had to use that in ages.
[04:55] <lxuser> WARNING: Unable to determine CorePointer; will rely on X server's built-in
[04:55] <lxuser>          default configuration.
[04:55] <lxuser> WARNING: Unable to determine CoreKeyboard; will rely on X server's built-in
[04:55] <lxuser>          default configuration.
[04:55] <lxuser> sorry again
[04:55] <lxuser> but thats what i get when trying to run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[04:56] <lxuser> and nvidia-settings does not even seem to be a command.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  its not installed by default
[04:56] <Dr_willis> it 'used' to be installed by default with the nvidia drivers.. but not any more.
[04:56] <lxuser> do i need to sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings ?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> tryt it and see. I dont memorize package names. :)
[04:56] <Dr_willis> or use apt-cache search nvidia-settings
[04:56] <cwillu> !info nvidia-settings
[04:56] <lxuser> yeah that worked.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> BACKUP your xorg.conf
[04:57] <Dr_willis> then use sudo nvidia-settings
[04:57] <lxuser> ok
[04:57] <lxuser> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[04:57] <lxuser> what the heck?
[04:57] <lxuser> i installed the drivers and everything.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> hmm.. the xorg.conf has a Driver 'nvidia' line?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> you did restart X altering that driver/installing them?
[04:58] <lxuser> wasnt enabled for some reason
[04:58] <Dr_willis> weird.
[04:58] <lxuser> now i should be
[04:58] <lxuser> let me restart x
[04:58] <Dr_willis> this is when ircing from the console comes in handy. :) you can restart X all ya want
[05:00] <lxuser> ok i return again
[05:00] <lxuser> this time with it enabled... AGAIN.
[05:01] <lxuser> seems it wants a full system restart.
[05:01] <lxuser> i might just format this drive and re install. i think it may have somthing to do with me using a kubuntu alpha and install this over it.
[05:01] <lxuser> anyway thanks for all your help.
[05:01] <Wrath> restarting ndiswrapper seems to want to lock up my computer
[05:08] <EnderTheThird> Can anyone tell me what happened to the "Shared Folders" option in System -> Administration?  I need to setup some NFS shares and I can't find the menu for it anymore, heh.
[05:09] <SpartanII117> this just in..... GOOGLE IS BLACK
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> wait wait wait...  there was a way to do that via a gui?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> SpartanII117: old news
[05:09] <cwillu> that's so 22 hours ago
[05:09] <EnderTheThird> They know it's not February anymore, right?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> or 46 hours ago if you're in the UK
[05:09] <EnderTheThird> Daisuke-Laptop:  Yeah, in Gutsy there was.  Now I can't find the menu for it anymore.
[05:10] <Adys> Is there a gnome alternative to konqueror?
[05:10] <Adys> Like, a better nautilus
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, nautilus.
[05:10] <Adys> well, figure
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> and you can use konqueror if you choose to
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> it will work
[05:10] <Adys> yeah Im using it
[05:10] <Adys> it just, i hate the ui :(
[05:11] <EnderTheThird> Any idea how to configure those shares without the GUI tool?  If you can send me to a guide, that's plenty.  I just need to get my network shares mounted on here because all of my media files are on my media server, heh.
[05:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> what is it about konqueror you like?
[05:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> because other than kioslaves, there's really nothing it can do that nautilus can't, i don't think
[05:11] <Adys> faster, handles sftp better, etc
[05:12] <Adys> its mostly how it handles sftp
[05:12] <kevin_> is brasero installed by default in hardy?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I actually USE some of the featurews in konwueror that i dont find in nautulus. the generate-web-preview-pages for image dirs.. is one thing.
[05:12] <Adys> yes kevin_
[05:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: fish:/
[05:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> :D
[05:13] <Dr_willis> I still get annoyed at both - in how i seem to have to do backflips to get things to get Deleted. and NOT go to the trash.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the fuse tools instead of the fish:/ or smb:/ stuff.
[05:13] <EnderTheThird> Daisuke-Laptop:  How do you set shares up w/o the GUI?  I've always done it through the Shared Folders option so I'm a bit lost now that it's not there.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I always set up syares by editing the samba config files. :)
[05:14] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[05:14] <Dr_willis> theres online/html books on samba. in the repos.
[05:14] <EnderTheThird> NFS would be better for non-Windows networks, wouldn't it?
[05:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> screw samba :D
[05:15] <Dr_willis> http://paste.stgraber.org/2131  - my samba config
[05:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> NFS works great with windows as well :O
[05:15] <Dr_willis> ive not seen a free NFS for windows..  havent look in a while.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> is there finially one out?
[05:15] <EnderTheThird> Dr_willis:  Thanks.
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: downloadable from MS: Services for Unix (which is actually Unix services for Windows, so the naming's weird) provides full NFS functionality, and has for a few years now
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> EnderTheThird: i edit /etc/exports
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Laptop,  Interesting.. wonder if it actually works with Vista. :)
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> no clue
[05:17] <Dr_willis> seems the last stuff i tried from 'ms' for unix.. was rather... lacking.. but that was a few years back
[05:17] <Dr_willis> that would give me a little better speed in filetransfers at least.
[05:17] <EnderTheThird> I want to only allow access to the one drive to one IP
[05:18] <Dr_willis>  You can do all sorts of restrictions to samba shares.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Install the samba-doc pckage. and read the 'using samba' book. :) or the other books.
[05:18] <EnderTheThird> "Shared Folders" was way easier, heh.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> I dont recall ever using Shared Folders - under ubuntu.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I do recall trying it once. and it not working.. sincei had to manually install samba anyway
[05:19] <EnderTheThird> It was under Administration in Gutsy.  Can't find the thing now.  I only have to add the one drive that isn't there already from Mythbuntu Control Centre.
[05:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: i don't have to worry about using SFU anymore, all machines in my home now run linux in one way or another
[05:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> (3x ubuntu and 1x geexbox)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> I got geexbox on a 50mb partition on my laptop for a fast booting Video Watching machine. :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Geexbox is rather amazing... the beta of the next release however just crashes my laptop. ;(
[05:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> don't even need that big of a partition :D
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Yep. I access the geexbox partition from ubuntu to tweak the keyboard layout and stuff also.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I still am unsure How geexbox finds the shoutcast streams and so forth. :) id like to set up my ubuntu box where i could run an app and basicially get the same geexbox interface.
[05:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: virtualbox :D
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Laptop,  did that also. The geexbox betas work with theose.
[05:23] <EnderTheThird> Hmmm, well /etc/exports was easier than I expected, heh.
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> all it is a frontend for mplayer
[05:24] <Dr_willis> Im just dissecting geexbox to see how it does it.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> right. im not sure how its doing the frontend. :)
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> or rather, using mplayer as the UI
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> too bad the default fonts are horrendous
[05:25] <Dr_willis> never noticed. :)
[05:26] <Dr_willis> they do make upper/lower case hard to tell.
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> they're really bad.  i just switched to a simple sans-serif font
[05:26] <Dr_willis> and the text sizes changes in the menus depending on the res of the video you are watching.
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> yep
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> i don't like that
[05:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> there's not really anything they can do except for on-the-fly DPI changes for fonts, maybe
[05:28] <Dr_willis> yep. or rescale all videos to a set res.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> but that may tax my low end laptop a little.
[05:28] <Dr_willis>  The Freevo live cd using mandriva is a little nicer in ways.. but it was lacking in other ways
[05:28] <DanaG> What the heck are Muhenkan and Henkan_Mode?
[05:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> problem there would be that it completely eliminates the advantage of HD video playback
[05:29] <Dr_willis> hd means very little to me. :)
[05:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> what ticks me off is that running through the vga-in on my tv, i can't use any res higher than 1024x768
[05:29] <Dr_willis> i had one 'hd' video file. it was 2 hrs and 3.5 gb in size.. and the laptop couldent handle it. :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> I couldent get the tv out working on my lappy. gotta try agains omeday with it.
[05:30]  * DanaG has some DVD-Audio rips.... they're huge-frickin'-mongous.
[05:30] <Daisuke-Laptop> to actually use the resolution my tv supports, i would have to, essentially, buy a whole new media box (not so bad since i didn't pay for the one i'm using)
[05:30] <DanaG> Or rather, rips of only one disk: the one that came with the Audigy2.
[05:31] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, ya, I love that too :)
[05:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> because the best that machine can do is low-end agp, so no dvi, so no dvi-to-hdmi, so no native resolution.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  i have some of those.. well ONE of those.. the one that came wiuth the audigy2. and if i recall right.. the #&@&@&@! creative drivers disable the digital out  when playing the thing.. so i never did actually listen to it.
[05:31] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, cheap radeon 9250's usually have a dvi output on them
[05:32] <mnk0> hey sup
[05:32] <cwillu> not sure if it's actually useful dvi, or some silly analog only thing
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: i refuse to buy ati anything.  ever.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  i dont recall EVER seeing any other  of those kind of high-end music cd's :)
[05:32] <mnk0> anyone got hardy rolling?
[05:32] <DanaG> I ripped it to WAV using some "wink, wink, nod, nod" sort of tool. (i.e. grey-area).
[05:32] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, I'd imagine nvidia has a low end card that would have dvi as well
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: not at agp 2x
[05:32] <Dr_willis> a 'cutting edge new feature' that got totally killed off. :)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> I have agp cards with dvi.
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> agp 4x/8x
[05:33] <Dr_willis> no idea on the 3x2xwhateverx
[05:33] <Dr_willis> they should throttle down shouldent they?
[05:33] <cwillu> what's the problem with ati?
[05:33] <cwillu> (granted that I usually avoid them)
[05:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> you use linux and you're asking what the problem with ati is?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:33] <DanaG> Sort-of-ironically, I'm so sick of nvidia that I'm actually going to switch to ATI, since at least now it's open-source.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> The problem with ati - is the problems with ati. :)
[05:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: slot's different
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, at least they're developping open drivers now, although we won't see the fruit of that for a while (or is it just releasing tech specs)
[05:34] <DanaG> I'll see how things are when summer (end of June) rolls around.
[05:34] <mnk0> DanaG: whats wrong with nvidia?
[05:34] <mnk0> i would say the exact opposite of what you just said
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: i shouldn't have said ever
[05:34] <DanaG> Various issues I've had over time.
[05:34] <mnk0> ati == bs
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, EVGA Geforce 5200 128MB (Nvidia, PCI w/ TV-Out, DVI, Low Profile Support), about 50$
[05:34] <dredhammer> hey guys anyone else missing the entry for the gnome-system-monitor in System->Administration?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Well ATI says they are open sourced and so forth.. I will wait till i see some 'proof in the pudding' befor i even Look at ati cards again.
[05:34] <DanaG> For example, you can't control powermizer.  I used to get this, too:
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> their specs are out, and the drivers ARE getting better
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: is that an agp 2x card, or an agp 4x/8x card?
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <RAOF> DanaG: *blink* freeze... *blink* unfreeze.
[05:34] <DanaG> (i.e. random intermittent blinking)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> but will that help my older ati based laptop?
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, that's a pci card (not pcie)
[05:35] <DanaG> I've also been getting hard-lockups when I leave my laptop active with lid closed, or when I'm running heavy GPU+HDD stuff at the same time.
[05:35] <mnk0> well if your gonan switch to ati u might as well install windows vista while your at it
[05:35] <DanaG> Even in Windows, though.
[05:35] <cwillu> mnk0, minus all that junk we just said about supporting the development of open drivers, compared to nvidia which seems to be hostile to the notion
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: that wouldn't be bad, especially just for a simple media box
[05:36] <mnk0> oh
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I will still wait patiently to see if ati actually delivers on its promises...
[05:36] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, I'm using a pci card of similar specs (ati though :p) for a mythbuntu box, works fine
[05:36] <mnk0> i thought nvidia was the first to release specs, and promote open source drivers
[05:36] <cwillu> can't vouch for the dvi though
[05:36] <DanaG> Plus, I like ATI Tray Tools in Windows; I don't like Rivatuner.
[05:36] <mnk0> wehre as ati support is horrible
[05:36] <mnk0> nvidia-settings
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Both companies neeed to get slapped around a bit to provide better support.
[05:36] <mnk0> and you can do everything
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> mnk0: nope, nvidia's closed as closed can be
[05:36] <mnk0> wow
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> but ati is getting more open
[05:37] <cwillu> mnk0, nvidia's never released anything for the 3d rendering, which is what most of the card is for
[05:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have you heard of the whole snafu with Creative (Windows) drivers?
[05:37] <mnk0> so they release they're own linux drivers?
[05:37] <mnk0> yeah, true, the true 3d
[05:37] <DanaG> Mmm, root exploit in font rendering.
[05:37] <mnk0> in 8800s
[05:37] <mnk0> not out yet is it?
[05:37] <cwillu> mnk0, ati couldn't release the source for fglrx even if they wanted to, due to nondisclosure agreements, but they're releasing the specs needed to write a replacement
[05:38] <cwillu> DanaG, vista drivers?
[05:38] <Daisuke-Laptop> once open 3d drivers are available for ati cards, i may consider switching
[05:38] <mnk0> ohh right
[05:38] <DanaG> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/29/creative-driver-debacle
[05:38] <DanaG> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&thread.id=30389
[05:38] <DanaG> When I get my new laptop, I think I'm also going to get a C-Media USB sound card.
[05:38] <gothicemogeek> HEY! I have a question about Kubuntu! I need some emergency help!
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Creative also needs slapped a bit.
[05:38] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, indeed;  I used a crapload of 9250's for a bunch of things just because the open source driver actually had accel
[05:39] <cwillu> yay for old hardware :p
[05:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> gothicemogeek: then ask in #kubuntu
[05:39] <DanaG> Creative is going down the drain.
[05:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> nothing's that much of an emergency that you have to yell
[05:39] <mnk0> how is the process for instaling the hardy beta , then updating to final release in april
[05:39] <mnk0> is it just like doing a dist-upgrade
[05:39] <mnk0> or something simliar?
[05:39] <mnk0> and the packages update
[05:40] <cwillu> kinda, although the update-manager can handle additional quirks
[05:40] <cwillu> full-upgrade (what dist-upgrade is now called) would get you most of the way there though
[05:40] <mnk0> ahh
[05:40] <mnk0> cuz then i was thinkin of blowin away my 7.10 and goin for the beta
[05:40] <Adys> is there a way to make konqueror my default file manager while keeping nautilus in gnome?
[05:40] <mnk0> wouldnt wanna reinstall everything
[05:41] <DanaG> Ugh, I hate how the "AwesomeBar" makes Firefox freeze when tyFREEEEEEEEEEEZEpinFREEEEEEEEEEEZEg frFREEEEEEZE.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> setting kde ot use Konqueror - will not affect gnome at all.. of course thats NOT setting Gnome to use Konqueror by default.
[05:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> what is an "awesomebar"?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Adys,  so.. err.. claify exactly what you are wanting to do? You want to use Konqueror under GNOME as the default gnome filemanager?
[05:42] <mnk0> anyone running 8.04 ?
[05:42] <Adys> Tried it, but I just want to be able to open folders and it fires up konqueror :)
[05:42] <DanaG> The address-bar dropdown in Firefox 3.0
[05:42] <Adys> yes
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Adys,  thats... perverted...
[05:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> oh god that thing.
[05:42] <Adys> :P
[05:42] <mnk0> pretty sweet?
[05:43] <DanaG> Best thing I've ever done with Xorg: allow ungrabs.
[05:43] <DanaG> When VirtualBox won't let me ungrab the mouse, I can ungrab it forcefully.
[05:43] <mnk0> whats virtualBox?
[05:43] <mnk0> oh wow
[05:43] <mnk0> suns vmware
[05:44] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:45] <clinton> DanaG: weren't we talking about this stuff last night?  wow.. I leave and come back, same stuff being talked about!
[05:47] <DanaG> Hmm, should I bother installing Fedora 9 Beta in a VM?  ..... Naaah.
[05:47] <GuyFromHell> can someone do me a favor so i can tell if this is just my compy or not, python -c "import deskbar.core.Utils.load_icon" and tell me if it returns an error
[05:47] <DanaG> The only really cool thing I see is the awesome day-night cycling wallpaper.
[05:47] <mnk0> link plz
[05:48] <snerfu> I get an error GuyFromHell
[05:48] <GuyFromHell> snerfu, thanks, i'm going to hunt this down then
[05:49] <snerfu> ImportError: cannot import name load_icon
[05:50] <GuyFromHell> snerfu, aye same thing i'm getting, i'm kinda confused how my deskbar is still functioning with this >_>
[05:53] <GuyFromHell> bah, i'll figure it out tomorrow. if someone hasn't already by then... >_>
[06:27] <Roey> hi
[06:28] <Roey> regarding wacom functionality, why is it that /dev/input/wacom and the device files it points to are all set crw------ ? This is pointless... I can't access it as a normal user.
[06:28] <hackeron> hey, can someone recommend a cheap sound card with 2 stereo inputs supported on linux? (by 2 stereo inputs I mean where I would be able to record both simultaneously, not one at a time)
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Roey,  sure they are not links to the actual device?
[06:29] <Roey> Dr_willis:  /dev/input/wacom points to /dev/input/eventN; all of these files are set unreadable to Group and Other
[06:30] <Hydrogen> udev handles all of that
[06:30] <Hydrogen> however
[06:30] <Hydrogen> having it readable by all
[06:30] <Hydrogen> would be a nice way to keylog
[06:30] <Hydrogen> :>
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Roey,  crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 2008-03-29 17:06 /dev/input/event0
[06:31] <Dr_willis> odd that your perms are different.
[06:32] <Roey> let's see
[06:32] <Roey> actually, that is how I have it .,to
[06:32] <Roey> too
[06:32] <yell0w> !ndiswrapper
[06:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:33] <Dr_willis> hmm.. Having an issue setting up a connection to the remote printer..  weird. It auto-detexcts the proper printer. but theprint button is always greyed out in my apps.
[06:37] <kRush> anyone else getting 100% cpu usage from pulseaudio when pausing a vid in totem?
[06:42] <DanaG> What the hell?  My keyboard in Virtualbox is completely broken.
[06:43] <DanaG> It's acting like "Super" is stuck down.
[06:43] <AnswerGuy> Anyone here tested the LiveCDNetboot on 8.04 beta?  (see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot for details)
[06:46] <DanaG> WTF?  That's way broken.
[06:49] <talntid> answer..
[06:50] <talntid> I run a call center with LTSP...
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Whats a good tool to watch these shoutcast tv streams?  i noticed that geexbox can get a list of them and let me watch them in mplayer. and i can download the .pls file and get the url to watch them in mplayer.. but wanting a front end that actually grabs the list for me.
[06:50] <talntid> and when I tried testing hardy on the thin clients, they freaked out. heh ;)
[06:50] <talntid> not that that means much for your question, but it is somewhat similar
[07:03] <L33tMasta> Hey guys. I'm having issues streaming avi, MP3, MKV and other media files from a wired Vista PC to an 8.04 Ubuntu setup that's 4 days old. I can't access the Vista PC via the network but i can mount it maually using the "Connect to server" option
[07:03] <L33tMasta> Also when movie player DOES play anything, it plays it very slowly
[07:03] <DanaG> L33tMasta: using samba, or something else?
[07:03] <DanaG> Vista does something odd with Samba authentication by default.
[07:04] <L33tMasta> Well my Vista PC requires a username and password
[07:04] <L33tMasta> and I am using samba
[07:05] <Dr_willis> how are you accessing the  shares?
[07:05] <L33tMasta> Right now? Using the "Connect to Server" option under places
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Using the file manager, connect to server? Hmm. does that actually mount the share to a Directory?  - or does it use some smb:// type url?
[07:06] <L33tMasta> I have to manually mount them before I can access them
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I tend to use the fusesmb tool. to let it automount my whole lan. :)
[07:07] <L33tMasta> Well when I try to play something VLC Player or even Amarok it says it's an smb://
[07:07] <L33tMasta> and neither one will open thefiles
[07:07] <Dr_willis> thatw why i NEVER use the gnome samba browser stuff. :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> the user-friendlyness is getttining the way of the way things work.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> the gnome media players can hanld the smb:// type name but others cant
[07:09] <L33tMasta> My desktop (Infinity1) appears under the MSHOME workgroup but it has no folders in it
[07:10] <L33tMasta> So is there anyway to fix this
[07:11] <L33tMasta> Also it seems that "Movie player" will access .avi files and play them but only at 1 frame every 10 seconds
[07:18] <Dr_willis> L33tMasta,  i always set up the Home shares in the smb.conf file, and i alsi give every user a samba password with sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAMWE
[07:18] <Dr_willis> there are no default shares on a default ubuntu/samba setup :)
[07:22] <L33tMasta> where do I find the smb.conf file?
[07:23] <L33tMasta> I've learned alot over the past 5 days since installing Ubuntu but there are things like conf file locations I still don't know
[07:24] <Dr_willis> if you hafe the samba package installed - its in /etc/samba/
[07:24] <Dr_willis> locate smb.conf
[07:24] <Dr_willis> command will find it.
[07:24] <Dr_willis> you DID install the samba package?
[07:25] <L33tMasta> yea
[07:26] <L33tMasta> I did sudo apt-get install samba
[07:29] <L33tMasta> Now I want to edit the heading under "Share Definitions", correct?
[07:33] <erichj> I'm outside my comfort zone here but is it possible that upstart is causing problems with ipod mounting and unmounting in hardy? or should I be looking somewhere else?
[07:33] <DanaG> WTF?  Some of my files have gone missing on my ntfs partition again!
[07:33] <DanaG> It keeps ignoring my "nls=utf-8" option.
[07:33] <DanaG> Thus, my files will be gone.
[07:35] <DanaG> The ones that need utf-8, that is.
[07:35] <DanaG> I've passed that parameter about 10 times, and yet still it ignores the parameter.
[07:37] <gluer> erichj: my ipod wont mount either
[07:38] <erichj> gluer, you sure it isn't mounting and just not showing on the desktop? unmounting seems to be the biggest issue right now.
[07:38] <gluer> where would it be?
[07:39] <erichj> check /media/ipod
[07:39] <gluer> nothing
[07:39] <hyperair> does anybody here have trouble with manual configuration of network interfaces (GNOME) and wireless?
[07:39] <hyperair> i had to manually edit my /etc/network/interfaces file
[07:39] <hyperair> it was missing the line "auto wlan0"
[07:40] <hyperair> so my wlan0 wouldn't come up
[07:40] <hyperair> also there's no setting to choose between open/restricted so it defaults to restricted even though i use open. should i file a bug report?
[07:43] <quentusrex> does anyone know how ubuntu generates the hash from the command 'hostid'????
[07:46] <Dr_willis> hmm..
[07:47] <quentusrex> I want to know what might cause the ID to change...
[07:47] <quentusrex>  If I reinstall the OS? If I change the processor??? If I change the ethernet card?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> info coreutils ’hostid invocation’
[07:47] <Dr_willis> has some info on hostid, if you follow the links right.. :)
[07:48] <Dr_willis> On that system, the 32-bit quantity happens to be closely related to
[07:48] <Dr_willis> the system's Internet address, but that isn't always the case.
[07:48] <kingrayray> hey whats a good app to view filesystem usage by directory? like filelight but i'd prefer something gtk
[07:48] <DanaG> If you change ethernet cards, about all you'll need to do will be to edit, or remove, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:48] <hyperair> disk usage analyzer
[07:48] <hyperair> poke around your accessories
[07:48] <DanaG> Baobab doesn't show files!  Lame!
[07:48] <Wrath> was going to say kdirstat, but thats qt i think
[07:48] <hyperair> oh it doesn't
[07:49] <DanaG> Yeah.  It's rather stupid that it doesn't.
[07:49] <hyperair> either way kingrayray wanted to see directories right
[07:49] <hyperair> =p
[07:49] <hyperair> also you can use nautilus to see them by filename
[07:49] <hyperair> =\
[07:49] <DanaG> It also doesn't let you exclude filesystem boundaries while also still showing those ones alone sometimes.
[07:49] <Lynoure> quentusrex: seems hard to google for.... looking at the source of the command might be easiest
[07:49] <kingrayray> disk usage analyzer is perfect
[07:49] <kingrayray> my disk is getting full i just wasn't sure where at :)
[07:49] <hyperair> yeah i do use it from time to time
[07:49]  * DanaG wines SpaceMonger instead.
[07:49] <quentusrex> Lynoure, do you know where I can find the source?
[07:50] <hyperair> DanaGi think you mean "whine"
[07:50] <hyperair> DanaG: i think you mean "whine"*
[07:50] <DanaG> s/wine/Wine/
[07:50] <hyperair> s/Wine/whine/
[07:50] <DanaG> No, you can't "Whine" a program.
[07:50] <Lynoure> quentusrex: from the src package for the package that provides the command
[07:50] <DanaG> You can whine ABOUT one, though.
[07:51] <hyperair> OH
[07:51] <hyperair> THAT's what you meant
[07:51] <hyperair> ><
[07:51] <hyperair> whooooooooops
[07:51] <DanaG> yup.
[07:51] <hyperair> then it's s/whine/WINE
[07:51] <hyperair> =D
[07:52] <hyperair> sayy i see an _ruben at the top of the user list
[07:52] <hyperair> wonder if he's the one maintaining the PPA for banshee gutsy dependencies
[07:54] <quentusrex> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/hostid.c;h=ea50086eb0b759b27756030115ec57eced70935f;hb=HEAD
[07:54] <quentusrex> Lynoure, it seems that it just calls the C command gethostID()
[07:54] <quentusrex> but that doesn't tell me how it works....
[07:55] <Lynoure> quentusrex: then you could look at that? Some say it gives ethernet address in hex, mildly transposed. What are you using it, this time?
[07:56] <quentusrex> http://www.hmug.org/man/3/gethostid.php
[07:57] <quentusrex> Lynoure, I'm trying to develop something that will need to uniquely identify a computer.
[07:57] <Lynoure> quentusrex: oh, then this clearly is not it.
[07:58] <quentusrex> Lynoure, I'm either going to have to generate a random number key and have that to reference each machine, or I have to find some way that is already built in...
[07:58] <Lynoure> quentusrex: there is no promise hostid will be really unique. I bet even MAC address and kernel version together would work better
[07:58] <hyperair> my hostid's as far as can get from my IP
[07:58] <hyperair> =\
[07:58] <hyperair> unless my IP is 0.127.1.1
[07:58] <hyperair> xD
[07:59] <quentusrex> I need the ID to stay the same no matter what is upgraded(except the hardware...)
[07:59] <quentusrex> I need my users to be able to fully upgrade their kernel and everything, but as long as their hardware is the same then all is good.
[07:59] <quentusrex> And I need to find a way for it to be really difficult to 'fake' the identifier.
[07:59] <DanaG>               info coreutils 'hostid invocation'
[08:00] <DanaG> Eeh, not useful.  :(
[08:00] <Lynoure> quentusrex: not really a Hardy question, then?
[08:00] <quentusrex> The MAC address of the ethernet card could work....
[08:00] <Lynoure> quentusrex: no
[08:00] <quentusrex> because ethernet cards are cheap and easy to replace.
[08:01] <Lynoure> quentusrex: not always unique, though they should be.
[08:01] <DanaG> Yo, look at dmidecode.
[08:01] <DanaG> There may be a serial number there.
[08:01] <quentusrex> I'm asking here because there are more 'tech' savvy people here...
[08:02] <Dr_willis> what the heck is the hostid even used for? Ive never seen it  mentioned
[08:02] <DanaG> I have a USB ethernet adapter with MAC address 30:01:00:00:00:00
[08:02] <DanaG> Is that even valid?
[08:03] <Lynoure> DanaG: Not bothering to check. But would not be the first time the manufacturer takes their manufacture part and slaps on a static string.
[08:04] <Lynoure> DanaG: best to avoid such manufacturers, as it might reflect their general level of clue
[08:05] <DanaG> http://standards.ieee.org/cgi-bin/ouisearch?30-01-00
[08:11] <DanaG> Argh.
[08:11] <DanaG> Hard-lockup!
[08:13] <BaD_CrC> hmmm, flash seems to work in 64bit with the wrappers, but it's not playing sound... not that i really care though.
[08:13] <DanaG> Compiz alone: no lockup.
[08:14] <DanaG> Azureus alone: no lockup.
[08:14] <DanaG> Compiz AND Azureus together: random hard-lockups!
[08:15] <DistroJockey> DanaG: just a side question; how do you recover from a lockup?
[08:15] <DanaG> In this case, only a hard reboot works.
[08:15] <hyperair> i get random lockups too but just compiz =\
[08:15] <DanaG> If it's just xorg locked up, I can usually alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg.
[08:16] <DanaG> Argh, why the hell is ntfs-3g ignoring my mount options?
[08:16] <DanaG> AAAAAAaaaargh!~
[08:16] <hyperair> heh i usually use alt-sysrq-r
[08:16] <DanaG> HULK SMASH!
[08:16] <hyperair> then i ctrl+alt+F1
[08:16] <hyperair> and then kill compiz
[08:16] <hyperair> then i can come back and not lose my work
[08:16] <hyperair> xD
[08:16] <hyperair> just use some other bt client
[08:16] <hyperair> like ktorrent
[08:16] <hyperair> ktorrent-kde4's good
[08:17] <DanaG> But it's not just azureus; other disk-intensive stuff (such as that spacemonger) will do it too.
[08:17] <DistroJockey> DanaG: try holding Alt+SysRq and pressing S then E then I then U then B (wait between each letter)
[08:17] <DistroJockey> DanaG: next time that is
[08:17] <hyperair> disk intensive?
[08:17] <corporeal> any ideas on why USB is extremely slow on 8.04 whereas it was very fast on 7.10?
[08:17] <DanaG> When it's hard-locked, even just 'b' won't work.
[08:18] <hyperair> aw crap
[08:18] <hyperair> disk intensive you say?
[08:18] <hyperair> i'm going to try dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=512
[08:18] <DanaG> Look: I have this line in rc.local (and the thing in fstab set to noauto)
[08:18] <DanaG> mount -o         defaults,nls=utf-8,nls=utf8,nls=utf8,ro,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8 /media/Vista || true >& /dev/null
[08:18] <DanaG> Look how many time I pass the frickin' 'nls=utf-8' parameter -- and it STILL IGNORES IT!
[08:19] <hyperair> it's called using a freaking ntfs partition
[08:19] <DistroJockey> DanaG: ahh
[08:19] <hyperair> they don't like utf8 imo
[08:19] <DanaG> It works when auto-mounted RW in fstab, but not when command-line mounted RO.
[08:19] <silent> Hardy's still looking a bit sketchy, think it'll be ready for release?
[08:19] <DanaG> Why doesn't "ntfs-3g" have a "fall back to read only" option?  It seems sooooo obvious to me!
[08:20] <hyperair> release isn't for another month
[08:20] <silent> yea
[08:20] <hyperair> i'm sure they'll tidy everything up
[08:20] <DanaG> I mean, the need is extremely obvious.
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh hey, I can't write, so I'll just mysteriously not be there at all!
[08:20] <silent> DanaG: I thought it did
[08:20] <DanaG> Nope.
[08:20] <DanaG> Not automatically.
[08:20] <hyperair> it doesn't
[08:20] <hyperair> you can use force
[08:20] <hyperair> xD
[08:20] <hyperair> make ntfs-3g mount it anyway
[08:20] <DanaG> Not going to risk that.
[08:20] <hyperair> force it to mount read only!
[08:21] <DanaG> But I want RW when possible.
[08:21] <hyperair> um
[08:21] <DanaG> So.... I have the line in rc.local to try RW and then RO, but it IGNORES THE **** 'nls=utf-8' PARAMETER!
[08:21] <hyperair> xD
[08:21] <hyperair> file a bug report
[08:21] <MTecknology> which version of photoshop is it that's supposed to work well under wine?
[08:21] <DanaG> And then I get this:
[08:21] <MTecknology> i think it was cs3
[08:21] <DanaG> Mar 30 00:15:07 GLaDOS ntfs-3g[6560]: Skipping unrepresentable filename (inode 148933): Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[08:22] <hyperair> lol
[08:22] <hyperair> i wonder if there's a way to use the old ntfs driver
[08:22] <hyperair> the kernel one
[08:22] <DanaG> Oh, I could try that for the RO.
[08:22] <DanaG> It'd probably perform better, too.
[08:22] <corporeal> any ideas on why USB is extremely slow on 8.04 whereas it was very fast on 7.10?
[08:22] <corporeal> its taken 5 miuntes to copy 100MB
[08:22] <corporeal> o.o
[08:22] <silent> MTecknology: I have an installation of CS2 running fairly well, until it stopped working randomly
[08:22] <hyperair> probably a GIO problem?
[08:23] <corporeal> from the commandline. heh.
[08:23] <hyperair> why don't you benchmark it with cp =\
[08:23] <corporeal> i was using cp.
[08:23] <hyperair> OH
[08:23] <hyperair> ehhh
[08:23] <hyperair> i have no idea
[08:23] <hyperair> xD
[08:23] <hyperair> maybe the different kernel screws up?
[08:23] <hyperair> =\
[08:23] <corporeal> :-/
[08:23] <hyperair> did you do an upgrade?
[08:23] <hyperair> or a fresh install?
[08:23] <hyperair> try using an old kernel and see
[08:23] <corporeal> upgrade form 7.10
[08:23] <hyperair> right
[08:23] <MTecknology> silent, I know google employees spend a lot of time searching for bugs in it... i think it was cs2 version google put the effort toward, only problem is that my copy is cs3
[08:23] <hyperair> use the gutsy kernel
[08:23] <hyperair> and then compare the speed
[08:23] <hyperair> =\
[08:23] <MTecknology> idk if i feel like trying it or not
[08:23] <corporeal> ok hang on
[08:23] <balgarath> just upgraded UbuntuStudio to Hardy Beta - I'm getting: There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.  on startup and the UbuntuStudio them doesn't load up; Any ideas?
[08:24] <MTecknology> balgarath, first off - wrong channel
[08:24] <XceII> Hello folks: I have only one question: Mind you, I have conventional hardware: Why does my audio echo and or quit when to apps access any audio pgms?, waits., thanks.
[08:24] <MTecknology> balgarath, second - what's the error?
[08:24] <hyperair> pgm?
[08:24] <silent> MTecknology: Whats the worst that could happen? You uninstall it if it doesnt work
[08:24] <DanaG> Okay, what do I do for        uid=value, gid=value and umask=value
[08:24] <MTecknology> silent, pretty much
[08:25] <hyperair> uid and gid put to your uid and gif
[08:25] <MTecknology> silent, not like i *hiccup* any the copy in the first place
[08:25] <hyperair> find it from /etc/passwd and /etc/groups
[08:25] <hyperair> umask...
[08:25] <hyperair> i'm not so sure
[08:25] <hyperair> =\
[08:25] <balgarath> MTecknology, what channel? - It just says Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.  If I try to go to it through the menu I get the same popup error
[08:25] <hyperair> i think 744 should work well
[08:25] <MTecknology> balgarath, just having an error when you log in doesn't help much.... does it happen if you log out and back in?
[08:26] <hyperair> or maybe 544
[08:26] <hyperair> =\
[08:26] <hyperair> nono
[08:26] <hyperair> erm
[08:26] <hyperair> 755?
[08:26] <hyperair> X_x
[08:26] <balgarath> MTecknology, brb
[08:26] <MTecknology> balgarath, #ubuntu is for support and #ubuntu+1 is for support in 8.04
[08:26] <silent> MTecknology: CS2 is always easy to get through less than honourable means
[08:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/41790
[08:26] <hyperair> i see CS2
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41790 in partman-basicfilesystems "ntfs partition can be read only with root account" [Medium,Incomplete]
[08:26] <hyperair> is this photoshop?
[08:27] <nikrud> DanaG uid=danag gid=danag umask=007 ?
[08:27] <hyperair> noooooooooooooooo
[08:27] <hyperair> uid= your user id
[08:27] <MTecknology> silent, personally - i don't like photoshop - but I LOVE dreamweaver
[08:27] <hyperair> not user name
[08:27] <XceII> Rephrased:  Hello folks: I have only one question: Mind you, I have conventional hardware: Why does my audio echo and or quit when i access any sound apps access to any audio pgms?, waits., thanks.
[08:27] <hyperair> oh dreamweaver that's a whole different case imo
[08:27] <silent> MTecknology: I haven't done much work with dreamweaver. I've been running out of time to become familiar with software these days.
[08:28] <MTecknology> hyperair, ya - same package - hugely different software
[08:28] <hyperair> okay you do this: "grep danag /etc/passwd". you get something that looks like: hyperair:x:1000:1000:Chow Loong Jin,,,:/home/hyperair:/bin/bash
[08:28] <hyperair> well that's for me anyway
[08:28] <nikrud> hyperair by the way, uid accepts names
[08:28] <hyperair> danag: mine's 1000 and 1000
[08:28] <hyperair> uid = first one
[08:28] <hyperair> gid = second one
[08:29] <hyperair> it does? D=
[08:29] <nikrud> hyperair mount will accept names :)
[08:29] <hyperair> i never knew!
[08:29] <hyperair> *headdesks repeatedly*
[08:29] <MTecknology> wow.... I just told somebody they're in the wrong channel for 8.04 support
[08:29] <nikrud> I found it out probably in the last month or two. 7 years of looking up numbers ;)
[08:30] <MTecknology> dude - i'm way too tired!!!
[08:30] <hyperair> XceII: what pgms?!
[08:30] <kane77> why doesn't firefox3 keep me logged in or remember passwords?
[08:32] <tanner> who missed me?!
[08:32] <XceII> any, when i access any audio pgms it plays 20 mins, then echos,, i have to re- boot to get back (any) audio, then, same
[08:32] <hyperair> tanner: nobody! =D
[08:33] <hyperair> XceII: what are pgms i meant
[08:33] <tanner> =(
[08:33] <hyperair> pgms?
[08:33] <hyperair> Oo?
[08:33] <hyperair> tanner: okay fine i miss you. happy? =)
[08:33] <hyperair> even though i never saw you around before
[08:33] <tanner> lol
[08:33] <hyperair> xD
[08:33] <DanaG> Bed for me now.
[08:33] <DanaG> Good night.
[08:34] <hyperair> cya
[08:34] <XceII> I have loaded, / standard Gstreamer / vlc / amorok / flash / java#6 / no other plugins loaded, thanks
[08:34] <corporeal> i benched a specific file on 2.6.24 Hardy kernel, it was slow as molasses. the 100MB file copied in 5 minutes.
[08:34] <hyperair> XceII: i don't understand what you mean by pgms!
[08:34] <corporeal> i reboot into the gutsy kernel, it takes less than 5 seconds.
[08:34] <hyperair> what are "pgms"?
[08:34] <XceII> programs
[08:34] <corporeal> i reboot into hardy and do it again -- now its working fine
[08:34] <hyperair> does anybody know?
[08:34]  * corporeal sighs
[08:34] <hyperair> oh geez
[08:34] <hyperair> i see
[08:34]  * Dr_willis is totally lost.
[08:34] <hyperair> hmmmmmmmm
[08:34] <hyperair> you using pulseaudio?
[08:35] <XceII> libs
[08:35] <XceII> only on amarok
[08:35] <hyperair> O.o i have no idea
[08:35] <hyperair> i never had any probs
[08:36] <XceII> I have asus mobo, with GeForce card,
[08:36] <XceII> up to date
[08:37] <XceII> everything is up to date, including 8.04, as of today
[08:37] <XceII> makes no sense, maybe, amorok being kde has somthing to do?
[08:37] <hyperair> i don't know
[08:37] <hyperair> could you try with totem or something else?
[08:37] <hyperair> =\
[08:38] <XceII> only after did i load Gstreamer, did it stop, did it 1nce, then stoped.
[08:38] <XceII> im confused
[08:39] <XceII> makes no sense
[08:40] <hyperair> gstreamer?
[08:40] <hyperair> how dyou load gstreamer?
[08:40] <hyperair> O.o as far as  iknow it's just a backend
[08:40] <XceII> everything else works fine. but listen........when i loaded all things, this problem existed
[08:41] <XceII> from the mplayer, as it askes, worked fine
[08:42] <hyperair> @.@ i'm getting confused
[08:42] <XceII> let me start again, from the start my audio echoed, when if i had any 2 apps useing audio.
[08:43] <hyperair> echo... like repeated plays?
[08:43] <hyperair> or jittery?
[08:43] <hyperair> as in stop-start-stop-start?
[08:43] <XceII> I had to re-boot to get sound back and get audio back
[08:44] <XceII> yes
[08:44] <hyperair> uh which one?
[08:44] <XceII> any
[08:44] <hyperair> repeated plays?
[08:44] <XceII> all
[08:44] <hyperair> what
[08:44] <hyperair> X_x
[08:44] <hyperair> sounds like you've got some issues with latency
[08:44] <XceII> ya, but where
[08:44] <hyperair> sound card?
[08:44] <hyperair> sound cards have latency too you know
[08:45] <hyperair> =\
[08:45] <XceII> lol, its standard
[08:45] <XceII> maybe bios?
[08:45] <XceII> i have on board sound
[08:45] <XceII> im gonna punch asus in the mouth
[08:46] <hyperair> lol
[08:46] <hyperair> i have onboard soudn too
[08:46] <hyperair> but my latency's fine
[08:46] <hyperair> all fine and dandy
[08:46] <XceII> but 7.10 works fine
[08:46] <hyperair> yeah 7.10 used ALSA and dmix
[08:46] <hyperair> 8.04 uses PulseAudio
[08:47] <XceII> ya.
[08:47] <XceII> i had to switch
[08:47] <XceII> for mp3
[08:47] <hyperair> O.o?
[08:47] <hyperair> where?
[08:47] <XceII> in amarok
[08:47] <hyperair> what did you change it to?
[08:47] <XceII> paulse
[08:47] <hyperair> okay...
[08:47] <hyperair> erm
[08:47] <hyperair> could you open your sound properties and change the devices to pulseaudio too?
[08:48] <hyperair> while you're at it test the sound there
[08:48] <XceII> when i do, all works, but sound capture
[08:48] <silent> oh... 8.04 isn't using alsa?
[08:49] <silent> at all?
[08:49] <XceII> sucks
[08:49] <hyperair> it does
[08:49] <silent> wtf
[08:49] <hyperair> in gutsy, sound programs->dmix->alsa->speakers
[08:49] <silent> will it have the same functionality?
[08:49] <hyperair> in hardy, sound programs->pulseaudio->alsa->speakers
[08:49] <XceII> exactly hyperair
[08:49] <hyperair> dmix mixes sound
[08:49] <hyperair> pulseaudio mixes sound
[08:50] <XceII> oh
[08:50] <RAOF> (among other things)
[08:50] <XceII> ?
[08:50] <hyperair> but pulseaudio does resampling really good
[08:50] <hyperair> and so you get better quality than dmix
[08:50] <hyperair> also you can have other features like transparent network sound
[08:50] <silent> is this implemented now?
[08:50] <hyperair> yes it is
[08:50] <silent> oh
[08:50] <silent> I didnt even know
[08:50] <RAOF> And per application sound, and moving streams between devices, and... :)
[08:50] <silent> I've been using it for weeks
[08:50] <hyperair> you can have a virtual 4.1 sound system by using a 2.0 + 2.1 system joined
[08:51] <silent> that would explain why I cant do certain things
[08:51] <silent> perhaps a bug
[08:51] <hyperair> perhaps
[08:51] <Dr_willis> can i have a 1000.1 system  if i have a cluster? :)
[08:51] <hyperair> sometimes it's just tweaking the apps
[08:51] <hyperair> yes you can xD
[08:51] <silent> I cant play songs in rhythmbox and have flash audio at the same time, both apps can't share the hardware
[08:51] <hyperair> but you gotta have a damn lot of speakers
[08:51] <XceII> I need the echo stopped,it (when happens) blocks all audio, i need a fix, thanks
[08:51] <hyperair> you can have multiple subwoofers too!
[08:51] <silent> heh, I have Senn HD 595s, I'm not looking for surround sound speakers
[08:51] <Wrath> you play a song and the server room just explodes..
[08:51] <hyperair> XceII could you open a terminal and type "pidof pulseaudio"
[08:52] <hyperair> see if there's a number there
[08:52] <hyperair> =\
[08:52] <XceII> ok brb
[08:52] <XceII> and?
[08:52] <hyperair> one thing to note: when you use the pulseaudio->alsa->speaker setup, EVERYTHING must go through pulseaudio
[08:53] <hyperair> what sound programs do you have running
[08:53] <XceII> thats fine with me
[08:53] <MTecknology> wow - gnome-control-center looks a LOT like ccsm
[08:53] <XceII> amarok
[08:53] <MTecknology> I like that they took it out of the default menu
[08:53] <hyperair> amarok using pulseaudio right?
[08:53] <Dr_willis> it does?
[08:53] <XceII> right now yes
[08:53] <hyperair> what else do you have running?
[08:53] <XceII> thats it
[08:53] <hyperair> and did pidof pulseaudio give you a number?
[08:54] <XceII> sry
[08:55] <hyperair> yea so did pidof pulseaudio give you a number
[08:56] <XceII> please be patient, hyperair im on 7.10, cuz of this. and will re=boot to 8.04., lease dont leave me thanks., god bless you.. brb in 3
[09:00] <XceII> ok, im on hardy,
[09:01] <XceII> hyperair:  give that paulse commadd again.
[09:01] <XceII> thnks
[09:01] <david> wow!
[09:01] <david> fantastic facelift on Systems monitor GUI!
[09:01] <david> I just noticed :)
[09:03] <XceII> I have been abandoned.
[09:03] <XceII> :'(
[09:03] <Dr_willis> xchat here has a history buffer. :)
[09:03] <david> irssi buffer never leaves :P
[09:05] <MTecknology> If I can convince my company to seed out Ubuntu - would we be able to get a copy dloaded an hour or so b4 it hits market?
[09:05] <MTecknology> then I could ssh it over to another server and seed it from there too
[09:06] <XceII> hyperair:
[09:06] <Dr_willis> hits market? Heh..  You could just run a few dozen machines as torrent seeders.
[09:06] <david> ah yes, the slow servers day is close
[09:06] <Dr_willis> Or apply for/become an official mirror.
[09:06] <Dr_willis> i alwys wait a few days after release to get the  new versions.
[09:07] <Dr_willis> or update/upgrade a day befor, and wait it out.
[09:07] <XceII> hyperair:  have a heart man.k?
[09:07] <MTecknology> how do i become official mirror?
[09:07] <Traveler5> i think i'm in the wrong room, but can anyone here possibly help me with a computer question?
[09:07] <XceII> i aint- stupid. just walk me through it
 yea so did pidof pulseaudio give you a number
[09:08] <MTecknology> Traveler5, i think you are - we don't use no stinky computers here
[09:08] <Dr_willis> that was the last he  said. :)
[09:08] <Dr_willis> Traveler5,  and whats the issue?
[09:08] <Traveler5> well its a 2 part question.... first   can spyware cause hardware failure?
[09:08] <MTecknology> I don't think we'll become an official mirror, but i like the idea
[09:08] <david> stoelen megahurtz? :)
[09:08] <XceII> what was the command Dr- POST IT
[09:08] <corporeal> lawlz
[09:08] <MTecknology> there's somebody elses system i might want to shoot for that on
[09:09] <david> Traveler5: this sounds like a windows question :)
[09:09] <david> Traveler5: it's unlikely, most evil malware was a thing of the 90ies on windows OSs
[09:09] <Traveler5> yeah sort of .. i know the answer.. thing is... i'm getting a nvidia memory dump bsod
[09:10] <david> Traveler5: modern malware/spyware corrupt logical data
[09:10] <david> but never say never to weird consequences
[09:11] <Traveler5> lol.. no the idiots at the geek squad at bestbuy are trying to tell me that a key logger is causing the bsod error
[09:12] <XceII> Look Here folks, I am an electronics engineer, (no-kidding) and am just learning linux, (for security), Do not treat me like somr 3rd grader, That I am not, I always helped those who needed it out, Enough of the begging, no wonder folks like (slavery) windoze, you drive them to it.
[09:12] <Traveler5> i'm just trying to find written proof via website to prove this so i can have my new asus laptop replaced
[09:13] <hyperair> XceII: sorrry!!! i forgot i was in the wrong channel!
[09:13] <hyperair> XceII: i'm so so so so so so so soorry i was helping someone in #ubuntu ><
[09:13] <XceII> I'm sorry 2
[09:13] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> how do you find what package a particular file belongs to?
[09:14] <hyperair> XceII: command's pidof pulseaudio
[09:14] <Traveler5> i just wondering if anyone knew of a website i could find more info on spyware related info?
[09:14] <hyperair> XceII: does that give you a number?
[09:14] <XceII> I am retired, and know the tasks @ hand baby sitting illiterates, this I know,
[09:14] <XceII> t/y
[09:15] <XceII> 5888
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: then pulseaudio is running. do you get sound?
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: from what programs don't you get sound?
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: and from what programs do you get jittery sound?
[09:15] <Seveas> ta_bu_shi_da_yu, dpkg -S /path/to/file
[09:16] <XceII> all pgms get sound, but after 5-15 minuits it echoes
[09:16] <XceII> any
[09:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanks Seveas :)
[09:16] <hyperair> XceII: it's always like that? =\
[09:16] <david> Traveler5: reinstall?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yeah i did a full system reinstall
[09:17] <Traveler5> checked the bios
[09:17] <Traveler5> and the temp
[09:17] <XceII> only if i run it for 5-15 minuits, its fine, then , it starts echoing.
[09:17] <david> and you still get BSODs?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yes
[09:17] <david> updated BIOS and drivers?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yep
[09:17] <hyperair> XceII: if you stop all pgms then start again? does it continue?
[09:17] <XceII> its like something breaks
[09:17] <XceII> no
[09:17] <david> possibly downgraded GUI drivers? :)
[09:17] <XceII> i have to re=boot
[09:18] <Traveler5> like i said.. the techs at bestbuy are trying to tell me spyware is causing the error
[09:18] <hyperair> XceII: reboot.. you mean hard lockup? like you can't do anything at all? move the mouse?
[09:18] <XceII> no, just cant re-boot sound
[09:18] <david> right, but then you'd need to get spyware for that logic to work
[09:18] <hyperair> oh
[09:18] <hyperair> XceII: does it keep repeating endlessly or does it stop?
[09:18] <XceII> ya
[09:18] <david> what OS is this btw? :)
[09:19] <Traveler5> windows vista
[09:19] <hyperair> ya means what? repeating endlessly?
[09:19] <hyperair> stops?
[09:19] <XceII> repeatedly
[09:19] <hyperair> hmm
[09:19] <Traveler5> laptop is brandnew... asus G2S
[09:19] <Traveler5> problem is with a nvidia 8600 GT
[09:19] <david> lets clean the channel from vista issues -> PM
[09:19] <hyperair> try making the prob happen again then "killall -9 pulseaudio && pulseaudio & disown" in a terminal
[09:20] <XceII> ok, when i do, then what
[09:20] <unikon> anyone plan on holding off of ubuntu 8.04 and keeping 7.10
[09:20] <Dr_willis> im waiting for service pack 1 :)
[09:20] <hyperair> XceII: see if there's any output
[09:20] <Traveler5> thats not what i need... i just need any website that any of you may know with any written info about spyware
[09:20] <hyperair> XceII: use pastebin.com to post your output
[09:21] <david> you're probably wasting your time Traveler5
[09:21] <Traveler5> this isn't vista issue
[09:21] <XceII> ok. ill do it. I wont hinder the channel tonite, thank you hyperair.
[09:21] <david> it most likely is
[09:21] <Traveler5> i ran it on mac os
[09:21] <david> hello random HW errors
[09:21] <Traveler5> still same issue
[09:21] <Dr_willis> a Live cd - is a good testing tool.
[09:21] <Traveler5> leapord
[09:21] <david> hacked OSX :)
[09:21] <Traveler5> no
[09:22] <hyperair> XceII: if you've got time try ubuntuforums.org it's less noisy there, discussion's more streamlined
[09:23] <XceII> ok, thank you, im sorry for my agressions., god bless you,
[09:23] <hyperair> XceII: you could PM me or sth. i'm hyperair there
[09:23] <hyperair> XceII: no probs
[09:23] <hyperair> @XceII: either way my a levels trials continues tomorrow so i really gotta get back to work. cya
[09:24] <Traveler5> so any ideas?
[09:24] <XceII> ok, be good, & thanks
[09:25] <XceII> Good day folks, god bless you all,.
[09:25]  * tanner feels dirty after that
[09:25] <jimiridge> heh
[09:36] <zero_> hey
[09:37] <zero_> can anyone help me, my SD card reader on my toshiba satellite wont recognize, it shows up in lspci, but wont mount
[09:40] <zero_> goob ds
[09:44] <akaineko> hi there, how to add firestarter to start up ? i mean, so it would load each time i log on to ubuntu ?
[09:46] <david> now that is a controversy I'm afraid
[09:47] <david> there are scripts etc to make that happen
[09:47] <niklas> If I have installed Alpha 6 and is always updating wit synaptic, will my version in fact be the latest Beta?
[09:47] <david> google will tell you all about it :)
[09:47] <Lynoure> david: one person's controversy is another's freedom of choice :)
[09:47] <david> Lynoure: :)
[09:48] <david> I leave firewalling to my firewall cluster :)
[09:48] <Lynoure> I'd actually recommend trying ufw, if one does not really want specifically firestarter
[09:48] <Lynoure> Haven't tried it myself yet, though :)
[09:49] <david> ufw is ubuntu maintained?
[09:49] <Lynoure> david: http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=4 kinda implies that it is in hardy
[09:49] <david> looks like it's a non-GUI fw?
[09:50] <jimiridge> my openwrt router is the king of firewalls
[09:50] <Lynoure> david: I never figured out what good GUIs bring to fw... they just confuse me.
[09:50] <david> I agree :)
[09:50] <jimiridge> ipt_TARPIT.ko   ipt_layer7.ko ipt_ipp2p.ko  ;)
[09:50] <david> jimiridge: hehe, it works :)
[09:51] <jimiridge> its got those windows netbios ports tarpitted
[09:51] <niklas> I have Ubuntu Hardy Alpha 6 as base installation. Do I have to install the latest Beta to be updated? Or does all these updates from the updater in ubuntu take care of this?
[09:51] <david> Lynoure: I'm just imagining the ubuntu-crowd being more and more a majority of fled windowsers
[09:52] <virtuald> niklas: just update as ususal, there's only one hardy archive
[09:53] <niklas> virtuald, thanks for the answer. So I have in fact the latest Beta and not Alpha 6?
[09:53] <jimiridge> lol
[09:53] <virtuald> probably a more recent "version" than the beta
[09:53] <niklas> virtuald, :)
[09:55] <niklas> virtuald, Lets say I install the latest server beta version of hardy on a new machine. When the final version is released, will I in fact have the final version? (I guess, but I want to be sure)
[09:55] <david> you update your way ahear
[09:55] <david> *ahead
[09:56] <jimiridge> quick offtopic Q whats the earliest one can buy beer?
[09:56] <david> it's not like a windows beta, where you have to reinstall the whole deal
[09:56] <niklas> david, yeah, the updater is doing all the job. Nice :)
[09:56] <niklas> Thanks for clearing this out.
[09:56] <david> anything else on a real OS solution would be horrible
[09:57] <virtuald> jimiridge: when the store opens
[09:59] <niklas> Am going to deliver a new ubuntu server to a customer within a week or two. Thanks for the information from david and virtuald, I now understand it will be safe to install the beta because it will later this month in fact be the final version. All thanks to the updater within ubuntu. The new machine will be delivered to customer in one moth.
[09:59] <niklas> month
[09:59] <niklas> I mean, I will set up the machine soon, but be delivered first a month from one.
[09:59] <anmar> Hello guys. Any experts on Broadcom 4318 wireless cards?
[09:59] <compwiz18> anmar: I'm a bit of an expert, what's your question?
[09:59] <niklas> Jeje, never mind. Not any important information!
[09:59] <niklas> :-)
[10:00] <anmar> Great. I tried bcmxx and ndiswrapper and my card doesn't work
[10:00] <compwiz18> anmar: ok, which one do you want to use?
[10:00] <anmar> by "doesn't work" imean. network manager can see everything.. but it never connects
[10:00] <compwiz18> you can only use one, I'd recommend ndiswrapper, I think
[10:00] <compwiz18> ah
[10:01] <anmar> compwiz18: so I am not sure what is happneing. I keep getting a time out error the logs
[10:01] <compwiz18> anmar: what does sudo iwlist scna give you?
[10:01] <anmar> compwiz18: wanna see it
[10:01] <compwiz18> yeah
[10:01] <david> compwiz18: what is the actual brand of the NIC?
[10:01] <niklas> anmar, I have a bcm4318 wireless card on one of my computer. I had to download a firmware from.. I not know. Found the internet address with "dmesg".
[10:02] <anmar> compwiz18: hold on. let me log back in.. gotta chance machines
[10:02] <compwiz18> david: sorry?
[10:02] <david> I've used many bcm-NICs here (unfortunately), but they all work
[10:02] <compwiz18> mine all work too (all two of them ;)
[10:03] <compwiz18> 4306 and 4318, ndiswrapper and bcm43xx both work
[10:03] <krychek> hi, i cant make hardy to show the correct time.. it just shows 2 hours less whatever i set
[10:03] <anmar> I am back.
[10:03] <krychek> my timezone is correct
[10:03] <krychek> i mean its set to CET and its correct
[10:03] <compwiz18> krychek: set your clock two hours ahead of time?
[10:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i wonder if this is a system clock set to UTC vs Localtime issue.
[10:03] <compwiz18> you have the time zone right?
[10:04] <anmar> compwiz18: iwlist gives me a list of [interface] scanning... blah blah
[10:04] <compwiz18> anmar: so it gives you a list of networks alright?
[10:04] <anmar> nope.. but network manager did.
[10:04] <compwiz18> anmar: are you using bcm43xx or ndiswrapper?
[10:04] <DistroJockey> krychek: when you click on edit in the time popup, do you have anything in the location area?
[10:04] <anmar> compwiz18: ndiswrapper
[10:05] <anmar> compwiz18: I am thinking the ndiswrapper route is best
[10:05] <talntid> ndisgtk ;)
[10:05] <krychek> yes, i have new york, budapest (where i live) and tokyo
[10:05] <talntid> got mine working earlier today
[10:05] <krychek> and the time for budapest is correct
[10:06] <compwiz18> krychek: daylight saving time issue or something?
[10:06] <compwiz18> do you have windows installed?
[10:06] <DistroJockey> krychek: I have nothing in mine, and it works. *shrugs*
[10:06] <compwiz18> anmar: I'd agree with you - ndiswrapper usually works better
[10:06] <krychek> and there is a house sign next to budapest
[10:06] <niklas> anmar, You don't have to use windows drivers for bcm43xx. It exist linux drivers
[10:06] <anmar> compwiz18: I checked the lsmod and I have ndiswrapper bc43 and ssb
[10:06] <compwiz18> although you should be able to see the networks with iwlist scan
[10:06] <DistroJockey> krychek: house = home = your time
[10:07] <anmar> niklas: yeah...but it has issues since it is a reverse engineered one
[10:07] <DistroJockey> krychek: I assume
[10:07] <anmar> compwiz18: I hear some people saying you don't need bc43 and ssb.. but I am not sure.
[10:07] <krychek> DistroJockey: yes but why is it 2 hours less then on the top right corner?
[10:07] <niklas> anmar, okay. Anyway, if you are going with linux drivers, here is the firmware you gotta use http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[10:07] <anmar> niklas: hmm.. let me check it out.
[10:07] <krychek> home time should be equal to the time in the top right corner
[10:07] <DistroJockey> krychek: did you get a choice of UTC or local when you installed?
[10:08] <anmar> niklas: btw, the bcm43xx is now deprecated and will be replaced by bcm and ssd
[10:08] <krychek> donno.. cant i change it now?
[10:09] <compwiz18> anmar: that's interesting - did you get a good inf file for ndiswrapper?
[10:09] <niklas> anmar, You just install as usually with ubuntu drivers manager the driver and then download the right firmware from that address. You can always see what todo with "dmesg" when you are trying to use the wireless card.
[10:09] <DistroJockey> krychek: try right clicking the clock, then Preferences then Time Settings
[10:09] <themanses> hi, i am new to hardy heron beta, and i need to ask a question.
[10:09] <niklas> themanses, Shoot
[10:09] <anmar> niklas: yeah the message was error loading ucode5.fw
[10:10] <krychek> DistroJockey: the time is correct there
[10:10] <DistroJockey> krychek:  hmm
[10:10] <anmar> compwiz18: yea... I got it from the Asus (my card is from them (wl-138g V2)
[10:10] <niklas> anmar, ucode5.fx exist at the address I gave you
[10:10] <themanses> well, if hardy stable comes out can i upgrade via update manager or do i have to run a command?
[10:10] <anmar> and I ahve it installed on my ubuntu any hwo
[10:10] <compwiz18> anmar: let me link you to the driver I'm using with my 4318
[10:10] <anmar> compwiz18: cool
[10:10] <DistroJockey> krychek: sorry, out of ideas atm
[10:11] <krychek> and yes i have windows too on this system, and when i changed the time here it changed it in windows too
[10:11] <krychek> so one of them showed the wrong time always
[10:11] <kane77> why doesn't firefox3 keep me logged in or remember passwords?
[10:11] <DistroJockey> krychek: yeah, if you use windows, you need to use local rather than UTC
[10:11] <stefg> themanses: by default the update-manager will ask you to update packages automatically. if you apply all updates when they arrive you will 'grow' into the stable release
[10:11] <niklas> themanses, I have just learned that if you are updating as usually with updater within ubuntu, it doesn't matter if your base installation was alpha 5, alpha 6 or beta.. It will always be the latest if you are updating as usually
[10:12] <jaffarkelshac> i am still have a dispearing (invisible) mouse pointer at certain menuand tabs
[10:12] <krychek> DistroJockey: and how can i change it?
[10:12] <themanses> cool!!! so that explains why i have gotten 7 updates in one day.
[10:12] <krychek> local vs utc
[10:12] <talntid> anyone know of any programs that scan a range of IP's and map it out on a visual network? like http://www.10-strike.com/lanstate/lanstate_shot.png
[10:13] <compwiz18> anmar: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=48087&d=1193544558 : extract that, and then you should see a drivers-32.tar.gz and a drivers-64.tar.gz, pick the correct one for your OS and tell me when you're there
[10:13] <DistroJockey> krychek: looking
[10:13] <stefg> themanses: that's usual for a version which is under heavy debugging prior to relase
[10:13] <anmar> compwiz18: cool. give me a minute.
[10:14] <compwiz18> themanses: earlier in the cycle you can get hundreds of updates a day :)
[10:14] <themanses> aaahhhh.
[10:14] <themanses> thanks guys.
[10:15] <DistroJockey> krychek: what does /etc/default/rcS show for UTC ?
[10:15] <krychek> UTC=yes
[10:16] <krychek> should i change it to no?
[10:16] <DistroJockey> krychek: mine says no, make a backup and try that
[10:16] <stefg> krychek: so win thins your cmos clock is local time, while ubuntu thinks it's utc ... there you have
[10:16] <anmar> compwiz18: ok. I am about to install the 32 bit ndiswrapper
[10:17] <DistroJockey> Windows forces local, linux gives a choice
[10:17] <compwiz18> anmar: ok -- using ndiswrapper -i should do it for you
[10:17] <DistroJockey> <3 linux
[10:17] <krychek> thanks :)
[10:17] <krychek> im sure itll work after reboot
[10:17] <compwiz18> anmar: ndiswrapper -i somedriver.inf
[10:17] <DistroJockey> krychek: thanks me when it works :)
[10:17] <DistroJockey> thank^
[10:18] <krychek> sure :)
[10:18] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:18] <kane77> does anyone experience the same thing? firefox 3 just doesn't keep me logged in, nor it remembers passwords (and it is checked in preferences).
[10:18] <DistroJockey> kry but anyway, yw and I hope it does
[10:19] <DistroJockey> krychek: oops, missed the tab key ;P
[10:19] <anmar> compwiz18: done
[10:19] <krychek> its ok you can call me kry :)
[10:19] <HardyOne> kane77, do you have firefox set to clear cache on shutdown?
[10:19] <kane77> HardyOne, no
[10:19] <DistroJockey> does it still hilight your name though?
[10:19] <DistroJockey> kry^
[10:19] <DistroJockey> hehe
[10:20] <compwiz18> anmar: so then sudo rmmod ndiswrapper and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper should reload the driver
[10:20] <krychek> no it doesnt
[10:20] <DistroJockey> krychek: didn't think so
[10:20] <krychek> ye :)
[10:20] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:20] <anmar> compwiz18: done
[10:20] <kane77> HardyOne, that's why I'm surprised (and annoyed)
[10:20] <krychek> i reported a bug about ndisgtk, that it cant remove installed drivers and it was set to critical by a dev
[10:21] <compwiz18> anmar: does sudo iwlist scan give you anything?
[10:21] <anmar> yes
[10:21] <compwiz18> so that's an improvement, right?
[10:21] <anmar> compwiz18: I can see all places
[10:21] <DistroJockey> krychek: what driver and remove command?
[10:21] <compwiz18> anmar: is the AP you want to connect to unsecured?
[10:21] <DistroJockey> krychek:  I want to play :)
[10:21] <anmar> compwiz18: I can connect to an unsecured one for testing
[10:22] <anmar> compwiz18: should I use Network Manager
[10:22] <compwiz18> anmar: just type sudo dhclient wlan0 (if wlan0 is the name of the wireless interface) in the terminal and see if that gets you an IP address
[10:22] <anmar> sure...
[10:22] <compwiz18> not sure if that still works, but it used to work great for connecting to unsecured APs
[10:23] <virtuald> After upgrade to hardy gnome-settings-manager won't start and compiz.real uses all cpu time it can get. (Gutsy) X crashed while i was doing the upgrade in update-manager. I did an aptitude update and it told me to do dpkg --configure -a (or similar) so i did because when i logged in to X the first time it was like 800x600 60Hz, but after dpkg --... it worked, some panel app told me to reboot, so I did. I don't remember if X was this slow before the
[10:23] <compwiz18> otherwise, you can see if NM helps you out
[10:23] <anmar> compwiz18: nope... nothing.
[10:23] <compwiz18> anmar: ok, probably fine, try Network Manager
[10:23] <anmar> compwiz18: let me try the iwconfig and see if I can hook on it.
[10:23] <compwiz18> anmar: ok
[10:24] <krychek> DistroJockey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ndisgtk/+bug/108656 read the recent comments
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108656 in ndisgtk "ndisgtk can't remove installed driver" [Critical,Fix committed]
[10:24] <clarezoe> can anyone tell me where to find the services and applications that are started when computer starts?
[10:24] <virtuald> Where do I go from here?
[10:24] <HardyOne> compwiz18, how can I find out what the name of my wlan is? I mean wlan0 does not work for me
[10:24] <DistroJockey> krychek: k
[10:24] <anmar> compwiz18: ... I get "Mar 30 02:23:43 hero kernel: [ 2339.862904] wlan0: authentication with AP 00:06:25:f6:ed:f8 timed out
[10:24] <anmar> compwiz18: this is the error that I keep having... not sure why
[10:25] <compwiz18> HardyOne: try ifconfig and see whats listed: there should be an eth0 (the wired interface) and then another one (not called lo) with a name like ath0, wlan0, eth1
[10:25] <stefg> virtuald: first disable compiz to see if it's related to hardware 3D acceleration. Especially when running an ATi card.
[10:25] <compwiz18> anmar: is that a network-manager error?
[10:25] <anmar> compwiz18: this is the error I keep fighting with ( wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:06:25:f6:ed:f8
[10:25] <HardyOne> compwiz18, all I get is eth0 and lo but I know this laptop has a built in wireless card
[10:25] <DistroJockey> krychek: didn't even know there was an ndisgtk :)
[10:25] <virtuald> stefg: thought so but i don't know how to do it from the console
[10:25] <anmar> compwiz18: nope..from the kernel
[10:26] <compwiz18> HardyOne: the card might not be detected
[10:26] <krychek> DistroJockey: there is :)
[10:26] <virtuald> stefg: the settings menu doesn't pop up like it should
[10:26] <virtuald> it's nvidia gtw
[10:26] <DistroJockey> krychek: that may help one day (if I remember it) Cheers :)
[10:26] <compwiz18> anmar: just a random shot: can you restart the router?
[10:27] <compwiz18> sometimes that fixes problems
[10:27] <anmar> compwiz18: I tested the router with my macbook. it is fully functional
[10:27] <compwiz18> ok
[10:27] <stefg> virtuald: hmm... you could just uninstall it with sudo apt-get autoremove compiz .... after debugging you can reinstall
[10:27] <HardyOne> compbrain, System>Admin> Hardware Drivers list Atheros hardware access layer in use and also Support for 802.11 wireless lan cards in use
[10:27] <virtuald> ok
[10:27] <anmar> compwiz18: it is a bloddy pain... cause I can scan but I can't get any packets form the networks (regardless weather they are secure or not)
[10:27] <HardyOne> compwiz18, ^^^
[10:28] <compwiz18> anmar: might be network-manager's fault, you can try a different manager: wifi-radar, wicd (http://wicd.net), or just using iwconfig
[10:28] <anmar> compwiz18: let me try iwconfig
[10:28] <stefg> virtuald: and see if <glxinfo | grep direct> turns up 'yes'
[10:28] <compwiz18> HardyOne: does the card show up in lspci?
[10:29] <anmar> compwiz18: hehe... same problem.
[10:29] <HardyOne> compwiz18,  Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:29] <anmar> I am going to dump the ndisroute for know and try the b43
[10:30] <compwiz18> anmar: sounds like a good next step
[10:30] <compwiz18> HardyOne: one second though, try ifconfig -a and see if anything shows up
[10:30] <anmar> compwiz18: yeah... will see :)
[10:31] <HardyOne> compwiz18, just eth0 and lo get listed
[10:31] <compwiz18> anmar: sorry I'm not being much help :)
[10:31] <anmar> compwiz18: thanks man... I really appreciate you taking me through the steps
[10:32] <compwiz18> anmar: no problem, I still remember the first time I set this thing up
[10:32] <compwiz18> I'm really looking forward to using that card with Hardy now ;)
[10:32] <anmar> compwiz18: BTW, is your card for laptop or PCI for dekstop?
[10:33] <compwiz18> anmar: it's a laptop
[10:34] <BadRobot> hi there fellas
[10:34] <BadRobot> this party in here is jumping
[10:34] <anmar> compwiz18: ah
[10:34] <BadRobot> ...
[10:34] <BadRobot> so does anyone knows how to get FF3 Beta4 updated to Beta 5?
[10:35] <compwiz18> BadRobot: sudo apt-get update doesn't do it for you?
[10:36] <BadRobot> no
[10:36] <compwiz18> anmar: yeah, my other bcm card (PCMCIA) that I stuck in the hardy laptop works fine with ndiswrapper
[10:36] <compwiz18> although it is a 4306
[10:36] <BadRobot> broadcom cards are the worste
[10:36] <TheInfinity> BadRobot: beta5 is not in repos
[10:36] <BadRobot> worst
[10:36] <TheInfinity> so option 1: wait
[10:37] <talntidwrk> fyi
[10:37] <BadRobot> no isn't
[10:37] <talntidwrk> i have a broadcom
[10:37] <TheInfinity> option 2: compile it for yourself
[10:37] <talntidwrk> 4310
[10:37] <dbmoodb> yeah i have a few problems with the live cd this time-- its made really badly atm -- the install option does not provide options to change the screen resolution ... the safe graphics boot is hidden etc... - where do i file my feedback ?
[10:37] <talntidwrk> is this issue about the 4310??
[10:37] <talntidwrk> if it is, i may be able to help.
[10:37] <TheInfinity> i would recomment option 1 if you dont exacly know what you do
[10:38] <BadRobot> i don't know how Fedora 9 managed to get to their Beta release,i mean FF3 Beta 5
[10:38] <KrimZon> is anyone here able to help me with audacity? i  can't get it to play or record sound
[10:38] <compwiz18> talntidwrk: what driver are you using on your 4310? We're working on a 4318, but I'm using a 4306 in my hardy laptop
[10:38] <compwiz18> they're mostly all the same, AFAIK
[10:38] <KrimZon> there's just a big pause when i try to record followed by an error telling me to check sample rate, and a big pause when going into preferences
[10:38] <TheInfinity> BadRobot: wait a while. fedora has most times quite new packages
[10:38] <TheInfinity> and ubuntu hardy is in beta state
[10:39] <talntidwrk> bcmwl5
[10:40] <BadRobot> audacy is working fine on my Ubuntustudio Krimzon
[10:41] <virtuald> ok, i got x running with no lag, but no wm
[10:43] <KrimZon> BadRobot: what devices is it using in preferences?
[10:44] <virtuald> stefg: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[10:44] <BadRobot> well, i don't remember,i am not on Ubuntustudio right now,i am on debian
[10:44] <KrimZon> ah
[10:44] <stefg> virtuald: there you have, your 3D accel is screwed, probably a restricted driver is causing trouble
[10:44] <BadRobot> try to install Ubuntustudio from Synaptic
[10:45] <KrimZon> i can't find any relevant ubuntustudio package
[10:46] <BadRobot> which packages are you looking for?
[10:47] <KrimZon> stuff relating to the actual sound system rather than just apps on top of it
[10:48] <KrimZon> i'm trying ubuntustudio-audio though
[10:51] <frafra> hi all
[10:51] <DistroJockey> greeting frafra
[10:51] <DistroJockey> greetings^
[10:51] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:51] <justin007827> hello
[10:52] <frafra> I'm customizing kubuntu hardy (daily build 29/3) for my school, but I've a big problem: /var/lib/dpkg/status is not the file that apt expects
[10:52] <justin007827> i'm running into an error when i try and compile vmware. Can anyone help?
[10:52] <frafra> it's a linux kernel c file O.o
[10:52] <TheInfinity> justin007827: you need some inofficial patches
[10:52] <frafra> and not the complete list of installed packages
[10:52] <TheInfinity> just google for it
[10:53] <justin007827> i loaded one patch
[10:53] <gluer> use virtualbox
[10:53] <justin007827> grr
[10:53] <justin007827> i didnt like virtualbox
[10:53] <gluer> ;-)
[10:53] <frafra> so, I can't add and remove packages
[10:53] <gluer> justin: its running my vista setup pretty sweet
[10:53] <justin007827> well, I had a rpoblem with it
[10:54] <justin007827> when i would try to run gentoo install cd, it would kick me out
[10:54] <newbie294> Hello, The release notes mention Inkscape but it is not installed by default in this beta version
[10:54] <DistroJockey> frafra: an issue with your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:54] <justin007827> gluer: something about the xserver.
[10:54] <frafra> DistroJockey, no, it's the default sources.list
[10:55] <newbie294> will inkscape be installed by default in the final stable version?
[10:55] <gluer> justin: i heard there is an update either out or comming for hardy
[10:55] <frafra> I haven't change nothing
[10:55] <frafra> *I haven't changed anything (excuseme for the bad english)
[10:56] <DistroJockey> frafra: pastebin your issue? not saying I can help, but a little more info is needed
[10:56] <gaminggeek> can anyone here play more than one audio track at the same time with hardy?
[10:56] <justin007827> gluer: ok, you think it might stop it from crashing?
[10:56] <DistroJockey> frafra: as in the response fro apt-get
[10:57] <frafra> ok
[10:57] <newbie294> and another question is that how I can take screenshots of my compiz effects particularly the window switcher
[10:57] <gluer> justin: no im talking about your vmware issue
[10:57] <gaminggeek> used to be able to have banshee open and play flash stuff but now in hardy its broken
[10:57] <gluer> justin: i couldnt compile it either
[10:57] <justin007827> gluer: ahh, ok
[10:57] <IdleOne> compwiz18you could of warned me that installing wicd was going to remove network manager and in effect render internet useless :P
[10:58] <compwiz18> IdleOne: I assume people can read what apt tells them ;)
[10:58] <compwiz18> but I apologize
[10:58] <compwiz18> they conflict, sadly
[10:58] <IdleOne> compwiz18not your fasult hehe I should of read before accepting
[10:58] <IdleOne> fault*
[10:59] <justin007827> gluer: well, maybe i will just use virtualbox. I got it to run ubuntu fine, lol. have any distros you would recomend to try out on a virtualbox maching?
[10:59] <justin007827> machine*
[10:59] <jimiridge> backtrack
[10:59] <frafra> http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status
[10:59] <frafra> this seems a good solution
[10:59] <gluer> justin: i just use it for vista, mainly for work
[10:59] <frafra> but I have to reinstall everything
[10:59] <jimiridge> bsd's gentoo,
[10:59] <IdleOne> compwiz18I am taking the oppertunity to do a fresh install anyway. have ubuntu and kubuntu all meshed up and it is a mess
[11:00] <justin007827> ya, i really wanted to try gentoo, too bad it wont work
[11:00] <jimiridge> i could go on for hours naming distro's os's and the likes
[11:00] <compwiz18> IdleOne: you can reinstall network-manager if you want
[11:00] <compwiz18> IdleOne: I'll add a note about removing network-manager to the wicd download page, I think
[11:00] <DistroJockey> frafra: ohh, that does look nasty
[11:00] <frafra> yes :(
[11:01] <frafra> the problem is
[11:01] <IdleOne> compwiz18  know but I dont like all the kde apps mixed with the gniome apps. was going to do it anyway
[11:01] <justin007827> is it ok to ask about this stuff in here, or should i go to another chanell? just checking.
[11:01] <compwiz18> IdleOne: yeah, KDE + Gnome is a mess
[11:01] <frafra> that that file shouldn't be a .c source file :(
[11:02] <frafra> mmm...
[11:02] <frafra> I could run it in virtualbox and copy that file
[11:02] <KrimZon> yep... audacity is still broken and now my sound and video menu is full of stuff
[11:02] <DistroJockey> frafra: customizing how and what?
[11:02] <KrimZon> :\
[11:03] <justin007827> jimiridge: i have heard of bsd. apple uses a version of free bsd right? what is different about the bsd distros?
[11:03] <gluer> lol ive got 60 updates for hardy waiting, but my setup is running really well, paranoid about installing
[11:03] <DistroJockey> frafra: and why :)
[11:03] <frafra> I have to make it in italian, removing amarok and some app., adding flash and mp3 support, and emesene
[11:03] <IdleOne> gluer be a man and do it !
[11:03] <DistroJockey> frafra: ahh
[11:03] <frafra> and make a second cd with wine and kde edu
[11:03] <gluer> idleone
[11:03] <frafra> for my school
[11:03] <IdleOne> gluer you arent beta testing to be prudent :)
[11:03] <gluer> come on!
[11:03] <compwiz18> IdleOne: there we go, now people are forewarned ;)
[11:04] <gluer> argh! alrite
[11:04] <dns53> justin007827 apple uses the march microkernel and a bsd userland, they are not really running bsd
[11:04] <IdleOne> compwiz18 thank you .
[11:04] <justin007827> dns53: thanks
[11:04]  * IdleOne goes and get coffee....
[11:04] <DistroJockey> frafra: out of my area sorry
[11:05] <frafra> so, we want to install kubuntu with those patch in my school and distribuite it to other local school and to the students :)
[11:05] <tobi> Hi, I have a problem with my german keyboard layout
[11:05] <dns53> justin007827 think of it as more like colinux or wine from what i can see, it is sort of like a  bsd wrapper that allows unix to run
[11:05] <frafra> when will be released the first RC?
[11:05] <tobi> I can change it in the gnome keyboard config, then it is german
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: That sounds like a great initiative. Good luck.
[11:06] <tobi> but after a restart it's the US layout again.
[11:06] <frafra> thanks :)
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: Hardy should be out at the end of April
[11:06] <elbermungsterses> something's up with my firefox
[11:06] <frafra> thx
[11:06] <justin007827> dns53: thats interesting. I switched from osx a little while ago. I like ubuntu a lot better, minus the fact I can't figure the internet shareing out
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: yw :)
[11:07] <elbermungsterses> it won't display history, it won't add live bookmarks, and it won't display bookmarks.
[11:07] <DistroJockey> frafra: it's pretty stable now, so I'm sure they are on target for an April release
[11:07] <jng> justin007827: next version of network-manager (0.7) is rumoured to support internet sharing
[11:08] <justin007827> jng: thats great to hear. It's a nice feature.
[11:08] <jng> the 0.7 network-manager sounds really powerful .. not sure when it will land though
[11:09] <justin007827> ubuntu seems to be ahead of all the other distros with wireless support.
[11:09] <IdleOne> justin007827 that is because ubuntu has an aggressive release cycle
[11:09] <jng> ubuntu seems to be nearest the bleeding edge in general
[11:09] <IdleOne> every 6 months
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> can anyone help please? my firefox won't display history and add live bookmarks even though i don't have private browsing on.
[11:10] <jng> anyone got bbc radio working under hardy?
[11:10] <justin007827> IdleOne: I've noticed. each realease gets better and better
[11:10] <IdleOne> justin007827 that is the point :)
[11:11] <elbermungsterses> sorry, am i talking about a bug?
[11:11] <IdleOne> it's nice to add fancy eye candy to a OS but if the OS is full of holes and apps that dont work ....
[11:11] <elbermungsterses> i'll take that to launchpad.
[11:11] <Dr_willis>  private browsing ? Not seeen that feature
[11:12] <justin007827> IdleOne: many of my friends are switching to linux from windows and osx because of how easy you guys keep makeing ubuntu. Hardy is really nice.
[11:12] <jimiridge> lol
[11:13] <Dr_willis> internet shareing - under linux. is like a 4 line script. :)
[11:13] <Dr_willis> not sure if they got a nice gui for it or not
[11:13] <justin007827> Dr_willis: can you help me figure it out
[11:13] <justin007827> when i try, i break my network
[11:13] <Dr_willis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sharing-internet-connection-in-ubuntu.html
[11:13] <jimiridge> what? routing?
[11:14] <Dr_willis> I havent done it in ages..
[11:14] <Dr_willis> if using 2 network cards - might need to do a little more tweaking. but thats the gist of it.
[11:14] <talntidwrk> load balancing is easy :)
[11:14] <justin007827> Dr_willis: thats the page i tried to follow
[11:14] <Dr_willis>  the 'ip-masquerading howto' at one time was the defacto docs on the topic. Not sure how out of date it is.
[11:14] <_dan_> hey guys, flashplugin is not working out of the box with firefox3 on hardy, is this bug reported yet?
[11:14] <talntidwrk> oh, you're wanting internet sharing
[11:14] <talntidwrk> why not just do it the right way and put a switch in?
[11:14] <talntidwrk> curious
[11:15] <justin007827> its on a laptop
[11:15] <justin007827> my macbook pro
[11:15] <Lynoure> talntidwrk: not always possible, e.g. with 3G usb modems
[11:15] <talntidwrk> good point, Lynoure...
[11:15] <jng> Dr_willis: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2007/10/15/networkmanager-07-is-the-new-chuck-norris/
[11:15] <Dr_willis> ipmasq - securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling
[11:16] <Lynoure> talntidwrk: haven't gotten one myself yet, just thinking about on as the replacement for our current backup connection (more fun)
[11:18] <justin007827> Dr_willis: when I follow those direction, using ifconfig ath0, I lose my network connection
[11:18] <Dr_willis> justin007827,  this is when learning what you are doing pays - i guess.. :)
[11:19] <justin007827> yea, i have been trying to understand networking for a while
[11:19] <Dr_willis> You configure both nic's properly. thenuse the proper iptables commands to send info btweeen the 2
[11:19] <Dr_willis>  if they are allready configured you dont need to be using the ifconfig command.
[11:19] <justin007827> i know that ath0 is configured
[11:20] <virtuald> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:28023): DEBUG: Starting xrandr manager
[11:20] <virtuald> Error:  X was unable to determine screen size range for window 82
[11:20] <virtuald> parse error
[11:20] <virtuald> Error:  X was unable to determine screen size range for window 82
[11:20] <virtuald> Segmenteringsfel (core dumped)
[11:20] <justin007827> eth0 is my ethernet conection right?
[11:20] <virtuald> what to do now_ >>
[11:20] <Boohbah> search bugzilla
[11:20] <Dr_willis> eth0 is a wired network connection.. yes.
[11:21] <justin007827> k, thats the one i want to forward my ath0 connection to
[11:22] <justin007827> Dr_willis: its, ok. I'll keep reading about it in my spare time.
[11:23] <Dr_willis> justin007827,  check oht the ip-masquerading howto's perhaps
[11:23] <justin007827> Dr_willis: good call.  I'm sure I will figure it out eventually.
[11:24] <virtuald> i got no appropriate hit from bugzilla, though i don't know what to search for, i tried the "Error" line without the window number
[11:30] <virtuald> is all i can do just to wait_
[11:30] <virtuald> ?
[11:30] <Dr_willis> !appdb
[11:30] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[11:32] <Jimiridge_> neat
[11:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. that site does not work properly with konquer.... bummer
[11:41] <frafra> I've copied /var/lib/dpkg/status from live cd to my custom distro... but it does not work
[11:41] <frafra> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libart-2.0-2' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[11:41] <frafra> etc...
[11:42] <danuel> Anyone know how to add support for video card and monitor in Hardy?  xorg.conf doesn't seem to control resolution.  RandR doesn't recognize the correct resolutions (xrandr -q)
[11:43] <evan_> hey is there anyone who has global menu to work?
[11:44] <qense> danuel: from Xorg 7.3, which is used in hardy, dynamic resolution changes are supported
[11:45] <dns53> danuel do you have a line in your xorg.conf like:  Modes      "1280x960@60" "1280x1024@60" "1024x768@60" "800x600@60" "800x600@56" "640x480@60"
[11:45] <qense> you should be able to change them in System->Preferences->...
[11:45] <dns53> you can still have the resolution there if you dont need it, i have a custom resolution for my eeepc as it is not detected
[11:47] <danuel> dns53, I added the resolution lines in xorg.conf, but it doesnlt show up in xrandr
[11:48] <danuel> qense, only 800x600 is available through the gui
[11:48] <qense> oh
[11:48] <qense> that's not very nice
[11:48] <danuel> yes, I know.
[11:48] <dns53> danuel you got a nvidia card? use their tool to create the resolution
[11:49] <danuel> Yes.
[11:49] <danuel> It', NVIDIA GeForce 7150M
[11:50] <danuel> The only available driver that tests ok is vesa ...
[11:50] <qense> nvidia-glx-new ?
[11:51] <danuel> I thought the glx-new was primarily for 3d rendering.
[11:51] <qense> if you install that and run nvidia-xconfig in the terminal it should work
[11:51] <qense> it
[11:51] <qense> it's the latest nvidia display driver
[11:51] <danuel> Also, I would like to avoid loadiing propriatary drivers.
[11:51] <qense> oh
[11:51] <qense> you should use nv
[11:51] <danuel> Ok, I'll try it.
[11:51] <qense> (btw, how far are they with nouveau?)
[11:52] <orvokki> Afaik 2d works fine.
[11:52] <qense> is it already in the ubuntu repos?
[11:52] <orvokki> qense: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix
[11:53] <qense> danuel: nouveau is a project aimed on creating an opensource replacement for nvidia's driver
[11:53] <qense> it's still under heavy development
[11:53] <danuel> excellent.
[11:54] <orvokki> Seems to me that it's not really that much better (at least yet) than nv driver.
[11:54] <qense> they need to get 3D working first I suppose before they are a serious alternative
[11:55] <orvokki> Indeed.
[11:55] <orvokki> It would be nice though. Someone coul deven say running binary blobs inside kernel would count as a security risk...
[11:56] <orvokki> s/coul deven/could even/
[11:56] <qense> one of the few major security errors in the kernel was caused by the closed nvidia module
[11:56] <qense> but it is fixed by now
[11:57] <jimiridge> it was something about the memory being executable or something
[11:57] <qense> but I do use nvidia's closed driver. ;) it's the best there is atm
[11:57] <orvokki> qense: I meant more like that afaik just getting to be in the kernel tends to bypass all security mechanisms.
[11:58] <orvokki> That is, we have to trust that the binary blob itself contains nothing malicious.
[11:59] <qense> and that's also why Microsoft can scream we're violating it patents, but we can t control if they violate the GPL
[12:00] <orvokki> Maybe the next LTS after Hardy will have decent opensource drivers for Nvidia. ^^
[12:00] <qense> I hope so
[12:00] <RAOF> orvokki: The nouveau driver is very, very much better than nv.  Right now.
[12:01] <qense> something I'd really like to happen is that nouveau driver will become so populair that nvidia opens up it source and develop together
[12:01] <qense> but I don't see that happen
[12:01] <RAOF> It doesn't do 3d*, but it's the fastest 2d driver available at the moment, and that's including the proprietary driver.
[12:01] <qense> nvidia wants to keeps things a bit secret
[12:01] <RAOF> * - At least, 3d isn't supported at all, and doesn't work with everything, and is known-incomplete.
[12:02] <orvokki> RAOF: Is it that it doesn't do 3d at all or that it doesn't do accelerated 3d?
[12:02] <RAOF> orvokki: The question doesn't really make sense.  What would "not accelerated 3d" be?
[12:02] <orvokki> CPU rendering.
[12:03] <RAOF> orvokki: Well, that's entirely driver-independent.  It does not accelerated 3d just fine :)
[12:03] <orvokki> RAOF: That is as in "we don't know how to control this GPU so we'll just use the CPU and known methods until we learn to do it the fast way".
[12:04] <RAOF> orvokki: As far as I'm aware, for modern cards you either don't know how to drive them _at all_, or you can do pretty much anything.  Once you've actually implemented it :).
[12:04] <RAOF> As for actual 3d acceleration, I can run openarena with it just fine.
[12:05] <RAOF> However, the 3d built on the as-yet-incomplete gallium framework, will end up needing DRI2, etc.
[12:06] <RAOF> More interesting than nouveau 3d at the moment is that it's a far, far better 2d driver than nv (and a better 2d driver than the proprietary driver) - when it works.  And it mostly works :).
[12:06] <KrimZon> argh, more audio problems
[12:06] <RAOF> Oh, and unless you have a geforce 8 or 9.  The nv drivers aren't as bad for them, and the nouveau drivers don't work well for them.
[12:07] <KrimZon> the default audio player in ubuntu crackles for me - lots of little gaps in the sound
[12:07] <KrimZon> even with the rt kernel
[12:07] <KrimZon> but i'm hoping there's something i can do to fix that
[12:07] <jng> hmm KrimZon audio is generally ok for me, but can't get bbc radio realplayer streams to do anything but crackle
[12:08] <KrimZon> it's movie player, the one that crackles for me
[12:08] <jng> i'm guessing i have a codec problem
[12:09] <jaffarkelshac> which folder are programs installed in
[12:09] <KrimZon> audacious doesnt though, neither does alsaplayer (alsa), vlc, amarok
[12:10] <tobi> jaffarkelshac: it depends
[12:10] <eldaria> Hey guys, I found a bug, but i'm not sure how to trace it to give usufull info in bug report.
[12:10] <DistroJockey> eldaria: what sorta bug?
[12:11] <jaffarkelshac> tobi, but generally it where do they get installed
[12:11] <eldaria> I use Kubuntu Hardy Beta, and when I try to change keyboard layout my X-server crash back to login screen.
[12:11] <eldaria> I looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old but no info is to be found about the crash
[12:11] <jng> jaffarkelshac: dpkg -L package-name
[12:11] <tobi> jaffarkelshac: /usr/bin
[12:11] <jng> will list all the files in a package
[12:12] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[12:12] <DistroJockey> eldaria: ohh, bummer. Sorry I can't help there, on Ubuntu Hardy beta
[12:12] <jng> also "type progname" will tell you where it is
[12:13] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Is it possibel to change the layouts in Ubuntu, or will you also get the crash there? (Save your work first. :-) )
[12:13] <jimiridge> thats cool
[12:14] <DistroJockey> give me directions and I will try :)
[12:14] <jimiridge> i never knew "type" existed
[12:14] <DistroJockey> eldaria: ^
[12:15] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Ehm, not sure who to do it in Ubuntu, I use System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout
[12:15] <eldaria> DistroJockey: I then add a layout and click apply, and Boom crash to Login
[12:15] <danuel> Does anyone know if Hardy will natively support broadcom wireless (BCM43xx)
[12:16] <DistroJockey> eldaria: sec, I'll poke around
[12:16] <eldaria> ok
[12:16] <jimiridge> how do you pronouce ubuntu?
[12:17] <qense> oeboentoe I think :)
[12:17] <jimiridge> i say you-bun-two
[12:17] <qense> (oe like the german u and the dutch oe
[12:17] <danuel> yoo booon tooo
[12:17] <jng> there is a guy at work that insists on calling it un-bun-two  .. drives me nuts
[12:17] <jimiridge> cmon qense thats even more questionable then ubuntu
[12:17] <qense> I don't think it has a y/j at the beginning
[12:17] <qense> it's not English
[12:17] <jimiridge> heh jng
[12:17] <DistroJockey> eldaria: adding German
[12:18] <jimiridge> he must be lysdexic
[12:18] <danuel> Just watch the video that comes with every installation under examples ... hear Nelson sayit.
[12:18] <DistroJockey> eldaria: big download :)
[12:18] <jng> not sure.. its the only thing he says weirdly .. think he just misread it and has never recovered
[12:19] <jimiridge> heh
[12:19] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Ehm are you sure you are not adding a a whole new language?
[12:19] <qense> according to wikipedia it's [ùbúntú]
[12:19] <DistroJockey> eldaria: I probably am
[12:19] <qense> or [uːˈbuːntuː]
[12:19] <qense> it's Zulu
[12:19] <jimiridge> like i said? you bun two?
[12:20] <danuel> I agree: you boone tooo
[12:20] <jimiridge> i dunno i'm not african, i'm american so i'll say it in english
[12:20] <qense> you?
[12:20] <IdleOne> it is pronounced OOO BOON TOO
[12:20] <qense> it's phonetic
[12:20] <danuel> yes you boon too (English)
[12:20] <danuel> boon like Daniel Boon
[12:20] <IdleOne> not YOU
[12:20] <qense> indeed, no you
[12:20] <DistroJockey> eldaria: I assume that's what you needed to do though?
[12:20] <qense> not everything is English :)
[12:21] <jimiridge> buh-n-two
[12:21] <jimiridge> heh this is crazy but a great topic
[12:21] <eldaria> DistroJockey: no, only the keyboard layout, it looks like it should be in System/Preferences/Keyboard
[12:21] <danuel> Shouldn't this conversation be in #ubuntu and not in +1?
[12:21] <eldaria> DistroJockey: and then in Layout
[12:22] <Zvezdichko> hmmm.. has xserver-xorg-input-wacom been updated twice this morning?
[12:22] <eldaria> Zvezdichko: Yes
[12:22] <eldaria> Zvezdichko: First update broke wacom support, and second update fixed it again
[12:22] <DistroJockey> eldaria: ahh, k, and when you go there, then what?
[12:22] <IdleOne> good thing it wasnt the other way around
[12:23] <danuel> I have some real issues with Hardy and I would like to discuss them with someone familiar with this beta.
[12:23] <IdleOne> danuelshoot and we will see iof perhaps we can help
[12:23] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Try add another layout, I added Swedish Dvorak. then I click Apply and I crash, after crash I have the keyboard swithing tray icon, and when I click it, I also have a crash
[12:23] <danuel> Ok, boradcom wireless.... BCM4310
[12:24] <danuel> Should I try the fix for 7.10
[12:24] <danuel> or is there a better way in Hardy 8.04
[12:24] <DistroJockey> eldaria: I only have one layout listed (US)
[12:25] <eldaria> DistroJockey: no option to add?
[12:25] <DistroJockey> eldaria: yep, sorry, just added Germany
[12:26] <DistroJockey> eldaria: I have still not managed to crash it, even though I have no idea what I am doing :)
[12:27] <jimiridge> anyone else having probs with video4linux?
[12:27] <eldaria> DistroJockey: ok, hmmm. and when you cllcik close and type something, are your qwerty changed into azerty? Or is it still usiing your original layout?
[12:27] <jimiridge> my webcam doesnt popup a /dev/video0 when i plug it in since i upgraded
[12:28] <DistroJockey> eldaria: I'm trying it on the system I am running now.
[12:29] <DistroJockey> eldaria: but I am not entirely sure how I would switch to the other language
[12:29] <eldaria> DistroJockey: I think you need to add the language switching applet
[12:30] <eldaria> DistroJockey: to your panel,
[12:31] <DistroJockey> eldaria: and that panel applet is called?
[12:32] <eldaria> DistroJockey: hmmm no clue.
[12:32] <danuel> I was hoping someone would know this.  Does 8.04 have a better way to deal with Broadcom wifi (BCM43xx) than previous version?
[12:36] <DistroJockey> eldaria: sorry, Im out of ideas
[12:36] <krychek> DistroJockey: time still isnt good :(
[12:36] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Same here, I don't know Gnome very well.
[12:36] <DistroJockey> krychek: :(
[12:37] <krychek> still 2 hours less
[12:37] <DistroJockey> krychek: running NPT?
[12:37] <DistroJockey> ntp^
[12:38] <krychek> ntp? whats that? :O
[12:38] <DistroJockey> eldaria: network time protocal
[12:38] <DistroJockey> protocol^
[12:38] <DistroJockey> eldaria: sorry :)
[12:38] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Thanks for trying though, I found a bug report #191212 I added my findings to it, not sure if it is the same but it looks like it could be.
[12:39] <eldaria> DistroJockey: No worries, I know ntp. :-)
[12:39] <krychek> DistroJockey: i dont know..
[12:39] <tj13820> anyone have a fix for getting emerald themes to apply with compiz?
[12:39] <tj13820> i've tried emerald --replace and reinstalling but it won't work
[12:40] <DistroJockey> krychek: tis a shame Hardy's time thingy doest stat UTC anywhere
[12:41] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Look for GMT
[12:41] <krychek> DistroJockey: should i report this as a bug?
[12:41] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Sometime it is called GMT intead of UTC
[12:41] <DistroJockey> eldaria: can you find it?
[12:42] <eldaria> Well in Kubuntu I can pick UTC
[12:42] <DistroJockey> eldaria:  8.04?
[12:42] <tobi> Hi, I have a problem with my german keyboard layout
[12:42] <orvokki> RAOF: So you can probably also answer the question that is there packages for it?
[12:42] <tobi> I can change it in the gnome keyboard config, then it is german
[12:42] <tobi> but after a restart it's the US layout again.
[12:42] <tobi> has anyone her an working miro on 8.4?
[12:43] <eldaria> DistroJockey: Yes
[12:43] <krychek> miro doesnt work for me.. never has
[12:43] <orvokki> RAOF: I might want to test it out at some point.
[12:43] <tj13820> how do i get emerald themes to apply with compiz in Hardy?
[12:43] <DistroJockey> eldaria: gnome issue then I guess
[12:44] <eldaria> what time does it show in console?
[12:44] <DistroJockey> krychek: maybe it's a gnome bug *shrugs*
[12:44] <DistroJockey> eldaria: mine is fine
[12:45] <krychek> DistroJockey: and i think the intuitive behaviour would be that time changes when you set a location as home in the world map
[12:46] <DistroJockey> krychek: I agree, it should
[12:46] <DistroJockey> krychek: I've had issues with time on many distro's
[12:46] <krychek> i report a bug then
[12:46] <penguin42> I thought my Hardy upgrade was the easiest I'd done so far; until it came to recover from hibernate
[12:47] <virtuald> x just crashed
[12:47] <eldaria> krychek: DistroJockey: well, it is not always thtat you want your locale and your time zone to be the same. Perhaps your location is in US, but you want your timezone to be UTC
[12:48] <gluer> anyone know where screenlets are stored?
[12:48] <eldaria> krychek: DistroJockey: For exaple foe time critical systems, were the silly summertime are irrelevant you always want a fixed time (UTC)
[12:48] <DistroJockey> eldaria: yeah, it's tricky
[12:49] <krychek> im still thinking about what the bug summary should be :)
[12:51] <eldaria> krychek: if you open a console, and type 'date' and then 'date -u' is it correct? also try to type 'tzselect'
[12:52] <DistroJockey> krychek: does this link help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/195159
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195159 in ubiquity "The new time zone / city choosing is annoying" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:52] <krychek> date: 2008. márc. 30., vasárnap, 13.50.34 CEST        this is correct
[12:52] <krychek>  
[12:53] <krychek> date -u: 2008. márc. 30., vasárnap, 11.51.15 UTC       this should be 12:51..  right?
[12:54] <eldaria> no UTC right now is Sun Mar 30 11:53:54 UTC 2008
[12:54] <evan_> yahwhoooooo I GOT GLOBAL MENU WORKING!!!
[12:55] <eldaria> krychek: we swithced to Summertime last night, so now we are 2 hours ahead if you are in Europe
[12:55] <krychek> so my clock shows utc time even if i changed it to UTC=no
[12:56] <bbrazil> krychek: that setting is for if your BIOS is in utv
[12:56] <bbrazil> *utc
[12:56] <eldaria> krychek: well your system clock should be set to UTC, and then the system will calculate your local time based on your choice of country and Time zone.
[12:56] <penguin42> someone could do with reopening #196688; it's at fixed-release but GPM is still eating the planets RAM
[12:57] <DistroJockey> eldaria: not if he uses Windows also
[12:57] <eldaria> krychek: Yes that is true if you dual boot with Windows it becomes a mess, since Windows have the habit of chaning your System clock to local time.
[12:57] <krychek> geez :)
[12:58] <krychek> if i set the time 2 hours ahead clock will show it correctly but the world map wont
[12:59] <eldaria> krychek: especially around the shift of Summertime/Wintertime since Linux will think your clock is still set to UTC, and Windows changes it 1 hour ahead or back. However this can bes ovled by installing an NTP client, that will correct your clock.
[12:59] <krychek> ok.. how do i do that?
[12:59] <eldaria> krychek: What so Gnome clock shows you the time in ITC?
[12:59] <eldaria> ^UTC
[13:00] <krychek> ye it shows UTC
[13:00] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, tonight my clock didn't change the time automatically
[13:00] <Zvezdichko> and I had to set it up manually
[13:01] <eldaria> ok, but your date and date -u shows the correct times, so this is for sure a issue with Gnome Locale settings, and an NTP client will not solve it.
[13:15] <jaffarkelshac> in compiz fusion what is the super key
[13:15] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: probably the windows key on your keyboard
[13:16] <jaffarkelshac> indeed it is.
[13:16] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[13:16] <compwiz18> no problem
[13:17] <amikrop> Hello. I use DELL Latitude D800. Does anybody know which method should I use for sound recording (Line-In, Capture, etc.)?
[13:18] <savvas> where are network passwords saved?
[13:21] <krychek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209193 i hope i made myself clear
[13:21] <krychek> donno what the package should be.. please change it if you do
[13:29] <tj13820> how do enable emerald over the default "appearance" in the terminal in Hardy?
[13:31] <dns53> compiz --replace ?
[13:31] <tj13820> won't work
[13:31] <compwiz18> emerald --replace?
[13:34] <jaffarkelshac> is beryl and compiz fusion the same thing?
[13:34] <loa> friends how i can restart networking after resume?
[13:35] <eldaria> loa: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:35] <compwiz18> compiz-fusion is a combined version of beryl and compiz
[13:35] <RainCT> loa: try  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[13:35] <dns53> yes, compiz came first, they forked to create beryl and they have now merged back as compiz fusion
[13:36] <eldaria> RainCT: lol, yes, i forgot sudo. :-)
[13:36] <loa> i mean auto restart =)
[13:37] <loa> I try STOP_SERVICES="networking" in /etc/default/acpi-support
[13:37] <eldaria> loa: hmm not sure how to do it automatically, sorry.
[13:37] <loa> but it not help, after resume my wi-fi interface is down(
[13:39] <Yellabs> whats the newest hardy test release , is that 20 march? beta?
[13:40] <TheInfinity> yes
[13:40] <TheInfinity> beta1
[13:40] <Yellabs> ok
[13:41] <Yellabs> is it a well know fact that this release does not detect nvidia cards , in restricted manager?
[13:42] <dns53> expect things to break in beta software, things like wireless and video drivers come and go and get better closer to release
[13:43] <Yellabs> i dont mind, but just wanted to ake sure its fixed before final
[13:43] <Yellabs>  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
[13:43] <Yellabs> make*
[13:43] <TheInfinity> Yellabs: google around a bit ...
[13:45] <Yellabs> hmm, memory leaks, with nvidia drivers gets mine blacklisted...?
[13:45] <Yellabs> ah, no thats compiz
[13:46] <justin007827> Hi, i'm still messing around with virtual box on H.H. I installed H.H. on the virtual machine for practice. The install went fine, but can't get my network working in VB. does anyone know how to fix this or a document I can read to help?
[13:50] <SWiSH> hi, i'm trying to run pulseaudio with dolby sound. but somehow it does not work. i used this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=714712
[13:50] <SWiSH> when i want to start pulseaudio i get this output: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/143237/ and NO sound works ...hope someone can help me
[13:51] <kane77> Yellabs, not entirelly true it detects mine well
[13:52] <Yellabs> ok, i see
[13:52] <Yellabs> thats good news
[13:52] <Yellabs> :)
[13:52] <Yellabs> whats the card ?
[13:53] <Zvezdichko> blah, aren't they going to fix that nasty konqueror fix
[13:53] <Zvezdichko> bug*
[13:53] <Yellabs> whats your nvidia card type?
[13:59] <Batelje> Hello,how can i mount a HD in Hardy ? in Feisty this was automatic but not now
[14:00] <Lynoure> should be automatic still. Seemed to be for me, but I'm on Kubuntu.
[14:01] <RainCT> it should be in Ubuntu, too
[14:01] <Batelje> I'm on Xubuntu,but on fluxbuntu it was the same
[14:01] <Random> Batelje: check dmesg? maybe theres an error there
[14:01] <tj13820> tim@tim-laptop:~$ compiz --replace
[14:01] <tj13820> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[14:01] <tj13820> No whitelisted driver found
[14:01] <tj13820> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[14:02] <RainCT> Batelje: do you see it in Places -> Computer?
[14:02] <tj13820> that's what i get when trying to use compiz with emerald for emerald themes
[14:02] <Batelje> random , dmesg..typing that in the terminal?
[14:02] <Random> yep
[14:03] <Batelje> rainct : nope, only file system
[14:03] <evan_> hey how can i change the menu icon when i pace a start-here image in the icon dir that i use ( black white 2 style ) it isnt changeing my menu icon
[14:04] <Batelje> random : no errors as far i can see. but i don't think it's a fault. i just need to now how to mount a 2nd HD.
[14:05] <SWiSH> i just figured out, that the speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51 works partly
[14:05] <SWiSH> but pulseaudio does not
[14:06] <evan_> none got a icon solution?
[14:06] <Random> mount -t filesystemname /dev/whateverdevicenameithas /some/empty/directory/to/mount/at
[14:06] <Random> not sure how to debug the automounter though
[14:07] <Random> could try killing it and restarting it
[14:10] <Batelje> random : So what if i want to mount sda in /media/storage , what do i have to type then ? (sorry)
[14:10] <SWiSH> i used this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=714712
[14:10] <Random> mkdir /media/storage; mount -t /dev/sda /media/storage
[14:10] <Random> but
[14:10] <SWiSH> does anybody has an idea?
[14:10] <Random> that wont work, since its sdaX
[14:11] <Random> probably sda1
[14:11] <Random> if its the first partition
[14:11] <Random> dmesg | grep sda
[14:11] <Random> should show you which ones exist
[14:11] <Random> ooops
[14:11] <Random> lol
[14:12] <Random> what type of filesystem is it?
[14:12] <Random> so for ext3
[14:12] <Batelje> Ext3 (if that is wat you mean ? man i really need to learn that thing)
[14:12] <Random> mkdir /media/storage; mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /media/storage
[14:13] <teprrr> it's better use uuid and add a line to fstab, if you use regularly that device
[14:13] <tj13820> i cannot replace metacity with compiz/emerald? compiz effects work, but emerald doesn't
[14:13] <Random> its better if you figure out why the automounter doesn't work :p
[14:14] <Batelje> random : thank you i can reach the HD now
[14:14] <Batelje> yeah it's strange..but i can copy my files now ;)
[14:14] <Batelje> thank you very much!
[14:14] <Random> np
[14:15] <Batelje> nice day further
[14:26] <andi5> hi... yesterday i updated my heron the first time this month and it appears that nearly all my ram is in active use... surely, i do not know whether this is due to the update (i shut it down), but i wonder why `free` lists 90% of ram in the -/+ line, but using ps, htop or top the resident values simply do not add up to that much (indeed, it should be much lower)..... thanks for any hint or redirection!
[14:35] <Enselic> If you go to this page with FF3 and scroll around, do you also get severe drawing artifacts? It seems as if the background is not drawn at all
[14:35] <Enselic> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
[14:36] <andi5> Enselic: nope, not at all
[14:37] <savvas> um.. when gpg keys expire, they are automatically removed from the public lists, right?
[14:38] <andi5> savvas: do you mean public gpg key servers or something ubuntu specific?  i think the primer ones just keep the keys
[14:39] <savvas> andi5: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xC812FBAA897530C8
[14:39] <savvas> I'm looking for a way to remove it from ubuntu's keyserver
[14:40] <andi5> why that?
[14:40] <savvas> Because I uploaded a new one
[14:40] <savvas> changed my name etc :)
[14:40] <Hobbsee> i don't think you can.
[14:40] <andi5> you cannot control information once you have given it away
[14:40] <savvas> Hobbsee: so even if it expires, it will stay there?
[14:40] <Enselic> andi5: hmm, weird, do you have an up to date 8.04?
[14:41] <andi5> Enselic: up to yesterday
[14:41] <Hobbsee> savvas: yes, but be markeda s expired
[14:42] <savvas> Hobbsee: do i have to do anything for that? I deactivated it from launchpad, if that matters
[14:44] <Luckrider> Hi, I am having trouble with emerald/fusion. I can't get fusion to use the emerald themes with Hardy heron. Does anyone have any ideas.
[14:45] <Luckrider> Any help is sppreciated
[14:45] <Luckrider> #appreciated
[14:47] <RainCT> Luckrider: install emerald? ^^
[14:48] <Luckrider> I have installed emerald
[14:48] <Luckrider> I also created a theme
[14:48] <Luckrider> I can't use it though
[14:48] <RainCT> Luckrider: how are you configuring it to use your theme?
[14:49] <Luckrider> through emerald theme manger
[14:49] <Luckrider> sorry got to go
[14:49] <Luckrider> but thanks for taking the time to try
[14:52] <gilster32> i was wandering if people are experiencing issues with network manager? My wireless gets disconnected randomly...
[14:56] <egonw> hi all, Java in Firefox-2 does not seem to work anymore...
[14:57] <egonw> did some googling, but can only find that it does not work in FF-3
[14:57] <gilster32> terminhell:should i not have roaming ON
[14:57] <egonw> about:plugins does not list the java plugin
[14:57] <bjorne^> egonw, when didyou last update the system?
[14:57] <egonw> some minutes ago
[14:57] <bjorne^> I had the same problem just a few packages ago, but after an update it was fine
[14:57] <egonw> which package version made it work again?
[14:58] <egonw> then I can check which version I got...
[14:58] <egonw> maybe a mirror not updated yet or so...
[14:58] <bjorne^> not sure of the version number, can check what im running now
[14:58] <hackeron> hey, can someone recommend a cheap sound card with 2 stereo inputs supported on linux? (by 2 stereo inputs I mean where I would be able to record both simultaneously, not one at a time)
[15:01] <bjorne^> egonw, atm im running 6-05-0ubuntu1 for the java6, sun's packages. 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0 for firefox
[15:01] <egonw> what about firefox-2 ?
[15:02] <egonw> because it's broken in that version of FF
[15:02] <egonw> for me, that is
[15:02] <bjorne^> ok, don't even have ff-2 installed :P
[15:02] <bjorne^> could install it just to check, one moment
[15:03] <egonw> ok, thanx for checking
[15:04] <egonw> bjorne^: OK... might have found a solution...
[15:04] <bjorne^> Yep, ff-2 find the java plugins too
[15:05] <egonw> oh... :(
[15:05] <egonw> mmm...
[15:05] <egonw> well, my update-alternative was set to the gcjwebplugin.so
[15:05] <egonw> when changing that to the java-6-sun/jre/plugin one it seems to work again
[15:06] <egonw> but, my /usr/lib/firefox/plugins did not have a symlink to the alternative either...
[15:06] <egonw> manually added that just now...
[15:07] <bjorne^> ah ok, I'll check my systems links, one moent.. but you should use the libjavaplugin_oji.so if your using Sun's java packages
[15:08] <ShackJack> HI all - bit of a weird upgrade issue. I did a quasi-fresh install of Hardy Heron (format of root - retain /home dir) which fixed some dist-upgrade issues I was having. However, my "Buddy List" window does not show on my desktop when I have desktop effects on.
[15:09] <ShackJack> I previously had some rules set for in in the rules plugin to show on all worksspaces, but I took those all out and even turned off that plugin... Any suggestions?
[15:09] <egonw> bjorne^: No alternatives for libjavaplugin_oji.so.
[15:14] <ShackJack> The task switcher shows my Buddy list as an invisible window and the thumbnail preview is a blank rectangle (albeit of the right dimensions)
[15:15] <egonw> bjorne^: ok, thanx for your input... it's working for me again... the FF2 and FF3 along side has been a pain... but need FF2 for several plugins... but got java working again, so happy now :)
[15:16] <Lupe6> hi
[15:21] <Enselic> Can someone with a screen resolution width of at least 1280 px please see if this page renders correctly? (scroll around in it) http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
[15:21] <Enselic> in Firefox 3.0 b4
[15:21] <david> I don't quite understand what evolution-data-server-2.22 is doing
[15:21] <david> apparently it hogs a *lot* of cpu
[15:22] <ShackJack> Enselic: looks O.k. to me - pretty basic page..
[15:22] <Enselic> ShackJack: what screen resolution do you have?
[15:22] <ShackJack> 1650x1080 (or something)
[15:22] <Enselic> hmm maybe it's a intel driver issue then..
[15:22] <ShackJack> It scales down to sub 1280 w/o scrollbars though
[15:23] <zoli21> david: the same problem here. I just solved it by killall evolution-data-server :(
[15:23] <ShackJack> Heck is scales down to 800 width withouh scrollbars... If that page is messed up, I imagine they all are :)
[15:23] <david> zoli21: I'm keen to see wtf it's doing
[15:24] <Enselic> ShackJack: hmm interesting, if I resize the ff window to a smaller size, it renders correctly
[15:24] <ShackJack> Are the letters really big or what - what is not "rendering correctly"?
[15:24] <Enselic> ShackJack: the background doesn't render at all
[15:25] <ShackJack> Like it's transparent or something? Do you have desktop effects on?
[15:25] <Enselic> it's like the background areas aren't redrawn
[15:25] <david> I don't see evolution-server doing anything but stuck up on cpu
[15:27] <Enselic> ShackJack: hang on I'll give you a screencast of it
[15:27] <Luckrider> so, does anyone have any ideas on how to use emerald themes with compiz fusion. (BTW, I have emerld, themes, and fusion works).
[15:27] <Enselic> it's really weird
[15:27] <Luckrider> Any help is appreciated
[15:28] <ShackJack> Enselic: You have desktp effects running?
[15:28] <W8TAH> hi folks -- i have a broadcom bcm43xx card in my laptop -- im seeming to have issues getting it running
[15:28] <W8TAH> on hardy
[15:29] <Enselic> ShackJack: nope
[15:29] <RainCT> Luckrider: so any theme works, or just yours?
[15:29] <Luckrider> have you tried enableing restricted driver
[15:29] <orvokki> Might rather want to tell the chipset when talking about Broadcom wireless.
[15:29] <RainCT> *yours doesn't
[15:29] <Luckrider> RainCT, none of theme work
[15:29] <W8TAH> Luckrider, as far as i know, yes
[15:30] <orvokki> b43 works for some Broadcom cards just perfect but not all.
[15:30] <RainCT> Luckrider: weird.. just to be sure, have you started emerald? :P
[15:30] <W8TAH> 03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[15:30] <Luckrider> i am not sure
[15:30] <Luckrider> how do I do that
[15:30] <Enselic> ShackJack: http://www.chromecode.com/temp/out.ogv
[15:30] <RainCT> Luckrider: try running  emerald --replace  in a terminal
[15:30] <Enselic> ShackJack: it's 40 meg
[15:30] <david> what does one use emerald for anyway btw?
[15:30] <Luckrider> ok
[15:31] <david> i haven't seen any usefulness et, so I'm just curious
[15:31] <W8TAH> ok -  -its asking for a restart
[15:31] <W8TAH> bbias
[15:31] <Luckrider> hey, that worked, thanks
[15:31] <RainCT> Luckrider: great :)
[15:32] <Luckrider> thanks very much
[15:32] <Luckrider> so... for your problem
[15:32] <RainCT> Luckrider: I'm not sure if it will remember that you want emerald if you restart the session, but if it doesn't choosing it in fusion-icon should make the change permanent
[15:32] <RainCT> Luckrider: no problem :)
[15:32] <ShackJack> Enselic: I'm not downloading that - what the heck is ogv - what's wrong with a screenshot?
[15:32] <Luckrider> ok
[15:33] <Enselic> ShackJack: Ogg Video
[15:33] <ShackJack> Ahhh... sorry I though it was .ogg :)
[15:33] <Enselic> ShackJack: because of size or of file format?
[15:34] <ShackJack> Well, both - I would think a SS would suffice - but curiousty got the better of me... I'm running Linux anyway - no virus worries :)
[15:34] <Enselic> ShackJack: well it's a 1440x900 1 minutes video
[15:34] <Enselic> ShackJack: I could transcode if you wish..
[15:34] <ShackJack> Z... still downloading...
[15:35] <orvokki> Heh, takes about one minute to download. ^^
[15:35] <Silvercircle> if i make a dist-upgrade from gutsy to hardy, which packages will be installed  ? for example gnome-games is not installed on gutsy is it installed on hardy after the dist-upgrade ?
[15:36] <W8TAH> ok - assuming the broadcom driver doesnt work, what next?
[15:36] <RainCT> Silvercircle: probably all those listed in ubuntu-desktop and their dependencies
[15:36] <orvokki> Enselic: Yeah. Took about exactly one minute to download.
[15:37] <Enselic> orvokki: can you reproduce the problem? ( http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html )
[15:37] <Silvercircle> mh can i configure the update that it would only upgrade the installed packages ?
[15:37] <RainCT> Silvercircle: *listed in ubuntu-desktop => packages which ubuntu-desktop depends upon or recommends
[15:37] <orvokki> Hmm, does Hardy still use the silly brcm43xx driver or is it now b43?
[15:37] <Enselic> ShackJack: how's it going?
[15:38] <ShackJack> Look like a weird video driver issue - never seen anything like that what driver are you using?
[15:38] <Enselic> ShackJack: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[15:38] <RainCT> Silvercircle: uhm.. you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to hardy instead of gutsy and then just do 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade; sudo aptitude full-upgrade' in a terminal, but this is not recommended and might cause you some problem
[15:38] <Silvercircle> mh
[15:38] <Enselic> ShackJack: ok well I should probably report this to intel then, that's what I wanted to find out
[15:38] <orvokki> RainCT: That's not the best idea, really.
[15:39] <RainCT> Silvercircle: (as update-manager might do some other stuff, like creating new groups which are necessary for system administration, etc.)
[15:39] <ShackJack> Not definative - it *could* be FF... maybe try another browser - like Ephinany or Opera...
[15:39] <orvokki> Oops, sorry. Missed the ending of your message.
[15:40] <Enselic> ShackJack: how could it be FF? I doubt FF has intel X driver specific code
[15:40] <ShackJack> No - but it has it's own rendering stuff...
[15:40] <RainCT> orvokki: heh, np :)
[15:40] <orvokki> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades That's the recommended way to do it, me thinks.
[15:40] <ShackJack> Which may be conflicting with Intel
[15:40] <RainCT> does do-release-upgrade the same as update-manager?
[15:41] <RainCT> s/the/do the/
[15:41] <orvokki> RainCT: It upgrades to the latest release anyway which would be Hardy beta.
[15:41] <Silvercircle> the problem is that i have installed only the minimal version of gutsy... so i think its the best to install the minimal version of hardy
[15:41] <ShackJack> Enselic: P.S. maybe try turning off "smooth scrolling" in FF if you have it on?
[15:42] <orvokki> RainCT: I'm unsure what update-manager upgrades to.
[15:43] <tapas> here i sit wanting to watch some movie and kaffeine repeatidly tries to install some codec, then says it's already installed
[15:43] <tapas> and then tries again
[15:43] <tapas> ad nauseum
[15:43] <RainCT> orvokki: man update-manager explains the steeps it does when upgrading (or at least some of them)
[15:44] <david> tapas: try mplayer? :P
[15:44] <david> or smplayer for the graphical one
[15:44] <tapas> david: mplayer is ok, too.. bu i like kaffeine for it's nice playlist support
[15:44] <orvokki> RainCT: Hmm, I rather meant: does it upgrade to the newest packages available or to the newest freeze point.
[15:44] <tapas> and its ability tosometimes play stuff better than mplayer [though sometimes it';s also vice versa]
[15:44] <Enselic> ShackJack: nope
[15:45] <tapas> interesting it always plays the first movie fine
[15:45] <RainCT> orvokki: newest packages available
[15:45] <ShackJack> Enselic: I'd say try another browser and see what happens... doesn't happen on any other apps?
[15:45] <yannick_1m> hi there. I got a question concerning net-install. At the step "choose packages", I chose (no server, no gnome desktop, nothing), though I had openoffice, mozilla and gimp-language-help setup
[15:45] <tapas> then does its codec thing ;)
[15:45] <yannick_1m> Any idea where I could file a bug report ?
[15:45] <orvokki> RainCT: Right. Then it upgrades to a newer one than the other alternative.
[15:46] <orvokki> The method suggested on the HardyUpgrades page only upgrades as far as the freeze point, not to the newest packages.
[15:47] <Enselic> ShackJack: doesn't ephiphany come with 8.04 ? :(
[15:47] <RainCT> orvokki: uh.. and how would it do that? mirrors only have the latest version of a package for each release
[15:47] <ShackJack> Enselic: no
[15:47] <tapas> ah and it worked perfectly fine before the last apt-get upgrade i did this morning ;)
[15:47] <david> haha no ;)
[15:48] <ShackJack> Enselic: If you can - enable desktop effects and see if it happens to...
[15:48] <orvokki> RainCT: I'm actually a bit unsure. *shrug* Maybe it's just coincidence that I got plenty of more stuff to upgrade after running apt-get update immediately after release-upgrade.
[15:48] <orvokki> RainCT: Release-upgrade is probably the same as update-manager -d.
[15:48] <tapas> and key repetition is somehow turned off, too
[15:48] <tapas> weird
[15:48] <orvokki> In this case.
[15:49] <Enselic> ShackJack: yep it does occur with effects too
[15:49] <ShackJack> Hmmpf... that is weird - and only with Firefox?
[15:49] <kuil> hi.. anybody here using kubuntu with compiz effects?
[15:50] <RainCT> orvokki: might be (that it was coincidence).. :). I installed all updated just 2 days ago and now I've already 129 new ones waiting :P
[15:50] <kuil> i noticed that when I start a new window (ie alt+f2 for run) it doesn't appear on top of my current active window
[15:50] <Luckrider> does anyone know the terminal command something like replace --emerald to change over to emerald themes
[15:50] <kuil> is there some setting I need to do?
[15:50] <RainCT> Luckrider: emerald --replace
[15:50] <Enselic> ShackJack: havn't tried yet :/
[15:50] <tapas> ah ok
[15:50] <Luckrider> thanks
[15:50] <tapas> removing .xine fixed it
[15:50] <Luckrider> agian Rain
[15:51] <RainCT> :)
[15:51] <Luckrider> I had to restart my comp and it didn;t come up
[15:51] <tapas> erm, rejoiced too early.. ok, i'll file a bug report
[15:51] <ShackJack> Enselic: Yah I cna't say definately - hope you figure it out - gotta go...
[15:51] <Luckrider> thanks restarting made it work, the first time I did it the tool bar whent away completely for all windows that I opened
[15:51] <jast-mxm> so once vmware server is running and you have an instance created how do you connect to it?
[15:52] <tapas> my whole keyboard is screwed ok..
[15:52] <Luckrider> so again thanks RainCT
[15:52] <tapas> ugh
[15:54] <bogus> I'm trying hardy beta but my wifi is not working very well because the driver b43 limits the maximun tx-power to 27. In gutsy I was using ndiswraper and the tx-power would go to 32 (and than my wifi would work properly trought my thick walls). Any one knows why the b43 driver has this limit?
[15:58] <unocrash> hello?
[16:13] <wolf4914> can someone paste the entry for grub for 8.04 please?
[16:14] <jast-mxm> grub isn't working properly i take it?
[16:15] <wolf4914> well I use grub that sits on a separate partiton and did not install ubuntu's grub
[16:16] <wolf4914> I set it up based on /boot info but still no go
[16:16] <wolf4914> I may have missed something
[16:16] <jast-mxm> kk lemme pull it up
[16:16] <wolf4914> thanks
[16:16] <jast-mxm> no worries
[16:17] <jast-mxm> http://pastebin.com/m391c2a01
[16:18] <jast-mxm> those are my entries for 8.04
[16:18] <wolf4914> ok
[16:18] <jast-mxm> the UUIDs won't do you wany good though
[16:19] <jast-mxm> lemme know if that helps
[16:22] <wolf4914> well I edited couple of things - need to reboot to find out
[16:22] <wolf4914> brb
[16:29] <hyper_ch> hiho, my kontact keeps crashing now just after startup... is there a bug?
[16:29] <crimsun> ok, xmonad 0.7 and xmonad-contrib 0.7 packaged for Ubuntu
[16:29] <jast-mxm> do you get the message right when you goto login?
[16:36] <W8TAH> is it possible to download compiz themes
[16:36] <W8TAH> and also -- is it posible to set inactive windows to be semi-transparent?
[16:39] <sourcemaker> how can I mount an encrypted file sytem?
[16:39] <coz_> where is the xcreensaver executalbe located on hardy apparenlty it is no longer in /usr/bin
[16:40] <hyper_ch> sourcemaker: what kind of encrpyted system?
[16:40] <sourcemaker> hyper_ch: cryptoLUKS
[16:40] <hyper_ch> sourcemaker: root partition or some other one?
[16:40] <sourcemaker> other root for backup data
[16:40] <hyper_ch> so, just a normal partition
[16:41] <sourcemaker> I will rsync my fresh install to my other encrypted fs...
[16:41] <sourcemaker> both are encfs with cryptoLUKS
[16:42] <hyper_ch> look at step6:   http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=EncryptedDeviceUsingLUKS
[16:44] <sourcemaker> hyper_ch: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[16:44] <hyper_ch> I don't use lvm, don't see any good in it... so you have to figure out your own
[16:45] <virtuald> give me a dollar sign so i can paste it, my dead keys don't work :)
[16:45] <Finnish> My Bluetooth-dongle is (by lsusb) Cambridge Silicon Radio (HCI mode)
[16:45] <sourcemaker> hyper_ch: it's the hardy default install
[16:45] <sourcemaker> hyper_ch: :-)
[16:45] <Finnish> It worked fine in my another PC, running Gutsy
[16:45] <Finnish> In Hardy it is not working
[16:45] <Finnish> Any ideas?
[16:45] <hyper_ch> hardy does not lvm by default
[16:46] <hyper_ch> well, encrypted file systems are not set by default ;)
[16:46] <axisys> any package expert here?
[16:46] <axisys> i am trying to remove icedtea-java7-plugin for two days
[16:46] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/BmzVGh44.html
[16:46] <axisys> how do I manually fix it?
[16:46] <virtuald> nvm man ascii saved me
[16:47] <hyper_ch> axisys: try:  apt-get purge icedtea-java7-plugin
[16:48] <virtuald> shouldn't core files be dumped in the working directory? they seem to be turned off, where do i turn them on?
[16:48] <axisys> hyper_ch: did not help
[16:48] <axisys> hyper_ch: http://rafb.net/p/g7TkNM53.html
[16:48] <hyper_ch> no clue
[16:49] <virtuald> ok, they're sent to apport directly
[16:49] <axisys> any package expert here?
[16:49] <vorian> might be worth giving synaptic a tryr axisys
[16:49] <vorian> try even
[16:49] <justin007827> ugh
[16:50] <justin007827> getting the network to work in virtual box is hard
[16:50] <hyper_ch> use vmware
[16:50] <justin007827> it won't compile
[16:50] <justin007827> on hardy
[16:50] <hyper_ch> error?
[16:51] <justin007827> let me try it again
[16:51] <justin007827> i tried a few hours ago
[16:51] <justin007827> does the network work better in vmware?
[16:52] <hyper_ch> justin007827: I think... never got smb working with winxp as guest on vbox
[16:52] <axisys> vorian: synaptics gives an error too
[16:52] <hyper_ch> justin007827: however vbox is lighter on resources
[16:52] <hyper_ch> justin007827: also couldn't login through ssh with vbox
[16:52] <axisys> vorian: E: icedtea-java7-plugin: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[16:52] <justin007827> hyper_ch: i'm just trying to just learn how to build a vm
[16:53] <justin007827> hyper_ch: I have hardy running, but the network is broken. I enabled ip forwarding and wrote the script for wireless network
[16:54] <justin007827> also changed my dns to what my network uses
[16:54] <hyper_ch> use bridges in vmware and it just works out of the box
[16:54] <justin007827> hyper_ch
[16:54] <justin007827> oops
[16:54] <justin007827> hyper_ch: i'll give vmware a shot
[16:55] <White_Magic> Does anyone know how to get rid of the listings under the Wine-> thing?
[16:55] <justin007827> hyper_ch: I'm connected via wirless lan, does that make a difference?
[16:55] <hyper_ch> justin007827: good luck
[16:56] <White_Magic> Because i deleted the .wine and all the listings are still there
[16:56] <hyper_ch> justin007827: not really
[16:56] <sourcemaker> how can I mount a LUKS encrypted filesystem in hardy? I receive the following message: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[16:56] <White_Magic> even tho i removed them
[16:56] <White_Magic> like the shortcuts?
[16:56] <justin007827> hyper_ch: ok, thanks bbl
[16:57] <justin007827> one more question:
[16:57] <justin007827> should I use the player, or the server?
[17:02] <vorian> axisys: try sudo `dpkg --configure -a'
[17:03] <axisys> vorian: just did not.. came back with no error.. should I try to remove again?
[17:03] <vorian> what do you mean?
[17:04] <axisys> vorian: I just ran that sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:04] <vorian> did it do anything?
[17:05] <axisys> vorian: it gave my prompt back right away
[17:05] <axisys> (iqbala)@ghar:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:05] <axisys> (iqbala)@ghar:~$
[17:05] <axisys> just like that
[17:05] <axisys> (pasted it here because inly two lines)
[17:05] <vorian> :)
[17:05] <vorian> try and purge again then
[17:06] <vorian> if fail, try sudo apt-get -f install, then remove
[17:06] <axisys> http://rafb.net/p/YwdzrS91.html
[17:06] <axisys> ok
[17:07] <axisys> vorian: -f install failed too
[17:07] <axisys> vorian: http://rafb.net/p/Asf6rS32.html
[17:09] <axisys> vorian: worked now.. i touched the /etc/alternative/firefox-.. file
[17:09] <axisys> to fake it
[17:09] <axisys> haha
[17:09] <vorian> good good
[17:09] <axisys> vorian: gone.. eehaa!
[17:09] <vorian> congrats :)
[17:09] <axisys> vorian: thank you man!
[17:09] <vorian> heh, you did it
[17:09] <axisys> vorian: we
[17:10] <axisys> vorian: :-)
[17:10] <vorian> :)
[17:11] <pyalot> howdy, I noticed that pulse sound server is the default sound system for hardy, correct?
[17:11] <Rukus> hi i cannot get my wireless to work in hardy beta. i tried proprietary first from hardware drivers manager, no go. then i tried ndiswrapper, no go. now i was told to do a full complete update. so i did. then i tried from hardware drivers manager again. and there is nothing listed in there for me to even checkmark at all! it was even weird before, as my video card has never shown up in there. . the only way i get my wireless light to go
[17:11] <Rukus>  on is if i modprobe b43 and other than that i have no idea.
[17:11] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. remember the old "grey java app windows under compiz" bug,, how do you solve that bug again?
[17:11] <Itaku> how can i switch from GNOME to KDE/
[17:11] <Itaku> how can i switch from GNOME to KDE?
[17:12] <zniavre> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:12] <pyalot> I find it a bit problematic that pulse is used, since about none of the popular audio utilities (snd, audacity, etc.) seem to be able to work with it.
[17:13] <pyalot> for instance from the pulse trac qft: "Audacity doesn't support PulseAudio, nor Esound for the moment. You'll have to kill pulseaudio before you use this application."
[17:13] <White_Magic> Main-Menu Keeps crashing
[17:13] <White_Magic> when i try and edit it :/
[17:14] <crimsun> pyalot: that's a non-issue.  Use `pasuspender -- audacity'
[17:15] <pyalot> crimsun, thx
[17:15] <Yaroze> crimsun: any major updates to pulseaudio recently?
[17:16] <crimsun> Yaroze: well, 0.9.10 is out, but it mainly fixes things we've already patched locally.  So, no.
[17:16] <crimsun> Yaroze: That's in reference to the stable series.  In development, there's a lot of heavy lifting occurring.
[17:16] <pyalot> one other thing I noticed, there's no user-friendly way to manage multiple screens with an nvidia card...
[17:16] <Rukus> ok but seriously. i dont get any options to click in my Hardware Drivers Manager
[17:16] <justin007827> hyper_ch: Hi, it compiled the kernel modules fine this time. I think I was using the x86 tar instead of the amd64 one last time. But it asks if I want to use NAT?
[17:16] <Rukus> is this normal?
[17:17] <Yaroze> crimsun: last time i tried pulseaudio i didnt get any sound output at all so i removed it completly :)
[17:17] <justin007827> i'm not sure if I need to, I already bridged the connection
[17:17] <Rukus> crimsun: you are the person i think i need lol
[17:17] <crimsun> Yaroze: for an ice17xx-based audio card?
[17:17] <hyper_ch> justin007827: use nat (I think)
[17:17] <Yaroze> crimsun: emu10k
[17:17] <crimsun> Yaroze: which emu10k?
[17:17] <justin007827> hyper_ch: ok, will try. thank you
[17:17] <Yaroze> crimsun: audigy zs
[17:18] <crimsun> Yaroze: well, that should have multiopen natively, so you wouldn't need PA, really.
[17:18] <pyalot> I mean, sure I could go to xorg.conf and edit-in twin-view options, but this was working on gutsy fine...
[17:18] <Yaroze> crimsun: multiopen?
[17:19] <crimsun> Yaroze: hardware multiopen, often incorrectly called "hardware mixing" [which is something entirely different in the pro audio realm]
[17:19] <Rukus> crimsun: why would my "hardware drivers manager" not list any hardware?
[17:19] <Rukus> jockey
[17:19] <Yaroze> crimsun: haha ofc i have hwmixing thats why i have this card.. no audio problems :D
[17:20] <crimsun> Yaroze: you actually don't have hardware mixing
[17:20] <spiderfire> hello
[17:20] <Yaroze> crimsun: im fine in my illusion here :D
[17:20] <Itaku> after sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop do i need to reboot?
[17:21] <spiderfire> anyone know if you can register more then one email at gmail?
[17:21] <crimsun> spiderfire: certainly you can
[17:21] <spiderfire> tried
[17:21] <nikrud> spiderfire simply invite yourself
[17:21] <bazhang> Itaku: to get into kubuntu? no just log out and log in again
[17:21] <crimsun> Rukus: that's a bit lacking in detail
[17:21] <Rukus> what do you need to know?
[17:22] <crimsun> Rukus: do you expect to need hardware drivers for proprietary/restricted hardware?
[17:22] <spiderfire> ok thanks
[17:22] <crimsun> Rukus: (it doesn't make any sense to list any drivers for non-proprietary/restricted)
[17:22] <Rukus> crimsun: i thought there was a checkbox to mark if i were interested in enabling my wireless card from within jockey. but there is not
[17:23] <crimsun> Rukus: well, is your wifi chipset one that requires a restricted/nonfree driver?
[17:23] <Rukus> its a bcm4318
[17:23] <crimsun> Rukus: is it already online?
[17:24] <Rukus> what do  you mean?
[17:24] <crimsun> Rukus: meaning: are you already using it
[17:24] <Rukus> i cannot use my wireless if that helps.
[17:24] <crimsun> Rukus: ok, and which ssid is it?
[17:24] <Rukus> i got the light to go on wireless button by enabling b43 with modprobe b43 but i cannot iwlist scan for any networks
[17:25] <Rukus> ssid?
[17:25] <justin007827> hyper_ch: it compiled fine, but says "bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 failed". is something to worry about?
[17:25] <crimsun> Rukus: `lspci -nv|grep -A1 14e4'
[17:26] <Itaku> uh i see no difference with kubuntu and ubuntu
[17:26] <Rukus> 03:02.0 0280: 14e4:4318 (rev 02)
[17:26] <Rukus> 	Subsystem: 103c:1355
[17:26] <Itaku> is this a bug?
[17:26] <Rukus> Itaku you need to select your session
[17:26] <Rukus> then login
[17:27] <Itaku> i rebooted
[17:27] <Itaku> and when it started
[17:27] <Itaku> it showed a blue kubuntu
[17:27] <Rukus> you should get your gdm manager first. thats your login screen
[17:27] <Rukus> or kdm
[17:27] <Rukus> then theres an area you click... looks like a white box
[17:27] <Rukus> select your session
[17:27] <Rukus> then login
[17:27] <Itaku> when i did apt-get install on kubuntu it asked if i wanted to install kdm or gdm
[17:28] <Itaku> i selected kdm
[17:28] <Rukus> thas your login screen style
[17:28] <Itaku> is the login window the only difference
[17:28] <Itaku> cuz thats the only difference i see
[17:28] <Rukus> no
[17:28] <Itaku> other then startup
[17:28] <crimsun> Rukus: that should be fixed in jockey, but I don't have a bzr branch of it locally
[17:28] <Rukus> listen to what i am telling you
[17:28] <crimsun> Rukus: you could check LP
[17:28] <Rukus> LP ?
[17:28] <Itaku> uh i dont see a white box
[17:29] <Rukus> are you logged out?
[17:29] <Itaku> no
[17:29] <Itaku> sec
[17:29] <Rukus> thats why
[17:29] <crimsun> Rukus: otherwise, I do know that rev02 is broken in the current released kernel; it was fixed last week in ubuntu-hardy.git; you'll see it [fixed] in the next kernel
[17:29] <Rukus> whats current kernel?
[17:30] <Itaku> i like kde
[17:30] <Rukus> lol
[17:30] <Rukus> happy noe
[17:30] <NET||abuse> hmm, ok, Zend studio loads up with a java run time supplied in /usr/local/Zend/ZDE/jre/bin/java  which when i run with -version informs me that it is versin 1.5.0_06 ,, so with compiz running a it is by defaut under Hardy, i'm getting this grey'd out windows with java apps bugs..
[17:30] <Rukus> now ?
[17:30] <Rukus> crimsun: n/m i am sure i am fully updated and upgraded
[17:30] <Rukus> maybe its just not ready to work
[17:31] <Itaku> uh not quite happy
[17:31] <Itaku> wheres remote desktop?
[17:31] <Rukus> its just a desktop, not a restyling of your whole computer
[17:32] <crimsun> Rukus: 2.6.24-12.22 is the current released one.  The one in git is newer and contains a fix for rev02.
[17:32] <Rukus> i have that version
[17:32] <Rukus> what is "git" ?
[17:32] <crimsun> Rukus: the fixed one should be uploaded sometime in the next few days.
[17:32] <Rukus> oh ok
[17:32] <Itaku> i cant find remote desktop
[17:32] <Popoi> =O
[17:33] <Rukus> thanks crimsun you area great help. I'm not fully versed on ubuntu or linux for that matter, but i cant get things done. sometimes i just need a little coaching haha
[17:33] <Rukus> thanks man
[17:33] <Itaku> finally found terminal
[17:33] <Rukus> konsole
[17:33] <Itaku> nope cant find konsole
[17:34] <Rukus> oh my god.
[17:34] <Rukus> i think my wireless works
[17:34] <Itaku> wheres konsole?
[17:34] <Rukus> one sec
[17:34] <Rukus> i think i did it
[17:35] <Rukus> i did
[17:35] <Itaku> wheres konsole?
[17:36] <snowolf> Itaku: tried with alt+f2 konsole
[17:36] <snowolf> ?
[17:37] <Itaku> and wheres remote desktop?
[17:38] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest RC disk and it hangs. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it will go no further. Any suggestions?
[17:38] <Itaku> wheres remote desktop?
[17:38] <Itaku> wheres remote desktop???????????????????????????????????????????????
[17:39] <Itaku> WHERES REMOTE DESKTOP???????????????
[17:39] <stefg> !patience | itaku
[17:39] <ubotu> itaku: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:39] <Itaku> ...
[17:39] <bazhang> itaku did you have a question?
[17:39] <Itaku> no its called people ignoring me
[17:40] <bazhang> ah okay then never mind
[17:40] <Itaku> ive been asking it the past 5 minutes are you blind
[17:40] <Itaku> wheres remote desktop?
[17:40] <cM0ss> heh....very impatient.
[17:41] <Itaku> ...
[17:41] <Itaku> wow
[17:41] <Itaku> he was asking what my question was
[17:41] <Itaku> you must be blind
[17:41] <stefg> Itaku: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html might help you getting answers
[17:41] <cM0ss> I've been watching.
[17:42] <Itaku> dude your all doing nothing and ignoring me
[17:42] <Itaku> that isnt unpaitent thats you guys being rude
[17:42] <cM0ss> Forgive us your majesty.
[17:42] <stefg> Itaku: yes.... because your attitude scares peaple off to talk to you...
[17:42] <bazhang> itaku your not helping your case here
[17:43] <Itaku> im just asking one simple question
[17:43] <Itaku> and its taking you guys 10 minutes to answer cuz you guys are so rude
[17:43] <bazhang> !attitude | itaku
[17:43] <ubotu> itaku: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:43] <Itaku> ...
[17:43] <Itaku> are you blind
[17:43] <stefg> Itaku: we are not here to serve you....
[17:44] <Itaku> just answer my question
[17:44] <stefg> no!
[17:44] <Itaku> stfu
[17:44] <Itaku> im not asking you
[17:44] <Lynoure> !stfu
[17:44] <ubotu> Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[17:44] <bazhang> no ops looking in?
[17:44]  * stefg finds that amusing :-)
[17:44] <Lynoure> Itaku: if you want help, please behave.
[17:45] <Itaku> ive been asking for 10 freaking minutes
[17:45] <Itaku> ...
[17:45] <Itaku> ive been asking for 10 minute
[17:45] <Itaku> s
[17:45] <LjL> !patience
[17:45] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:45] <NET||abuse> whatwow, that's weird, having to install nmap and traceroute,,, is at least the latter not a default? weird?
[17:45] <Lynoure> Itaku: some questions never get answers
[17:45] <Itaku> well i need an answer on this one
[17:46] <Itaku> its urgent
[17:46] <Lynoure> Itaku: by "where is remote desktop?" Do you mean in what repository, where in the menus, or something else?
[17:46] <Itaku> kubuntu...
[17:46] <Itaku> menus...
[17:46] <bazhang> Itaku:  apt-cache search remote
[17:46] <Itaku> its already installed with ubuntu
[17:47] <Lynoure> Itaku: it's called krfb  (server) or krdc (client)
[17:47] <bazhang> hmm no idea then never use it
[17:47] <Lynoure> Itaku: normally under Internet section
[17:47] <Lynoure> I hope that helped.
[17:48] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest RC disk and it hangs. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it will go no further. Any suggestions?
[17:48] <Itaku> oh i was looking for vino
[17:48] <bazhang> wow alt f2 krdc works! thanks Lynoure!
[17:48] <Lynoure> bazhang: :)
[17:48] <Finnish> Can someone help me with RaLink RT2500-based WLAN-card in my laptop
[17:48] <Finnish> ?
[17:48] <Lynoure> Itaku: I don't know anything about vino, I don't use gnome stuff much.
[17:52] <savvas> can someone test this and tell me: 1) if you have 64-bit or 32-bit ubuntu 2) do you see a login prompt when you do: nautilus ftp://dasher.sh3lls.net
[17:52] <jimmygoon> Ubuntu still crashes everytime X shuts down. (Log out, shutdown, restart, suspend, etc)
[17:53] <rom> hi
[17:53] <jimmygoon> savvas, "Couldn't display "ftp://dasher.sh3lls.net" Error: Invalid reply  Please select another viewer and try again
[17:53] <savvas> jimmygoon: without asking you to login?
[17:53] <rom> it seems to have a bug in hardy beta with the last nvidia driver (with compiz) : http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781
[17:53] <jimmygoon> savvas, yes
[17:53] <ubotu> bugs.opencompositing.org bug 781 in -Unknown "Inconsistent random colored window decorations and shadows" [Normal,Resolved: upstream]
[17:54] <rom> while it worked with gutsy
[17:54] <RainCT> savvas: here it asks for password, 32 bit
[17:54] <savvas> jimmygoon: 64-bit ?
[17:54] <jimmygoon> savvas, when I try FileZilla (FTP Client) it establishes a connection but (obviously) can't login
[17:54] <jimmygoon> nope savvas, 32 bit
[17:54] <savvas> hrm..
[17:54] <savvas> give me a sec, i'll need your input
[17:54] <jimmygoon> its weird though... I can't connect to certain FTP servers.. like I can't connect to this one in Cox Hosting but I can connect fine from windows
[17:55] <netdur> why mono based software is out dated?
[17:55] <savvas> jimmygoon: same here, i can connect everything else except *.sh3lls.net
[17:56] <jimmygoon> savvas, if you happen to figure out what is I would be dying to know what it is
[17:56] <jimmygoon> savvas, did you install alpha4?
[17:56] <savvas> since alpha 5 i'm here
[17:56] <bthankins> I wanted to see how others handle this situation:  I want to keep my main stable release of ubuntu and I also have another installation for testing new versions of ubuntu.  Currently, every time a new test version comes out, I do the install in a second area and  choose not to install the boot loader.  Then I go in to my main grub config and add all the kernel and boot information for the test installation to it.  Would it be easier to jus
[17:56] <jimmygoon> savvas, I wondered if maybe I had a bad pkg somewhere... from one of the alphas... but I reinstalled nautilus, my ftp client, the actual ftp program, etc
[17:56] <jimmygoon> no resolution
[17:57] <savvas> i kept the old /home/ partition intact, and formatted root /
[17:57] <Seven_Six_Two> is there somewhere that I can check to see if libasound_module_pcm_jack.so will be included in the libasound2-plugins package for Hardy?
[17:57] <savvas> jimmygoon: ok hold a sec, let me find the bug report :)
[17:57] <jimmygoon> savvas mine was a fresh alpha5 install or alpha4, either way, fresh though.
[17:57] <jimmygoon> savvas, I'll add my input if you link me
[17:57] <Laney> Can someone have a look at GNU chess on 3D mode and see if looks right for them please
[17:58] <stefg> bthankins: i ended up with a separate grub partition and do my /grub/menu.lst by hand as well... after 2 years of experiments it's the only thing i found working
[17:58] <savvas> hrm launchpad seems awfully lagging
[17:58] <savvas> (edge server)
[17:58] <jimmygoon> who hosts launchpad.net anyway
[17:59] <Seven_Six_Two> or could someone check if you have it installed?
[17:59] <Rukus> crimsun: i got my wireless to work! I added b43 to  /etc/modules so it would load at startup and that was all that i was missing!
[17:59] <Rukus> works like a charm so far
[17:59] <Laney> Seven_Six_Two: packages.ubuntu.com lets you search for files, or alternatively the apt-file program
[18:00] <bthankins> Thanks stefg.
[18:00] <netdur> gonna fill a bug, mono based software is out dated on distro known as bleeding edge distro
[18:00] <RainCT> jimmygoon: that's a question?
[18:00] <savvas> Seven_Six_Two: dpkg: *libasound_module_pcm_jack* not found.
[18:00] <Seven_Six_Two> Laney, thanks
[18:00] <cyclonut> Rukus: what card? (curiosity)
[18:00] <jimmygoon> netdur, what are you referring to
[18:00] <Rukus> bcm4318\
[18:00] <jimmygoon> RainCT, yeah
[18:00] <crimsun> Rukus: that doesn't fix jockey, however, which is our goal.
[18:00] <cyclonut> Rukus: interesting.
[18:00] <Rukus> using hardy supplied drivers
[18:00] <netdur> jimmygoon: banshee & monodevelop
[18:00] <Rukus> crimsun well.. my main goal was to get wireless working
[18:00] <crimsun> savvas: we don't build the jack alsa-lib plugin.
[18:00] <Rukus> jockey can come next
[18:00] <savvas> jimmygoon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/208750
[18:00] <RainCT> jimmygoon: ah, Canonical
[18:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208750 in gvfs "gvfsd-ftp - Pure-FTPd Error: Invalid reply" [Low,New]
[18:01] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest RC disk and it hangs. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it will go no further. Any suggestions?
[18:01] <jimmygoon> netdur, whats wrong w/ mono based software? or just those particular apps? mono itself is not outpated
[18:01] <jimmygoon> savvas, let me look
[18:01] <netdur> monodevelop is 1.0 now
[18:02] <crimsun> yes, there are people working on merging 1.0 for 8.04
[18:02] <netdur> and banshee?
[18:02] <crimsun> what about banshee?
[18:03] <jimmygoon> savvas, my problem is different, it is with something in ubuntu more core --- I can't connect from ANYthing. no client, ftp, lftp etc
[18:03] <netdur> alpha 2 is out, it has great improvements, there is untrusted deb floating on internet and user at ubuntuforum crying for failed compiles
[18:04] <savvas> jimmygoon: not even simple ftp terminal? weird
[18:04] <jimmygoon> savvas, this is all I get when I try to connect to my server: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
[18:04] <jimmygoon> and it stalls there
[18:04] <jimmygoon> and the server is fine
[18:04] <savvas> jimmygoon: try: ftp ftp.mozilla.org
[18:04] <crimsun> netdur: the Debian mono team is the best to ask.  I don't know offhand if it's planned for inclusion in 8.04.  (I compile SVN trunk myself, so I don't much care whether it ends up in 8.04.)
[18:05] <Rukus> wow 1mb/s
[18:05] <Rukus> slow?
[18:05] <Rukus> atleast it works
[18:05] <afflux> anyone noticed a unresponsive gnome-panel after booting?
[18:05] <crimsun> netdur: meaning: the Debian mono team is best for questions regarding packaging the newer alpha in /Debian/.
[18:05] <jimmygoon> savvas, works fine
[18:06] <jimmygoon> savvas, try "ftp 205.178.132.164" for me and see if you get anything
[18:06] <netdur> crimsun: ok! I have banshee installed on my computer, I shouldn't care much too
[18:06] <savvas> Connected to 205.178.132.164. - doesn't go any further
[18:06] <jimmygoon> savvas, exactly, I don't get it. from windows it is A-OK
[18:07] <savvas> jimmygoon: which daemon are they using?
[18:07] <jimmygoon> savvas, I'm not sure (how to tell)?
[18:08] <jimmygoon> savvas, I know its on a windows box
[18:09] <savvas> um.. no idea :\
[18:09] <crimsun> jimmygoon: log in to it and read the banner.
[18:09] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest hardy-desktop-amd64.iso disk and it hangs. I have an Abit IP35 mobo using ICHR-9 chipset. 4 SATA drives. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it will go no further. Any suggestions?
[18:10] <Stalwart> what version of Transmission will be shipped in 8.04?
[18:10] <jimmygoon> crimsun, from windows?
[18:10] <jimmygoon> crimsun, let me run downstairs to my windows px
[18:10] <crimsun> jimmygoon: in fact, you don't even need to log in to grab the banner.  Just telnet to the ftp ctrl port (tcp/21).
[18:10] <crimsun> (this presumes, of course, that the daemon is configured to provide a banner)
[18:10] <Stalwart> i missed 1.10 release and it got released with broken russian i18n, i'll finish translation in few hours
[18:11] <jimmygoon> crimsun, from ubuntu this is all  I get: Trying 205.178.132.164...
[18:11] <jimmygoon> Connected to 205.178.132.164.
[18:11] <crimsun> Stalwart: depends on the release team.
[18:12] <crimsun> Stalwart: there's already an open FFe request for transmission.
[18:12] <savvas> jimmygoon: try from windows command line, ftp 205.178.132.164
[18:12] <jimmygoon> on windows telnet <ip> <port> : "220  Serv-U  FTP-Server v2.5 for Winsock ready"
[18:13] <jimmygoon> so it works / connects from windows but not ubuntu
[18:13] <jimmygoon> I even have ufw shut off
[18:16] <jimmygoon> This is annoying, heh I can't think of any reason why this would be a problem. I'm about the fire up a packet capture and figure out whats going on
[18:16] <cM0ss> At least you have yours running.
[18:17] <crimsun> jimmygoon: what do you mean by "I can't connect from ANYthing. no client, ftp, lftp etc"?
[18:18] <jimmygoon> crimsun, right. ftp/lftp/telnet all fail to make a solid connection  to the server from ubuntu
[18:18] <jimmygoon> criumsun, all of those work in windows though, to the same server, from the same network :(
[18:19] <jimmygoon> ugh, wireshark doesn't have a root menu item anymore which cripples the package...
[18:20] <crimsun> ok, so I'll ask the obvious questions first.  Is the server actively rejecting or silently dropping the Ubuntu install's packets?
[18:20] <crimsun> `gksu wireshark'
[18:20] <jimmygoon> crimsun, I can't tell. I'm getting wireshark going here
[18:20] <jimmygoon> it just froze though
[18:20] <cyclonut> I know this is off topic, but any web-dev type folks here?
[18:21] <jimmygoon> cyclonut, a bit yes
[18:22] <jimmygoon> crimsun, my pc sends a packet, I get one back, I send another and then nothing
[18:22] <cyclonut> jimmygood: PM
[18:22] <jimmygoon> lftp stops at "FEAT negotiation" whatever that means
[18:23] <sourcemaker> how can I mount an encrypted file system?
[18:23] <sourcemaker> encrypted with the hardy installer
[18:24] <crimsun> jimmygoon: interesting.  How is the daemon configured?
[18:25] <crimsun> 3WH is completing, at least.
[18:25] <jimmygoon> crimsun, I don't have access to that. Its a shared box... Is there any chance there is a "user agent" string the way browsers do and the daemon is configure to ignore non windows or anything?
[18:25] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest hardy-desktop-amd64.iso disk and it hangs. I have an Abit IP35 mobo using ICHR-9 chipset. 4 SATA drives. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it loops and will go no further. Any suggestions?
[18:25] <crimsun> jimmygoon: it's quite possible.  Can you pastebin a sanitised pcap?
[18:26] <jimmygoon> crimsun, yep. give me a second
[18:27] <jimmygoon> !pastebin
[18:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:28] <jimmygoon> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61645/
[18:34] <EdwardXp3> what are the maintenance commands for linux to run routinely ?
[18:34] <EdwardXp3> like fragments, indexing un add services
[18:34] <EdwardXp3> to make my linux run faster
[18:35] <savvas> like fsck ?
[18:35] <crimsun> jimmygoon:  Which driver are you using on the Linux install?
[18:35] <EdwardXp3> yah
[18:35] <jimmygoon> crimsun, you mean wireless driver?
[18:35] <crimsun> jimmygoon: net driver(s)
[18:35] <EdwardXp3> but i want to clean up the internet fsck;
[18:36] <crimsun> jimmygoon: my guess is there's a transparent proxy that's barfing
[18:36] <EdwardXp3> just an overall thing to make linux faster
[18:36] <jimmygoon> crimsun, Atheros?
[18:36] <crimsun> eek.
[18:36] <Finnish> Can anyone help with wireless card?
[18:36] <crimsun> jimmygoon: do you have a wired iface on that install?
[18:36] <jimmygoon> crimsun, yes, but I think it fails also, I can go check
[18:36] <crimsun> jimmygoon: if so, are the symptoms reproducible on that one?
[18:36] <jimmygoon> crimsun, were you able to connect to that address/
[18:36] <crimsun> I have to leave for a few hours, but I'll be back in the early evening.
[18:37] <crimsun> jimmygoon: I didn't attempt to connect to it.
[18:37] <savvas> anyone knows what could cause gvfsd to output an ftp banner wrongly, like this: <-- 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] <-- [TLS] ----------
[18:37] <jimmygoon> crimsun, ping me if you see me, I'll ping you if I see you... thanks for the help so far
[18:37] <jimmygoon> crimsun, I'll test eth0 while you're gone
[18:38] <savvas> telnet outputs it like this: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ----------
[18:40] <sourcemaker> I have installed the new kubuntu hardy beta... but how can I mount the partition... if it's crypted via Luks?
[18:40] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest hardy-desktop-amd64.iso disk and it hangs. I have an Abit IP35 mobo using ICHR-9 chipset. 4 SATA drives. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it loops and will go no further. Any suggestions?
[18:42] <spsneo> hello i need help
[18:42] <spsneo> just now i upgraded my gutsy to hardy
[18:42] <spsneo> but the sound is not working
[18:42] <spsneo> what to do?
[18:43] <spsneo> hello
[18:43] <spsneo> is there anybosy?
[18:43] <spsneo> is there anybody?
[18:44] <cM0ss> There are. But they are quiet today.
[18:46] <alecs> hi
[18:46] <alecs>  i just installed ubuntu 8.04 beta, and it seems that compiz crashez
[18:47] <cM0ss> I can't get the live to even boot. You are doing better than me.  =]
[18:48] <alecs> LOL ....
[18:49] <alecs> i moved in one day from  a Feisty to a Gutsy and now to hardy ...
[18:49] <larson9999> since the services manager gui doesn't want to let me update, which file do i edit to turn off disable a service
[18:49] <alecs> becomes hard(y) to install the betta
[18:49] <alecs> larson9999: what do you mean?
[18:49] <alecs> go you want to move out to hardy ?
[18:50] <cM0ss> I have an ICHR-9 chipset on the motherboard and Hardy doesn't want to recognize it.
[18:50] <alecs> well ... i have a problem with a dell 1501
[18:51] <spsneo> sound not working in ubuntu hardy
[18:51] <spsneo> what to do
[18:51] <spsneo> should i downgrade
[18:51] <larson9999> alecs, i want to disable a service but the services gui has everything greyed out and unlock doesn't work.
[18:51] <spsneo> ?
[18:51] <spsneo> and if yes how to downgrade to gutsy
[18:51] <spsneo> ?
[18:51] <NET||abuse> is there a way to install a FF2 in parallel to the ff3 beta?
[18:52] <cM0ss> larson9999, can you su in a terminal and run the services gui?
[18:52] <fromport> dont even try/think of a downgrade: do a fresh install instead (-my opinion-(
[18:52] <larson9999> cM0ss su instead of sudo?
[18:52] <RainCT> NET||abuse: there's package firefox-2
[18:52] <orvokki> fromport: Or wait until Hardy RC and then upgrade to it? ;>
[18:52] <cM0ss> larson9999, should work either way.
[18:52] <spsneo> ok thanks
[18:53] <NET||abuse> RainCT, yeh just looked that up.. i suppose,, i am building some sites and need to see if the js will work on FF 2
[18:53] <RainCT> NET||abuse: (and I think that it uses a different configuration directory than Firefox 3)
[18:53] <larson9999> cM0ss, yeah, that's the problem.  doesn't let me update anything.
[18:53] <NET||abuse> maybe that's what i should use Xen for?
[18:53] <cM0ss> larson9999, you have to know where the config file for the service is located before you can edit it.
[18:53] <jng> spsneo: best way to dowgrade is switch to the backup you made before the upgrade ;)
[18:54] <NET||abuse> install light weight images of linux with FF2, and an XP image for IE6/7/8
[18:54] <larson9999> cM0ss yeah, hence the question
[18:54] <collusion> What's the recommended way to encrypt a swap partition these days?  The readme for CryptoSwap in cryptsetup package doesn't mention how to deal iwth UUID partitions.
[18:54] <fromport> xen networking is br0ken
[18:54] <NET||abuse> fromport, how so?
[18:55] <cM0ss> larson9999, you haven't told the channel what service you are wanting to turn off so how can anyone tell you where to look??
[18:55] <fromport> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:55] <larson9999> cM0ss, oh, there isn't one config file for daemons?  there's one for each?
[18:56] <cM0ss> larson9999, yes. One for each.
[18:56] <NET||abuse> fromport, i'll have to investigate that a bit further myself.. i've not really looked into it at all
[18:56] <jng> larson9999: what do you get when you fire up System -> administration -> services ?
[18:56] <jng> larson9999: should have an 'unlock' button you need to modify stuff
[18:57] <larson9999> cM0ss, oh, is there a common directory that they're stored in?  i figured there'd be a file listing the ones to start when you boot up.
[18:57] <larson9999> jng, there is an unlock button but it doesn't do anything.
[18:57] <alecs> ok...
[18:57] <larson9999> jng, everything is greyed out and the unlock button doesn't do anything.
[18:57] <Birmaan> Is there a command for switsing desktop
[18:57] <Birmaan> sortcut I mean
[18:58] <jng> larson9999: strange.. it should fire up a password dialog
[18:58] <cM0ss> I am trying to boot the latest hardy-desktop-amd64.iso disk and it hangs. I have an Abit IP35 mobo using ICHR-9 chipset. 4 SATA drives. It looks like it is trying to load 2-port SATA and I need it to load 4-port SATA first. When it gets to this point it loops and will go no further. Any suggestions?
[18:58] <larson9999> jng, yes it does.  then takes my password like normal.  but everything is greyed out and the unlock button doesn't work.
[18:58] <fromport> NET: i filed the bugreport ;-)
[18:59] <jng> larson9999: ok.. when you run 'groups' in a console what groups do you see
[19:00] <jng> .. in particular do you get admin?
[19:00] <larson9999> jng yeah, adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[19:00] <jng> hmm.. very strange.
[19:00] <larson9999> jng, all the other admin stuff i've tried works.
[19:03] <jng> larson9999: very weird.. for what it is worth here are a couple of good articles on services in ubuntu
[19:03] <jng> http://pthree.org/2008/02/26/managing-services-in-ubuntu-part-i-an-introduction-to-runlevels/
[19:04] <jng> http://pthree.org/2008/02/27/managing-services-in-ubuntu-part-ii-managing-runlevels/
[19:04] <alecs> sorry guys ... but for the moment, hardy seems to be crap ...
[19:04] <alecs> i mean ...
[19:04] <alecs> audacious crashed, compiz crashed
[19:04] <jng> alecs: mileage varies.. working really well for me
[19:04] <cM0ss> how well the hardware is supported really makes a difference.
[19:05] <alecs> jng ?
[19:05] <alecs> what do i have to install / upgrade
[19:05] <alecs> ?
[19:06] <jng> alecs: thought you were already on hardy?
[19:06] <cM0ss> I haven't found one single release of Ubuntu that would install or even run live on this computer but Mandriva, SuSE, and PCLinuxOS all will run and install.
[19:08] <jbroome> alecs: maybe you shouldn't run pre-release software
[19:08] <bicyclist> jbroome: True, one must recognize that prerelease means, it probably will crash your machine. to me updating to hardy took 3 days.
[19:09] <bicyclist> But finally i have a really smooth running hardy on my vaio notebook.
[19:09] <bicyclist> And it definitely supports more hardware than gutsy did.
[19:09] <larson9999> jng, thanks for the link.
[19:09] <bicyclist> And my wife will update to hardy when the final is out.
[19:10] <larson9999> cM0ss, what system is that?
[19:10] <cM0ss> I'm just waiting for a version that will run on mine...bugs or not.....If I can figure out how to make the loader use the ICHR-9 4-port driver I think I could install and run Ubuntu. Until then, I can't.
[19:10] <loa_> friends, who play armagetronad
[19:10] <loa_> have you got problem with textures?
[19:11] <cM0ss> larson9999, I have an Abit IP35 motherboard....4 SATA drives....
[19:12] <soto> Anybody familiar with Ada?
[19:12] <larson9999> i'm pretty lucky.  installing hardy on this machine was a breeze.  only hangup i have is the services dialogue.
[19:12] <bthankins> Do you have that set up as raid in the bios cM0ss?
[19:13] <cM0ss> No...I am using an IDE setup.
[19:13] <cM0ss> Single drives.
[19:14] <kane77> over all I like hardy very much.. not many crashes and it feels snappier, even compiz is usable, I guess I will leave compiz on :)
[19:14] <cM0ss> I watch the loading process and when it gets to loading the driver for the ICHR-9 chipset it tries to load the 2-port. It won't then it starts trying other stuff....and loops over and over. Never stops....
[19:14] <larson9999> kane77, i just don't get compiz, yet.  so far i haven't seen one feature that doesn't drive me let.  let alone one i like.
[19:15] <larson9999> s/drive me/drive me nuts/
[19:15] <kane77> larson9999, what about transparency?
[19:15] <soto> Some one can try to build a package for me? asis-programs
[19:15] <larson9999> kane77, i REALLY hate that one.  i prefer my windows opaque.  at least on the computer.
[19:16] <kane77> lol
[19:16] <larson9999> kane77, i hate the wobbly windows more, though.
[19:16] <cM0ss> When I watch the loading process on SuSE or Mandriva it gets to loading the ICHR-9 driver and it loads the 4-port first then the 2-port and it all works.
[19:16] <soto> Can someone confirm that asis-programs fails to build from source?
[19:17] <bthankins> cM0ss: have you tried starting the boot cd with irq=nopoll?
[19:17] <kane77> larson9999, I don't care for wobbly windows or cube, but I like some of the features. on my laptop I had compiz on because many people got to see this and it just looks cool, but on my desktop I had it turned off
[19:18] <kane77> but I like the live previews of windows, etc and let's not forget screenlets
[19:18] <cM0ss> bthankins, no. I've tried  noapic and a few others. I will go try that and I'll be back to report what happens.
[19:18] <kane77> also awn is great thing
[19:18] <bthankins> cM0ss: Ok, I just read about it from a few people on various forums with the same board.  Good luck.
[19:19] <cM0ss> bthankins, thanks. IF it works I will go load 7.10 and wait for the Hardy release.  :)
[19:19] <larson9999> kane77, i'm sure there must be something good about it.  all the cools kids are using it.  in general i feel like i'm about to have a seizure with everything squirming around.
[19:20] <Lynoure> In Amarok, is there a way to get the Context section text any larger? I have not found anything.
[19:20] <jng> kane77: awn in hardy is killing me with compiz.. when i click on an icon on another viewport
[19:21] <jng> .. it takes me there.. so long as i don't move the mouse.. in which case the cube spins me back and i start getting motion sickness
[19:21] <kane77> jng, disable icons from other viewports then :)
[19:21] <jng> kane77: right.. but that is one of the things i like to use it for ;)
[19:21] <larson9999> but as long as i have a choice, i wish compiz well.
[19:22] <jng> worked great in gutsy
[19:22] <kane77> jng, will try that... but only on my laptop which still runs gutsy
[19:23] <jng> not sure what's up .. using the window switcher in a gnome-panel works fine
[19:23] <larson9999> maybe i'm just old and crusty... the main reason i've gone with gnome over kde recently is kde turns on the bouncy cursor by default :)
[19:23]  * jng thinks moving/flashy cursors should be against the law
[19:24] <kane77> I will probably upgrade in school, I don't want to download all over with my crappy speed, at school I have 2MB/s (16Mbps)
[19:25] <larson9999> and no matter which de i'm using, i make it look like my desktops have looked since sometime in the 90's.
[19:27] <larson9999> if i just kinga ignore policy kit will things behave pretty much like they did with previous versions of ununtu?  or do i really have to learn to use it?
[19:28] <collusion> for the record, crypttab in hardy does understand UUID=xxx in the second field (Cf LP #153597).
[19:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153597 in cryptsetup "cryptsetup doesn't understand UUID= in crypttab" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153597
[19:31] <jester7> hardy amd64 virtualbox.  anyone tried it?
[19:33] <L33tMasta> Hello. I have a small networking issue that's actually hindering my laptop usage badly. Right now I cannot stream anything from my VIsta desktop to my laptop. MP3, AVI, MKV, OOG. None of them work. Movie player will open .AVI but will play them very slowly and without sound. Picture formats work fine and I can copy and paste easily but any kind of streaming is just not working. I can find the desktop under the MSHOME workgroup but w
[19:33] <L33tMasta> hen I try to access it's files it's blank. I have to manually mount the shares with thhe "Connect to Server" option. Anyone got any idea how to fix this?
[19:34] <soto> Is 'fails to build from source' FTBS or FTBFS?
[19:34] <Free-jack> i sincerely hope that nick is tongue in cheek, and it may pay to read up on samba
[19:34] <Free-jack> and or check samba bug reports in hardy
[19:35] <L33tMasta> Used it for years. And I am using Samba. I've been looking for a fix for a few days
[19:40] <shadowhywind> hi all, just installed hardy and setting up xmms2 and can't find a decent gui. anyone know of one that matchs xmms?
[19:41] <L33tMasta> I can't find any bugs in the tracker pertaining to Samba, Vista or Vista shares that are applicable to my issue
[19:41] <fromport> shadowhywind: aptitude install audacious
[19:42] <shadowhywind> thanks thats what i am looking for
[19:42] <shadowhywind> fromport: do you know if it supports xmms skins?
[19:43] <jbroome> I *think* it will
[19:43] <jbroome> but audacious seems to still crash on hardy 64bit for me
[19:43] <Zvezdichko> what a netsplit.. as for me, I experience frequent Plasma crashes and KNotify failures.
[19:44] <Zvezdichko> is there a log that I could report and where is it?
[19:44] <shadowhywind> jbroome: don't tell me that, i am running 64bit as well
[19:44] <jbroome> shadowhywind: ok.  All is well with audacious.  should give you no problems at all
[19:45] <shadowhywind> jbroome: well so far it hasn't crashed for me
[19:46] <sourcemaker> I have 2 hardy installations... both with the same install cd (alternative) and using encryption with LVM... At the moment I am using the fresh clean install on my first harddisk which already contains my personal data from backup and now I try to backup the data to the second fresh clean hardy install... but I can the second partition... what's wrong?
[19:46] <sourcemaker> I can't mount the second hard disk
[19:47] <sourcemaker> mount /dev/mapper/root-sda5 /mnt/   (mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member')
[19:49] <stefg> sourcemaker: but i understand that you have the other (encrypted) filesytem mounted, so i can't be a missing kernel module ?
[19:49] <sourcemaker> stefg: that's right... I am running on the first installation... so there kernel module should be loaded
[19:49] <cM0ss> Well, no luck with the IRQ=nopoll.
[19:50] <bluefoxx> yo, whats this "su: Authentication failure" crap i keep getting. i cant even set the rot pasword much less use sudo to unmount a drive correctly anymore
[19:50] <bluefoxx> tis a fricken PITA
[19:50] <stefg> !info cryptmount | sourcemaker
[19:50] <sourcemaker> stefg: I am running on hard (sdc) and try to backup my data to (sda) which is also a hardy installation
[19:50] <bluefoxx> its*
[19:50] <sourcemaker> !cryptomount
[19:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cryptomount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:51] <cM0ss> This is an issue that has been around for Ubuntu ever since the new Intel chipset. Other distros have addressed it but not Ubuntu.
[19:51] <sourcemaker> stefg: root@sourcemaker:/# cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 root-sda5... Enter LUKS passphrase:. key slot 0 unlocked. Command successful.
[19:52] <sourcemaker> stefg: mount /dev/mapper/root-sda5 /mnt/... mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[19:52] <bluefoxx> and why does hitting alt+sysrq+k reboot my system instead of killing everything and going back to login now?
[19:53] <kuil> hi all.. anybody here else notices that alt+f2 (run) isn't showing on top of the active windows? (after installing compiz features)
[19:54] <stefg> sourcemaker: i have no experience with that, but package cryptmount - Management and user-mode mounting of encrypted file systems is in the repos... try that ?
[19:54] <bluefoxx> kuil: nope
[19:54] <kuil> k.. but you have installed compiz?
[19:54] <bluefoxx> later
[19:54] <kuil> (via the system->enable wierd stuff?)
[19:54] <ompaul> bluefoxx, that may not be  ..
[19:54] <kuil> hmm
[19:54] <ompaul> ohh well
[19:54] <kuil> :)
[19:54] <Laney> Is it possible to get compiz to somehow ignore certain applications? Stellarium flickers like anything when it's enabled
[19:55] <jast-mxm> anyone at all vaguely familiar w/ vmware?
[19:55] <shadowhywind> anyone know where the audacious skin folder is?
[19:55] <TheFool> jast-mxm: sure, why?
[19:55] <visik7> hi
[19:56] <jast-mxm> well i just got the server install and configed but i don't know how to go about creating a guest os
[19:56] <TheFool> Laney: I wish, but no.
[19:56] <jast-mxm> wondering if someone would mind helping me
[19:56] <TheFool> jast-mxm: what do you need?
[19:56] <cM0ss> Ubuntu will not boot unless BIOS is set to fail safe defaults (USB, NETWORK, and FIREWIRE disabled). This is on the Intel IP35 (ICHR-9) chipsets and has been an issue since they were released. Anyone came up with a fix?
[19:56] <visik7> anyone have tried urandr interface with nvidia prop drivers ?
[19:56] <jast-mxm> well since it is up and running I would like to try to install another OS like a second instance of ubuntu
[19:57] <TheFool> ok...
[19:57] <jast-mxm> i can't find anything that goes past setting up the server
[19:57] <jast-mxm> ifconfig shows my vmnet1 and vmnet8
[19:57] <TheFool> jast-mxm: ok, so exactly what do you have up and running?
[19:58] <jast-mxm> well i just did the install of vmware server
[19:58] <jast-mxm> and ran though the config after applying the patch
[19:58] <visik7> and moreover the utility to configure the monitors set wrong values in the Xorg conf causing the first monitor to go into 640x480
[19:58] <jast-mxm> is there a console i have to launch?
[19:58] <visik7> even if I didn't touch it
[19:58] <stefg> jast-mxm: #vmware ?
[19:59] <jast-mxm> thanks i'll try my luck there
[20:00] <TheFool> jast-mxm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209 is for windows but it is still good instructions. Frankly I am confused that you are confused
[20:01] <visik7> any plan to put OOo 2.4 before hardy release ?
[20:01] <jast-mxm> well i have never used it before so after doing all the install at commandline what is the next step kinda thing
[20:02] <jast-mxm> ah, i'm getting an error
[20:02] <jast-mxm> http://pastebin.com/m2801b5c6
[20:02] <jng> visik7: i believe hardy actually has 2.4 -- it just lies and says it is 2.3
[20:03] <KalEl> how can i find out what is used to open a .srt file when i double click nautilus?
[20:03] <jast-mxm> TheFool: would you care to join me in #vmware so i don't upset the mods here?
[20:06] <sourcemaker> When I start hardy... I have the following mapping: /dev/mapper/sourcemaker-root ... how have this mapping been created?
[20:06] <Black_Magic> mm How to enable AIGLX with hardy?
[20:08] <shadowhywind> hay all i just noticed that my firefox windows have no icons, anyone know of a fix?
[20:08] <Black_Magic> And do i still need Section "Module"
[20:08] <Black_Magic> 	Load		"glx"
[20:08] <Black_Magic> EndSection
[20:13] <ere4si> KalEl: .srt are text files - use gedit :)
[20:14] <sourcemaker> how can I solve the problem: "Duplicate VG name"
[20:19] <sourcemaker> hoa can I change the LVM name?
[20:26] <kane77> visik7, yeah, it's just wrong artwork, the picture says 2.3 but the text says 2.4
[20:26] <shadowhywind> hay all, i have lost the icons fore firefox that get dispolayed on the systray and the icon in the top left corner, any ideas?
[20:28] <wshaddix> has anyone had any trouble switching from roaming mode to a static ip using the Network Manager with the beta causing the network to stop working?
[20:31] <loa> friends i have problems with armagetronad and gltron on intel-video
[20:31] <loa> textures are broken when i play.
[20:37] <shockhead> anyone else finding konqueror very very slow in hardy?
[20:37] <shockhead> keeps freezing
[20:38] <shockhead> kde 3.5.9
[20:38] <Zvezdichko> shockhead: not only in 3.5.9 but also in 4.0
[20:38] <DanaG> Heh, here's a way to cause way undefined behavior: Run "wubi" under Wine.
[20:38] <DanaG> Hah!.
[20:38] <shockhead> Zvezdichko: any idea why? is it a documented bug?
[20:38] <kane77> DanaG, lol :)
[20:39] <kane77> you can try run windows version of wmvare just to install macOS :)
[20:39] <Zvezdichko> no, I don't know.... however, konqueror also has frequent crashes
[20:39] <Zvezdichko> and I fired a bug on launchpad
[20:39] <Zvezdichko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/208499
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208499 in kdebase "Konqueror crashes in KDE 4.02 for 8.04 Beta (Hardy)" [Undecided,New]
[20:39] <shockhead> cool
[20:40] <shockhead> this is quite frustrating... 3.5.9 in gutsy was okay
[20:40] <shockhead> i'm not getting any high CPU or memory usage
[20:40] <DanaG> Wubi Dooby Doo!
[20:41] <rynol> Haywire - I set the desktop changer to 4 desktop and when I apply it go back to two desktops
[20:42] <loa> hello!
[20:42] <loa> people with intel video cards.
[20:42] <loa> can you report something about armagetronad
[20:42] <loa> ?
[20:43] <kuil> Lattyware: armagetronad?
[20:43] <visik7> hi
[20:43] <visik7> where is bash_completion in hardy ????
[20:44] <loa> kuil, yeah
[20:44] <kuil> what's that (sorry for my ignorance)
[20:44] <loa> 3d game.
[20:45] <emma> I don't mean this comment to be challenging at all, in fact since I expect things to work out Im sort of impressed, but I was wondering --- Since the official release of Hardy is so soon, and we see so many people with bugs, how can it be possible to have it all working just right by the release?
[20:45] <kuil> ah...
[20:45] <emma> It reminds me of China not having built its stadiums before the Olympics.
[20:46] <Lattyware> kuil: Sorry?
[20:46] <Lattyware> Oh, wrong tab completion.
[20:46] <kuil> :)
[20:47] <Zvezdichko> loa: what's the issue
[20:47] <loa> Zvezdichko, wait please. I make few screenshot
[20:48] <Zvezdichko> loa: please, give me, because I also have Intel videocard and experience some bad rendering
[20:48] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps if we fire AA guns at the Hardy CD, it'll get rid of the bugs.
[20:48] <DanaG> (joke refers to the idea of shooting clouds to stop rain.)
[20:49] <Zvezdichko> with some other games
[20:49] <emma> hehe DanaG
[20:49] <loa> Zvezdichko, broken textures. Some parts of floor goes up =)
[20:49] <DanaG> Just make sure that "Fire!" key doesn't get stuck!
[20:49] <loa> can't play.
[20:49] <Zvezdichko> loa:  give me the screenie, this may be the same problem and it may be global
[20:50] <Zvezdichko> but it's on OpenArena
[20:50] <Zvezdichko> the problem is that I already fired a bug about that particular package
[20:50] <rynol> Hi there
[20:52] <rynol> Before activating the desktop effects I had 3 desktops on my desktop changer, after activation, now i only have 2?
[20:53] <DG19075> Here's one for those who might know: I'm running the Hardy heron beta and want to get the login screen resolution back to 1024x768 from 1280x1024.Running gedit on /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows just a lot of generic entries and no specific settings. How to change this?
[20:55] <loa> Zvezdichko, http://wwwv.ru/scr1.png
[20:55] <rynol> How can I set the advance desktop settings on Kubuntu (Hardy Beta)
[20:55] <loa> Zvezdichko, need more?
[20:56] <ere4si> DG19075: try using /etc/usplash.conf
[20:56] <Zvezdichko> no, thank you
[20:56] <Zvezdichko> do you play some other games? do you have the same problem
[20:57] <loa> Zvezdichko, can you say what small game i can install?
[20:57] <loa> Zvezdichko, i try gltron
[20:57] <loa> same bug
[20:58] <setuid> How does one play h.264 video on Hardy?
[20:58] <loa> Zvezdichko, http://wwwv.ru/scr2.png
[20:58] <Zvezdichko> loa, I play OpenArena and Planet Penguin Racer
[20:58] <Zvezdichko> on both games I get the very same effect as you
[20:59] <Zvezdichko> my videocard is Intel 946 GZ
[20:59] <Turski> shouldn't gallery 2 be working straight after installing by going to localhost/gallery2?
[20:59] <loa> Zvezdichko, i found that man said to install packet from gutsy.
[21:00] <Turski> getting just not found
[21:00] <loa> Zvezdichko, have you try games like quake3?
[21:00] <Zvezdichko> loa, yes
[21:00] <DG19075> tried editing the usplash.conf but no go
[21:00] <Zvezdichko> hmm.. maybe we should just wait for the next release of the intel driver for linux
[21:01] <ere4si> DG19075: "no go" means?
[21:01] <loa> Zvezdichko, =)
[21:01] <loa> Zvezdichko, what is there with quake3?
[21:02] <setuid> DG19075, editing it to do what?
[21:02] <loa> same effect?
[21:03] <Zvezdichko> loa: yes, same effect. but I don't play Quake 3, but the opensource version
[21:03] <Zvezdichko> OpenArena
[21:03] <Zvezdichko> have you tried it
[21:03] <ere4si> DG19075: did you type in a terminal   gksudo gedit /etc/usplash.conf     or open the file in your browser
[21:03] <loa> Zvezdichko, nope)
[21:03] <loa> let's wait.
[21:04] <loa> or get intel driver from git and install.
[21:04] <Zvezdichko> loa: sudo apt-get install openarena
[21:04] <loa> Zvezdichko, i have 256kbit
[21:04] <Zvezdichko> what is git?
[21:04] <loa> Zvezdichko, last dev revesion.
[21:04] <setuid> Zvezdichko, A dscm
[21:04] <setuid> er, dscms
[21:05] <Zvezdichko> anyway, hardy is great
[21:05] <loa> yeah)
[21:05] <setuid> Speaking of good 3D games --> http://blobsallad.se/
[21:06] <loa> Zvezdichko, when this bug appeard?
[21:06] <Zvezdichko> loa: this bug appeared as soon as I upgraded from gutsy to hardy
[21:06] <setuid> Zvezdichko, Hardy is not production-ready yet
[21:06] <setuid> Expect bugs
[21:07] <Zvezdichko> setuid: I know, of course, and I report when I find bugs. I like playing with cutting-edge software
[21:08] <setuid> So anyone know what codecs I need to install to play h.264 video?
[21:09] <Milos_SD> where can I see what packages are beening build right now?
[21:09] <DG19075> ere4si: I did, and it shows the 1024x768 resolution I put in..
[21:10] <setuid> Milos_SD, built where?
[21:10] <setuid> DHGE, did you add the right resolution to your vga= line?
[21:10] <Zvezdichko> I suppose he's speaking about packages of Gutsy being worked right now
[21:10] <Zvezdichko> of Hardy*
[21:10] <Zvezdichko> err sorry
[21:11] <loa> Zvezdichko, there is updates of xorg core :D
[21:11] <setuid> Zvezdichko, they're being built on hundreds of developer's personal development systems, there's no way to know which ones are being built
[21:11] <DG19075> there was no vga=  line in the Hardy beta I'm running
[21:11] <setuid> DG19075, add the appropriate one
[21:11] <Milos_SD> well ... packages that will come for update when they been built ...  I know that someone put a link here for that ... I think it is a status of some kind
[21:11] <Milos_SD> It is a link on launchpad
[21:12] <Zvezdichko> loa: how do you know this?
[21:12] <loa> Zvezdichko, update manager
[21:13] <Milos_SD> Zvezdichko, yes, I am speaking of that :)
[21:14] <lxuser> hello all
[21:15] <lxuser> has anyone else noticed awn manager is broken?
[21:16] <RAOF> !nouveau > orvokki
[21:16] <DG19075> just reopened my /etc/x11/xorg.conf, and all I see is stuff like "configured Monitor"...
[21:17] <lxuser> Avant Window Navigator in the repository seems to be broken.
[21:17] <Zvezdichko> my xorg.conf is very short
[21:17] <lxuser> is there a place I can report it?
[21:18] <kane77> lxuser, launchpad.net
[21:18] <Zvezdichko> bugs.launchpad.net
[21:18] <orvokki> RAOF: Which keys are those signed with?
[21:18] <RAOF> orvokki: They're not; it's a PPA.
[21:18] <orvokki> Hmm.
[21:19] <orvokki> RAOF: Can't you sign those with your own key?
[21:20] <RAOF> No, I don't build the binaries, only the source.  To sign them I'd need to give launchpad a no-passphrase private key.
[21:20] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[21:20] <orvokki> Well, I'll take a look at it when I don't have to go to sleep in a few minutes...
[21:20] <loa> Zvezdichko, =(
[21:20] <loa> no any results.
[21:21] <lxuser> seems it was already reported, oh well.
[21:23] <Zvezdichko>  loa, sorry to hear that
[21:23] <Zvezdichko> I think, however, that they will fix this till final release
[21:23] <loa> Have you found this bug on launghpad?=)
[21:24] <Zvezdichko> the gaming bug?
[21:24] <setuid> What codecs do I need to install to play h.264 video?
[21:24] <willie> Kubuntu 8.04 beta install that wont install the base system cos the new kernel has difficulty with the CD-ROM  -- should 1 1) try to get it working from a USB-stick install or 2) wait for a release with a new kernel?
[21:24] <loa> Zvezdichko, yeah
[21:25] <Zvezdichko> loa: as I said I reported it already
[21:25] <Zvezdichko> two days ago
[21:25] <Zvezdichko> but they didn't notice it
[21:25] <loa> give it to me.
[21:25] <Zvezdichko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openarena/+bug/208343
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208343 in openarena "Openarena doesn't render the graphics properly" [Undecided,New]
[21:25] <Zvezdichko> you may add an attachment
[21:25] <lxuser> with a lot of games you are better off just dling and compiling or dling the binary from the site.
[21:26] <lxuser> the frets on fire in the repository has never worked for me in any release.
[21:27] <robotjox> any ideas how to troubleshoot dual screen in ubuntu? It seems Ubuntu 8.01 turns my secondary screen extremely bright. Works fine in windows
[21:28] <robotjox> all settings are at default in nvidia.settings
[21:28] <robotjox> tried 2 different lcd's - same problem
[21:29] <robotjox> tried 3 differemt nvidia-drivers - didn't help
[21:30] <robotjox> been googling forever - can't find a a solution, so I'll probably file a bug - just wanted to ask here first
[21:30] <lxuser> well did you know how to do it in the last version of ubuntu?
[21:30] <pen> do anyone here know why document viewer open pdf as qxd files?
[21:31] <SeveredCross> Has anyone had issues with smbfs/cifs not working properly?
[21:31] <robotjox> lxuser: are you talking to me?
[21:31] <SeveredCross> I get lots of Input/Output errors that just plain don't make sense.
[21:31] <lxuser> yes robotjox.
[21:32] <robotjox> lxuser: no, I haven't tried it before recently
[21:32] <lxuser> robotjox, have you searched on the ubuntu wiki for multi monitor support?
[21:32] <robotjox> lxuser: yeah, i read all I could find
[21:33] <robotjox> lxuser: nobody mentions this problem
[21:33] <lxuser> it may just be a bug as a new version of xorg has been put in place, but i doubt it
[21:33] <tmh__> why are there links to basic howtos in the topic? why not to the most pressing bugs and their status?
[21:33] <lxuser> because its hard to define what the most pressing bug is.
[21:34] <lxuser> also the motd has to be limited in size.
[21:34] <robotjox> lxuser: hmm, maybe i shouldn't rule that out - other distros work fine as far as i can see
[21:34] <lxuser> I'd wait till the end of april and see whta happens robotjox.
[21:34] <robotjox> but hardy works best with my laptop
[21:34] <lxuser> it could as you say be a bug.
[21:34] <robotjox> yeah, ok, i don't really have a choice anyway, cuz i need hardy for most things
[21:35] <lxuser> ah, well good luck.
[21:35] <robotjox> and setting alpha/brightness down a notch helps somewhat - thanks for trying :)
[21:36] <lxuser> no problem
[21:38] <DG19075> I was able to solve the login screen problem!
[21:39] <visik7> how ?
[21:39] <DG19075> Here's how: Under Applications.>Other you'll see Screens and Graphcs.
[21:40] <Itaku> what does this mean
[21:40] <Itaku> wait
[21:40] <Itaku> The desktop entry file
[21:40] <Itaku> has an invalid menu entry
[21:40] <Itaku> addAsPodcast.
[21:40] <joy> hi pplz!!! Anybody know ho make Ubuntu 7.10 NOT TO CHANGE cpu freq??
[21:41] <DG19075> Click on that and you'll see a dialog box titled Screen and Graphics preferences.
[21:41] <Itaku> The desktop entry file
[21:41] <Itaku> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[21:41] <Itaku> has an invalid menu entry
[21:41] <Itaku> addAsPodcast.
[21:42] <TheInfinity> DG19075: wrong channel
[21:42] <TheInfinity> -> #ubuntu
[21:42] <DG19075> You then would add the information about your screen and and graphics card there.
[21:42] <TheInfinity> ah damn
[21:42] <TheInfinity> i meant joy
[21:42] <joy> 10x
[21:42] <Itaku> !language | TheInfinity
[21:42] <ubotu> TheInfinity: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:42] <DG19075> TheInfinity: I'm running Hardy Heron beta LOL
[21:42] <Jaymac> Itaku: That is a bit OTT...
[21:43] <Itaku> what?
[21:43] <TheInfinity> the damn was just about my own mistake choosing the wrong username ;)
[21:43] <DG19075> and editing /etc/x11/xorg.conf doesn't work, but what I just wrote, does.
[21:43] <Opu1> Is anyone successfully using splashy with Hardy?
[21:44] <TheInfinity> Opu1: no ... also nvidia graphics?
[21:44] <Opu1> ATI
[21:44] <Jaymac> Itaku: calling him out for language
[21:45] <TheInfinity> Opu1: ok seems to be a bug with quite large hardware range ...
[21:45] <Opu1> Thx. I did get the splash, but no boot progress after that.
[21:46] <TheInfinity> Opu1: booting ubuntu or getting a splash. also a nice decision ...
[21:47] <Opu1> I think I'd rather have desktop effects, so I won't downgrade the driver. A verbose option is a "nice to have", not a requirement.
[21:48] <Opu1> Yeah, no boot, empty progress bar, no ctrl+alt+f1, completely hung
[21:54] <AdrianStrays> So here is my question.  I've yet to install Ubuntu, and I'm trying do decide if I should wait until the final version of hard comes out, or if I should install Gusty now.  Can I upgrade from Gusty to Hardy within Gusty, or do I have to download a new ISO?  Would the process be easier if I just installed the Hardy Beta and waited for the final release?
[21:55] <lxuser> adrianstrays, id just wait
[21:55] <lxuser> adrianstrays, the bugs arnt bad, but they are still there.
[21:56] <quentusrex> AdrianStrays, I would wait until Hardy comes out. Gutsy is great, and it's really easy to upgrade.
[21:56] <AdrianStrays> So your saying I should install Gusty for now and then install Hardy after it is fully completed?
[21:56] <kane77> AdrianStrays, if you are not experienced ubuntist I suggest waiting, there *might* be some showstopper.
[21:56] <quentusrex> AdrianStrays, right. I would suggest waiting until hardy comes out in 3 weeks.
[21:57] <AdrianStrays> So will I be able to upgrade within Gusty, or will I have to download another ISO?
[21:57] <quentusrex> AdrianStrays, or.... Just be ready to format gutsy and install hardy.
[21:57] <kane77> AdrianStrays, but yes you can upgrade without downloading iso...
[21:58] <lxuser> you can dl inside of gusty i imagine
[21:58] <lxuser> but it might be prefered to do it with an iso still
[21:58] <Opu1> On the other hand, I grabbed the Beta, and it's been at least as good to me as Gutsy was. Of course, I'm not worried about being able to recover, if anything does go wrong.
[21:58] <quentusrex> yes. I installed Gusty a few months back and this past week I upgraded to Hardy
[21:59] <lxuser> ive had a few bugs, but nothing significant.
[21:59] <kane77> lxuser, I really prefer to upgrade instead of clean install...
[21:59] <quentusrex> I haven't noticed any of the bugs except for the evolution and google calendar bug.
[21:59] <judgen> anyone got any problem with gnome after updating today?
[21:59] <lxuser> kane77, you can install ontop of it and keep all your old files
[21:59] <quentusrex> I haven't updated yet.... why do you ask judgen???
[21:59] <lxuser> kane77, at least i did.
[22:00] <kane77> lxuser, but I will have to install and configure most of the stuff I'm used to having.
[22:00] <evan_> yeah my hardy looks like mac ^^
[22:00] <evan_> got global menu working :D
[22:00] <pen> evan_: no dirly hacks?
[22:00] <lxuser> kane77, actually when i did it it messed up Xorg so yeah, if you want to upgrade the apt method is still probably the best.
[22:00] <pen> *dirty
[22:00] <kane77> judgen, my panel crashed once, apart from that it's fine
[22:01] <quentusrex> Should I wait a day to upgrade?
[22:01] <judgen> kane77, ok
[22:01] <pen> Are Rezlooks or Aurora gtk engine installed in hardy in default?
[22:01] <kane77> evan_, so the <name of the thingy> got into repos? I once was obsessed with mac look so I was trying to configure it
[22:01] <evan_> pen well what i did was a mix of 2 tutorials and no extra hacks that wont need at at gutsy
[22:02] <evan_> kane77 nope
[22:02] <lxuser> does anyone know of a osx like dock that is in the repository?
[22:02] <Opu1> My panel crashes all the time with effects turned on, but it comes right back up. Still, NetworkManager 6.6 was worth the upgrade.
[22:02] <judgen> quentusrex, as i cant get farther than GDM after the update... it hangs or somesuch after logging in
[22:02] <kane77> lxuser, awn?
[22:02] <lxuser> awn seems to be broken kane77
[22:02] <pen> evan_: I have heard that the menu won't work with certain programs? Or did you solved that?
[22:02] <quentusrex> I have a stable system so far. I'll wait a bit before I update.
[22:02] <kane77> Opu1, yep it was with compiz on...
[22:03] <evan_> pen with firefox and openoffice you dont get the menu in the menu bar but just as normal in the program bar
[22:03] <pen> evan_: nice
[22:03] <lxuser> ive had problems with skype and its stupid qt4 libraries, but i guess thats not related to gnome at all.
[22:04] <Opu1> Well, it's back to usplash for me. I was patiently waiting for them to make progress on their milestones, but I was a little upset to hear that there has been no work on it for over a year.
[22:04] <kane77> skype is evil ;)
[22:04] <lxuser> i like it when it works.
[22:05] <lxuser> i wish they would use gtk libraries like everyone else though.
[22:05] <kane77> have you tried jabber voip?
[22:05] <lxuser> kane77, i can call landlines?
[22:06] <lxuser> or rather, can i call landlines?
[22:06] <kane77> ehm no :P but it's free :D
[22:06] <kane77> (as in speech)
[22:06] <kane77> (not as in beer)
[22:06] <lxuser> yeah, you see im moving in an apartment in a few months and $3 a month for unlimited calls to us and canada sounds pretty good.
[22:07] <lxuser> thats why i like skype at the moment.
[22:07] <quentusrex> I have a networking question. I have to route many vpn video streams in(2000+) and stream them from the vpn's to a cluster of servers, and from the cluster of servers that will stream out to the internet 10,000+ data streams
[22:08] <quentusrex> What would be a good way to arrange the network???
[22:08] <quentusrex> I can have multiple public ip's.
[22:08] <kane77> well I guess the only reason why I don't like skype so much is because you have to have different program running (you can't have it as pluigin in pidgin) and last time I checked the windows version looked a lot better
[22:08] <kane77> but I guess that is a bit !ot here :)
[22:08] <lxuser> dunno,m i made a C in network support quentusrex :p
[22:09] <lxuser> kane77, the windows version is a lot better.
[22:09] <lxuser> but its on windows... so it sucks.
[22:09] <lxuser> pidgin is cool, but i hate the irc client.
[22:09]  * kane77 contemplates installing skype
[22:10] <kane77> yeah, I hate it for irc, I like xchat
[22:10] <EnsGabe> and what's up with 2.4.0 not having a resizable text box?
[22:10] <lxuser> xchat does its job well.
[22:10] <evan_> pen kane77 i used this to install it ( second post on the page ) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241868&page=180
[22:11] <lxuser> i just want a classic irc window to come up
[22:11] <lxuser> and ill tell it what server and channel i want through commands
[22:11] <lxuser> pidgin fails as an irc client.
[22:11] <pen> evan_: cool
[22:12] <judgen> lxuser, xchat is nice enough though
[22:12] <lxuser> judgen i agree. I would just like pidgin to get better.
[22:13] <evan_> pen take care the compiling of gtk takes like hours!
[22:13] <Opu1> Sounds like they want to go with Empathy instead of Pidgin after hardy.
[22:14] <pen> evan_: wow
[22:14] <pen> evan_: why compile gtk for?
[22:14] <lxuser> empathy?
[22:14] <evan_> pen to get it working you must patch gtk
[22:15] <Viperfang> When I try and use BlueTooth send file I keep getting --> Method "CreateBluetoothSession" with signature "ssb" on interface "org.openobex.Manager" doesn't exist <-- I get this on Gutsy and Hardy, I have installed the utils openobex utils to try and fix it, but it doesnt help
[22:15] <corporeal> i deleted my Desktop folder, and kdesktop started showing my entire home dir on my desktop instead. I recreated the folder, now how do i get kdesktop ot start showing it again instead of my home dir!
[22:16] <pen> evan_: I see
[22:16] <kane77> wow, empathy looks a lot like pidgin
[22:16] <Opu1> Without the features :)
[22:17] <typhox> hi
[22:17] <snowolf> hi typhox
[22:17] <typhox> How do i restart the x-Server?
[22:17] <corporeal> CTRL-ALT-Backspace is easy
[22:18] <typhox> but then all programs are closed.
[22:18] <corporeal> thats the only realy way to restart the x server AFAIK
[22:18] <typhox> okay, thank you
[22:18] <corporeal> no problem.
[22:18] <saltedlight_> hi. i vahe a strange problem
[22:19] <corporeal> i think we all do. if we didn't, 8.04 wouldn't be in beta still ;-)
[22:19]  * SpartanII117 has very normal problems
[22:19] <saltedlight_> after a clean install, like usual, i have enabled the nvidia driver...
[22:19] <saltedlight_> nice joke :))
[22:20] <corporeal> :-p
[22:20] <SpartanII117> :)
[22:20] <Viperfang> Any ideas?
[22:20] <saltedlight_> if i use some efects my title bar disapear
[22:20] <lxuser> strange.
[22:20] <saltedlight_> if none there no problem
[22:20] <lxuser> i havnt heard that one yet.
[22:20] <SpartanII117> do you have compiz/emrald enabled?
[22:20] <corporeal> means compiz is blowing up
[22:20] <saltedlight_> if i move the mouse then apear back
[22:20] <corporeal> or whatever you might be using for a window manager.
[22:21] <Viperfang> I had that problem saltedlight_, let me install the settings app, then I can help
[22:21] <corporeal> interesting. hmmm there are some nvidia options you might have to set in the xorg.conf
[22:21] <Zvezdichko> loa, are you here. there is an update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openarena/+bug/208343 . I attached a screenshot.
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208343 in openarena "Openarena doesn't render the graphics properly" [Undecided,New]
[22:21] <corporeal> i cant remember what they are off the top of my head
[22:21] <saltedlight_> all things are very default
[22:22] <saltedlight_> the only modified thing on this system is this xchat that is very strange for me :))
[22:22] <TheFool> saltedlight_: One thing I would suggest is designating a fallback window manager, that way your programs are useful when compiz etc crashes
[22:22] <TheFool> saltedlight_: wait no compiz?
[22:22] <saltedlight_> is not realy crashing
[22:22] <gluer> got virtualbox working in seamless mode with vista, working well so far no crashes
[22:22] <saltedlight_> now i have reinstalled for the 5th time
[22:23] <loa> Zvezdichko, yeah i see. Can you attach this bug to intel driver?
[22:23] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, I don't know how to do this
[22:24] <lxuser> is there a list of native linux wifi cards?
[22:24] <kane77> lxuser, anyway.. are you able to install skype on x64?
[22:24] <evan_> are there more plugins for awn ?? in gutsy there where
[22:25] <Zvezdichko> loa: don't worry, I found a way
[22:25] <lxuser> kane77, i dont know, I dont own any x64 platforms
[22:25] <loa> Zvezdichko, good)
[22:25] <lxuser> evan_ you actually got awn to run in the beta?
[22:26] <saltedlight_> so the normal way is to enable the envidia driver and then to install compiz or whatever? i think is not installed by default... am i wrong?
[22:26] <saltedlight_> yes i got awn
[22:26] <saltedlight_> worked
[22:26] <TheFool> lxuser: works perfect for me in the beta...
[22:26] <saltedlight_> yesterday :))
[22:26] <Viperfang> "The composite extension is not available"
[22:26] <lxuser> thefool: i get nothing but crashes.
[22:26] <Viperfang> when I try and enable desktop effects
[22:27] <TheFool> saltedlight_: it depends on your hardware, I have always had intel chips with good compatability...
[22:27] <TheFool> nvidia makes better chips but their drivers are notoriously bad...
[22:28] <lxuser> ive had worse luck with ati drivers.
[22:28] <SpartanII117> TheFool: who's frivers are you comparing to?
[22:28] <SpartanII117> ahh, intel, NVM
[22:28] <saltedlight_> well... amd sempron 2800+ (1.6 default oc 1.9), maybe this is a problem too, not sure... and nvidia geforce 6200
[22:29] <saltedlight_> but...only 521 mb ram...
[22:29] <saltedlight_> *512
[22:29] <TheFool> SpartanII117: yea, it stinks that the two big guys have crappy drivers...Their cards are so much nice, then again I don't really need that for punching code into a text editor...
[22:29] <SpartanII117> yeah
[22:29] <evan_> lxuser uhhh yes just apt-getted it
[22:29] <corporeal> :-p
[22:30] <SpartanII117> saltedlight: do you have emrald installed?
[22:30] <TheFool> 2800 should not be a problem but the 6200....thats old as hell lol
[22:30] <lxuser> evan_ i do and it jut crashes when i run the awn manager
[22:30] <saltedlight_> no... just default install now
[22:30] <saltedlight_> got compiz yesterday
[22:30] <saltedlight_> got a pc boom
[22:30] <evan_> lxuser how do you open it?
[22:30] <saltedlight_> :))
[22:30] <judgen> TheAsp, 6xxx series isnt very old
[22:30] <evan_> lxuser, in the menu?
[22:31] <judgen> TheFool, 6xxx series isnt very old
[22:31] <judgen> sorry name completion =P
[22:31] <SpartanII117> i recomend emrald as a window decorator for compiz, try it out
[22:31] <Viperfang> I cant get compiz to run
[22:31] <saltedlight_> in fact is realy good... my opinion... got used for 2 years with win$cra*p
[22:32] <TheFool> judgen: really? I know the 7200 I have was from 2001...
[22:32] <Viperfang> Oh well, I need tosend files via bluetooth..."Method "CreateBluetoothSession" with signature "ssb" on interface "org.openobex.Manager" doesn't exist"
[22:32] <TheFool> served me well though I have to admit.
[22:32] <saltedlight_> 6200
[22:33] <saltedlight_> i just wana say one more thing and i have to restart after driver updates.. etc
[22:33] <TheFool> saltedlight_: yea...I just figured 6200 was older than 7200... thats what I get for thinking someone has a decent versioning system
[22:33] <saltedlight_> i am very satisfied by 8.04
[22:33] <TheFool> saltedlight_: I am glad, and good luck man.
[22:33] <saltedlight_> i'l be back...  >:)
[22:33] <SpartanII117> yeah, Good luck
[22:34] <mithraic> If I want to use the latest ATI ("radeon") open-source driver on my x86 machine, which of these various debs do I want to install?
[22:34] <mithraic> http://ppa.launchpad.net/tormodvolden/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/
[22:34] <mithraic> Do I want xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg_6.8.0-1ubuntu0tormod~gutsy_i386.deb ?
[22:35] <judgen> TheFool, you are very wrong indeed.
[22:35] <TheFool> so what else is new...
[22:35] <judgen> TheFool, June 2005 - 2006
[22:36] <judgen> is the first release date for 7xxx series
[22:36] <judgen> but it wasnt in wide circulation at that time
[22:36] <judgen> and only at high end models
[22:36] <judgen> TheFool, The 7200 series was introduced May 8, 2007
[22:36] <loa> Zvezdichko, i add few screeshots/
[22:37] <TheFool> judgen: you know what.... I am a bloody moron
[22:37] <TheFool> http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon7200/index.html is my card
[22:38] <SpartanII117> lol
[22:38] <TheFool> bit of a difference...
[22:38] <Zvezdichko> loa: I saw them... well, the problem didn't appear in Gutsy, however, it appeared in Hardy and affects a lot of games. This means that it is either related to the Intel driver, wither to OpenGL
[22:38]  * saltedlight i'm back >:)
[22:38] <SpartanII117> yeah....
[22:39] <SpartanII117> any luck?
[22:39] <saltedlight> and i got a screenshot :))
[22:39] <TheFool> woohoo!
[22:39] <saltedlight> any sugestion were to host it? :))
[22:39] <TheFool> I am hoping it a sceenshot of victory...
[22:39] <SpartanII117> the forums?
[22:39] <saltedlight> is not :|
[22:39] <loa> Zvezdichko, i think you need to add mesa =)
[22:39] <saltedlight> whta's that? :D
[22:40] <Zvezdichko> loa: does this use Mesa?
[22:40] <SpartanII117> the forum will accept very large .PMG's
[22:40] <SpartanII117> *.PNG
[22:40] <saltedlight> sorry 2 things on me please: my english and my *nix knowledge... i'm a romanian and a 10 years m$win user
[22:41] <loa> Zvezdichko, it is realisation of openGL
[22:41] <Zvezdichko> what's the difference
[22:41] <SpartanII117> ubuntuforums.org
[22:41] <zcat[1]> hai
[22:42] <SpartanII117> or imagebucket.com
[22:42] <zcat[1]> anyone used wubi in vista.. how's the work out? same as xp?
[22:43] <loa> Zvezdichko, ldd /usr/local/bin/armagetronad
[22:43] <saltedlight> http://imajr.com/Screenshot-900161
[22:44] <loa> libGL it is mesa?
[22:44] <saltedlight> http://imajr.com/Screenshot-1-900162
[22:45] <Zvezdichko> emmm, not sure... don't worry, I think they will fix this bug. I suppose there are more critical bugs in Hardy which need more attention than our bugs with games
[22:45] <SpartanII117> what's the red x up top on the right>?
[22:45] <saltedlight> xchat
[22:46] <saltedlight> i just don'nt like pidgin :))
[22:46] <SpartanII117> ok, try "apt-get install emerald && emerald --replace"
[22:47] <SpartanII117> *sudo
[22:47] <saltedlight> do i need compiz?
[22:47] <SpartanII117> you have compiz
[22:47] <saltedlight> no
[22:47] <loa> Zvezdichko, add mesa please)
[22:47] <saltedlight> i hev not installed yet
[22:48] <SpartanII117> it's installed by default in hardy
[22:48] <saltedlight> is not
[22:48] <zcat[1]> .. and in gutsy
[22:48] <saltedlight> well... i see the pictures right?
[22:48] <Zvezdichko> loa: I will, I'm just waiting to hear a word from Pawel
[22:48] <saltedlight> *you see
[22:48] <SpartanII117> try the command compiz --replace to test it for me
[22:49] <SpartanII117> i see them. it's not full compiz fuzion
[22:50] <zcat[1]> I see shadow, looks like compiz is running
[22:50] <saltedlight> just the first line
[22:50] <saltedlight> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[22:51] <saltedlight> after enabling the nvidia driver i got some efects
[22:51] <saltedlight> those "normal" efects
[22:51] <zcat[1]> hold right-alt and scroll-wheel up and down a bit
[22:51] <saltedlight> opacify working...
[22:52] <zcat[1]> yeah, you have compiz
[22:52] <SpartanII117> yeah. so compiz is working. if you want more efects install compiz-config-settings-manager
[22:52] <saltedlight> ok then...
[22:52] <zcat[1]> compizconfig-settings-manager?
[22:52] <saltedlight> so is only the settings-manager missing?
[22:52] <SpartanII117> for compiz, do your window decorations work now?
[22:52] <saltedlight> il add it with add-remove thing... just to be sure :))
[22:53] <zcat[1]> compiz is running, you just need the config program so you can turn more plugins on
[22:53] <SpartanII117> and you want emerald as your window decorator (titlebars and all that.)
[22:54] <saltedlight> even if i config or if i don't there is the same problem... wen using efects titlebar disapear...
[22:54] <saltedlight> so i have to install compiz-settings-manager AND emerald?
[22:55] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: compizconfig-manager will let you turn on more effects.. emerald will give you much nicer windows decorations
[22:55] <Viperfang> saltedlight, put a check in "Window Decoration" under "Effects" in CompizConfig Settings Manager
[22:55] <Viperfang> You title bars will re appear
[22:55] <saltedlight> i do not have yet the compiz-settings manager
[22:55] <Viperfang> You will need to install it
[22:55] <saltedlight> i'l add it now... just a second please :D
[22:56] <Viperfang> I had this problem a couple of days ago... that sorted it
[22:56] <Viperfang> Any idea why I would get this error when trying to send a file over bluetooth? Method "CreateBluetoothSession" with signature "ssb" on interface "org.openobex.Manager" doesn't exist
[22:56] <saltedlight> shall i install the compiz icon too? just to have it full?
[22:57] <Viperfang> I didn't, doesnt mean it will do any harm though
[22:58] <saltedlight> ok just settings manager :))
[22:58] <saltedlight> done...
[22:58] <ankit_> I currently have a Wubi install of Ubuntu 7.10, and would like to upgrade to 8.04, but I know it's not going to work through Wubi... Any idea how long resizing an NTFS partition and using LVPM to move the install to it's own partition will take?
[22:59] <loa> Zvezdichko, yeah i checked it. Add mesa!
[23:00] <zcat[1]> I would have thought the usual upgrade procedure should still work with wubi..
[23:00] <zcat[1]> hmm.. perhaps not
[23:01] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Well it breaks from 7.04 to 7.10 with the update manager
[23:02] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now
[23:02] <saltedlight> i have tried the "normal" upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04... for me did not work... normal as in had ubuntu on it's own partition...
[23:02] <zcat[1]> well, I really don't know how to 'move' a wubi install to a normal partition either ...  it uses the iso live image to boot up and get ntfs3g access to the filesystem, right?
[23:03] <Viperfang> I think its the installer I used... gonna reinstall hardy again... back soon!
[23:04] <RainCT> DGMurdockIII: yes
[23:04] <zcat[1]> I'd do a regular install, then see if you can copy stuff over from /home, either from the new install using ntfs3g or from the old one, mounting the new one somewhere temporary
[23:04] <DGMurdockIII> how does one go to enable that in there app
[23:05] <ankit_> zcat[1]: You can use LVPM to do that.
[23:05] <majnoon> got "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped" when trying to do upgrade
[23:05] <ankit_> zcat[1]: I just wanted to know how long it would take to go through the whole ordeal... Last time I did it, it took forever, but I may have messed something up.
[23:06] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well, I fresh install and copy /home over would probably be fastest.. my upgrade took a few hours. How long the copying takes depends on how much stuff you have and how fast your drives are.
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now
[23:07] <DGMurdockIII> (18:02:47) (saltedlight) i have tried the "normal" upgrade from 7.10 to 8
[23:07]  * saltedlight just as a joke: today i have give up with m$win*cra%p... no more win&sh%%i%t
[23:07] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Yea, but I don't want to lose my configuration... Then again, it could be messy.
[23:08] <DGMurdockIII> dose ubuntu use pulse audio now how would u enale paulse audio in a media player for say
[23:08] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: Asking the same question over and over again in multiple channels is unlikely to endear you.
[23:08] <zcat[1]> ankit_: I think a wubi install is different enough that it's going to be very painful to transfer to a regular partition, but I don't really know
[23:09] <saltedlight> DGMurdockIII, i;m new to *nix... what is pulse? what it should look like?
[23:09] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: In answer to your questions: (1) Ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default, and (2) Apps using gstreamer should Just Work(tm).
[23:09] <zcat[1]> DGMurdockIII: pulse is a drop-in replacement for esd.. if the program things it's using esd (as most do) then it's already using pulse
[23:09] <majnoon> got "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped" when trying to do upgrade
[23:09] <ankit_> zcat[1]: The actual transfer process isn't that bad... the upgrade process is what I'm worried about.
[23:10] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Especially since my audio configuration is in a very delicate state right now... :P
[23:10] <majnoon> during libc6 (or close to it )
[23:10] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: "asoundconf set-pulseaudio" will cover the majority of the rest.
[23:10] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well, my upgrades went pretty smoothly.. they just took about two hours and quite a few prompts to replace or keep config files
[23:10] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: Ah.  I see in #ubuntu-bugs that your _real_ question is "how do I make VLC use pulseaudio".
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> yeah
[23:11] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: The answer is: upgrade.  The VLC package has been recently changed to use pulse by default.
[23:11] <ankit_> zcat[1]: I wouldn't mind a fresh install though... I think I've reached the one year "over-tinkered" stage in my install...
[23:11] <teamcobra> anyone care to suggest pop3/imap + smtp servers that work nicely w/ hardy? ;)
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> well we found there is a bug
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> and are looking for some docs
[23:11] <Itaku> how do i host domains?
[23:11] <zcat[1]> ankit_: well I think a fresh install will be much faster, even counting fixing up all the non-free stuff like drivers and flash and dvdcss
[23:12] <zcat[1]> teamcobra: we've always used postfix here.. no rational reason though, just !worksforme
[23:13] <teamcobra> cool, was thinking dovecot + postfix
[23:14] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Well I have a new nvidia card and an intel wireless card that works out of the box (I think... I don't really remember, haha), so that's not too bad... but I do have a lot of applications installed that are difficult to find, like some weird bluetooth remote stuff
[23:15] <zcat[1]> there's a way to get a list of all the installed packages.. dpkg --someswitch .. someone here might know it..
[23:15] <zcat[1]> that makes it easier to reinstall everything afterwards
[23:15] <Itaku> how do i host domains?
[23:15] <saltedlight> more questions: if i have compiz updated, etc... do i have to install emerald? and how do i do that? maybe i have to ask in another chanell? and wich one would be? thank's :D
[23:16] <zcat[1]> Itaku: bind9 ?
[23:16] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: emerald is optional.. you just get fairly plane, opaque titlebars without it.
[23:16] <zcat[1]> *plain
[23:17] <ankit_> zcat[1]: Now that I think of it, there's a lot that I have here... and other than "shiiiiinnnyyyy" what are some of the real reasons to upgrade?
[23:17] <saltedlight> well... i'm geting this bug... and one sayd that emerald will help...
[23:18] <Itaku> yeah but how do i put things in there like make a domain not taken and make it go to a certain ip?
[23:18] <ankit_> zcat[1]: While I say this, in all likelihood, I'll probably still go with the upgrade...
[23:18] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: did you find the window decoration option in compizconfig?
[23:18] <saltedlight> yes
[23:18] <katakaio> Sup everyone
[23:18] <saltedlight> but is still buggy
[23:18] <katakaio> Had an Ubuntu/Xubuntu question for you all
[23:19] <katakaio> I did a Hardy Ubuntu install, and I want to switch to Hardy Xubuntu without performing a clean install
[23:19] <katakaio> I know there were nice walkthroughs for Feisty and Gutsy on how to do this
[23:19] <katakaio> (i.e. go pure XFCE - no Gnome programs)
[23:19] <katakaio> Does anyone have experience with this in Hardy?
[23:20] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: well, emerald might help then... or it might make things worse :)
[23:21] <saltedlight> have you seen the pictures? just to understand what i want to fix...
[23:21] <zcat[1]> saltedlight: yeah, all of the window titlebars dissappear?
[23:21] <saltedlight> not all the time...
[23:22] <zcat[1]> emerald provides a different way of drawing those, which you might find more reliable
[23:22] <saltedlight> how is this added to compiz or what?
[23:23] <zcat[1]> just install the emerald package, then alt-F2 and run 'emerald --replace' and it will replace your current windows-decorator
[23:23] <saltedlight> i did compiz--replace and got some errors...
[23:24] <saltedlight> is there a paste bin or something?
[23:24] <zcat[1]> !pastebin
[23:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:24] <saltedlight> ths
[23:25] <saltedlight> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61682/
[23:26] <SpartanII117> go ahead and apt-get install xserver-xgl
[23:26] <majnoon> i think i fudged eveything up
[23:27] <saltedlight_> what is that supose to do? replace what?
[23:28] <SpartanII117> sodent actually replace anything, it just adds xgl support for compiz
[23:28] <SpartanII117> *doesn't
[23:28] <saltedlight_> is not enabled by default or what?
[23:28] <crdlb> no
[23:29] <crdlb> you do not want Xgl
[23:29] <saltedlight_> after that error i've installed the compiz config-manager
[23:29] <zcat[1]> in my experience, Xgl likely to make things worse..
[23:29] <zcat[1]> but at least it's easy enough to remove it again
[23:30] <crdlb> lets see, /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: Unable to parse XML metadata from file "ccp.xml"
[23:30] <zcat[1]> saltedlight_: have you tried emerald yet?
[23:30] <crdlb> that's the one you need to fix
[23:30] <crdlb> try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libcompizconfig0
[23:31] <saltedlight_> i do not know what i want :)) i just want to use some nice efect without haveing to run after the titlebars, or move mouse over and over again so the title bar apear again...
[23:31] <majnoon> ok here is myu problem i'm trying to upgrade ubuntu but it coredumped while installing libc6
[23:32] <saltedlight_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:32] <saltedlight_> Need to get 55.3kB of archives.
[23:32] <saltedlight_> shall i go ahead?
[23:32] <crdlb> yes
[23:32] <saltedlight_> ok
[23:32] <majnoon> get the followin :: Unpacking replacement perl-base ...
[23:32] <majnoon> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of perl-base:
[23:32] <majnoon>  perl-base depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1); however:
[23:32] <majnoon>   Package libc6 is not configured yet.
[23:32] <majnoon> dpkg: error processing perl-base (--configure):
[23:32] <majnoon>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:32] <majnoon> that just ONE example
[23:33] <saltedlight_> last line: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[23:33] <saltedlight_> shall i restart x?
[23:34] <majnoon> will "apt-get -f install" fix it when done ??
[23:38] <saltedlight_> ok... let's consider it done... i hope... i have done only the sudo compiz --replace the installed compiz-config manager then apt-get --reinstall install libcompizconfig0... if i see the bug again i'l make some nice screenshots :))
[23:39] <crdlb> saltedlight_: don't run compiz with sudo
[23:39] <saltedlight_> well... i did it :))
[23:40] <saltedlight_> what may be wrong with that? at least is working ok now :))
[23:41] <saltedlight_> or not :|
[23:41] <saltedlight_> just got the same bug again ~X(
[23:43] <saltedlight_> how do i install emerald? :-O
[23:44] <crdlb> saltedlight_: running any X software as root is extremely dangerous
[23:44] <crdlb> and it will use the wrong configuration, etc
[23:45] <saltedlight_> well... i'm just learning... never heard of this before...
[23:45] <crdlb> now you know :)
[23:45] <saltedlight_> anyway... how do i install emerald? :D
[23:45] <crdlb> I think that rendering glitch is an infamous nvidia bug
[23:45] <crdlb> sudo apt-get install emerald
[23:46] <saltedlight_> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:46] <saltedlight_> Need to get 342kB of archives.
[23:47] <saltedlight_> and now what? :))
[23:47] <saltedlight_> still have the f#$$$bug :))
[23:47] <zcat[1]> alt-F2
[23:47] <zcat[1]> emerald --replace
[23:47] <crdlb> saltedlight_: you press enter?
[23:47] <zcat[1]> (NO sudo)
[23:47] <saltedlight_> ok... is kinda red now... :))
[23:48] <zcat[1]> see if bug still happens
[23:48] <saltedlight_> and this got any settings manager?
[23:48] <zcat[1]> there's an emerald theme manager on the menu you can use to change the theme.. and some nice htemes you can install at gnomelook.org
[23:49] <saltedlight_> i think i'm gona miss that bug =))
[23:50] <zcat[1]> have seen it here a few times, but not a big problem.. some cards seem worse than others.
[23:51] <saltedlight_> one more thing i need to know...
[23:52] <saltedlight_> using win$ for about 2 years with this card... i've used 1280*1024*65(and some times *75)
[23:52] <saltedlight_> now is working at 50
[23:52] <saltedlight_> and no way to change it...
[23:52] <SpartanII117> you can change that in your xorg.conf
[23:53] <saltedlight_> and it will have efect?
[23:53] <zcat[1]> Not the easiest way..
[23:53] <SpartanII117> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:53] <zcat[1]> system > administration > nvidia settings
[23:53] <saltedlight_> got some tutorials i think...
[23:53] <SpartanII117> right
[23:53] <saltedlight_> but it will have efect?
[23:53] <SpartanII117> yes
[23:54] <SpartanII117> althoughh you dont want nvidia-settings to touch you xorg
[23:54] <saltedlight_> no nvidia settings
[23:54] <tanner> erm i cant log into my gmail :-\
[23:54] <SpartanII117> alt+f2 nvidia-settings
[23:54] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: well, it's what I've always used .. two screens here, 1152x768 at 75hz.. all done with nvidia config
[23:55] <saltedlight_> and on the ex restricted hardware wich is now hardware drivers is only enable/disable thing...
[23:55] <SpartanII117> everytime i've let it save to my xorg .conf it's wiped out my xserver on restart
[23:55] <saltedlight_> and no nvidia-settings
[23:56] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: hmmm.. OK. back it up first I guess :)
[23:56] <jimiridge> xorg.conf can be heck at times
[23:57] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: did you install drivers via package or nvidia binary installer?
[23:58] <SpartanII117> envy
[23:58] <zcat[1]> anyhow, xorg7.3 has bulletproof config.. it should work no matter how screwed up xorg.conf is..
[23:58] <saltedlight_> just enabled on hardware drivers
[23:58] <zcat[1]> SpartanII117: that would be your problem :)
[23:58] <saltedlight_> now i've installed it
[23:58] <SpartanII117> true
[23:59] <saltedlight_> ok... now is on the meniu :))
[23:59] <saltedlight_> *menu